Sensual Creatures: Vampires, Frilly Shirts, and Interview with a Vampire with Jonny Lee Jr.

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world loves this stuff. So people come on this podcast
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whatever side the nerdy side is. And this entity interview
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with a vampire is not something that is brand new
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to me spoiler alert. I read the book, I saw
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the movie when it came out. I loved it, but
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I wouldn't call me nerdy about it whatsoever. And then
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I know there's a new series, so who better than
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to recruit me to the vampire side than one of
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my favorite people, one of everybody's favorite returning guests, actor, singer, brilliant,
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wonderful man, Johnny Lee Junior is back.
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Hi everybody.
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Hi Johnny, whatcha wear?
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Aaron?
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I am wearing my vampire shirt. It's like one of
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those rerillly like late eighteenth century shirts, you know. Yeah,
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it's my face, it's my style.
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Yeah. Not many people dress up for the podcast, so
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I appreciate your extra effort. I did it for my
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Prince episode. I wore like a flowy purple blouse that
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I had right. Okay, we're doing our best just to
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make us happy, but nobody can see it.
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Pully a little hot, but I'm okay.
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Hey, look, if this episode gets naked, I think it's
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fine for either one of us or for our listeners,
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like whoever wants to.
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It's very apt for this series and movie and book.
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Yes, interview with the Vampire. Tell me what your history is.
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I'm assuming you read the book first before the movie
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came out.
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I saw the movie first because it came out in
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the early nineties right now. I remember watching the movie
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with my parents. I was still a child, and I
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was scared shitless when I watched it, right because it
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was about a vampire and it was super creepy. I
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remember the scene with Claudia getting turned to the vampire
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really creeped me out, but also like I couldn't stop
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watching it. And then when I got to the end
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of the movie, I was like, this is sad, this
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is scary. I don't know how I feel about it.
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And then years later I decided to read the book.
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And then I read the book basically as a pugubescent teenager,
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the perfect time to read a vampire novel. Yes, fell
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in love with the book, and then watched the movie
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again and basically fell in love with it really for
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the first time after reading the book.
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Okay, and then the series. Did you start that right
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when it came on or did you come yeah?
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Yeah, no, no. When it premiered, I was like, I'm
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watching it. I watched every single episode when it came out,
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and I watched it twice.
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Okay, that counts NERD NERD alert there it is. So
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is are you a vampire person like or were you
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excited to see this or you were a kid and
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her parents just said hey, Tom Cruise is in a
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new movie Let's Go.
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No. Actually, I had no particular feelings towards vampires. Ever.
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I maybe dressed up as Dracula, I think when I
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was in first grade, and it was only really reading
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the Anne Rice's Vampire Chronicles where I became kind of
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obsessed with the idea of vampirism and immortality in particular,
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more so with the immortality than the drinking blood aspect.
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But she Anne Rice definitely created a very like sexy
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type of creature that was like very into as a teenager.
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Well she also, as I was watching this, she establishes
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new rules and throws out some of the things like
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there are no bats, no an interview with the vampire.
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So a lot of the things we've come to see
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as standard she ignores. And I like that she made
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it her own and created this world that felt very
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visceral and we're in the world. The movie's so beautiful
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to look at. The director Neil Jordan at the time
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was coming off crying game and you know, but you
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feel like you are dropped down in whatever time and
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country they are in. You are surrounded by it. And
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she made these vampires seem realistic.
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Yeah, and I think it's really the first time in
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literature where you had a vampire that seemed very human
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but also otherworldly as well. It's really because of Anne
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Rice that's something like Twilight became a thing, you know, absolutely, Yeah,
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Before then, vampires were just Dracula or No s Faratu,
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and they were scary that changing creatures, right, and only
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in Transylvania with a weird accent.
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Yes, or on Sesame Street counting things, I mean exactly
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to be fair, well, this as the cast started on
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the screen opening credits, I remembered obviously Brad Pitt, Kirsten Dunce,
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Tom Cruise, and then it kept going and I was like,
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oh my gosh, Teddy Newton before anyone knew who she was,
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and Stephen Ray and Tonio benderis like, it's just a
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listers across the board.
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Crazy, right it was?
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And I have a lot to say about the casting
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and a lot of the preliminary research I have done,
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But do you think it was well cast?
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I Tom Cruise in particular, yes, but both of them
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were great casting choices. I think Claudiakrearson Dunce in her
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basically movie debut was actually perfect casting. I do wonder
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what we would have been like with their other choice,
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which was Evan Rachel would Oh. They decided not against
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her because she was actually too young and too appropriate
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because you know how Claudia is five years old in
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the book, so they were like, it's a little too dick.
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Well, they need did a young person who could be directed?
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And yeah, they needed to cast older exactly.
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The only casting choice that I was a little bit
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and still am iffy about is Antonio Bendadas.
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Can we put a pin in that because because he's
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so much later in the movie and I have I
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have a few thoughts about that, of course, But I
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read that Anne Rice was pissed that Tom Cruise.
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Was cast you. She had she was just like, why
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would you cast Tom Cruise? He is not let at
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what are you doing?
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And then she saw the movie and she didn't want
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eighty And I think I think we all as a
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collective society did that. In my humble opinion, I thought
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he was fantastic and not Tom cruisey. I thought he
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really went for it. I really loved him, and I
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remember the idea of like Tom Cruise as lostete what no,
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And I I think he pulled it off.
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I really did, honestly, Like you know, when I watched
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the movie the second time, knowing Tom Crews as an actor,
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I was very very surprised and just kind of like
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I bought it. I was like, you are the stat
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this is insane. I don't see Tom cruise at all.
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Yeah, oh yeay, okay, oh so far we're getting along
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just fine. Sometimes it gets pretty contentious up in here.
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But I think that the conceit of having this be
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an interview and start in the present day and with
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just chainsmoking Christian Slater saying, oh yeah, okay, you're a vampire. Really,
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I think that is beyond genius. And had she just
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set this, you know, if the first part of the
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book or the movie, and I don't know the book
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as well I read it, they're twenty years ago. But
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if it were like eighteen thirty New Orleans, you know,
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I don't know that we would have immediately bought everything.
