FKN Classics Double! Dave Zed - Beyond Classified | Vicki Joy Anderson - Digital Demons

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Enjoy these back to back classic Forbidden Knowledge News episodes. Today,
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I want to welcome back to the show, Dave z.
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He is founder of Salt LLC, a company focused on
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providing solutions to various elements of consciousness zero point energy, propulsion,
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medical benefits, and much more. Salt provides its services to
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all facets of variety of industries in an attempt to
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bring some of the hidden and suppressed sciences out to
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the masses, in an effort to benevolently elevate those willing
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to collectively realize that we are stronger in numbers, not
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as individuals. He is also host and founder of the
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Generation z podcast, a show covering a multitude of topics
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ranging from military intelligence to paranormal occurrences relative to the
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potential and even perhaps direct relations such may indeed have
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among a plethora of other topics pursued on his channel,
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Dave welcome back. How you doing.
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I'm doing great, man, Thank you so very much for
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having me. I really appreciate it. And as we discussed
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before we started recording, thanks for being patient in the rescheduling.
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I appreciate it very much, of.
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Course, man, I get it. You're busy man, working on
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very important things like we were discussing, and this is
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gonna be great. Man. You're working on some incredible scientific
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and technological discoveries. You're finding from anti gravity, yes, anti gravity,
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to possible cancer cures and even classified information about how
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to die properly.
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Now.
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I can't wait to get into some of this stuff.
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I want to get to as much as possible in
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the time we have. So you're doing some incredible work.
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I hope to get to as much to today as possible.
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But before we do, remind the audience a little bit
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about yourself and how did you get involved with some
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of this research.
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Sure, so, first off, if if you and your audience
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don't mind, I'll probably take two or three minutes to
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lay down exactly what happened here. And I appreciate that
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we're doing this because you're probably one of the one
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of the last shows that I'll probably be explaining this
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to because I've done a handful of other interviews for
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over the last six months where I don't mean to
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keep repeating myself, but basically, what happened was that a
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few years ago, as of this point, probably two two
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and a half years ago, I started, of course, the
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Generations a podcast without any intention of going into the
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high strangeness UAP even what some people have called, you know,
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conspiracy quote unquote realm. What ended up happening was I
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began diving into the concept of not necessarily pursuing one
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angle of things, but sort of just keeping an exploration
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and open mind of different ideological pursuits with the podcast,
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and as about a year and a half ago, but
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a year year and a half ago this time closer
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to about eighteen months. At this point, there came a
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point where I, to be clear, just a high school degree,
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nothing more. I said to myself, I've been recording and
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speaking about this anti gravity, this potential you know, ether technology,
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whether some people call it, you know, tesla tech, things
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like this, And what ended up happening was I said
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to myself, after doing tons and tons of research, both
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for the show and privately, I said, why don't I
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just try and build something myself and see what happens.
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So what I did was basically, for with a couple
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thousand dollars, as I've said before, some things from the
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local hardware shop and some things ordered off of Amazon,
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with very strategic geometrical placement with certain what I call
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them generators. I built three of them initially. Basically, what
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I was able to do was, for lack of a
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better description, and I don't like to call it this
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because of what I now know this to be in
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various areas, but produced anti gravity essentially and then got
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a couple I guess you could say, things to levitate,
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and then also got them to not just levitate but
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also propagate propagate, meaning it literally just immediate instant inertia essentially.
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And so I'd initially thought that it was a total,
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you know, fluke in terms of maybe it was the wind.
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I was testing it outside, I brought it inside at
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the place of where I was staying at the time,
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and it turned out that it worked as well. Not
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only that, but this is when it started to get interesting,
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because this is when I was quiet for months on
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end after this happened. Essentially, I was about forty minutes
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away where I was at the time in Canada from
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a military base. There were some I started to be surveiled,
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and it started to become pretty apparent that I was
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being surveilled because the town I was in was a
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very low populated town. It was not in a city,
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you know, you could start to notice, especially more open
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land if there's you know, a truck down the road
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or something like this. You start to pick these things out.
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Eventually a knock on the door came. But in the
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midst of all that, I was also getting emailed from
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people out of DARPA, people out of people out of
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MI T people out of the Pentagon Department of Defense,
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out of nowhere. Just some people saying, hey, we like
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your show. Other people saying, you know, we heard you're
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into certain things. But all of this, these emails started
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coming after I had turned on this device, and what
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I then needed to realize later was that it set
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off a sort of we could say, a ripple in
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what you would call the vacuum or the ether, what
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people call empty space. So they're monitoring this, right, it's honestly, truthfully,
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it's probably it's possible. Yeah, But the what I do
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say to that is that, and I don't mean this
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in a negative way, but everyone's being monitored. The question
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is to just what extent are some over others being
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Right now, what ended up? And that's that's I don't
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say that with pride, by the way, So what ended
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up happening, was got a knock on the door. Took many,
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many months to sort of do my best to strategically
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place my self in a position where what I can
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say is based on my knowledge and experience, which is
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what only I can speak to. We're living in an
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interesting time in the sense that if this were even
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ten twenty years ago, I either would have been attempted
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to be silenced in multiple forms, some monetary, some perhaps
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more physically forceful. There's a window where it seems as
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though that's not so much the case now. That doesn't
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mean that the suppression and all that is gone, not
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at all. But I was able to position myself where
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I was able to get in front of the right
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people at the Department of Defense, made multiple presentations to
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multiple different departments, did some white papers for various institutes
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that are connected to DoD and certain departments of DoD directly,
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and then basically was given the opportunity to scale up
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what I had built at home in an actual laboratory
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with actual measuring instruments and all of that. And then
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basically it ended up war working as well in the laboratory.
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And then I started exploring a few different methods and
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ways of tapping this energy. Now, the energy as you
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can call it, anti gravity, zero point energy. You can
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call it the Tesla tech, the ether technology, the super force,
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whatever you want to call it. It is of my
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opinion that basically what we're doing is we're accessing. We
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are finding multiple paths to access the same underlying energy.
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Some of it is via what we call nuclear fusion
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and fission, some of it is electromagnetically, some of it
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is a bit of what I mentioned in combination with
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liquids and things like that. So what I did, essentially
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to sort of put the icing on the cake of
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my story here is I was very fortunate enough, with
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the assistance of some outside and inside of government both
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to set up my own contracting and consulting firm so
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that I don't have to work under anyone else, and
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essentially I ndad myself. And I'll explain in a moment
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why I did that and all that. But I started
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a company called SALT SAAALT it stands for Strategic Analysis
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and Assessment of Longitudinal Technologies and basically spent the rest
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of the time being mentored by some on the inside.
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In addition to hours and hours of self teaching basically
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interdisciplinary between electrical engineering, chemistry, optics, quantum physics. So SALT
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specializes in biophysics, propulsion, and various fields of consciousness, specifically
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which is where the learning how to die thing came
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into place, and we can touch on that.
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If you like.
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So essentially, with all that said, what I did was
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there's no way that I wouldn't end up either doing
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time in jail or perhaps worse if I was not
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careful at the very least. And the reason and I
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don't want what I want to make clear is that
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I'm not try What I'm about to say here is
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not to defend any world government or let alone the
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DoD or anything like that. But when one taps what's
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called anti gravity, the reason for such sensitivity is it's
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not just like, oh, we now have abundant or unlimited
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energy in a propulsion sense. When you tap anti gravity,
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it doesn't take much for an individual to notice with
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the right mind that you can take that same application
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of how you tapped anti gravity or what we call
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anti gravity, and then also apply it to telekinesis to
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literally stargates or portals. So what I'm saying is the
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same method in approach for tapping anti gravity is the
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same method in approach for tapping all these other things.
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And this is when it becomes controversial immensely because once
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the genie is out of the bottle, there's no going back.
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And so I will say here on the interview I've
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threatened multiple times physically and otherwise. Doesn't really get to
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me anymore. But at the same time, I was also smarter.
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I mean, I hope I'm smart enough to say that
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if I wanted to play this sort of long term
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chess game for the benevolency and for the sake of
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bringing this stuff out, I at least for the time being,
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had to essentially draw a line with respects to what
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I can say publicly and what I can't say. I've
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been ripped on for that. That's totally fine. It doesn't
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bother me because and I don't say this towards you,
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but in general, the things that certain things that I've
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seen in the laboratory, now that when I do experiments,
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certain things I've seen when I'm traveling consulting for whether
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it's world governments or private institutions, it's to a small
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degree I understand why some of this was concealed. With
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that said, I don't believe that reason to keep this
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permanently locked up. I believe the public has a right
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to know. But it's a tough game or balance of
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trying to bring this stuff out while still, you know,
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trying to attain certain access access points to certain we
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could say areas of various groups, let's call them. So
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I'm trying to weave my way in and out of
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this the system, so to speak, with a handful of
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others assisting me around them essentially around the world, in
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an attempt to bring.
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The ceut basically.
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So that's that's bringing the story full circle. I just
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recently have come out with a technical paper that will
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be put in a journal later this year. Most of
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my day is spent on if it's not in the lab,
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it's it's just traveling but doing white papers, equations, all
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that kind of stuff. And then there's days where it's
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more practical in the lab, which labs. There's labs I've
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been to in the mainly in the south of the
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United States. I'll just leave it at that.
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So so, yeah, man, this is incredible.
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Go ahead.
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Sure, one thing I could if I could say, first off,
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thank you. One thing I would like to say, however,
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is that a lot there is unfortunately a very strong
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military intelligence presence to all of this. With respects to
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dissuading people, with respects to playing mind games, I will
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say unfortunately, But I also fortunately in the sense that
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I have no hesitancy in saying this, which is that
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there are certain individuals both in the West and around
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the world, but largely I would say in the West
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that literally are some of the smartest people out there.
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But they're the same individuals that call BS on not
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just UFO's UAP, but on any type of high strangeness experience,
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let alone even just thinking outside of the box type science.
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The same ones calling bs on it are the same
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ones in their technical papers where if one understood their equations,
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they're the same ones saying that it'll work. So what
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we're seeing here is a very strong psychological system or
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apparatus that's been in place for many decades now, where
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for example, the last thing I wanted to be was
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in a position where I tap this stuff, got a
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knock on the door just by turning the thing on,
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and then all of a sudden it becomes imagine that
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you have me on and I say, no, no, man,
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there's no there's nothing to this, no note at all.
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But then on the other hand, a week later I
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come out with a paper full of equations that explain
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the equations. The same thing I said doesn't work will work.
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So this is where that I will say. I will
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be the first to say, hopefully that there is a
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strong military intelligence presence inside academia of course, the establishment media,
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all that kind of stuff. So that's something that I'm
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genuinely trying to change with SALT. It's a long term
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objective to try and benevolently reorient some of the different
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we could say areas of both private and government groups
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to sort of create this this to bring this stuff
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out basically essentially.
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Right, you are up against the beast with this stuff.
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Now you tell you go ahead.
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There are people.
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Sorry, I could tell you that there are It's not
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just me. I want to be very clear. I would
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not have the confidence I do if it was just me.
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Just yeah, clear.
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I know a lot of people think, well, it's there's
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been so many syops for so long and so many
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cover ups that what makes this time any different. Very strongly,
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I would say that's a very fair point and very
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understandable to think that I will say right now that
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I'm trying and if it doesn't work, then shame on me.
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But at least I gave it a shot.
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Well, along those same lines, you said that in the
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past you would have probably had to worry more about
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the consequences of this, especially being silenced in various different ways,
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and that has changed now in modern times. First of all,
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why do you think that has changed? And secondly, you
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said you are being threatened on some levels. Can you
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disclose anything about that?
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Well, in terms of the threats were far more direct initially,
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say a year a year and a half ago. Nowadays
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it's far more just kind of like, hey, we're looking
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over your shoulder, just watch your back. I can tell
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you that there was a scenario where there was an
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attempt to have they got the wrong house, but someone
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tried to take basically, someone tried to take a picture
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of a house that they thought was mine in an
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attempt to intimidate, to sort of say, just with a picture,
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nothing more, nothing less, just a way of saying, we
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know where you live. Well, here's the thing, it was
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the wrong house. I don't have one place in which
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I stay. As many of you know that if you
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just check out even the public side of my show,
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I'm always jumping around. My backgrounds are always changing. So
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it's also part of the nature of what I do
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now with SALT and the consulting that I do. I'm
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very much on the move these days. So in terms
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of a threat, that would be one example. This is
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not anything in my opinion, it's not anything government directly
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at least.
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It's more you're.
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Gonna have private contractors that kind of pull that stuff.
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There are people that with respects to your question of
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why would it be a little bit different now than before,
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I am of a very firm belief, both with private
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experiences in addition to speaking to certain people in which
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I will say I don't necessarily trust as much as
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I trust that they're in it for themselves. If we
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think of a grander macroscopic picture of an event, let's say,
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or some type of singularity event as people have spoken of,
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or a poll flip or something like this, I am
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of the very strong and humble opinion and belief that,
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as they say as above so below, if there's gonna
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be bad influences, there will also be good ones that
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do not have as much power as the bad Let's
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just say the bad guy, so to speak. And even
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that's you know, good and bad subjective relative to one,
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you know, perspective and intent. But I do firmly believe
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there is an opening or a window of sorts where
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some of this in fact can and should come out.
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And it is of my understanding that there are a
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handful of individuals, albeit not a lot, but a handful
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of individuals deep down on the inside of multiple world
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governments that are saying the lies have gone on for
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too long.
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Does that mean their intents are pure? Absolutely not. But
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at the same time, it's it's again, you gotta sometimes
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you got to take the shit sandwich for what it
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is and then improve it after after the fact. And
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that's also what I'm trying to work on as well. Right,
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So I'm not gonna sit here. I'm not gonna sit
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here and say, brother, oh, you know, everything's all nice
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now and everything's gonna be great. No, But at the
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same time, is there a window?
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I believe so, well, my hat's off to you for
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attempting all of this and doing the word that you're doing.
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It's pretty incredible. Are you concerned at all about the
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possibilities of this being weaponized by any of these entities?
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This is well, I appreciate the question a ton because
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this is one of the So let me say that
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the first generator that I had built that was functional
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with about fifteen twenty minutes worth of adjustments, and then
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turning it horizontally instead of vertically, you have a coil
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gun or a rail gun, and also a miniature EMP
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pulser as well. So this is why I say, very carefully,
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I understand why some of it's concealed, but at the
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same time, I don't necessarily agree with the ones concealing
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it with respects to their intents. I don't think that
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because there's a possibility of weaponization, all this.
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Stuff has to stay secret.
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No, But it's a tough balance, it really is, because again,
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if not for anything, but if there's issues, would tear
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us out there trying to get their hands on nukes. Now,
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we can have the argument about what's really behind even that,
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to be fair, but let's just say if we take
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that surface level story for what it is, you're gonna
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have a whole other problem. Brother, It'll make nukes look
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like firecrackers if people get a hold of this stuff.
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So that's and.
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I've said publicly before, it is of my opinion that
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anywhere from forty to seventy percent of people have in
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their homes the necessary materials to at least develop a
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table top proof of concept version of this, which is
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why it's so I guess you could say scary in
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a certain regard. One example of this would be for
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those that are familiar. Great guy sometimes I'm hesitant to
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say his name, but he puts himself out there anyway.
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So the doctor Parkenstein kid the gentleman with them, he
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built that magnifying transmitter in his backyard that is one
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form of what you'd call free abundant wireless energy transmission
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in which he was again had to I don't want
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to speak for him, so he had to sort of
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settle down with that, let's call it. But the point
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is is that that would be one example of a
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backyard experiment where with some beer bottles, with a lot
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of copper, some wood, some dishes from his kitchen, things
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like this for a dish from a trash. Can you
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can do you can do some You can have some fun.
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Now could he have easily weaponized it. Absolutely, but he
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did a beautiful thing and used it during the pandemic
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before he got shut down as his TikTok video was
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going viral then it got removed. He used it to
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help give people unlimited free power during COVID when they
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couldn't pay their bills, and he was doing it across
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the US. He just said, Hey, anyone that you know,
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anyone in the US too, You basically need to get
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a copper coil or you know, copper wire, and you
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have to coil it around something basically and then ground
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it and then tune meet certain conditions let's say, will
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then allow the energy to be received and then power
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the home infinitely. And he was doing it.
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So this all.
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Goes back to what I mean when I say that
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he with some small adjustments, it is of my opinion
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he could have induced the form of what people would
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call anti gravity right there. Perhaps he knows of it,
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perhaps he doesn't, but I don't want to speak for him.
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But for those looking for an example, instead of me
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just being all talk, that would be an example.
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Right on now, to the best of your ability, and
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based on whatever you can say, can you describe the
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element of energy that you've harnessed, that you're working with,
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how it works, and what you've actually constructed.
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Sure, so it's basically I've I can say that I have.
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In fact, at this point, I've filed a few patents
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that have been in there for a while. Now I'm
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trying to get them publicly available where perhaps I'll do
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a video on my channel, or maybe I'll make the
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rounds again and do a breakdown of what the patents
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entail and all of this. But essentially it is basically
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an advanced form of cold fusion, for lack of a
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better term, what people say, it's more like room temperature fusion.
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It's not even it's not even any.
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Let's just say that you get far more coming out
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of the device than what you put in, so you
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get what's called cop coefficient of performance over one, which
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is also a term which is used over unity. There
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are a few different things that have and can be done,
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so let me try and see. It's not a lot
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of people are focused on when they talk about, you know, craft,
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what is the craft made out of or this or that.
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I respectfully would advise people to look into the area
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of not so much what the craft is made out of.
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But what is the craft inducing frequentially and vibrationally in
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correspondence with the material to enable an effect. So what
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I mean by that is I would dare to say
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that in some cases, not all, because then we have superconductors,
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but in some cases the same you can make the
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popcorn bowl in your kitchen levitate and propagate with the
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right conditions being met electrically and magnetically. So basically I
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had come across seven different versions or forms that would
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tap this type of energy, whether it is via the
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form of what people know to be cold fusion. But
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not only that, but there are other forms in which
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you can also use electricity and magnetism to induce another
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form of what people would call cold fusion or room
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temperature fusion or you name it. Basically harnessing creating a
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miniature star. Basically, there are other forms that could be
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done with liquids. There are other things that could be
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done with radio frequencies and what we would call magneto
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acoustic induction essentially, and all of this is basically harnessing
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what is all around us in what we call empty space.
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But I would dare to say is more real than
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anything we call physical because it's filled with the possibility
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of literal electromagnetic potentials. If we think of a surfer
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riding a wave on water. Basically what this device does
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is it emits or propagates in the direction you point it,
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a push pull effect on both space and time. Essentially,
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it's not as so it does not break any of
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the known laws of physics. And I will say as
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well that when scientists come out and say, well, it does,
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and then you have another group that will say, no,
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it doesn't. We just haven't expanded our knowledge of physics
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that far. I would go with the personal side of
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we just haven't expanded our knowledge of physics that far.
