Grading Every Player on the 2025 Mets | 485

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Speaker 1: Today, we're gonna go through every single player that played for the twenty twenty five New York Mets and rank them on a tier list. We're grading every player from the twenty twenty five season. We're going from Dylan Ross, who literally didn't appear in a game to Juan Soto, a guy who is the most integral player on this team. So before we do it, going make sure you guys are subscribed to the Mess of the podcast YouTube channel if you have not yet done so, and if you are listening to US Apple podcasts, Spotify, Google drops a rating, drops a review. Download, click download, even if you watch every and listen to every episode, just click that download. But let's see what download numbers up. We do appreciate it. And we're starting off with the banger, James Jose Buddhoh, We're just gonna go down the list. Jose Budo. Where would you put Jose Budo Because a little bit of a weird season, I.
00:01:04
Speaker 2: Mean a weird season, he says. It's a crazy one to start that with. But I guess first, also.
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Speaker 1: Shout out shout the intern for making the tier list. Yeah, shout out thank you for that.
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Speaker 2: I guess you just kind of have to give him a CE like he was kind of where I was thinking when he was on the Mets. He wasn't deplorable, he didn't hurt the team drastically. He didn't help the team a ton either. He was part of the trade in the middle of the season. Kind of an emotional moment for him. Watch him get traded in the middle of a game. He looks like he got tearyed a little bit, but nothing. No real strong opinions on Jose Buto either way here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there were some moments where he was unpitchable and there were some moments where he was good. That's kind of the Jose Buddou experience, a reason why the Mets got rid of him. You could just you could find Jose Buddo in the minor leagues anywhere, unfortunately, but this was always a Jose Buddho podcast and will always be a Jose Buddo podcast absolutely forever.
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Speaker 2: I also, can I make one critique of the tier list before we could keep really get going into this.
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Speaker 1: You're taking a shot at the intern so go for it.
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Speaker 2: No, no, no, In terms of what we just did with the leathers here, Okay, what either at instead of or below F. Can we just have a tier that says ass, Okay, yeah, I'll add ass.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I think there.
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Speaker 2: I think I think we kind of need an asked here okay, because is it because you saw the next guy? There's there's a couple guys not even the next guy. I'm just as I'm looking at some of the stats and some of the players on this team, there has to be an as tier for some of the guys here.
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Speaker 1: Okay, where's actually Sean and iyah? F for asked James, because I think those are the only two places he could go. I think F just for respect. I think F definitely for respect.
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Speaker 2: I know, especially the way that he took his accountability after the season and the way we know he pitched their injuries. But it was he is the one who you look at back of the season, you're like, if you showed up, this would have been different.
00:02:36
Speaker 1: If you pitched one good game, literally one good game, we were probably in the playoffs, although we would be getting throttled by the Dodgers as the Reds are currently when we're recording, and.
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Speaker 2: This will always has forever been a big strike out minus walk Right Podcast Sean, and I.
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Speaker 1: Was actually elite in that stat this year. Really, what was it was?
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Speaker 2: Twenty nine percent walk right in a five percent strike out rate. Nope, you had an opposite strike out rate five percent walk right.
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Speaker 1: Well, I was like, hold on a second, that is not unpitchable. Can't pitch him all right? Probably the easiest one of the entire video. Juan Soto, Yes, he's as here. He had arguably the best season of his career. Well, I can't play any defense. Nobody cares because he hit forty plus home runs, stole thirty bases, drove in close to one hundred runs. Right, I don't think he got to the hundred mark, did he? I just have no idea how many runs he drove in. I think honestly doesn't matter. He scored a lot, he was on base a lot. He had a nine hundred ops. Wan Soda was as good, if not just advertised. Okay, even better, yeah once once, I was tremendous.
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Speaker 2: I also think there was a time in the middle of the season where he got He went from deplorable defensively to pass the ball defensively, and he fulfilled a really vital role in this outfield for most of the season being the only guy with an arm. Yes, also that being said, like you guys are probably yet of us. Maybe he don't think you think he only belongs in a because of the runers of scoring position stats. We don't care start to go in s I saw some comments in our comments section about that Juan Soto did not change anything, did not make any impact because the Mets scored less runs this year than they did last year. That was the reasoning as to why jan Soto wasn't that big of a signing. We shouldn't have signed him this offseason. That's crazy to me.
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Speaker 1: No, it's not. I think that there's I don't know.
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Speaker 2: He's always going to be so many eyeballs on wan so There so much emphasis on him because of the price tag associated with his name.
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Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter.
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Speaker 2: He's one of the best players in baseball and we should all continue to be grateful for him. Everything bad that happened this year had nothing to do with wan.
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Speaker 1: Soa quite literally, not a single thing. Next guy on this list came up late our goat Brandon's broke, Where does he go? I I tend to lead towards the beat tier. Is that fair.
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Speaker 2: I was going to actually say, see, usually you're the one who's more critical of the pitchers than I am, just because it wasn't in terms of what we needed it was. It did happen kind of suddenly. The actual results weren't very good. I will also say numbers. I mean it was the kind of thing where in a small sample the era was quite high, quite high on the whip would have ever indicated, and there wasn't a lot of hard contact against him. So you probably were expecting something more like he's a really wide range, because this will happen in a small sample for eight ERA two eight FIP and then four two Sierra. So I do think that you probably expected like a high threes guy for Brandons Brot, I think given the situation, given it to context, I think he did pretty well, and i'd'd be happy to give him a sea for that, because it wasn't still great.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I'll put Brandons brought and see you convinced me. I did want to hear what the ra was. Be honest, I had no clue. I thought, bitch wise, he did a very acceptable job, and I guess that is kind of what the beat or the c tier is definitely wasn't a lot of strikeouts.
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Speaker 2: It was also how many totally things of Brandons Brote even have let me tell you, like eighteen it was where is he twenty and two thirds?
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Speaker 1: Close? Pretty good? Yes, just a bit more than Ryan Helsley. Oh god. Uh, this is why the ass tier was invented.
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Speaker 2: It's one of the reasons. But I think Paul Blackburn does deserve to go in the astier. I think he was the butt of a few too many jokes from Mets fans because the guy, I mean, the guy was grinding. He went through a lifetime of injuries in the year he spent with this organization, but it was bad and he's kind of endemic to the problems that end up being the case for this Mets team, like the David Searn's issues, where like getting the getting the Paul Blackburn, having him take up one of the pitching spots, holding on to him for as long as we did.
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Speaker 1: It's like the probably could have been a better guy than him. Letting him make any sort of appearances on this team when he really didn't have to. That definitely cost us a few games. Crazy. He made the Yankees postseason roster. I don't even know how that's possible.
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Speaker 2: Crazier he got the last out for the Yankees of the regular season.
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Speaker 1: That's also crazy. I don't know how a winning team keeps his guy on the roster. Sorry, Paul Blackburn, you were asked this season. Yep, so different next Oute here, Jonah Tongue.
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Speaker 2: I think Jonah Tongue I kind of consider him the same as Sproute, where you came in and you helped us when we need a lot of help, but you kind of gave.
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Speaker 1: Up a lot of runs. Yeah, he definitely didn't really make the team better, but it was also a pretty unfair situation to him, and I have no interest in putting him anywhere lower or higher than the C tier. Yeah, he showed us what makes us excited about him in the future, but at the same time, he just simply was not ready yet with just the two pitches being a fastball and a change up. And in the moment, that win against the Padres was awesome. Was sick. Yeah, that was huge.
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Speaker 2: I don't know which other pitcher in this organization could have won that game on that day, despite the other struggles that he had again that game that day, that was a really meaningful moment.
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Speaker 1: Tom Hamble, what the hell? How do we rank him? You got what two outlet say?
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Speaker 2: I give Tom Hamil credit. Did he even get two outs? Actually, don't think he did.
00:07:26
Speaker 1: He got in a game. How many outs did he get?
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you right now. Dom Hamill recorded for the six guys gotten out for this team this year. He got pitched one complete inning. He didn't give up a run, Elite S tier, Yeah, I mean yeah, why not?
00:07:41
Speaker 1: Right? He did his job. Realistically, we're just gonna throw him and see probably right, I.
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Speaker 2: Think realistically be funny as for the meme to throw him an S all right, we'll sneak.
00:07:49
Speaker 1: Dom Hammel in there. Just he didn't give up a run. He was elite. He couldn't have pitched better than he did in the one inning.
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Speaker 2: He had everything that happened to Dom Hamill this year, like it was crazy, the fact he went up and down, didn't get his debut, then he got cut and then got cut against the end of the season.
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Speaker 1: So I think he gets the s tire for that alone. Yeah, and he's been here forever. What is this guy's name? Completely forgot the outfielder that was on the Padres forever. It's Jose as Jose, I want to call him Alex. I don't know why that's the name that I think comes to Jose Ozocar. He's played.
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Speaker 2: He appeared in twenty games for the Mets this season at twenty play.
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Speaker 1: The appearances so.
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Speaker 2: Many games twelve games, twenty play appearances, two walks, one strikeout, and a couple.
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Speaker 1: Of singles d I guess, sure, yeah, why not. He didn't hurt the team, but he sure didn't help the team at all. I mean, he should should have never been on the team, to be honest. We're really in the chaos section right now. Who's up next here? This is Hennis's Cabrera, who I think had a pretty good season with the Pirates. Where'd he go after us? Was it the Pirates?
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Speaker 2: I think Henners's Cabrera is another guy who might have put himself in the A or the stier just because he got that crazy save against the Reds and the last week in the season, the eleven inning game. Oh no, that was Johan Ramirez was undred years talking about you sent Pirates that brought me that prior Cabrera, Henniss Cabrera, I think what f He was pretty horrible.
