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Some Dare Call It Conspiracy.
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Welcome to the Some Dare Call It Conspiracy podcast, hosted
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by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders. After nearly 20 years
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exploring the world of conspiracy culture, we're taking our guests
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and listeners on a guided tour of the rabbit hole.
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Our mission?
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To discover where the truth lies.
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So Andy wakes up in a hotel room and Dr.
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Perizzo is there and he's aggressively questioning him again about
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his steroid use. But it's not entirely clear why this
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man is so obsessed with because apparently he's an orthopedic surgeon.
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And if we remember, he was doing secret experiments and
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using Andy as his sort of yardstick, essentially, so that
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his own son, he could sort of track his quality DNA.
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But unfortunately, it was wrong because he assumed that Andy
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was Italian. It's bullshit. It's absolute bullshit. But anyway, And
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he goes on to explain to this doctor that he
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grows his muscles with mind control, with the silver mind
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control method. And he literally just wills his muscles. He
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envisages them becoming bigger. And when he comes out of trance,
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they are bigger. And he continues, I hear the psychologist
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yelling at Dr. Peruzzo. And you want to give this
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kid a lobotomy? I could make a fucking career out
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of this kid. He said something like, I was the
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greatest psychophysiological example that I had the greatest autogenic abilities
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that he's ever seen. Or something like that. Or something
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like that is in brackets. Because, you know, despite being
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fucking devastatingly cool, Andy is also quite humble.
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That reminds me of you trying to pronounce the Jedha
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Mind Tricks album. You were like, psychosocial, something like that.
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Yeah, that's pretty much as far as I got with it.
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But he also used the term something like psychoneuroimmunology, if
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that makes any sense. It doesn't. Anyway, he then tells
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me to hold my hand and he starts to place
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objects in them. Oh, God, this has all got a
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bit Jimmy Savile. He tells me that I'm holding a
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banana and he wants me to crush it. Well, each
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to their own, I suppose. I squeeze the banana and
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I feel it squish like a banana. I hear everyone
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start murmuring in disbelief. I have no idea what they
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placed in my hand, but I do know it sure
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as hell wasn't a banana. And that's impressive, isn't it?
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It's not often in sort of a spy novel that
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you get the word banana four or five times in
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one sentence, but Andy Pirro managed it. It turns out
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that this Dr. Perizzo has given him a potentially lethal
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dose of sodium pentothal. And the plan was, Basically, this
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is used as like a truth serum. As to its
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practical use in real life, it's debated. But in sort
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of spy novels, it's the thing that gets people to talk.
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And the plan was apparently to get Andy to confess
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to taking steroids, because if he had confessed to taking steroids,
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then nobody would have been cross with Dr. Prizzo and
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this mysterious psychologist for kidnapping and drugging a child. which
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is essentially what Andy is. I think he's, what, 18
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at this time? I forget. Dr. Parizzo offers to basically,
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because they're all starting to panic a bit now. It's like, what?
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You've given him this lethal dose of sodium pentothal. He
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might die. Oh, my God. What will we do? And Dr.
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Parizzo has a solution of sorts. What he offers to
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do is to basically give Andy a lobotomy. turn him
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into a brain dead person so that he has no
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way of telling people, which is, you know, it doesn't
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make any sense to me because they, they, they like
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worried that he's going to die. And he, his suggestion is, well,
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what if I just put an ice pick through his
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eye into his brain? You know, I mean, I say
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it out loud now, and I think actually like how
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many times that's been the solution. It's just good. You know,
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it's just one of those sort of, universal things isn't
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it now anyway the wife uh the sexy wife she
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says no don't give him a um a lobotomy no
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don't give him a lobotomy that's ridiculous and the obvious
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question is why do they care why do they care
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this much if and he's taking steroids or not like
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apparently he's doing a thesis on it but is his
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thesis really that important as we've discussed there's no way
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any reputable university would take a thesis where it's like
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And who was this test subject? Oh, this was a
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neighbourhood boy that I was spying on. It doesn't go
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down well in academia. So whatever. They've kidnapped this kid.
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They've essentially intimated that they're going to give him lurid sex.
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And then they drug and interrogate him before considering lobotomising
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or possibly murdering this boy. lad because he might have
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done a course of Dianabol or something like that. It
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all seems a little bit over the top, to be
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quite honest, and a little bit incoherent and a little
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bit made up. But who am I to argue? So anyway,
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the psychologist hypnotizes him with a ball on a string
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and he wakes up at home and they basically forget
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the lethal overdose of sodium pentothal. It all sort of
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just works out. But a few days later, he remembers
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being in a hotel with psychologists and crushing things with
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his bare hands, like showing superhuman strength. And it's clear
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that the experimentation that the, uh, the psychologist and Dr.
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Perizzo was, were doing and continuing to do on Andy
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were deadly, deadly serious because a couple of nights later,
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after he ran all of his tests, it was then
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that Dr. Perizzo's turn took place. And so like finally Dr.
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Parizzo is like, this kid's called him, caused him a
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lot of like upset, like it's damaged his thesis. It's,
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he's sort of embarrassed him whilst he was like, you know,
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interrogating him naked in front of people from the school. It's,
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you know, it's a complex relationship. And so now Dr.
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Parizzo gets a chance to have a bit of revenge.
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He makes me act like a monkey and try and
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lick myself. I remember jumping around the room, stretching like
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a monkey and feeling very stupid as they laughed at me.
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And then he made me act like a chicken and
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he does many other things to humiliate me. This goes
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on for hours. So, sorry, let's, let's pretend for a
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second that this is real. Like when they turn him
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over to whoever it is that they work for and
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they explain what they've been doing with him, it's like, um,
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So how was the test subject? Yeah, yeah, not bad.
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We did a bit of a cagey bit where we
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nearly killed him with sodium panthethol. But other than that,
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it's been pretty good. So have you done anything weird?
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I mean, define weird. I mean, you know, I did
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make him, I made him act like a monkey for
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hours and, you know, lick himself and stuff, you know,
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shit like that. That's all right, isn't it?
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I mean, that's a standard hypnotist show to me.
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Well yeah absolutely i suppose like what it is it
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is you know it's the sort of thing isn't it
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like it but it's like they're intimating that there might
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be a bigger picture going on behind the scenes and
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it's just it's just it's just nice to know that
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the illuminati or whoever it is takes time out to
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have a bit of fun isn't.
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It did they make him eat an onion and it
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tasted like an apple.
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Probably stuff like that. Like what? He didn't even think
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it was an onion. Fuck me. The potential for this
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super soldier is incredible. If we could think of a
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scenario where eating several onions, like their apples can confound
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the enemy, then I really think we're onto something here.
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But I don't want to spoil the later chapters. So
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I'm not going into that, but then this happens, Brent.
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And this is something that I, I've had to read
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this about three or four times, right?
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Okay.
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And I hate Andy Piero for this. This is to
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my mind, the most exaggerated example of, Oh no, I
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have a girlfriend, but she goes to another school that
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I've ever heard in my entire life. Now you remember
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the Turner diaries. Remember how basically like the sex scene
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was two sentences. Like this book doesn't have that problem.
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this this book is far more open with its emotions
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shall we say and um it does start to go
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a little bit 50 shades.
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Of gray super soldier erotica.
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Super soldier erotica you're damn straight like so and oh
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god andy piero.
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Come on it can't be it cannot be worse than
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the rfk junior stuff that we recently were going over
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in twats.
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It's it's quite well i'll just like i'll just just
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you know sit back prepare yourself like you know like
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get comfortable because this is happening So Andy ends up,
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the woman basically remembers that the women, they're absolutely insatiable
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for him. He's completely irresistible. And he remembers basically like this.
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So this is at the same time. So after the
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men have spent hours making him act like a monkey
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and whatnot, finally, the women who are in the room
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tell the men to get out because they now want
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to have their fun with me. The woman with the
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black hair now comes over to me. She says a
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few words to me. I don't know what they were,
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but all of a sudden I get a feeling like
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I've never felt before. I felt like an animal, territorial,
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like a primal beast. I got up and started walking
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around the hotel room, pacing back and forth. My muscles
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are all pumped up, my arms all muscled and out
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to the side, and my chest is fully expanded as
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I strut around the room. I'm lucky to defend my
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lair against any male who comes near, If I see
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another male, I will kill him. As I look over
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to one of the beds, the woman in the black
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hair is naked and on her hands and knees. She
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has her back arched and is waving her butt around
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like she is some bitch in heat. I see her
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and get an instant erection. I walk over to her,
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rip off my shorts and start, excuse the term, fucking
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the shit out of her. I pick her up like
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she's a five-year-old. and just start wailing on her and
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wailing on her. First question, why the fuck would you
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wail on a five-year-old? And second question, just why? Just why? Like,
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why does Andy Pirro need the world to know that
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he has the ability to fuck the shit out of
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hot women?
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It continues.
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I felt like a primal animal. I thought like I
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was some sort of beast from the Stone Age and
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she was loving every minute of it. I wasn't reaching climax.
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I was just nailing the shit out of this woman.
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It wasn't pleasure. I was feeling it was more of
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a territorial act, if that makes any sense.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, that makes absolute sense. Andy, thanks for clarifying. After
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a while, I pulled out and literally tossed her aside.
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When I saw Mrs. Perizzo sitting naked in a chair
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in the corner, masturbating as she watched me nail her friend.
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They have a very close relationship, apparently, these friends. I
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grab her by the hair and I throw her onto
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the bed and repeat the same procedure with Mrs. Perizzo.
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This went on for hours as the women had me
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fuck them in different positions, in their vagina, in their anus,
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carrying out every sick fantasy they had. I would do
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whatever they told me to do to them. I'm fucking
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the woman with the black hair in the chair in
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the corner. It's so hard that she's passed out. I
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didn't care. I just kept on right. I just kept
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right on going until I heard voices coming from behind me.
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Male voices. I hear what the fuck are you girls doing?
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And then I hear Mr. Perizzo say, Mrs. Perizzo say, well,
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what did you think we were going to do with him?
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I don't know. I thought you were going to make
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him act like a chicken or something. I pull out
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of the woman with the black hair and toss her
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onto the floor. I turn and see Dr. Peruzzo and
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a few other men by the door. Without thinking, I
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reach down and grab the chair by the leg with
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my left hand. I stand up and grab the other
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leg with my other hand and rip the chair apart
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like breaking a wishbone. It was like the chair was
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made out of toothpicks or something because it took no
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effort at all. I just ripped it apart and now
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I had a chair leg in my left hand and
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I tossed the rest of the chair off to the side.
