108: MICKEY 17 is MISUNDERSTOOD - Movie Review

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Hello, Welcome back to another episode of Somewhere Between, Somewhere Between,
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a film and TV podcast where your hosts I am
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Daniel Park and I'm Merwin Trow and number one, thank
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you so much for listening and watching.
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Number two. What are they gonna do? They're gonna like
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comment and subscribe? Please do it when we're there.
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Seventeen, Irwin, I'm gonna skip a few numbers. What is
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it that we are reviewing?
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Make you so yeah? Not seventeen again, Mickey seventeen.
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Also, I'm kind of curious. We're kind of cutting in
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a little bit here, but in the title thing, I
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was like, help far into this movie?
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Does the title drop? You know?
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Oh yeah, I like it's one of those IMDb fun
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fact trivia. I'm sure you're gonna find out where it's like.
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Mickey seventeen, as a matter of fact, doesn't drop the
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title until forty five minutes in. But there's another one
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that did that. I think it's r R R.
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But oh yeah.
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What we are going to ask Irwin here before we
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fully get into it is Bung June Hoe's previous work.
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What do you think of it? What have you seen?
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I've seen, of course, Parasite. Yeah, I've seen the host
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I've seen did he do the who did the the
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movie with the train to Busay?
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No? A different person? Oh? What was I see done?
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Snow Piercer? I have seen that one? Yeah, different train movie.
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Have you seen the show? No? Actually with d V Diggs?
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Have you seen it? No, I've heard good things about it? Actually,
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but what else has he made? I let me ask
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you have you seen him for yes? Yeah, you do
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that one. Yes.
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Let me ask you what you think of these movies?
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While I like just to clarify which other ones you've done?
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No? No, no, what do you think of his work? While
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I look this up?
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Yeah, it's amazing, fantastic. I never He's definitely a director
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that can tell a great story while having while utilizing
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like a variety of characters in his movies.
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Oh okay, so Memories of Murder is what it's called?
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And Mother, which I've heard amazing things about, have not
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seen and Barking Dogs Never Bite.
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So a few of these his earliest not made that many.
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No, not really, but he does have, you know, a
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very particular type of staying power. And he's one of
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the ones where at this point in time, so clearly
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he's one of those directors that gets a blank check
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to do whatever he wants. It's so clear based off
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of the movie that we just saw. But I also
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want to echo your same sentiments Parasite.
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I haven't seen that show.
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No, not that's good too. We'll talk about Daryville when
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we get to when we get there. But Parasite is,
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of course, naturally one of the best movies ever made.
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It's one of those ones that like exploded. It's the
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reason why I think Mickey seventeen exists in the first place,
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is because you watch something like that, of course, naturally
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everyone's going to be like, well, what is someone that
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made something like this going to do next?
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Oakja.
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First time I saw it, I liked it, I appreciated it.
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I didn't think I quite got on its full wavelength.
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But then I saw it again just a couple of
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years ago, and that's one of the most prime examples
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I can think of of I think this movie is incredible,
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and I'm glad that I saw it again because my I.
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Think I only saw it once, but I remember loving it.
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Yeah, it's very We're gonna bring oak Ja up again
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because that's the one that's most reminiscent here. Snow Piercer,
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I think is an amazing movie, not what you think
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it's going to be. But what do all of these
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movies have in common for me is their themes and
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allegories are maybe about as unsubtle as it gets. I
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think that when it comes to his American films, they're funnier,
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and they also where their themes on their sleeve, basically
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like leading into all of that and prior knowledge as well.
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With this movie, did you love it? Did you hate it?
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Or are you somewhere between? I loved it? Yeah, yeah
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I did.
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I Okay, So even while watching it, I've seen some
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of the responses to this movie.
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I've seen that what are they saying?
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So it's at like seventy eight or seventy nine percent
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around Tomatoes. But some of the people that have hated
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this movie hate this movie? Why would they hate They
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think it's too over the top. They think that it
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is super unsubtle, which I mean, that's a critique that
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I understand. But they also think that it's messy, unfocused.
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And while I understand were all of that's coming from,
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I'm not that I also love this movie quite a bit.
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I like, see, Okay, I guess when we talk about it,
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we'll talk about.
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It like if there were anything I would say, I
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think that this movie actually has a whole lot to say,
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because of course it does, but it makes like six
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different themes relevant at once. I feel like it's a
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really tricky balance, and I respect that a movie with
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this budget is like this. There's like it's sort of
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an adventury comedy thing, but it's also really dark and
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violent and off putting and simultaneous makes you question.
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A lot of things, and like the choices and like
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the ethical principles of like of what the themes are
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going on in the movie.
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Yeah, before we get into all of that, because that's
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going to be like everything we review has full spoilers.
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What did you love about this? What I loved about
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this was like the characters in the movie.
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Yeah, especially of course was like Robert Patterson as like
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the variations of Mickey's and but also the world building.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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I I think whenever it would focus back and forth
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with the editing style of like showcasing like different story
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points and how it's gonna be utilized later.
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On in the movie, right, and one of.
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Them being like the okay, like, how are we going
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to do with the fact of possibility of being multiples?
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Right? Yeah? And they use of an example of a
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scientist who was a multiple and was also a murderer
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on the loose, which I love.
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That was like yeah, and they casually just bring it
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in saying like, well, all these philosophers and scientists and
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all these debates are having, like whether or not like
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or do you consider these people as just like each
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individual or is just one person in religious beliefs, as
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well as like one body is one soul.
