ACERCA DE ESTE EPISODIO
Most investors don’t realize they can use their IRA to participate in private real estate, equity, and alternative investments — without losing tax advantages.
• Nate Dodson — Securities Attorney, CEO of CrowdFunding Lawyers, and serial entrepreneur whose firms have helped close $10+ billion in capital transactions. Nate has trained over 1,000 capital raisers and built multiple seven-figure firms. He will break down compliance essentials for private offerings, syndications, and fund structures — and explain how Wall Street’s move toward Main Street is reshaping opportunities for Family Offices and high-net-worth investors.
• Kaaren Hall — Founder & CEO of UDirect IRA Services, author of Self-Directed IRA Investing: A BiggerPockets Guide, and a nationally recognized expert on retirement account strategies. Kaaren will share how to unlock the full potential of self-directed IRAs, what the IRS allows (and prohibits), and how investors can confidently diversify beyond Wall Street.
What You’ll Learn:
• Which investments qualify for IRA funding (and which don’t)
• The step-by-step process for opening and funding a self-directed IRA
• How to avoid prohibited transactions and IRS penalties
• Compliance guardrails that protect investors and sponsors
• The growth of private offerings, syndications, and fund-to-fund structures
• Real-world examples of investors successfully deploying retirement funds
Whether you’re an investor seeking to maximize your retirement account or a sponsor raising capital the right way, this session gives you the roadmap to invest smarter and stay compliant.
MOSTRAR NOTAS 🔗
TRANSCRIPCIÓN 🔗
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Hey guys, Ryan Garland here, founder and chairman of Paradigm.
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Thank you very much for uh watching this uh episode.
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We're gonna we're gonna call it episodes because these webinars are just becoming more and more popular and we host them all the time, once a month at least.
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And as you guys know, I have some of the coolest people ever.
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And I always uh I always chase down the right talent for everyone to kind of get to know who's involved and what we do and ultimately the the sophistication to help you as an investor potentially position yourself for your future and ultimately know which decisions you need to make and ultimately just know what's out there.
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And so I uh I'm honored today to be uh to be uh two guest speakers, two people that I've known for a really long time, and I don't want to age us here.
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Really long.
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I know, sorry, but we have Karin Hall, which is the director of U Direct.
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She has actually worked with a lot of our clients for uh the IRAs and self-directed IRAs, and for some of our current network, you guys know that we have a lot of our investors invest into uh and use through uh their IRAs into our funds and into our investments.
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So I think it's really important because a lot of our clients don't know that you can use an IRA.
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And with the big blue, beautiful bill that just was released, there's a lot of uh information that I think everybody really needs to know.
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And Karin's gonna talk on that.
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So, Karen, thanks for having to be me uh being with us today.
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Thank you, Ryan.
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Appreciate it.
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And Nate, Nate is the like look.
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So let me just back up with Nate.
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Not only is Nate and I personal friends, we've got a chance to spend a lot of personal time together.
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He came out to Mechula and he's out in Dallas now, and he's got a wonderful family.
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He's kind of hell had a hell of a background, and he just is just one of the most sophisticated security attorneys in the space.
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And for those of you that are in my network, you guys know I try to surround myself around the town.
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And and you really want people to protect you and watch over you and make sure you disclose things properly and you're in you're in compliance.
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And Nate has been just an advocate for us, he's been my biggest fan when it comes to how we operate and protecting us and making sure we're doing things right and really opening up the floodgates of knowledge too, on how we should not only solicit, but how look at the market and which way the direction, which way the world's going.
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But he works with so many different operators and he sees things that do work and things that don't work, that it's really nice to kind of have him as a as a soundboard.
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So, Nate, thank you very much for joining us too today.
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Thank you.
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And I'm actually starting to blush.
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So I did say you look good again.
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I did say you're a handsome man.
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I was like, man, you look good every time I see you.
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I can't believe how good looking you are all the time.
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So we got to start this off.
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So I just want you guys, every everyone to know that Karin Hall used to actually have a voice for radio.
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Oh, yeah.
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So, Karin, give us just like your best voice before we start off.
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Okay.
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Uh, how about this?
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Smooth jazz 107.5, the oasis.
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I love it.
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How cool.
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Thank you for that.
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I actually want to listen to that later on this afternoon.
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Which which radio station was that?
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Oh man, that was uh the away, it was in Dallas, uh smooth jazz station, been in a few different markets, but that was when I was in my 20s, which was obviously just you know a scant moment ago.
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That was just a few months ago, right?
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Correct.
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I love it.
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Well, you know what?
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Let's start, let's start with you.
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I think this is really important.
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The majority of our clients, again, are utilizing IRAs and and don't know they can use their IRAs and kind of how the 401k rollovers work and so forth.
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So we're gonna give you the mic for a few minutes, see if we can add some value to our network and and uh kind of give us kind of an overview of what who you are, background, what you do, and then you can talk on the big, beautiful bill, please.
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Oh, I'd love to.
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You know, well, I mean, like we just pointed out, my initial or first career was in radio, which I did, you know, while I did other things, but 17 years I did radio and simultaneously I did other things.
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I got into real estate eventually as a realtor for one year and uh but property management, managing like big little buildings and then bigger buildings, you know, and it got some of that uh behind uh behind me and then uh moved into mortgages, mortgage loan servicing, loan origination, uh, became a real estate investor.
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So that was a lot of years too.
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And and then I got I got out of radio quite some time ago.
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And then in the Great Recession, like, ah, I can't, I can't do what I know.
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I need to do something new.
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And so I found a J O B like a job, and I worked for a self-directed IRA company for two years and then broke off and started Udirect IRA services in 2009.
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So now we have$1.2 billion under management.
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So that's that's a that's an under that's an undertaking, and congratulations.
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I think before we even started this, I had told you how impressed I was about you building awareness of your platform.
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And I think all of the content, which by the way, I think it's really important to just let everybody know you wrote a book.
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Oh, yeah, I did.
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Yeah, in fact, wait, I might actually have it right now in my hands.
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I think that's really cool.
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In fact, I want to read it because I think there's a lot I don't know.
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I'll be honest, I'm kind of a construction guru, you know.
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I don't know everything there is to know about that stuff.
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So I I actually want to read it.
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And so I want to be able to what we'll do is at the end of this, within the content, we'll go ahead and provide uh everyone's contact information where to get it.
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And I want you to be able to share that.
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So that's really important when you get to a certain you know level in business.
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If you're able to truly provide more information for people to really dive deep into it, that's huge.
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Yeah, and it's uh I did I published this book, co-published with bigger pockets, and so it's it's really a real estate investor's self-directed IRA book, you know, and it's a a guidebook, not a storybook.
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It's it's something like reference, like open it up, look in the glossary, find what you need to know, and one of those kind of books.
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So yeah.
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And that's and that's the marriage right there, right?
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You know, why why did we bring on one specific person to talk about IRAs?
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I just have seen you for years work with majority, seems like it's more real estate driven.
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And that clearly clears up a little bit of the the the question was you know, your background.
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Obviously, you were in the space.
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So naturally you're gonna have that type of clientele.
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Yeah, and and with the self-directed space, the assets you know in self-directed IRAs are like it like seems like about 90% real estate related.
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If it isn't buying the actual property, it's investing in a syndication.
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Nate, do you know what those are?
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Have you ever heard about that?
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Oh, maybe syndication, maybe more than 10 billion times.
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Yeah, yeah, sorry.
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Yeah, the expert in syndications over here.
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So no, so syndications are the number one asset class for self-directed IRAs, but it uh syndication is a is a contract.
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I mean, the underlying assets real estate.
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Uh you can buy the brick and mortar or you can make loans on real estate.
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So real estate is really tied to, I'd say, 90% of the assets that people self-direct into.
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Yeah, and that's really important just because you know, there's so different, so many different ways to invest the IRA into a real estate product, you know, through mortgage-backed securities and trusteed investing into multiple different funds, whether it's debt or equity funds.
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Uh, what are some other asset classes they can get into?
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Well, I mean, cryptocurrency, right?
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Uh that's that's really taking off.
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And, you know, and and so it's still the Wild West.
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It's not fiat currency, is it?
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It's not backed by anything, it's not like the Holland tulip, you know, craze.
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I think it's got a little bit more substance than that, or quite a bit more, but uh, but it's it's early days.
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So, but that is a huge asset class for self-directed investors.
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People really like it because you can take a little bit of money and just kind of play, you know, stick your foot in the water and see how it goes.
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So, and also we're seeing a lot of people in precious metals now, too, uh, with currency being a question.
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And and currency has always been based on gold, hasn't it?
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Yeah, and that just spiked a little bit earlier.
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If you if you can't, I know where Nate was gonna go.
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Go ahead, Nate.
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No, no, no.
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I've I've got a big question.
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Okay, because we talk about what can invest through the self-directed IRA, but what can't be invested through a self-directed IRA.
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I think that's just as equally important.
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Of course, real estate, you're good to go most of the time.
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Right.
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But what can't you do?
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Well, it's the list is so short.
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I mean, it'll take two seconds.
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It's life insurance contracts and collectibles, you know?
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So there you go.
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Life insurance, contracts, and collectibles.
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Well, that's easy.
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No, Nate, question for you.
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How many, how many of your syndicators and your clients and operators do you think are they targeting uh clients and investors with IRAs?
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Uh only about 110%.
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And so how much do you have any data?
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And I'm I know that we we haven't even talked about this, so I'm just we're kind of going off the top of our head.
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Do you have any information on, you know, let's say, for example, someone's raising five million dollars, what the percentages of clients and investors uh are that are utilizing IRAs?
