Tapping: Surprising Science Behind Healing Claims (and how to do it) | Jessica Ortner

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Okay, So tapping the goofy looking self healing technique that
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you can do in minutes. It has been embraced by
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millions as a counter to everything from stress, fear, and
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anxiety to chronic pain and recovery. We got curious, what
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is it, How does tapping actually work? Is there science
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behind it? And how do you actually do it? That's
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where we're going in today's episode. In this conversation, you'll
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discover why positive self talk can actually backfire and why
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your body tenses when it's not ready to believe what
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you're hearing. We'll talk about the growing body of science
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behind tapping as a way to kind of rapidly reset
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your nervous system, your body, and your brain. We'll talk
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about what tapping is and what it isn't. We'll explore
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the neurosigns of memory reconsolidation and how targeting the body
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can change the way traumatic memories are stored. And we'll
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talk about how to actually do this thing called tapping
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as our guest expert guides me and you in real
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time through a live tapping session and invite you to
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follow along. And that guide is New York Times bestselling
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author of Rewired and other books and co founder of
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The Tapping Solution, Jessica Wartner. So excited to share this
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conversation with you. I'm Jonathan Field and this is good
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life project and we'll jump right in after the short break.
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Somebody who's joining us, Maybe somebody has heard of this
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thing called tapping. Maybe they've heard it spoken, but they
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really have no idea what it is. Kind of been
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bouncing around wellness circles, healthcare circles, a bunch of other circles,
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and they're curious about it, but they really have no
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idea what we're talking about. So let's set this stage
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a little bit here.
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Tapping.
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What is it and what isn't it?
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Yeah, it's called tapping because we are stimulating acupressure points
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that are on our body by tapping on them with
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our fingers. So we focus on nine points. And these
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are points that we tap on because they're in spots
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that have a high concentration of nerve endings. They're acupressure points,
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and so as you tap on those points, we have
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mechano receptors, which basically send an electrical signal, creating a
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signal of safety to your brain. One of the things
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that we're realizing is that stress doesn't live in the brain.
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It lives in your nervous system. And your nervous system
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does consist of your brain, but it also consists of
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your spinal cords and your nerve endings. And so when
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you begin to tap on this, it sends this signal
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of safety while you're focusing on something that's stressing you out.
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So it's the opposite of trying to think positive or
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think to a different thought. You're actually allowing yourself to
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notice what's bothering you and send the safety signal.
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So I mean, I'm glad that you brought positive thinking
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into it, because tapping, i've seen often falls into the
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domain of woo, of metaphysical of well, this looks really
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kind of goofy and weird. How could it possibly be
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doing anything at all? And we'll drop into the science
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a lot more, because I know there is a growing
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body of science, but when you talk about literally just
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tapping on different parts of your body, I still want
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to wrap my head around how this works. Mechanical receptors.
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It sounds like we have receptors or like in the
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skin or underneath the skin that's somehow tying into our
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nervous system.
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Yes, So if you ever notice when people are very stressed,
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they tend to maybe put their hand on their chest,
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or they hold yep right, they hold like the bridge
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of their nose, their eyebrow point underneath the eye. These
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are acupressure points. So I think intuitively we know that
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they are points that help us have a sense of comfort.
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This started. I'll talk about how it started because I
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think that answers the question of like, well, how like
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how have we figured out that you tap on these points.
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There is a man called doctor Roger Callahan who was
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a therapist. He did a CBT cognitive behavioral therapy, which
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is really kind of the standard practice. And he had
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a woman, her name was Mary, and she had a
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horrible water phobia. And as much as she tried, he
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worked with her trying to reframe it, to try to
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think differently, to take a different perspective. When she was
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around water, she would physically panic. It would start with
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her body and she would always say, it starts in
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my stomach. I just I look at water and I
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just feel it in my stomach and I go into
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a panic attack. And he had been working with her
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for about two years. At the same time, he was
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studying these acupressure points, and he made the connection that
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underneath the eye is the stomach meridian. He goes, well,
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her distress is happening in the stomach, and my words
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and my regular talk therapy, it's not connecting to that part.
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She's not shifting. And so what he did was he
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combined what he was doing, but instead of just talking
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to her, he had her tap underneath the eye. And
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when she was able to stimulate that acupressure point and
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to think about the water and have her regular conversation
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with him, her whole body began to relax. And he
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worked out of his house and had a swimming pool,
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which she never went that way. She always came through
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the front door. She was able to go outside and
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look at that swimming pool. Then the next day they
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met at the ocean to go, let's this is the
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big test the ocean. She was able to walk on
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the beach for the first time in twenty years. That
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set off this fascination from this therapist, going, well, this
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can happen, what else is possible? So he began to
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work with work with his clients using stimulating these acupressure
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points while doing his talk therapy. He's expanded that was
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called thought field therapy. And then a gentleman came in
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called Gary Craig, who was a student of his. He
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was a Stanford engineer, and he thought, this isn't This
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is incredible, but the only people who are learning this
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are therapists. So what if we find a way to
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make it more accessible. We're instead of having to map
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out where the stress is, what it connects to, we
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focus on nine points that are coming up. Again and again.
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He focused on those nine points and people started get
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getting breakthroughs, and they started getting breakthroughs by themselves by
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learning this and tapping on it. And so he created
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that and then we came along to start to share
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this with more people, and it's really evolved since then
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with the tapping meditations that we've created and happy to
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talk about the data in the research we have. But
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that's really how it started. Almost curiosity and by accident.