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So I like bringing up all those ideas.
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Definitely helps a lot with like the emotional toll when
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you get to see Mickey seventeen and Mickey eighteen as well.
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Because it's one of those natural questions that you're going
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to ask, ask where eighteen is such a different being
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yes than seventeen. But I feel like the point that
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this movie is making is that you are kind of
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being beaten down by your job, by the system, by
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anything having to do with working for the higher whatever
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it is, that you start to kind of lose yourself
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in that. In that also, this like snow Piercer like
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snow Piercer. Snow Piercer is also quite literally about climbing
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your way to the top like that, and it is
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a literal. He shows it visually like there's no way
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to miss it here.
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Same thing.
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It's basically this movie, This entire movie is the equivalent
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to that SpongeBob meme where it's the guy It's like,
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look at you in your first day of work.
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You were so happy.
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But this would be like Mickey seventeen or Mickey one,
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and then Mickey eighteen.
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I always love I love the question they kept asking
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too towards Mickey. It's like, now, what does dying feel like?
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Over and over again? And it kind of and the
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answer that Mickey always gives seems so like a response
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you would give. How are you enjoying your work? You know,
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it's whatever it happens at my job.
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This is such a common older man response is.
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Live in the dream. That's it, you go. I hate that.
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Just recently, I got another day in paradise and then
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they call me big D.
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But I don't know what they called the D. I
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don't know.
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I'm not the wrizzler. I don't have a the in
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front of my nickname, why not? But no, I fully
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I love that. By the way, the whole question of
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what does it feel like to die? It's repeated enough
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times and he's like, I cannot do an impression of
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that voice. Whatever voice that is.
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He does a great job of like just different voices. Yeah.
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I didn't realize how often his voices are different on
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every like in all the movies that I've seen him in.
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If you do, like if you watch an interview with him,
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I think his closest accent in real life is that
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to like Goblet of Fire. Yes, but he hasn't done
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it since that, and then you kind of like forget,
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like in good Time, I like, I'm so American. He's
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like doing this New York like, oh from the great
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type accent here. It sounds very much worker Steve Buscemi,
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because he said he was inspired by Fargo.
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Oh this one. Yeah, Oh I could see that, but
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he said that, yeah, especially with the snow and everything.
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Yeah, he said he kind of got that. He didn't
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even realize he was doing that until after the fact,
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and he was like, then I watched Fargo again. He
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was like, oh, my accent is this? But I loved
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that repeated question over and over in this movie. If
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you feel like it got repetitive at all, which I didn't,
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I get it because it's making sure that you understand.
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Like how it was feeling, yeah, what it's about.
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Yeah, And and it's like constant barrage of this is work,
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like this is the work. And even at the beginning,
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like something that I also loved, which you brought up already,
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there's good narration is amazing. Yes, And I feel like
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the whole back and forth the setup is a little
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bit long, the expository part of it, the exposition, yes,
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but I thought that that was okay, just because this
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movie in terms of what it's doing, it definitely has
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a kind of first half and a second half, I feel,
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And the second half is once Mickey eighteen is introduced,
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it becomes.
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And evolves into a different type of thing. Good cup
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back Cup.
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Yeah, even though they kind of end up having a
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sort of weird like friendship in a way with each other.
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But alongside all of that, I loved the whole, like
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the joke about like did you read the contract that
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you agreed to?
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It's like I should have read the paperwork.
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And this movie has some sort of weird tone balance
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for sure. Yes, because they're on the run from like
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a there's a lot going on in this movie, by
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the way, but they're even on the run from some
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sort of loan shark, and they because they own their
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own money for like a.
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Macaroon shop, macaroons are better than burgers. And you're like,
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what and the ship said the macaroon is not a sin?
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I think, yeah, yeah, it's exactly what I said. You're like,
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what is it? Okay?
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Honestly, I don't know if it's a hot take. I
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don't agree with that, but I never thought not the
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same part, but macaroons are You're going to hell?
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No? I mean more so like I love macaroons, I don't.
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I don't think they're.
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Better than burgers though, but who's gonna who's about to
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make that comparison?
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That's a weird person. But what else did you love
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about this? I love?
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What I love about this movie is also the characters
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in it, so introducing like Mark Ruffalo and Tony Yeah
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and yeah yeah, just like every character just like felt
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like their individual person and they always have like these
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these unique characteristics about them.
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That set them apart from everybody else. And when they
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all have a conversation with one another, it definitely feels
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like a believable situation that they're all in. Yeah, and
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that's what I really like about his like movies as a.
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Whole, Like at least the ones that I've seen, Yeah,
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he definitely makes it. He definitely puts it as like
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an important thing where the characters drive the story and
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push the story along.
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I don't think I've ever seen one of his movies
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where the narrative drove everything. Essentially, what happens is characters
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are introduced first and yes foremost, and then everything else
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around them, their world whatever.
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Like.
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The choices that the characters make drive the story.
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And that's what I love because Oakja has some character
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choices that frustrate you. Parasite has some character choices that
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frustrate you, and this is all for the sake of
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the characters growing. I think he is unparalleled with coming
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up with Even though this takes place it's more in
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like an actual reality Parasite does, he is still so
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good at introducing you to a world, a part of
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the world, whether it be Oakcha or Parasite or this one,
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and you just understand everything going on like the something
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as simple as whenever they were talking about we're going
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to go colonize a different planet we're working on like
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a spaceship, and then you're just kind of accept where
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you are. You're like this is reality, like you to me,
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there's seventeen mickeys and then like there's eighteen now yeah.