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Well, I can tell you you're actually capped, you're only allowed to accept so much IRA qualified money.
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And you can't go beyond, you really shouldn't go beyond 25% of your deal from IRAs or the sponsors or you have a ton of red tape and problems to deal with.
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So it it kind of is one of those, yeah, get in, get in quick because it's a limited space that the IRAs can actually play.
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I have a question for you, Nate, if I can.
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So is it 25%, even if real estate is the underlying asset?
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I thought the 25% was out the window if the underlying asset was real estate.
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Am I right about that?
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But people aren't investing in real estate, they're investing into an entity that it's investing into real estate, and that's the differentiation.
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Okay.
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Little Gene Crowbridge, you know, knowledge there from the past.
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So, okay.
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Yeah, and it does matter what they're investing into.
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So, one comment that I want to make, you know, we work with a lot of syndicators.
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And I I know, Ryan, you're a great, uh, great guy open to making deals, making things happen.
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A big thing that people talk about nowadays, it's called a fund of fund, where uh someone else can put together a fund to invest into someone else's syndication.
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So kind of way that you can build a team together, but it's very similar that people think, oh, I'm just investing into real estate, but you're really not.
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You're investing into an LLC that is investing into an LLC that eventually owns real estate, and people just don't really think step by step through it.
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That's true.
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You know, do you do you know?
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Um how you know, let me ask you this.
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Are you how many of your requests to start a funds is real estate based, mate?
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Uh y it's a vast majority of what we do is real estate and real estate related.
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But yeah, I'll be perfectly frank.
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The reason that it's like that, you're doing real estate deals.
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You do many real estate deals, it's deal after deal after deal after deal.
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If I start a company, maybe I do a founder raise and it's limited who gets in, I get funded, and then I'm just focused on the company.
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I'm not trying to raise more capital.
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So a lot of what we talk about is real estate because that's where the deals are at.
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Yeah, and you know, and most people want to do SPV, special purpose vehicles for each project that they're involved in, and it's really just because every project has its own merits, you know.
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And it seems like that's where we've been successful is kind of streamlining one project that people can really dive into to get comfortable and invest into, really get to know it instead of a portfolio.
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We actually tried that with our first reggae, it was kind of a portfolio, and that was also when before the SEC really allowed you to do series with inside the reggae offerings, too, if I recall.
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So yeah, that was really good.
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And I really wanted to touch on that too.
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And thank you for bringing that up because I would have forgot.
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You know, the whole fund of fund that's really kind of that family office concept where you have someone who wants to manage money or can manage money or someone that's aligned with, let's just say, us as a as an operator, and say, hey, you know, I have a group of investors, I want to participate in it.
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I'm gonna open up a fund, I'm gonna put 100,000 or 200,000 of my own money into it.
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And then I have a group of friends and family or you know, some other investors we've done other business with, but I love your model and I want to get in.
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So then they manage a fund and then that fund invests into our fund.
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And that's what the fund is, right, Nate?
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Yeah, it is, but it's like nowadays, like the fund of funds is just kind of uh nomenclature.
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Like people will set up a fund to invest into your specific syndication, not a whole bunch of deals like a traditional mutual fund or a private equity fund.
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Uh, it's just let's be honest, some people are good at operating business, some people are good at raising capital.
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You're one of the outliers that can actually do both, but the guys that raise capital sometimes really shouldn't be doing real estate dealing.
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I totally agree there.
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We need to work with you and people like you to make sure that they don't get themselves or their investors in trouble.
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Yeah, no, I appreciate that.
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Thank you very much.
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All right, Karin, let's talk a little bit about the big beautiful bill.
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I think there's some content we want people to know about, and uh that has kind of been one of those things that we a lot of people are calling us going, hey, we need advice, and legally we can't, you know.
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So this has really given us the ability to kind of shed some light and utilize our resources to to paint the yellow brick road.
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So if you don't mind, where are we?
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Where are we going in the world?
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Yeah, you know, it's big, it's beautiful, and it's bringing in alternative assets, but not like self-directed IRAs.
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And so there's a lot of misconception about that.
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So the what's on the deck right now is that IR 401k is employer plans, 40401k, 403B, 457s, will be able to invest in alternative assets.
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With a self-directed IRA, you just go grab that asset.
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It won't be like that.
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So in order to invest in a lot of these alternative assets, and of course, we've got you know the experts here, uh, Nate, expert of the uh accredited investor.
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So you have to be accredited a lot of times to get into these deals, right?
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So, say for example, you're working at Home Depot and you've got a 401k and you want your 401k invested in alternative assets, well, you're not accredited, possibly.
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You know, you you might not be an accredited investor.
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And so you couldn't get into that deal directly.
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But what would happen is say, I don't know, say John Hancock is got is got the, you know, is is the plant administrator here, whatever the the big company there, they're going to create a fund of alternative assets.
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So it's that level where they're getting in, they're the alternative, or sorry, the they're the accredited investor.
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And now got you know, person from Home Depot invests in their fund, not in the asset directly.
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You see?
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And so that's how you get past the accredited investor portion uh to have people with the 401k work in a regular nine to five job investing in alternative assets in this way.
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Uh so there's one thing.
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But another thing that's incredibly important is that yes, this bill passed, it did, but there's still some time for oversight.
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So the Department of Labor said they're going, they're gonna take a 180-day look at the fiduciary responsibility, you know, because we've we've got companies, we have 401ks for our companies.
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So we're a trustee of that plan.
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We have a fiduciary duty.
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And if we allow our employees to invest in scary assets or dangerous assets, we could be liable.
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So the Department of Labor has taken a look at that.
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Maybe they're going to indemnify um, you know, plan trustees, like employers.
00:16:14.680 --> 00:16:20.360
Uh, so we'll see what they do, but it'll be six months out uh before the DOL is gonna sound off about their findings.
00:16:20.600 --> 00:16:20.920
Got it.
00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:25.720
Well, let me ask you this, because I kind of I love I'm actually gonna learn a lot with you here.
00:16:25.800 --> 00:16:30.120
And I thought I didn't know more a lot, but I I always I'm humble enough to say I don't know everything.
00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:33.160
Okay, so let's let's kind of let's dissect that a little bit.
00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:42.840
So if you have a 401k, let's say it's it's housed at like uh Fidelity or uh uh what's the other few other ones?
00:16:42.920 --> 00:16:46.360
Um Schwab, yeah, Charles Schwab, what have you.
00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:53.160
The operator, someone like me that managed the fund manager, we would have to submit that fund, right?
00:16:53.399 --> 00:17:02.120
To right, okay, to and get approved on that platform, yes, right, which also requires audited financials and and yearly auditors, right?
00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:04.519
Yeah, well, it's TBD, it's early days, right?
00:17:04.599 --> 00:17:06.039
It just passed about a month ago.
00:17:06.119 --> 00:17:10.839
So well, the standard process now for RIAs and so forth on some of the larger outfits is the same way.
00:17:10.920 --> 00:17:17.160
And if you have a reggae, let's say you're non-accredited, I don't think you're talking more of accredited, but even with reggaes, you have to have audited financials, Nate.
00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:18.680
If I'm correct me if I'm wrong, yes.
00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:30.919
Um, but you you know, if you're gonna go after the accredited space and that custodian, in essence, is operating as uh as the accredited, uh, yeah, so we would definitely need to be uh approved, is kind of where I think would be.
00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:36.039
I'm I mean, I may be wrong and you're right that you have to 180 days to have to figure this out, but I think that's probably the process that we want.
00:17:36.759 --> 00:17:46.119
They would vet us as a good operator and that we have the right practices in place and they would look at who our securities attorneys are and they would want to see our our uh our infrastructure.
00:17:46.439 --> 00:17:50.759
Absolutely, absolutely, because they're in a way they're representing you, aren't they?
00:17:50.839 --> 00:17:52.519
Out out to the out to the general public.
00:17:52.599 --> 00:17:58.199
So we'll see how this goes, but that that's a logical path because it's sort of the way that things are done already.
00:17:58.439 --> 00:18:14.759
You know, and I would say we've lost a lot of investors because they've wanted to use their 401ks and they couldn't because they were either still employed or a lot of FedEx, a lot of law enforcement, you know, um uh people in you know the uh medicine world, you know, so forth uh really got it had to pass on a lot of clients.
00:18:14.839 --> 00:18:16.839
And you know, they're like, well, then I'll call you when I retire.
00:18:16.919 --> 00:18:18.359
And I'm like, well, when's that?
00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:20.119
You know, I can't roll it over.
00:18:20.279 --> 00:18:23.319
So okay, any other uh anything else you want to touch on?
00:18:23.639 --> 00:18:33.319
Well, I think you know, that's the latest, but I just think briefly, a self-directed IRA, just to say they've been around 50 years, it's nothing new, and it's a simple process.
00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:36.839
After you've done your due diligence, you know, then that's the hard part.
00:18:36.919 --> 00:18:49.159
Then you open an account, takes 10 minutes, fund the account uh with either a rollover from a previous employer plan, IRA to IRA, you could transfer an IRA, or the third thing you could do is contribute from your own checking account.
00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:51.240
So open, fund it, and then invest.
00:18:51.319 --> 00:18:58.359
So you give us the docs, you know, and the IRA is the investor, not you, the person, but the IRA entity is the investor.
00:18:58.439 --> 00:19:01.000
And then we fund that deal from your IRA.
00:19:01.079 --> 00:19:03.720
All the proceeds go back to the IRA that owns it.
