S04 EP8: Adam Buxton

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Hello, I'm Rob Beckett.
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And I'm Josh Willickham.
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Welcome to Parenting Hell, the show in which Josh and
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I discuss what it's really like to be a parent,
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which I would say can be a little tricky.
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So, to make ourselves, and hopefully you, feel better about
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the trials and tribulations of modern day parenting, each week...
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We'll be chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping.
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Or hopefully how they're not coping.
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And we'll also be hearing from you, the listener, with
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your tips, advice and, of course, tales of parenting woe.
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Because let's be honest, there are plenty of times when
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none of us know what we're doing.
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Hello, you're listening to Parenting Hell with... Josh Widdicombe.
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Rob Beckett first. One, two, three, four. This is Rob Beckett.
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This is Rob.
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Beckett. This is Josh Widdicombe. This is Rob Beckett.
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Oh, it's amazing.
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That is incredible.
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Who's that? It's Kate Nash.
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She's back.
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She's back.
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It's good to have her back in our screens, isn't it?
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She never went.
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She never went. I love that song. It is such
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a good song, that Kate Nash song, isn't it? Foundations.
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Anyway.
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Hi, both. Here's my three-year-old son, Matteo. Matteo? Matteo? Having
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a go at singing your names to one of his
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favourite Human League songs. That's because that's the tune of
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Don't You Want Me, isn't it? I've just realised. I'm
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a freelance musician and my wife's an orchestral player. There's
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always music at home, but mainly 80s stuff for Matteo
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and his six-year-old sister, Sophia. That is incredible at three.
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That is unbelievable, isn't it?
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Do you want to have one more listen of that?
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I really enjoyed it. It's brilliant. Yeah, go on. I mean,
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it's a shame that's not just our theme tune, really,
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isn't it?
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Josh Whittaker.
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Rob Beckett first. One, two, three, four.
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This is Rob Beckett.
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This is Rob Beckett. This is.
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Josh Whittaker.
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This is Bobby Beckett.
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Says Bobby Beckett at the end as well. Oh, love it.
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Love that.
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Part of me feels like he's just done, he's just
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sang it himself and done something to the voice to
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make him sound like a kid.
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I always just feel as well like, oh my God,
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should I be doing more with my kids?
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Yeah, fucking hell, I've watched six episodes of Bluey this morning.
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I watched two Japanese kids, the age of four, twins,
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playing tennis as good as, I'd say, you know, Greg
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Rosetzky can play tennis.
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Yeah.
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And I just thought, why can't my kids play tennis
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like that?
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Why haven't I trained them to do it every day?
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I do think maybe, you know, do the Venus Serena
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Williams thing. Just get your kids onto a sport and
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just make them do it every day. I don't know
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if that's good parenting or not, but they will be
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good at tennis.
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I'm not sure it is. I've got a friend whose
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kid is at a football academy.
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Yeah.
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And he's like eight. Yeah. And he has to train
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three nights a week and play Saturday and Sunday.
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Oh.
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They've got to love it as well. So it's got
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to come from them, I think.
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And let's be honest, he's not going to make it.
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Can't wait for this to be played back. It's like
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when that fan slacked off Frank Lampard. You ever seen
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that clip? He goes, quite frankly, Harry, you're only playing
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Frank Lampard because he's your mate's son.
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He's your nephew or cousin, whatever he is. He ain't
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good enough. He ain't good enough.
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You let so-and-so go, and it's a player that I've
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not even heard of. You let him go, and you
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just kept, Frank, what are you doing? And then Harry
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Redknapp goes, I'm telling you now, he is going to
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go to the very, very top of this game.
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And they're going, oh, yeah, whatever, Harry.
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And it's such a great clip because Harry Redknapp is
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so spot on about him.
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Well, that's my moment. I don't know what this guy,
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I'm not going to say the name of this kid.
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No, but I'm sure he'll make it.
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No, but the odds are so against it, aren't they?
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Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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That's why I've sat my daughter down and said, you're
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not going to succeed at anything.
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I've still not taught my daughter to ride a bike.
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She's six.
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That's bad, isn't it?
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But kids don't ride bikes anymore. It's not like Stand
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By Me, is it, anymore?
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No, exactly. It's all about scooters these days.
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It's all about scooters these days. You're right, Josh. It's
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all about scooters. I'm not a bad dad. I'm trying
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my best.
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Exactly. We scootered to get a magazine earlier. They don't
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give a fuck about the magazine, do they?
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They just want the toys. I hate the magazines. They're
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about nine quid.
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It's like when I used to get the official PlayStation magazine,
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you got demos of games.
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Now, it's like a crap bit of plastic for six quid.
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Oh, so much crap plastic.
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You're better off taking them to an actual toy shop
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and getting a little teddy for about two quid. And
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it feels like they're getting a proper thing then.
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When they're browsing and you go, you haven't opened one
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of those magazines, all you're looking at is what's on
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the front.
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Yeah, just get them a toy instead. I hate the magazines.
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Anyway, how are you?
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What's happening? You all good?
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Let's do some Instagram email messages. We've not done many,
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have we?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Right, OK. Hey, hi, Rob and Josh.
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Following Josh's rogue baby monitor post, we went to a
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dinner party when our baby was about six months old
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and we put the baby upstairs in a travel cot
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and set the monitor up.
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One end in the baby's room and one end in
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the party room. It went amazing.
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The baby didn't make a sound, which was quite unusual
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under the circumstances. We felt very smug thinking how brilliant
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we looked in front of our children's friends. Parenting absolutely nailed.
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Until I went to actually check on the baby and
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my husband had put the monitors the wrong way round
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and had put the microphone end in the very noisy
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dinner party and the speaker in the baby's room.
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Incredible. Absolutely incredible.
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So had us shouting and laughing at full volume in
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her face in a house she didn't know. Needless to say,
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she wasn't asleep. Her face was puced with puffy eyes.
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And snot all over her face. Oh, God.
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From hard crying still crying and probably had been for
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a while absolute nightmare she's now eight though so apart
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from the nervous tick and the fear of being left
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alone she's completely fine um that's a joke from rebecca
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i imagine at the end there but we all have
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those moments do.
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You know what because it's on that thing of the
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spotify account where i mistakenly play music into my daughter's
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my son's yes I've had to set him up his
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own Spotify account, Rob.
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So have you got like a.
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You know, you can get a family Spotify where you
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get more than one Spotify account. So now he's nine months, Rob,
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and he's got his own Spotify account.
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Oh, my God, he's so he's London.
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And I had to lie about his age because they
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wouldn't let him. He asked me for his date of
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birth and they said he can't have a Spotify account.
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LAUGHTER That's amazing.
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But they'll be suspicious when everything's like nursery rhymes. This
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19-year-old's got a weird taste.
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He's been listening to a lot of the Joe Rogan podcast.
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He's got some very fruity views about the vaccine at
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the moment.
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Yeah, here's your Spotify rap. You're a paedophile incel from
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what you've been listening to. nursery rhymes and Joe Rogan
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well I am.
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Worried about my Spotify raps at the end of the
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year Rob because I've already done six weeks of nursery
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rhymes the whole thing's fucked mate you're.
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Gonna have a well weird rap we've got like an
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Alexa thing which is like linked up to Spotify or
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something and like when we go Alexa play Encanto soundtrack
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when you do it they read out who it's by
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you know normally they go play in the soundtrack but
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they go play in the official Encanto soundtrack it's about
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three minutes when they list everyone's name because about 40
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people have done.
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It it's mental I want to get into Encanto.
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It's like an assembly.
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It's like an assembly when they read out all the
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people that have got their certificates that year.
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But the kids love Encanto.
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I've realised I've never actually watched anything. Whenever they're watching,
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I just sit on the sofa with my phone or asleep.
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It's bad, isn't it? It's bad.
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But yeah, Encanto's doing pretty well, isn't it?
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Do you want a... What would Rob Beckett do?
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Yeah, go on. I don't know why I'm falling apart here,
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but yeah, I'll try my best to give you some advice.
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Hi, chaps. Love the pod. I listen to it while
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I do my daily walk and it really makes me laugh.
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I wanted to ask you how to handle cutting your
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children's nails. My daughter, Jessie is really hard work and
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she screams and cries. If I go anywhere near her
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toenails with nail cutters, I have resorted to cutting them
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at night while she sleeps. Amazing. What can be done
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with a sleeping child? I feel a bit guilty about it,
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but can't think of how I can convince her to
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let me cut them. Any ideas? We've tried chocolates, open brackets, bribes,
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and making it a game with her toys. but nothing
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seems to work. Help, Jenny.
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I just think do it at night, but maybe get
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one of them little, you know, them like camping strap
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lights for your head.
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Yeah, like going down a mine.
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Yeah, a little miner's helmet. Get a little miner's helmet.
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Just do it when she's asleep because really, one, it's
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quick and easy for you.
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Yeah.
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And she's not getting upset or stressed. Eventually she'll be fine.
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This is not like she's got to get over this
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to survive in the real world. So just, if it
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ain't broke, don't fix it. It feels like you've got
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a solution.
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If it ain't fixed, don't broke it. You don't need...
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If the nail's long, don't cut it. Do you know
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what I mean?
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That said.
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But I think you've got the solution.
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Yeah, I agree.
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You know, it's not like a real lifestyle skill, being
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able to have your nails cut.
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No.
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So just do it when she's asleep.
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Yeah, I agree.
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Also, from her point of view, if I need a haircut, right,
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and a beard trim at the moment, if I went
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to sleep and someone did it in my sleep, I'd
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be absolutely loving life.
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I'd be delighted.
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Imagine waking up with a fresh trim.
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You know when you're like, oh, God, I'm knackered. I've
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got to brush my teeth. I've got to wash my face,
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all that. If I could go to sleep and someone
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could brush my teeth while I slept. Oh, man.
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I mean, you've got to be a deep sleeper for that,
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haven't you?
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Yeah, I mean, there's choking issues there, but....
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Don't worry, my teeth are clean for the morning. Well,
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I think that's fine. I don't think you need help.
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I think you're smashing it. You've solved your own problem there.
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Exactly.
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I'll just let him have a little massive long wizard nails.
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Yeah, one of the two. One of the two. Have
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you got any other emails, Rob?
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Boomer Parenting here.
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When I was about seven and my brother was three,
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the light bulb in our hallway blew. It was just
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us and my mum at home, and she asked me
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to turn the light switch off so that she could
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change the bulb.
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My mum told me this was really important.
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The trouble was there were two switches that controlled that light,
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so I had no idea which way was off.
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Oh, no. Oh, no.
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Oh, come on now.
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Oh, my God.
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That is brutal, isn't it? Do you think parents just
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get bored and think this will be a laugh?
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Would you ever do that to one of your kids?
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Do you know what it feels like?
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Maybe having children, because we're still young and we're a
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bit green into it with young kids, is having children
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like getting a new car where you have all rules
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of like, I'm not going to drive it down that
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tight road or I'm not going to go in an
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underground car park, no food in it, whatever. And then
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after a while, it slowly just gets worse and worse.
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And then you think, fuck it, do what you want
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in it. Do what you want to it.
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The kids are damaged enough. What's another story?
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I've got a new computer. And for the last week,
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every time it's been suggesting an update, I'm like, I'm
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going to do the update.
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Why not?
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I'm going to close all the windows. I'm going to
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send the report that that app crashed.
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I'm going to have a clean desktop. I'm going to
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file stuff.
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Exactly.
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But yeah, maybe that's just what happens.
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So do you think we're going to become worse, less
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caring parents as it goes on, Rob? Yes.
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LAUGHTER I think that's what happens.
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And then when you've got a grandkid you don't care,
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you just sort of juggle them about, throw them up
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in the air.
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This is funny.
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You know that woman that was drunk at our live
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shows and shouted, how's your dog?
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Yeah.
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This is from Steve. Hi, Rob and Josh.
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Just listen to this week's podcast and can't stop laughing
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as the how's your.
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Dog woman is my wife, Tora.
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Oh.
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Last week's live show fell on her birthday and the
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show was a birthday treat, but I made the mistake
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of bringing her into London early for lunch and cocktails
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at midday.
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Oh, mate.
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And she got rather merry before and during the show. Surprisingly,
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she did remember shouting, how's your dog, the next morning,
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but did not remember falling asleep on the train all
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the way home with her face in a ham and
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coleslaw sandwich I pulled from the shop to try and
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sober her up. We have a whippet called Wilf and
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she was over the moon when Rob got Freddie. It
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was almost identical. So she was keen to find out
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how he was. The live show was great. We didn't
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stop laughing all night. Keep up the great work, Steve.
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That's a great review for the live show, but you
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may have to be so pissed you can't even stay
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awake on the journey home.
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We should say today, the day this is released, at
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10am is when the tickets have gone on general sale
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for the two new live shows that we're doing.
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Yes, Manchester and London.
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They are next April. Which I know is a long
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way away, but there's a, you know.
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Well, no, basically, we can't get it sooner.
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Because of the COVID, everything's being rescheduled, so that's the
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only time we could get them in the room.
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And also, it gives you a chance to get a babysitter.
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You've got 14 months to prepare. I suppose you just
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go online and Google it and the tickets will be available,
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will they? How does it work? That's how it works, right?
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We'll put links in everything.
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Josh, you're panicking about ticket sales, I can sense it.
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I panic about everything, Rob.
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If they want to come, they'll come. Don't let them
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find it.
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All right, Kevin Costner, fucking hell. LAUGHTER If you.
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Build it, they will come. That's the line, isn't it?
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Yeah.
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That'll be fine, mate. If not, it'll be a laugh anyway,
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won't it?
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Yeah, it'll be fun.
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Me and you in there.
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I'm going to go on the mega lash afterwards. I
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can't wait.
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We should organise an after party somewhere.
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Yeah, we should. We're not going to put that on
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the podcast. Why not? Because.
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Should we do a club night in Indigo?
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Because I'm not sitting there while someone who's had cocktails
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since midday asks you how your dog is.
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As your dog.
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What a terrible question. What do you want me to say?
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Fucking on antibiotics last week. Oh, God.
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Right, do you want another one?
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Yeah, one last one.
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Okay. Hi, Rob and Josh. Hope you're both well.
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Just been listening to your most recent episode, What is
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the Time, where Josh couldn't say how many days in
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each month without singing the rhyme. I'm a teacher and
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have a much easier way of remembering.
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Here we go.
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Clench both of your knuckles and put them side by side.
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Starting from the left, your little finger knuckle represents January
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with 31 days. Then February is the dip between the knuckles.
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I've seen this before. So March has got 31, April 30,
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May 31, June 30, July 31, August 31, September 30.