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But having it set in the present and having it
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being told in flashback just connects us so instantly.
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Yeah, I one hundred percent agree, because if you just
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start it out in the eighteen hundreds or seventeen hundreds,
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where the movie is set, I think it kind of
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makes it a very historical piece, and sometimes you'll really
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want to get into that because there's like that sort
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of feeling about the dauntingness of a historical drama. Right.
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It's like you don't just sit down and watch Down
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to Abbey out of Nowhere, or like go watch a
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World War two movie expecting it, you know, an easy time. Right,
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But with the framework of the interview, it's quite inviting.
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And not only is it historical, which I agree can
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be a heavy lift, then you're adding all of this
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lore you know of vampires and somehow it's like candy,
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we get it, We're there, we understand everything, and we're
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dropped in and we're happy.
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Yeah. I do want to say that partially, I would
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like to say that the reason why it's such a
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draw is because of the visuals, right, the beautiful visuals.
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Then Neil Jordan right assessin yeah, yeah, and then you've
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always came up with yeah. And he actually had such
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a great eye. I remember he made another movie years
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later that was also another vampire movie starring shir Sharonan
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I think, and that was also visually beautiful as well,
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Like what a great eye this director has.
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Yeah, I don't know what that movie would be, but
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I will have my research department get on that.
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Yeah. I can't remember the name of it, but it
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was also another vampire movie.
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Basically I mentioned that it starts with a journalist played
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Daniel Maloy played by Christian Slater. In the movie, Yes,
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didn't he seem a little too comfortable and relaxed around
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a vampire.
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For you critics later in Particut? Maybe a little bit,
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But I feel like in the books Daniel was either
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on some drugs at that point, so it could be
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forgiven for that reason, But I'm not one hundred percent sure.
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I haven't read the book like you in a really way.
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Right, I wish we would have seen him do that,
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but we don't see We see him smoking, and he
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so Brad Pitt does a weird move and is basically
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in two places at once, and Christian's leaders really thrown.
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He's like, how did you do that? What's going on?
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You're serious? You're a vampire? Oh my god. And then
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in the next scene he's lighting a cigarette and offering
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Brad Pitt one and he's like, I mean, you can't
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die from cancer, right, And I was like, you adjusted
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that quickly to the fact that this is a vampire
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and you're not scared or like he's just their buddy. Buddy.
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Well, it's kind of like, you know, if you are
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a journalist that's in a war or something like that,
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you just have to plow through and just do your job.
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Maybe you know, down Lilloy at that moment had that mentality.
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Who knows. I mean, I don't know anybody in real
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life that that's ever met a vampire, so we can't
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say what the actual reaction would be. I do want
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to say, yeah, it is kind of weird that he's
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like super casual about it, But how can we get
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into the story if he isn't you know?
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Yeah, I I don't know if it's just me, but
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I would have liked to have seen a little more.
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Like so can I ask you a few questions? And
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for those of you who can't see me, I'm doing
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a very brilliant interpretation of a nervous person, you know,
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like being on edge, or hey, let's not sit so
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close together, like is it cool if you stay on
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the other side of the room, or like but he's
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he's just like all right, have a seat, let's talk.
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I don't know, like on that topic though, Like skipping
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forward just a little bit, I would like to say
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that Eric Pagosian's portrayal of DOWNLOI so good and there's
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like the new once I feel like that you want
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from Christian Slater's portrayal is in that version.
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In my opinion, it's it's entirely different. Entirely yeah, very
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different and not. I was a little confused because I thought, oh,
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is it is this taking place after interview with the
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vampire of the movie and it's Daniel mLOY thirty years later?
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But it's not. It's instead of it's like as if
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that never happened in Daniel mLOY is a man in
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his seventies. I think Eric Bagosian is. But and I've
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always loved him so much. Cruelty to animals in the
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first thirty minutes of this movie, rats, poodles, chickens.
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So much, my goodness.
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I mean, there's a lot of next snapping and drinking
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the blood and throwing carcasses and tormenting these these innocent animals.
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Where is Peta in all of this? Johnny right?
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I mean, who cares about the but that poor little doggie?
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Oh?
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I mean I actually say that rats are very, very
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kind and intelligent creatures, but you know, we have those that, like,
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you know that dirtyness factor that we always think about
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with rats.
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rat Lobby's got to be pissed because then Claudie is like, hey,
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you ate rats, and everyone's just anti rat.
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Like the real world.
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was in the beginning now I mean, yeah.
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Sorry, even even the human cruelty was quite shocking when
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I was watching it. Like the scene that sticks in
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my mind is that one scene in the Whorehouse where
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I think was that bites that prostitutes breasts and she
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starts bleeding, and I remember how shocking that was. I
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was shocked watching it and very disturbed because it's just
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something that you would never think about, right watching the
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blood pool down her dress, Oh my goodness.
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And she's in ecstasy and then she's yeah, argiede. Well,
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that is one observation I had that again an rice
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not following the rules. They bite other body parts as
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much as necks. It wasn't all just like the two
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fang thing in the neck. M He bit breasts and
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wrists and other.
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Body part to get to the blood.
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I guess, and I mean it makes it more sensual.
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Oh, most definitely. And that's actually probably the main descriptor
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of Anne Rice's vampires is that they're central creatures.
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I'm going to dive further into this. This sensuality right
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after this. I think it is very sensual and very sexy,
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but it has a nice balance with how grotesque and
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heartbreaking it is. Like the woman who sees her breast
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and or the woman on stage at the end who's
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begging for her life, but she's naked and beautiful, and
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it's it's so fucking powerful this balance, right, It's not
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just glamorized sexy. Oh look, they're vampires and they make
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out and do hot stuff. It's really viscerally upsetting.
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Yeah, it really is. Like the woman in the Piatro
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devan pre she is like I did not want her
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to die, and when she died the first time I
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watched the movie as a child, it kind of scarred me.
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It was very very sad and scary and everything all
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in that one moment. And you know, like, because the
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thing is, you watch a regular horror movie and you
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can kind of be numb to it. But something about
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this particular story made you feel every single human loss
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very viscerally strongly, you.
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Know, And I'm not making light, but there is also
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something like, as a woman or as a gay man,
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who has we've all been drawn to the bad boy.
