Paradigm Shift: The OJ Simpson Case, Did He Do It?

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Welcome back to another episode of the Paradigm Shift, guys.
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I'm of course Big Rob coming back at you with little Jesse.
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What's happening, buddy?
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Hey, hey, hey, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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It's Hawaiian shirt, Jesse, because it's Friday.
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Aloha.
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Aloha.
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How you doing today, buddy?
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Oh, I'm doing great.
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I'm I am excited for today's episode.
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This is the the case of cases, right?
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Um you know, I know we've been teasing this one for a little bit now, but whoo! It's a doozy.
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The case that started it all.
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Yeah, glove does not fit.
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You must acquit.
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You must acquit.
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Yeah.
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OJ Simpson trial, yes.
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Uh, I remember, I might be aging myself, but I remember this being on the TV every single day, all day long.
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Um, when this case was going on, and this was like a pre-internet world, right?
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Yeah, yeah.
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So, of course, there wasn't there was no Reddit, there was no Twitter or anything for people to discuss things, and uh there was no open forums, there was a water cooler, that's it, right?
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At your workplace.
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So um imagine how big this case would be today with the internet.
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It it would be even bigger, which is crazy to think about, but it totally would be.
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I mean, with the this was kind of the start, I think, of the 24-hour news cycle.
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Was this case really kind of kicked that off?
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And um, you know, I can remember personally, I remember my mom watching the case updates every single day.
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I think Geraldo had a show and she would watch it every night.
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Geraldo's like update of the OJ Simpson trial, right?
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And I mean, she was like just glued to this thing just every single night.
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And you know, I can even remember, I think I was in middle school when the when the verdict came out, and I remember one of the guys going, they found him innocent, and everyone was like, What?
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Like, like no one could like believe what was going on.
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Was he guilty?
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Was he in what?
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Oh my god, you know, it was like this culture war, and then there was like the fallout from it of sort of this weird racial angle on the whole thing, you know, it was just crazy, you know.
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Yeah, it was insane, and with the divisiveness between men and women in relationships today, it would be even more polarizing, in my opinion.
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I mean, look at the Lindsay Clancy case as an example, right?
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Uh, people would be screaming for OJ's head at this point.
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Yeah, yeah, totally.
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I mean, uh, it's it's one for the book.
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So I guess with that being said, do you have any initial thoughts on this one before we get into it?
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Well, just to you know, a lot I know that a lot of listeners probably weren't around for this case.
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Maybe they were.
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Let us know in the comments if you were around.
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Um but it's I think it's an important pivotal moment in our in our culture uh when it comes to relationships and these and these court cases as well, precedent being set.
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Um, so it is, I think it'll be fun as well to kind of look back at this case and and have a little bit of a a gander.
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And and I mean, obviously this one's long overdue, but paradigm shift needs to solve another one here.
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We do, we do, and and I would say with that, I mean, we're gonna we're gonna cut a knife straight.
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Ooh, not not a not a good choice for it, Jetsy.
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We're gonna get to the bottom of it.
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How about that?
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We're gonna get to the bottom of the OJ trial.
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Whoa, whoa, dial it back, bro.
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Dial it back with the analogies killing me today.
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Absolutely.
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What I would say before we kick things off, though, guys, uh, we do have a Patreon now.
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So with that being said, uh let's uh let's dive in here.
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Let's see, let's solve this case.
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Okay, well, so kicking this thing off, um, before we get into exactly what transpired, I think it's worthwhile to go back to the very beginning of when the story of Nicole Brown Simpson and OJ Simpson starts, right?
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In the bening beninging, in the bening.
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Yeah, yeah, the beginning, yeah.
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And and let me say also, too, you know, like from my perspective, um, I was born in '82.
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So for me, I never really knew OJ, the famous NFL running back.
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I didn't really know him in that context.
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I knew him as Nordberg from the naked gun movies, right?
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He was in all of them, and he was great.
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He was he was a hilarious character in the naked gun movies, and that's kind of how I knew him.
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So this whole thing is was just crazy, I think, when it unraveled, right?
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Um now, that being said, where this thing starts, so OJ Simpson, at the time that he met Nicole, uh, was married.
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Uh, he had been married for uh, I think about 10 years at that point in time.
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Not a good start, OJ.
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No, not a good start.
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He was married for 10 full years and he had three kids, pretty sure.
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Pretty sure it was three, uh, with his first wife.
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Uh Marguerite was her name.
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Okay.
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And the way that he met uh Nicole was that he walked into her restaurant and she was a waitress.
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Okay.
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So she was literally 18 years old, and he was 30 years old, married, with three kids, and this is when he was sort of in his uh NFL prime, right?
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Yeah, I mean, uh so immediately right off the bat, we're not off to a good start here on the on the character meter uh for OJ on this one, right?
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Um, now that said, you know, um Nicole being 18.
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I mean, think about when you're 18, right?
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Like you do a lot of dumb things when you're 18.
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Um, it you know, obviously uh connecting with this guy is very kind of sus sus, right?
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Suspect.
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I mean, it's not a good look.
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Uh at the same time, he was at the peak of his stardom, right?
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I mean, he's a millionaire, he's a he's famous, um, he had all these kind of things going on.
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And so they meet at this restaurant, and basically immediately he's sort of like infatuated with Nicole.
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I initially didn't know this whole part, right?
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No, I know they didn't no, they didn't put that's not general information that you you got back then, yeah.
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And oh, it gets better.
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Uh his wife had not yet had the third kid at the time, she was pregnant.
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Nice, yeah, exactly.
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So, so that's going on here.
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So now there was a bit of an overlap, I guess, with their the with the first marriage to the point that they officially separated.
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Uh, and apparently it was sort of an open infidelity, like he wasn't hiding this at all, and he was taking Nicole with him places, and he was he was married, he had two kids, and his wife was pregnant.
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Okay.
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Um, real quick, I just gotta say, you have to think that his wife at the time feels like she dodged a bullet or a knife.
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Well, that that that's that's a great uh little sidebar, is that after all of the everything that ultimately happened came out, uh people did apparently try to find her and she's still alive, and they asked her, like, hey, was he abusive with you?
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And she has adamantly said that he was not.
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And I think her quote was something along the lines that if he had tried anything like that with me, I would have hit him upside the head with a frying pan.
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Do you think that maybe she signed a some sort of a contract that an NDA?
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Yeah, that that said she had to respond that way, because that was kind of the the thing back then, right?
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I I would not be shocked if she did.
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I would not be shocked.
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Um, so it's it's very it's likely, I would say, that he probably bought her loyalty, right?
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Because again, um I'm I'm not sure how keen she was on him, you know, abandoning their marriage, abandoning her pregnant, and then leaving her for an 18-year-old, right?
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Um very, very crazy.
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Um so basically, following this finalized divorce from uh the first wife, uh, what happened uh shortly thereafter was I think it was the baby, the youngest one ended up um uh I think they they lost the girl, like she drowned in like the pool or something like that, in the swimming pool.
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So they lost the third kid, uh, the youngest.
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And then uh basically his wife said, you know, irreconcilable differences filed officially for divorce, and uh they moved in together.
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And this was out of a wedlock uh for six years, uh essentially before he solidified that relationship.
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So they officially uh got married in 1985, and um it was basically uh less than eight years after she had first served him a drink as a teenager at the restaurant called The Daisy.
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So just kind of like a very uh to me that this whole thing sounds really weird because it's like a very long public affair that was in the open, uh, that he just sort of did it without any um without really any remorse for his first family, right?
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Or shame.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I don't uh on a sidebar.
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I don't know if you uh let me know if if you if this is kind of queued up for later in the episode.
