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The poet laureate of medicine Oliver Sachs once wrote, and bear with me, this is a bit of a long quote.
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So one sunny Saturday in 1964, I developed a pharmacological launch pad consisting of a base of amphetamine for general arousal, LSD for hallucinogenic intensity, and a touch of cannabis for a little for a little added delirium.
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About 20 minutes after taking this, I faced a white wall and exclaimed, I want to see indigo now.
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Now and then, as if thrown by a giant paintbrush, there appeared a huge, trembling, pear-shaped blob of the purest indigo.
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Luminous, numinous, it filled me with rapture.
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It was the color of heaven.
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Yeah, that's the short version of the quote.
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I was like, I was waiting for the rest of it.
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Uh yeah, I understand.
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It's amazing that there's a rest of it.
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The rest of it's great, too.
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Yeah.
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Uh it goes on and on.
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And uh basically, in order to get the complete quote, I went ahead and bought the book.
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It should be delivered tomorrow so Jackie can read it and tell me about it.
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I will tell you this, it will be on hold until I am done with Dungeon Crawler Carl series.
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So just FYI.
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But I'm busting through it real fast, it'll only be a couple weeks.
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It's so funny.
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I said I was going to start that and then I immediately threw on uh three body problem.
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I've heard such good things about that.
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It's I was listening to the audiobook, it's real good.
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Uh it's a sci-fi ass sci-fi though.
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Get ready for people to talk about stuff.
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It's not a space opera where they're like, the Moldavians are over there.
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It's like you there's a while where I'm like, I have no idea what are there aliens even in this?
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I I'm reading Dungeon Crawler Carl with my eyeballs, but I hear that the uh audiobook is just incredible, like so incredible.
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They hired the guy who's narrating the book to play one of the characters in the television show that they're um one of the female characters that they're um when they make it into a show with Seth McFarlane.
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Welcome to Everything on Nothing, where everything is connected and nothing really matters.
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I am your guide, Mickey.
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And if you ask me a question, I will answer it thoroughly.
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Assisting me in this endeavor is my producer and life mate, uh, returning from her adventures in music.
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It is Jackie.
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Hello.
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And the graphical genius who is the two parts blue to my one part red, it is Christian.
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Holler at your boy.
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Uh we take questions and dig in very deep to make sure we answer it as correctly and completely as possible.
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And today's question on the map is who is who was Indigo's public relations agent?
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Yes.
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Before we dig in, uh many, many thanks to Struber Durrell or Strawberry Darrell uh for giving us his track Yet Surf to be used as our theme and reminding me that music is mathematical because it is important to remember life is math.
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Math shows us the vibrations and vibes are what they are serving up at Dear Sandy in Portland, Oregon.
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Uh, Dear Sandy is the place Haley Jagger once said, uh, we love this bar, and this bar loves you.
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Nessa and Misha are wonderful killer bartenders, great service, incredible cocktails, in love with this team and their constant caring nature.
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Thanks for being the bar we all needed.
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Kiss emoji, heart emoji.
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Uh so if you are in the Portland area and you have the opportunity, please visit Dear Sandy.
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Uh, I hopefully, unless you're a complete asshole, but if you're listening to this uh podcast, you're probably like if you've lasted this long into the intro of this episode, you're probably gonna enjoy Dear Sandy.
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Yeah.
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Uh and a big, big, huge thank you to the boss man Zach Bennett for editing and his guidance.
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Uh, we'll eventually set up a subscription uh so that we can make money for those that want to support the show and probably eventually get around to doing merch so that we can make money.
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Um, and also giving us some guidance on getting into Hollywood contracts so we can turn this into a primetime television show one day, hopefully.
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Uh, in the meantime, you can show your support by listening to Zach Bennett's horror comedy podcast, Reasonably Afraid, with his partner, the King of King Rey Reyes.
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I will also shout out that if you need any editing uh work done or merch made, to also reach out to Zach Bennett because he does that too, and he does it well.
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Absolutely.
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Uh, if you like art and lollipops, you can join the Lollipops Guild and get a new and usually very unique flavor of lollipops sent right to your front door.
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Uh thevalleyofo.com has a lollipop subscription that brings two flavors a month, and uh it is accompanied by an art surprise.
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Uh Jackie, how do they sign up for that?
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Um, they can just go to valleyofo.com and click on lollipops.
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Okay.
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And right now it's a Patreon, but we're looking for other solutions.
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Yes, it is a Patreon right now, but that is going to be short-lived because I don't get very much out of it aside from giving them a little bit of money every month.
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So I'm just looking for alternate solutions that don't tax my brain to keep track of who is subscribed and who is not.
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Uh and uh we've highlighted various comedians well, just as a conversation piece to get started.
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Um throughout uh throughout the late uh 20 teens and uh well up until the pandemic, uh, we were both very fortunate and to have a little bit of extra money.
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And then when we went empty nester, we had a little bit of extra cash.
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And you Jackie was in a position to actually use a marketing uh budget to hire comedians.
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Uh, we love comedians because comedians are uh truth tellers basically, and just usually uh even in their most depressing times, they're pretty fun to hang out with.
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So uh we like to hang out with comedians, and we've had the opportunity of having comedians sitting in our living room testing out brand new jokes, uh, just because we were able to listen and give them good feedback, which was awesome.
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Uh, and we've also got to develop and um create our own comedy shows, including openers, uh um you know, uh featured players, and then uh uh you know, give time to a headliner and stuff.
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Uh one of the guys that uh Jackie hired to do oh, yeah, one of Jackie's dreams was to create a um award show, and she was able to create award, uh, an award show for her company, and then brought in a writer named Simon Nash to create uh some of the zingers and and the presenter bits, so they did not presenter bits and stuff like that.
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Uh and and uh as a reminder, Dan Harman won an Emmy.
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Uh before he won an Emmy for uh the that episode of Rick and Morty, he won an Emmy for writing a award show.
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Yes.
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Um along with his pal Rob Schraub and Ben Schwartz.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I always forget he's involved.
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Uh Simon recently popped up.
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It's great to see that he's back on the scene.
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And if you get the opportunity to witness Simon Nash uh doing comedy, it is pure unadulterated genius.
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Wait a minute, what Simon's doing jokes again?
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Yeah, I saw a post uh where he was with uh Danielle, who is involved in she's one of the people with the case.
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I saw that too, and I was like, did he get miss tagged?
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Like I was like, it's been years.
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Yeah, that's because I know there's another Simon dude on the scene in Orlando right now because I keep because Logan keeps telling me about him.
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I'm like, Simon Nash?
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And he's like, No, some other dude.
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I'm like, God damn it's no.
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I clicked and it went to the Simon Nash that we know, and I was like, I hope this is true.
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I hope it's not, if it's not, if you see Simon Nash, tell him to get back on stage because uh truly one of the greats.
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Well, he's got the best brain, yeah.
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Yeah, um, and it like he he basically takes whatever cube that he's dealing with and pulls it out and pulls it apart and inspects every little aspect, every angle, and then creates a comedy bit out of it.
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That I mean, it's not just hey, it makes you think, but the wordplay that he uses elicits a un solicited laugh out of you, like it just pulls laughs out of you, and then afterwards you're like, Wait, wait a second, dude.
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He actually said that thing, and oh my god, and it takes you down a rabbit hole of thought that uh makes it funnier in the long run, and you can hear the same bit over and over, and it's still funny uh you know, after after hearing it 30 or 40 times, which is a great, great sign.
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Uh so how you been, Christian?
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Great.
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Uh the truck broke down because it's 20 years old.
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Uh but I have the part for it in it.
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But uh it so I I dropped off some friends at the airport uh last week, the middle of the week, Thursday, I think.
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And uh and so I drove, I go drove them to the airport and a couple times it started acting weird.
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Uh but when you have a 20-year-old truck, you're like, well, I'll deal with the weird when it gets worse, and I get back.
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And then we got to the airport and it just fucking died.
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Uh and I had to turn it back on like uh like on and off like 19 times.
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Finally, it like got going.
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I didn't even say bye.
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I was just like, I gotta go.
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Like I'm gonna like just see if this makes it, you know.
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And it made it all the way to I had like I could could have gone to my house and just grabbed my brother's van, but I drove all the way to work, so it's at work now, uh, which is more complicated than the other thing.
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But I I had a choice.
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I was like, I can either be maybe late to work or I can be very early to work and leave my.
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I was kind of thinking that maybe it would be like a oh, it'll cool down and then I can get out of the thing.
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And of course, I was like on my break, I was like, nope, not turning on.
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So that's where we're at.
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Luckily, we have this other vehicle, uh, and as payment, it doesn't have AC.
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So oh, oh god.
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That's the monkey's paw of that.
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Uh and I don't know if you do, yeah, for listeners, the earth is getting hotter for some reason.
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Nobody can figure out why we've prayed all we can to figure it out.
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But the Bible, the Bible's uh mysteries uh remain occluded to us.
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I mean, it's it's gotta be part of somebody's plan.
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Yeah, that's the thing, is that I don't worry about anything because it's part of a plan.
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Well, wait a minute, let's deconstruct this.
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Who likes hot stuff?
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Um well, I mean, is it food?
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The stuff is wide.
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Stuff is a broad who likes flames.
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Oh no, who likes making people hot?
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Who likes burning people hot?
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That guy.
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But he just answers to the big boss who has the plan.
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Uh he's not gonna tell anyone what the plan is.
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Yeah.
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Uh not gonna get like that that's oh that's where I fall apart with the whole the whole system that has arisen from that side of the world.
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Is a a plan is only so good if the everyone involved in the plan knows what the plan is.
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And then when you have like, yeah, it's cool on television when Danny Ocean has a plan within the plan, within the plan, and and you know, he's got Brad Pitt doing one thing and Matt Damon doing another, and and you know, uh uh you just it's it's all fun and games whenever you reveal it at the last five minutes, but you know, from I guess from an entertainment standpoint, if you said here's the plan, and then then enacted the plan, it would be kind of a boring show.
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But in real life, uh if if you said here's the plan, now everyone go enact the plan, everything comes to fruition the way you planned it to come to fruition, and plans are good when people know what the plan is.
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So, you know.
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Yeah, I'm uh listen, you know, God, I'm in on the heist, but you gotta let me know.
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You gotta let me know, God.
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Yeah, if there's a plan that I don't know about, I don't have a lot of trust in you, man.
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Respectfully, God, I'm out.
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God's a loose cannon.
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God, give me your badge and your gun.
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It's all part of his plan.
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Uh, and do you want to talk about what the lollipops are this month, Jackie?
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Or do you just want to make it a movie?
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Go ahead and sign up and find out.
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We're recording in August.
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So the lollipops this month are uh moon water made with water that I charged underneath the full moon the other night, and that's gonna be raspberry flavored because the July full moon was called a raspberry moon, also called a buck moon, if I remember correctly.
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And my other flavor of lollipop in August is going to be holy water made with actual holy water from the Rhoda Wise House and Grotto in um Canton, Ohio, which was the site of a legitimate stigmata miracle where a lady bled from her hands and from her fucking orifices in her face.
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Uh, and I bought some holy water while I was there, so I'm gonna use it to make some grape-flavored lollipops because you know, communion wine and all that.
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And you've consulted with some uh uh religious consultants on the the aspect of whether it's bad taste to to put holy water in lollipops.
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I've had some pretty big discussions about this with people of various religious beliefs.
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Uh, I've talked to a few Catholic people that I know, and um, and then one of them even went and talked to her priest about it.
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And the consensus is that people get like salt blessed to use in cooking, so it's not any different than that.
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And I'm not like using a whole bottle of holy water, I'm just gonna sprinkle a little little little of it in and then just use filtered water for the rest.
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But they will be holy water lollipops.
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I do imagine like a sort of multi uh ethnic, multinational council, like from uh how to stop whatever that long movie name was, Dr.
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Strange Love.
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Just a bunch of people like arguing, just like this is not appropriate.
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Like the the Council of Nicaea clearly states like the thing that surprised me is when I talked to Catholic people about it, they were surprisingly like blasé and like, oh yeah, no, there's nothing wrong with that.
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I'm like, well, can you just like make sure with someone who knows a lot?
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They're big on eating stuff as part of their right, you know.
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Yeah, they're big on like tran what is it called?
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Transubstantiation, uh-huh.
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Which is that like is the that's like I think like the one of the big like splits.
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I think that's one of the big like Martin Luther was like, I don't know about this.
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I don't know if God can also be a piece of bread.
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I don't know.
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Now it's gonna be a lollipop.
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So see the the the problem, like uh I know the big problem with that Martin Luther had was that it was a bunch of people that weren't consulting anybody and they weren't taking into they were basically just saying, Hey, uh this is a magic blanket, and if you wrap yourself in this magic blanket, you'll go to heaven.
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Skip all the other stuff that gets you in heaven, just wrap yourself in this blanket.
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Or forgiveness.
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Yeah, here's this helmet, here's this rock, here's the and basically like uh P.
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T.
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Barnum type people were just scraping along the ground and saying, Oh, yeah, this is magic.
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Buy this and you get into heaven.
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And it became a wholesale um uh industry of people selling tickets to heaven and Martin tricking God, as I like to call it.
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Tricking God, as I like to call it, where you go, I'm a bad person, but uh I bought the thing.
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Yeah, I I got uh I got I found a workaround in your old little Bible there, God.
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Like, I don't think that's in the spirit of anything, of any faith or religion is like deceit.
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You know, it's like finding a way around the rules.
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Yeah, like Hitler at the very last moment going, uh Jesus, I accept you as my one true savior.
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Uh, I get into heaven now, right?
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Right?
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Like, damn it, guys.
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There's nothing in the rules.
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There's nothing in the rules about genocides.
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We wrote this way way back.
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We wrote it before we knew people could be that bad.
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And so Hitler went to heaven on Airbud rules.
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Here's a hit.
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They changed it right after.
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If you have like like I I when I was in the military, they sent out little tiny pocket Bibles and stuff.
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And what if that's your Bible that you go by?
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And like, is that acceptable for the rule book?
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Like, I don't want this to be an episode at all.
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Yeah, just we bounce hard off the topic.
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I'm just saying I don't even want to touch that, but I like it's literally if that's the set of rule books that I have that I'm operating by, and do I get into heaven?
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Or like, you know, poor Neanderthals are running around, they don't got a rule book, they're just bumping into like they they're murdering, they accidentally kill someone or they steal some food or whatever just to just to feed their family.
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Uh they go to hell.
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Like, is is hell nothing but a bunch of Neanderthals and lawyers?
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Uh they they they go to the well, depending on which candid you look at, but in the inferno, he visits them.
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Uh, in the Twilight City of Dis, uh in hell, it's like a very it's very close to the top of hell.
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It's like for people that were born before, it's like basically like all the righteous Greeks and Romans and Neanderthals.
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They didn't, I don't think they had discovered Neanderthals yet, so I don't think that was in their uh worldview.
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But uh apparently at one point there, and this is out of the bigger Bible, uh, but there's an event called the Harrowing of Hell, and it's where Jesus, when he died on the cross, he actually went to hell and witnessed to the the the pagans and stuff.
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So basically that's a thing where it's like, okay, that's how we get like Socrates into heaven or whatever.
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Now that he's been in the other, if he's been in this like anteroom of hell forever, Jesus comes down, he's like, Here's all right, sorry we didn't tell you this from the jump, but here's how basically this works.
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He's like, Okay, I get it, cool.
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You're my lord and savior.
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Now Socrates goes to heaven.
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Yeah, okay.
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But that's not a I don't think that's a common belief.
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That's like not that's like a one of those book of Enoch things or whatever, where they it's like one of the gospels that wasn't accepted because there's only like five.
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That's one of the problems I have is like there's enough rule books and and and other books out there, but who agree like there's differences and agreement on who which book like it's it's literally hey, uh this is how we're gonna handle immigrants, and whichever is more profitable is the which is the way I'm going to vote, instead of what is the righteous way to vote.
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It's more what is gonna get me better positioning.
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That's that's the rule book I'm choosing.
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It's like a contest of who wrote the best Jesus fan fiction, like the best fan fiction about what happened to their friend when he died.
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And one guy's like, I think he went to hell and like saved all the righteous pagans.
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It's like that's dope, but that's also not gonna work with what kind of we're going with going forward.
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Yeah, that's really what it was.
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I think is that they were trying to stamp out like paganism, and so like the idea that you could be a pagan and still be saved, not anymore, mind.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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New rules, new management, you know, in the house.
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I can see that.
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Like if if I'm a pagan now and you want me to be a Christian, and you're like, Well, your grandfather was crappy and he's and he's burning in hell, and it's like, well, he didn't know.
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Yeah, I've always thought about this the turn of the the turn of the uh messiah era, where it's like you know, a generation back, oh grandpa's just in hell forever?
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Oh shit, let's see.
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Well, you know, grandpa was a decent fella, and he he would have known, he would have known, but you know, they told him to kill, so he killed.
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He didn't go to bad hell, he just went to where the you don't get to sit under the light of God forever.
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It's just shady.
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He went to shady oaks, you know.
00:21:20.160 --> 00:21:23.839
So you're saying that there's good and bad neighborhoods in hell.
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Yeah, like anywhere, you know.
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What's the say that we're not in hell right now?
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Gerrymandered.
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I can't I can't prove or disprove that.
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Well, like Dante said, like there's the multiple circles and layers and stuff.
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Then like there has to, like, there has to be uh I mean I there doesn't have to be, I guess.
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It it just it's a matter of your belief system.
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If you believe that some people are worse than others, then uh you know, then you have to believe in a uh multi tiered hell.
00:21:57.839 --> 00:21:59.759
Uh but then that also equates to.
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To a multi-tiered heaven, so there's got to be like a VIP section.
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So no matter how good you think you are, did you donate a whole bunch of money and do good and feed the hungry and do this and clean feet?
00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:13.440
Yeah, yeah.
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You know, here's the checklist to get in.
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Here's a checklist to get into the super VIP.
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Uh, if not, then you know, you're just wandering around playing harps.
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The uh the the the Dantean vision of hell is very funny because it's like very clearly like it's so of its time where it's like uh you're like, oh well, it's really more about like, okay, who goes to which circle for which sin, like how bad their sit their one big sin was, you know?
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And because some of some stuff I guess is just like, no, you're not going to heaven because you like stole from people your whole life or you were lustful or whatever.
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But the examples that it uses are like timely ancient Italian references.
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So the essentially like the Dante's Inferno is kind of like a fanfiction of like of his like shit list of his like little like what's the burn book from from Mean Girls.
00:23:03.839 --> 00:23:21.279
It's basically the burn book from Mean Girls, and it's like, well, I think that uh Antonino Vespucci and his whore lover are flying around in the wind created by King Minos or whatever in the first circle of lust, or like you know, this Michelangelo.
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I think he's sleeping with other dudes, yeah.
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Yeah, it's like it's like very, very like, and here's you know, Alla Dente Vespuccio friggin the third of Venezia, and he's like upside down in the lava, you know, river or whatever the hell.
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Like it's just like, and it's it's one of those books that you read it, and when you get to those, it's like half a page's footnotes explaining the context of like who this guy in the lake was.
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It's like at the time, like Dante was part of this party, political party, and the everyone in the lakes of fire, all the other political party, and you're like, Oh, Fox News has just existed forever.
00:24:06.799 --> 00:24:14.559
Like, and Antonio, you make a good weed while but the you know the the the spaghetti is a little bit uh little bit.
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Maybe, maybe not third ring, but maybe maybe he'll only two ring.
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Yeah, the third circle of hell is making bad pasta.
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Uh but like it, I mean his vision of hell, like descriptively is why you're reading it.
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It's like a very it's a cool, it's cool.
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Dante Soferno is cool, despite the fact that like the writing in it and the characters in it and the whole swing of it is he's basically being like, Well, the Democrats, you know, like or whatever well, but the Republicans, you know, are actually in the lake of fire.
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So what do you think about that?
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Look at my book.
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Did you read my book where they where you go to hell?
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Or like your your contemporary?
00:24:56.960 --> 00:24:57.359
All right.
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Uh so yeah, uh, let's uh I guess we've covered religion once before already.
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Oh, we did, yeah, yeah.
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We did a deep dive on that one.
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We didn't really go deep on hell though, so hell might be in the future.
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Yeah, we might have to do a deep dive on that whole concept.
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Uh, because I as I as far as I like, I know the the Jewish religion doesn't believe in a hell per se.
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And I don't ever remember like I remember someone telling me one time, oh, it's not even in the Bible.
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And I'm like, okay, apparently, yeah.
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And I started reading it and I couldn't get past the bagats.
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The bagats, there's so many bagats.
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You're not supposed to read it from the beginning, silly.
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That's the Jewish part.
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They didn't believe in the hell yet.
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Yeah, go to the New Testament.
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No, but there's really not a lot of hell in the Bible.
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That's true.
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One of the things that I do enjoy about the Bible is that if you if you read through the bagats, you will see that indeed everything is connected.
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And there are you just have to remember which bagat you're on, which level of bagat you're on, because they circle back and tell all the stories of those most of those people just to say, hey, at some time in history, these fellas did something and they're all kind of tied in and related.
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So uh uh it's a historical book.
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We'll probably hit on some of that, some stuff.
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So, in in in conclusion, if the house, the professor house burns down randomly one day, it's because I was making the holy water lollipops that day, and it was not okay.
00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:31.519
Yeah, that was a detour from the lollipop plug.
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Uh so indigo.
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Uh, I guess we could start with George A.
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Miller.
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Uh, we'll just set it up kind of like a checkoff Miller.
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Um but essentially Miller's law states that uh the human brain can hold the the short-term memory can hold seven items in the short-term memory.
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Uh and uh the Purple Prince uh song, seven, uh all seven, and we'll watch them fall.
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Um Seven Nation Army, Seven Nation Army.
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Uh, and uh so if you believe in white man history, uh Newton was playing around and went, oh, no one has ever thought this thought before, but there has to be some colors in the rainbow, uh, and was playing around with prisms, and he's like, Okay, I see them.
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And everyone at the time was like, Oh, that's because something is flawed in the glass.
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You can't at the time they were like, You can't make perfect glass, and there was someone that was working on making perfect glass prisms, and and uh Newton was like, nah, this guy's got it, and and your concept that the the glass is flawed in making this rainbow is insane.
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Uh, let me show you.
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So he took one prism to split it into a rainbow, took another prism and put it all the light back together and got a white light, and he's like, See, here we go.
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And uh he was like, There's there's five colors, and then he was like, But there's seven notes uh on the scale, so seven's pretty pretty cool, and he was kind of a mystical seven magic this and seven magic that, so he was like, I'm going to go with I'm he shoved in orange and shoved in indigo and said seven colors.
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Boom! And so Newton came up with Roy G.
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Biv.
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Um, and that's the short uh white boy history of of uh who was indigo's PR agent.
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It was it was it was our our our old nemesis or perhaps mentor uh Sir Isaac Newton.
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:56.319
I love the idea that so they were like, Oh, you can't make perfect glass because it always makes this really consistent color band.
00:28:57.039 --> 00:29:18.880
Like I love that of like the old times where it's like, yeah, man, I don't know, it's impurities in the glass that always make it go red, orange, yellow, green, blue, purple in that exact order every time, no matter how like visibly clear and clean and imperfect or imperfect the the glass is like that's just very funny.
00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:36.240
Um but if we if we take a step back, uh one one of the concepts that I like I believed ever since, but I actually kind of came up with words, someone might have may have said it before, but uh much like the earth, history is not flat.