00:19:04.119 --> 00:19:14.519
And you just have to make sure that those proceed checks are always made payable to the IRA and not, ah, if they're ever accidentally made payable to you, just return that check to your depositor.
00:19:15.159 --> 00:19:16.519
Yeah, don't deposit it.
00:19:16.679 --> 00:19:20.359
Just nicely send it back, say, oh, little mistake here, let's fix this.
00:19:20.519 --> 00:19:27.399
Because if you put that check that belongs to your IRA in your own account, that could be, you know, it could lead to a prohibited transaction.
00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:29.480
So just that's an easy way to stay clear.
00:19:29.639 --> 00:19:31.319
Open fund invest, basically.
00:19:31.639 --> 00:19:32.919
So Rachel has a question.
00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:36.919
It says, Can you invest in an oil and gas through an SD IRA?
00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:41.959
You can, but uh that is it's a really interesting asset class.
00:19:42.119 --> 00:19:48.039
It's interesting because when you invest personally, like outside your IRA, you can get some massive tax breaks.
00:19:48.199 --> 00:19:52.039
And it can be great for you to do personally and not with qualified funds.
00:19:52.199 --> 00:20:02.119
Now, in qualified funds, a lot of times I know that some of the big uh oil and gas companies that are out there, they'll have a separate asset for self-directed IRA accounts.
00:20:02.199 --> 00:20:05.399
Maybe it'll be the land or it will be the business or something.
00:20:05.559 --> 00:20:10.679
It won't be the actual oil where you get the rights and the, you know, and those massive tax breaks.
00:20:10.839 --> 00:20:19.240
So there are different ways for self-directed IRA to invest in oil and gas that are different than you might, a different way than you might invest in personally.
00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:20.519
Yeah, and I think you're right.
00:20:20.679 --> 00:20:24.039
There's multiple ways to invest into the oil and gas industry overall.
00:20:24.199 --> 00:20:26.039
It just depends like on the nature of the structure.
00:20:26.199 --> 00:20:26.359
Great.
00:20:26.439 --> 00:20:27.159
I great.
00:20:27.319 --> 00:20:30.039
Is there anything else that we want to touch on with the big beautiful bill?
00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:33.319
No, I think I think that's how it applies to uh retirement.
00:20:33.399 --> 00:20:39.799
Now we had Secure Act 1.0 in 2019, Secure Act 2.0 at the very end of 2022.
00:20:39.959 --> 00:20:43.399
So the the federal government has really tweaked retirement plans.
00:20:43.720 --> 00:20:44.519
They're kind of done with that.
00:20:44.599 --> 00:20:46.359
So I'm very happy it's changed.
00:20:46.439 --> 00:20:47.720
We've had some changes.
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Um, so that's happened and now we're going forward.
00:20:50.919 --> 00:20:53.319
But this isn't going to change self-directed IRAs.
00:20:53.399 --> 00:20:55.000
It's going to change the employer plan.
00:20:55.319 --> 00:21:02.919
Yeah, you know, and it uh to be to be candid too, you know, a lot of our clients, especially if they've been with us for several years, you kind of get to know them on a personal level.
00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:16.759
And I would say, you know, a lot of the I would say institutional trading platforms, they're just not creating the returns to allow people to feel comfortable that they're going to be able to retire and have really the wealth that they need to enjoy their lives.
00:21:16.839 --> 00:21:19.799
Or even, you know, most people are trying to get worried about healthcare costs.
00:21:20.119 --> 00:21:21.159
It's true.
00:21:21.399 --> 00:21:25.480
Yeah, you can self-direct even an HSA, a health savings account.
00:21:25.959 --> 00:21:26.279
All right.
00:21:26.359 --> 00:21:29.879
Well, it's my turn to moderate because Ryan froze up.
00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:35.000
Uh so got a couple of questions for you, uh, myself.
00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:35.559
Okay.
00:21:35.720 --> 00:21:38.119
Uh, one from Anthony.
00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:44.119
You know, there's a lot of uh heavily discounted Roth conversions.
00:21:44.919 --> 00:21:50.519
Could you speak a little bit to what a Roth conversion from the IRA to the Roth actually really looks like?
00:21:50.679 --> 00:21:53.799
I mean, it's it's something that comes up so unbelievably often.
00:21:54.039 --> 00:21:56.119
Yeah, that heavily discounted really hits.
00:21:56.439 --> 00:21:57.639
Yeah, I don't know what that even means.
00:21:58.039 --> 00:21:58.439
Well, I do.
00:21:58.519 --> 00:22:01.480
I mean, if if you're going to say, like, oops, my, oh, guess what?
00:22:01.559 --> 00:22:04.759
My traditional, my asset, my traditional IRA really isn't worth that much.
00:22:04.839 --> 00:22:06.119
And then I'm gonna put it in a Roth.
00:22:06.359 --> 00:22:07.720
Oops, suddenly the value increased.
00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:08.599
Like, who knew?
00:22:08.679 --> 00:22:10.119
Uh, that looks like Roth fraud.
00:22:10.279 --> 00:22:11.240
So don't do that.
00:22:11.399 --> 00:22:22.759
But a typical normal, you know, traditional to Roth conversion is simply you open two accounts, a traditional and a Roth, you move the assets, could be cash or assets, you convert them from one account to the other.
00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:34.599
And the dollar value, the appraised value of the amount you converted, you're going to get a 1099 with that same number on it, and it will be taxable to you at your regular tax rate.
00:22:34.679 --> 00:22:38.599
So you can do that, pay the tax now and not pay the tax later.
00:22:38.679 --> 00:22:41.799
So it could be doing your retired self a favor today.
00:22:42.359 --> 00:22:42.679
Okay.
00:22:43.000 --> 00:22:44.599
So some more questions for you.
00:22:44.839 --> 00:22:46.839
Ryan, it it's nice to see you here.
00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:48.279
Like, we don't really need you.
00:22:48.679 --> 00:22:51.799
I'd like to say I had to use a restroom break, but that really wasn't the case.
00:22:51.959 --> 00:22:52.279
No.
00:22:53.159 --> 00:22:53.639
All right.
00:22:53.720 --> 00:23:07.639
I I know it's so confusing for both investors and operators, like the investment process with an IRA because it's like, oh, I invested.
00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:10.759
Well, you did you invest or did the custodian invest?
00:23:11.159 --> 00:23:13.799
You fill out the paperwork, do I fill out the paperwork?
00:23:13.959 --> 00:23:16.679
And there's just so much confusion around this.
00:23:16.839 --> 00:23:17.079
Yeah.
00:23:17.399 --> 00:23:18.919
Can you clear the air a little bit?
00:23:19.159 --> 00:23:25.399
Oh, I sure sure, but for us, we have people vest as you know, non-trust custodial IRA.
00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:31.559
So actually the account holder is signing the docs, you know, in in in representing their IRA.
00:23:31.720 --> 00:23:34.439
So that makes things a little bit actually quite a bit easier.
00:23:34.519 --> 00:23:35.799
So that that's nice.
00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:40.119
Um, but then uh I IRAs aren't difficult.
00:23:40.279 --> 00:23:43.959
Once you get the docs, you've you I mean it really can be very, very simple.
00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:45.720
Where do you see a snag?
00:23:47.159 --> 00:23:56.119
Uh everywhere along the way because you look at like an investment document, and then there's the line that says investor, sign here.
00:23:56.439 --> 00:23:57.000
Oh, okay.
00:23:57.240 --> 00:23:58.439
So I sign it.
00:23:58.519 --> 00:23:58.679
Yeah.
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Custodian sign it.
00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:01.559
I know they're sending in the money.
00:24:01.639 --> 00:24:02.679
I'm not sending in the money.
00:24:02.759 --> 00:24:05.159
So it just creates so much havoc.
00:24:05.319 --> 00:24:10.519
I know there's even some medallion, and I don't even understand this medallion, but there's even a stamp there.
00:24:10.759 --> 00:24:11.559
Yeah, I know.
00:24:11.720 --> 00:24:20.599
Well, I think so, so if if it says FBO, so if it's like Nate or if it's the custodian for the benefit of Nate Dodson's IRA, the custodian's going to sign that.
00:24:20.759 --> 00:24:23.319
The way we vest is that the account holder can sign.
00:24:23.399 --> 00:24:30.919
Now, the the the medallion signatures, and if you don't know what that is, it's sort of like uh like a notary stamp that goes on the transfer document.
00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:34.119
And typically that is for moving large amounts of cash.
00:24:34.279 --> 00:24:41.720
It's it's kind of an old-fashioned sort of thing, and but still sometimes it's required to transfer from one IRA to another.
00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:44.039
That's when a medallion stamp comes into place.
00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:45.319
Sometimes that happens.
00:24:45.399 --> 00:24:48.199
You can usually get a medallion stamp at a bank if you need one.
00:24:48.759 --> 00:24:54.919
So, what you're really saying is if anybody asks for the medallion stamp, they are just old-fashioned.
00:24:55.480 --> 00:25:00.519
And they probably should get with the times talk to someone like yourself.
00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:02.679
Well, it's about security, you know, it is.
00:25:02.759 --> 00:25:11.559
And so every institution or every company is gonna have its own uh you know guidelines, their own security measures, or how they want to do things, or their procedures.
00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:16.599
And so uh medallion stamp is one of those procedures, or it could be.
00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:18.839
You know, I got a question, Karen, Karin.
00:25:18.919 --> 00:25:20.839
We're we're gonna pick on you, I think, the whole time here.
00:25:21.079 --> 00:25:21.319
Okay.
