Serial Killer Documentary - Convicted murderer Mary Rice talks killing spree along Florida-Alabama coast, claims innocence

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My name is Mary Rice, M-A-R-Y Rice, R-I-C-E.
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And like I said, if there's anything you don't want
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to talk about, just let me know. But to start,
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tell me a little bit about you and who you are.
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Okay, so how deep would you like me to go
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in on that? Because we can go pretty deep.
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Well, so we have a lot of questions. So let's
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just start with kind of a short synopsis of who
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you are, and then we'll kind of go through. I think,
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did she send you some of my questions that I
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had sent her? I have a couple additional, but that's
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a majority of what I have.
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Okay.
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So start with telling me a little bit about you.
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Okay, so I've been through a lot of trauma in
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my life and everything. And I was married and divorced.
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And basically, I'm a mom. So my children are my
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life and I'm a mom.
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How many kids do you have?
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I have, I had four. Two have passed away. One
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since I've been here five years ago. And I have
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two living.
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I'm sorry about your loss.
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Thanks.
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How old are your babies that are with us still?
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So my baby just turned 18. And then my oldest
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just turned 25. And I have two wonderful grandbabies. Awesome. Yes.
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And so....
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Let me go through this.
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Tell me a little bit. And I did read Rachel
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sent me through your appellate testimony. So I did read
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through some of that to try and refresh myself a
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little bit. Tell me a little bit about how you
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met Billy.
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So I met Billy. I went to Tara Freeman, for
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which is one of my really good friends, Herman Jeffrey Stubbs,
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his girlfriend. So she had come over to my house
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and she had asked me if I wanted to go
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visit him in Santa Rosa County Jail. He was locked
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up at the time and I said I did. So
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we both, I went with her and we went to
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visit him. While we were there, Billy Boyette popped up
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on the screen and just like popped up and jetted
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down like in the little corner. And he was like,
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this is a friend of mine and he wanted to
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know if I would write him because Billy I wrote
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people in prison. My brother was in prison, and I
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was part of a prison writing ministry at St. Mary's Episcopal.
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We would do God letters to people. We would write
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people uplifting letters, everything, and I was part of that.
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I also ran the daycare at St. Mary's for a
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very long time. So it was something that we did,
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and they would go in, and they would see people
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that were approved would go in and see them and
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pray for them while they were locked up and everything.
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So I was like, sure, I didn't mind, and I
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helped a lot of people You know, I had resources
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through the church and other things to where I could
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help people get clothes, the whole nine yards, help them,
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you know, with the banks for food, help them do
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food stamps and everything else because I'd gone through some
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of that stuff myself, being a single mom, you know.
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So I told him, sure, I would ride him and everything. So,
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and then after I rode him, I rode him one time,
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then my brother, I talked to my brother on the phone.
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My brother was in prison and When I talked to
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my brother, he was like, stop riding him. Don't ride
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him anymore. And I was like, why? Why don't you
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want me riding him? And he was like, well, so
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my brother was into a lot of things and he
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had gotten in trouble. He was in prison. So he
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had told me to stop riding him.
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So I stopped riding him.
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I had told Jeff that I wouldn't ride him anymore.
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And he was like, well, why? But my brother had
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told me that they had business dealing gone wrong. And
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there was some money short. There was an argument. There
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was guns drawn. The whole nine yards that he had
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basically a vendetta against him or what. Israel James was
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his partner on a lot of things and one of
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his best friends. And Billy Boyette, apparently, I would find
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this out, you know, through my brother, in that he
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had attacked him with a catclaw, and there was, like,
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reports and everything. They had went to jail. Israel did
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and him. It was a violent scene, everything else. I
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would find out more about him later on. I really
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didn't know anything about him. So I was like, okay.
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So I wrote Jeff, and I was like, I'm... I'm
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not going to write him anymore. Can you let him know?
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So he was like, okay, I will. And when Billy
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had wrote me, he had wrote me asking me if
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I could help him and everything else when he got out.
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That never happened. So I never made contact like that
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with him when he got out.
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After that whole thing happened and your brother had kind
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of given you that warning, how did it come about
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to where he knew where you lived and was coming
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to your house?
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Well, the first letter that I had wrote him, my
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address was on there. So I couldn't do anything about that.
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The damage was already done through the very first letter.
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So I couldn't take that back after it was done. Okay.
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Pardon if I kind of go around because because of
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the short time, I'm going to kind of jump a
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little bit because I have read through your version of events.
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So I don't want to take 25, 30 minutes talking
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through quite all of that and then maybe some of
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this important stuff. Talk to me a little bit about
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I know he threatened your family.
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Yes.
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At any point, did you find out if there was
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any truth to that?
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OK, so he had told me that he had there
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was an abandoned house. place somewhere along the road where
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my ex-mother-in-law had stayed. He told me that there was
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someone staying in it and that was watching my kids.
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He knew where my kids went to school. He knew
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what bus they rode. He knew what time that they
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went to school, that they got out of school. He
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knew where my mom worked. He knew where she lived.
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My mom told me later on, after all this, she
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had told me that she had seen him in the
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store When she seen a picture of him on the TV,
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she was like, oh, my God, I remember that guy
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because he stood off. He kind of acted weird. And
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she remembered him coming into the store and like scoping
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it out, you know, and made her kind of feel uncomfortable.
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But she did at the time. She didn't think anything of.
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It, you know, until later on. And then she was like, oh,
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my God, that was him.
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So he definitely had followed her, you know, places and
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she had noticed. And he knew where my brother was
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in prison. And he was connected. He had been in
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and out of prison, so he knew people. So he
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had someone watching my.
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Brother as well.
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And whenever he told me that, I believed him with everything.
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And what was the second.
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Part of the question? Do you know if he actually, like,
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after everything ended, do you know if he was telling
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you the truth? Did he have someone actually there watching,
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or was that just him using a ruse?
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Okay, so I had told the detectives... And I told
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my lawyer at the time, for which was Kenneth Brooks.
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I told them about that. And I told them, please,
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go look. Go look across the street from Norma's. Go
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check everything out. I told him, you know, whenever they
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did the interview with the deposition with Mr. Hunt, I
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guess he was in the apartment above where everything had happened,
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I guess. I learned this in trial. He had said
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something about a guy had come and visited him. They
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never followed up on that. They never followed up on
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the leads that I told them about going and checking
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about an empty place to see if there was any
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remains of anything, you know, cigarette buds, if there was
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any garbage that was left behind, anything that showed where
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someone had been sitting there. You know, for an extensive
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period of time, you know, there would be stuff there.
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And I told them, you know, could you please go
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and check this out? And Mr. Brooks was like, oh,
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I do all my detective work by myself, so I'll go.
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And he never did. They never followed up on it. Nothing.
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So you don't know if there was someone watching your
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family as he said there was?
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I mean, I know what he said. And I believed
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it with the way he treated me and everything happened
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on my eight-day nightmare. Yes, absolutely. I believed that there
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was definitely someone on the other end of that phone
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that he could call. And if he did make that
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phone call, they wouldn't have had time to call the
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police because someone running up in your house, they could
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get six rounds off on you. Before you could even breathe. Yeah,
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he could have killed everyone in the house. And that
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was not a chance I was willing to take after
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losing a child already.
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And that was what I was going to ask, because
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I don't know if I read it in your testimony
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or if I listened to a podcast where you mentioned it,
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but you said something about if you were to have
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told anybody in any of the stores you were in
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or the places that you went that you were afraid
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the cops couldn't outrun that phone call.
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Right. You can't outrun a phone call when someone calls someone.
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That's immediate. Right. It's not like you walk down the
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road and then you have to walk back. That's right then.
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That's okay. They hang up and they're out the door.
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You can't outrun that. Just like you can't outrun a
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place radio or anything else. You just, you can't.
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Did you ever think about leaving notes that way? Like
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when you and he left a place, they left it
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behind where he couldn't see that you had done something.
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Okay. So he paid the way that he parked in
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a lot of spots and the places that he went to,
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he was in Walmart with me. So he would have
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seen anything. And whenever we went to, like, GNC, there
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was big, huge windows. I mean, he could see everything
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in there. He parked right up front. He had a
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gun on us the whole time. He would have shot
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through that glass. He would have killed the person in
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there along with me, no doubt in my mind. So
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he watched everything that we'd done. And if I would
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have slipped something to someone, and I wasn't willing to
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risk my family, because at this point, it's like, I should,
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I'm missing. I know I'm missing. I know my family
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knows that I'm missing. The shape that I looked in,
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you know, it was like, how could someone just look
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at me and be like, okay, everything's fine. I had
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a black eye. I had, you know, I was, busted
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up pretty bad talking to these people at GNC. I
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gave them my full name, my address. I'm on the
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TV at this point. I know I am because it's
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already days into this. You know, there has to be
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a misdemeanor person's report because I know my family. If
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I don't talk to them every single day, they're wondering
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where I am, what's going on. the whole nine yards.