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We've all made dumb choices. Well not you, You've been
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with the same man for one hundred and eighty five years.
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But you know, I can think of how many times
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I lost myself or did something that I'm like, what
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am I doing? I'm like, I'm just trying to impress
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this guy. And that's what all the women seem to
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go through at the end of their lives. They go
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through this like not being true to themselves because he's
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this handsome, charming guy and he gives them wine and
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then they're like oh and then they're killed and it's
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it's like salt on the wounds. Yeah, very compromised who
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they are?
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Yeah, yeah, totally.
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Yeah. Oh now I'm depressed.
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Rice.
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Well, here's a deep question for you. Are you ready?
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Of course?
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Why do you think Lestat recruits Louis?
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I think because the stat is a very lonely person.
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Because if you read the second novel in the series
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The Vampires, Stat you get to know him from his
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own perspective, because keep in mind Inchiewing with the Vampires
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from Louie's perspective, So everything that lastat is from his
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own perspective is actually kind of opposite of what you
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see in Interview with the Vampire. He in the book
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says that he only kills people who have harmed or
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murdered other people, And you don't know that from watching
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Interview the Vampire. You know, like in his own description
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that like that prossly that he kills in the movie,
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he said that they would poison their customers and steal
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their money and kill them. And he had every rebuttal
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to everything that Louis said in his own book to
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paint the picture that's completely different. So as a character,
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the stat is looking for companionship. He's looking for that
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person to really be his number one, his his his
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his person, you know, his his main love, and he
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found that in Louis.
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Do you think he is in love with Louis from
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the movie. Let's stick with the movie, because I think
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it's quite clear in the show.
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Okay, in the movie, I would say, because they don't
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very they don't get really into the nitty gritty of
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their relationship. I do want to say Tom Cruise's portrayal
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of the stat is more selfish than anything else, and
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that is from Louie's perspective, you know. But there's a
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reason why these two characters were drawn to each other
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and lived such a long life together. You know, they
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have to love each other at some point. It's abusive,
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but there is some sort of love there.
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I definitely think there is. I wrote not Great for
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Tom Cruise, who at the time and was denying being gay,
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because I do think this there was a sensuality between them.
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But I also think Lestat has such an ego that
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he wanted a protege to build him up. And he yes,
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I do think he's in love with Louis, but there's
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something about the but I'll teach you, but I'll mold you.
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But it's like that's ego.
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It's definitely ego. And actually what lends to that idea
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is that Louis is not his first vampire child protege
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or whatever. You know. He actually had another person named
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Nicholas back in France that was his childhood best friend
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and the reason why he chose Louise because he reminded
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him of Nicholas.
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Oh, I don't think I picked up on that.
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That's only in the second novel. It's not an intriguing
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vampire and it is. Yeah, it's hinted that in the
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TV series as well.
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Okay, yeah, uh, I have a fun fact about Louie.
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Are you ready in your you probably know this Pete
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fun fact. At one point, when Rice was considering changing
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the gender of Louie to make the relationship heterosexual, Boo
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Share was considered for the part.
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What that is insane?
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I shocked you.
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You did shock me. I had no idea what Share.
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I cannot imagine Share in that era in that are.
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Not bad of it?
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Right?
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She is? She does not read as a period actress.
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Not at all. My goodness, that would have been that
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would have been the same thing as Michael Jackson and Hook.
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Do you know about that, oh as Robin Williams character. Yeah, yeah, wow, yeah, yeah.
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I mean.
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I find it so inherently sad and offensive to think
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a studio is like, well, if you make it a lady,
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will we'll make this movie, you know, yeah? Because they're
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The dynamic between these two men is that's what makes
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this story work. That's what makes us want.
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To watch it's it draws you in. It's so interesting
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when it's two men. If it's like a regular head
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or sexual relationship, which Ann Rice does play around with
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with her vampire characters. It oftentimes, you know, it's hard
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to take away the sexual dynamic in the real world
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of like you know, misogyny and all that, and it's interesting.
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But when and I feel like this is a reason
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why a lot of people, especially women, like male and
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gay romance stories, because that whole side of romance, where
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there's a power dynamic is removed, right.
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Equal footing yeah yeah or equal boobing ye in this one,
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I mean, watching the two of them. How are you
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How do you feel about Brad Pitt's performance in this movie?
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You know, I remember initially not loving it wholeheartedly, but
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then as I watched it, especially the second time, I
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did feel that there was some good moments that he
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had better than other movies of that era that he does.
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And the one thing about Brad is that he visually
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looked great as the role. But you know, there are
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times where I wish there was more nuanced to his performance.
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But as a whole. I do think he did a
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great job.
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I went back and forth. I thought he was so wooden,
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which maybe is a character choice, but yes, But I
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also think maybe at the time a limitation of his
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talent at that time. At times he sounds like he's
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wearing an ill fitting retainer in his mouth, some weird
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things with pronunciation and.
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Attempting a period piece. You know, he's not I've never
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seen Legend of the Fall, so I can't judge. Yeah,
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but you know, in this particular thing, I'm like, yeah,
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you know, I don't really believe you in this time period.
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But it's fine, you know his I do think his
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strongest moments actually are with Claudia. I agree.
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I agree. He does seem very paternal. It feels natural
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and I read I'm like, I don't even want to
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get to Claudia yet because I love her so much
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it's painful. But she was just saying that he was
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like a brother to her all the time on set
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and just looking out for her and Tom Cruise as well.
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And I actually think that Louis feels very much like
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a Tom Cruise role, and I could have seen him
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cast as Louis.
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I would agree with that, honestly do because up to
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that point, I think Tom Cruise really was Top Gun
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and some other like action y type movies. He's very
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very just like every man, you know, and that's what
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Louie is. He's everyman. He's just very plain, boring, does
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what he does. And in a way, I actually do
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think Brad Pitt, as we have witness down the line,
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him doing something more character is actually more captivating on him.
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So in a weird way, if they had switched, it
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might have been similar, you know, rapit might have shown
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more brightly as the stat as well. Who knows.
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Yeah, I mean I think up until this point, and
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I haven't done the research, but I believe Tom Cruise
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had only played the lead role the guy with vulnerability.