00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:25.720
So one of our uh one of our sticky uh points has always been processing.
00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:39.720
You know, that's one of the reasons why we reached out to you, um, is really trying to uh just make it smoother for the client because really there's a lot of information and content that don't they don't understand and they really don't know where to start, right?
00:25:39.959 --> 00:25:47.079
So what would be let's talk about the process with you if let's say someone's gonna move into a self-directed, open up an account with you.
00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:48.199
What's the process?
00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:52.199
And then what's your um let's uh so there's a couple couple questions.
00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:53.399
What's the process?
00:25:53.639 --> 00:26:06.439
And then what would be the engagement letter letter uh level with someone like us as far as we refer the client to you, uh investor uh you know opens up an account and then they want to invest into one of our funds.
00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:08.839
Kind of what's the standard protocol for you guys?
00:26:09.159 --> 00:26:11.559
Well, I it couldn't be it could hardly be easier.
00:26:11.639 --> 00:26:15.559
Do you could just you know do an email introduction if we just want to go bare bones?
00:26:15.639 --> 00:26:19.079
You could just do an email to introduction, and then from then we pick it up.
00:26:19.159 --> 00:26:26.119
We offer always a free consultation with that account holder, that that that investor, and we want to talk to them about well, tell us about the asset.
00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:29.559
What are you investing in, and tell us more about who owns the asset?
00:26:29.799 --> 00:26:31.799
Because there are rules that we haven't covered yet.
00:26:31.879 --> 00:26:33.480
They're called it's what you avoid.
00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:35.240
It's not what you do, it's what you don't do.
00:26:35.319 --> 00:26:37.000
They're called prohibited transactions.
00:26:37.159 --> 00:26:39.480
So we're gonna listen like, hey, is this prohibited?
00:26:39.639 --> 00:26:43.159
Um, so you don't have self-dealing, so your IRA doesn't invest in asset.
00:26:43.240 --> 00:26:45.159
You own, you know, they're prohibited transactions.
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:49.319
So we're gonna listen to the investor, they're gonna tell us about their deal.
00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:51.159
And then we want to answer all their questions.
00:26:51.319 --> 00:26:58.039
Maybe they don't understand, uh I don't know, maybe how to do this or the tax deductibility or something like that.
00:26:58.279 --> 00:27:03.879
Now, of course, we're not tax professionals, but we can give general, you know, guidance on on uh how that works.
00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:10.519
So very simple, you open an account, we have a digital form, and you fill it out, just so easy.
00:27:10.679 --> 00:27:15.559
Uh, you move the money in, and we have staff that's going to really hold your hand through that process.
00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:22.119
So while the money, while you're waiting, because it can take one to two weeks for another custodian, you know, to move that money.
00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:27.240
And so while we're waiting, then we're getting the documentation from the asset sponsor.
00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:28.519
We're going to review it.
00:27:28.599 --> 00:27:31.879
And typically a lot of this is the same, right, Nate?
00:27:31.959 --> 00:27:35.879
And when you're looking at a syndication, there's a certain structure that you're looking at.
00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:38.279
So it's not like each one's vastly different.
00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:43.639
So it's not that complex for us to look at it and know what needs to go on there.
00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:49.720
And so we hold the investor's hand there too, to make sure their docs have the right information in the right place.
00:27:49.959 --> 00:27:56.119
And then we also want to take a look and make sure that the investor is actually receiving an asset in exchange for their money.
00:27:56.199 --> 00:27:57.879
It's just something that we like to do.
00:27:58.039 --> 00:28:06.199
But 100% of the responsibility is on the investor, the account holder, uh, to make sure they don't commit a prohibited transaction and to make sure that they're doing it right.
00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:09.079
But we're here just to guide people uh that whole way.
00:28:09.159 --> 00:28:11.399
So that that's basically how it goes, soup to nuts.
00:28:11.639 --> 00:28:19.399
Yeah, and what we do is we typically will send over the operating agreement, subscription agreement, and they will take a look at it, read it, get to know it.
00:28:19.480 --> 00:28:29.720
And then obviously, because the IRA account is making the investment, we have to make sure we get an account number from you guys, we put it on the document, we send it out for signature, and then we send it to you.
00:28:29.799 --> 00:28:35.000
So, really, and your team, so really are you signing it or are the investor signing?
00:28:35.399 --> 00:28:41.639
Investor signs it, but it's really signing in the behalf of the non-trust custodial IRA, right?
00:28:41.879 --> 00:28:42.759
Perfect, got it.
00:28:42.919 --> 00:28:48.439
So, as long as we have the account number on there, uh, that's really important, and the name of the custodian, correct?
00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:49.000
That's right.
00:28:49.399 --> 00:28:49.720
That's right.
00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:55.319
And we'll give you every everything, and it won't be a massive mystery at all because it's it's it's very cut and dry.
00:28:55.399 --> 00:28:57.079
We do this a hundred times a day at least.
00:28:57.159 --> 00:28:59.639
So yeah, I know you guys are a billion dollars in a management.
00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:01.480
I can only imagine at least that a day.
00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:03.559
So do you have any questions?
00:29:03.879 --> 00:29:05.559
Uh yeah, I I've got a question.
00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:07.480
Ron's got the same question.
00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:11.159
Now I made my investment, I gotta get my money back.
00:29:11.399 --> 00:29:11.799
Yeah.
00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:14.679
What does it look like working with you?
00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:17.559
Can't the syndication just write me a check?
00:29:17.639 --> 00:29:19.879
Or like what does that process look like?
00:29:19.959 --> 00:29:21.720
Because all of a sudden you're in the middle.
00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:22.279
Right.
00:29:22.439 --> 00:29:22.679
Okay.
00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:25.159
So someone maybe they invest in this in a syndication.
00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:27.959
They want to leave, yeah, like an early exit, you mean?
00:29:28.679 --> 00:29:30.359
Yeah, yeah.
00:29:30.439 --> 00:29:36.359
So we'll ask them to talk to their syndicator, talk to their asset sponsor, and tell them what their needs are.
00:29:36.439 --> 00:29:41.240
Because sometimes there is an opportunity for someone to get out of a deal early.
00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:48.119
Uh, and so that's something that an investor would negotiate with the actual company they invested with.
00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:52.599
And then that company would move the money into the IRA if, you know, once they reach that agreement.
00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:53.879
That's how that would work.
00:29:54.199 --> 00:29:55.159
Yeah, and that's true.
00:29:55.399 --> 00:29:57.879
We get that all the time, especially when people go through hardship, you know.
00:29:58.759 --> 00:30:00.359
We get that quite a bit, believe it or not.
00:30:00.439 --> 00:30:04.199
You know, there's sometimes we have the ability to do it, and then sometimes we really just don't.
00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:07.639
It just depends on the nature of the project and where it's at, and so forth.
00:30:07.959 --> 00:30:09.959
You bring up a really huge point.
00:30:10.039 --> 00:30:12.039
Uh, it really triggers something for me to say.
00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:22.279
And that is sometimes when people invest in uh in syndications, now tell me what you think, but they don't necessarily understand that they're there's no promise to repay that.
00:30:22.439 --> 00:30:32.519
And what they're really doing as an investor is like partnering in a way with that asset sponsor, like, hey, we're both going to try to make this work, we're gonna do our very best, but we're sharing the risk.
00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:34.359
Yeah, and it's we say the same thing.
00:30:34.439 --> 00:30:36.359
We're all in the same boat with the same row.
00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:40.519
We're just the one with the strong back and doing all the heavy lift to try to get the deal done.
00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:45.480
And that's exactly I love the way you said that because it really that's why they call them limited partners.
00:30:45.639 --> 00:30:48.439
You are a partner, you know, in the investment.
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:49.480
So it's it's true.
00:30:49.559 --> 00:31:00.119
And then, you know, again, the nature of the investment too, a lot of the times in real estate, depending on the nature of it, uh, and I'm gonna talk really kind of our side because we don't want to construction, right?
00:31:00.199 --> 00:31:07.559
We have to build the thing, we have to have a capital event, whether we finish it, refinance it, or sell it, uh, we really can't re return capital.
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:21.959
So it's so important that clients, investors really know what they're getting themselves into and when they part ways, try to stick with the the length of the project, but also know, hey, the world kind of kicks us in the teeth with tariffs and other things.
00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:24.119
You know, sometimes it takes longer to build or develop.
00:31:24.199 --> 00:31:25.079
And we've had that too.
00:31:25.159 --> 00:31:26.599
You know, I mean, we've had a lot of ups and downs.
00:31:26.679 --> 00:31:27.959
And hey, you know the stories, man.
00:31:28.039 --> 00:31:29.319
You're probably getting it from everybody.
00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:36.919
Everybody across the country has issues, and it's hard to get materials and you know, certain uh electrical components, as an example, has been kind of a pain in the butt.
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:39.000
Garage doors for us has been a pain in the butt.
00:31:39.079 --> 00:31:43.639
You know, it's just one of those things that for big to make big money, it's not easy.
00:31:43.879 --> 00:31:45.720
Somebody always tells you to fight all the way through.
00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:50.919
You know, we're just then you got the black swans, like all of a sudden rates go up 4,000% or something like that.
00:31:51.079 --> 00:32:01.159
And you didn't really plan for we've seen a lot of uh even today, we have uh IRA account holders, investors who have invested in syndications and they got a capital call.
00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:04.679
And some of them don't understand why they would get a capital call.
00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:07.480
So it's just so important to understand your asset before you invest.
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:10.039
And that's because it's like, no, you're supposed to pay me.
00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:11.639
I don't pay you, you pay me.