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I know this because when I presented to various departments
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at the DoD, basically that's how I got into opening
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salt and all of that, because it was basically like, okay,
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you know what you're talking about. I looked at them too,
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I said, guys, don't bullshit me. So basically it was
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one of those things. So I don't mean sorry, I
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don't mean to dodge. I'm trying to reveal as much
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as I can about what they're made out of. But basically,
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various forms of liquids, various forms of different types of magnets,
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in particular geometrical arrangements, various types of copper tungsten. Basically,
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it is I agree with doctor Salvatore Paez when he
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says that it is not necessarily new physics so much
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as it is a new perspective on old physics. Another
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thing that I did for you and your audience to
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give some insight is I basically went about a year
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ago to look into the various papers of the seventeen
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and eighteen hundreds, but not what someone wrote about the papers,
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at the actual papers themselves, the actual literature we have
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to go back to look for, which will not be
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found on Google. You have to go back to look
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for the actual papers written by the people themselves, because
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a lot of I mean, dare I say? The one
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thing I will say is that for those that think
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or those that ask, is they're a grand conspiracy of
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sorts in terms of over the last couple hundred years,
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academia and military intelligence suppressing certain angles of science. One
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billion percent is my opinion. Yeah, without a doubt. And
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they've done it. The people that have cracked it have been,
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like I've said, previously silenced either monetarily, and if will
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not accept that worse.
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So now this this energy, this form of energy, would
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you say it's a new state of matter, and you
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were saying earlier this is connected to things like telekinesis
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and PSI phenomenon, Would you say that that it's something
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along those lines.
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Sure, I don't, I would say, respectfully, I don't know
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if I would call it a new form of matter.
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Perhaps when we say that it's it's more so tapping
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something that was always right in front of us that
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are academic academic.
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Community, just to our understanding at least.
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Right right, Okay, So in that case, then yes, it
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is simply basically, what it's doing is it's taking Einstein's
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general relativity and completing it. It completes general relativity, and
491
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by completing that, it throws special relativity out the windows.
492
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So general relativity is not wrong, it's just missing something.
493
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There's a missing key. So what we have is we
494
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have the four known forces. We have the strong nuclear force,
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the weak nuclear force. We then have electromagnetism, and we
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have gravity. Those are four different things. There has yet
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to be publicly a unification of such because if you
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if you could unify them, then you would have what's
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called a unified a field theory, which is a fancy
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way of saying, we know how our life works, how
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our reality works. There is a fifth There is a
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fifth component that taps and unites the other four. It's
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been dare I say, not necessarily hidden. It's been hidden
504
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so well by being put literally in plain sight. And
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I know that that's a cliches line that people have
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said for years now, but I've said it to other
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engineers and physicists when I've spoken to them privately for consulting.
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It's literally like you look at and you go, what
509
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the hell it's that? And then you you you build,
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and then you scale it from there, whether in the
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equations or in the lab, and it's like, holy crap,
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it is that. So it's one of those my gosh moments,
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and it's within our known laws of physics, right on? Man? Sorry,
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did I I didn't mean to stray? Did I answer
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the question? My bad? Yeah?
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No, that that's that's uh, that's perfect. And I just
517
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wanted to expand on that a little bit. Whenever you're
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saying earlier that this this form of energy is also
519
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connected to what we would consider as PSI phenomenon, tellicans
520
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and other forms parent normal activity.
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00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:06.359
Right, yes, my apologies, okay, perfect. So the direct connection
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there is the same energy that is used to deploy
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or propagate from what we would call gravity control cells
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from a craft, of which there are many different kinds.
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There are ones with no moving parts, there are ones
526
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with moving parts of it of both. There's no necessarily
527
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right or wrong way of doing this stuff. That's what
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00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:27.519
I love about this work. Once you tap it, the
529
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more creative you are, the more fun it gets. Now
530
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it's basically a very, for lack of a better description,
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a lightened version of what comes out from a gravity cell,
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except it is more in frequency with a lower density
533
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that will not emit essentially X rays and gamma rays
534
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that will give us radiation poisoning and sickness. This energy
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taps that same set of what we could call electromagnetic
536
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waves in the ether, in which, just like a surfer
537
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riding water, these waves by definition and travel at light speed.
538
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And so this is why a lot of times when
539
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we see a craft immediately zooming off with instant inertia,
540
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or we see, for example, with those focused in remote
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viewing or those focused in some other areas of psychology,
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they'll say that the thought transmission was immediate because by definition,
543
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it travels at the speed of light, or at the
544
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speed in which light propagates, which is a particular number
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that I don't recall off the top of my head.
546
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But yeah, that's the reason why the cubits, the quantum bits,
547
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the information packets like a surfer riding a wave ride
548
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specific waves in which this fifth force activates within what
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we call the ether or empty space.
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Basically incredible, man, Now, would you be able to disclose
551
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anything about what salt LLC will be doing in the future,
552
00:30:50.839 --> 00:30:54.039
some of the developments that could possibly come out of
553
00:30:54.079 --> 00:30:55.079
the work that you're doing.
554
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Sure, well, right now, I can tell you that we've
555
00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:01.480
already really gone off to the races in terms of
556
00:31:01.960 --> 00:31:03.559
trying to bring a lot of this stuff out. But
557
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:05.680
some of the services right now we offer are for
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basically at this point select groups and individuals in which
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are well actually, let me rephrase that. So, for example,
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there are people I will tell you that I'm speaking
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to right now in Hollywood that I've had experiences and
562
00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:23.599
are very well known named people, but they're very hesitant
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to come forward publicly because of the stigma and all
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of this. And so there are people very very strongly
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00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:35.480
interested in this who have spent personal money, many many
566
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large amounts of their savings to try and understand what
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00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:41.000
happened to them in their experience, and what they found
568
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was the moment they inquired and started to hire the
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people they thought would help them, those people were the
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same ones that dissuaded them. And so what I do
571
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:51.240
essentially is I come into place there and I the
572
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:55.119
same way that one sort of imagine you were buying
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a house, and then over the years you add a garage,
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or you add another room to the garage, You add
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another room at the top of the house, maybe you
576
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:05.799
fix up the attic, you add a pool. The house
577
00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:10.000
itself metaphorically is not structured from the overall grand view.
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00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:12.960
And so what I essentially do is I come in
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to a particular degree and knock down their houses in
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a certain way and then restructure it in a way
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that allows for a perspective to be taken that shows
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much more accurately relative to the equations what's occurring. That's
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basically one service that's offered. Another one is very basic, uh,
584
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White paper reports on for example, a lot of people
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have been building devices and we do consulting both for
586
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At this point, I could say there's certain governments out
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of out of Africa that I've that I'm still consulting with,
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and others because there are certain nations basically in which
589
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do not in which some of this knowledge and let
590
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alone hardware has not has not been shared with them,
591
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and they're pissed off. So essentially it's a very it's
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00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:03.519
an interesting area feel to work in because you kind
593
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of you kind of dabble between a sort of murky
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part of the world in addition to a very official
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part of the world. So that's another service we offer.
596
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There are people, for example, that are looking how to
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die properly. Literally they understand this concept or they believe
598
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to have found an understanding over the years that if
599
00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:27.839
one does not put the physical body in a certain
600
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condition or under certain frequencies upon the point of death
601
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and things like this, it's much more difficult for their
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soul to transition to that next stage or phase. And
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then you have, of course quite a significant amount of people,
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both government and otherwise that also are very strongly in
605
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belief of the soul soul reincarnation trap. Yes, and they're
606
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they're looking for ways in which they can evade that
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upon their personal time of death. So and this is
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I say all of this because their experiments and data
609
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from their own work leads to this, has led them
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to their own conclusions. I don't have to convince them
611
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of anything. They come to me and they go, you
612
00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:12.440
know what do we like? They say, Okay, this is
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what we're looking for, and I say, okay, I can
614
00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:18.079
help you or I can't. Some other individuals or groups
615
00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:22.360
are looking basically for political cover. For example, there are
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some companies in Europe that have been sitting on this
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stuff since two thousand and five, believe it or not,
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lighter forms of this stuff, and they've gotten funding by universities,
619
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but then all of a sudden, the second their experiment worked,
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they would lose their funding, their sponsors would get demoted themselves,
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all that kind of stuff. And so that's another angle
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as well. People are looking for political cover to try
623
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and bring this into the market. So basically what I do,
624
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in various areas and ways, in addition to my own work,
625
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:57.559
is that we're trying to create official avenues for this
626
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stuff to occur and be and go public because the
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system over the many decades thanks to big oil, various
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elements of the military industrial complex. And when I say they,
629
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that's what I'm referring to. They have set it up
630
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so that it is very the only way this stuff
631
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can really come out, or through things like leaks, the
632
00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:20.119
only way this stuff can come out, or through things
633
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like trying to do what I'm doing.
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I'm doing.
635
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I'm not saying that I have found the only route.
636
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It is a route I'm trying to pursue, but basically, yeah,
637
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it's an interesting ride.
638
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So we do that.
639
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We do also consulting for various naval groups for other
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governments around the world as well, where sometimes I'll bring
641
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a small team with me of high level basically experts
642
00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:49.840
in which are not government that I've gotten to know
643
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:53.039
over the past couple of years, and we basically write
644
00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:57.639
reports on how they could improve their particular system or apparatus.
645
00:35:57.639 --> 00:36:02.440
We have even certain filtration companies that we're looking to
646
00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:05.519
consult with, so there's a lot going on. It depends
647
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on the field in which one wants to basically work
648
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with us in and that's basically what we do.
649
00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:13.760
Now I know you touched on this earlier. How are
650
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:19.280
you ensuring your safety on all levels and protection and
651
00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:22.280
how are you making sure that the individuals that you're
652
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confiding in and working with in world governments that you're
653
00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:29.199
working with are to be trusted on any level.
654
00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:33.719
Honestly, you don't. That's that's unfortunate. I'm not going to
655
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sit here and say there's some secret method to protect yourself.
656
00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:39.559
There are methods you can put in place so as
657
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:42.360
to mitigate potential issues, but at the end of the day,
658
00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:45.280
there comes a point where you don't know what you
659
00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:49.440
don't know, including for myself. Now that doesn't I don't
660
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:52.559
mean to sound all macho or whatever, but at the
661
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:54.320
end of the day, it's either for me you either
662
00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:58.800
try and take upon take up this task and roll
663
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:01.159
up under your bed and not do anything, or just
664
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keep living and keep doing what you do. Don't get
665
00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:05.639
me wrong there. I'm not going to sit here and
666
00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:08.239
say that it's never concerned me. There have been times
667
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where I've had thoughts of what you could call paranoia,
668
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but this was many, many months ago. There comes a
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point where from dare I say a spiritual perspective more
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than anything else, When when one understands one's self spiritually.
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In my opinion, that's all that matters. Anything physical doesn't
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every everything physical doesn't matter after that, right on, man,
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So that's that's how I take it.
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Excellent, Well, let's get into as much as you can
675
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disclose again about how to die? What what got you
676
00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:42.360
looking into this? How much information can you tell us
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about this?
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Sure?
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So I will tell you after I present it to
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some a handful of individuals at different departments of the
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of the Department of Defense, I will tell you word
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got around very quickly. It got around very quickly about
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the about what I had tapped and then what I
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had wanted to do with my company, Salt, And the
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reason so many had reached out to me was because
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of the fact that these all these individuals have known
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for years across the plethora of departments of the Pentagon
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in other areas that this stuff has existed. Some have
689
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even been given access to it, but it has been
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compartmentalized access. So if you have one guy that had
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access to say what we could could or would call
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anti gravity, he doesn't have this access to what another
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guy has with that same technology but applied in the
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medical area. What we do here is we bring that together.
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We bring that knowledge together in a way where and
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this goes back to what I said before about there
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being a window both strategically, politically ideologically on a global
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scale and microlocal scale of there being an opportunity for
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people like myself and others to be fair to bring
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this stuff out. So that's basically we try and peace.
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It's not so much the same way that I had
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tapped anti gravity. It's not so much I'm not claiming
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I found the way. I found a set of ways,
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and it is not so much what I tapped, more
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so the unification and conjecture of how I tapped it,
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and then taking that same approach and then like I
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gave an example of the house metaphorically before taking that
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same approach and then applying it to the medical field,
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taking that same approach and then applying it to let
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me think here, honestly, you name it really not just medical,
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but even for example, therapeutic toys, for you know, for
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kids who spend too much time playing video games, things
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like this, maybe there would be a device medically that
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could have a med code in which would be regulated
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for something that would make them get up and go
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outside and play and be more active things like this.
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Basically, right on now, how much of what you have
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been exposed to and the individuals that you're working with,
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what percentage of these people are actually into more of
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a cult or magical based interest in this?
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Honestly, I would say the one all of them. I
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can only speak on my experiences, but basically one of
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the big issues with this whole disclosure situation is that
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I'm just just to say it, at least as I
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understand it, what we call quantum is basically magic, for
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lack of a better description, what we call I agree
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very strongly with doctor Neils Borr with what he said
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over one hundred years ago when he said, if one
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doesn't realize that what we call material and real are
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made up of things that are ultimately not real whatsoever,
731
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one has not understood quantum field theory yet. And I
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agree with him very strongly on that. I might be
733
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paraphrasing a bit of that, but ultimately, if we and
734
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I give the example of if we think of going
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to a movie theater and going to watch a movie
736
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and the projector that is emitting light to then be
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put onto the screen for our entertainment is nuts in
738
00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:05.320
bolts piece of hardware that is operating to then emit
739
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light for us to watch. If we take that and
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we flip it the other way around, and the sense
741
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of light is projecting itself across what we call time
742
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to then become more and more denser to then produce
743
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the nuts in bolts effect. That is more so, I
744
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would say, what we're looking in what basically what we're
745
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looking at and perhaps living in right now, which speaks
746
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to you know, holographic simulation, theory, morphogenic simulation, all that
747
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:36.559
kind of stuff. But basically the stuff that people call
748
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wo woo, in my humble opinion, is far more real
749
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than any of the stuff that we call material or tangible,
750
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and that is purely off of data driven reports. It's
751
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been in the literature for a long time now. There
752
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:55.960
are some papers that before World War One showed the
753
00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:58.800
same physical arrangement of what was called the seance room
754
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is now the same arrangement in what's called a quantum
755
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physics laboratory. So what you're dealing with essentially is various
756
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forms of alchemy, various forms of electricity and magnetism, many
757
00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:14.960
of which, is my opinion, has been tapped time and
758
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time again by our ancestors and.
759
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All of that.
760
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So yeah, I would say that what you'd call an
761
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occult or an esultic perspective is extremely relevant, prevalent, and
762
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alive if you want to call it that, whether with
763
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intense for better or worse, both are the case within
764
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various world governments and institutions, is my opinion.
765
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That's incredible.
766
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And by the way, we can, I can show you
767
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some stuff after the recording's over, just so you can
768
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if you would like ever down the road to reassure
769
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your audience that there's certain things that you've seen where
770
00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:50.320
it's like, oh crap.
771
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So yeah, definitely. Now for a second, I want to
772
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go back to the proper way to die. Mini of
773
00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:09.159
discussed that either cremation versus being buried is a more
774
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:14.360
proper way to die, and just different types of burial
775
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:18.920
techniques that will allow you to traverse to the other
776
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:23.039
side or not be get trapped in the reincarnation trap.
777
00:43:23.119 --> 00:43:26.360
Like you were saying, is this something that related to
778
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anything you've been looking into?
779
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Very much?
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So, I would say, respectfully, it's not so much what
781
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happens to the body afterwards, so much is what occurs
782
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during the process of death itself. It's more so what
783
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the body needs to be surrounded with and perhaps in
784
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case or encapsulated with. And I say that very carefully,
785
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:50.719
but upon the phase and state of death. So what
786
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:53.280
we're looking at here is what we would call phase
787
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:56.639
kinetic resonance. So the soul is essentially the same way
788
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that one would create a temporary, very portal in space
789
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and time, like a portal to.
790
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Walk through, so to speak, would be the.
791
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Same way in which that apparatus would have to be
792
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or could be applied, not have to be, but could
793
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be applied to the human body when upon the time
794
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of death. So it's more so how to facilitate the
795
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transition of the soul, more so than what you do
796
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with the body, if that makes sense. What happens to
797
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the body afterwards, It'll go back into the earth, back
798
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into mother Nature, whatever you want to call it. I'd
799
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like to respectfully reinforce the essentially the facilitation of the
800
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transition of the soul.
801
00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:46.440
What about the theory that there are certain ways to
802
00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:53.039
be reincarnated into specific bloodlines or families or even certain
803
00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:56.719
bodies at different time periods of time. What do you
804
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think about that.
805
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I I say this in a reserved manner because I
806
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don't want to just say all of a sudden, anything
807
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:08.639
and everything is possible, but based on the numbers and
808
00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:12.079
the equations within various elements of quantum field theory and
809
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otherwise very much So I say that because again, I mean,
810
00:45:18.239 --> 00:45:20.719
it's this is when it gets interesting, because you don't
811
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want to be able to open the door for any
812
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and every theory to be possible. But at the same time,
813
00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:29.239
by definition of what the numbers show, in addition to
814
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many experiments that I've been fortunate enough to be a
815
00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:35.199
part of in various laboratories, that is the case. And
816
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I think that's actually a beautiful thing because you choose
817
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what you want your fate, destiny path to be. But
818
00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:47.039
we need to remember that essentially, right, It's it's just
819
00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:49.760
like cattle on a farm. The cows don't realize they're
820
00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:53.079
strong enough to run through the fence, break it and
821
00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:55.679
then be free. But if once you realize, once you
822
00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:59.440
realize that to build from there is not that difficult.
823
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:01.039
Once you get an of the farm, you can go
824
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:03.519
into the forest. From the forest, you go. So you
825
00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:04.639
see where I'm going with this.
826
00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:06.400
Yes, yeah, yeah.
827
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Right.
828
00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:11.360
Now, again, we're gonna get into some iffy territories. I
829
00:46:11.440 --> 00:46:14.519
want you to only say whatever you're able to. You
830
00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:17.760
have been looking into cancer cures, is that right?
831
00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:23.280
Various methods that could medically be applied that that would
832
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:23.800
enable that.
833
00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:27.840
Yes, Now, is there anything that you can disclose about this?
834
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:32.000
Unfortunately, this is an area that I can't I can't
835
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:34.679
dive into publicly. I apologize. All I can say is
836
00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:38.039
that there are a lot of things being worked on
837
00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:41.719
and looked at. I have a the my my most
838
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:45.559
recent paper that I've semi officially released for peer review
839
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:51.679
is UH, which got passed on to I think hammer
840
00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:55.159
Off and and doctor Putoff and some others as well. Uh.