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Yeah, I mean that's wild that you know one person
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has a patient with something that is like fairly intractable,
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and phobias are often known as being like really difficult
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to treat, and that a physical bringing something physical into
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a more traditional CBT or talk therapy type of format
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would make such a huge change. But at the same time,
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it resonates with this notion that so much of what
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we experience is embodied, It doesn't just exist in our minds,
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and how do we actually access that in a way
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that gives us some sort of release or shift.
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Yeah, and this is this answers that question. Because I
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grew up reading self help books really believe it, and
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I believe in it. I believe in the power of
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positive thinking, but I had such horrible anxiety as a
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kid that no amount a positive thinking was really touching
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the physical anxiety. So I could tell myself it was okay,
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but physically I didn't feel that. It's almost like, if
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you have someone who's scared of flying, you can tell
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them listen, statistically, you're more in danger getting into a car,
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and you can give them all the facts and all
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of the data, and they will still go into a
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panic attack thinking about going on an airplane because it's
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a nervous system response somewhere in our past there was
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a trigger in our body that made us believe this
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is dangerous. And so whenever that trigger it appears, whether
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it's fear of flying, fear of public speaking, being in
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a relationship, your body starts to tighten up, it starts
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to tense, sometimes without us logically realizing it or understanding why,
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we're just having a physical reaction. What I think is
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very helpful to understand is that your nervous system does
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not care if you reach your goals or if you're
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spiritually evolved. Your nervous system cares about survival, and so
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if it believes something is unsafe, whether that thing is
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a healthy relationship, following your dreams speaking up, you will
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have a physical response. It's like misguided self love. Your
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body goes this is not safe. We have to find
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a way to create a message directly to the body
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saying you are safe. And when your nervous system feels safe,
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now we can reach our goals. Now we can expand.
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But at our core, we are animals looking to survive,
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and when we have a reaction of stress, it's a
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survival instinct. And tapping is that direct communication to your
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body to say you're safe. You can calm down, you
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can relax. It's safe to take the next step.
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So when you first hear about this thing called tapping,
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are you like this is this sounds amazing, I'm open
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to it? Or were you hesitant?
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I was so hesitant. So it started because my brother
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Nick heard Tony Robbins mention it. He was at a
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Tony Robbins event. He starts exploring it. He has incredible results.
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I'm going through a really dark chapter in my life.
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I'm really struggling. I was sick with a cold and
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I had been sick for about two weeks. It was
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one of those colds that just was not going away.
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And he came over it and he goes, hey, I
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heard you're sick. I have this new thing. You want
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to try it? We're gonna tap on your face. And
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I was like no, and he's like, come on, just
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try it. And there was a moment I remember that
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I'm like tapping on the top of my head and
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I look at him and I go, Nick, if this
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is a joke, I'm going to murder you. Because I
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am the youngest of two older brothers and I have
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a history of them playing practical jokes. He goes, no, no, no, no,
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just please stick with it. But to say I was
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skeptical is like, like I was incredibly skeptical. I was
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on borderline thinking that he was pranking me. And so
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but I'm tapping, and I start to feel my body settle,
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and I start to feel my mind quieting, and I
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get this this thought, and I just look at my
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brother and I go, I don't want to get better,
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And he goes, what do you mean you don't want
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to get better? And I go, I've never thought of
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this before. But if I'm not working or trying, I
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feel like I'm drowning in guilt. And so the only
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way to take a break is to be sick. And
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it wasn't that I went out looking for a virus
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to get me sick, but your body listens, and if
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you believe that the only way to take a break
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is to be sick, you will create that in your
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life as a way of trying to take care of yourself.
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And so I shifted my tapping from focusing on how
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physically sick I felt to talking about how emotionally lost
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I felt. And as I was able to say, kind
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of those secrets, the burden I was holding. I felt
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this this release and it was almost like if you've
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been caring a really heavy backpack for a long time
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and you take it off, you almost realize like you
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didn't you forget what it felt like to not carry
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a backpack. You're almost like a little bit like WHOA,
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that was crazy. And I had this great breakthrough and
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then I will be honest with you, Jonathan, I just
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went on with my life because that's what we do.
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Sometimes we find something, we feel good, we feel better,
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and then we just like forget and we just go on.
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And it was months later that I was going through
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them to hear me crying. And I was thinking like, okay,
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how do I stop sobbing? And I was like, what
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is Oh what's that thing that Nick taught me? Okay,
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I definitely didn't get all the points, but I did it,
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and again I felt this peace, this comfort. And that's
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when I went to my brother and we started chatting
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and we will we should make a documentary film about this,
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and that's really what started this journey for us.
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I think you and I probably met shortly after that too.
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What was it like twenty years ago at this.
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film came out about twenty years ago, so it was yeah,
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a little after that.
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How do you go from saying, okay, Nick discovers this
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try it once, you're like, wow, this made a difference,
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kind of forget about it for months, and then try
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it again and like this is interesting to feeling like
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you you know this modality, you understand it on a
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level which lets you then turn around and say like,
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it works.
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behind the camera. And then the next thing that really
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changed our lives is we decided to do an online summit,
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which nowadays you know there's a million of them, people
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see them all the time. But we started it eighteen
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years ago when it didn't exist. It didn't exist that
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you could go online and learn something, to the point
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that you couldn't record online at that time. That first
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tapping World Summit that we did. We had fifty thousand
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people show up. It changed our lives. We had no
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idea it would be so big, but there was such
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a hunger. I think one reason there was such a
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hunger is that people experienced it for themselves and they
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wanted to figure out. They wanted to learn more, they
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wanted to learn how they could teach it, they wanted
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to be able to share it with their family, and
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so it really spread there. But it was a long time.