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How are his children doing today?
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I don't I don't actually know exactly how they're doing today.
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I don't know.
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I could look that up because I'm curious, like how you know how are they dealing with with all of this as adults?
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Well, technically there should be four of them.
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So the two remaining children from the first marriage, and then I think he had two children with Nicole, so there should be four total.
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Well, let's find out.
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He's he passed away, didn't he?
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He did, yeah.
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OJ is uh no longer with us.
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Yeah, few few years ago, I think.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, and honestly, kind of understandable.
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Um, with everything that kind of took its toll here.
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I mean, I I don't know how anybody lives through something like that if they're in the middle of it, you know.
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I I don't know what was happening with him, so you you're gonna have to specify that.
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Okay.
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I just read that he died.
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I didn't I didn't know how to apply or you ready for me to really get into the weeds here?
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You ready to go go deep, go into Thunderdome, full full blown red pill?
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Let's do that, but let's talk about let me first bring up what his children are up to so we can put a tack.
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So put a tack in that, and then we'll we'll segue back over to it.
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Okay, so yes, he has four children.
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Um, Arnell Simpson, he's the oldest.
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He was born in 1968, he's 57.
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Or sorry, she.
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It's a she.
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Um uh that's a weird name for a female, Arnell.
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Anyway, uh, daughter with uh his ex-wife, doesn't matter who.
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Uh she was a fashion/slash rap producer earlier in her life, uh, and a consistent public supporter of her father, including during the 1995 trial.
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Since his 2024 death, she has stayed well out of the spotlight to protect her privacy.
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Um, Jason Simpson, born in 1970.
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Uh, he is a professional chef.
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His career has included roles in uh Atlanta uh and earlier uh earlier worked at a place like uh Malessi in San Santa Monica, reported as of 2021 to 2026, places him as a creative director at a restaurant in Santa Monica, California.
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He keeps a very low public profile.
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Sydney Brooke Simpson, who's 40, born in 1985.
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Wow, there's big gaps in in these children's being born.
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Yeah, um she graduated from Boston University in 2010, uh psych uh psychology, spent time in Atlanta, and settled in St.
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Pittsburgh, Florida.
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Petersburg, Florida, sorry.
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Uh she works in real estate as an owner or manager of properties through entities like Simpsy LLC, handling rentals and investments in the Tampa Bay area.
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Um and then finally Justin Ryan Simpson, born 1988.
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Uh, he graduated from Florida State University, entrepreneur, entrepreneurial in small business operations, and has long worked in real estate in Petersburg, probably with uh Sydney.
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Uh his path has included Coldwell Banker, a short-lived property management firm.
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So none of them are in the celebrity spotlight.
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None of them.
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I wouldn't think so.
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And it, you know, it's also kind of interesting the Florida connection.
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I didn't I didn't realize they had a Florida connection.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, they're they're in Florida.
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It seems like Justin and Ryan, uh, or sit Justin and Sydney, sorry, um have worked together at some point.
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They would have to.
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I mean, if they're both property work for real estate agencies in Florida.
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Yeah, I can't see them go.
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I don't know why Pete Gangs are sibling, but anyway, I digress.
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That is how his children are doing these days.
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If anyone was curious, if you weren't, then you just got a whole bunch of useless information, and you're welcome.
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Uh on to uh on to his death, the circumstances surrounding OJ's death.
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So you were gonna dive deep into this shock and army.
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If you can't wrestle with dazzle, baffle him with bullshit.
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Let's go.
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Well, I wasn't getting straight into his death, I I was gonna get into the beginnings of this, right?
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So we talked about how they met.
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The next really big nugget here is uh the domestic violence.
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Okay.
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Now, kind of going back to the first wife, she said that OJ was never abusive towards her.
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Okay.
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And remember, she's quote adamant, and was she bought off, maybe, maybe not, we don't really know, but likely.
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Okay.
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Now, in the case of Nicole, uh, essentially she meticulously documented 62 separate instances of physical, verbal, and psychological abuse in her private journals.
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Okay.
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So apparently she kind of had multiple instances where she called the cops and the cops never did anything.
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All right.
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So this is the LAPD they were dealing with, and their home was in uh Brentwood, California, right?
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So one of the incidents, the baseball bat incident.
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So during one explosive argument, OJ grabbed a baseball bat and systematically smashed the windshield of Nicole's car while she was sitting inside it.
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Listen to this.
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Police defused the scene and no charges were filed.
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What?
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Oh my god.
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What?
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She was in the car and he was smashing out the windshield with a bat.
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The police showed up and did nothing, right?
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Because it was OJ, right?
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Of course.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Um, here's one the Rockingham eviction.
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So Nicole's sister, Denise Brown, testified to an instant incident at the uh Rockingham estate where OJ, in a volatile rage, physically grabbed Nicole and threw her entirely out of the house, smashing framed pictures off the wall.
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Okay.
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Uh, we got this one here, the New Year's Day turning point.
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Uh essentially, so there were eight uh prior unarrested incidents where the LAPD came out.
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Eight.
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Okay, remember we talked about this in the episode the other day about all the domestic violence history.
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Yeah.
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And yeah, there was five in that one.
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In this one, there were eight.
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Okay.
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And then we had the New Year's Day one.
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Uh so in this one, Frantic 911 call.
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The police are sent out there.
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So basically, when they arrived, Nicole emerged from hiding in the bushes wearing only sweatpants and a bra.
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She was severely beaten, exhibiting a blackened eye, a split lip, a distinct finger choke bruises around her neck, right?
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So clearly he was trying to choke her.
00:19:24.079 --> 00:19:30.319
Um, she collapsed into the officer's arms screaming, he's going to kill me, he's going to kill me.
00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:37.839
Uh, she explicitly told officers, you guys come out, you've been here eight times, and you never do anything to him.
00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:40.640
Like old cow.
00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:42.559
Obviously, right?
00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:44.400
Obviously, right?
00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:57.680
Um, so it says here when the responding officer announced he was going to place OJ under arrest, OJ sprinted to his car and sped away from his own estate uh to evade custody.
00:19:57.839 --> 00:19:58.960
Where does this sound familiar?
00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:00.960
Later with the Bronco, right?
00:20:01.920 --> 00:20:04.640
I mean, you kind of see things repeating here.
00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:11.039
So the sentence was OJ eventually pleaded no contest to misdemeanor spousal battery.
00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:25.839
Despite the severe injuries his celebrity status shielded him, he received a meager 24 months of probation, 120 hours of community service, and was allowed to conduct his court-mandated domestic violence counseling over the phone.
00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:29.359
He didn't even he didn't even have to go in in person, right?
00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:34.480
Uh it it pays to be it pays to be a celebrity, yeah.
00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:35.279
Yeah.
00:20:35.680 --> 00:20:46.880
And and so it says here that basically um after they divorced, so they remember they were married in 85, they divorced in 92, so seven years later.
00:20:47.200 --> 00:20:52.960
Um he continued a terrifying pattern of stalking and harassment.
00:20:53.519 --> 00:21:04.799
So it says here on October 25th, 93, uh Nicole placed back-to-back frantic 911 calls uh from her townhouse that were later played to the jury.
00:21:05.119 --> 00:21:09.519
So OJ arrived unannounced in his white Ford Bronco, right?
00:21:09.599 --> 00:21:10.559
The famous Bronco.
00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:11.759
Famous Bronco.
00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:16.000
Yep, screaming and in a blind rage over past events.
00:21:16.160 --> 00:21:20.480
He physically kicked and broke down her back door to gain entry.
00:21:20.720 --> 00:21:23.039
So he he literally kicked in the door.