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You're not helping. Sorry.
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But I'm reading that. Yeah, but hang on. So, yeah.
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So you put both your hands out in fists.
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Yeah, okay.
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So January is the 31st, and then February's in a dip,
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so it has less than 31. Moving on to March,
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the knuckle is 31, et cetera. July and August are
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both 31, then as they are two knuckles side by
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side when your fists are together.
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That... How is that easy? That is mental. That's fucking mental, Emily.
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Why don't you keep your ideas to your fucking self, Emily,
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from Leamington Spa? Jesus Christ. There's people trying to drive
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doing that, nearly crashing. Fuck's sake, just look at your phone.
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Sorry, Emily, but fucking hell, mate. Jesus Christ.
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I don't think that's better than the rhyme.
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Absolutely not.
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Insane. Oh, dear.
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Right, well, Josh, shall we... Oh, introduce the guest. That's
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what we should do. I just panicked. I thought I
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didn't record that, but I have been recording it. Thank God.
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I did feel... Do you know what? The panic that
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gripped you felt like me worrying about ticket sales.
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And it.
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When am I going to stop worrying about life?
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You can't, mate. It'll be what it'll be. And if
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people come, they come. If they don't, they don't. I
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think they will.
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We sold quite a lot of tickets last time. The
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show's going to be great. And it is what it is.
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You've got to chill out a bit more. And I
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know it's coming from a man that broke down in
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tears after a gig for seven seconds and then recovered
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after being heckled.
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But sometimes you've just got to not care.
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Yeah.
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Okay. Fair enough. Well, talk about something you need to
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chill out, Rob. Yes. Here's Adam Buxton.
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Adam Buxton's a very stressed man. Love Adam Buxton. He's
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a great guy. And a great episode, this. He's a
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big podcast fella, isn't he?
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Loves the podcast.
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Oh, king of the pods.
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Enjoy Adam Buxton.
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Adam Buxton, welcome to the podcast. Before we start, have
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you done a podcast before? Do you need any pointers,
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explanation of how it all works or you're good?
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Am I able to swear?
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Yeah, as much as you want. So how many kids
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you got? What's your kids set up?
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I think I'm pretty sure I've got three.
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Yep.
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I've got there's a girl is definitely a girl. She's
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nice and she seems to like me. There's two boys.
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One of them's keener on me than the other one.
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they're teenagers the oldest one has gone off to university
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oh wow last year studying music production that was a
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big deal because we really thought that he was never
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ever going to leave the house and i don't think
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he wanted to leave the house the middle one is
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quite different he's 17 now in the best possible way
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he doesn't give a shit I mean, that's a quality
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that is sometimes a source of anxiety and worry for
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the lad and also frustration when the lad doesn't do
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anything or want to do anything or do what you
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say or what you suggest. But then other times I
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do think, actually, that's kind of a superpower. If you
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genuinely don't give a shit and you're not horrible, which
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he's not. He's like he's a nice guy and he's
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got one or two talents. He's quite musical. I think
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that that's a pretty good way to be, because I
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was the opposite. I gave a shit about everything.
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Yeah.
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And it was, you know, crippling.
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How does not giving a shit manifest itself? Give an
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example of him not kind of giving a shit.
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Well, he doesn't seem to be... I mean, I've got
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to be careful not to malign him unfairly, but he
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doesn't seem overly worried about... his academic progress at school
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or lack thereof yeah and the whole revising for exams
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thing nah he's not too worried about that he's got
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it down he's like it's fine it's fine i'm gonna
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do it at the end this is how i do
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it okay it's like he pretends that he's got a
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system He's like, no, you idiots, you don't understand. The
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system is I do it the night before. That's how
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I do it. And then we say, yeah, but you
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failed all of those exams. I know because I didn't
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do it that time. This time I'm going to do
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it the night before and it's going to be fine.
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I went to school in central London, right next to
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Westminster Abbey. And I remember wandering around in St. James's
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Park just before my A-levels with a bottle of whiskey
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in my pocket thinking, my life is over because I
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am not on top of these exams and I don't
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know what's going to happen to me. And the school
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I went to, they drilled it into you that you
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better pull your socks up, Buxton, because otherwise you can
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forget about the rest of your life. You know, if
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you don't get into this university or that university, that's it.
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You're done. I really believed it, you know, and it's
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such a lot of bullshit.
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So your son doesn't care about that kind of stuff,
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but obviously you were kind of tormented by it. Do
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you find it difficult to let go of that yourself?
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Do you find yourself putting pressure on him with that?
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Or do you feel like you can step back and
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let it just unfold?
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Well, I'm definitely, you know, in the good cop, bad
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cop dynamic that my wife and I adopt, like many
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other parents, I'm definitely the cop that's saying, hey, it's fine,
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you're going to be fine, don't worry about it. Whereas
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she's much more on top of all their educational stuff.
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I really do think that too much pressure is put
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on children. And this idea that if you don't get
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the right exam results right, It's all over. It's bullshit.
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I appreciate that. You know, we're very lucky in all
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sorts of ways. They've got a safety net, our children,
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and there's all kinds of ways that they're spoiled and
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we're going to be there for them. And not everyone
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is in that fortunate position. So the stakes are higher
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and the stakes are high for our children as well.
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You know, I want them to do as well as
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they can and to do some work and understand. that
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you do actually have to try at things for things
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to happen you can't just expect everything to come to
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you yeah but at the same time it is not
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all over if you screw up your exams you know.
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Yeah Also, sometimes you don't have to try hard. Genuinely,
496
00:20:03.180 --> 00:20:05.079
with certain things, obviously you have to put effort in
497
00:20:05.099 --> 00:20:07.720
with things. But for me, like with certain stuff, if
498
00:20:07.819 --> 00:20:10.019
I try hard, I ruin it. So you do have
499
00:20:10.059 --> 00:20:11.519
to make sure you're putting all the effort in in
500
00:20:11.539 --> 00:20:14.140
the right places. But just by staring at a page
501
00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:15.740
for 12 hours doesn't mean it'll help.
502
00:20:15.769 --> 00:20:16.440
You know what I mean?
503
00:20:16.460 --> 00:20:20.009
Where sometimes I think people can be coerced into over-preparing
504
00:20:20.029 --> 00:20:21.930
and working too hard. And that stresses them out as well,
505
00:20:21.970 --> 00:20:24.529
where some people naturally are better if they're more rested
506
00:20:24.569 --> 00:20:27.230
and chilled and relaxed than being so crippled with the
507
00:20:27.269 --> 00:20:27.829
pressure of it.
508
00:20:28.180 --> 00:20:31.720
Yeah, exactly. And also, it sometimes seems as if all
509
00:20:31.740 --> 00:20:35.630
you're training them to do is play a certain system
510
00:20:36.150 --> 00:20:39.309
that actually doesn't equip them with all that many skills
511
00:20:39.529 --> 00:20:42.109
for what's really important in life. You know, they still
512
00:20:42.170 --> 00:20:46.289
don't teach all sorts of very basic things at school.
513
00:20:46.329 --> 00:20:48.430
I think they're beginning to do it a bit more.
514
00:20:48.730 --> 00:20:49.170
You know what I mean?
515
00:20:49.190 --> 00:20:54.150
Like relationships, how to open a bank account. how to
516
00:20:54.220 --> 00:20:57.539
do your washing, how to feed yourself properly. You know,
517
00:20:57.559 --> 00:21:01.500
there are more of those elements creeping into education now,
518
00:21:01.559 --> 00:21:04.759
I get the impression. And they're beginning to talk about like, oh,
519
00:21:04.779 --> 00:21:07.630
you know, treat people with respect and do all that
520
00:21:07.650 --> 00:21:10.529
sort of stuff. But still, there are yawning gaps there
521
00:21:10.589 --> 00:21:13.910
that are filled with just a load of stuff that
522
00:21:13.950 --> 00:21:15.950
you learn by rote that you're never going to use.
523
00:21:15.970 --> 00:21:19.549
Totally agree. Obviously, you went to a school... which was
524
00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:21.890
very proper and about results and all that kind of thing.
525
00:21:21.930 --> 00:21:23.970
Yeah, who the fuck goes to school in Westminster? Where's
526
00:21:23.990 --> 00:21:25.630
this gaff? I've never heard of it.
527
00:21:25.789 --> 00:21:27.089
You're not going to believe what it's called, Rob. I
528
00:21:27.109 --> 00:21:28.470
can tell you what it's called. You said it in
529
00:21:28.509 --> 00:21:28.680
the word.
530
00:21:31.259 --> 00:21:32.220
Westminster School.
531
00:21:32.559 --> 00:21:35.960
Yeah, this was an expensive private school that my parents
532
00:21:36.039 --> 00:21:38.779
got me into, that my dad was very excited to
533
00:21:38.819 --> 00:21:41.819
get me into. He kind of got a last minute deal.
534
00:21:42.099 --> 00:21:42.259
Yeah.
535
00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:44.980
He got a cheap deal. You know, sometimes if you
536
00:21:45.069 --> 00:21:47.940
book hotels at the right time, you can get quite
537
00:21:47.980 --> 00:21:50.549
a nice room for a lot less. I think that's
538
00:21:50.609 --> 00:21:53.210
what he got with Westminster. And as a result, I
539
00:21:53.269 --> 00:21:54.730
started a term later.
540
00:21:54.750 --> 00:21:57.250
Oh, right. Did you have siblings as well, Adam?
541
00:21:57.559 --> 00:21:59.319
I did. Yes, I was the oldest of three. No,
542
00:21:59.339 --> 00:22:01.420
they didn't go there. The thing with my dad, which
543
00:22:01.480 --> 00:22:03.440
I wrote about in my book, was that he kind
544
00:22:03.500 --> 00:22:06.200
of overreached financially.
545
00:22:06.220 --> 00:22:06.519
Yeah.
546
00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:08.720
And he ran out of money.
547
00:22:08.740 --> 00:22:10.200
A lot of pressure on you. Yeah.
548
00:22:10.279 --> 00:22:11.859
I basically emptied the pot.
549
00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:13.700
That's a lot of pressure.
550
00:22:14.119 --> 00:22:16.140
It was a lot of pressure. I mean, my brother
551
00:22:16.160 --> 00:22:18.539
and sister did start to go to similar schools, but yeah,
552
00:22:18.559 --> 00:22:21.039
he had to take my brother out. And he never
553
00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:23.779
really forgave himself for that. And there was a lot
554
00:22:23.819 --> 00:22:26.640
of pressure on me that I didn't feel at the time.
555
00:22:26.660 --> 00:22:28.069
Oh, my God. No wonder you got a bottle of
556
00:22:28.089 --> 00:22:29.109
whiskey on the guy in the park.
557
00:22:29.549 --> 00:22:33.049
Exactly. But then later on, I really did feel like
558
00:22:33.349 --> 00:22:37.950
me waggling toys on Channel 4 and doing poo and
559
00:22:37.990 --> 00:22:42.049
fart jokes is not what my dad was imagining when
560
00:22:42.089 --> 00:22:45.210
he spent all his money and ruined his marriage by
561
00:22:45.250 --> 00:22:46.670
sending me to an expensive school.
562
00:22:47.829 --> 00:22:49.869
But you got him on the show. Was that a
563
00:22:50.029 --> 00:22:52.990
nod to it? I'll get my dad on the TV
564
00:22:53.029 --> 00:22:55.430
show as a kind of slight payback. 100%.
565
00:22:55.430 --> 00:22:59.190
Yeah, it definitely was. That was one of the big
566
00:22:59.279 --> 00:23:01.930
things I was thinking was like, here you go, Dad.
567
00:23:01.950 --> 00:23:04.940
You see, it wasn't a total waste of money after all.
568
00:23:05.039 --> 00:23:06.720
And I used to love it when we did. I'm
569
00:23:06.740 --> 00:23:08.839
talking about a show called The Adam and Joe Show
570
00:23:08.859 --> 00:23:11.420
that me and Joe Cornish used to do on Channel 4.
571
00:23:11.420 --> 00:23:14.470
And my dad, who was then in his mid-70s, was
572
00:23:14.569 --> 00:23:18.910
drafted in to be our kind of youth correspondent. And
573
00:23:19.069 --> 00:23:21.690
we'd go off to festivals with him and he'd review
574
00:23:21.809 --> 00:23:25.490
records and hip-hop and the Spice Girls and all sorts
575
00:23:25.529 --> 00:23:28.230
of stuff. You know, the joke was, ha-ha, here's this
576
00:23:28.289 --> 00:23:30.930
posh old guy and he's totally out of touch with
577
00:23:31.009 --> 00:23:33.450
this stuff. But it was funny to hear him rant
578
00:23:33.490 --> 00:23:35.230
about it because he hated it all. Are you going
579
00:23:35.259 --> 00:23:37.410
to sue Jack Whitehall for stealing your idea or just
580
00:23:37.470 --> 00:23:42.529
leave it? LAUGHTER Well, I don't think we invented the
581
00:23:42.630 --> 00:23:46.890
idea of dads getting your parents involved with fun shenanigans.
582
00:23:47.289 --> 00:23:49.559
The thing about Jack Whitehall is that he's always on
583
00:23:49.619 --> 00:23:52.400
screen with his dad. I never really was. We always
584
00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:54.859
just used to leave him to it, my dad. But
585
00:23:54.900 --> 00:23:57.720
I really did think, here we go, look, I've come
586
00:23:57.759 --> 00:24:00.819
good after all that money you wasted at the school.
587
00:24:01.279 --> 00:24:03.690
Here we are on TV because he liked being on TV,
588
00:24:03.730 --> 00:24:04.069
my dad.
589
00:24:04.190 --> 00:24:05.890
Well, he was a writer, wasn't he? A wine critic
590
00:24:05.930 --> 00:24:06.750
kind of thing. Is that right?
591
00:24:06.849 --> 00:24:10.519
Yeah, exactly. He was a travel writer. And he wrote
592
00:24:10.579 --> 00:24:13.059
about wine. Yeah, that was his big passion. And he
593
00:24:13.099 --> 00:24:13.940
loved walking.
594
00:24:13.960 --> 00:24:16.599
Well, travel and wine is all very sort of like
595
00:24:16.940 --> 00:24:18.960
about money and sort of like, you know, there's always
596
00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:20.779
a next level up. And I suppose he sort of
597
00:24:20.960 --> 00:24:23.700
translated that into schooling as well, where that school is
598
00:24:23.720 --> 00:24:25.240
probably one of the best in the country, I imagine.
