Top 10 Three Point Shooters of All-Time

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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, I'm looking Camden. I'm Carson Brabber and this is Nerd Sish. Oh my god, how could you do that? Don't check what Charles Darwin? All right, well, Logan, it is Monday, and last I checked. That means that we are talking sports history, and indeed we are, so today we're going to be talking about the top ten three point shooters in NBA history. I thought this was one of our tougher lists. Then again, I kind of think that every time. But so many different things that you can value here with each individual candidate. So I'm gonna throw it over to you first. Who do you have in the ten spot? Yeah? I first want to say, Carson, this is excruciating to rank these guys, and if the number ten spot, I'm not really confident in my choice, but I'm gonna go with it. At number ten, I have James Harden. This was a last minute audible for me. I took Pages Lyakovitch right off of my list here at the at the last minute, just because I felt like they're at least needed. The one high volume shooter on this list and one of the greatest high volume shooters of all time, and James Harden. He's just good at getting buckets. He is one of the highest three points per game and what I mean by that is points made simply off of three pointers per game at eight point four, although he attempts seven point seven per game, and compared to every other shooter on this list, his percentages are way down. Thirty six point five career three point shooter. But what is in his favor. He's a three time league leader in three pointers made. He has the second highest single season marked for three pointers made in twenty nineteen, the fifth highest mark for single season made three pointers in twenty twenty. Again, the big knock one in No Carson is the rating and the one stat that I used for everybody else above this is how many seasons did they have shooting over forty percent from the field. James Harden only has one and that is this season out of twelve seasons played, so comparative to everybody else, if you want a guy to take one three pointer, Harden's probably not my guy. But I felt one volume shooter needed to be rewarded on my list, so he comes into ten spot. But I am feeling a little remorse leading page off my list, so right away, we are getting into really tough decisions. And Harden is a guy who I have grappled with a bunch. There was a time when I thought he was a lock on my list. He ends up being either my first or second guy off because he's such a unique candidate here, because as you mentioned, his raw percentages maybe don't compare. But that's not the most important thing in this conversation. I don't think now it's certainly unimportant thing. But when you're looking at a guy who has two of the top five single seasons as far as three pointers made of all time, as you mentioned, a three time leader in threes made, already fifth in career three pointers made. Of course the percentages may be lagged behind, but particularly over these last five seasons, when he's making four threes a game, he has completely changed what is possible with this shot, with the step back, which he hits not only at an incredibly high volume but efficiently. This year he's shooting forty two percent on nearly five step backs per game. Last year it was thirty seven percent. The year before that it was thirty nine percent. No matter what it is, as long as it falls in that range you're talking about really good offense that is completely and utterly unguardable. That also changes everything for the guys around you, because defenses are so keyed in on. Okay, what do we have to do when Harden as the ball? And yes, obviously he has prowess in so many other ways getting into lane drawing fouls. But I would say his single greatest weapon is the step back three. And when you're the single greatest weapon of one of the ten best scorers maybe this game has ever seen, then you should probably be a candidate for a top ten shooter of all time. Ultimately, though, although he has shot wall off the catch he's forty plus percent over the last few years, he just hasn't gone to take many I just don't think he is as good of a pure shooter. And when I look at some other guys whose percentages maybe don't quite stack up, I think, Man, they do other things, like they stretch the floor out so far, and Harden does that. He definitely does. His gravity as a shooter goes beyond his raw percentages, and he's one of the most unique three point shooters we've ever had. I end up just leaving him off, though, in favor of some purer shooters, but I don't know. Man if hard and keeps up this pace from beyond the arc, and it's slowed down a little bit in Brooklyn, but it's still pretty exceptional, and as you mentioned, the efficiency is better than it's ever been. I think you'll have to be on this list, but there are so many current guys who are just breaking what we previously thought was possible from deep. Do you think he's the greatest stepback shooter of all time? Absolutely, no question, and it's one of the most valuable shots you can have from beyond the arc. So I don't feel good at all about keeping him off my list. And the more I think about it, the more I wonder if you should be on there. But I don't have him on there. So as I get into my number ten, I want to just clarify a few things that were important in making these decisions for me. So one of the fundamental tenants when talking about sports, in my opinion, is you compare people to their era. Right you say, maybe Bill Russell isn't as skilled as whatever big men you want to choose from today's game, but comparatively to his area, he was so transcendent defensively, YadA, YadA, YadA, that he was still the best among his peers, and that's all that's fair to say, because athletes are constantly getting better. I kind of think three point shooting is the rare exception to that. Now, you don't completely throw era out of the window and just compare raw numbers to raw numbers, because we are going to continue to see growth from beyond the arc. But I also think it's such a unique weapon and that it was introduced obviously relatively late in the sports history, and it wasn't heavily utilized until twenty years ago, and now it's being utilized at a rate that is obviously even exponentially greater than then. So can I put a guy like Larry Bird on my list when he's making less than one three a game, and even though he may have been a class above his peers, it's just the shot itself was so far behind. I don't know if I can, because we're not talking about an all around player here. We're talking about a specific shot. And when you're comparing a specific shot, I kind of feel like it's fair to you say who are the best guys? And if people are constantly getting better at that shot, then you're just gonna have a heavy modern bias. So I do most of the guys I thought are active players, and there's a couple exceptions to that PAGEA is a great retired guy one of my honorable mentions. But who I have at number ten is actually Seth Curry, who has averaged one point eight makes from three a game over his career, not the longest career obviously up to this point, but forty four point four percent from deep, one of the absolute best of all time there in five seasons. His career low is forty two point five percent. And I'll be honest, the guy who pushed hardest for this spot, I would say, alongside Harden. But I kind of decided, Okay, am I going to take an elite catch and shoot guy, or am I going to take James Harden? And then once I ruled out Harden, it came down to these two guys. It's him and Joe Harris, who I think are two of the five best shooters in basketball right now, and so close between the two of them, the difference ended up being to me, Seth just has a little bit of a better handle and accordingly has a little more of a pull up game. I counter argument might be Harris at six six, it's easier for him to get shots off and tight windows and all that. That's a strong enough case, I think, But to me, the creation off the dribble is a slightly bigger difference maker. And again forty four point four percent, now Harris is forty three point seven. I couldn't have any beef with anybody having him on their list, but I ended up going with Seth. So with that, who do you have at number nine? No, this will float perfectly. I have Seth Currey my number nine spot, and I think it's almost mandatory to have Seth on this list. As you mentioned Carson, he's played nearly five full seasons in the league. He has shot over forty percent from deep in every single one of those seasons. I average is five point four or three points per game. And what I've factored in here too as well, Carson, A big factor was playoff percentages and a lot of the guys Carson, especially James Harden, he goes from being a thirty seven and a half or thirty six and a half two or three point shooter to thirty three percent