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Speaker 1: I think in the time that he spent with the Mets this year he had three five v R and six appearances. What was his whip? His whip was one one seven. That's way better than I thought. Why did we cut him? A good question, That's why. Why did we caught hennisis am I forgetting something?
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Speaker 2: There were a bunch more bunch of walks, not that many strikeouts. They can looked okay, looked tangibly fine.
00:09:26
Speaker 1: Where would you put henneis Cabrera. I actually have no clue where to put this.
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Speaker 2: Guy, I think comfortably to see this is gonna wind there just being us going through all the forty six guys who got out for the Mets the season.
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Speaker 1: Dicky love Lady, I believe this is Dickie love Lady. He was huge in that game against the Cubs when we made the comeback because he kept he kept it close. It wasn't really good otherwise, So D I guess, I guess a D. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I feel bad that like D for Dick, they're D for Dick. I feel bad the Jose also car and Dicky Lovela. There had the Sean and Iah, but it's just that's kind of where we're at.
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Speaker 1: Who's this. This is Austin Warren, and I stan Austin Warren. He was awesome in his time with the Mets. I don't know if the stuff's any good. I don't know if it's legit, But in the time they pitched with the Mets, I want to say he maybe had one or two earned runs in like nine innings. I liked Austin Warren this year. I thought he should have gotten more play. It was one earned run in nine and thirds innings. I think he did a really good job. Austin war to the stier Austin Warton. I will put him in a he gave up a run. Ok. He's not like Dom Hammill. Dom Hamill was perfect. Austin Warren was almost perfect. I'll put him an eightier in the nine innings he gave us. He also pitched that multiple inning game against the Yankees when Hagenman started. Yeah, he did. He gave us some beginnings and games that we won. So shout out Austin Warren. October baseball is here. The pressures on, the lights are brighter, and with DraftKings Sports book, you're right there in the middle of every moonshot moment. Draftking sports Book delivers the intensity of October with player props, live in game betting and as that can change as fast as a ball flying over the fence. I really like DraftKings. I think you guys should too. Download the DraftKings sports Book app and use code foul that's foul to turn five bucks into two hundred in bonus bets if your bet wins. In partnership with DraftKings, the Crown is yours.
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00:11:43
Speaker 1: Who is this guy? This looks like if you asked Grock to make a baseball player, who could Justin Garza. It could be Justin Garza. That's a good guess, could it be? It's not.
00:11:54
Speaker 2: I mean, let's go through some of the weird ones here. It's definitely not Zuber. It's not Zach Pop.
00:11:59
Speaker 1: Who's the guy next to him? Is this the next man? The next tiame is Colin Poche com Oh my god, yes, is co or is he the guy in between Correo and Pintaro? No? Wait, no, that's Zuber in between Korea and Pintaro. No wait that was that? No, it's not super Wait Zuper's below Pintaro. Pintaro's next to Nolan McLay. This is bad. I can't believe some of the guys that pitched for this team. James typing Justin Garza on Baseball Reference, You're gonna have to be our stat checker here. I know you love fangrafts, but you're gonna have to be reference for us. That is Justin Garza. Okay. I liked what we saw from him in the small sample. He's a guy that could be one of the last relievers on this team, but I don't know see probably for him.
00:12:45
Speaker 2: I think he probably will wind up being one of the last relievers on this team. I also just don't think the stuff is very good. It was a sinker that you were hoping to get more ground balls than it did. Never didn't really miss any bats. He gave up runs when he came in the games. I would go for defer gard was.
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Speaker 1: This you al right? I don't even remember it. I gotta say it was five and a half. Oh bad, Okay, he might go he might go F. Yeah, only only four strike guts for nine. I'm happy to put him in F. That's fair.
00:13:09
Speaker 2: I think it's first time I've ever cited a strike guys for nine on this show.
00:13:13
Speaker 1: This is the guy pull up that Mets active roster or like been Colin Poche. I'm doing it right now.
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Speaker 2: I think that's Colin. That is Colin for sure, that's Colin Poche. Uh yeah, it's definitely Colin. No, No, Colin is two more down. That's what That's what I was saying. That's who I thought Colin is.
00:13:29
Speaker 1: Who the hell is this guy? Have a guess. I really hope you guys are watching this one. That's Ross oh Man twenty twenty five Mets Baseball reference. Let's see. No, I don't think it's what Zach pop Zach pop. That's not zach pop? Is it? No, that's not zach pop. I know zach pop looks like that is? Where is Zach Popp? Is Kevin Hurget Kevin Hrget? Yeah? You confirmed? Confirmed? Kevin Hurget confirmed, Kevin Hurgot. He did, Okay, I'd be willing to put him in c I think that he he can get out sometimes this grading every player.
00:14:07
Speaker 2: In the team episode just turned into us trying to name all the forty six pitchers that picture the Mets this year.
00:14:11
Speaker 1: Really embarrassing for the team, not for us.
00:14:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get kind of hard, got out, I guess yeah, see he's like, yeah, sure he was there. Alex Carrio, Alex Dream might have to go in the ass, Yeah he was.
00:14:23
Speaker 1: He was bad. I know he throws a hundred, but also it was worth the shot. But not Carlos Mendoza for pitching him first game out of the All Star Break against the Reds. That really put a sour taste in our mouth to start the second half.
00:14:35
Speaker 2: And you got some relatively high leverage innings this series before the All Star break in Kansas City.
00:14:39
Speaker 1: For no reason, they were like, Alex Correo, you're our guy now. He was not good Colin Poche, he was also asked.
00:14:47
Speaker 2: A complish got into one game and they were like, you're too bad for sorry.
00:14:51
Speaker 1: Like we could not see you pitch again for this team. That was your guy for a little bit, wasn't it years ago? Yeah?
00:14:55
Speaker 2: I love Complische because he was on that original Las Brazdowski. I think that graphic where it was the every arms slot around the Fox.
00:15:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jonathan Pintaro, really cool story. Sadly ass, sadly ass. I'm so sorry. He's such a nice guy. I'm sure his story is awesome, but he is. It was crazy. They called him up right from Double A. They're like, you know, let's see what the twenty seven year olds and Double A's gotten. Shocker wasn't much. No, wasn't much at all.
00:15:20
Speaker 2: That's just o case. Now we're getting through. We got another real player here. Real player alert, real player alert.
00:15:25
Speaker 1: Nolan McLain s. I think Nolan McLain s. Do you want to hear a crazy stat about Nolan McLain I do he had the eleventh most innings pitched on the Mets this season. It's like, that's that's crazy. Yeah, how is that even possible? And how many things did he get to for the eight? So we still got the rookie status for next year? Right? Yeah?
00:15:43
Speaker 2: We were one, we're two innings clear f it's fifty beautiful beautiful.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:15:48
Speaker 2: I mean might maybe thread the knee a little bit too much, but now that we're here, at least we get a draft pick.
00:15:51
Speaker 1: If he can win Rookie of the Year next season, yes, or finish in the top three or is that not it? He needs to finish in the top three of CY Young. I think that would be right. Yeah.
00:15:58
Speaker 2: I think it's win Rookie of the Year or finished top three in cy Young or MVP cool all right.
00:16:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, Noel McLain was disgusting. He is the best pitcher on this staff at this exact moment.
00:16:07
Speaker 2: Where where's Nolan McLain have to be in the rotation to start next season for you to feel comfortable in the next season rotation two two two.
00:16:15
Speaker 1: I don't think he should be the one, but I feel really good with him as too. Like again, I always draw back to it even though they're not the same, but they are a little bit Spencer Schwellenbach, like you felt good if he was your two behind Chris Sale to start the year, or Spencer Schreider before he sucked. Yeah, I guess that is fair. I think they're uh out.
00:16:34
Speaker 2: It seems like everyone's really high Nolan McLain, and for good reason. It kind of did make me sad watching these Wildcard games on Tuesday, being like, I wish Ian McClain was pitching right now.
00:16:41
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, David Peterson, this is a weird one because the first half he was massively important. First half he would have got an st here, you would have been like, David Peterson did everything that we needed. He was our stopper, he was our ace. He was getting the big outs, and then as soon as he hit that new spot for how many innings he's thrown, he was basically unpitchable for the last month and a half.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was so unpitchable for the last couple of weeks at least that we had to do the bullpen parade on the game one sixty two instead of just letting David Peterson pitch, which is crazy to think about. Where he fell from that season, But you also kind of look back, it's weird that his complete game shout out against the Nationals was literally the plateau, like the peak of the season, the climax of it, because that was June eleventh or June twelfth. It was the last game, I believe before the June thirteenth and where everything started to turn around and go the wrong.
00:17:33
Speaker 1: Paul Blackburn coming in in relief game. Yeah, for Clay Holmes, that was it.
00:17:36
Speaker 2: And it is a big thing that the fact that David Peterson was stuck around this like in twenty twenty two is one hundred five innings and then twenty twenty three hundred and eleven. Last year was about one hundred and thirty before the postseason, and this year, once he got to one fifty, he really just fell apart, which is a shame because that's not really the biggest jump in the world. But yeah, you also just kind of wish that you could have insulated him a bit more against the workload issues if you just had more pitching depth that didn't get her in the middle months.
00:18:01
Speaker 1: Can't wait. The Tyler McGill ranking.
00:18:02
Speaker 2: Is going to come up soon, but he's just it's I think you guys kind of have to give Peterson still a c.
00:18:08
Speaker 1: I was thinking that because there was good and there was bad. At the end of the day, he's not the reason we didn't make the playoffs, because that would be insane because of what he did at the beginning of the year. But he was also not the reason why we could make the playoffs, and.
00:18:21
Speaker 2: He still led the team an innings, so I give him some credit for that a team that desperately needed innings.