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And then I didn't show up for work. Absolutely, there's
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something going on. And there was a missing person to report,
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I found out. So with that, I'm all over the news.
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So I'm figuring I'm in public. I'm trying to take
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my time, but do what I need to do. I'm
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figuring someone could call because if I do, then I
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could take a chance of my kids dying. And then, okay,
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then I would be free. But then I would be
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visiting my whole family in a grave. Now what, where's
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the justice in that?
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So one of the things that has gone back and
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forth in the public eye is whether you were in
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a relationship with Billy or not. Why do people say
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that you were in a relationship with him?
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Okay, so the state said that I was in a
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relationship with him, but I was not in a relationship
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with him. Let me get that straight. His girlfriend was
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Alicia Greer. It was not Mary Rice. It was Alicia Greer.
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And I had met her one time whenever they had
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come to my place to pick up Jeffrey Stubbs from
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my house.
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And talk a little bit. I did hear in the
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podcast you mentioned about some of the text messages that
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they didn't look like anything you had ever seen before.
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No, you text like you talk. And these messages I
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had never seen. So I have paperwork here. where Detective Bainey,
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this was one of my amended grounds to my 3850.
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It says, newly discovered evidence, the termination of Officer Jimmy
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Tatum for untruthfulness and criminal mischief. So whenever you put
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something up, there was a lot of the text messages
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that had times and date stamps on them. Some of
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them didn't. Some of the pictures were out of my
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gallery that I had never sent to anyone. So with this,
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I have paperwork. So I wrote my lawyer and I
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have paperwork where they sent me that about my case
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that they were, yes, he was untruthful in my case
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and everything. And I have paperwork here. I have paperwork
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here for, it wasn't just my case. It was other
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people's cases with the state's attorney. and Mr. Brooks, where
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they were talking things over. But unless I had requested
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this and I heard this, I just so happened to
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hear this. But I told him in court that day,
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I didn't say that. I didn't send that. That's out
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of my gallery. I never sent that to anyone. That
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was a picture, personal picture that I had taken that
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I had never sent anyone. And then he writes me
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back and he says, he tells me, I did receive
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the information from the state attorney's office on Officer Tatum
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was terminated from his position with the Escambia County Sheriff's
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Office for untruthfulness and criminal mischief. Enclosed is a notice
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of the copy of the investigation. I received the report
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and nothing in it appears to have bearing on your
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case except for he was untruthful in your case. I
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hope this information is helpful. Okay, well, if you were
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untruthful in my case, you were the head investigator in
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my case. So that means that you're tampering with things,
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you're lying about things to make it a story that
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fits you. Because basically what it comes down to is
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how can a state attorney tell me what went on
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on this eight day nightmare? How can you tell me
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my story and my testimony? You can't, you weren't there.
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Only I can tell you what happened to me, not you.
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With that, have you been able to use that in
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any sort of appeals?
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So I sent this. This was part of my 3850,
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and the courts felt like they accepted it. It was
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timely done. It's amended, and this is my copy of it.
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And I sent it in. It was timely done, and
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it was added to my 3850 along with the... I
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have so many grounds, so many grounds that if I
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had had my discovery that I would have been, I
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would have brought these things up because I would have
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went through my stuff. But, you know, Mr. Brooks decided
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that I didn't need to participate in my case. I
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didn't need my discovery. I didn't need any of these things.
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He didn't need to go over anything with me. He
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just had me sit in jail for two years almost,
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and not go over anything. When he came to see me,
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he would be like, I know you're innocent. I'm working
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on getting you home. He would tell my family the
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same thing until the very last time he came to
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see me. And then he was real smug like, like
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he wasn't gonna help me, like you're lying, you're this. No,
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I'm not. I'm telling you everything and I really need
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my stuff.
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Well, I had a couple questions about him, but on
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that form where it talks about the detective that was fired.
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Yes, would you like a copy of these? Sure.
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Are they going to allow you to use that for
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a type of an appeal?
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See, so it says Exhibit D. They have to because
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it's already part of the original motion. So, but Escambia
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County doesn't like it whenever you talk about their officers
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or anything else. You know, they're big boys, they stay together.
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And with that, they didn't address this. They didn't feel
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like they needed to address it any further, but it
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does need to be addressed.
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So are you still in the appeals process?
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I am in the re-hearing process. So I went to
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court and I have transcripts from where I went to
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court on September 14th. 2022 I think I have I
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think that's the one that Rachel sent me okay so
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and this all should be public record I don't understand
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why they have my record sealed because the public should
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be able to see all this stuff is it because
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the an officer was involved was it because my blood
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work wasn't you know brought up or anything I'm really
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unsure because it should not be sealed they should The
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public should be able to see all this stuff. You
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can see all the bad stuff, but you can't see
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any of the good stuff. That's crazy to me.
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So let's talk a little bit about Mr. Brooks so
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that I'll move to a different topic. Thank you.
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Did you end up filing a complaint on him of any.
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Sort because of the lack of allowing participation and the
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lack of really including you in your own defense?
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I did with the Florida Bar. I did file something.
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But they were like, if you don't win your 3850 motion,
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then we're not going to do anything. So they basically
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did not look into it. They dismissed it. At this time,
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I'm not planning on filing anything against him. I'm not
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going to say that I'm not going to file anything
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against him. I'm just saying right now I'm more focused
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on my freedom and letting them see what should have
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been done and that I'm not guilty of this.
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Well, and part of the issue with him is that
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you were examined by this doctor. I don't remember if
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he was a psychiatrist or psychologist.
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Yes, I have that paperwork.
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And that was never introduced at your trial. What were
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the results from him? What did he have to say?
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So I have the report here. That was a ground
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that I had had as well. And that was, counsel
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was ineffective for failing to call expert Steven Zimmerman as
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a witness. And he had done this, he had done
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a report on me for all the trauma that I
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had from four on for the rapes, the molestation, the abuse.
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everything that I've had throughout my life and everything, and
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he puts in here that I have PTSD, that I
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have trauma issues, serious issues going on in my life,
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and that I'm a survivor, and that, if anything, that
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people should know that.
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Do you think that should have been introduced at your trial?
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Absolutely. Absolutely, I do. And he believed as well. He
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was very, I had seen him the day before, and
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he was like, He was putting the report together and
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he was giving it to Mr. Brooks and everything he said.
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But Mr. Brooks, his attitude had changed towards him and everything.
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And we spent a lot of time with this. I
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went through a lot of painful stuff with this man,
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you know, to where he could diagnose me. And this
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was Mr. Brooks's idea. And then you don't want to
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use this person. What changed?
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Do you think that would have had a impact on
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the jury in their decision making?
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Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. If they had known my childhood and
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they had known the trauma that I've already lived through,
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you know, that I've already had a child pass away,
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you know, that I was molested, that I was raped,
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that everything that I've been through in my lifetime as
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to why I made the decisions that I made during
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this trip, you know, that I was on, that I
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still this is a nightmare that is still going on
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even to this day. It has not stopped because I
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went from that to custody to here. It still continues
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every single day. Every day that I wake up in
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here is my reminder. of what this man did, and
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I'm sitting here on principle to his crimes. That's crazy
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to me. How can you take a victim, an innocent person,
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and put them in prison because he killed himself and
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you want someone to blame? That's crazy. How did they
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get away with that? I would like to know that.
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I really would.
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Well, and I know that the.
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I'll have you go through kind of your version of
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events here in a minute, but I want to ask
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just one specified question before we start, was when y'all
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were at Kayla Crocker's, which is the one main incident
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that put you here, right?
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Yes, ma'am.
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Did you have any idea going into that situation that
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he was going to kill her?
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No.
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No. I stayed so drugged up in and out of
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things and everything else. I had no idea. I had
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no idea about the Emerald Sands, what had happened there.
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I had no idea about that until way later on.
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And really, until I got to the Sheriff's Department with
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the detectives and everything else, did I find out about that,
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to be honest. I mean, towards midway through the thing,
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the radio had come on. He had turned it off.
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It had said something about Emerald Sands. He made a
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comment one time, and the family dollar... with one of
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the sales assistants, you know, that he killed his girlfriend
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or anything. So, but still, I still have no knowledge
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of anything that has happened, you know, because I was
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unaware of any of it happening. So with Kayla Crocker, no,
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I didn't. I didn't think he was going to.
