Steve Ouimette Interview: From Guitar Hero Riffs to Studio Secrets (Part 2)

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Without further ado, here is part two of our interview with Steve Wamet.
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And this was probably the hardest lesson of my life.
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Yeah.
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We had everybody we could think of audition for it.
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Next interview with Steve, here is part four of our interview with Steve Wamet Conversely
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And everybody sounded like a caricature of Dave.
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'Cause Dave has a very, very distinctive voice.
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[ Laughter ]
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Yeah.
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I'm not even gonna try to mimic it
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because I will sound like a caricature of it as well.
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[LAUGHTER]
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Fantastic.
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And we ended up running out of time
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[ Pause ]
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after we had three different versions
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and they were all, I should say, compromised.
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And we ended up going with the best that we could.
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And I remember the YouTube comments on that.
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I think if you look it up,
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you could probably find the video somewhere.
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You know, it was one of those, you know, atrocities
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or what did I ever do to you kind of, you know,
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to have this horrible, and it was like, man, you know,
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Oh wow.
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[laughs]
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Hmm.
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that was a rough one.
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However, I have an opposite story
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that was really funny to me is I was doing round and round
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for that game as well.
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And believe it or not, I was able to hire Steven Piercy.
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Nice. [laughs]
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[
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Yeah, and the best part about that was everyone slagged on
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Oh no! [laughs]
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them saying, "Why did they get someone that sounded more like
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Steven Pearson?" And I thought, "Yeah." And I'm thinking, you
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That's awful.
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know, this is why the internet sucks, right? Because it's like,
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[ Laughter ]
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no, that is him. And it didn't, it didn't matter. And then let's
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I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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[ Pause ]
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even take it one farther. So a great friend of mine who really
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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was the fish that saved Pittsburgh, that's an old
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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reference to you that weren't born in that era. Brody Dolanek is probably one
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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[chuckles]
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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Mmm.
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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of the most chameleon like amazing singers I've ever known. He's in a band, a
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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Zeppelin band called Zusa, Zeppelin USA, and he does covers like nobody else and
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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he sang on the majority of the Guitar Hero covers and his first assignment was
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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to do "Talk Dirty" to me.
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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Now here's a guy that lives on Elton John and Robert
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[laughs]
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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Plant and David Gilmour.
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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(sniffing)
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And I go, hey, dude, and Klaus Mein.
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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I'm gonna hire you to place poison.
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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And hey, this song is--
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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yeah.
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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And guess what?
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Oh! (laughing)
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His response, or the online response, was, so what?
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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They hire some half-assed poison cover band
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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and have Brett sing over it.
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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So to this day, to this day, yeah, it's, you know, Brody,
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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(laughing)
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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That's just too humorous.
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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I, you know, that's how I start every phone call, you know,
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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every Rose has its thorn Brody, you know, it's,
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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so he's gonna go down in history as the guy
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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that is Brett Michaels, and I'm a cheap knockoff
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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of CeCe Deville.
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So.
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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(laughing)
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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Oh man.
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You never know what you're gonna get with the comments though.
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Yeah, so you never know what you're gonna get.
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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And I can sort of relate to this,
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No, no.
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No, I'm not.
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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'cause I don't know if you're familiar
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with the game Go Vacation,
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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which was actually rather, it was a rather popular game.
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[I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that]
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Who is the publisher?
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You
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Nameco, Sega.
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Oh, okay, okay, yeah, okay, yeah.
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Yeah.
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So it was a rather popular game.
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Okay.
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And there are 10 songs on the game
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and I sang on seven of them.
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(silence)
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And occasionally I'll get emails from people saying,
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Yeah, he says tentatively, yeah.
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"Hey, are you the guy that sang on this game?"
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It's like, yeah.
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(laughs)
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'Cause you don't know what's gonna happen.
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(laughs)
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What am I setting myself up for here?
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So somebody has gone to all the trouble
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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(silence)
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to actually upload these to YouTube
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Okay.
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and people were trying to figure out the lyrics.
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And the composer is credited as the lyricist on the game.
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However, it was a Japanese composer, amazing guy, Norihiko.
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So do my Japanese translations.
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And his English translations left a lot to be desired.
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So myself and the other singer, the females, yeah.
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Yeah.
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(laughs)
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No.
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Yeah.
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But myself and the other singer were left to our own devices
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You
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You
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Oh.
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to actually rewrite the lyrics
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You
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and given the go ahead, okay, for doing so.
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Oh, okay.
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You
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[BLANK_AUDIO]
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But we never got credit
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Oh.
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and we didn't get paid for that portion of it,
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which is unfortunate.
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However, in doing so,
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did not keep original copies of this stuff.
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So in trying to listen back and somebody asking me,
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[LAUGH]
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like, what did you sing here?
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It's like, well, I don't know.
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Oh, okay.
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'Cause it's like you go in, you're hired,
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[BLANK_AUDIO]
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do your thing, you walk out and you're done. And I eventually got so many requests on this that I
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Yeah.
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Oh, okay.
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contacted Norihiko. He had the original files that we had delivered back to him and was able to give
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Oh.
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Oh.
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me the lyric files. So and but to listen or read comments on the YouTube thing is just like some of
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Oh, yeah, I didn't have that ever, so I wouldn't know.
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a real complimentary and nice and others are like, wow, can I go hide in a hole now?
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I will say this though.
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Well, but to be called a cheap knockoff of CC to Bill.
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Well, I mean, I was a cheap knockoff of Cece de Vil.
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Sure. No, of course not.
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I mean, Cece de Vil is Ce--
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that's what the other thing is, is that you cannot duplicate DNA.
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- Yeah.
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As a guitar player, we can plug into an amp
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you
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and get a tone similar.
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you
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I work really, really hard to get the technique facilitated
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you
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you
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the same.