00:18:25
Speaker 1: Yes, Wascar braso Bon, I see that there's no one in the b Deer and that feels like a great place for Wascar Brosobon, who shout out to him getting sent up and down from Syracuse all year long. He made that place his home. He might get his number retired. Could be maybe one of the oldest guys that still has options in all of Major League Baseball and uses those options. He's so old. But Wascar Brosobon was just kind of good this year. I think, a unsung good reliever in this team. And if it wasn't for the options, I think they would have kept him around a lot more. Totally.
00:18:57
Speaker 2: I think I think the thing that really hurt Brozebon wasc that when he began the year, he was one of those guys that made like six appearances and gave up no runs. So then you start to get people talking about you of Wascot Brazubon could be like the next big reliever that was never going to be the case, but just being someone that could be well utilized out of this bullpen. That's sinker and changeup win end up both being real weapons. Like he threw ninety seven ninety eight miles an hour. It all worked out nicely for Wascau Brazabon, Like, I was happy he was on this team, and he's a good chess piece for what kind of bullpen we're trying to build.
00:19:25
Speaker 1: One of the few guys that it will actually be in the bullpen from this current team next year.
00:19:30
Speaker 2: And I'll keep bringing these things up because they're funny to talk about. Mark guess where Wascout Brosubon ranked on this team and then ex pitched.
00:19:37
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go like eighth. It was seventh's so high for a reliever.
00:19:42
Speaker 2: With sixty three innings and there was another reliever ahead of him.
00:19:46
Speaker 1: There was another reliever ahead of him. Yes, this one will shock you. I can't wait till we get to his ranking. Okay, can I just guess right now? Guess right now? Read Garrett No, WHOA Right, We'll get there when when his name pops up. I'm sure I'll know what it is.
00:20:00
Speaker 2: We're gonna do innings pitch trivia with these forty six pitchers the entire night, the entire show.
00:20:03
Speaker 1: Here, all right, let's talk about Max Granick. Shame because he blew out his elbow. Probably done for next year as well. If we had to take a guess, because I think that's his second Tommy John, it might just be done done. Sucks. But in the time that we had him, I thought he was good. I think he was a guy that goes in the B tier as well. He was a capable reliever. He wasn't as sharp as he was in spring or at the start of the season, but he could kind of track the injury to when he started pitching poorly.
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Speaker 2: Definitely, he was another guy where when the pitching staff was working early in the season, he was a big piece that could come in and get you the five or six outs and be like the bridge between the starters who were still on going five then and the late inning relievers went birth themselves out. Yet here's another funny pitch a trivia question. Okay, guess Max Cranic strikeout rate this year twenty eight percent sixteen point nine shockingly low?
00:20:53
Speaker 1: Wait what very low? That's really low. It was his walk great three percent? All right, that's right, that'll play. Yeah that.
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Speaker 2: But I was also very surprised seeing how few strikeouts to work. Espectially thinking back to how I remember perceived him, I think towards the end he just he when he was getting used a lot, a lot, a lot, I think he just kind of had nothing left in the tank. Brooks Raley, Brooks really was awesome.
00:21:15
Speaker 1: I think he goes in the eight tier. I was gonna say the s tier did was it? Starting with a one? It was a two four?
00:21:22
Speaker 2: Twenty five percent strikeouts. I'm gonna see how many innings he had here, because I have those two things in different tabs. For some reason, only wind up going twenty six innings. That felt like a lifetime to be honest to him. Yeah, But I mean Brooks Raley was a godsend, like Brooks Rayley him him leaving the game that Sunday with someone that's a moment where I was like, oh, now we're actually done here. I think Brooks Raley his third of the appearances this year. He was the second most important leave on this team basically the whole time.
00:21:44
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, you've convinced me again. I'll put Brooks Raley in s. He was the best left handed relievers. He was phenomenal for this team down the stretch every single time that they needed him really important. Tyler Rodgers is a weird one. This is one where I don't think the numbers are gonna match where my grade. I was quite disappointed with Tyler Rodgers. Is that fair to say? Not a piece of pitching trivia?
00:22:05
Speaker 2: What do you think Tyler Rodgers era was as a met two three six two three?
00:22:10
Speaker 1: Oh, that was unbelievable. Was pretty close. Okay, I knew he was gonna start in the low twos, but he it felt like he gave up every inherited runner that he ever had, Like he didn't actually give up the runs for the guys that he faced, they didn't score, but anybody who was on base felt like they scored when he came in the game. Yeah, I agree with that. So it's somewhere between C and B. I'll let you make the call. I think I'm gonna put him in C just because he was explodedseless. He was expected to be better and he just never You never felt comfortable truly with Tyler Rodgers in the game. Right.
00:22:40
Speaker 2: It's a funny thing with Tyler Rodgers because he seems like the kind of reliever where you oddly like want the bigger sample, you know what I mean, Like you want Tyler Rodgers to get more innings, more pss. I feel like you do that over the whole season that will really drive down his ra And again, it's funy to look back how low the era was, but I guess it's a little bit of bad taste in my mouth from Game one sixty two. And also just the fact that, like you said, weren't clean innings. But I don't think you get Talar Rodgers for clean innings. Also, I'm excited to see the retrospective of the Taler Rodgers trade in a few years when I just don't know what's gonna wind up happening to Blade, ted Well, Drew Gilbert. But I still I still think it's a trade you make.
00:23:13
Speaker 1: C or B. You tell me, I think see I'll give you C right there, Okay, Tyler Rodgers in C my boy, Gregorysoto. I am biased on this one, so I'm gonna need you to tell me where to put him, because if it was for me, he was like dr F. I thought he sucked. Yeah, I was gonna say, d I think it was. It wasn't very good. There were moments. He's never been good. That's the whole thing with him is he's never been good. He can't throw strikes, he doesn't get left these out, he can't get right. He's out. Mark Locatta, he sucks. He sucks. Don't you ever call me Mark Locatta.
00:23:46
Speaker 2: You look at the Maratha the last few good episodes here, but I think say to trade Frans to school the door? Yeah, I mean, who knows gonna happens? Five more episodes from right now? Who knows wheream Head's gonna be at? But I specifically will always remember that gregorys so though bad throw against the Padres, that was the one that broke my heart the most.
00:24:03
Speaker 1: Truthfully, he just he sucks. He's always sucked. We watched them pitch for the Phillies, say he's terrible. I would have put him in ass, but truthfully probably is d He like got out one time, he.
00:24:13
Speaker 2: Got out a few times. He was useful for at least a month and a half.
00:24:16
Speaker 1: And it's hard to put him in ass when this is the ass man right here, Ryan Helsley, somebody who you've you've shared a beverage with. I have, and he has been about as bad as you could ever be. For sure.
00:24:29
Speaker 2: The most pain about Ryan Helsey is going to be next season when he's awesome for the Texas Rangers. Yeah, closer in Texas Rangers make now with that one who knows where, who knows if it's even here. I mean, like, I just think that it's it's just we're gonna look back on Ryan Helsey remember the rest of our lives how badly that turned out.
00:24:47
Speaker 1: Did you see David Stearns in the press conference talk about the trades. He's not bringing Ryan Helsley back, even if it was for free. Yeah, I think you're probably right about that. He's good. He's waking up in the middle of the night to nightmares of watching Ryan Helsley pitch in his head.
00:24:58
Speaker 2: Could you just imagine the difference in a mo when we got Ryan Helsley and how that felt. We were like, Wow, we're the best eighth nine Bob back to punch of the bullpen the entire league. This was one of the five best relievers in baseball for four straight years.
00:25:09
Speaker 1: I was at an influencer event, which is I hate saying out loud, but that's what it was called Shyow Mark, and I literally like someone was giving a speech and I like stomped my foot and went like yeah, and like someone came up to were like Elsley, let's go. Boy? Oh boy? Was that the height of the Ryan Elsley Mets experience And that first game against the Giants where he got through a clean inning. Yes, Jose Castillo, he weirdly I think had a low era with the Mets, right, but he did definitely wasn't good.
00:25:37
Speaker 2: He had LOWI ray, and he struck out lots of bathers and he also got kind of unlucky in his balls and played. But I also did watch him. It was never impressed, Like he was one where I thought there may be was something there, and he got picked up by somebody and was pitching through the end of the season. I think it was the Orioles, Actually it was the Oriols. The Orioles kicked the ball or scraps confirmed oorals. I mean, the Orioles got sharp people in that in that room, and they had a very good waiver claim for the middle part of the season. I think you got you might see Jose Castillo still be pitching in the majors next year.
00:26:03
Speaker 1: For us. It was a journey, but he.
00:26:05
Speaker 2: Did get that huge double play that was against the Phillies, right, yeah, I think so I me might give him see just for that cool I'm down, gon, We're gonna wind up overrunning this seat here, big boom aj aj mintor God, God, how different this bullpen would feel if this guy didn't get hurt.
00:26:22
Speaker 1: He started hurt, got hurt. In the time that we had him, he was pretty incredible, only eleven innings. Got hurt in April. Was painful. But you probably just give him an a just because how good he was. Yeah, I think in the moment, how good he was, I'd give him an A. And I can't fault him. I can't knock him down forgetting hurt.
00:26:39
Speaker 2: No, of course, not same with you know the David starting people like built a horrible bullpen like the Agan Mintor was one of the most important pieces of that bullpen heading into the season.
00:26:45
Speaker 1: It was terrible how that happened. This guy is who who is that? Is that Kristovinski? That feels like it could be Kristovinski? Okay, confirmed, confirmed, Christi Vinsky. I'm gonna tell you Kristovinski got screwed by the Mets. And you loved Kristi Vinski. You remember Christophinsky. He had that three innings against that was the Yankees. Yeah, and he was awesome in the sixteen innings that he pitched. He had a sub one whip, he had a two ERA and if you look at his k rates and stuff like that, like they're not jumping off the page, but twenty k rate seven percent walk great. I don't really understand why he didn't get more looks in this bullpen. That was horrible. Yeah.