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You said every Man. It's hard to buy Tom Cruise
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as in Everyman, but you know he he does that
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very very well. He is a true leading man. So
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to see him go so far into the character villain
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realm was thrilling. I thought, I just thought he was great.
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It was I mean, his forest was delicious. It was
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really really great.
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Yeah, and I think we could see him having fun
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and I read Brad Pitt didn't have fun during filming
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because it was all night shoots and he was uncomfortable,
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and maybe that's maybe we're picking up on some of
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that in his stayed ways on film. Could be sorry,
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Brad Pitt.
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So I think it's such a very long career and
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he's still going strong.
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So yes, and I do think he can act. I
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just think this wasn't wasn't his best. Yeah, So I
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guess we can talk about Kirsten Dunst as Claudia now.
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And I think in having a child sets this apart
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from any other monster movie, any other high concept period.
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It's just genius of Vann Rice One agree.
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It is really the point of the story where you're
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just kind of like, I can't believe this is happening.
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You're so drawn in and you're so it's sold, it's done.
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You're like, I'm in it.
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Yes, And I think the story is so strong and
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the part is so strong. I'm sure a million little
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actresses would have been wonderful. Yeah, but I read Kirsten
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Duntz came in first, and then they saw a thousand
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other little actresses and then they said no one matched
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up to her.
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Wow, that's amazing.
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She is perfection in this movie.
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Oh good, like that scene where she cuts her hair.
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I will just watch that clip every now and then
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just to watch it. It's yeah, it's so good.
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Like very Mommy Dearest, but.
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Like the ability for her to ask a child at
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that age understand the situation, really portray it to that
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extent for me to believe it wholeheartedly, Like really kudos
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to her.
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Yeah, and physically when she cuts, so she's got these
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big doll curls. Basically she is a living doll. And
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she in protest to hurt her dad's, her Louis and
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lstat she chops up all her hair and then she
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storms out of the room and she looks so much
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like little orphananny when she's doing it, because her hair
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is like all shorten and then you know, and then
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she marches like a little gangly eleven year old. And
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then she goes and looks in the mirror and it's
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all grown back, and it's explained to her that will
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keep happening. It does remind me. But in Mommy Dearest,
486
00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:55.519
the mom cuts her hair right evil Joan Crawford cuts
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her hair.
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Yes, yes, christ anybody.
489
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I did a really fun episode on Mommy Dearist with
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a very super gainer at Abdeen Azimian, And if anyone
491
00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:08.680
wants to listen to that, it was so joyful to
492
00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:11.599
deep dive into Mommy Dearist. So go back in the
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archives and check that one out. So I guess this
494
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is my second shorn scene that I've done for this podcast.
495
00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:27.400
She is so good at being Braddy and a normal kid,
496
00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:31.279
and you know, I don't want to know. And then
497
00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:35.880
she masterminds the whole plan of escape, like how they're
498
00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:38.359
going to get free from Listat.
499
00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:42.640
And almost seeing her transition from a child to an
500
00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:46.880
adult in a child's body was done really well because
501
00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:49.319
it's just it's very small, but all of a sudden
502
00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:52.960
she starts talking in a very adult way, and the
503
00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:58.160
tuxaposition feels so unsettling. I always think about that the
504
00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:00.440
same scene where she starts moving the dolls and cilely
505
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:03.319
reveals that body in the bed, and then you're just
506
00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:05.519
kind of like, wow, this character is fucked up.
507
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:11.440
Yeah, and she's she tells them that she's stuck in
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eternal childhood.
509
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And imagine that, Imagine how awful.
510
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That is heartbreaking. She feels like a woman when she's
511
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watching the is that the woman you're talking about the corpse?
512
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Isn't that the naked woman that she says out there
513
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like do you want to eat her or drain her blood?
514
00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:31.480
And she's like, no, I want to be her and
515
00:30:31.559 --> 00:30:33.880
she you know, she's an adult.
516
00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:37.240
Yeah, but any like child's body.
517
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:41.680
It's so awful God, to have that kind of genius
518
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:44.400
that Anne Rice has for a minute of my life.
519
00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:46.240
And you know why she wrote the story.
520
00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:50.039
Right, No, oh, tell me, tell me, wait, tell me
521
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after this. Why did Anne Rice write this story?
522
00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:56.880
So? Anne Royce actually wrote this story because her five
523
00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:00.680
year old daughter died from cancer. So to deal with
524
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:03.400
her grief, she wrote this story because she thought, what
525
00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:06.200
if there was a child that could live forever? What
526
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:06.960
would that be like?
527
00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:10.440
And that's and then at the end, right, and the
528
00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:13.200
mom that Claudia tries to say, I want this to
529
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be my mom forever, and the mom shows a picture
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00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:19.759
in her locket of yes, mon who died. Oh my god,
531
00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:20.759
you just broke my heart.
532
00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:24.119
Yeah, it's it's incredibly sad when you know the origin
533
00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:27.559
of it and how it was just a experiment for
534
00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:31.759
her to work through her grief and wow, and then
535
00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:35.839
to also write in the story that Claudia dies. You know,
536
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:39.319
imagine how hard that was that Like, it's actually it's
537
00:31:39.359 --> 00:31:41.920
because you know, she experienced it with someone she actually birthed,
538
00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:44.160
and this character is someone that she birthed as well,
539
00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:47.440
And to go through that again in her own writing,
540
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it's you know, maybe to her it was a healing moment,
541
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but to me, like, I imagine it and I can't
542
00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:55.559
even get through that.
543
00:31:55.880 --> 00:31:59.759
You know, it's like ripping open those wounds right for
544
00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:03.079
your art. I didn't know that. It makes complete sense,
545
00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:08.319
and it thrills me to think that Claudia was the
546
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:12.480
seed for this rather than what if a handsome, charming
547
00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:16.759
vampire recruited a protege That feels like how the story
548
00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:19.359
would have come to her, or what if what if
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00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:22.160
somebody interviewed a vampire but no to know it came
550
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:26.359
from what if a child was stuck in eternal childhood
551
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or could never die?