00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:47.279
Uh history has uh it's not even so much as a pyramid because there's a lot of parallel thought on one side of the world or on the other side of the world.
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:51.359
Um, everything is kind of uh back and forth.
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It depends on who's doing the marketing, who's doing the public relations, who's moving what data, uh, who's translating what into what.
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Um, but we go all the way, way back in before people were just wandering around and they're like, I don't have time to think.
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I've gotta hunt, I've gotta get food.
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I get food, I eat, I sleep, I gotta get up in the morning to get more food so I can keep living.
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I don't know if I would have survived that time frame.
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I don't know if there was ever uh I guess that's kind of sometimes what I I went through a period, but I knew that period was gonna end if I just got through it.
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But I don't see living an entire existence just getting up to eat and then being done.
00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:51.920
Um, but I guess if you've never been introduced to thought and thinking and questions, you know, TV, like yeah, that was it because that it took you that long to do it, and then you were tired because it was a lot.
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Like it's like, all right, well, back to napping.
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Yeah.
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Uh well, you know what happens after you eat a big meal.
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Come on.
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Oh, yeah.
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I go right out.
00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:10.319
Like, I'm at the age where it's like I eat lunch, I I teach morning class, I come home, we eat lunch, and we're watching right now.
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:12.559
We're on uh Legends of Tomorrow.
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:19.279
We're doing another watch through that because it tickles my brain in a sci-fi fun kind of way.
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:23.839
But um uh yeah, like 15 minutes after.
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Like if I if I stay vertical, I'm good.
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But as soon as I lean back and get a little comfort, I go right to sleep and take a little little tiny nap.
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:36.480
And it doesn't help me, it doesn't affect the rest of my day.
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I it takes me a few minutes to get you know get the cobwebs loose and all that stuff, but uh I I could go with the nap or without the nap, and it doesn't impact the rest of my day.
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:58.160
Uh but it's if I kind of like kind of like those baby dolls with weighted eyes, if you lay them down with eyes closed, if you sit them up, their eyes are wide open.
00:31:58.240 --> 00:32:07.440
So it's like I'm a big fan of like if it if your body like goes to like a sleep mode of any kind, you must have needed it in some way.
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:09.680
Like, I'm a big proponent of that.
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Because like no animal on the earth, like if all threats being eliminated, if it's just like it's like, yeah, I think I'm just gonna kind of I'm done.
00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:28.480
I've I'm I am now de-energized from patrolling the territory that I'm gonna take a nap now so that I'm rested for the next period of survival.
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:32.240
Like, I don't know, that's just like listening to your body, right?
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:32.880
Mm-hmm.
00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:36.079
I think you're supposed to sleep through digestion.
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:38.400
Isn't that kind of like universal?
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:42.240
I know like it's like uh you know, snakes.
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Snakes will eat like whatever big old thing, and then they're like, cool, I'm gonna nap for like four days.
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They're kind of extreme or extreme nappers.
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:56.240
Well, I mean, snakes are definitely extreme, like in and everything, I would think.
00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:59.039
Yeah, they're very dramatic animals, in my opinion.
00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:02.960
For the listeners out there, I don't think people are snakes.
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Except for your ex Christina.
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:33.680
No, I and then uh we created civilization to separate ourselves a little bit from the animal world, and along with civilization came the invention of money, and with the invention of money, uh came the invention of rich people and uh schools to basically you want to educate if you're rich, you want to educate your child so that they can stay rich so that they don't have to go back in the pit to work.
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And with that came uh school teachers and uh nerds that were smart enough to get into the schools but not rich enough to pay for it.
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So the way they paid for it was by having rich people pay to do their homework.
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And with that, uh we got a bunch of lazy people that not lazy people, but curious people that had time and money to sit around playing with things.
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And with those people playing with things, then they started asking questions.
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:08.079
Um, and we got to Euclid and Aristotle in white man world.
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In Persian world, they were already digging deep into this question.
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In uh Asian world, they were you know well past this question.
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But I was gonna say the Chinese seemed like they would have been like, hey, look at what the glass does.
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Check this out like way there.
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But no one understood, no one took the time to understand their language, and they were so far out there.
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:30.159
That's true.
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:30.480
Okay.
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I thought you were gonna throw as a bit you were gonna say, well, nobody understood Chinese.
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:41.679
Like they literally nobody under they they yeah, China, I guess, was so isolated and their language was so different.
00:34:41.760 --> 00:35:00.719
Yeah, but like people than like GRACA, but uh like Persia was right across a lake, essentially, or the Mediterranean, you know, right across the uh Mediterranean Sea, there's uh Persia and there's trade routes, and Persia had a lot of stuff going on, so uh you know there were some ideas exchanged.
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:16.320
But before that, uh in White Man World, we had Euclid, who was the father of geometry, uh and dude created geometry, like he studied triangles, he studied circles, he understood math.
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:20.239
Uh he invented large swaths of math.
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Uh, but his idea was that our eyes shot beams out uh to detect things, and that's where color came from.
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A decent stab, a decent stab at the idea.
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Yeah, but it's it's not it's it's reversed, but like, yeah.
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And on the other side of the pulpit, you had uh Aristotle saying, nah, the sun be doing things.
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Don't don't let those guys each other in a hallway.
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That's gonna go down.
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:57.440
Uh yeah, so uh Euclid and Aristotle had debates over light.
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Um, Euclid argued, I believe it was Euclid arguing that the eyes shot out beams, and then uh Aristotle's like, no, the sun bounces the light and then goes into our eyes.
00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:17.280
And interesting question to like not know the answer to.
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:19.119
Oh, yeah, like definitively.
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:22.000
Like, so like that was the argument of the day.
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Was like, no, you fool, it's beams.
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It was like, no, the beams are already there.
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:34.239
Like, like, what uh these are like two men at like I would assume, like kind of the top of their game, right?
00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:39.760
Like, if we're talking about like Euclid and and uh what was the other Aristotle?
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Aristotle, yeah, yeah.
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:45.280
Like one of the guys arguing about this.
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I is it Aristotle before Socrates or Socrates before Aristotle?
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I'll find out.
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I I know it's like Aristotle's like one of the big turning points of philosophy, and uh he's Socrates before Aristotle.
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:16.800
Okay, so Aristotle's very deep into the socks Socratic method of getting to an answer, like ask questions and um just keep point upwards and look angry in babe dance.
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:24.639
Uh the downside of the Socratic method is is when you ask a lot of questions, people get really annoyed and then they feed you poison and kill you.
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:28.480
So um, you know, there is a downside to that.
00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:34.400
Um, but Aristotle's thought was that it was it was essentially one path.
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:49.039
It's a mixture of black and white, gives you uh different colors, which from his point of view, it is it does make sense, and it kind of on a level is true.
00:37:49.119 --> 00:38:00.719
It is like every it's almost in my philosophy, where it's like it's like I understand that there's there's there's white, which is like pure complete on, and there's black, which is like no color.
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It's like okay, all right, I see where you're going.
00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:12.320
And see, in my brain philosophy, I believe that everything is binary, it's just you have to ask a lot of questions.
00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:18.480
It's not is it black, is it white, is it's it's is it white, yes or no?
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:20.719
No, is it black, yes or no?
00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:23.440
Yeah, no, so it's something in between.
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So is it this?
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Yes or no?
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:29.679
And it's it's not is it black or white?
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It's is it white?
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Yes or everything's a yes or no question, on or off, and binaries on or off.
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And if it's white and if it's not white and it's not black, it's gotta be something else.
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:44.079
So then is it red?
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:45.199
No, is it blue?
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:48.400
No, is it ingo for this episode?
00:38:48.480 --> 00:39:08.480
Yes, yeah, and um, but yeah, when you when you ask, I mean that's the microcomputers and and the whole basis of uh artificial intelligence is just a enormous, enormous amount of binary digits.
00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:10.719
Is the light on or off?
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:14.320
Yeah, a billion trillion times a second, yeah.
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:26.480
And and that's all it like that is the basis of intelligence, and most people ignore that, so they get trapped into a conversation of is it Republican or Democrat?
00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:35.440
And uh if you get stuck there, you get stuck there, it's Republican Democrat a billion trillion times a second.
00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:40.079
It's uh yeah, your processor can only handle one Republican at a time.
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:48.079
Yeah, and if you're not uh um a capitalist, you're obviously a the other thing, communist and you're evil, you know.
00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:49.760
It's like is communist evil?
00:39:49.920 --> 00:40:02.400
Well, those all those people who do those things just show them like an image, like a video image of like a street in modern China and watch them just be oh, I know everyone just goes, everyone in America just goes, I didn't know they could like walk around.
00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:18.639
Like you know, like that's how but that's how like small your your view, you're you've you've got that overton window uh like view of like the world, and like sometimes that's benign, sometimes that's just happens, it's just that the window is this small.
00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:19.360
That's it.
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:26.480
Sometimes you do get the full picture, sometimes you do get the uh the guy is with the knife, but he's running from wolves or whatever.
00:40:26.719 --> 00:40:39.920
Like, you know, sometimes you do get the full picture, but you don't get the full picture of everything, you don't get the like so oh, is is China a capitalist uh country or a communist country?
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:41.760
Well, the answer is yes.
00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:44.639
Like you know, and I don't know.
00:40:44.800 --> 00:41:07.280
The only way for you to understand what's happening there is for you to like see that what they're doing and read like their art, you know, read read their books and and watch their movies and stuff to get a vibe for like hey, what is normal for Chinese people, you know, like just as an example, as an example of the what uh what but non-binary thinking, I guess.
00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:07.840
Uh-huh.
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:20.000
Like just they're you know, yeah, a lot of people ignore like they're like, Oh, we don't want to live in an authoritarian uh uh kind uh community.
00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:36.800
So we're going to let Hal over here take charge because he he's gonna do the things that are are gonna hold authoritarianism back, and the thing he's gonna use to hold authoritarianism back is authoritarianism.
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:42.320
Yeah, and sug of people got arrested for voicing political opinions, yeah.
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:54.639
It's like you're you're missing the point, you don't want that type of authoritarianism, but you're willing to give up and give over to this authoritarianism.
00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:59.440
It's like our authoritarianism has Snickers bars, that's the difference.
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:03.760
So does China, China has bench.
00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:04.880
No, I don't know.
00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:06.559
It's like at least we have McDonald's.
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:08.320
I'm like, have you been to Russia?
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:14.639
By the way, like as though like the Chinese would not figure out how to do a McDonald's anyway.
00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:24.480
Like, yeah, they're just gonna do a knockoff and they have yeah, they have like regular McDonald's, sure, but like if we cut them off from that and they still want a McDonald's, they would just be like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:26.960
Arabic American, something like that.
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:28.079
What are you gonna do?
00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:30.079
Bomb us over McDonald's?
00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:38.079
Oh, no, I was going back to like the the Chinese have stolen every piece of software that we've ever created.
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:53.519
Uh, and they I mean, not accusing them of stealing, but there have been groups inside of China that have found a way to uh reverse engineer everything that they have gotten their hands on to.
00:42:53.840 --> 00:43:04.880
Just like I was when I was in Israel on the dock, there were people that were selling you know pirated DVDs of every movie that America was producing.
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:19.280
And when I went to Spain, there were people that had pirated software, and it's like everywhere you go, there's people that have figured out how to do crime that doesn't really hurt anyone, it just steals a lot of money.
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:26.480
Yeah, and you know, it's like I'm not gonna buy that movie anyway, but now that it's a dollar, okay, I'll do that.
00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:40.719
Everywhere in the world you go, there's a little Game Boy that has every Super Nintendo game ever made on it, and uh and an overly congenial middle-aged uh local uh who will not stop calling you his friend, everywhere.
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:45.679
Uh so you know, crime is uh everywhere.
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:51.360
There are people, there are hungry people that are moving from place to place to try to find a better way to live.
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:59.760
Everywhere, there's it is everywhere you go, there is an enemy, and uh, if you look at someone like an enemy.
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:02.880
Uh you're missing the point.
00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:12.079
Yes, there are the the enemy is the people that are trying to puppet puppeteer everyone else, and that's just everywhere.
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:24.000
Like there are people up top, there's people down low, there's people in the middle, there's you know, it's it's the same everywhere, it's just in a different swath of of the rainbow.
00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:32.880
And uh Indigo uh happened to be the swath in India.
00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:35.840
It is literally named after India.
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:46.239
Uh it's like I think the etymology of the word basically is from India, uh, and uh it is a plant.
00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:55.920
Uh I think most plants uh can produce some sort of green or brown dyes, and lots of yellow, too, and lots of yellow.
00:44:56.159 --> 00:45:10.239
Um from bugs and other organic material, we can get reds, but from one plant or one one very small subset of plants, we can get blue.
00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:14.159
Um and the plants themselves aren't even blue, yeah.
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:15.840
And they hit it.
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:17.280
Yeah, they did.
00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:21.519
There's like a process they have to go through to get the blue out of the plant.
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:22.159
It's crazy.
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:22.480
Huh?
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:24.480
Oh, oh, yeah, I I forgot.
00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:39.039
So uh Aristotle thought it was a mix of black and white, and then in Persia, uh Abin Sinai uh added gray, or he took the gray and said there's also red and green.
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:43.119
I like to imagine each of these being accompanied by people like cheering in a stadium.
00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:55.599
And then uh centuries later, Nasir al-Din Al Tusi uh was like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, there's also yellow and blue in there.
00:45:55.920 --> 00:46:01.519
So like this is them looking at the rainbow, like a like a prismatic rainbow, yeah.
00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:14.880
Uh prismatic rainbow of or or basically optics, like um okay, and like and like basically kind of uh seeing more and more radiation in the colors, yes, as time as time would go on.
00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:24.079
Okay, yeah, and and uh you know, in dye mixing, in painting, in art, in color, just in in vocabulary itself.
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:26.559
It was like, oh, you know, it's green.
00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:30.719
It's like, well, what do you call this thing in between here?
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:33.599
Yellow, green, done.
00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:35.360
There's something here.
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:38.480
There's something between the red and the green.
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:40.400
What do you what do you want to call that?
00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:43.360
And they're like, Oh, yellow, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:51.440
That's the part where I'm kind of like, we know that this is a color, sort of instinctually, because like yellow existed, yellow was around.
00:46:51.599 --> 00:47:03.119
Yeah, it's not like the blue thing was like, oh, blue was kind of rare because like not a lot of things are blue, or like you know, mammals just aren't blue unless they have that kind of oily sheen, maybe.
00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:04.639
But like, you know, there's this.
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:12.079
I'm just trying to think of like you knew that there was the sky, but you you're like, I don't know how to get the sky down onto like a textile format.
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:13.440
There's nothing that really maps that.
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:14.719
Oh, here's this berry.
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:21.039
Now we know, but like yellow is wild because it's like yellow's just around, lots of stuff is yellow.
00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:22.559
Like, I don't know.
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:40.480
And they they just kind of went, reddish, it's reddish with with some green, or they might have called it more greenish than yeah, you know, plant life was green, uh, and it's like it's a variation of green because it's attached to the plant, so there you go.
00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:41.760
Yeah, yeah.
00:47:42.079 --> 00:48:06.880
Uh, and then came in 1021, bin al-Hatham uh wrote the book of optics, and uh, so that's where we start getting glass and uh other objects involved into seeing, you know, digging in deeper to being able to see, and it's not just our eyeballs are popping us out.
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:19.280
Uh and the that book is basically the basis of all things that we know about vision and sight and light and and all things like that.
00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:25.280
He was Persia before the Muslim takeover, basically.
00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:28.559
Uh so I I I am terrible with that.
00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:32.480
I am terrible at when things change.
00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:41.119
Like for me, France has always been France, and it they always hate the English, and the English always hate there, and English is that island there, but there's a lot of again.
00:48:41.199 --> 00:48:44.639
That's my binary thinking of you know, it's like Gaul.
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:47.599
What the fuck is Gaul?
00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:52.320
It's like, oh, the Roman Empire was part of was in Spain at one point.
00:48:53.360 --> 00:49:10.079
No, uh so yeah, it's it's like an ever-evolving, ever-changing swirl of Roman influence uh moving down, and uh even well, even before the Romans got involved, um oh no, no, no, no.
00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:12.719
Uh so in 1021 he wrote the book.
00:49:12.880 --> 00:49:20.719
200 years later, uh, the book is translated into Latin, which then the the Romans start digging into this whole thing.
00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:28.320
Uh and at that time, you know, they're red cloaked, and then they find purple, and they're like, ooh, here we go.
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:29.360
This is special.
00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:32.400
This is this is the VIP extra.
00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:36.000
This is the VIP room and set in this is nice.
00:49:37.760 --> 00:50:00.800
It's like we have we have Rome, which is a bunch of slaves, a bunch of thieves, and and a bunch of Romans, and then here's this VIP section for the people that have red cloaks, and then here inside there, that's you know, the roped off little booth where they're bringing the champagne out to, you know, only five guys get to sit here with the purple cloaks.
00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:04.880
Um that's so funny that it's like that.
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:07.280
The same thing just keeps on happening.
00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:08.639
I mean, this is like late.
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This is late.
00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:22.159
We've already had like Aristotle talking to Euclid about like the fundamental nature of color, and like like thousands of years later, there's these guys going like, yo, what's that new color?
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:24.239
That's well, it's mine, obviously.
00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:26.159
It's mine and you can't have it.
00:50:29.119 --> 00:50:38.159
Like, see, when I when I say history is not flat, it wasn't hey, the Greeks came along and then the Greeks disappeared, and then the and they moved over to Rome.
00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:48.639
It's the Greeks went away, and like all that knowledge went away, and then the Romans uncovered like Indiana Jones style.
00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:54.719
They uncovered a bunch of this stuff and started you know studying it, you know, years, years, centuries later.
00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:59.119
They started it's like, oh, this guy guess they were working on color.
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:01.199
Okay, yeah, it answers these questions.
00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:08.320
It's like I can say that I just discovered this, and I have a good marketing guy that says I'm the first one to ever think this thought.
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:11.039
So no one, no one else has read this book.
00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:12.880
So here we go.
00:51:13.360 --> 00:51:16.400
Believe it or not, new colors are still being like discovered.
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:21.679
Like just last month, there was a color discovered that some people are calling the greenest green.
00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:23.199
Uh oh, this is one of those.
00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:23.599
Okay.
00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:29.360
It's called um Olo O L O, and it looks not green to me.
00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:33.280
It looks like uh almost like a blue green with some white mixed in.
00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:37.519
But um, yeah, it was discovered April 18th, 2025.
00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:38.719
So that's very recent.
00:51:38.880 --> 00:51:42.159
I don't know why they're talking about it now because I just read an article about it the other day.
00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:51.679
It feels very like uh the whenever the the pinkest pink or the vanta black, you know, type of well, it's this isn't this isn't artist created, this is scientist created.
00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:54.559
They discovered it with something called the Oz laser.
00:51:54.880 --> 00:51:59.280
I don't know um all of the detail, but it can't be captured with a camera.
00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:02.639
Uh so isn't that convenient, scientists?
00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:05.039
Well, you know, that's interesting though.
00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:14.320
I've um when since we moved up here, we have a lot of flowers and we have we have a lot of stuff in the yard, and I take pictures of them and it doesn't it doesn't do it justice.
00:52:14.480 --> 00:52:17.920
So I I can understand this not being able to be captured by a camera.
00:52:18.079 --> 00:52:22.559
Like there's colors out there that a camera can't get, and I I have proof of that every day now.
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:28.639
Oh well, I mean like you try to take it, try to take a picture of the moon, and it you just look at it, you're like not even close.
00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:32.320
Yeah, not even not not even a good try on the moon.
00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:34.559
Again, that that is the limitation.
00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:37.920
That's the limitation on the number the number of switches.
00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:59.280
Like before, like uh when I'm teaching, uh I'm teaching PLC, which is involves counting in binary and all that stuff, and to illustrate it, it's like if you've ever played a Nintendo, the original Nintendo Entertainment System, it had eight bits, which limited it to like 64 colors.
00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:16.400
And if you had a Windows 3.1, you can remember that you know they had a red and orange, and a yellow and a blue, like there was a very limited palette of you know 16 colors at one point, and that's all we needed too, kids.
00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:21.039
So and then we get more uh switches turning on.
00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:22.000
Is the light on?
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:22.719
Yes or no?
00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:34.079
Now we've got 256 colors, and then we advance that, and now we're still limited to you know 1000 XXX, you know, amount of colors.
00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:38.880
But as we almost covered the entire like uh like SE catalog now, yeah.
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:53.199
And now it's it's as we get more switches and more control over what how we can control what produces light coming out of a screen, we could get more colors.
00:53:53.440 --> 00:54:09.039
Um we can like I'm sure like Jamie Marjorie is an artist in Orlando, and uh we've we've talked about him before, and he will take a picture of the art and post it online, and it's like this is amazing stuff.
00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:42.400
And we had the very distinct honor of sitting in his driveway uh during the pandemic while he brought out some of the stuff he was working on, and he is he he's one of those people that has extra senses, like he can see stuff that other humans cannot see, and he pulls it out and he creates it and puts it on a canvas and makes like I can look at his painting and I know I'm not seeing what he is seeing, but I can see much more than I've seen before.
00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:52.079
Like it's it's a dive into a depth that he knows about that you have you can like look at the surface of and go, okay, I think there's a fish down there somewhere.
00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:56.400
It's but it's nothing compared to like what he's got on the painting.
00:54:56.639 --> 00:55:05.679
Yeah, it's it's much more than I've seen before, but I do know that I'm not seeing to the depth and level that he sees.
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:24.000
And as an obstacle, he reminds me of like the the like uh sad, uh terrifying uh I think like Ukrainian uh guy who just like do like really spooky like skeletons, but like if they were alien and demon and all this other he was the I think he was the Polish.
00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:26.000
Yeah, we watched a documentary on him.
00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:28.320
I think I think he was the Polish guy.
00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:38.079
Uh but he he like he has these things of like even though a lot of his stuff is like black and white, there's this like grasp on like structure, uh-huh.
00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:46.320
Where it's like you can go, you can like imagine things like it how they are as they recede beyond vision.
00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:50.079
Is and uh is this is it is it kind of similar with what you're talking about with Jamie?
00:55:50.239 --> 00:56:00.079
Like that kind of like depth of like I can imagine the other sides of this thing, it's that you've done like such a a deep level of of painting this side of it, yeah.
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:05.599
That I understand this as a three-dimensional thing in space, not a painting or a scene.
00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:14.320
But but with Jane with Jamie's uh yes, in in that tech tactile sense, but also in a color sense.
00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:30.079
Like I know that he has reached uh uh he has picked out an indigo that I see oh as a certain color, but I know he is seeing it in like he's seeing the Mary Kay shades, yes, shade by shades.
00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:35.440
I feel he could cut he could probably find that Olo color somewhere and recreate it.
00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:43.360
I feel like he could see a color in our yard that we can't get our cat camera to capture and like come here and do a painting of it and be like, oh yeah, that's the color it is for real.
00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:45.519
It's the color, I'm looking at it right now.
00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:53.280
It's like the color of like a like when you shine a UV light on something green on that glow in the dark.
00:56:53.360 --> 00:56:55.760
It's the color of glow in the dark, is what it is.
00:56:56.159 --> 00:57:00.800
Oh like Mountain Dew with like Mountain Dew with uh with a blue black light through it.
00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:02.320
It's Baja Blast, yes.
