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Hello, thank you for coming to next I'm excited. I
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hope you all have been listening to our shows. We've
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had some wonderful people on and we have a great
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guest today, Fiona McCauley. I can't say enough wonderful things
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about Fiona. Really has into social social impact. She's a
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professor at Georgetown University in Washington, d DC, a real
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advocate for women and has been you know, her entire life.
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She's written numerous books and actually has a new book
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out which we're going to be talking about, Aim High
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and bounce Back. And I love the title of the
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book because bounce back we all run into difficult situations
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as we're aiming high and how to figure out how
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to bounce back, and that's sort of the next how
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do you figure out your next for yourself? Leona is
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a CEO of Wild Women in Leadership Development, which is
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a great organization. They do lots of fabulous stuff. And
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with that, let me bring on Fiona McCauley.
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Hi, Linda Heyriona, Hey, it's great to be here with you.
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All right, So tell us about a bunch of stuff
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I want to talk to you about. But how did
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you get into this in the first place? Has such
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a great entrepreneurial background.
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I worked in the global development industry for twenty five years,
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and that's the industry which works towards access to clean
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water overseas, gender equity, access to healthcare, helping communities grow
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climate resistant agriculture. And what I saw, Linda, I had
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the privilege of working in about fifty different countries and
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worked with hundreds of different organizations. When I was able
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to peek into all those organizations, what I saw over
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and over again is that there was women professionals who
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wanted to move into positions of greater leadership so they
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could have more power and influence and have an even
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greater impact in the work that they were doing and
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supporting others to do. And that much of the time
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they were really doing the bulk of the work that
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they did not have that formal leadership position or authority.
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Oh yeah, right for two reasons.
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One structural because you know, the jobs were not good,
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the jobs were more likely to go to men. And
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still are Fiona well and still are you know, in
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global health eighty percent of the people who work in
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global health are women, but they only hold twenty percent
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of the leadership positions. Amazing statistic, right, the data speaks
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for itself. And so I started the WILD Network Women
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for Impactful Leadership Development to support purpose driven women around
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the globe, so across America, Canada, Mexico, Sub Saharan, Africa, Asia,
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Middle East, really women around the Europe, women around the
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globe to be able to be even more impactful leaders
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than they already are by curating content both to support
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organizations and industries to promote more inclusive leadership opportunities and
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also to support women to step into their full leadership potential.
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Wow, how many years has WILD been going on? A
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long time? I know, but how many years?
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Yeah?
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Well, we're coming up on a decade, so we'll be
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doing our ninth Leadership for Social Impact Forum, which is
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we do an in person conference in DC every year
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in May.
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I'm going, yeah, that's right.
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I'm so excited to have you there, Linda.
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And that's the thing that's what's so exciting I think
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about this community is that we have women like yourself
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who have been leading in the inclusive leadership space in
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the US for decades.
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Will have a.
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Lot of certified leadership coaches who come from across America
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to attend. We also have women coming from different parts
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of the globe who want to be there in person.
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And then we have people from across the Greater Washington,
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d C, Virginia, Maryland area who identify as being a
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purpose driven leader. Whether they're working for Coca Cola or
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working for Save the Children or working for the US government,
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if they're working for positive social change, they really belong
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in the wild network and we would love to have
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them there at the leaders for Social Impactful So.
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You do I mean just because you go to the forum,
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it's not over there. There is a lot of other
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things that go into that form. Actually, after you actually
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participate right, Fiona.
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Well, exactly, because as you and I both know, Linda,
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you know, being an impactful leader it really is a journey.
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I think most of us wake up every day wanting
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to be, you know, the best leader, the most supportive
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leader that we can be, and then things happen right where,
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you like, have time constraints, or somebody says something or
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write something to us that kind of like throws us off,
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and maybe we're more impatient than we wish we were,
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or we are not taking a calculated risk, but we
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want to be taking right. We're all working on our
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leadership skills all the time. The best leaders are and
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so we feel we know actually from the research that
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coming together being with other like minded people committed to
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leadership development inspires us and fuels us. And when we
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layer on leadership competencies, that helps us to kind of
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maintain and even you know, become stronger leaders. And the
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one day is really important. We also realize that people
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want to stay in community.
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Yes, absolutely, so.