552
00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:31.680
If that is actually based on her husband's Stan. She
553
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:34.759
originally wanted to name Stand list Stand or something like that,
554
00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:37.240
but and then something happened where she named him with
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00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:40.079
stat which isn't a real name, but you know, his
556
00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:43.039
entire personality who he is is based off Stan Rice.
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Are they still together or.
558
00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:48.319
They're both passed? Now? Oh?
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Anne Rice is passed.
560
00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:55.279
Yeah, she died maybe I think a year before the
561
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TV series came out.
562
00:32:57.160 --> 00:33:00.400
Oh no, wait, is Lestat a fuck you to her
563
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:04.599
husband or a love letter to him or a oh okay, because.
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Pretty after injuring the vampire? Yes, but as if you
565
00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:13.359
continue and read the Vampire Lestat into Queen of the Damn,
566
00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:16.880
into all the other books, that becomes an amazing character.
567
00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:19.440
So I'm actually quite excited for this new series that's
568
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:20.119
coming out soon.
569
00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:23.599
Yeah, the Vampire Lestat is a is a series.
570
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:24.359
Yeah. Yeah.
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There is a moment that I think perfectly, you know,
572
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if you had to pick a frame of a movie
573
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and say this lisits all of the emotions you're supposed
574
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to have about this movie. It's after Claudia thinks she
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has killed the stat and he is bleeding out and
576
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the blood is pooling on the floor, and she had
577
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and her little pointy pink slipper, her satin heels, you know,
578
00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:59.160
and you see the little pointy shoes and the blood
579
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:01.839
is just about to hit them, and she's like Louis
580
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:03.960
and he picks her up and picks her up, so
581
00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:06.599
she doesn't get his blood on her pretty little shoes.
582
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:07.519
Mm hmm.
583
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:12.440
That image to me is cinematic perfection.
584
00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:14.000
Mm hmmm.
585
00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:16.960
I agree, it's I can picture it now. There's so
586
00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:20.320
many moments in this movie that can just picture immediately. Yeah,
587
00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:24.480
it's just visually so like stunning, you know, and just
588
00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:26.920
the action too, you know, because like she's a vampire, right,
589
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:28.719
she doesn't care about blood. She wants to drink it,
590
00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:31.480
but it's this is someone that's her father, you know,
591
00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:32.639
this is his blood.
592
00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:36.000
And also she cares about her pretty little shoes and
593
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:38.119
a child like way, you know.
594
00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:41.360
Yeah, because at this point she's you know, I think
595
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:46.119
about mentally thirty years old, right, which is still like
596
00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:51.119
really when we as humans really come into our adulthood.
597
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:52.679
In my opinion, you know, I feel like twenty year
598
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:54.840
olds are still kind of messes, and it's really thirty
599
00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:57.559
year olds where they finally realize what they want, you know,
600
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but we're still dealing with the the childhood aspects of
601
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our lives still at that age. I think.
602
00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:14.079
Yeah, yeah, so this is where Lestatt is dead, we'll
603
00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:17.920
put that in quotes, and this is where the film
604
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:20.320
runs out of gas for me a bit and I
605
00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:24.079
think you called it with Antonio Benderis. Yeah, I think
606
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:27.639
it departs from the thing. It's like almost a bait
607
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:30.639
and switch for a big chunk of the movie. It's
608
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like we fell in love with Claudia and Lestatt and
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00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:37.679
Louis in their life and the house, and then that's
610
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:41.400
all gone, and it's like Lestat is the most charismatic character.
611
00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:44.079
He's gone. Yeah, and now we're in France.
612
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:47.760
Yeah, Paris, Paris, and.
613
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:53.639
I I like, at the end of watching this movie,
614
00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:56.519
I was like, what a great movie. I love this movie.
615
00:35:57.039 --> 00:35:58.880
If I could take out twenty minutes, I would love
616
00:35:58.920 --> 00:35:59.519
it even more.
617
00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:03.199
I want to say that's the fault of the medium,
618
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:05.679
because ann Rice had to cut out a lot of
619
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the storyline in Paris, because in actuality, Listat's supposed to
620
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:14.519
be in Paris, he's supposed to come back, and he's
621
00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:20.400
the one that orchestrates Claudia's trial, like behind the scenes,
622
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:25.360
they don't know he's there, but he's because because Lestat
623
00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:28.119
is the one that created the theater of the Vampires
624
00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:29.280
years and years ago.
625
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:34.280
That's not in the movie, right, Okay.
626
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:41.679
And the character of uh Antonio Benderis, which is, oh
627
00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:46.639
my god, Armand. I was saying, deis Amadeo Armand is
628
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:50.360
so different from the way Anne Rice describe him the book.
629
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:54.199
So in the book, Armand is actually supposed to be
630
00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:57.119
a sixteen year old boy with curly red hair who
631
00:36:57.119 --> 00:36:57.960
looks like a cherup.
632
00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:02.880
So are you no? That's his That's who he's supposed
633
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:07.079
to be. It's bizarre, bizarre, right, But it's also kind
634
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:13.360
of interesting too because you have this being who looks
635
00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:18.800
angelic but who's very, very evil, and that's because of
636
00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:21.719
his trauma from the way he became a vampire. He
637
00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:24.639
has his own book too, and his entire story is insane.
638
00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:25.639
Oh wow.
639
00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:29.639
Yeah. And but you know, for me knowing all of
640
00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:33.280
that and knowing the history behind that character, seeing Antonio
641
00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:37.760
Beneers's portrayal of it, and you know, the writing of
642
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:40.840
that character movie in the movie was kind of upsetting.
643
00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:46.400
It was a lot of monologuing, like a lot, and
644
00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:50.679
I couldn't help but think, this just feels like, ooh,
645
00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:54.400
you know who, we could get the hot actor right now,
646
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:57.440
because then this just like is one of his first
647
00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:02.079
I think, like mainstream American movies. He was I think
648
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:04.440
Robert Reguez his films.
649
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:06.719
And yeah, it was definitely after Desperado.
650
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:10.119
Yeah, and people knew him, and they knew him from
651
00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:13.199
the Madonna movie, which I know is weird, but Truth
652
00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:15.920
or Dare came out and everyone was like, oh that guy.
