Why Every Small Creator Needs Claude Code

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Hey team, welcome to Small Creators Big World. I'm Barb. And I'm Becky. And this place is a space for us to chat about all things being small creators on the internet and occasionally a place for me to nerd the heck out. Correct. And we have very much been nerding out about something in particular recently, haven't we? Something called Claude Code. Oh my goodness, something that we've been sleeping on until it just literally hit us like a truck. For me, three weeks ago for you,
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Two days ago? Yes. This weekend. And we have not been talking about it nonstop. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, to be fair, I don't think we were the only ones sleeping on it. So, okay. So let's backtrack a bit for anyone who doesn't know, which is very possible. Yeah.
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So, okay, we have AI. It's obviously taking over the world. And I think people are aware of, I think most people know about ChatGPT. It's almost the Google of AI, right? You say you Google something, you say you ChatGPT something these days. Yeah. And wait, do we want to take a step further? Like, what's an LLM?
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Okay, an LLM is a large language model, which is basically just a prediction of words. Okay, it's a network of a prediction of words. And that's kind of how, you know, like how when you Google stuff, if you're like, what is my blah, blah, blah, and it just like fills in the blank. So an LLM is just that on like steroids. Okay.
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Cool. So ChatGPT would be an LLM. Yes. It's a good enough explanation. That sounds about right. That's what I would have said. Okay, cool. We're not experts here, so don't come at us if we haven't got the exact definition. No, no, no. We're just small creators, guys. Chill. Chill out. We're just commoners. Okay, cool. So ChatGPT, LLM, and then you've got other ones.
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Like Gemini and Claude. So there, I guess, the three main ones. I mean, there are lots of other things. Is that fair? Okay. Yeah. There's like Facebook has its own. X has its own. But I think the main ones people use. Gemini is from Google. ChatGPT is from a company called OpenAI. And Claude is from a company called Anthropic. Yeah.
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Nice. Okay. So I think that's what, like, nice. I think that's what people broadly maybe have been aware of.
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And then I guess what's happened is recently, and I say recently, it's probably the last few weeks, maybe months or so, maybe even less. I don't know. I lose track of time. But everyone is now talking about Claude, but specifically Claude Code. And there was a bit of open claw stuff in there as well mixed in. But that's something different. And that's not what we're going to talk about today. Although maybe we could give a quick overview because there was that talk. So just to stop any confusion, because I was confused at one point.
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Yeah, so OpenClaw is basically... Despite Contrary Relief, it's not linked at all to Claude. And that's why they had to change her name, because it blew up before the weekend. But basically, it's like this, like... The way... It's like Jarvis, basically. You just give it permissions. You give it all the information it needs. And it can literally just, like, scurry and do things on the internet on your behalf, because it has all the information it needs. And, like...
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Like in one of the Marvel movies, it can also go rogue. So Open Call is basically like a Jarvis. Not everybody has a Jarvis or everybody can access a Jarvis. And to clarify, Jarvis from Iron Man, from the Marvel movies, is that the AI that Tony Stark was talking to, Jarvis.
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Jervis. Yeah, that one. But yeah, but because we don't want to shut down the world just yet, or maybe I'm a little bit scared about the powers that it may wield. I use a more tamed down version called Claude Code.
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Yes. Okay. So that brings us, that's the focus of today's episode, guys. We're going to talk about Clawed Code. Okay. So you have Clawed, which is like ChatGPT. It's just chat interface. You ask it some questions. It tells you some stuff. It helps you with some things. Rewrites your copy, gives you, whatever. But then we have Clawed Code. Now this is part of Anthropics. So this is part of Clawed.
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and then there's also Claude Cowork so you have Claude which I'm going to call Claude Chat I don't know if that's a thing or if that's just in my head you've got Claude Cowork and you've got Claude Code now tell us what each of them are and what the differences are yes so Claude Chat is a chat interface like you've said Claude Code is basically when you interact directly with like Claude in
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basically called like kind of is injected into your system. So it can literally like open applications for you, close applications for you, open like certain browser windows for you as long as, but you interact with it as if you're like chatting with it. So you're like, hey, log me on to google.com and it would literally open google.com for you.
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And then Cloud Cowork is Cloud Code, but with a chat interface. So you can also just tell it, hey, open Google, and it can do the same. It's just like a much more beginner-friendly interface. So the theory is that Cloud Cowork will be like what everybody will be using. And then Cloud Code is what the hardcore people will be using like.
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They basically do the same thing. It's just a different sort of like interface that you're interacting with. Yes. And to clarify, like many people, including myself, would have thought, Cloud Code isn't coding. I think the name is a slight misnomer. You can do things, but it's not...
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Like you said, you could literally get it to open a file. Like it might be coding, but you do not have to. It's not for coders. I think that's my point of that. It is just another way of accessing it. Which is what I thought it was, which is why I've been sleeping on it for like the longest time.
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You said the longest time, but it hasn't, like, we're talking, like, weeks, right? I think Claude Coat might have been around for a while. Okay, maybe, like, a couple of months. But in, like, AI world, it's, like, insane. Yeah, this time last year, we were all talking about Cursor as, like, the most mind-boggling thing ever. Which I was also on, and it was, like...
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really freaking hard to charge through um even though it was already like i think like 100 times easier than what coding manually would do but there was just like oh yeah cursor is this sort of like vibe coding software um
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So what it does is you can chat with like an agent to like build stuff. So not dissimilar to the likes of Lovable and stuff, but Cursor is like the preferred interface, I think, for a lot of coders because it can literally look at a huge list of files and can basically, if you edit the header of a website on like one page, it knows how to sync it to like all the sub pages and stuff. But it's essentially a wrapper and the underlying...
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models of it is still like, Cursor still relies on Gemini, ChatGPT, and Claude. So basically Cursor is just like the program we use to access all these models, but specifically for coding, for vibe coding, which is also the term. Vibe coding is for people who code but don't really know how to code. I would count myself in that category.
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And me. Thank you. That was going to be my question for those that didn't know, including myself once upon a time. Okay. Nice. I think that kind of lays out where we've got to and broadly, I mean, there's obviously other stuff, but that's broadly our understanding of it until we started playing with it. Actually one other thing, one other question I have for you. And I think.
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This may have been more around OpenClaw, but I think it's just as valid with code, given that it has access. Security issues. There's been a lot of talk around that. And I think with OpenClaw, they were very much like, get yourself a separate machine so you can run this because you're basically effectively giving it access to your entire computer. So, yes. Thoughts on security issues? Where are we at? Code code, et cetera.