in the playoffs, Seth in limited action is still a forty two and a half percent career three point shooter in the playoffs, He's just a valuable commodity. Also the second highest three point percentage of all time. I mean, Seth is a It's kind of criminal that Seth has been so underrated because of, you know, an overshadowed because of what his brother has done. Because arguably Seth is just as good a shooter. I would say, like, off the catch, now, what step can do with the ball in his hands. I don't think anyone in NBA history compares. But what Seth does off the catch, what Seth can do off the dribble, is really underrated just because he's overshadowed by his older brother. But I think he's a mandatory lock to have on this list. When you were this consistent every single season from deep again, over forty percent every single year, I think he's a lock on anybody's list. He's second all time and three point percentage. As you mentioned, Joe Harris, who I narrowly left off, is fifth. So either way, you're picking between absolute greats. I will say, though, something that works slightly to the disadvantage even if Seth still is the versatility as a shotmaker from deep, which I think is so important and is ultimately more important than your raw percentages, and something that works in Harden's favor for sure. And just one more thing about Seth that's so interesting is people somehow couldn't determine that he was an NBA level talent until he was twenty five, when we both agree he's a top ten shooter of the basketball from beyond the arc, ever, and that is the most important thing that every team is always looking for, just having rotational pieces. And again, he couldn't work his way consistently into rotation until he's twenty six years old, and we've seen him thrive since then and now is obviously doing tremendous things for a Philly team that is in contention. But just crazy to me that people couldn't see that earlier. Okay, so my number nine spot goes to another guy who's primarily doing his work off the catch, I would say even more so than Seth, and that is JJ Redding, who's a career forty one and a half percent three point shooter average two point one makes per game, a one time leader in three point percentage and is definitely in a similar tier to Seth and Harris. Now, Seth and Harris have both shots slightly better, They've also obviously done it for much less time. And I will say that two more guys who I consider who ended up being able to write off relatively early in this conversation, but who I think have real strong cases to be on this list relatively soon, Dovis Burton's and Duncan Robinson, just because I think last year they both had completely historic campaigns where like ninety percent of their shots are coming from beyond the arc, and because of their height and their ability to get shots off quickly, they are changing what is possible as far as just being a pure three point shooters where you can run offense. For them running them off screens all day. They're taking nine threes a night and I've never seen anything like that. Now, they're both not shooting quite as well this year as last year, and I'm not going to put anybody on this list with one years sample size when j has done it for more than fifteen years. But I do think that they're changing what's possible. And I don't know, did you consider either of those guys at all get back to JJ, But I just wanted to mention that because I really do think that they could be on pace for that kind of resume. I mean, percentage wise is where they sit right now. I definitely think they should be in the conversation, but I just wanted guys with a little more sample size before I come, you know, before I concretely put them on the list. You said, I'm sorry Burton's and Robinson correct, Yes, How is Robinson's year shooting for this season? How has that affected your judgment on this list? It has told me that I'm not ready to put him in my top ten shooters of all time because I think he's still at forty percent or so thirty nine percent, and Burton's is at about thirty seven percent. I can't put a guy on because of one year, because there's a possibility that maybe it's a little bit flukey. But I mean, Burton's at six ten and Robinson at sixty seven with one of the quickest releases in basketball. It's just they're being weaponized off ball in a way that we've never seen. But Reddick is maybe not quite the same kind of weapon, but as an earlier and that he's a guy who just runs off screens all day. And the reason he had to be on this list for me compared to Joe Harris is he's one of the best movement shooters we have ever seen. I think he's a better movement shooter than Seth And maybe he doesn't have the handle of those guys, but his ability to hit leaning threes threes while he's still on the move while his feet aren't fully set is one of the most special things we've ever seen. And that's the difference maker to me. Now he act shout under thirty percent from three eight times, his career percentage is still over forty one, as I mentioned, which is insane that eight times missing the forty percent mark is definitely high for this list. But he's better than forty four percent off the catch in six of eight seasons on the record, and God speaks this incredible value there, and that's why he has been not only on NBA rosters for as long as he has, but a really good important player. It's because not only is he lights out when you get the ball to him, but he is lights out in tight window in tight windows, and he's good at getting open off the Ball, maybe even more so than a couple other guys who are exceptionable in this conversation. Now, this is interesting to me, Carson, because I am Joe harrisithy eight spot, which means two of the guys that you have on your list up higher completely miss my list in general. So this list is just going to be wacky as we move on the case for Joe Harris. We've talked about it a lot this season, Carson, Joe Harris is literally having one of the greatest three point shooting seasons of all time, all time efficiency on all time levels of attempts. He's a one time league leader in three point percentage as well, he's one of the most elite catching shooters that we've ever seen fifty five percent this season, he's been lights out alongside the Big three in Brooklyn, and another thing that plays into his favor six three point points per game. In six nearly full seasons played for Joe, he's got four seasons shooting over forty percent. As you've mentioned, he's got the fifth highest career three point percentage. So let me ask you this. So I know that you've mentioned skill sets and how that has played against Joe Harris because he's not an elite. Maybe off the dribble Shooter. Did the longevity factor play in for Joe Harris? Is that another reason why he can't be on your list just yet? Well, it's not a reason that he can't be on my list, but it definitely works against him because him and Seth basically have the same longevity, and I think that Seth is just slightly more impressive at this point, and obviously it's going to work in favor a guy like JJ when he's done it for more than fifteen years. Again, but I do think it comes down to a skill set thing as being the slight factor that determines JJ being above him for me, but I had Joe Harris on my list for a long time, like there was a bunch of tankering. And I'm not surprised that I have two guys above who you don't have at all, because I think there's so many different directions you can go here. Yeah, and I have JJ a little bit higher on my list as well, So I'm just ready for this roller coaster. Okay, So we may be getting surprising up in here. I have Kyle Korver in my number eight spot and Basically the reason for this is I don't have guys in my top five who are pure catch and shoe players. And Kyle Korver is alongside Klay Thompson, who I don't think he's a pure catch and shoe player, but maybe the greatest catch and shoe guy of all time. There's a case to be made. Forty two point nine percent from deep in his career averages two exper game, a four time league leader in three point percentage. His career worst is thirty seven and a half. He's been forty plus percent in twelve of seventeen career seasons and had a six year stretch reshot forty six point two percent from deep, and I think is a class above even Reddick or Seth Curry or Joe Harris or any of them. He's six seven, which just makes him such a lethal weapon off the catch. It's what I'm talking about with the Duncan Robinson factor, where it doesn't really matter how contested he is. He's such a dead eye, but his handle is just pretty limited. And to me, that's the reason I can't have him higher now. I certainly thought about it. I thought about having him in my top five. There was a time when I did, but I looked at the guys around him, and I was like, is this logically consistent? And if I say, okay, Kyle Korver is at number four, but then JJ Reddick's at number nine, I don't know that it is