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For example, you know, you and I have a wonderful
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friend and colleague, Morag Barrett, and every year she generously
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does a session one month after the leadership conference, does
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a session that's about how to take small steps towards
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ambitious goals, because you know how it is you go
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to a conference and you do leave with a notepad
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or a phone full of things you want to do,
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people you're going to follow up with, and then you know,
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you get, as I say, like to misquote Muhammad Ali,
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you get like punched in the face by the by
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your email inbox.
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Right, you don't get into all those things.
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And so what we do is we reconnect the community
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a month after the event to reconnect people to their
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goals and then break down, Okay, how can you take
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small steps towards these ambitious goals?
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Because I'm the kind of support we all need, right absolutely, well,
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we used to do, you know the thirty sixty ninety day,
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you know, follow up with people, because that happens with
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executives too.
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You know, you're in a company and you take people
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through these phenomenal leadership development, inspiring things, and then they
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go back into the same old workplace and it's gone.
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So you really do have to you really do need
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that follow up on a regular basis. But I want
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to I want to jump forward to your Santiago, your
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Camino walk, tell us about that. That's so, I'm so
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bummed I can't go this year, Linda.
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I'm looking forward to having you on the next chapter
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Accelerator and me in a walking retreat in twenty twenty seven,
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so we'll put it in the books.
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Absolutely.
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So I am.
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I'm now in solidly middle aged, like in my early fifties,
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and I went through a big transition when I sold
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my first social enterprise almost a decade ago, so in
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my mid forth had been I had founded this company
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in my mid twenties, and so for almost twenty years
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had been scaling a social enterprise, and I was ready
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to think new things and do new things, and spend
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time with new people, specifically focusing on boarding purpose driven
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women and their leadership journeys. And I was also interested
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in teaching and the leading business. So the time was
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right for me to sell that company. Up until the
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day that it sold, I had been busy being the CEO.
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I had been busy managing this confidential sale process, and
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I hadn't given much thought to what the next chapter
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would be, except for I knew I wanted to be
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doing those different things. And I remember the day after
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the sale went through, sitting on my couch being like,
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how do I do?
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You know?
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Oh? Mg o MG, And as someone who was used
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to having power and status comes from the you know,
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being the CEO of a successful, well regarded company. You know,
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no inbox, no speaking engagements, no pressing deadlines, and I
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think voicing what a lot of leaders in transition have experienced,
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though baby doesn't get set out.
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Loud very much. I think you're absolutely right.
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So, but what I learned through that journey of then
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making that transition to becoming an adjunct professor at Georgetown
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University's Business School also an entrepreneur presence there starting the
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wild network is that there was three things that you
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really need to make a successful transition and to enjoy it.
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One is community.
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It's lonely to try and like figure out all these
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options by yourself and and to go through.
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Such a change.
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So having a community of people who are also seeking
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to make this kind of change, or have made or
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are making this kind of change. The second thing is
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a process because in a way, the world is your oyster.
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You know, you've also spent several decades at that pot time,
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you know, building up your reputation and your skills and
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your network a process about how to leverage all of
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those things but at the same time not be trapped
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by them is really critical, essential, essential, and accountability. So
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when a friend and colleague of mine started the Next
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Chapter Accelerator two years ago, I had had that experience
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of transitioning as an entrepreneur. She'd had the transitioning of
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working for thirty years at Accenture and was that managing
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director when she left. She also faced kind of similar
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challenges and opportunities, and so we came together to develop
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the Next Chapter Accelerator and the main event that we do,
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we run it once a year is as a walking
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retreat on the Camino de Santiago, which is a historical
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pilgrimage trail, and we do we do a leg of
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that trail in northern Spain, which is our.
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Many leaders bucket list.
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So we can also do custom retreats, but the one
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that we do that's open is at the end of
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September early Offctober every year, and we're offering those things
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that I mentioned. So it's an incredible group of accomplished women,
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like ambitious, successful women who are I think fall into
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these different categategories.
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Yes, and you.
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Can tell me Linda, which one resonates with you. So
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it's women who are looking for the next big job,
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Like they're in a big job and they want one
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more big job probably before they down gear. It's women
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who are in a big job and they want to
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really take a fresh look at that so they can
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really leave their mark and have the greatest impact possible.
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So it's kind of rejuvenating your approach to your current
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big job. There's people who want to move into a
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portfolio career, so they want more control over their time
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a little bit like I was doing perhaps like I
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wanted to teach, I wanted to start this not for
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profit and were the people who want to have a
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very very active retirement. So they're probably moving into a
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position where they want to maybe sit on a couple
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of boards maybe, right.
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And so we have this.