653
00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:19.559
He was so trendy at this point and it felt.
654
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:22.280
Like a this might have been after Philadelphia as well.
655
00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:25.599
Oh really I think so, Maybe I could be wrong
656
00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:28.199
though I don't remember, but yeah, that was the error
657
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:31.119
where Antooni Benners was like an it guy, you know.
658
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:38.360
Okay, So interview with the Vampire was ninety four, Deelcio
659
00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:39.400
is ninety three.
660
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:42.920
Yeah, one year after Smell.
661
00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:45.239
You, Johnny? What did you mean a minor in Antonio
662
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:50.079
Benderaz In general, I like him as an actor. I
663
00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:55.039
just it didn't nine. Oh you did?
664
00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:57.559
Yeah, it was amazing, so good.
665
00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:02.119
Yeah, I like his I didn't. Oh wait, he was
666
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:03.519
in the movie which I did.
667
00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:08.039
No, that was daniel Lewis. He was in the recent
668
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:10.519
the most recent broaderyv was No.
669
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:13.280
I remember he was kowski.
670
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:15.920
Right, m and he wanted to do the movie but
671
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:17.159
they were like.
672
00:39:17.079 --> 00:39:22.639
No, that's so bizarre. I know, I know, No, he's
673
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:25.159
he's talented and lovely, and I apologize to him and
674
00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:28.840
his people that I just didn't buy him more care
675
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:29.800
about him in this movie.
676
00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:31.760
I mean, it's not him. It's the way the character
677
00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:34.039
was written and the way they made him look and everything.
678
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:38.920
It just wasn't Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, so far
679
00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:41.559
look at us maintaining a friendship through all of this.
680
00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:46.840
How how else is it wildly different from the book
681
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:48.559
or is it pretty loyal to the book.
682
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:51.679
It's pretty loyal, I want to say, because Ann Rice
683
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:56.039
wrote the screenplay. It is almost it's it's not one
684
00:39:56.079 --> 00:39:57.960
to one, but it's very close.
685
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:02.199
Okay, And there's enough that you're like, oh, why did
686
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:05.440
they do that? Or ooh, I love the way they that.
687
00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:08.480
No, the only thing that I thought was actually a
688
00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:11.719
benefit to the story was the idea of drinking dead blood.
689
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:14.920
So in the books, you there is no detriment to
690
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:18.840
drinking blood from a dead person. But remember in the
691
00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:22.800
scene where she tricks lastat, Claudia feeds him dead boys
692
00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:25.800
and then he's like, you fed You made me drink
693
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:28.599
from these dead bodies, and that that to the viewer
694
00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:30.840
You're like, oh, that's a detriment to vampires, which I
695
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:33.039
thought was a very interesting take, which is not in
696
00:40:33.079 --> 00:40:33.719
the books.
697
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:36.239
How does she kill Lestat in the.
698
00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:40.639
Books same way, but there's there isn't a negative side
699
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:44.800
effect of drinking dead blood. So how does he diet
700
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:48.840
like he it's the laudanum. It's the laudanum inside the
701
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:50.280
blood that makes him woozy.
702
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:55.519
Oh okay, yeah, oh god, her little like I got
703
00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:59.960
them drunk on brandy wine and she's like, it's so late.
704
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:03.280
Here's this actual child playing a thirty year old playing
705
00:41:03.320 --> 00:41:08.719
a child, you know, Oh god, damn Okay. This brings
706
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:13.159
up a very very important question that I have for you,
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And I'm going to pose the question, and then I
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want you to think carefully about your answer because it's
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time for fuck Mary Kill. Oh goodness, right, So we're
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going to answer this right after this. You haven't had
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long enough to think about fucking Harry Kill. So I'm
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going to give you a gift, and I'm going to
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tell everybody that make me a nerd. As a production
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And if you want to reach out on social media,
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re out and say, hey, how come you're not talking
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about this movie or book or show or whatever. Make suggestions.
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And my eternal gratitude cause I want to keep this
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journey going and that's how I do it. It's a
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member thing, so five dollars a month if you can
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dig into your heart and Wallet. I would be grateful.
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I love this journey for you.
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Yeah, okay, Buck Mary kill. Now. I feel like it
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can be the characters or the actors, but I feel
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like we should commit to one way.
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Let's do the characters, because actors, it's just it completely
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puts it in a different wheelhouse.
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Okay, okay, so lay it on me. Characters, Buck Mary kill.
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Well, you have to give me a parameter, right, what characters? Oh?
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Any of them? I say, just pickure.
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Okay, you know all right? I would say, okay, I
749
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would say personally, I would fuck Louis marry let's stat
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and I would have to kill Claudia because I don't
751
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want to fuck or marry her.
752
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Well, can't you kill Antonio banderas Stephen Ray is annoying?
753
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Let's kill definitely most let's kill Let's kill Antonio Benaris
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as armand or or him who plays I think Seam
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played Santino? Right, I think Santino.
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I don't know, but I just found him very Santiago.
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I can't his name, but the one that mine mimicked. Yeah, yeah,
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his name's either as Santino.
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Well, he's my choice to kill.
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Sure? Sure? Yeah, I was doing the main three.
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Yes, well, now I you are doing the main three,
762
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and that is totally valid, and I'm glad we disagree,
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because yes, I for sure would kill would fuckless dat
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and marry uh Louis, oh okay, is like upstanding and yeah,
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and the little boring. I don't want to f that
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super boring.
767
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That's the thing is like Louis as a character to
768
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me is so boring.
769
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But not in a TV show, right, No, very different.
770
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That's very different.
771
00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:13.440
All right, Well, thank you for answering that gripping emotional question.
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So towards the end of the movie, I googled the
773
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TV show to see like where I was going to
774
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watch it and how it's different from the movie, and
775
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I read that it was even gayer than the movie,
776
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and I thought, how is that possible?
777
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It's even gayer the books.
778
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Yeah, this movie, but this movie is pretty gay. Yeah,
779
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and it would make a fantastic musical.
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And they tried, Oh they did with sat the musical
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Elton John and very coughing.
782
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I don't like his musicals.
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Unfortunately, it was very very okay.