599
00:24:25.880 --> 00:24:29.349
Yeah, he came from a big working class family in
600
00:24:29.450 --> 00:24:33.519
Sussex and his parents lived. help to run an estate
601
00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:37.359
for a wealthy family they basically had it drummed into
602
00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:39.700
them that they would do anything they could to be
603
00:24:39.779 --> 00:24:42.859
part of the establishment you know that they would move
604
00:24:42.940 --> 00:24:46.109
up the social ranks and so my dad always aspired
605
00:24:46.150 --> 00:24:49.250
to being part of what he saw as the right
606
00:24:49.809 --> 00:24:52.809
people in the right environment and go to Oxbridge and
607
00:24:53.430 --> 00:24:55.630
read the right books and plus he was a clever
608
00:24:55.670 --> 00:24:57.980
guy who worked really hard so it's not as if
609
00:24:58.019 --> 00:24:59.599
he didn't belong there do you know what I mean
610
00:24:59.619 --> 00:25:02.589
like it's not as if he didn't have what was required.
611
00:25:02.769 --> 00:25:05.589
How does that reflect then kind of upbringing that you've
612
00:25:05.630 --> 00:25:07.490
given your kids? What do you take from that and
613
00:25:07.529 --> 00:25:09.650
then place onto them as a parent?
614
00:25:09.990 --> 00:25:15.990
I'm raising them to be working class. Because that's what
615
00:25:16.029 --> 00:25:19.869
everyone aspires to now. Everyone hates posh people. So I'm
616
00:25:19.930 --> 00:25:21.910
bringing them up as EastEnders.
617
00:25:22.190 --> 00:25:23.869
Jelly deals for breakfast, stuff like that.
618
00:25:24.190 --> 00:25:24.490
Yeah.
619
00:25:24.769 --> 00:25:25.950
Swap Rosie for a whippet.
620
00:25:28.109 --> 00:25:28.549
That's right.
621
00:25:29.009 --> 00:25:31.250
Rosie's your dog, by the way, not your daughter, just
622
00:25:31.269 --> 00:25:32.339
to confirm to the listeners.
623
00:25:32.859 --> 00:25:37.660
No, it's very tricky to walk the line between, you know,
624
00:25:37.700 --> 00:25:40.240
your instinct as a parent is to do well for
625
00:25:40.259 --> 00:25:42.339
your children, is to give them the things that you
626
00:25:42.380 --> 00:25:45.380
never had. I mean, I had pretty much everything that
627
00:25:45.619 --> 00:25:48.109
I could possibly need when I was younger, but there's
628
00:25:48.220 --> 00:25:51.450
always going to be a gap there, whatever your upbringing
629
00:25:51.529 --> 00:25:54.609
is like. And for me, the gap was... A closer
630
00:25:54.650 --> 00:25:56.990
relationship with my own parents because they sent us off
631
00:25:57.029 --> 00:25:58.990
to these schools. You know, I went to boarding school
632
00:25:59.009 --> 00:25:59.670
when I was quite young.
633
00:25:59.690 --> 00:26:01.410
Oh, was that a boarding one, the Westminster one?
634
00:26:01.609 --> 00:26:05.019
Well, actually, I'd been to boarding school before then. And
635
00:26:05.079 --> 00:26:07.440
by the time I got to Westminster, I said, oh,
636
00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:09.319
I want to carry on boarding because I was sort
637
00:26:09.339 --> 00:26:10.519
of institutionalised.
638
00:26:10.779 --> 00:26:11.059
Yeah.
639
00:26:11.319 --> 00:26:13.519
We lived in London, so I could easily have gone home.
640
00:26:13.579 --> 00:26:17.079
I could have been a day boy. But I said, no, no,
641
00:26:17.099 --> 00:26:17.460
I want to.
642
00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:18.059
Be a boarder.
643
00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:20.099
I want to carry on with that life because it
644
00:26:20.140 --> 00:26:21.119
was more fun.
645
00:26:21.140 --> 00:26:23.750
You're a big boy, you're a grown-up, that kind of stuff, yeah.
646
00:26:23.910 --> 00:26:26.170
Yeah, intense friendships.
647
00:26:26.349 --> 00:26:27.930
Did you ever wank on a biscuit? Is that a
648
00:26:27.950 --> 00:26:28.910
thing or is that made up?
649
00:26:29.890 --> 00:26:33.980
I never took part in the sticky biscuit ritual to
650
00:26:34.019 --> 00:26:35.859
which you are referring. Soggy.
651
00:26:35.940 --> 00:26:38.900
I thought soggy biscuits, sticky biscuits, same vibe. So did
652
00:26:38.920 --> 00:26:39.359
it happen?
653
00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:43.200
I've heard soggy biscuits, sticky biscuit. Not that I'm aware of.
654
00:26:43.309 --> 00:26:45.849
I never, ever heard of anyone actually doing that.
655
00:26:45.990 --> 00:26:46.250
No.
656
00:26:46.289 --> 00:26:47.890
Are you going to spell it out for the listeners
657
00:26:47.950 --> 00:26:48.599
now or am I?
658
00:26:48.789 --> 00:26:51.420
Well, you'll stand in a circle, I imagine, and masturbate.
659
00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:54.220
And then the person that ejaculates last eats the biscuit
660
00:26:54.259 --> 00:26:54.980
covered in semen.
661
00:26:57.680 --> 00:26:58.339
That's the one.
662
00:26:58.359 --> 00:27:00.180
That's the one. We have a lot of older listeners
663
00:27:00.220 --> 00:27:01.579
that may not be aware, so I think it's great
664
00:27:01.599 --> 00:27:06.400
to spell that out. Just in case.
665
00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:08.259
I want to go back to my point. I don't
666
00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:09.579
want to be Kay Burley here, Adam. I'm going to
667
00:27:09.640 --> 00:27:12.019
pressure you on this. Were there biscuits, at least? Can
668
00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:14.140
you confirm or deny biscuits in the boarding school?
669
00:27:16.410 --> 00:27:19.150
Yeah, there were lots of biscuits. We used to get
670
00:27:19.329 --> 00:27:25.109
free chocolate digestives, but no, there was no custard cream action.
671
00:27:25.130 --> 00:27:28.549
None of that. No special fillings. That didn't happen. I mean,
672
00:27:29.049 --> 00:27:32.079
going to school in London, we felt that we were
673
00:27:32.170 --> 00:27:36.160
not part of that kind of super posh public school
674
00:27:36.259 --> 00:27:40.339
elite world. In fact, we looked down on those people.
675
00:27:40.619 --> 00:27:42.619
We made jokes about Etonians.
676
00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:43.519
Wow.
677
00:27:44.750 --> 00:27:47.109
How stuck up they were and how out of touch
678
00:27:47.130 --> 00:27:49.730
they were. We felt that we were just regular guys.
679
00:27:49.750 --> 00:27:50.950
You know, it didn't occur to us.
680
00:27:51.009 --> 00:27:52.619
You're like urban inner city kids.
681
00:27:53.059 --> 00:27:56.220
Yeah, exactly. Plus the uniform was different. You know, we
682
00:27:56.259 --> 00:27:59.400
didn't have to wear sort of tail coats and straw
683
00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:01.700
boaters and things like that. We just wore a black suit.
684
00:28:02.099 --> 00:28:04.920
So we looked like Reservoir Dogs wannabes, you know.
685
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:07.730
And you were listening to like, I've read your book,
686
00:28:07.769 --> 00:28:09.970
which I loved. I realise I'm like telling you about
687
00:28:09.990 --> 00:28:13.089
your own childhood. But basically, you know, you say you're
688
00:28:13.130 --> 00:28:14.920
kind of, You thought you were urban and stuff, but
689
00:28:14.940 --> 00:28:18.039
you were watching films and you were getting stoned and, like,
690
00:28:18.819 --> 00:28:21.259
you know, you've made two very long-term friends there that
691
00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:23.859
we're aware of, like, still aware of, Joe Cornish and
692
00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:26.980
Louis Theroux. And so, like... Yeah. I look at that
693
00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:29.720
and I go, it seems like quite a fun, cool
694
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:32.420
place with you guys hanging around. Were you the exceptions?
695
00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:33.079
Were you the rule?
696
00:28:33.900 --> 00:28:36.640
I think there was a lot of people there like that.
697
00:28:36.740 --> 00:28:39.500
It felt fun. It felt vibrant. After a while, it did.
698
00:28:39.559 --> 00:28:43.069
For the first year... It felt grim. I'd been at
699
00:28:43.109 --> 00:28:46.730
a co-ed boarding school and I really liked being around girls,
700
00:28:46.769 --> 00:28:49.150
you know, and I liked the fact that it kind
701
00:28:49.269 --> 00:28:53.009
of balances out the laddiness. And it's more kind of
702
00:28:53.150 --> 00:28:56.049
you can talk about your feelings without anyone kind of
703
00:28:56.210 --> 00:28:59.170
beating you up and things like that. So when I
704
00:28:59.230 --> 00:29:02.549
got to Westminster, which was all boys until the sixth form,
705
00:29:02.829 --> 00:29:04.670
it was a real shock and I didn't like it.
706
00:29:04.710 --> 00:29:07.390
And I didn't know how to talk about football and
707
00:29:07.549 --> 00:29:10.089
cars and all this stuff that these other boys were
708
00:29:10.130 --> 00:29:13.000
talking about. But then after a while, you know, after
709
00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:16.539
I met Joe and Louis and people like that, you know,
710
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:19.079
I got lucky, basically. I fell in with that crowd
711
00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:23.700
and they were all very funny and motivated and cultured.
712
00:29:23.779 --> 00:29:27.750
And I just tagged along and we made films and
713
00:29:27.910 --> 00:29:31.789
put on plays. And I really, really lucked out, you know,
714
00:29:31.849 --> 00:29:34.009
but it's not the same for so many other children.
715
00:29:34.049 --> 00:29:37.369
I think now, especially looking at my own children, they're
716
00:29:37.430 --> 00:29:40.259
not having the same time at school that I did
717
00:29:40.380 --> 00:29:43.880
I don't think at all and sometimes it doesn't click
718
00:29:43.900 --> 00:29:46.180
in the least and they don't make any friends but
719
00:29:46.220 --> 00:29:49.109
I think everything happens a lot later for children nowadays
720
00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:51.970
don't you reckon like I think a 19 year old
721
00:29:52.089 --> 00:29:55.190
now is often kind of the equivalent of a 14
722
00:29:55.190 --> 00:29:57.150
year old when I was growing up in the 80s
723
00:29:57.609 --> 00:30:01.519
in what sense there's kind of an innocence right yeah
724
00:30:01.890 --> 00:30:05.960
that stays with children a lot longer yeah in certain
725
00:30:06.019 --> 00:30:08.519
ways obviously you got social media and things like that.
726
00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:11.920
Less independence i think physically online's different but like out
727
00:30:11.940 --> 00:30:14.039
and about when you're 13 you could go down the
728
00:30:14.059 --> 00:30:15.880
park on your own or 12 or whatever but now
729
00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:18.059
i think people are more wary of letting a kid
730
00:30:18.099 --> 00:30:19.460
especially in london go out on their.
731
00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:22.569
Own exactly exactly so we were left to our own
732
00:30:22.589 --> 00:30:27.450
devices and we had that independence that Being a boarder
733
00:30:27.529 --> 00:30:30.349
kind of instills, even though Joe Cornish, for example, was
734
00:30:30.430 --> 00:30:32.589
a day boy, he was more of a mysterious figure.
735
00:30:32.630 --> 00:30:34.690
He would disappear at the end of the day. But
736
00:30:34.730 --> 00:30:37.069
the rest of us were all banged up together, as
737
00:30:37.130 --> 00:30:40.730
it were, and would go on adventures and you kind
738
00:30:40.789 --> 00:30:44.029
of escape from cold hits and you sneak out after
739
00:30:44.069 --> 00:30:48.430
hours and wander around London and go to arcades and
740
00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:51.960
go boozing. And it was good fun in that way.
741
00:30:52.220 --> 00:30:55.180
And would you have considered ever sending your children to
742
00:30:55.220 --> 00:30:55.779
boarding school?
743
00:30:56.190 --> 00:30:58.930
No, not for a second, because I think what you
744
00:30:59.049 --> 00:31:02.529
lose is pretty significant. For me, I think the thing
745
00:31:02.670 --> 00:31:06.019
I lost was a close relationship with my parents. The
746
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:08.839
older I got, the more I regretted it, and the
747
00:31:08.890 --> 00:31:13.440
more I envied friends of mine who had different, quotes,
748
00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:17.599
more normal relationships with their parents. I never understood people
749
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:20.359
who phoned up their mum every day and things like that.
750
00:31:20.380 --> 00:31:21.759
You know, it's like I spoke to my mum a
751
00:31:22.259 --> 00:31:25.970
couple of times a year in my 20s. Blimey. not
752
00:31:26.009 --> 00:31:27.849
very often at all you know I'd seen them actually
753
00:31:27.869 --> 00:31:30.890
I'm exaggerating I'd see them at family occasions and definitely
754
00:31:30.910 --> 00:31:33.789
at Christmas which I always look forward to but there
755
00:31:33.829 --> 00:31:37.359
was definitely not a closeness there yeah which I really
756
00:31:37.430 --> 00:31:41.190
regretted and I do blame that on boarding school and
757
00:31:41.210 --> 00:31:41.700
what do you.
758
00:31:41.579 --> 00:31:44.380
Do with your kids to kind of readdress that do
759
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:46.240
you feel like you've got a much closer relationship with
760
00:31:46.259 --> 00:31:48.059
your kids than you had with your parents.
761
00:31:48.289 --> 00:31:50.009
What I do to make up for that is I
762
00:31:50.289 --> 00:31:54.059
smother my children with my creepy attempts to be their
763
00:31:54.119 --> 00:31:57.980
best friend. And I stunt their emotional growth by keeping
764
00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:01.690
them far too close to me and telling them I
765
00:32:01.750 --> 00:32:06.210
love them all the time. So that any semblance of
766
00:32:06.289 --> 00:32:09.170
independence is completely squeezed.
767
00:32:08.750 --> 00:32:09.130
Out of them.
768
00:32:10.089 --> 00:32:12.450
But imagine that for the 19-year-old who's at uni now.
769
00:32:12.890 --> 00:32:14.619
You're cool. You're a cool dad.
770
00:32:14.690 --> 00:32:16.519
You're like, you know, you're in the public eye, but
771
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:19.000
you do a cool podcast and your shows are sort
772
00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:21.380
of like they sort of come back as like cult
773
00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:23.180
hits almost, even though they were on telly years and
774
00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:25.720
years ago, those ones with Adam and Joe stuff.