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these summits and the documentary.
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you basically took a small number of people with all
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these different ailments and things that they were really and
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then basically this this intensive a couple of days of
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tapping and teaching them how to do this and having
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them do it like repeatedly, and the outcomes in a
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really short period of time were kind of astonishing. But
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I remember seeing that. I'm like, on the one hand,
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I was blown away. I was like, wow, like, if
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if this is real, it's pretty incredible. But the if
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was always there for me, you know, I was kind
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of like like, how, like how I mean all these
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things that that we deal with on a daily basis,
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of dollars have been spent trying to figure out how
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to improve, even in the slightest bit, and you're introducing
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this that seems to make huge potential changes in a
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ridiculously short period of time. So and I know that
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there have been a lot of doubters along the way
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and a lot of skeptics, and probably rightfully so, you know,
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because there's a lot of stuff that a lot of
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people get sold in the interim. In the last fifteen
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twenty years, this has gone from a lot of claims,
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a lot of people doing, and a metric ton of
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anecdotal evidence to more science. So take me into what's
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been going on in terms of the science behind this
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at this point.
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Yeah. Yes, And to your point, when we made the documentary,
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we didn't have the language to explain how it worked.
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the brain scan studies. So we were coming into it
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talking about the energetic system. That's all the only language
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that we knew, and it wasn't until later that many people.
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It's almost like it got too big to ignore, and
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so a lot of people in different universities started to
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it started to peak their interest. So far, there has
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been three hundred published studies around the effectiveness of tapping.
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That includes foreign studies as well. There's countries all over
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the world that are also studying it. One hundred and
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twenty of those are peer reviewed, and then fifty of
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them are randomized trials, so that's really the gold standard.
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The study that I think really took things to a
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new level that really peaked the interest of the scientific
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community was one done in Bond University by a woman
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named doctor Peter Stapleton, and she did a replica study,
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which means this study had already been done in the past.
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It was studying cortisol levels, but the one that was
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done in the past was by someone outside of a
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university who was passionate about tapping. Well, she's in a university.
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She decides, let's replicate this study, and so they had
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three groups of peaceeople. They had one group who was
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doing tapping. They had a second group that was doing
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psycho education, which means you're learning about how to think differently,
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how to reframe a problem. And then they had a
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third control group, which was just relaxing, and what they
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were testing was their cortisol. Cortisol is often known as
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the stress hormone. We all need cortisol to help us
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wake up in the morning, but what tends to happen
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is we have an overproduction of cortisol due to stress.
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And when you talk to any experts in the field
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of brain health, digestion, immune health, really across the board,
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doctors will say, you want to feel better, you've got
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a lower cortisol, you have to lower your stress. In
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this study, they found out they found out that the
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decrease of cortisol was forty three percent from one session.
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The control group, which was the talk therapy, it did
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go down, it went down by nineteen percent, and then
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the talk sorry the relaxed group, it actually went up
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by two percent. And they think it's because they told
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them they're not allowed to look at their cell phones
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because they were trying to control it. And I think
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that created anxiety for people who are dependent. But let's
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talk about this forty three percent decrease in cortisols. So
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not only are people saying I feel better, I feel
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less stressed, but there's biomarkers showing that cordial levels are
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going down.
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Was this from one session or like a series of
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sessions over time?
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This was with one session, got it?
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So if a single session can make a fairly immediate change,
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I guess the curiosity becomes what if this becomes a practice,
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Like what if this is just a part of your
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life that you do on a daily or on a
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regular basis.
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Yeah, well that's exactly it. And I do think it's
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good to have a distinction between the tap that we
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do that your wife enjoys from our tapping meditations. And
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then also there are therapists or people trained in tapping
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who work one on one. So, for example, the studies
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that I think are the most incredible, but almost I'm
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almost disappointed by how good they are because I feel
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like it creates skepticism or the studies around PTSD. But
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the studies have been so great that the VA has
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now approved tapping to be used by therapists. So if
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you are a veteran, there's many therapists that are incorporating
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tapping and what they're realizing is that when you have
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a traumatic experience and you're reliving it, your body is
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going into that fight or flight. So if you're now
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with the therapist, instead of just talking about it and
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reliving it in your body, if you start to stimulate
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the points, you're creating this new sensory of safety, and
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it's called memory reconsolidation, because when you have a memory,
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you'll start to have that stress response because it's saved
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with that response. When you think about a memory, what
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neuroscientists are realizing is you really unlock it. You can
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think about something in your past and the same emotions
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will come up that you experience in that moment, even
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if it happened twenty five years ago, and then when
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you stop thinking about it and you move on, it
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saves the same way. But if you think of a
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memory and you open that file and now instead of
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reliving the trauma, you're now using your body to send
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that signal of safety, what happens is that memory saves differently.
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What happens stays the same, but it's not triggering your
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body in the same way. And so that's what we're
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seeing when therapists are working with those who have PTSD.
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Then we have the tapping meditation where my brothers and
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I saw these incredible results and we thought this is incredible,
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and we still have the same problem. It's dependent on
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someone else, and when it's three o'clock in the morning,
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you're not going to call your therapist. And with three
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o'clock in the morning and you're panicking, it's hard to meditate.