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Yeah. So security is always a risk, but it's also a risk with every single thing you have. Like basically, now that we all carry a smartphone, our location is already known by all these companies. Now that CCTVs are super smart, they also know our location. So, yes, this does come at a risk with like, you know, uploading sensitive data to the Internet and stuff. And it's it's.
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kind of the same reason why companies that are heavily regulated like i used to work for a bank we can't even access google because that involves if you type in something into google translate it involves sending something to a google server um and that could that is a data leak um risk so it's not dissimilar to that um there is that risk um yeah i use it's it's generally safe um
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I think if people want to hack, they can hack everything really easily. I think it's safe. But of course, if you're handling like data, like at work, we handle customer data. So we actually don't connect that to LLMs because there is a risk there. But because I work with content, everything is public on YouTube. So I like Vibe code and analyze the heck out of this data with all these AI stuff.
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Yes. Okay. Nice. So we will park security issues for this episode because we'll be talking predominantly about publicly accessible data for creators. So since you found Claude Code. I have not slept. Yeah. We lost Becky for a while. Yeah.
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Becky disappeared into... She basically turned into one of those... Turned into one of those little... Well, literally, yeah, a little coda. Hoodie on? Hood? No. But anyway, you have fully gone down the rabbit hole. I am into it. I only went down the rabbit hole maybe four or five days ago and have been having fun since. But you are...
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You've built some really cool things. So what we wanted to do in this episode is, A, give an overview of what the hell was going on, because I, until a couple of weeks ago, was just like, what? And I consider myself relatively techie. Clearly not that much. But, yeah, so a little overview. Thank you. And then, yeah, what we thought would be really cool is Becky has made a bunch of cool tools for creators.
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So what we thought we'd do is basically talk through how Becky has done that because she's gone down the rabbit hole. So this is very much how you can create stuff for your own workflows and, excuse me. And also how easy it is to make stuff in Cloud Code and do things.
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Yeah, actually, that's the gist of it. So what I will caveat is we will be screen sharing in this episode. So for those of you who are listening rather than watching, feel free to check us out on YouTube if you want to have any of that knowledge. But yeah, just a caveat that we will be screen sharing. Won't be super heavy, but just on and off. So you get an idea of what is happening and what we're going to show you. Cool. Okay. So actually, before we do any screen sharing.
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You literally were just like, Claude Code, need to get on this. And off you went and you figured it out yourself. When I came to Claude Code, I basically had you to walk me through it, which was great. So I had an inbuilt tutor. But can you talk me through, and everybody else who is listening, what that kind of process was like, how you got to grips with it. And how easy it is. How, yeah, can people, like, what's, somebody is new and they're like, cool. And they've heard it. And they're like, I really need to get on this. Like, what is that kind of initial learning curve? What does that look like?
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Yeah, well, I was at first like, what is this thing? It's for like coders or something. And then Alex Dobrenko, who is one of the more prominent writers on Substack, was insisting that I get on a call with him for him to show me what Call of Cod can do. And I've been putting it off for like, I think at least like a month.
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Because I was like, dude, I don't have time. I'm like in the middle of like shooting. Like I really like I've tried vibe coding. It's not my thing. It's so hard to debug and stuff. And he kept on insisting to hop on a call with me. So I was like, fine. The day before I was going to go on a holiday, the evening before I hadn't even packed,
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He like got me on a call. He just showed me the stuff that he's built. And I was so mind blown. Like he was three weeks in into a course that he's running called Code for Creatives. Very apt. And he's literally like teaching how he's like literally running his whole life and business and course and like posting his videos.
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essays and blog entries and everything so not the writing itself but like the system behind it was using cloud code and I was just so mind blown because I was like oh my goodness I like
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I think we always think of code as this like sexy app or something. And it just seems so superfluous. Like, I don't really need another app in my life. Like I'm already using Notion AI. It's pretty dang good. I don't really need it to write some sort of like complex Magnum opus for me. Because it's not going to do anything. But what I saw Alex do was like, it just was running all the efficient systems. But more efficiently, if that makes sense. So basically just...
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Because it runs on the... Okay. He was showing me how he is able to get Claude and... Because this is Alex. He literally gave Claude access to everything. So Claude can literally troll his emails and pull up action items for him to follow up with. And I'm like, oh my God. That is like one of the most mind-blowing pieces of AI ever. It's basically, we have all this information sitting on all these different places.
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And then previously, we would have to rely on things like Make and Zapier to connect all of those things, but we're limited to what they can access. And then suddenly all those limitations just went off the rails and you could connect these things in any way you want, plus add an AI layer on top of it so that.
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It can not only just pull up the action items, but it can also give you like the context and the way you want it and the format you want it and the interface you want it. Like Alex literally showed me, he like vibe coded right in front of me how to make his to-do list into like a Tinder swipe right, swipe left kind of thing, which is like insane. Like you can literally do that any way you want just with like, and just by asking it like, hey, I want this in like a website format. Boom, it's done. So it just like, for me, it just made this whole like,
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other parts of, since we're small creators, creating is our main thing, but it's often the other stuff that like bogs us down. It's like the scheduling of the posts. It's like the repurposing of the content. It's like the maintaining of the personal website. It's like uploading everything we want into an online course. Like these are the kinds of things that actually like bog us down. It's not the creative work itself. And now with Cloud Code, I think like this whole like system stuff
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techie stuff just became so accessible to people like us who don't really do tech for a living and i think that's like the huge huge unlock um like yeah if you're if you're like a big six figure creator you can hire a team but if you don't have a team or you don't have any budget like i don't have any budget to do anything so all the stuff that i built is like hosted on like free-ish websites there's like some little costs that we'll talk about here and there but
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It's basically super low cost, super, super bootstrap. Yeah. Yeah. I shall get off my soapbox. No, you stay right there. I have many more questions. So a couple of things to caveat. One is, yeah, like we said, security issues. So yes, Alex felt comfortable to give access. We are absolutely not suggesting you do that. That's completely up to you of what you do. And we are not experts. We're just figuring this out. So security issues.
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I guess as a flag is definitely a thing. You don't have to give it access to everything. Again, we'll get to it. But what's cool about Clawed Code for now is that it doesn't access anything without you giving it permission. So it's not like it suddenly has access to everything. Once you kind of start using it, you actually actively have to give it access each time. But yes, the more access it has, the more cool stuff it can do. But obviously...