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But man, I have the greatest respect for singers,
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[BLANK_AUDIO]
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guys like Brody Dolanik or Mark Martell, who sound like--
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Yes, just like Freddie.
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Yeah, you're talking about, that's an uncanny kind of thing,
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[Silence]
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Yeah.
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but to be able to do that is there are very, very few people
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on this planet that have that ability.
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So I'll be the first one to say it.
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I do these re-records, but would I rather listen
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to my version than the original?
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No.
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I mean, come on, let's just say it's like Hendrix
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No, actually, wait, I have seen that.
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Yeah.
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or Hendrix Light.
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What was it that's been going around lately?
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The Mel Gibson and the Mel Epiphone, have you seen that?
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Yeah, the meme, it's like this guy that looks kind of like Mel Gibson, and that's exactly
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That is funny.
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The meme.
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Yes.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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what we're doing.
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Sure.
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We're doing our best, but ain't nothing like the real thing.
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Sure.
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Or have you ever taken something and sampled it and used it, reused it?
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Yeah.
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And our brains are really, really good at being able to notice the absolute slightest
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deviation.
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It's amazing how good, and kids are even more brutal about it.
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"That ain't the real thing."
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And you're like, "Yeah, I know.
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Man, you just killed my magic trick there, wow.
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Right, right, yeah.
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Well, I can't, I mean, as far as...
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You
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You
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Well, I know you can't in terms of like when you're doing something for a game.
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[ Silence ]
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Yeah.
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However, I bring this up because a buddy of mine played me a song in the car once.
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And this is prior to the easy, easy ability that it is now.
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Yeah.
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But it's Jeff Soto.
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And he had a band called Human Clay alongside when he was doing Talisman.
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Yep.
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Right.
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And he played me a particular song that was a Talisman song previously and then played
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[silence]
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Silence.
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this new thing in the car one day and just said, "Hey, what do you think of this?"
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Silence.
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I just said, "Did you sample your guitar part and rewrite something over it?"
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He turns and he looks at me and he's like, "How the fuck can you tell that?"
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[laughs]
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So he reused his own material, and you noticed it.
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Yes.
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[ Silence ]
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Yeah, but they re-pitched it.
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Oh.
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Oh, okay.
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They sped it up by literally using a tape-style speed up instead of a very speed thing.
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Oh, like a very speed, okay.
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It would be a lot less noticeable with no artifacts on it, but I noticed that it was
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Wow.
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Wow.
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the same rhythm, same chord changes, and I just was like, I think that's the same part.
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You just sped it up.
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Well, no, I have never done that, but that's cool.
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And he was shocked.
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You
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Well, I mean, that's cool.
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And you have to say hi to Jeff next time you talk to him.
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Okay.
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You
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You
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Oh, right on.
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Jeff actually sang on a few tracks for me as well.
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Wow. Woo hoo.
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Yeah, he did some corn tracks and Foo Fighters for me
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Nice.
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for Rock Revolution.
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And that was awesome to be able to work with Jeff
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'cause I met him at Engvay's house in 1985.
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>> Whoo!
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When I, yeah, yeah.
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>> [LAUGH]
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I mean, that was, and he was, he's a young guy
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Wow.
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and I was over at Engvay's house
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because I had met those guys at Day on the Green
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and they said, "Come on over anytime."
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And I did, and there was Jeff, and not long after that,
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he was not there, and it was Mark Bowles,
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Yeah.
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but I've always loved Jeff's voice,
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Yeah, well, living with him for a while and being a guitar player who suddenly
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and it was really great to work with him.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, but you got a great voice.
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stretched the concept of singing made me super self-conscious of my own voice.
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All right, so, yeah, so let's take it back a little bit more to
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Like you wouldn't believe.
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Well, thank you.
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[laughs]
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- Well, it's true, I mean, I only speak the truth here.
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Well, okay, let me give you your money after the podcast is over.
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I cannot tell a lie.
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Yeah, right.
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I'll slip you the hundred.
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(laughing)
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(laughing)
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Wow, it's a hundred now?
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(sniffing)
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Yeah.
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the technical aspects here if you don't mind.
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No, I love it.
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Now, you mentioned technique and how everybody's sort of individual
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Of course.
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in our playing and all this kind of stuff.
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(silence)
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So the first thing that I came to mind when you just when you said that,
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Yeah.
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again, we're both huge kiss fans here, was the things that makes
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Nope, nope.
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Ace sound like Ace, because Ace is not a technician,
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like at all, but it is very difficult to
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Yeah.
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replicate some of the all those little nuances that he does
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because he's he's seemingly so awkward, at least to me, you
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Yeah, no, it's in it, yeah.
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[ Laughter ]
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know, and
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>> That could, that could've been the drinking, though!
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while nobody even early on, well, even early on, it might have
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(laughs)
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Yeah.
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been the drinking, but you know, so with the technical aspects
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and stuff. But what I wanted to ask as a follow up on that on
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the, the performance aspect of the ones when you perform, has
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Buck Dharma.
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there been any particular player or track that you've had to
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record that you felt on a performance aspect that was just murderous for you that that was
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really really difficult yeah the warster cult huh
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Buck Dharma.
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it was the most difficult to do "Cities on Flame"
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because it was like this free-form stream
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of consciousness blues rock thing
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hmm
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that was just not typical for my hands.
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And for some reason that, you know, you think,
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oh, like Dimebag Darrell or something like that.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Dime was a little bit more calculated and schooled, I think.
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And so it made it a little easier to not play like him,
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but to at least understand where he's coming from.
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I think the Buck Dharma thing just always struck me as being so like a rolling rambling
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thing that was a one-off.
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Pure improvisation.
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And I think that's what it is.
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When you get into the jam style solos, they're the hardest to reproduce because they wouldn't
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reproduce it either.
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It would be different every time.
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Yeah.