00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:05.360
Oh yes, Baja Blast, yes, yes.
00:57:06.159 --> 00:57:06.800
Yes.
00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:13.920
I love that they're just like we can't, and I understand there's probably a depth to this that you when you see it in real life from the Oz laser, it's different.
00:57:14.079 --> 00:57:17.760
And if but like I looked it up in immediately, I was like, oh yeah, Baja Blast.
00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:29.280
Like if you go to the Wikipedia article about it too, they call it an imaginary color because you can't see it with the naked human eye, and only five people in the world have seen it, apparently.
00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:32.559
Well, did they get a pin?
00:57:33.119 --> 00:57:36.800
They have to give them something special, like a scarf, something like that.
00:57:37.119 --> 00:57:42.400
It's like I always think about that with like the you know, there's only like eight people in the world who speak Sanskrit.
00:57:42.559 --> 00:57:44.719
Like, do they know each other?
00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:46.400
Do they hang out?
00:57:46.639 --> 00:57:49.840
Like, let's let's get these guys in a room.
00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:53.519
I know that.
00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:54.480
Like, how did this happen?
00:57:54.639 --> 00:57:55.599
Also, how did this happen?
00:57:55.760 --> 00:58:00.639
Somebody had to teach somebody else, you teach yourself Sanskrit.
00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:02.000
I don't think.
00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:04.079
I don't think it's on Duolingo.
00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:06.079
I don't, I don't believe so.
00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:16.320
And if so, it would probably suck because I tried to learn Gaelic on Duolingo, and I got to a certain part of it where it just repeated itself and I didn't learn anything more.
00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:21.280
So I imagine Sanskrit would be like maybe just like one initial lesson that kept repeating.
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:23.519
That's all the budget they had.
00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:25.920
I think is it a written is it?
00:58:26.239 --> 00:58:26.880
It's recorded.
00:58:26.960 --> 00:58:28.239
I don't know if it's only written.
00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:30.079
For some reason, I associate it with being written.
00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:32.639
Maybe it's not, maybe it's both.
00:58:33.440 --> 00:58:34.880
Uh yeah.
00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:45.280
Uh so Ibn Al Haytham, uh writing the book of optics, uh got as close.
00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:47.280
I mean, this is 1021.
00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:50.400
Uh, and he had a huge breakthrough.
00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:53.599
And then uh what year was that?
00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:57.360
Uh how many and how many colors are we up to by 1021?
00:58:57.440 --> 00:58:59.199
Have we already gone through the gamut?
00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:03.199
Uh no, he they stopped at five there.
00:59:03.280 --> 00:59:06.079
Newton is the one that put the seven in right.
00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:09.599
Okay, he added orange and per and uh Newton's the one with OCD.
00:59:11.119 --> 00:59:18.239
Before there, uh there was another Persian, Kamal Al-Din al-Faris uh Ferris.
00:59:18.639 --> 00:59:37.119
Uh he basically uh was studying and looking at uh they they're discussing, you know, oh whenever they they finally got to the point where oh the moisture in the air is what's causing the rainbows across the sky.
00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:53.119
And so he did an experiment where he's in a dark room and uh opens up a tiny window to shine some light through a fishbowl full of water, and he was like, Oh, okay, here's what's actually happening.
00:59:53.199 --> 01:00:18.159
It's not just the lights bouncing off the water and going through that, it's it's going into the water and refracting and bouncing off the side of you know, it's refracting as it's going in and hitting the back wall of the the raindrop and bouncing, and then it's going through a second time and refracting and spreading even more, and that's what's giving us the rainbow.
01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:54.559
So all of this knowledge of you know the the Greeks uh being translated into Latin, and then the Persians being translated into Latin, and then uh I guess Newton was I can't remember where Newton was from, but all of that stuff is translated from Latin into whatever he's studying, and he's rich enough and bored enough and smart enough to to start messing around with stuff, and everyone's like, Oh, yeah, there's there's flaws in the the glass, and he's like, No, no, no, no, these Persian fellas figured out it's not that problem.
01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:57.760
I'm gonna steal this idea and let everyone know about it.
01:00:58.079 --> 01:01:00.559
No wonder people hate smart people, by the way.
01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:13.760
He's just like, like, it's like, please, uh just try to survive the winter, and then like this like fop is like, hmm, I wonder what causes the colors to be in the it's just the glass, dude.
01:01:13.840 --> 01:01:15.039
It's just the glass.
01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:16.880
Do you have bread or not?
01:01:16.960 --> 01:01:19.199
You know, and then he's like, no, no, no, no.
01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:23.199
An old Persian fellow by the name of Ibn Al-Rashid, uh, I believe.
01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:24.960
It's like, just beat him up.
01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:27.039
Beat I see Newton up.
01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:29.039
I love that.
01:01:29.679 --> 01:01:34.159
Your exposure to knowledge that I was not exposed to does not make you smarter, you shit.
01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:38.400
Yeah, like the other guy's like I don't have to, I guess I don't even have to be here for this conversation.
01:01:38.559 --> 01:01:45.599
Like uh, so yeah, Newton uh put uh a prism going out and a prism going in.
01:01:45.679 --> 01:01:54.000
So you know it splits the light and then puts the light back together, and he's like, see, it's it's it's all you know, it's all part of that light.
01:01:54.159 --> 01:02:06.719
And he actually measured it and said, This little section, you know, this wavelength from here to here is is red and you know, all through orange, yellow, blue, indigo, violet.
01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:07.440
Here we go.
01:02:07.599 --> 01:02:13.360
Or oh, yeah, I think he did the uh initial five and then his OCD kicked in, and he was like, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh.
01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:28.559
To be fair though, here's my thing with this indigo indigo thing is uh all of our uh little name badges on this thing are orange, you know, and I know that that is distinct from our little recording badge up there, which is red.
01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:33.360
So like good on him for going, like, yeah, there is something between yellow and red.
01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:39.440
But like, there's also like I think on the color wheel, you know, it wraps back around.
01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:45.679
Obviously, with light, it becomes ultraviolet and infrared at each end of the of the band.
01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:53.760
But like on the color wheel, you know, blue flows back into red pretty seamlessly through the use of a little guy I like to call purple.
01:02:53.920 --> 01:02:54.159
Yep.
01:02:54.480 --> 01:02:57.199
It's like I know purple exists, I'm good.
01:02:57.679 --> 01:03:00.079
Where who is indigo, man?
01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:01.920
Like orange is a banger.
01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:05.039
Good on you, good on you for orange, an all-timer.
01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:11.199
But I'm just like, he had to do his weird little like everything sevens, like, because of L to me.
01:03:11.760 --> 01:03:18.079
Like, um uh I I know what I'm about to say is gonna sound idiotic.
01:03:18.639 --> 01:03:39.760
I I I what I'm about to say is gonna sound completely idiotic because I have uh I mathematically I cannot connect math and music when I was a young child, and right now it's a little bit late in the game, and I'm trying to play catch up, but no one ever put it into mathematical formulas to make it make sense to me because every other child was like, oh bass.
01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:50.000
So the gearing of teaching music when I was a child was geared away from math and more towards creative, so it never made sense to me.
01:03:50.239 --> 01:04:05.440
But from uh A to B or from A to C is a full octave or something like that, and then from A to B is like a half-step octave or some some crap like that.
01:04:05.679 --> 01:04:17.599
Uh the step from red to yellow on the spectrum uh scale that he was using was a full step going oh of like a uh nanometer wavelength or whatever.
01:04:17.840 --> 01:04:18.960
Okay, yeah, exactly.
01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:21.519
And so orange was a half step.
01:04:21.679 --> 01:04:26.639
So then he went to the other end of the scale and said, Oh, here's the end, the other end of the scale.
01:04:26.719 --> 01:04:28.480
Here's purple, here's blue.
01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:30.079
Give me a half step.
01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:40.239
And also and and also to note, uh the at the time it's one of those marketing things where people have changed the definition of blue.
01:04:40.400 --> 01:05:04.639
At that time, Newton was looking at Cyan, uh, which is a lighter blue, so there was a huge distinction between the blue that he was describing and the purple that was coming out, and a half step in between there was the dark blue, and that's where he that's what he described as indigo, because at the time indigo was a very, very special color.
01:05:05.199 --> 01:05:06.559
Ah, okay.
01:05:07.119 --> 01:05:27.519
And uh it's going around where um, yeah, they in India they discovered this plant, and again, this is one of those ones where someone was doing something and it was pure accident, and someone stumbled upon something, and now we have a very strict process to create this thing.
01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:48.159
But um, because when you grind up the plant that makes indigo, it makes green or yellow, but if you put it underwater and let it soak for a while, it starts creating a blue because it starts to oxy.
01:05:48.639 --> 01:05:48.960
Go ahead.
01:05:49.199 --> 01:05:52.239
You yeah, you basically have to ferment the leaves to make the indigo.
01:05:52.639 --> 01:05:54.400
Ferment, that's yeah, yeah.
01:05:54.719 --> 01:06:01.760
So it's not oh, let me pick this berry and now I rub it on my Clothes and I've got purple.
01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:10.079
It's literally someone had to stumble upon something at some point, like it has to have been long, long ago.
01:06:10.639 --> 01:06:21.519
So almost really, if we want to think about it, it's almost more like the rainbow should be like Roigy Civ than Roiggy Biv.
01:06:22.000 --> 01:06:27.360
It's really more, it's really more of a thing of there was this thing that was blue.
01:06:27.519 --> 01:06:37.199
Because yeah, like honestly, blue, I think if you think about the different intensities and levels of blue, covers a lot, it covers a lot of the hues.
01:06:37.679 --> 01:06:45.280
So it makes sense that there would be that they would look at like a dark blue that distinctly isn't purple as a separate color.
01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:50.239
But I get yeah, I didn't think about like having we should bring back Cyan.
01:06:50.639 --> 01:06:53.440
Come on, Cyan, make another mist game.
01:06:53.679 --> 01:07:01.119
Here's something that has broken my brain about the rainbow, and that is in elementary school we learned a song about the colors of the rainbow.
01:07:01.280 --> 01:07:08.960
And I'm going to embarrassingly sing it for you now because indigo is nowhere in it, but there's another color that is in there that's not in the rainbow.
01:07:09.039 --> 01:07:15.760
Oh, and the song goes red and yellow and pink and green, purple and orange and blue.
01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:17.840
You can sing a rainbow, blah, blah, blah.
01:07:17.920 --> 01:07:18.719
But pink is in there.
01:07:18.880 --> 01:07:20.400
Pink isn't a rainbow color.
01:07:20.559 --> 01:07:22.320
Why do they teach me this wrong?
01:07:22.639 --> 01:07:23.199
Pink.
01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:32.239
Pink is like pink is like on another like dimension of coloredness that you have to like incorporate, which is uh saturation.
01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:36.000
So it's like, I don't know, like, yeah, kids.
01:07:36.159 --> 01:07:39.360
That that also is it, is it's like, well, that's not all the colors.
01:07:39.519 --> 01:07:40.960
I know that, and I'm five.
01:07:41.199 --> 01:07:43.119
Like Roigy Biv.
01:07:43.280 --> 01:07:45.280
No, that's about what about Royi Piv?
01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:54.880
Specifically, rainbow colors, and like music and science needed to get together and get their shit right because they could have made the words right to make it actual rainbow colors.
01:07:55.199 --> 01:08:00.480
This is will all be solved by the Vulcan domes that we put our eventual children in.
01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:04.400
But see, indigo is three syllables and pink is one.
01:08:04.960 --> 01:08:06.800
I'm gonna try to figure it out.
01:08:07.280 --> 01:08:08.400
Keep talking.
01:08:09.199 --> 01:08:33.039
I I think we needed like uh I would like to get someone musically inclined to to redo a bunch of stuff for my electrical classes that I'm teaching, uh, because I think it would like I grew up on schoolhouse rock, and I know things that I a child should not know, but it's embedded in my brain because I listened to those songs over and over, and they were magical.
01:08:33.199 --> 01:08:44.960
And the people does like the people that did schoolhouse rock and the people that did animaniacs and the people that did uh other educational shows like that could have done real evil stuff.
01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:54.960
Like, um, for instance, the people that did uh Time Out for Topper who you know got children addicted to cheese with a catchy little tune.
01:08:55.119 --> 01:09:12.079
Um, you know, it could be used like Jim Henson was a brilliant, brilliant person to discover he didn't do much for his own children, but for the rest of the children of the world, uh he came up with catchy little tunes to teach children all the things that they need to know.
01:09:12.319 --> 01:09:22.319
And uh yeah, about how I I know the zip codes of where I live and have lived, and also Chicago, Illinois.
01:09:22.479 --> 01:09:23.680
60652.
01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:26.239
Thanks, Scruff McGruff, the crime dog.
01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:30.000
Thanks for leaving that one in there forever.
01:09:30.479 --> 01:09:32.800
I know all 50 states because of the song, too.
01:09:32.880 --> 01:09:33.760
Also, I made it work.
01:09:33.840 --> 01:09:35.840
I'll sing it to you later, Mickey, if I can remember.
01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:38.720
Go ahead, make it okay.
01:09:38.800 --> 01:09:40.960
Hold on now, I gotta do it in my head again.
01:09:44.319 --> 01:09:45.600
Okay, it's really easy.
01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:51.520
All you do is you go red, orange, yellow, and digo, purple and green, and blue.
01:09:51.680 --> 01:09:52.720
That's all seven.
01:09:52.800 --> 01:09:54.880
Yeah, they could have given me the right colors.
01:09:55.039 --> 01:09:56.880
They weren't in the order in the sun they gave me.
01:09:56.960 --> 01:09:58.960
They don't need to be the or in in order in this one.
01:09:59.119 --> 01:10:05.039
And you know, like, you know, if you're precocious enough to go to raise your little hand and be like, uh, you know, what's what's pink?
01:10:05.359 --> 01:10:06.720
Oh, I fucking did.
01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:11.199
Yeah, and you know, your teacher would always be like, Well, that's a shade, and then you would just be like, What the fuck?
01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:12.479
What the what just happened?
01:10:12.720 --> 01:10:13.279
Yeah.
01:10:14.239 --> 01:10:16.319
What do you mean it's a shade?
01:10:16.720 --> 01:10:23.600
My music teacher could not explain it to me and just kept on playing the piano really loud and just tried to drown me out.
01:10:23.920 --> 01:10:25.680
You socratic little brat.
01:10:28.960 --> 01:10:44.800
Yeah, I would advocate for Socratic brats to just take over the world and uh and the world's gonna we'd have it would be very uncomfortable for a generation or two, but afterwards we would make such headway if if every little questioning child was allowed to question and bring it up.
01:10:45.039 --> 01:10:49.439
I do agree, but I also can't help but feel like somewhere on monkeys' paws curling in a closet somewhere.
01:10:49.600 --> 01:10:49.920
Oh yeah.
01:10:51.439 --> 01:11:03.359
One of the things our little group talked about while we were at the Jack White concert uh last weekend was if we were in the gifted program, and do you think that they're tracking everybody that was in the gifted program now?
01:11:03.439 --> 01:11:07.279
Like they made us do they made us do weird shit in the gifted program.
01:11:07.600 --> 01:11:16.560
Like our uh one of the things that the other girl that was with us mentioned was chewing up the pink tablets to see like how good you did brushing your teeth.
01:11:16.720 --> 01:11:19.520
Like, how are we supposed to know if that's really just for our teeth?
01:11:19.680 --> 01:11:22.399
Like, there's a lot of stuff they could have slipped in on us.
01:11:22.479 --> 01:11:24.800
We could be being tracked, I'm just saying.
01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:27.039
It's a pink tablet.
01:11:27.520 --> 01:11:29.039
It sparked something in my imagination.
01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:30.880
Yeah.
01:11:31.199 --> 01:12:12.399
Oh, I I definitely know that like I know the Navy has my DNA, and uh, I am pretty sure at some point they're going to create uh a super like out of not necessarily my DNA, but there were there were people in my uh department that were uh trapped geniuses, like they were too poor to go to college, so they signed up for this, which was the most advanced version of uh working class uh education for the military, and you know, they sucked our DNA out saying it was for identification in case we blew up and they couldn't find our dog tags.
01:12:12.479 --> 01:12:18.079
It's like, well, you've used dog tags for 200 years now.
01:12:18.399 --> 01:12:23.520
Uh it seems like a pretty good system, and then they're like, Yeah, but Vietnam.
01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:30.239
So, you know, they sold us on the idea that DNA tracking in case, you know, so that they could match our bot our corpses.
01:12:30.319 --> 01:12:32.479
And I'm like, well, that's kind of you know what?
01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:34.399
If I'm a corpse, just throw me over.
01:12:34.479 --> 01:12:35.600
I sh whatever.
01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:39.920
You know, my pay my mom was just gonna, you know, she'll just turn me into ashes anyway.
01:12:40.159 --> 01:12:44.560
We need we need the data of which genes will survive the wars.
01:12:45.199 --> 01:12:49.119
Um I'm every bad guy in a sci-fi movie from the 80s.
01:12:50.720 --> 01:13:02.399
So they're definitely gonna and and most of the people that were in the nuclear program for the Navy were most likely gifted children, unless they were too uh uh back then.
01:13:02.479 --> 01:13:04.000
They called you funny, I think.
01:13:04.159 --> 01:13:04.800
Oh, yeah, yeah.
01:13:05.600 --> 01:13:06.960
He's a little odd.
01:13:07.680 --> 01:13:10.239
Uh don't mind him, he's a little weird.
01:13:10.479 --> 01:13:34.159
I mean, there were a few disciplinary problems, but generally speaking, we were a bunch of odd fellas that could figure stuff out, and and there's there's definitely a mad genius in a navy in a in a military lab somewhere that's like, oh, take a little bit of this guy, and take a little bit of this guy, take a navy shield and mix him with a new guy, and he'll be a really smart, tough guy.
01:13:34.239 --> 01:13:39.840
And um now I want to see a cartoon comic book guy for those simple.
01:13:40.319 --> 01:13:50.079
I want to see a cartoon superhero show that's called called Oddfellows Guys Who Figure Stuff Out, and that guy's obviously the star.
01:13:51.359 --> 01:14:13.199
Um, so yeah, the some weirdos over in India figured out that they could ferment these weeds in big uh cement uh wells that they created, and over time they created a dye for that was amazing in all everything that I've read about indigo dye.
01:14:13.520 --> 01:14:22.239
It it it does so many amazing things, like it bonds to cloth in ways that no other dye will bond.
01:14:22.560 --> 01:14:27.600
Um I I uh did a little bit of I don't know if this is something you're gonna touch on, and if so, I apologize.
01:14:27.920 --> 01:14:28.239
Go ahead.
01:14:28.479 --> 01:14:44.880
But uh, I did I did a little bit of research about indigo and cloth and why that they dyed the police uniforms like that color, because that kind of ties into Julio Torres a little bit because he thinks uh all authority figures are navy blue, which is indigo-y.
01:14:45.199 --> 01:14:54.800
But um, the reason that they did that is because of how color fast it is, it doesn't run in the rain like a bunch of the older dyes did, and I think that's really interesting.
01:14:55.119 --> 01:14:58.399
Yeah, it bonds to the mustard stains better.
01:14:59.199 --> 01:15:02.239
Oh, and then better for jelly donut squirts.
01:15:02.960 --> 01:15:15.439
The color uh well, much later, uh it's used for denim jeans because of it hiding, having the ability to hide uh stains and and whatnot.
01:15:15.680 --> 01:15:25.520
And on top of that, the way it bonded to cotton and other fabrics, it made it softer and less chafy.
01:15:25.680 --> 01:15:39.600
So, like you if you had the choice between brown jeans and blue jeans, uh they you know, people started buying the brown jeans, and then like, hey, this is causing chafing in areas I don't want it to chafe.
01:15:39.840 --> 01:15:44.399
Um, but I tried the blue stuff and it was good.
01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:54.640
So more people started buying the blue stuff, and then because of the sales being much more on the blue side than the brown side, they stopped making the brown jeans.
01:15:54.720 --> 01:16:01.039
So now blue is the color of blue jeans, and Neil Simon Neil Diamond got a song out of it.
01:16:01.279 --> 01:16:06.720
I have a a question related to blue jeans coming up that I think we're gonna have my friend Aubrey on.
01:16:06.800 --> 01:16:10.720
Uh, I'll go ahead and tell you what it is now so you can start thinking about it, but it's not for a long way.
01:16:10.880 --> 01:16:14.640
Why do blue jeans go with any top, but blue pants don't?
01:16:14.960 --> 01:16:20.239
I think it's like uh you know how it's not even the dying, it's generally not like completely even.
01:16:20.479 --> 01:16:25.840
I think that creates like a dazzle camo effect that breaks up the outline of stuff.
01:16:26.079 --> 01:16:33.279
So you just sort of end up you're like, okay, you're like a just a person kind of shaped thing, and then the top is just like, well, there you go.
01:16:33.359 --> 01:16:33.680
I don't know.
01:16:34.720 --> 01:16:35.840
Yeah, I don't know.
01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:36.960
That's interesting.
01:16:37.119 --> 01:16:38.319
Um that's related.
01:16:38.720 --> 01:16:40.159
Never thought about that in my life.
01:16:40.479 --> 01:16:55.920
So uh, like any special thing, um, if it's reserved for the richest of the rich, uh, then the next level of rich get jealous and try to find a way to make it their own.
01:16:56.319 --> 01:17:05.279
Uh so um enstvement happened in India and in China and and Peru.
01:17:05.520 --> 01:17:11.920
The oldest uh uh evidence of indigo dye being used was in Peru.
01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:32.479
So it was like it was such a special color and special and a special plant um that grew like no one in Peru was was talking to anyone in India whenever they created this dye, but it happened in Peru, and it and that's the oldest uh evidence that we've had of it.
01:17:32.800 --> 01:17:41.920
But it also happened shortly after that in India without anyone from Peru flying over to India and saying, Hey guys, have you checked this out?
01:17:42.079 --> 01:17:50.800
It just someone saw it, and you know, a bunch of weirdos finding fermented plant life going, Hey, this makes a neat color.
01:17:51.279 --> 01:18:16.239
Um so the the middle rich people started buying up farms in India and enslaving a bunch of uh Indian workers uh to basically farm the shit out of this plant that would make this die, and then enslave the people making the die so that they could ship it home and make mass, mass profits off of it.
01:18:16.319 --> 01:18:18.079
Um enslave the ships.
01:18:18.159 --> 01:18:19.439
It's vertical integration.
01:18:19.600 --> 01:18:20.399
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:25.760
But from one end to the other, we've got slaves moving this stuff all over the world.
01:18:26.159 --> 01:18:26.640
What do you do?
01:18:26.880 --> 01:18:29.199
I own the color blue, basically.
01:18:29.359 --> 01:18:32.079
I own blue, you know that color, that's mine.
01:18:32.720 --> 01:18:38.640
And then um they tried using it for paint and it didn't quite work well.
01:18:39.279 --> 01:18:52.399
Uh and um, I during the dyeing process, when you like put a white thing into the dye and pull it out, immediately it's like a green color, it's not blue, it doesn't turn blue until it gets exposed to the oxygen longer.
01:18:52.479 --> 01:18:57.760
So it's such a weird, like it's I imagine that it looked like magic to them back then.
01:18:58.239 --> 01:19:00.800
Like it had to be a magical dye.
01:19:01.039 --> 01:19:05.600
And if you were one of the people that can control that, then you became a master.