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it still has access. So please, please, please bear that in mind. The second thing is, yeah, it is kind of cool what doors it opens for small creators. Because you're right, a lot of people don't have a budget or they have a very small budget or there's lots of things they can do. And, you know, if they want to go to an agency, all of a sudden they're paying thousands of pounds a month or something to do things. Or, you know, I need to hire this or that or that. And very quickly, you as a one-man band have all these things that you...
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It's literally, you could hire someone to just do your thumbnails. Like it is crazy what the creative world has, has opened in terms of like jobs and stuff, like someone's job can literally full-time job could be creating, making thumbnails, so there's like no limit to the amount of things that you
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you can do. But yeah, what is really cool is, I guess, for our little section, where you can't necessarily afford things, or you can only afford like a little bit, and you have to prioritize where that money goes, is suddenly you can create your own tools to do the bare minimum. And then when you kind of start making more money, then you can hire the right people. And you put right now, I need maybe an ops person, or now I need a social media person, because now I've kind of graduated to that level. But it plugs that gap that was quite difficult that I like for those small creators of...
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I need this doing. And I think a lot of these tools are really coming and helping us now. Like AI has completely just opened that of like, oh, you can sign up to this service. And even Riverside, like the editing in Riverside makes it so much easier. We don't have, and I know this is a podcast with minimal editing, but even like things like that are becoming so much more accessible, which is great. I think for us more creators who don't have these big budgets of like, you know, Team Ali or whatever, which is very cool.
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Yeah. And also just adding on that, it's like, yes, you can technically make anything you want. You can put your mind to this. And where people actually come in is like,
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So AI and LLMs and vibe coding can help you map out a content calendar, but it cannot figure out your content strategy for you. This is where like this can supercharge you, but you still would have to learn the relevant domain knowledge and do your own research and do your own like digging around. It's just that you don't have to spend as much time.
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building stuff out and debugging and figuring out what's not working and migrating from site to site manually. And you can instead spend that time like literally just honing in on your craft and learning and leveling up more on your domain knowledge and your expertise. That's where I see the real win comes in because we're all like bootstrap for time.
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Especially as we're small creators, a lot of us are just doing this on the side of our day job. Or for some of us, on the side of the side of our day job. On the side of the day job, on the side of the side job. Yeah. On the side of the side hustle of the day job. Yes, there you go. That's the word. Yeah, so we literally want to use our time as efficiently as possible. This is one way to do it.
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Yeah. No, no, it's very cool. So I guess we've, I've, I've kind of, oh, you have a point. Yeah. Yes. Okay. A comment. I'm just going to, and you can, you can.
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Give your opinions about this. Environmental concerns. This is a big thing that always comes up with AI and stuff is that there is environmental concerns for doing things. So my optimist theory is that now that so much energy is being used for LLMs and stuff.
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Now, governments and energy companies are actually looking into renewable energy sources. So like nuclear and stuff. And these are all sort of off the table before. But now, because the demand for energy is so great that people are starting to look into these renewable energy sources. Because our current energy sources cannot basically sustain the demand for all these kind of things. I mean, this could go either way.
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I'm hoping that this pushes us towards the renewable energy direction. I'm hopeful. I'm optimistic. I also know these things might change. But just a caveat that this is part of the equation that we all have in our head when we choose to log on to an LLM and harness its environmentally consuming powers.
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Yes. Sucky powers. I like it. Yes. No, I agree. I think that is a very valid. Yeah. Good. Good job bringing that one up because it is a thing and it is actually crazy how much energy it consumes to do like the tiniest thing. And it is a little scary. But yeah, I don't I don't think I have anything to add on that because I am not clued up on it. But I found it.
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That is the best of my knowledge. So please debug me if I'm wrong. But this is why we use it for things that are actually helpful. Correct. Okay, nice. So...
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Okay, sorry. One thing I... Yeah, before we get into what you have built, I guess I kind of want to get inside your brain and understand how you went about building things. So again, you're not a coder. You don't have a coding background. Yes, I completely agree. You were using Cursor last year. So you've had a little bit of insight into this. And actually, I guess Cursor was even more difficult. But fundamentally, you open it up and Clawed Code basically opens in a terminal, you know, like...
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Or in the app. You can open it in the app. Okay, fine. So let's park that. You're right. But you open it up. Yeah. And then, A, to your point, you can create anything. So it's figuring out what to create rather than just creating stuff for the sake of it. And B, how does one even start? And how good is this thing? Like, what are the... Yeah, where are we going? So you opened it up for the first time and you were like, I'm doing what now?
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Ooh, yeah. I opened it up for the first time. And I think one of the first tasks I did was like, I want...
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I want Claude to scrape my Substack notes that I've posted. And I want it in my Notion database. Because basically, I shitpost a lot on Substack and on LinkedIn and everywhere. But I don't have a record of it. And then one day my account is like wiped. All that data is gone. And I know I say shitposting. I must have like one or two gold stuff in there. I want to keep it. I want to have a record of it. I want to know what like I posted. Yeah.
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and even be able to like go search for it. Because right now, if there was like the Substack note that I post like five months ago, I actually have to scroll manually all the way down to find it. And sometimes I cannot find it, which is really annoying. So it's one of the things, the first things I did was literally just make a copy of everything that I've posted on the internet. So I did that for Substack, I did that for LinkedIn.
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Okay, I think that's about it. That's the only two social media platforms I'm on. Yeah. Beautiful. Okay, how easy was this? How did one go about it?
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Oh, yeah, it was... So one of the main reasons why Claude got really hired is because they released this model called Opus 4.6. And Opus 4.6 became really good at debugging itself. That's like the major change from 4.5. It's also the most expensive model. So if you're on it, you might realize you run out of your session tokens or your session quota very, very quickly. But basically, you go on Claude and you're like, hey...
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I want to scrape my Substack notes. I want them all to go into a database. Probably the properties are like URL, date post, maybe number of likes and shares and whatnot. And this is my username. And then it just goes and figures it out on its own.
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That's insane. It's that simple. Yeah. I think that is actually... Because I like... ChatTBT, when I was using it for the first time, maybe, I don't know, a year ago. I don't... My timelines are way out of whack. But anyway, when I was using it... Like, back then, the prompts were, like, so specific. You are a...