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And yeah, I think that's really tricky.
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But I always reference that one because it stands out as me going, "I don't think I'm
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gonna get this and I think it's okay. That song doesn't even sound like Blue Oyster
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[Silence]
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Cult the way that we did it and I had a great singer that didn't sound anything
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like and I can't remember who the singer was on on that song but Chris Powers did
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the the cover and he was he was the same guy that sang Devil Went Down to Georgia
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for me. He was a great singer he didn't sound like the Blue Oyster Cult's
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Okay.
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Okay, yeah, I would not have been my guess, but yeah, that's interesting though, right?
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vocalist but it was what it was but yeah Buck Dharma by far. Yeah.
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Yeah, right, right.
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(laughing)
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Yeah, yeah.
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Right, no, but I think it's interesting because you think on a sort of performance level,
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Yes.
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like you said, certain players have a very distinct style for their note choices, if you will,
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And you can find a lot of repetition type of stuff, whether it's patterns and all this kind of stuff, or the way they articulate.
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Yeah.
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Exactly.
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But then when you have stuff where, you know, it's like, you're doing what now?
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Yeah.
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And it is hard to sort of get into that mindset, I think.
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(laughs)
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It is, yeah.
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So along the lines,
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And then try to do it convincingly like you have to do in your case, you know.
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Yeah.
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More recent, yeah.
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It's different, you know.
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I was gonna just kind of expand upon that little part
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Dime bags.
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'cause he's asking like, what was the hardest thing?
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What's the hardest tone to have recreated in your past?
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Dimebags, really?
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Oh, good one, Jerry.
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Yeah, dime bags was tough because I actually, and I had everything at my disposal at the time.
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(inaudible)
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At the time, Dime was working, well, had been,
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he wasn't with us at this point even at that time,
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but he had been working with the guys at Crank, Amps,
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Yeah.
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and his rig was actually there,
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Yeah.
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and Crank is in Arizona here.
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And so I actually got to check out his rig,
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which was the Randall, the RG series,
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and it was the worst sounding thing
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I have ever played on in my life.
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And that's because my hands don't have
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what Dimes had and it was perfectly set up for him so I wanted really badly to see if I could
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OK.
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borrow the rig you know that was never going to happen so it was so scooped and so different
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because it's a solid state amp and in his pickups now I had his pickups he had a Bill Lawrence the
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as the 500 XL or LAX I forgot what it is it's the Bill Lawrence blade pickup and I had a Dimes slime
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Yeah.
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[Silence]
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that I borrowed from somebody which was the it was a lower end one than the real
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Dean's but that was incredibly hard because he had it tuned so the pick
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squeals would just explode off of the strings and I couldn't ever quite get
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that scoop without scooping out the harmonics that were coming out of the
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guitar it was like a weird I'm erasing what I need and yet I can't have it and
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And so it was painful.
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Yeah.
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Sure. Do you think that they may have run? Do you think they may
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And I did, I think I did five or six songs.
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Yeah.
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I doubt it.
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have run two tracks, one that's the scoop thing you're talking
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about and one just to grab the harmonics?
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Sure.
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I think it was just all in his hands.
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It's like Zach Wild, right?
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That guy and his crazy squeals with those EMGs
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He had just to kind of go off on the Zach Wild thing. That guy
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K
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K
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and the EVs and all that stuff.
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!!
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Yeah, that was really tough.
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And I'm, you know.
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Yeah, it was already there.
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I had that at probably 17.
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K
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K
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I mean, I remember when I was attending
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you
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Berkeley College of Music, there was a tape
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you
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Yep.
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you
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because I was friends with John Deservio
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Mm-hmm.
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who played with Zach quite a bit.
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Yeah, yeah.
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you
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And I knew John through some people at Berkeley
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[Silence]
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[Silence]
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'cause I was attending there roughly
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around the same time he was.
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And I somehow got my hand, I still have this cassette.
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In fact, I actually just digitized it last year
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during COVID.
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And it is insane to listen to John and Zach jam
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because his DNA of how he still plays to this day
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Mm-hmm.
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[Silence]
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Yeah.
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is already ingrained in that fucking cassette that I have
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[Silence]
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(laughs)
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And I think that's actually quite true,
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of him just jamming in a room.
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Yeah. Yeah. I've always been curious to if he got a bunch of that from John Sykes. Right?
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Yeah.
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I think that's quite true of players.
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I think that if you started playing at 12 or whatever
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by 17, it's there, you know?
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Yes.
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But yeah, those squeals and everything, it's just, you know,
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it's Zach's one of those players, one note, it's Zach.
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You know, you know it, you know, so, but...
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Doesn't it?
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It sure sounds like it, doesn't it?
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Sure.
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because he does that like nobody's business you know as well yeah and he he's got and he's got
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Yeah.
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Yeah, John Sykes is, yeah.
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Well, have you ever done any of the white snake stuff?
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I covered John Sykes.
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Yeah, yeah, I did.
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one of those planks
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you
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You have.
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I did still the night. Brody Sang did an amazing David Coverdale.
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you
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you
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I found a...
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Was it the original version or the rerecord that they did with?
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you
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you
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No, no, the real one.
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you
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Not that silly new...
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So you did the John Sykes version.
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Yeah, I did the John Sykes version.
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you
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And I got a boogie Mark II to do it.
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you
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you
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And that was the weirdest amp I'd ever used.
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you
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I found the settings online of...
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(laughing)
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you
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Oh.
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It was like a picture of John's amp.
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you
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Sure.
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amp and I was able to dial it in but man if you bumped it, it no longer sounded anything
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you
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you
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like it and it wasn't until two weeks ago that I ever had a boogie again because of
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that.
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I just bought a Mark IV and it's much, much easier to dial in than the two was for me.
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Crazy.
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It's all plenty fine.
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But I guess I didn't know that all of the EQ was pre the first gain stage.