because there's such similar players in Korver is just a slightly better iteration, So I end up coming him in with him at number eight. He is an otherworldly pure shooter, but just can't do it in quite as many ways as the rest of the guys who I have above him. I have Kyle Corver way higher. The longevity factors certainly played a big factor into why he ranked so high. The consistency from percentage, the percentage aspect, the consistency from a catch and shoot aspect, the I just pure longevity and how many three pointers he has made total. All of those played into why I have Corver higher. So I'll get into that one I do. But at number seven, I have a guy that you've already talked about in JJ Reddick, and the big knock on him, the big knock why I couldn't have JJ higher. Again, you've touched on it off the dribble aspects are certainly one of them. But the biggest thing was the seven to fifteen season shooting over forty percent. Everybody higher on my list was just a little more consistent in percentage wise. You know, eighty percent of their seasons were over forty percent, and that was the key stat for me, just seasons where you were shooting over forty percent. Still, it's very impressive. Six point three three points per game in the regular season, five point one three points per game in the playoffs. Another thing that knocked him down for me. In the playoffs, he's dropped off. He's only a thirty seven point one percent career three point shooter in the playoffs, but he led the league in three point percentage. He's had one of the longest three point careers of all time. And he's just he's a really good off ballshooter, and you can use him in so many different ways, off of screens, off of picks at the top of the key, in the corner, or wherever you want. He's deadly. But those factors are what played into him and why I couldn't rank JJ any higher. Okay, so my number seven is another guy who I think maybe controversial in this list. He was completely off of my list for most of the time, and then I ended up kind of taking a hard look in the mirror and being like, if I need one three, am I really taking ten plus guys over him? I have Kevin Durant in my number seven spot, and obviously the percentage is not going to quite compare. He's thirty eight point two percent from deep in his career, as one of the lower ones on this list. He only has one point nine three pointers made in his career per game, which is one of the lower marks on this list. But I guess the difference is that he can literally get a shot off whenever he wants, and obviously the handle plays into that. The fact that he has six ten certainly plays into that. But I just think if Kevin Duran in a different world didn't have this phenomenal handle and just purely had the shooting ability, he would be Davis Berton's right. You would just run him off screens all day and he would be one of the most lethal shooters in basketball off the catch. The difference is he could be that he isn't, but he also is one of the greatest one on one shot makers from beyond the ark and basketball, And obviously, if we were doing greatest shooters period incorporating mid range, he's probably number one on my list all time. Obviously throws Steph Curry in there as well, but he's I think one of the greatest midrange shooters we've ever seen. I think he's arguably the most versatile scorer we've ever seen. And if you do look at what he's done off the catch, because I think that's a fairer comparison in some ways, because his degree of difficulty is higher doing so much off the dribble. He has five straight season shooting forty plus percent on catches shoot threes. His last three years he's been forty seven percent, forty one percent, in forty nine percent. And when you watch a NETS game right now that he is doing a little more off the catch. Every single time he gets the ball, you think it's going to go in. And because he is such a lethal off ball shooter in that way, again, his shot is completely unaffective. You just look at two of the greatest aggers he's hit in the sports history. Dudes are right in his mouth. It does not matter because you cannot affect his shot. And because he does have such a lethal handle. All of that, to me is enough to say, even if maybe the volume isn't there, even if the percentage isn't there, it's because I know that he's good at so much else, that he can do so much from the mid range, that that's why maybe those numbers aren't a little higher, and that because he does take so many shots off the dribble, which are just inherently tougher. But at the end of the day, I felt a little weird having him off my list. I don't know if he is the absolute best catch and shoot guy. I mean, I think he's pretty exceptional there, but the all around skill set, to me is why I have him at number seven. I let the numbers dictate my decisions on this list a little more, and that's ultimately why I left Kadi off of my lists. Again. You mentioned at the thirty eight point two career three point percentage in the playoffs thirty five point two percent, and his attempts to points for a game from deep were a little misleading as well, or excuse me, a little unimpressive. I guess four point nine three point attempts only five point seven points in the playoffs, six point two three point attempts to only sit six point six three points, and then you mentioned the five seasons over forty percent he's played thirteen total. I do want to do a separate list, though, Carson, and maybe maybe we'll do this after a hounorable mentions, because it's hard for me to discern between guys I want taking a last second three and just greatest shooters of the basketball, because I do think Katie is one of the greatest shooters ever from deep for mid ranges. You mentioned Eddie were on the floor and I and Katie is definitely one of the top ten guys I want taking a shot with you five seconds on the clock. So if it's cool with you, Carson, I say we run down another separate top ten guys we want taking a last second shot, because it doesn't sit well with me either that I left Katie completely off my list. Yeah, I think that. To me, it just comes down to again, I don't think the percentages tell you how great of a shooter he actually is, but I can understand having him off because he just doesn't compare in that respect to some of the other guys. He's five and a half percent worse from three in his career than Joe Harris, who is not on my list. So I get it, but I felt like I had to have him here because of the skill set. All right, So let's move on to your number six. Who do you have? This may come as a shock to a lot of people with how low I have this guy, but at number six, I have Ray Allen. And you know, he's the all time leader in three points three pointers made two thousand, nine hundred and seventy three. He led the league in three pointers made three times, but the one and he's got the fourteenth most three he's made in a single season. That was two thousand and six with the Sonics. He made two hundred and sixty nine and that record stood for a long time until you know, a little guy named Steph Curry came along. The number that really played against Ray was his total seasons over forty percent out of nineteen seasons played. He only shot over forty percent eight times. And I know that number probably shouldn't dictate as much as it should. Ray Allen shot a lot of shots off of the dribble. He's made a lot of you know, he was the he was a leading man for a lot of different teams Carson, and that is I think the reason why his percentages got so low. That's why they got so much better when his role was just simply to be a catch and shooter in Miami in Boston. But those numbers matter to me only a forty percent career three point shooter. That number doesn't drop off in the playoffs, So that was extremely impressive to me. With forty point one percent in the playoffs as a three point shooter, raised obviously a lot to be on this list, but because of what he had to do, I guess ear later in his career, and it feels wrong with me to have to hold that against him because he had to be that ball dominant score back early in his career, But I do because this percentage is just aren't nearly as impressive as some of the other guys on the list, despite him taking nearly six a game in an arrow where guys weren't doing that, and taking nearly seven a game in the playoffs when guys still weren't doing that. But again, I let the percentages dictate most of my list, and Ray doesn't really hold a candle in that regard. That's interesting because I would say that the fact that he was able to be a superstar with the three as far and away his primary weapon. I think he's the first guy to ever do that, And you can argue Reggie. I don't think that Reggie's primary weapon was the three point shot. I think it was just the jump shot in general. He was doing way more for midrange, whereas Ray's taking eight plus three is a game and that was just ahead of its time and knocking them down