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So when he had you tie her up, what were
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you thinking was going to happen in that situation?
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Okay, so with that, Whenever I came up on the porch,
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there was a piece of rope there and he did
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have me, he had a gun to us both. So
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it's not like I willingly did this or anything. I
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had a loaded gun on me.
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And whenever I tied it, I told her I was sorry.
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And I said, I'm tying this real loose. And I
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said it real quiet to her. And she was like, thanks.
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And the one that I tied was in a bow
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and it was really, really loose on her hands. And
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then he had me grab food and go to the car.
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He had reached down after I had done that. He
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had reached down and he had grabbed the rest of
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the string, yarn, rope, whatever. And that's what bound her,
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not what I put on her. She could still move.
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What the other part that they failed to mention is
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that there was more than just That one rope. And
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the one rope that was in a bow was very loose.
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Like as if you were tying your shoes. And the
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other one was very tight. I did not put that
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on her. He did. I was not in that house
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whenever he shot her. I did hear a gunshot go off.
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I was at the car. I was not there.
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What was your reaction when that happened? Shock.
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I went into shock. Because he had played Russian roulette
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with me many a times. He would Let the, like
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in the car, you will see in some of the
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pictures where there was ammunition on the floorboard and everything else.
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That's because he had these old style guns. He had
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three guns. He had two that were old style, six
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years that went round. And then he had one that locked. So,
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and that one stayed in the door mainly by him.
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He had one that he kept in his pants all
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the time. And then he had one that he would
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play Russian roulette with me with, and he would empty
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it out and he would put one bullet in it
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and he would spin it and he would close it.
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And then he'd put it to my head. So, and
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then he would pull the trigger and only by the
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grace of God, only by the grace of God, am
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I sitting here today, period.
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What has it been like for you in these years
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since trying to process the All of that. I can
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imagine it is a lengthy process.
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It is. I still have nightmares. I have a lot
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of trauma issues. Certain things that I used to like,
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I don't like anymore. Certain smells bother me. I get
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real jumpy. But as a person, I just try to
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move forward and try to be kind to people and
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be nice to people and not let it destroy who
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I was and who I want to be.
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Tell me who that is. Tell me who you want
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to be.
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So I work in the law library. And I see
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since I've been in here, I've seen all the injustice
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that is done. You know, there are a lot of
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people in here that do belong in here. But there
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are some people that don't belong in here that are
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here because their boyfriend did something or because they were
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in the wrong place at the wrong time. But they
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didn't do the crime. But they're here. And I would
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like to help them people, you know, along with myself.
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I would like to help. this world is just so
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corrupt nowadays. Everything is about money. The higher the conviction,
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the more money in their pocket. And that's wrong. That's
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not what God put in place in the very beginning
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whenever he had them come up with the justice system.
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If you were ever to be paroled earlier, have your
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conviction set aside, what are some of the things that
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you may like to do after experiencing this whole thing
486
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and considering what you're doing while you're here?
487
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I would like to help people. I would like to
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link up with some of these organizations that look into
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people's stuff and everything and help them, the ones that
490
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are wrongfully convicted. I would like to help them get out.
491
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And I know a lot of them don't have money
492
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or anything. And I would like to help, you know,
493
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raise money and be able to fund things to where
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I could help get them out.
495
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Like the Innocence Project?
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Kind of like the Innocence Project in wrongfully convictions and
497
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exoneration projects. And then they have, let's see, they have
498
00:26:19.269 --> 00:26:22.559
Florida Cares that helps as well and everything. So in
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society first, and they're trying to help people to where
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they're not spending their whole entire life in here and
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dying in here.
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Has your case garnered any attention from those organizations?
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No.
504
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Okay.
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I haven't reached out to him or anything either. I've
506
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put it in God's hands.
507
00:26:45.970 --> 00:26:49.049
Yeah. And this kind of goes back to one of
508
00:26:49.089 --> 00:26:53.130
the things that we just talked about. You know, victims
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00:26:53.170 --> 00:26:55.970
believe that you were an accomplice in this situation. Is
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there anything that you've done while you've been in here
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to make amends or try to share your experience of
512
00:27:04.259 --> 00:27:06.460
why you say you were not an accomplice?
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00:27:08.509 --> 00:27:13.569
Um. Like, give me an idea on what you mean
514
00:27:13.609 --> 00:27:14.390
by that question.
515
00:27:14.710 --> 00:27:17.430
So that question comes from one of my managers. So
516
00:27:17.809 --> 00:27:19.170
I'll try to explain it the best I can because
517
00:27:19.190 --> 00:27:21.630
I wasn't the one that wrote it. Is there any
518
00:27:21.670 --> 00:27:24.579
sort of amends? You know, like AA, when people go
519
00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:27.619
through AA, they have amends that they go through. Are
520
00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:29.700
there anything that you have done while you're here to
521
00:27:29.740 --> 00:27:31.240
make amends to victims?
522
00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:37.240
So I've definitely taken counseling courses. I take counseling all
523
00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:40.299
the time. At least every 90 days, I'm down there
524
00:27:40.619 --> 00:27:43.200
in counseling. I was on psych meds at one point
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00:27:43.240 --> 00:27:45.740
in time until I could get a hold of my
526
00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:51.809
emotions because I would have panic attacks, depression. It was bad.
527
00:27:52.180 --> 00:27:54.670
My night terrors got the best of me at times.
528
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And I live in a dorm with 86 women. So
529
00:27:58.549 --> 00:28:00.049
if you scream in the middle of the night, you're
530
00:28:00.069 --> 00:28:03.890
waking up 86 women. You kind of want to be
531
00:28:03.930 --> 00:28:05.730
friends with them, not be their enemies.
532
00:28:06.380 --> 00:28:11.079
So what do you want the families of Billy Boyette's
533
00:28:11.099 --> 00:28:15.259
victims to know? What would you say to them if
534
00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:16.700
you had a chance to speak with them?
535
00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:19.970
I would like them to know that I'm sorry. I'm
536
00:28:20.829 --> 00:28:23.690
sorry I couldn't save them. I tried to save as
537
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many people as I could on this eight-day nightmare that
538
00:28:27.329 --> 00:28:30.630
I was on. If I could have done more, I
539
00:28:30.670 --> 00:28:34.329
would have. But I was a victim myself. I was
540
00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:40.420
in and out. drugged, not in the right mindset. I
541
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:42.420
did what I had to do. Like when I went
542
00:28:42.460 --> 00:28:44.759
into stores, I knew he would come in there shooting
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00:28:44.779 --> 00:28:46.819
people up. He was in there with me. If I
544
00:28:46.859 --> 00:28:48.940
did the wrong move, if I did the wrong thing,
545
00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:51.680
I just did what I had to do. And I'm
546
00:28:51.740 --> 00:28:55.940
so sorry that they are having to be without them
547
00:28:56.460 --> 00:28:58.680
because I know how it is to be without someone.
548
00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:02.029
Now walk me through, we've gotten through a lot of
549
00:29:02.069 --> 00:29:05.150
these questions and we've touched a little bit on various
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00:29:05.210 --> 00:29:09.990
parts of that eight, nine days. Tell me, we don't
551
00:29:10.009 --> 00:29:11.930
have to go like full in depth, but kind of
552
00:29:11.970 --> 00:29:16.509
give me a walk through of that timeline and what
553
00:29:16.589 --> 00:29:22.210
you experienced from when he came to take you through
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00:29:22.230 --> 00:29:23.569
the Troop County incident.
555
00:29:24.569 --> 00:29:28.069
So I had, this could take hours.
556
00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:30.839
That's what I said. Let's try to keep it as
557
00:29:32.150 --> 00:29:40.019
as short, not as short, but like a, a summarized version.
558
00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:42.779
Cause I do have your, your appellate testimony. So I
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00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:44.309
have that to refer back to.
560
00:29:44.329 --> 00:29:44.410
Okay.
561
00:29:45.029 --> 00:29:47.630
Um, but walk, just walk me through kind of, uh, uh,
562
00:29:49.220 --> 00:29:52.289
overview of of that timeline.
563
00:29:52.269 --> 00:29:55.670
Okay so i had i had people the night that
564
00:29:55.730 --> 00:29:58.859
he came and he took me i had a young
565
00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:01.559
man jamie ham that was staying in the back bedroom
566
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:05.019
and he was a teenager his mom had passed away
567
00:30:05.099 --> 00:30:07.569
and his mom um was a friend of mine robin
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00:30:08.130 --> 00:30:11.490
And when she got out of prison, she was one
569
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of the people that I had helped get clothes and
570
00:30:13.589 --> 00:30:15.710
stuff like that and everything and get back on her feet.