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Like oh my god.
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And it's like very subtle too, where it's like Mark
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Ruffo's character is like he's lost like the last two elections,
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yeah and everything, and that's why he's leading this like expedition.
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Yeah, to go and try to He wants to be
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the king of wherever they're going. And I also like that,
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like it's very obvious to me, like if we're going
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to start talking about like I do also love the
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characters in this. Mark Ruffalo is a very clear stand
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in for Donald Trump, and I feel like this movie
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it's interesting because he is a Korean filmmaker but obviously
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has interest in American politics or American going on. Oak
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Joe was a lot about the meat industry. I'm sure
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it was a critique of Tyson as well, but we
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hate the Tyson company. Yeah, I refuse to eat anything. Also,
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their stuff does taste worse.
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But I just hate the fact that they what they
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on like half of all chicken products.
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Oh that's true.
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Yeah, you have like a huge like capitalist like yeah,
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I forgot the other half. I don't know, Kirkland Kirk.
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But Steven John's also amazing in this. He keeps picking
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these like sleazy, douchey guys to play.
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I get it, guy, I get it.
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You saw beef right, Yeah I did. Yeah, he's amazing
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in that. He's kind of doing the same sort of
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like douchey energy for sure.
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But that's another thing.
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The way this movie like starts and you're kind of
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like even just from the get go, you're sort of
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introduced where he's you think he's like already dying. You're
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kind of immersed in this world already, Like Nifflheim sounds
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like something from like Thor or The Ring.
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Yeah.
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Another thing though, like in terms of the world building
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being amazing in this, those creatures, the creepers so cool.
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I love the way that they look, Yeah, but.
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I like their Yeah, their design looks amazing, and I
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guess like the progression of how we learn about these
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creatures as well throughout the movie was also great. Yeah,
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Like I like the fact of us not really knowing
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what they are and like what they do yet until later.
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On in the movie. Yeah, and then just also knowing
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the fact that they don't really hurt anyone or can't
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hurt anyone. No. I love that says a lot too.
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About like us as like a mankind just willing to
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start a war when we just don't understand what's going on.
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Yeah, No, there's even they're like they're in the middle
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of a conflict in like the third part of this
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movie where Naomi Aki, which we haven't even talked about yet,
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who's kind of the anchor of this movie actually, like
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obviously Robert Pattinson's the main character, but this movie is
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more romantically driven than you might think it would be,
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and because he does everything he does for her character, yes,
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at the end of the day, but just in terms
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of a part of the world building that I love
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and you can tell just based off of how they're
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marketing this movie. And then it was clarified by something
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that Robert Pattinson. It said the way the creepers talk
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in terms of even when they bluff that they are
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going to kill all of humanity, whatever.
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They say cause an extinction.
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Yeah, what it reminded me of is anything coming out of.
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A Ghibli movie.
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It felt very much like the energy from that. And
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then Robert Pattinson himself said, I've actually I watch a
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lot of anime and I modeled part of how my
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characters act based entirely off of anime. It was like,
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this is a very like anime driven feeling type of movie.
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I was like, that makes so much sense just based
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off of how they treat the animals.
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That they made up for this.
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It felt it probably like of course, you know, studied
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for the boy in the hair and when he was
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looking on that.
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Yeah, I can say like be similar to like Princess Monon,
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Okay exactly, Yeah, just that sort of like harmonious energy
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with nature.
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And it's not even a critique so much like, of course,
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it's a critique on how we treat animals like Mark
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Ruffalo's immediately kill them on and you're like, for what,
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they haven't.
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Even done anything. Yeah, they haven't even shown any kind
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of violent nature really well, like anything to like actually
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hurt humans.
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Yeah, And so that's obviously like this movie's about so
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many separate things and is there anything else that stood
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out to you as like the just in terms of
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what it was about that you like really gravitated to.
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I think when I really.
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What stood out to me was just the just that
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ethical question of whether or not these multiples are if
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we just treat them as like individuals or one whole person, Yeah, right,
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and just bringing up that question, and then just seeing
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whenever that question got brought up in the very beginning
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of the movie, and then it's just that question kept
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slowly like it just kept like creeping behind.
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Creepers and minecraft.
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Creeping behind anytime you would see these multiples together and
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how everybody else would treat them as well. And I
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guess whenever they brought up that one example with that
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scientist and then him being a murder and like having
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multiples of himself too, it just made me question more
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so like are these people like, are these like you know,
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Mickey seventeen, Mickey eighteen really different from one another? They
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seem different, like at different and like the choices that
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they're making too, especially when like they're certain shots in
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the in the movie too, where ye like later in
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the end of the movie where Naomi Aki is like
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about to kill Steven yen and then you got Mickey
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seventeen saying no, don't do it, and make you eighteen
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the right saying do it kill them the devil?
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Yes?
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And so it's just like one of those two things,
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like these people look like they're doing different things, like
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different actions, different choices, So they looked different or like
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sound different, but they looked the same and everything and
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they still have the same memories.
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Yeah.
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I think it was an interesting visual comparison to like
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actually just in terms of as you evolve over the
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course of time, people say, were you the same person
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that you were however long ago? In this movie kind
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of like put me in an existential crisis a little bit,
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just because it was a joke scene right with the
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murder thing, but it really had me thinking whenever they
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were like is the question that they were like corroborators?
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Did they act independently or were they told? Or would
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they all have done the same thing? Yeah, And then
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for some reason I was like, oh no, I don't.