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Do a radio show, you a radio show.
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So Linda, I'm curious, like, as I kind of talked
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about those people who are in transition, successful career women
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in transition, what like what transition would you say you
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had made?
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Truthfully, I mean I was doing fine up until the pandemic,
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because you know, I was a public speaker as you
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well know, and Morag and I wrote a book together,
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and so it was it was Thinker's fifty this year
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that you were at where Linda Gratton made a comment
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about how much longer we all were going to live,
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and you know, you need to think about what is
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it that you're going to be you know, is going
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to be exciting for you. And that's when I said,
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you know, I sort of moved into retirement. Just like
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Marshall who said he was going to retire, he hasn't retired.
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And I said, you know, I just have too much
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more that I want to connect and do stuff around,
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so I would put myself in the latter phase.
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From a career perspective.
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I'm excited about everything and this is this show is
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not about me, it's about you. But I do think
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that people made that kind of reflection and that's why
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this this walk is so important.
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I think, yeah, I think so too, And you know
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it is very meaningful to just be on this historic
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but you know, you're just walking on steps that people
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have been taking for thousands of years. Who are also
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seeking something. Yeah, and when you're getting up in the
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just having these really honest conversations. Right, You're literally away
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from it all, and you're having incredibly honest conversations about
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what it is that you really want, what you really
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on the Camino. And as we were saying earlier, that
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a number of them were from Houston, and they've invited
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the Canadians and women from other states to come to
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Houston to spend a long weekend together, a workshop where
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people are going to be opening up letters that they
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important to you? What do you want to make sure
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you're moving towards what do you want to leave behind?
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So their letters are going to be arriving in the
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mail in the next few days, and then next week
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those goals, talking about what's changed, talking about what we're
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excitement of the Houston rodeo.
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That sounds great.
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I love that.
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I absolutely love that.
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Now you know, I don't want to I don't want
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to get out of it a show without hearing about
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your Aim High and bounce Back. Your book that actually
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just came out yesterday? Was it yesterday the day before yesterday?
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I think, yeah, we're we're just wanted to congratulations.
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Yeah so, and of course we'll have lots of copies
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of it up in New York. Yes, So tell the
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audience about your book and what they can get from it.
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Thank you, Linda.
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So it's Aim, Hibe and bounce Back, a Successful Woman
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Leader's Guide to rethinking and rising up from failure. And
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this book has never been more important. I think these messages,
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these frameworks and strategies have never been important because we
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need leaders out there making their greatest contributions. YEP, leaders
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are facing setbacks, mistakes, failures, disappointments all the time. I
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so you admire write people in your circle, people you
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see on social media who look like they're succeeding. I
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want you to know that they are having some kind
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of failure right now, every single one of them, every
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single one of us, and Linda, in a second of
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love you to weigh and it's something you feel like
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you're failing at.
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I don't have books.
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I don't know well, but I'll tell you the reason
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that I wrote this book is because within the Wild
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Network in twenty twenty one, I launched something called the
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Leadership fail Lab where we invited very successful women to
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talk about a massive failure they were responsible for, really
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get into how gutting that was for them, and then
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to talk about how they came out of it and
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what the lessons are that they have drawn out for
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themselves and for all of us.
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So, Linda, a question for you.
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We had one five hundred women from over one hundred
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countries participating in our virtual Leadership for Social Impact Forum.
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We had five of these very successful women talking about
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a major flop they were responsible for. The chat blew
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up and what do you think. The most common comments were, Oh,
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that's an interesting question.
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I think it probably was not taking a risk when
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they should have something along the long those lines. Yeah,
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now we're facing into what the situation was and not
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taking the risk. H.
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Yes, you're absolutely right, And many many comments were saying
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that and saying like me too.
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Oh my gosh, me too, me too, me too, me too.
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And what I observed in that Leadership fail lab and
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then the others we've done since then, is that women
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really want to talk about their failures and it's incredibly liberating.
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It gives you permission to talk about your failure when
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other women, you know, as I say, successful by any measure,
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are going first and talking about their failures.
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if you do it, you're going to fail.
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And I'm so glad you bring that up, because in
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the book, my co author and I felt like it
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was important to be clear on like, what are we
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talking about when we're talking about failure. So we broke
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down so actually did survey and we had over a
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thousand women respond in about thirty days. Again, just another
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signal that women wanted to talk about failure, and we
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identified five types of failure. So I'll bring a couple
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of those up. Let me start with the one you
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just mentioned, and we.