775
00:32:25.740 --> 00:32:27.519
So has he mentioned any of that to you? Has
776
00:32:27.539 --> 00:32:28.460
that been brought up at uni?
777
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:30.240
Because Adam and Joe is sort of one of the
778
00:32:30.529 --> 00:32:33.309
quintessential sort of, they're the people you get into at uni,
779
00:32:33.450 --> 00:32:34.829
I found. I don't know if it's because I'm older now,
780
00:32:34.890 --> 00:32:37.369
but are you getting any feedback from your eldest?
781
00:32:38.250 --> 00:32:38.690
No.
782
00:32:39.410 --> 00:32:39.569
No.
783
00:32:39.589 --> 00:32:42.859
LAUGHTER Are you a cool guy?
784
00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:44.099
Do you ever say to him, hey, I'm a cool
785
00:32:44.140 --> 00:32:45.480
guy and I'm your dad?
786
00:32:45.740 --> 00:32:48.960
He thinks I'm cool. Yeah, he likes what I do.
787
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:52.660
And sometimes sometimes I worry about that as well. I
788
00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:57.680
basically I worry about every single thing in parenting. Oh,
789
00:32:57.880 --> 00:33:02.269
I just don't have this basically tiny little windows that.
790
00:33:02.630 --> 00:33:05.680
of confidence when you think, oh, actually, I'm pretty nice
791
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:09.460
and I'm a pretty good parent. But 98% of the time,
792
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:11.359
and I was talking to Guz Khan about this when
793
00:33:11.380 --> 00:33:13.160
he came on to my podcast, and I kind of
794
00:33:13.220 --> 00:33:17.630
explained to him how I feel, just diffident and anxious
795
00:33:17.769 --> 00:33:20.910
and scared that maybe I should never have had children.
796
00:33:20.930 --> 00:33:22.670
I've just brought these people into the world so I
797
00:33:22.710 --> 00:33:27.529
can screw them up and extend... universal unhappiness a bit further.
798
00:33:27.589 --> 00:33:29.029
And Gus just looked at me and he was like,
799
00:33:29.289 --> 00:33:29.759
fuck it out.
800
00:33:29.789 --> 00:33:31.670
That is not.
801
00:33:32.339 --> 00:33:34.000
You should just chill out. He's like, well, if I
802
00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:35.220
get to the end of the day and they're all
803
00:33:35.259 --> 00:33:36.700
still alive, it's jobs are good.
804
00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:37.640
Yeah.
805
00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:40.390
Actually, that is the best way to look at it.
806
00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:43.859
And I'm making out like I'm in existential turmoil the
807
00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:44.220
whole time.
808
00:33:44.269 --> 00:33:44.609
I'm not.
809
00:33:44.619 --> 00:33:46.049
And there's many, many happy moments.
810
00:33:46.089 --> 00:33:46.609
And I love.
811
00:33:46.630 --> 00:33:47.930
I think you are a bit, aren't you, Adam?
812
00:33:47.990 --> 00:33:48.349
Yeah.
813
00:33:49.190 --> 00:33:52.990
I mean, definitely a fair bit, yeah. There are definitely
814
00:33:53.009 --> 00:33:55.910
a lot of moments where I do just think, oh,
815
00:33:55.930 --> 00:33:56.990
I'm not cut out for this.
816
00:33:57.250 --> 00:33:59.650
How did you cope when they were little then, Adam? Now, obviously,
817
00:33:59.670 --> 00:34:02.900
it's slightly different worries. You know, essentially, 19-year-olds are grown up.
818
00:34:03.319 --> 00:34:04.940
How did you deal with them when they were little
819
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:07.660
and they had a temperature and not well before they
820
00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:08.980
could communicate and stuff like that?
821
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:10.940
Was that difficult? No.
822
00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:13.099
Actually, it was easier when they could.
823
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:13.300
Fuck, fuck.
824
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:19.059
Before they could communicate... It was easier because it was
825
00:34:19.099 --> 00:34:21.840
very one way, you know, and you could indulge your
826
00:34:21.900 --> 00:34:25.409
fantasies of being a fun dad, which that was the
827
00:34:25.449 --> 00:34:28.250
thing for me. I was talked into having children. Basically,
828
00:34:28.269 --> 00:34:30.570
it was not something I ever imagined I would do.
829
00:34:30.590 --> 00:34:31.030
Yeah.
830
00:34:31.269 --> 00:34:34.449
My son now and a lot of his friends as well.
831
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:36.699
Very few of them want to have children. I don't
832
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:38.099
know if that's a generational thing.
833
00:34:38.409 --> 00:34:38.630
Yeah.
834
00:34:38.789 --> 00:34:40.929
But I was like that when I was younger. I
835
00:34:40.969 --> 00:34:42.960
just thought, no, where am I going to have children?
836
00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:47.059
That's clearly a terrible idea. Way too much work. And
837
00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:49.280
I'm not the kind of person that would probably do
838
00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:51.539
a good job of it. But then I met my
839
00:34:51.579 --> 00:34:55.760
beautiful wife. And in the euphoria of getting to know
840
00:34:55.840 --> 00:34:58.610
her and then getting married and just building this new
841
00:34:58.659 --> 00:35:02.309
life together, when she suggested having children, I just said, yeah,
842
00:35:02.769 --> 00:35:03.349
that'll be fun.
843
00:35:03.570 --> 00:35:04.010
Good job.
844
00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:07.750
And I understood, I swear to you, that we had
845
00:35:07.809 --> 00:35:11.389
had a conversation. And she said, don't worry, I'll do
846
00:35:11.429 --> 00:35:14.050
all the work. You carry on pissing about and doing
847
00:35:14.090 --> 00:35:17.769
whatever you do for your so-called career. I promise you,
848
00:35:17.789 --> 00:35:23.699
we had that conversation. She says we definitely did it. Anyway,
849
00:35:23.820 --> 00:35:27.719
so we had children. And for the first few years,
850
00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:31.019
it more or less worked out the way I imagined. Sure,
851
00:35:31.059 --> 00:35:34.889
it was definitely way more work than I expected. I
852
00:35:34.949 --> 00:35:40.949
was shocked by that feeling of permanent exhaustion and immediately
853
00:35:41.010 --> 00:35:45.150
started fantasizing about things that I used to do, like
854
00:35:45.269 --> 00:35:48.869
just sitting down for a while and doing nothing. I
855
00:35:48.889 --> 00:35:53.010
think I'm just going to sit down and watch TV
856
00:35:53.030 --> 00:35:55.210
for an hour or so. I might play a video
857
00:35:55.250 --> 00:35:57.690
game for a while. Now I'm just going to go out.
858
00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:00.760
And see a film on my own or all that
859
00:36:00.780 --> 00:36:02.599
sort of stuff. You suddenly think, oh, I can't do
860
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:05.039
that anymore. And it's quite a nasty shock. I hadn't
861
00:36:05.059 --> 00:36:05.980
really thought about it.
862
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:07.340
How old's your youngest?
863
00:36:07.739 --> 00:36:10.070
My youngest now is 13.
864
00:36:10.070 --> 00:36:11.969
So you're getting to that stage where in a couple
865
00:36:11.989 --> 00:36:13.969
of years, you know, she's not far off like getting
866
00:36:13.989 --> 00:36:16.730
a Saturday job or whatever. Like, do you find yourself
867
00:36:16.769 --> 00:36:18.449
twiddling your thumbs a bit on weekends or is it
868
00:36:18.489 --> 00:36:20.610
still busy with them taking them places?
869
00:36:20.789 --> 00:36:21.840
You're just a cab driver now.
870
00:36:22.260 --> 00:36:22.489
Yeah.
871
00:36:22.570 --> 00:36:25.579
Well, to be honest, my wife is the primary cab driver.
872
00:36:25.900 --> 00:36:26.079
Yeah.
873
00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:31.019
She has instilled in them a love of sport. That
874
00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:33.320
is not something that was ever a part of my
875
00:36:33.380 --> 00:36:35.199
life when I was growing up. In fact, me and
876
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:39.420
Joe kind of existed in opposition to the sporty people.
877
00:36:39.539 --> 00:36:42.760
They were our enemies. We were like the Eastheats going
878
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:46.489
off and seeing movies and listening to music and reading
879
00:36:46.570 --> 00:36:51.380
poetry to each other and playing Soaky Biscuit. But the
880
00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:54.679
sport guys, they were to be avoided at all costs. Mainly,
881
00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:57.239
it must be said, because we were shit at sport.
882
00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:00.000
And so we just didn't want anything to do with them.
883
00:37:00.059 --> 00:37:02.539
But my daughter is really good. In fact, all the
884
00:37:02.579 --> 00:37:04.900
boys are quite good, although they haven't really stuck with it.
885
00:37:05.530 --> 00:37:07.690
I say all the boys, the other two. But my
886
00:37:07.769 --> 00:37:11.610
daughter is great. So she plays everything like netball and
887
00:37:11.730 --> 00:37:15.480
hockey and cricket and basketball. All this stuff. And so
888
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:19.250
every weekend, it drives me slightly nuts, actually. She's off
889
00:37:19.289 --> 00:37:19.849
doing that.
890
00:37:20.150 --> 00:37:20.889
Do you go and watch?
891
00:37:21.210 --> 00:37:23.829
I watch sometimes, but not that often.
892
00:37:24.730 --> 00:37:26.949
Have you got into it? Because she's doing it.
893
00:37:26.989 --> 00:37:29.329
Or is it still, as much as you enjoy your
894
00:37:29.369 --> 00:37:31.030
daughter doing well and enjoying.
895
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:33.340
Herself, you're just like, I don't like this sport.
896
00:37:35.139 --> 00:37:43.940
It's mainly that, yeah. Especially cricket. Yeah. I mean, that
897
00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:47.559
is just the worst. Absolutely terrible stuff.
898
00:37:47.699 --> 00:37:51.599
Absolutely terrible stuff. A brutal way to describe.
899
00:37:51.900 --> 00:37:54.619
Also, as well, imagine if your daughter's waiting to go
900
00:37:54.679 --> 00:37:58.230
in bat. You're literally just watching strange children play while
901
00:37:58.250 --> 00:37:59.389
your daughter's on the sideline.
902
00:37:59.409 --> 00:38:00.769
She might not be on the pitch.
903
00:38:01.230 --> 00:38:05.289
Netball, however, amazing. Really good. I loved watching her play that.
904
00:38:05.469 --> 00:38:11.090
And she's fantastic. She's so much the opposite of what
905
00:38:11.269 --> 00:38:15.210
I was and am in so many ways. It's amazing.
906
00:38:15.269 --> 00:38:18.250
I mean, all the children have qualities that I really
907
00:38:18.630 --> 00:38:21.489
admire and envy, and it makes me happy whenever I
908
00:38:21.550 --> 00:38:23.949
see them being good at that sort of stuff. But
909
00:38:24.050 --> 00:38:28.650
she's amazing. She has self-control and, you know, we play
910
00:38:28.690 --> 00:38:32.400
video games and she'll say, OK, that's enough. I've got
911
00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:35.199
some work to do now. I'm like, who, where the
912
00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:39.719
hell did you come from? Because I'm like, come on,
913
00:38:39.739 --> 00:38:40.840
we can play one more.
914
00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:42.460
How much work have you got to do? You don't
915
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:43.460
have to do any work.
916
00:38:43.699 --> 00:38:46.659
Do me a favour. You're 13. Play some more video
917
00:38:46.699 --> 00:38:48.780
games with me. I want to play video games now.
918
00:38:49.380 --> 00:38:50.900
It's that sort of dynamic.
919
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:55.550
You live in Norfolk. I presume you lived in London originally.
920
00:38:55.610 --> 00:38:57.869
So did you move out because of the kids?
921
00:38:58.570 --> 00:39:02.929
Yeah. When we had... Our third child, our daughter. That
922
00:39:02.989 --> 00:39:07.429
was the deal. My wife morally blackmailed me. And she
923
00:39:07.489 --> 00:39:09.869
said at one point, like, I just thought, you know,
924
00:39:09.909 --> 00:39:12.269
I couldn't believe that we'd had two children. I was like, wow,
925
00:39:12.309 --> 00:39:14.570
look at us. We've got two children. This is ridiculous.
926
00:39:15.150 --> 00:39:16.829
And I thought, well, we're definitely going to stop there.
927
00:39:17.590 --> 00:39:19.769
And she said, no, no, I really want to have
928
00:39:19.789 --> 00:39:24.789
a third child. I was like, are you joking? Oh,
929
00:39:24.849 --> 00:39:29.170
my God. We were just coming through the tunnel. now
930
00:39:29.210 --> 00:39:31.650
you want to just plunge us right back in I
931
00:39:32.389 --> 00:39:35.110
said okay but if we do then let's move out
932
00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:37.739
of London because there's no point in being in London
933
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:40.719
we're not going out we don't see anyone we don't
934
00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:43.360
get to have any fun let's at least just go
935
00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:45.880
into the country so I can just have some space
936
00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:48.219
and you know, wander around the fields.
937
00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:49.980
Had you always wanted to live in the country?
938
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:51.900
Yeah, I think so. I grew up in the country,
939
00:39:51.940 --> 00:39:55.840
in Wales, and my dad always loved walking and being
940
00:39:55.860 --> 00:39:58.869
in the countryside, and it rubbed off on me. And also,
941
00:39:58.929 --> 00:40:01.210
I just like the idea of having a lot more space,
942
00:40:01.250 --> 00:40:04.760
you know. We live in a farmhouse now. that's surrounded
943
00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:07.480
by barns and I just like having these big spaces
944
00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:09.780
that I could fuck around in and hang up a
945
00:40:09.820 --> 00:40:13.280
big green screen and do video stuff and try things
946
00:40:13.409 --> 00:40:15.809
out you know get a drum kit things like that.
947
00:40:15.969 --> 00:40:17.590
Where was you in London then was you right in
948
00:40:17.630 --> 00:40:18.570
the center.
949
00:40:18.409 --> 00:40:21.150
Yeah we were in Stockwell all right yeah I grew
950
00:40:21.210 --> 00:40:23.469
up in South London so that I liked that part
951
00:40:23.489 --> 00:40:26.289
of the world But it was a long way from
952
00:40:26.349 --> 00:40:29.869
all the yummy mummies up in North London. That's where
953
00:40:30.210 --> 00:40:32.150
my wife would have preferred that we were.
954
00:40:32.530 --> 00:40:33.050
Oh, really?
955
00:40:33.349 --> 00:40:35.010
So did she not want to move out then? Was
956
00:40:35.030 --> 00:40:35.610
that more you?