00:27:27
Speaker 2: Christophinski also's first appearance of the year. He came up for one day against the Diamonbacks. Pitch him up up, dude. He gave up two quick runs. I think it was two homers or one homer or something like that. But then he got sent down for a month. He came back up, had a clean inning, got set down for another full month and was one of the guys that like helped us really bridge the gap in July when we were kind of out of pitching. He pitched pretty well the entire sign with that nice change up'd weirdly put him in a I guess I really can't believe how people are gonna be clicking this video wanting to hear about Pilonzo Juan so though, Francisco Lindoor and we're talking about Kristovinski, Dicky Love Lady.
00:28:02
Speaker 1: No, that's why they go on. They want to hear us talk about those guys.
00:28:06
Speaker 2: I guess again, like Christe Vinky, what a for what he did because he literally showed up and he got out when we needed them.
00:28:11
Speaker 1: Brandon Waddell Brandon Wall was another.
00:28:15
Speaker 2: Guy where it probably felt better than it was, especially early on. He's the kind of guy who you just wish didn't throw thirty innings this season. Truthfully, the era was low, but everything kind of told us the whole time that this was not going to remain low. I think he classically fits once again in the big fat seats here.
00:28:34
Speaker 1: You're gonnaut him in. See okay, I was gonna say d but see he's fine. Shut it up Code I Sanga. So this is another weird one because.
00:28:43
Speaker 2: We've been we've been critical of Code I throughout and the weirdness just kind of persisted through spring training all the way to the end, through the middle of last season even in a way, and I remember we did the interview with Tim Healey shout out to Tim Healey now still covering the right section of the Boston Globe, lost their insither but basically telling us that it was like the biggest story no one was talking about, that Kodai Sanga still hadn't thrown a competitive pitch and we were ready beginning spring training, and again it just never stopped. I know the era was still low in the first half was great, but it still felt like smoking mirrors basically that entire time. Like I was never I never felt for a second like we were watching the twenty twenty.
00:29:19
Speaker 1: Three version of Kodai Sanga. This season, we may we maybe got two or three actual good starts. The rest of them were like he didn't give up runs, but he had guys first and second. Every single inning of felt like and got the big double player, got strikeouts when he needed it. He just was not not the Code that we needed him. I wouldn't put him in the same tier as Manaia by the way, they still pitched well, I'd probably put him in D though. Is that crazy?
00:29:45
Speaker 2: I think that still is crazy because you still got that just Indred fifteen innings of a three O era. I guess I can't still something that happened.
00:29:53
Speaker 1: I can't put him higher than See though, because he wasn't there when we needed him most at the end. True, Yeah, that's totally fair. He literally he literally wasn't there.
00:30:01
Speaker 2: Would be great Peterson see he was in C as well. Okay, I think I would view those two guys seasons somewhat similarly.
00:30:08
Speaker 1: Oddly enough, right, we'll put code ice and get and See not good, kind of bad, but we'll be a little respectful. Yeah, dead meel yikes. I looked bad.
00:30:20
Speaker 2: High hopes, we had very high hopes, and the second hopes, the second he began to actually get it together, the elbow exploded.
00:30:25
Speaker 1: I think you guys just have to be D r F. Yeah, I'll put that in the L and F because it just took forever for him to get going. Looked like he wasn't really in the best of shape either. On the mound. Yeah, you never want to call that out, but did seem true? Danny Young did he threw what like six pitches I think for this team this year the eight innings, and you know what, he struck the world out in those eight innings. Yeah, and then he blew out his elbow as well, I believe right.
00:30:49
Speaker 2: Yes, but he's someone who again, like if he six round all year, like, I think he would have been a useful part of this bullpen, probably be or c for him.
00:30:57
Speaker 1: Back in the seas here. Baby, all these guys can't really say said, oh, Justin Hagenman. Okay, he wasn't nearly as bad as we thought, but I definitely still don't want like similarly, I don't really want to see him pitching too often.
00:31:09
Speaker 2: I I liked Hagean more than Waddell throughout, and I think that Hageman kind of should have had look a few more chances than got a couple more of them that could have wound up just being scheduling things. But I love a guy like Hageman who doesn't walk anybody when you're going to come in and be like a spot star there like a random innings either. I love that you're just challenging guys, putting the ball in play, letting your defense help you.
00:31:29
Speaker 1: He did really well also with that color change up. I just liked I liked him enough to be the eighth starter. This second guy, I'm gonna I'm gonna let you pick where Justin Hagenman goes.
00:31:38
Speaker 2: I think it'll just still be a CEE even those guys. I'm talking about him, but it's.
00:31:42
Speaker 1: Not You're gonna fight for me. Well, I'm not.
00:31:44
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna fight for Justin Hageman. I'm sorry to Hagenan family, but that's not what I'm gonna do.
00:31:49
Speaker 1: You know who we are gonna fight for though, hard Rico motherfucking Garcia one of the biggest mistakes in the David Stearns tenure, bigger than trading for Ryan Helsley, letting Rico Garcia walk.
00:32:00
Speaker 2: Rico Garcia was like identified in the offseason. He was the big call out from me and us from the glob of chaos, being like, this is the guy who he comes up, he's a real good chance to be a piece.
00:32:09
Speaker 1: And then he came up. You know what, He was a peace the entire time, and then we pushed him a little too hard, still was able to handle it, never really gave up runs, never really put himself in the bad situation.
00:32:18
Speaker 2: But Booth loved him. Booth deservedly loved him. Seems like the guys loved him too. And then afterwards he went to Baltimore and continued to pitch well because we caught him just because he didn't have options and it was a time where we need an arm and he had thrown two winnings day before. I thought that was a very near side move by David Seerns, where he I think was much too robotic and putting the whole glob of chaos together as one where you look at the guy at Rico Garzia and it was clear that his stuff was good enough to rise above the rest. That was a disappointing move and looking back, was something that truthfully probably cost this team a good bit.
00:32:48
Speaker 1: Oh, he would have been getting major routes for this team. Would have been like the setup man in August, truthfully say where we putting them? James, I would put put Rico Garcia up there. That's our guy, recal, this is our video. We could do whatever we want. That's okay. So the stier just update you guys.
00:33:02
Speaker 2: On the audio side, we have one so though dom Hammill, Nolan McLain, Brooks, Railian, Rico Garcia eight, the A tier we have Austin Warren, Aj Minter and Who's and Christavinski, Christovinski, and the B tier we have Wastcar, Brozabon and Max Krannick.
00:33:19
Speaker 1: Ah. This next guy, I thinks, Tayadcock a beer, tells me tyad Cock. Yeah, it's Tyadcock c r D probably right.
00:33:28
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean he didn't give up runs when he pitched, but he wasn't good.
00:33:32
Speaker 1: I was still I guess she just put him in the D tier. Put in the d T. Sorry, tyad Cock. At Cock belongs to the D Tierseania was so bad he was asked. He was asked he was so bad. That's when we also like were really like, is David Stern's listening to this podcast because there was no reason for the Mets to ever sign Jose Irania. And I think I threw him out that one time, like he threw a hundred last year, threw a pitch out one hundred, and then the Mets signed him. That was insane, and he was ass another guy that was sad Lee ass he was a little bit of a Mets Twitter legend. Thought it was gonna be like a classic pitching lab fix. Tyler Zuber, I think was also asked, he's just not really a major league pitcher in the Cape in the frame that he was at. No, but he also like did the things that you expected him to do or he was He did get strikeouts. He I think he just gave up bombs if I remember correctly. Yeah, he gave up thirteen. He gave up two earned runs and two winnings. Struck out three guys of the nine he faced. It was a really small sample with the Mets. They got rid of him immediately he did. Does it make it feel better? They went to Miami and also stunk. Yeah. No, I'm no.
00:34:34
Speaker 2: Shame in at all. You give you give the guy like got a shot. He was a fun he was a fun person there. But I think he still belongs in the F tier. Yeah, unfortunately he does. Zach Pop also belongs in the F tier. I remember the Zach Pop game. Dude like, oh yeah, actually, you are right.
00:34:47
Speaker 1: He goes in the ass here put him in the middle of a day game, just the first guy at the bullpen and what do you know, Zach Pop had nothing. The Blue Jays bullpen didn't want him, and we tried him and he's still stunk. Terrible asked here Louis Trends. So the defense was unbelievable.
00:35:03
Speaker 2: He will play this. It feels crazy to be talking about it. Hither, it does feel crazy.
00:35:08
Speaker 1: Every single guy we're talking about is a bullshit reliever. Yeah we got and we got two catchers right next to each other, with Louis Trenz and Hayden Sanger back to back. Terrenz James, somebody little something about him.
00:35:18
Speaker 2: I think you still have to consider him in the beats here. He a lot was asked if him this year, more than you would usually ask of a backup catcher. And he does hit the ball. Heart's always on the ground to the opposi the field though. But the defense of Louis Torens is great. It seems like he's also just a good clubhouse, locker room guy. Seems like the guys in the team like him. It seems like the pitchers really enjoy pitching to him. They were those couple games towards the end of the season where he was catching at Alvarez with Dhing even just two catchers on the roster, I know we can't hit. We're not really valuating our backup catcher in their ability to hit. And he's an as Defensively, I'm happy to have Louise Trenz in this organization moving forward.
00:35:50
Speaker 1: He's a phenomenal backup catcher and the ability to throw out runners at the rate that he is is legitimately a weapon, which you can't really say about most backup catchers in the league. Change. He changes games when he's in behind the plate. Could you would you imagine saying.