571
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:19.519
And she had asked me whenever I was staying, I
572
00:30:19.539 --> 00:30:22.339
was over there. She was at Dennis Elliott's house. She
573
00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:24.960
had asked me if anything ever happens to me, could
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00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:27.960
you make sure that Jamie's okay, you're a good mother,
575
00:30:28.099 --> 00:30:31.069
and I trust him with you. So I would help him.
576
00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:34.700
I would help him in whatever situation. He was on probation.
577
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He needed a place to go. He couldn't stay with
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00:30:36.980 --> 00:30:38.980
his family that he was with. He didn't feel like
579
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:41.440
that was the right environment. It wasn't that he couldn't
580
00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:44.140
stay there. It's that he chose that he needed a
581
00:30:44.180 --> 00:30:47.220
better environment in order for them to come and see
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00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:49.980
him on probation. So he was staying there with me.
583
00:30:50.069 --> 00:30:51.190
So I had someone's.
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Life from get-go in my hands. that this man comes
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00:30:55.220 --> 00:30:57.140
in with a loaded gun, put it in my face,
586
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acting all crazy, I'm worried that Jamie could wake up
587
00:31:00.660 --> 00:31:03.880
and he could shoot him. And then I have a friend, Mike,
588
00:31:04.500 --> 00:31:07.809
who is a lifelong friend, and he had come by
589
00:31:08.009 --> 00:31:09.730
and he wanted me to leave with him because he
590
00:31:09.750 --> 00:31:11.589
seen that I was acting kind of funny, but that
591
00:31:11.630 --> 00:31:14.970
was because Billy Boyette was behind the door right there
592
00:31:15.029 --> 00:31:17.470
where I was at with a gun on us. And
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I didn't want him to kill us. If I would
594
00:31:19.009 --> 00:31:21.109
have walked onto that porch, we would have been shot
595
00:31:21.150 --> 00:31:24.210
dead right then and there. This man's crazy out of
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00:31:24.250 --> 00:31:28.619
his mind. Absolutely, I believe that we would have been shot.
597
00:31:28.759 --> 00:31:32.740
So from the very beginning, I'm protecting people. I'm, okay,
598
00:31:32.779 --> 00:31:34.099
I need to get out of the trailer. I need
599
00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:36.279
to get away from this. I need to get these people,
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00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:40.230
make sure that they're safe because their lives are important
601
00:31:40.269 --> 00:31:45.549
to me. And I'm used to being a mom. It
602
00:31:45.890 --> 00:31:49.190
goes back to being a mom card and protecting your babies,
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00:31:49.549 --> 00:31:53.920
protecting the people that you love. And even strangers. I
604
00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:56.750
wouldn't want anything to happen to you. You know, if
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00:31:57.089 --> 00:32:00.170
something crazy popped off. I wouldn't think to run to
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00:32:00.210 --> 00:32:02.589
the authorities right away. I would think to get you
607
00:32:02.650 --> 00:32:06.470
to safety. Whether I got shot in the back or not.
608
00:32:07.089 --> 00:32:10.430
That's my first thing. Is I would want to make
609
00:32:10.490 --> 00:32:12.880
sure that everybody was out of the situation. And then
610
00:32:12.940 --> 00:32:18.099
whatever happened, happened. So from there, we end up going back.
611
00:32:18.849 --> 00:32:22.369
down south and then back up. In the time that
612
00:32:22.390 --> 00:32:27.769
he has me, he beats me, he rapes me, he
613
00:32:27.809 --> 00:32:33.730
sadicized me, and he hits me with a pistol. You
614
00:32:33.779 --> 00:32:36.799
see how my face is right here? You see this here?
615
00:32:37.380 --> 00:32:39.480
You see how my face kind of gets sunk in?
616
00:32:40.299 --> 00:32:42.960
Do you see that? A little bit, yeah. Okay, that's
617
00:32:43.019 --> 00:32:47.460
from where my face is chipped. That's from the end
618
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:51.210
of a gun. He puts it to my temple and
619
00:32:51.269 --> 00:32:54.130
he goes to fire it and it jams. And whenever
620
00:32:54.170 --> 00:32:57.190
it does, he turns around and he goes like this
621
00:32:57.269 --> 00:33:00.430
and he just hits me with it. My whole eye
622
00:33:00.490 --> 00:33:03.890
was black all throughout here. And that was in the
623
00:33:03.930 --> 00:33:06.970
beginning part. My eye was still black at the end
624
00:33:07.009 --> 00:33:10.470
of this. So that lets you know just how messed
625
00:33:10.549 --> 00:33:14.710
up it was during this timeframe because this was almost
626
00:33:14.789 --> 00:33:19.349
eight days later and it's still messed up. My bone
627
00:33:19.410 --> 00:33:23.690
literally is chipped there. So he cuts me with the
628
00:33:23.730 --> 00:33:28.589
knife right here. You see this scar here? From right here,
629
00:33:28.609 --> 00:33:32.539
you see it? From where I put my hands up,
630
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:35.140
from where he was hitting me and beating on me.
631
00:33:35.539 --> 00:33:38.420
And he pulls a knife out and he just cuts.
632
00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:40.680
It starts here and it goes all the way up
633
00:33:41.119 --> 00:33:44.720
to here. One time my hand was locking up on me.
634
00:33:44.779 --> 00:33:46.240
He was having me roll his spices.
635
00:33:47.230 --> 00:33:49.410
And it locks up on me because I'm so dehydrated.
636
00:33:49.470 --> 00:33:52.569
I haven't ate. I haven't had water or anything else.
637
00:33:52.630 --> 00:33:55.230
I'm just and it's locking up and I can barely
638
00:33:55.289 --> 00:33:58.529
get my hand. He cuts it. He tries to take
639
00:33:58.549 --> 00:34:01.869
my fingerprints off. I hardly have any fingerprints. You can
640
00:34:02.190 --> 00:34:05.890
hardly see any of them. You know, this is eight
641
00:34:05.930 --> 00:34:08.639
years later. You know, I've healed, but I still have
642
00:34:08.659 --> 00:34:11.739
the scars to all this. You know, I have cigarette
643
00:34:11.780 --> 00:34:15.219
burns here and on my feet all over. They look
644
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:18.989
like that. all up and down my legs, cigarette burns.
645
00:34:20.170 --> 00:34:22.630
And then I have right here, I have a mark
646
00:34:23.110 --> 00:34:26.070
from his tooth where his tooth went in me here
647
00:34:26.659 --> 00:34:30.920
through here. See that? That's two teeth marks where he dug,
648
00:34:31.300 --> 00:34:33.960
he bit me and he would bite at my face.
649
00:34:35.260 --> 00:34:38.659
He drug me by my hair. He strangled me over
650
00:34:38.739 --> 00:34:41.739
and over and over again at a motel until I
651
00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:46.400
peed on myself and I was unconscious. So I almost died. My,
652
00:34:47.539 --> 00:34:50.159
you know, right before you die, you pee on yourself and,
653
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:55.099
you know, your bowels and everything let loose. Like I said,
654
00:34:55.179 --> 00:34:57.590
only by the grace of God am I still alive.
655
00:34:59.300 --> 00:35:03.809
So I went through a lot and I just, I
656
00:35:03.829 --> 00:35:06.210
just tried to protect every, every time that I went
657
00:35:06.269 --> 00:35:08.989
in someplace, I just tried to protect the people around
658
00:35:09.050 --> 00:35:13.730
me because he's got three guns. Okay. If they hold
659
00:35:13.889 --> 00:35:17.210
six rounds, each gun, How many people can you take
660
00:35:17.269 --> 00:35:19.789
out in a second? Especially when you're in a Walmart
661
00:35:20.329 --> 00:35:25.780
or a CVS or something, you know, and you unload
662
00:35:25.820 --> 00:35:26.519
all them clips.
663
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:31.059
That's a lot of people. Walk me through the back half.
664
00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:32.880
You get through these first couple of days where you're
665
00:35:32.900 --> 00:35:36.309
traveling through the different parts of Florida, going into the stores.
666
00:35:37.389 --> 00:35:40.650
Start with me the day that everything happened with Kayla
667
00:35:40.670 --> 00:35:43.289
Crocker and walk me through the end. Okay, so.