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coder with 20 years experience and this that and the other and your specific job is to do this and and these problems were like super long and you've literally just opened it up and gone yo I need an app here's here's where it is uh sorry I need I need I need you to go and find my posts here's here's here's where they are go do and off it went yeah which is kind of crazy um yeah this time last year I did not know how to use chat gpt yet
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What a year it's been. What a year it's been. Yeah. It's insane. That's crazy. Okay. So you were then hooked, obviously. Yeah. Because I was just like, oh my God, it can just do so much. And then I realized like, oh my God, if I post the same thing on like LinkedIn, I went all nerdy. So I was like, okay, I can literally ask Cora to analyze my LinkedIn posts and I can
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is like based off of which sub stack essays that I've written. And therefore I can like map it out and be like, oh, so if there's like stuff like essay that hasn't been like repurposed into a post, that's like more content that I can like start posting on LinkedIn. This is my content strategy brain like firing up because this is all I do at work.
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No, but that's incredible because all of a sudden you've gone. So someone might be sitting there going, cool, you've got your history. Now what? Whatever. But you've actually turned it into a useful tool with an action. You've gone, okay, now I'm going to use this to mine for content ideas. That is cool. That would have taken somebody. Either you have to. And this is where it goes back to like these menial tasks, I guess. You would have either had to pay somebody, you know, some kind of like admin person or
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I don't know what the void rate is, what, a £10 hour, whatever, to go and literally go through all your posts and then, you know, dump them in a Google sheet or something and then cross-reference one by, like, and that's hours and hours of work. And this took, Claude, what, how long? Yeah.
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comes out I don't know it's like maybe like less than an hour and it's just running in the background like well I'm doing my other tasks so it's not like I'm paying attention to it the other thing as well is like I guess for anybody who looks at content you have all these metrics that are associated with your content and
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And generally a rule for growing on any social media platform is figure out what is getting the most likes and engagements that you've posted in the last like 10 or so things that you posted. And then just double down on that. And before this was like a manual extract, look at a CSV, pull it into Google Sheets, make it into like a pivot table, maybe if you're fancy. Yeah. And then do like, oh, okay, actually this post I did about this topic in this format did great. And now you can literally have like this raw...
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database of stuff and then have like if it's a notion you can ask notion a to be like hey what are the trends and it can literally pull stuff out you can upload the csv into chat gbt or cloud or gemini and do that oh i heard google sheets also has gemini now built in so you can literally ask gemini to like analyze stuff like
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in the Google Sheets itself. But yeah, it's like these data analytics used to be a major, like a program you could major in any university. And now literally anybody can do like, like maybe not to that level, but anybody can do like a really basic level. Yeah.
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It was your job. Oh, my goodness. It was my job. It was my job. I was a data analyst. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. What a nerd. Agreed. Oh, big time nerd. Left that behind to become less of a nerd. No, a nerd in a whole different way. Yeah, no. Arguably more of a nerd. Potentially.
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But yeah, no, I completely agree. And you can set these things up. So like you said, they run in the background and all of a sudden it's this incredibly useful thing. Yeah, totally. Now every day I just wake up to new stuff being synced into by laptop and I don't even have to remember to do any of it. It's amazing. That is very cool. Okay, so I think...
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I think we've broadly between us and you've definitely done more of this, but we've kind of found three buckets of things that we've used. We're kind of using this for like creating apps. One is like very clearly the creator stuff, which we'll go into now because I think it's opened up a bunch of doors. So we want to give people some examples of what could be created and also, you know,
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to share your stuff. And then I guess creator tools, but not sorry, that first book, it was more content. And then like general creator tools, like personal websites, which is very cool, because you have officially moved over from Squarespace and cancelled a $200 a year. So
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subscription and you are now just you've just vibe coded this insane website so we'll do that and then and then maybe we'll kind of maybe we won't screen share any of this but we'll maybe run through a couple of examples of use cases for organizational tools because i think um we've both found that super helpful but um it's more an admin side but very important and very fun
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Nice. Nice. Okay. So content tools. So you in your non-sleeping time, which is now all the time, have made some really cool tools. Why don't you show us? Well, A, you've got a suite, right? So overall... I did. I accidentally built a suite. Yeah.
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Yes. And we will link everything below guys because I actually think some of this is like, well, I don't think I know it's very useful stuff and I'm using it myself. So and we're using it for the podcast too. So what we'll do is we'll share a quick oversight of like the whole suite of tools and then maybe we'll show like one of them and you can talk us through kind of what it does and maybe how you built it and that sort of stuff.
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Yeah. Nice. Let's do it. Let's do it. All right. All right, guys. It's YouTubeProducer.app is the website. Yeah. Link in description. And basically this, I'm going to move my screen so I can see. Yeah. So you built, was this the very first thing you built? Like, create a tool?
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Yeah, this was the very first thing. It took me six full days of it. This was during Lunar New Year break. So in between my family yelling at each other, I was just minding my own business. And if I couldn't, you know, typical Asian household, you know, you know the drill. Standard. I do. Yep. Yeah. So this, I built a landing page because I thought the tool wasn't straightforward. But basically, you've seen these kind of stuff pop up on Instagram. And the way we've done it in the creator world this whole time is,
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is we've done this manually. Like we've screenshot it, we put it in Canva, we write a caption, we have to pull out the caption ourselves. And I just thought it was really... So for context for anyone who didn't switch over to YouTube, this is called a YouTube quote carousel. So basically... Oh, yes. So basically, yeah, this creates a carousel for you and kind of what it does is it takes...
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Sorry, the manual version of this is you would have taken screenshots or screen grabs from a video or a podcast. You would have found the relevant talking points and you would have typed it up and created it in Canva or wherever. And then you would export it and upload it. But this tool does what exactly, Becky?
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Yeah, this, how it works is you put in your URL, you decide how many frames you want to capture. And the reason for this is if your video has a lot of B-rolls and stuff, you want more frames so that the chance of it getting like a talking head screenshot is higher. You have to paste the transcript because YouTube blocks a lot of stuff. And then, but it runs through Gemini. It picks out the best like quote sequences. And then you can kind of style it and export it into...
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zip files or jpegs, but actually I made a test run with one of our stuff. Nice. Nice. Yeah. So just to clarify for guys, so basically you give it the URL for the YouTube video that you want to pull.
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You then, yeah, the frames are basically the snapshots, like the screen grabs of how many you want. And you want that selection because obviously some of them you'll be pulling some weird faces. So you want a decent amount of selection so you can pick the good ones. And then, yeah, like Becky said, you need to specifically paste in the transcript because we can't, like YouTube won't let us go and grab them.