00:36:03
Speaker 2: That about your backup No, and again like to have like it's it's like a funny thing to say, like have that backup catcher locked up in a comfortable way.
00:36:09
Speaker 1: It's a nice little feeling. Yes, Hayden Sanger, he's gonna be the third catcher. He's not going anywhere. There's no reason for it. Now that being said, he can't hit a lick. I don't Again, I don't know if he'd be the best hitter in our softball league. But not the new one. Not the new one. Definitely not the new one. Shout out modified softball, slow pitch and the Witt Clinton to win modify fast. Yeah, Clinton de Witt, Clinton de Witt. But he's good defensively, but.
00:36:32
Speaker 2: Great defensively, probably eff d. I was still going, I was, I mean, I'm addicted to the cetre. I was gonna give him there again, James, what if I told you, I know, I know how bad it is, but again, that's the third catcher.
00:36:44
Speaker 1: What if I told you that our ops is closer to Hayden Sangers than Hayden Sangers is to Juan Soto.
00:36:50
Speaker 2: I think you could probably find a more funny guy with temper to play that stat off of.
00:36:53
Speaker 1: What if I told you eight four fifteen. What if I told you that Hayden Sanger's OPS was closer to ours, which is zero and would be a zero if we ever played in Major League Baseball, then Hayden Sanger's was to Peel. Yeah, but Pete's still really good. Pan. We really didn't have anybody with eights. Huh, Yeah, that was it.
00:37:10
Speaker 2: Those are the only guys because the Lindor Hayn Sang was closer to Lindor than we were.
00:37:14
Speaker 1: The Hayden SANGERKA. But yeah, I think I think he has to go in d all Right, honey, I did throt catchers played good defense. Yeah, nothing against him, our King Gryffin Canning. Geez, I very much want to fight for him in a tier. He was signed for four million dollars. He pitched only against good teams, and he won every time he stepped up on the mound. Season was ended short. We saw the wheels coming off before that where he was getting hits tolearn more, and honestly, he was probably not gonna make it to the end of the year on this team. If he was, it was gonna be a reliever role. But in the time that we had Gryffin Canning, he was pretty fucking awesome. I'll say this too about Griffin Canning.
00:37:52
Speaker 2: I said this on Twitter, and some of the people who understood what us saying were like, that's actually a good point than some of the you know, the WIF fan listeners out there were like, how could you say?
00:37:59
Speaker 1: That's ridiculous.
00:38:01
Speaker 2: The second Griffin Cannon got hurt is when the wheels fell off a million, which is very funny because inside of the inside of ten days, it was the Sanga injury, the Griffin Canning injury, and the Tyler McGill injury. The three headed horsemen of the Mets pitching depth this season, and it did change a lot. I don't think I can put them in a though, just because I make guess, you know, for the vibes, I'm down to put them in a But we knew if he made two more starts, he was he was about to get lit. But here's a not a fun stat Griffin Canning. Guess where he ranked on the Mets and innings pitch this year?
00:38:29
Speaker 1: Fourth? Yeah? Fourth?
00:38:31
Speaker 2: Now nice, you want to give me an innings guess eighty eight, seventy six.
00:38:37
Speaker 1: That's so low, so few. God, next up, James, we got al troll. Francisco Alvarez. I love Francisco Alparez.
00:38:48
Speaker 2: This is a funny ranking too, because I feel like you and I are just simply higher on Francisco Alvarez than the rest of the world Mets comunity. I also think they were the point with the Mets community is lower on Francisco Alvarez than the rest of the baseball community.
00:39:01
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think sometimes the Mets community loves to hate being a Met fan.
00:39:06
Speaker 2: I think that like, you look at the guy like Francisco Alvarez and it's just so apparent how talented he is, how good he can be, how good he already is. He had the fourth highest OPS on this team this year, like I think, just I know, he only got to play a half season's worth of games, but a lot of that wasn't exactly his fault. I mean, I guess some people will blame him for the slide to second base, but he missed a week with that Shorren thumb ligament, and I'm just I'm really impressed by how he came back from the demotion, like be able to handle that mentally at still the young age of twenty.
00:39:35
Speaker 1: Three years old. Not y say twenty three point.
00:39:37
Speaker 2: I think he's turning twenty four soon, but twenty three. I think I think he's turning twenty four, like in two weeks. Yeah, I know, maybe it's like November, the first week of November or something rather so, Yeah, we'll keep an eye on that for Francisco.
00:39:46
Speaker 1: But he's tremendous.
00:39:47
Speaker 2: I'm I'm happy to write him in sharpie as the Mets catcher as long as he's as long as we can keep him there.
00:39:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's really good, and those numbers look good even with the half of his half season where he was trying out the new stance and was pretty horrible, like bad, bad, Can.
00:40:03
Speaker 2: I also make a prediction of Reut Francisco Alvarez. Yeah, hit me with the prediction this offseason. I think he does get an extension.
00:40:10
Speaker 1: Oo.
00:40:11
Speaker 2: I think that you've you're in a situation where like I think both sides feel good about an extension, where he now another year further from free agency, has seen how dangerous this position is and how much you have the opportunity to get hurt. I think he wants to lock up a bunch of money, and the team has some good math in their direction because alvarez arbitration numbers aren't that high because of the way the last two years are accounting stats wise, and just because they do have an extra year of the arbitration, so you can kind of bake in a couple extra years there at lower rates that I think that everybody would be very happy to right now get to the table and make something happen that works.
00:40:45
Speaker 1: I'd be happy to pendle him in for the next seven years as the Mets catcher. I'd be good with that. A or B. James, where are you putting them?
00:40:53
Speaker 2: Is crazy to go A for Guylin played seventy six games and sucks for most of those.
00:40:56
Speaker 1: I think, ye, b B, I think that's a good, good thing to put him in B. He was. It was a good season, but could have been better. Yeah, should have been better. Pete Alonzo Pete was awesome. I mean Pete does what Pete does. He hits home runs, he drives in runs, he hits for power, he has a high ops. I like Pete's Pete's awesome. I don't does he go in S. I'd be very happy to put him in S. And Peak got a lot of the big hits for this team. I do know that.
00:41:24
Speaker 2: There was a time and it's the same of one and solo. It's the same with Francisco Lindor, so I we're gonna put one in S. I think we have but all in S. But there was a moment where he did speer for a little bit no summer months when the team was kind of swooning a little bit, like, yes, the five hundred ops in July is unthinkable looking back. But then Pete he really pulled the nose back up in August September. He was tremendous, like going down the stretch there, I felt like the only guys that were hitting were Pete, Lindor and Solo. So I can't if I'm gonna knock one down, I'm gonakno come all down for them, but one up and then put.
00:41:51
Speaker 1: Them all up. Should I just jump the line and also put Francisco Lindor in s here too? Then? Right now?
00:41:55
Speaker 2: I think so totally, because again, like Francisco Lindor, we know him at this point. We know it's going to be a six week stretch every season where he's not going to be good.
00:42:03
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I don't know how.
00:42:05
Speaker 2: But this year, from when he broke that toe, and I think that was June fourth, June fifth against the Dodgers until July first, the second week of July, he the one ninety eight batting average basically till the All Star break. Yeah, it was just that was an unplayable time for him. But then again you pulled the nose back up. He had a great second half of the season. I think the most valuable player in all of baseball in terms of Fangrefts War from August first on, Like he is, he's the cost professional, He's tremendous.
00:42:27
Speaker 1: Nothing wrong at all. When you turn the lights on, he steps up every single time, and he still continues to play phenomenal defense at shortstop. Well, the only guys that showed up that last series against the Marlins is quite literally Jeff McNeil. If you would have asked me in August, I probably would have put him in the b ra A tier he asked me. Now he feels like a hard Sea. I don't know how much better or worse he made this team.
00:42:49
Speaker 2: I think c is fair because again in shape of the season, but he wasn't able to pull the nose back up. If he had a good final two weeks of the season, he would have got himself to be But the fact that he dropped the ops by one hundred points the last month of the season and the defense again, well it's still fine.
00:43:03
Speaker 1: It's not plus.
00:43:04
Speaker 2: And as we know, going into this offseason where David Sterns wants to make this defense plus like his his spot in this team is definitely coming into question.
00:43:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if Jeff McNeil will play another game for the New York Mets in his baseball career. I don't either. Our boy, Brett, the Met baty What a season. What a season, a lot of ups and downs. Started off very down, and then as soon as he got called back up, dude was ready to go and just started playing good baseball. He played good defense at third okay, defense at second base, and he hit pretty well. It doesn't seem like Brett Baty's ever gonna be a high on base percentage guy. A little less patient than we thought he would be, because he did have great control of the strike zone down in the minors, but when he makes contact with the baseball, it is hit exceptionally hard, and he did that a lot of times this season. Congratulations to both of us for holding strong on the Brett Bailey line. I know, no, no matter what we're like, I think this guy's still good.
00:43:53
Speaker 2: I think this guy's still good, and we've kind of got to a point where he's good and he's he's going to be I think the third basement next year. I don't think as much question about that, honestly, unless something very unexpected happens with their base position on this team, it's going to be Brett Baity on an opening.
00:44:06
Speaker 1: Day Triple B's Brett Batty Beatier.
00:44:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you have to put him and Alviz together. I think that's I think both of those guys they're such good friends. To remember that little quote that Alfreds had too, it's like, who's your best friends team in bety beaty. I think that they're kind of linked, and I think it's kind of nice that they're linked. They both fall through shits out of adversity this year together, and it's cool to see that. Mark Vientos, oh man, So okay, I'm gonna be mean for a second. I'm I'm gonna argue for f tire, below average hitter, zero negative value defensively.