668
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:51.119
With Kayla Crocker, he needed another ride. He had us
669
00:35:51.639 --> 00:35:57.010
stay in this abandoned place off of Nine Mile or
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00:35:57.070 --> 00:35:59.750
Pine Forest or somewhere down in that area. I knew
671
00:35:59.769 --> 00:36:02.230
the area kind of because I'd sold shrimp with my
672
00:36:02.269 --> 00:36:04.230
ex-mother-in-law for years and years, and we would go to
673
00:36:04.269 --> 00:36:06.650
Bala Batry, and we would pick up shrimp, and we
674
00:36:06.670 --> 00:36:08.510
would come back, and that was like the first and
675
00:36:08.550 --> 00:36:12.389
last chance exit. You know, they say that coming into
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00:36:12.570 --> 00:36:15.739
a going into Pace right there into Pensacola's first and
677
00:36:15.780 --> 00:36:18.139
last chance bar for you to get liquor. But this
678
00:36:18.179 --> 00:36:20.400
was the first and last place chance for you to
679
00:36:20.500 --> 00:36:25.679
use the bathroom before you go through the tunnel. So
680
00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:29.000
I kind of knew the area or what, not to
681
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:33.300
the extent that I learned it walking. But he had
682
00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:37.139
kept me in this abandoned house. I was spitting up
683
00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:39.510
blood and everything. It was really cold. It was in January, February,
684
00:36:39.530 --> 00:36:46.860
it's kind of cold up there in Pensacola area. So
685
00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:49.639
I was spitting up blood. I was having pains. My
686
00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:51.780
whole chest from where he had beat on me and
687
00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:55.789
everything else was just black. It was just pure black. Ribs,
688
00:36:56.110 --> 00:36:58.449
I had issues with ribs. I still have pain and
689
00:36:58.489 --> 00:37:02.489
problems with my ribs and everything because he broke my rib.
690
00:37:03.389 --> 00:37:05.989
And I was throwing up blood the whole nine yards,
691
00:37:06.530 --> 00:37:09.630
found this abandoned place, and he took me in there.
692
00:37:10.059 --> 00:37:12.159
He kept me down there for days, abusing me.
693
00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:14.579
That's where he cut my hand at and everything and
694
00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:20.349
tried to take my fingerprints off. And whenever, after, I
695
00:37:20.349 --> 00:37:22.650
don't know, I don't even know how many days we
696
00:37:22.670 --> 00:37:26.489
were down in there. It was, it had electricity. It
697
00:37:26.510 --> 00:37:29.840
was warm and it had a basement and there was
698
00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:32.199
a room on the left side and on the right side.
699
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:34.780
And it kind of looked like a doctor or something
700
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:37.079
stayed there and he had kept me in the room
701
00:37:37.699 --> 00:37:41.260
down below abusing me and then whenever a couple days
702
00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:44.059
had passed or whatever he had brought me out and
703
00:37:44.099 --> 00:37:47.929
we walked down and through a little trail and there
704
00:37:47.969 --> 00:37:51.150
was like an RV campground that had ponds and everything
705
00:37:51.230 --> 00:37:53.829
with it and I remember that we were in like
706
00:37:53.849 --> 00:37:56.289
a hunting box or something that was on the ground
707
00:37:56.969 --> 00:38:00.969
and I was so tired I was just he had
708
00:38:01.010 --> 00:38:03.880
just beat everything out of me You know, whenever they
709
00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:05.860
say that they beat you down and then build you up,
710
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:08.670
I definitely was beat down. There was no building up.
711
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:13.780
So he had heard somebody, so he punches me and
712
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:15.929
he's like, come on, come on, we gotta go. So
713
00:38:15.949 --> 00:38:19.750
we end up through the trail. And then he waits
714
00:38:19.829 --> 00:38:23.030
there until dark and he puts leaves all over me
715
00:38:23.090 --> 00:38:26.789
and everything. And he's like, don't say anything, don't say anything.
716
00:38:27.530 --> 00:38:30.559
And I hear cars and I'm like, well, we must
717
00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:35.949
be by a highway or something. And so it starts
718
00:38:36.010 --> 00:38:39.989
getting dark. So we leave from there. And it was,
719
00:38:40.010 --> 00:38:42.239
it was a highway. And there was a school on
720
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:45.260
the other side. And it was fenced in. Well, we
721
00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:47.800
cross the street and we're walking by. We're right out
722
00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:50.219
in the open. We're walking down the side of the
723
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:54.539
road by this school and everything. And we walk on down.
724
00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:57.780
There's houses there and everything. And then there's like a
725
00:38:57.820 --> 00:39:01.170
break and there's like a subdivision back in there. But
726
00:39:01.190 --> 00:39:03.989
it wasn't built up yet or anything. There was still
727
00:39:04.030 --> 00:39:06.769
some wooded areas, but it was already, you know, when
728
00:39:06.829 --> 00:39:09.070
they first do their first step before they take all
729
00:39:09.090 --> 00:39:12.230
the trees and everything, they do the roads that go
730
00:39:12.269 --> 00:39:15.030
down and have cul-de-sacs and everything. So we end up
731
00:39:15.550 --> 00:39:19.809
going and we're on the, Kayla Crocker's trailer is on
732
00:39:19.829 --> 00:39:21.809
the left. We're on the right side of the road.
733
00:39:22.590 --> 00:39:25.710
And we're back in this subdivision and we're walking. And
734
00:39:25.769 --> 00:39:29.849
then we come down, it's like a little cul-de-sac and
735
00:39:29.889 --> 00:39:34.340
then a little dirt area and he sees her trailer
736
00:39:34.380 --> 00:39:37.039
through the little dirt area so and there's a wooded
737
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:39.559
area right there to the left so he has a
738
00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:44.360
stop there and I'm not sure if he actually planned
739
00:39:44.659 --> 00:39:47.679
on going there or if he knew her or what
740
00:39:47.780 --> 00:39:50.690
because The next morning, whenever he kicks me awake, we
741
00:39:50.730 --> 00:39:54.260
end up walking across the street. It was really early morning,
742
00:39:54.340 --> 00:39:58.159
like 4, 35 o'clock in the morning. And I don't
743
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:00.139
know because I don't have a watch on me, so
744
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:03.559
I can't be exact or anything. But I do remember
745
00:40:03.619 --> 00:40:05.820
that the sun was starting to come up. We walked
746
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:09.010
in front of the trailer, and then he heard something.
747
00:40:09.070 --> 00:40:11.929
So he scoots me, grabs me, and snatches me to
748
00:40:11.949 --> 00:40:15.510
the back part of the trailer. And then we walk around,
749
00:40:16.150 --> 00:40:18.460
and he hears the car start up. and the door
750
00:40:18.539 --> 00:40:25.139
was left open. So whenever that happened, then he looks
751
00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:29.769
to see if anyone's there, snatches me, and brings me there,
752
00:40:30.010 --> 00:40:32.269
opens the back door, tells me to put our stuff
753
00:40:32.329 --> 00:40:34.309
in there, and then he shoves me in there. But
754
00:40:34.369 --> 00:40:37.789
he's turning, he's at the driver's door, and he's turning
755
00:40:37.809 --> 00:40:39.739
the car off and taking the keys and putting them
756
00:40:39.780 --> 00:40:43.500
in his pocket. So, and then that happens with Kayla
757
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:46.630
Crocker then. I'm putting the stuff in the car. He
758
00:40:46.670 --> 00:40:49.469
comes out. He closes the door. And then we leave
759
00:40:49.510 --> 00:40:53.949
from there. We go to a gas station. I just
760
00:40:53.969 --> 00:40:58.829
heard gunshots and everything. I can just imagine what took place,
761
00:40:59.070 --> 00:41:02.769
even though I don't know. So I'm worried about these people.
762
00:41:03.650 --> 00:41:06.860
I don't want nobody to die. Not if I can
763
00:41:06.889 --> 00:41:09.019
help it. If I can help you live, I'm going
764
00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:09.739
to help you live.
765
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:11.059
Did you ask him why?
766
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:16.730
I had already been abused. I'm already in... Going through
767
00:41:16.769 --> 00:41:17.150
all this.
768
00:41:17.369 --> 00:41:19.409
After that gunshot, did you ask him why he killed her?
769
00:41:19.429 --> 00:41:19.489
No.
770
00:41:19.889 --> 00:41:24.469
All right, sorry. Keep going. So from there, did you
771
00:41:24.510 --> 00:41:25.929
go to Alabama? Or from there, did you go to Georgia?