01:19:05.760 --> 01:19:25.520
And uh part of the the thing that uh we watched a documentary on it, and part of the thing is everything about the process is a very d is a very close held secret, and it's a dying breed of people that actually know of it because of the synthetic dye that comes out later.
01:19:25.680 --> 01:19:37.920
Um but they couldn't make it into paint, so they found caves in Afghanistan, and uh they found this rock azure's lapis something or other.
01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:39.039
Ah, lazuli.
01:19:39.359 --> 01:19:40.800
Lapis lazuli, yeah.
01:19:42.079 --> 01:19:47.359
They found that they could take the rock and crush it and then mix it with some oil and make some paint.
01:19:47.680 --> 01:19:57.279
And because it was so expensive and so special, they reserved it for very few paintings, and uh most of it was religious.
01:19:57.520 --> 01:20:06.800
So if you ever see a painting of Mary with her shawl and her blue, like she's got like a blue uh cloak almost cloak on.
01:20:07.119 --> 01:20:13.199
That blue represents the special, like it was reserved for paintings of Mary because she was so special.
01:20:13.359 --> 01:20:17.279
Uh it was the stone set in Zeus's shield, I believe.
01:20:17.439 --> 01:20:19.760
His shield was made out of lapis lazuli.
01:20:19.840 --> 01:20:50.319
Yeah, like it was that special to them, and also blue was like, I guess, so rare that like they were like, This is Zeus's, like, first of all, Sky Guys kind of and uh because the rock was so special and they wanted more of it, because if you if someone else has it and you don't, you want to get it, and if you can get it, then you want to be able to sell it, so they enslaved a bunch of Afghanistan people and dang it again in order to mine this rock.
01:20:50.640 --> 01:20:59.840
Uh and it was so it was so um mystical that uh we talked about the Dutch painter Vermeer.
01:21:00.239 --> 01:21:08.399
Uh he painted he was trying to uh create his own style basically.
01:21:08.560 --> 01:21:11.600
So he bought a crap load of this stuff.
01:21:11.840 --> 01:21:19.119
Uh so much so that it bankrupted his family and put him in large amounts of debt for the rest of his life.
01:21:19.279 --> 01:21:26.720
Uh but like that that tweet that's like uh like food,$100, gas,$600, rent,$1,200.
01:21:27.279 --> 01:21:32.640
Uh like blue die,$13,526.
01:21:33.199 --> 01:21:35.760
Please help my family is starving.
01:21:37.680 --> 01:21:40.079
He's like the guy that inspired that, I guess.
01:21:40.239 --> 01:21:41.119
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
01:21:41.279 --> 01:21:43.840
Uh yeah, and he if you if you're on familiar.
01:21:44.560 --> 01:21:44.880
What was it?
01:21:44.960 --> 01:21:45.279
The die?
01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:46.399
He bought the die?
01:21:46.960 --> 01:21:48.239
He bought the rock.
01:21:48.479 --> 01:21:48.960
The rock.
01:21:49.119 --> 01:21:54.239
Well, he bought the paint made from the rock from such quanties that he bankrupted him and his family.
01:21:54.399 --> 01:21:54.960
Jesus.
01:21:55.359 --> 01:22:01.840
Yeah, but one of his paintings is so well known that there's like a different version of it on a giant building here in Detroit.
01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:03.359
Like it's a he he didn't.
01:22:08.560 --> 01:22:12.880
Yeah, the the the story of the girl with the pearl earrings.
01:22:13.039 --> 01:22:16.560
Uh, he used a lot of blue paint.
01:22:16.720 --> 01:22:41.680
Uh, and it was such a special painting in Dutch history that um there was some gentleman in the Dutch court that purchased it, it was like 24 uh the equivalent of 24 euros today, and he bought it because it was banged up and he didn't want someone else to come grab it and take it away from the Netherlands.
01:22:42.000 --> 01:22:51.279
And when the Nazis invaded it, that was one of the paintings they hid underneath uh the museum in order to save it and preserve it.
01:22:51.600 --> 01:23:01.119
And in 1994, they cleaned up the painting, and then like in 2000 or something like that, Scarlett Johansson made an entire movie about it.
01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:12.479
So uh, but yeah, he did a whole crap load of other paintings using this blue rock paint uh because he just wanted the indigo color to to happen.
01:23:12.720 --> 01:23:14.319
Well, he'd he had better.
01:23:14.560 --> 01:23:17.119
Yeah, I want a painting that's nothing but that.
01:23:17.199 --> 01:23:18.800
You better fucking use all of it.
01:23:19.039 --> 01:23:20.800
It's not even the biggest part of the painting.
01:23:20.880 --> 01:23:23.119
The painting is mostly like a yellow goldy color.
01:23:23.199 --> 01:23:26.960
There's just like one band across her forehead that is the the blue.
01:23:27.279 --> 01:23:28.159
Great band.
01:23:29.119 --> 01:23:31.199
No notes on the band, you know.
01:23:31.359 --> 01:23:38.720
Uh, but just very kind of funny to look at the band, her hair band, and be like, yeah, that bankrupted a family.
01:23:38.960 --> 01:23:39.279
Yeah.
01:23:39.520 --> 01:23:44.399
That was that caused that caused marital issues, very likely.
01:23:45.279 --> 01:23:52.800
And uh another uh press agent for the color indigo itself was Charles Linnaeus.
01:23:53.039 --> 01:23:58.079
Uh he is a Swedish botanist, ecologist, and physician.
01:23:58.159 --> 01:24:02.399
He is known as the father of taxonomy taxonomy.
01:24:02.720 --> 01:24:08.560
Okay is the one that uh named the indigo.
01:24:08.720 --> 01:24:10.640
Oh, what was the bird that we looked at, Jackie?
01:24:10.800 --> 01:24:11.920
I wrote everything but that.
01:24:12.159 --> 01:24:14.640
And I wanted to say this indigo bunting.
01:24:14.800 --> 01:24:26.560
Yeah, the indigo bunting, because uh the bunting of the bird, like the the chest area was a was the purest of indigos, and they would fluff it out trying to attract women.
01:24:26.720 --> 01:24:33.439
And oh my god, some of the like the buntings and and some of these birds uh doing their little dance and stuff.
01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:42.640
I I've never been a fan of nature shows, but watching a bird clean up its air, its dance floor so that it could do its little uh sexy dance for the ladies.
01:24:43.119 --> 01:24:51.760
I I I don't want to keep up bringing Jamie Marjorie, but I was gonna say the dancing the dancing bird in real life video.
01:24:53.680 --> 01:25:05.920
Uh really well uh I wish I remembered which episode of Off the Air that was, but if you ever do want to see it, and also our friend Alex Luchin is in that video, friend of the program, and he doesn't even know Graham it.
01:25:06.239 --> 01:25:20.079
But uh uh Carl Carl Linnaeus uh had a little bit of juice because he uh accidentally pop he he did he did good across the board, like he was a good uh agent for for certain things.
01:25:20.159 --> 01:25:24.720
He's the one that uh popularized the metric system.
01:25:24.880 --> 01:25:32.239
Like before um uh Anders Celsius uh was like, oh, here we go.
01:25:32.479 --> 01:25:40.800
Uh zero is where we're boiling water and in a hundred degrees Celsius, uh we're measuring how cold things get.
01:25:40.960 --> 01:25:44.239
At a hundred degrees Celsius, it's gonna freeze.
01:25:44.560 --> 01:25:54.560
And uh uh Linnaeus was was using a thermometer to deal with some plants or whatever, and he's like, This makes no sense at all.
01:25:54.800 --> 01:25:59.760
As the as the as the markers go up, my plants freeze.
01:25:59.920 --> 01:26:04.960
So he called up a place and said, here, use this scale, but reverse it.
01:26:05.119 --> 01:26:11.439
I want water boiling at 100 and freezing at zero, and and we'll try this.
01:26:11.680 --> 01:26:15.920
Oh, he was uh he was the first proponent of user-friendly uh interfaces.
01:26:16.159 --> 01:26:17.760
That's really what he was.
01:26:18.399 --> 01:26:25.439
Uh so a bunch of his friends coming out checking out his plants, or like, yo, Carl, what what what's this thing here?
01:26:25.520 --> 01:26:28.159
And he's like, Oh, yeah, it's my new thermometer, it's a Celsius.
01:26:28.239 --> 01:26:30.319
And they're like, wait, no, Celsius goes the other way around.
01:26:30.399 --> 01:26:31.359
He's like, No, no, no, no.
01:26:31.520 --> 01:26:34.079
This is the new Celsius, this is the new way we're doing it.
01:26:34.319 --> 01:26:41.039
And a bunch of uh a bunch of the uh scientists of the era was like, Yeah, that makes so much sense.
01:26:41.119 --> 01:26:45.520
That that is so much better than Anders thing, whatever the hell he was thinking.
01:26:45.760 --> 01:26:55.199
And then the French Revolution came across, and they were like, Yes, this new Celsius thing, that's that is the official temperature of France.
01:26:55.359 --> 01:26:59.840
And since we're doing this zero to one hundred thing, we're just we'll carry it through.
01:26:59.920 --> 01:27:04.880
Uh, no more imperial stuff, we're just gonna do the zero to hundred thing all over the place.
01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:08.720
Let's upside down Celsius is a tool of the bourgeoisie.
01:27:11.039 --> 01:27:28.960
Uh so so you know, having him uh discuss it, uh or having him push the indigo uh bunting bird, uh push the indigo blur brand a little bit further into uh the stratosphere, especially.
01:27:29.359 --> 01:27:56.159
Uh so yeah, we've we've gotten the Afghan mines producing the Lapish Losure uh rock, we've got the Indians, the uh the India Indians, the Peruvian Indians, and the uh uh I believe in China and Japan and all over the tropical zone of the world creating this plant or growing this plant.
01:27:56.479 --> 01:27:59.760
And in India, that was the British came in.
01:28:00.159 --> 01:28:01.840
And locked a bunch of stuff down.
01:28:02.079 --> 01:28:24.800
They had ordered, because they were using it so much for naval and other officer or other official military things, they ordered the farmers to dedicate 15% of the land that any of the farmers owned to growing this plant so that they can make massive and massive amounts of dye.
01:28:26.159 --> 01:28:33.760
And then a whole bunch of enslavement and a bunch of forced deals.
01:28:34.159 --> 01:28:44.319
And then one day Gandhi is walking around India and one of the farmers comes up and says, Hey Gandhi, let me talk at you for a minute.
01:28:58.239 --> 01:29:18.960
From this uh dye in order to get the land back so that we could grow food so that we could eat, because the all the rest of the farmland is going to food that they're selling off, and the 15% of the land that we have to use for ourselves, they made us sign papers to grow this dye plant.
01:29:19.199 --> 01:29:24.720
So there's nothing left for us to food, and we want to food because we're hungry.
01:29:24.960 --> 01:29:28.079
I me sure would like to food if that's okay with you.
01:29:28.479 --> 01:29:30.079
Gonnie's like, What's the big deal?
01:29:30.159 --> 01:29:31.039
Just don't eat.
01:29:31.199 --> 01:29:34.000
Uh okay, I did not expect that.
01:29:35.039 --> 01:29:35.520
No, no, no.
01:29:35.840 --> 01:29:36.800
That's what that guy said.
01:29:36.880 --> 01:29:39.039
That guy said it was you know, there were a lot of answers.
01:29:39.119 --> 01:29:42.399
I was I was expecting to come out your mouth than that was the last one.
01:29:42.479 --> 01:29:44.159
That was the last one that I could think of.
01:29:44.319 --> 01:29:45.359
Uh, no, no, no.
01:29:45.439 --> 01:29:53.119
Uh so Ghani took on their case and uh visited a couple farms, and he's like, Oh, this is this is total bullshit.
01:29:53.439 --> 01:30:02.399
And um I like this is the birth of non-violent um protest, protest.
01:30:02.640 --> 01:30:12.560
Uh they wanted to they arrested him uh for getting involved, and then they're like, Well, let's just let him go and send him on his way and get him out of here.
01:30:12.800 --> 01:30:14.399
He's like, Oh no, no, no, no.
01:30:14.640 --> 01:30:15.920
No, no, no, no.
01:30:16.319 --> 01:30:17.600
You have a law.
01:30:17.920 --> 01:30:19.600
I broke the law.
01:30:19.920 --> 01:30:24.479
I must go through the court system and be tried for breaking this law.
01:30:24.640 --> 01:30:27.760
You must try me instead of letting me go.
01:30:27.840 --> 01:30:30.319
And he refused to just walk away.
01:30:30.800 --> 01:30:50.800
And be based on those uh uh court hearings, it got a lot of attention and essentially caught in instead of them trying him, he basically turned it back on the the new British owners of the land and said, Hey, this is what you guys have done.
01:30:51.279 --> 01:30:52.479
Is this right?
01:30:52.720 --> 01:31:05.439
And helped change the entire indigo uh die system uh based on those court hearings because he's just this is British occupied India, which is is that is that what they call the Raj?
01:31:06.159 --> 01:31:23.680
Yes, yes, the the the sort of like puppet leaders that they put in charge that the British put in charge while they were you know they had to go back and change their lace uh socks, so they left like kind of a uh a worm tongue type Indian in charge.
01:31:23.920 --> 01:31:24.640
Okay, yeah.
01:31:24.960 --> 01:31:35.680
And they also uh this leads into uh the British uh policy of I only know how courts work through Lord of the Rings, medieval courts.
01:31:35.920 --> 01:31:58.079
Uh but this also the uh the because of the uprising, you know, it started to become an uprising, is where uh Britain uh the British uh developed a new style called partitioning, where they split a country in half just to make it more manageable, which is where we ended up getting Pakistan versus India.
01:31:58.239 --> 01:32:05.600
Oh and then later on we they did it in Israel and separated out Israel and Gaza and Pakistan.
01:32:05.840 --> 01:32:14.159
And as we know, that worked out just fine, and it's been good ever since they did that, and great job, everybody, on that.
01:32:16.479 --> 01:32:21.279
Then coming up to the plate is a company called BASF.
01:32:21.520 --> 01:32:34.880
It is something it's a German conglomeration of words, but uh, if you lived in the 80s, uh BASF uh didn't make things, they just made things better, uh, was the tagline.
01:32:35.199 --> 01:32:39.359
Uh and a lot of videotapes at the time in the 80s were BASF.
01:32:39.920 --> 01:32:42.000
That's that's the first thing I thought of.
01:32:43.039 --> 01:32:47.840
Uh they got started and they created uh some map physical tapes themselves.
01:32:48.000 --> 01:32:49.600
That they they made those, okay.
01:32:49.760 --> 01:32:53.840
Yeah, well, they made the technology and then they bought the company and slapped their name on it.
01:32:54.079 --> 01:32:54.399
Oh, okay.
01:32:54.560 --> 01:32:54.880
Gotcha.
01:32:55.039 --> 01:32:59.359
If you wanted a high quality video tape, it was BASF was the top notch.
01:32:59.520 --> 01:33:08.560
Uh but here's the the thing is uh they created synthetic uh a way to create a synthetic indigo die.
01:33:09.119 --> 01:34:05.439
And they paired up with Levi Strauss and made the dye uh into you know, they basically blue jeans are starting to sell all over America and all over the world, and they're making bank, which then crashes the need for uh the homegrown India um indigo, uh which then makes that 15% that they were, you know, the the farmers were actually making the the deals that they were trapped into was oh, you can make some money off of this indigo to help pay off this thing, and uh because the demand for uh natural indigo went away, the farmers were trying to make the Indians pay for the loss of their profits because now everyone's buying synthetic ink or synthetic dye.
01:34:05.680 --> 01:34:13.520
So that was part of the the whole uh court thing was like you're demanding payment for a profit that you're not making.
01:34:14.560 --> 01:34:20.319
It's you're trying to get the the poor Indian farmers to make up for your losses.
01:34:20.560 --> 01:34:23.520
This is not a good contract at all.
01:34:24.720 --> 01:34:42.880
Um uh and then um uh again again, World War II and Nazis and BASF being a German company uh used forced labor, also known as Steving.
01:34:43.199 --> 01:34:45.840
Um Stevery.
01:34:46.319 --> 01:34:47.039
Stevery.
01:34:47.119 --> 01:34:57.840
Uh some of the chemicals used to eliminate an uh entire type of people was you know inventions uh from the BASF company.
01:34:58.720 --> 01:35:04.000
Um they have since been we do videotapes and other things as well.
01:35:05.039 --> 01:35:06.560
Classic Germans.
01:35:06.880 --> 01:35:23.119
And at a time uh post-World War II at a time where people were trying really, really hard to hold people accountable for atrocious behavior or you know, human atrocities, uh war crimes and stuff.
01:35:23.359 --> 01:35:40.079
24 of the uh executives at BAS BASF were brought to trial and found guilty and put in jail and then released uh six months later so that they could go back to work inventing other stuff.
01:35:40.399 --> 01:35:55.439
So, you know, it's kind of like that, you know, whenever they were like, hey, the scientist that created missiles that bombed the shit out of England, yeah, we'll go ahead and put them in charge of NASA because hey, hey, no genocide, pal, okay?
01:35:55.840 --> 01:36:02.640
All right, don't let me catch you, don't let me see you back in here for genocide, or I'm gonna be real mad.
01:36:03.199 --> 01:36:33.119
Uh yeah, so you know, there's uh so between uh you know a botanist and a Newton and German uh German industry and know-how and all this other stuff, you know, we get a lot of people pushing the agenda of indigo, and uh it it is still it is it's blue, it is it's navy blue, essentially, is what it is.
01:36:33.279 --> 01:36:35.039
Uh we've we've dialed it out.
01:36:35.119 --> 01:36:49.920
Now there are things the Greenland Iceland situation where it's like you know, somewhere along the line these wires kind of got crossed, and maybe what we know of as blue is is what indigo is, and that's where that slipped in.
01:36:50.079 --> 01:37:01.760
It was it's just that, like, yeah, I think Newton is looking at a much brighter blue and going, all right, well, that's blue, uh and here's the here's the sixth of seven notes, the indigo.
01:37:02.239 --> 01:37:04.720
Uh, I think that's probably what we're looking at.
01:37:04.960 --> 01:37:17.520
Yeah, so yeah, we end up with uh the question is is uh one that has to reach deep into history and pull out a lot of stuff because we're not dealing with what we were dealing with then.
01:37:17.680 --> 01:37:19.279
It's kind of like new and improved.
01:37:19.439 --> 01:37:43.359
Everyone you slap on new and improved, and or warning, you slap enough warning signs, it becomes meaningless, and and it's just like noise instead of actual a message, and indigo has been devalued so much that they're actually there's movements trying to remove it from the the rainbow, and it's like no Pluto situation.
01:37:43.600 --> 01:37:51.039
Yeah, we should be removed, like if anything, we should be adding more colors to the rainbow because there are more colors to the rainbow.
01:37:51.279 --> 01:37:52.479
That's my whole thing, actually.
01:37:52.560 --> 01:37:58.159
And honestly, we can wrote Pluto in on that as well, where it's like, what a dumb thing for them to do.
01:37:58.239 --> 01:38:04.399
And it's like, I almost feel like they do like the Pluto thing almost seemed like it was like, does science need money?
01:38:04.720 --> 01:38:09.520
And they like need like a controversy to kick up so that like people can care about it again?
01:38:09.680 --> 01:38:22.479
Because people took, first of all, they took the the Pluto demotion very per like more personally than I think scientists ever anticipated, because they're like, Well, this is my job, it's my job to decide what a planet is and isn't.
01:38:22.720 --> 01:38:25.039
We've really come to the conclusion that it's not.
01:38:25.119 --> 01:38:38.079
And people, people got up out of their beds, they got on their computers, they made their voices known about how offensive it was that Pluto was not a planet anymore.
01:38:38.319 --> 01:38:50.159
This idea that they will never physically you can't see Pluto in the night sky, like it's not a it's not gonna affect you, but they got real mad about it.
01:38:50.319 --> 01:38:54.720
And it's like it's almost like this, like uh speaking of PR, it's almost like a stunt.
01:38:54.800 --> 01:38:57.439
It's like a stunt to get people to go, okay.
01:38:57.520 --> 01:39:02.000
Well, hey, donate to NASA or donate to you know SETI or whatever.
01:39:02.239 --> 01:39:30.640
Uh but man, like it comes down, and it's one of those things where it's like I was whenever I went into quality assurance, I had there was a lot of pushback because people were like, Well, this is the way we always did it, and it's like, well, the way you always did it is wrong now because there's new laws in place that says what you we can't do that no more, like it it simply is things change, words change.
01:39:30.720 --> 01:39:32.960
Like, I I watched an argument.
01:39:33.039 --> 01:39:37.199
Uh I follow Merriam Webster's on on one of the social medias.
01:39:37.439 --> 01:39:39.600
Oh, he wants some nerd fights, you know.
01:39:40.319 --> 01:39:48.319
And like people are like, uh uh they're arguing uh with uh Miriam Webster.
01:39:48.560 --> 01:39:50.079
It's like, what are you talking about?
01:39:50.159 --> 01:39:51.199
Who what's your source?
01:39:51.279 --> 01:39:53.359
And it's like us, us.
01:39:55.199 --> 01:40:02.399
We're literally the source on Word Social Media Manager for the dictionary company.
01:40:02.640 --> 01:40:04.800
Like it look it up, it's there.
01:40:05.279 --> 01:40:10.720
And by the way, we are right next to the door to Roger, so like don't even get me started on thesauruses.
01:40:12.159 --> 01:40:14.079
I mean, you want me to say it in another way?
01:40:14.159 --> 01:40:15.359
I'll just go get Roger over here.
01:40:16.399 --> 01:40:18.640
Let me roll with my boy Roger on this one.
01:40:18.880 --> 01:40:22.960
Uh, but like someone was arguing that the meanings of words don't change.
01:40:23.039 --> 01:40:25.760
It's like, yeah, yeah, they do, they do.
01:40:26.319 --> 01:40:29.600
Uh, so we're in a game, we're in a we're in a flux situation.
01:40:30.239 --> 01:40:38.720
Start using the word ris in front of someone that thinks words don't change and watch how fast they were like, oh, someone, you know.
01:40:38.880 --> 01:40:47.119
I think it I think it might have been you, Christian, but someone recently told me that one of my favorite words to use to mean like something's a fun time, but not too deep.
01:40:47.279 --> 01:40:49.119
Uh Bop is what I call that.
01:40:49.199 --> 01:40:53.760
Like if this movie was a bop, means that it's somebody that sleeps around.
01:40:53.920 --> 01:40:55.119
Like, I do not know.
01:40:55.439 --> 01:40:56.880
Oh, I thought it was someone who was hot.
01:40:56.960 --> 01:40:58.560
I thought Bop was like you were hot.
01:40:58.880 --> 01:40:59.600
I'll go with that.
01:40:59.760 --> 01:41:01.520
I'll go with someone being hot being a bop.
01:41:01.840 --> 01:41:10.479
I'm sure maybe there's a way you could spin that into you know, a thought type of category or or something, some kind of slang like that.
01:41:10.720 --> 01:41:17.359
But like I mean, especially now that I work at like a dental lab with adults that are only aging forwards.
01:41:17.600 --> 01:41:26.720
Uh I'm not we're not getting like an influx of a new teen every you know six months so that I can learn how slang is like I am gonna fall off the wagon.
01:41:26.880 --> 01:41:28.399
Like it is hard.