00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:24.160
Broke it.
00:21:24.400 --> 00:21:25.039
Broke it.
00:21:25.119 --> 00:21:25.759
Yeah.
00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:32.000
Um, now it says here the audio on the tape, Nicole can be heard weeping to the dispatcher.
00:21:32.240 --> 00:21:36.480
My ex-husband has just broken into my house and he's ranting and raving.
00:21:36.559 --> 00:21:37.519
He's crazy.
00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:42.720
When the dispatcher urged her to stay on the line, Nicole replied, I don't want to stay on the line.
00:21:42.799 --> 00:21:44.880
He's gonna beat the shit out of me.
00:21:46.799 --> 00:21:48.480
Shouldn't laugh at that, but wow.
00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:49.759
Oh my god.
00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:50.640
Yeah.
00:21:50.960 --> 00:21:58.160
Um, and again, it says in the background, OJ's voice can be clearly heard screaming profanities and roaring at her.
00:21:58.400 --> 00:22:02.079
Police arrived just as OJ fled the scene.
00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:04.720
Boy, so he's fled the scene again, right?
00:22:05.279 --> 00:22:06.720
He seems to be good at this.
00:22:07.039 --> 00:22:07.279
Yeah.
00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:12.960
So it says here the safe uh secret safety deposit box in written journals.
00:22:13.279 --> 00:22:24.960
So knowing the police framework was failing to protect her, Nicole established a secret safety deposit box containing ironclad evidence to be found in the event of her death.
00:22:25.759 --> 00:22:27.200
So she knew this was coming.
00:22:27.359 --> 00:22:28.319
Like, holy smokes.
00:22:28.559 --> 00:22:30.319
Yeah, she knew it was coming the whole time, right?
00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:45.279
So it says here, um, inside, investigators discovered photographs of her bruised and battered face, a copy of her will, and a deeply emotional 1989 apology letter written by OJ admitting to the beatings.
00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:45.839
Okay.
00:22:46.960 --> 00:22:49.039
It says here the balcony journal entry.
00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:57.440
Months after her murder, her sisters discovered hidden handwritten journals detailing horrific incidents behind closed doors.
00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:14.480
Uh, this included a 1988 incident in Hawaii, where OJ physically beat Nicole and threatened to hang her over a high-rise hotel balcony after screaming about an acquaintance who had given her uh given their infant son a casual kiss on the cheek.
00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:18.160
And this gets better.
00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:21.200
Child protective services, right?
00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:46.799
So while individual private domestic violence shelter files existed, including the logs from the Santa Monica Women's Shelter, where Nicole called begging for emergency counseling five days before her murder, there was no active formal child protective services intervention file uh regarding Sydney and Justin prior to June 1994.
00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:50.240
That seems insane to me, right?
00:23:50.559 --> 00:23:52.799
That is that's the 90s for you, though, right?
00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:53.519
Oh my god.
00:23:53.759 --> 00:23:59.839
Well, basically, the cops were at this place nine nine times.
00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:02.640
I mean, nine times, right?
00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:09.279
And they didn't even open a child protective services file on this guy.
00:24:09.519 --> 00:24:10.160
Nothing.
00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:13.440
Well, I say I say it sounds like a 90s thing, but you know what?
00:24:13.519 --> 00:24:17.119
It kind of reflects what happened in the in the Clancy case.
00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:25.519
Just not like authority, authoritative figures just kind of nonchalantly brushing off the whole situation, right?
00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:29.839
Yeah, yeah, it's the it's an insane story.
00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:35.680
Um so are you ready to get into what actually happened here?
00:24:36.319 --> 00:24:46.720
Well, I just wanted to add real quick, yes, I am, but I want to add real quick, based on everything that you just kind of said there, you know what it kind of sounds to me like steroid abuse.
00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:48.799
Could be, yeah.
00:24:49.359 --> 00:25:14.319
With that degree of insecurity, um like that level of insecurity usually comes with massive hormonal swings like testosterone in his system, and that's by no stretch of the imagination is that an excuse or cop-out, but that kind of sounds like what's happening with him at this point uh in the story is massive steroid abuse.
00:25:14.559 --> 00:25:28.640
And and you gotta think too, the the era that he was in the NFL, yeah, that easily could have been prevalent, easily well, plus the plus the transition of him uh going into Hollywood and the and movies and stuff like that as well.
00:25:28.880 --> 00:25:30.799
He's gotta keep that physique, right?
00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:34.799
You gotta keep a certain good point, fitness, right?
00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:39.920
Because that's why you're you're getting Hollywood rules, right?
00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:50.640
Well, and something else that's worth mentioning is that you know, we weren't really aware of the effect of concussions in that era like we are today.
00:25:50.880 --> 00:25:52.319
And today they have a term for that.
00:25:52.400 --> 00:26:10.960
I think it's like CTE, and it's basically these NFL players that get their quote bell rung, you know, and usually uh like an NFL player that's played like 10 years has probably had anywhere from three to ten concussions over the course of that career, if not more, right?
00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:18.240
Um, and it's been shown that these guys that have CTE are violent later in life.
00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:20.720
And uh, you know, there's multiple examples of it.
00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:29.200
Like, I think like Junior Seo is one of the ones that he drove his car like right off right off the cliff in California, you know, like killed himself.
00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:31.519
And there's multiple examples of this.
00:26:31.599 --> 00:26:35.680
So it's highly likely, I think, that OJ also had CTE, right?
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:36.559
Yeah.
00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:38.559
Um absolutely.
00:26:39.680 --> 00:26:40.000
Okay.
00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:42.880
So here we go.
00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:45.039
What happened?
00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:45.519
All right.
00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:49.759
So this is the OJ case um in a nutshell of what transpired.
00:26:49.839 --> 00:26:55.759
So on the night of June 12th, 1994, uh, Nicole Brown Simpson.
00:26:55.839 --> 00:26:56.960
So this is the ex-wife.
00:26:57.039 --> 00:27:00.240
This is literally like two years after they've been divorced.
00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:03.680
Okay now, hang on, hang on, quick, quick caveat.
00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:07.519
After they were divorced, because he was with the waitress.
00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:09.680
No, she was the waitress.
00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:10.720
Oh, okay, okay.
00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:13.200
That Nicole Brown was the waitress.
00:27:13.279 --> 00:27:13.759
Yeah, okay.
00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:16.480
He left the first wife for her, okay.
00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:26.240
But at this point, we've had the 62-ish, maybe a little less than that, because it sounds like she documented a few more after the divorce.
00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:33.279
But basically, we have this long history of domestic violence, specifically uh from him against her.
00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:37.359
And so it's 94 now, so it's roughly two years later.
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:49.599
Um, so she returns home with her friend Ron Goldman, um, and they were brutally stabbed to death outside of her condo in Brentwood, Los Angeles.
00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:57.279
So the suspicion immediately fell on OJ uh due to the documented history of domestic abuse, right?
00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:00.079
Um obvious candidate here.
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:17.759
Um, after being informed that he would be charged with double murder, he failed to surrender to police, and instead he engaged in a low-speed televised vehicle chase in the white Ford Bronco, driven by his friend Al Cowlings.
00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:20.000
An estimated, listen to this.
00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:21.279
This is insane.
00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:33.680
An estimated 95 million people watched live as police followed the Bronco across Los Angeles highways until Simpson surrendered at his estate.
00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:44.319
Just for for perspective, it's hard to get 95 million views today on the internet.
00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:45.759
Yeah.
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:50.000
95 million views on television.
00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:52.079
That's insane.
00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:56.319
This was literally like OJ's next Super Bowl.