772
00:41:25.949 --> 00:41:27.989
There wasn't a lot of talking with him. And he
773
00:41:28.030 --> 00:41:30.420
kept me drugged up a lot. This is the FDLE
774
00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:33.820
report that they didn't want people to know. There are
775
00:41:33.940 --> 00:41:38.420
over one, two, three, four drugs in my system that
776
00:41:39.139 --> 00:41:41.719
proves that I was drugged up the whole time. When
777
00:41:41.880 --> 00:41:45.820
you're drugged up, You have, your body, like your mind
778
00:41:45.860 --> 00:41:49.329
goes in and out of things between reality and non-reality.
779
00:41:50.070 --> 00:41:52.309
Especially with the kind of drugs that I was on
780
00:41:52.369 --> 00:41:55.090
that he was giving me. Xanaxes, I would find out
781
00:41:55.150 --> 00:41:57.699
Dilata's he had me on because they were found in
782
00:41:57.780 --> 00:42:02.199
his bag and numerous things. So, and these were found
783
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:05.460
in my system. You can have this as well. Thank you. Yeah.
784
00:42:08.030 --> 00:42:10.110
So from there, and I know we don't want to
785
00:42:10.130 --> 00:42:11.920
talk about the Alabama case because it's still active. Yes,
786
00:42:12.110 --> 00:42:15.190
I can. But from Beulah, did you go to Alabama,
787
00:42:15.210 --> 00:42:17.070
then Georgia, or was it just from Beulah to Georgia?
788
00:42:18.429 --> 00:42:23.980
So I guess my question is, what happened after Kayla Crocker?
789
00:42:24.139 --> 00:42:27.500
Okay, so after Kayla Crocker, we ended up going to
790
00:42:27.980 --> 00:42:34.840
the store. It was the store, Hardee's. Then we hit
791
00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:39.219
the interstate. We ended up in Baghdad. Then on out
792
00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:42.539
to Munson and on out to the four way. Then
793
00:42:42.579 --> 00:42:46.050
we took a right on out to Baker. Then we
794
00:42:46.090 --> 00:42:49.630
took a left. And then from there, I went out
795
00:42:49.849 --> 00:42:53.840
to we went and we stopped at a dollar general
796
00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:57.329
and I was able to get some shoes. I had
797
00:42:57.389 --> 00:43:02.719
been in heel boots this whole time. So I was
798
00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:07.980
not a willing participant at all. I was in heel boots,
799
00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:12.760
the heels this long. They had a, I don't remember
800
00:43:12.780 --> 00:43:16.219
if they were gray or white, but they were, you know,
801
00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:18.570
nice boots that came up to here. Not something that
802
00:43:18.590 --> 00:43:20.989
you're going to go trampling through the woods, doing a
803
00:43:21.030 --> 00:43:23.429
whole crime spree with or anything else.
804
00:43:23.989 --> 00:43:24.849
That was not.
805
00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:30.219
You know, so that's what I had on. But he
806
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:33.590
finally told me that I could get some shoes because
807
00:43:33.630 --> 00:43:37.610
I was slowing him down. And he wanted some food.
808
00:43:38.130 --> 00:43:40.210
So he had me go in and buy some food
809
00:43:40.449 --> 00:43:44.909
and a pair of shoes, cheap shoes. Then from there,
810
00:43:46.250 --> 00:43:50.570
he had drugged me after that. And when I woke up,
811
00:43:51.619 --> 00:43:56.750
we were, he was at this, Motel, old hotel motel,
812
00:43:57.389 --> 00:43:59.369
you know, in the middle of nowhere.
813
00:44:00.349 --> 00:44:04.489
Walk me through that day and how things ended. Because
814
00:44:05.170 --> 00:44:08.070
that part slips my mind a little bit, whether you
815
00:44:08.110 --> 00:44:11.380
went out first or you went out after he fired.
816
00:44:11.389 --> 00:44:13.159
Walk me through that.
817
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:18.280
I went out first. So what had happened was, so
818
00:44:18.519 --> 00:44:25.500
mind you, I wasn't willing to... let anyone bring attention
819
00:44:26.019 --> 00:44:28.800
to us or anything. But if the cops showed up
820
00:44:28.909 --> 00:44:32.570
on the scene, then he knows that I haven't called them,
821
00:44:33.710 --> 00:44:36.510
that they've caught up with you, that your time is up,
822
00:44:37.130 --> 00:44:40.340
you know? So, and it's gonna be hard for him
823
00:44:40.449 --> 00:44:43.679
to make a phone call whenever they're right there, you know?
824
00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:49.340
So that day, he had got me up and, He
825
00:44:49.380 --> 00:44:51.820
was like, he wanted us to go to the little
826
00:44:51.900 --> 00:44:55.909
store that we had passed down the road. And he
827
00:44:56.300 --> 00:44:58.789
had me drive. This was the only time that I drove.
828
00:44:58.849 --> 00:45:01.590
He said he was gonna trust me. And he had
829
00:45:01.610 --> 00:45:04.269
me drive. And he was in the seat beside me
830
00:45:04.309 --> 00:45:06.510
and he had it laid all the way back. And
831
00:45:06.769 --> 00:45:08.489
he was like, all right, I'm gonna trust you to
832
00:45:08.530 --> 00:45:10.690
go in here. I'm gonna trust you to get something
833
00:45:10.730 --> 00:45:13.409
to eat. He said, but I'm gonna be watching you.
834
00:45:13.829 --> 00:45:15.889
And he said, look, I'm not playing with you. I'm
835
00:45:15.909 --> 00:45:18.960
not playing with anyone. He said, it's an old country store.
836
00:45:19.699 --> 00:45:21.239
I know there's not a lot of people in there.
837
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:24.019
I will shoot everybody. I will kill you. And I
838
00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:26.699
will make sure that your family dies. If it's the
839
00:45:26.820 --> 00:45:31.119
last thing that I do in this world. And he,
840
00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:34.480
whenever I go to turn into the store, he jumps
841
00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:37.820
out of the car and he goes like into the
842
00:45:37.860 --> 00:45:41.920
little wooded area right there. So I pull in, I
843
00:45:41.940 --> 00:45:44.739
pull in by a gas pump. I go in, I
844
00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:48.480
get something. I think it was like hot dogs and
845
00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:52.469
something And then I go pay for it. I get
846
00:45:52.510 --> 00:45:55.760
the gas, I get in the car. And then when
847
00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:58.300
I come out, I go around the store and there's
848
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:01.820
a four-way. He's already made it from here all the
849
00:46:01.860 --> 00:46:04.340
way to the woods over here. And he comes running
850
00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:06.579
out and he gets in the car and the seat's
851
00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:10.699
laid back and he's acting crazy, you know, but he
852
00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:13.500
acted crazy a lot. All the demons in his head
853
00:46:13.539 --> 00:46:16.480
and everything that's going on. I don't think he ever slept.
854
00:46:16.739 --> 00:46:19.469
He was always on spice. You know, and spice does
855
00:46:19.510 --> 00:46:21.590
something to your head. You know, you've heard of people
856
00:46:21.769 --> 00:46:25.550
eating people's faces off on spice. So there's no telling,
857
00:46:25.750 --> 00:46:28.469
you know, what kind of stuff he's going through in
858
00:46:28.510 --> 00:46:31.820
his own mind, let alone what kind of wrath he's
859
00:46:31.860 --> 00:46:34.480
fixing to put on me or even these innocent people.
860
00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:38.199
So I have to take that into consideration. So we
861
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:40.280
leave from there. We end up back at the motel.
862
00:46:40.460 --> 00:46:40.900
I get out.
863
00:46:41.139 --> 00:46:41.619
I go in.
864
00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:45.409
I put the stuff away. in the room he comes
865
00:46:45.510 --> 00:46:47.610
out shortly behind me he sits in the car for
866
00:46:47.650 --> 00:46:51.050
a minute and then comes in and then he makes
867
00:46:51.349 --> 00:46:56.130
a concoction has me drink it or what then I'm
868
00:46:56.190 --> 00:46:59.690
sitting there it takes a little while you know take
869
00:46:59.750 --> 00:47:05.130
effect so but I'm groggy already from previous stuff that
870
00:47:05.170 --> 00:47:09.889
he's given me and I pass out And then he
871
00:47:09.949 --> 00:47:12.369
wakes me up and he's freaking out. And he's like,
872
00:47:12.570 --> 00:47:13.849
oh my God, the cops are here.
873
00:47:14.090 --> 00:47:15.369
The cops are here. They're everywhere.
874
00:47:15.550 --> 00:47:20.230
He's like, look out the window. And I'm like, okay.