00:44:38
Speaker 1: So he wasn't positive offensively. He was the worst third basement I think, defensively in all of baseball, and he runs with cinder blocks in his shoes. This version of Mark Vientos is the version that we had seen prior to last year, where he was unplayable, where he's not doesn't really do anything, and as good as he was in twenty twenty four, I can't help shake the feeling that this is actually who Mark Vento's.
00:45:01
Speaker 2: The other weird thing about Mark Fiantos is that while the beginning of the season was topsy turvy, and then he got hurt, and then he was moody and kind of powthy.
00:45:07
Speaker 1: For another month after that, August he was awesome.
00:45:10
Speaker 2: You saw the exact same mark Vanto's just for one month this August that you saw twenty twenty four, where he hit eight of his seventeen home runs on the entire season in that one month of August, which is ridiculous look back on. And then it kind of all fell apart again when we needed him most, he vanished. So if you want to put him an F, I'm not gonna argue against that. I always hit D but I think F is fair. If we've been eya of there, we kind of put Fantos. That was kind of my reasoning.
00:45:32
Speaker 1: And also, it's tough to give someone who literally accumulated negative war anything above. That's true. You just didn't didn't help Luisan Helicunya, I think is gonna be in that same boat. He he cannot hit. He is not a major League baseball player at the plate. Now, he's a great fielder and he can run, but at the plate I don't know if he ever hits for the New York Mets again, I.
00:45:55
Speaker 2: Would tell you, actually, I'm not putting him n f tre where you put it, I don't think so, because if what was asked of him season, which was run and play defense, he did both of those quite well. Like he made the one he made the play in Cincinnati on a Friday night and almost saved this entire team's life.
00:46:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he had his five hundred ops he has.
00:46:12
Speaker 2: I think he had a barrel and he shockingly did have two hundred play appearances.
00:46:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like you remember he was a star there for like a month to start the season. I mean, I get it. He was amazing last year. He saved the season when Lindor had his little back thing. Luis on Heloicunya was amazing. Now, we do know that the bat speed was down from what it was the previous year, and that's a big reason why he was hitting like a child, why he was swinging a pool noodle. I don't think Luisan Heloicunya is not a what's the what's the word I'm saying. I think he's probably like one of the flask guys on your roster right now because of the defense and because of the speed. But he can't be given as big of a role as he was this season with the Mets.
00:46:52
Speaker 2: No he the intention for Luis and Helicunya, I think should be to be Luis Kiorme because the glove isn't that different, truthfully at the end of the day, And do you think there's more and you know there's more speed. So if that's if he is like the twenty fourth or twenty fifth guy on the roster, I think you're in a fine spot. But for some reason, watching that bat speed go from almost seventy four miles an hour, which is considered plus backs speed when he came up in twenty twenty four, it was like, oh my god, it's actually my secret power. So this year being seventy miles an hour, which is way below average bat speed, that's something that needs to be reconciled. But even with all of that being said, I would still put him in d over f because he did again he's here for speeding defense.
00:47:27
Speaker 1: He played earlier in the year.
00:47:28
Speaker 2: He didn't really get many of those played appearances after Jeff McNeil was healthy and Brett Bay surted himself.
00:47:32
Speaker 1: So it's just and I think he did run the bases exceptionally well when he was asked to do so, all right, Like I could give you a D for Luis on hell Ronnie really weird one. Weird one because the peaks were incredible, euphoric and the valleys were devastating. I don't know what to do with Ronnie, Like I want to put him. See that's probably where I'm gonna end up arguing. But also then you look back, You're like, didn't really hit, can't face lefties, can't run the bases. The defense was good but also not good, like it grated well, but watching it, you're like, Ronnie's not very good over there.
00:48:07
Speaker 2: It was good at the actual defense. It was the focus that was bad. And that's the thing that you kind of hate.
00:48:13
Speaker 1: That's bad.
00:48:14
Speaker 2: Like if that's bad, it's like, come on, man, like you you simply just have to be better at that. Now, this all coming off of a major injury towards a major layoffs. Yes, so that's why I kind of I think lean see with Ronnie as in like this was like one of those years that you kind of just have to put behind you and hope you see a little bit better.
00:48:31
Speaker 1: We saw the flashes that we always do. We just need that to be a little more consistent.
00:48:35
Speaker 2: I was kind of going to argue D for these similar reasons where it's just you, Especially because the way the season ended, Ryan Rizio had major opportunities to, like true, do something legitimately.
00:48:46
Speaker 1: Serious and cool.
00:48:46
Speaker 2: I do think he also made strides this year by the end of the season out the play where at least there was some kind of modicum of patience that was coming through more so we've ever seen his career, major league, minor league, anywhere. It was also the funny thing with Ronnie where he he's a guy that the perception of some people in the Mets community and what we've seen on the field are so different. Like I almost I almost can't believe how much confidence some Mets fans haveing Ronnie. I had a conversation on Sunday after the game and emotions were high. Shout out the ice House, special guic House. But this guy was telling me that he wants Ronnie to be starting their race next year, your trade baby. I was like, what have you seen to make you possibly think that it would be a way worse team if that happened.
00:49:21
Speaker 1: I was like, you can't expect you.
00:49:23
Speaker 2: You can't say I want Ronnie to be starting their basement and say you want to have World Series aspirations, like if you And it's a weird situation for Ronnie because he is twenty four years old already. He's going to get a ton of run this year in the in the league home and I'm excited to watch him out there and do that. Think he's gonna have a great time. Ryan Marize is the kind of guy where I wish in Major League Baseball we could do what they do in European soccer.
00:49:42
Speaker 1: I would love to send him on loan. I would love for Ryan.
00:49:44
Speaker 2: Marizio against Rockies five hundred played appearances next year on the A's or the White Sox or something the Diamondbacks, just like, give him, give him a role somewhere, let him face major league pitching, because he's not going to figure out these holes against minor league pitching.
00:49:58
Speaker 1: He's not good enough to get full playing time on a winning ball club. It's a weird situation. Unfortunately, he just can't platoon with Baby. Just can't do it.
00:50:06
Speaker 2: No, it's too too much of the same guy. Could be two Vientos, but that's neither here nor there. You want to put him in d yeah, I think day okay, defer because they were he had big opportunities and was disappointing in almost all of them. I mean, he had the huge horne against Ransey Rodriguez, but it's just it all disappeared. Brandon Nemo weird one, weird one.
00:50:24
Speaker 1: I'll i'll, I'll take off the anger that I've had for how he played this year, and truthfully, he probably was a C tier player on this Mets roster. They treated him as if he was one of the most like, as if he was in the same tier of the Alonso Lindor Soto like based on for sure, he's not that player. You want Brandon Nemo hitting sixth. You don't want him hitting fourth in a lineup. If he hit six then put up a one to fifteen ops plus, you'd feel really good. But the fact that brand Nemo was getting a ton of at bats in big moments with guys on base and came through sometimes, didn't come through a lot of times, and was also not going to let field it leaves a weird taste in your mouth. But I don't think I can go below see for him.
00:51:04
Speaker 2: And just to be a little bit extra critical of Nemo, like when the going got tough in September, and again when we've said it a few times now, so the Lindoro Alonzo all showed up big time over that stretch. They were three of the best hitters in baseball in the month of September. Brandon Nimo kind of disappeared. He had a lot of opportunities in that month, him and Mark Fiento's And when you felt the lineup get over that Pete Alonzo hump too, Nimo and Viento's, you kind of felt like you had to scrape something together to possibly turn the lineup over to give those guys another shot. Like it was a situation where we still like Brandon a lot in the show. I know Brandon was going to still be on this team for a long time. Brandon was still a guy that might, you know, wind up at getting his way to the Mets record books because of how many play appearance.
00:51:43
Speaker 1: He's going to wind up for this team.
00:51:44
Speaker 2: But if he can't play defense anymore and he's not getting on base anymore, it's a weird conversation.
00:51:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again this is about the twenty twenty five season. I think even Brandon will tell you it was a disappointing season for him. That being said, he did not hurt the Mets. He just again wasn't the player that we hoped he was. So I think that's probably why he goes and see. Can I give one crazy prediction about brand Nemo? Yes, I think they see brand Nemo pick up a first basement's mid in spring training. Whoa.
00:52:09
Speaker 2: And that has nothing to do with whether and I think Plan is going to beyond this team. I still think Plans will be on this team, but I think that they're gonna give Nimo at least a tiny bit of a shot to see if that's remotely possible.
00:52:19
Speaker 1: I mean, he moves like a robot, so's he can't throw, can't throw. It's tough watching him play the outfield, truthfully. Yeah, it's just which is crazy because a few years ago he was unbelievable in center field. Incredible.
00:52:32
Speaker 2: It was at least he was passable, like a good twenty twenty two. He was like a plus plus that's what a outfielder. Yeah, yeah, and a good center fielder. It's it's just I don't know what it is. I mean, these kinds, these guys who were just you know, these these white boys from the from the West Midwest like this, like the bye just deteriorates so fast.
00:52:47
Speaker 1: I mean, he was a guy who was always getting hurt too.
00:52:49
Speaker 2: So yeah, so it's weird things like neck like he's can think a sore neck Like that's kind of thing that makes me think there's like a persistent.
00:52:55
Speaker 1: Issue Tyrone Taylor. It's gonna be here again next year. They control he's cheap, plays good defense, can't hit c your d probably for Tyrone. I was almost going to tell you Tyrone Taylor should be a b just because.
00:53:10
Speaker 2: Of how much losing him hurt fair but also but also that's not really a credit to him. Sure, that's more of a fault to the Mets, and David serves totally. We're still greating these players on like what they did for this team, and he didn't.