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I didn't know that that's why the bass was so different and then the graphic EQ is after
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the fact.
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get a little bit nerdy here talking to me. Yeah. I never have tried a tri-axis
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that's awesome! that's what we love!
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yeah, yeah, yeah
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So well, speaking of that, and you're talking about Mesa Boogie, let's just kind of jump
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for a second.
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you
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Did you ever have a tri axis?
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you
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you
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Okay.
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but I've seen them I know about them it's the little button thing it's the
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You
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Well, it's the rack mount version of several of their amps.
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You
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You
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digital yeah yeah right
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You
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What it was, so let's like take a schoolboy step back.
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You
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What was your first guitar and amp?
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My first guitar was a Memphis Les Paul copy.
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No, excuse me, Seville, not Memphis, Seville.
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[LAUGH]
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I think there was about a million of them.
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I think it was 15 or so pieces of plywood.
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I walked into Mao's music as a 12 year old
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Wait a minute.
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and I had failed on drums.
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I was Bobby Brady and I knew it.
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And so I moved over.
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My parents were thrilled.
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Sure.
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Let's get them a guitar, that'll be quieter.
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And so, yeah, I think everybody's parents
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Did your parents know my parents or something?
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(laughs)
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Sure.
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that had a drum kid knew this.
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Sure.
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So I walked into Maus Music in Concord, California,
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and they had rows and rows of Gibson Les Pauls.
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And I wanted a Gibson Les Paul
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'cause Ace Fraley, you know, surprise.
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And I ended up walking out with a wine red Les Paul copy
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that I'm sure set me back three to five years
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and learning how to play because it was set up so poorly.
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(laughing)
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So yeah.
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You know, it was awful.
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(laughing)
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>>
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[silence]
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And then the amp, it was from a company called Rock Amps
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So
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and it was, I think it's called the Petra
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Wow. Huh.
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and it had a distortion knob on it.
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So it was this cane wooden looking thing with a cane.
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It was like tongue and groove.
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I still have one.
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It had volume, reverb, treble, bass and distortion.
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and the distortion was a fuzz,
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I believe it's a silicon fuzz
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that's built into this freaking amp.
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Oh nice.
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And it is, they didn't make many of these things,
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Oh, my God.
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Thank you.
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[LAUGHING]
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I don't think, but I bought one recently
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(laughs)
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because I wanted nostalgia
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[laughter]
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and I found it for like a hundred bucks,
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but it was amazing.
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And I built a freaking,
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it was a four foot by four foot cabinet
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[LAUGHING]
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that I was gonna plug this 10 watt amp into.
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[LAUGHTER]
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(laughing)
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It was butt jointed press board
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[laughs]
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(silence)
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[silence]
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You
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and a baffle board that had 15 speakers.
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- [laughs]
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You
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It was three 10s, two 12s,
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You
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and a bunch of mid range tweeters
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You
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from like various transistor radios and whatnot,
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You
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all wired in series.
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Oh.
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So it's probably like 250 ohms, right?
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And I plugged the thing into it
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and I had Naga hide and radio shack grill cloth
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and these furniture rollers.
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And I rolled it out of my house onto the driveway
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the whole thing just kind of leaned.
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(laughing)
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'Cause it, and it sounded so incredibly bad,
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(laughing)
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Yeah.
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it just barely made a peep.
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There was just no volume to be had,
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because I mean, I was running the wrong impedance.
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So I ended up using one speaker at a time,
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I would put it into the little speakers
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and I'd hit a chord and it would light 'em on fire
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'cause there was way too much power.
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So that was my first guitar and amp.
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Nice.
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And yeah, I later got an SG,
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(sighing)
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which was the best thing that ever happened to me.
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[Silence]
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And then I moved on.
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It was an Angus thing.
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Tony Iommi thing or was that an Angus thing? Yeah.
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I got the SG.
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You still have it?
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It was similar to the Firebrand SGs that they made.
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They were walnut and they were very stripped down.
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And I love that guitar.
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It was not that great of a guitar,
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but it was such a huge step up from the Seville.
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It's not even funny, you know?
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No, I have nothing of my past.
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That's cool.
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[LAUGHTER]
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It's all been, unlike a lot of friends I have,
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[LAUGHTER]
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I own none of those things.
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[laughter]
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But I do have a picture of me with that guitar,
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[laughter]
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so I'll have to find it because the guitar's like
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[laughter]
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hanging down to my knees 'cause I'm a little kid.
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But yeah.
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That's interesting though, Steve, because I mean, you're mentioning here that you're
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[ Laughter ]
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No, I'm not.
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buying all this gear because you got to have it, but yet you don't sound like you're too
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precious about the gear.
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I have one thing that I've kept for 30 plus years now
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and it's, I bought Elliot Easton's
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[silence]
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Mutron Octave Divider from Ewurlitzer Music
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in Boston, Massachusetts.
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From Stan Chang, when I was in the computer business,
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All right.
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I bought that for $35 and I also bought his
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Wow.
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Mutron Flanger for $35.
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I later sold the Flanger for like 1500 bucks
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but I still have the Mutron
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and I just had it worked on again.
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I used that on The Devil Went Down to Georgia,
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used it on the T-Ride record and I've used it for so many things.
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It's unbelievable.
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And I will never let that go, but I'm not really precious about anything else,
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Well, that's pretty healthy I think.
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to be honest with you.
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Yeah.
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Let's take a quick break.
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Yeah.
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We've been talking a lot about like your whole gaming history and where you kind of
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I feel really energized.
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came from as a guitar player.
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We haven't even begun to scratch the surface of the fact that you actually write some music
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That I do.
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too.
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Yeah, I do.
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Hi.
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And not like rewriting somebody else's music, but like actually writing your own thing.
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No, no. Yeah.
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How are you Damn good.