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that yeah my tool breaks if i try to make that feature work maybe one day but not not today i already spent six days on it i thought it was time to let it go um and then it spits out this incredible thing
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Yeah, so you can just pick frames. You can adjust the text size. Some of my colleagues asked for specific fonts and features as well. This is the font of user Ali Abdel. Yeah, so they've been all deployed. Quick note, this is a paid font. So it detects if you don't have this font in your library, it doesn't show up.
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But yeah, it can change the color, it can change the gradients, which is insane. I didn't know that this was a... Apparently, this is a really easy JavaScript fix, according to Claude. But my favorite part is that you can go like 101 and it just... The format just changes and you can export as like a zip file for the text.
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just the frames or PDF because on LinkedIn, they only take PDF. So it immediately collates everything into a PDF file. So smart. Yeah. And then see, janky screenshots. But basically... But then you can just change it up. So you click into it and you're like, cool, that is not a good screenshot. Let me click into that and let me pick another one out of, you know, this 50-odd that have been generated on the side. If there is like some stuff that you'd want to hide element, you can zoom in, zoom out. But yeah, this is insane. The fact that I can build this is insane. Yeah.
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Well, you put yourself down there. I think you're very smart. Thank you. So, but I understand the gist of that in that as a non-coder, it's incredible. You have built an app, a fully functioning app that is hosted online that anybody can use and lots of people are using. We've seen lots of people use this and it's actually really cool, right?
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Yes, it is insane. One of, yeah, I've sent this around to a couple of people in exchange for reporting bugs and stuff. So far, nobody has reported anything. So that's good to know. But yeah, I've started building a suite of things.
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So just on the, sorry, just on the like, the gimbal podcast, shout out to those guys. They have used it, which is super cool. They're our buddies over in the States somewhere. They have an incredibly cool podcast, by the way, guys. We'll link it in the description. Go check it out. They talk to some really cool people. Yeah. One super cool person in particular, I know, is the one you're having in mind. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
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no well actually that's okay i think we have mentioned them before because when you were going on the podcast we talked about it um but yeah well actually that's a good point let's link your episode um below um so yeah guys go and check out becky's episode with the gimbal podcast becky talks about all her stuff you working as a youtube producer for ali abdahl um really cool behind the scenes but yeah the gimbal guys um talked a really cool like
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operators and people behind the scenes for really big creators. So definitely go check it out. But yeah, they were using it. That must be freaking cool to see your app that you vibe coded being used by other people out in the wild.
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Yeah, I think I've had, I've seen at least like three people use it now that is not like Team Ali. So yeah, one is Gimbal, one is Paul Miller, who like tried it out and he immediately was like, oh my God, I don't use tools if they're not easy. This is really easy to use. So that was great.
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And one is this art YouTuber called Justin Donaldson. I think he and I were chatting about YouTube a while back and I just sent him this thing. I was like, hey, try it out. And he immediately used it for one of his art interviews and posted a carousel. I was like, wow, people are like really using this thing. It's insane.
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Yep. It's cool. And you guys are using it internally at Team Ali? Yes, we are using it internally at Team Ali to help. Yeah, because this thing used to take like, well, like half a day, a full day, a week, if you want to properly do it. And what happens is we end up not posting these code carousels because they were just too annoying to make. Yeah.
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And now it's just a click of a button in the background. Okay. And then you went from there and then you built a whole suite. So do you want to just like maybe give us a quick overview of like the other things? Give people a flavor of what you can build. That's true. Okay. So podcast packager, this is inspired by how every single week we try to figure out, meaning Bob, tries to figure out what to title this podcast. And I was like, ah, there must be a way to like take...
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our transcript and then you're basically saying stop asking me how do I replace me uh in the process so I can just literally go and figure it out herself and you made you made a tool for that
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This is me vibe coding my job one tool at a time, literally. So Packager is one of the... It's literally called Podcast Packager, and it's trained on titles that are working on YouTube and specifically on creator podcasts, because that's what we are. So the best performing one. So basically, the idea is you can paste...
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your transcript in and then it comes up with like a title and Bob was like I want thumbnail text and I was like fine I'll add that feature in and then she was like oh I want to be able to generate my own thumbnail text from like a title that I pick and I was like fine so I added that in so I respond to user feedback. You make me sound not fun. I'm sorry.
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I want some thumbnail text. I'm sorry. I don't know how... I was trying to do that in a British accent, but nothing is coming off. It did not work. You just made me sound real stupid, but that's okay. No, but... But it's great. So from me, when I wasn't coding, I was like...
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Becky, can you fix this? But I guess the point is, it's very easy to then tweak because like you said, Claude basically debugs itself. It just, it understands things. It's so incredibly smart. I've been blown away at how smart it is. It's insane. I just honestly just copy and paste Bob's WhatsApp message into Claude.
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And it goes away and does the thing. Yeah, I don't even try to paraphrase it all. It's like, hey, straight from the source. You don't even read the message. You're just like, Claude, deal with this. Barthes messaging me again. For the love of God, I don't have time for this. I have a job and a side hustle and a side side hustle. And I don't need all of these. Go away. And Claude's like, don't worry, I got you. I got you.
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Hey, but we... But it worked. It worked. Helping other people too. Another tool that I've built is... This is kind of funny. So the story of this is like... I was looking at... We host office hours. Where we... Creative office hours, guys. Creative office hours. Link in description. Yeah.
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exactly where we help people um just kind of try to come up with their next uh we'll just help people create online in general and one of the questions we get asked a lot from like um people is like what should our next video be and this is like a very specifically a small creator question because the big creators would have a team to scurry off and like look for video ideas the small creators who are doing this on the side are busy trying to make the dang video like they don't
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I don't know actually how long this will take, but it literally would like analyze channel, find peer channels to tech outlier videos and generate video ideas. And give you a report. Yeah. It's kind of cool. So guys, I guess one, Oh, there it is. It's starting to do its thing. Um,
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I guess one of the reasons we want to do this is to show you what can be possible and how much you can create without any experience and how cool Claude Code is and also just to kind of go
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This is definitely what a small creator's need, right? It's like, these are the tools. So it's almost like, think of where your time is going or what would be helpful or the tasks you're doing again and again. And actually like, now you can basically create anything. So go test it out and go play with it. Okay, we have results. That was me yapping while I was doing some results. Yeah. So it's analyzed your channel. Tell us what it's doing. Yeah, it analyzed the channel. It analyzed my channel. It found...