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Okay, the kids say, all right, let's do the TV
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show which is on AMC. Yeah, which took me a
786
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long time to crack that code, and I had to
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do the free subscription.
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You can watch on Netflix.
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I did not find that.
790
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Oh really, it was on Netflix for quite some time.
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I'm a proud subscriber to AMC Plus for another three days.
792
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Then the show My goodness.
793
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Yeah, well it opens with Ericagosian as Daniel Malloy, but
794
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it opens with him doing like a masterclass, and it
795
00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:38.800
immediately sucked me in. But I was very confused, and
796
00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:41.480
I thought, oh, is this like the Will and Grace
797
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reboot where their marriages and their kids never happened, you know,
798
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and they're just going back. Yeah, And in a way, yes,
799
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it is. It's just like, pretend you didn't see any
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of that because we're going to retell it. It's not
801
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a continual Yeah. Multiverse flighting doors and my biggest thought
802
00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:05.840
right off the bat, yay diversity. Mm hmm, it's so
803
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nice because the movie was not quite No.
804
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Wait, that's actually Anne Rice's biggest flaw and the reason
805
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why she never included diverse characters in her stories because
806
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she said herself, as she doesn't think she has capability
807
00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:25.480
or understanding to do it. Okay, yeah, I mean excuses, but.
808
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You know, yep, yep. Well, this Louis is very different
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than very different Brad Pitts. He's angry and visceral and
810
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sweaty and a pimp and has a temper and is
811
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not an upstanding citizen, And he's just the opposite. They
812
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just took such license with it.
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Mm hmm. And I think that's the reason why Anne
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Rice and her son Chriser Rice left that project.
815
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Oh, they left the show.
816
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Originally they had sold the entire rights to the Vampire
817
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Chronicles and most of her work to Who lou who
818
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then canceled it, and then AMC picked it up. But
819
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when AMC picked it up, they decided they want to
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change and develop it for a more modern audience, and
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I think because of that, they wanted a more faithful adaptation,
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and so because of creative differences, they parted ways.
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Oh okay, good BTS stuff, Thank you.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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I have a question that is true of the movie,
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and I thought was going to be true of the
827
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show until maybe it wasn't. But I was confused. I
828
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wanted to ask, why is Lestat so seemingly sexual yet
829
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never has sex? Is that a vampire thing or an
830
00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:45.320
Ann Rice thing? But then does he have sex when
831
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he gets all naked with Louis and picks him up
832
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and they float up in the air, are they having
833
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sex or is it just this experience?
834
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In the books, the an Rice describes blood drinking to
835
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a vampire to be better than sex. So a vampire
836
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sex is drinking blood. They will enact the motions of
837
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sex like insertion, but it's not for pleasure. It's for
838
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just the feeling of it. The pleasure comes from the
839
00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:16.800
tasting of the blood and feeling just all of that.
840
00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:20.480
And I can't really put it into my own words,
841
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:22.559
but if you read it in the book, she describes
842
00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:26.159
it in such beautiful ways, Like I can't replicate it
843
00:49:26.239 --> 00:49:29.639
right now because it's just it's too good. But she
844
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:32.719
makes it very clear that the ecstasy comes from the blood.
845
00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:38.039
Okay, that answer is that. But you know, in the film,
846
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you're just Tom Cruise, like doesn't even kiss anybody. He
847
00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:45.360
teases them and he you know, flirts and it gets
848
00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:50.199
all bumpy and grindy, but there's no actual sexual action,
849
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:54.239
which maybe is intentional because it makes you want to
850
00:49:54.280 --> 00:50:00.519
go just sto her already, or you know, or do him.
851
00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:07.280
The show is very, very different and I didn't have
852
00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:10.320
that same sense that I raved about the movie where
853
00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:12.280
or the book where it drops you in and you
854
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:16.079
just feel immediately like you're with everybody. This feels like
855
00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:18.840
it has a lot more splaining to do, and they're
856
00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:22.320
giving us a lot more like, hey, follow this, These
857
00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:24.119
are the relationships, this is how it is, this is
858
00:50:24.159 --> 00:50:25.960
the racism, this is this, this is this, And it
859
00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:28.639
was not as seamless for me.
860
00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:32.800
I want to say, it's because it's a completely different
861
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:35.960
world right there. It's a different era. Number one, it's
862
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:41.679
the early nineteen hundreds instead of what was it late
863
00:50:41.840 --> 00:50:44.320
seventeen hundreds I think right, or was it late or
864
00:50:44.440 --> 00:50:46.440
some mid eight hundreds in the original I can't remember,
865
00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:50.559
but they did fast forward the timeline to allow for
866
00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:55.480
a black Louis. I do want to say the pilot
867
00:50:56.360 --> 00:50:58.360
to me, I love the pilot, but I view it
868
00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:03.079
as a complete separate story, and that's probably what's necessary
869
00:51:03.079 --> 00:51:06.199
to watch the show. Okay, you can't. You can't carry
870
00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:09.719
over any inklings or notions from the previous version, movie,
871
00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:15.119
or book. In a weird way, the plot points in
872
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:18.039
the pilot episode do follow the book more closely, like
873
00:51:18.159 --> 00:51:21.760
a story with Louise brother, you know, and his and
874
00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:22.679
his schizophrenes.
875
00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:25.360
What was that with that? Why did Louise brother walk
876
00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:26.320
off the roof and kill.
877
00:51:26.239 --> 00:51:30.840
Himself because he had mental issues, he was schizophrenic, heard voices,
878
00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:34.519
thought there were voices from God. And what's interesting is
879
00:51:34.519 --> 00:51:38.159
that in the movie the catalyst for louise grief is
880
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:40.760
the death of his wife, but it's actually the death.
881
00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:47.480
Oh okay, all right, interesting this was missing some of
882
00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:51.559
the levity that I loved in the movie. The Cruises
883
00:51:51.639 --> 00:51:57.480
list at can be funny and sarcastic and light, and
884
00:51:57.599 --> 00:51:59.559
this list at is heavy, heavy, heavy.
885
00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:03.159
Sam Reid, Yeah, I mean you have to watch more
886
00:52:03.159 --> 00:52:05.039
of it because I actually do think Sam Reid is
887
00:52:05.079 --> 00:52:06.000
the perfect stuff.