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Why don't we delve a little bit into that?
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Well, obviously, it has been guitar-centric in what we've been talking about, but after Guitar Hero, actually, like I said, I got into Just Dance, and that opened up a lot of doors for working with Ubisoft and Activision and other games.
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(inaudible)
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(inaudible)
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You
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You
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You
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So I've worked on Call of Duty, I've worked on Ghost Recon, I wrote the theme for The Crew 2 from Ubisoft.
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You
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You
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I'm going to do a little bit of a quick look at this.
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Ghost Recon Wildlands was really interesting because I was writing
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Narco Caritos, which are Mexican drug lord songs. So I had a whole team of
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people I worked with in LA that made it sound authentic. I wrote an entire
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soundtrack for that game.
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Did they have to go down to like the drug fields and get actual people field hands to
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Well we watched a lot of Breaking Bad. Yeah that's a that's that's as close as
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[LAUGH]
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come play this stuff for you?
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Okay.
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Okay.
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(laughs)
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Okay.
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I got to it. But yeah, I mean, I think that the composing side has been really interesting
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(chuckles)
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[silence]
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because I kind of get shoehorned as a guitar player, obviously, because I can't stop talking
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about it. I'm a total guitar nerd. I've written everything from Balkan gypsy tunes to Bollywood
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[BLANK_AUDIO]
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music. In fact, we did a session at East West back for one of the Just Dances where it was
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[ Silence ]
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an entire Bollywood Christmas thing. And so I'm more eclectic when it comes to that. I'm
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Hmm.
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[laughs]
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certainly not an orchestral composer even though that was what my degree was in.
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[Silence]
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I just don't I just don't find myself I can't keep up with the guys doing the
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Sure.
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Hans Zimmer style thing because that's a such a saturated world and I made a
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decision early on not to even bother touching that. So I kind of split my time
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half and half with video games and television and you mentioned Robert
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Navarro I'm now a partner of Pop Machine. I'm actually Robert, I've partnered with
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Wait, he didn't. Did he tell me that? No, or it was with somebody else and then he took
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Mm, cool.
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You
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Robert. Well it started about, I guess it's about six months ago now, you know, so
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You
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Thank you.
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it back and then you jumped in or. Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. Gotcha. Yeah. No. Pop machine's
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[ Silence ]
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I'm doing all the mastering. Yeah, yeah, so I'm doing the mastering in the middle.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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been around for a while.
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Oh yeah, I wrote one of the first library albums for Pop Machine called
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Gotcha.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Highways and Byways, which was a bunch of acoustic kind of back porch, Sunday
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You
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You
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You
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drive style stuff. But yeah, now I'm actually a partner with him doing the mastering and the
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You
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You
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[ Silence ]
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metadata as well as producing the albums with other artists. So that's a big chunk of time
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Sure.
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that I'm taking up now doing that. And it is. It's fun for me to be on that side, on the mastering
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No, that stuff is tedious work.
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(silence)
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Aha.
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and metadata side, because I did that for APM for many, many years for Endgame. And then I stopped
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Aha.
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Ah.
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doing that. So yeah, I do music for Let's Make a Deal. I do music for Monday Night
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Football. In fact, I just did another theme for them for the upcoming, for the
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season. And I did music for the Chicago Cubs last year, which was sad because it
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came right out at the time that COVID hit. And I had just done the new theme for
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Yeah. Yeah. Do you find that with your, you know, when you're composing and the fact that
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And.
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the Cubs and everything and they're using it. But you know, sports last year
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Yeah.
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really wasn't sports the way that, you know, it's coming back.
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Sure.
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Slowly, but surely, but yeah, it'll take some more time.
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But yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Um.
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you've done so much, put words in your mouth there and using your saying, but you've done
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so much sort of like forensic work when it comes to other people's music, do you find
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[BLANK_AUDIO]
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that that has sort of like influenced your composition?
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Do you find that there's some cross pollination there?
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Or is it just like, no, I have that's part of that.
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Well, I only have 64K of RAM in my head.
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And when I do my own thing, you kind of want to step away from that or.
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There has to be some.
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(laughing)
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So what happens is after I'm done with a project,
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Haven't heard that in a while.
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>> Right, yeah.
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well, when I'm done with a project,
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it empties out of my head completely.
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I think that it becomes part of my bigger circle
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as far as the knowledge that I've gotten out of that.
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But no, I don't think it really does influence,
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I think I'm in a different mindset in the forensic space
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that it doesn't rub off on me the same way that way.
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Not compositionally.
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Yeah.
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I mean, yeah, I probably do glean some things from it,
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but I still think my style is, it's unaffected by that
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(silence)
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and it's more learning whatever I'm gonna have to go into
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(breathing deeply)
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because a lot of times I'm already out of my,
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(breathing deeply)
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I don't really have a norm.
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It's always been based on whatever the needs
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of the company were.
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I don't write albums every day for myself.
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It's always been focused on whatever the end go,
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Whatever the brief is, type of thing.
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yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah. Right.
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So if I get a brief, my brain just opens up
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and I go in that direction.
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And I take it the same way as I would a rerecord
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Yeah. Right.
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and I just, I research by listening to different things
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and I say, okay, well,
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then I add my own version of that in.
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So, yeah.
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So fortunately it hasn't, I don't sound like Elton John.
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Yeah, no, no, I, I, who doesn't, right? Yeah. Right.
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Well, next time you need to do that, let me know because I know some of his current band
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I kind of wish I did, but you know.
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Yeah, right.
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Yeah.
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Oh, you do, okay.
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members.
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Yes.
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, I might not have said the question as I intended, but not necessarily that you would, for one of a better phrase, rip off composition wise, but more like has it sort of educated your mindset as far as like recording chains or gotten an idea where it's like, oh, you know what, that's really cool on this record.
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Well, there you see, there you go.
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Oh.