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I designed it so that it can find sort of pure channels that are one level up. So I have like 2.4k subscribers. So it's looking for someone the next level. Because if I'm looking at videos from people who are 100,000 subscriber count, like they won't apply to me, but I just want somebody one level ahead. So that's what it's doing. And that's like hard because finding a small channel is really, really hard. So I think that's where like this is really, really helpful. It found good performing videos from their channels.
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three of those examples in order to give me an idea of like, oh, actually, this has worked on like at least three channels of a similar size, slightly bigger size than me. So it means that if I make these videos, the chances of it succeeding are
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kind of high so this is like marrying small creator but also like my youtube strategy hat and just trying to be like because i would love to do this for everybody i speak to but in reality is i don't have the time and resources to even do this for myself um yeah so you made a tool for that made a tool for that yeah literally just unloading a little bit of my brain into this um here on the bottom it there's an explanation a short explanation how nice these things are generated
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Okay, this is incredible. So this is just a snapshot of what you can go and do, guys, if you want to go and create some tools. Go play with Clawcode is the general gist of it. We will link. So this is YouTubeProducer.app, and you can access all of Becky's suite. So go and check that out. Link in the description. But also, please play around with Clawcode. So we will now move on to the second bucket of cool things is...
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personal websites so we were we'll move on to your second we'll start with small creative big world so we were like oh it'd be cool to have a website um and naturally i was like we were like where should we host it and you host you hosted your personal one on squarespace we're like we could do that we could use card.co because that's like incredibly easy it's just a landing page but like a slightly like developed landing page we were just like we want something to point people to
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And then you just ended up vibe coding it. Tell us what that process was like. Yeah, I did a V1 of it on cursor because I was still not on quad code. And it was kind of annoying, but I was kind of doing it back and forth. So we had it up and running for a while. We didn't really tell people about it because...
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why um it's just a website uh but then we call it i think that's the point of the website but yeah it's also it's also as working process yeah working process um but we thought it was better to have a website than none work in progress sorry work in progress um and then we decided like hey actually why don't we try to um
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migrate this website as in like remake this website using cloud code so what i did it was i literally loaded the project file and i was like hey remake this website that's all i said and then it just it just did it yeah it just did it and this is what it looks like um right now actually i'm curious so this one says like four o'clock but i kind of asked it to be dynamic so i think if you open it on yours it should say your local time zone
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Oh, okay. Let's do a quick test team. So we'll create a big world. Dot com. Dot com. Yeah, 8am. Nice. It is absolutely dynamic. Yep. It's dynamic. Yeah. And I asked her to basically pull the latest one from Luma, which is insane. Because all of these things, man, like all these website providers, they like to gatekeep services.
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features that are like dynamic and they have you upgrade to like the next tier um which is really annoying because we're already paying a lot of money for something we're doing on the side um so yeah this um this is basically we're browsing we're scrolling through on lists of our episodes this also updates dynamically um
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We have a publishing challenge. This also updates dynamically. It says 31 days because it's March. Amazing. Smart. On that, guys, we're doing a March publishing challenge. I think when this episode is released, it might be the end of March. But we will likely run these monthly. So at that point, we might be kicking off an April publishing challenge. Basically, sorry, the gist of it is, guys, we run or will be running monthly publishing challenges to keep people accountable. So...
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like if you could turn up to our office hours you will have heard us yap about this but um it's really cool we ran our first one in february and it went really really well we had this we have this incredible group of people and like we all just mentioned our goal we check in like every day mostly and people are posting stuff so we're going to keep it going um so highly likely there'll be one for april i will cut this if it's not um by the time we post it but
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Yeah, if you need a little bit of accountability or you want to talk to other creators, other small creators, then hit us up. Yeah. And if you want Dice. Yeah. So just join the challenge. You can either comment or you can reach out to either Bob or myself and we'll just add you in. It's a WhatsApp group and that's why we haven't posted the link super publicly. But yeah. Newsletter.
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Basically, again, this is like, and that's us. Oh my goodness. It's incredible. It is incredible how easy it is to make a website that looks good. So guys, if you've been sleeping on your personal website, like I have, I actually made something in card.co and I never like transferred the domain over. I'm now probably in the next week or so, just going to vibe code my own personal website.
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Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited because I now have the data. And actually, Claude can also help me. Okay, so let me just talk out loud. Write the copy. It can help me write the copy. So, guys, basically...
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I use Qwixcard.co and I still highly recommend that. It's like $10, $15 for the year or something bonkers. And it lets you just create this really basic but good enough websites. It's fantastic. And I created it and it looks great. I've got the images, I've got the sections. And then I just kind of got stuck with the final tweaking of the copy and the wording because that is not my strong suit. And then...
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Yeah, basically, I can now ask Claude Code, or Claude, whichever, I can ask Claude. I was about to call him Claude. I can ask Claude. Claude. To now fill in my copy. And I'm actually really excited to get back on the website building thing. So I will join you. But while we're here in screen sharing, do you want to really quickly share your, your,
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your new personal website that you moved over. So basically Becky was on, while you do that, Becky was on Squarespace and had been hosting there for many a year. And yeah, like 200 quid a month, sorry, not a month, a year or something, $200 a year to, to kind of host and have it there. So we've moved away from that. Yeah.
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And you've just vibe coded this, which is really freaking cool. Yeah. And the way I did it was I asked Claude to scrape my existing website basically so I don't lose anything. So it has a record of everything. And then I was like, I want to make a whole new landing page. And then because it iterates so quickly. Oh, guess how long it took for me to build this? Please tell me. What? No, I'm guessing. I'm guessing. I'm guessing. Three hours. Three hours.
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Less than one. Damn. Yeah. And because it could just like spit out mock-ups just like really, really quickly. I was like, I don't like the color. I don't like the font. I don't like the style. And at first it gave me like a really basic like, like, you know, minimalistic notion as kind of thing. And I was like, no, I want a personal website to be kind of fun. I want it to be stationary. I want it to be filmed. And then I was like, oh my God, I can. And I was like, I wanted it to be like maybe like side-scrolling gaming. And then I was like, oh, my light just died.
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Hang on. Please hold. It's very dark over there. Secondary light. There you go. Good enough. Good enough. 80-20, guys. 80-20. 80-20. And then...
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I was like, oh, gaming. And I was like, oh my god, Dungeons and Dragons and like a D&D character sheet. But it's so fun. I'm such a nerd. But look at this. Such a nerd. So the bars load. Guild, Small Crater, Big World. And then I made it like a quest log for what I, like this is basically like my portfolio. And then these are like my abilities. And then inventory. It's so old.