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I start walking towards the men with my club, my weapon.
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There's no need for that. That's just obscene. Mrs. Perizzo
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becomes frantic and starts yelling. He will kill you. Get
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out now. He will kill you to Dr. Perizzo. And
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she runs towards me to give the men time to
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get out. I push her aside and the men are
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scurrying out of the door. They left in such a
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hurry that they didn't close the door. I wasn't running
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towards them, just walking very fast. When they left, I
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didn't go after them. I just wanted them out of
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my lair. I slammed the door closed, lock and chain
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it and toss my club aside and grab Mrs. Perizzo
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and toss her onto the bed. I remember feeling anger.
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She was disobedient and I nailed her again as hard
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as I could until she passed out too. Then the
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woman with the black hair comes over again. She's woke
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up and this goes on and on. I don't know
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how it ended, but the next thing I know is
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I'm laying on my front steps again. And again, my
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car is parked on the street and not in my drive. Right. Now,
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I don't know about you, but the immediate thing that
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springs to my mind is how long were those men
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sat in the other room in awkward silence, listening to
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the sounds of this wild orgy going on before one
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of them said, should we perhaps check on your wife?
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And why did they all go?
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Didn't he say he said ours, right?
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Yeah. Like, what did you think we were doing with him?
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I don't know. I thought you'd make him act like
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a chicken or something. This man does not know his wife.
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The other thing I was thinking during this, though, was
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maybe we got it wrong about the presidential model.
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The presidential model is actually young, hot, muscular boys. Well,
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that's certainly what Andy seems to be saying. Like, what's interesting, though,
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is that, like, and I've just sort of spotted this
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when we go back over this now, it's like, he
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hasn't started his mind control programming yet. How did they
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turn him into this, like, sexy, like, you know, fuck
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monster or whatever? Like, I mean, the women did it. Mrs.
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Perizzo did it.
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Like she's just said something triggering to him.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, absolutely. Like, you know, like, but how, how has
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she done it? Where the fuck did she learn to
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do this? Who is she? Like, oh, well, whatever. But anyway,
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so over the next few weeks, I would find myself
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stopping at the same spot about once a week. Don't
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go there then. Don't go there. I don't know why,
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but sometimes I would just pull the car over. And
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the next thing I know is I'm back in the
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hotel room. This time there are four women, Mr.
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Mr.
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Mr. So he's actually Mr. So here, which would be interesting.
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Mrs.
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So the woman with the black hair and two others
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that I've never seen before. And this again begs the question,
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like what sort of a relationship do these women have?
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How would you even approach that conversation? Like, is this
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what girls talk about when they go to the toilet
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in pairs together? They arrange orgies with like hot, muscular
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young teenagers. That must be it. That must be why they,
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you know, they object to men going in there and
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trying to listen in. It's the only thing that makes sense.
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I mean, again, like, you know, these two new women,
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Are they part of the mind control program or are
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they just like women that they know from like Bridge
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Club or whatever? Like, hi, Sandra, how you been? Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, listen,
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if you're free this weekend, we've got this bodybuilder. He's
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got the mind of a simpleton, but he's got the
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sexual appetite of a mountain gorilla. Janet and I have
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been getting smashed out of our minds by this great
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big himbo. And well, you know, if you're free, maybe
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you can even ask Margaret if she's free because she's
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having a hell of a time at the minute. Would
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you like to involve yourself in this debauchery? Yes, it
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is illegal.
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Yes.
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Yeah. Technically as a child. Yes.
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Yes. Yes.
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We will all have to be naked in the same
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room in front of each other. And we will have
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to watch each other engaging in animalistic sex acts. Well,
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if any other men turn up, he'll just most likely
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kill them, I suppose. All right, then. Well, I'll put
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you down as a strong maybe then. All right, then.
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Love to John and the kids.
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Yeah.
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Do these conversations happen? I don't know. Anyway, he's back.
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I remember feeling like an animal again. I was pounding
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one of the women against the headboard and I hear
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voices behind me. This time there are at least 10
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people watching. I see two of the women that I'd
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already had sex with on their knees, giving a blowjob
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to one of the men. I think it was the
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husband of the woman that I was screwing at the time.
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Oh my God. It's just like, it's, it is. Like
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they were absolutely right. It's wife swapping and witchcraft. That's
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what goes on in these suburban places. These sick people
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are now getting off watching me screw their wives. And again,
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I throw the woman I am screwing aside and go
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after the men. And again, the women run interference so
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the men can get out of the door. I wake
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up and I'm trying to get into the house. How
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the fuck do you have a conversation with a man? Yeah,
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you can have an orgy. Yeah, we'll do some wife swapping. Absolutely.
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You need to avoid Andrew, though, because he will kill you.
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If he sees you, he will kill you. No, no, no, no.
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Seriously.
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He will kill you yes you will have to be
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naked yes technically it's illegal yes all right anyway love
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to jane and the kids so anyway another time everything
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is black and i remember and all i remember is
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hearing god damn it he's gone soft again I struggle
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to open my eyes and I'm laying on my back
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and there's a woman on top of me. She was
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a bit heavier than the other two and not quite
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as good looking. I push her off me as I
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try and get up. As I'm coming round, immediately the
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woman with the black hair comes over to me and
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tells me to look at her in the eyes, to
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focus and to look at her. I remember looking at
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her and after that it is all black again. This
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time I wake up in the back seat of my car,
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which is parked on the street in front of my house.
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And I think that the important thing is that throughout
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all of this, Andy has managed to maintain his core misogyny,
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which is, you know, at least he's hung on to something.
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The important takeaway is this, that despite none of the
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guys at school knowing this, Andy was having lots and
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lots of sex. And he's very cool. And he only
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had sex with a slightly heavier woman because he was
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drugged because, you know, he certainly wouldn't do that otherwise.
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He could definitely pull better women than you is the
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main bullet points to take away from this portion of
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the seminar. So despite being set on going to Penn State, Andy,
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for some reason, keeps getting letters inviting him to West
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Point Naval Academy for a physical session. Now, West Point
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Naval Academy is actually a military facility and not, as
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I had initially assumed, a school dedicated to examining people's midriffs. Dr.
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Perizzo comes to my house, rings the bell and tells
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me he wants to speak with me out on the street.
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He proceeds to tell me that he has made a
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great mistake. And after rechecking my DNA pattern against the
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correct hereditary background, it turns out that I am the
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one with the superior DNA code. Who would have thought?
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In fact, he says, we used your code to determine
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dominance of some unknown markers. A few days after that, Dr.
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Prizzo shows up again and he tells me to walk
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with him to the street. He tells me that he's
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been discussing it with the psychologist and that my mind
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functions in such a way in the subconscious that he
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can make me the most powerful man in the world.
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He then tells me to go and get into his car.
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He wants to take me to his office to do this.
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And I say, really? I'll go. But only if my
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mother comes with me. Can my mother come with me?
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He says that this is just between us men. And
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I tell him to go fuck himself and start walking
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towards my house. He starts talking. You're a very smart kid.
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You had a 50-50 chance. We were going to get
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drunk and then decide whether to make you the most
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powerful man in the world or give you a lobotomy.
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because that's the sort of decision that needs to be
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made when drunk. I stop and turn to him and say,
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do you really think actually says, do you really think
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I'm going to believe you when you tell me that
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you are going to make me the most powerful man
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in the world? You might do this, but only if
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you could control me, if you could not control me,
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then you would have to destroy me. Do you think
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I'm stupid? Now get the fuck out of here before
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I call the cops. And he then says, you're one
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smart kid. And he gets in his car and he
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drives away. So I'm confused at this point, right? Because
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I thought he was in this program because of his parents. Like,
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you know, that's why he went to the strange school.
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They were doing the favor for his dad. Who are
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these military men that have been following for ages? Who
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the fuck is this Dr. Perizzo fellow? Like, like seriously,
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like it doesn't, doesn't actually make any sense, but, but hey, ho.
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So that's chapter one. Yeah.
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It feels like they scouted him because of his parents
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being in the military and then kept an eye on
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him as he went through high school.
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So, but then there's other doctors discovered with a technique
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that we must remember doesn't exist, but he has superior DNA.
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So again, yet another example of where Andy is just
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the best at things without people realizing it. But, So
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chapter two, despite being offered a scholarship at Penn State
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for some reason, his father refuses him to let him
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go there and threatens to cut him off completely and
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never speak to him again unless he goes to Rochester University.
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And he did actually go to Rochester University. So, you know,
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but the only reason he didn't go to Penn State,
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prestigious Penn State, was because for some reason his father
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threatened him. I remember this as clear as day because
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after that, I remember I swore that I would never
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let anyone tell me what to do with my life again.
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The strange thing is that's not how he remembers it
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at all. He denies ever saying that to me. But
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I remember specifically because I was heartbroken that I wasn't
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going to Penn State. The strange thing is I remember
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my father about the same time making a joke that
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even though he'd been out of the Navy for 15 years,
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for some reason, they wanted him to come in and
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give him a physical. But he doesn't remember saying that either.
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I'll put a pin in that because that might be
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a bit of a pattern. Andy joins the football team,
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the American football team, and his roommate is also on
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the team. And he's a huge guy named Brian who
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does steroids, apparently. I get an odd message stating that
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the dean of the psychology department wants to see me.
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So I go to see him. I sit in the
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high back green leather chair and I'm facing him as
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he is sitting under the big desk. He asks me
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if I would like to participate in some kind of
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special study that the university is conducting. It's a minefield,
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isn't it? Because everybody approaching Andy sounds like they're trying
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to seduce him. And like, you know, a majority of
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them aren't. They're trying to get him into mind control programs.
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Whether he was disappointed or not, it doesn't really explain.
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But anyway, I tell him, have you ever heard of
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a Dr. Perizzo? And his face, and this is the
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dean of the psychology department, remember, suddenly becomes white and expressionless.
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I could tell that he had. And at that moment,
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I hear a very slight creak from behind my left shoulder.
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I get out of the chair and there's a small
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door on the wall. I open it. And inside this closet,
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the dean has a wet bar. But there, crouching on
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the floor, is Dr. Perizzo. I instantly grab him by
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the throat. And I tell him that if I ever
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see him again, I'm going to kill him. He starts
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to beg for his life. And I throw him into
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the bar. I walk over to the dean's desk. And
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from the bottom, I pick it up and flip it over.