00:53:25
Speaker 1: Really do that much. He played a defense, but couldn't hit.
00:53:28
Speaker 2: A lot of this is the recentcy bias, because when Tyron Taylor came back to the end of the season, he was actually a guy that was moving the line of brown.
00:53:33
Speaker 1: Al Right, he didn't hit it long. He had a five ninety eight oh ps.
00:53:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, the on base percent has dropped to two eighties, who might be nice putting him in C. But yeah, I think that's respectful to put Tyreon Taylor in just defensive first center fielder, which is fine.
00:53:45
Speaker 1: Tyler McGill, God, remember this guy. I wish he could hurt. Sadly, he's another guy who probably never throws another pitch for the Mets.
00:53:53
Speaker 2: Doesn't feel like well, I mean, they still have control over him until twenty twenty eight. Okay, Sea may actually Rob will throw another pitch for the Mets to them, but we know he's gonna truthfully flourish out in Seattle, San Francisco, wherever it winds up being.
00:54:04
Speaker 1: But at the same time, he's gonna be the He's gonna be the Las Vegas a's three starter once they get there. Mark. Where did Tyler McGill rank on this Mets team and innings pitch this season? Fifth? Yep? Fifth, Okay, I was like, it can't it can't be higher than fourth with sixty eight innings he got this team? What? What the fuck? David Sturts, goddamn it, what happened here?
00:54:25
Speaker 2: But I I guess see, just because you were gonna sneak me into arguing for b but he was pitching really poorly before he got injured. But when he did get injured, you really felt the loss of like just a good, solid fifth starter.
00:54:40
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, he shrunk out nearly thirty percent of the batters he faced. I know he walks a lot of guys, but like the katea walk ratio being twenty percent is one of the best on this entire roster.
00:54:49
Speaker 2: So and it was one that while again he was dipping down as he got hurt, just striking out that many bathers, you expect that to take back up a little bit. He's he'll always be the you know, the one we can't figure out at least.
00:55:01
Speaker 1: You know that's Francisco Alberas. Yeah, that's it. Oh man, Cedric Mullins ass ass. I hate so that to Cedric. But he didn't Did he do anything good? Did he have one good moment? He hit that one home run in the game when we were up already by a ton. Didn't he the home run against the Rangers and was close? Yeah, I guess that's that's about it. No, it was very bad.
00:55:26
Speaker 2: And there's also another one where people are going to rail against David Stearns, but This is the worst baseball Cedric Mallins has ever played.
00:55:33
Speaker 1: In his life. And that's ever, and that's including when he thought he could switch hit and then quit because he was so bad at hitting right handed.
00:55:40
Speaker 2: Imagine telling other Mets fans that that he was used to be a switch hitter magic Cedric, maybe should just hit righty.
00:55:45
Speaker 1: Just for the vibes, That's what I'm saying. I was like, maybe it's change it up.
00:55:48
Speaker 2: But that was just one of the catastrophic set of acquisitions on deadline day between Elsie and Mullins.
00:55:55
Speaker 1: So you're talking about catastrophic acquisitions. Yeah, Jose Siri also belongs in the ass. Yeah, this one. This one hurt me to my core because he's such a fun player from a roster building standpoint of His numbers are always going to look horrible, but he can hit home runs and he normally plays elite, elite, elite defense. He did none of that for the Mets. He played some of the worst defense in centerfield I've truthfully ever seen, and he had the worst at bats I've ever seen.
00:56:24
Speaker 2: He made the bat look like it weighed one thousand pounds. So in some more bottom of the Mets roster trivia Mark, Jose Siri. You think his strike guy rate was in thirty six play appearance, He's got to be seventy five percent. No, it was only forty seven percent.
00:56:37
Speaker 1: But that might be better than it was last year because he is a guy who strikes out like fifty percent of the time. He was fun fact about him. Every time Jose Sirie got on base, he did score. Was that true even until the end? I think so. I think until the end, every single time Jose Sirie got on base, he scored. If not, there was like one time where he got on base and didn't score. So our Agent of Chaos was an absolute disaster. Yeah. Next one's another one, another weird one. Shakira's favorite player, Travis Shankowski.
00:57:05
Speaker 2: I mean he appeared in five games, he only got to play one time. I think if you just had to give him a see for that.
00:57:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, Travis, I can't even believe he made it back, but give him a ce. Let's move on to Starling Marte.
00:57:16
Speaker 2: Weird one, very weird one, because this is one that again, happy to say I was wrong about heading into the season, but a lot of the Starling Marte hate came from the fact that he clogged up this roster in a dramatic way, like if you could have just the roster spot, and we said it, then we said in the middle of the say now at the end of this all the Martine and Fiantros on a roster together was always difficult to stomach. And it was a really difficult thing when you have two guys who can't play defense and can't move and our neglice platoon guys to be taking up roster spots at the same time. And it did wind up kind of seemingly hurting this team through the team building process in the offseas, especially when you lose a guy like Winker who also couldn't move or play defense.
00:57:53
Speaker 1: Beliast he could hit. I guess so many guys that couldn't move or play defense. It's crazy.
00:57:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just looking back like us this this bench and and the bench became so bad at the end of the year. And weirdly, Starling Marte didn't get a play appearance in the last game when he had Jeff McNeil up against the left like Jared Young. I know he's a lefty, but gotta play the appearance at over Starling Marte.
00:58:11
Speaker 1: At the end, just strange season. I do still think he played well though for what he was.
00:58:15
Speaker 2: Like, we're not I'm not chastising this great isn't about your tangibility as a player, you know what I mean?
00:58:21
Speaker 1: Like, it's about how you perform. I think Fry performed. He still should be at Baby. Oh really, I was gonna put him in C I think I think because one like he hit two seventy the ops was similar to Nimo's at like seven forty five. He didn't really like he was treated. We know he's not fast, but on this team he was treated as supposed to be like a speed guy. Maybe be maybe b for the vibes because he was unk and he was keeping the vibes up with the chonkola and everything like that. But I don't know. I think Starling Martes is see. I think we got the most we ever could out of him. That's probably the best Starling mart is gonna play for the rest of his life. I can't put him in be like we saw Brett Baty Alvarez. These guys do good things. Can Can you tell me what stornemore Te did good this year? I guess that's right, if you're a DH with m fifthty ops, how much better can you be? Nimo was way better than him. Yeah, definitely, so I'm gonna put him in Ce Jesse Winker. How many games did he play for us?
00:59:17
Speaker 2: Like the twenty Jesse Winker this year appeared in twenty six games?
00:59:22
Speaker 1: Pretty good? He was like that shit when he played too, Yeah, I mean he he low key besides the postseason, never played particularly well for the Mets. Unfair because the injury. Definitely a vibes guy. I like Jesse Winker, but I don't think he ever plays for the Mets again. And the just phantom injuries that this guy gets for seemingly existing is pretty tough. I don't hate Jesse Winker. I don't wish bad on him, but not for my team anymore.
00:59:48
Speaker 2: It's another classic white boy's body is breaking down the early thirties really knocking on which for that one. But yeah, thirty two years older, just like the back is now gone. It's like, how can it be gone? But like he gets a bet, a bet, He's like, guy, my back's locked. I don't know, maybe that's maybe that's just what happens when you get older and It's funny to also look at Jesse Wier's career in retrospect because besides for the last season when he stole fourteen bases, he stole four total bases. What uh, and then he totally fell apart c r D for him, I guess it just has to be deeps. When he played, he wasn't good and he was wasn't available. Yeah, he finished like a Vibes guy, but he didn't perform when he was here.
01:00:21
Speaker 1: No, and he was supposed to hit for more power. Never did I believe this is Jared Young, that that's Jared Young. It's gotta be. I'm gonna look up Jared Young's face. No, based on who's left, it ask to be Jared Yale, and it is Jared Young. I think I'm gonna put him in the D tier as well. He basically was Jesse Winker in the same amount of games. He had more home runs of Jesse Winker. But Jared Young was not very good.
01:00:45
Speaker 2: No, it was not like that was one where again we hope, we were hopeful about Jared Young just because there was fun bad at ball data, but it just didn't None of vic games of fruition. Remember that one home run at home, like when he like six in the first inning.
01:00:56
Speaker 1: Who was that against?
01:00:57
Speaker 2: Dylan Cees? Was that Padre still and Cease was one? It was a day one of the next playoff games.
01:01:02
Speaker 1: I can tell you right now because it's he didn't do much this year. Could just pull up his game logs and we could definitely find out when he did that at home? He did it against? Was that the White Socks? Was the White Sox? It was the white who pitched that game. Let's just for conversations, that was Memorial Day. Oh yeah, Jonathan Cannon and Jared Schuster, those guys suck. Yeah, yeah, I guess for Jered down d f what if his ops I think was like five something. Put them where you're comfortable. Oh, seven, two, we'll put him in day. Yeah, there you go, There you go. He was a power, power guy. Frankie Monta's as ass. Frankie fastballs. We'll never pitch another pitch for the New York Mets. He's done. He's gonna pick up his player option. He's gonna cost us money, and this will go down as the worst signing that David Surtins probably ever has made in his entire life. Oh this will this will be also the one that people will talk about with David Stearns forever, like this is your You're tied to Frankie Mantas in eternity, I mean our our partner's of Refoul Territory talk about this one all the time. They hate Frankie monta elite hate for this guy. And to be very sucked. He was horrible and he was terrible. He kind of has sucked every year except the year where he cheated and took steroids, and last year he was okay. Yeah, he was okay, but not okay somehow not negative war pure zero. I can't believe that honestly. Yeah, but he was definitely ass. He was major ass. Blade did well such the few appearances it made, it was pretty horrible. Yeah, it was not good. Was still hopeful in the stuff.