957
00:40:35.909 --> 00:40:37.909
No, she was cool with moving out because we ended
958
00:40:37.969 --> 00:40:40.880
up moving quite close to where she grew up in Norfolk.
959
00:40:41.219 --> 00:40:43.159
She's from this part of the world. That's why we
960
00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:45.969
ended up here. So we were close to her folks
961
00:40:46.070 --> 00:40:47.190
and it made sense.
962
00:40:47.210 --> 00:40:48.570
Does Joe Cornish got kids?
963
00:40:48.909 --> 00:40:50.690
He does. He's got a daughter now.
964
00:40:50.750 --> 00:40:52.969
Because he's obviously one of your best friends. It's weird
965
00:40:52.989 --> 00:40:55.260
when your friends don't have kids at the same time.
966
00:40:55.429 --> 00:40:57.420
So it's a bit of an age gap between your kids.
967
00:40:57.679 --> 00:41:00.940
Yeah, massive age gap. His daughter is only just about two.
968
00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:01.960
Oh, wow.
969
00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:04.420
So it's so weird when your friends are going through
970
00:41:04.460 --> 00:41:05.639
different things to you.
971
00:41:06.179 --> 00:41:07.039
Yeah, it is odd.
972
00:41:07.460 --> 00:41:09.800
Although it's nice. It's nice to see the effect that
973
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:12.300
it's having on him, you know, because it can't help
974
00:41:12.420 --> 00:41:14.820
but take some of the edges off a person, don't
975
00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:15.219
you reckon?
976
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:19.579
Yeah. So you're just a sack of a man.
977
00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:22.420
A ball sack of a man.
978
00:41:23.860 --> 00:41:27.219
That must be mad watching someone start, so your daughter
979
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:28.519
would have been 11 or whatever at that point, and
980
00:41:28.539 --> 00:41:31.659
you're watching someone go from the moment of having a baby.
981
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:33.800
Do you even relate to that now? Do you know
982
00:41:33.820 --> 00:41:35.070
what I mean? Does it feel like a completely different
983
00:41:35.110 --> 00:41:35.739
part of your life?
984
00:41:36.510 --> 00:41:39.909
I suppose it feels a little bit like having grandchildren. Yeah.
985
00:41:41.550 --> 00:41:45.420
enough time has gone by that i forget the worst
986
00:41:45.539 --> 00:41:48.579
aspects of having children that age and i just think
987
00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:53.360
oh sweet but nothing about it personally makes me want
988
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:55.639
to go back and have more for my wife i
989
00:41:55.760 --> 00:41:58.489
think she sees that sort of stuff and she goes
990
00:41:58.610 --> 00:42:00.670
oh i wish we could have one more yeah fine
991
00:42:00.690 --> 00:42:03.760
uh I don't think so.
992
00:42:03.940 --> 00:42:05.719
I don't really enjoy the baby stage. I like it
993
00:42:05.739 --> 00:42:08.280
when they're sort of toddling around 18 months. But that
994
00:42:08.340 --> 00:42:10.460
first zero to 18 months, I don't look back with
995
00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:11.980
any nostalgia, really.
996
00:42:12.019 --> 00:42:12.440
It's tough.
997
00:42:12.860 --> 00:42:17.510
No. The very first few weeks, I remember that being magical,
998
00:42:17.670 --> 00:42:23.610
like dreamlike and wonderful. But then when the reality kicks in,
999
00:42:23.789 --> 00:42:27.030
especially when they get ill, like our first son had
1000
00:42:27.389 --> 00:42:30.349
quite a lot of health problems when he was younger. Yeah. Also,
1001
00:42:30.389 --> 00:42:33.019
I was away for about 10 weeks. Me and Joe
1002
00:42:33.039 --> 00:42:35.980
went to Japan to do a TV show for BBC
1003
00:42:36.019 --> 00:42:38.340
Three out there. And my wife had to deal with
1004
00:42:38.380 --> 00:42:41.050
all this stuff on her own. And I felt really
1005
00:42:41.139 --> 00:42:44.949
bad and worried. because he was in and out of hospital.
1006
00:42:45.250 --> 00:42:47.750
It was just grim, that part of it.
1007
00:42:47.929 --> 00:42:48.329
Yeah.
1008
00:42:48.630 --> 00:42:51.530
Even before he started getting ill, it was like, you're
1009
00:42:51.550 --> 00:42:53.920
just trying to keep them alive and you're just, your
1010
00:42:53.980 --> 00:42:58.280
brain is cycling through all these catastrophic scenarios, like, you know,
1011
00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:00.559
carrying him down the stairs in my arms. And I'm thinking,
1012
00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:03.380
I might trip any second. And if I trip, I'll
1013
00:43:03.500 --> 00:43:07.469
tumble down the stairs and I'll completely break this child.
1014
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:10.190
Oh, that's what goes through my mind completely. That is
1015
00:43:10.309 --> 00:43:11.570
exactly my inner monologue.
1016
00:43:11.929 --> 00:43:14.369
It's awful. And you just scroll through the rest of
1017
00:43:14.409 --> 00:43:18.679
your life after that had happened. And it's just appalling.
1018
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:21.420
I mean, I think it's the mind's kind of self-defense
1019
00:43:21.500 --> 00:43:24.900
mechanism of just keeping you on your toes, reminding you
1020
00:43:24.940 --> 00:43:26.880
of all the terrible things that could happen if you're
1021
00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:30.440
not careful, you know. But it is so exhausting and
1022
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:34.119
scary and unpleasant. So, yeah, when they start getting a
1023
00:43:34.139 --> 00:43:38.780
little more robust and then, miraculously, when they start communicating
1024
00:43:38.840 --> 00:43:40.019
with you, then it gets a.
1025
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:41.460
Lot more fun.
1026
00:43:41.500 --> 00:43:41.739
Yeah.
1027
00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:44.619
I think we're needy and need feedback. That's why this
1028
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:45.420
is our job.
1029
00:43:45.579 --> 00:43:48.500
Yeah, it's three people that thrive on interaction, I suppose,
1030
00:43:48.539 --> 00:43:49.139
to an extent.
1031
00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:51.480
Yeah, well, maybe that's men as well, though, isn't it?
1032
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:53.820
It's a weird thing for... I mean, I don't want
1033
00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:56.059
to generalise too much, and I'm sure there's a lot
1034
00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:57.059
more to it than this, but.
1035
00:43:57.340 --> 00:43:59.530
Just generalise away. I just accused you and all your
1036
00:43:59.570 --> 00:44:00.659
mates of wanking on biscuits.
1037
00:44:02.099 --> 00:44:04.949
No, but there's got to be some fundamental things going
1038
00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:09.269
on between men and women and the difference that it
1039
00:44:09.349 --> 00:44:13.349
makes if you're a woman and you've given birth to something,
1040
00:44:13.789 --> 00:44:16.889
the difference that that makes to your whole philosophy. You
1041
00:44:16.909 --> 00:44:18.989
know what I mean? Like for a man to never
1042
00:44:19.050 --> 00:44:22.940
be able to have that experience. I just think it's
1043
00:44:23.099 --> 00:44:25.099
got to be part of the reason why so many
1044
00:44:25.179 --> 00:44:30.650
men are fixated on their careers and with some spurious
1045
00:44:30.730 --> 00:44:35.320
notion of a legacy and being remembered and all this
1046
00:44:35.380 --> 00:44:36.159
kind of bullshit.
1047
00:44:36.260 --> 00:44:37.980
Legacy is the biggest shit of all time.
1048
00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:39.739
What's the point of working towards something that you'll never
1049
00:44:39.780 --> 00:44:40.440
be there for?
1050
00:44:40.780 --> 00:44:45.519
Well, exactly, exactly. And far more valuable is bringing a
1051
00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:48.159
life into the world and giving it a good start
1052
00:44:48.360 --> 00:44:51.760
and turning that person into someone who enjoys being alive
1053
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:53.659
and makes the world better for other people as well,
1054
00:44:53.699 --> 00:44:53.960
you know.
1055
00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:56.739
And it's a physical, hormonal, actual thing when, you know,
1056
00:44:56.860 --> 00:44:58.780
a lady has a baby or has a bloke. It's
1057
00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:00.840
sort of you're there while it's happening, but it's not
1058
00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:02.719
your body. You know, it's not coming out of you.
1059
00:45:03.059 --> 00:45:07.639
No, exactly. Unless you're Arnold Schwarzenegger in that documentary.
1060
00:45:09.019 --> 00:45:09.219
Yeah.
1061
00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:10.320
Right.
1062
00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:11.579
I think it's really underrated.
1063
00:45:12.809 --> 00:45:16.170
How are you with teenagers and talking to them? Because
1064
00:45:16.190 --> 00:45:19.769
you're very open and you're very kind of honest about
1065
00:45:19.809 --> 00:45:22.429
how you're feeling. Do you manage to communicate to your
1066
00:45:22.469 --> 00:45:25.199
teenagers in that way? Like obviously all the things that
1067
00:45:25.219 --> 00:45:28.320
teenagers go through, relationships or having to chat to them
1068
00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:31.159
about drugs or whatever. How are you with stuff like that?
1069
00:45:31.730 --> 00:45:33.869
I'm very happy to talk to them about it. But again,
1070
00:45:33.909 --> 00:45:36.909
you know, the worry is there's always a worry. And
1071
00:45:36.949 --> 00:45:40.030
the worry is that you don't want to go too far.
1072
00:45:40.449 --> 00:45:43.650
I was saying before about what my son thinks of me.
1073
00:45:43.690 --> 00:45:46.570
You know, we get on great and we have a
1074
00:45:46.610 --> 00:45:48.809
lovely time. We went to see a band the other day.
1075
00:45:48.869 --> 00:45:52.719
We saw Johnny Greenwood's new band, The Smile in London.
1076
00:45:52.940 --> 00:45:54.559
And then I bet you could introduce him to Johnny
1077
00:45:54.579 --> 00:45:56.900
Greenwood as well, which must be big points, right?
1078
00:45:57.340 --> 00:46:00.730
Yeah, it's exciting to be able to show him that
1079
00:46:00.909 --> 00:46:04.590
life and reap the rewards of my career such as
1080
00:46:04.630 --> 00:46:07.590
it is. And we had such a great evening and
1081
00:46:07.610 --> 00:46:10.510
it was like, wow, this is exactly what I imagined
1082
00:46:10.989 --> 00:46:13.809
like the best of being a dad would be, you know,
1083
00:46:13.909 --> 00:46:17.230
to share these kinds of enthusiasms and good times with
1084
00:46:17.409 --> 00:46:20.769
with my son. But the whole thing of being your
1085
00:46:20.829 --> 00:46:23.829
son's best friend is a weird thing. Like with my dad,
1086
00:46:24.130 --> 00:46:26.869
it was not that at all. It was like, well,
1087
00:46:26.889 --> 00:46:29.219
you don't want to be best friends with your children
1088
00:46:29.260 --> 00:46:33.039
because there's all sorts of drawbacks. It's much harder to
1089
00:46:33.579 --> 00:46:37.300
create boundaries. It's much harder for them to establish a
1090
00:46:37.340 --> 00:46:41.519
sense of independence. It's quite useful sometimes. Whether you love
1091
00:46:41.559 --> 00:46:43.519
your parents or not, you go through a stage of
1092
00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:47.460
pushing against them and thinking that they're twats and wanting
1093
00:46:47.500 --> 00:46:49.219
to be on your own and wanting to do the
1094
00:46:49.260 --> 00:46:51.900
opposite of what they want to do, you know. But
1095
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:55.070
it is heartbreaking as a parent if you do want
1096
00:46:55.530 --> 00:46:57.710
your children close to you, to see them do that,
1097
00:46:57.730 --> 00:46:58.789
to see them pull away.
1098
00:46:59.210 --> 00:47:00.610
I just can see my future.
1099
00:47:00.730 --> 00:47:02.409
He's drawing you into the worry womb.
1100
00:47:02.750 --> 00:47:05.250
So many of the things just go, I'm just like, oh, yeah,
1101
00:47:05.269 --> 00:47:07.469
I've lived that. I've lived that. That's my head. That's
1102
00:47:07.510 --> 00:47:09.789
my head. That's exactly what I go through. And then
1103
00:47:09.849 --> 00:47:11.190
I'm like, oh, and this is going to be the
1104
00:47:11.230 --> 00:47:11.929
teenage years.
1105
00:47:12.269 --> 00:47:14.469
You two shouldn't meet up without me or Ghaz Khan.
1106
00:47:14.489 --> 00:47:18.280
LAUGHTER At no point should you and probably me and
1107
00:47:18.300 --> 00:47:19.519
Gus Kahn shouldn't be left alone.
1108
00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:21.800
Between us, we can get a right level of how
1109
00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:22.820
we should be feeling.
1110
00:47:23.550 --> 00:47:25.829
That's for me. The primary worry is I don't want
1111
00:47:25.849 --> 00:47:30.869
to infect them with my overthinking bullshit. But at the
1112
00:47:30.929 --> 00:47:33.530
same time, what I do want to do is do
1113
00:47:33.550 --> 00:47:35.510
the things that my parents were never able to do
1114
00:47:35.550 --> 00:47:38.469
for me. So to talk to them straight about things
1115
00:47:38.510 --> 00:47:42.570
that really are important and to give them. a sense
1116
00:47:42.610 --> 00:47:44.489
that they can talk to me about all this stuff
1117
00:47:44.550 --> 00:47:47.210
rather than hide away. Like there was no way I
1118
00:47:47.250 --> 00:47:49.710
was ever going to talk to my parents about sex
1119
00:47:50.510 --> 00:47:53.510
or drugs or anything like that. I was like, no,
1120
00:47:53.530 --> 00:47:55.929
that's too embarrassing. And I just want to keep that
1121
00:47:55.989 --> 00:47:57.800
stuff to myself. And I want to go off and
1122
00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:00.920
be furtive and creep around and keep all of that
1123
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:01.960
stuff secret.
1124
00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:03.760
Have you had to do any telling offs for your
1125
00:48:03.780 --> 00:48:06.869
teenage boy, especially the older teenagers coming in like drunk
1126
00:48:07.010 --> 00:48:09.869
or things like that or spending money or not paying
1127
00:48:09.909 --> 00:48:10.230
you back?
1128
00:48:10.250 --> 00:48:12.150
Has there been any big moments where you've had to
1129
00:48:12.489 --> 00:48:13.150
lay down the law?