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And I yell something at him like, you stay away
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from me, you lying fucking piece of shit. And I
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run out of the cupboard. Why exactly was Dr. Perizzo
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hiding in the cupboard? Like, what did he need to
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hear that couldn't have been explained to him afterwards? Like,
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why is he there? He's a fucking orthopedic surgeon. Anyway,
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never mind. A few days after that, I get a
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third message from him telling me that if I don't
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come to see him, he's going to throw me out
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of the school. That's not something that he would have
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the power to do, but never mind. I'm saying to myself,
477
00:27:55.059 --> 00:27:59.240
fuck this. But Brian, that's his roommate, is insisting that
478
00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:01.819
I go. Dude, he's going to throw you out of
479
00:28:01.900 --> 00:28:06.940
school and do whatever he says. Fuck you, I tell Brian.
480
00:28:07.509 --> 00:28:09.460
I decide to go in and give this asshole a
481
00:28:09.509 --> 00:28:12.210
piece of my mind. As I walk to his office,
482
00:28:12.470 --> 00:28:15.529
I'm furious and I'm going to kick his ass. I
483
00:28:15.549 --> 00:28:20.190
remember walking in, but I don't remember leaving. After that,
484
00:28:20.430 --> 00:28:22.849
I was a different person. I felt like I had
485
00:28:22.950 --> 00:28:26.269
blinders on. Tunnel vision. I remember people that thought I
486
00:28:26.309 --> 00:28:28.950
was the biggest asshole because they would say hello to
487
00:28:29.009 --> 00:28:31.049
me as I would walk to class and I would
488
00:28:31.089 --> 00:28:34.319
walk right by them like they weren't even there. I
489
00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:37.740
was off in my own little world, oblivious to my surroundings.
490
00:28:39.259 --> 00:28:41.200
But you must you must realize that he wasn't an
491
00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:45.019
asshole or socially awkward. He was actually secretly extremely cool
492
00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:47.460
and doing all the sex on hot women. So whatever
493
00:28:47.500 --> 00:28:52.619
you remember about him from this time at university, you're wrong.
494
00:28:54.660 --> 00:28:58.460
Andy gets really nervous around this room that he sort
495
00:28:58.500 --> 00:29:04.900
of discovers in the university, which is labelled Room 101.
496
00:29:04.900 --> 00:29:08.440
Although sometimes it's labelled as the janitor's office and people
497
00:29:08.460 --> 00:29:10.789
will tell you that there is no room 101 at
498
00:29:10.829 --> 00:29:14.710
this university. There is just a janitor's office. But Andy
499
00:29:14.750 --> 00:29:20.069
remembers it being Room 101. Looking back and trying to
500
00:29:20.109 --> 00:29:22.569
piece all of this together, this is what I believe happened.
501
00:29:23.259 --> 00:29:25.619
either on my second visit to the dean's office or
502
00:29:25.660 --> 00:29:29.200
at some point after they somehow hypnotized me. I can't
503
00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:32.160
remember exactly where or when, but I believe that they
504
00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:36.170
instructed me to go to that particular room, room 101
505
00:29:36.170 --> 00:29:39.049
at a certain time on a certain day every week.
506
00:29:39.309 --> 00:29:41.740
And I would just go. without thinking or knowing anything
507
00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:45.549
about it this is where all the initial groundwork programming
508
00:29:45.589 --> 00:29:48.549
hypnotic suggestion or brainwashing or whatever you want to call
509
00:29:48.609 --> 00:29:51.069
it took place so again so like how did those
510
00:29:51.150 --> 00:29:53.190
women manage to sort of like turn him into that
511
00:29:53.329 --> 00:29:58.180
like sex athlete like never mind I say this because
512
00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:01.190
after visiting the room, I started having these memory flashes,
513
00:30:01.390 --> 00:30:05.390
like a five-second clip of a 10-minute movie. In the room,
514
00:30:05.650 --> 00:30:08.730
I remember laying there. We discussed my silver mind control
515
00:30:09.349 --> 00:30:13.369
as well as many other things. The instructor instructs me
516
00:30:13.410 --> 00:30:15.710
how to go to my level, and then he would
517
00:30:15.730 --> 00:30:20.430
begin his work. Implanting the various different ideas and suggesting
518
00:30:20.470 --> 00:30:24.910
that they were researching with my reactions and responses. For
519
00:30:24.970 --> 00:30:30.410
some reason, the library also gives me the creeps. And
520
00:30:30.430 --> 00:30:34.279
this started me thinking, like, obviously the Room 101 is
521
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:38.279
a reference to 1984 and, you know, the room where
522
00:30:38.339 --> 00:30:42.319
all your worst fears come true. But something struck me
523
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:45.660
about Room 101 is that not only is it the
524
00:30:45.700 --> 00:30:49.609
place where all your worst fears come true, but as
525
00:30:49.710 --> 00:30:53.640
it's labelled Room 101, it's on the first floor. And
526
00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:57.740
this will require an undignified Trek up some fucking stairs
527
00:30:58.059 --> 00:31:00.740
before you even get in there to begin being tortured.
528
00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:07.339
That is just crushing. Anyway, in this room, one Oh one,
529
00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:10.029
they use his silver mind control to have him imagine
530
00:31:10.140 --> 00:31:15.630
a healing pool where he can recover from any injury. Um,
531
00:31:15.769 --> 00:31:18.269
so what he, that big pool, he gets in, it's
532
00:31:18.769 --> 00:31:24.319
like lies in there floating around basically. And, uh, miraculously
533
00:31:24.539 --> 00:31:27.720
heals himself. Now, I don't want to make it seem
534
00:31:27.779 --> 00:31:30.759
like I am in any way attempting to discredit the
535
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:35.240
substance of Andy's story. Heavens no. But I will just
536
00:31:35.309 --> 00:31:38.809
mention that this healing pool in many ways calls to
537
00:31:38.849 --> 00:31:43.869
mind the swimming pool in the 1985 film Cocoon, which
538
00:31:43.990 --> 00:31:47.329
was extremely well known at the time and in fact
539
00:31:47.509 --> 00:31:50.250
spawned a sequel in the film. In case people haven't
540
00:31:50.269 --> 00:31:53.950
seen it, the pool in question is had aliens alien
541
00:31:54.099 --> 00:31:57.960
eggs essentially in it and it allowed people to rejuvenate
542
00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:01.440
even to the point of de-aging and it could in
543
00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:05.480
all reasonable terms be described as a healing pool which
544
00:32:05.539 --> 00:32:09.640
is a bizarre quirk of fate that uh andrew also
545
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:13.730
encountered one there are other suggestions as well of course
546
00:32:13.769 --> 00:32:15.910
like telling me how to turn on and turn off
547
00:32:15.950 --> 00:32:19.069
my pain receptors like a light switch How to control
548
00:32:19.130 --> 00:32:21.230
my adrenaline glands and how to be able to turn
549
00:32:21.269 --> 00:32:24.690
them on and off like a faucet. How to control fear.
550
00:32:25.190 --> 00:32:26.940
I also remember them testing me a lot with these
551
00:32:27.019 --> 00:32:29.819
puzzle blocks. I had to assemble and match the pictures,
552
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:35.000
connect the dots for time, word association, all kinds of
553
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:38.880
these mind puzzle, IQ testing type puzzles. And that is
554
00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:43.799
what I remember from Room 101. The small lab I
555
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:48.019
remember being tied to a metal table and then placing... Sorry,
556
00:32:48.039 --> 00:32:50.900
this is poorly written. The small lab I remember being
557
00:32:50.980 --> 00:32:53.619
tied to a metal table and then placing electrodes on
558
00:32:53.660 --> 00:32:57.220
my body. They began to shock me at different intervals
559
00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:01.380
and increase the voltage when I wouldn't cooperate with them.
560
00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:04.640
That's obviously supposed to be cooperate. The thing is, these
561
00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:07.980
insolent bastards kept asking me, why are you so hostile
562
00:33:08.019 --> 00:33:11.019
towards us? Why are you fighting us? And my answers
563
00:33:11.059 --> 00:33:16.200
would always be, if you think I'm hostile now, just
564
00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:21.829
wait until I get loose, you Nazi motherfuckers. I tried
565
00:33:22.190 --> 00:33:24.390
my best to be brave and I fought back with
566
00:33:24.470 --> 00:33:27.150
all I had. When I came to, I found myself
567
00:33:27.230 --> 00:33:29.109
tied to a chair with my hands tied behind me.
568
00:33:29.490 --> 00:33:31.950
They began working me over. I know I had to
569
00:33:31.990 --> 00:33:34.210
be drugged because the punches for some reason didn't hurt.
570
00:33:34.750 --> 00:33:36.930
They always wore gloves or hit me with rubber hoses
571
00:33:37.230 --> 00:33:39.650
so as to not leave any marks. And the more
572
00:33:39.670 --> 00:33:42.519
they hit me, the more it didn't hurt. There's also
573
00:33:42.579 --> 00:33:45.559
a metal cart next to me, all kinds of surgical
574
00:33:45.619 --> 00:33:47.900
instruments on it. There were all kinds of syringes on
575
00:33:47.930 --> 00:33:50.829
there as well. This is also why I assumed that
576
00:33:50.849 --> 00:33:54.769
they drugged me. I remember then placing needles in my
577
00:33:54.930 --> 00:33:57.750
eyeballs and also in my eardrum in order to shock
578
00:33:57.809 --> 00:34:00.630
me into submission. They beat me in a small room
579
00:34:00.710 --> 00:34:04.900
several times. I remember Mr. Green was there, this Nazi
580
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:10.320
guy and his buddies. Now I am the last person
581
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:13.059
that would want to wish to make light of such
582
00:34:13.099 --> 00:34:18.909
an obviously horrific and genuinely real situation but some people
583
00:34:18.989 --> 00:34:23.780
may have noticed certain similarities to the comic book character
584
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:30.199
Captain America now Captain America is Stephen Steve Rogers born
585
00:34:30.340 --> 00:34:32.699
in 1920s to an impoverished family on the Lower East
586
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:36.559
Side of New York City oh this frail and infirm
587
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:38.960
Rogers attempts to join the US Army in order to
588
00:34:39.019 --> 00:34:41.960
fight in the Second World War but he's rejected after
589
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:45.090
being deemed unfit for military service So his resolve is
590
00:34:45.130 --> 00:34:48.150
nevertheless noticed by the military and is recruited as the
591
00:34:48.230 --> 00:34:52.780
first test subject for Project Rebirth. Now, this is a
592
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:56.300
secret government program that seeks to create super soldiers through
593
00:34:56.320 --> 00:35:00.099
the development of a super soldier serum. Though the serum
594
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:04.280
successfully enhances Rogers to the peak of human physical perfection,
595
00:35:04.909 --> 00:35:08.710
there's this Nazi spy posing as a military observer who
596
00:35:08.789 --> 00:35:11.730
destroys all the remaining supply of this serum and assassinates
597
00:35:11.789 --> 00:35:15.530
its inventor, which basically foils plans to produce additional super soldiers.