00:32:11.799 --> 00:32:13.959
And but you know, but you're sharing that risk.
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:20.679
Well, we, you know, we need to do this, and we, you know, because of the rates went up, we had to reinstate our debt at a higher rate.
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:22.759
And so now we've got a different cash flow.
00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:26.759
And you know, and then you explain it, we're all gonna win, but we all have to row together.
00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:29.079
I think that that's that that's what you say, right?
00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:29.959
Yeah, oh yeah.
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:37.399
Well, and in probably in some cases more than that, you know, we really the idea is to understand really kind of those the sticking points of the project.
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:42.919
Um, and then, you know, for again, I'm just kind of speaking for us, you know, with the sticking points of the project, what are the main hurdles?
00:32:43.159 --> 00:32:48.439
I think with our experience now, we really can articulate it in a way that pretty much anybody can understand our hurdles, right?
00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:53.319
And and that's one of the things too, is we've had people where they're like, well, we really didn't know what we're getting ourselves into.
00:32:53.399 --> 00:32:55.959
We're like, okay, we don't want people to feel that way, you know.
00:32:56.119 --> 00:33:11.319
So we're spending more time doing these types of things where we're building the content, allowing everybody to take as long time as they want to watch videos, you know, read the documents, ask questions from either anybody on my team or myself, you know, and really kind of give them an overview.
00:33:11.399 --> 00:33:19.079
And one of what's what I think helps, and I I say it respectfully, a lot of times I'd like to get to know my investors and kind of have they've invested in something like this before.
00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:20.919
How you know, what do you do for a living?
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:27.639
It kind of gives me an idea where they are and knowledge, uh, so I can then touch on things they may not know or what they should know.
00:33:28.679 --> 00:33:30.839
Yeah, know your investor is huge, isn't it?
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:31.480
Mm-hmm.
00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:40.119
And you know, when you have good, when you have a good, you know, one thing I've realized is that when you communicate well and you're transparent, it's okay when you have hardships.
00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:42.679
A lot of people just they they're they're the ride to wave with you.
00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:43.639
They're totally okay.
00:33:43.879 --> 00:33:48.279
It's the non-communicative holding things back that really creates a problem, right?
00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:56.839
So when you when you really do open up to your clients and kind of give them everything to consider on the front end, you can call them down the road and say, hey, are you sitting down or standing up?
00:33:57.639 --> 00:33:58.759
Sit down for this one.
00:33:58.919 --> 00:34:01.399
But hopefully we have a solution, you know.
00:34:01.639 --> 00:34:06.359
Yeah, you know, because some people, it's like their pride, they don't want to say we're having a problem.
00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:14.440
And that's when you that's when uh an asset sponsor like you, I mean, you know, you like you need to be a humble guy because you've got to say, you know what, the world isn't perfect.
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:15.400
And here's an example.
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:20.840
Like you said, are you sitting standing up or sitting down, you know, and you've got to think, but we're gonna get through this, and this is how.
00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:24.519
And you you show them a plan, a plan forward, and like everybody gets it.
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:31.079
It's you what what hurts is when someone's afraid to say that there's a problem instead of just, hey, you know, life happened, here we go.
00:34:31.240 --> 00:34:35.400
So when people are afraid to tell you there's a problem, you need to be knocking on that door as an investor.
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:38.360
Like, look, I know there are problems, just tell me what it is, right?
00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:50.120
Yeah, I could speak on this just a little bit because of so much of what I've seen in the syndication and frankly, just economic world, macroeconomics.
00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:58.760
It's been tough for a lot of syndicators over the past couple of years with costs going up, inflation, interest rates going up.
00:34:59.240 --> 00:35:05.240
But one of the toughest things that people don't recognize is the stock market.
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:09.240
It's been going gangbusters for the past few years.
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:13.240
That's been a lot of where to invest, but now it's like this big bubble.
00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:20.360
And there's such a huge risk of that bubble just bursting.
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:24.120
I mean, you talked about the Great Recession 2008, 2009.
00:35:24.200 --> 00:35:26.840
I was in the epicenter of Las Vegas at the time.
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:31.960
These things happen, and when they happen, they happen fast.
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:49.000
Yeah, and so it is really right now that you know, if you're heavily in the stock market, investing into those hard assets that regardless of what happens, there's value in the real estate.
00:35:49.160 --> 00:35:53.800
There's that perfect saying or that traditional saying, there's never going to be more of it.
00:35:54.200 --> 00:35:55.480
Yeah, that's so true.
00:35:55.800 --> 00:36:03.720
So I do think over this next year, I mean, it's been a tough time, but interest rates are starting to come down.
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:09.720
The government is at least trying to stabilize pricing to help.
00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:17.000
But also, we're going to start, and it's already beginning, having an outflow from the stock market into real estate.
00:36:17.240 --> 00:36:25.000
So the gains are starting to well, just frankly, look nicer where the real estate markets are going.
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:28.039
So I just kind of want to give that more macroeconomic.
00:36:28.200 --> 00:36:29.720
Let's be honest about what's going on.
00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:32.039
You know, Nate, there's so much truth to that.
00:36:32.200 --> 00:36:41.480
Um, I would agree with you when you watch Warren Buffett, you know, pull$278 billion out of the stock market, put it into a put it into a uh uh, what was it?
00:36:41.640 --> 00:36:53.800
He put it into, I think put it in a JP Morgan, he put it into some sort of uh bank account, in essence, you know, um to just he owns more of the treasury bills than the Federal Reserve does.
00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:54.440
Oh yeah.
00:36:54.600 --> 00:36:56.680
Like he's pulling out, yeah.
00:36:56.760 --> 00:37:04.360
And but did you see what was it, five or eight hundred million dollars in DR Horton and Lenar, and he went wall in.
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:09.160
You know, he he for he went into a cash position for a very long time, and he just started watching.
00:37:09.240 --> 00:37:14.280
He goes, All right, I'll go ahead and dump 800 million dollars into you know residential builders.
00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:15.720
I thought that was pretty impressive.
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:19.240
And if you look at those builders, you it and that was what I think that's the key.
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:21.320
Like what where is where was the capital going?
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:25.079
That means they're saying something we're not necessarily seeing, which is great to kind of keep an eye on that.
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:32.280
But they invested into two builders that I think are two kind of different worlds, and that was a big eye-opener for me.
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:42.200
Lenar, I would say, is probably a higher end builder, and most times the more primary markets they love kind of an upper class, larger lot, a little higher dollar amount price point.
00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:43.480
And then you have D.R.
00:37:43.640 --> 00:37:46.120
Horton, which is a little bit more on the attainable side.
00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:51.240
So the fact that he just went into residential uh all the way through was really impressive for me.
00:37:51.320 --> 00:37:54.760
And that's that's I think that's a testament to what you just said, you know, the stock market.
00:37:54.840 --> 00:38:01.079
And then we have clients too that are just so tired of the volatility and the anxiety they get with the with the market going up and down.
00:38:01.240 --> 00:38:05.240
People are liquidating now, going, I see it, I feel it, I've been doing this for 20, 30 years.
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:10.519
I need to get into something that's stable, that has a three, four-year run, and I just don't have to worry about it, you know.
00:38:10.600 --> 00:38:15.400
But I get some I get some cash flow, maybe they diversify into some accumulation and equity play.
00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:18.760
They get some cash flow, they try not to lock up their capital too long.
00:38:18.920 --> 00:38:22.039
You know, that type of stuff has been kind of the nature of our conversations lately.
00:38:22.200 --> 00:38:24.120
So I really appreciate you talking on that.
00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:28.840
Yeah, I mean, after out of the recession, didn't home builders stop building for about 10 years?
00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:33.160
Isn't there still like a deficit that that has never been brought level?
00:38:33.240 --> 00:38:35.880
I mean, they they just haven't built enough houses.
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:37.480
So I could really see that.
00:38:37.640 --> 00:38:45.000
And and uh there's definitely supply and demand and throw in there people, probably like all of us who have houses that are at 2.75%.
00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:45.880
Am I right?
00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:48.039
And so would we ever sell that house?
00:38:48.200 --> 00:38:49.079
No, we wouldn't.
00:38:49.240 --> 00:38:51.000
So it it locks up that inventory.
00:38:51.160 --> 00:38:54.039
So we we have to build that that makes a lot of sense to me.
00:38:54.280 --> 00:38:55.000
You nailed it.
00:38:55.079 --> 00:39:00.440
All right, Nate, since we uh we kind of stole this for the last 30 minutes, I really wanted everyone to get to know you more.
00:39:00.600 --> 00:39:04.200
So, and I and I and if you don't mind, let's go a little bit about your background.
00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:17.079
I think what I love about you the most is not only my personal relationship with you, and I can tee off on that for hours, but I love the fact that you acquired a law firm and that a lot of your old attorneys actually came and now work with you, that you've had work with you in the past.
00:39:17.240 --> 00:39:22.840
And so, you know, I think that's a niche in itself that a lot of people don't understand because that's really kind of a private equity play.
00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:24.200
I mean, you are that mind.
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:28.200
And then you obviously have the polish in regards to the security side.
00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:35.559
So I I just want everyone to really get to know you a little more because I would recommend you, and I already do, as you know, I send as many people as I can your way.
00:39:35.720 --> 00:39:50.360
But anybody who's watching this that has thought about opening their first fund or it's a 10th fund or it's a unique structure that you just need other people as an advisor to kind of guide you in the right direction and even bring that insight about the market and will it be successful?
00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:51.720
You know, and I think that's really important.