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So we created these tapping meditations which will lead you
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for ten to fifteen minutes to acknowledge how you're feeling,
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to send that signal of safety before moving to feeling
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better to a different state using the tapping. So we
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have tapping with therapists, and then we have tapping meditations.
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What's extraordinary about the tapping meditations is that within our app,
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the Tapping Solution app, we measure zero to ten how
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do you feel? So we don't celebrate, oh, you've been
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here for three days like most apps do. They just
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celebrate that you came back. We're like, is your anxiety better?
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Let's see the scale. We've had thirty five million tapping
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meditations completed. Eighteen million of those have data sets, which
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means people actively put in a before and an after
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exactly from the zero to ten scale, so we have
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eighteen million data point. There is no app in the
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mental health world that has that kind of documentation. And
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because of that, now certain universities like Yale and Harvard
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Medical School are turning their heads going can we look
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at that data? And that's created a lot of great
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relationships and more research that's now in process, and.
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So which makes me want to know? What is that
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data showing you? Like the before and after data?
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Yeah, it's incredible. So for example, we have a tapping
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meditation called Releasing Anxiety, and it is a nine minute
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tapping meditation and after a million plays it had a
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forty one percent reduction in anxiety. So forty one percent
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average decrease and anxiety in nine minutes and that's that's
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a million data points. It's not like fifty people or
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twenty five people. It's after a million sessions.
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Yeah, and I mean it sounds stunny important to note also,
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and you like you were just talking, there's a wide
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range of evidence that you can look at, like the
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gold standard you know, often university placebo, double blind controlled,
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and then there's the data that you just shared, which
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is it doesn't have those but what you have is
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big data, a massive, massive data set where you look
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at that. It's interesting also because one of the questions
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often with any kind of experiment is causation versus correlation.
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You know, is it just that this is happening at
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the same time, or are there other things? You know,
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are they correlated with each other, or is one thing
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actually causing the other. I mean, it's interesting because if
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you have data that shows somebody starts in this state,
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you know, like a certain heightened anxiety, they do a
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nine minute intervention and then there's a forty one percent
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reduction after that intervention, You've got a million data points
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that show it. You know, that that starts to argue
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more causation, which is a hard thing often to show.
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Yeah, what's interesting too about the tapping is that you're
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not using positive thinking, you're actually starting by focusing on
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the negative. So you would assume that if you're just
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focusing on how bad you feel, that you would feel worse.
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Right, But what.
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You're doing is you're retraining your body to say, even
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though I have this thought, i'm safe. And so if
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you have a thought but your body feels safe, well
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you can think a negative thought, but it doesn't mean
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you believe it because of your body. And that's why
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sometimes you know, if someone says to you you're enough,
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you're worthy, you're wonderful, your body can tense up and
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you can go, oh, no, I don't believe that's uncomfortable
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to hear. I don't believe that to be true. And
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you take that physical reaction as evidence that you are
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not enough because that would feel more comfortable. It must
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be true. But when you tap on those feelings, on
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that resistance, and you allow your body to feel safe,
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then you're able to really let those things land. It's
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almost like weeding before you plant. So we're not just
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you know, thinking positive or saying it's going to work.
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We're allowing people to go to their darker places to
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tap and to send that calming signal.
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Yeah, which brings up another curiosity of mine. It sounds
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like what you're also implying is that you do not
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have to believe that this works for it to work.
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Is that accurate.
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Yes, it's very accurate, and we see it a lot
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from We'll get emails from people going, my wife made
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me do this, and I did not want to do this,
517
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and I've had a breakthrough, and I know from myself
518
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of tapping and being incredibly skeptical, So you don't have
519
00:29:16.599 --> 00:29:18.359
to believe it works. You just have to give it
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a try. And it works differently for different people. Will
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also be real. Some people are like, oh, yeah, I
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feel a little bit better, and other people are going,
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oh my gosh, that was incredible, So we all react
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to it a little bit different. But I have seen
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the biggest skeptics just come out so surprised.
526
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Because we hear that inflammation is so connected to so
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many different things. Are you aware of any research on
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tapping and inflammatory states.
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There's been research around. It was a small study, but
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showing gene expression after tapping and found that certain genes
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that correlated to inflammation were turned down after tapping. What
532
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I find so fascinating is how many people come and
533
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they focus on tapping for back pain or knee pain
534
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or headaches. And when I first started doing this, I
535
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was very skeptical about that. Like I understood the emotional
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component that you can feel less angry or feel less stressed,
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but for your back pain to go down, that didn't
538
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make sense to me. When I started to the point
539
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that when we were making the documentary, we were we
540
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wanted people from all different walks of life, and there
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was this one woman named Patricia who came to us
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and she showed us her X ray. Her back just
543
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looked like you could see the iron rod, and she
544
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damaged her spinal cord, had to have emergency surgery, and
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she was so grateful that she could still use her legs,
546
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but the pain followed her everywhere and her life began
547
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to be dictated by this pain. So my brother goes,
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she seems great, let's use her. I go, absolutely not.
549
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This isn't an emotional problem. He goes, Jess, I really
550
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think that we're underestimating the emotional aspect of a trauma
551
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like this when it comes to recovery. And what was
552
00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:12.319
so fascinating is as she started to work with tapping,
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00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:16.079
practitioners and talking about her pain. What came up wasn't
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the incident. What came up was that she comes from
555
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a military family where independence is so important, and after
556
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that injury, she needed to have her mom and dad
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help her use the bathroom, help her shower. Suddenly her
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life began to shrink, and there was a lot of
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emotions around what that meant about her value as a
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person to need help from other people. And she started
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tapping on the emotional aspects and she described her pain
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going down, and by the end of the event, the
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pain was down to a one or two. We followed
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up six months later to see if it was stuck,
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and she said, I go to the movies and I
566
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don't have to ask what kind of seats there are,
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Like there's so much that I can do. That really
568
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surprised me to see that result and to see it stick.