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and like four out of six equipped because only four are live but basically i just like was able to ask it to do everything in my style and like i would have never been able to code this like guys this is all like dynamic like components with like javascript and stuff like i would never be able to do this uh and then here want me for your next adventure you can hire me or recruit me to your party that is so cool okay yeah nice guys for anyone listening
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If we could set you some homework, if you've been sleeping like I have on the personal website, let's all personal website together. This, this is very, very cool. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I like this. I like this a lot. So in a nutshell, basically, Crawl Code is incredible.
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It can do basically anything. Yes, there is. Sorry. No, there is basically no learning curve. You just ask it. And if you have a question, you ask it and it will tell you the answer. So it will walk you through stuff. So you got me set up at the weekend, which was incredibly helpful. Thank you.
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And by setup, I just literally sat there as you installed Claude into your terminal. Actually, good caveat. There is no real setup. Yeah, that is all I'm doing, by the way. I'm like literally forcing people. So now I'm just as insistent as Alex to be like, hey, guys, like literally screen share. And I'm going to sit here and wait for you until you install Claude on your terminal. And then you can go off.
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Okay, how about this? How about this? Bear with. Yes, I'm signing you up for more work, but that's okay because it's you. How about we host... Can we host a little workshop? So not a normal creative office hours. Yes. Okay, so let's do this. Let's host, and I'm absolutely giving you work. Let's host a intro to Claude Code workshop. Okay. And then instead of doing it for one-on-one for people, you can mass...
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mass um in like teach people and then we can record it as well so if we needed to give it to people and let's walk people through and let's come up with a little like project within that for them to work on in the session and then they will leave that having claude installed understand the ins and outs and have their first project kicking off and realize how simple it is and maybe we can create
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Maybe within our community, we can create a little Claude Club. Claude Club. Ooh, Claude Club. Okay, what about, as you were saying, you wanted to make your personal website? That could be our thing. I do like that, but I wasn't sure if that was too much for the first session. I wonder if it's better to keep something small that someone can start and finish within the session. And we probably want it to be under an hour. We can figure that out. Okay. Or you can figure that out because it's your session. No, we can figure that out. No, no, no, we will figure that out.
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But that could be cool. Okay. You're in? You're in? Cool. I'm glad you're in. Let's do it. Okay. In that case, I never set us up with some stuff, but I will do this. Okay, guys. In that case, if you are interested and want to join a Claude...
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Claude Code workshop to get up and running and learn with us, then... Oh, sign up's a link. We'll do a sign up. I can set something up. Okay. Good plug. Guys, if you want to join a workshop for Claude Code and get intro'd, sign up in the description. Link below. How's that?
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Great. Love it. Beautiful. Okay. I'll figure out. We'll figure out what we'll be workshopping on by then. It will be code-code related. Yes. Yes. Sorry. By the time this goes live, that will be cemented. We would have figured it out. We'll have figured it out. Oh, that means I can get into Kit and do a landing page. Finally. We can make... Okay. No. Yep. No. Okay. Okay. Okay. Should we wrap up with some updates? I'm so excited.
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Okay. I don't know if we have updates outside of we've just been playing with Claude, but let's find out. Oh, sorry. No, I lie. I lie. One other thing I want to call out is that you can use Claude code for some cool organization things. And actually, I'm just going to blitz through the list of stuff that we have done. Is that one cool thing that we've created is, and I stole this off you, I just recreated what you created. But basically, we both record all our calls using Fathom, which is incredible and free.
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But I definitely forget sometimes what I've talked about. So basically, we've created a thing where Fathom, once a day,
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Claude code will run and you can set these tasks to run in the background as long as your computer on, which is fantastic. Once a day, Claude, mine's 9pm, yours is 5am. We're different people. We'll basically run and it will pull any Fathom recordings from the day and add it to a Notion database, a recordings database.
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and mine pulls the so I don't know if ours is slightly different so um but basically it's pulling the recording and I get mine to pull in the transcript um summarize the the recording itself and then pull out all the action points which is incredible I don't necessarily need to go into all of them but that's an example of tools you could use and then I got it to clean up my downloads folder which was amazing because it was such a mess um so that was beautiful um and then
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What ad many things? Anything else? So I send all my action items to things, which is the to-do list app that you got me hooked on. It's incredible. That's amazing. What else do I do? I'm also using it to organize files. So currently I am transcribing.
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all 700 of Ali Abdel's short form content that we posted last year and trying to use Claude to organize it. Inspired by you actually, because he used it to organize screenshots. And I was like, oh, maybe I can use it to do, to read video, but read video through transcript. I'm glad I inspire you to create all of these apps. It's my ineptitude that has given you, I'm like, I can't be bothered to do this. I need this. Can you do this? And you're like, you know something, please stop talking to me. I'm gonna create an app for that. So I'm glad it could be useful.
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But guys, maybe in the workshop we can do an organization thing because that'll be nice and easy. It would be fun. Actually, one thing I forgot to share is I've also been using this cloud for data analytics. So it's not just building stuff. Yes. So we're rewinding back a bit. Okay. I wonder if I can move this in the edit. If I haven't moved it in the edit, it's because I couldn't.
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Nice. Yeah. Love it. But basically, I used this. I was trying to figure out basically what makes a thumbnail work for an Ali Abdel video. The thesis of this was a video we published last week was a 9 of 10. And I wanted to figure it out how to improve it. And I was like, oh, let me run this big data analysis. This sounds so overkill. Of course. Instead of just looking at like, hey, let's look at the last...
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like increase the size of Ali's face. But I was like, let me run an analysis of 776 videos, 57 channels. Okay. Guys, this is where Claude becomes a dangerous thing to have in your life. Because you know, when we said, hey, you can create anything, suddenly you're creating shit that you do not need. You literally created anything. But look at that. It like literally was able to pull an analysis of like Ali's best performing videos, what the thumbnails are. Cool.
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What are the elements that could make it better? And then at the very bottom... It basically told you to just make Ali's face bigger, didn't it? That was the conclusion of the entire analysis. Yes, but I wouldn't have come to the conclusion without this thing. In the bottom... Oh, God. Are we going to get to a point where AI... We are going to get to a point where we just don't even think for ourselves. Is that basically where we're heading? That is your fear. I would like to not think. Okay, okay.