at forty percent. So I do have him higher. It's interesting. I think that he's overrated all in all because people will tell you he's on par with Steph Curry or that he's better than Clay Thompson. I don't think either of those are very close to being true. But I do have him higher than number six. It's interesting though. All Right, Logan, I'm about to make you angry, have a feeling. I am pretty confident this is going to be the other guy who you don't have on your list, and I don't let you look into my screen. I want to be the one to tell you who it is. I have buddy healed sixth and you can leave. That's fine, because I know that maybe he's not having his best shooting season right now. But what I will say is he is shooting the ball at a volume and in a variety of ways that we have almost never seen in this sport early in his career, and Logan House is now completely left fine by me. But he has made two point nine three is a game in his career thus far. That is fourth all time. He's done it at a forty point five percent clip, hasn't gone below thirty nine percent from deep yet in his career. Now he's at thirty seven this year. That is the lowest, but that's not over a full season. He has two of the top eleven single season marks as far as three pointers made. And I just think the difference maker between him and some other guys is he has the combination of being so lethal off the dribble and off the catch. I'm sorry, you can't tell me that a guy who cannot get his own shot from deep like Buddy can is a better shooter than him when off the catch. His career marks have been forty two percent, forty six percent, fifty percent, and forty one percent. And I know you're frustrated that he's not having his best season, but that doesn't take away what he's done previous. I think that he is one of the most lethal deep shooters in the history of this game. He does not need anything more than a very tight window. And again, his handle is on a different level than some of these other guys, and so he is so deadly off the dribble, and that's a difference maker to me. So I have Buddy healed a number six. He is through the first few years of his career, arguably off to the best shooting start of any player ever. Carson, whatever you're putting in that pike, please pass it over here and let me smoke some of it because there's no pipe. Dude, I'm gonna quit. Do you even watch a nerd sesh? I broke down last week? Why, Buddy? I mean, he has steadily dropped off as a catch and shooter forty one percent. Last year he was a fifty percent catch and shooter. And I don't want to take away what he's done in the past, but he has steadily dropped off thirty five percent as a catch and shooter this year, and it does matter in my opinion. Look, he has been consistent as anybody, but hold up, I do want to clarify something too, You have Katie lower than Buddy. Heal. Now, the numbers would probably give Buddy an edge in this short career that he's had. But I'm just lost, man. I think this is your worst take ever. No, it's certainly not my worst take ever. So you want me to hold thirty games against the guy who has not steadily dropped off? As you say, this is his first time a little forty percent off the catch Logan. And by the way, here's the selling point that maybe I didn't emphasize enough. He's one of the greatest pull up three point shooters we have ever seen. This year he's knocking down thirty nine percent on almost four a game. That's ridiculous production. Last year he was better than thirty seven percent on four and a half a game. You're a little Kyle Korver. Buddy couldn't dream of it. He can't handle a ball. He handles it like Logan Canton out there. It's just he's a different kind of weapon because of his handle. The year before that, he's thirty seven and a half percent on three attempts per game, Like this is just a different kind of player than a bunch of other guys we've seen historically, and again I will say he is fourth and three pointers made per game of all time, and I just think he's gonna sustain that mark. Look at what he's doing this year, like, yeah, this is the worst shooting season of his career, right, and yet I think he's taking eleven a game and is still one of the most unique weapons in the sport. Or he's taking ten a game and making thirty seven percent of him His last three years are again all in the last two were in the top eleven as far as single season three pointers made, and he's on pace to do even better than those last two years. Number six on my list. That was a cheap shot. I got mad love for you, Carson, so was, but that was a cheap shot because I didn't like you saying it was my worst take of all time. All Right. I think that Buddy is underappreciated in how historically unique he is as a shooter. Skill set wise. I will give you Buddy over guys like Corver Reddick, Joe Harris. I will always take take a consistent catching shooter like Joe Harris. I mean, percentage wise, whatever you want to look at and dude, don't knock. Joe Harris is still a great moving shooter, and I'll give Buddy the pull up jumpers whatever. Joe is just a more consistent three point shooter. Maybe because of the degree of his difficulty of his shots isn't as high. I just Buddy should not be on your list. Okay, let me ask you this, then, who's a better shooter, Damian Lillard or Joe Harris Joe? Okay we disagree, then well, I mean, if you're talking, are we counting degree of because I'm talking pure shooter. I want Joe like degree of difficulty included. I'll take Dame. So I think that the distance from which you can shoot the ball, your ability to shoot off the dribble, and all of that makes you ultimately getting more complete shooter. If we're just picking guys, like if a dude is If a dude's primary weapon is his three point shot, right, and he's an all star level player or a true superstar, and another guy's primary weapon is his three point shot and he scores twelve points a game or whatever, I think there's a reason for that. It's because you can't run an offense round. Joe Harris you just can't do it. Yeah, he's a good movement shooter. He's not a Burton Robinson even JJ Reddick level movement shooter. And none of those guys are handling even close to the the level we see from Buddy Like. That's why he can throw up ten plus of them a game and make again forty percent of them Logan, he isn't shop below thirty nine percent, with the exception of this season, which we've seen thirty four games of. So he's a special historic talent as a shooter of the basketball. And I know that he's not playing his best all around hoops right now, but that's not really because of what he's doing from beyond the arc. It's partly because of it because this is a down season by his standards, but it's still a really good shooting season by league wide standards. I'm just I'm just gonna let you hang on your buddy heels Island, all right, I will. So let's get into the top five. Then who do you have fifth? Number five? I've got another guy may be shocked to be is low on my list. I expect him to be a little bit higher. Reggie Miller is at number five, thirty nine and a half career three point shooter thirty nine percent in the playoffs, He's a little lower than Reggie. But the thing that the distinction that I made between the two. Again, I would say that Ray Allen is probably a better pure score. Reggie had ten seasons over forty percent from deep. He played eighteen total, much better than Ray. He led the league in three pointers made twice, and again he just chucked up a bunch of game four and a half attempts preing night five point four to three points per game. In the playoffs five and a half three pointers attempted at night, six point six three pointers made per game. He's third most in career three pointers made. And for me, it was it was just the fact that Reggie was just a little more consistent than Ray. And again, I think we can chalk up the degree of difficulty. Reggie was a lot of spot up, a lot of off of screens. Even though I don't want to get away, he's still an excellent step back, an excellent creator. I think off the dribble he didn't get enough credit for. But and his height definitely plays a factor in having him over Ray just a little more harder to get up in his face, get up in his rill to contest those shots. But the consistency year to year ten out of eighteen to me over eight out of nineteen was just a better stat for me. So that is why I have Reggie Overay. Okay, so I actually have Reggie in my five spot as well, and you read off a bunch of the stats. I just think Hughes was such an exceptional shooter in tight windows, if it's off the catch or off the dribble, he just did not need much space at all, and as you mentioned at six seven, could get that shot off really easily. So the volume isn't there, although the playoff volume increases, and I do think that's telling him. By the way, one of the best parts about Reggie's career is he always got better in the playoffs. He's better across the board in the