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Know even with the science, like the science who like
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multiple I had multiples of himself made me think because
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I'm like, wait, was there only one of them? Like
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one of that like multiple I just went out to
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start killing people, and the other ones just did nothing
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else and just did their normal things as like normal
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people in society. So and then makes me think like, wait,
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I guess every person just had their own like personality
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and like their own choices that they.
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Want to make.
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But if you were to have done that many of them,
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like do you lose part of your personality for that,
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like all at once? Or like does it focus on one,
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you know, strong centered part of you? Yeah, this is
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just like the moral question that was asked in Leelan
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and Stitch to Stitch.
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Has a glitch. That was good.
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Dude, that was good. I couldn't helped. I thought about
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that movie during this.
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I was like, this is it?
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Like no, and so that's good, Like this movie has
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so many different things going for it, like of course
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we're going to bring up our negatives if.
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We have any, but the I think I have one negative.
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I kind of have one, but it's one of those
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things where I'm like, do I care that much? But
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of course we'll bring up what other people thought whenever
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we don't have too many. I like to mention what
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I've read. But if you think it's messy, I understand, that,
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but I also feel like this movie just has a
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lot on its mind, and that's all right, Like did
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you feel like it kind of changed narratively, like thematically
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what it was about Like halfway through.
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I think he just kept changing based off the characters
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and like what we're going through because of course you
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have like this. They have like one thing they're talking
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about with like multiples, and then they're having another thing
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about having a pure race.
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That was so rare.
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I was just like whoa what and just saying like
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or like they choose that one girl saying like you
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are the perfect candidates for us, oh my god.
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Whatever. It was like.
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It's like the perfect specimen or whatever. Yeah, but then
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seems totally fine with it. Yeah, it's so strange.
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I was like what And it's like different themes or
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like just different things are just happening around this movie.
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But they all have but just based off the characters,
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and that's what really drives like the story, right.
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So naturally, of course this starts off with it's a
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critique on the working industry on how you can sort
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of treat laborers however, take them to hell and back,
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and then at the end of the day, they're like
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you are just another worker. Like you're like, if you die,
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this is obviously to the extreme to make the point.
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If you quit, if you get fired, if you die,
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whatever it may be, we will just you are replaceable.
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And so whenever Mark Ruffalo says like I don't care
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like kill him, like we could just get another one,
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like he's expendable. Yeah, they're I think they literally call
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them expendables, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Or four there's four of them. Yeah, remember we talked
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about that.
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Yeah, And then it evolves into something else where it's
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kind of like, all right, so the sense of self,
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the sense of identity, like who am I really? If
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I loved whenever he was like I don't know, he
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was like I was just I would get replaced and
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then I would come right back out and he was like,
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if you're here, then I'm just gone. And I loved
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that so much, And like it's one of this movie
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drops like small lines of dialogue that kind of sends
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you into like a spiral a little bit.
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But then I forgot about that.
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But then the movie just kind of keeps going. You're
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like until it sort of drops another thing on you
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where it just like evolves, like I said, and then
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once it gets past that, then it's sort of asking
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the question of like talking about colonialism and then whether
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or not it's okay to you know, take over somebody
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else's space, and like how obviously the US has done
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that since we're literally pioneered and built off of that
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in history. And I think it's funny that bangs you
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and Ho from Korea. I should look up if they
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have any history, if anything like that gravitated to that
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in just terms of.
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Like US history.
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But then like sometimes it'll even go off into the
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Another thing is like you know, racism and bigotry about
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like the.
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Likes yeh, perfect specimens.
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Yeah, yeah, just different things that they this movie itself
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was just talking about. Yeah, but it was never directly
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about it. It's just like the things that the characters, like,
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what their goals were.
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Yeah, it felt very much like obviously real life. Yes,
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we're not focused on one thing. This just kind of
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was like whatever was going on. What was going on
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was whatever they were having to deal with now naturally
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I read I didn't read the book Mickey seven.
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Oh yeah, I didn't know it was based off a novel.
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Oh really Yeah, but I'd read that. Apparently the book
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00:24:35.680 --> 00:24:37.319
also does the same thing. It's got a lot on
491
00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:39.799
its mind, so it does change thematically.
492
00:24:39.200 --> 00:24:39.759
Over and over.
493
00:24:39.839 --> 00:24:42.319
Okay, so they retained that energy about it, but it
494
00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:46.160
does sort of land on the third act being about
495
00:24:46.599 --> 00:24:49.519
the whole thing, but between like animals and animals and
496
00:24:49.559 --> 00:24:52.279
then like really like the multiples. Yeah, and then like
497
00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:57.440
living in similar space of course. But then I want
498
00:24:57.599 --> 00:25:00.359
to ask you, like, did you have a favorite scene
499
00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:01.559
in this because I have one.
500
00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:06.880
Oh, what was my favorite scene? Probably when like they're
501
00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:09.119
Mickey seventeen eighteen we're finding one another.
502
00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:11.160
Yeah, that's probably my favorite scene.
503
00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:16.880
My favorite scene takes place at a dinner where oh, it.
504
00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:20.480
Just devolves entirely. I just got gets like worse and worse.
505
00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:23.720
It got worse, and what was it called purple Joe? Oh?
506
00:25:23.799 --> 00:25:27.240
Yeah, then he is awesome. So this movie it's hilarious.
507
00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:30.079
We haven't really gotten to mention yet. It's so funny,
508
00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:31.200
but it's just so subtle.