01:02:25
Speaker 2: But then now I don't know what's gonna happen with him in the Giants, he was pretty ass. I think it would be nice to the kid for a f will give Blaze.
01:02:32
Speaker 1: He got thrown into the fire, read.
01:02:34
Speaker 2: Garrett, I, this is this is one where you went up and down heavily. But I think you still have to give him a sa Yeah, yeah, he still had it. When the year ended, the Ray somehow was still under four. And he's guess where Reid Garrett ranked on.
01:02:50
Speaker 1: The messin innings pitch this season. Eighth tenth but yeah, fifty five innings. My gut wants to say, d you're saying, see, yeah.
01:02:59
Speaker 2: I think this is when you like Mark Kakaylo really started to be born with the hate to read Garrett through through the second half of the season. But I wonder he warmed up every day in April mayor every day.
01:03:10
Speaker 1: What was the blew his arm out? His pit was better than he pitched? What was his inherited runner rate? I would love to know how many of the inherited runners he got scored, because it felt like every time he came in in the middle of an inning, they just absolutely tore him apart. How do you find that? I don't know.
01:03:24
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a stat that we keep. I think someone has to keep. It has to be in Baseball Reference.
01:03:28
Speaker 1: I don't see it on Baseball Reference or I don't know what the abbreviation is.
01:03:33
Speaker 2: It might be a way, the abbreviation one, but it's just again like this, this was situation where it felt like the team kind of failed read Garrett, like you just he pitched so much, so often early in the season as two years agow, we did that and he completely died.
01:03:47
Speaker 1: All right, I'll give you a see, but I want it to be known. I want him in. D Ryan stanniks, Ryan Stannik.
01:03:56
Speaker 2: Where do you think Ryan Stannick rank mark this year in the innings? Pitch in the next ninth, ninth, nailed it nice. I remember the numbers I've been guessing. Yeah, it's crazy memory, but yeah, Ryan Standick wound up throwing this the third most innings for any Mets reliever.
01:04:08
Speaker 1: And he shouldn't have. He should have been off this team a long time ago. I don't know what the deal is with him that he basically didn't pitch well almost at all this year, but somehow remained on this roster seemingly for no reason. Because he throws a hundred. That the whole reason. But he throws the most hittab one hundred I've ever seen.
01:04:25
Speaker 2: Yes, and again I think it was that favorable remembrance of last year in the postseason, him just becoming the seven man.
01:04:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was bad. Philmm Tom was way better than him this year. Who thought that was gonna happen? Edwin DS, I think this is probably one of the easiest ones. S. He's the best reliever in baseball. If not one, he's number two. He's ridiculous. He's the last one mark Edwin DS rank on the Mets and innings pitch. I don't think I said sixth, he was sixth. Nice. He threw the sixth most, the most of any reliever on this team, Edwin d S. I mean that's good. He should throw the most innings of any real on a team, and the second most, maybe for like a swing guy to get to eighty. My bold prediction is that David Sterns is gonna do the Undavid Sterns like thing, and he's gonna pay Edwin Das. I think he's one of the few relievers that should be paid, and I think the Mets actually have no other choice but to pay him what he asks for.
01:05:19
Speaker 2: Bout my bold prediction. Yes, I don't think he actually formally opts out. I think that we come to an agreement, oh like a softer deal where he still gets some more years.
01:05:30
Speaker 1: But I don't think.
01:05:31
Speaker 2: I don't see the af you going up that much because I don't know what a closer with a qualifying offer attached, then we'll get in the free agent market.
01:05:37
Speaker 1: I really don't.
01:05:38
Speaker 2: That's a really strange Do we still have it attached? That never happened yet he hasn't been a free agent.
01:05:43
Speaker 1: Yeah he was, Oh he was? Yeah? But did we ever off from the qualifying offer? I'm sure we did. There's no way we didn't offer Edwin did As the qualifying offer. You can look that one up. But the numbers are unbelievable. He strikes everybody out. He dominates. The fastballs incredible, the slider's incredible. He's just really good. It's crazy where Edwin Dyas has come. But I think he's one of the priorities this offseason. We know how bad this bullpen was and that's with him. We need to bring him back. I think there's no other choice. So let's see Edwin Diaz to do. Were scrolling twenty twenty two qualifying offers with a crazy tab. I'm scrolling on here. You know we did not offer the qualifying offer, so then can we offer him one hour or is it only the first time you hit free agency? Great question. I feel like We always go back and forth on this. It's one of these weird things that we probably don't need to know but should know for some reason.
01:06:33
Speaker 2: On MLB's website this year, he was never even available. He was not noble players who did not receive the qualifying offer, And then he also was not listed for.
01:06:43
Speaker 1: Eligible for the qualifying offer.
01:06:45
Speaker 2: Was it because the Mets got him from the Mariners? Was he ever actually a free agent? Was there one year left and gave him a fat extension?
01:06:52
Speaker 1: He was a free agent? He was a free agent definitely. Why was he ineligible for the qualifying offer? Then? I don't know. Someone can let us know in the comment section, someone smarter than us. But remember when I was like David sturtns would love the trade Edwin Diaz. I think David Starns now is like, I can't let this guy go. Yeah, But I also think at the same time, I like what you just at. Yeah.
01:07:11
Speaker 2: I think I think I think everyone here knows that this is the best case scenario for everybody, and it just will continue.
01:07:16
Speaker 1: Clay Holmes, this is gonna be a contentious one for smart people vers idiots, because smart people, I think you got to put Clay Holmes in a I.
01:07:26
Speaker 2: Was I was ready because my sword was that argue for Clay Holmes, and No, I think he has to be an a.
01:07:30
Speaker 1: The fact that he went from a reliever to starter or gave us what one hundred and sixty innings of a three to five ERA one hundred and sixty five three five game one sixty one through a one hitter through six. Clay Holmes is Clay Man. He's good. He's really good, and I feel very confident with him being in the rotation next season. I'm glad he's in the rotation as a four or five ground balls. He can get strikeouts sometimes, but that doesn't seem to be the most sustainable version of him as a starting pitcher. And for a first year ever being a starter like this at the major league level, Yeah, probably couldn't have asked for a better year from Clay Holmes. No, this was a complete resounding success. Like as bad as Mantas was and some of the other guys that David Surs went after, this in terms of value wise, was one of the best pickups that the Mets made, one of the best pickups that were made in Major League baseball.
01:08:19
Speaker 2: This was the one that it actually worked out, like in terms of what should have happened with this rotation this season, like this was the one we're like, all right, that actually was the one where the magic did happen, the same magic that we got from all of the guys basically the year before.
01:08:32
Speaker 1: But Clay Holmes did.
01:08:33
Speaker 2: He turned in like though Louis Severino season even better than Louis averreena looking back, which is kind of funny.
01:08:38
Speaker 1: To say, who threw more innings this year, James Jack Flaherty or Clay Holmes. Probably Clay Holmes, right, Clay Holmes by four, and he had a significantly lower ra Just again, everyone likes to talk about that the Mets didn't go out and get a big arm. You heard John Hayman slur his words asking questions about that Clay Holmes is not the big arm, but he was better than the other options out there, and Mets hit a home run on him.
01:09:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, Clay Holmes basically performed like one of the best free agent starting pitcher signings this past offseason. Again, the problem with this Mes rotation did come back to Sean and I I saying, yes, that's it, it comes back, and it's just not dating the Edmund Diaz thing. In twenty twenty two, he was eligible to receive the qualifying offer, but did not receive one. Wow, Okay, so I guess you still can maybe I don't know you guys, will you?
01:09:23
Speaker 1: I got you right here.
01:09:23
Speaker 2: The only qualifications receiven qualifying offer that player has never received the qualifying offer previously in their career. That player spent the entire season on that team's roster.
01:09:31
Speaker 1: Okay, that I guess they technically could offer him one.
01:09:34
Speaker 2: If he were to opt out, and having that hanging over his head, that's a really good reason to work out an extension.
01:09:38
Speaker 1: Yep. I like that a lot. I feel really good about that. Last guy never made an appearance. Dylan Ross. I think I'm just gonna leave him down there. I don't think I'm gonna thank him. He didn't do anything. He literally never played, right. That's Dylan Ross. It has to be Dylan Ross because we've gone through I think every other person Ross. Let's see Dylan. I'm literally Loss.
01:09:57
Speaker 2: I have the list of every single pitcher that pitched the season for the met it's working through it, and we have gone through every other guy.
01:10:02
Speaker 1: I'm trying to see. Yeah it's Dylan Ross. Okay, yeah, we're not gonna rank him, but he throws one hundred and I'm very excited to see what he's got for us next season because the stuff and.
01:10:09
Speaker 2: TRIPLEA looked awesome. I am kind of happy we didn't see him because he doesn't know where the ball is going. So I think coming into one of these super high leverage games that could have done the thing where Mets fans turned on him forever if he had one bad out of thing. So nice that we still have untouched snow with Dylan Ross.
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Speaker 1: Guys, this is our tier list. It's crazy, it's ridiculous. You let us know in the comment section what you think. I can't wait to tweet out this tear list and just see what people say when it's like soda right next to Tom hambl right next to Nolan mclade, who, arguably because people are gonna objectively look at it and think that it's ranked inside the Tears as well. Oh yeah, so like seeing Rico Garcia ahead of Peter Alonzo, Francisco Indoor, Edwin Diaz is also really fucking funny. Also might be fair. That's it, guys, Thank you for listening. Thanks for watching. Make sure you're subscribed. You can follow James on social media at James Shanna. I'm drafting Mark with a CE. We will catch you, guys all, probably next week for an episod, so we'll see that. Peace out, peace out, guys,