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Should do this relatively quickly, Fiona.
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Quick. So paralysis like where you're more, You're you know
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something needs to be done, you want to be the
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one to do it. This maybe an entrepreneurial venture you
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want to start, or you want to put yourself out
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there for something, but you are not taking action on
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it because you are so afraid you might not be successful.
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So you've failed before you even start, because the fear
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of failing is keeping you from moving forward. And those
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women out there who you see succeeding like launching businesses
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or ventures or podcasts or like your radio show, Linda,
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I just want to leave them with this message, like,
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go ahead and experiment, go ahead and take small steps
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towards your ambitious goal because rather you try and it
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not go exactly as you'd hoped, rather than not try
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it all.
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Yeah, great point. Great point. So Fiona, how do well?
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First of all, hold your book up again, because people
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need to buy this book.
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I mean it is fabulous. I ordered it and I
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can't wait to read it cover to cover.
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But I know all about it because we've been talking
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about it for a while.
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But how do people get a hold of you? You know?
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I mean you need to spread your message in every
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major corporation and major groups around the world, and how
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do people get a hold of you?
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Thanks for asking. So I have taken the frameworks and
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very practical takeaways and stories for this book, plus additional ones,
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and have a sixty minute interactive keynote that has been
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incredibly popular with audiences. People talk about fail want to
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talk about failure, women, men, really all leaders because everyone's failing,
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as I say all the time, and most of us
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are keeping that close. Many of us have a lot
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of shame around it, and many of us don't know.
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What to do about it.
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Don't know what to do about it, and you're not
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making your biggest contribution. Your team is not making their
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biggest contribution because they need to improve their relationship with failure.
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So I would love to come to your organization be
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able to lead you through this interactive keynote, or we
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can do a half day workshop together. And the best
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way to find me is at Fiona McAuley dot com.
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Pullie is a bit of a bear, so I'm gonna
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sell it.
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Let's spell it.
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McAuley like Macaulay Culkin child star from the eighties.
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Ac A U l A Y so ay yeah dot
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com So Fiona, f I O n A m A
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c A U l A y dot com. And I
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would love to hear from folks. Whatever the size of
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event you're doing. These messages are so important. The demand
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for them is so universal, and it would be an
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incredible gift to me, to you, to your audiences to
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be able to get these messages out to maximum people.
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Absolutely, I'm going to connect you with the ge Women's
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Network that you're the kind of person that they would
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love to have, assuming they still have that network. But
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that's great. Well, thank you so much, Fiona. It was great.
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I'll see you in New York in a few days
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and you know, we can all get your books signed
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and all that exciting stuff.
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I'm very excited for you.
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I've taken a lot of great insights from you, and
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I really appreciate you being on the show, so thank
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you so much.
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Thank you so much.
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Linda.
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I'm so glad that this is your new chapter because
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so many people are benefiting including me.
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Thank you, that's great.
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Well, thanks everybody for listening, and I appreciate you coming
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on to the show and I hope you're getting something
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out of it, and I hope you will listen to
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the next one. I hope you find them entertaining. And
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you can reach me at Linda at Linda at Lindasharky
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dot com and I would love any of the comments
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that you might have, or any suggestions or any people
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that you would like to hear from. Thank you very
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much and have a fabulous rest of your week. Bye.
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Hello, thank you for coming to next I'm excited. I
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hope you all have been listening to our shows. We've
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had some wonderful people on and we have a great
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guest today, Fiona McCauley. I can't say enough wonderful things
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about Fiona. Really has into social social impact. She's a
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professor at Georgetown University in Washington, d DC, a real
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advocate for women and has been you know, her entire life.
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She's written numerous books and actually has a new book
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out which we're going to be talking about, Aim High
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and bounce Back. And I love the title of the
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book because bounce back we all run into difficult situations
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as we're aiming high and how to figure out how
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to bounce back, and that's sort of the next how
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do you figure out your next for yourself? Leona is
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a CEO of Wild Women in Leadership Development, which is
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a great organization. They do lots of fabulous stuff. And
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with that, let me bring on Fiona McCauley.
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Hi, Linda Heyriona, Hey, it's great to be here with you.
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All right, So tell us about a bunch of stuff
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I want to talk to you about. But how did
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you get into this in the first place? Has such
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a great entrepreneurial background.