509
00:25:31.240 --> 00:25:33.799
It's like the subtle comedy type of thing where it's like,
510
00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:35.759
oh no, it's like something bad's happening, but it's so
511
00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:37.319
funny too at the same time.
512
00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:40.160
Whenever like there's a joke that's so deadpan by one
513
00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:45.000
of the scientists where he's like Mark Ruffalo's character is like,
514
00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:47.119
don't beat yourself up about being a failure or whatever
515
00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:48.079
it is, and then he's like.
516
00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:50.240
Sir, the jel's not working.
517
00:25:50.559 --> 00:25:52.720
And then I'm like, you're just like leaving this poor
518
00:25:52.839 --> 00:25:55.079
dude like you know, obviously writhing in pain.
519
00:25:55.559 --> 00:25:59.200
And then like he's like choking and he's like puts
520
00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:00.359
his hand on his face too.
521
00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:05.400
Oh yeah, But Robert Pattinson, of course, you know, it
522
00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:07.839
goes to that being said that he's an incredible actor,
523
00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:11.759
and he of course has a lot physically to do
524
00:26:11.839 --> 00:26:15.079
in this movie as well. But that scene just like
525
00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:18.960
starts from the very beginning where it's a congratulations just
526
00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:21.200
constantly eating like the way that he's eating too, and
527
00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:24.400
then that steak looked raw, and then they were like, oh,
528
00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:27.319
it's a test, by the way, and then I think
529
00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:29.880
it's the character the girl whatever her name was. We
530
00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:33.480
looked it up, but where she was like, did you
531
00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:36.359
test like Jessica, Jessica.
532
00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:41.720
Her name is Jessica. Wait wait, wait wait, I'll look
533
00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:43.440
it up. Well, oh, I'll look it up while you
534
00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:45.680
explained to me, yeah, like she's just wondering.
535
00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:47.400
It's like you were you only brough him in here
536
00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:50.400
just for tests and everything, and then he's like, oh, well,
537
00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:52.039
like we were just testing out these new things. And
538
00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:54.839
then it's just like one test after another with him, yeah,
539
00:26:54.880 --> 00:26:56.559
which is insane. And then they were ready to kill
540
00:26:56.599 --> 00:26:58.480
him off because he didn't seem like he was healing
541
00:26:58.519 --> 00:27:00.359
from the Purple Joe injection.
542
00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:04.119
Yeah, well, okay, before we move on with that. Her
543
00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:08.319
name is Anna Maria vartolemey. Oh, her name is Kai, yeah,
544
00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:12.960
Kai kats in this but oh no, I'm at the actress.
545
00:27:13.480 --> 00:27:16.519
But of course, something that I loved about this is
546
00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:19.200
naturally I think that the first half of the movie,
547
00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:22.880
he says he does everything for Nasha, Yes, but we
548
00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:25.440
don't fully get to see her yet, like we see
549
00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:27.359
them interact. But I feel like she's obviously in the
550
00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:30.119
second half a lot more yes, and we see like
551
00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:33.119
his drive for it at that point.
552
00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:37.799
Yeah, because especially with Mickey seventeen and yeah, because it
553
00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:40.599
seemed like Mickey eighteen was definitely doing his actions. It's like,
554
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:43.799
I guess like when Mickey, just Mickey as a whole,
555
00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:49.079
had two different goals where he wanted to still be with.
556
00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:54.519
Nasha. I don't know what you're saying, Natasha, Nasha, but
557
00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:58.079
also wanted to get rid of Mark ruffles character as well,
558
00:27:58.200 --> 00:28:00.799
because he's the one who let this program happen.
559
00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:05.400
Yeah, and I feel like that ties into something I
560
00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:08.920
liked a lot. Was that the sort of center of
561
00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:11.799
it when you see him dying over and over. Of
562
00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:14.039
course it's played it as a joke, but then later
563
00:28:14.079 --> 00:28:16.480
we see that recontextualized again where he's like, but she
564
00:28:16.640 --> 00:28:17.359
was always there, he.
565
00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:18.200
Was like throughout everything.
566
00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:21.119
And then I love the scene where they're killing him
567
00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:23.319
with like a virus inside of a tube, but then
568
00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:26.519
she goes in there to be with him, and there's
569
00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:29.119
a kind of like there's a rhythm to that that
570
00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:33.400
I really liked. But I think that their relationship and
571
00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:36.039
their connection with each other so strong in this and
572
00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:38.720
it's definitely one of like the leading things that makes it.
573
00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:42.079
I feel like, obviously, nothing like tragic happens in this movie.
574
00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:42.400
Really.
575
00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:44.359
I mean, Mark Ruffalo blows up, but you're kind of
576
00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:46.799
like he deserves it. Honestly, what I thought was going
577
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:48.440
to happen with that is I thought that the animals
578
00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:50.480
were going to kill him in like a really violent way.
579
00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:53.119
But that's I guess that's not the thing that we're like, Hey,
580
00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:54.359
the animals are really nice.
581
00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:56.880
They were, and did you feel like they made them
582
00:28:56.920 --> 00:28:58.960
so nice that whenever she was like cutting the tail
583
00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:01.920
in that way, you're like this terrible roast like and
584
00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:05.759
then she like that dream that he had too. Oh
585
00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:08.279
that scared me too. I was like what because I
586
00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:09.799
thought it was legit. I was like, how much more
587
00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:11.640
of this movie is there? And then I thought it
588
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:13.519
was going to like start over and she's like, well,
589
00:29:13.559 --> 00:29:15.200
this is what the people really want to know. It
590
00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:16.720
isn't who's the people?