598
00:35:16.230 --> 00:35:19.550
But Rogers is given a patriotic uniform and a shield
599
00:35:19.909 --> 00:35:24.309
by the American government and becomes the costume superhero Captain America.
600
00:35:25.150 --> 00:35:28.789
So the super soldier serum, which is injected greatly enhanced
601
00:35:29.090 --> 00:35:34.469
Captain America's strength, his speed, his agility, his endurance, his reflexes,
602
00:35:34.489 --> 00:35:39.389
his reaction time, and his natural self healing ability. Additionally,
603
00:35:39.730 --> 00:35:43.369
He's a master tactician and field commander and a master
604
00:35:43.429 --> 00:35:47.480
of numerous forms of martial arts. Now, in it, basically,
605
00:35:47.500 --> 00:35:50.159
there's this guy called Heinz Kruger. Heinz Kruger is a
606
00:35:50.179 --> 00:35:54.059
Nazi spy who assassinates Avraham Erskine, who's the inventor of
607
00:35:54.099 --> 00:35:57.360
the super soldier serum and destroys all the rest of
608
00:35:57.400 --> 00:36:02.889
the supply in Captain America, the first Avenger. So he
609
00:36:02.969 --> 00:36:06.199
operates as an undercover operative for Hydra and Nazi Germany,
610
00:36:06.340 --> 00:36:09.659
and he infiltrates the secret Brooklyn facility where Steve Rogers
611
00:36:09.699 --> 00:36:15.619
undergoes his transformation. Immediately after the successful experiment, Kruger shoots Dr.
612
00:36:15.739 --> 00:36:19.300
Erskine and detonates an explosive to destroy the lab's equipment
613
00:36:19.420 --> 00:36:23.110
and the remaining files of the serum. So there's obvious
614
00:36:23.409 --> 00:36:27.469
comparisons already to Captain America, which obviously was a popular
615
00:36:27.510 --> 00:36:32.590
comic at the time. And there's going to be some there, again,
616
00:36:32.630 --> 00:36:35.190
that are going to be apparent as the story goes on.
617
00:36:36.150 --> 00:36:39.369
And he continues. I know they were Nazis because I
618
00:36:39.409 --> 00:36:41.849
have a very keen eye when judging people. And this
619
00:36:41.929 --> 00:36:45.329
guy just didn't seem to be an American. Judgy, judgy, judgy.
620
00:36:46.389 --> 00:36:48.820
He was the guy in charge. Hang on. I knew
621
00:36:48.889 --> 00:36:50.889
he was a Nazi because I have a keen eye
622
00:36:50.929 --> 00:36:54.099
when judging people. He just dripped with Nazism. I could
623
00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:57.440
just tell that he had extremely far right political ideology
624
00:36:57.500 --> 00:37:01.090
by the way he looked. to be fair, he could have,
625
00:37:01.329 --> 00:37:03.139
I don't know. He could have had a swastika tattooed
626
00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:06.280
on his forehead or something. He was the guy in
627
00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:08.440
charge and he ordered another guy to come over and
628
00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:10.900
to start to work on me. The guy that came
629
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:13.820
up started beating me and I made rude comments about
630
00:37:13.860 --> 00:37:16.789
his attire. He was wearing a yellow short sleeve shirt
631
00:37:16.829 --> 00:37:20.030
in Rochester, New York after labor day. So I start
632
00:37:20.170 --> 00:37:23.230
sassing him about his shirt and how only two types
633
00:37:23.269 --> 00:37:26.210
of people would wear a yellow short sleeve shirt in Rochester.
634
00:37:26.789 --> 00:37:29.699
Either he is a homosexual or, or he's a foreigner
635
00:37:29.739 --> 00:37:32.519
who's trying to look American. It's one of the basic
636
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:35.969
slip-ups that spies make, a fashion blunder. And he was
637
00:37:36.030 --> 00:37:40.110
probably German, because Germans like their pastels. That, along with
638
00:37:40.130 --> 00:37:42.349
the psychotic look in his eye that told me he
639
00:37:42.389 --> 00:37:45.730
was some sort of type of master race genetic freak.
640
00:37:47.369 --> 00:37:50.679
He's still, again, good to see that Andy has retained
641
00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:54.420
his healthy sense of homophobia there. Like, there's some things
642
00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:57.880
that you just can't take away from him. But it
643
00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:01.280
could be both. Or it could be neither. How the
644
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:05.460
fuck has Andy, who's like an 18-year-old student, got a
645
00:38:05.500 --> 00:38:10.360
knowledge of spycraft and Germans? I don't wish to be rude,
646
00:38:10.409 --> 00:38:15.210
but most Americans of that age probably haven't been abroad
647
00:38:15.250 --> 00:38:19.630
and wouldn't be interested in like, I can tell by
648
00:38:19.650 --> 00:38:22.929
your pastel shirt that you are not from around here.
649
00:38:22.949 --> 00:38:28.929
He grew up in Munich, didn't he?
650
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:33.099
Yes, he did, actually. Yeah, good point. Maybe that's it.
651
00:38:33.139 --> 00:38:35.639
Maybe he just recognizes the German. Can you spot a
652
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:42.099
German from, like, 200 yards? Is that how it works?
653
00:38:44.190 --> 00:38:46.550
Yeah, maybe. Maybe not today, but.
654
00:38:50.619 --> 00:38:52.510
Like in the 90s i could have maybe done it
655
00:38:52.690 --> 00:38:53.949
you know.
656
00:38:53.750 --> 00:38:57.989
If they're wearing lederhosen i suppose like but like but
657
00:38:58.230 --> 00:38:59.050
uh if not.
658
00:38:58.869 --> 00:39:00.789
But sometimes you do look at people and you're like
659
00:39:00.889 --> 00:39:03.550
oh they're from this place or you look like you're
660
00:39:03.650 --> 00:39:08.260
dutch or you look like you're something maybe you know
661
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:08.630
i mean i.
662
00:39:08.590 --> 00:39:17.579
Suppose yeah potentially uh yeah maybe who knows They continue
663
00:39:17.619 --> 00:39:20.380
beating Andy up and he feels no pain because, you know,
664
00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:26.650
obviously he's crushingly cool. So the Nazi goes and gets
665
00:39:26.730 --> 00:39:30.309
a baseball bat, whether it was a baseball bat. bat
666
00:39:30.329 --> 00:39:33.320
that they just have in the laboratory whether he brought
667
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:35.059
it with him whether he had to go out to
668
00:39:35.099 --> 00:39:37.480
his car to get it uh whether he goes to
669
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:40.099
the shop and buys one it is not entirely clear
670
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:46.239
so he goes over to get a baseball bat off
671
00:39:46.260 --> 00:39:48.079
the metal shelf and he's going to hit me with
672
00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:51.019
it That's when I really feared for my life and
673
00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:54.059
I pulled at my ropes with all my strength. Somehow
674
00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:57.219
I broke free. I spent a few seconds getting the
675
00:39:57.260 --> 00:39:59.440
ropes off and everyone seemed to be in shock that
676
00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:01.780
I'd broke out of the chair and they all sort
677
00:40:01.820 --> 00:40:05.050
of stood around. I go after the Nazi who's been
678
00:40:05.090 --> 00:40:08.090
beating me and who had the bat. I feel literally
679
00:40:08.130 --> 00:40:10.489
that I'm fighting for my life and to this day
680
00:40:10.550 --> 00:40:12.590
I don't know where I got the strength but they
681
00:40:12.650 --> 00:40:14.809
all jumped on me and I flung them off me
682
00:40:15.130 --> 00:40:17.809
like they were five-year-olds. I got to the guy with
683
00:40:17.829 --> 00:40:20.239
the bat Punched him once he dropped the bat. I
684
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:22.579
picked him up and struck him twice in the head
685
00:40:22.900 --> 00:40:26.139
whilst his head was pressed against the table, basically crushing
686
00:40:26.199 --> 00:40:29.800
his skull. I started swinging the bat and I hit
687
00:40:29.940 --> 00:40:32.460
two other guys in the head with the bat. And
688
00:40:32.500 --> 00:40:34.530
I saw lots of blood coming from their head as
689
00:40:34.570 --> 00:40:36.869
they lay on the floor. Then they all rush over
690
00:40:36.909 --> 00:40:39.050
to me at once and they're trying to pin me down,
691
00:40:39.289 --> 00:40:41.630
but they cannot. And I managed to get over to
692
00:40:41.650 --> 00:40:44.610
the only window in the room. I throw it open.
693
00:40:44.710 --> 00:40:47.010
I'm about to leap out and I see where I am.
694
00:40:47.500 --> 00:40:51.260
I look out and it's straight down at least 100 feet.
695
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:54.989
So two things to take from that. One, Andy's killed
696
00:40:55.050 --> 00:40:59.369
three people. And two, I threw them around like a five-year-old.
697
00:40:59.630 --> 00:41:02.929
What is this weird obsession he's got with five-year-olds and
698
00:41:02.989 --> 00:41:06.619
how easily they could be flung around the place? It
699
00:41:06.659 --> 00:41:12.000
does seem a bit odd. You're not going to believe this. Oh, no, Andy.
700
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:15.159
And I know that it sounds crazy. No, Andy, go on.
701
00:41:15.829 --> 00:41:17.670
But I am in the top of the library looking
702
00:41:17.710 --> 00:41:19.750
down at the ball field. I know it was the
703
00:41:19.789 --> 00:41:22.670
library first from the view, and second from the shape
704
00:41:22.710 --> 00:41:25.550
of the room. One side was almost rounded, and now
705
00:41:25.590 --> 00:41:27.760
with the view, there is only one place it could be,
706
00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:29.739
and that is the top of the library. Sorry, this
707
00:41:29.780 --> 00:41:33.219
is very badly written. I knocked out several more guys,
708
00:41:33.340 --> 00:41:35.500
but then there was just too many of them, and
709
00:41:35.539 --> 00:41:38.260
eventually they got me down and stuck a needle in
710
00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:41.719
my butt, and I was out. They gave.