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I worked in the global development industry for twenty five years,
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and that's the industry which works towards access to clean
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water overseas, gender equity, access to healthcare, helping communities grow
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climate resistant agriculture. And what I saw, Linda, I had
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the privilege of working in about fifty different countries and
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worked with hundreds of different organizations. When I was able
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to peek into all those organizations, what I saw over
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and over again is that there was women professionals who
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wanted to move into positions of greater leadership so they
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could have more power and influence and have an even
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greater impact in the work that they were doing and
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supporting others to do. And that much of the time
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they were really doing the bulk of the work that
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they did not have that formal leadership position or authority.
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One structural because you know, the jobs were not good,
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the jobs were more likely to go to men. And
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still are Fiona well and still are you know, in
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global health eighty percent of the people who work in
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global health are women, but they only hold twenty percent
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of the leadership positions. Amazing statistic, right, the data speaks
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for itself. And so I started the WILD Network Women
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for Impactful Leadership Development to support purpose driven women around
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the globe, so across America, Canada, Mexico, Sub Saharan, Africa, Asia,
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Middle East, really women around the Europe, women around the
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globe to be able to be even more impactful leaders
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than they already are by curating content both to support
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organizations and industries to promote more inclusive leadership opportunities and
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also to support women to step into their full leadership potential.
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about this community is that we have women like yourself
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if they're working for positive social change, they really belong
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participate right, Fiona.
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leader that we can be, and then things happen right where,
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leadership skills all the time. The best leaders are and
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coming together being with other like minded people committed to
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layer on leadership competencies, that helps us to kind of
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ambitious goals, because you know how it is you go
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people you're going to follow up with, and then you know,
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we used to do, you know the thirty sixty ninety day,
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that follow up on a regular basis. But I want
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Camino walk, tell us about that. That's so, I'm so
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bummed I can't go this year, Linda.
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women and their leadership journeys. And I was also interested
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in teaching and the leading business. So the time was
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right for me to sell that company. Up until the
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doing those different things. And I remember the day after
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being the CEO of a successful, well regarded company. You know,
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no inbox, no speaking engagements, no pressing deadlines, and I
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think voicing what a lot of leaders in transition have experienced,
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though baby doesn't get set out.
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making that transition to becoming an adjunct professor at Georgetown
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University's Business School also an entrepreneur presence there starting the
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wild network is that there was three things that you
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Chapter Accelerator two years ago, I had had that experience
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of transitioning as an entrepreneur. She'd had the transitioning of
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working for thirty years at Accenture and was that managing
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director when she left. She also faced kind of similar
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challenges and opportunities, and so we came together to develop
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the Next Chapter Accelerator and the main event that we do,
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retreat on the Camino de Santiago, which is a historical
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that trail in northern Spain, which is our.
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more big job probably before they down gear. It's women
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big job. There's people who want to move into a
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portfolio career, so they want more control over their time
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profit and were the people who want to have a
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very very active retirement. So they're probably moving into a
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Marshall who said he was going to retire, he hasn't retired.
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not about me, it's about you. But I do think
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that people made that kind of reflection and that's why
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this this walk is so important.
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just having these really honest conversations. Right, You're literally away
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people are going to be opening up letters that they
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important to you? What do you want to make sure
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you're moving towards what do you want to leave behind?
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those goals, talking about what's changed, talking about what we're
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your Aim High and bounce Back. Your book that actually
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just came out yesterday? Was it yesterday the day before yesterday?
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of it up in New York. Yes, So tell the
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audience about your book and what they can get from it.
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Thank you, Linda.
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So it's Aim, Hibe and bounce Back, a Successful Woman
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Leader's Guide to rethinking and rising up from failure. And
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this book has never been more important. I think these messages,
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these frameworks and strategies have never been important because we
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need leaders out there making their greatest contributions. YEP, leaders
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are facing setbacks, mistakes, failures, disappointments all the time. I
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so you admire write people in your circle, people you
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see on social media who look like they're succeeding. I
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of failure right now, every single one of them, every
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single one of us, and Linda, in a second of
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love you to weigh and it's something you feel like
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I don't have books.
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I don't know well, but I'll tell you the reason
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that I wrote this book is because within the Wild
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talk about a massive failure they were responsible for, really
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get into how gutting that was for them, and then
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to talk about how they came out of it and
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what the lessons are that they have drawn out for
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themselves and for all of us.
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So, Linda, a question for you.
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We had one five hundred women from over one hundred
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countries participating in our virtual Leadership for Social Impact Forum.