00:28:56.559 --> 00:28:59.359
That's like Super Bowl viewership, you know?
00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:02.559
Yeah, that's that's crazy, man.
00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:04.880
Yeah, it's it's insane.
00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:17.680
So basically, from there, uh, the subsequent criminal trial lasted nearly 11 months, and it became a global media obsession that we've kind of talked about a little bit already.
00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:30.880
And on October 3rd, 1995, the jury returned a verdict of not guilty on both counts of murder, uh, a moment that essentially polarized the American public uh along racial lines.
00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:35.359
Now, from there, let's get into the facts of this thing a little bit, right?
00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:39.200
So the facts here are the two victims were Nicole Brown.
00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:40.960
And here's another thing I didn't realize.
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:42.559
I didn't realize how young they were.
00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:45.039
So Nicole Brown was 35.
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:46.000
Wow.
00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:47.440
Yeah, 35.
00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:48.720
I mean, that's pretty young.
00:29:49.039 --> 00:29:51.359
Ron Goldman was 25.
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:54.240
He was in his mid-20s.
00:29:55.359 --> 00:29:56.000
Yeah.
00:29:56.480 --> 00:30:03.759
And you know, something else too, uh, that that I learned in this whole thing was I was going down the rabbit hole of like, were they in a relationship?
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:06.480
Because this supposedly happened late at night, right?
00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:17.839
Well, the story is that they kind of hung out in the same social circles, and he was a waiter at Mezzaluna restaurant, and she would eat there regularly.
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:23.279
And apparently she was there with family or whoever, and somebody had lost their glasses.
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:27.920
And so later she called in about these, and another waiter found them.
00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:30.000
And then Ron said, Well, I know her.
00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:31.759
I'll bring her the glasses later.
00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:43.200
So supposedly him entering this event, this chaos, whatever was transpiring with her and the killer, he showed up to give her the glasses.
00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:44.880
That's that's what happened.
00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:45.440
Okay.
00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:49.519
So they were not like an item, they weren't dating, they weren't together.
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:52.000
She wasn't like leaving a tennis lesson with him.
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:59.440
He was supposedly a tennis pro, but the story was that he was actually bringing her the glasses that were left at the restaurant, right?
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:01.039
Insane.
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:10.799
Um, so the timeline is the murders occurred between 10:15 and 11 p.m., June 12, 1994.
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:14.960
The crime scene evidence.
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:23.440
So a single blood-stained, extra-large, light leather glove was sound was found at the crime scene.
00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:28.319
Uh, its match was recovered by LAPD detective Mark Furman.
00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:32.160
This this kind of comes up later, and I'll get into this a little bit.
00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:49.119
Um, in terms of DNA profiling, um, a trail of blood drops found leading away from the victims matched OJ Simpson's DNA profile with a mathematical certainty of one in 170 million.
00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:52.480
That was the mathematical certainty it was OJ.
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:53.039
Okay.
00:31:53.279 --> 00:32:06.400
Uh blood containing a mixture of Simpsons, Brown's, and Goldman's DNA was found on the carpet and upholstery of Simpsons Ford Bronco, the famous Bronco again, right?
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:11.200
Now, what was insane at the time was his defense team.
00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:13.599
I don't know if you remember his defense team, right?
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:15.200
The I mean, you said it earlier, right?
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:18.319
If it doesn't fit it, you must have quit, right?
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:24.240
So OJ had what was dubbed the dream team defense team.
00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:26.400
Like no one had ever seen anything like this.
00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:27.519
Johnny Cochran.
00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:29.519
Yep, Johnny Cochran, exactly.
00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:30.640
He was sort of the lead.
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:38.640
We had Robert Shapiro, uh, there was F Lee Bailey, there was Alan Dershowitz, Robert Kurt Kardashian.
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:41.920
This is where the Kardashians come to come to light.
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:42.559
Come to fame.
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:47.519
I mean, look at the look at how this event uh set that whole family on a path, right?
00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:50.559
Um wasn't he friends with OJ?
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:51.519
The Kardashian?
00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:52.960
Kardashian, I think he was.
00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:54.480
Yeah, I think he was.
00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:59.119
Um and then they had a couple of DNA experts, right?
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:04.160
Now, the prosecution, on the other hand, they had Marsha Clark and Christopher Darden.
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:05.839
That was the prosecution.
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:11.359
Now, outside of this, there was later a civil trial in 1997.
00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:12.799
So this was after O.J.
00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:13.759
was found innocent.
00:33:13.839 --> 00:33:38.079
There was a civil trial where the Goldman and Brown families sued him in civil court, uh, free from the basically constitutional requirement of a unanimous jury and uh beyond a reasonable doubt standard, uh, where essentially the civil jury found Simpson liable for the wrongful deaths and ordered him to pay 33.5 million in damages to the families.
00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:38.640
Okay.
00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:42.000
That was a lot of money back then.
00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:48.000
It's not as much simple as today, but yes, yes, it was an insane amount of money.
00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:58.480
And so to put some of this in perspective, uh I had read here that he was paying$50,000 per day for his attorneys.
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:00.000
Per day?
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:02.319
Per day for his attorneys.
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:04.240
Yeah.
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:14.000
Now, at the time, he supposedly had a net worth somewhere around$11 million, and a lot of that was tied up in the Brentwood mansion, okay?
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:15.679
So his estate.
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:25.519
And apparently the way that he managed to fund a lot of this was he was sort of like taking out lines of credit against the asset, right?
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:34.880
And so he was basically borrowing against the asset, and then the other thing that he later did when he was in jail was he was selling autographs.
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:40.000
Well, you gotta do what you gotta do, right?
00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:44.000
I mean, hey, you know, you're accused of double murder, hey, whatever.
00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:46.400
You you likely killed them.
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:48.320
Hey, you gotta make ends meet.
00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:52.320
And you know, in doing so, he supposedly raised about three million dollars.
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:54.480
50 bucks is 50 bucks.
00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:56.000
Right, yeah, yeah.
00:34:56.079 --> 00:34:57.840
I mean, there you go, right?
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:03.199
Now, let's talk about some of the controversial aspects of this.
00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:06.960
So, first of all, we had the glove.
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:09.840
So, that bloody glove that was found, right?
00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:21.760
So, basically, in a high-risk move engineered by the prosecutor, uh, Simpson was asked to try on the blood-stained leather gloves in front of the jury.
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:27.360
Simpson appeared to struggle significantly to fit his hands into the glove, right?
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:36.559
So, this blunder prompted Johnny Cochran's legendary closing argument phrase if it doesn't fit, you must acquit.
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:39.119
You still remember it, so do I.
00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:41.440
It's like burned into my brain, right?
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:45.360
Um next, we had Mark Furman.
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:49.360
So, this is the LAPD officer that found the glove, right?
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:52.800
So it says Mark Furman's tapes and racism.
00:35:53.760 --> 00:36:07.440
The defense successfully unrealed the Furman tapes, which was audio recordings of Mark Furman using extreme racial slurs and boasting about police brutality and fabricating evidence.
00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:22.239
Furman subsequently took the Fifth Amendment when asked under oath if he had planted the bloody glove at Simpson's estate, destroying the prosecution's institutional credibility.
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:25.920
What do you think of that?
00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:28.079
Not surprised.
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:29.119
Not surprised.
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:30.159
Oh my god.
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:33.199
Yeah, you know, and and let's just tell the audience too.
00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:36.719
I mean, back then, this is the era of like the Rodney King beatings.
00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:43.440
There were multiple allegations of sort of things happening that weren't on the up and up within the LAPD, right?
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:45.199
Dirty cops, all kinds of stuff.