711
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:45.639
You'd think they'd figure this out and just have somebody
712
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:49.159
stood ready next to his, his ass with a needle
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in case it all went wrong to just, you know,
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knock him out. But, oh, well, I suppose it's a
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learning process for them as well. They gave me several
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beatings and several electric shock sessions there. Then all I
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remember of the sessions, that's all I remember of the
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sessions was, They were trying to break me, but I
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wouldn't let them. So the beatings continued at night. I
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remember telling my roommate the next morning that I felt
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like my face had been hit by a truck, but
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I had no idea why my face was hurting. I
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thought he felt no pain. That's a bit of an
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error there, isn't it? But thank heavens that he can
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remember the specifics of him being a cool super soldier.
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We're extremely fortunate that he recalls it in such a
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cinematic manner.
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Thank you.
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Some Dare Call It Conspiracy.
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Welcome to the Some Dare Call It Conspiracy podcast, hosted
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by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders. After nearly 20 years
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exploring the world of conspiracy culture, we're taking our guests
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and listeners on a guided tour of the rabbit hole.
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Our mission?
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To discover where the truth lies.
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So Andy wakes up in a hotel room and Dr.
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Perizzo is there and he's aggressively questioning him again about
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his steroid use. But it's not entirely clear why this
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man is so obsessed with because apparently he's an orthopedic surgeon.
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using Andy as his sort of yardstick, essentially, so that
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his own son, he could sort of track his quality DNA.
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But unfortunately, it was wrong because he assumed that Andy
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was Italian. It's bullshit. It's absolute bullshit. But anyway, And
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he goes on to explain to this doctor that he
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grows his muscles with mind control, with the silver mind
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control method. And he literally just wills his muscles. He
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envisages them becoming bigger. And when he comes out of trance,
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they are bigger. And he continues, I hear the psychologist
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yelling at Dr. Peruzzo. And you want to give this
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kid a lobotomy? I could make a fucking career out
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of this kid. He said something like, I was the
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greatest psychophysiological example that I had the greatest autogenic abilities
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that he's ever seen. Or something like that. Or something
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like that is in brackets. Because, you know, despite being
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fucking devastatingly cool, Andy is also quite humble.
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That reminds me of you trying to pronounce the Jedha
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Mind Tricks album. You were like, psychosocial, something like that.
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that makes any sense. It doesn't. Anyway, he then tells
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me to hold my hand and he starts to place
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objects in them. Oh, God, this has all got a
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bit Jimmy Savile. He tells me that I'm holding a
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banana and he wants me to crush it. Well, each
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to their own, I suppose. I squeeze the banana and
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I feel it squish like a banana. I hear everyone
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start murmuring in disbelief. I have no idea what they
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placed in my hand, but I do know it sure
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as hell wasn't a banana. And that's impressive, isn't it?
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It's not often in sort of a spy novel that
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you get the word banana four or five times in
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one sentence, but Andy Pirro managed it. It turns out
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that this Dr. Perizzo has given him a potentially lethal
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dose of sodium pentothal. And the plan was, Basically, this
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is used as like a truth serum. As to its
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practical use in real life, it's debated. But in sort
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of spy novels, it's the thing that gets people to talk.
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to taking steroids, because if he had confessed to taking steroids,
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then nobody would have been cross with Dr. Prizzo and
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this mysterious psychologist for kidnapping and drugging a child. which
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is essentially what Andy is. I think he's, what, 18
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at this time? I forget. Dr. Parizzo offers to basically,
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because they're all starting to panic a bit now. It's like, what?
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You've given him this lethal dose of sodium pentothal. He
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might die. Oh, my God. What will we do? And Dr.
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Parizzo has a solution of sorts. What he offers to
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do is to basically give Andy a lobotomy. turn him
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into a brain dead person so that he has no
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way of telling people, which is, you know, it doesn't
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make any sense to me because they, they, they like
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worried that he's going to die. And he, his suggestion is, well,
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what if I just put an ice pick through his
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eye into his brain? You know, I mean, I say
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it out loud now, and I think actually like how
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many times that's been the solution. It's just good. You know,
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it's just one of those sort of, universal things isn't
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it now anyway the wife uh the sexy wife she
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says no don't give him a um a lobotomy no
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don't give him a lobotomy that's ridiculous and the obvious
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question is why do they care why do they care
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this much if and he's taking steroids or not like
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apparently he's doing a thesis on it but is his
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thesis really that important as we've discussed there's no way
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any reputable university would take a thesis where it's like
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neighbourhood boy that I was spying on. It doesn't go
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down well in academia. So whatever. They've kidnapped this kid.
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or possibly murdering this boy. lad because he might have
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done a course of Dianabol or something like that. It
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all seems a little bit over the top, to be
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quite honest, and a little bit incoherent and a little
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bit made up. But who am I to argue? So anyway,
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the psychologist hypnotizes him with a ball on a string
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the lethal overdose of sodium pentothal. It all sort of
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just works out. But a few days later, he remembers
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being in a hotel with psychologists and crushing things with
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his bare hands, like showing superhuman strength. And it's clear
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that the experimentation that the, uh, the psychologist and Dr.
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Perizzo was, were doing and continuing to do on Andy
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were deadly, deadly serious because a couple of nights later,
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after he ran all of his tests, it was then
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that Dr. Perizzo's turn took place. And so like finally Dr.
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lot of like upset, like it's damaged his thesis. It's,
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he's sort of embarrassed him whilst he was like, you know,
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interrogating him naked in front of people from the school. It's,
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you know, it's a complex relationship. And so now Dr.
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Parizzo gets a chance to have a bit of revenge.
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He makes me act like a monkey and try and
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lick myself. I remember jumping around the room, stretching like
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a monkey and feeling very stupid as they laughed at me.
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he does many other things to humiliate me. This goes
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on for hours. So, sorry, let's, let's pretend for a
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second that this is real. Like when they turn him
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over to whoever it is that they work for and
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they explain what they've been doing with him, it's like, um,
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So how was the test subject? Yeah, yeah, not bad.
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We did a bit of a cagey bit where we
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nearly killed him with sodium panthethol. But other than that,
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it's been pretty good. So have you done anything weird?
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I mean, define weird. I mean, you know, I did
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make him, I made him act like a monkey for
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hours and, you know, lick himself and stuff, you know,
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shit like that. That's all right, isn't it?
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is you know it's the sort of thing isn't it
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like it but it's like they're intimating that there might
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be a bigger picture going on behind the scenes and
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it's just it's just it's just nice to know that
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the illuminati or whoever it is takes time out to
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have a bit of fun isn't.
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It did they make him eat an onion and it
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tasted like an apple.
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Probably stuff like that. Like what? He didn't even think
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it was an onion. Fuck me. The potential for this
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super soldier is incredible. If we could think of a
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scenario where eating several onions, like their apples can confound
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the enemy, then I really think we're onto something here.
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I'm not going into that, but then this happens, Brent.
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this about three or four times, right?
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Okay.
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And I hate Andy Piero for this. This is to
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my mind, the most exaggerated example of, Oh no, I
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have a girlfriend, but she goes to another school that
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I've ever heard in my entire life. Now you remember
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the Turner diaries. Remember how basically like the sex scene
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was two sentences. Like this book doesn't have that problem.
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this this book is far more open with its emotions
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shall we say and um it does start to go
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a little bit 50 shades.
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Of gray super soldier erotica.
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Super soldier erotica you're damn straight like so and oh
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god andy piero.
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Come on it can't be it cannot be worse than
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the rfk junior stuff that we recently were going over
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in twats.
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you know sit back prepare yourself like you know like
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get comfortable because this is happening So Andy ends up,
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the woman basically remembers that the women, they're absolutely insatiable
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for him. He's completely irresistible. And he remembers basically like this.
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men have spent hours making him act like a monkey
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and whatnot, finally, the women who are in the room
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tell the men to get out because they now want
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to have their fun with me. The woman with the
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black hair now comes over to me. She says a
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few words to me. I don't know what they were,
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I've never felt before. I felt like an animal, territorial,
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like a primal beast. I got up and started walking
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around the hotel room, pacing back and forth. My muscles
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are all pumped up, my arms all muscled and out
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to the side, and my chest is fully expanded as
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I strut around the room. I'm lucky to defend my
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lair against any male who comes near, If I see
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another male, I will kill him. As I look over
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to one of the beds, the woman in the black
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hair is naked and on her hands and knees. She
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has her back arched and is waving her butt around
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like she is some bitch in heat. I see her
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rip off my shorts and start, excuse the term, fucking
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the shit out of her. I pick her up like
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she's a five-year-old. and just start wailing on her and
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wailing on her. First question, why the fuck would you
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wail on a five-year-old? And second question, just why? Just why? Like,
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why does Andy Pirro need the world to know that
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he has the ability to fuck the shit out of
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hot women?
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I felt like a primal animal. I thought like I
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was some sort of beast from the Stone Age and
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she was loving every minute of it. I wasn't reaching climax.
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I was just nailing the shit out of this woman.
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Yeah, that makes absolute sense. Andy, thanks for clarifying. After
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a while, I pulled out and literally tossed her aside.
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in the corner, masturbating as she watched me nail her friend.
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They have a very close relationship, apparently, these friends. I
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grab her by the hair and I throw her onto
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the bed and repeat the same procedure with Mrs. Perizzo.
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This went on for hours as the women had me
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fuck them in different positions, in their vagina, in their anus,
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carrying out every sick fantasy they had. I would do
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whatever they told me to do to them. I'm fucking
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the woman with the black hair in the chair in
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the corner. It's so hard that she's passed out. I
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didn't care. I just kept on right. I just kept
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right on going until I heard voices coming from behind me.
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Male voices. I hear what the fuck are you girls doing?
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what did you think we were going to do with him?
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I don't know. I thought you were going to make
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him act like a chicken or something. I pull out
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of the woman with the black hair and toss her
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onto the floor. I turn and see Dr. Peruzzo and
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a few other men by the door. Without thinking, I
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reach down and grab the chair by the leg with
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my left hand. I stand up and grab the other
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leg with my other hand and rip the chair apart
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like breaking a wishbone. It was like the chair was
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made out of toothpicks or something because it took no
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effort at all. I just ripped it apart and now
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I had a chair leg in my left hand and
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I tossed the rest of the chair off to the side.
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I start walking towards the men with my club, my weapon.
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There's no need for that. That's just obscene. Mrs. Perizzo
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becomes frantic and starts yelling. He will kill you. Get
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out now. He will kill you to Dr. Perizzo. And
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she runs towards me to give the men time to
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get out. I push her aside and the men are
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scurrying out of the door. They left in such a
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hurry that they didn't close the door. I wasn't running
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towards them, just walking very fast. When they left, I
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didn't go after them. I just wanted them out of
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my lair. I slammed the door closed, lock and chain
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it and toss my club aside and grab Mrs. Perizzo
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and toss her onto the bed. I remember feeling anger.