01:41:28.720 --> 01:41:33.359
If I get a youth in my area, I ask them what words they're saying.
01:41:33.520 --> 01:41:39.279
I used to ask my daughter, you know, like once a quarter to keep me up on whatever slang, but she's not a youth anymore.
01:41:39.359 --> 01:41:40.560
I gotta find new youths.
01:41:40.640 --> 01:41:42.880
Now I have a couple of twins that I ask pretty regularly.
01:41:43.119 --> 01:41:52.159
I I heard the six seven thing and I I got real scared because I was just like, ah, it's because I think like six seven is like a it's like a nihilistic phrase.
01:41:52.399 --> 01:41:55.199
It like inherently doesn't mean anything.
01:41:55.279 --> 01:41:56.720
It means like, eh, whatever.
01:41:56.960 --> 01:41:59.600
It literally means I think whatever.
01:42:00.239 --> 01:42:17.439
And also it's like cryptic enough that it pisses off uh what I would call, you're like in the way that there are true bugs, true adults, which when you reach 37 uh and above, is like that's when like your ears just sort of close off to the idea of of slang, I think, in a major way.
01:42:17.680 --> 01:42:18.159
Nothing.
01:42:18.319 --> 01:42:23.920
And like not, but like there's a there's a point at which you like I said, you slip off the wagon.
01:42:24.239 --> 01:42:31.279
It's longer for some of us, but uh, but like we're we're not even like you're seeking it out.
01:42:31.520 --> 01:42:32.960
Yes, I actively seek it out.
01:42:33.119 --> 01:42:33.359
I know.
01:42:33.600 --> 01:42:39.039
Maybe I don't know what the age of the people you're teaching is, but like I know that I'm now I'm done.
01:42:39.199 --> 01:42:41.359
I'm what they call cooked, I'm an unk.
01:42:41.680 --> 01:42:42.479
Uh for sure.
01:42:42.880 --> 01:42:44.079
You're cooked, unk.
01:42:44.319 --> 01:42:51.039
And and so like, but the six seven, uh the six seven is like them inventing a slang thing that just like fucks with adults.
01:42:51.279 --> 01:42:52.960
Yeah, that's was that's exactly it.
01:42:53.199 --> 01:42:56.560
And it's it's like the one that's beautiful, but two, I'm an adult.
01:42:56.720 --> 01:42:58.079
I just wanted to talk.
01:42:58.319 --> 01:43:07.760
I didn't want to like menace you in any way, you know, my uh friend's cousin at his sister's birthday party or whatever.
01:43:08.479 --> 01:43:09.279
I don't know.
01:43:09.520 --> 01:43:10.079
Sorry.
01:43:10.239 --> 01:43:15.520
I got I got roasted because uh to as a joke, I sent the full video of something.
01:43:15.760 --> 01:43:24.239
Like that was the title of you know, the title was the bit we we I was talking about, and the person sent back the first was AT, a former co-worker.
01:43:24.479 --> 01:43:29.199
And uh he was like, dude, the whole video is crazy.
01:43:30.399 --> 01:43:35.439
Meaning, meaning like, meaning like, why didn't you send this as like a four-second TikTok clip?
01:43:35.680 --> 01:43:38.800
You sent the entire two and a half minute video.
01:43:39.119 --> 01:43:41.039
One of that's that's long.
01:43:41.359 --> 01:43:57.039
One of my favorite I I I exchange TikToks with uh Mickey's youngest son pretty regularly, and one of my favorite things to do is to send him a very long TikTok that's ridiculous all the way through, like it's worth sending just to see how much of it he makes it through.
01:43:57.119 --> 01:44:01.039
And he's he's honestly pretty good about it, but he's barely a youth anymore either.
01:44:01.279 --> 01:44:08.560
Yeah, I'm trying to rage against the dying of my attention span here, and I just I I've never downloaded TikTok.
01:44:08.720 --> 01:44:20.560
I've known people that have like shown me TikToks and shown me the interface for TikTok, which I'm like, no, uh, but but I I mostly I say no because I know what this is, it's a Christian trap.
01:44:20.880 --> 01:44:26.640
You're gonna trap me, you're gonna get me on my phone, and you're gonna get me scrolling, and I'm not gonna be able to stop.
01:44:26.720 --> 01:44:29.439
And I'm just I actually want longer videos.
01:44:29.600 --> 01:44:36.560
I need a 20, like a five-hour video, exhaustive breakdown on something that someone made.
01:44:36.800 --> 01:44:39.600
It can be a bunch of videos mashed together, but longer.
01:44:39.920 --> 01:44:49.039
I can't do yeah, I I I'm just wondering what happened to the good old 1950s three, three, three and a half minutes.
01:44:49.279 --> 01:44:59.760
Like you know, they they they were like songs are three and a half minutes because that's that's where we sit, and then you know, the YouTube videos of three and a half minutes were like right there.
01:44:59.840 --> 01:45:03.119
It's like all right, perfect to share in a group, yeah.
01:45:03.199 --> 01:45:06.720
Epic Rap Battles, yes, yes, yeah, for sure.
01:45:06.880 --> 01:45:16.880
And then it's like uh you know, then I saw us TikToks of like 10 second versions of that, and I'm like, you're missing all of it.
01:45:17.039 --> 01:45:43.439
Like, you yes, that one line is a banger, but you're missing the whole context of how we got there, and you know, and I I literally sent Logan a 10-minute TikTok video the other day that was just like this group of boys who made like really good production value, 10-minute movie of them just getting into increasingly ridiculous, surreal situations, and it's honestly a masterpiece.
01:45:43.520 --> 01:45:49.039
Like, there's some good work being done that's not getting seen by people, and it makes me very sad.
01:45:50.560 --> 01:46:06.399
Yeah, it it the the nature, and I think this like you can put this in any episode of ours that we've done, but it's like the nature of of like humans to sort of like take like oh, what do you like?
01:46:06.640 --> 01:46:08.159
Images, all right, cool.
01:46:08.319 --> 01:46:15.279
Well, we're gonna make moving images, you know, and that's gonna be like what everybody's now nobody can look at a still image.
01:46:15.520 --> 01:46:15.920
Thanks.
01:46:16.079 --> 01:46:18.079
Like, nobody's gonna ever enjoy that again.
01:46:18.239 --> 01:46:19.520
And like now, it's like, what do you like?
01:46:19.680 --> 01:46:20.079
Videos?
01:46:20.159 --> 01:46:20.479
Cool.
01:46:20.560 --> 01:46:25.840
Here's like a four and a half second video of just the thing, just the focal point.
01:46:26.399 --> 01:46:30.079
It's like I have to watch 20 minutes of ads just to get to your four-second video.
01:46:30.399 --> 01:46:30.880
No, thank you.
01:46:30.960 --> 01:46:32.640
I don't want ads, yeah.
01:46:32.720 --> 01:46:34.560
YouTube shorts piss me off.
01:46:34.880 --> 01:46:39.680
But I do uh I did earn credit, I guess, uh the other day.
01:46:39.840 --> 01:46:51.760
Uh something came up, and it's like, oh, the measurements like six or seven, and uh the kid like six, seven, and I was like, hey, and they're like, oh he's cool.
01:46:52.239 --> 01:46:53.279
I don't know.
01:46:53.439 --> 01:46:55.439
I just I've heard it before.
01:46:55.600 --> 01:47:00.960
Um Mickey, when you're doing your research on indigo, did you uncover the ties to South Carolina?
01:47:01.760 --> 01:47:03.119
Uh no, I did not.
01:47:03.279 --> 01:47:04.079
I stopped.
01:47:04.239 --> 01:47:08.800
Uh how many how many times did you have to type minus girls into the stuff?
01:47:09.520 --> 01:47:19.439
Oh, speaking of which, yeah, uh bringing back the dictionary, uh, the indigo girls just flipped through the book, pointed at a word, and said, Oh, that sounds neat.
01:47:19.680 --> 01:47:21.279
Okay, that's how they got their name.
01:47:21.520 --> 01:47:22.720
I like that a lot.
01:47:22.960 --> 01:47:25.520
That's a great, that's a great genesis for a name.
01:47:25.680 --> 01:47:26.640
Don't think about it too much.
01:47:27.039 --> 01:47:27.600
Genesis.
01:47:27.760 --> 01:47:29.199
I see what you did there.
01:47:29.359 --> 01:47:30.000
Yeah.
01:47:30.399 --> 01:47:31.600
Oh, sorry.
01:47:31.840 --> 01:47:33.039
I'm not uh I'm not familiar.
01:47:33.199 --> 01:47:35.039
Is that a is that like an album of theirs?
01:47:35.279 --> 01:47:37.279
No, it's just another band, right?
01:47:37.439 --> 01:47:38.399
That's a band, right?
01:47:38.720 --> 01:47:40.000
No, that's Phil Collins's band.
01:47:41.439 --> 01:47:47.520
Didn't know if he was I'm surprised someone hasn't came up with a band called Phil Collins's band.
01:47:48.800 --> 01:47:54.079
Just because we're in that uh you know, pop will eat itself uh era of Capitol.
01:47:54.479 --> 01:47:57.680
Yeah, the band, the show, the movie, or whatever.
01:47:57.920 --> 01:47:58.560
I gotta see that.
01:47:58.640 --> 01:47:59.439
I heard that was so good.
01:47:59.760 --> 01:48:01.840
Well, like the Eagles of Death Metal.
01:48:02.159 --> 01:48:02.720
Yeah, yeah.
01:48:02.800 --> 01:48:04.880
Yes, fantastic name.
01:48:04.960 --> 01:48:06.479
Uh, you're you're Spotify Jackie?
01:48:06.800 --> 01:48:08.800
Thinks I love Phil Collins for some reason.
01:48:08.880 --> 01:48:11.439
Every week on my release radar, there's a Phil Collins song.
01:48:11.600 --> 01:48:17.279
I couldn't the only time I listen to Phil Collins is when it's on my release radar, so I don't know why it thinks I love him.
01:48:17.520 --> 01:48:19.920
Or when I'm when I'm watching the movie Tarzan.
01:48:22.079 --> 01:48:24.960
I mean, you know, it was mic to drums or something else.
01:48:25.279 --> 01:48:26.720
What about South Carolina?
01:48:26.960 --> 01:48:44.800
So um back in in the 18th century, um plantations in South Carolina were one of the biggest providers of indigo dye in the world, like back when the the uh British uh royalty folks were into using it.
01:48:45.039 --> 01:48:53.039
Yeah, um there's a whole book written about it called Red, White, and Black Make Blue about like the whole that whole time period.
01:48:53.199 --> 01:49:15.760
Um, and it sounds really interesting because she's got it uh organized thematically rather than chronologically, which really works well for my brain, like like being uh pushed together with like like uh the first chapter is analyzing a London's dyer shop to like exploring the connections between conquest and trade that sh that like basically shaped British industrialization.
01:49:15.920 --> 01:49:17.199
So I don't know, it sounds neat.
01:49:17.359 --> 01:49:19.039
South Carolina's involved.
01:49:19.279 --> 01:49:20.239
That's that's it.
01:49:20.399 --> 01:49:21.600
I didn't do a lot of research.
01:49:21.680 --> 01:49:23.920
I just recently found out about it like five minutes ago.
01:49:24.159 --> 01:49:28.079
Also, what I'm learning is like just about everything is like, is it a product?
01:49:28.239 --> 01:49:29.439
Is it in front of you?
01:49:29.920 --> 01:49:32.000
I got bad news for how it was made.
01:49:32.880 --> 01:49:36.880
I got some real bad news, like yeah, this wire, this microphone, this computer.
01:49:37.039 --> 01:49:43.039
Yeah, being the curious person that I am and digging in.
01:49:43.119 --> 01:49:59.199
Uh like at one point, I was just completely oblivious and ignorant, and just going about doing my thing and in excited about uh technology and whatnot, and then having my job shipped over to uh the far east.
01:49:59.359 --> 01:50:05.680
Uh Started questioning things and and where who's making this and what are the conditions of the people making it.
01:50:05.760 --> 01:50:08.720
It's like, okay, I'm not getting paid that much.
01:50:08.880 --> 01:50:15.039
I'm getting paid a good salary, but in the grand scheme of things, it's fairly cheap for to for my labor.
01:50:15.439 --> 01:50:19.199
So for them to ship it overseas, what are they paying those people?
01:50:19.359 --> 01:50:21.520
And those people are getting paid a lot less.
01:50:21.680 --> 01:50:25.359
And and it's like, okay, so where is the money going?
01:50:25.600 --> 01:50:34.720
It's not going back into anything else, other than a few people owning profits, and then it slowly pushes me.
01:50:34.800 --> 01:50:41.520
It's like there's a huge bubble between me and wanting to participate in any kind of market situation.
01:50:41.600 --> 01:50:51.600
And I it's like sometimes I'll just for I will forgo buying something that I want simply because I don't want to do the research because it makes me sad.
01:50:51.680 --> 01:50:53.359
Sometimes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:50:53.760 --> 01:51:02.560
It's like, oh then it's like you try to talk about it to someone, and then they're like, Well, no, you don't understand it's actually fair because they made the abattoir that all those pigs are walking into.
01:51:02.720 --> 01:51:06.159
Like, yeah, what you're on that guy's side?
01:51:06.319 --> 01:51:07.680
That's crazy.
01:51:08.239 --> 01:51:10.319
Oh, Mickey, I have uh oh, go ahead.
01:51:10.479 --> 01:51:11.039
Yeah, go ahead.
01:51:11.359 --> 01:51:26.640
I have a question that I when I was when we were talking, I continually do a research, and one of the things I came across is um that indigo and some of its derivatives are known to be ambipolar organic semiconductors.
01:51:26.960 --> 01:51:27.680
Period.
01:51:28.239 --> 01:51:29.199
That's a fact.
01:51:29.600 --> 01:51:35.840
And then it says they're semiconductors when deposited as a thin film by vacuum evaporation.
01:51:35.920 --> 01:51:37.600
And what does that all mean?
01:51:38.000 --> 01:51:38.399
All right.
01:51:39.119 --> 01:51:40.479
Say the phrase again.
01:51:41.760 --> 01:51:44.319
Ambipolar organic semiconductors.
01:51:45.920 --> 01:51:49.039
Organic semiconductor.
01:51:49.760 --> 01:51:52.960
I'm guessing that means they can go either way, the the ambipolar.
01:51:53.279 --> 01:51:54.800
Yeah, it's like using either hand.
01:51:55.199 --> 01:52:00.079
They they semiconduct in like a non, I guess, in in any direction.
01:52:00.319 --> 01:52:03.359
There's no specific direction related to like the structure.
01:52:03.760 --> 01:52:07.520
Uh yeah, so electric flow is is all right.
01:52:07.760 --> 01:52:22.640
So in copper, uh, there is uh the outer electron the outer shell where the electrons live is called the valid shell.
01:52:22.960 --> 01:52:28.880
And in the outer shell, it wants to basically reach stasis.
01:52:29.119 --> 01:52:35.199
And uh like each each level has a different number that it wants.
01:52:35.279 --> 01:52:41.199
So, like in in hydrogen, it has uh one electron, and the outer shell wants two.
01:52:41.520 --> 01:52:52.239
Helium is a noble gas, it is stable because it wants two electrons, it's got two electrons, and it's just single uh helium atoms bouncing around.
01:52:52.479 --> 01:53:03.119
Hydrogen, and so oxygen has an outer shell that is almost full, so it wants to bring in electron, or it wants to bring an electron in.
01:53:04.000 --> 01:53:12.960
And uh hydrogen is right in the middle because it wants one, it got two, or it wants two, it has one, so it shares those electrons.
01:53:13.039 --> 01:53:20.640
So you get a bonding, so you get H2O, two hydrogen, one oxygen, because the oxygen needs two electrons.
01:53:21.039 --> 01:53:24.960
Carbon right down the middle, it wants eight, got four.
01:53:25.279 --> 01:53:30.880
So it lines up, has one above, one below, and one on either side, and they share.
01:53:30.960 --> 01:53:43.279
So they're pretending everyone's got eight, and they form a nice tight superbond, and that's where you get charcoal and you get carbon and you get uh diamonds and stuff.
01:53:43.359 --> 01:53:48.479
The the the crystalline structure of all of that also has to do with reactivity, right?
01:53:48.640 --> 01:53:51.520
Like if it's if it's stable, it won't react as much.
01:53:51.840 --> 01:53:52.399
Exactly.
01:53:52.640 --> 01:54:17.520
So uh when you have a uh so organic material is carbon, and carb in this situation, uh the carbon will allow the flow of positive charge or negative charge, depending on which way it's being uh applied, where where you know depending on what's being what charge is being applied to it, it'll allow it to flow.
01:54:17.680 --> 01:54:40.079
A semiconductor usually allows flow in one direction because they they take silicone, which is uh doesn't allow electron flow, and they embed it with uh materials that kind of given enough electric charge, those that material will line up and then allow the uh path for electrons to flow or either in or out.
01:54:40.479 --> 01:55:12.079
Um and in order to create a semiconductor, we used like 10 uh it was like a hundred thousand volts to create a plasma gun and then shoot the plasma gun across the room to embed either phosphorus or arsenic or other materials into silicon in order to line this up, with it being a naturally occurring uh organic material, it's just it's kind of like electricity happens in a lot of different ways.
01:55:12.239 --> 01:55:24.159
Like if you take a uh a glass rod and rub it on silk, it builds up an electric charge because blue on your head, blue it on your head, it's just the movement of electrons and storing up.
01:55:24.399 --> 01:55:34.399
So, in certain car in certain organic materials, you're just gonna get an alignment of electrons, and then as soon as you give it a path, the electrons are gonna start to move.
01:55:34.960 --> 01:55:35.199
Okay.
01:55:35.600 --> 01:55:54.000
Um I could give a big long lecture later on what's the study and dive into it, but it's it almost sounds like though that you could like you could put this as like a very thin layer, yes, it between something, and it would like conduct like maybe like a phone screen or something.
01:55:54.239 --> 01:55:56.560
Yeah, like some kind of touch screen that yeah.
01:55:56.960 --> 01:56:06.640
And basically you take one, uh like you you process one material and it's got extra electrons, and then you process another material and it's stripped of electrons.
01:56:06.800 --> 01:56:15.039
So then you put one on top of the other, and the electrons are gonna go want to basically equilibrium.
01:56:15.279 --> 01:56:27.039
So it's gonna go from where, hey, we have a bunch of electrons sitting here in this layer of organic material, dropping it down to this other layer of organic material, which is devoid of electrons.
01:56:27.199 --> 01:56:39.199
So then you start getting that electron flow, and then you create you basically control the gap in between on you know, in one form or another, and that's how you allow stuff to flow.
01:56:39.600 --> 01:56:41.760
Okay, and that's how your phone works.
01:56:42.000 --> 01:56:44.319
So all right.
01:56:44.399 --> 01:56:48.640
I have like a question and a little not really a quiz, but kind of like a fun thing.
01:56:48.880 --> 01:56:49.199
Uh huh.
01:56:49.439 --> 01:56:53.600
What year do you think indigo was added to the Crayola crayon box?
01:56:56.479 --> 01:56:58.239
Um, let me see.
01:56:58.720 --> 01:57:04.960
Before it was eight, so that would be six colors and black and white crayon.
01:57:06.479 --> 01:57:08.880
So 1978.
01:57:09.840 --> 01:57:10.319
Good guess.
01:57:10.560 --> 01:57:10.880
I don't know.
01:57:10.960 --> 01:57:12.560
It could go either way.
01:57:12.880 --> 01:57:17.600
Uh, because I know at one point they started getting really weird and adding a bunch of stuff.
01:57:17.760 --> 01:57:21.199
Uh I'm a 64 color box man myself, yeah.
01:57:21.439 --> 01:57:23.439
Yeah, so I don't know.
01:57:23.520 --> 01:57:25.279
I'd say 98.
01:57:25.760 --> 01:57:28.319
Oh, you are off by one year, 1999.
01:57:28.640 --> 01:57:29.520
Wow, that's late.
01:57:29.760 --> 01:57:36.800
Okay, now I'm gonna tell you like eight box, sixteen box, twenty-four, all, all, all, and you tell me if indigo is in it, yes or no.
01:57:37.760 --> 01:57:39.359
Eight crayon box, yes or no?
01:57:39.600 --> 01:57:39.920
No way.
01:57:40.159 --> 01:57:40.800
I'd say no.
01:57:40.960 --> 01:57:41.279
Okay.
01:57:41.680 --> 01:57:43.039
16 box.
01:57:44.880 --> 01:57:46.720
I think it's still gonna leave it out.
01:57:47.119 --> 01:57:48.720
Okay, Christian's a no.
01:57:51.439 --> 01:57:51.760
No.
01:57:52.239 --> 01:57:53.439
You're right, it is a no.
01:57:53.600 --> 01:57:54.800
24 box.
01:57:55.119 --> 01:57:57.439
I feel like this is where you start to get your primo.
01:57:58.079 --> 01:57:59.199
I'm gonna say yes.
01:58:00.479 --> 01:58:01.840
Did you say no, Mickey?
01:58:02.079 --> 01:58:03.439
I'm gonna say no on that one.
01:58:03.680 --> 01:58:04.880
Yes, 24.
01:58:05.199 --> 01:58:05.520
Oh.
01:58:05.840 --> 01:58:06.800
32.
01:58:10.000 --> 01:58:11.359
Not necessarily, not necessarily.
01:58:11.760 --> 01:58:12.560
I'm gonna say they forgot.
01:58:13.039 --> 01:58:14.239
This is fucking up my brain.
01:58:14.479 --> 01:58:15.279
Not necessarily.
01:58:15.439 --> 01:58:16.880
32, yes or no?
01:58:17.199 --> 01:58:17.520
No.
01:58:17.840 --> 01:58:19.520
I'm saying on your trickery.
01:58:19.840 --> 01:58:21.039
Yes, 32, yes.
01:58:21.840 --> 01:58:22.479
Come on.
01:58:22.800 --> 01:58:24.000
48, yes or no.
01:58:24.239 --> 01:58:25.439
Oh, 48, fuck.
01:58:25.680 --> 01:58:27.199
I'm gonna stay with no.
01:58:27.600 --> 01:58:31.600
I'm gonna say what happened to indigo and they put it back in.
01:58:32.399 --> 01:58:34.399
Uh 48 is a yes.
01:58:35.920 --> 01:58:37.760
64, yes or no.
01:58:40.239 --> 01:58:44.560
64 is sponsored by Mary Kay, so I'm thinking that instead of indigo, it was some other thing.
01:58:44.800 --> 01:58:46.319
I'm holding my ground with a no.
01:58:46.479 --> 01:58:47.119
It is a no.
01:58:47.279 --> 01:58:48.560
64 is a no.
01:58:48.880 --> 01:58:49.359
Wild.
01:58:50.000 --> 01:58:51.439
Why would you think it out of the 64?
01:58:51.840 --> 01:58:52.479
Yeah, that's yeah.
01:58:52.720 --> 01:58:57.680
I get I bet you that they were having the argument version of this episode of the podcast.
01:58:57.760 --> 01:58:58.800
Yeah, is what was happening.
01:58:59.279 --> 01:59:01.359
It's like 24 to 48, yes.
01:59:01.520 --> 01:59:04.399
64, no, 96 and 120, yes.
01:59:04.640 --> 01:59:08.560
Well, at 96, you gotta, you're like, what else do we have?
01:59:08.880 --> 01:59:11.520
I've got pink and hot pink, you know.