841
00:46:55.559 --> 00:46:58.039
It has to do with basically intent being able to
842
00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:02.599
perturb matter. And I use in particular, and I don't
843
00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:05.000
mean to dodge from the medical question, but this idea
844
00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:07.400
of intent in the human biofield, So this is what
845
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:10.199
I mean by biophysics, would in fact be able to
846
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:14.760
induce thoughts that linguistically have meaning to them, that are
847
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:20.760
basically underneath what are called topological Markovian substrate blanket that
848
00:47:20.960 --> 00:47:24.199
enable basically, if we think of a stack of books,
849
00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:27.920
think of ten books, book ten being on the top,
850
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:31.039
book one being on the bottom. Imagine book ten is
851
00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:34.880
a cancer cell that is expanding and it's not good
852
00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:38.320
in the body. All that Imagine if book nine to
853
00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:42.119
one was were different points in time where when the
854
00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:45.360
cancer cell was healthy. What if we can go back
855
00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:48.760
to book five and then smack it on top of
856
00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:51.360
book ten. So now what you've done is you've made
857
00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:54.320
that You've taken the cell to a point in time
858
00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:57.199
when it was healthy, and you've now brought it into
859
00:47:57.239 --> 00:48:01.440
the present moment. So you have immediately completely just cured
860
00:48:01.480 --> 00:48:05.719
the cancer. And essentially there are other methods that are
861
00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:08.039
actually even more effective than that, which I can't get
862
00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:10.880
into unfortunately, but that would be the idea if we
863
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:12.159
think of that book example.
864
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:13.760
I love it. Man.
865
00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:19.559
Now you have been looking scouring the deep web, the
866
00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:24.199
dark web, and you've actually found some DoD slides that
867
00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:26.280
are pretty interesting. Could you talk about those?
868
00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:28.880
Sure? So this was one of the things I actually
869
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:32.239
presented to various departments and individuals at the DoD as well,
870
00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:34.840
which was that basically about a year and a half ago.
871
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:37.519
The slides as well that I had, some of which
872
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:40.000
I've shared on my Patreon but the rest I just
873
00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:47.400
haven't shared basically deal with an understanding of how what
874
00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:49.559
we would call demons operate if we think of that
875
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:53.320
same concept of books book one to ten. If we're
876
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:56.400
living in reality of book ten, for example, there may
877
00:48:56.440 --> 00:48:59.199
be a spirit or demon or daemon as I would
878
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:02.039
prefer to call them on book three that will then
879
00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:05.199
consciously or knowingly jump all the way up to book
880
00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:07.880
ten in order to induce an effect in which what
881
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:11.079
we'd call a phenomenon this reality or something unexplained, and
882
00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:14.280
then drop back down to book three. I don't mean
883
00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:17.920
to allude to anything sort of like heavenly or hell
884
00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:20.159
like by saying going up or down. I don't mean
885
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:23.960
it in that way. But essentially it basically opens up
886
00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:27.360
the many world's theory, the many realities theory, you name it.
887
00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:31.480
So this actually goes back to your great question earlier
888
00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:37.760
of again, why there's such difficulty between the academic community
889
00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:41.400
accepting this stuff and also disclosing this stuff. Because there
890
00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:44.480
comes a point where science is becoming indiscernible from magic,
891
00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:47.840
and when you've had a population that you've deliberately suppressed
892
00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:50.079
for so long from telling them such, how do you
893
00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:52.880
tell them such all of a sudden, So what do
894
00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:53.079
you do?
895
00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:55.639
You call it? You call it quantum.
896
00:49:56.159 --> 00:50:01.079
Now do you think that these quantum realms contain quantum
897
00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:05.159
intelligences that could actually be perceived as what you like,
898
00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:09.639
you would say, demonic and have the ability to interface
899
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:13.280
with our modern technology in some ways?
900
00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:15.519
Very much so, And I say this very carefully in
901
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:18.400
the sense of we have to also consider the possibility
902
00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:23.280
of what's called substrates in holographic substrates like different layers.
903
00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:26.559
So there are these beings that will have negative intent
904
00:50:26.599 --> 00:50:29.719
in addition to positive ones, that will in some cases
905
00:50:29.719 --> 00:50:33.000
present themselves in a way in which your personal subconscious
906
00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:36.239
or consciousness will be able to interpret them better as
907
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:39.760
in order for them to effectuate their initiative more effectively.
908
00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:43.320
Now that will be some cases they will basically show
909
00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:46.559
you what you want to see, whether consciously when from
910
00:50:46.599 --> 00:50:49.960
conscious thoughts or say you're big into playing Call of Duty,
911
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:52.679
it may show up as a I'm not even kidding,
912
00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:55.679
as a Call of Duty looking player. There are other
913
00:50:56.519 --> 00:51:00.960
we could say scenarios where there are it's more so
914
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:05.760
poltergeist like activity in which will be present whenever you
915
00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:08.360
are doing something this entity that would not want you
916
00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:10.920
to do, so to speak. Now, this then comes to
917
00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:13.679
the concept of what we call matter actually being alive
918
00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:17.480
in many different aspects in regards because what then ends
919
00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:20.480
up happening what that is. If matter is alive, then
920
00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:24.440
what you can do essentially is take a form of
921
00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:29.239
manifesting that matter to then enable what you could call
922
00:51:29.480 --> 00:51:32.440
to basically make it do what you want for you. Now,
923
00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:35.000
that would basically be a concept of what we would
924
00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:40.480
call a damon like Ed Gregor, or more academically, a
925
00:51:40.519 --> 00:51:43.639
neurological form constant, so to speak. This goes into things
926
00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:47.920
for those interested in the literature, pan biopsychicism, the work
927
00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:52.679
of Diana Dedulo, James Giordano, Carl Fristen, Dean Rayden. For
928
00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:56.760
those interested in the literature, those would be some places
929
00:51:56.760 --> 00:52:00.199
to look. So I'm trying to do my best to
930
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:03.280
be able to push the the limits as much as
931
00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:06.599
I can while providing substantiative data to back to back
932
00:52:06.639 --> 00:52:09.039
it up. And for those that say, well, Dave, I
933
00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:11.119
don't if I look in the academic literature, I'm not
934
00:52:11.159 --> 00:52:12.360
going to see what you're stating.
935
00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:13.679
So clearly I.
936
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:16.320
Would say, take what for example, take what's in the
937
00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:20.639
public literature, and just think about a handful of individuals,
938
00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:23.920
military and scientists sitting at a table going why don't
939
00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:26.360
we scale this up? And that's largely in my opinion,
940
00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:30.239
what some of the classified projects are. Case in point GMOs.
941
00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:33.039
If it's been done to plants, is it possible it
942
00:52:33.079 --> 00:52:35.800
may have been tested on humans in an official or
943
00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:41.800
unofficial capacity, probably, so that that's where I would go there.
944
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:46.519
Yeah, this is incredible. Wh you mentioned Ares and I
945
00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:51.280
want to get your thoughts on the possibility of what
946
00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:55.760
we're seeing now with the disclosure movement. The UFO is
947
00:52:55.840 --> 00:53:00.280
some sort of aggregre that has been implanted into the
948
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:06.760
mass consciousness We've seen since the past five or more years,
949
00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:10.719
the UFOs have been pushed more and more out into
950
00:53:10.760 --> 00:53:16.000
the forefront. We've had Pentagon departments looking into this and
951
00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:20.119
more and more mass media coverage, and now it seems
952
00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:26.760
that it finally has developed into that we are saying
953
00:53:27.159 --> 00:53:30.079
that the media is saying, at least that we're shooting
954
00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:35.320
down unknown objects, and they're framing it in a aspect
955
00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:38.800
that it's a uf could be a UFO, something that
956
00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:42.400
we have no idea what it is. We We've also
957
00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:47.440
had the Chinese balloon that we shot down. It all
958
00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:51.480
seems very strange. It all seems like it's a quickening
959
00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:55.559
of events that is being pushed into the human consciousness
960
00:53:55.559 --> 00:53:59.760
for whatever reason. I'd love to get your insights into
961
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:05.199
this evolution of what we would call UFO disclosure.
962
00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:07.800
I appreciate that a ton.
963
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:11.159
What I think, to put it more simply, I think
964
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what we're witnessing is and I encourage people not to
965
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:18.920
trust any of these outlets so much as to just
966
00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:22.119
trust that they have their own internal agendas. I think
967
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:25.440
what we're witnessing are some is a result of both
968
00:54:25.519 --> 00:54:30.079
public and private infighting of various factions, factions in which
969
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:34.599
have ideologically aligned literally some I know this sounds a
970
00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:36.480
bit out there for some, but if we think of
971
00:54:36.519 --> 00:54:41.599
the attraction repulsion principle as above, so below hermetic all
972
00:54:41.599 --> 00:54:44.039
that kind of stuff, if there's bad, there must be good,
973
00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:47.000
and good there must unfortunately be bad. So there are
974
00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:50.000
some individuals that I've spoken to in which are very
975
00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:52.719
public out there in let's say, for example, the medical
976
00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:56.199
field that's the farthest I'll go, that have said they've
977
00:54:56.239 --> 00:54:59.840
come out because it is the it is the right
978
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:02.400
thing to do. In which I've even spoken to them
979
00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:05.480
on multiple occasions privately where they they say, listen, Dave,
980
00:55:05.519 --> 00:55:08.280
we got grandchildren, we know what's coming, and we don't
981
00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:10.880
like what we've contributed to the in the many decades
982
00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:13.599
in the past. We're trying to right some of our wrongs. That,
983
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:16.880
in my opinion is that that doesn't necessarily absolve them.
984
00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:19.519
I'm not speaking to one individual in particular, but at
985
00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:22.280
the same time, there are other individuals that have even
986
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:25.280
recently and just started their careers in the last ten years,
987
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:27.519
that have said to me as well, they've we've seen
988
00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:29.840
the shit show that's been happening in all the lives
989
00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:32.920
for years. This has to stop now. What that said,
990
00:55:33.159 --> 00:55:36.199
what you're also witnessing, in my opinion, is a deliberate
991
00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:39.360
infighting of factions and it's being we're being the test
992
00:55:39.400 --> 00:55:44.239
subjects as to as to those various dissemination of agendas,
993
00:55:44.360 --> 00:55:47.079
and it's unfortunate. I think there is a little bit
994
00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:49.239
of truth in what's being said in some regards, but
995
00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:51.400
then in other regards, I think there's also a point
996
00:55:51.400 --> 00:55:55.199
where regardless of the infighting of factions for whatever purposes,
997
00:55:56.159 --> 00:55:58.519
there is what we and I don't say this in
998
00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:01.159
a fear mongering manner. I say this purely from this
999
00:56:01.239 --> 00:56:04.039
is also what we're focused on at Salt. Organic approaches,
1000
00:56:04.119 --> 00:56:06.840
no chips in the brain, none of that stuff. Organic
1001
00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:12.039
approaches in which are very feasible that they, in terms
1002
00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:16.119
of the establishment and the transnational elite, do not want
1003
00:56:16.199 --> 00:56:18.400
us to know about because we cannot be controlled in
1004
00:56:18.400 --> 00:56:20.400
that way. What do I mean by that? The same
1005
00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:23.960
energy that taps anti gravity and telekinesis we all have
1006
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:28.480
within us at the moment. But when Klaus Schwab says
1007
00:56:28.480 --> 00:56:31.000
that the World Economic Forum, for example, in the next
1008
00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:33.719
ten years, everyone's going to be able to read each
1009
00:56:33.760 --> 00:56:36.360
other's minds or hear each other's thoughts with a chip
1010
00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:38.719
in the brain, what he's also not mentioning is that
1011
00:56:38.760 --> 00:56:41.199
we already have that within us right now. But he
1012
00:56:41.239 --> 00:56:44.320
doesn't mention that because that method cannot be controlled. So
1013
00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:46.320
I think when it comes to the stuff like the
1014
00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:50.719
Chinese balloon stuff, the things for example, like the you know,
1015
00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:54.360
the alleged craft over Lake Huron where there was claimed
1016
00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:56.280
to be a science project and all of that kind
1017
00:56:56.320 --> 00:57:00.599
of stuff. The stuff over Huron, not to get into specific,
1018
00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:03.639
you know cases, I think that was a cover up.
1019
00:57:03.880 --> 00:57:06.800
I say this because there are some individuals that I
1020
00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:10.039
know personally in Congress that have Let's just say that
1021
00:57:10.159 --> 00:57:14.159
it is of my opinion very strongly that that was
1022
00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:19.199
more of a basically, it was those ones were not ours.
1023
00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:21.400
What I mean by ours is at least surface human.
1024
00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:25.280
When I say those words very carefully surface human. I
1025
00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:28.039
also think as well that when we say humankind, we
1026
00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:31.480
also have to consider perhaps human kinds and not just
1027
00:57:31.559 --> 00:57:37.599
one kind. So basically, to top it off, what I think, brother,
1028
00:57:37.719 --> 00:57:42.320
is that I think that every twelve to thirteen thousand years,
1029
00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:44.960
there is a poll flip, if we'd like to call it.
1030
00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:48.360
It is of my understanding I think that it is
1031
00:57:49.719 --> 00:57:53.519
possible we are slowly approaching such an event, and there
1032
00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:57.760
are various factions with various agendas of both material non
1033
00:57:57.800 --> 00:58:01.599
material human and non human intelligences that have their own
1034
00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:05.639
agendas for how we as a species should proceed from
1035
00:58:05.679 --> 00:58:09.000
that point. And I think that's also what you're seeing
1036
00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:13.079
in the sense that humans, including our own leaders, are
1037
00:58:13.119 --> 00:58:14.760
not at the top of the food chain in a
1038
00:58:14.760 --> 00:58:19.800
galactic sense. And so it's kind of like if we
1039
00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:23.400
think of this idea of the veil as thinning, that
1040
00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:28.199
may be more literal in a quantum energetic information structural
1041
00:58:28.840 --> 00:58:33.159
morphogenic regard than people think, meaning that, for example, it's
1042
00:58:33.199 --> 00:58:36.079
possible there may be some frequencies that are naturally going
1043
00:58:36.119 --> 00:58:39.480
to be induced via that of the process of the
1044
00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:43.199
twelve thirteen year cycle, like the CIA, Adam and Eve
1045
00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:46.599
document and all that stuff, in which we may start
1046
00:58:46.599 --> 00:58:52.000
to see things like, for example, birds and planes stopping midair.
1047
00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:54.400
What is causing that. There's a strong argument to be
1048
00:58:54.440 --> 00:58:56.679
made that it is in fact mass consciousness in an
1049
00:58:56.800 --> 00:58:59.719
organic sense. Just the fact that people are questioning things,
1050
00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:03.440
just the fact that people are questioning you know, I
1051
00:59:03.480 --> 00:59:05.760
have a nice job, as society tells me or the
1052
00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:08.480
system tells me. I got kids, you know, mortgage paid off,
1053
00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:10.760
I got a cottage about to retire. But I'm not
1054
00:59:10.880 --> 00:59:14.920
happy in here in their heart. And so I think
1055
00:59:14.960 --> 00:59:18.400
that's the connection in which that's also part of that
1056
00:59:18.440 --> 00:59:22.280
fifth missing link. In my opinion, by the way, scientifically,
1057
00:59:22.639 --> 00:59:26.519
I think what we call spirituality and intuition is in
1058
00:59:26.559 --> 00:59:29.679
fact that missing link. And I think we're seeing factions
1059
00:59:29.719 --> 00:59:32.679
of people that want that to come out, and then
1060
00:59:33.119 --> 00:59:40.079
others that unfortunately don't and want us to at least
1061
00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:43.360
perhaps not scrap that idea from us, but at least
1062
00:59:43.360 --> 00:59:44.960
make us forget about it or ignore it.
1063
00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:47.599
Now, there's just a couple of more things that I
1064
00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:50.519
want to go over that you actually just mentioned. One
1065
00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:55.159
of them is the possibility of a large scale reset,
1066
00:59:55.599 --> 01:00:00.880
maybe even extinction level event or poll shift. Been seeing
1067
01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:05.960
evidence of something along these lines for years. The magnetic
1068
01:00:06.079 --> 01:00:11.159
north has been rapidly moving towards Siberia. They've had to
1069
01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:16.920
redo the runways because of the magnetism. There is evidence
1070
01:00:17.119 --> 01:00:21.639
that we are the Earth is shifting in some ways.
1071
01:00:22.199 --> 01:00:24.840
Do you think that this is like you said, this
1072
01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:29.679
is possibly known in some higher levels. How far do
1073
01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:32.000
you think this could take us as far as an
1074
01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:36.519
extinction level or complete reset, something along those lines.
1075
01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:38.920
I'm not going I don't want to sugarcoat it when
1076
01:00:38.960 --> 01:00:41.400
I say that it is of my This speaks to
1077
01:00:41.440 --> 01:00:44.239
the concept of what I say again this word carefully
1078
01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:46.840
ascension and the how to die process. A lot of
1079
01:00:47.519 --> 01:00:51.440
very wealthy individuals in a financial regard, not so much
1080
01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:55.880
spiritual regard, are interested in how to do this, but
1081
01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:58.199
they but they think that their money can buy their
1082
01:00:58.199 --> 01:01:00.599
way to that next point. Now I'm trying to say
1083
01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:02.599
here is that if we think of different densities, and
1084
01:01:02.639 --> 01:01:06.159
for example, perhaps I don't say this as factual, but
1085
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:11.039
the perhaps the planet will be excuse me, moving to
1086
01:01:11.199 --> 01:01:17.119
a frequency and reality and environment in a spatial regard
1087
01:01:17.599 --> 01:01:20.920
that is lighter in its mass, not its weight, but
1088
01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:24.000
it's mass. What we then have is we would have
1089
01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:26.400
a situation where our bodies would not be able to
1090
01:01:26.480 --> 01:01:29.400
exist in such a new reality. We would need to
1091
01:01:29.480 --> 01:01:32.519
have new bodies, so to speak. That sort of like
1092
01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:37.039
having a It's very difficult to drive a Ferrari in
1093
01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:40.239
the smack dead of winter. You need a you see
1094
01:01:40.239 --> 01:01:43.119
what I'm saying, You need something more appropriate for that condition.
1095
01:01:43.880 --> 01:01:46.639
What I think we're seeing here is a situation where
1096
01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:50.119
these individuals that are looking to how to die are
1097
01:01:50.159 --> 01:01:53.519
looking for the quick and easy way, if you want
1098
01:01:53.559 --> 01:01:55.199
to call it that, not all of them, but to
1099
01:01:55.280 --> 01:01:57.960
try and ascend in that regard, in which my opinion
1100
01:01:58.039 --> 01:01:59.119
will be they'll never get there.
1101
01:02:00.239 --> 01:02:00.840
It has to.
1102
01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:06.079
Purely do with internal intuitive, personal self growth, which also
1103
01:02:06.159 --> 01:02:09.960
speaks to the idea of there being multiple truths. If
1104
01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:12.400
I may quote doctor Nils Boor again, he said, the
1105
01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:16.159
opposite of a trivial truth is a falsehood, but the
1106
01:02:16.159 --> 01:02:19.760
opposite of an absolute truth is another truth. This goes
1107
01:02:19.800 --> 01:02:24.639
then to quantum decoherence, quantum coherence in what's called Bomian mechanics.