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(chuckles)
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Oh sure.
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they did, like they did, oh, they ran a plexi,
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but then they had this or whatever, right?
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Oh sure, yeah, everything that I learned from a re-record ends up going, it definitely comes
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So that gives ideas from that.
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Right, yeah.
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back into my production for sure. Yeah, absolutely. I didn't use to mix my own
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music and it wasn't until we started doing After Guitar Hero where I was
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forced to actually have to do my own mixes that things really started to
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change and yes everything I learned goes back into the toolkit for whatever and I
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actually think that way too. I just put a video up on Instagram yesterday of our
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today of something I played yesterday. I got this really cool... I'll show you guys. I
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No.
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No.
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I think we talked about this, the legendary tones hotmod.
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Oh nice wow wow wow yeah
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Yeah.
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Yeah, so what this is, is you plug it
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into the second preamp tube section of a Marshall,
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Yeah.
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and it gives you a modified Marshall
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with an extra gain stage.
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So it's kind of like what we used to do back in the day
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when you'd chop up the amp and put extra tubes in and stuff.
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When I was using this, which is--
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it's great, because now I don't have to--
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I won't do that to an amp at this point in time.
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(laughs)
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They're too valuable.
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Yeah, I thought a lot about that.
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Yeah.
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How do I create this particular tone?
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And that came from, I was using Echo Boy
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because I wanted to use a stereo set of Echo Plexes
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and I wanted to use this 480L reverb
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that I had used on a guitar track
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from a rerecord a few years ago
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that I thought, oh wow,
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this gives it this really great ambient vibe.
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And so yes, I absolutely learned
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to put those things in my productions.
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I'll send you guys a link to the video
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Yeah, it'd be really cool.
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>> Sweet.
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because I think the tone turned out really, really cool.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, no.
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So when it comes to, you know, reverbs and things outside of the, well, not necessarily
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Yeah.
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outside of the hardware realm, but when you're not talking about hardware amps and things,
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your AMP heads.
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Yeah.
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do you find yourself that you hunt down a, you know, like you mentioned, like a 480L
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Yeah, at this point, yeah, I made a switch about,
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or are you using or making use of like IRs
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and things like that at this point in the end?
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Yeah.
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four or five years ago, completely away from hardware.
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I am 100% in the box now, aside from my amp heads.
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I had, the recalls were just brutal.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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When we were doing Guitar Hero, we had an SSL J series,
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Yeah.
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So.
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and we had all the Poltex and the 480Ls and whatnot,
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and it would take hours to do a recall
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of six little things they needed changed.
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well, I can't do that anymore.
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And honestly, yes, hardware does sound different,
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but I have a ton of the UA stuff,
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Yeah.
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waves and other programs that are so close,
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you have to go with the flexibility and repeatability
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and immediacy of saying,
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yeah, I got three, four ADLs running,
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when am I gonna go and have three of those again?
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No doubt just sitting around as hardware boxes.
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Yeah, right.
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You know what I mean?
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And so, you know,
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Yeah.
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and they're getting kind of harder to maintain.
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So I don't miss it.
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Mmm, yes.
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I had a breakasty, one of the greatest reverbs ever.
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And then I found the seventh heaven version of the breakasty.
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Yeah.
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And let me tell you, I did AB tests.
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Oh, sure.
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I went back and forth and back and forth
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and I sold my breakasty.
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I will never say anything bad about the breakasty.
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I will say that the seventh heaven saved me
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because now I can have four versions of that running.
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And I don't have to print, you know,
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I don't have to print the take.
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Yeah
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Sure.
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And, you know, when you're doing stems for a game,
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Yeah, they did a real quick Jody but but I
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No way do I want anything like a real time bounce
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per stem, per track, you know.
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Well, I think I.
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Yeah, I remember that.
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in a moment of silence there. Well, yes, exactly. No, it was waiting for session water to catch
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Bracosti as well
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I can't remember it was for when they did the launch of the unit
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But there was several years ago that they actually released a bunch of I ours that they had done for that as well
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Yeah, so I'm sorry Jody I stopped over here that wait what you got
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Yeah.
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Yeah the reboot
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Yeah, 64K of RAM.
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Yes, I am.
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Hmm
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I was going to say about the 40L.
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I'm assuming that you're using the UA version of that plugin.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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I have the Relab, which is excellent as well,
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Sure.
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but I use, you know,
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Yeah.
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I've kind of invested pretty heavily in the UA.
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There's something, Jody and I have talked about a fair bit here as well, because it is
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I've got an Octo-satellite card and I've got the X8P.
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And I don't run out of processing power
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because I do still use a ton of waves
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>> Right, right, right. [LAUGHTER]
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and a variety of other ones,
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but I do go back to the UA a lot for their emulations,
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which are very good.
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Yeah.
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very easy to get what we call a geared arrangement syndrome here where you're constantly chasing
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Right.
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sort of like the air quote best emulation right and that's in my opinion anyway that's always
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That's true.
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a moving target because it depends on which unit has been you know or thank you and most people
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emulated.
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not everybody obviously but most people that end up getting the emulations have probably never
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worked with a hardware unit to begin with. So I think whether it's an exact replica of whatever
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it is becomes less important and it becomes more important of how you're actually using that piece
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of gear where you can use that. So it's interesting that you mentioned like yeah use the UA stuff and
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I agree.
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Slate's great.
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I'm a big slate guy and Jodi's a UA guy. But yeah but it also it's like for me I feel like it wouldn't
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It's great.
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Right.
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behoove me to get another emulation as well, right? Because I think it's better to really get to know
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[BLANK_AUDIO]
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the gear that you have and whether I'm succeeding at that is is arguable at this stage. But it's
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[LAUGHTER]
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like yeah you know what Chris that song would sound so much better if you had a different SSL
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(laughs)
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Well, no, a good song is a good song.