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:47.920
So far more prevalent than it is today.
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:50.239
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:56.159
Um, now obviously from this case, we had the racially polarized public reaction, right?
00:36:56.719 --> 00:37:00.320
So the trial exposed a massive racial divide in America.
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:19.599
Uh polls at the same time showed that the vast majority of white Americans believe Simpson was guilty and that the DNA uh evidence was ironclad, while a majority of black Americans believe Simpson was innocent or framed by a systematically racist Los Angeles police department.
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:27.679
See, and the for me, this is a this is a big one of the biggest hangups in the West, Western culture that we have, right?
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:32.400
And it's still to this day, it's still happening.
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:33.360
Yeah, right.
00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:48.800
Yeah, whenever something happens, it's you know, if it's a if it's a black person who who committed a crime, nope, nope, must be, he must be innocent because he's black, he must be a victim of the legal system.
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:51.679
Someone's framing him because he's black.
00:37:51.840 --> 00:38:00.239
He didn't actually, I listen, I know it's on videotape with him stabbing the poor little white girl in the seat in front of him in the neck with a knife.
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:05.679
I get that it's on tape, but he's innocent because he's black, right?
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:15.119
And the same thing for for white people, it's like you know, and it's not all white people, it's not all black people, but it's like, oh, he's black, he must be guilty, he must have done it.
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:22.639
Like, there's if you truly are making your decisions based on that kind of thing, fuck your stupid.
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:26.559
Yeah, you know, like you're just you're so dumb at that point.
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:35.840
Like, you think they're guilty because of the pigment in their skin, or you think they're innocent because of the pigment in their skin, give your fucking head a shake.
00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:43.760
Yeah, well, it it you know, I I think from the from the African American view, you do get racially profiled.
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:44.400
It's true.
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:52.079
I mean, and it basically anybody who's black could tell you multiple stories of when they were profiled and what bullshit it was, you know.
00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:55.280
Um, so that's that's part of it.
00:38:55.599 --> 00:39:00.880
But again, the idea that, well, he's just innocent, like all the black people are on his side.
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:04.159
I mean, come on, like let's let's look at the evidence here.
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:06.800
And then why are all the white people saying he's guilty?
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:08.400
There were none of them saying he's innocent.
00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:11.039
Of course there were, but I think this was again.
00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:19.119
I mean, when the media latched onto this, I mean, they blew that thing up as far as they could because they knew it was getting views and clicks, right?
00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:20.079
That's what they do.
00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:23.920
Yeah, let's oh, race is becoming an issue in this case.
00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:26.239
Let's pour some gas on that flame.
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:28.400
That's exactly what they did, yeah.
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:31.119
And it really kind of stoked that whole race thing.
00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:37.199
And from that, basically, the defense then had a race-based defense strategy, right?
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:55.840
So Robert Shapiro later publicly broken ranks with his colleagues, um, expressing deep regret that the dream team intentionally chose to play the race card and put the history of the LAPD on trial rather than focusing strictly on the evidence in the case.
00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:56.480
Yep.
00:39:56.719 --> 00:39:57.280
Right?
00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:00.559
Which is, I mean, strategy strategy, I suppose.
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:02.000
Pretty much.
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:07.119
Um, so speaking of evidence, so it says you're mishandling of forensic evidence.
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:15.920
So the defense uh masterfully exposed severe incompetence by the LAPD's scientific investigation unit.
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:19.519
Uh, they proved that crime scene technicians failed to wear gloves.
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:21.039
They didn't even wear gloves.
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:21.920
Like what?
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:26.400
Um, they left Nicole Brown's body uncovered for hours.
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:28.400
Uh what?
00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:31.519
They left her body uncovered for hours.
00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:33.280
Who's reporting this?
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:36.800
This is what the defense ended up exposing in the trial.
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:37.519
Okay, okay.
00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:38.559
Yeah, yeah.
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:49.360
And uh stored blood vials uh in hot plastic bags, arguing that the DNA evidence was completely contaminated and unreliable.
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:50.400
Right.
00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:53.440
Well, and that's listen, that that is the standard, right?
00:40:53.519 --> 00:41:06.000
I mean, chain of custody, we know that you know evidence has to be handled in any very strict and um precise way in all facets, so crime scenes as well.
00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:17.280
So, I mean, if if that is how laxadasia was in terms of you know the mishandling of the evidence in the crime scene, they have every right to to to fight it.
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:18.239
I mean, absolutely.
00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:19.119
Yeah, yeah.
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:24.000
I mean, this wasn't like a pristine collection process, obviously, you know.
00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:36.960
Yeah, I mean, like a sample a blood sample, for example, in a in a co in a case, uh, in a murder case, if if the chain of custody gets broken even for a split second, that that can't be used as evidence anymore in in court.
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:38.000
Exactly, right?
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:39.360
Throw it out, yeah.
00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:40.960
Contaminated.
00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:47.280
Um, so it says here this was also uh you know, the media circus and judicial oversight.
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:54.400
So the the judge uh faced heavy criticism for allowing live television cameras into the courtroom.
00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:58.079
So that was kind of on a on a different scale as well.
00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:00.719
This live court TV, that drama.
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:04.880
I mean, this is the thing I was saying, my mom was watching every single day.
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:07.519
You should let that happen more often nowadays.
00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:08.159
They do.
00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:11.760
There's court there's a channel, court TV, courtroom TV.
00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:13.360
You can find it on YouTube, you know.
00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:20.079
Yeah, but in these kind of cases, though, usually like uh is there is there cameras in the Clancy case right now in the courtroom?
00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:21.440
Oh yeah, okay.
00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:22.079
Well, there you go.
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:23.679
Yeah, the whole thing's on YouTube.
00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:28.559
Everybody that's ever deposed that's up there uh in the trial, it's it's all there.
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:29.679
Um well that's right.
00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:33.039
You were yeah, you were watching some of the some of the testimony, right?
00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:36.320
But but for this case, that was kind of a new thing, right?
00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:38.000
Kind of a new thing at the time.
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:40.239
Well, it's like 95, right?
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:41.199
Right.
00:42:41.599 --> 00:42:42.719
Um, listen to this.
00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:45.199
So it says uh the Bronco Chase accommodation.
00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:55.679
So LAPD faced severe public backlash for allowing Al Cowlings and an armed OJ Simpson to cruise down LA freeways for hours.
00:42:56.000 --> 00:43:04.639
Well, citizens cheered from overpasses rather than aggressively spinning out or boxing in the vehicle, they just let him keep driving.
00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:06.480
They did, they did.
00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:16.880
They they could have simply used the pit maneuver long before the helicopter started following the the the Bronco, and I mean, because it was it was on TV for hours, dude.
00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:17.679
I don't even know.
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:20.400
Like, did he how did he not run out of gas?
00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:22.800
He must have just topped that sucker off.
00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:25.519
Yeah, I mean he had a full tank in the Bronco.
00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:29.840
Hey, listen to this one, this will piss you off.
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:32.719
So the domestic abuse dismissal.
00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:46.400
So the prosecution spent the opening weeks detailing years of frantic 911 calls made by Nicole, showing the pictures of a bruised face detailing Simpson's prior plea for no contest uh to spousal abuse.
00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:55.360
And the jury ultimately dismissed this entire narrative as a relevant relationship history rather than a blueprint for murder.
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:02.639
A relevant relationship history?
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:03.119
Yeah.
00:44:03.360 --> 00:44:09.440
Try use that use that one on your wife next time that uh next time you do something stupid and she brings it back up.
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:11.199
That's a relevant relationship.
00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:13.840
That's a relevant relationship history.
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:19.360
The 62 documented domestic violence incidents.