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She was disobedient and I nailed her again as hard
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as I could until she passed out too. Then the
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woman with the black hair comes over again. She's woke
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up and this goes on and on. I don't know
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how it ended, but the next thing I know is
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I'm laying on my front steps again. And again, my
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car is parked on the street and not in my drive. Right. Now,
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I don't know about you, but the immediate thing that
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springs to my mind is how long were those men
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sat in the other room in awkward silence, listening to
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the sounds of this wild orgy going on before one
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of them said, should we perhaps check on your wife?
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And why did they all go?
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Didn't he say he said ours, right?
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Yeah. Like, what did you think we were doing with him?
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I don't know. I thought you'd make him act like
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a chicken or something. This man does not know his wife.
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The other thing I was thinking during this, though, was
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maybe we got it wrong about the presidential model.
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The presidential model is actually young, hot, muscular boys. Well,
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that's certainly what Andy seems to be saying. Like, what's interesting, though,
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is that, like, and I've just sort of spotted this
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when we go back over this now, it's like, he
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hasn't started his mind control programming yet. How did they
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turn him into this, like, sexy, like, you know, fuck
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monster or whatever? Like, I mean, the women did it. Mrs.
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Perizzo did it.
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Like she's just said something triggering to him.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, absolutely. Like, you know, like, but how, how has
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she done it? Where the fuck did she learn to
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do this? Who is she? Like, oh, well, whatever. But anyway,
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so over the next few weeks, I would find myself
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stopping at the same spot about once a week. Don't
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go there then. Don't go there. I don't know why,
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but sometimes I would just pull the car over. And
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the next thing I know is I'm back in the
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hotel room. This time there are four women, Mr.
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Mr.
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Mr. So he's actually Mr. So here, which would be interesting.
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Mrs.
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So the woman with the black hair and two others
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that I've never seen before. And this again begs the question,
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like what sort of a relationship do these women have?
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How would you even approach that conversation? Like, is this
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what girls talk about when they go to the toilet
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in pairs together? They arrange orgies with like hot, muscular
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young teenagers. That must be it. That must be why they,
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you know, they object to men going in there and
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trying to listen in. It's the only thing that makes sense.
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I mean, again, like, you know, these two new women,
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Are they part of the mind control program or are
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they just like women that they know from like Bridge
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Club or whatever? Like, hi, Sandra, how you been? Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, listen,
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if you're free this weekend, we've got this bodybuilder. He's
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got the mind of a simpleton, but he's got the
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sexual appetite of a mountain gorilla. Janet and I have
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been getting smashed out of our minds by this great
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big himbo. And well, you know, if you're free, maybe
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you can even ask Margaret if she's free because she's
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having a hell of a time at the minute. Would
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you like to involve yourself in this debauchery? Yes, it
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is illegal.
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Yes.
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Yeah. Technically as a child. Yes.
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Yes. Yes.
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We will all have to be naked in the same
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room in front of each other. And we will have
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to watch each other engaging in animalistic sex acts. Well,
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if any other men turn up, he'll just most likely
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kill them, I suppose. All right, then. Well, I'll put
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you down as a strong maybe then. All right, then.
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Love to John and the kids.
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Yeah.
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Do these conversations happen? I don't know. Anyway, he's back.
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I remember feeling like an animal again. I was pounding
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one of the women against the headboard and I hear
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voices behind me. This time there are at least 10
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people watching. I see two of the women that I'd
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already had sex with on their knees, giving a blowjob
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to one of the men. I think it was the
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husband of the woman that I was screwing at the time.
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Oh my God. It's just like, it's, it is. Like
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they were absolutely right. It's wife swapping and witchcraft. That's
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what goes on in these suburban places. These sick people
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are now getting off watching me screw their wives. And again,
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I throw the woman I am screwing aside and go
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after the men. And again, the women run interference so
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the men can get out of the door. I wake
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up and I'm trying to get into the house. How
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the fuck do you have a conversation with a man? Yeah,
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you can have an orgy. Yeah, we'll do some wife swapping. Absolutely.
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You need to avoid Andrew, though, because he will kill you.
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If he sees you, he will kill you. No, no, no, no.
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Seriously.
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He will kill you yes you will have to be
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naked yes technically it's illegal yes all right anyway love
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to jane and the kids so anyway another time everything
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is black and i remember and all i remember is
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hearing god damn it he's gone soft again I struggle
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to open my eyes and I'm laying on my back
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and there's a woman on top of me. She was
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a bit heavier than the other two and not quite
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as good looking. I push her off me as I
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try and get up. As I'm coming round, immediately the
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woman with the black hair comes over to me and
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tells me to look at her in the eyes, to
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focus and to look at her. I remember looking at
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her and after that it is all black again. This
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time I wake up in the back seat of my car,
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which is parked on the street in front of my house.
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And I think that the important thing is that throughout
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all of this, Andy has managed to maintain his core misogyny,
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which is, you know, at least he's hung on to something.
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The important takeaway is this, that despite none of the
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guys at school knowing this, Andy was having lots and
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lots of sex. And he's very cool. And he only
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had sex with a slightly heavier woman because he was
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drugged because, you know, he certainly wouldn't do that otherwise.
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He could definitely pull better women than you is the
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main bullet points to take away from this portion of
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the seminar. So despite being set on going to Penn State, Andy,
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for some reason, keeps getting letters inviting him to West
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Point Naval Academy for a physical session. Now, West Point
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Naval Academy is actually a military facility and not, as
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I had initially assumed, a school dedicated to examining people's midriffs. Dr.
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Perizzo comes to my house, rings the bell and tells
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me he wants to speak with me out on the street.
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He proceeds to tell me that he has made a
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great mistake. And after rechecking my DNA pattern against the
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correct hereditary background, it turns out that I am the
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one with the superior DNA code. Who would have thought?
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In fact, he says, we used your code to determine
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dominance of some unknown markers. A few days after that, Dr.
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Prizzo shows up again and he tells me to walk
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with him to the street. He tells me that he's
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been discussing it with the psychologist and that my mind
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functions in such a way in the subconscious that he
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can make me the most powerful man in the world.
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He then tells me to go and get into his car.
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He wants to take me to his office to do this.
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And I say, really? I'll go. But only if my
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mother comes with me. Can my mother come with me?
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He says that this is just between us men. And
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I tell him to go fuck himself and start walking
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towards my house. He starts talking. You're a very smart kid.
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You had a 50-50 chance. We were going to get
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drunk and then decide whether to make you the most
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powerful man in the world or give you a lobotomy.
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because that's the sort of decision that needs to be
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made when drunk. I stop and turn to him and say,
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do you really think actually says, do you really think
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I'm going to believe you when you tell me that
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you are going to make me the most powerful man
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in the world? You might do this, but only if
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you could control me, if you could not control me,
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then you would have to destroy me. Do you think
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I'm stupid? Now get the fuck out of here before
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I call the cops. And he then says, you're one
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smart kid. And he gets in his car and he
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drives away. So I'm confused at this point, right? Because
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I thought he was in this program because of his parents. Like,
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you know, that's why he went to the strange school.
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They were doing the favor for his dad. Who are
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these military men that have been following for ages? Who
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the fuck is this Dr. Perizzo fellow? Like, like seriously,
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like it doesn't, doesn't actually make any sense, but, but hey, ho.
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So that's chapter one. Yeah.
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It feels like they scouted him because of his parents
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being in the military and then kept an eye on
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him as he went through high school.
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So, but then there's other doctors discovered with a technique
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that we must remember doesn't exist, but he has superior DNA.
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So again, yet another example of where Andy is just
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the best at things without people realizing it. But, So
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chapter two, despite being offered a scholarship at Penn State
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for some reason, his father refuses him to let him
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go there and threatens to cut him off completely and
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never speak to him again unless he goes to Rochester University.
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And he did actually go to Rochester University. So, you know,
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but the only reason he didn't go to Penn State,
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prestigious Penn State, was because for some reason his father
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threatened him. I remember this as clear as day because
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after that, I remember I swore that I would never
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let anyone tell me what to do with my life again.
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The strange thing is that's not how he remembers it
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at all. He denies ever saying that to me. But
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I remember specifically because I was heartbroken that I wasn't
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going to Penn State. The strange thing is I remember
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my father about the same time making a joke that
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even though he'd been out of the Navy for 15 years,
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for some reason, they wanted him to come in and
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give him a physical. But he doesn't remember saying that either.
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I'll put a pin in that because that might be
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a bit of a pattern. Andy joins the football team,
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the American football team, and his roommate is also on
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the team. And he's a huge guy named Brian who
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does steroids, apparently. I get an odd message stating that
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the dean of the psychology department wants to see me.
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So I go to see him. I sit in the
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high back green leather chair and I'm facing him as
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he is sitting under the big desk. He asks me
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if I would like to participate in some kind of
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special study that the university is conducting. It's a minefield,
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isn't it? Because everybody approaching Andy sounds like they're trying
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to seduce him. And like, you know, a majority of
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them aren't. They're trying to get him into mind control programs.
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Whether he was disappointed or not, it doesn't really explain.
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But anyway, I tell him, have you ever heard of
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a Dr. Perizzo? And his face, and this is the
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dean of the psychology department, remember, suddenly becomes white and expressionless.
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I could tell that he had. And at that moment,
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I hear a very slight creak from behind my left shoulder.
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I get out of the chair and there's a small
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door on the wall. I open it. And inside this closet,
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the dean has a wet bar. But there, crouching on
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the floor, is Dr. Perizzo. I instantly grab him by
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the throat. And I tell him that if I ever
462
00:27:06.380 --> 00:27:08.859
see him again, I'm going to kill him. He starts
463
00:27:08.900 --> 00:27:11.000
to beg for his life. And I throw him into
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the bar. I walk over to the dean's desk. And
465
00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:16.970
from the bottom, I pick it up and flip it over.
466
00:27:16.990 --> 00:27:19.769
And I yell something at him like, you stay away
467
00:27:19.829 --> 00:27:22.809
from me, you lying fucking piece of shit. And I
468
00:27:22.869 --> 00:27:27.140
run out of the cupboard. Why exactly was Dr. Perizzo
469
00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:31.480
hiding in the cupboard? Like, what did he need to
470
00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:37.440
hear that couldn't have been explained to him afterwards? Like,
471
00:27:38.390 --> 00:27:41.569
why is he there? He's a fucking orthopedic surgeon. Anyway,
472
00:27:41.609 --> 00:27:44.910
never mind. A few days after that, I get a
473
00:27:44.990 --> 00:27:47.349
third message from him telling me that if I don't
474
00:27:47.410 --> 00:27:49.299
come to see him, he's going to throw me out
475
00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:52.079
of the school. That's not something that he would have
476
00:27:52.099 --> 00:27:54.799
the power to do, but never mind. I'm saying to myself,
477
00:27:55.059 --> 00:27:59.240
fuck this. But Brian, that's his roommate, is insisting that
478
00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:01.819
I go. Dude, he's going to throw you out of
479
00:28:01.900 --> 00:28:06.940
school and do whatever he says. Fuck you, I tell Brian.