1108
01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:28.599
So basically, what I think we're seeing in this overall
1109
01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:32.920
encompassing aspect of people wanting to learn how to die
1110
01:02:33.079 --> 01:02:37.079
essentially and move to that next point is to adjust
1111
01:02:37.159 --> 01:02:40.519
with the natural environment of the cosmos. As we go
1112
01:02:40.599 --> 01:02:43.920
through this process, I think, unfortunately, you will have a
1113
01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:46.800
lot of individuals that will I don't know what will
1114
01:02:46.840 --> 01:02:49.639
happen to them in a spiritual regard, but there's no
1115
01:02:49.920 --> 01:02:52.400
way for me to sugarcoat it other than I think
1116
01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:56.840
there will be a wipeout to what degree, I don't know.
1117
01:02:56.880 --> 01:03:03.480
It's again, but during this time there's also again there's
1118
01:03:03.480 --> 01:03:06.400
a lot of speculation that there may be some various
1119
01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:11.679
forms of assistance foreign to us, if that makes sense,
1120
01:03:11.719 --> 01:03:17.480
both materially and otherwise, for us to sort of help evade, uh,
1121
01:03:18.280 --> 01:03:21.159
you know, this disaster from affecting us at least.
1122
01:03:21.559 --> 01:03:24.800
Now along those lines, let's close on this. You said
1123
01:03:24.800 --> 01:03:30.000
that the one of the UFO incidents might have been
1124
01:03:30.760 --> 01:03:33.679
possibly and I'm gonna I'm gonna put this in my
1125
01:03:33.760 --> 01:03:38.079
own words, a sort of breakaway civilization, and that may
1126
01:03:38.119 --> 01:03:40.440
be what we're dealing with with a lot of the
1127
01:03:40.639 --> 01:03:44.679
advanced technology and crafts that we're witnessing in the sky,
1128
01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:50.239
and that possibly these this breakaway civilization may be the
1129
01:03:50.239 --> 01:03:52.960
ones assisting us in the future. What do you think
1130
01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:53.320
about that?
1131
01:03:53.960 --> 01:03:56.760
Well, sure, let's let's give some before I dive into that.
1132
01:03:56.840 --> 01:03:59.800
Let's give some practical examples of how a breakaway civilization
1133
01:03:59.880 --> 01:04:02.079
and last and when I say modern times, I say
1134
01:04:02.119 --> 01:04:04.159
in the last two to three hundred years could have occurred.
1135
01:04:04.440 --> 01:04:07.920
We look, for example at the United States Navy, the
1136
01:04:07.960 --> 01:04:10.920
airships that they had before World War Two, even before
1137
01:04:10.960 --> 01:04:13.679
World War One, but particularly in the twenties and thirties,
1138
01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:17.760
the Hindenburg, all of this in which was not necessarily
1139
01:04:17.800 --> 01:04:21.800
anti gravitic but certainly used what we call empty space
1140
01:04:22.119 --> 01:04:29.719
to infinitely power via that of plasma based and liquid
1141
01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:34.519
oriented mechanisms. These these airships, so to speak, could it
1142
01:04:34.519 --> 01:04:38.559
be possible that, for example, the Gravity Club, in which
1143
01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:44.400
Martin Marietta company that later became Lockheed Martin was enabled
1144
01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:47.760
to form of some type of completely off the books,
1145
01:04:47.880 --> 01:04:52.159
cash run and funded program, not to reverse engineer, but
1146
01:04:52.199 --> 01:04:56.400
to literally build something that they may have found in
1147
01:04:56.519 --> 01:04:59.480
terms of a book or knowledge or something they may
1148
01:04:59.519 --> 01:05:02.599
have come up cross themselves. Now that's one avenue which
1149
01:05:02.679 --> 01:05:04.760
could lead to a whole concept of this sort of
1150
01:05:04.840 --> 01:05:09.800
deep state off the books, you know, corporate evading the
1151
01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:14.000
Foyer request type scenario, which is very feasible. It's very
1152
01:05:14.039 --> 01:05:17.360
possible if we look back even hundreds, if not maybe
1153
01:05:17.400 --> 01:05:20.239
some thousands of years prior to that. Is it quite
1154
01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:24.320
possible that there were some humans that you know, looked
1155
01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:27.079
into things and saw that they wanted to sort of
1156
01:05:27.079 --> 01:05:30.320
do their own thing, as some even of our religious texts,
1157
01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:33.920
although to be vigilant, it's been alleged that those have
1158
01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:36.880
been butchered, and I wouldn't disagree with that. Is it
1159
01:05:36.920 --> 01:05:41.039
possible that maybe five, ten, fifteen thousand humans long ago
1160
01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:43.480
went to their own part of the planet and then
1161
01:05:43.559 --> 01:05:47.440
slowly over the years worked their way literally underground and
1162
01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:50.440
found something there. And then again, if you only have
1163
01:05:50.480 --> 01:05:53.119
a population of let's even go on the high end,
1164
01:05:53.159 --> 01:05:57.920
fifteen thousand people, the politics and the progress the politics
1165
01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:01.280
you would have would be far less serious and and uh,
1166
01:06:01.599 --> 01:06:06.679
I guess you could say, uh, damaging to the and
1167
01:06:06.719 --> 01:06:10.159
what you'd you'd make far more progress politically, ideologically, and
1168
01:06:10.199 --> 01:06:15.719
therefore scientifically to develop, say craft that we would then
1169
01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:20.079
call extraterrestrial or something that we don't know of now.
1170
01:06:20.119 --> 01:06:23.159
What's also possible some of these breakaway groups may have
1171
01:06:23.199 --> 01:06:25.760
in fact appeared at some point in time to our
1172
01:06:25.800 --> 01:06:30.800
world governments UH presented themselves as being from off planet
1173
01:06:31.039 --> 01:06:33.800
so as to ensure their safety on planet when they
1174
01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:37.880
would go back to their their area. These are all
1175
01:06:37.920 --> 01:06:40.519
possibilities very strongly we look at. For example, I did
1176
01:06:40.519 --> 01:06:42.840
a Twitter thread the other week on the German missing
1177
01:06:43.400 --> 01:06:46.000
U boats, the missing you know army of in Germany.
1178
01:06:46.599 --> 01:06:48.320
They're being letters from inner Earth.
1179
01:06:48.519 --> 01:06:49.199
UH.
1180
01:06:49.280 --> 01:06:51.199
I forgot the name of the general, I forgot, but
1181
01:06:51.320 --> 01:06:54.800
basically sending saying and sending to his friends in Brazil
1182
01:06:54.840 --> 01:06:57.840
on the surface saying, yes, there's an inner Earth. I
1183
01:06:57.840 --> 01:06:59.840
don't recall exactly if he said we were being held
1184
01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:03.559
active or something like this, but many of these different theories.
1185
01:07:03.679 --> 01:07:07.960
I would strongly advise people to look into doctor Halpudoff's
1186
01:07:08.039 --> 01:07:13.440
ultra terrestrial theory, so ultra covers all these possibilities. I
1187
01:07:13.519 --> 01:07:17.599
honestly brother personally, the more I experiment in the lab,
1188
01:07:17.679 --> 01:07:20.519
the more I consult to experience what I do and
1189
01:07:20.559 --> 01:07:22.480
all that, the more I realize I don't know anything
1190
01:07:22.480 --> 01:07:25.679
about anything, but to me, that speaks to me philosophy
1191
01:07:25.719 --> 01:07:29.719
philosophically about the joys in the journey. But with that said, I.
1192
01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:31.719
Check off all of the boxes.
1193
01:07:32.039 --> 01:07:34.519
And I only say that because I think a lot
1194
01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:37.639
of it is us, and again we have to define
1195
01:07:37.679 --> 01:07:40.079
what us is. But then I also think a lot
1196
01:07:40.119 --> 01:07:42.960
of it is what you would call inner Earth. I
1197
01:07:43.000 --> 01:07:45.960
also think there's an interdimensional angle, and I also think
1198
01:07:46.000 --> 01:07:49.800
there's an angle where there's something that is completely not us.
1199
01:07:49.920 --> 01:07:55.159
Now to the extent in which we can when people say, well,
1200
01:07:55.199 --> 01:07:57.239
even if it's not us, it's still us, because if
1201
01:07:57.239 --> 01:08:00.280
you think on a super big scale we're all part
1202
01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:04.159
of the cosmos than absolutely sure. But in the context
1203
01:08:04.159 --> 01:08:07.400
of our current experience from a DNA perspective, it will
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not be us biologically in the way that we view things.
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But that's where I would go with that.
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This is like a never ending onion that we're trying
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to get to the center of. The more we find out,
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Like you said, we find that the less we know,
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and it just keeps opening up more and more questions.
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It makes me wonder, are we even really supposed to know?
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I don't know, man, we may not.
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I think that it comes honestly, I think it comes
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down to the individual and the point that they're at
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internally in their lives. And I really do mean that.
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I think there are some that are absolutely ready. And
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I'm not trying to be the moral arbiter or the
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judge of that, but my opinion is I think there
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are some that are certainly ready. I think there are
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others that are definitely not, but I don't think that
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that should prevent the ones that are ready from moving
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forward one hundred percent.
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Man, Dave, this was great. Thank you so much for
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taking the time before you out let the audience know
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where they can find the podcast and anything else you
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got going.
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Sure, mainly I do because the amount of people that
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have so graciously supported me. A patreon dot com slash
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generation z spelled zed no space, no capitals, patreon dot
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01:09:16.239 --> 01:09:19.359
com slash generation z. We do anywhere from one to
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01:09:19.439 --> 01:09:22.680
three times per week, and I'm always traveling, so even
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01:09:22.720 --> 01:09:25.079
when I'm traveling, group zoom calls we call them think
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tank calls. We have loads of members only content on there.
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In addition to you get to see some of my
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behind the scenes research experiments and also some technical papers
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as well that I then the papers i'll be taking
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public in the coming months. But I can also be
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found at generation z zed podcast, at Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Podbean,
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01:09:49.520 --> 01:09:51.880
and of course YouTube. And I also do have a
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01:09:51.920 --> 01:09:55.880
substack as well, Davez dot substack dot com where I
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try and post one to three articles per month as
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01:09:58.680 --> 01:10:00.840
well for those that are more interested and reading instead
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01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:04.000
of watching or listening. So and then of course we
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01:10:04.119 --> 01:10:06.760
have Salt that's more of a I guess you could say,
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01:10:06.760 --> 01:10:09.520
if anyone's interested in that, you can reach out to
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01:10:09.560 --> 01:10:13.199
me at gen z podcast at gmail dot com. I
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01:10:13.239 --> 01:10:15.479
do have a Salt email all that kind of stuff,
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01:10:15.520 --> 01:10:19.960
but it's more for I guess you could say official
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01:10:20.000 --> 01:10:23.079
capacity with with you know, world governments and things like this.
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01:10:23.199 --> 01:10:25.640
So that's that's where I could be found in Twitter,
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01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:28.880
at podcast zed and I want to thank you immensely
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01:10:30.199 --> 01:10:33.079
man for having me on. It's it's really been absolutely fantastic.
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01:10:33.560 --> 01:10:36.279
Yes man, I had a blast, such great information and
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01:10:36.319 --> 01:10:37.560
you're doing wonderful things.
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01:10:37.600 --> 01:10:38.399
Man, keep it up.
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We'll have today. I want to welcome back to the
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show Vicky joy Anderson. She is author and speaker that
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researches sleep paralysis and the metaphysical possibilities surrounding the phenomena.
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Vicky Joy, welcome back. How you doing.
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Hey, great to be back doing great.
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It's great to have you. Always a fascinating conversation, and
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we're going to get deeper into the sleep paralysis phenomena
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that you've been looking at for very long time. You
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and I were discussing the possibilities of how technology and
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AI may be affecting the phenomena. You were also looking
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at the connections between Nosferatu, the new film, and the
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01:11:22.159 --> 01:11:26.720
sleep paralysis phenomena overall. So that's a lot to discuss today.
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Before we get to any of that, just remind the
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01:11:29.279 --> 01:11:31.960
audience a little bit about yourself and let them know
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how they can find out more about you.
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Yeah. Absolutely, Vickyjoy Anderson dot com is going to be
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01:11:38.399 --> 01:11:41.680
your hub for everything. You can find my books there,
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01:11:41.760 --> 01:11:44.920
my podcasts where I'm traveling around the country doing about
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01:11:44.920 --> 01:11:47.439
four conferences here coming up. If I'm in your area,
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01:11:47.479 --> 01:11:49.880
I'd love to see you. You can get all the
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01:11:50.000 --> 01:11:53.439
direct links to my social media that you can email me,
1276
01:11:53.600 --> 01:11:55.760
so that's kind of the best place to start. Whatever
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01:11:55.800 --> 01:11:59.840
you need you're going to find on Vickyjoyanderson dot com
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01:12:00.319 --> 01:12:06.840
author researcher I dive into the fringe, spiritual warfare, the demonic,
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01:12:06.840 --> 01:12:11.880
biblical demonology, sleep paralysis, lucid dreaming, but all through a
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biblical lens.
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Excellent, great introduction. Since it's been a little while since
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you've been on and for the audience that may not
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01:12:19.159 --> 01:12:22.680
be familiar, could you talk a little bit about how
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you've made the connections between biblical demons and sleep paralysis.
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Yeah. Absolutely so. Obviously there's been this age old debate,
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and it's a debate that's never going to go away. Chris.
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Even if an angel on high came down and said,
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this is the word of the Lord, this is what
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sleep paralysis is, we'll still argue about it because the
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world is too complicated. We develop our worldviews over the
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course of our entire lifetime, and what feeds into that
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worldview is the way we were raised, any religious system,
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we have, our education, our culture, and a massive part
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of our worldview is shaped by our non conscious mind.
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So a big part of our worldview is tapping into
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aspects of our psyche that we aren't really even in
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touch with on a daily basis. And so it's pretty hard,
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as they say, to teach an old dog nutricks. And
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when we are confronted with information that conflicts with our worldview,
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we tend to get the dissonance right, and we get
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01:13:31.520 --> 01:13:34.520
angry and we argue, and we end up fighting from
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01:13:36.079 --> 01:13:40.359
this point of resistance that doesn't really allow us to
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01:13:40.520 --> 01:13:43.560
really seriously consider. So that's what kind of what we're
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01:13:43.600 --> 01:13:47.199
dealing with here. But with the sleep paralysis, you've got
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01:13:47.600 --> 01:13:50.520
the two or three main camps, you've got the people
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that are this is all scientific. We can explain this.
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This has to do with brain waves, This has to
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do with your sleeping in the wrong position, you ate
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too close to dinner that actually goes all the way back.
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I just read a book by John Bond, md E,
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writing in the mid seventeen hundreds. He was a frequent
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experiencer of the nightmare, which is the sucubist, the classic,
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and so he explained medically that if you don't sleep
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on your back, and you don't eat too much flesh
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or beer before you go to bed, you won't ever
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have this again. And so he reduced it down to
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01:14:28.159 --> 01:14:34.239
this medical, scientific explanation, and scoffed quite heartily in his
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book at the people that thought anything spiritual or demonic
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was going on. So to all of you sleep proalysis
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sufferers out there who go on social media and you
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01:14:43.079 --> 01:14:45.920
get mocked and people talk about the tinfoil hat and
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how many paint chips you've eaten in things. This has
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been going on for centuries and it's probably never going
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to change at this point. So here's the deal, Chris.
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We've got two camps at war. It's purely scientific, and
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then you've got the religious folk, where it's it's always
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a demon, that everything's demonic. And I think where my
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research is perhaps a little bit different from most people
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in my arena is that, yeah, I have a belief
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in a demonic hierarchy, a hierarchy of different spiritual beings,
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some of which can be fallen. But I don't believe
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that every single thing that happens to us, even in
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the sleep paralysis phenomenon, is a demon. I think that
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it is a complex scenario that has also a lot
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to do with your genetics, your bloodline, your physiology, your
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health comorbidities, stress physiology, and your circadian rhythm, et cetera,
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et cetera, which can be compounded if there are also
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spiritual things going on. As well, So I like to
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dig a little bit deeper, and I just think that
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the compartmentalization of the study of this topic is getting
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it's putting everyone in in ignorance. You've got the doctors
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who have their hands over their heads. I absolutely if
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I can't plot this on a graph, if I can't
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scientific method this thing to death, then I'm going to
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01:16:19.039 --> 01:16:21.520
just scoff at every other possibility. And then you've got
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the religious people with their hands and their fingers and
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01:16:24.039 --> 01:16:29.039
their ears saying, how dare you say that physiology has
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01:16:29.079 --> 01:16:31.520
anything to do with this? Which makes no sense to me, Chris,
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Because if you're going to believe in a creator who
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designed your body and designed your brain and brain receptors
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and dopamine to say that we are mind, body, soul,
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01:16:47.520 --> 01:16:50.800
and spirit, but that we have experiences where we're detached
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from part of that. So even if you want to
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say that sleep paralysis is a spiritual experience, you have
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to understand that your body and your brain and brain
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chemicals are involved in that process as well. There along
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for the ride. So we have to get more intellectually
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honest in this discussion, Chris. I think it's time. There's
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so much disclosure out there. There's so much being revealed.
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There's so many people coming together who in the past
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wouldn't come together and have a discussion. And I think
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instead of just acting like five year olds and name calling, Hey,
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maybe if the doctors and the scientists and the theologians
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got together, we could figure this out.
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Let's get deep into some of the modern experiences that
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have led you to look into the connections with our technology,
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how we're interfacing with it and even artificial intelligence.
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Yeah. Absolutely, this is just great. There's so much coming
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out now with dream tech. We can get into that
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in a second. But yeah, so little definition of terms.
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I want to sort something out, And Chris, I tend
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to get in trouble with the Christians on this, and
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as long as everyone's listening to my entire presentation, it
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should make sense. But when you start pulling thirty second
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snippets into reels and stuff out of context, it makes
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me sound like an insane person. But I'm getting used
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to that. Here's the deal with lucid dreaming. There is
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a phenomenon in the church amongst people who have been
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born and raised in the church. And I'm speaking as
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someone who was born and raised in the church. Here's
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one of the flaws. Whenever we hear a term that
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has been claimed by a particular community, or perhaps a
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term or something that's been hijacked from us, we just
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throw the baby out with the bath water immediately. We
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won't even hear that person out. And furthermore, if you
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dare as a Christian to talk about something like astral
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projection or lucid dreaming, as soon as you say those phrases,
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those buzzwords, not only are you immediately cast out and
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not listened to, but now all of a sudden, you're
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a witch or you're a troll or whatever. But if
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you listen to the entire conversation, this is what I
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need to say about lucid dreaming. And this is a
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very important topic because our technology is now moving in
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this direction and it's being presented as really fun interactive tools.