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:20.480
Irrelevant.
00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:23.280
That's irrelevant to you potentially killing her.
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:26.000
Of course, of course, that's irrelevant, right?
00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:27.760
Oh man.
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:39.679
Um anyway, it also says here what another thing that was crazy was the jury was isolated in a hotel for a historic 265 days.
00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:45.039
They were locked in this hotel as like prisoners of this case, right?
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:46.719
Could you imagine?
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:50.960
Yeah, I mean, that's that's entirely just insane.
00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:54.079
Um okay.
00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:56.400
So those are the facts.
00:44:56.559 --> 00:44:58.159
That's kind of what happened.
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:01.440
Now, I then took this one step further.
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:02.000
Okay.
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:10.719
So I'll I I I went down the rabbit hole a little bit of like, okay, uh, what are the top theories around what actually happened?
00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:17.199
And even if it was or wasn't OJ, like, tell me tell me what the options were here, right?
00:45:18.079 --> 00:45:19.440
This is interesting.
00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:20.000
Okay.
00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:23.039
So there's a couple of these.
00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:26.559
The organized crime drug debt hit.
00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:28.079
Okay.
00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:38.719
So apparently, at the time that this was going on, uh, Nicole had a roommate who was living with her, a lady named Faye Resnick.
00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:46.639
Faye was staying at the condo and she was battling a severe free base cocaine addiction.
00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:51.119
She was freebasing co cocaine, which I what is that?
00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:52.800
Like lighting cocaine in a spoon?
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:54.400
Is that free basing?
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:58.159
I have honestly, I have no idea.
00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:00.480
I think freebasing, yeah.
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:02.880
I would assume it's just like snorting it.
00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:03.199
I don't know.
00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:04.079
That could be wrong.
00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:10.719
Well, no, that's regular cocaine, it's just snorting it, but freebasing may might be the smoke or something lighting it.
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:11.760
I don't know.
00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:26.800
Anyway, so she had this roommate that was freebasing cocaine uh living there, and basically she allegedly owed a massive debt to high-level violent drug traffickers connected to the Los Angeles underworld.
00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:27.360
Okay.
00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:41.599
And it says here that basically they did an intervention with her uh just just a couple of days before Nicole and and Ron were murdered, that basically sent her out of the condo.
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:47.119
Now, what's interesting is apparently the two of them did look alike, also.
00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:54.559
They were both kind of blonde, you know, uh fairly attractive, kind of fit into that Los Angeles scene, right?
00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:56.320
They they looked similar.
00:46:56.639 --> 00:47:04.320
So the thought here is that there may have been a hit because of her drug debt.
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:18.800
Now, apparently, so the slashing technique, so the throats of both victims were cut using a swift, deep ear-to-ear technique, uh, typical of Colombian cartel executions.
00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:23.599
They also say, I know you want to say something, so let me let me get this one.
00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:28.719
They also say there was potentially uh there were two-man footprints.
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:31.679
Okay, so it's not just one guy.
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:50.000
So remember, we found OJ guilty, but they they said your forensic defense experts pointed uh to blood patterns and footprint angles that suggested at least two distinct killers were moving simultaneously during the assault, which lasted uh less than a few minutes.
00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:54.559
See, I didn't know any of this.
00:47:56.320 --> 00:48:04.159
So it's funny how you know, like this is why you have to be able to not be biased, right?
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:13.119
Yeah, because now like I I I went into this thinking, like it like most people, yeah, totally OJ totally did this.
00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:15.440
Now I'm not so sure.
00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:18.320
A little bit of doubt, right?
00:48:18.639 --> 00:48:20.480
A lot of a lot of bit of doubt.
00:48:20.719 --> 00:48:27.599
I mean, that's what what if I mean it it does invite the the thought.
00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:35.519
What if OJ did walk into this and it was a a drug hit and because of drug debt and stuff like that?
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:43.280
And and this just completely and utterly destroyed this man's career and life over something that he didn't do.
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:48.000
He may have been a total prick in terms of relationships.
00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:56.480
Yep, that's it's it most definitely does introduce uh reasonable doubt to in in my mind.
00:48:56.800 --> 00:49:08.480
Well, and think about this in all of that documented domestic abuse, did he ever once cut her or stab her or display a knife in any of it?
00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:20.400
No, yeah, so the fact that they were cut literally ear to ear kind of says maybe it's not him, right?
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:22.079
Yeah, that's very intentional.
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:23.119
Uh intentional.
00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:35.679
I mean, uh if if you cut somebody's you know throat, you would you would assume you don't actually go all the way ear to ear unless you're kind of you've done it a million times.
00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:37.599
That's a methodical killing, yeah.
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:39.039
Yeah, yeah.
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:44.159
Like it's not just a uh in a in a fit of passion, right?
00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:49.679
Which which everything else seems like it is him having a fit of rage, a fit of passion.
00:49:49.760 --> 00:50:03.199
It's that CTE, it's the steroids, and he's just raging, and he's physically, he's like a caveman, you know, he's beating on her, he's wailing on her, he's hitting the baseball bat, you know, he's doing all these things.
00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:10.800
But you never feel you never hear the the the the sort of uh surgical precision.
00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:15.360
He took surgical precision and slashed each of their necks ear to ear.
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:17.519
It doesn't match.
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:19.360
Yeah, that's weird, right?
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:22.480
Like we say, the math doesn't math.
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:25.119
Well, there's a couple other theories here.
00:50:26.079 --> 00:50:31.679
Now, this is one the Jason Simpson theory, the overlooked son.
00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:33.760
So listen to this.
00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:41.679
So there's a Texas private investigator, William Deere, that wrote a book called OJ is Innocent and I Can Prove It.
00:50:41.920 --> 00:50:53.440
And his theory argues that OJ's eldest son from his first marriage committed the murders in a fit of rage, and OJ arrived after the fact to help cover it up.
00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:54.239
Okay.
00:50:55.039 --> 00:50:56.960
Now here's as guilty then.
00:50:57.440 --> 00:50:58.079
What's that?
00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:00.079
That would make him just as guilty then.
00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:00.960
Yeah, yeah.
00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:03.519
If he was an accomplice to murder, he'd still be guilty, right?
00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:05.519
And remember the DNA evidence, right?
00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:07.280
That's supposedly in the Bronco.
00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:12.880
So it says here the motive is that Jason was 24 at the time.
00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:15.119
So Nicole would have been 35.
00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:16.400
He was 24.
00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:19.440
Ron Goldman was 25, right?
00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:27.599
Um, so he was a chef who loved Nicole but reportedly felt deeply rejected by her.
00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:38.800
On the night of the murders, Jason was working at a restaurant and had prepared a special meal for his family, but Nicole changed her plans and chose to eat at Mezzaluna instead.
00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:41.119
This is where Ron was working, right?
00:51:41.519 --> 00:51:43.280
Severely upsetting him.
00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:53.039
Jason also suffered from documented intermen explosive disorder and was off his psychiatric medication at the time.
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:53.679
Okay.
00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:59.440
Now, it says here that he allegedly went to Nicole's condo to confront her.
00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:03.199
An argument spiraled out of control, triggering a violent rage.
00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:06.079
When Goldman arrived, Jason engaged him.
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:06.800
O.J.
00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:10.800
Simpson received a frantic call or discovered the scene later that evening.
00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:15.360
This is kind of what he this investigator is saying he thinks happened.
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:23.199
Um, prompting him to step in to protect his son by muddying the forensic trail, creating an alibi, and engaging the dream team, right?
00:52:23.440 --> 00:52:26.000
Now it says here the weapon alignment.