01:59:12.479 --> 01:59:16.079
I mean, if we're gonna put four, it's green, and now we have to include indigo.
01:59:16.960 --> 01:59:18.000
Vanta black.
01:59:18.159 --> 01:59:20.000
Did a Vanta Black crayon.
01:59:20.159 --> 01:59:24.560
There's a color called Bluetiful, and like I don't know if I approve of that.
01:59:24.800 --> 01:59:30.479
Well, that was when they started that was the internet era of Crayola where they were 2017, yeah.
01:59:30.800 --> 01:59:33.039
Yeah, allowing people to send names.
01:59:33.359 --> 01:59:37.600
I really loved opening that the those bigger boxes of crayons and going like red, orange.
01:59:37.760 --> 01:59:46.239
Okay, I see what they're doing here, and then you would see orange red, and you'd be like, Oh whoa, there's way more colors than I thought.
01:59:46.960 --> 01:59:58.399
The way my brain operates, I hated crayons because I knew I loved a brand new box of crayons, but I knew that as soon as it touched paper, something bad was gonna happen.
01:59:58.640 --> 02:00:18.479
Either, either the the uh sweaty Bobby that was sitting next to me would grab it and like you know when they grab it with their fist and they colour instead of holding it like any kind of instrument, yeah, and they would use it all up, and you'd have to peel, and it was just down to nubs everywhere.
02:00:18.640 --> 02:00:28.000
Or they did not think about the extended use, those crayons are so long for how much they're gonna actually be able to be used.
02:00:28.159 --> 02:00:28.640
Oh, yeah.
02:00:29.840 --> 02:00:37.039
It's not like you could you couldn't you could sharpen them, but I think you needed like a special sharpener because they're made of fucking wax.
02:00:37.199 --> 02:00:38.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:00:38.239 --> 02:00:43.279
Yeah, ruin a regular pencil sharpener, no one else would be able to use it to sharpen pencils or crayons.
02:00:43.359 --> 02:00:46.159
So back in our day, they did have them.
02:00:46.239 --> 02:00:50.720
They we did like there were the boxes of 96 came with the sharpener at the bottom.
02:00:50.880 --> 02:00:56.239
Uh, one of y'all like threw it up in the air once and hit another kid, and then they took those out of the boxes or something.
02:00:56.560 --> 02:00:57.279
Yeah, probably.
02:00:57.439 --> 02:01:00.640
As always happens in 1994.
02:01:00.720 --> 02:01:07.600
Crayola made magic scent crayons, and that sounds like a nightmare to me because scented markers, you got the caps.
02:01:08.319 --> 02:01:10.960
Crayons, you just got a box of smells that you open up.
02:01:11.119 --> 02:01:11.840
That's awful.
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You know what's really, really funny about that is that that is just candles.
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That's all that is.
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You're just drawing with candles at that point.
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That's I like to think that there's the there's like the rooms, and it's the cradle of crayons in one room, and then the the candles in the other, and there's a horrible mix-up.
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And they're like, whatever, we're just gonna roll with it.
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The color, the color apricot smells like lumber instead of smelling like the fruit it's named after.
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What if they all smell like lumber?
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That's the hack.
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They actually just all smell like wax from a factory.
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White smells like baby powder, and black smells like either licorice or leather jacket.
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This sounds like a nightmare box of crayons.
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They just rubbed whatever they had on them against the baby.
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Violet smells like grape instead of violets.
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Like, what is wrong with people?
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Lilac smells like wait, no, wisteria smells like lilac.
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This is madness, and I don't like it.
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It is really bothering me.
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This is how they discovered autism with the magic smell crayons.
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No, there's another set called the color and smell crayons where brick red smells like earthworms.
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Orange smells like grandma's perfume.
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Uh what?
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This is a nightmare.
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Black.
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You know, all your favorite kid scents.
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Jungle green smells like koala tree.
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What the fuck is a koala tree?
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Let's go.
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Also, just put eucalyptus in it, like koala tree.
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Oh sorry, kids aren't ready to learn about eucalyptus.
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The dandelion smells like watch the dog.
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Who wants to smell watch the dog?
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It's like soap with like just the merest hint of smelly animal.
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Just the just the after notes.
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This is blowing my mind.
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No, I didn't know it was this bad over in the scented crayons.
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I'm afraid like I'm still scrolling.
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I'm afraid there's gonna be more scented crayons.
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Did they discontinue these?
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Because they by by the justice of God almighty, they they should have.
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It looks like yes.
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Okay.
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Yo, here's another one.
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Silly scents crayons.
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Okay, at least this is silly though.
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They did warn you.
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Well, what's so silly about gray smelling like mother's tomb?
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I'm sorry.
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That's a little sillier than I was ready for.
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Yeah, that's MA Spider-Man 400.
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What's so silly about yellow green smelling like alien armpit?
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Okay, that at least.
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That's that one.
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I'm like, okay, now we're back on like Nickelodeon's gack level of stuff.
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Mother's tomb is a bit much.
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I cannot.
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It mother's tomb as is it for real?
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Okay, that's the end of the crayon list.
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I'm closing that tab forever.
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I I will point out that there is a uh a painter in the United States named Steve Bushimi, not the actor, who has uh paintings that are working from deep indigo grounds.
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He removes pigment rather than building it up, allowing figures to slowly emerge through airbrushed acrylic and minimal brush work.
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So subtractive painting.
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I love that.
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Uh so we make that connection.
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We've been through Rome.
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Uh, we added Gandhi to our list, uh, more Stevery, uh, added some Afghans.
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Uh we've been through a whole lot of Romans, we added some Greek stuff, but uh yeah, indigo uh has had several proponents over the years, and um, you know, it's had a lot of people pushing its way up, and now they're it is fighting a deluge of anti-Indigo folk.
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My suggestion would be to increase and add more to the rainbow uh instead of trying to have a VIP section for colors.
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Because, you know, if you if you discriminate against colors, it's just going to end up bad uh for everybody.
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Agree.
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Well, it's it's wild because there were parts of this where what you what it sounded like you were describing was like three turns of the game civilization.
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Uh-huh.
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And it was like, oh, this was like people's like basically indentured servitude reality for like hundreds of years.
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And you're like, I'm sorry, it was over what?
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The little like the little like die pot, the little ink pot that on the map, on the hex map.
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That's what it was.
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That's what I was doing in the video game civilization.
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Like, oh no.
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I've been doing this.
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Indigo, indigo is also how Blackbeard kept his beard black.
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Oh, fellas.
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Also from South Carolina.
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Oh wow.
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Man.
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All right.
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So I I think we I think we covered the question.
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I think we nailed it.
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It wasn't just a who, it was whom's.
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It was whom's and it was it was also a bit of the old uh oh, we have a new word for this thing.
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Yeah, we Shakespeare came along, and we've we now we know how to describe it.
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Also, one one more fun fact indigo represents your third eye chakra in your brain.
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So that's interesting to me, too.
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I can see that.
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It is the color of heaven.
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They got their own uh lanterns, colored colored lanterns in the DC universe.
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So like I said, you know, they have they keep on, they have staying power.
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Indigo has staying power.
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I'm on team indigo.
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All right.
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If you have a question, uh contact Jackie.
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Uh you can email her, Jackie at valleyofo.com.
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That's me.
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It's Jackie with an I, no E.
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J A C K I at symbolvalleyofo.com.
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Yes.
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And you can while you're there, you can sign up to get a monthly subscription of Lollipops sent straight to your front door with a little bit of art added in.
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Uh if you have uh curiosities, questions, if you want to sit in and talk with us about something you're passionate about, let us know.
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We'll uh we'll consider it.
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You know, we're not just gonna let any idiot in.
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Um, I mean, you know, the bar is pretty low, but you know, we're not gonna let every idiot in.
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Yeah, if that's really important.
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We're selective about the idiots we invite in.
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Yeah, that's and we will be back next week.
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Uh, we're gonna answer another question.
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Do you want to know what it is?
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It's a long one.
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Oh, yeah, absolutely.
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How much do you miss looking through the TV guide and reading it cover to cover and doing the puzzles and highlighting things?
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Is there anything comparable to that today?
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This is gonna be a talking.
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I fucking love the TV guide.
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I'm so excited.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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Well, thank you for joining us on this journey, and we will be back with another journey next week.
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Okay, bye.
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No, it was nothing.
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The poet laureate of medicine Oliver Sachs once wrote, and bear with me, this is a bit of a long quote.
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So one sunny Saturday in 1964, I developed a pharmacological launch pad consisting of a base of amphetamine for general arousal, LSD for hallucinogenic intensity, and a touch of cannabis for a little for a little added delirium.
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About 20 minutes after taking this, I faced a white wall and exclaimed, I want to see indigo now.
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Now and then, as if thrown by a giant paintbrush, there appeared a huge, trembling, pear-shaped blob of the purest indigo.
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Luminous, numinous, it filled me with rapture.
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It was the color of heaven.
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Yeah, that's the short version of the quote.
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I was like, I was waiting for the rest of it.
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Uh yeah, I understand.
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It's amazing that there's a rest of it.
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The rest of it's great, too.
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Yeah.
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Uh it goes on and on.
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And uh basically, in order to get the complete quote, I went ahead and bought the book.
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It should be delivered tomorrow so Jackie can read it and tell me about it.
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I will tell you this, it will be on hold until I am done with Dungeon Crawler Carl series.
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So just FYI.
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But I'm busting through it real fast, it'll only be a couple weeks.
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It's so funny.
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I said I was going to start that and then I immediately threw on uh three body problem.
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I've heard such good things about that.
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It's I was listening to the audiobook, it's real good.
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Uh it's a sci-fi ass sci-fi though.
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Get ready for people to talk about stuff.
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It's not a space opera where they're like, the Moldavians are over there.
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It's like you there's a while where I'm like, I have no idea what are there aliens even in this?
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I I'm reading Dungeon Crawler Carl with my eyeballs, but I hear that the uh audiobook is just incredible, like so incredible.
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They hired the guy who's narrating the book to play one of the characters in the television show that they're um one of the female characters that they're um when they make it into a show with Seth McFarlane.
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Welcome to Everything on Nothing, where everything is connected and nothing really matters.
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I am your guide, Mickey.
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And if you ask me a question, I will answer it thoroughly.
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Assisting me in this endeavor is my producer and life mate, uh, returning from her adventures in music.
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It is Jackie.
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Hello.
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And the graphical genius who is the two parts blue to my one part red, it is Christian.
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Holler at your boy.
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Uh we take questions and dig in very deep to make sure we answer it as correctly and completely as possible.
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And today's question on the map is who is who was Indigo's public relations agent?
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Yes.
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Before we dig in, uh many, many thanks to Struber Durrell or Strawberry Darrell uh for giving us his track Yet Surf to be used as our theme and reminding me that music is mathematical because it is important to remember life is math.
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Math shows us the vibrations and vibes are what they are serving up at Dear Sandy in Portland, Oregon.
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Nessa and Misha are wonderful killer bartenders, great service, incredible cocktails, in love with this team and their constant caring nature.
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Thanks for being the bar we all needed.
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Uh so if you are in the Portland area and you have the opportunity, please visit Dear Sandy.
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Uh, I hopefully, unless you're a complete asshole, but if you're listening to this uh podcast, you're probably like if you've lasted this long into the intro of this episode, you're probably gonna enjoy Dear Sandy.
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Yeah.
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Uh and a big, big, huge thank you to the boss man Zach Bennett for editing and his guidance.
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Uh, we'll eventually set up a subscription uh so that we can make money for those that want to support the show and probably eventually get around to doing merch so that we can make money.
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Um, and also giving us some guidance on getting into Hollywood contracts so we can turn this into a primetime television show one day, hopefully.
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Uh, in the meantime, you can show your support by listening to Zach Bennett's horror comedy podcast, Reasonably Afraid, with his partner, the King of King Rey Reyes.
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I will also shout out that if you need any editing uh work done or merch made, to also reach out to Zach Bennett because he does that too, and he does it well.
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Absolutely.
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Uh Jackie, how do they sign up for that?
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Um, they can just go to valleyofo.com and click on lollipops.
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Okay.
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And right now it's a Patreon, but we're looking for other solutions.
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Yes, it is a Patreon right now, but that is going to be short-lived because I don't get very much out of it aside from giving them a little bit of money every month.
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So I'm just looking for alternate solutions that don't tax my brain to keep track of who is subscribed and who is not.
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Uh and uh we've highlighted various comedians well, just as a conversation piece to get started.
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Um throughout uh throughout the late uh 20 teens and uh well up until the pandemic, uh, we were both very fortunate and to have a little bit of extra money.
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And then when we went empty nester, we had a little bit of extra cash.
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And you Jackie was in a position to actually use a marketing uh budget to hire comedians.
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Uh, we love comedians because comedians are uh truth tellers basically, and just usually uh even in their most depressing times, they're pretty fun to hang out with.
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So uh we like to hang out with comedians, and we've had the opportunity of having comedians sitting in our living room testing out brand new jokes, uh, just because we were able to listen and give them good feedback, which was awesome.
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Uh, and we've also got to develop and um create our own comedy shows, including openers, uh um you know, uh featured players, and then uh uh you know, give time to a headliner and stuff.
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Uh one of the guys that uh Jackie hired to do oh, yeah, one of Jackie's dreams was to create a um award show, and she was able to create award, uh, an award show for her company, and then brought in a writer named Simon Nash to create uh some of the zingers and and the presenter bits, so they did not presenter bits and stuff like that.
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Uh and and uh as a reminder, Dan Harman won an Emmy.
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Uh before he won an Emmy for uh the that episode of Rick and Morty, he won an Emmy for writing a award show.
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Yes.
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Um along with his pal Rob Schraub and Ben Schwartz.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I always forget he's involved.
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Uh Simon recently popped up.
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It's great to see that he's back on the scene.
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And if you get the opportunity to witness Simon Nash uh doing comedy, it is pure unadulterated genius.
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Wait a minute, what Simon's doing jokes again?
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Yeah, I saw a post uh where he was with uh Danielle, who is involved in she's one of the people with the case.
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I saw that too, and I was like, did he get miss tagged?
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Like I was like, it's been years.
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Yeah, that's because I know there's another Simon dude on the scene in Orlando right now because I keep because Logan keeps telling me about him.
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I'm like, Simon Nash?
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And he's like, No, some other dude.
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I'm like, God damn it's no.
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I clicked and it went to the Simon Nash that we know, and I was like, I hope this is true.
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I hope it's not, if it's not, if you see Simon Nash, tell him to get back on stage because uh truly one of the greats.
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Well, he's got the best brain, yeah.
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Yeah, um, and it like he he basically takes whatever cube that he's dealing with and pulls it out and pulls it apart and inspects every little aspect, every angle, and then creates a comedy bit out of it.
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That I mean, it's not just hey, it makes you think, but the wordplay that he uses elicits a un solicited laugh out of you, like it just pulls laughs out of you, and then afterwards you're like, Wait, wait a second, dude.
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He actually said that thing, and oh my god, and it takes you down a rabbit hole of thought that uh makes it funnier in the long run, and you can hear the same bit over and over, and it's still funny uh you know, after after hearing it 30 or 40 times, which is a great, great sign.
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Uh so how you been, Christian?
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Great.
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Uh the truck broke down because it's 20 years old.
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Uh but I have the part for it in it.
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But uh it so I I dropped off some friends at the airport uh last week, the middle of the week, Thursday, I think.
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And uh and so I drove, I go drove them to the airport and a couple times it started acting weird.
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Uh but when you have a 20-year-old truck, you're like, well, I'll deal with the weird when it gets worse, and I get back.
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And then we got to the airport and it just fucking died.
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Uh and I had to turn it back on like uh like on and off like 19 times.
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Finally, it like got going.
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I didn't even say bye.
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I was just like, I gotta go.
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Like I'm gonna like just see if this makes it, you know.
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And it made it all the way to I had like I could could have gone to my house and just grabbed my brother's van, but I drove all the way to work, so it's at work now, uh, which is more complicated than the other thing.
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But I I had a choice.
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I was like, I can either be maybe late to work or I can be very early to work and leave my.
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I was kind of thinking that maybe it would be like a oh, it'll cool down and then I can get out of the thing.
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And of course, I was like on my break, I was like, nope, not turning on.
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So that's where we're at.
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Luckily, we have this other vehicle, uh, and as payment, it doesn't have AC.
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So oh, oh god.
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That's the monkey's paw of that.
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Uh and I don't know if you do, yeah, for listeners, the earth is getting hotter for some reason.
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Nobody can figure out why we've prayed all we can to figure it out.
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But the Bible, the Bible's uh mysteries uh remain occluded to us.
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I mean, it's it's gotta be part of somebody's plan.
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Yeah, that's the thing, is that I don't worry about anything because it's part of a plan.
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Well, wait a minute, let's deconstruct this.
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Who likes hot stuff?
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Um well, I mean, is it food?
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The stuff is wide.
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Stuff is a broad who likes flames.
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Oh no, who likes making people hot?
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Who likes burning people hot?
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That guy.
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But he just answers to the big boss who has the plan.
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Uh he's not gonna tell anyone what the plan is.
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Yeah.
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Uh not gonna get like that that's oh that's where I fall apart with the whole the whole system that has arisen from that side of the world.
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Is a a plan is only so good if the everyone involved in the plan knows what the plan is.
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And then when you have like, yeah, it's cool on television when Danny Ocean has a plan within the plan, within the plan, and and you know, he's got Brad Pitt doing one thing and Matt Damon doing another, and and you know, uh uh you just it's it's all fun and games whenever you reveal it at the last five minutes, but you know, from I guess from an entertainment standpoint, if you said here's the plan, and then then enacted the plan, it would be kind of a boring show.
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But in real life, uh if if you said here's the plan, now everyone go enact the plan, everything comes to fruition the way you planned it to come to fruition, and plans are good when people know what the plan is.
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So, you know.
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Yeah, I'm uh listen, you know, God, I'm in on the heist, but you gotta let me know.
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You gotta let me know, God.
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Yeah, if there's a plan that I don't know about, I don't have a lot of trust in you, man.
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Respectfully, God, I'm out.
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God's a loose cannon.
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God, give me your badge and your gun.
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It's all part of his plan.
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Uh, and do you want to talk about what the lollipops are this month, Jackie?
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Or do you just want to make it a movie?
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Go ahead and sign up and find out.
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We're recording in August.
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So the lollipops this month are uh moon water made with water that I charged underneath the full moon the other night, and that's gonna be raspberry flavored because the July full moon was called a raspberry moon, also called a buck moon, if I remember correctly.
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And my other flavor of lollipop in August is going to be holy water made with actual holy water from the Rhoda Wise House and Grotto in um Canton, Ohio, which was the site of a legitimate stigmata miracle where a lady bled from her hands and from her fucking orifices in her face.
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Uh, and I bought some holy water while I was there, so I'm gonna use it to make some grape-flavored lollipops because you know, communion wine and all that.
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And you've consulted with some uh uh religious consultants on the the aspect of whether it's bad taste to to put holy water in lollipops.
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I've had some pretty big discussions about this with people of various religious beliefs.
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Uh, I've talked to a few Catholic people that I know, and um, and then one of them even went and talked to her priest about it.
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And the consensus is that people get like salt blessed to use in cooking, so it's not any different than that.
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And I'm not like using a whole bottle of holy water, I'm just gonna sprinkle a little little little of it in and then just use filtered water for the rest.
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But they will be holy water lollipops.
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I do imagine like a sort of multi uh ethnic, multinational council, like from uh how to stop whatever that long movie name was, Dr.
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Strange Love.
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Just a bunch of people like arguing, just like this is not appropriate.
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Like the the Council of Nicaea clearly states like the thing that surprised me is when I talked to Catholic people about it, they were surprisingly like blasé and like, oh yeah, no, there's nothing wrong with that.
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I'm like, well, can you just like make sure with someone who knows a lot?
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They're big on eating stuff as part of their right, you know.
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Yeah, they're big on like tran what is it called?
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Transubstantiation, uh-huh.
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Which is that like is the that's like I think like the one of the big like splits.
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I think that's one of the big like Martin Luther was like, I don't know about this.
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I don't know if God can also be a piece of bread.
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I don't know.
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Now it's gonna be a lollipop.
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So see the the the problem, like uh I know the big problem with that Martin Luther had was that it was a bunch of people that weren't consulting anybody and they weren't taking into they were basically just saying, Hey, uh this is a magic blanket, and if you wrap yourself in this magic blanket, you'll go to heaven.
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Skip all the other stuff that gets you in heaven, just wrap yourself in this blanket.
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Or forgiveness.
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Yeah, here's this helmet, here's this rock, here's the and basically like uh P.
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T.
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Barnum type people were just scraping along the ground and saying, Oh, yeah, this is magic.
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Buy this and you get into heaven.
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And it became a wholesale um uh industry of people selling tickets to heaven and Martin tricking God, as I like to call it.
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Tricking God, as I like to call it, where you go, I'm a bad person, but uh I bought the thing.
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Yeah, I I got uh I got I found a workaround in your old little Bible there, God.
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Like, I don't think that's in the spirit of anything, of any faith or religion is like deceit.
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You know, it's like finding a way around the rules.
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Yeah, like Hitler at the very last moment going, uh Jesus, I accept you as my one true savior.
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Uh, I get into heaven now, right?
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Right?
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Like, damn it, guys.
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There's nothing in the rules.
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There's nothing in the rules about genocides.
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We wrote this way way back.
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We wrote it before we knew people could be that bad.
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And so Hitler went to heaven on Airbud rules.
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Here's a hit.
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They changed it right after.
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If you have like like I I when I was in the military, they sent out little tiny pocket Bibles and stuff.
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And what if that's your Bible that you go by?
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And like, is that acceptable for the rule book?
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Like, I don't want this to be an episode at all.
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Yeah, just we bounce hard off the topic.
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I'm just saying I don't even want to touch that, but I like it's literally if that's the set of rule books that I have that I'm operating by, and do I get into heaven?
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Or like, you know, poor Neanderthals are running around, they don't got a rule book, they're just bumping into like they they're murdering, they accidentally kill someone or they steal some food or whatever just to just to feed their family.
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Uh they go to hell.
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Like, is is hell nothing but a bunch of Neanderthals and lawyers?
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Uh they they they go to the well, depending on which candid you look at, but in the inferno, he visits them.
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Uh, in the Twilight City of Dis, uh in hell, it's like a very it's very close to the top of hell.
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It's like for people that were born before, it's like basically like all the righteous Greeks and Romans and Neanderthals.
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They didn't, I don't think they had discovered Neanderthals yet, so I don't think that was in their uh worldview.
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But uh apparently at one point there, and this is out of the bigger Bible, uh, but there's an event called the Harrowing of Hell, and it's where Jesus, when he died on the cross, he actually went to hell and witnessed to the the the pagans and stuff.
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So basically that's a thing where it's like, okay, that's how we get like Socrates into heaven or whatever.
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Now that he's been in the other, if he's been in this like anteroom of hell forever, Jesus comes down, he's like, Here's all right, sorry we didn't tell you this from the jump, but here's how basically this works.
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He's like, Okay, I get it, cool.
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You're my lord and savior.
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Now Socrates goes to heaven.
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Yeah, okay.
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But that's not a I don't think that's a common belief.
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That's like not that's like a one of those book of Enoch things or whatever, where they it's like one of the gospels that wasn't accepted because there's only like five.