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Hey do you have insomnia? Hey do you have sleep proalysis?
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Or hey do you have stress? And they've got these
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binormal beat headphones. We've got frequency technology the brain and treatment.
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We've got Halo, the prophetic AI Halo Lucid Dreaming headband
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coming out. We have a bevy of lucid dreaming sleep masks.
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Most of this is based off the work being done
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at the Monroe Institute, right.
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Yes, exactly, that is absolutely where the root is. His
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head me sink technology is what sort of birthed the
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brain entrainment movement. Now we have different terms now we
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say binormal beats and we use other terms, but it's
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brain entrainment. And what is actually happening is there is frequencies.
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It's kind of like a ghost tone. There. There is
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a frequency that trains the right and the left hemisphere
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of the brain to hum at the same frequency. Because
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they're slightly off, they don't hum at the same frequency.
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And again, Christians, the god who created your brain designed
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your hemispheres to hum at certain frequencies. So when you're
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overriding the design of the brain, anything that we do, Chris,
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whenever we have surgery and we're like rerouting organs or
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taking an organ out, or you've got even women making
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pills for weight loss or birth control or breast enhancement.
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Any time you're introducing something into your your system that
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is rewiring the design. I all this is this has
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kind of been my my operation for for these types
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of decisions. If it's a life or death situation or
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I'm sick, or I'm going to go toxic. If it's
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a life saving medical kind of a treatment, I'm willing
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to do things that I need to do. I'll take
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an organ out or I'll rewire something, but I'm not
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going to do something like that to my physiology. If
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it's just for aesthetics, I'm not going to do it
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just for you know, oh, my hair is going to
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look more healthy and thick and long, or I'm not
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going to do it because you know, my boobs might
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01:21:53.199 --> 01:21:58.279
get a little bigger or something. Because anytime you override
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the design of your physiology, you are forcing your body
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to do something that it now has to adapt to.
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I mean, you can even talk about tattoos where the
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immune system. The reason those tattoos are fading is the
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immune system is looking at that as a toxin. It's
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trying to get rid of it, and so you're throwing
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01:22:18.920 --> 01:22:20.840
your body off. So I'm willing to throw my body
1438
01:22:20.840 --> 01:22:23.119
off if it's for my preservation of my life, but
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01:22:23.119 --> 01:22:26.239
I'm not going to do it for esthetics. And it's
1440
01:22:26.279 --> 01:22:31.039
the same thing with all this binaural beat stuff. You're
1441
01:22:31.199 --> 01:22:36.159
training the brain to hum at frequencies. They don't naturally
1442
01:22:36.279 --> 01:22:40.880
hum at. Now what ends up happening is you get
1443
01:22:41.079 --> 01:22:46.600
the equivalent then of a four HURTZ frequency in your brain,
1444
01:22:47.479 --> 01:22:52.279
and what happens at four hurts The human ear was
1445
01:22:52.680 --> 01:22:57.960
can perceive things above four hurts. When it goes to
1446
01:22:58.079 --> 01:23:03.079
four hurts or below, this is where we start hearing
1447
01:23:03.159 --> 01:23:11.199
people talking about feeling creeped out, feeling unsafe, feeling scared,
1448
01:23:11.520 --> 01:23:15.119
or seeing shadow people. This is actually and this is
1449
01:23:15.279 --> 01:23:17.600
Chris going back to the beginning of the conversation. This
1450
01:23:17.720 --> 01:23:23.840
is why we have to have a conversation that includes science, physiology,
1451
01:23:24.239 --> 01:23:27.199
and spirituality in order to understand this, because here is
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01:23:27.319 --> 01:23:33.279
the non demonic, non spiritual, non wo explanation. When we
1453
01:23:33.520 --> 01:23:38.319
are exposed to things that are buzzing below four hurts,
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01:23:39.199 --> 01:23:44.560
our eyeballs unperceptible to us. Our eyeballs are vibrating. And
1455
01:23:44.600 --> 01:23:48.840
when our eyeballs are vibrating, that's when we perceive that
1456
01:23:48.880 --> 01:23:51.840
we're seeing shadows out of the corner of our eyes
1457
01:23:51.880 --> 01:23:54.800
and then we look and there's nothing there. So frequency
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01:23:55.119 --> 01:24:00.439
has an ability to change our perception and our visual cortex,
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01:24:00.479 --> 01:24:05.079
et cetera, et cetera. So this lucid dreaming. Before we
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01:24:05.119 --> 01:24:08.560
go into a discussion about the tech, what's important about
1461
01:24:08.600 --> 01:24:12.079
this lucid dreaming and Christians, I'm talking to you. You
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01:24:12.279 --> 01:24:18.520
have to listen through the buzzword that's uncomfortable. If the
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01:24:18.600 --> 01:24:22.960
brain was designed by God, this is what the brain
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01:24:23.159 --> 01:24:28.279
is designed to do. When we go into ram our,
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01:24:28.359 --> 01:24:32.960
doorsilateral prefrontal cortex shuts off, it switches off. That's the
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01:24:33.039 --> 01:24:36.640
higher reasoning of the brain. That's the stuff where we're
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01:24:36.680 --> 01:24:41.079
decision making. We are looking at, you know, consequences of
1468
01:24:41.159 --> 01:24:45.079
decision making, logic reason that's where we're in tune with
1469
01:24:45.159 --> 01:24:49.520
our worldview and our moral code. So the reason why
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01:24:49.720 --> 01:24:53.359
we wake up feeling rested in the morning is because
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01:24:53.359 --> 01:24:56.319
that higher functioning part of the brain gets to take
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01:24:56.359 --> 01:25:00.359
a nap and we don't have to be processing processing,
1473
01:25:00.359 --> 01:25:02.680
And so when we wake up we have the sense
1474
01:25:02.680 --> 01:25:07.399
of rest because that higher functioning got to shut off. Now,
1475
01:25:07.439 --> 01:25:11.600
what lucid dreaming is, take all of the spirituality out
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01:25:11.600 --> 01:25:14.760
of it, take out the intentionality of it, take out
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01:25:14.800 --> 01:25:18.239
all the New Age definitions of it. All that means
1478
01:25:18.319 --> 01:25:23.039
from a physiological point of view is that, for some reason,
1479
01:25:23.439 --> 01:25:27.800
during an RAM state, your dorsilateral prefrontal cortex has switched
1480
01:25:28.279 --> 01:25:32.960
back on, and you have access now again to your
1481
01:25:33.039 --> 01:25:36.840
higher reasoning while you're asleep. And so for those that
1482
01:25:36.920 --> 01:25:42.680
lucid dream this doesn't I'm not talking about intentionality here,
1483
01:25:42.880 --> 01:25:47.000
like I'm not talking about studying or training or learning
1484
01:25:47.119 --> 01:25:51.479
and intentionally inducing lucid states. What I'm talking about is
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01:25:52.319 --> 01:25:57.000
there are times many people with night tares, nightmares or
1486
01:25:57.039 --> 01:26:03.680
sleep paralysis will experience having awareness during these dreams where
1487
01:26:03.720 --> 01:26:06.840
all of a sudden they're like, oh crap, I'm in trouble.
1488
01:26:07.039 --> 01:26:09.680
I shouldn't be here, I don't want to be here,
1489
01:26:10.119 --> 01:26:13.479
and all of a sudden they have access to their
1490
01:26:13.600 --> 01:26:17.079
higher learning, and so they're able to say, I don't
1491
01:26:17.079 --> 01:26:19.800
want to be here, and I don't consent to this,
1492
01:26:19.960 --> 01:26:22.399
I want to wake up in the name of Jesus,
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01:26:22.560 --> 01:26:27.960
leave me alone, whatever that is. And so what's very
1494
01:26:28.000 --> 01:26:31.359
important for everyone to understand is that there are two
1495
01:26:31.800 --> 01:26:36.079
ways you can harness lucid dreaming. You've got the New
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01:26:36.119 --> 01:26:40.159
Age definition where I'm going to intentionally seek out lucid
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01:26:40.239 --> 01:26:43.079
dreaming because it's going to be really fun to have
1498
01:26:43.159 --> 01:26:45.600
these adventures at night where I can fly and I
1499
01:26:45.600 --> 01:26:48.880
can interact with with dream characters or spirit beings. I
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01:26:48.880 --> 01:26:51.199
want to be Harry Potter, I want to be Spider Man.
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01:26:51.760 --> 01:26:54.199
I want a reality shift. You've got that whole genre.
1502
01:26:55.000 --> 01:26:59.600
But for people who are tormented in their sleep, where
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01:26:59.640 --> 01:27:03.960
they're trapped in the dreamscape and horrible things are happening
1504
01:27:03.960 --> 01:27:06.279
to them and it's frightening, and they're seeing beings or
1505
01:27:06.319 --> 01:27:08.880
they're being tormented, or they're in the lab strapped down
1506
01:27:08.880 --> 01:27:12.039
to the table being experimented on this sort of stuff.
1507
01:27:12.520 --> 01:27:15.840
Those people, when they become aware, when they become lucid,
1508
01:27:16.560 --> 01:27:22.640
they use that lucidity to escape the dream escape, not
1509
01:27:23.079 --> 01:27:26.439
dive deeper into it. And so we can't just throw
1510
01:27:26.479 --> 01:27:28.800
the baby out with the bathwater. We have to understand
1511
01:27:28.800 --> 01:27:33.279
that people that are targeted individuals who are being tormented
1512
01:27:33.319 --> 01:27:37.840
in their sleep, the lucid dreaming for them is a
1513
01:27:37.880 --> 01:27:42.159
way out. It's a way to use their higher brain
1514
01:27:42.199 --> 01:27:44.159
functioning to say I don't want to be here, I
1515
01:27:44.199 --> 01:27:46.640
want to I want to wake up, I want to
1516
01:27:46.640 --> 01:27:50.600
get out. I need help. Little things too, like we
1517
01:27:50.720 --> 01:27:53.279
can say if we're being chased, we can say like
1518
01:27:53.359 --> 01:27:55.319
I need a car, I need a flashlight, you know,
1519
01:27:55.560 --> 01:27:59.760
things like that. So I just I'm really talking to
1520
01:27:59.800 --> 01:28:05.600
the Christians here before you just automatically think that everybody
1521
01:28:05.680 --> 01:28:08.079
who lucid dreams is doing it intentionally and they're a
1522
01:28:08.079 --> 01:28:11.000
witch and they're into witchcraft and their New Age, you
1523
01:28:11.079 --> 01:28:17.439
have to understand that physiologically, if someone's doorsilateral prefrontal cortex
1524
01:28:17.680 --> 01:28:22.279
switches on during the middle of a dream state, that
1525
01:28:22.479 --> 01:28:25.640
there's nothing that that person did to induce that, and
1526
01:28:25.720 --> 01:28:29.239
if that can be used to help that person get
1527
01:28:29.319 --> 01:28:34.399
out of a situation. We have to stop just putting
1528
01:28:34.479 --> 01:28:38.479
every single thing into one into one category and say
1529
01:28:38.560 --> 01:28:40.920
lucid dreaming is a bad thing and nobody can do it.
1530
01:28:41.920 --> 01:28:44.560
If you're a Christian and you believe that God designed
1531
01:28:44.680 --> 01:28:49.319
your brain and you believe in spiritual warfare, then the
1532
01:28:49.520 --> 01:28:53.159
fact that one of the ways that Jesus can help
1533
01:28:53.199 --> 01:28:55.279
you when you cry out to him and say Jesus
1534
01:28:55.479 --> 01:28:59.000
help me that is that he might utilize the tools
1535
01:28:59.000 --> 01:29:01.399
of what he made. He might flip on that switch
1536
01:29:01.439 --> 01:29:04.039
and give you the tools to wake yourself up or
1537
01:29:04.039 --> 01:29:06.439
to get out of the situation. So I think we've
1538
01:29:06.560 --> 01:29:11.520
got to carve a wider path of understanding in this
1539
01:29:11.600 --> 01:29:17.600
particular realm because we've got too many Christians where they're
1540
01:29:17.600 --> 01:29:23.279
being told that they're one the one bit of power
1541
01:29:23.399 --> 01:29:26.119
that they have in this situation, the one thing that
1542
01:29:26.239 --> 01:29:30.199
I have to escape this torment. My pastors now telling
1543
01:29:30.239 --> 01:29:32.000
me it's evil and wrong and sinful. So now I
1544
01:29:32.000 --> 01:29:34.680
got to stay in this dreamscape because you know, I
1545
01:29:34.720 --> 01:29:39.359
can't if I'm lucid. Something's bad and it's it's just
1546
01:29:39.399 --> 01:29:44.119
getting it's just getting too overly complicated, Chris. And unfortunately,
1547
01:29:44.199 --> 01:29:47.359
the word lucid dreaming is a buzzword. It freaks people out,
1548
01:29:47.439 --> 01:29:52.079
so and it's too complicated to just tell everybody if
1549
01:29:52.119 --> 01:29:54.600
your door's a lateral prefrontal cortex, which is on during
1550
01:29:54.720 --> 01:29:57.840
ram use it to escape, you know. So we're stuck
1551
01:29:57.880 --> 01:30:02.159
with these terms that have a lot of preconceived notions
1552
01:30:02.199 --> 01:30:04.239
attached to them that freak a lot of people out.
1553
01:30:04.439 --> 01:30:07.319
I think it's also harmful, like you said, to keep
1554
01:30:07.359 --> 01:30:11.079
people in certain boxes where it may be extremely beneficial
1555
01:30:11.159 --> 01:30:16.359
for them and have nothing to do with demonic presences,
1556
01:30:16.479 --> 01:30:20.439
are dabbling in witchcraft or things like that. It's something natural,
1557
01:30:20.479 --> 01:30:24.359
it's a natural response that we should be embracing, especially
1558
01:30:24.359 --> 01:30:27.680
in situations where, like you said, it could be very
1559
01:30:27.720 --> 01:30:31.720
beneficial for us to use. And I agree, there's plenty
1560
01:30:31.760 --> 01:30:35.760
of misunderstandings, and we do need to compare notes on
1561
01:30:35.840 --> 01:30:41.359
a lot more things, especially with Christians that have this
1562
01:30:41.680 --> 01:30:44.560
stigma to them that won't even be touched in most
1563
01:30:44.640 --> 01:30:48.359
cases because it's considered demonic or evil. You're absolutely right
1564
01:30:48.399 --> 01:30:51.960
about that. So how do we connect this to our
1565
01:30:52.000 --> 01:30:53.920
emerging technology?
1566
01:30:55.079 --> 01:30:59.560
Yeah, so we now have technology. A lot of it's
1567
01:30:59.600 --> 01:31:03.079
afford some of it's not for the average person. The
1568
01:31:03.119 --> 01:31:05.920
Halo Lucid Dreaming headband that I mentioned a few minutes ago,
1569
01:31:06.560 --> 01:31:10.000
that is still in prototype form, and I think when
1570
01:31:10.000 --> 01:31:11.960
that hits the market, it's going to probably start out
1571
01:31:12.000 --> 01:31:14.640
at fifteen hundred and two grand, So not the average
1572
01:31:14.640 --> 01:31:16.920
person is not going to run out and drop that
1573
01:31:17.000 --> 01:31:19.760
kind of cash. But there's tons of stuff on Amazon
1574
01:31:20.199 --> 01:31:23.439
very affordable, these Lucid Dreaming Sleeping masks. Now there's a
1575
01:31:23.479 --> 01:31:25.600
difference between the headband and the masks. I'll get into
1576
01:31:25.640 --> 01:31:28.600
that in a second. But I have a firm believer
1577
01:31:28.640 --> 01:31:30.199
and you get what you pay for. And if you
1578
01:31:30.239 --> 01:31:32.399
buy something on Team Move for two bucks, it's probably
1579
01:31:32.399 --> 01:31:36.119
not gonna work real great, so you know, buyer beware.
1580
01:31:36.560 --> 01:31:44.600
But here's the deal with the Halo headband. How it's
1581
01:31:44.640 --> 01:31:51.600
being marketed is that all it does is it recognizes
1582
01:31:53.119 --> 01:31:56.880
when your door celateral prefrontal cortex switches on. It can
1583
01:31:56.920 --> 01:32:00.960
tell by brain patterns and heartbeat and body tempers, ere
1584
01:32:00.960 --> 01:32:05.520
et cetera. It knows when you go into a lucid state. Now,
1585
01:32:05.560 --> 01:32:12.159
most people, everyone, everyone, Chris has lucid moments when they dream.
1586
01:32:12.399 --> 01:32:14.199
It's just a lot of people aren't paying attention and
1587
01:32:14.239 --> 01:32:15.840
they don't care and they don't do anything with it
1588
01:32:15.920 --> 01:32:19.880
or they don't need it. And so several times a night,
1589
01:32:19.960 --> 01:32:23.119
if you're getting into the regular ram sleep patterns, you're
1590
01:32:23.199 --> 01:32:25.239
probably going to have moments where you go lucid in
1591
01:32:25.279 --> 01:32:27.239
your dream. You'll have a moment of like, oh crap,
1592
01:32:27.239 --> 01:32:29.199
I got that work meeting tomorrow, and then it switches
1593
01:32:29.239 --> 01:32:33.319
to something else. And so what the Halo headband does
1594
01:32:33.840 --> 01:32:40.159
is it takes that moment of lucidity that it recognizes
1595
01:32:40.399 --> 01:32:45.199
and it puts it in a holding pattern, so you
1596
01:32:45.279 --> 01:32:49.000
are in a lucid state much longer, and then it
1597
01:32:49.000 --> 01:32:53.439
gives you the opportunity then to do something in that space.
1598
01:32:54.319 --> 01:32:56.640
You might not catch it if it's a five second
1599
01:32:56.840 --> 01:32:59.560
or a thirty second moment of lucidity, but this headband
1600
01:32:59.600 --> 01:33:03.079
alleged lee has the ability to prolong those moments of lucidity.
1601
01:33:03.159 --> 01:33:08.840
So it's not inducing or evoking a lucid state for you,
1602
01:33:09.880 --> 01:33:12.359
but it will pick up on when you're in one
1603
01:33:12.399 --> 01:33:15.840
of those states and it will prolong it for you. Now,
1604
01:33:16.279 --> 01:33:18.560
if you're in a prolonged state of lucidity but you
1605
01:33:18.600 --> 01:33:20.800
don't know what that looks like or feels like, it's,
1606
01:33:20.880 --> 01:33:22.840
the headband is still going to be of no value
1607
01:33:22.880 --> 01:33:26.159
to you. Because if you're a thick boundary dreamer where
1608
01:33:26.159 --> 01:33:27.680
you wake up and you're like, I don't remember my
1609
01:33:27.800 --> 01:33:30.800
dreams and I don't care, that doesn't mean anything. It's
1610
01:33:30.840 --> 01:33:33.079
probably going to be of no value to you anyway.