00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:32.880
So Jason was a trained chef who was deeply skilled with military grading culinary knives.
00:52:33.199 --> 00:52:46.639
PI uh William Deere recovered a hunting knife from Jason's storage unit that forensic experts stated perfectly matched the distinct structural wounds inflicted on the victims.
00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:51.360
Um another thing, a dark knit cap.
00:52:51.519 --> 00:52:58.639
So a dark knit cap found at the crime scene contained animal hair and hairs matching an African-American male.
00:52:58.960 --> 00:52:59.360
O.J.
00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:09.840
Simpson famously hated hats and rarely wore them, but Jason was consistently photographed wearing the exact style of Nick Cap.
00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:24.400
Now it says here that uh Jason's time card from the restaurant that night was manually written in rather than stamped by the machine, leaving an unverified window of time during the precise hour of the murders.
00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:27.679
More reasonable doubt.
00:53:28.639 --> 00:53:38.320
The one thing that I hear in all of that that doesn't match, again, is the precision, the the methodical cut.
00:53:38.559 --> 00:53:38.800
Yeah.
00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:55.280
Like, yes, he's skilled with a knife, but the methodicalness of it comes from a position of calm, not a position of rage, like was described in this.
00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:56.159
Right?
00:53:56.239 --> 00:54:17.039
Yeah, like we we talked about this in the last uh podcast, in the flora podcast, and that is that you know detectives on crime scenes and stuff, they can identify the emotion in a in a murder, yep, very easily, right?
00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:25.039
And a simple ear-to-ear slice does not is not indicative of rage.
00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:30.960
No, an ear an ear-to-ear slice tells me you've done this before and you know what you're doing.
00:54:32.079 --> 00:54:34.000
So that doesn't that doesn't match up with that.
00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:38.559
Everything else is like, oh, like especially the time card, what's going on here?
00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:38.960
Yeah.
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:48.000
There's definitely some some reasonable doubt, but the the emotion in the crime doesn't match the emotion of the motive.
00:54:48.719 --> 00:54:50.079
So here's another one.
00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:53.440
Glenn Rogers serial killer confession.
00:54:54.159 --> 00:55:02.880
So Rogers, known as the cross country killer, was a nomadic serial predator convicted of murdering multiple women across the U.S.
00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:04.480
in the mid-90s.
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:14.000
Um, his family and private investigators revealed that right before his arrest, he had been working as a construction hand and house painter in Los Angeles.
00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:20.320
Now, he claimed he was hired by OJ to do repair work on Nicole's condo.
00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:22.880
He stated that O.J.
00:55:23.119 --> 00:55:28.960
casually complained about his ex-wife and remarked that he wished someone would make her go away.
00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:39.519
Rogers took this as an open invitation, broke into the property to steal valuables, encountered Nicole, and executed her, later bragging to his brother that O.J.
00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:41.519
had paid him to do it.
00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:58.320
So what's interesting here for the evidence is that it says here Rogers accurately described the interior layout of Nicole's home and detailed a specific gold knife he used long before those details were made fully public.
00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:13.440
Now it says here the extreme excessive violence of the crime scene perfectly matched the signature chaotic overkill profile Rogers left behind at his verified crime scenes in Ohio, Mississippi, and Florida.
00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:21.760
I'm a little more skeptical of that one, to be honest with you.
00:56:21.920 --> 00:56:29.519
That kind of the impression I get from that one is kind of like a serial killer, right?
00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:41.199
Someone who's killed multiple women trying to more boast his fame by playing a famous yeah.
00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:43.920
This is what serial kill killers want, right?
00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:45.039
Is notoriety.
00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:45.679
Yeah.
00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:46.239
Yeah.
00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:47.920
It's like I did this.
00:56:48.000 --> 00:57:02.159
Like, so he sees an opportunity here in his in his general vicinity of his life, and he's like, I'm gonna take responsibility for this to boast my own image of you know what I've done here.
00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:08.320
That that kind of seems like riding the coattails of the case, kind of that's the vibe it gives me.
00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:09.760
I can see that.
00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:10.960
All right.
00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:26.639
Here's the theory that if it was OJ, if it if it genuinely was OJ, so um OJ Simpson's relationship with his girlfriend, Paula Barbieri, had completely fractured that morning.
00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:28.880
So he already had a new girlfriend, right?
00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:31.440
And remember, this is two years post-divorce.
00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:36.639
Uh, she left him detailed, uh, she left a detailed voicemail breaking up with him.
00:57:36.800 --> 00:57:38.400
She broke up with him on the machine.
00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:40.159
Oh, so he didn't have a girlfriend.
00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:42.880
Yeah, so I'm sure that pissed him off, right?
00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:54.960
Yeah, uh simultaneously, he attended his daughter's dance recital earlier that day, where Nicole completely isolated him, refusing to let him sit with the family or attend the celebration dinner.
00:57:55.280 --> 00:58:01.280
So it says here, narcissistic rejection from both women drove him into a blind, volatile rage.
00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:02.159
Right?
00:58:02.639 --> 00:58:12.079
Now it says, armed with a knife from his collection and dressed in dark sweatpants and the light leather gloves, remember the ones that supposedly don't fit him.
00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:16.000
Uh, Simpson drove his Ford Bronco to Nicole's condo to confront her.
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He ambushed her in the walkway.
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When Ron walked up the path to drop off the glasses, Simpson was caught mid-crime and entered a frenzied, desperate struggle with Goldman, uh, dropping his left glove and cap in the process.
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Let me ask you this real quick.
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How big is Goldman?
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Uh I don't know exactly how big he was.
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I mean, he was 25 and he was a tennis pro.
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I'm I'm assuming at least six foot.
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But I mean, compared to OJ physically, OJ would have been bigger.
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That's what I'm going with here.
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You see where I'm going.
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OJ was a beast of a man.
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Yes.
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And he's in a frantic struggle with a tennis player.
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Yeah, exactly.
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I don't know.
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Tennis player waiter, right?
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I don't know about that.
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We're talking about a linebacker here.
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Now, it also says here, so the evidence, so Simpson had a fresh deep cut on his left hand when interviewed by police the next day.
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This perfectly explained the trail of left-sided blood drops matching his exact DNA profile leading away from the bodies.
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Now, the Bronco, the mixture of Simpson's Nicole's, and Ron's Goldman's blood uh pressed into the steering wheel and floor mats of the Ford Bronco remains the most difficult piece of evidence for any alternate uh theory to cleanly explain away.
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Well, for me, I can explain it away.
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Okay, go for it.
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I think OJ was at the crime scene, obviously.
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I think he found it the way that it was.
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Yep.
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Ended up with blood on himself from all three of them, and hopped into his Bronco and famous chase, right?
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Okay.
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I think that's how the blood got on him.
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I think he found the crime scene.
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Yeah, yeah, that that very well.
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Being a black man in 1995 as well, like we talked about earlier in the episode, um probably had definite reservations about being at a murder scene and calling the police.
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You know, obviously, as combine that with his past history of domestic violence and stuff, I mean, I would have to think that if I was in his position, I would I would have to assume that there's no way the police are gonna take my word for any of this.
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Why would they, right?
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Exactly.
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I totally understand that.
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Yeah.
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But right when you thought you had this thing figured out, I got one more bomb to drop on you.
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This is what the shift does.
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Okay.
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Now, the most compelling and explosive update to hit the case since 1995 has recently come to light through newly unsealed federal court records.
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So those documents reveal that O.J.
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Simpson may have had assistance from a high-level mobster and drug trafficker named Joseph Joey Ippolito in disposing of the evidence.
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Okay.
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So Ippolito was an extremely reliable federal mafia informant.