playoffs, and I think that's why he's been so immortalized historically, even though I think he's one time third team All MBA or something like that. And this is a tough one to gauge because if Reggie were born in this era, would he be even higher than this. I think it's very possible ultimately though, he wasn't and yeah, he was an absurd jump shooter, but again a lot of that was from mid range, and maybe that's because people didn't understand the value of the three yet. But that's kind of just the reality of the situation. Like if people are using the shot better now, they're using the shot better now, and I do think that's maybe something that doesn't give Reggie his full credit. At the same time, his efficiency probably doesn't compare to some of the other candidates up here. Thirty nine point five percent from deep is a great number, good enough to be top five in both of our lists. It doesn't compare to number one or number two or anything like that. So Reggie has to be here for sure, in the top ten. But I think he's another guy who people might slightly overstate as far as all time rankings, and for good reason, I guess, because for a decent portion of the history of the sport, he was the greatest three point shooter they've ever seen, and then Ray Allen was the greatest three point shooter they've ever seen. You just have to understand how much better a guy like Steph Curry is than both of them. But we'll get to Steph in due time. So who do you have a number four? Number four? I have a phoenix's very own Steve Nash. And I wouldn't fault somebody for not having Steve on their list because there are certainly a lot of factors that play into why Steve is so different from other guys. Like I want I want to contextualize who do I want shooting a last second jump shot for me, Damian Lillard or Steve Nash? I want Dane? Do I want Kevin Durant shooting the last second jump shot for me? Or do I want Steve Nash? What I obviously want KD. But percentage wise, the consistency at which Steve shot the three ball. Fourteen of his eighteen seasons, he was over forty percent from deep. He has the eleventh highest career three point percentage in NBA history, the twenty fifth most career three pointers made it one thousand, six hundred and eighty five. But another factor that I do think plays against Steve is the volume of which he was shooting it. So many of his shots came from the mid range with floaters, and obviously more of his game was based in getting the ball to other guys and playing that lead assists man, it's why he won two MVPs and that super high running gun system back in the mid two thousands. But you know, you know, he only shot three a game for his career in the regular season, only shot four a game in the playoffs. But his percentage stay high in the playoffs, nearly a forty one percent career shooter in there in the playoffs four point two three pointers per night in the regular season, four and a half three points per game in the playoffs. He was just extremely consistent, and I think that deserves to be rewarded the longevity of his career. How effective he was. Now efficient he was, and again the biggest one fourteen. At eighteen seasons he was over forty percent from deep I think that needs to be rewarded. So I had Steve on my list for a while. He ends up being one of my tougher cuts. And I would say the primary reason is he never weaponized the three like other guys did. And you mentioned the consistency. The efficiency is stupid. Thirteen of his first fourteen years he was better than forty percent from beyond the arc, and the one year under he still shot better from three than he did from two. I guess I would just say the differences at six three and being a primary ball handler, you're not going to see him weaponized off the catch, right, You're not going to see him running off screens and all that. And it's not like he shot a bunch of pull up threes. You mentioned one point four makes per game. That would be easily the lowest mark of anybody on my list, and I do think that that's telling. Now, he could have maybe been a deadlier shooter above the break, but he wasn't. He kind of just shot threes when they were wide open. Go back and watch Steve Nash shots, And I do think that that's part of the reason why he was so disgustedly efficient, is he kind of just took good shots. And he's a great shooter of the basketball, absolutely. Obviously the free throw percentage is telling to his prowess as an all around shooter as well. But I just don't think he actually had the versatility that maybe you would think he did at the point guard spot that maybe like might work to his advantage in some people's minds, because I honestly think JJ Reddick was a more impressive shooter of the basketball because of what we've seen him do again off movement, coming off screens and tight windows and all that. You didn't see as much of that from Steve Nash. So I can hold it against you having him, I will say, I don't think he can be above Reggie or Ray because just of their difficult three point shot making, I think is the difference of their ability to in those final moments get you a shot no matter who's in their face and nail it. And that's not just anecdote. I don't think that's very clearly because of their height, because of their release point, because of the quickness of their release, all these things that make them just deadlier in those spots. You could run off ball action for them, all these things. That's just a level above Nash. And so I would say the only thing that works in his advantage is pure three point percentage. Could be over Buddy Healed? Could he be over Buddy Healed? Yeah? I would say the reason would be longevity, though, is the thing that I can conceivably think of. I guess the argument against Buddy to me would be if he doesn't shoot at this clip for his entire career. But if he does, I think he belongs exactly where I have him, and I have every reason to think that he will. So Buddy, healed my number six, my number four, though I don't think you're gonna have this guy on your list. In fact, I pretty much know that you won't. I have Damian Lillard. So it's an interesting one because he has shot the lowest percentage from three of anybody on my list. He does average two point nine makes per game throughout his career that he's the second most of all time, only two the three point god Steph Curry, and I just think you kind of got to go to the eye test here. He, alongside Steff, has changed what we thought was possible from deep and that's part of the argument four Harden. I would say, Is it really that there's that pig of a gap between Dame and Harden as a shooter where I can tolerate Dame's relatively low percentage. I don't know, but I think there's a few reasons why I can. So. First off, I just want to talk about everything he's so exceptional at as a shooter. He is the master of the leaning three. He's also alongside Harden, the master of drawing fouls on threes, which maybe doesn't go into this list, but he is the best guy at trying to draw a foulet, leaning in for contact, not getting the call, and still making the shot. Like every time he shoots the ball off balance, I am terrified if I am the other team and he's stupid good off the catch forty six percent this year, So again tells you that the percentages are just not fair to him because he's taking such tougher shots because he has to to ultimately elevate his team's offense insane range obviously, and he's a guy who's really gotten better at shooting throughout his career. His past two years are two of the three best in his career by efficiency on career high volume, and we're seeing him add things to his bag. I would say drawing fouls on threes is a relatively new thing in his bag over the past few years. This year he's shooting forty three percent on seventy two step back attempts. Last year he was over fifty percent on step backs. It was one hundred and twenty or something in total, and his last three years, this to me is ultimately the reason why I have to have him here thirty nine percent on two hundred and thirty two shots from thirty to thirty nine feet. You can genuinely argue maybe it can't, but he's the second greatest deep shooter of all time. Like, if we're talking five feet beyond the arc, it's not close. It's him, Steff and nobody else. And what that does to stretch out a defense where you have to double the high pick and roll. If a guy sets a screen thirty five feet out where he's legitimately a threat from the logo, that is a level of gravity. To me is the primary reason Damian Lillard is a superstar that he is today. You can talk about his athleticism, his ability to get down hill, draw fowls, and they're all of that. What starts it it is the fact that he can shoot the ball in your mouth from thirty five feet out and hit it efficiently. It's not Trey Young. Trey Young is a dazzling shooter from deep, but you look at the percentages and they don't compare to Dames or Steph's. These guys are not only