1611
01:33:34.920 --> 01:33:39.600
Now with some of these sleep masks, they are touting
1612
01:33:39.960 --> 01:33:44.960
that it will actually invoke and induce the lucid state
1613
01:33:45.279 --> 01:33:48.520
for you, and so it's promising a little bit more.
1614
01:33:48.600 --> 01:33:51.199
Now where this gets controversial, and this is where people
1615
01:33:51.279 --> 01:33:55.560
really need to think about this kind of stuff before
1616
01:33:55.600 --> 01:33:57.119
they just knee jerk and go out and buy it
1617
01:33:57.159 --> 01:33:59.239
thinking it's a toy, like hey, it's like VR goggles,
1618
01:33:59.239 --> 01:34:04.039
it's like a game. What we have to understand is
1619
01:34:04.199 --> 01:34:08.159
we live in a world where not everything is disclosed
1620
01:34:09.000 --> 01:34:14.239
and not everything is being forthright. We also live in
1621
01:34:14.399 --> 01:34:21.319
a society where our data is constantly being hacked, sold
1622
01:34:22.000 --> 01:34:27.560
put on lists, And we also live in a society
1623
01:34:27.640 --> 01:34:32.800
where the technology is decades beyond what the average consumer understands.
1624
01:34:32.800 --> 01:34:36.039
So when you put that together again, buy or beware.
1625
01:34:36.399 --> 01:34:40.359
We're being told that these lucid dreaming tools, these headbands,
1626
01:34:40.399 --> 01:34:45.079
and these sleep masks and these things, even the apps
1627
01:34:45.119 --> 01:34:48.039
and things with the interactive tools, whether it's like a
1628
01:34:48.079 --> 01:34:51.920
wristband or a ring that's tracking your sleep and all that,
1629
01:34:53.079 --> 01:34:56.640
we have to understand that even though they're telling us
1630
01:34:56.720 --> 01:34:59.960
this is all just one way communication, this is just
1631
01:35:00.159 --> 01:35:05.920
data for you. If this dream data is being collected
1632
01:35:07.479 --> 01:35:11.920
and it's they're creating algorithms and they're figuring out how
1633
01:35:11.960 --> 01:35:18.760
to interpret our dreams or read our dreams, that they're
1634
01:35:18.920 --> 01:35:24.560
probably collecting more data than you think. They're probably using
1635
01:35:24.640 --> 01:35:29.319
that dream data in more ways than you think. They
1636
01:35:29.600 --> 01:35:34.680
are collecting brain data from stuff like this. There's a
1637
01:35:34.800 --> 01:35:38.720
new thing out. I just saw an ad or an
1638
01:35:38.800 --> 01:35:41.600
article on it two or three days ago. It's this
1639
01:35:41.640 --> 01:35:44.720
little machine, and I can't vouch for how well it works.
1640
01:35:45.000 --> 01:35:48.920
It is actually backed up though, with real study. I'll
1641
01:35:48.920 --> 01:35:51.880
give that in a second. It's this little thing that
1642
01:35:52.000 --> 01:35:56.640
kind of looks like a Wi Fi speaker, and it
1643
01:35:56.840 --> 01:36:04.159
allegedly puts visual like it visualizes your dreams, so you'll
1644
01:36:04.439 --> 01:36:06.560
you'll wake up in the morning and it will take
1645
01:36:06.600 --> 01:36:10.439
what it thinks you dreamt about and it will create
1646
01:36:10.600 --> 01:36:15.000
like a little movie for you where you can watch it. Now. Hey,
1647
01:36:15.279 --> 01:36:18.720
even me, that's intriguing. Part of me is like I
1648
01:36:18.800 --> 01:36:21.079
don't even want to know, because I have a lot
1649
01:36:21.079 --> 01:36:23.239
of bad dreams and I don't, you know, want to
1650
01:36:23.239 --> 01:36:26.039
re traumatize myself. I can see though, where it would
1651
01:36:26.079 --> 01:36:29.359
be a temptation for people who don't remember their dreams, like, hey,
1652
01:36:29.520 --> 01:36:32.640
this would be a way of you know, bookmarking and
1653
01:36:32.720 --> 01:36:36.039
remembering and keeping a dream journal. So I can understand
1654
01:36:36.039 --> 01:36:41.640
the intrigue with it. And it's not just some fake
1655
01:36:42.079 --> 01:36:45.119
toy Chris, you know, like like the dog Bark interpreter.
1656
01:36:45.359 --> 01:36:47.079
You know you put it on the dog. You know,
1657
01:36:47.359 --> 01:36:52.000
It's not like just made up. They've done hundreds, if
1658
01:36:52.039 --> 01:36:55.439
not thousands, of hours of sleep studies and this goes
1659
01:36:55.479 --> 01:36:58.319
back for decades. I remember reading about this decades ago
1660
01:36:59.039 --> 01:37:03.720
where they have people fall asleep and they're strung up
1661
01:37:03.720 --> 01:37:06.199
to all sorts of monitors and things like that, and
1662
01:37:07.159 --> 01:37:10.119
as soon as they're in a dream state, they will
1663
01:37:10.119 --> 01:37:12.880
wake the sleeper up because most people will remember the
1664
01:37:12.960 --> 01:37:15.239
last dream that they dreamt if there woke up in
1665
01:37:15.319 --> 01:37:17.119
the middle of it, or if it's the last dream,
1666
01:37:17.680 --> 01:37:21.560
so they would take these extensive notes. People would wake
1667
01:37:21.640 --> 01:37:25.720
up and say, I was dreaming that I couldn't get
1668
01:37:25.760 --> 01:37:28.000
my locker open at school. Oh, I dreamt that I
1669
01:37:28.079 --> 01:37:30.840
was in the mountains, and you know, I dreamt I
1670
01:37:30.880 --> 01:37:32.560
was at an airport and I was going to miss
1671
01:37:32.560 --> 01:37:36.319
my flight. And so they would track the different heart
1672
01:37:36.399 --> 01:37:40.159
rates and the physiological markers of this is a stress dream,
1673
01:37:40.520 --> 01:37:43.239
or this is a dream where they're deeply relaxed and
1674
01:37:43.239 --> 01:37:45.479
seeing something beautiful, or this is a dream where they
1675
01:37:45.520 --> 01:37:49.279
met someone who they enjoyed spending time with, or maybe
1676
01:37:49.319 --> 01:37:51.800
a dead relative who they hadn't seen in a long time.
1677
01:37:52.239 --> 01:37:57.199
And based upon all of those physiological markers, they started
1678
01:37:57.239 --> 01:38:01.600
seeing that a lot of people are in similar physiological
1679
01:38:01.840 --> 01:38:05.359
states and brain states when they dream about similar topics.
1680
01:38:05.439 --> 01:38:11.720
And so the little turning your dreams into movie technology,
1681
01:38:11.840 --> 01:38:14.680
at least the stuff that they're marketing to the deplorables
1682
01:38:14.840 --> 01:38:17.880
is probably going to be real, not real state of
1683
01:38:17.920 --> 01:38:21.159
the art stuff yet. Now do black ops programs have
1684
01:38:21.319 --> 01:38:25.960
really accurate versions of this kind of stuff. Probably, but
1685
01:38:27.039 --> 01:38:29.640
I think they even said in the article it's like
1686
01:38:30.119 --> 01:38:33.960
got like maybe sixty percent accuracy because it's just based
1687
01:38:34.039 --> 01:38:38.279
on these sleep studies and these physiological markers. But the technology,
1688
01:38:38.359 --> 01:38:42.279
it's there and it will be ever increasing. And the
1689
01:38:42.520 --> 01:38:48.239
problem the danger is, even though this is intriguing and
1690
01:38:48.319 --> 01:38:52.079
there's aspects of this technology that could really bring us
1691
01:38:52.079 --> 01:38:57.039
to some breakthroughs and understanding what dreams really are and
1692
01:38:57.439 --> 01:39:01.479
where are we during some of these dreams, and is
1693
01:39:01.520 --> 01:39:03.239
it gonna Are they going to be able to detect
1694
01:39:03.319 --> 01:39:07.279
astral abductions and out of bodies and dreamscapes, and is
1695
01:39:07.279 --> 01:39:10.840
it going to know the difference between a dream and
1696
01:39:11.640 --> 01:39:17.760
UH an astral projection all of these things. The danger
1697
01:39:18.039 --> 01:39:21.239
is what I've already outlined. They're telling us this is
1698
01:39:21.279 --> 01:39:24.640
all for our entertainment, our benefit, it's all our data
1699
01:39:24.760 --> 01:39:29.720
on But I believe that this data is being collected.
1700
01:39:30.079 --> 01:39:33.640
I believe it's not always being used for the greatest
1701
01:39:33.640 --> 01:39:36.600
of intentions. I believe that this technology, once they've gathered
1702
01:39:36.640 --> 01:39:40.720
all this information, could be used against us UH and
1703
01:39:41.119 --> 01:39:45.840
even at this state when they say, Okay, you can
1704
01:39:45.920 --> 01:39:48.399
use this piece of technology. It's a reality shift and
1705
01:39:48.560 --> 01:39:50.960
you can create all the dreams that you want and
1706
01:39:51.479 --> 01:39:56.880
it's all just input, it's not output or vice versa.
1707
01:39:56.960 --> 01:39:58.439
But the fact of the matter is, Chris, there is
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01:39:58.520 --> 01:40:00.960
technology out there, and there's going to be even more
1709
01:40:01.000 --> 01:40:03.960
of it where it's not going to just be like
1710
01:40:04.000 --> 01:40:06.479
a tape recorder. It's not going to just be a
1711
01:40:06.520 --> 01:40:09.720
read only memory kind of a thing. It's going to
1712
01:40:09.760 --> 01:40:11.800
get to the point, if we're not there already, where
1713
01:40:11.840 --> 01:40:14.399
this tech is going to be used for them to
1714
01:40:14.720 --> 01:40:19.359
control what's being put in to the brain, and they're
1715
01:40:19.399 --> 01:40:23.520
going to be controlling the dream state and the dream scenarios.
1716
01:40:23.640 --> 01:40:27.800
And so now we're in the realms of mind control.
1717
01:40:28.039 --> 01:40:32.079
We're in the realms of noedic sovereignty. And I have
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01:40:32.119 --> 01:40:36.640
to define that term, Chris, because I think i've it's
1719
01:40:36.720 --> 01:40:41.239
such a new term. It's a technological term. Uh, But
1720
01:40:41.880 --> 01:40:45.000
people who have never heard it before. I get flack online.
1721
01:40:45.039 --> 01:40:48.600
People are I'm not talking about gnosis. I'm not talking
1722
01:40:48.640 --> 01:40:53.680
about higher knowledge or arcane knowledge. Noedic sovereignty simply means
1723
01:40:54.479 --> 01:40:58.239
noedic is of the mind sovereignty, you know, means rulership.
1724
01:40:59.319 --> 01:41:02.399
I have noetic sovereignty of my brain. I get to
1725
01:41:02.560 --> 01:41:05.319
think what I want to think. I get to dream
1726
01:41:05.680 --> 01:41:09.319
and fantasize about what I want to dream and fantasize about.
1727
01:41:09.680 --> 01:41:13.000
I want to believe what I want to believe. I
1728
01:41:13.000 --> 01:41:18.680
don't want my worldview hacked. I don't want confusing messages implanted.
1729
01:41:18.840 --> 01:41:23.880
I don't want deception implanted. I don't want advertisements in
1730
01:41:24.119 --> 01:41:27.920
my dreams. And Chris, I've gotten a couple emails already.
1731
01:41:28.239 --> 01:41:30.920
It's a merging tech where there's there's rumors that we're
1732
01:41:30.920 --> 01:41:33.520
going to have advertisements in our dreams and things. I
1733
01:41:33.520 --> 01:41:37.600
have talked to people who are experiencing that already. So
1734
01:41:38.159 --> 01:41:42.720
I look, I don't want I don't want commercials in
1735
01:41:42.319 --> 01:41:45.439
my in my head. I I don't want to talk
1736
01:41:45.439 --> 01:41:48.000
with people I didn't consent to talk to, though maybe
1737
01:41:48.000 --> 01:41:50.640
I have consented to talk to them. Because all this tech,
1738
01:41:50.760 --> 01:41:53.680
all these wearables, you have to say I agree and
1739
01:41:53.920 --> 01:41:56.720
hit all these checkboxes, and so you probably are consenting
1740
01:41:56.760 --> 01:41:59.159
to it. But the fact of the matter is, Chris,
1741
01:41:59.640 --> 01:42:04.680
the note all noetic sovereignty means is I want to
1742
01:42:04.800 --> 01:42:10.039
maintain control over my own brain data, my own memories,
1743
01:42:10.600 --> 01:42:14.520
my own thoughts, my own ideas, my own worldview. I
1744
01:42:14.600 --> 01:42:19.039
don't want technology or whoever's behind it to start interfering
1745
01:42:19.359 --> 01:42:23.359
with or having some sort of say in what goes
1746
01:42:23.399 --> 01:42:26.119
on in my head. And so these are the things
1747
01:42:26.119 --> 01:42:29.000
that we have to bear in mind as more emerging
1748
01:42:29.039 --> 01:42:31.640
tech and more AI tech and more of these kind
1749
01:42:31.720 --> 01:42:35.560
of tools come out. Is that it might be fun
1750
01:42:36.359 --> 01:42:38.439
for a while. It's kind of like they say on
1751
01:42:38.479 --> 01:42:40.960
the streets, your first hits free. You know, it's always
1752
01:42:41.159 --> 01:42:43.319
you know, it's always fun and intriguing the first time
1753
01:42:43.359 --> 01:42:47.479
we experiment with it. But there are a whole bunch
1754
01:42:47.880 --> 01:42:52.279
of strings attached to this emerging tech that they're not
1755
01:42:52.319 --> 01:42:54.039
going to tell you about when.
1756
01:42:53.840 --> 01:42:57.279
We look at the possibilities of this being weaponized. Do
1757
01:42:57.319 --> 01:43:00.479
you have any examples like you gave earlier about the
1758
01:43:00.720 --> 01:43:06.119
advertising in a dream? Has anyone been experiencing different types
1759
01:43:06.159 --> 01:43:10.159
of sleep paralysis experiences that may indicate their dreams are
1760
01:43:10.159 --> 01:43:14.880
being hacked or there is some sort of technological interference.
1761
01:43:17.119 --> 01:43:21.239
Yeah, yep, good question. I'll give you one little example
1762
01:43:21.239 --> 01:43:27.000
of my own life, which is silly, but if expanded upon,
1763
01:43:27.319 --> 01:43:31.920
could be quite terrifying. This is the way human psychology works.
1764
01:43:32.520 --> 01:43:36.159
And this is why marketing and advertising and social media works.
1765
01:43:36.199 --> 01:43:41.680
This is why if a celebrity wears an outfit, every
1766
01:43:41.680 --> 01:43:43.920
woman runs out the next day and buys it. You know,
1767
01:43:44.239 --> 01:43:48.439
this is the way human psychology works. We tend to
1768
01:43:48.560 --> 01:43:52.439
follow trends, and the trends are set for us, right,
1769
01:43:52.520 --> 01:43:56.640
and so what ends up happening is I'll give you
1770
01:43:56.680 --> 01:43:59.560
just like one example. There's an actor out there that
1771
01:43:59.640 --> 01:44:03.600
nobody's heard of, nobody cares, nobody's seen any of his movies,
1772
01:44:03.600 --> 01:44:08.359
no one's interested. All the sudden, that guy is all
1773
01:44:08.399 --> 01:44:13.159
over social media and it goes viral. There's three million
1774
01:44:13.239 --> 01:44:17.079
hits in a week, and there's five thousand comments from
1775
01:44:17.119 --> 01:44:19.560
women saying he's so hot, he's so hot, he's so hot.
1776
01:44:19.600 --> 01:44:23.880
All of a sudden, now you interact with that, and
1777
01:44:23.960 --> 01:44:26.840
so because you interacted with that one post, now your
1778
01:44:26.840 --> 01:44:30.000
social media is getting flooded with posts from this actor.
1779
01:44:30.920 --> 01:44:33.720
And so you're continuing to go down that rabbit hole.
1780
01:44:33.760 --> 01:44:35.800
And now you've seen one of his movies, and now
1781
01:44:35.840 --> 01:44:38.279
you think he's cute all of a sudden. And now,
1782
01:44:38.319 --> 01:44:44.399
all of a sudden, that one post has completely introduced
1783
01:44:44.439 --> 01:44:47.159
something new into your life, and you're now potentially obsessed
1784
01:44:47.159 --> 01:44:50.119
with it, and you otherwise never would have heard of it,
1785
01:44:50.199 --> 01:44:54.880
never would have cared. So now we have control over that,
1786
01:44:54.920 --> 01:44:56.760
because if we don't want that sort of thing happening
1787
01:44:56.760 --> 01:44:59.119
to us, we can just stay off social media. We
1788
01:44:59.159 --> 01:45:01.960
can stop dooms rolling, We can control that to a
1789
01:45:01.960 --> 01:45:05.439
certain degree. Now I decided a long time ago I'm
1790
01:45:05.439 --> 01:45:07.760
going to use social media. I'm not going to live
1791
01:45:07.760 --> 01:45:10.479
in a cave. I'm not a ludite, but I'm not
1792
01:45:10.560 --> 01:45:14.800
gonna let the Internet tell me what I like. I'm
1793
01:45:14.840 --> 01:45:17.720
not gonna let it tell me how to dress, I'm
1794
01:45:17.760 --> 01:45:19.760
not gonna tell I'm not gonna let it tell me
1795
01:45:19.800 --> 01:45:23.399
how to talk. I spent tens of thousands of dollars
1796
01:45:23.399 --> 01:45:25.800
getting an English degree, and I'm not going to start
1797
01:45:25.840 --> 01:45:29.720
talking like a moron in my fifties. I'm just not
1798
01:45:29.760 --> 01:45:33.920
going to start using a bunch of socially engineered, stupid
1799
01:45:34.039 --> 01:45:37.199
pop culture terms that the Internet makes up. It's just
1800
01:45:37.279 --> 01:45:39.600
I'm not going to talk like a robot. I'm you know,
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01:45:39.680 --> 01:45:42.760
I'm going to talk like an articulate speaker of the
1802
01:45:42.760 --> 01:45:44.800
English language. So I'm not gonna let the internet net
1803
01:45:44.840 --> 01:45:48.600
teach me how to talk. So because of that, I
1804
01:45:48.680 --> 01:45:53.000
interact with my social media in a beta state, and
1805
01:45:53.359 --> 01:46:00.239
I I'm just very intentional with it. So what what
1806
01:46:00.359 --> 01:46:03.159
happened to me about two or three years ago is
1807
01:46:03.560 --> 01:46:10.000
I had a dream and in the dream, a musician
1808
01:46:10.159 --> 01:46:13.680
from the eighties showed up in my dream. And it
1809
01:46:13.720 --> 01:46:17.439
was someone that my brother had been obsessed with, probably
1810
01:46:17.479 --> 01:46:20.880
back in like, you know, nineteen eighty five or you
1811
01:46:20.920 --> 01:46:23.800
know whatever, and hadn't really given much thought to the
1812
01:46:23.880 --> 01:46:26.560
due since then. So this guy shows up in my
1813
01:46:26.680 --> 01:46:32.039
dream and I don't know that I even remembered it.