875
00:47:20.789 --> 00:47:25.050
So I get there and I slowly put my hand
876
00:47:25.090 --> 00:47:28.889
there and slide the curtain over. And I'm like, yeah,
877
00:47:28.909 --> 00:47:31.880
cops are here. There's a whole lot of them. And
878
00:47:31.900 --> 00:47:34.460
then I close it. I didn't wave. I didn't do
879
00:47:34.500 --> 00:47:37.099
all this crazy stuff that they said. No, I opened
880
00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:40.940
the curtain slowly. And then I closed it and then
881
00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:46.340
I fell down beside the bed. And so he's freaking out.
882
00:47:46.619 --> 00:47:49.860
They end up calling his name and he takes the
883
00:47:49.940 --> 00:47:53.340
mattress and he lifts it up over me. And like
884
00:47:53.659 --> 00:47:55.900
when he first walked in, there was like a little
885
00:47:55.960 --> 00:47:59.559
closet that poked out and then the bathroom was back here.
886
00:48:00.179 --> 00:48:02.920
But there was like a little wall area right there.
887
00:48:03.340 --> 00:48:05.739
And then the bed was here. So he lifts it
888
00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:08.840
over and he puts the mattress standing up against the wall.
889
00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:13.949
And I'm on the other side and I'm like, now's
890
00:48:13.969 --> 00:48:16.349
my chance because I can run out and I can
891
00:48:16.389 --> 00:48:19.489
tell them, you know, to contact my family, my kids,
892
00:48:19.550 --> 00:48:22.219
the whole nine yards. You know, I have a I
893
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:28.170
have a chance now and like a real chance because there's. Thousands,
894
00:48:28.750 --> 00:48:32.869
you know, so before he's thinking of his life right now,
895
00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:36.039
he's not thinking of that phone call because there's over
896
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:39.159
a thousand officers out there. And that's what goes through
897
00:48:39.179 --> 00:48:43.079
my head. Now is my chance. I didn't have a
898
00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:46.300
chance before, but now I do. So I make it
899
00:48:46.340 --> 00:48:50.579
out the door. And whenever I do, I start immediately
900
00:48:50.639 --> 00:48:53.730
telling them. about my kids, the whole nine yards. I mean,
901
00:48:53.829 --> 00:48:56.650
I'm letting them know, you know, he's threatened my kids.
902
00:48:56.710 --> 00:48:59.909
Someone's watching my kids. That was the first things out
903
00:48:59.949 --> 00:49:03.369
of my mouth was my children. And he has someone
904
00:49:03.389 --> 00:49:07.670
watching my children, you know? And then I never heard
905
00:49:07.730 --> 00:49:13.050
the shot. They took me to a detective like van
906
00:49:13.210 --> 00:49:15.929
thing or whatever else. And they wanted me to tell
907
00:49:15.969 --> 00:49:18.050
them what all had been going on. I told them
908
00:49:18.130 --> 00:49:22.079
about the rapes and everything. about being drugged. I was
909
00:49:22.179 --> 00:49:25.699
showing them the bruises and the cuts, the burns. They
910
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:30.389
took me immediately to the hospital, immediately. So when I
911
00:49:30.429 --> 00:49:37.460
got there, it was Kelly Ellington, or lieutenant or whatever
912
00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:40.780
she was, Ellington was there. She took pictures of everything.
913
00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:45.449
She came in and told me that he had killed himself.
914
00:49:45.849 --> 00:49:48.590
I wasn't even there for him for any of that.
915
00:49:49.050 --> 00:49:50.429
I never even heard a gunshot.
916
00:49:50.610 --> 00:49:52.530
What was your thought when you found that out?
917
00:49:54.090 --> 00:49:57.039
Thank God. Thank God.
918
00:50:01.670 --> 00:50:04.889
When you sit here and think about it all and
919
00:50:04.909 --> 00:50:10.199
you think about what was presented to his victims' families,
920
00:50:11.460 --> 00:50:14.400
how would you tell them or try to convince them
921
00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:18.489
that you were not a willing participant in helping him?
922
00:50:18.510 --> 00:50:23.849
I wish I had the chance to testify and to
923
00:50:23.909 --> 00:50:26.969
defend myself and to tell the truth and tell the story.
924
00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:34.800
Because at one point, whenever the investigators had investigated, had
925
00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:40.360
me in the room talking and everything else, they were like, oh,
926
00:50:40.389 --> 00:50:43.929
you're lying about this. And I've seen that for the
927
00:50:43.969 --> 00:50:47.010
first time when I was at trial with the video.
928
00:50:47.329 --> 00:50:50.050
I'd never seen it before. I'd never seen how messed
929
00:50:50.090 --> 00:50:53.269
up I was. I knew that I was in and
930
00:50:53.469 --> 00:50:58.230
out of reality and consciousness and talking to these people.
931
00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:00.860
One minute I was there with you, the next minute
932
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:03.480
I was in La La Land somewhere. You can literally
933
00:51:03.860 --> 00:51:08.420
see that on this video, how drugged I was, even
934
00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:13.420
at that point, hours later, after I got from the
935
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:16.920
hospital to the sheriff's department, you know, they took me
936
00:51:17.019 --> 00:51:20.079
directly in there. I still hadn't eaten. I had food
937
00:51:20.219 --> 00:51:23.849
sitting there beside me and they're questioning me, you know,
938
00:51:24.530 --> 00:51:28.489
and I'm just wanting to breathe for a second, you know,
939
00:51:29.250 --> 00:51:32.900
but they're grilling me and I'm in and out of
940
00:51:32.980 --> 00:51:38.280
reality and everything. So some things were not as it seemed.
941
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:42.360
So had they waited and asked me when I was
942
00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:45.969
completely sober, it would have been different. Had I been
943
00:51:46.030 --> 00:51:49.230
able to get on the stand and tell my testimony,
944
00:51:51.150 --> 00:51:53.050
they would have been able to hear the truth, you know?
945
00:51:53.429 --> 00:51:58.230
And had I been able to participate in any of
946
00:51:58.329 --> 00:52:02.500
my case, then I wouldn't have all these grounds, you know,
947
00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:08.500
where council was insignificant for failing to change venue. I'd
948
00:52:08.579 --> 00:52:13.320
asked him since my case was so highly publicized, no offense,
949
00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:16.960
because y'all put a lot of it out there. But
950
00:52:17.059 --> 00:52:20.059
I mean, this is, this is all, this is just
951
00:52:20.099 --> 00:52:23.039
what I got being in prison. Imagine what else was
952
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:27.000
out there on the news and everything else, pages and pages,
953
00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:31.170
you know, this is, So much media with everything that
954
00:52:31.250 --> 00:52:34.860
I asked. I asked them, can we please go somewhere
955
00:52:34.949 --> 00:52:37.380
else to where I could do the trial? No, no, no,
956
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:39.699
we have to do it here. We have to at
957
00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:41.920
least give it a chance to pick a jury here
958
00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:46.059
and everything else. We can't just up and move. I
959
00:52:46.099 --> 00:52:50.099
had at one point motion to restrict the media. You know,
960
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:53.320
no offense again, but it was such a big thing
961
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that I had this in place for a reason.
962
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So.
963
00:52:57.469 --> 00:53:00.869
Mr. Brooks decided he was gonna take this off. He'd
964
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never discussed it with me, never anything. He just decided
965
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for whatever reason, him working with the state, whatever it
966
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was that he got off of whatever, he took it off.
967
00:53:12.530 --> 00:53:14.449
But we went through all that to get it on
968
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just for you to say, oh, no, okay, we'll let
969
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them do whatever. And then like pages from the jury,
970
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I mean, I had 73, 73 or 74 jurors that
971
00:53:30.230 --> 00:53:33.250
we went through. I had never been in trouble before
972
00:53:33.610 --> 00:53:36.730
with the law. So I didn't know this whole process.
973
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I really didn't know the law or anything. My family
974
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trusted Mr. Brooks. I was raised with Mr. Brooks. We
975
00:53:44.429 --> 00:53:46.940
went to the same church together. I was brought up
976
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with his children, you know. So I trusted that he
977
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was going to do what he said he was going
978
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to do. 73 of these people. So 19 of them
979
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had not heard anything about it, except for very little.
980
00:54:03.150 --> 00:54:09.889
Only three were picked for my jury. Everybody else, highly publicized, knew.
981
00:54:10.150 --> 00:54:13.389
Either they lived by Kayla Crocker, they were part, I
982
00:54:13.429 --> 00:54:16.340
even had, a lot of them had family that was
983
00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:19.199
in the sheriff's department. One of them was a paralegal,
984
00:54:19.340 --> 00:54:23.519
worked in the building or close by. One of them
985
00:54:23.579 --> 00:54:25.949
was a nurse that actually seen me when I was
986
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in Santa Rosa County, you know, had interacted with me
987
00:54:29.329 --> 00:54:29.949
and everything.