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So he's a he's a he's a rat, right?
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He's he's talking to the feds.
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Uh and you know, typically the way these mafia guys work is they get busted in a crime, and then the feds turn them and they say, Well, you're either going to jail or you're going to give us info, right?
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So that was him.
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So the unsealed documents show that shortly after the 95 trial, Ippolito provided law enforcement with highly specific information regarding the exact location and disposal of the missing murder weapon.
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Uh the files detail that he and organized crime networks were allegedly involved in assisting Simpson's efforts to evade immediate prosecution during the frantic days following the murders.
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Now it says here that despite federal prosecutors labeling Ippolito as incredibly credible, Los Angeles authorities never pursued his leads or brought him in to testify.
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So following this October uh 2026 revelation, Nicole's sister Tanya Brown publicly stated we deserve answers as legal analysts debate whether OJ had an active cleanup crew provided by Underworld Connections.
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Now, it says here the other highly uh publicized piece of post-trial news turned to be a massive dead end.
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This is interesting, too, is that in 2016, the LAPD went into a frenzy after a retired officer turned in a folding buck knife that had been found buried at OJ's old Rockingham estate by a construction worker during its 1998 demolition.
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So the officer had kept the knife in his personal toolbox as a memento for nearly 20 years, and forensic testing by the LAPD ultimately revealed that the knife contained absolutely zero usable DNA.
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So there's there's a knife found later, right?
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Now, I I went a little further into this and I said, okay, if if this Ippolito guy was involved, like what how how is this happen, right?
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Like what's um how how is this guy uh involved here?
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And apparently uh he had disclosed all this to I think his brother, and then later uh he was trying to make money from his story, and when he wasn't going to get paid for it, he said he recanted his story.
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But the brother apparently said that at the time they were living together, and he did come home that evening after being out at the exact time with a bag full of bloody clothes.
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Well, I know what I think happened.
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Okay, I want to hear it.
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Where are we at?
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You're ready for me to solve this?
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I'm ready.
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Let's do it.
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Oh OJ Simpson 2.0.
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Did he do it?
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Did he do it?
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Did he do it?
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No, he didn't do it.
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I'm going with the drug debt for 500, Alex, right?
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Okay.
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I think that uh I and I think that he stumbled across the crime scene, and that's why he was there.
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I think he was too scared to call authorities, which is completely justified, fled, and I think that that is what led to the Bronco chase is the fear that they were just gonna pin it on him, and he didn't do it.
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That's that's a great take.
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That's all the blood god in the Bronco, and that's that's all the guanos on your shoe, and that explains the abrasion on your palm.
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The lace ventura for you.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I I I think I think he's he's a bully, uh, but he's equally a pussy, right?
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Like he he he can beat on Nicole, who's a fraction of his size, but you don't ever hear about OJ getting in physical fights with men.
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No, and that's why that's common with with men who bully and beat up on women, right?
01:05:53.360 --> 01:05:53.760
Exactly.
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Right?
01:05:54.239 --> 01:05:57.440
There there's there's a there's a dominance factor.
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There part of this is like she she literally Was his trophy wife, right?
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He he discovered her.
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She's his trophy.
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And how dare her have a mind of her own, right?
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Yep, exactly.
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So I think in all of the documented 62 incidents, it's it's a lot of the same over and over.
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He's insane.
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He's gonna kill me.
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He's he's punched me, he's hit me, you know, he's thrown physically thrown me out the door, he's bashed in the windshield.
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Um, he's raging, right?
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I mean, he he's literally raging in every one of these instances, and I think that that really aligns with, like you said, steroids, and it aligns with CTE, right now, with all of that rage, why would he slit her neck ear to ear, and then when Ron is walking up with the glasses, slit his neck ear to ear?
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Well, exactly.
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It doesn't make sense.
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No, I don't think it does.
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I I I think I think that's the thing that changes this for me is is the the way that it was done, it's surgical, it's methodical.
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This is clearly somebody who's done this before.
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And then you really have maybe two or three choices.
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So there's the mobster, there's the serial killer, or there's the drug dealer.
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Who who would be more likely to do a crime like that?
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For me, it's yeah, like I said, it's the it's the drug debt.
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Uh going back to the mob thing, you know, covering up the evidence.
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I I just I don't buy that because what a shitty job.
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There was so much evidence recovered for the coin keys.
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Like, what yeah, you left a glove on the ground, like yeah, footprints, like I don't know.
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That doesn't sound like a professional cleanup crew to me.
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Well, and and think of the mobster, also, right?
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Like, mob guys are known for like dressing well, wearing nice clothes.
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You're telling me that he's gonna slit their necks versus just shooting them in the head.
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Why wouldn't he have done that?
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You know what I mean?
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Like he's gonna he's gonna run the risk of literally getting blood all over him.
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And the mob also doesn't leave bodies like that either.
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They, you know, she would have been in a acid somewhere, you know.
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Yeah, exactly.
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They'd get rid of the body in a heartbeat.
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Yeah, they don't just leave a crime scene and bodies lying around.
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Okay, so the mobster's out, but what about the serial killer?
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Nah, like I said, it's that to me, that's like I think he was trying to add that to his repertoire, his resume.
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He's trying to brag.
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Yeah.
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Trying for trying for in uh trying to be infamous with the case.
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Yeah, yeah, you know what I think?
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I think you're right.
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I think I think it really was a drug hit that they came in to to kill the friend.
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The friend was already gone, right?
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She's away at rehab now, and they found Nicole and they thought that was her.
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Yeah, and they probably slit her neck just like that, and as it's going down, Ron comes walking up with a pair of glasses, and like they said, there was two of them, so they easily could have grabbed him and slit his neck, and that would have been that.
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And you know, OJ at this point wouldn't be able to get a hold of her, right?
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So he's probably raging, pissed off.
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I'm going over there, you know.
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He probably went over there, stumbled right through the whole crime scene.
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Oh my god.
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And then he he talked to Al, and Al was like, dude, you gotta get the hell out of here.
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They're gonna think you did it, you know, they're gonna think you you gotta go.
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That's how they get in the Bronco, and that's how they randomly start driving.
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That that explains the footprints, that explains why the glove doesn't fit, that explains the blood in the Bronco, yeah, and that explains his extreme fear and anxiety of just talking with the police.
01:09:59.600 --> 01:10:00.560
Yeah, yeah.
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And and going back to the bodies, like you said with the mobster, if this was a drug hit, they don't give a shit about the bodies, and especially if this was a cartel hit, they really don't give a shit.
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You know, the the body then turns into a message, yeah.
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It's it yeah, it's it's a hey, this is what happens.
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Yeah, so I I think that shift has solved another one.
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I think you're right, man.
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God, did we just solve the OJ case?
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We did solve the OJs.
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We solved it.
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He's a piece of shit.
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I mean, yeah, he is a piece of shit through and through.
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He is a terrible person, and he probably did a lot of this same shit to the first wife and paid her off, so she's not talking.
01:10:43.520 --> 01:10:49.680
But I mean, he he's a terrible obviously, he did a lot of bad things to Nicole, and he should have been in jail for all of it.
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But truthfully, you know, some of this also, you know, I had a weird thought about this case that I think there's a bit of an attraction as well with Nicole to this kind of thing, right?
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Like she got attracted to OJ, she got pulled into that.
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She has this friend who's got a coke habit that's completely out of control.
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She's kind of living this good life.
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I mean, OJ paid for the condo that she was living in, you know.
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I mean, like, she was kind of like high society, but well connected and had money, and I could totally see how this whole thing could just go really bad in an instant.
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100%.
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I think we just figured it out, man.
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