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I think my mum did say that to me the other day or something like that. Cause I was talking to her about, I got all excited and obviously she doesn't understand all of these things, but I was trying to explain AI to her. And she was like, she was basically like, do you do anything yourself? Like, could you be any lazier? I'm like, but it's doing it for me. And she's like, I set it up. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah, I've added this feature. It doesn't work live because I didn't set it up to work live. But basically, I can upload a draft thumbnail and it'll tell me what to fix and stuff. Nice, nice. Yeah, it's literally pulling data from all... And I don't even think we specified the competitors. I just asked it to figure out competitors. Because...
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Yeah, we don't think of Mr. Beast. Oh, this is Colin and Samir and John Yushe. But for some reason, it's all Mr. Beast. We don't think of Mr. Beast as our competitor. No, I wouldn't say you're in the same camp. Not at all. But look at that. On E-games. Coming soon. 2027. God, please don't. Okay.
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But yeah, this is like insane amount of data analytics. And like the way I can just like present this, not just like the way it also not just does the analysis, but it's also able to present it in a way that's like digestible. Because I can like read this and I can know what's up and I can share this with my colleagues and they can also understand the analysis of this. Yeah. Instead of me putting together, this would have taken me like,
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Like even with like Notion AI and stuff, maybe still like three full days to put together. And meanwhile, this just happens in the background while I'm in Photoshop trying to fix the dang thumbnail. Anyway, that's my last case. Nice. I love it. Okay, cool. Should we wrap up with some quickfire updates?
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What have you been doing in the last... Actually, I actually think we only recorded... Did we record last week or was it the week before? Has it been two? Yes, but something major has happened. I lost a bone. Well, specifically, I got my wisdom tooth pulled out. That made it sound really dramatic. And I was like, oh my God, how did I not know this? And actually, you just meant you had a tooth taken out. I lost a bone. And one bone left. Okay, all right. I'm also less wise. So, you know, this... You lost a wisdom tooth. I lost a wisdom tooth. Can't help it. You lost a wisdom tooth. Condolences. Condolences.
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Yeah. Okay. That was your update? That's my update. I'm on like, I'm all drugged up with paint tellers. Yeah. That's my update.
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Okay. No, that's fair. Yeah, that's fair. Okay. I mean, I came at you for that and I actually have zero updates. So no, no, my update is my update is Claude Code. I spent the weekend playing with it. And now I'm excited. All the doors it is opening. We will keep you updated. If there is anything, we might come back next episode and be like, Oh, the hype's died down. I don't, I don't imagine that's a thing, but.
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Yeah, what else has been going on? I inadvertently have gone from working not that much to potentially working a lot, which is interesting. I don't know what happened. But I guess this was an issue that you came up against. I think we talked about this a few episodes ago. You were like...
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I have a problem. I'm at capacity. I actually, it's a good problem, but I can't take on any more work. And we were like, oh, cool. And I think I've just hit that wall. I'm like, ooh. And I was ready to take my sabbatical V2 and only work like, you know, a couple of days a week. And now I'm like, ooh. Yeah.
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that's not gonna happen I guess that's a good problem um but yeah I guess that that is my update but what's cool is yeah I'm actually sorry to bring it back to Claude given that that is the episode what I found is the people I'm working with are very much like are you up to speed with Claude code can we build some cool stuff and I'm like yes yes now we can now I know I know what so yeah the gist of it is
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Claude has taken over my life recently. Yeah. I was about to say, oh, that actually reminds me. I also just bumped up into the same problem you had because I also just parted ways to the client like literally last week. And I was like, yes, I have time back. And then this week, Gimbal and I spoke and I'm helping them out. Oh.
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Well, it was fun while it lasted, hey? It was fun while it lasted. But yes, it'll be fun to figure out, I think, just to hang out with more.
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YouTube nerds. And I think I wasn't looking for more clients, but because I love the guys there. And I kind of talk to them actually almost every day about like YouTube stuff. You've stalked your way into it, haven't you? They're basically like, oh my God, just give her something to do because she keeps popping up. Yeah. I'm literally on their Slack every day being like, hey guys, what do you do about A-B testing? Hey guys, what do you do about YouTube analytics? Can I work with you? Yeah.
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Guys, please. It's a strategy and it works. Hey, it works. It works. Oh, also, I like, I had another update. I went to a creator leaders dinner.
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I think I talked about this way back when. So there's a community over in the UK. They're UK-based. That doesn't mean they won't because they went to Dubai. It's called Creator Leaders. Previously, Creator Space or something. But anyway, beside the point, Creator Leaders, really cool bunch of people. And our buddy, Iram, is now head of community for them. Hi, Iram. Iram, head of social media. Hello, Iram. I don't think she actually watches. I'm not even sure she knows. Bye, Iram. Bye, Iram.
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but damn savage okay um and anyway so it's a really cool thing and they host dinners once a month um for like 25 people or something um to all creators to all get together creators entrepreneurs incredible group of people
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And I went along and it was really fun. I caught up with lots of people I know, met people I didn't know. Daniel Priestley turned up and he gave out a bunch of books. He's actually just written a new book called The Lifestyle Business Playbook. Here you go.
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This is my sign copy. Show off. Yeah, no, the evening was great. The food was great. The people were great. So again, and I think we've said this many, many a time before, if you can get along to any creator events and speak to other creators, go. Even if it's like far out, even if it feels like such a pain in the ass to do, go. I think only good things can come from them. Maybe next time I'll give a bit more of a download because I think there was some cool stuff. But yeah, that's the general update.
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I think we did that really nice and quickly. It's one of our quickest little updates. So, yeah, guys. Okay, plug time. Right, rate my plug. Shit, what was I plugging?
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Zero stars. No, no, no. One day, guys, I will get good at this. Okay, guys, links in the description to everything we talked about. Sign up to... I'm not going to plug everything. Links in the description. But what we will say is we've decided to run a workshop for Intro to Claude and getting... No, Intro to Claude Code and get... Slash Claude Code work.
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getting up and running. Link in description. Sign up. We will host that soon. And it'll be really cool if we get enough interest and people actually want to hear from us and rock up to that. So, yep. That's my plug. Please don't bring my plug. That was awful. Do you want to close this out? Yeah, we'll see you guys there. Either here or just around. Feel free to follow us or hit us up anywhere. Hi, Alison. Hi, Corliss. Who else are we supposed to say hi to?
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Paul checks in. Hi, Paul. Thanks for listening. I felt like we were up to like a whole five people, but maybe not. Three regulars. Three regulars. Thanks so much for tuning in. We'll catch you guys in the next one. And now go hit publish. Hit publish. Bye, team. Bye.