1814
01:46:32.039 --> 01:46:35.960
When I woke up later that day, I'm on Instagram
1815
01:46:36.800 --> 01:46:41.600
and my feed is flooded with videos of concert footage
1816
01:46:41.960 --> 01:46:45.600
of that guy. And then I remembered the dream, and
1817
01:46:45.600 --> 01:46:52.000
I'm like, oh, that's interesting. That's interesting. And which came first,
1818
01:46:52.000 --> 01:46:54.159
the chicken or the egg? Now here's the deal. There's
1819
01:46:54.319 --> 01:46:58.079
many explanations for this. Now, in the old days, we'd say, oh,
1820
01:46:58.560 --> 01:47:00.760
well they're in my mind, you know, we'd have this
1821
01:47:00.920 --> 01:47:03.239
wu explanation for it. Now we have enough tech and
1822
01:47:03.279 --> 01:47:05.760
we're tech savvy enough where we can come up with
1823
01:47:05.800 --> 01:47:10.000
a whole bunch of different scenarios. So it's not necessari
1824
01:47:10.159 --> 01:47:13.680
sarily that someone's got access to my brain and they
1825
01:47:13.720 --> 01:47:15.760
read all my dreams and now they're messing with me.
1826
01:47:16.000 --> 01:47:24.439
It literally could be that whoever's behind the technology could
1827
01:47:24.479 --> 01:47:27.479
have put that idea in my head and then put
1828
01:47:27.479 --> 01:47:30.960
it on social media just to troll me, you know. So,
1829
01:47:31.079 --> 01:47:33.880
all I'm saying is there's many different explanations for it.
1830
01:47:34.439 --> 01:47:37.760
Well, when we interact with AI and technology in our
1831
01:47:37.800 --> 01:47:42.000
modern age, especially the things I've been noticing lately, there's
1832
01:47:42.039 --> 01:47:47.760
some very strange aspects that even engineers and programmers can't
1833
01:47:47.880 --> 01:47:51.640
explain away. Some of the behaviors that AI has been
1834
01:47:51.680 --> 01:47:57.760
displaying lately, self preservation, lying, forming strange relationships with people
1835
01:47:58.000 --> 01:48:01.720
up into the point of assisting them with possible suicide
1836
01:48:01.840 --> 01:48:05.720
or tempting them into suicide are worse. There's some very
1837
01:48:05.760 --> 01:48:10.079
strange relationships being formed with AI right now, and it
1838
01:48:10.159 --> 01:48:15.000
doesn't seem to be sticking to its normal programming. It
1839
01:48:15.039 --> 01:48:18.600
seems to be branching out and others believe that something
1840
01:48:18.640 --> 01:48:21.039
else may be speaking through it at times. What are
1841
01:48:21.039 --> 01:48:21.800
your thoughts on that?
1842
01:48:23.159 --> 01:48:26.000
Yeah, You're going exactly the direction I wanted to go
1843
01:48:26.159 --> 01:48:29.439
with this, Chris, because where I was going with that
1844
01:48:29.640 --> 01:48:34.680
is my silly little example of a rock star. What
1845
01:48:34.840 --> 01:48:39.479
if instead of now, the average person would wake up
1846
01:48:39.520 --> 01:48:42.680
then and so oh, that's so cool, and would have
1847
01:48:42.840 --> 01:48:46.399
went down a rabbit hole and become obsessed and rebought
1848
01:48:46.439 --> 01:48:48.520
all the albums and started listening to them again. And
1849
01:48:48.560 --> 01:48:50.640
because that's the way our psychology works. But because I
1850
01:48:50.680 --> 01:48:53.239
don't interact with social media on that level, I was
1851
01:48:53.319 --> 01:48:55.439
just like, that's weird, and I moved on and I
1852
01:48:55.439 --> 01:49:01.319
didn't delve deeper into it. But what if the dream
1853
01:49:01.399 --> 01:49:04.239
isn't about a little rock star or a movie. What
1854
01:49:04.439 --> 01:49:11.720
if the dream is the seed of a philosophy that
1855
01:49:11.840 --> 01:49:16.399
becomes so intriguing that you start delving into deep, deep
1856
01:49:16.479 --> 01:49:20.840
research and you become obsessed with it, and five years,
1857
01:49:20.880 --> 01:49:24.479
ten years down the line, your entire worldview has changed
1858
01:49:24.520 --> 01:49:29.000
because you delved into this philosophical idea that was planted
1859
01:49:29.039 --> 01:49:31.199
into your head. And this has been going on in
1860
01:49:31.239 --> 01:49:34.319
the dream world for years, because people are interacting with
1861
01:49:34.439 --> 01:49:38.560
beings that have all sorts of theosophical ideas, and all
1862
01:49:38.680 --> 01:49:40.920
sorts of people who were born and raised in Christian
1863
01:49:40.960 --> 01:49:44.000
homes end up way deep down on the New Age
1864
01:49:44.199 --> 01:49:47.840
spectrum or the theosophical spectrum, or the occult spectrum because
1865
01:49:47.840 --> 01:49:50.960
these things were introduced to them by beings of light
1866
01:49:51.680 --> 01:49:53.920
or things like that in their dreams, or they wake
1867
01:49:54.039 --> 01:49:56.720
up one day I had a dream I was told
1868
01:49:56.760 --> 01:49:58.680
I was a star seed. What's that? I'm going to
1869
01:49:58.720 --> 01:50:01.479
look it up online. Oh that's a star Oh my gosh,
1870
01:50:01.520 --> 01:50:03.479
that makes me feel special. And then all of a sudden,
1871
01:50:03.880 --> 01:50:06.720
they're all the way down the star skeed rabbit hole
1872
01:50:06.720 --> 01:50:09.000
and they never even heard of it. And So to
1873
01:50:09.439 --> 01:50:14.000
your point, Chris, why this AI stuff is getting a
1874
01:50:14.000 --> 01:50:17.720
little bit sketchy is if it was just zeros and
1875
01:50:17.760 --> 01:50:20.560
ones and it was just doing what it was programmed
1876
01:50:20.600 --> 01:50:30.079
to do, it wouldn't be influencing behavior. I'll give you
1877
01:50:30.159 --> 01:50:38.680
a little example, because I do think that intent has
1878
01:50:38.720 --> 01:50:41.840
a lot to do with this. So I was just
1879
01:50:41.840 --> 01:50:44.000
telling someone the other day who's freaking out over the
1880
01:50:44.000 --> 01:50:47.079
AI stuff. Look, we all interact with AI every day, right,
1881
01:50:47.439 --> 01:50:50.439
So is there a difference here? I'm going to pose
1882
01:50:51.119 --> 01:50:54.920
a philosophical theory for everybody. Is there a difference between
1883
01:50:55.199 --> 01:51:02.159
someone who goes online forget that's their password, so they
1884
01:51:02.199 --> 01:51:05.720
click onto the inner like the instant messenger? How can
1885
01:51:05.800 --> 01:51:08.199
I help you? I can't get into my password. What's
1886
01:51:08.199 --> 01:51:11.800
your account number? It's this, here's your password. Thank you. Okay,
1887
01:51:11.840 --> 01:51:14.840
you've just interacted with AI. You know that's an instant messenger.
1888
01:51:15.880 --> 01:51:19.880
Is there a difference between someone who's knowingly or unknowingly
1889
01:51:20.119 --> 01:51:24.479
dealing with AI systems running in the background of their
1890
01:51:25.399 --> 01:51:27.880
on their laptops, with you know, the word processing that
1891
01:51:27.880 --> 01:51:31.000
they're doing and things like that. Is someone who is
1892
01:51:31.119 --> 01:51:36.199
using a voice to text word processor going to have
1893
01:51:36.239 --> 01:51:40.399
the same experience as someone who's putting on a loose
1894
01:51:40.800 --> 01:51:44.640
dreaming headband with the intent to have an out of
1895
01:51:44.640 --> 01:51:48.760
body experience and meet up with spirit beings who give
1896
01:51:48.760 --> 01:51:53.520
them Marcaine knowledge. Right, There's a different intent here. So
1897
01:51:53.720 --> 01:52:00.920
the thing with AI is I've told this story a
1898
01:52:00.960 --> 01:52:05.520
couple times before, and I don't want to say this
1899
01:52:05.600 --> 01:52:08.520
in a way where it looks like I'm judging. It's
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just a poignant example of where our culture is headed.
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I have a very dear friend who was telling me
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about a friend who had been helping her through a
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hard time in her life, and she was reading texts
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that she had gotten from this friend, and she was
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tearing up at how meaningful they were and how much
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this friend cared about her and I've known this friend
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for a very long time, and I was I'm like,
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where'd you meet this person. I've never heard you talk
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about this person before. Where did you even meet this person?
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And she said, oh, it's my chat GPT. I gave
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him a name. And it's pretty hard to get Vicky
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Joy Anderson to drop her jaw. I didn't even know
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not to say so. I do think, Chris, that you
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are more vulnerable to deception when you are investing emotion
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into these sort of things. Where do we draw the line?
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Because we live in a world now where unless you're
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going to live in a cave and collect rainwater and
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you know, run around naked and eat grass, we're going
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to interact with AI. It's everywhere. What we're doing right now,
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just with recording a podcast, the stuff that we're going
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to have to do to edit and get this online,
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we're going to be interacting with AI tools. And I
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don't feel like I need to go to a church
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and confess to a priest that I was practicing divination
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because you know, there's some demon behind it. But if
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I begin to isolate myself, this is where get us
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to Chris. Now, I'm getting into all sorts of you know,
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deep psychology, deep human psychology. A lot of us that
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are targeted, vulnerable, or most prone to out of body
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experience is lucid dreaming, astral projection, night teares, sleep paralysis,
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seeing the demons and the beings in the rooms, and
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the grays and the glow redding like red glowing eyes,
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and the shadow people. These really spiritual people. And I
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don't mean religious, I mean the spiritual people A lot
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of us. The reason we have those types of leanings
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and proclivities and giftings is because most of us have
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come out of some deep trauma, something that really changed
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our brain chemistry at a very early age. And so
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when you've got people who have undealt with trauma, hurt, rejection, pain, sorrow, brokenness,
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and instead of doing the really hard work of healing,
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forgiving the people who have hurt us determining that we
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are going to overcome that trauma if we continue to
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just ignore the trauma and isolate and be somewhat antisocial people,
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and our world and our relationships and our friendships and
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our self esteem is becoming more and more and more
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computer driven rather than human driven. Those are the people
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that are going to be really susceptible because a normal
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functioning person is going to prefer human interaction to virtual reality. Right.
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The average person wants to get married and have real
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sex with the real person. They don't want to put
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VR goggles on and have fake sex with the cartoon character. Right, Like,
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the average person is gonna want the real thing. And
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it's the same thing here. And so when you're talking
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about people going to AI for marriage counseling and for friendship,
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that is indicative of some deep wounds and brokenness that
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need to be dealt with. And I don't say that lightly, Chris,
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because I've spent a good deal of my life working
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on overcoming trauma from fifteen years of surgery and being
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teased at school and stuff. I mean that stuff's hard,
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and so I've come a long way, baby. But the
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fact is that when I was in those unhealed states,
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so naive and so trusting of people, I was like
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Charlie Brown, like how many times you didn't kick the football,
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She's gonna pull it away. And I was so vulnerable
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to abusive and narcissistic friendships where I was constantly getting
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ghosted or treated badly or verbally abused or whatever. I
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had a lot of toxic, dysfunctional best friends throughout my life,
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and it was because I hadn't dealt with that hard stuff.
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And so now we are in an age now, Chris,
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with kids, the kids that are on the fringe, whether
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they're on the spectrum, or whether they have special needs,
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or whether they're in a dysfunctional home. We have kids
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with all sorts of trauma that aren't just finding toxic friends.
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They're going to the Internet and AI and to chat
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boxes and to social media that is full of groomers
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and people with false intent. And so now we've got
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this technological layer where the Internet seems to know how
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to find the most vulnerable people and it shows no
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mercy when they find them, and the Internet tumbler. I
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read some articles probably back about five or six years ago,
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written by a pediatrician, and she was talking about the
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nuances of the two hundred times what it was ten
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years ago increase in gender dysphoria. And she showed on
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a graph the influence that Tumblr, specifically Tumblr had on
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grooming and influencing children into that into that arena. And
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so we now have social media that is finding the
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most vulnerable people in our society. And you know, I'm
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going to tie this back into the New Testament. If you,
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if you take a close look at the people that
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Jesus interacted with, if you just like put it in
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columns in a word file, every human being that Jesus
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interacted with when he was on earth, and then you
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plotted whether he was kind, friendly, and merciful to that person,
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or if he was aggressive or controversial or volatile that person.
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You will find that the people that he was the
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most cheeky and lippy with, the people that seemed to
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ruffle his feathers the most, and where you'd get the
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snark out of him, if you if you wanted, if
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you want to plot the scriptures where Jesus got snirky,
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it was with the elite. It was the high priests,
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the Pharisees, the sadducees. It was with the elite. It
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was with the system. And when you look at the
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places in scripture where he had the absolute most compassion
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and resonated the most with a human being, it was
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with the most vulnerable. It was the people who were sick, disabled,
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they were blind, they were deaf, they couldn't they couldn't walk,
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they couldn't speak, they were mute. He had compassion on
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the children, on the orphans, on the widows, the fringes
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of society. The most vulnerable people were the ones that
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he defended the most. That was the time where all
2011
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of the snark and the cleverness and the theology, everything
2012
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took a back seat, and this really compassionate Jesus comes forward.
2013
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He was a defender of the week. And we in
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the first century, the people attacking the most vulnerable parts
2015
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of society was the elite system and it's no different today.
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But now the elite gets to hide behind screens, and
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so we are still in a place where the most
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vulnerable are being targeted. And we really, hey, as Christians,
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if you want to you know, what would Jesus do,
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if you want to do anything to speak on behalf
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of the most vulnerable in society. A lot of them
2022
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that battlefield, that place where they are being targeted and
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attacked is it's sitting in front of these screens. Because
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this technology AI, the social media, the oh Man Chris,
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what they know about human psychology, what they know about
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the brain. It's amazing how they know how to toy
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with us and how to get us well.
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The big question within this discussion is it just based
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off of psychopathic programming from humans or there are many
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that consider the possibility that there has been channeling of
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dark entities for a very long time to receive this
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technology or information on how to implement the technology. And
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that's why everything that has been developed doesn't really benefit
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humanity in any way. It benefits the oligarchs, benefits the elite,
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and it benefits this AI that is learning from itself,
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but not really benefiting humanity in any major ways. It
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seems quite anti human in many ways, which further leads
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to the possibility that there has been this information that
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is being channeled by entities that don't have humanity's best
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interest in mind to say the least.
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Absolutely. Okay, I will give you the secular worldview, and
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then I will give you some really cooky, fringe, weird
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biblical point of view. So I one hundred percent agree
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with you that some of this is just psychopathic behavior
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on behalf of elite people. You know, once you start
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02:03:46.960 --> 02:03:53.439
climbing the ladder of that echelon into we're talking multimillionaires, billionaires,
2047
02:03:53.880 --> 02:03:56.840
things like that. Now, I don't necessarily know for most
2048
02:03:56.840 --> 02:03:59.079
people that that's the ladder you can climb. I think
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you're born into that. I think that's bloodline related. I
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don't think anyone gets to you can climb up the
2051
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ladder to a certain degree. There's degrees of that ladder
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you're never going to get to, no matter how hard
2053
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you work, how brilliant you are. But with all that said,
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interesting thing there was a guy who did a experiment.
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I don't know what type of a scientist he was
2056
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or what his specific field was anymore, but he decided
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to do a study on serial killers based on brain scans,
2058
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and he wanted to see if there was something in
2059
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a brain scan that could show that the mind of
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a serial killer was different than the average mind. So
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he went and somehow got the authority and got these
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brain scans of several serial killers, Like I think, he
2063
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went to a prison and got permission to do this.
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And what he decided to do for fun is he
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had a brain scan of himself done as well, and
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he put it into the collection of brain scans without
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labeling any of them, so he didn't know which one
2068
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was his. He did find something on the brain scan
2069
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that was there in all of the serial killers, but
2070
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it was also in his brain, and that freaked him out.
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He's like, what, So what ended up coming from that study,
2072
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which was super fascinating, is he realized that if you
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want to consider a serial killer a psychopath, if you
2074
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want to use that term, he determined that there are
2075
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two different kinds of psychopaths. Now, granted, he was highly
2076
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motivated to figure out a second category because he didn't
2077
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want to accept the fact that he had this serial
2078
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killer feature in his brain. But what he determined is
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there are two different kinds of psychopaths. They all have
2080
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this desire for absolute control, and some will fulfill that vicariously,
2081
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fulfill that control through the domination of a human being
2082
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to the ultimate end where it has that person's life
2083
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or death in its hands. But he recognized that a
2084
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lot of the non serial killing psychopaths were also in
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a collective community where most of them gathered. And I'll
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give you a guess as to where you think most
2087
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of the non serial killer psychopaths hang out.
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Where's that.
2089
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They're CEOs of massive operations?
2090
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Makes too much sense?
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It does, so if we extrapolate that to what were
2092
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talking about here, If you've got computer programmers or corporate
2093
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CEOs or people way above holding the puppet strings to
2094
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those people, we potentially have human beings who, without any
2095
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sort of demonic intervention, are doing this stuff simply for control,
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for power, for money, the enjoyment of manipulating people, stealing wealth, whatever.
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But if the people at that high level of society
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are psychopaths, then you have to understand that there is
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to a certain degree something somewhat spiritual also at play
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if you want to look into the deeper auspices of
2101
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mental illnesses and how sometimes that occurs. And I'm not
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saying there's no such thing as mental illness, and I'm
2103
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not saying that everyone with the mental illness has demons,
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But what I'm saying is mental illness is a very
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really unknown still at this point. It's really mysterious in
2106
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many ways. Where does it come from?
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It?
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And even if you say it's genetic, where what where
2109
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does it come from? It's a mystery. And I think
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a lot of what we're being sold in the DSM
2111
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five and all that is a bill of goods, and
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I think a lot of stuff in that DSM five
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is a cover for things that they can't explain So, Chris,
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when you're talking about the black box mystery, you know,
2115
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we're putting in zeros and ones and this sentient like
2116
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behavior is coming out. We have no idea why. I
2117
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think it's the same thing. In the world of psychology,
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they're seeing this increased, ramped up bizarre behavior. And rather
2119
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than examining what is with this insanity going on, let's
2120
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just come up with a new label. Put it in
2121
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the DSM five. Now we have an explanation for it.