00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:54.200
So, Nate, if you mind, give us a little more about your background.
00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:58.440
I I will get do the humble brag as good as I can.
00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:02.600
But uh no, I I'm not just like that traditional attorney.
00:40:02.680 --> 00:40:03.880
I'm not just out there.
00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:09.320
I I've honestly actually never even been to court and like argued a motion, it's just not what I do.
00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:21.320
I used to be a stockbroker, just selling investments just like Ryan, just like a lot of the syndicators out there going and hey, what makes sense?
00:40:21.640 --> 00:40:24.039
How do you move money around?
00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:29.720
One of the first lessons I got as a little kid learning how to read on the Wall Street Journal.
00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:34.680
If you want to make the money, you got to learn to work with the money, how to invest the money.
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:39.960
So I became a stockbroker after a little while, and then uh we don't need Ryan.
00:40:40.680 --> 00:40:45.559
So eventually I end up uh going into law school.
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:48.920
It was actually after the uh internet bubble popped.
00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:52.360
So have a lot of experience with bubbles popping.
00:40:52.600 --> 00:41:00.600
Ended up becoming an attorney, went right back to doing the investing, but on this side, it's on the representative side.
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:05.559
I was there in uh Las Vegas in 2008, and you know what?
00:41:05.640 --> 00:41:07.880
It was the other bubble popping.
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:10.280
Now this was real estate, but you know what?
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:17.880
There were more millionaires made out of that recession than ever before.
00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:20.519
Yeah, so it's like that's huge, but you know what?
00:41:20.600 --> 00:41:29.320
I'm also a big beneficiary of that because then I started syndicating with partners, and we acquired 4,000 multifamily units over a matter of four years.
00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:34.519
I don't even know, Ryan, if you knew this, but uh I knew you were doing it a little bit, but I didn't know you were to that level.
00:41:34.600 --> 00:41:35.000
That's huge.
00:41:35.240 --> 00:41:45.000
Oh, talk the talk, walk the walk, and then I started buying law firms, and uh actually I have my fifth law firm is closing this week.
00:41:45.240 --> 00:41:47.000
Congratulations! How cool!
00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:48.920
Entrepreneur through and through.
00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:52.840
And I I just I love to help people reach their goals.
00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:59.640
I love business, the strategy, the creativity, and how to reach really the new heights.
00:42:00.680 --> 00:42:09.640
And I'm here to help you and everybody else that doesn't understand Ubit and whatever else comes to the table, because I think that's one of the most things.
00:42:10.120 --> 00:42:11.960
I get asked about that the most.
00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:12.920
The most.
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:14.360
Nate, you know what?
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:15.559
So let's talk.
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:16.920
I got a couple questions for you.
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:22.920
So, one someone that's in the real estate space, like an operator like me, let's say it's their first fund.
00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:29.800
What is the hardest, what's one of the hardest things to overcome uh for a first-time fund manager?
00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:37.640
I'll give you the two worst things in the world is if you open up your own fund, you don't have a track record.
00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:38.760
Yeah, yeah.
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:44.280
You're raising capital, you're telling a good story, here's what I plan to do.
00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:47.240
But if the proof is in the pudding, they don't have that.
00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:59.800
And that's really where it's easier for people that are just getting started to do more of a fund of funds, meaning working with experienced, accomplished operators.
00:42:59.960 --> 00:43:01.960
But also, you bring up a fund.
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:11.320
A fund traditionally means I can't even tell you what I'm going to invest into because it's into a bucket of money that I'm gonna invest someplace.
00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:13.400
That's way more difficult.
00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:19.240
And frankly, investors they don't like it quite as much because they don't know where the money is going.
00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:32.600
They're not looking at the land, the demographics, what's getting built there, really able to judge the operator beyond just the hey, I'm gonna raise some money and invest into real estate.
00:43:33.240 --> 00:43:45.000
So between the unknown of I don't know what to invest into, and the I don't have a track record either, those are the biggest hurdles of opening up a fund.
00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:45.800
And you know what?
00:43:45.880 --> 00:44:03.000
To be perfectly honest, that's where both of those biggest hurdles get solved by working with current operators, the guys that have already been there, the guys that can say, This is the property, this is the deal that we're working on, this is my track record.
00:44:03.160 --> 00:44:14.760
And then as a new fund manager, you can borrow that credibility because it's not really on you to make the money, it's on these guys to make the money.
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:16.280
Right, totally agree.
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:20.600
Okay, so let's let's talk about, let's say somebody wants to open up a fund.
00:44:20.680 --> 00:44:22.039
What's what's the process?
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:24.920
We uh let's say I have a friend I want to introduce to you.
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:29.480
Obviously, we email you, or they contact you guys, or call your call your main line.
00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:32.920
What's the first step, if you will, besides an engagement letter?
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:35.559
We all know that happens, but let's talk about what you what do you do?
00:44:35.640 --> 00:44:36.200
Is there a consultant?
00:44:36.280 --> 00:44:41.640
Is there one is like a consultant, an hour consulting, kind of getting to know who they are and what they're trying to accomplish?
00:44:42.200 --> 00:44:51.559
You know, we're unique, so I'm gonna speak about us and then them being all the other attorneys that are out there.
00:44:51.720 --> 00:44:56.600
You know, we expect people to just come to the table with a napkin and a dream.
00:44:56.840 --> 00:44:59.960
What are you trying to accomplish?
00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:19.320
And then we take the time to back into not just what's legal, but the reality of what's going to sell, what are investors into, what terms are expected in the market nowadays because that always shifts and changes.
00:45:19.640 --> 00:45:30.120
So great to work with the experienced guys, they know what they're doing, but the new fund operators that I haven't really done this for a long time.
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:37.800
That's a lot of where we take them by the hand, spend that time going through more of a consultative process.
00:45:38.200 --> 00:45:43.160
And it's not until somebody says, Okay, I get it, I understand.
00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:45.480
Here's the deal, here's the terms.
00:45:45.720 --> 00:45:47.160
Now let's go.
00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:49.480
And at that point, we get everything together.
00:45:49.640 --> 00:45:53.079
It's a couple of weeks because we know what we're doing, and this is all that we do.
00:45:53.240 --> 00:45:53.480
Yep.
00:45:53.720 --> 00:46:03.079
Then you have a great disclosure package, you kind of think all the way through and let everybody know the risks, which is really important that people know what the risks are before they make the decision to invest.
00:46:03.240 --> 00:46:04.760
So I that's one of the things I love about you.
00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:10.600
And I think that's where a lot of operators, including myself, when I first started going, hold on, you put all these risks in there, you don't want to scare people away.
00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:18.519
But there is, there is, there's so much truth to just full disclosure and explaining to people what they're getting themselves into.
00:46:18.600 --> 00:46:19.880
And that's what I love about you guys.
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:29.800
And the more I season myself, and not to say I have this gray hair here, but the more I season myself in the space, the more I actually truly enjoy people believing in my dream.
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:38.680
So it's more like if I can articulate what we're getting ourselves into as best I can, and someone sees it and feels it excited about it, it makes me feel great, even when they know the risks.
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:40.360
You know, they're like, okay, I get it.
00:46:40.519 --> 00:46:46.440
And what's nice is that I I it's my own coined term, forgive me, but I call it smart investors.
00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:50.840
These are these investors that, you know, know what they're they like, for example, they know the area.
00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:52.760
Like I'm gonna use Lake Avisoo, for example.
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:56.200
A lot of my investors, they are from Lake Avasu or they travel out here.
00:46:56.280 --> 00:47:03.079
So they know the area, they know the demand, they they already have their own uh experience with that area, right?
00:47:03.320 --> 00:47:11.079
So that's what I love about uh working with investors that know what they're getting themselves into, but then also kind of getting into the weeds.
00:47:11.240 --> 00:47:23.640
And a lot of times I'm learning that people ask questions about maybe construction that they may not know, but they feel comfortable enough to ask questions that's not really you know relevant to the investment strategy, but they just are curious about what's happening, you know.
00:47:23.720 --> 00:47:34.120
And I that's the fun part, you know, and and I think when you get to a point as an operator and as a fund manager where you can have fun with that and you're building those relationships with your clients, that's where you win.
00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:35.240
That's where the success is.
00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:43.800
And that's when, you know, regardless of what goes on, where you have a win or a loss, you know, a lot of investors will trust in you and keep investing with you, uh, even if you've had some hard times.
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:46.760
And so again, that's that relationship building that I try to teach.
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:58.440
In fact, uh, Karin, when I'm doing the, I'm gonna be in um in Tulum and speaking at Rich's yeah, event, I'm actually going to bring that up about how this is such a relationship business.
00:47:58.600 --> 00:48:09.720
If you don't put that first, you're not gonna, you're not gonna be able to really um be successful, you know, all the way down to my contractors and my subs and the city, right, for approvals and planning.
00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:12.280
I mean, it's a relationship business from soup to nuts.
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:16.200
So I try to advise people to always make sure that you look at it from that standpoint.
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:18.519
If you start off that way, you'll probably be successful.
00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:21.000
People invest in with people they trust.
00:48:21.160 --> 00:48:22.120
Yeah, and there's so many.
00:48:22.200 --> 00:48:26.760
I tell everybody else, oh, you can log on to social media and find another investment, another syndicator out there.
00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:28.920
People invest into the operator.
00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:29.640
They really do.
00:48:29.720 --> 00:48:35.800
They want to know that that's someone they feel good about, they get the warm and fuzzies, they trust them, and you know, they're gonna protect their investment the best they can.
00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:41.079
You know, they can't make promises, but they can make the best, you know, try to do the best they can, and that's always important.