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And I think we're beginning to figure out why that
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why that is happening. This cortisol study explains a lot
571
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because lowering cortisol lowers inflammation. Lowering your stress allows your
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body to do what it's meant to do, which is
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heal and recover. So it's not that the tapping is
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miraculous and it's causing you to heal. Is that it's
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lowering the stress, the anxiety, the pressure so that your
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body can do what it was designed to do. Tapping
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is all about safety. It's sending that safety signal. It's
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having a stressful thought that's creating a panic response and
579
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now interrupting that by stimulating these acupressure points and sending
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that safety signal. So it really is that that makes
581
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complete sense and I think that contributes to why we're
582
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seeing these results.
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Yeah, have you seen or are you aware of research?
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You know MRI studies that show any changes in the
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brain do to tapping.
586
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Yes, there was a great fMRI study. This was also
587
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again done at Bond University in Australia. So doctor Peter Stapleton,
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before she decided to start doing research on tapping, she
589
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specialized in eating disorders on the spectrum, so those who
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struggle with obesity and those who struggle with anorexia. And
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in this study she took fifty women who all qualified
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as being considered obese. They each had horrible food cravings.
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They wanted to change, they wanted to make a change,
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they couldn't. It's a craving is very physical, and so
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what she did is she put them in an fMRI
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machine and she started showing them images of the foods
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that they were craving, so the ice cream, the potato chip,
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the fries, and you see their brain lighting up. You
599
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see just the image of the craving will magnify the craving.
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It's the same reason that we have commercials where you
601
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see the burger at McDonald's dropping into the patty. Visually,
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we can create cravings by just seeing those foods, and
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so you see their brains and she has these images
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of them lighting up from this craving. Then they went
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off they did tapping. It was it was four or
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eight weeks. I think it was four weeks. So they
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did multiple sessions and the women were saying, Wow, I
608
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feel so much more in control, I feel so much
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more relaxed around food. They brought them back in the
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fm mari machine and you can see the difference as
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they started to see those exact same images. Their brains
612
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were not lighting up in the same way, and they
613
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:45.599
were also reporting that they felt more in control. So
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that also shows that tapping can change your relationship to
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a stimuli. In this case it was food for someone else,
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it might be getting over a breakup and their ex boyfriend,
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or it could be something else stressing us out. We
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can imagine that thing and begin to tap to calm
619
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our body and now our brain, our brain reacts differently
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to that stimuli.
621
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I mean that it makes a lot intuitively, it makes sense.
622
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It's interesting to hear that there is that there's some
623
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science and some data around that as well. In a moment,
624
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I'm going to ask you to sort of like walk
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me through the steps of this and and and if
626
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you're up for you even guide me through sort of
627
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like a micro session. But you just brought up some
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interesting use cases and that that's making me curious. What
629
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are some of the most common applications stress and anxiety?
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You shared, Cravings you just mentioned, which I would not
631
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have guessed. What are the other things that you see
632
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coming up where you see this being genuinely effective on
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a regular basis.
634
00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:58.760
Yeah, I'll say I'll add quickly because this came up
635
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this week. We were reviewing all of our data and
636
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surprisingly our best results were with cravings, which is wow,
637
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was surprising to me. So cravings. The other really big
638
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:13.079
one is intrusive thoughts. So we have certain tapping meditations
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that are called help me stop thinking about what I did,
640
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Help me stop thinking about what I said, those thought
641
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loops that happen at night, that is a really big one.
642
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And we have pain relief categories looking at your back pain,
643
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or your knee pain, or the headaches. And the other
644
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thing that surprised me is when we were working on
645
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our latest book, we email the list because we get
646
00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:41.360
such incredible stories all the time, and we thought, let's
647
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just ask any other great stories that we might want
648
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to put in this book. What surprised me was the
649
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hundreds of messages of people dealing with grief using tapping,
650
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saying that when they were going through the darkest moments
651
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of losing someone, when no words could comfort them, that
652
00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:05.840
tapping was the thing that helped them take a deep
653
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breath and come back into their body. So that's been
654
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my biggest surprise that that's been such a big part
655
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of how tapping has been shared and how it's used.
656
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:19.000
Yeah, I mean, I wonder what the mechanism is that
657
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I mean, I guess because of course a part of
658
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:24.719
just profound loss and grief is going to be stress
659
00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:29.519
and maybe anxiety, depending on the circumstances, but so much
660
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of what else goes on that experience, if you talk
661
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to enough people or you've experienced it yourself, is it's
662
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almost indescribable. You know. The mechanism of grief is really complex. Also,
663
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it affects literally every system in your body. I wonder
664
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what's going on there? Do you have a take?
665
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I have a theory. I think our mortality is so
666
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is impossible for us to mentally comprehend suddenly someone disappearing
667
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from our lives that was so, and not knowing where
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are they? Why? It's it's being stuck in your head
669
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with such sadness and unanswered questions, and there's no amount
670
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of words that can answer those questions, and so you
671
00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:20.000
spiral within your own thoughts, wondering what if it was different?