1130
00:48:13.780 --> 00:48:18.300
There's been nothing totally catastrophic because I think most of
1131
00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:20.840
the time when they're in those situations, they know they
1132
00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:25.619
fucked up. And actually us being angry with them is
1133
00:48:25.699 --> 00:48:29.260
not what's needed. It's usually like, oh, man, you know,
1134
00:48:29.300 --> 00:48:32.780
because you feel bad for them. So you say, OK, well,
1135
00:48:33.219 --> 00:48:36.409
never mind. Don't do that again. You know, things went wrong,
1136
00:48:36.469 --> 00:48:37.969
not because they were malicious.
1137
00:48:38.329 --> 00:48:38.730
Yes.
1138
00:48:38.929 --> 00:48:42.690
But the times you get really upset and angry are
1139
00:48:43.030 --> 00:48:45.690
if you think that they've been unkind to someone else.
1140
00:48:46.090 --> 00:48:46.269
Yeah.
1141
00:48:46.349 --> 00:48:48.190
If you think that they've been one of those people
1142
00:48:48.250 --> 00:48:53.210
who were bullyish or just unkind or, you know, thoughtless
1143
00:48:53.230 --> 00:48:53.650
or whatever.
1144
00:48:53.929 --> 00:48:56.449
Faye Ripley's daughter ran up a bill of like, Was
1145
00:48:56.510 --> 00:48:58.550
it £ 1, 000 on Uber? £ 2, 000, yeah. Because she was.
1146
00:48:58.510 --> 00:49:00.170
Just getting Ubers to.
1147
00:49:00.150 --> 00:49:02.599
School and secretly did it, and then they got the bill,
1148
00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:04.940
and then Faye said, no, you can't go on holiday
1149
00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:07.599
with your friend now. She was like 16, 17, because
1150
00:49:07.820 --> 00:49:09.699
you need to pay that money back. So she cancelled
1151
00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:11.659
the holiday of her mate in like a month's time.
1152
00:49:11.960 --> 00:49:12.159
Whoa.
1153
00:49:12.179 --> 00:49:14.289
Which is like a big move that needed to be done,
1154
00:49:14.369 --> 00:49:16.590
I think. Obviously, you don't want to rub their nose
1155
00:49:16.610 --> 00:49:18.699
in it if they've done something bad, but you know
1156
00:49:18.719 --> 00:49:21.940
repercussions as it were community work kind of.
1157
00:49:21.860 --> 00:49:24.989
Stuff there's never been anything so catastrophic that it's had
1158
00:49:25.010 --> 00:49:26.809
to come to that i'm glad to say.
1159
00:49:26.750 --> 00:49:28.570
So you're implying basically you're a better parent than faye
1160
00:49:28.590 --> 00:49:29.409
ripley which i think i.
1161
00:49:29.349 --> 00:49:32.449
Agree on no no i think faye ripley's a good
1162
00:49:32.489 --> 00:49:35.559
parent i think that that to me that's the she's
1163
00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:39.519
doing the boundary setting that i'm probably too weak to
1164
00:49:39.579 --> 00:49:42.880
do um i don't know no i feel as if
1165
00:49:42.940 --> 00:49:45.019
i would i'd lay down the law i'd send them
1166
00:49:45.059 --> 00:49:46.900
to prison i'd you know i'd beat the shit out
1167
00:49:46.940 --> 00:49:50.210
of them if they did something really bad obviously.
1168
00:49:49.849 --> 00:49:51.550
Tie him up to a barn for the night just
1169
00:49:51.590 --> 00:49:53.769
so they know know who's boss Oh.
1170
00:49:53.670 --> 00:49:57.789
Man, it's much more like rudeness and things like that,
1171
00:49:57.829 --> 00:50:00.150
that I get really upset about, you know, it's just
1172
00:50:00.170 --> 00:50:05.000
sort of interpersonal skills. If they're not willing to look
1173
00:50:05.039 --> 00:50:07.639
me in the eye or give me a straight answer,
1174
00:50:07.659 --> 00:50:10.159
or if they're just sort of grumpy with me for
1175
00:50:10.219 --> 00:50:13.239
no particular reason that I can discern, that's when I
1176
00:50:13.300 --> 00:50:18.130
turn into a massive asshole and start saying, go to
1177
00:50:18.150 --> 00:50:20.750
your room and not anymore, but that's, that's what it
1178
00:50:20.809 --> 00:50:22.610
used to be like when they were younger. I was
1179
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:25.449
just thinking about the things that used to be dangerous
1180
00:50:25.510 --> 00:50:29.929
as far as running up bills were apps that they're
1181
00:50:29.969 --> 00:50:32.550
free apps. But then it's like, do you want to
1182
00:50:32.630 --> 00:50:35.210
buy a sword for six quid and all this?
1183
00:50:35.309 --> 00:50:35.829
Gems.
1184
00:50:36.130 --> 00:50:36.690
Gems.
1185
00:50:36.750 --> 00:50:37.170
There you go.
1186
00:50:37.289 --> 00:50:40.989
Swords and gems. And actually, not my children, but one
1187
00:50:41.030 --> 00:50:44.369
of my best friends, his kid. He was using his
1188
00:50:44.469 --> 00:50:47.789
phone or something and basically was able to rack up
1189
00:50:48.389 --> 00:50:53.590
a sword and gems bill of £ 1, 600. Oh, my God.
1190
00:50:53.929 --> 00:50:55.690
Oh, my God.
1191
00:50:55.929 --> 00:50:56.570
Get out.
1192
00:50:56.829 --> 00:50:57.219
Yeah.
1193
00:50:57.760 --> 00:50:58.610
So many gems.
1194
00:50:59.019 --> 00:51:01.280
They didn't freak out because obviously it was clear that
1195
00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:04.400
the kid didn't know what was going on. And also
1196
00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:08.219
we both knew that the joy that this child must
1197
00:51:08.260 --> 00:51:10.059
have felt when it was like, oh, my God, I'm
1198
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:11.579
just getting all this stuff for free.
1199
00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:12.099
This is great.
1200
00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:16.639
I can unlock anything. This is crazy. It must have
1201
00:51:16.659 --> 00:51:23.679
been the most intensely brilliant feeling until they realised, like, oh, shit,
1202
00:51:23.780 --> 00:51:27.570
this is real money. And that feeling must have been
1203
00:51:28.110 --> 00:51:31.070
equally and oppositely appalling.
1204
00:51:31.449 --> 00:51:32.349
Oh, my God.
1205
00:51:32.389 --> 00:51:35.329
So did the kid realise themselves and tell the dad?
1206
00:51:35.590 --> 00:51:35.789
Yeah.
1207
00:51:36.090 --> 00:51:37.929
And they came in and they were crying.
1208
00:51:38.670 --> 00:51:39.510
Oh, no.
1209
00:51:40.250 --> 00:51:42.239
They just thought, this is it. It's all over now.
1210
00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:44.860
I'm going to be killed. Oh, God.
1211
00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:47.159
That is absolutely brutal.
1212
00:51:47.179 --> 00:51:48.960
Oh, I'd hate that. That would be the worst feeling,
1213
00:51:48.980 --> 00:51:50.480
especially because the kid's so oblivious.
1214
00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:50.900
Yeah.
1215
00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:54.239
I think they were able to not pay the bill
1216
00:51:54.260 --> 00:51:56.079
or at least pay a much smaller bill. I think
1217
00:51:56.500 --> 00:51:57.699
they were able to get in touch.
1218
00:51:57.820 --> 00:52:01.730
No one's ever needed £ 1, 600 worth of gems. Do you
1219
00:52:01.789 --> 00:52:02.309
know what I mean?
1220
00:52:02.510 --> 00:52:03.449
Except Donald Trump.
1221
00:52:03.630 --> 00:52:06.349
It's like ordering, like, 2,000 bananas.
1222
00:52:06.630 --> 00:52:11.610
You know I didn't order them. I meant to put 20.
1223
00:52:12.150 --> 00:52:14.530
Exactly. You're supposed to get a call at that point
1224
00:52:14.590 --> 00:52:15.940
from the lord of the kingdom.
1225
00:52:16.340 --> 00:52:16.579
Yeah.
1226
00:52:17.199 --> 00:52:22.139
Suspicious activity of your gem purchasing. Welcome, kingdom dweller. However,
1227
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we couldn't help noticing you appear to have purchased more
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gems and swords than the ruler of this empire.
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00:52:29.489 --> 00:52:31.329
Did you mean to purchase them and do you have
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00:52:31.409 --> 00:52:34.329
the permission of your parents to do so?
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00:52:34.550 --> 00:52:36.929
How are you with phones? That's another thing which I
1232
00:52:36.969 --> 00:52:40.250
find like utterly terrifying, like phones and social media.
1233
00:52:40.889 --> 00:52:43.630
Oh man, I was watching something on BBC3 last night.
1234
00:52:43.670 --> 00:52:45.190
Did you see that show about Instagram?
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No.
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00:52:46.010 --> 00:52:49.469
Oh my God. I mean, it is a total nightmare.
1237
00:52:49.769 --> 00:52:52.250
The thing is, as I was watching it, I was
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00:52:52.329 --> 00:52:56.289
thinking like... I do think the narrative about social media
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00:52:56.409 --> 00:52:59.269
is a little skewed in some ways. I do think
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00:52:59.309 --> 00:53:03.420
that there are positives and that it can be helpful
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00:53:03.860 --> 00:53:07.900
for certain people and certain marginalized groups. And maybe it's
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00:53:07.980 --> 00:53:11.780
even positive for forming certain friendships and things like that.
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00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:16.150
But it is impossible to ignore how horrific so much
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00:53:16.190 --> 00:53:18.449
of it is. And watching this show last night made
1245
00:53:18.489 --> 00:53:23.179
me so angry. These kind of poor people who had
1246
00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:28.150
been sucked into this bullshit on Instagram, who were changing
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00:53:28.369 --> 00:53:32.110
and damaging their bodies in order to live up to
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00:53:32.289 --> 00:53:35.530
the expectations of what they thought everyone else was getting
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00:53:35.570 --> 00:53:36.030
involved with.
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00:53:36.150 --> 00:53:38.309
Oh, the Instagram effect. Is that what it's called?
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00:53:38.530 --> 00:53:39.730
I think that's what it was. I didn't watch the
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00:53:39.750 --> 00:53:42.230
whole thing. And, you know, it was this woman who'd
1253
00:53:42.309 --> 00:53:47.460
had surgery to enlarge her arse. They'd done liposuction on
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00:53:47.539 --> 00:53:50.449
her tummy and stuck it into her bum because she
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00:53:50.530 --> 00:53:53.289
thought that. or the big wiggly bum was the thing
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00:53:53.329 --> 00:53:55.469
to have on Instagram. And she thought that would boost
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00:53:55.590 --> 00:53:59.840
her numbers. And then, and her logic was big bums
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00:53:59.900 --> 00:54:02.760
are in. So I'm going to get big bum surgery
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00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:05.960
and then I'll get better numbers. And then that will
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00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:09.300
make me a more successful influencer. And then when I
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00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:12.340
have children, I'll be able to take care of them better.
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00:54:12.659 --> 00:54:15.730
And I just thought, no disrespect, but I've spotted a
1263
00:54:15.769 --> 00:54:19.650
number of flaws in your logic stream. And yeah, The
1264
00:54:19.730 --> 00:54:23.929
first flaw for her, sadly, was that her surgery was
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00:54:24.030 --> 00:54:26.650
a total nightmare and didn't work out well for her
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00:54:26.690 --> 00:54:29.050
at all. She had all sorts of health related issues.
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00:54:29.670 --> 00:54:32.730
And all of this stuff is juxtaposed with these interviews
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00:54:32.750 --> 00:54:36.510
with these fucking guys, these sort of hipsters from California
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00:54:37.030 --> 00:54:40.460
who developed all this software and all the algorithms that
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00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:44.019
make it incredibly addictive. And they've all got their absolutely perfect,
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00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:47.489
neat little haircuts and To do them credit, they were
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00:54:47.530 --> 00:54:50.260
sort of saying, yeah, we didn't think hard enough about
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00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:53.659
how this was going to pan out for actual real users.
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00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:54.039
Yeah.
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00:54:54.320 --> 00:54:56.949
Who maybe didn't have the kind of upbringing that we
1276
00:54:57.030 --> 00:55:01.440
did or... you know, different pressures. So they're thinking about
1277
00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:04.019
it now, but then none of them thought about it
1278
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:06.380
at the time. All they were thinking about was like,
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00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:08.920
this is great. This is going to make our application
1280
00:55:09.079 --> 00:55:12.820
way more addictive, which is going to be great for
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00:55:12.840 --> 00:55:15.800
the business. And I'm going to get promoted. And this
1282
00:55:15.860 --> 00:55:20.039
is exciting. We've developed some crazy new algorithms that are
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00:55:20.059 --> 00:55:23.280
going to be totally irresistible. And aren't we geniuses? So
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00:55:23.300 --> 00:55:25.780
it was a total picture of hell.
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00:55:25.860 --> 00:55:26.119
God.
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00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:29.139
And I thought, oh my God, you know, my daughter
1287
00:55:29.219 --> 00:55:33.730
is playing with this stuff. She's upstairs scrolling through Instagram now, probably.
1288
00:55:33.829 --> 00:55:36.840
TikTok's so addictive. Is it? Does she got TikTok?
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00:55:37.179 --> 00:55:38.320
Yeah, she's got TikTok.
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00:55:38.420 --> 00:55:41.239
That is really addictive because it's... Basically, Instagram is sort
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00:55:41.260 --> 00:55:43.300
of like you follow people and you see what's going on.
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00:55:43.400 --> 00:55:46.260
And after a while, they're annoying me. Fuck this.
1293
00:55:46.579 --> 00:55:48.739
But what the For You page does on TikTok, it
1294
00:55:48.820 --> 00:55:51.039
creates an algorithm for you. So you're not even picking
1295
00:55:51.059 --> 00:55:53.300
what you're looking at. It just keeps churning it out.
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00:55:53.340 --> 00:55:56.119
And you feel like a foie gras goose that's been
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filled up.
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00:55:57.889 --> 00:55:58.429
Oh, God.
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00:55:58.489 --> 00:56:00.389
And then I just cannot cope with anything that's longer
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than about 25 seconds.
1301
00:56:01.530 --> 00:56:02.949
I had to delete it from my phone for a bit.
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Yeah.
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My boys actually are not fussed about social media at all.
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00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:10.639
So for some reason, that's bypassed them and they're happy
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00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:14.449
without it. But yes, I do worry about my daughter,
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00:56:14.570 --> 00:56:17.070
even though she's very smart and she's too young to
1307
00:56:17.190 --> 00:56:20.230
have a presence on there herself. So she's mainly just
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00:56:20.590 --> 00:56:24.380
looking at other stuff. That's on my to-do list for today, actually.