stretching out the court like that, they're doing it efficiently, and that to me is why I have Dame here, because honestly, Logan, I think his best shooting years are right now in ahead of him. He has gotten considerably better in that respect in my opinion, and again, off the ball, he is still so dangerous. So like, am I going to look myself in the mirror for one second say yeah, Joe Harris is a better, more valuable shooter than Damian Lillard. No, I can't do it, and I just think it would be holding a robber centers against Dame, against him, unfairly against him. It is ultimately the product of situation and of skill set. So I have Dame number four. What do you think about that? Bravo, thank you. That was beautiful. Thank you. No, there is certainly a case that he made for game, and I thought about having him on my list for a long time. He's on my shortlist of honorable mentions Carson. Out of the out of everybody that I looked at, Damian Lillard has the highest has the third highest mark for three point three points per game in the in the regular season and in the playoffs, only behind my guys in the one in two spot. He's got in the regular season eight point seven three point points per game. In the playoffs nine three point points per game. He is, He's electrics. He is one of the greatest shooters of all time, and folks, I mistakenly hild a raw percentage against him. So so let me ask you this, Then you would have considered James Harden a better candidate than Damian Lillard. Why is that? Now? I feel foolish now for Okay, okay, yeah, to me, it's just I don't know, man, The deep shot making literally changes everything with this offense. I guess the only thing that I was looking at with Harden was really just a step back three in general, and he kind of just dazzled me with that. So yeah, I kind of got hit with the baton switch there well. And I definitely looked long and hard at hardened too. I just think, I don't know, man, When Dame is shooting the ball, it is to me the third most terrifying experience in basketball, second to only Steph Curry and Lay Thompson. And he's just flat out gotten better at it. So that's why I have him at my number four spot. All right, let's get into the top three. Who do you have third, I don't want to make this case anymore. I have Kyle Corvert in my three spot. I feel like a dunce, you know, No, make the case. Yeah, we're he's good at shooting, shooting off the catch. The consistency factor plays in for cover. Twelve of his seventeen seasons, he shot over forty percent for deep. He's got the tenth highest career three point percentage in NBA history. He's a four time league leader in three point percentage. He's a one time league leader in three pointers made. Yeah, I mean when you look at the raw skill sets, though, he didn't really compare to a guy like Damian letterator James Harden. So I'm just gonna wrap this one up. Don't undersell Corver. Corver is. As I said earlier, I think there's a strong case who made he is the third best catch and shooter of all time. So stick to your guns, man, I don't want to anymore. It's all right, then, don't stick to your guns. But I told you I tinkered with Corver up at four. Like. This is a tough one because you can value so many different things. As we've seen, there's probably as much disparity in this list as we've ever had, because it's just it's a unique thing to rank. So all right, My number three, though is Ray Allen, And I think that you gave most of the stats and I guess the one that you would hold against him is he's below forty percent that nine times, and that's fair enough. But I just think his ability off the catch, his ability coming off screens, leaning and as I said earlier, I think arguably the first guy to turn the three into his primary weapon. He was taking eight plus three's a game, and Reggie, if you compare it to him, only topped six per game once, and that matters, right, was putting up twenty five a game. And yeah, obviously people talk about, oh, he was so much of a better athlete back then than what you saw later in his career, and so much more effective around the rim, and all that can be true, and yet it can also be true that the reason he was able to get to that point is because he was at that point the greatest shooter of the league I'd ever seen. So I think we just saw him excel both in the roles as that on ball creator. If it's in Seattle, if it's in Milwaukee, where he's still knocking down forty plus percent of his attempts on a really high volume. And then we also saw him thrive as that off ball guy a little more in Boston and then fully in Miami. So that's why I've right at number three. I just think he's so versatile and the volume is there, and yeah, the forty percent is obviously exceptional. It's not as good as probably a chunk of the guys on this list, but I don't think that that is the only stat that matters here. So as we work our way into the top two, Logan, I think you and I are going to agree. Who do you have? Second? No, I mean when doing research for this, to me, there was no question who is going to be in the top two spots. At number two, I've got one half of the Splash Brothers. I've got Clay Thompson forty one point nine percent career three point percentage, fourteenth highest in league history, and the number that I was referring to with Damian Lillard. Only Clay and Steph have higher marks in three pointers three points points per game eight point seven for Clay in the regular season. Actually, no, that was a cap stat. Clay and Damien are literally tied for the exact same amount of points per game from deep in the regular season and playoffs. Interestingly enough, eight point seven in the regular season, nine in the playoffs. But again, the stat had really mattered to me in ranking most of these guys. Clay has been over forty percent from deep in every single season of his career eight total. He's got the ninth most three pointers made in a single season in twenty seen, the fifteenth most three pointers made in a single season in twenty seventeen. And my favorite number for Clay is he does not change at all in the playoffs. Again, most of his game is based on catching shoot attempts off of screens in the corner. When guys find him, he goes from a forty one point nine percent shooter in the regular season from deep to only forty one point five in the playoffs. He's just absolutely elite. And already in Clay's short eight season career, he's nineteenth on the most career three pointers made leaderboard. And that's what I think about what's so exceptional about Clay Carson and why I think he will continue to hold this spot. I don't think I'll ever get to number one just because Steff is one of the most exceptional shooters of all time. But I think Clay can suffer all of these injuries and come back and still be the same player because his game isn't based on, you know, this raw athleticism. His game is just up and down, that smooth stroke that he has just Wetton shots in the bucket, and I don't think that's gonna go away even with all the knee injuries, the leg injuries. I think Clay is going to come back and be the same raw shooter that we've seen for eight seasons. Yeah, so Clay is my number two as well. And it's interesting because I talked so much about versatility as a shooter and how essential that is, and I think when you think of Clay, you think catch and shoot. There's a couple of things though, So I think as his handle has improved and it's still not a good handle by NBA Star standards, but it's better than what it was, we've seen him improve a little bit as a shooter off the balance. He's forty plus percent on pull ups over the past couple of years, whereas previously he could be in the twenties because he just didn't take that many and he didn't have that ability to create space at all. But I guess the difference to me between Clay and other guys is, first of all, the height right at six to seven, where he can just be that guy in tight windows and it doesn't matter if you've a hand in his face or whatever, he's going to get his shot off. The quickness of his release also, I think it's one of the quickest shots that we've ever seen in basketball. And then I think he's the greatest off balance shooter ever throw step into that same tier. But it's certainly him above a class with anybody else from any angle quickly with anybody in his face. I've just never seen anybody shoot the ball like Clay Thompson. And you mentioned the consistency every year under year above forty percent. The two point nine makes per game is third all time. I think Dame has him by like a decimal of a make per game, and so Dame a second in Clay is third. But they're very close, obviously as the single game record for three pointers made. But even if I don't know, maybe he's not the shooter off the dribble that dame is he's so much better off the catch that I couldn't have anybody else here. And I don't think he's a beneficiary just of playing alongside steps, so we look at him