988
00:54:30.090 --> 00:54:31.489
We have less than five minutes left, so I'm going
989
00:54:31.510 --> 00:54:32.690
to ask you a couple of quick questions, and I
990
00:54:32.730 --> 00:54:35.329
don't mean to interrupt, but I want to hear your
991
00:54:35.349 --> 00:54:39.409
thoughts on these. You know, from your perspective, this whole
992
00:54:39.469 --> 00:54:41.820
thing was about trying to make sure your kids weren't hurt.
993
00:54:42.519 --> 00:54:45.179
Have you been able to see your kids since all
994
00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:45.920
of this happened?
995
00:54:46.139 --> 00:54:48.880
I have, and I've been able to meet my grandchildren. Okay.
996
00:54:50.860 --> 00:54:53.760
What is that like and how do you have conversations
997
00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:56.460
with them after all of this has gone down?
998
00:54:56.920 --> 00:54:59.760
My kids know me and my kids know that I
999
00:54:59.800 --> 00:55:02.500
didn't do this because my kids do know me because
1000
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I was a mom. So they went through a lot.
1001
00:55:06.579 --> 00:55:10.420
They had to switch schools and stuff and everything. My
1002
00:55:10.420 --> 00:55:12.449
14 year old has passed away since I've been in here.
1003
00:55:12.550 --> 00:55:15.050
He got into a motorcycle accident. It was hard on
1004
00:55:15.070 --> 00:55:18.050
my daughter. My oldest son at first didn't know what
1005
00:55:18.070 --> 00:55:21.840
to think. But they know their mom, this is not
1006
00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:22.219
their mom.
1007
00:55:23.019 --> 00:55:25.280
Do you have a hope of reuniting with them someday?
1008
00:55:25.820 --> 00:55:26.019
Yes.
1009
00:55:26.429 --> 00:55:26.969
Outside of here?
1010
00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:30.010
Yes. Yes, I do. And I'm going to carry that
1011
00:55:30.269 --> 00:55:34.510
with me. God has made a promise to me that,
1012
00:55:35.309 --> 00:55:37.909
you know, he's going to bring things to light and
1013
00:55:37.949 --> 00:55:40.440
that he's going to allow me to go home. And
1014
00:55:40.460 --> 00:55:44.039
I hope that sooner than later. But I'm just waiting
1015
00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:47.719
on him. And until then, I'm going to continue to
1016
00:55:47.780 --> 00:55:50.960
tell my story. I'm going to continue to, you know,
1017
00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:54.260
fight for what is right. I mean, if I had
1018
00:55:54.300 --> 00:55:57.019
done something, then okay, I could sit here and deal
1019
00:55:57.039 --> 00:56:00.519
with this, you know. But I didn't. And the person
1020
00:56:00.539 --> 00:56:04.460
who did killed himself. And I shouldn't be here paying
1021
00:56:04.500 --> 00:56:05.199
for his crimes.
1022
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And I'm going to circle back to the very beginning
1023
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with this. I asked you who you were before all
1024
00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:13.699
of this started. And a lot of people see him
1025
00:56:14.059 --> 00:56:14.739
as a monster.
1026
00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:15.300
He was.
1027
00:56:15.900 --> 00:56:18.059
And they associate you with that because of everything that
1028
00:56:18.099 --> 00:56:20.679
went down. What do you want the people to know
1029
00:56:20.760 --> 00:56:21.980
about who you are?
1030
00:56:23.699 --> 00:56:27.539
So I was a kind person. I was a mom.
1031
00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:33.099
I'm still kind. I'm still pushing forward. I'm a survivor.
1032
00:56:33.119 --> 00:56:39.360
I care about people's well-being. I know the people that
1033
00:56:39.460 --> 00:56:42.989
know me. know who I am and what I'm about.
1034
00:56:44.789 --> 00:56:47.710
People that don't know me, if you were able to
1035
00:56:47.769 --> 00:56:49.369
sit down and talk to me even for a minute,
1036
00:56:49.389 --> 00:56:52.369
you would see that I'm not this person that the
1037
00:56:52.409 --> 00:56:54.190
media and everybody portrayed me to be.
1038
00:56:55.820 --> 00:56:57.780
Do you have another hearing coming up? I know that
1039
00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:01.380
the original appeal was denied and your conviction was upheld.
1040
00:57:01.420 --> 00:57:03.000
Do you have anything else coming up?
1041
00:57:03.219 --> 00:57:08.159
So my 3850 was denied and then we put in
1042
00:57:08.199 --> 00:57:10.920
for a rehearing. and we made the cutoff and everything.
1043
00:57:11.000 --> 00:57:13.880
And it's been three years, and they still have not
1044
00:57:14.199 --> 00:57:18.360
contacted us about the rehearing or anything else. So yes,
1045
00:57:18.440 --> 00:57:21.440
we are definitely pushing forward. Rachel can tell you more
1046
00:57:21.500 --> 00:57:26.159
about all that and everything else because she's my lawyer,
1047
00:57:26.199 --> 00:57:29.420
of course. So Jeremy? The only question I have is
1048
00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:32.099
if you could talk to yourself before all this went down,
1049
00:57:32.780 --> 00:57:35.469
or you could talk to somebody who might be going.
1050
00:57:35.309 --> 00:57:41.530
Through a similar experience, what would you say? Like what
1051
00:57:42.570 --> 00:57:47.050
advice would you give yourself if you could go back and.
1052
00:57:47.030 --> 00:57:51.780
Talk to yourself before all this happened? Before all this
1053
00:57:51.929 --> 00:57:56.280
went down, before you met him? I wish I had
1054
00:57:56.340 --> 00:57:59.219
never wrote him the first time. I wish I had
1055
00:57:59.260 --> 00:58:03.659
discussed things with my brother before I ever even wrote him.
1056
00:58:05.469 --> 00:58:08.409
But that's not the case. So you can't turn back time.
1057
00:58:09.329 --> 00:58:13.030
I would tell people to be careful who they let
1058
00:58:13.070 --> 00:58:18.679
around them. Absolutely. So my friend Jeff was a great person,
1059
00:58:18.909 --> 00:58:22.039
still is a great person. I trust him with my life.
1060
00:58:22.179 --> 00:58:27.019
But his friends are not necessarily great people. Maybe to
1061
00:58:27.099 --> 00:58:30.760
him they are, but not to me. So to be
1062
00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:34.969
very careful what you do in life. and to try
1063
00:58:35.030 --> 00:58:38.570
to make the right decisions on whenever you have people's
1064
00:58:38.590 --> 00:58:39.409
lives in your hands.
1065
00:58:40.869 --> 00:58:45.469
Do you need any cutaways while we wrap up? Say
1066
00:58:45.489 --> 00:58:49.090
I don't try to be respectful of the time that
1067
00:58:49.110 --> 00:58:51.989
they give us. Is there anything else? I know we
1068
00:58:52.010 --> 00:58:53.550
tried to go fast through a lot of these things.
1069
00:58:53.610 --> 00:58:55.409
I hit on a lot of points while he's shooting
1070
00:58:55.429 --> 00:58:57.199
these last couple shots. Is there anything else that you
1071
00:58:57.219 --> 00:58:59.760
think is important for me to know for the Northwest
1072
00:58:59.780 --> 00:59:02.179
Florida community to know for the victims families to know?
1073
00:59:03.050 --> 00:59:13.840
So I do so William Boyette had he had so
1074
00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:16.530
he's hurt so many people I found this out afterwards
1075
00:59:16.550 --> 00:59:18.110
you know since I've been in here and I've been
1076
00:59:18.150 --> 00:59:20.989
digging up stuff and I've been researching stuff and everything
1077
00:59:21.110 --> 00:59:24.469
else I'll let you have this copy as well so
1078
00:59:25.929 --> 00:59:29.389
just How could they keep letting this man out? His
1079
00:59:29.489 --> 00:59:33.570
mom and them were connected. You know, like his stepdad
1080
00:59:33.650 --> 00:59:39.139
was part of this community or what. And they golfed
1081
00:59:39.179 --> 00:59:41.739
all the time and everything. They were like high society.
1082
00:59:41.760 --> 00:59:46.380
You know, his mom actually funded the whole trip. And
1083
00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:50.730
his mom rented the SUV and everything that he traveled
1084
00:59:50.829 --> 00:59:51.489
everywhere with.