591
00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:17.000
Like?
592
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:19.039
I love Mark Ruffalo and he's great in this, but
593
00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:25.279
that's not Mark Ruffle the actor. Yeah, that's what some politicians.
594
00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:29.119
Politicians stand in for her real life. And Tony Kolett's
595
00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:31.880
character is kind of playing the like rich lady that
596
00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:34.839
has nothing to do but like other than be obsessed with.
597
00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:37.240
Like she seems so caring at first, but I think
598
00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:39.920
the moment for me, yeah, when you kind of know
599
00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:42.640
how she really is is whenever she pulls that rug
600
00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:47.200
from me whatever before Mark Ruffalo's characters was about to
601
00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:49.799
shoot him because he wasn't healing from that injection.
602
00:29:50.079 --> 00:29:54.519
No, she was like, you're gonna shoot him takes a
603
00:29:54.559 --> 00:29:57.640
carpet away. Yeah, that's really funny.
604
00:29:57.759 --> 00:29:58.319
That's what I'm saying.
605
00:29:58.359 --> 00:30:00.000
It's a moments like that where it's like something seriou
606
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:02.599
about it happened, but it's so it comes off so funny.
607
00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:05.799
It's just that like dark humor sensibility where like you're
608
00:30:05.839 --> 00:30:08.079
kind of laughing, You're like, this situation is like fucked up,
609
00:30:08.200 --> 00:30:11.640
but like let's get into more before we like any
610
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:15.279
negatives or anything like that. The technical aspects of this movie.
611
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:17.960
This movie was made for like one hundred and twenty
612
00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:20.759
five million dollar budget. Oh and it was shot by
613
00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:25.680
the cinematographer who shot seven And yeah, that's oppressive. So
614
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:29.240
something that I caught kind of right off the bat
615
00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:32.200
is this movie's beautiful. Of course, it is, even without
616
00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:37.240
the the CG whatever stuff. The shot where he's initially
617
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:39.200
in that like sign up room and you see the
618
00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:42.400
spiraling staircase and he's just sort of like there and
619
00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:44.440
you can sort of see that like it's shot in
620
00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:47.119
a way where everything is kind of like anchoring over him.
621
00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:49.359
That was beautiful. Yeah, But did any of like the
622
00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:51.759
technical stuff catch your eye in this.
623
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:54.759
I think it's just the editing aspect too. Yeah, I
624
00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:56.880
think I really enjoyed that, and like the way they
625
00:30:56.880 --> 00:31:00.759
would showcase that, like Mickey seven to make it eighteen
626
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:05.960
and like one space as well, and utilizing like another
627
00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:09.599
character in that scene and just basically spacing them out
628
00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:12.039
and like trying to like showcase to like these two
629
00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:14.559
these two different characters are in one.
630
00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:16.119
Scene, but they're the same person.
631
00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:20.480
Yeah, which honestly I always find that so fascinating to
632
00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:24.319
like how it works around there, like the camera tricks
633
00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:26.319
and like the yeah around it, you start to.
634
00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:30.200
Kind of like lose the sense that that's too like
635
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:32.599
it's one person, you know, but you feel.
636
00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:37.519
Like believing parent trappers, yeah, yeah, or Zach.
637
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:40.640
And Cody, but they're obviously different.
638
00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:44.400
They're always yes they're twins, but they're definitely different heads.
639
00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:46.680
They're like one was taller than the other, one was
640
00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:53.559
into Yeah, one was skinnier, a little bigger. Yes, But honestly,
641
00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:58.400
let's see, do you have any more positives? Those are
642
00:31:58.400 --> 00:31:59.319
all the ones I could think of.
643
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:03.680
Okay, so let's move on to our negatives. If you
644
00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:06.200
have any I hate this movie all right, But if
645
00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:08.200
you're just like we just talked positively for half an hour.
646
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:09.720
You're like, all right, here's my other problems.
647
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:12.039
It's like an hour long, here's an hour longer. Too
648
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:12.839
many mickeys.
649
00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:17.839
My only negative was probably just the beginning. I would say, yeah,
650
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:21.759
and but even then it just wasn't It's not much
651
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:24.079
of a negative, but I think it just took a
652
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:27.119
minute for it to like actually start where the movie
653
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:28.559
was like essentially going to start.
654
00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:29.640
Yeah.
655
00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:32.119
See, I kind of had a similar thing, but I
656
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:34.759
wouldn't call it a critique. I was just more so
657
00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:38.160
kind of like I seen that trailer a lot. Ye,
658
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:40.720
so I was kind of like, you know what the
659
00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:44.079
premise is, of course you do, and so you're sort
660
00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:46.359
of like wondering, waiting when does the.
661
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:48.039
Other Robert Pattinson show up?
662
00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:50.960
But then you're kind of also along for that ride,
663
00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:53.720
just because I thought that the narration was so investing,
664
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:57.599
and I really liked his performance and the like just
665
00:32:57.640 --> 00:33:00.799
the rhythm of his voice. I feel like Scorsese in
666
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:04.599
particular can also get something similar done when it comes
667
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:07.920
to a lot of editing back and forth, a lot
668
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:10.279
of narration at.
669
00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:11.240
The beginning of a movie.
670
00:33:11.480 --> 00:33:15.480
Yeah, it's hard to pull off, just because exposition can
671
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:18.039
feel so like, oh my god, I get like, okay.