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00:56:24.860 --> 00:56:26.760
Sit down with her and say, I was watching this
1310
00:56:26.820 --> 00:56:29.019
program last night and it tweaked a lot of my
1311
00:56:29.099 --> 00:56:31.320
deepest fears about being a shit parent.
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00:56:31.409 --> 00:56:31.610
So.
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Can we have this conversation again? Because we have had
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it before. Oh, God.
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00:56:37.659 --> 00:56:39.360
So will you be sitting her down this afternoon when
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she gets home from school for that chat then?
1317
00:56:41.300 --> 00:56:44.579
Yeah, man, definitely. Just to check in. Because, I mean,
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I do trust her and I do think she's fine.
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00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:48.980
But then I'm sure that's what the parents of all
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00:56:49.019 --> 00:56:51.960
these other children who've fallen foul of it thought. You know,
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00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:55.670
you just think you'll be all right. But then you
1322
00:56:55.730 --> 00:56:57.929
don't know what's going on in the head of her.
1323
00:56:58.579 --> 00:57:01.159
child and you don't know what things are worrying them
1324
00:57:01.199 --> 00:57:04.019
you know I used to be really excited about showing
1325
00:57:04.300 --> 00:57:06.440
all my favorite films to my children that was one
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00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:08.900
of the main fantasies I had about being a parent
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00:57:09.400 --> 00:57:12.760
and I definitely showed them a few things that they
1328
00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:18.289
were too young to see well I think we watched
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00:57:18.389 --> 00:57:21.969
I mean nothing terrible What was the worst one? I mean,
1330
00:57:22.010 --> 00:57:24.650
we probably watched Alien a little bit too young, but
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00:57:24.809 --> 00:57:28.239
even so, you know, 13, 14 perhaps?
1332
00:57:28.659 --> 00:57:31.800
That's quite a scene to see, isn't it? 13 or 14,
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00:57:31.780 --> 00:57:32.679
the John Hurt scene.
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00:57:33.019 --> 00:57:38.039
Yeah, even though for modern viewers, when the actual alien
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00:57:38.079 --> 00:57:40.300
pops out, it's really not that frightening.
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No spoilers, I've not seen it.
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00:57:42.860 --> 00:57:43.610
Oh, it's good, man.
1338
00:57:43.650 --> 00:57:44.710
Have you really not seen Alien?
1339
00:57:44.809 --> 00:57:45.429
No, I'm joking.
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00:57:45.449 --> 00:57:45.730
No.
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00:57:46.530 --> 00:57:49.639
But the films that actually ended up traumatising them were
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the ones that I thought were going to be totally fine.
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00:57:51.900 --> 00:57:55.820
You know, things like Labyrinth, actually, with Bowie. They couldn't
1344
00:57:55.860 --> 00:57:58.420
even make it through that. They found that totally terrifying,
1345
00:57:58.860 --> 00:58:01.539
but they were a little too young. Gremlins, that was
1346
00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:03.059
fairly scary, I think.
1347
00:58:03.320 --> 00:58:03.519
Yeah.
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00:58:03.699 --> 00:58:06.139
Bits of Zathura, which they really liked.
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00:58:06.360 --> 00:58:08.880
When you feel you're showing your kids something that you loved,
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00:58:08.980 --> 00:58:10.579
I'd feel a pressure on that. You know, like when
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00:58:10.599 --> 00:58:13.800
you're showing a friend a YouTube video or something, and...
1352
00:58:14.269 --> 00:58:15.909
suddenly I can see all the problems with it. I
1353
00:58:15.949 --> 00:58:17.869
can see suddenly the moment I'm showing it to a
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00:58:17.909 --> 00:58:20.329
friend and saying, this is funny. It feels like the
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00:58:20.389 --> 00:58:22.989
unfunniest thing in the world to me. And I get
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00:58:23.130 --> 00:58:26.030
kind of neurotic about it. The thought of sitting down
1357
00:58:26.070 --> 00:58:29.059
my children and going, this means a lot to me.
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00:58:29.079 --> 00:58:30.340
I want you to enjoy it.
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00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:31.440
Yeah.
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00:58:31.739 --> 00:58:34.139
I can't imagine that plays into your personality type.
1361
00:58:34.659 --> 00:58:37.000
No, it's a lot of pressure. And I did have
1362
00:58:37.039 --> 00:58:40.469
to get beyond that feeling of, slight resentment when they
1363
00:58:40.489 --> 00:58:42.309
didn't connect with it the way that i did you
1364
00:58:42.369 --> 00:58:46.059
know i sat my daughter down and we watched what
1365
00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:48.159
did we watch there was something we watched that i
1366
00:58:48.380 --> 00:58:51.760
thought you are gonna absolutely love this i think it
1367
00:58:51.780 --> 00:58:55.099
was ferris bueller's day off and i sat down one
1368
00:58:55.139 --> 00:58:56.969
afternoon with her and i was ready for it to
1369
00:58:57.010 --> 00:59:00.469
be like this incredible bonding exercise and she was like
1370
00:59:00.469 --> 00:59:02.469
yeah it was fine But she just didn't get it.
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00:59:02.469 --> 00:59:04.550
And i and then i thinking about it i thought
1372
00:59:04.590 --> 00:59:07.239
of course she didn't immediately love it because it's so
1373
00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:09.800
so much of it is of its time it's quite
1374
00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:14.780
dated in all sorts of ways they need something contemporary
1375
00:59:14.820 --> 00:59:16.579
i think to get really excited about.
1376
00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:18.460
As she sat you down or he your boy sat
1377
00:59:18.480 --> 00:59:19.679
you down to watch something that.
1378
00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:22.380
They love yeah we were actually in the lockdown my
1379
00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:28.530
um 17 year old said let's watch eric andre's bad trip.
1380
00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:31.469
What is that?
1381
00:59:31.730 --> 00:59:33.630
And we were like, do you know that film?
1382
00:59:33.670 --> 00:59:35.469
No, I've not seen Eric Andre's Bad Trip.
1383
00:59:36.690 --> 00:59:37.150
Oh, man.
1384
00:59:37.469 --> 00:59:39.989
Do you know who Eric Andre is? No. He's an
1385
00:59:40.010 --> 00:59:41.239
American comedian.
1386
00:59:41.260 --> 00:59:42.760
Oh, I recognise him now.
1387
00:59:42.980 --> 00:59:45.000
He does this thing called The Eric Andre Show, which
1388
00:59:45.059 --> 00:59:47.179
is this sort of insane, it's a bit like Vic
1389
00:59:47.239 --> 00:59:47.699
and Bob.
1390
00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:48.360
Yeah.
1391
00:59:48.500 --> 00:59:50.820
Plus meets Jackass or something, you know.
1392
00:59:51.139 --> 00:59:51.619
Sounds good.
1393
00:59:51.940 --> 00:59:54.690
And it's on Adult Swim. It's really good. And he's
1394
00:59:54.730 --> 00:59:56.750
a really, really funny guy. But a lot of his
1395
00:59:56.829 --> 00:59:59.650
stuff is quite extreme, pranky stuff.
1396
01:00:00.070 --> 01:00:00.349
Right.
1397
01:00:00.650 --> 01:00:02.769
Not in a cruel way. All the jokes are always
1398
01:00:02.829 --> 01:00:06.380
on himself. He's very good. But Eric Andre's Bad Trip
1399
01:00:06.420 --> 01:00:10.679
is like a feature-length, pranky movie. And we all sat
1400
01:00:10.719 --> 01:00:12.320
down to watch this as a family.
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01:00:12.340 --> 01:00:12.920
Yeah.
1402
01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:17.380
And there's one scene where they go to the zoo
1403
01:00:17.780 --> 01:00:20.329
and it's all shot a bit like Borat, you know,
1404
01:00:20.389 --> 01:00:22.849
with real people who don't know what's going on. And
1405
01:00:22.889 --> 01:00:25.510
he's playing all these characters and these scenes are unfolding
1406
01:00:25.550 --> 01:00:27.630
in public. There's one scene where they go to the
1407
01:00:27.690 --> 01:00:31.730
zoo and Eric Andre's character somehow gets trapped in a
1408
01:00:32.349 --> 01:00:36.550
pen with a big randy gorilla and ends up getting
1409
01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:39.480
basically violated by the gorilla.
1410
01:00:39.500 --> 01:00:39.579
Yeah.
1411
01:00:40.030 --> 01:00:42.159
And then just when you think that's extreme enough and
1412
01:00:42.199 --> 01:00:44.940
all these people are watching and they think it's real,
1413
01:00:45.179 --> 01:00:47.280
even though it's obviously a man in a gorilla suit.
1414
01:00:47.880 --> 01:00:50.199
They're all freaking out and filming it on camera phones
1415
01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:51.679
and going, oh, my God, get him out of there.
1416
01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:55.760
And Eric Andre's screaming, help me, help me. And it's
1417
01:00:55.780 --> 01:00:58.980
just getting it's a bit like that bit in The Revenant.
1418
01:00:59.000 --> 01:00:59.619
You know what I mean?
1419
01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:03.280
It's like a sexy, sexy version of that bit where
1420
01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:06.969
DiCaprio gets attacked by the bear. And then just when
1421
01:01:06.989 --> 01:01:10.630
you think it's gone pretty far, there's just a long,
1422
01:01:10.829 --> 01:01:17.860
long cum shot from this gorilla that just goes on
1423
01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:20.659
and on. It goes everywhere. Anyway, that was the most
1424
01:01:20.739 --> 01:01:23.849
extreme part. The rest of the film was really quite
1425
01:01:23.989 --> 01:01:29.150
sweet and uplifting and very funny. And so that was
1426
01:01:29.210 --> 01:01:33.460
a great moment because we were all very sceptical.
1427
01:01:33.480 --> 01:01:34.960
We just thought this is.
1428
01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:37.079
Not going to work out. Actually, it was a hit,
1429
01:01:37.179 --> 01:01:39.760
that one. And I think our son was quite pleased
1430
01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:40.260
about that.
1431
01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:41.880
So did your 13-year-old watch it as well?
1432
01:01:42.099 --> 01:01:45.500
Yeah, we all watched it. It was a family movie.
1433
01:01:45.539 --> 01:01:45.840
Wow.
1434
01:01:46.090 --> 01:01:47.949
And she liked it. Everyone liked it. That was a
1435
01:01:48.050 --> 01:01:49.030
massive hit, that one.
1436
01:01:49.050 --> 01:01:49.170
I bet.
1437
01:01:49.610 --> 01:01:52.210
But then we've had other ones where they just all
1438
01:01:52.230 --> 01:01:54.369
sort of drift off one by one. And it's usually
1439
01:01:54.449 --> 01:01:57.050
me and my eldest son are the ones left. The
1440
01:01:57.110 --> 01:01:58.760
only ones that watch the whole thing.
1441
01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:01.320
Oh, that must be heartbreaking when they're slowly leaving.
1442
01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:04.380
I'm going to have to check out this gorilla cum shot.
1443
01:02:04.400 --> 01:02:06.800
It sounds like a great, great movie review. She's a
1444
01:02:06.840 --> 01:02:08.730
biscuit in a suit away from being at your school.
1445
01:02:09.070 --> 01:02:11.989
It would be embarrassing if I actually rewatched the film
1446
01:02:12.070 --> 01:02:14.039
and that isn't in it. I just sort of imagined it.
1447
01:02:16.449 --> 01:02:18.039
I just wish that that had been in there.
1448
01:02:18.119 --> 01:02:22.519
You just drifted off for five minutes. Fell asleep. That's
1449
01:02:22.539 --> 01:02:26.139
an interesting thing. It's very difficult to watch things. Do
1450
01:02:26.179 --> 01:02:28.380
you know what I mean? Like keep track of everyone's
1451
01:02:28.400 --> 01:02:30.360
watching box sets and they're watching two in the evening
1452
01:02:30.389 --> 01:02:32.349
and all that kind of stuff. And that period when
1453
01:02:32.369 --> 01:02:36.059
you've got young kids, it's like. you're almost taken out
1454
01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:38.800
of culture for five years, if you know what I mean. Yeah.
1455
01:02:39.019 --> 01:02:42.139
But as someone who's so obsessed and their career is
1456
01:02:42.159 --> 01:02:44.860
so based within it, did you find that difficult? Did
1457
01:02:44.909 --> 01:02:45.590
that happen to you?
1458
01:02:45.889 --> 01:02:49.809
Not really, because when our kids were little, it was
1459
01:02:49.829 --> 01:02:52.989
all about DVDs. So I used to cycle off to
1460
01:02:53.429 --> 01:02:56.550
this shop in the West End in London, and they
1461
01:02:56.710 --> 01:03:00.269
sold import DVDs as well. So I would just pay
1462
01:03:00.590 --> 01:03:03.889
ridiculous amounts of money to get all these American imports sold.
1463
01:03:04.440 --> 01:03:07.340
of movies that weren't out in the UK yet. And
1464
01:03:07.539 --> 01:03:10.530
I'd watch everything like that. We'd just watch everything on TV.
1465
01:03:10.929 --> 01:03:13.210
And then we'd do all the box sets. And, you know,
1466
01:03:13.250 --> 01:03:17.090
I was mainlining culture that ended up being talked about
1467
01:03:17.250 --> 01:03:20.570
as part of the mainstream anyway, like The Sopranos and
1468
01:03:21.010 --> 01:03:25.380
The Wire and Lost and 24 and all that sort
1469
01:03:25.400 --> 01:03:27.260
of stuff we were watching when the kids were little.
1470
01:03:27.300 --> 01:03:29.000
So I didn't feel disconnected.
1471
01:03:29.159 --> 01:03:31.000
How did you find the time? I just don't know
1472
01:03:31.039 --> 01:03:31.940
where I got the time.
1473
01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:32.639
Do you know what I mean?
1474
01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:36.469
Every night. Once we've got them to bed, it's eight, maybe.
1475
01:03:36.929 --> 01:03:39.110
And then we'll eat. And then we're like, by half nine,
1476
01:03:39.130 --> 01:03:41.650
we're like, done. We're out. This is it.
1477
01:03:41.929 --> 01:03:43.550
Have you ever heard of Telly Supper?
1478
01:03:43.809 --> 01:03:44.630
Telly Supper.
1479
01:03:44.989 --> 01:03:47.409
Yeah, mate. That's how we watched it. It was like
1480
01:03:47.449 --> 01:03:50.039
we never sat down at the dinner table in those years.