00:48:41.240 --> 00:49:01.559
So you know, you bring up social media, and anybody can get on there and see there's 10,000 ads, and but the reality is, is the guys that are promising the world, and so many of them are like, you can get this 25% annualized return in two weeks.
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:15.640
No, I mean you have to look past the the pretty promises that don't really work out, and it truly is about the relationship and about working with the people that of course know, like, and trust.
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:23.079
Yeah, we say that, but it's honestly, I would tell my grandma that make sure you're working with people that you again know like and trust.
00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:24.760
Let me ask you this, Nate.
00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:28.600
So, one of our funds, our secured income funds, more of an institutionally designed fund.
00:49:28.680 --> 00:49:31.480
You know, it's more mortgage-backed securities, it's a lending arm.
00:49:32.120 --> 00:49:34.280
You know, Karin, you know a lot about this.
00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:46.519
Um we what we what we do is we try to provide a lot of supporting data, why this investment is a good idea or what we see that's relevant, and then let investors see that data as well.
00:49:46.680 --> 00:49:52.840
Uh, you know, Green Street Advisors is a great company to pull from for data uh from an institutional level.
00:49:52.920 --> 00:50:07.079
They work with pension funds, hedge funds, anybody in the real estate space, um, from you know, hundreds of millions of billions of dollars in in uh in assets to to track, but also provide that type of data to operators to then pass on to their investors.
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:21.240
Would you say that the the fund managers, the operators, the successful, more successful ones are the are the funds that are created with that type of data and third-party reports and transparency components to it?
00:50:21.720 --> 00:50:27.800
I I think you just mentioned the most important thing is the transparency for the investors.
00:50:28.200 --> 00:50:30.360
Of course, to make the right decision, you need data.
00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:32.840
Data is the most important thing in the world.
00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:35.960
Uh, people don't even realize that.
00:50:36.120 --> 00:50:39.400
I mean, think of all these internet companies, the Amazons.
00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:43.880
It's like the reason why they're huge and big is because they have all the data that you don't.
00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:48.360
The same thing applies in doing real estate deals.
00:50:48.440 --> 00:50:50.680
The data is out there, but you know what?
00:50:50.920 --> 00:51:03.079
The institutions, the private equity, the guys that are in the business, they receive it for making the right decisions for their business, but also for the investors.
00:51:03.640 --> 00:51:06.280
You should be asking these same questions.
00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:08.600
You should be asking for the same data.
00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:14.360
And if the guys that you're working with don't have it, maybe they're not making the best decisions.
00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:19.559
So having it and communicating it, but also being transparent.
00:51:19.720 --> 00:51:33.880
The good, the bad, the ugly, this is what's going on in the world is truly what makes the well, the relationship work from the syndicator to the investor and building that confidence.
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:38.120
Let me ask you this, and this is going to be a little loaded, so I may you may have to think about it.
00:51:38.360 --> 00:51:41.480
Which asset class have you seen?
00:51:41.640 --> 00:51:44.519
And let's talk about recent because we always have cycles, right?
00:51:44.600 --> 00:51:46.120
So let's just talk something about recent.
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:52.200
What with the operators and everyone that you work with opening funds, what asset class seems to be shining the best?
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:56.200
Uh, and and and is a good strategy moving forward?
00:51:57.720 --> 00:51:59.720
Hotels, hospitality.
00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:00.680
I like that idea.
00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:03.800
Is it the whole Airbnb thing too?
00:52:04.200 --> 00:52:06.200
Airbnb is actually a thing of the past.
00:52:06.519 --> 00:52:20.200
I know it is not the best place to invest today because it's oversaturated, it's expensive, and of course, now the hotels are coming back and saying, you know what, if you're our competition, we're gonna try to squash you.
00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:24.920
But we got some money, so we're gonna try to get some regulations to make your life tough as well.
00:52:25.240 --> 00:52:36.120
So don't necessarily encourage people to go the Airbnb route, but hotels, hospitality, and also I hate to say this and admit this.
00:52:36.519 --> 00:52:44.200
Our economy is great because of the top 20 of the wealthy and the earners.
00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:56.519
So luxury condos, luxury, you know, building the the lake barns, like the things that the wealthy can afford.
00:52:56.840 --> 00:52:58.280
This is different from the past.
00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:02.120
Yeah, like they have the money that can do the deals.
00:53:03.400 --> 00:53:08.120
Yeah, so that uh is what I really see working out today that has just been different.
00:53:08.200 --> 00:53:09.640
I mean, you talk about cycles.
00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:14.519
Here's a cycle of where we're at, and it's really macroeconomic causes.
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:21.160
Are you seeing are you seeing a lot of operators starting to move in different markets geographically as well?
00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:24.440
They're not just let's say someone's from Southern California or just Dallas.
00:53:24.600 --> 00:53:27.320
Are they starting to venture off into other states and other markets?
00:53:27.400 --> 00:53:29.160
Are you seeing that diversification now too?
00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:29.960
We see that.
00:53:30.200 --> 00:53:31.960
Ish, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:33.240
Karen, you're seeing that a lot.
00:53:33.480 --> 00:53:39.559
I mean, yeah, a lot of it where the hot spot to do the deals, it always moves.
00:53:39.720 --> 00:53:46.280
Texas is always a hot market, Nashville has been huge for a long time, Arizona goes back forever, California.
00:53:47.240 --> 00:53:47.880
Yeah.
00:53:48.440 --> 00:53:58.760
But it is like well, you know, I was thinking about moving back there, but then I bought a place in Spain, and I'm so much happier than I was.
00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:02.039
And the price point, I remember when you sent me the video of that place.
00:54:02.120 --> 00:54:04.360
I'm like, wait, how much did you buy this for again?
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:05.160
That was awesome.
00:54:05.240 --> 00:54:07.640
I mean, you were like, I mean, it's beautiful, it's beautiful.
00:54:07.720 --> 00:54:08.519
Good, good for you.
00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:11.640
I remember you back towards like tomato Fallbrook, wasn't it?
00:54:11.720 --> 00:54:14.680
When you were looking at something out in Fallbrook, you know what?
00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:16.200
Just total side story.
00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:23.559
Yeah, but the three things that I was looking for near the water with space and a school, good school district.
00:54:23.640 --> 00:54:27.559
Yeah, you could have two out of three, but good luck finding all three.
00:54:27.720 --> 00:54:36.039
So we kind of settled on well, if we can be right next to the water in Spain, we already got the space in the school district here.
00:54:36.200 --> 00:54:42.039
We can just fill in the pieces, and uh, you know, my my girls, my wife, well, you love it.
00:54:42.200 --> 00:54:44.120
So looking for our best life.
00:54:44.200 --> 00:54:44.920
And you know what?
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:51.559
That's because frankly, we invested smart, we work with the right people, and it's all about partnerships, to be honest.
00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:52.280
I love it.
00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:57.400
Okay, so let's talk about stuff that also is really important, in my opinion, from a compliance side.
00:54:57.640 --> 00:55:00.519
So, you know, what what do you advise your clients?
00:55:00.600 --> 00:55:02.519
You know, kind of the best practices.
00:55:02.600 --> 00:55:04.920
I know that's kind of a loaded question because it can go a million different ways.
00:55:05.079 --> 00:55:06.600
Just whatever's off the top of your head.
00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:09.240
What's best practices when it comes to compliance?
00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:13.880
Whether it's, you know, from let's just say it's a 506C, uh a private placement memorandum.
00:55:14.039 --> 00:55:17.640
Do you advise that they should have audited financials?
00:55:17.720 --> 00:55:24.360
Um, or do you, depending on the nature of it, like let's talk a little bit about the compliance, the accredited investor uh side of things as well?
00:55:24.680 --> 00:55:27.960
Uh a little bit of a loaded question, as you were saying.
00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:34.680
But uh yeah, when we were working with somebody, the first question is where are your investors going to come from?
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:36.680
How are you going to find them?
00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:41.240
Because that really dictates what regulation you can work with.
00:55:41.480 --> 00:55:42.039
Right.
00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:47.480
So accredited, non-accredited, there's there's strategies and styles for all of that.
00:55:47.640 --> 00:55:52.039
So best practice is figure out what makes the most sense for your business.
00:55:52.200 --> 00:55:59.240
Best practice in working with investors is say what you're gonna do and do it.
00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:06.120
You know, and you you guys, I love the fact that you guys are uh for a long time were looking at a lot of our marketing content before we sent it out.
00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:17.960
I thought that was really neat and really amazing because you know, when we were first getting into it, we didn't know we had to have certain disclosures on our pitch decks and even some of our marketing content on uh, let's say uh Meta, right?
00:56:18.039 --> 00:56:18.920
Or some of that.
00:56:19.240 --> 00:56:26.120
And I I thought that was really neat because disclosures are such an important thing when you're dealing with, you know, raising capital and solicitation.
00:56:26.200 --> 00:56:32.039
I mean, you're dealing with SEC oversight, and uh, I think a lot of people get in trouble if they're not disclosing it properly.
00:56:32.200 --> 00:57:00.200
And I think that is where I try to tell my friends and family they're getting into opening funds and managing that you really want someone that can help you oversee that, but are gonna basically help protect you, but it's at the same time protecting the investor because you're ultimately just providing disclosures of what you need to know before you get involved, but then also saying, hey, look, if your investor signs off on this because they've read everything, then you're protected as well, you know.
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:01.640
And I think that's really important.
00:57:01.720 --> 00:57:10.440
And what I was also telling people is a lot of times you have, you know, investors go through hard times that are in a fund, and you have multiple investors in that fund.