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That's one of the problems I have is like there's enough rule books and and and other books out there, but who agree like there's differences and agreement on who which book like it's it's literally hey, uh this is how we're gonna handle immigrants, and whichever is more profitable is the which is the way I'm going to vote, instead of what is the righteous way to vote.
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It's more what is gonna get me better positioning.
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That's that's the rule book I'm choosing.
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It's like a contest of who wrote the best Jesus fan fiction, like the best fan fiction about what happened to their friend when he died.
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And one guy's like, I think he went to hell and like saved all the righteous pagans.
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It's like that's dope, but that's also not gonna work with what kind of we're going with going forward.
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Yeah, that's really what it was.
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I think is that they were trying to stamp out like paganism, and so like the idea that you could be a pagan and still be saved, not anymore, mind.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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New rules, new management, you know, in the house.
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I can see that.
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Like if if I'm a pagan now and you want me to be a Christian, and you're like, Well, your grandfather was crappy and he's and he's burning in hell, and it's like, well, he didn't know.
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Yeah, I've always thought about this the turn of the the turn of the uh messiah era, where it's like you know, a generation back, oh grandpa's just in hell forever?
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Oh shit, let's see.
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Well, you know, grandpa was a decent fella, and he he would have known, he would have known, but you know, they told him to kill, so he killed.
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He didn't go to bad hell, he just went to where the you don't get to sit under the light of God forever.
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It's just shady.
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He went to shady oaks, you know.
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So you're saying that there's good and bad neighborhoods in hell.
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Yeah, like anywhere, you know.
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What's the say that we're not in hell right now?
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Gerrymandered.
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I can't I can't prove or disprove that.
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Well, like Dante said, like there's the multiple circles and layers and stuff.
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Then like there has to, like, there has to be uh I mean I there doesn't have to be, I guess.
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It it just it's a matter of your belief system.
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If you believe that some people are worse than others, then uh you know, then you have to believe in a uh multi tiered hell.
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Uh but then that also equates to.
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To a multi-tiered heaven, so there's got to be like a VIP section.
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So no matter how good you think you are, did you donate a whole bunch of money and do good and feed the hungry and do this and clean feet?
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Yeah, yeah.
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You know, here's the checklist to get in.
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Here's a checklist to get into the super VIP.
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Uh, if not, then you know, you're just wandering around playing harps.
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The uh the the the Dantean vision of hell is very funny because it's like very clearly like it's so of its time where it's like uh you're like, oh well, it's really more about like, okay, who goes to which circle for which sin, like how bad their sit their one big sin was, you know?
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And because some of some stuff I guess is just like, no, you're not going to heaven because you like stole from people your whole life or you were lustful or whatever.
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But the examples that it uses are like timely ancient Italian references.
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So the essentially like the Dante's Inferno is kind of like a fanfiction of like of his like shit list of his like little like what's the burn book from from Mean Girls.
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It's basically the burn book from Mean Girls, and it's like, well, I think that uh Antonino Vespucci and his whore lover are flying around in the wind created by King Minos or whatever in the first circle of lust, or like you know, this Michelangelo.
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I think he's sleeping with other dudes, yeah.
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Yeah, it's like it's like very, very like, and here's you know, Alla Dente Vespuccio friggin the third of Venezia, and he's like upside down in the lava, you know, river or whatever the hell.
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Like it's just like, and it's it's one of those books that you read it, and when you get to those, it's like half a page's footnotes explaining the context of like who this guy in the lake was.
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It's like at the time, like Dante was part of this party, political party, and the everyone in the lakes of fire, all the other political party, and you're like, Oh, Fox News has just existed forever.
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Like, and Antonio, you make a good weed while but the you know the the the spaghetti is a little bit uh little bit.
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Maybe, maybe not third ring, but maybe maybe he'll only two ring.
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Yeah, the third circle of hell is making bad pasta.
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Uh but like it, I mean his vision of hell, like descriptively is why you're reading it.
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It's like a very it's a cool, it's cool.
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Dante Soferno is cool, despite the fact that like the writing in it and the characters in it and the whole swing of it is he's basically being like, Well, the Democrats, you know, like or whatever well, but the Republicans, you know, are actually in the lake of fire.
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So what do you think about that?
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Look at my book.
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Did you read my book where they where you go to hell?
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Or like your your contemporary?
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All right.
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Uh so yeah, uh, let's uh I guess we've covered religion once before already.
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Oh, we did, yeah, yeah.
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We did a deep dive on that one.
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We didn't really go deep on hell though, so hell might be in the future.
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Yeah, we might have to do a deep dive on that whole concept.
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Uh, because I as I as far as I like, I know the the Jewish religion doesn't believe in a hell per se.
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And I don't ever remember like I remember someone telling me one time, oh, it's not even in the Bible.
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And I'm like, okay, apparently, yeah.
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And I started reading it and I couldn't get past the bagats.
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The bagats, there's so many bagats.
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You're not supposed to read it from the beginning, silly.
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That's the Jewish part.
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They didn't believe in the hell yet.
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Yeah, go to the New Testament.
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No, but there's really not a lot of hell in the Bible.
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That's true.
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One of the things that I do enjoy about the Bible is that if you if you read through the bagats, you will see that indeed everything is connected.
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And there are you just have to remember which bagat you're on, which level of bagat you're on, because they circle back and tell all the stories of those most of those people just to say, hey, at some time in history, these fellas did something and they're all kind of tied in and related.
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So uh uh it's a historical book.
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We'll probably hit on some of that, some stuff.
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So, in in in conclusion, if the house, the professor house burns down randomly one day, it's because I was making the holy water lollipops that day, and it was not okay.
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Yeah, that was a detour from the lollipop plug.
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Uh so indigo.
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Uh, I guess we could start with George A.
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Miller.
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Uh, we'll just set it up kind of like a checkoff Miller.
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Um but essentially Miller's law states that uh the human brain can hold the the short-term memory can hold seven items in the short-term memory.
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Uh and uh the Purple Prince uh song, seven, uh all seven, and we'll watch them fall.
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Um Seven Nation Army, Seven Nation Army.
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Uh, and uh so if you believe in white man history, uh Newton was playing around and went, oh, no one has ever thought this thought before, but there has to be some colors in the rainbow, uh, and was playing around with prisms, and he's like, Okay, I see them.
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And everyone at the time was like, Oh, that's because something is flawed in the glass.
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You can't at the time they were like, You can't make perfect glass, and there was someone that was working on making perfect glass prisms, and and uh Newton was like, nah, this guy's got it, and and your concept that the the glass is flawed in making this rainbow is insane.
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Uh, let me show you.
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So he took one prism to split it into a rainbow, took another prism and put it all the light back together and got a white light, and he's like, See, here we go.
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And uh he was like, There's there's five colors, and then he was like, But there's seven notes uh on the scale, so seven's pretty pretty cool, and he was kind of a mystical seven magic this and seven magic that, so he was like, I'm going to go with I'm he shoved in orange and shoved in indigo and said seven colors.
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Boom! And so Newton came up with Roy G.
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Biv.
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Um, and that's the short uh white boy history of of uh who was indigo's PR agent.
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It was it was it was our our our old nemesis or perhaps mentor uh Sir Isaac Newton.
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I love the idea that so they were like, Oh, you can't make perfect glass because it always makes this really consistent color band.
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Like I love that of like the old times where it's like, yeah, man, I don't know, it's impurities in the glass that always make it go red, orange, yellow, green, blue, purple in that exact order every time, no matter how like visibly clear and clean and imperfect or imperfect the the glass is like that's just very funny.
00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:36.240
Um but if we if we take a step back, uh one one of the concepts that I like I believed ever since, but I actually kind of came up with words, someone might have may have said it before, but uh much like the earth, history is not flat.
00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:47.279
Uh history has uh it's not even so much as a pyramid because there's a lot of parallel thought on one side of the world or on the other side of the world.
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:51.359
Um, everything is kind of uh back and forth.
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:59.599
It depends on who's doing the marketing, who's doing the public relations, who's moving what data, uh, who's translating what into what.
00:29:59.920 --> 00:30:09.359
Um, but we go all the way, way back in before people were just wandering around and they're like, I don't have time to think.
00:30:09.519 --> 00:30:11.279
I've gotta hunt, I've gotta get food.
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:16.960
I get food, I eat, I sleep, I gotta get up in the morning to get more food so I can keep living.
00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:19.440
I don't know if I would have survived that time frame.
00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:29.279
I don't know if there was ever uh I guess that's kind of sometimes what I I went through a period, but I knew that period was gonna end if I just got through it.
00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:36.640
But I don't see living an entire existence just getting up to eat and then being done.
00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:51.920
Um, but I guess if you've never been introduced to thought and thinking and questions, you know, TV, like yeah, that was it because that it took you that long to do it, and then you were tired because it was a lot.
00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:55.359
Like it's like, all right, well, back to napping.
00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:56.400
Yeah.
00:30:57.279 --> 00:30:59.920
Uh well, you know what happens after you eat a big meal.
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:00.400
Come on.
00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:01.039
Oh, yeah.
00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:01.839
I go right out.
00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:10.319
Like, I'm at the age where it's like I eat lunch, I I teach morning class, I come home, we eat lunch, and we're watching right now.
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:12.559
We're on uh Legends of Tomorrow.
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:19.279
We're doing another watch through that because it tickles my brain in a sci-fi fun kind of way.
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:23.839
But um uh yeah, like 15 minutes after.
00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:26.240
Like if I if I stay vertical, I'm good.
00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:32.799
But as soon as I lean back and get a little comfort, I go right to sleep and take a little little tiny nap.
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:36.480
And it doesn't help me, it doesn't affect the rest of my day.
00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:48.319
I it takes me a few minutes to get you know get the cobwebs loose and all that stuff, but uh I I could go with the nap or without the nap, and it doesn't impact the rest of my day.
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:58.160
Uh but it's if I kind of like kind of like those baby dolls with weighted eyes, if you lay them down with eyes closed, if you sit them up, their eyes are wide open.
00:31:58.240 --> 00:32:07.440
So it's like I'm a big fan of like if it if your body like goes to like a sleep mode of any kind, you must have needed it in some way.
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:09.680
Like, I'm a big proponent of that.
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:19.759
Because like no animal on the earth, like if all threats being eliminated, if it's just like it's like, yeah, I think I'm just gonna kind of I'm done.
00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:28.480
I've I'm I am now de-energized from patrolling the territory that I'm gonna take a nap now so that I'm rested for the next period of survival.
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:32.240
Like, I don't know, that's just like listening to your body, right?
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:32.880
Mm-hmm.
00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:36.079
I think you're supposed to sleep through digestion.
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:38.400
Isn't that kind of like universal?
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:42.240
I know like it's like uh you know, snakes.
00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:47.279
Snakes will eat like whatever big old thing, and then they're like, cool, I'm gonna nap for like four days.
00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:51.680
They're kind of extreme or extreme nappers.
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:56.240
Well, I mean, snakes are definitely extreme, like in and everything, I would think.
00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:59.039
Yeah, they're very dramatic animals, in my opinion.
00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:02.960
For the listeners out there, I don't think people are snakes.
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:06.240
Except for your ex Christina.
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:33.680
No, I and then uh we created civilization to separate ourselves a little bit from the animal world, and along with civilization came the invention of money, and with the invention of money, uh came the invention of rich people and uh schools to basically you want to educate if you're rich, you want to educate your child so that they can stay rich so that they don't have to go back in the pit to work.
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:43.920
And with that came uh school teachers and uh nerds that were smart enough to get into the schools but not rich enough to pay for it.
00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:48.400
So the way they paid for it was by having rich people pay to do their homework.
00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:58.079
And with that, uh we got a bunch of lazy people that not lazy people, but curious people that had time and money to sit around playing with things.
00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:02.160
And with those people playing with things, then they started asking questions.
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:08.079
Um, and we got to Euclid and Aristotle in white man world.
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:12.480
In Persian world, they were already digging deep into this question.
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:16.480
In uh Asian world, they were you know well past this question.
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:21.199
But I was gonna say the Chinese seemed like they would have been like, hey, look at what the glass does.
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:23.599
Check this out like way there.
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:29.440
But no one understood, no one took the time to understand their language, and they were so far out there.
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:30.159
That's true.
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:30.480
Okay.
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:35.199
I thought you were gonna throw as a bit you were gonna say, well, nobody understood Chinese.
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:41.679
Like they literally nobody under they they yeah, China, I guess, was so isolated and their language was so different.
00:34:41.760 --> 00:35:00.719
Yeah, but like people than like GRACA, but uh like Persia was right across a lake, essentially, or the Mediterranean, you know, right across the uh Mediterranean Sea, there's uh Persia and there's trade routes, and Persia had a lot of stuff going on, so uh you know there were some ideas exchanged.
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:16.320
But before that, uh in White Man World, we had Euclid, who was the father of geometry, uh and dude created geometry, like he studied triangles, he studied circles, he understood math.
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:20.239
Uh he invented large swaths of math.
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:29.679
Uh, but his idea was that our eyes shot beams out uh to detect things, and that's where color came from.
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:32.559
A decent stab, a decent stab at the idea.
00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:37.679
Yeah, but it's it's not it's it's reversed, but like, yeah.
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:44.480
And on the other side of the pulpit, you had uh Aristotle saying, nah, the sun be doing things.
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:50.480
Don't don't let those guys each other in a hallway.
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:53.039
That's gonna go down.
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:57.440
Uh yeah, so uh Euclid and Aristotle had debates over light.
00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:11.920
Um, Euclid argued, I believe it was Euclid arguing that the eyes shot out beams, and then uh Aristotle's like, no, the sun bounces the light and then goes into our eyes.
00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:17.280
And interesting question to like not know the answer to.
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:19.119
Oh, yeah, like definitively.
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:22.000
Like, so like that was the argument of the day.
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:24.400
Was like, no, you fool, it's beams.
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:27.280
It was like, no, the beams are already there.
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:34.239
Like, like, what uh these are like two men at like I would assume, like kind of the top of their game, right?
00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:39.760
Like, if we're talking about like Euclid and and uh what was the other Aristotle?
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:40.639
Aristotle, yeah, yeah.
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:45.280
Like one of the guys arguing about this.
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:48.960
I is it Aristotle before Socrates or Socrates before Aristotle?
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:50.000
I'll find out.
00:36:50.880 --> 00:37:01.039
I I know it's like Aristotle's like one of the big turning points of philosophy, and uh he's Socrates before Aristotle.
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:16.800
Okay, so Aristotle's very deep into the socks Socratic method of getting to an answer, like ask questions and um just keep point upwards and look angry in babe dance.
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:24.639
Uh the downside of the Socratic method is is when you ask a lot of questions, people get really annoyed and then they feed you poison and kill you.
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:28.480
So um, you know, there is a downside to that.
00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:34.400
Um, but Aristotle's thought was that it was it was essentially one path.
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:49.039
It's a mixture of black and white, gives you uh different colors, which from his point of view, it is it does make sense, and it kind of on a level is true.
00:37:49.119 --> 00:38:00.719
It is like every it's almost in my philosophy, where it's like it's like I understand that there's there's there's white, which is like pure complete on, and there's black, which is like no color.
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:03.599
It's like okay, all right, I see where you're going.
00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:12.320
And see, in my brain philosophy, I believe that everything is binary, it's just you have to ask a lot of questions.
00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:18.480
It's not is it black, is it white, is it's it's is it white, yes or no?
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:20.719
No, is it black, yes or no?
00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:23.440
Yeah, no, so it's something in between.
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:25.280
So is it this?
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:26.320
Yes or no?
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:29.679
And it's it's not is it black or white?
00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:31.280
It's is it white?
00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:36.239
Yes or everything's a yes or no question, on or off, and binaries on or off.
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:42.800
And if it's white and if it's not white and it's not black, it's gotta be something else.
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:44.079
So then is it red?
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:45.199
No, is it blue?
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:48.400
No, is it ingo for this episode?
00:38:48.480 --> 00:39:08.480
Yes, yeah, and um, but yeah, when you when you ask, I mean that's the microcomputers and and the whole basis of uh artificial intelligence is just a enormous, enormous amount of binary digits.
00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:10.719
Is the light on or off?
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:14.320
Yeah, a billion trillion times a second, yeah.
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:26.480
And and that's all it like that is the basis of intelligence, and most people ignore that, so they get trapped into a conversation of is it Republican or Democrat?
00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:35.440
And uh if you get stuck there, you get stuck there, it's Republican Democrat a billion trillion times a second.
00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:40.079
It's uh yeah, your processor can only handle one Republican at a time.
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:48.079
Yeah, and if you're not uh um a capitalist, you're obviously a the other thing, communist and you're evil, you know.
00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:49.760
It's like is communist evil?
00:39:49.920 --> 00:40:02.400
Well, those all those people who do those things just show them like an image, like a video image of like a street in modern China and watch them just be oh, I know everyone just goes, everyone in America just goes, I didn't know they could like walk around.
00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:18.639
Like you know, like that's how but that's how like small your your view, you're you've you've got that overton window uh like view of like the world, and like sometimes that's benign, sometimes that's just happens, it's just that the window is this small.
00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:19.360
That's it.
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:26.480
Sometimes you do get the full picture, sometimes you do get the uh the guy is with the knife, but he's running from wolves or whatever.
00:40:26.719 --> 00:40:39.920
Like, you know, sometimes you do get the full picture, but you don't get the full picture of everything, you don't get the like so oh, is is China a capitalist uh country or a communist country?
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:41.760
Well, the answer is yes.
00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:44.639
Like you know, and I don't know.
00:40:44.800 --> 00:41:07.280
The only way for you to understand what's happening there is for you to like see that what they're doing and read like their art, you know, read read their books and and watch their movies and stuff to get a vibe for like hey, what is normal for Chinese people, you know, like just as an example, as an example of the what uh what but non-binary thinking, I guess.
00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:07.840
Uh-huh.
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:20.000
Like just they're you know, yeah, a lot of people ignore like they're like, Oh, we don't want to live in an authoritarian uh uh kind uh community.
00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:36.800
So we're going to let Hal over here take charge because he he's gonna do the things that are are gonna hold authoritarianism back, and the thing he's gonna use to hold authoritarianism back is authoritarianism.
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:42.320
Yeah, and sug of people got arrested for voicing political opinions, yeah.
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:54.639
It's like you're you're missing the point, you don't want that type of authoritarianism, but you're willing to give up and give over to this authoritarianism.
00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:59.440
It's like our authoritarianism has Snickers bars, that's the difference.
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:03.760
So does China, China has bench.
00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:04.880
No, I don't know.
00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:06.559
It's like at least we have McDonald's.
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:08.320
I'm like, have you been to Russia?
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:14.639
By the way, like as though like the Chinese would not figure out how to do a McDonald's anyway.
00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:24.480
Like, yeah, they're just gonna do a knockoff and they have yeah, they have like regular McDonald's, sure, but like if we cut them off from that and they still want a McDonald's, they would just be like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:26.960
Arabic American, something like that.
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:28.079
What are you gonna do?
00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:30.079
Bomb us over McDonald's?
00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:38.079
Oh, no, I was going back to like the the Chinese have stolen every piece of software that we've ever created.
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:53.519
Uh, and they I mean, not accusing them of stealing, but there have been groups inside of China that have found a way to uh reverse engineer everything that they have gotten their hands on to.
00:42:53.840 --> 00:43:04.880
Just like I was when I was in Israel on the dock, there were people that were selling you know pirated DVDs of every movie that America was producing.
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:19.280
And when I went to Spain, there were people that had pirated software, and it's like everywhere you go, there's people that have figured out how to do crime that doesn't really hurt anyone, it just steals a lot of money.
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:26.480
Yeah, and you know, it's like I'm not gonna buy that movie anyway, but now that it's a dollar, okay, I'll do that.
00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:40.719
Everywhere in the world you go, there's a little Game Boy that has every Super Nintendo game ever made on it, and uh and an overly congenial middle-aged uh local uh who will not stop calling you his friend, everywhere.
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:45.679
Uh so you know, crime is uh everywhere.
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:51.360
There are people, there are hungry people that are moving from place to place to try to find a better way to live.
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:59.760
Everywhere, there's it is everywhere you go, there is an enemy, and uh, if you look at someone like an enemy.
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:02.880
Uh you're missing the point.
00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:12.079
Yes, there are the the enemy is the people that are trying to puppet puppeteer everyone else, and that's just everywhere.
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:24.000
Like there are people up top, there's people down low, there's people in the middle, there's you know, it's it's the same everywhere, it's just in a different swath of of the rainbow.
00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:32.880
And uh Indigo uh happened to be the swath in India.
00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:35.840
It is literally named after India.
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:46.239
Uh it's like I think the etymology of the word basically is from India, uh, and uh it is a plant.
00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:55.920
Uh I think most plants uh can produce some sort of green or brown dyes, and lots of yellow, too, and lots of yellow.
00:44:56.159 --> 00:45:10.239
Um from bugs and other organic material, we can get reds, but from one plant or one one very small subset of plants, we can get blue.
00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:14.159
Um and the plants themselves aren't even blue, yeah.
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:15.840
And they hit it.
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:17.280
Yeah, they did.
00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:21.519
There's like a process they have to go through to get the blue out of the plant.
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:22.159
It's crazy.
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:22.480
Huh?
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:24.480
Oh, oh, yeah, I I forgot.
00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:39.039
So uh Aristotle thought it was a mix of black and white, and then in Persia, uh Abin Sinai uh added gray, or he took the gray and said there's also red and green.
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:43.119
I like to imagine each of these being accompanied by people like cheering in a stadium.
00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:55.599
And then uh centuries later, Nasir al-Din Al Tusi uh was like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, there's also yellow and blue in there.
00:45:55.920 --> 00:46:01.519
So like this is them looking at the rainbow, like a like a prismatic rainbow, yeah.
00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:14.880
Uh prismatic rainbow of or or basically optics, like um okay, and like and like basically kind of uh seeing more and more radiation in the colors, yes, as time as time would go on.
00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:24.079
Okay, yeah, and and uh you know, in dye mixing, in painting, in art, in color, just in in vocabulary itself.
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:26.559
It was like, oh, you know, it's green.
00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:30.719
It's like, well, what do you call this thing in between here?
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:33.599
Yellow, green, done.
00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:35.360
There's something here.
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:38.480
There's something between the red and the green.
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:40.400
What do you what do you want to call that?
00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:43.360
And they're like, Oh, yellow, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:51.440
That's the part where I'm kind of like, we know that this is a color, sort of instinctually, because like yellow existed, yellow was around.
00:46:51.599 --> 00:47:03.119
Yeah, it's not like the blue thing was like, oh, blue was kind of rare because like not a lot of things are blue, or like you know, mammals just aren't blue unless they have that kind of oily sheen, maybe.
00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:04.639
But like, you know, there's this.
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:12.079
I'm just trying to think of like you knew that there was the sky, but you you're like, I don't know how to get the sky down onto like a textile format.
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:13.440
There's nothing that really maps that.
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:14.719
Oh, here's this berry.
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:21.039
Now we know, but like yellow is wild because it's like yellow's just around, lots of stuff is yellow.
00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:22.559
Like, I don't know.
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:40.480
And they they just kind of went, reddish, it's reddish with with some green, or they might have called it more greenish than yeah, you know, plant life was green, uh, and it's like it's a variation of green because it's attached to the plant, so there you go.
00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:41.760
Yeah, yeah.