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[LAUGHTER]
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emulation on it. You know what I mean? So...
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Yeah right.
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[LAUGHTER]
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again, put a mic anywhere near Paul McCartney,
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[BLANK_AUDIO]
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and it's gonna be great.
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And it doesn't matter.
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Yeah.
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Yes, the Beatles were recorded extremely well, and
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Yeah?
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I'll forever be thankful that there are things that we can hear on that.
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But I'll tell you this, back in the day, I have to say back in the day,
00:33:42.040 --> 00:33:44.960
get off my lawn, all those things.
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When we had hardware, a keyboard, a sample or whatever it was, we had one.
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You didn't have a lot of money to buy an H3000, and
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you knew that thing inside and out.
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Yeah.
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Now, you go and you buy a plug-in, and
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[ Silence ]
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I guarantee you don't know it inside and out.
00:34:03.600 --> 00:34:06.980
If you have 150 or 1200 or whatever,
00:34:06.980 --> 00:34:09.600
you're using presets or you're twisting it
00:34:09.600 --> 00:34:10.720
a little bit here and there,
00:34:10.720 --> 00:34:13.180
but you are not intimately familiar.
00:34:13.180 --> 00:34:15.920
I think being familiar with your gear
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:18.120
and getting the best out of it,
00:34:18.120 --> 00:34:20.040
that's a whole different thing.
00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:48.000
Yeah, yeah.
00:34:20.040 --> 00:34:22.800
And that's called being dedicated to your art.
00:34:20.700 --> 00:34:23.000
>> Yes.
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And these days, there is no excuse.
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>> You've got a problem.
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:27.640
If you can't make something sound good
00:34:27.640 --> 00:34:31.000
with the tools that come with your DAW stock,
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then it's your fault.
00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:32.840
Yes.
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It's not gonna get saved by,
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:38.680
it's like wine or any of those things.
00:34:38.680 --> 00:34:40.440
You get 95% of the way there,
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:43.520
the extra five costs you exponentially more
00:34:43.520 --> 00:34:45.960
and only a few of the cork sniffers
00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:49.540
>> This is almost sounding like a commercial for us.
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:47.400
are gonna notice the difference.
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:53.580
Yeah. (laughs)
00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:58.000
Yeah, no, but I'm so happy to hear you say that because it's something that Jody and I say a lot, right?
00:34:49.540 --> 00:34:54.540
for us on a previous episode. (laughs)
00:34:53.580 --> 00:34:54.580
Yeah.
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(laughs)
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Yeah.
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It's not about arrogance at all, you know, because I don't do that well sometimes.
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(sighs)
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And I think it can come across as sort of hyperbole or just arrogance, quite frankly, but it really is true.
00:34:58.620 --> 00:35:00.620
(sighs)
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(ch ON tra)
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(
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(
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(
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(
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It really is true.
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)
00:35:07.620 --> 00:35:08.620
(
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Well, no, but I'm saying from our perspective, it's like, well, you know, all the mud people
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)
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(
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(
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)
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Yeah, sure.
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(
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)
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(
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)
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No.
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can use the stock stuff, right?
00:35:16.620 --> 00:35:17.620
(
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)
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No, it's not about that.
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(
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It's like, you know, it really is, do you know your EQ?
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No.
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)
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That's right.
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(
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)
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(
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Do you know your compressor?
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)
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(
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And then, you know, everything else is just flavors kind of thing.
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Absolutely true, absolutely true.
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)
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(
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)
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So there, okay.
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(
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)
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But of course.
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I got to go out on the lawn and yell out my clouds now.
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(laughing)
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Oh man.
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So yeah.
00:35:37.680 --> 00:35:40.360
So what do you say Jodi?
00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:49.220
Yeah, oh.
00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:44.680
Should we thank Steve here for being very generous with his time here and go into the
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last few questions here.
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Thank you so much Steve.
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Really really appreciate this.
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Totally fun.
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So as I, we have three questions.
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Well we have three questions that we're going to finish up with here.
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Thank you.
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Oh, there are three questions?
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We're going to, yes.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Do you want to start Jodi?
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Steve, name your favorite piece of gear that you absolutely cannot live without.
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It's gonna be the universal ox.
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Very cool, straightforward, all right.
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All right.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it.
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It's gotta be that.
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Okay.
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I mean, all right, I'm gonna just plan B.
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Sorry, studio one.
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(laughing)
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I mean, come on, I can't do anything without Studio One.
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There you go.
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No, it's the Mac.
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No, okay, all right.
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I'm gonna just go back to the ox.
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There you go. All right, awesome. You'll be lost without it. Okay, so the second question I would
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(laughing)
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I love them all, but that's the answer.
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Yeah.
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(chuckles)
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(inaudible)
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Oh, that's a great question.
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like to ask, what's the biggest lesson that you've ever learned in your career?
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Stay hungry, in other words.
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But wait, there's more.
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That you can never, you never are at your pinnacle.
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Okay.
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Yeah, I think that no matter what things you've done,
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you could always do better.
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That's what I've learned.
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You might be thinking, wow, that was awesome.
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And it might be, but there's more.
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Human beings are incredible at being able to grow.
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Are you good?
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So that's what I would say.
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Okay, all right.
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All right.
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The advice that you universally give to others.
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Do your absolute best work wherever you are
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Don't be a dick.
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every time and don't be a dick.
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That's...
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Isn't that the most universal thing?
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You have never stepped inside the studio.
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Yeah.
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I had an LA, but I actually literally had a sticker that said don't be a dick on it.
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No worries.
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I have to say, just treat people with kindness.
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Very cool.
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We have way too much of that going on in the world.
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Yes, we agree.
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If you don't have something nice to say,
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don't say anything at all.
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But yes, I would say always do your best.
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I've got a lot of plan B's on there.
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Thank you very much.