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We had five of these very successful women talking about
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a major flop they were responsible for. The chat blew
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up and what do you think. The most common comments were, Oh,
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that's an interesting question.
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I think it probably was not taking a risk when
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they should have something along the long those lines. Yeah,
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now we're facing into what the situation was and not
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taking the risk. H.
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Yes, you're absolutely right, And many many comments were saying
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that and saying like me too.
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Oh my gosh, me too, me too, me too, me too.
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And what I observed in that Leadership fail lab and
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then the others we've done since then, is that women
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really want to talk about their failures and it's incredibly liberating.
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It gives you permission to talk about your failure when
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other women, you know, as I say, successful by any measure,
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are going first and talking about their failures.
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And I think is another thing, just being afraid that
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if you do it, you're going to fail.
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One hundred percent.
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And I'm so glad you bring that up, because in
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the book, my co author and I felt like it
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was important to be clear on like, what are we
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talking about when we're talking about failure. So we broke
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down so actually did survey and we had over a
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thousand women respond in about thirty days. Again, just another
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signal that women wanted to talk about failure, and we
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identified five types of failure. So I'll bring a couple
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of those up. Let me start with the one you
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just mentioned, and we.
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Should do this relatively quickly, Fiona.
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Quick. So paralysis like where you're more, You're you know
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something needs to be done, you want to be the
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one to do it. This maybe an entrepreneurial venture you
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want to start, or you want to put yourself out
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there for something, but you are not taking action on
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it because you are so afraid you might not be successful.
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So you've failed before you even start, because the fear
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of failing is keeping you from moving forward. And those
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women out there who you see succeeding like launching businesses
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or ventures or podcasts or like your radio show, Linda,
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I just want to leave them with this message, like,
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go ahead and experiment, go ahead and take small steps
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towards your ambitious goal because rather you try and it
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not go exactly as you'd hoped, rather than not try
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it all.
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Yeah, great point. Great point. So Fiona, how do well?
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First of all, hold your book up again, because people
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need to buy this book.
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I mean it is fabulous. I ordered it and I
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can't wait to read it cover to cover.
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But I know all about it because we've been talking
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about it for a while.
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But how do people get a hold of you? You know?
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I mean you need to spread your message in every
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major corporation and major groups around the world, and how
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do people get a hold of you?
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Thanks for asking. So I have taken the frameworks and
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very practical takeaways and stories for this book, plus additional ones,
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and have a sixty minute interactive keynote that has been
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incredibly popular with audiences. People talk about fail want to
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talk about failure, women, men, really all leaders because everyone's failing,
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as I say all the time, and most of us
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are keeping that close. Many of us have a lot
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of shame around it, and many of us don't know.
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What to do about it.
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Don't know what to do about it, and you're not
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making your biggest contribution. Your team is not making their
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biggest contribution because they need to improve their relationship with failure.
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So I would love to come to your organization be
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able to lead you through this interactive keynote, or we
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can do a half day workshop together. And the best
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way to find me is at Fiona McAuley dot com.
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Pullie is a bit of a bear, so I'm gonna
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sell it.
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Let's spell it.
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McAuley like Macaulay Culkin child star from the eighties.
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Ac A U l A Y so ay yeah dot
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com So Fiona, f I O n A m A
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c A U l A y dot com. And I
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would love to hear from folks. Whatever the size of
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event you're doing. These messages are so important. The demand
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for them is so universal, and it would be an
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incredible gift to me, to you, to your audiences to
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be able to get these messages out to maximum people.
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Absolutely, I'm going to connect you with the ge Women's
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Network that you're the kind of person that they would
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love to have, assuming they still have that network. But
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that's great. Well, thank you so much, Fiona. It was great.
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I'll see you in New York in a few days
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and you know, we can all get your books signed
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and all that exciting stuff.
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I'm very excited for you.
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I've taken a lot of great insights from you, and
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I really appreciate you being on the show, so thank
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you so much.
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Thank you so much.
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Linda.
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I'm so glad that this is your new chapter because
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so many people are benefiting including me.
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Thank you, that's great.
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Well, thanks everybody for listening, and I appreciate you coming
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on to the show and I hope you're getting something
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out of it, and I hope you will listen to
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the next one. I hope you find them entertaining. And
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you can reach me at Linda at Linda at Lindasharky
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dot com and I would love any of the comments
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that you might have, or any suggestions or any people
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that you would like to hear from. Thank you very
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much and have a fabulous rest of your week. Bye.