1481
01:03:50.579 --> 01:03:53.239
As soon as the children were in bed and the
1482
01:03:53.679 --> 01:03:57.219
baby monitor was quiet, which it only was for about
1483
01:03:57.219 --> 01:04:00.179
20 minutes at a time before the green lights started
1484
01:04:00.260 --> 01:04:01.219
flashing and it would be like.
1485
01:04:06.239 --> 01:04:10.099
Fucking hell but as soon as they were in bed
1486
01:04:10.139 --> 01:04:12.760
it was like four episodes of 24 or something we'd
1487
01:04:12.840 --> 01:04:15.159
just be trying to because i think me and my
1488
01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:20.420
wife used to party hard before the children arrived so
1489
01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:23.260
we still had that mentality of like come on we
1490
01:04:23.300 --> 01:04:26.659
gotta get our fun in before we both pass out oh.
1491
01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:28.260
Adam, thank you so much for coming on.
1492
01:04:28.260 --> 01:04:29.690
It's been an absolute pleasure to talk to you.
1493
01:04:29.909 --> 01:04:32.590
We've got one final question for you, and it's the
1494
01:04:32.650 --> 01:04:34.789
one thing that your wife does that annoys you with
1495
01:04:34.829 --> 01:04:36.789
her parenting, but you don't really bring it up because
1496
01:04:36.829 --> 01:04:39.280
it starts a row. Is there anything that she does
1497
01:04:39.340 --> 01:04:40.860
that gets to you, Adam, that if she listened back
1498
01:04:40.900 --> 01:04:42.320
to this, she'd go, yeah, he's got a point?
1499
01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:45.539
Oh, that's a tough one, because she is a great mum.
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01:04:45.679 --> 01:04:47.539
And I imagine after 19 years, you've probably had all
1501
01:04:47.579 --> 01:04:49.320
the rows you can have about kids.
1502
01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:50.789
There's not anything there.
1503
01:04:51.349 --> 01:04:53.429
Oh, yeah, but there have been some big ones, sure.
1504
01:04:54.210 --> 01:04:56.349
I'm trying to think of something funny. The thing is
1505
01:04:56.389 --> 01:04:59.230
that most of those kinds of rows are really just
1506
01:04:59.610 --> 01:05:02.590
angsty and go to the heart of all sorts of
1507
01:05:02.710 --> 01:05:04.800
big worries you have about what you've done with your
1508
01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:05.099
own life.
1509
01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:05.820
You know what I mean?
1510
01:05:08.659 --> 01:05:12.480
But, you know, we've rowed about, is she overcautious? Are
1511
01:05:12.519 --> 01:05:16.469
we too helicopter-ish? I used to love cycling when I
1512
01:05:16.510 --> 01:05:19.070
was young and I loved that sense of independence that
1513
01:05:19.110 --> 01:05:21.980
it gave me. And I want them to get into
1514
01:05:22.019 --> 01:05:24.150
that as well. And, you know, we're out in the country.
1515
01:05:24.210 --> 01:05:27.769
But she's like, no, man, the country's way too dangerous.
1516
01:05:28.590 --> 01:05:31.150
And I just was convinced that she was wrong about that.
1517
01:05:31.190 --> 01:05:33.989
And then I spent a day researching it. And, yeah,
1518
01:05:34.010 --> 01:05:36.420
it is more dangerous to cycle on little country lanes
1519
01:05:36.480 --> 01:05:39.539
than to be in town. So that's been a bone
1520
01:05:39.559 --> 01:05:40.300
of contention.
1521
01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:42.820
I love that you spent a day researching whether.
1522
01:05:42.679 --> 01:05:44.949
It's the most Adam Buxton thing I've ever heard.
1523
01:05:45.260 --> 01:05:47.320
I didn't want this row to keep, because it used
1524
01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:50.440
to happen fairly regularly. It would be like, she'd be like,
1525
01:05:50.760 --> 01:05:53.119
can you go and pick up the kids from tennis
1526
01:05:53.139 --> 01:05:55.489
or whatever? And I'd be like, why can't we just
1527
01:05:55.780 --> 01:05:57.719
put them on a bike and they can cycle to
1528
01:05:57.780 --> 01:05:59.989
flipping tennis and then they can cycle back. And then we,
1529
01:06:00.409 --> 01:06:01.929
you know, we don't have to do quite so many
1530
01:06:02.030 --> 01:06:03.449
car journeys and keep.
1531
01:06:03.250 --> 01:06:06.210
The planet alive for a couple of years longer. What
1532
01:06:06.250 --> 01:06:07.050
about that?
1533
01:06:07.710 --> 01:06:09.110
And she'd be like, well, if you want to kill
1534
01:06:09.130 --> 01:06:12.250
your kids, then yeah, great. So I thought, I'm going
1535
01:06:12.269 --> 01:06:15.309
to have to research this. And it turned out that
1536
01:06:15.369 --> 01:06:17.989
she was right to be worried. And so, you know,
1537
01:06:18.010 --> 01:06:21.409
we don't have that row anymore. But even so, I mean,
1538
01:06:21.489 --> 01:06:25.320
come on, you can cycle, Cathy. Anyway, but what's the
1539
01:06:25.440 --> 01:06:28.619
thing she does? I mean, she's too nice to them.
1540
01:06:28.820 --> 01:06:32.659
How about that? I just think she is too generous
1541
01:06:32.880 --> 01:06:36.019
and nice. She does this thing at Christmas of getting
1542
01:06:36.059 --> 01:06:40.219
everyone stockings. And this is like stockings in addition to
1543
01:06:40.519 --> 01:06:44.309
presents on Christmas Day, right? And in the stockings are
1544
01:06:44.750 --> 01:06:48.610
more presents than most people get for their main Christmas day.
1545
01:06:48.630 --> 01:06:49.090
You know what I mean?
1546
01:06:49.349 --> 01:06:49.570
Yeah.
1547
01:06:49.909 --> 01:06:54.590
And I just think that is pure madness. But there's
1548
01:06:54.670 --> 01:06:56.909
nothing I can do. There's no way that I can
1549
01:06:57.289 --> 01:07:00.510
have the conversation without just seeming like the most horrible,
1550
01:07:00.789 --> 01:07:07.829
gritty old bastard in the world. But I just think like, no, no, no.
1551
01:07:08.170 --> 01:07:12.050
All these presents and you are wrapping every single one
1552
01:07:12.760 --> 01:07:17.380
In wrapping paper and the waste. Oh, I can't bear
1553
01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:19.440
it anymore. And the spoilingness.
1554
01:07:20.039 --> 01:07:20.880
It's torture.
1555
01:07:21.949 --> 01:07:24.110
But there's so many things that I do that are
1556
01:07:24.150 --> 01:07:26.400
worse that I don't really have a leg to stand on.
1557
01:07:26.590 --> 01:07:28.750
It's been a pleasure speaking to you, Adam. Thanks so
1558
01:07:28.789 --> 01:07:29.909
much for doing the podcast.
1559
01:07:30.010 --> 01:07:31.150
I've loved it. Thanks, Adam.
1560
01:07:31.449 --> 01:07:33.949
Hey, it's really nice to talk to you guys and.
1561
01:07:33.989 --> 01:07:37.469
Good luck with your chat about Instagram. Yeah.
1562
01:07:38.369 --> 01:07:39.579
Thanks very much indeed.
1563
01:07:39.599 --> 01:07:40.659
I hope it goes well.
1564
01:07:40.900 --> 01:07:42.980
And I would like to point out just before we
1565
01:07:43.019 --> 01:07:48.409
conclude that overall, my experience of parenting has been... very
1566
01:07:48.510 --> 01:07:51.309
fortunate and continues to be wonderful and i don't know
1567
01:07:51.349 --> 01:07:53.670
what i would do without my children i can't imagine
1568
01:07:53.710 --> 01:07:56.130
life without them and yeah i feel very lucky i.
1569
01:07:56.070 --> 01:07:59.119
Think through your worries that speaks to the amount you
1570
01:07:59.420 --> 01:08:01.280
care for them and enjoy it i don't think that
1571
01:08:01.340 --> 01:08:02.659
comes across as someone who's.
1572
01:08:02.679 --> 01:08:04.480
Or are you just worrying that you think that you've
1573
01:08:04.500 --> 01:08:05.940
slagged them off too much and they're going to listen
1574
01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:07.639
back to this and hate you i mean there is
1575
01:08:07.659 --> 01:08:08.340
that god.
1576
01:08:08.239 --> 01:08:12.760
Knows God knows what kind of hang-ups they're going to
1577
01:08:12.800 --> 01:08:15.599
be tortured by and screwed up by and writing about
1578
01:08:15.639 --> 01:08:16.579
in their memoirs.
1579
01:08:16.760 --> 01:08:19.199
No, as a rule, everyone knows that we all love
1580
01:08:19.239 --> 01:08:21.619
our kids dearly and it's an amazing experience.
1581
01:08:22.100 --> 01:08:23.810
We've had a couple of guests where I've questioned it,
1582
01:08:23.850 --> 01:08:24.510
but you're not one of them.
1583
01:08:24.869 --> 01:08:28.210
Oh, yes, I'm absolutely heartless. But you're a good guy.
1584
01:08:29.489 --> 01:08:30.289
Yeah, thanks.
1585
01:08:30.310 --> 01:08:31.090
Thanks very much, Adam.
1586
01:08:34.250 --> 01:08:37.069
Adam Buxton. I'm a big fan of, does he call
1587
01:08:37.090 --> 01:08:37.829
himself Buckles?
1588
01:08:38.130 --> 01:08:38.350
Yeah.
1589
01:08:38.529 --> 01:08:40.710
Bless him, though. You can see him working his way
1590
01:08:40.770 --> 01:08:43.550
down a worry well, can't you? Yeah. Like, if he
1591
01:08:43.569 --> 01:08:44.449
just keeps talking.
1592
01:08:44.729 --> 01:08:46.609
The worst thing was all of those things he said
1593
01:08:46.630 --> 01:08:48.909
about having young children are what I think now. And
1594
01:08:48.949 --> 01:08:51.729
I'm like, oh, God, I'm watching my life unfold here.
1595
01:08:51.760 --> 01:08:52.479
Do you know what I mean?
1596
01:08:52.850 --> 01:08:53.680
He seems happy, though.
1597
01:08:53.920 --> 01:08:57.340
He is, yeah. It just shows how much you care,
1598
01:08:57.380 --> 01:08:57.770
doesn't it?
1599
01:08:58.100 --> 01:08:59.760
But yeah, but then you shouldn't care too much.
1600
01:09:00.090 --> 01:09:00.590
No, I know.
1601
01:09:00.609 --> 01:09:02.789
I feel that as well. He doesn't realise how funny
1602
01:09:02.810 --> 01:09:04.350
and how good he is at what he does.
1603
01:09:04.390 --> 01:09:04.810
He's brilliant.
1604
01:09:04.989 --> 01:09:07.189
He's always so put himself down of like, you know,
1605
01:09:07.210 --> 01:09:08.949
he's gone, I was just tagged along with Joe.
1606
01:09:08.770 --> 01:09:12.159
And he's hilarious. His podcasts are amazing. His live shows
1607
01:09:12.199 --> 01:09:13.720
are amazing. He's brilliant on panel shows.
1608
01:09:13.979 --> 01:09:16.960
He's such a funny bloke and really lovely fella as well.
1609
01:09:17.039 --> 01:09:19.659
He's a kind of alternative national treasure, isn't he?
1610
01:09:19.819 --> 01:09:22.359
I've seen people with a quarter of his talent bowl
1611
01:09:22.399 --> 01:09:23.979
around like they're the new Richard Pryor.
1612
01:09:24.189 --> 01:09:29.909
But it's good to work with you, Rob. I loved
1613
01:09:29.989 --> 01:09:32.260
Adam Buxton. Thank you so much to him for doing it.
1614
01:09:32.470 --> 01:09:34.909
Yeah, no, check out Adam Buxton's podcast. Really good. Interviewing
1615
01:09:35.149 --> 01:09:35.689
different guests.
1616
01:09:35.949 --> 01:09:39.239
Oh, it's incredible. He interviewed Paul McCartney. Did he? Yeah.
1617
01:09:39.319 --> 01:09:40.279
That'll be us one day.
1618
01:09:40.619 --> 01:09:44.319
Oh, man, what a booking. You absolutely not giving a shit.
1619
01:09:44.439 --> 01:09:46.239
Me sweating and shaking.
1620
01:09:46.720 --> 01:09:48.520
Oh, God, who's this auntie I'm talking to?
1621
01:09:48.539 --> 01:09:48.939
Why is he.
1622
01:09:52.239 --> 01:09:54.619
Why does he keep saying cool? He's 75.
1623
01:09:54.619 --> 01:09:58.659
Cool, yeah. Yeah, so, like, yeah, just having kids is, like, cool.
1624
01:09:59.289 --> 01:10:02.130
That's all American Scouts. I better not slag him off
1625
01:10:02.149 --> 01:10:03.930
too much in case we get him off. Imagine saying
1626
01:10:03.949 --> 01:10:04.470
that about a Beatle.
1627
01:10:04.550 --> 01:10:05.010
Oh, God.
1628
01:10:05.050 --> 01:10:06.869
Just absolutely rinse him. Oh, yeah, you can't have Paul
1629
01:10:06.890 --> 01:10:08.779
McCartney because he heard it and Rob was slagging him off.
1630
01:10:08.920 --> 01:10:11.720
Oh, God. Yeah, he's a huge fan of the podcast
1631
01:10:11.739 --> 01:10:14.060
to the point where he's listening to the Adam Buxton outro.
1632
01:10:15.170 --> 01:10:16.609
He only listens to the outros, weirdly.
1633
01:10:16.630 --> 01:10:17.229
Yeah.
1634
01:10:17.250 --> 01:10:19.470
He doesn't listen to interviews or the chat ones.
1635
01:10:19.850 --> 01:10:21.550
He likes them because they feel a bit more freewheeling,
1636
01:10:21.569 --> 01:10:24.010
don't they? It feels like that's our actual selves because
1637
01:10:24.029 --> 01:10:25.229
we know we're about to clock off.
1638
01:10:25.430 --> 01:10:27.529
Like the later stuff, the later Beatles stuff, where they
1639
01:10:27.550 --> 01:10:28.989
can really just go crazy.
1640
01:10:29.649 --> 01:10:30.800
Right, I'll see you on Tuesday.
1641
01:10:30.819 --> 01:10:32.060
See you on Tuesday. Bye.
1642
01:10:32.100 --> 01:10:32.340
Bye.