differently. No, he's a guy who was able to become a superstar in this league only because of his shot. I talked about how Ray was the guy who was the first one to become a superstar primarily because of his three point shot. Clay Thompson. Obviously the defense is part of it as well, but he was a twenty something per game scorer when he couldn't create off the dribble at all. Even if maybe he's a little better now, it's still not a strength of his game. Comparatively, he can get you twenty five and night, he can get you sixty in a single game just by shooting the ball from beyond the arc that we've never seen. That is the difference maker between him and other guys who are great shooters off the catch. It's not just because of the situation. He is exceptional in that respect, and there's a reason that other guys who we think of as great all time shooters become role players for their careers, and there's one guy who became one of the great players of all time because of his shooting, and Klay Thompson is that one guy. So that's why I have him at number two, number one. If anybody's listening and they have any beef with the selection, go back to your time machine. And because you must be super old great. I mean, who are they gonna take Carson of George Gervin, Like, like, what old head are you taking? Kate Maravich. That's a good take. I like that one. I'm actually going with a Sam Dietrich, local star of my high school basketball team. He wants he wants hit a five threes against Goochland. He's undefeated as a starter. His kid's a beast. No, actually, we're going with Steph Curry. There's really no other choice. I really question your basketball knowledge in general if you don't have Steff as your greatest shooter of all time. Forty three point four career percent from behind the arc on his career, seventh highest in NBA history. He attempts eight and a half a game in the regular season, scoring nearly eleven three point points per game, and the playoffs that number even goes up to nearly thirteen a night. He's a forty point one percent three point shooter in the playoffs, five time league leader in three pointers made, he's leading this season as well. Eleven seasons over forty percent from deep. That's every single season of his career except last year when he only played five games. And the stat that really puts a cherry on the top of all of this second most career three pointers made already, but also he has the best single season three point the best single season mark of all time with four hundred and two and twenty sixteen, the third highest in twenty nineteen, the fourth highest in twenty seventeen, the seventh highest in twenty fifteen. Yeah, I don't really know how you could argue against it, Carson, No, you can't. And you give all the stats there right where it's the greatest volume on all time efficiency maybe not number one all time, but top ten all time. What have you? And never shot under forty one percent from deep in a single season, taking away the time he played six games last year, And what is the difference to me and always will be is his ability to do it off the dribble. Since they began tracking this in twenty thirteen fourteen. He only has one season below forty percent on pull up threes, and they're from so deep, so consistently, he's forty two percent in his career from thirty to thirty four feet seventy two of one hundred and seventy one. Now, I will say another thing that's so special about Dame Steph, who we think of as the greatest deep huter of all time, right, has taken one seventy one in those seven years or whatever. Dam in his last three years has taken two hundred and thirty two from thirty plus feet. Like, he just takes it to a different level there as far as volume. But yeah, I don't know how you could possibly look in the mirror and say anybody else. I mean, look at what Steph's doing with his handle where he's off balance. He's got a dude right in his face, maybe even has his back to the basket, and he turns around. He just throws that thing up and he wets it and doesn't matter the range, doesn't matter, the degree of difficult, he doesn't matter who's guarding him. It's a weapon like we have never seen in basketball history. And again then he makes forty three point four percent of them, and he hit two of the most insane I've ever seen in that game a couple of weeks ago, when it's some magic a game, he's double teamed, just in your mouth, he hits another one to take the leads. It doesn't make any sense that a guy can take this high degree of difficulty of shots consistently and still be this high on the all time leaderboard in percentages. As much as we love quantifying things here at nerd Sez, I almost feel like I don't even need to explain this one. Like, watch this dude play one game of basketball, assuming he's not having a terrible game, and who to see how different of a level he is at and when he gets going, it's just over. It's over. So yeah, it's all time efficiency, it's all time volume, and it's on all time degree of difficulty, and he just makes it look easy when everybody else would look like a fool trying to do what he does. So even compared to Dame right, who I commend just for his ability to stretch the floor and hit him at a basically just above league average clip steph hits those shots at an all time clip all time, so you have no case for anybody else. All right, let's talk honorable mentions here. So I feel like we've already touched on a couple of them. But who were some of the toughest guys for you to leave off? Like I said, first off for me was Paja. Thirteen of the seasons, he shot eight of them over forty percent. He's twenty second and career three pointers made. He led the league once in total three pointers made. The next guy was Steve Kerr. Steve just really didn't have the volume compared to other guys, and it sucks just because that was kind of the era. And then you mix in just the skill set. Steve was a pure catching shooter criminally get his own shot struggled at that. He only attempted one point eight per game in the regular season, so he was a tough cut despite being the career leader in a three point percentage. Another for me Carson was Drazen Petrovitch. In his short he was like ten on my list for a while. I really thought about putting him on their three seasons over forty percent, and only his four seasons played. Again, the volume of it kind of played against him. The only shot two at night. The next guy, Carson, Chris Middleton almost made my list. I tried to make a really hard push for him. Thirty nine and a half percent in the regular season. Carson, this man turns into a different beast when it comes playoff time. He's a forty two point two three point shooter in the playoffs. The man's an absolute beast. Milwaukee, you need to keep him around. Obviously, Katie was close, Larry Bird was close as well. Dirk Bradley, Beale, Damian Lillard, and actually Joe Johnson were all pretty close cuts for me. Again, I tried to make a case for most of those guys, and I think all of them do to an extent, except for Joe percentage wise, he was just kind of a you know, volume shooter, made a bunch of All Star games in a really weak East. But those were all of my really close cuts that I mentioned. Any guys that you didn't have, Yes, Actually there were a few of them. I didn't really consider Petrovitch all that hard. I didn't consider Beale, I didn't consider Middleton. Would you have had Middleton above Katie in your rankings? Get a load of this guy, okay, man, I don't know what's going on in that nogging of yours over there. I would like to give you all one more Steph Curry stats. So you mentioned his record four hundred two three pointers made, right, one other guy's ever cracked three hundred. It's just ridiculous. It's like Jerry Rice, but basketball and shooting the ball from beyond the arc. All right, So my honorable mentions, a few of them are already listed off. Joe Harris, James Harden. Those are my two toughest cuts. Nash was my third toughest. I will say Steve Kurr, obviously the all time leader in three point percentage forty five point four, has as many seasons over fifty percent from deep as he does under forty percent. A stat like that will just make your brain explode. It's four of each, by the way. The reason for that, though, is also because you have more outliers when you have a smaller sample size and courage. Didn't shoot nearly as many threes as guys do today, and when he did, they were pretty wide open. So he's got a case, I guess, but I don't really think he does, just because, like, why would you take him over a Seth Curry or a Joe Harris or one of those guys who's shooting forty four percent on such higher volume with a little more degree of difficulty and all that. So shout out Kur though I did have Page I here, I think maybe a little ahead of his time, and just another guy who's such a nominal all around player and particularly shooter of the basketball, as I mentioned Duncan Robinson, Davis Berton's. I