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Sorry about that, guys.
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No, that's awesome. That is very, very cool. Very cool.
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Yeah, man, this was fun.
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Good. Well, thank you again for doing this. Yeah, a lot of. Yeah, I think we've laughed more today than we have in a fair bit of time so.
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All right. Yes, we agree. Thank you very much.
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This was fun.
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Quite a long time. Yes. Well, it's time for Friday Fines. And we always kick it off with
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Well, good.
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Yeah, all right.
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Yeah.
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Chris. What do you got today, Chris? Yes. Yeah, mine was impromptu though.
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Yes, don't I feel important? I have some music this week just like you did last week and it's the
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(laughs)
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new single with Biffy Cliero. They have a new single out called Unknown Male Zero One and
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Oh yeah?
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besides being a really really cool song the production is fucking amazing. It sounds really
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Well go at 'em!
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really good. Yeah it's produced by a guy called Adam Noble and yeah you should go check it out.
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you
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you
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It's a really really cool song and I think it's one of those tracks that's going to make it into my list of reference tracks for when I'm mixing.
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you
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you
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Ooh, exciting.
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Yeah, it sounds really really good. So there you go. What about you Jody? What do you got for us?
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you
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My Friday Find this week is Yamaha
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you
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Hmm
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y
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and it's brand new DTX8 and DTX10 electronic drum sets.
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I guess what sets these kits apart
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from other electronic kits is they're using wood shells
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for their toms and their snare.
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So it's still the same concept
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You
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if you've got like these rubbery symbols and such
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You
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You
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and your Yamaha brain, but you're now playing
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You
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on your mesh heads with wood shells.
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That's gonna make much of a difference.
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I'm not sure, I don't know.
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It would be interesting to record that with live cymbals,
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comparatively how I did it with V-drum kits
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way back in the day with just the mesh heads
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that you didn't have a whole lot of sound with.
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So yes, the Yamaha DTX series now has wood shells.
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Hmm. Doesn't have to be new. Ooh, yes. Yeah. Oh,
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Steve, can we put you on the spot?
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Do you got something you wanna like say, hey?
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No! [Laughter] You cannot leave the batteries in those things. [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter]
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I got something, but it's nothing new.
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It's something old.
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You guys are seeing it right here.
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Yeah, what I'm showing here is an EBO from Heat.
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I believe they call the company.
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Everyone that does not know, if you don't know,
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oh, I burned out my battery.
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I left it on.
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I generally tend to borrow Jodie's when I need one.
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I left it on.
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I left it on.
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Alright.
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Okay, so an EBO is an electro-mechanical voice,
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not voice, it's an electromechanical unit that Jody and I, Chris, do you have one?
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Okay, okay. Yeah, this is infinite sustain from your guitar or bass or other
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every four years. Yeah.
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[sniffles]
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[sigh]
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[laughter]
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instrument that uses the proper strings. It does not work on an acoustic guitar,
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[
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Laughter ]
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[
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Laughter ]
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[
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Laughter ]
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to my knowledge. Bronze doesn't work. But anyways, it lets you sustain a single note
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[
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Laughter ]
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[
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Laughter ]
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[
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Laughter ]
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forever and ever and ever and the closer you get to the pickup the louder it gets
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[
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Laughter ]
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[
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Laughter ]
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[
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and it picks up the harmonics of the string it sounds kind of like
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Laughter ]
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feedback used on a gazillion different tracks from a gazillion different artists
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[
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Laughter ]
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[
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and it may be the coolest invention of all time I literally said earlier that I
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Very nice. Yeah.
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[
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Laughter ]
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Now, is that an original EBO?
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had my mutron octave divider forever I've actually had this as long and this
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is so this is 33 years old and it still works well it's a it's a 33 year old
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Well, okay, so yeah, okay.
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ebo
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no I have worn the paint off of I have worn most of the white paint off of it
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You're still like I was wondering.
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Yeah, yours is yours isn't EBO EBO.
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Yeah, yeah, I think David Bowie's heroes, right?
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I thought like for a second there you said it was like a rerelease of something, but
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you've actually used it so much.
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got the paint coming off the logo. Oh, it's a fantastic device. I've just used it the
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I've used it for so many different things and it it never ceases to amaze
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me. Yeah. We could be heroes just for one day with an Evo. Me? I've been to everyone
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other day. Yes. So now, question. Have you ever attended the NAMM show? Yeah.
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But, ooh, we're not gonna top that.
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So, let.
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So let... (laughs)
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you
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you
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So you tend to remember the old man that had the Ebo booth.
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since 1986. Yeah, of course, the guy that would do the the guy that actually really
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Constant.
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nailed it. Yes. Yeah, I actually missed a whole air--oh, I'm sorry to hear that,
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Right.
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He's no longer around.
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because he was--there was an offshoot that was from a company called--
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At least I don't think he is.
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I've heard of it.
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well, Mutron turned into ARP, and they released this crazy thing called the
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Gizmotron. Has anyone ever heard of the Gizmotron? Yeah, Lil Cream and
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(laughs)
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(music fades)
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[sighs]
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Kevin Godley from 10cc invented--or Kevin Godley or Lil Cream invented it, and it
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[laughs]
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Cool. Very cool.
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was six wheels made of rubber that would turn your guitar
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into a cello-like instrument.
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And it was, what a mess to put that thing on an instrument.
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Mmm.
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But it worked when it worked.
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It was brilliant.
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In the Light from Jimmy Page,
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she's at Led Zeppelin uses that.
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And they just recently,
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someone bought the rights to the company and rebuilt them.
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And I have a gizmetron.
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Oh boy. Nice. All right. Well, there you have it.
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So, I talk a lot.
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Very cool.
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Yeah.
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Gonna wrap it up here. While we've got your attention, we would like to ask that you go
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So, okay.
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Thank you.
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