672
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Where are they now? What does this mean? And tapping
673
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is a way to comfort yourself in a way that
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words can't, by bringing you back to your body, and
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when you're more relaxed and more comforted. I hear people
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say I had a thought or an idea or I
677
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felt them, so I felt a sense of comfort from them.
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So my theory is that our minds cannot really comprehend grief,
679
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and there's no amount of talking that can settle us
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the way doing something physical can.
681
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I'm curious also about social anxiety. That is something that
682
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so many people experience on a regular basis, and for
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many people it really intrudes in their life. It keeps
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them from keeps them from going out and being with
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potential friends, with chosen family, from exploring job opportunities, from
686
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so many of the parts of life that are genuinely good.
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Have you seen have you seen data or outcomes in
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the context of social anxiety we're tapping is effective or useful.
689
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Yeah. Absolutely. And the reason that social anxiety exists is
690
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it comes back to a survival mechanism. Our nervous system
691
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for a moment believes that we are in danger. So
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someone might think, well, what does that mean, I'm not
693
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really in danger hanging out with these people. Well, our ancestors.
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We survive by being part of a tribe. So if
695
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you we're rejected, then you were likely not going to survive.
696
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So acceptance and wanting to be accepted is part of
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our survival of wanting to be wanting to live. Now
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our world has changed drastically, we're not in a small tribe.
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We're in the Internet, we're meeting new people. It's expanded,
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but that primal part of us sees that and goes danger.
701
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Something wrong could happen. So what you have to do
702
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with the tapping is going back to safety, is send
703
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that safety signal to say I am safe to meet
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these people, to talk for things, safe when things don't
705
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go well, safe when things do go well. Because there's
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no crystal ball that's going to give you certainty that
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a social engagement is going to be okay. But if
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you feel strong within yourself and you feel safe, you're
709
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willing to take that risk knowing that your life really
710
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isn't in danger, so your body doesn't have to react
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with such intensity.
712
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Okay, So this brings up another question immediately in my mind.
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Let's say you're in a social situation or you're like
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you're you know, it's a fifteen minute walk or a
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ten minute walk, you know, to a friend's house, or
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you're on a subway, like going to a dinner party,
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and you would love for you you would love to
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feel good at that party. You're kind of surrounded by people, though,
719
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and you want to do this whole tapping thing. Is
720
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there any kind of covert way.
721
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To do this, Well, I'll start by saying do it
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at home first, because you can be prevent You could
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be preventative before the stress really hits. If you are
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scared of social engagement, if you're scared of speaking in public,
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if you're scared of flying. You can feel stressed alone
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in your bed at ten o'clock thinking about it. You
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don't actually have to be there to be triggered by it.
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So use the ability for us to imagine things so
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vividly that we we stress ourselves out to your advantage
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by thinking about the situation and tapping, just thinking about
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maybe worst case, feeling awkward, doing some tapping. As you
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start to relax, you can start to say more positive
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things like I'm centered and calm, I speak clearly, this
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doesn't really matter, this is not a big deal, I
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am safe. Whatever feels like it lands for you. But
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you have to first do the tapping on the fear
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and where you are before you move to something positive,
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because you need to train your brain that you're safe.
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Even if you think that could happen, you're safe, and
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then you could move to something more empowering.
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Do you have to say the statements out loud or
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can you think them.
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You can think them. But also when you're saying something,
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it's just a more active state to help you focus
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on how you're really feeling. But you can say it
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in your own mind or you can say it out loud.
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And I think it's about figuring out what feels the easiest,
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because if you're saying it out loud and you're uncomfortable,
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you think, God, yeah, don't do it. Say it in
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your own mind. And to answer your question of doing
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it before a party, you can just tap on the
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collarbone point. You can even press and hold to stimulate
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the point too if you don't want to do the tapping,
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but you don't have to do the nine points. I'm
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going to teach everyone the nine points. And what I
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love about this is that when you have these points,
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you have it for the rest of your life. You
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know where they are. So you get rear ended and
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you're suddenly in a panic, you're not going to do
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a tapping meditation, But when you're talking to the cop
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explaining what happened, you could really gently be tapping on
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your collar bone point to just comfort yourself and to
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get those words out.
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So it's sort of like, if you have the ability
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to do all nine, that's optimal, but if you don't
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for some reason, you'll still get some benefit even with
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a narrower number of locations.
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Exactly.
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Okay, let's do this because I'm sure people like you
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you're still with us, and I hope you are. Then
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you're probably curious, like.
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What is it?
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Like really what is this? So maybe walk me through
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just like an overview, and then let's let's do a
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little mini session together so people really understand what this
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I'll show you where the nine points are and I'll
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describe them well. So for those who are listening and
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you're just simply listening, if you're on a walk right
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now and you hear me talk about this, just tap
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tap along with me. So the first point is on
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the side of the hand, and it's underneath your pinky
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on the fleshy part. It does not matter what side
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of the body you tap on. Okay, So the meridian
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lines go down both sides, so it's underneath the pinky.
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This is where we start. The next point is the
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eyebrow point, and it's where the hair of your eyebrow begins. Okay, perfect,
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Now follow the hair of your eyebrow until you find
819
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yourself on the side of the eye, right on the bone. Perfect.
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Then we have underneath the eye on the bone, and.
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We're really just taking is it like the first two fingers?
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Two fingers, and it's just a firm tap. It should
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not hurt, but you should feel it like kind of
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tapping on a table. Underneath the nose, between the upper
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lip and the nose, underneath the mouth, the crease between
826
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the chin and the bottom lip, your collarbone point. If
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you feel your collarbone point, it's down an inch on
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either side. Then you have and if you're really not
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sure about the color one point I tell people just
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use your whole hand and you can tap on your
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chest and you're gonna head it. The next point is
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underneath your arm and it's a hand with from your armpit.