480
00:28:07.509 --> 00:28:09.460
I decide to go in and give this asshole a
481
00:28:09.509 --> 00:28:12.210
piece of my mind. As I walk to his office,
482
00:28:12.470 --> 00:28:15.529
I'm furious and I'm going to kick his ass. I
483
00:28:15.549 --> 00:28:20.190
remember walking in, but I don't remember leaving. After that,
484
00:28:20.430 --> 00:28:22.849
I was a different person. I felt like I had
485
00:28:22.950 --> 00:28:26.269
blinders on. Tunnel vision. I remember people that thought I
486
00:28:26.309 --> 00:28:28.950
was the biggest asshole because they would say hello to
487
00:28:29.009 --> 00:28:31.049
me as I would walk to class and I would
488
00:28:31.089 --> 00:28:34.319
walk right by them like they weren't even there. I
489
00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:37.740
was off in my own little world, oblivious to my surroundings.
490
00:28:39.259 --> 00:28:41.200
But you must you must realize that he wasn't an
491
00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:45.019
asshole or socially awkward. He was actually secretly extremely cool
492
00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:47.460
and doing all the sex on hot women. So whatever
493
00:28:47.500 --> 00:28:52.619
you remember about him from this time at university, you're wrong.
494
00:28:54.660 --> 00:28:58.460
Andy gets really nervous around this room that he sort
495
00:28:58.500 --> 00:29:04.900
of discovers in the university, which is labelled Room 101.
496
00:29:04.900 --> 00:29:08.440
Although sometimes it's labelled as the janitor's office and people
497
00:29:08.460 --> 00:29:10.789
will tell you that there is no room 101 at
498
00:29:10.829 --> 00:29:14.710
this university. There is just a janitor's office. But Andy
499
00:29:14.750 --> 00:29:20.069
remembers it being Room 101. Looking back and trying to
500
00:29:20.109 --> 00:29:22.569
piece all of this together, this is what I believe happened.
501
00:29:23.259 --> 00:29:25.619
either on my second visit to the dean's office or
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00:29:25.660 --> 00:29:29.200
at some point after they somehow hypnotized me. I can't
503
00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:32.160
remember exactly where or when, but I believe that they
504
00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:36.170
instructed me to go to that particular room, room 101
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00:29:36.170 --> 00:29:39.049
at a certain time on a certain day every week.
506
00:29:39.309 --> 00:29:41.740
And I would just go. without thinking or knowing anything
507
00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:45.549
about it this is where all the initial groundwork programming
508
00:29:45.589 --> 00:29:48.549
hypnotic suggestion or brainwashing or whatever you want to call
509
00:29:48.609 --> 00:29:51.069
it took place so again so like how did those
510
00:29:51.150 --> 00:29:53.190
women manage to sort of like turn him into that
511
00:29:53.329 --> 00:29:58.180
like sex athlete like never mind I say this because
512
00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:01.190
after visiting the room, I started having these memory flashes,
513
00:30:01.390 --> 00:30:05.390
like a five-second clip of a 10-minute movie. In the room,
514
00:30:05.650 --> 00:30:08.730
I remember laying there. We discussed my silver mind control
515
00:30:09.349 --> 00:30:13.369
as well as many other things. The instructor instructs me
516
00:30:13.410 --> 00:30:15.710
how to go to my level, and then he would
517
00:30:15.730 --> 00:30:20.430
begin his work. Implanting the various different ideas and suggesting
518
00:30:20.470 --> 00:30:24.910
that they were researching with my reactions and responses. For
519
00:30:24.970 --> 00:30:30.410
some reason, the library also gives me the creeps. And
520
00:30:30.430 --> 00:30:34.279
this started me thinking, like, obviously the Room 101 is
521
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:38.279
a reference to 1984 and, you know, the room where
522
00:30:38.339 --> 00:30:42.319
all your worst fears come true. But something struck me
523
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:45.660
about Room 101 is that not only is it the
524
00:30:45.700 --> 00:30:49.609
place where all your worst fears come true, but as
525
00:30:49.710 --> 00:30:53.640
it's labelled Room 101, it's on the first floor. And
526
00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:57.740
this will require an undignified Trek up some fucking stairs
527
00:30:58.059 --> 00:31:00.740
before you even get in there to begin being tortured.
528
00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:07.339
That is just crushing. Anyway, in this room, one Oh one,
529
00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:10.029
they use his silver mind control to have him imagine
530
00:31:10.140 --> 00:31:15.630
a healing pool where he can recover from any injury. Um,
531
00:31:15.769 --> 00:31:18.269
so what he, that big pool, he gets in, it's
532
00:31:18.769 --> 00:31:24.319
like lies in there floating around basically. And, uh, miraculously
533
00:31:24.539 --> 00:31:27.720
heals himself. Now, I don't want to make it seem
534
00:31:27.779 --> 00:31:30.759
like I am in any way attempting to discredit the
535
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:35.240
substance of Andy's story. Heavens no. But I will just
536
00:31:35.309 --> 00:31:38.809
mention that this healing pool in many ways calls to
537
00:31:38.849 --> 00:31:43.869
mind the swimming pool in the 1985 film Cocoon, which
538
00:31:43.990 --> 00:31:47.329
was extremely well known at the time and in fact
539
00:31:47.509 --> 00:31:50.250
spawned a sequel in the film. In case people haven't
540
00:31:50.269 --> 00:31:53.950
seen it, the pool in question is had aliens alien
541
00:31:54.099 --> 00:31:57.960
eggs essentially in it and it allowed people to rejuvenate
542
00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:01.440
even to the point of de-aging and it could in
543
00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:05.480
all reasonable terms be described as a healing pool which
544
00:32:05.539 --> 00:32:09.640
is a bizarre quirk of fate that uh andrew also
545
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:13.730
encountered one there are other suggestions as well of course
546
00:32:13.769 --> 00:32:15.910
like telling me how to turn on and turn off
547
00:32:15.950 --> 00:32:19.069
my pain receptors like a light switch How to control
548
00:32:19.130 --> 00:32:21.230
my adrenaline glands and how to be able to turn
549
00:32:21.269 --> 00:32:24.690
them on and off like a faucet. How to control fear.
550
00:32:25.190 --> 00:32:26.940
I also remember them testing me a lot with these
551
00:32:27.019 --> 00:32:29.819
puzzle blocks. I had to assemble and match the pictures,
552
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:35.000
connect the dots for time, word association, all kinds of
553
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:38.880
these mind puzzle, IQ testing type puzzles. And that is
554
00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:43.799
what I remember from Room 101. The small lab I
555
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:48.019
remember being tied to a metal table and then placing... Sorry,
556
00:32:48.039 --> 00:32:50.900
this is poorly written. The small lab I remember being
557
00:32:50.980 --> 00:32:53.619
tied to a metal table and then placing electrodes on
558
00:32:53.660 --> 00:32:57.220
my body. They began to shock me at different intervals
559
00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:01.380
and increase the voltage when I wouldn't cooperate with them.
560
00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:04.640
That's obviously supposed to be cooperate. The thing is, these
561
00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:07.980
insolent bastards kept asking me, why are you so hostile
562
00:33:08.019 --> 00:33:11.019
towards us? Why are you fighting us? And my answers
563
00:33:11.059 --> 00:33:16.200
would always be, if you think I'm hostile now, just
564
00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:21.829
wait until I get loose, you Nazi motherfuckers. I tried
565
00:33:22.190 --> 00:33:24.390
my best to be brave and I fought back with
566
00:33:24.470 --> 00:33:27.150
all I had. When I came to, I found myself
567
00:33:27.230 --> 00:33:29.109
tied to a chair with my hands tied behind me.
568
00:33:29.490 --> 00:33:31.950
They began working me over. I know I had to
569
00:33:31.990 --> 00:33:34.210
be drugged because the punches for some reason didn't hurt.
570
00:33:34.750 --> 00:33:36.930
They always wore gloves or hit me with rubber hoses
571
00:33:37.230 --> 00:33:39.650
so as to not leave any marks. And the more
572
00:33:39.670 --> 00:33:42.519
they hit me, the more it didn't hurt. There's also
573
00:33:42.579 --> 00:33:45.559
a metal cart next to me, all kinds of surgical
574
00:33:45.619 --> 00:33:47.900
instruments on it. There were all kinds of syringes on
575
00:33:47.930 --> 00:33:50.829
there as well. This is also why I assumed that
576
00:33:50.849 --> 00:33:54.769
they drugged me. I remember then placing needles in my
577
00:33:54.930 --> 00:33:57.750
eyeballs and also in my eardrum in order to shock
578
00:33:57.809 --> 00:34:00.630
me into submission. They beat me in a small room
579
00:34:00.710 --> 00:34:04.900
several times. I remember Mr. Green was there, this Nazi
580
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:10.320
guy and his buddies. Now I am the last person
581
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:13.059
that would want to wish to make light of such
582
00:34:13.099 --> 00:34:18.909
an obviously horrific and genuinely real situation but some people
583
00:34:18.989 --> 00:34:23.780
may have noticed certain similarities to the comic book character
584
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:30.199
Captain America now Captain America is Stephen Steve Rogers born
585
00:34:30.340 --> 00:34:32.699
in 1920s to an impoverished family on the Lower East
586
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:36.559
Side of New York City oh this frail and infirm
587
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:38.960
Rogers attempts to join the US Army in order to
588
00:34:39.019 --> 00:34:41.960
fight in the Second World War but he's rejected after
589
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:45.090
being deemed unfit for military service So his resolve is
590
00:34:45.130 --> 00:34:48.150
nevertheless noticed by the military and is recruited as the
591
00:34:48.230 --> 00:34:52.780
first test subject for Project Rebirth. Now, this is a
592
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:56.300
secret government program that seeks to create super soldiers through
593
00:34:56.320 --> 00:35:00.099
the development of a super soldier serum. Though the serum
594
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:04.280
successfully enhances Rogers to the peak of human physical perfection,
595
00:35:04.909 --> 00:35:08.710
there's this Nazi spy posing as a military observer who
596
00:35:08.789 --> 00:35:11.730
destroys all the remaining supply of this serum and assassinates
597
00:35:11.789 --> 00:35:15.530
its inventor, which basically foils plans to produce additional super soldiers.