672
00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:20.799
Especially if like whenever you would showcase like a scene
673
00:33:20.839 --> 00:33:24.039
that happened in the past. Yeah, and those characters in
674
00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:27.519
that scene aren't really talking, they're just moving around. Yeah,
675
00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:29.839
and they're just acting based off like what the narration
676
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.119
is going off of two. It kind of just feels
677
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:35.039
very I don't know, lazy, but my eyes too.
678
00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:37.279
That's why I like, but I never felt that way
679
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:39.960
with this, you know, just because you're like, this is
680
00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:42.559
the movie, like this isn't necessarily I didn't feel like
681
00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:45.599
there were any cop outs. I didn't feel like they
682
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:49.240
were kind of compromising on any sort of storytelling, especially
683
00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:51.960
when it comes down to once you start getting in
684
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:53.359
to the more joky aspect.
685
00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:57.000
Of where's the prime scientist of the main guy? Yeah,
686
00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:02.079
I thought I was like, it's kind of seem like Matrix. Yeah.
687
00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:03.960
No, all that stuff was like really cool. And then
688
00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:07.240
that I think speaks volumes about the world building here
689
00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:09.840
as well. Like once it was done, I thought about
690
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:12.519
this movie a fair amount. I saw it today it's Tuesday,
691
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:14.639
and I saw it on Sunday. I've like kind of
692
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:17.960
thought about it NonStop. Yeah, and that it felt real.
693
00:34:18.039 --> 00:34:22.480
It felt like a real thing, and of course in
694
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:24.519
a scary way. It kind of echoes the sense that
695
00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:25.960
you do feel like some of this stuff is a
696
00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:27.400
possibility in the future.
697
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:31.159
But is that they're already doing cloning but not to
698
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:33.760
that extent, No, just like with dogs with animals.
699
00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:37.079
Yeah, yeah, I guess I'd also ask one more question
700
00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:40.400
of this is just me like asking you this because
701
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:42.199
it's kind of a question posed by this. Do you
702
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:46.840
feel like there's a sense of is there any kind
703
00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:52.079
of like danger to just if you just kept repeating
704
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.119
like your your life? Oh, do you feel like cloning
705
00:34:55.159 --> 00:34:56.039
on myself?
706
00:34:56.360 --> 00:34:56.559
Yeah?
707
00:34:56.639 --> 00:34:59.000
Do you think like it loses your sense of self
708
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:00.159
over the course of time.
709
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:03.679
I think you would start taking less risk, Yeah, because
710
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:06.519
you're like, well, I am going to come back again,
711
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:07.920
so why take a risk now?
712
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:10.199
And that's why I feel like Mickey eighteen was sort
713
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:12.400
of like kind of flat in terms of some of
714
00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:16.039
his reactions. He also gets super angry, But I feel
715
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:17.800
like it's just because you start to harbor a kind
716
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:20.320
of weight with you where you're like, if my whole,
717
00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:23.920
like you know, goal is just to die, then.
718
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:31.000
Yeah, I can see like the positives of multiplication based
719
00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:34.079
on the fact of like bringing certain animals back from extinction.
720
00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:37.599
I can see that, but then there's also some animals. Now,
721
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:39.719
there's also some animals.
722
00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:43.800
That you know would not thrive in like society that
723
00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:44.800
we have now too.
724
00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:47.000
So but like, let's be real, did you see the
725
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:49.239
thing about like the wooly mammons I was trying being
726
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:52.880
brought back. It's like we are quite literally trying, like
727
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:54.639
we are going the footsteps of what this movie is
728
00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:57.920
talking about. And I can't help it. I do feel
729
00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:01.320
and I understand that if the company's got a hold
730
00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:05.599
of the idea of the whole process, the expendable process,
731
00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:06.360
they would use it.
732
00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:09.000
Oh yeah, no doubt or like that.
733
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Uh it's like for Futurama or like some other future
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movies where it's like they keep your brain in a
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jar and that way you can like somehow like later
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in the future, like bring yourself back.
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I'm I don't get me wrong, I'm coming for Walt
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Disney's head. But yeah, it's in that show too. I
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think a lot of people said that the reason why
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this is a stupid as conspiracy, but the reason why
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Walt Disney.
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I love a good conspiracy.
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Walt Disney made the Walt Disney made the movie Frozen.
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That's how you know that that's stupid bullshit is that
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they're like or Disney made Frozen. So if you looked
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up Disney Frozen, that a frozen head wouldn't come up,
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and it said that the movie Frozen would come up.
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Smart They're good, no, and that's what they made the
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second Frozen movie. Because now we know not Disney, not
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Disney Frozen, Disney Frozen too.
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I'm gonna call it Frozen head to head in the
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third one.
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Can I get Disney Frozen head to head? No?
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But no, I guess I don't necessarily have any negatives
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with this outside of the fact that I guess I
756
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was just sort of like, but honestly, I've just been
757
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sort of debating my score for like two days now,
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just because I was kind of.
759
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Like, I just saw this movie today. Guys, Yeah, I
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kind of want to I want to do it. Oh wait,
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I'm gonna go first.
762
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Yeah, let me ask you for what's your score? Yeah,
763
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So that was my initial reaction. I am going to
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watch it again just because this is a movie I
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do want to watch again. It's one of the remember
766
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our Kinds of Kindness review. I was like four and
767
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a half, but I would give this a five out
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of five if I watch it again. I think I'm
769
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gonna do the same thing. I think I'm going to
770
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put four and a half out of five, but I
771
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want to give this a five out of five.
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Really bad way.