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For women, it tends to be where your bra strap lies.
834
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And then the last part point is on the crown
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of your head. So when we're tapping, and we're gonna
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give everybody an experience so they can really see what
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this is like, you start on the side of the hand.
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That's called the setup statement. It sets you up for
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the process. Then you rotate through these eight points. And
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as I said before, in the future, if you don't
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remember these points like I did the second time I
842
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did tapping when I was trying not to cry so loud,
843
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I only knew half of them and I still felt
844
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the results. So the best thing to do is, like
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wen in doubt, just try and just tap. So with that, Jonathan,
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should we have an experience? Okay? Perfect, So we're going
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to keep this short, so I hope we move the
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needle a little bit. But just to let you guys know,
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we're not going to be doing this for ten minutes.
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My intention is for everyone to have a bit of
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an experience.
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So and for everyone joining us, by the way, like
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join in, yeah, join in, yes, I mean obviously if
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you're like if you're not driving or operating heavy machinery perfect.
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So let's take a moment and just check in with
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00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:29.559
how we're feeling, and we're going to focus on something
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general so it fits the most amount of people. But
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think about any stress or tension you're feeling, your to
859
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do list, the responsibilities you have, and when you think
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about everything that you have going on in your life
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and you notice that stress, just ask yourself how strong
862
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is that stress? From zero to ten, ten being incredibly strong,
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zero feeling at ease. There's no perfect number. This is
864
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just for you. Just give your stress a number perfect.
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So we're going to start tapping on the side of
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the hand and you can repeat out loud, or you
867
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can just repeat within your own mind. So on the
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side of the hand, even though I'm feeling all of
869
00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:32.679
the stress, it's safe for my body to relax one
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more time. On the side of the hand. Even though
871
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I have so much going on and I'm being pulled
872
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in so many directions, I acknowledge how I feel. We're
873
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going to tap on the eyebrow point. We are going
874
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to give a voice to this feeling. So simply repeat
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all of this pressure side of the eye, all of
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this responsibility under the eye being pulled in so many
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directions under the nose. I acknowledge what I'm going through
878
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under the mouth. I recognize this stress collar bone, all
879
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of this pressure under the arm, all of these responsibilities
880
00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:12.559
top of the head. I've been so hard on myself eyebrow.
881
00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:19.280
Part of me believes side of the eye that I
882
00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:27.199
need this stress under the eye, that it's just part
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00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:36.599
of life under the nose. But what if that wasn't
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00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:45.239
true under the mouth. What if it's safe to relax
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00:51:50.320 --> 00:52:01.280
collar bone, even before everything is done under the arm.
886
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It's safe for my body and my mind to take
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a break top of the head. I am safe and
888
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I am finding my way, all right, take a deep
889
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breath in next hell. So, for many of you, congratulations
890
00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:45.920
you've experienced your first two tapping rounds, and Jonathan a
891
00:52:46.039 --> 00:52:49.400
very quick experience. But how did that feel for you?
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00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:58.920
It felt useful, calming that It's interesting I noticed, and
893
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sort of like the second round through, before you you
894
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said I am safe, you started with a question like
895
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what if? Basically like what if I was safe? Like
896
00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:15.360
so like almost giving your my brain a chance to
897
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:18.519
like instead of immediately rejecting and saying but I'm not.
898
00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:22.199
It was like it planted the question. We're like, well,
899
00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:25.480
what if it just kind of I felt this sense
900
00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:27.239
of like it opened me a little bit to the
901
00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:29.679
possibility before I then made the segment that says I
902
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am safe. Was intentional?
903
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:35.079
It is it. It's intentional because when we say things
904
00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:38.679
like maybe maybe it's okay to relax, or what if
905
00:53:38.679 --> 00:53:41.639
it's okay to relax, it's an easy way. We don't
906
00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:45.280
want to like force feed ourselves relaxation. We want ourselves
907
00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:49.239
to be able to land there naturally. This is why
908
00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:52.639
this is such. It's a beautiful combination of these ancient
909
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:57.599
Chinese acupressure points and modern psychology of realizing that it's
910
00:53:57.719 --> 00:54:01.440
within the accepting and the question sting that we begin
911
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to move towards relief.
912
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Yeah.
913
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No, really cool.
914
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So a couple of questions just to follow up on this.
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If I if this wasn't actual, If I was like
916
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at home and I was kind of stretching about something
917
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or feeling something or trying it, or maybe I was
918
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preparing for a talk and I was nervous, how long
919
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would I actually how long would an actual full session be?
920
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That's like the million dollar question that I always get
921
00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:30.679
asked that I wish I had an answer, but everybody
922
00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:34.559
is so different. So when we do tapping meditations, we
923
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do fifteen minutes because or under fifteen minutes because we
924
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feel like for most people that's an easy thing to
925
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say yes to. A lot of times they're five minutes.
926
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Because some tapping is better than no tapping if you're
927
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doing it by yourself, I would say giving yourself ten
928
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to fifteen minutes and taking breaks like being able to
929
00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:57.440
start and go. I am enraged with this person. I
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00:54:57.440 --> 00:54:59.679
am going to tap, and I'm going to pretend I'm
931
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speaking to a friend and I'm going to tell them
932
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why they wronged me all or literally call your friend.