00:57:10.600 --> 00:57:18.600
And so the last thing you want too is maybe one person that just has gone through a hard time to have now a direct impact on all these other people too, right?
00:57:18.840 --> 00:57:23.400
And that is something I think most people don't talk about uh that I wanted to bring up.
00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:28.680
That uh, you know, is there is there a standard practice, like let's say, and forgive me, I'm just gonna throw this out there.
00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:41.160
You know, if let's say uh if someone has, you know, is raising a million dollars and they have more than four investors, five investors, seven investors, is there like a standard practice to have a disclosure package?
00:57:42.280 --> 00:57:58.680
Uh my opinion is two investors, and I don't care if it's a small investment, it really is about disclosing what you're doing, disclosing about yourself, your business plan, and the risks.
00:57:59.160 --> 00:58:02.840
People ask, well, when do I need to hire a securities attorney?
00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:09.400
Well, the answer is anytime you're pulling together people's money, and you know what, there's not a grandma exemption.
00:58:09.640 --> 00:58:14.440
Like even within your family, you gotta pay attention to these things.
00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:31.880
But the real reason why to have a disclosure document, even if like legally there's some things that you don't have to disclose, best practice is to make sure it's all disclosed because it's not about when things go right, it's about when things go wrong, right?
00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:51.960
And besides pissing off grandma, you gotta make sure that you're protecting your investors to begin with, but ultimately protecting your family and by doing things right, and if you don't disclose what you're doing, things go wrong.
00:58:52.120 --> 00:58:56.519
That's when lawsuits happen, that's when complaints, that's when audits happen.
00:58:56.920 --> 00:58:59.559
And all of a sudden you say, Well, I told you.
00:58:59.720 --> 00:59:06.760
And then the investor says, No, you don't, didn't you told me something else, you lied to me.
00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:10.680
Well, now if it's in this disclosure document, this is what I said is gonna happen.
00:59:10.920 --> 00:59:13.079
This is what it says is gonna be the risks.
00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:17.559
Well, now it's in writing, so don't lie.
00:59:17.720 --> 00:59:19.880
There's always a risk in investing.
00:59:20.120 --> 00:59:23.400
This is why we always tell people understand your asset.
00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:27.240
And I think you just told a self-directed IRA investor how to do their due diligence.
00:59:27.320 --> 00:59:33.800
You know, read those disclosures, read the disclosures first, read them carefully, and you'll understand all the risks.
00:59:34.039 --> 00:59:35.720
It's so it really is so important.
00:59:35.880 --> 00:59:49.800
Now, more on the sophisticated operators, do you guys provide funds that have the correct verbiage for placement agents, RIAs, broker dealers, um, you know, all of that fun stuff that is also a little more complicated?
00:59:49.960 --> 00:59:59.079
And then also, you know, can you guys take an operator, let's say someone who's very seasoned and has a track record, do you have the capacity to build out an offering to go public?
00:59:59.800 --> 01:00:10.840
Yeah, we we help with, I know we're called crowdfunding lawyers, but we do everything from those little deals all the way up to those IPOs and Pubcos and REITs, and yeah.
01:00:11.079 --> 01:00:27.480
I mean, we've we've got some well-known names that we work with that are doing massive, huge deals that they started with a little syndication, and now some of these people are nationwide.
01:00:27.720 --> 01:00:29.240
So it it really is, yeah.
01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:31.079
And that's part of the planning process.
01:00:31.240 --> 01:00:32.280
What are your goals?
01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:38.519
And if you're looking to use broker dealers, RIAs, there are certain things that you need to build into it.
01:00:38.680 --> 01:00:39.000
Yep.
01:00:39.160 --> 01:00:40.360
And again, just don't try.
01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:45.000
Trust every syndication attorney because a lot of them are one trick ponies.
01:00:45.240 --> 01:00:49.079
Think that you don't need to worry about 25% with real estate.
01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:53.480
Well, okay.
01:00:53.640 --> 01:00:59.000
So let's let's talk about something even deeper because I really do value our relationship.
01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:08.360
And you I and for those of you that can imagine, you know, with an operation that size of ours at this point, we really just need those people to watch over us.
01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:13.079
Nate, those guys that started with first syndications and now you've kind of taken zero to a hundred.
01:01:13.400 --> 01:01:15.000
How's your relationship with those guys?
01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:15.960
Is it more personal?
01:01:16.120 --> 01:01:22.760
Do you have in-depth knowledge of their friends and family and talk to them all the time when the market's getting weird and what the hell's going on?
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:26.120
I mean, you're you're you have a personal relationship with your operators.
01:01:26.440 --> 01:01:31.880
Uh, I hate to say that is a benefit and an absolute curse.
01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:32.360
Yeah.
01:01:32.680 --> 01:01:36.920
And absol I still have the same clients from 16 years ago.
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:37.480
Yeah.
01:01:37.720 --> 01:01:48.440
Like through the good times and the bad, they have issues that you know, you have a problem with a project, it rolls into family and stress.
01:01:49.320 --> 01:01:53.320
So part therapists, part best friends, part drinking buddies.
01:01:53.480 --> 01:01:57.640
Yeah, like I could have sworn I didn't get a college that I didn't go to good school to be a cosmetologist.
01:01:57.720 --> 01:01:58.840
Jeez, I didn't know.
01:01:59.960 --> 01:02:00.760
That's so true.
01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:02.600
You're kind of a psychologist all the way through.
01:02:02.840 --> 01:02:03.960
Well, I really appreciate that.
01:02:04.039 --> 01:02:08.840
Is Nate, is there anything that you want to touch on that maybe I didn't that you want the audience to know?
01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:13.000
You're you're covering everything so amazingly.
01:02:13.079 --> 01:02:16.120
I'm just here to be that uh, as you mentioned, the pretty face.
01:02:17.880 --> 01:02:18.760
Karin, how about you?
01:02:18.840 --> 01:02:20.440
Is there anything else you want to touch on?
01:02:20.840 --> 01:02:28.760
I think a takeaway with when you think about retirement accounts is make a contribution, you know, invest in yourself.
01:02:28.920 --> 01:02:40.920
And as a Amanda Hahn, my my uh CPA and a great uh a great CPA, she says invest uh, you know, invest in yourself and and uh you know and and pay yourself and not the IRS.
01:02:41.000 --> 01:02:42.360
So that's what I suggest.
01:02:42.600 --> 01:02:45.480
Go make a contribution to your to your retirement account.
01:02:45.800 --> 01:02:46.360
I love it.
01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:51.640
Now that Ryan's gone again, I his uh internet is probably just having the weirdest time.
01:02:52.120 --> 01:02:53.400
Actually, that's why I came home.
01:02:53.559 --> 01:02:56.360
I was having problems in my office as well.
01:02:56.600 --> 01:02:57.320
So, you know what?
01:02:57.559 --> 01:02:58.519
Forget you, Ryan.
01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:04.200
Clearly, hey, please share your contact information.
01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:06.920
I'll just make it over next time I do this.
01:03:07.079 --> 01:03:08.360
If that's what's going on, man.
01:03:08.600 --> 01:03:10.039
Jeez, goodness gracious.
01:03:10.200 --> 01:03:14.039
I'm like, I know what I'm gonna I went to my house too, thinking I'm gonna have better internet here.
01:03:14.120 --> 01:03:16.360
And apparently I wasn't right, so whatever.
01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:17.960
Maybe I'll just disclose that next time.
01:03:18.120 --> 01:03:22.600
Hey, if I you know, if I just disconnect, it's not because I'm really using the restroom, it's my internet.
01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:24.519
So I'll make sure to put the right disclosures in.
01:03:27.079 --> 01:03:29.000
This has been gone for a really long time.
01:03:29.240 --> 01:03:30.280
Yeah, you know, yeah.
01:03:30.519 --> 01:03:32.760
I'm actually sweating, I ran really fast.
01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:34.840
So, well, thank you guys so very much.
01:03:34.920 --> 01:03:36.760
It's an honor to have you a part of my platform.
01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:40.920
I feel I really do feel blessed because I know when I can hand stuff to you guys, I we just don't worry.
01:03:41.000 --> 01:03:42.120
You got the best of the best.
01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:46.200
And so for those of you that are watching or listening, feel free to reach out to these two.
01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:51.800
Uh, if you have questions about your IRAs, just the knowledge that's in this room is is priceless to have in your corner.
01:03:51.880 --> 01:03:52.840
So thank you guys very much.
01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:54.519
And we'll uh we'll see you guys all soon.
01:03:54.760 --> 01:03:55.079
Awesome.
01:03:55.400 --> 01:03:55.720
Thank you.
01:03:55.960 --> 01:04:00.760
Important thing before you go, Karin, how do we get a hold of you?
01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:04.200
Oh man, udirect I R A.com.
01:04:04.280 --> 01:04:08.039
We're all over social media, but our website, we have so many blog articles.
01:04:08.120 --> 01:04:10.920
If you have a question, we've got it answered in a blog article, I'm sure.
01:04:11.079 --> 01:04:13.960
But again, it's udirectira.com.
01:04:14.920 --> 01:04:17.079
And I will be a little bit more personal.
01:04:17.160 --> 01:04:21.720
Just shoot me an email, Nate Nate at investmentlawyers.com.
01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:23.079
Love to hear from you.
01:04:23.400 --> 01:04:23.800
Perfect.
01:04:23.960 --> 01:04:24.840
Thank you guys very much.
01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:26.840
Have a wonderful day, and we'll see you soon.