598
00:35:16.230 --> 00:35:19.550
But Rogers is given a patriotic uniform and a shield
599
00:35:19.909 --> 00:35:24.309
by the American government and becomes the costume superhero Captain America.
600
00:35:25.150 --> 00:35:28.789
So the super soldier serum, which is injected greatly enhanced
601
00:35:29.090 --> 00:35:34.469
Captain America's strength, his speed, his agility, his endurance, his reflexes,
602
00:35:34.489 --> 00:35:39.389
his reaction time, and his natural self healing ability. Additionally,
603
00:35:39.730 --> 00:35:43.369
He's a master tactician and field commander and a master
604
00:35:43.429 --> 00:35:47.480
of numerous forms of martial arts. Now, in it, basically,
605
00:35:47.500 --> 00:35:50.159
there's this guy called Heinz Kruger. Heinz Kruger is a
606
00:35:50.179 --> 00:35:54.059
Nazi spy who assassinates Avraham Erskine, who's the inventor of
607
00:35:54.099 --> 00:35:57.360
the super soldier serum and destroys all the rest of
608
00:35:57.400 --> 00:36:02.889
the supply in Captain America, the first Avenger. So he
609
00:36:02.969 --> 00:36:06.199
operates as an undercover operative for Hydra and Nazi Germany,
610
00:36:06.340 --> 00:36:09.659
and he infiltrates the secret Brooklyn facility where Steve Rogers
611
00:36:09.699 --> 00:36:15.619
undergoes his transformation. Immediately after the successful experiment, Kruger shoots Dr.
612
00:36:15.739 --> 00:36:19.300
Erskine and detonates an explosive to destroy the lab's equipment
613
00:36:19.420 --> 00:36:23.110
and the remaining files of the serum. So there's obvious
614
00:36:23.409 --> 00:36:27.469
comparisons already to Captain America, which obviously was a popular
615
00:36:27.510 --> 00:36:32.590
comic at the time. And there's going to be some there, again,
616
00:36:32.630 --> 00:36:35.190
that are going to be apparent as the story goes on.
617
00:36:36.150 --> 00:36:39.369
And he continues. I know they were Nazis because I
618
00:36:39.409 --> 00:36:41.849
have a very keen eye when judging people. And this
619
00:36:41.929 --> 00:36:45.329
guy just didn't seem to be an American. Judgy, judgy, judgy.
620
00:36:46.389 --> 00:36:48.820
He was the guy in charge. Hang on. I knew
621
00:36:48.889 --> 00:36:50.889
he was a Nazi because I have a keen eye
622
00:36:50.929 --> 00:36:54.099
when judging people. He just dripped with Nazism. I could
623
00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:57.440
just tell that he had extremely far right political ideology
624
00:36:57.500 --> 00:37:01.090
by the way he looked. to be fair, he could have,
625
00:37:01.329 --> 00:37:03.139
I don't know. He could have had a swastika tattooed
626
00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:06.280
on his forehead or something. He was the guy in
627
00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:08.440
charge and he ordered another guy to come over and
628
00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:10.900
to start to work on me. The guy that came
629
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:13.820
up started beating me and I made rude comments about
630
00:37:13.860 --> 00:37:16.789
his attire. He was wearing a yellow short sleeve shirt
631
00:37:16.829 --> 00:37:20.030
in Rochester, New York after labor day. So I start
632
00:37:20.170 --> 00:37:23.230
sassing him about his shirt and how only two types
633
00:37:23.269 --> 00:37:26.210
of people would wear a yellow short sleeve shirt in Rochester.
634
00:37:26.789 --> 00:37:29.699
Either he is a homosexual or, or he's a foreigner
635
00:37:29.739 --> 00:37:32.519
who's trying to look American. It's one of the basic
636
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:35.969
slip-ups that spies make, a fashion blunder. And he was
637
00:37:36.030 --> 00:37:40.110
probably German, because Germans like their pastels. That, along with
638
00:37:40.130 --> 00:37:42.349
the psychotic look in his eye that told me he
639
00:37:42.389 --> 00:37:45.730
was some sort of type of master race genetic freak.
640
00:37:47.369 --> 00:37:50.679
He's still, again, good to see that Andy has retained
641
00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:54.420
his healthy sense of homophobia there. Like, there's some things
642
00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:57.880
that you just can't take away from him. But it
643
00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:01.280
could be both. Or it could be neither. How the
644
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:05.460
fuck has Andy, who's like an 18-year-old student, got a
645
00:38:05.500 --> 00:38:10.360
knowledge of spycraft and Germans? I don't wish to be rude,
646
00:38:10.409 --> 00:38:15.210
but most Americans of that age probably haven't been abroad
647
00:38:15.250 --> 00:38:19.630
and wouldn't be interested in like, I can tell by
648
00:38:19.650 --> 00:38:22.929
your pastel shirt that you are not from around here.
649
00:38:22.949 --> 00:38:28.929
He grew up in Munich, didn't he?
650
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:33.099
Yes, he did, actually. Yeah, good point. Maybe that's it.
651
00:38:33.139 --> 00:38:35.639
Maybe he just recognizes the German. Can you spot a
652
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:42.099
German from, like, 200 yards? Is that how it works?
653
00:38:44.190 --> 00:38:46.550
Yeah, maybe. Maybe not today, but.
654
00:38:50.619 --> 00:38:52.510
Like in the 90s i could have maybe done it
655
00:38:52.690 --> 00:38:53.949
you know.
656
00:38:53.750 --> 00:38:57.989
If they're wearing lederhosen i suppose like but like but
657
00:38:58.230 --> 00:38:59.050
uh if not.
658
00:38:58.869 --> 00:39:00.789
But sometimes you do look at people and you're like
659
00:39:00.889 --> 00:39:03.550
oh they're from this place or you look like you're
660
00:39:03.650 --> 00:39:08.260
dutch or you look like you're something maybe you know
661
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:08.630
i mean i.
662
00:39:08.590 --> 00:39:17.579
Suppose yeah potentially uh yeah maybe who knows They continue
663
00:39:17.619 --> 00:39:20.380
beating Andy up and he feels no pain because, you know,
664
00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:26.650
obviously he's crushingly cool. So the Nazi goes and gets
665
00:39:26.730 --> 00:39:30.309
a baseball bat, whether it was a baseball bat. bat
666
00:39:30.329 --> 00:39:33.320
that they just have in the laboratory whether he brought
667
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:35.059
it with him whether he had to go out to
668
00:39:35.099 --> 00:39:37.480
his car to get it uh whether he goes to
669
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:40.099
the shop and buys one it is not entirely clear
670
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:46.239
so he goes over to get a baseball bat off
671
00:39:46.260 --> 00:39:48.079
the metal shelf and he's going to hit me with
672
00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:51.019
it That's when I really feared for my life and
673
00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:54.059
I pulled at my ropes with all my strength. Somehow
674
00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:57.219
I broke free. I spent a few seconds getting the
675
00:39:57.260 --> 00:39:59.440
ropes off and everyone seemed to be in shock that
676
00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:01.780
I'd broke out of the chair and they all sort
677
00:40:01.820 --> 00:40:05.050
of stood around. I go after the Nazi who's been
678
00:40:05.090 --> 00:40:08.090
beating me and who had the bat. I feel literally
679
00:40:08.130 --> 00:40:10.489
that I'm fighting for my life and to this day
680
00:40:10.550 --> 00:40:12.590
I don't know where I got the strength but they
681
00:40:12.650 --> 00:40:14.809
all jumped on me and I flung them off me
682
00:40:15.130 --> 00:40:17.809
like they were five-year-olds. I got to the guy with
683
00:40:17.829 --> 00:40:20.239
the bat Punched him once he dropped the bat. I
684
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:22.579
picked him up and struck him twice in the head
685
00:40:22.900 --> 00:40:26.139
whilst his head was pressed against the table, basically crushing
686
00:40:26.199 --> 00:40:29.800
his skull. I started swinging the bat and I hit
687
00:40:29.940 --> 00:40:32.460
two other guys in the head with the bat. And
688
00:40:32.500 --> 00:40:34.530
I saw lots of blood coming from their head as
689
00:40:34.570 --> 00:40:36.869
they lay on the floor. Then they all rush over
690
00:40:36.909 --> 00:40:39.050
to me at once and they're trying to pin me down,
691
00:40:39.289 --> 00:40:41.630
but they cannot. And I managed to get over to
692
00:40:41.650 --> 00:40:44.610
the only window in the room. I throw it open.
693
00:40:44.710 --> 00:40:47.010
I'm about to leap out and I see where I am.
694
00:40:47.500 --> 00:40:51.260
I look out and it's straight down at least 100 feet.
695
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:54.989
So two things to take from that. One, Andy's killed
696
00:40:55.050 --> 00:40:59.369
three people. And two, I threw them around like a five-year-old.
697
00:40:59.630 --> 00:41:02.929
What is this weird obsession he's got with five-year-olds and
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how easily they could be flung around the place? It
699
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does seem a bit odd. You're not going to believe this. Oh, no, Andy.
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And I know that it sounds crazy. No, Andy, go on.
701
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But I am in the top of the library looking
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down at the ball field. I know it was the
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library first from the view, and second from the shape
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of the room. One side was almost rounded, and now
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with the view, there is only one place it could be,
706
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and that is the top of the library. Sorry, this
707
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is very badly written. I knocked out several more guys,
708
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but then there was just too many of them, and
709
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eventually they got me down and stuck a needle in
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my butt, and I was out. They gave.
711
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You'd think they'd figure this out and just have somebody
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stood ready next to his, his ass with a needle
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in case it all went wrong to just, you know,
714
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knock him out. But, oh, well, I suppose it's a
715
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learning process for them as well. They gave me several
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beatings and several electric shock sessions there. Then all I
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remember of the sessions, that's all I remember of the
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sessions was, They were trying to break me, but I
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wouldn't let them. So the beatings continued at night. I
720
00:42:09.670 --> 00:42:12.030
remember telling my roommate the next morning that I felt
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like my face had been hit by a truck, but
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I had no idea why my face was hurting. I
723
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thought he felt no pain. That's a bit of an
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error there, isn't it? But thank heavens that he can
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remember the specifics of him being a cool super soldier.
726
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We're extremely fortunate that he recalls it in such a
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cinematic manner.
728
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Thank you.