933
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You're already going to tell them the story, but tap
934
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on these points while you're talking about it. I do
935
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this with my kids all the time. They'll come to
936
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me crying over something that happened, and I'll be like, okay,
937
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you can tell me everything that happened, but is it
938
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okay if I tap while you tell me. And they
939
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go yeah, and I start to tap, and they said,
940
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then they did this and I told them not to.
941
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And I could see like as they are talking about it,
942
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they're one acknowledging how they're feel and they're sending a
943
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calming signal saying that they're safe, and so I see
944
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their whole body begin to relax as they tell me
945
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the story. So it really is about knowing the points,
946
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allow yourself to be upset, to simply talk about it,
947
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and then only move towards the maybe statements or how
948
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you want to feel if it feels true, if you're
949
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rejecting it, if you're saying I am enough in your
950
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whole bodies going no, you're moving too fast to the positive,
951
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or you can experience, you know, a tap meditation and
952
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be led through it.
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Yeah, it's funny as you're describing that. Also, people often
954
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ask me about meditation, and I'm a huge advocate of meditation.
955
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It's been a big part of my life for many, many,
956
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many years, and I almost always invite people if they've
957
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never done it before, rather than just sort of like
958
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trying to sit quietly and do the thing themselves, find
959
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just a couple of guided versions, you know, find voices
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that you like, find just approaches and durations that just
961
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kind of work for you, and let yourself be guided
962
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sort of in the beginning days, especially until you start
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to really feel comfortable and you have the language yourself
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and then slowly experiment with moving out and just doing
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it completely on your own. Would you take a similar approach?
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I wish I said exactly that answer. I'm going to
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steal that from my next podcast.
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That's exactly it awesome And for those listening of just
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mentioned it very early in a conversation, but they've created
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an app with how many meditations our sessions are on
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the now.
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I think we're at seven hundred.
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Right, So there's I mean, this is a great place
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to start. It's a fantastic resource. And I guess one
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final curiosity here too. You've been doing this for closing
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in on two decades now, started as a total skeptic,
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didn't expect this in your life, experience it and something
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and you said, this has to be a part of
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what I'm doing. Not only you, but like your family,
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your siblings. Why does this matter so much to you?
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That's such a beautiful question, I feel really deeply. I
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think the people who are attracted to this kind of
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work are people who feel deeply and I know what
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it feels like to not feel at home in your body,
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to feel lost, and tapping gave me control again. It
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helped me begin to question the voices in my head
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that we're saying that I was not good enough or
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that I wasn't going to amount to anything. And it's
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so important to me to share because so often we
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are living a lie. We are believing that we're not
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good enough, and we're collecting evidence to prove ourselves right.
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And the moment we let go of the stress and
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we connect with that silent part within, we start to
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doubt those negative thoughts and realize that we're so much
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more powerful than we ever expected, and that creates that
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ripple effect. So I think I'm a very long way
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to answer this, but I will try to condense it
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by saying, when you feel deeply and you felt such pain,
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when you feel relief, you can't help but to want
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to share it with.
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Everybody feels a good place for us to come full
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circle as well. So in this container of a good
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life project, if I offer up the phrase to live
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a good life, what comes up.
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To live a good life is to care about the
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people who love you and only care for their opinions.
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To live a good life is to not be dictated
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by the world around you, but to have a core
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group of people that you love and that love you.
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Thank you. So let's talk about some of the big
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AHAs and actionable takeaways from this combo. One thing that
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I'm really kind of noodling on is something that Jessica
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said early on, almost as a throwaway, but it.
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Stayed with me.
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Your nervous system does not care if you reach your goals.
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It cares about survival. And when we understand that, a
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lot of things that kind of click into place. Why
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logic doesn't touch the physical anxiety, Why your enough can
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make your body tense instead of relax, and while you
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can know something is safe and still feel panicked. Three
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things from this conversation that I also want you to
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carry with you the quote reading before planting idea. You
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cannot skip over the hard feeling to get to the relief.
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You have to let the body acknowledge what it's actually
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holding first. That's what the setup statement does and tapping,
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and it's why it works, you know, when positive affirmations
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alone don't. The second is memory reconsolidation. It turns out
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when you open a memory and your body sends a
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safety signal at the same time the memory, it just
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saves down differently. That has applications not just for tapping,
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but for how you approach any hard thing from your past.
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And then that forty three percent number one session measurable
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cortisol reduction peer reviewed study that Jessica shared, that's not
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just a claim. That sounds like a science backed biomarket
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to me. I'll be exploring that in More Death myself.
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Notice this week, where your body is ahead of your thinking,
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where you tense before you've decided to that gap is
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where this work lives.
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And hey, before you leave.
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Next week, we're sitting down with an old friend, Lisa Peterson,
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to talk about why the quiet question am I actually behind?
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With money?
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What is enough?
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Never goes away no matter how many articles you've read
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or podcasts you've listened to, and what it actually takes
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to resolve it at the level that it lives. Be
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sure to follow a Good Light Project wherever you get
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01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:24.719
your podcasts so you don't miss that or any other
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upcoming episodes, and do me a quick favor share this
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with just one person. This episode of Good Light Project
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was produced by executive producers Linda Fox and me Jonathan Fields,
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editing helped by Troy Young Chris Carter crafted Earth theme
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music and of course if you haven't already, please go
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ahead and follow us wherever you get your podcasts so
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you never miss a conversation until next time. I'm Jonathan
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Fields signing off for a Good Life project.
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