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If we somehow come back to this at the end
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of the year and it's on like it's it's March,
775
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you know it's early, but I will clarify after I've
776
00:38:03.960 --> 00:38:06.119
seen it again if that changes at all.
777
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Mickey, seventeen will be the next Doune too. It is March.
778
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Yeah, they came out less March, but yeah, we thought
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this was amazing. I'm gonna just address really quick likens
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people some of the negatives, people that it was too slow,
781
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a little too long, But I guess if you don't
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find the world.
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Building, I don't know, that's what That's what made the
784
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movie so interesting to me too. It was just the fact,
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like just the characters and like the world, the world
786
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:33.159
itself was just more than enough interesting and.
787
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You're so interested, like even just looking at the backgrounds
788
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alone when they're walking through the snowstorm or whatever it is.
789
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It's so visually dynamic and interesting that you, like, I
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want it to be in that world. This is a
791
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very long movie. I wouldn't cut any of.
792
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Those creatures look like mammoths.
793
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They look like a competition, Yeah, of that, and then
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like roly Polis or something like that. Yeah, they kind
795
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:01.159
of look like have like a bug hybrid looking thing.
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They're both adorable and kind of ugly. But I'm sorry,
797
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and I just that they thought it was about too
798
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much or about nothing at all, because it was about
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a bunch of stuff, which it's kind of asked the
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question of, I mean, is it okay to make a
801
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movie about more than one thing?
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I feel like it is. What do you mean the
803
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same theme?
804
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Like sometimes I feel like a lot of the movies
805
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we've seen lately have one singular theme and that's it.
806
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Like I'm just saying this, I do love this movie.
807
00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:37.719
Campaign Oh, clearly was about one thing, and then I
808
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feel like it's okay to navigate being.
809
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About a bunch of stuff. Oh.
810
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Absolutely, you just got to make sure you're not, you know,
811
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a mess. Some people also thought that it was totally messy,
812
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which I it's a high wire act for sure.
813
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I think because they didn't know whether to laugh or not.
814
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I think it's because we aren't really challenged by comedy
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that much anymore, Like dark comedies don't come out that much,
816
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or just.
817
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Comedies in general.
818
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Yeah, it don't really come out to a certain extent.
819
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Like I feel like even during when I saw A Companion,
820
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I got the same sort of similar vibe where I
821
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feel like some people were kind of scared to laugh
822
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at like.
823
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Things that were funny in that.
824
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But I think it was that's pretty much everything. Some
825
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people actually kind of didn't respond to Robert Pattinson in
826
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this movie, which I read a couple of times. I
827
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guess just because like I don't know, I don't agree
828
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with that at all.
829
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Yeah, clearly, I don't know. But I mean clearly he's
830
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definitely making or he's tackling like different roles.
831
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I will say though, a movie I love that he's
832
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in and I think he's amazing in is to the
833
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Devil All the Time, and that was a similar thing
834
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that was so long ago, twenty nineteen, I think. But
835
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he's going for broken that like he is over the top,
836
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but he's also supposed to be over the top.
837
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He's kind of.
838
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Playing like a scheming, like just fake personae through a performance.
839
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But that's about everything I believe. And us though we
840
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love this a lot and I read it's not doing
841
00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:10.280
too well, but that's okay.
842
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:12.880
No, It's one of those things where I never thought
843
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it would have I actually did kind of see it
844
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had that budget though.
845
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I had a huge budget. So even though WB fucks
846
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up a lot, I respect that they made this.
847
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Keep it coming.
848
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Hey, at least they released a movie that was actually good. Yeah,
849
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but it's failing, which sucks, but it's a good movie.
850
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Then they might learn the wrong lesson from that, but
851
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we'll see. He bun junho gets to do whatever he
852
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:39.679
wants though, really like he has the credibility for it.
853
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If they don't let him make another movie in the
854
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US again, they definitely will in Korea.
855
00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:47.280
Yeah. But overall, yeah, this was incredible. I felt like
856
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:50.599
I love this a lot and you too. Yeah, what's
857
00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:58.360
up next? Opus? And and one more thing, The Electric State?
858
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The Electric State? I forget the don't are you excited
859
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for these? I didn't find out about Electric two until
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two weeks ago.
861
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Oh really, Yeah, I was like, what is this with me?
862
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In It's one of the most expensive Netflix movies ever.
863
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Yeah, I hear it's just one of the highest grossing
864
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or like one of those like high budgeted movies in
865
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a long time.
866
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So we'll see how that one goes. I've heard I've
867
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heard interesting things about all three. Do you say interesting things? Oh,
868
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they're all Wait what about I've heard Nova Kane is great,
869
00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:29.440
I've heard Opus is not too good, and I've heard
870
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that The Electric State is horrible. Yeah, don't don't get
871
00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:38.679
us wrong. We have gone on record about sometimes critically
872
00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:41.719
panned movies that we still like, like he loved Emilia Perez,
873
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So you know it is what it is about.
874
00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:47.639
You were there recording What do you mean.
875
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That was a Daniel nineteen I've died eighteen times. Anyway,
876
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:56.360
what are they gonna do?
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They're gonna like common subscribe, please do what did you
878
00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:00.559
guys think of Mickey said venteen?
879
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:03.000
And if you made it this far, tell us like
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00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:06.119
like I said, just tell us, Yeah, please like, comment
881
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and subscribe and follow us on Instagram at somewhere between film.
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That's it.
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Yes, thank you guys so much for listening and watching.
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We will see in it