thought about Kyrie Irving just because I think his shot making off the dribble is absolutely transcendent. He's thirty nine percent for his career, and maybe we don't think about him as, you know, an all time three point shooter because so much of what he does is just that dazzling midrange stuff and finishing around the rim. But I think we're going on five straight seasons at thirty nine plus percent from deep, and again career average of thirty nine percent. So if I'm looking for one shot off the dribble, He's on my list of top ten guys, just maybe not quite as strong all around. CJ. McCollum another guy I considered. I think he's better than forty percent for his career, A bunch of that off the dribble as well. Paul George, another superstar player who I think has the number six single season three pointers made spot at two ninety two, and indeed he does, and the season we're seeing from him right now, where he's having the greatest shooting season on that volume ever at forty seven point something percent on like eight attempts a game, one of the greatest shooting seasons of all time. Trey Young, Obviously I couldn't have put him here, but I do think that he is one of the most unique shooters we've ever seen, and that he has that Dame esque ability to stretch the floor, just not quite as good at it. And then besides that, nobody who's really keeping me up at night. I did write down a bunch of names, though. I wrote down Jeff Hornerchack, even though he didn't really utilize the three as much, just because I mean, he was primarily a mid range guy, but he was deadly when he shot the three. Mitch Richmond, one of the best volume shooters of his era. I wrote down Duck mc gurnamans just because I don't know, man, I dude shoots laser beams and you could make a case for a bunch of current guys. I don't know. Gary Trent Junior is like playing at the level of I could be a top ten shooter of all time someday. No case right now, though. And I also wrote down Glenn Rice, I would say, one of the great shooters before these supermodern era. And I wrote down Dale ellis one of the great tall shooters of all time. If you will, I'm surprised we've gone this foreign honorable mentions and we haven't mentioned Bubble Jamal Murray the greatest shooter of all time. That's true. I will also point out when you asked me if there were any guys who you had who I didn't have, I forgot to mention that I do not have Larry Bird. I'm honorable mentions. I just don't know that I can. Ye, Yeah, he's absolutely one of the greatest shooters of all time. But when you're making less than one three a game and on thirty seven point six percent, like, yeah, he obviously could have been something different, but he wasn't. So do you want to run down are like shooters with inclosing seconds? Yeah? I don't have that list, but you can go ahead, because I saw you writing down some days. I mean, do you have that on the top of your dome from beyond the Arc? Yeah? Go ahead, you do yours first, all right. I would have Stuff one. I'd have Katy two, I'd have Dame three. I'd probably have Bird four. Look, I know that he's not like an all time No, no, that's fair. I'd have Dirt five. I'd have Harden six, CP three seven, d Book eight, I'd have Clay nine. And at ten, i'd have Chris Middleton nobs, No, genuinely, I might have Middleton, all of those guys. He just gets his shot off automatically. Okay. I agree with your top three. And I think there's a case to be made for Larry at four definitely, and some of his greatest threes of all time are in those clutch moments, right because if that was the only shot he could get off, he'd be pretty money from there. I can't go ten all the way though. I don't know. It's hard for me to think about clutch shot making, but specifically for threes. You know what we should do someday is our best just clutch shotmakers, period. Because Chris Paul is on my list. Then I don't know, it feels like it's always from mid range with him. And then Kyrie is definitely, Oh, Kyrie is in my top five. I'll do a top five, throw Kyrie in there, put him above Bird. And then is there anybody else who I'm missing? I mean, Ray Allen Reggie Miller are definitely in my top seven, so I'm putting them both above Larry as well. Actually, if it's just beyond the arc, all right, well, I mean you've gone, you've gone seven. Do you just want to go go another three? I don't know if I can put Chris Middleton on my list. But a man is an ice cold bucket. I guess I'll throw a quay on there again, just because the window does not matter and the degree of difficulty does not really matter. He catches the ball anywhere, and he is an absolute flamethrower. So that's eight. And then Richard Lewis at the number nine. I'm kidding, No, we're stopping it at date because the fans want you round it out, Carson, all right, somebody come to my brain other than Chris Middleton before I put Chris Middleton on this list. Chris Middleton at nine and who else. Let me scroll through my list and think, Man, I don't know, dude like CJ over like Bird. I thought i'd put Bird back on my list. This is the problem. I don't have this written down anywhere, so we're just guessing. This is just mayhem at this point. No, I think I have Larry On there somewhere. But I might take CJ or PG as my last guy. But I also could take I don't know, like if I'm just getting the ball to Duncan Robinson and he doesn't have to do anything, or Davis Tons. They make strong cases. I'm not gonna lie. I briefly considered Michael Jordan for this list. I don't care that it's a three dead man is just a killer Oh for this specific list, Yeah, no, there's a case to be made, all right. My tenth and final guy will be I want to say, buddy, Heal just to frustrate you, but I'm not going to do that. Who should I go with? You? Should? You know what? Although with Corver, if I'm taking a tight window shooter, give me Korver over Robinson or any other guy. Actually, no, scratch that, give me CJ. McCollum because he can get a shot off the drill no matter what. And by the way, is shooting the basketball better than we've ever seen before. I should say was before he got injured. But he's utilizing the three way more heavily than he did in previous seasons, and he's still doing it on forty four percent efficiency. Like I don't know, man, if he continues to make that evolution in his game where it's less mid range more from beyond the arc, he might work his way onto the realist. You take CJ over Dirk. How am I getting the ball to Dirt from beyond the arc? What do you mean? Why don't I have Dirk out of the post. It's a little too weird for me to actually envision because it's like, if it's the last second shot, I don't want Dirt shooting the three, of course, and you were thinking about this way too. Have just mean, in the scenario there's a defender on him, they got the wall at the top of the key, the seconds are closing, I want Dirt pulling that him off. That's fair. I want ce Tim McCollum, all right, I'll let you no. But that's fair though, because Dirk is also obviously unique and how unaffected he is by whoever's in his face, because it doesn't matter. I'm picturing him shooting a fade away three right now, and it's a dirty shot and I want him taking that shot. So all right, that was a fun list there, but this one was filled with controversy, and I think for good reason, because it's a tough list. And it's like, you have a full three point shooting resume, right like where you can come to sort of a common agreement about what you value in that resume. It's where do you gauge the eye test versus the numbers versus the skill set versus etc. Etc. And we definitely had some differences, but I thought it was a fun one. Yeah, and I foolishly had Kyle core vert the number three spot. Dude, I don't think you should be as hard on yourself as you're being right now, because I thought about doing something like that. But I'm out at yourself, so fair enough. All right. On that note, we will be wrapping things up for today. If you want more Nerds such content, because there is plenty of it. You cannot check out our most recent episode because it was not recorded. We did a live in studio show on Saturday, and both our primary and backup recording devices failed us, so it no longer exists. And if you heard it live, congratulations you are part of an elite class of human beings. But you can check out our previous NBA show and you can also check out some weekend content we did on our YouTube channel where Logan broke down what is wrong with the Boston Celtics and I talked about why bam Adebayo was robbed of an All Star spot, which he absolutely was. And of course we will be coming out with NBA content both this Wednesday and Saturday, when we will be back live in the studio. Wednesday, we will be live on YouTube and hopefully Twitter as well talking some more NBA basketball. You can follow us on Twitter at nerd Underscore Sesh and on Instagram at nerd Sesh. And with that, I've been Carson Braber and this was NERD Sesh