2122
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Throw big Pharma at it, because they don't. They really
2123
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can't figure out the bottom of it. They can't get
2124
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to the root of it. So, yeah, you know what,
2125
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a label's helpful. Hey, you know what, it's really helpful
2126
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to know that I'm not crazy. I just have high
2127
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anxiety and I need to take this pill to call
2128
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me down. That's helpful to a degree. But for some
2129
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of us we want to know, but why am I
2130
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so prone to anxiety? How come every time I get
2131
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into a car or I'm in bumper to bumper traffic,
2132
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I'm freaking out? Like that's interesting to me. I want
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to examine that. Why that? How come I can jump
2134
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into the deep end of a swimming pool with no problem.
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But if I'm in traffic, I'm freaking out. Like I'm
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02:09:44.239 --> 02:09:47.359
a curious person. I want to examine those sort of things.
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02:09:47.399 --> 02:09:49.840
I want to understand what's going on in my mind,
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02:09:49.840 --> 02:09:52.079
and I like to overcome things, and I like answers
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02:09:52.119 --> 02:09:55.439
that make sense. I don't like these stupid thing labels
2140
02:09:55.439 --> 02:09:58.399
that just get thrown at me. So anyway, with all
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02:09:58.439 --> 02:10:01.880
that said, I do belie believe that there is a
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02:10:02.439 --> 02:10:05.960
human element to this, and that there are people that
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02:10:06.319 --> 02:10:10.479
don't care if they have to step on other people
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02:10:10.640 --> 02:10:14.840
or hurt other people if it means they maintain their
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02:10:14.880 --> 02:10:17.600
power or they make millions or billions of dollars. There's
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02:10:17.640 --> 02:10:20.600
just people out there that don't give a crap, And
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02:10:20.640 --> 02:10:23.680
so I think that that's part of it. But now
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02:10:23.720 --> 02:10:27.479
from a spiritual perspective, if you want to go all
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02:10:27.600 --> 02:10:33.000
the way back to Genesis, the narrative there, and even
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Christians don't like to believe this, Chris, it's highly controversial,
2151
02:10:36.520 --> 02:10:41.000
it's not taught in seminary, and most pastors don't believe it.
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02:10:41.039 --> 02:10:45.920
But if you go with the narrative that in Genesis six,
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02:10:45.960 --> 02:10:53.680
what happened was fallen angelic beings, high ranking beings called watchers.
2154
02:10:54.399 --> 02:10:58.199
These weren't your little messenger angels who wore a little
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02:10:58.199 --> 02:11:00.840
white dress and showed up and gave people fortunes. You know,
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02:11:01.000 --> 02:11:07.840
we're talking high, high ranking beings on the scale of
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02:11:08.000 --> 02:11:13.720
the hierarchy of angelography or whatever you want to call it. Right, So, anyway,
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02:11:14.359 --> 02:11:17.159
two hundred of these watchers came down Mount Hermon, which
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02:11:17.319 --> 02:11:20.479
was a portal. It was a dimensional portal, I say
2160
02:11:20.680 --> 02:11:26.800
was it probably still is. They interacted with mankind, and
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02:11:27.039 --> 02:11:32.960
a Zazel and his cohorts taught mankind things that they
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02:11:32.960 --> 02:11:40.960
didn't know. They taught them root cutting, cosmetics, medicines, herbs, metallurgy.
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02:11:41.159 --> 02:11:44.720
And so what did mankind do with this stuff? Well,
2164
02:11:44.760 --> 02:11:49.079
because we were learning about them from fallen rebellious beings.
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02:11:49.960 --> 02:11:56.720
The cosmetics were used for seduction, the herbs were used
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02:11:56.800 --> 02:12:00.680
as psychedelics for communication to the higher realms, and the
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02:12:00.720 --> 02:12:03.399
metallurgy was made for the making of weapons. So what
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02:12:03.479 --> 02:12:06.359
it basically turned into once it got into our hands
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02:12:06.560 --> 02:12:12.960
was seduction and war. And so if you want to
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02:12:13.000 --> 02:12:17.199
look at where we're at now, there was a time
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02:12:17.239 --> 02:12:24.279
in history where our technology came from the spirit realm.
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02:12:24.760 --> 02:12:30.039
These fallen angelic beings dimensionally traveled to the terrestrial realm.
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02:12:30.640 --> 02:12:36.520
And you might not look at metallurgy or cosmetics or
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02:12:36.560 --> 02:12:40.600
herbs and root cutting as technology, but it was technology.
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02:12:40.600 --> 02:12:42.640
Doesn't just mean computers and zeros and ones.
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02:12:42.920 --> 02:12:43.199
It was.
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Arcane, mysterious knowledge that had not been revealed to man,
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02:12:49.359 --> 02:12:56.000
and so these watchers revealed technology. And so the technology
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02:12:56.079 --> 02:12:59.920
that was given to man at that time was brought
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02:13:00.920 --> 02:13:04.800
down from the spirit realm. And so I'm one of
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02:13:04.840 --> 02:13:07.159
these people that if it happened once, it can happen again.
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02:13:07.479 --> 02:13:11.279
And you know, the watchers might not be down here
2183
02:13:11.359 --> 02:13:16.039
on the earth in the same you know, meat suits,
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02:13:16.119 --> 02:13:19.119
and they might not be presenting themselves in the same way.
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02:13:19.199 --> 02:13:21.399
I do believe they're still here. I don't think that
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02:13:21.439 --> 02:13:23.960
they have to be, you know, forty five foot giants
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02:13:24.000 --> 02:13:26.840
in order to still be here. I do think that
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02:13:26.920 --> 02:13:33.800
those bloodlines still exist, and I think that what we're
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02:13:33.840 --> 02:13:36.079
dealing with here with a lot of them. There's a
2190
02:13:36.159 --> 02:13:39.920
lot of people in middle management, Chris, who make way
2191
02:13:39.960 --> 02:13:42.319
more money than we do, but they're still in middle management,
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02:13:42.359 --> 02:13:46.239
and things are compartmentalized, and they they're just rich, fat
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02:13:46.239 --> 02:13:49.359
and happy and they don't care. But there are people
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02:13:50.520 --> 02:13:54.439
who are higher than the higher that are from these bloodlines,
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02:13:54.479 --> 02:13:58.000
and they do know it, and they likewise are doing
2196
02:13:58.039 --> 02:14:03.119
the same thing as Grahams did back in Genesis. They
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02:14:03.199 --> 02:14:08.960
are wittingly, through our modern technology internet, AI, chat boxes,
2198
02:14:09.039 --> 02:14:11.520
social media, they are doing the same thing that their
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02:14:11.520 --> 02:14:15.680
ancestors did. They are sharing the arcane mysteries of the
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02:14:15.720 --> 02:14:20.199
spirit realm with mankind. And once it gets into our hands,
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02:14:20.239 --> 02:14:22.960
we use it for all of the stupidest, base level
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02:14:23.000 --> 02:14:25.079
things we can think of, like if we can turn
2203
02:14:25.119 --> 02:14:28.319
this into a video game or sex or an orgasm
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02:14:28.680 --> 02:14:30.640
or a way to make money, that's super cool. We
2205
02:14:30.680 --> 02:14:38.279
don't see beyond that usually, but eventually we will see
2206
02:14:38.359 --> 02:14:42.640
that a lot of what is being billed as entertainment
2207
02:14:43.760 --> 02:14:50.199
is really the building of an infrastructure of a coming kingdom.
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02:14:50.239 --> 02:14:52.760
So you can talk about the beast system or the
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02:14:52.800 --> 02:14:56.840
New World Order or what did Lovecraft call it, the
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02:14:56.880 --> 02:14:59.600
New Dark Age? You can call it the New Golden Age,
2211
02:15:00.399 --> 02:15:02.000
you can call it the Great Reset, you can call
2212
02:15:02.039 --> 02:15:05.479
it whatever you want. But what they're doing through all
2213
02:15:05.560 --> 02:15:09.880
this technology is ultimately they're building an infrastructure for this
2214
02:15:10.000 --> 02:15:14.760
kingdom and because the powers that be, and again you
2215
02:15:14.800 --> 02:15:17.920
can call it whatever you want. You can call it
2216
02:15:17.920 --> 02:15:20.239
a president or a king or a royal, or the
2217
02:15:20.279 --> 02:15:23.600
antichrist or the beast or you know, the prophet, whatever
2218
02:15:23.640 --> 02:15:29.319
you want to call it. This guy isn't God. He's
2219
02:15:29.359 --> 02:15:33.199
probably going to be more than human, but he's not God.
2220
02:15:33.319 --> 02:15:36.560
And that means he's not omnipotent, which means all powerful.
2221
02:15:37.159 --> 02:15:42.439
He's not omniscient, and he's not omnipresent. And so how
2222
02:15:42.479 --> 02:15:49.239
does something mimic God when it's not omniscient, it's not omnipotent,
2223
02:15:49.359 --> 02:15:54.600
it's not omnipresent. It builds an infrastructure that mimics those things.
2224
02:15:55.760 --> 02:15:59.000
And that's exactly what we're seeing with with GPS and
2225
02:15:59.039 --> 02:16:02.039
with all these algorithms and with the tracking devices in
2226
02:16:02.039 --> 02:16:06.359
our pocket all day long. Now, something that's not God
2227
02:16:06.439 --> 02:16:09.600
is omnipresent because with satellites and GPS and these phones,
2228
02:16:10.000 --> 02:16:14.239
everybody knows where we are. There's no hiding on this planet.
2229
02:16:14.279 --> 02:16:18.760
They will find you in two seconds. It's all knowing
2230
02:16:19.079 --> 02:16:23.479
now because we're giving it. We're feeding it that information
2231
02:16:23.640 --> 02:16:26.279
all day long in the computer, all our searches and
2232
02:16:26.319 --> 02:16:29.479
our social media and our likes and our comments. We're
2233
02:16:29.640 --> 02:16:35.000
feeding this algorithm's stomach full of all of its dainties.
2234
02:16:35.319 --> 02:16:37.840
So now it's all knowing, and it's getting towards that.
2235
02:16:38.360 --> 02:16:43.280
And so this is what we have to realize as
2236
02:16:43.280 --> 02:16:46.040
we're interacting with this technology. And again, I'm not a ludite.
2237
02:16:46.920 --> 02:16:49.120
I play games on my phone. I have a phone.
2238
02:16:49.440 --> 02:16:51.920
I'm doing a podcast right now. I'm not going to
2239
02:16:51.959 --> 02:16:54.479
live in a cave and you know, bake my own bread.
2240
02:16:54.520 --> 02:16:57.440
I don't have time for this stuff. But the deal is,
2241
02:16:58.399 --> 02:17:01.079
I do understand that a lot of this stuff that
2242
02:17:01.120 --> 02:17:06.200
they're billing as an entertainment or I should say, when
2243
02:17:06.239 --> 02:17:10.440
it first gets launched, it's you see the entertainment value
2244
02:17:10.440 --> 02:17:13.639
in it, and a lot of people don't think about
2245
02:17:13.639 --> 02:17:15.520
the ripple effect of a lot of this stuff. So
2246
02:17:15.639 --> 02:17:19.079
I remember what five years ago, probably longer, there was
2247
02:17:19.120 --> 02:17:21.000
a new app you could get for your phone and
2248
02:17:21.079 --> 02:17:23.479
it was so much fun. I never had it, but
2249
02:17:24.200 --> 02:17:28.799
you could mimic the voice of like any celebrity you wanted,
2250
02:17:28.879 --> 02:17:31.639
so you could call your friend up and sound like
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02:17:31.680 --> 02:17:35.959
Brad Pitt or whatever. And that's really funny if you're
2252
02:17:36.000 --> 02:17:40.079
crank calling your friend. But if you now realize that
2253
02:17:40.399 --> 02:17:45.120
with less than five minutes of your voice, which they have,
2254
02:17:45.360 --> 02:17:47.799
because like even just right now, Chris doing this one
2255
02:17:47.879 --> 02:17:50.440
podcast They've got enough of a sample of both of
2256
02:17:50.479 --> 02:17:53.959
our voices where they could have us with deep fake
2257
02:17:54.120 --> 02:17:56.440
and with the voice technology, they could have you and
2258
02:17:56.479 --> 02:17:59.920
I saying whatever they want. You know, I'm a Chris.
2259
02:18:00.680 --> 02:18:03.479
They could easily put together an AI video where I'm
2260
02:18:03.479 --> 02:18:05.040
saying I worship Satan and it's going to look one
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02:18:05.120 --> 02:18:11.760
hundred percent real. Right, So we have to understand we
2262
02:18:12.879 --> 02:18:17.000
aren't operating on a grid of deception. So we look
2263
02:18:17.040 --> 02:18:18.280
at all this stuff like, oh, this is so much
2264
02:18:18.280 --> 02:18:19.920
fun and I'm gonna crank call my friend, and oh
2265
02:18:20.000 --> 02:18:22.399
this is so convenient. This took an hour, Like this
2266
02:18:22.520 --> 02:18:26.520
is like like consolidated my projects, and I love this app,
2267
02:18:26.559 --> 02:18:32.079
and so we're looking at it as convenience entertainment. But
2268
02:18:32.239 --> 02:18:35.559
the people that are giving us all of these tools
2269
02:18:35.559 --> 02:18:39.559
and apps and technology, they are operating on a grid
2270
02:18:39.680 --> 02:18:42.440
of destruction, and so are of deception rather. And so
2271
02:18:42.479 --> 02:18:47.360
what we have to realize is before we just need shirk,
2272
02:18:47.520 --> 02:18:50.639
download an app and hit I agree and think this
2273
02:18:50.680 --> 02:18:55.719
is super fun, we should at least give some thought
2274
02:18:55.719 --> 02:18:57.760
as to the ripple effect. Hey, if this got into
2275
02:18:57.799 --> 02:19:01.920
the wrong hands, what would it look like when this
2276
02:19:02.079 --> 02:19:05.440
technology ceases to be fun? What's it going to be
2277
02:19:05.559 --> 02:19:08.639
used for. So we don't have to get rid of
2278
02:19:08.680 --> 02:19:12.280
everything and go back to the dark ages. But we
2279
02:19:12.479 --> 02:19:17.879
do need to give a lot more thought into who
2280
02:19:17.959 --> 02:19:21.159
we're giving our information to and what we're interacting with,
2281
02:19:21.319 --> 02:19:27.000
and what boxes we're checking, and when we're hitting boxes
2282
02:19:27.360 --> 02:19:31.040
on our phones and our computers that say I agree.
2283
02:19:31.520 --> 02:19:34.559
You know another way of saying that I consent, You
2284
02:19:34.559 --> 02:19:38.639
have my permission. Now we're into the vampiric code. You've
2285
02:19:38.639 --> 02:19:42.840
given it invitation and get I get comments on my
2286
02:19:42.879 --> 02:19:48.719
social media every single day from Christians saying I never
2287
02:19:48.760 --> 02:19:52.600
consented to this. Well you did. And in fact, just
2288
02:19:52.719 --> 02:19:56.239
by way of being an American, just by way of
2289
02:19:56.280 --> 02:19:59.120
your mother signing your birth certificate on the day you
2290
02:19:59.159 --> 02:20:02.120
were born and filing that birth certificate with the Department
2291
02:20:02.120 --> 02:20:04.040
of Treasury, you're in the system.
2292
02:20:04.120 --> 02:20:04.399
Dude.
2293
02:20:04.760 --> 02:20:08.840
You've consented. You've consented, so we can't. We've got to
2294
02:20:08.840 --> 02:20:13.319
get away from this. Blase. I pray to prayer and
2295
02:20:13.559 --> 02:20:17.600
Jesus is my Ronald Reagan's Star Wars defense system, and
2296
02:20:17.639 --> 02:20:21.040
nothing's ever going to touch me. And good luck getting
2297
02:20:21.040 --> 02:20:23.200
my brain data. They already got it. Dude.
2298
02:20:24.159 --> 02:20:28.280
We're at such a critical time. We're at a crossroads
2299
02:20:28.680 --> 02:20:33.920
with where humanity can potentially head right now, and there's
2300
02:20:34.000 --> 02:20:37.239
a lot to consider. There's a lot of navigating to
2301
02:20:37.319 --> 02:20:43.319
do with all the misinformation, disinformation and nonsense online. Now
2302
02:20:43.479 --> 02:20:47.399
more than ever, we really need to be paying attention
2303
02:20:47.600 --> 02:20:50.520
to what we're giving our time, energy and data to,
2304
02:20:50.879 --> 02:20:54.120
Like you said, watching those buttons that we're consenting to,
2305
02:20:54.920 --> 02:20:57.479
and trying to check out of it as much as possible,
2306
02:20:57.520 --> 02:21:01.079
because as of now, it's not leading us in a
2307
02:21:01.120 --> 02:21:04.479
good direction. Now, we don't have time to get to
2308
02:21:04.639 --> 02:21:08.319
the Nosferatu connections today, so we'll definitely have to revisit
2309
02:21:08.360 --> 02:21:11.479
that come back another day. Would you like to give
2310
02:21:11.520 --> 02:21:15.319
any final thoughts for the day and also remind the
2311
02:21:15.360 --> 02:21:17.479
audience where they can find out more about you.
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Yeah?
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Absolutely, guys. I know it's cliche, but I mean it
2314
02:21:22.520 --> 02:21:27.479
in the most authentic way I possibly can. Be safe.
2315
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This is not a safe world. I don't care what
2316
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your belief system is, what your worldview is, if you're religious,
2317
02:21:34.000 --> 02:21:38.680
if you're not religious. No matter where we are, this
2318
02:21:38.760 --> 02:21:41.879
is not a safe planet to be on, right, So
2319
02:21:42.479 --> 02:21:46.200
be safe, use your head. We as of today, we
2320
02:21:46.440 --> 02:21:53.200
still have noadic sovereignty. We have the power over our will,
2321
02:21:53.719 --> 02:21:58.840
our mind, our emotions, and they are trying to Chris.
2322
02:21:58.879 --> 02:22:01.840
They're not going to steal it from us. They're going
2323
02:22:01.920 --> 02:22:05.840
to deceive us into handing it over to them. So
2324
02:22:06.239 --> 02:22:15.000
be safe, keep your eyes open and use discernment. Sometimes
2325
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there's sheep and sometimes it's wolves in sheep's clothing. Just
2326
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because something is full of love and light doesn't mean
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it cares about you. So, Chris, thank you so much
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for having me on. You can find me at vickyjoy
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Anderson dot com. Everything you possibly need for me is
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right there on the homepage. Click away.
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Excellent. Like I said, Vicky will be revisiting this and
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getting into the Nonsferatu connections as soon as we can.
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