888
00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:08.199
Okay, No, not that I didn't like him. It's just
889
00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:09.239
a very different take.
890
00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:13.440
It's different. But being a person that has read every
891
00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:16.599
single Vampire Chronicles book, I want to say Sam Reid
892
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:19.599
is the epitome of a stat He is the most
893
00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:23.159
perfect casting I've ever seen, and like, I didn't expect that.
894
00:52:23.440 --> 00:52:24.079
I didn't expect that.
895
00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:25.760
Yeah, and I love how much just lighting you up?
896
00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:26.599
That's really cool.
897
00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:31.239
But also Jacob Anderson, like that monologue he has at
898
00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:35.400
the end with to the priest. I was floored because
899
00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:37.440
I only knew him from the Game of Thrones, you know,
900
00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:40.639
and he was gray Worm and Graham Game of Thrones.
901
00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:42.280
Did you watch Game of Thrones? Okay, never mind.
902
00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:44.559
I did an episode, one of my very first episodes.
903
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:46.000
That's Jare.
904
00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:49.280
My husband and I watched what we said we would watch,
905
00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:50.400
but I didn't watch more than that.
906
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:54.760
Yeah, yeah, that show is that that's a daunting task.
907
00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:57.639
But he was. He was basically kind of mute in
908
00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:00.440
that show. But then seeing him in this show and
909
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:06.639
having the breadth of emotions and believability and being a
910
00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:10.679
human was really astounding to me. Like I do think
911
00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:13.920
that Jacob Anderson and Sam Fried are amazing actors that
912
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:15.480
need more recognition for their work.
913
00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:17.800
Oh, I thought they were both great. And I only
914
00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:21.760
watched the pilot, but I was duly impressed. All the
915
00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:25.960
acting was great. It looks beautiful. It feels more like
916
00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:29.719
a heightened nighttime soap. And I mean that in a
917
00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:32.119
good way. I don't mean that as a negative, but
918
00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:36.480
because it doesn't have the levity and the different time period.
919
00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:39.719
Artistry, yeah, yeah, it doesn't have like the beautiful artistry
920
00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:42.480
of the movie, like the Lens that it was viewed at.
921
00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:46.119
Everything kind of could be like a painting in a way,
922
00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:48.920
you know, in the movie, like in the like of
923
00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:51.960
picture sticks in my mind of cheers and duns and
924
00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:55.559
the actress of place Madeline wearing the dresses in Paris
925
00:53:55.679 --> 00:53:58.320
and the doors opening, that could be a painting. Yes,
926
00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:00.920
you know, we don't have that cinematography in the show itself.
927
00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:05.119
Although it's a gorgeous show, but there's something different. There's
928
00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:08.480
no visual balance because it's TV, you know, it's made
929
00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:11.239
for TV. It's a longer format. They're not focused on
930
00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:14.760
the visual beauty of it, right, They're focused on the
931
00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:19.519
character development, which they do to such a great, great extent.
932
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:22.800
I cannot say how much I love this show.
933
00:54:23.320 --> 00:54:26.599
Oh that's great. I actually will watch more of this.
934
00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:30.719
I'm very curious. And pilots are so tough. Sometimes they
935
00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:33.679
just nail it, and sometimes people like you have just
936
00:54:33.719 --> 00:54:35.960
said like it's not really indicative of what the whole
937
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:37.800
story feels like.
938
00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:41.119
And the one thing about the TV series that the
939
00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:43.400
movie does not play with because they didn't have the
940
00:54:43.480 --> 00:54:49.880
time to, is faulty narration and faulty perspectives. Because throughout
941
00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:54.159
the show you go between Louis and Claudia's perspectives, and
942
00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:59.599
you see how sometimes characters are a little different, just
943
00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:02.360
like a a little bit different in everybody's take on
944
00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:04.719
what's happening. So when you get into the if you
945
00:55:04.760 --> 00:55:07.599
get into the middle of season one of Inch Through
946
00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:11.480
the Vampire, you'll see there's a very, very shocking episode.
947
00:55:11.480 --> 00:55:15.400
We're like, this is awful, this is awful, legitimately awful.
948
00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:18.320
But then you have to think, is this actually what happened?
949
00:55:18.320 --> 00:55:20.280
Because this is total from the point of view of
950
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:22.880
what's supposed to be like a sixteen year old girl,
951
00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:25.599
you know, because they age Claudia up.
952
00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:27.519
Yeah, we didn't get to see Claudia, So now I
953
00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:29.079
have to watch because that's my favorite part.
954
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:32.000
You have to. And she's so different in the series,
955
00:55:32.320 --> 00:55:33.039
she's so different.
956
00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:37.239
And there's something interesting about race being a factor because
957
00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:40.800
it introduces the other and how people treat the other,
958
00:55:41.000 --> 00:55:45.119
and you know, so it's total. Probably I don't know
959
00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:48.039
if that's an allegory or a metaphor or whatever, but
960
00:55:48.079 --> 00:55:52.280
I think it probably really adds a fantastic layer of complexity.
961
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:56.679
Oh yeah, it really does, especially in the dynamic that
962
00:55:56.760 --> 00:55:59.280
Louis has with the people in New Orleans and how
963
00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:02.199
he has a work around the racism and try to
964
00:56:02.199 --> 00:56:06.400
make a life for himself. You know, it's fascinating, it really.
965
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They did wonderful research and interpolating all of that into
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the story.
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Well, you've convinced me. I gotta go. I gotta go
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watch episode two three days. Yeah, exactly, Johnny. Thank you
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so so much for coming back. If anybody wants to
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hear Johnny's other episodes, we just did Sailor Moon, which
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was so much fun. And his first episode way back
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in the day was trying to get me to play Zelda,
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which I failed at. But thank you for helping me
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on my nerd journey.
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You are wonderful anytime. I'm always here to help you out.
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There's so much more to cover because your interests are
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so different, so it's you know, a lot of facets.
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Yeah, I'm probably one of the nerdiest people I myself know,
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and again I always say I'm a very well rounded nerd.
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I love it. I love you, I love all of
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you who listen to the show. Until next time.
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Love you too. Thank you.