00:47:42.079 --> 00:48:06.880
Uh, and then came in 1021, bin al-Hatham uh wrote the book of optics, and uh, so that's where we start getting glass and uh other objects involved into seeing, you know, digging in deeper to being able to see, and it's not just our eyeballs are popping us out.
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:19.280
Uh and the that book is basically the basis of all things that we know about vision and sight and light and and all things like that.
00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:25.280
He was Persia before the Muslim takeover, basically.
00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:28.559
Uh so I I I am terrible with that.
00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:32.480
I am terrible at when things change.
00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:41.119
Like for me, France has always been France, and it they always hate the English, and the English always hate there, and English is that island there, but there's a lot of again.
00:48:41.199 --> 00:48:44.639
That's my binary thinking of you know, it's like Gaul.
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:47.599
What the fuck is Gaul?
00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:52.320
It's like, oh, the Roman Empire was part of was in Spain at one point.
00:48:53.360 --> 00:49:10.079
No, uh so yeah, it's it's like an ever-evolving, ever-changing swirl of Roman influence uh moving down, and uh even well, even before the Romans got involved, um oh no, no, no, no.
00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:12.719
Uh so in 1021 he wrote the book.
00:49:12.880 --> 00:49:20.719
200 years later, uh, the book is translated into Latin, which then the the Romans start digging into this whole thing.
00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:28.320
Uh and at that time, you know, they're red cloaked, and then they find purple, and they're like, ooh, here we go.
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:29.360
This is special.
00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:32.400
This is this is the VIP extra.
00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:36.000
This is the VIP room and set in this is nice.
00:49:37.760 --> 00:50:00.800
It's like we have we have Rome, which is a bunch of slaves, a bunch of thieves, and and a bunch of Romans, and then here's this VIP section for the people that have red cloaks, and then here inside there, that's you know, the roped off little booth where they're bringing the champagne out to, you know, only five guys get to sit here with the purple cloaks.
00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:04.880
Um that's so funny that it's like that.
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:07.280
The same thing just keeps on happening.
00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:08.639
I mean, this is like late.
00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:09.440
This is late.
00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:22.159
We've already had like Aristotle talking to Euclid about like the fundamental nature of color, and like like thousands of years later, there's these guys going like, yo, what's that new color?
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:24.239
That's well, it's mine, obviously.
00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:26.159
It's mine and you can't have it.
00:50:29.119 --> 00:50:38.159
Like, see, when I when I say history is not flat, it wasn't hey, the Greeks came along and then the Greeks disappeared, and then the and they moved over to Rome.
00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:48.639
It's the Greeks went away, and like all that knowledge went away, and then the Romans uncovered like Indiana Jones style.
00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:54.719
They uncovered a bunch of this stuff and started you know studying it, you know, years, years, centuries later.
00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:59.119
They started it's like, oh, this guy guess they were working on color.
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:01.199
Okay, yeah, it answers these questions.
00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:08.320
It's like I can say that I just discovered this, and I have a good marketing guy that says I'm the first one to ever think this thought.
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:11.039
So no one, no one else has read this book.
00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:12.880
So here we go.
00:51:13.360 --> 00:51:16.400
Believe it or not, new colors are still being like discovered.
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:21.679
Like just last month, there was a color discovered that some people are calling the greenest green.
00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:23.199
Uh oh, this is one of those.
00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:23.599
Okay.
00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:29.360
It's called um Olo O L O, and it looks not green to me.
00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:33.280
It looks like uh almost like a blue green with some white mixed in.
00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:37.519
But um, yeah, it was discovered April 18th, 2025.
00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:38.719
So that's very recent.
00:51:38.880 --> 00:51:42.159
I don't know why they're talking about it now because I just read an article about it the other day.
00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:51.679
It feels very like uh the whenever the the pinkest pink or the vanta black, you know, type of well, it's this isn't this isn't artist created, this is scientist created.
00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:54.559
They discovered it with something called the Oz laser.
00:51:54.880 --> 00:51:59.280
I don't know um all of the detail, but it can't be captured with a camera.
00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:02.639
Uh so isn't that convenient, scientists?
00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:05.039
Well, you know, that's interesting though.
00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:14.320
I've um when since we moved up here, we have a lot of flowers and we have we have a lot of stuff in the yard, and I take pictures of them and it doesn't it doesn't do it justice.
00:52:14.480 --> 00:52:17.920
So I I can understand this not being able to be captured by a camera.
00:52:18.079 --> 00:52:22.559
Like there's colors out there that a camera can't get, and I I have proof of that every day now.
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:28.639
Oh well, I mean like you try to take it, try to take a picture of the moon, and it you just look at it, you're like not even close.
00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:32.320
Yeah, not even not not even a good try on the moon.
00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:34.559
Again, that that is the limitation.
00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:37.920
That's the limitation on the number the number of switches.
00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:59.280
Like before, like uh when I'm teaching, uh I'm teaching PLC, which is involves counting in binary and all that stuff, and to illustrate it, it's like if you've ever played a Nintendo, the original Nintendo Entertainment System, it had eight bits, which limited it to like 64 colors.
00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:16.400
And if you had a Windows 3.1, you can remember that you know they had a red and orange, and a yellow and a blue, like there was a very limited palette of you know 16 colors at one point, and that's all we needed too, kids.
00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:21.039
So and then we get more uh switches turning on.
00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:22.000
Is the light on?
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:22.719
Yes or no?
00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:34.079
Now we've got 256 colors, and then we advance that, and now we're still limited to you know 1000 XXX, you know, amount of colors.
00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:38.880
But as we almost covered the entire like uh like SE catalog now, yeah.
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:53.199
And now it's it's as we get more switches and more control over what how we can control what produces light coming out of a screen, we could get more colors.
00:53:53.440 --> 00:54:09.039
Um we can like I'm sure like Jamie Marjorie is an artist in Orlando, and uh we've we've talked about him before, and he will take a picture of the art and post it online, and it's like this is amazing stuff.
00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:42.400
And we had the very distinct honor of sitting in his driveway uh during the pandemic while he brought out some of the stuff he was working on, and he is he he's one of those people that has extra senses, like he can see stuff that other humans cannot see, and he pulls it out and he creates it and puts it on a canvas and makes like I can look at his painting and I know I'm not seeing what he is seeing, but I can see much more than I've seen before.
00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:52.079
Like it's it's a dive into a depth that he knows about that you have you can like look at the surface of and go, okay, I think there's a fish down there somewhere.
00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:56.400
It's but it's nothing compared to like what he's got on the painting.
00:54:56.639 --> 00:55:05.679
Yeah, it's it's much more than I've seen before, but I do know that I'm not seeing to the depth and level that he sees.
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:24.000
And as an obstacle, he reminds me of like the the like uh sad, uh terrifying uh I think like Ukrainian uh guy who just like do like really spooky like skeletons, but like if they were alien and demon and all this other he was the I think he was the Polish.
00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:26.000
Yeah, we watched a documentary on him.
00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:28.320
I think I think he was the Polish guy.
00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:38.079
Uh but he he like he has these things of like even though a lot of his stuff is like black and white, there's this like grasp on like structure, uh-huh.
00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:46.320
Where it's like you can go, you can like imagine things like it how they are as they recede beyond vision.
00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:50.079
Is and uh is this is it is it kind of similar with what you're talking about with Jamie?
00:55:50.239 --> 00:56:00.079
Like that kind of like depth of like I can imagine the other sides of this thing, it's that you've done like such a a deep level of of painting this side of it, yeah.
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:05.599
That I understand this as a three-dimensional thing in space, not a painting or a scene.
00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:14.320
But but with Jane with Jamie's uh yes, in in that tech tactile sense, but also in a color sense.
00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:30.079
Like I know that he has reached uh uh he has picked out an indigo that I see oh as a certain color, but I know he is seeing it in like he's seeing the Mary Kay shades, yes, shade by shades.
00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:35.440
I feel he could cut he could probably find that Olo color somewhere and recreate it.
00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:43.360
I feel like he could see a color in our yard that we can't get our cat camera to capture and like come here and do a painting of it and be like, oh yeah, that's the color it is for real.
00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:45.519
It's the color, I'm looking at it right now.
00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:53.280
It's like the color of like a like when you shine a UV light on something green on that glow in the dark.
00:56:53.360 --> 00:56:55.760
It's the color of glow in the dark, is what it is.
00:56:56.159 --> 00:57:00.800
Oh like Mountain Dew with like Mountain Dew with uh with a blue black light through it.
00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:02.320
It's Baja Blast, yes.
00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:05.360
Oh yes, Baja Blast, yes, yes.
00:57:06.159 --> 00:57:06.800
Yes.
00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:13.920
I love that they're just like we can't, and I understand there's probably a depth to this that you when you see it in real life from the Oz laser, it's different.
00:57:14.079 --> 00:57:17.760
And if but like I looked it up in immediately, I was like, oh yeah, Baja Blast.
00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:29.280
Like if you go to the Wikipedia article about it too, they call it an imaginary color because you can't see it with the naked human eye, and only five people in the world have seen it, apparently.
00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:32.559
Well, did they get a pin?
00:57:33.119 --> 00:57:36.800
They have to give them something special, like a scarf, something like that.
00:57:37.119 --> 00:57:42.400
It's like I always think about that with like the you know, there's only like eight people in the world who speak Sanskrit.
00:57:42.559 --> 00:57:44.719
Like, do they know each other?
00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:46.400
Do they hang out?
00:57:46.639 --> 00:57:49.840
Like, let's let's get these guys in a room.
00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:53.519
I know that.
00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:54.480
Like, how did this happen?
00:57:54.639 --> 00:57:55.599
Also, how did this happen?
00:57:55.760 --> 00:58:00.639
Somebody had to teach somebody else, you teach yourself Sanskrit.
00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:02.000
I don't think.
00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:04.079
I don't think it's on Duolingo.
00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:06.079
I don't, I don't believe so.
00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:16.320
And if so, it would probably suck because I tried to learn Gaelic on Duolingo, and I got to a certain part of it where it just repeated itself and I didn't learn anything more.
00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:21.280
So I imagine Sanskrit would be like maybe just like one initial lesson that kept repeating.
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:23.519
That's all the budget they had.
00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:25.920
I think is it a written is it?
00:58:26.239 --> 00:58:26.880
It's recorded.
00:58:26.960 --> 00:58:28.239
I don't know if it's only written.
00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:30.079
For some reason, I associate it with being written.
00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:32.639
Maybe it's not, maybe it's both.
00:58:33.440 --> 00:58:34.880
Uh yeah.
00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:45.280
Uh so Ibn Al Haytham, uh writing the book of optics, uh got as close.
00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:47.280
I mean, this is 1021.
00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:50.400
Uh, and he had a huge breakthrough.
00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:53.599
And then uh what year was that?
00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:57.360
Uh how many and how many colors are we up to by 1021?
00:58:57.440 --> 00:58:59.199
Have we already gone through the gamut?
00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:03.199
Uh no, he they stopped at five there.
00:59:03.280 --> 00:59:06.079
Newton is the one that put the seven in right.
00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:09.599
Okay, he added orange and per and uh Newton's the one with OCD.
00:59:11.119 --> 00:59:18.239
Before there, uh there was another Persian, Kamal Al-Din al-Faris uh Ferris.
00:59:18.639 --> 00:59:37.119
Uh he basically uh was studying and looking at uh they they're discussing, you know, oh whenever they they finally got to the point where oh the moisture in the air is what's causing the rainbows across the sky.
00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:53.119
And so he did an experiment where he's in a dark room and uh opens up a tiny window to shine some light through a fishbowl full of water, and he was like, Oh, okay, here's what's actually happening.
00:59:53.199 --> 01:00:18.159
It's not just the lights bouncing off the water and going through that, it's it's going into the water and refracting and bouncing off the side of you know, it's refracting as it's going in and hitting the back wall of the the raindrop and bouncing, and then it's going through a second time and refracting and spreading even more, and that's what's giving us the rainbow.
01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:54.559
So all of this knowledge of you know the the Greeks uh being translated into Latin, and then the Persians being translated into Latin, and then uh I guess Newton was I can't remember where Newton was from, but all of that stuff is translated from Latin into whatever he's studying, and he's rich enough and bored enough and smart enough to to start messing around with stuff, and everyone's like, Oh, yeah, there's there's flaws in the the glass, and he's like, No, no, no, no, these Persian fellas figured out it's not that problem.
01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:57.760
I'm gonna steal this idea and let everyone know about it.
01:00:58.079 --> 01:01:00.559
No wonder people hate smart people, by the way.
01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:13.760
He's just like, like, it's like, please, uh just try to survive the winter, and then like this like fop is like, hmm, I wonder what causes the colors to be in the it's just the glass, dude.
01:01:13.840 --> 01:01:15.039
It's just the glass.
01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:16.880
Do you have bread or not?
01:01:16.960 --> 01:01:19.199
You know, and then he's like, no, no, no, no.
01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:23.199
An old Persian fellow by the name of Ibn Al-Rashid, uh, I believe.
01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:24.960
It's like, just beat him up.
01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:27.039
Beat I see Newton up.
01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:29.039
I love that.
01:01:29.679 --> 01:01:34.159
Your exposure to knowledge that I was not exposed to does not make you smarter, you shit.
01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:38.400
Yeah, like the other guy's like I don't have to, I guess I don't even have to be here for this conversation.
01:01:38.559 --> 01:01:45.599
Like uh, so yeah, Newton uh put uh a prism going out and a prism going in.
01:01:45.679 --> 01:01:54.000
So you know it splits the light and then puts the light back together, and he's like, see, it's it's it's all you know, it's all part of that light.
01:01:54.159 --> 01:02:06.719
And he actually measured it and said, This little section, you know, this wavelength from here to here is is red and you know, all through orange, yellow, blue, indigo, violet.
01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:07.440
Here we go.
01:02:07.599 --> 01:02:13.360
Or oh, yeah, I think he did the uh initial five and then his OCD kicked in, and he was like, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh.
01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:28.559
To be fair though, here's my thing with this indigo indigo thing is uh all of our uh little name badges on this thing are orange, you know, and I know that that is distinct from our little recording badge up there, which is red.
01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:33.360
So like good on him for going, like, yeah, there is something between yellow and red.
01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:39.440
But like, there's also like I think on the color wheel, you know, it wraps back around.
01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:45.679
Obviously, with light, it becomes ultraviolet and infrared at each end of the of the band.
01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:53.760
But like on the color wheel, you know, blue flows back into red pretty seamlessly through the use of a little guy I like to call purple.
01:02:53.920 --> 01:02:54.159
Yep.
01:02:54.480 --> 01:02:57.199
It's like I know purple exists, I'm good.
01:02:57.679 --> 01:03:00.079
Where who is indigo, man?
01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:01.920
Like orange is a banger.
01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:05.039
Good on you, good on you for orange, an all-timer.
01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:11.199
But I'm just like, he had to do his weird little like everything sevens, like, because of L to me.
01:03:11.760 --> 01:03:18.079
Like, um uh I I know what I'm about to say is gonna sound idiotic.
01:03:18.639 --> 01:03:39.760
I I I what I'm about to say is gonna sound completely idiotic because I have uh I mathematically I cannot connect math and music when I was a young child, and right now it's a little bit late in the game, and I'm trying to play catch up, but no one ever put it into mathematical formulas to make it make sense to me because every other child was like, oh bass.
01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:50.000
So the gearing of teaching music when I was a child was geared away from math and more towards creative, so it never made sense to me.
01:03:50.239 --> 01:04:05.440
But from uh A to B or from A to C is a full octave or something like that, and then from A to B is like a half-step octave or some some crap like that.
01:04:05.679 --> 01:04:17.599
Uh the step from red to yellow on the spectrum uh scale that he was using was a full step going oh of like a uh nanometer wavelength or whatever.
01:04:17.840 --> 01:04:18.960
Okay, yeah, exactly.
01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:21.519
And so orange was a half step.
01:04:21.679 --> 01:04:26.639
So then he went to the other end of the scale and said, Oh, here's the end, the other end of the scale.
01:04:26.719 --> 01:04:28.480
Here's purple, here's blue.
01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:30.079
Give me a half step.
01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:40.239
And also and and also to note, uh the at the time it's one of those marketing things where people have changed the definition of blue.
01:04:40.400 --> 01:05:04.639
At that time, Newton was looking at Cyan, uh, which is a lighter blue, so there was a huge distinction between the blue that he was describing and the purple that was coming out, and a half step in between there was the dark blue, and that's where he that's what he described as indigo, because at the time indigo was a very, very special color.
01:05:05.199 --> 01:05:06.559
Ah, okay.
01:05:07.119 --> 01:05:27.519
And uh it's going around where um, yeah, they in India they discovered this plant, and again, this is one of those ones where someone was doing something and it was pure accident, and someone stumbled upon something, and now we have a very strict process to create this thing.
01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:48.159
But um, because when you grind up the plant that makes indigo, it makes green or yellow, but if you put it underwater and let it soak for a while, it starts creating a blue because it starts to oxy.
01:05:48.639 --> 01:05:48.960
Go ahead.
01:05:49.199 --> 01:05:52.239
You yeah, you basically have to ferment the leaves to make the indigo.
01:05:52.639 --> 01:05:54.400
Ferment, that's yeah, yeah.
01:05:54.719 --> 01:06:01.760
So it's not oh, let me pick this berry and now I rub it on my Clothes and I've got purple.
01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:10.079
It's literally someone had to stumble upon something at some point, like it has to have been long, long ago.
01:06:10.639 --> 01:06:21.519
So almost really, if we want to think about it, it's almost more like the rainbow should be like Roigy Civ than Roiggy Biv.
01:06:22.000 --> 01:06:27.360
It's really more, it's really more of a thing of there was this thing that was blue.
01:06:27.519 --> 01:06:37.199
Because yeah, like honestly, blue, I think if you think about the different intensities and levels of blue, covers a lot, it covers a lot of the hues.
01:06:37.679 --> 01:06:45.280
So it makes sense that there would be that they would look at like a dark blue that distinctly isn't purple as a separate color.
01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:50.239
But I get yeah, I didn't think about like having we should bring back Cyan.
01:06:50.639 --> 01:06:53.440
Come on, Cyan, make another mist game.
01:06:53.679 --> 01:07:01.119
Here's something that has broken my brain about the rainbow, and that is in elementary school we learned a song about the colors of the rainbow.
01:07:01.280 --> 01:07:08.960
And I'm going to embarrassingly sing it for you now because indigo is nowhere in it, but there's another color that is in there that's not in the rainbow.
01:07:09.039 --> 01:07:15.760
Oh, and the song goes red and yellow and pink and green, purple and orange and blue.
01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:17.840
You can sing a rainbow, blah, blah, blah.
01:07:17.920 --> 01:07:18.719
But pink is in there.
01:07:18.880 --> 01:07:20.400
Pink isn't a rainbow color.
01:07:20.559 --> 01:07:22.320
Why do they teach me this wrong?
01:07:22.639 --> 01:07:23.199
Pink.
01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:32.239
Pink is like pink is like on another like dimension of coloredness that you have to like incorporate, which is uh saturation.
01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:36.000
So it's like, I don't know, like, yeah, kids.
01:07:36.159 --> 01:07:39.360
That that also is it, is it's like, well, that's not all the colors.
01:07:39.519 --> 01:07:40.960
I know that, and I'm five.
01:07:41.199 --> 01:07:43.119
Like Roigy Biv.
01:07:43.280 --> 01:07:45.280
No, that's about what about Royi Piv?
01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:54.880
Specifically, rainbow colors, and like music and science needed to get together and get their shit right because they could have made the words right to make it actual rainbow colors.
01:07:55.199 --> 01:08:00.480
This is will all be solved by the Vulcan domes that we put our eventual children in.
01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:04.400
But see, indigo is three syllables and pink is one.
01:08:04.960 --> 01:08:06.800
I'm gonna try to figure it out.
01:08:07.280 --> 01:08:08.400
Keep talking.
01:08:09.199 --> 01:08:33.039
I I think we needed like uh I would like to get someone musically inclined to to redo a bunch of stuff for my electrical classes that I'm teaching, uh, because I think it would like I grew up on schoolhouse rock, and I know things that I a child should not know, but it's embedded in my brain because I listened to those songs over and over, and they were magical.
01:08:33.199 --> 01:08:44.960
And the people does like the people that did schoolhouse rock and the people that did animaniacs and the people that did uh other educational shows like that could have done real evil stuff.
01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:54.960
Like, um, for instance, the people that did uh Time Out for Topper who you know got children addicted to cheese with a catchy little tune.
01:08:55.119 --> 01:09:12.079
Um, you know, it could be used like Jim Henson was a brilliant, brilliant person to discover he didn't do much for his own children, but for the rest of the children of the world, uh he came up with catchy little tunes to teach children all the things that they need to know.
01:09:12.319 --> 01:09:22.319
And uh yeah, about how I I know the zip codes of where I live and have lived, and also Chicago, Illinois.
01:09:22.479 --> 01:09:23.680
60652.
01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:26.239
Thanks, Scruff McGruff, the crime dog.
01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:30.000
Thanks for leaving that one in there forever.
01:09:30.479 --> 01:09:32.800
I know all 50 states because of the song, too.
01:09:32.880 --> 01:09:33.760
Also, I made it work.
01:09:33.840 --> 01:09:35.840
I'll sing it to you later, Mickey, if I can remember.
01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:38.720
Go ahead, make it okay.
01:09:38.800 --> 01:09:40.960
Hold on now, I gotta do it in my head again.
01:09:44.319 --> 01:09:45.600
Okay, it's really easy.
01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:51.520
All you do is you go red, orange, yellow, and digo, purple and green, and blue.
01:09:51.680 --> 01:09:52.720
That's all seven.
01:09:52.800 --> 01:09:54.880
Yeah, they could have given me the right colors.
01:09:55.039 --> 01:09:56.880
They weren't in the order in the sun they gave me.
01:09:56.960 --> 01:09:58.960
They don't need to be the or in in order in this one.
01:09:59.119 --> 01:10:05.039
And you know, like, you know, if you're precocious enough to go to raise your little hand and be like, uh, you know, what's what's pink?
01:10:05.359 --> 01:10:06.720
Oh, I fucking did.
01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:11.199
Yeah, and you know, your teacher would always be like, Well, that's a shade, and then you would just be like, What the fuck?
01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:12.479
What the what just happened?
01:10:12.720 --> 01:10:13.279
Yeah.
01:10:14.239 --> 01:10:16.319
What do you mean it's a shade?
01:10:16.720 --> 01:10:23.600
My music teacher could not explain it to me and just kept on playing the piano really loud and just tried to drown me out.
01:10:23.920 --> 01:10:25.680
You socratic little brat.
01:10:28.960 --> 01:10:44.800
Yeah, I would advocate for Socratic brats to just take over the world and uh and the world's gonna we'd have it would be very uncomfortable for a generation or two, but afterwards we would make such headway if if every little questioning child was allowed to question and bring it up.
01:10:45.039 --> 01:10:49.439
I do agree, but I also can't help but feel like somewhere on monkeys' paws curling in a closet somewhere.
01:10:49.600 --> 01:10:49.920
Oh yeah.
01:10:51.439 --> 01:11:03.359
One of the things our little group talked about while we were at the Jack White concert uh last weekend was if we were in the gifted program, and do you think that they're tracking everybody that was in the gifted program now?
01:11:03.439 --> 01:11:07.279
Like they made us do they made us do weird shit in the gifted program.
01:11:07.600 --> 01:11:16.560
Like our uh one of the things that the other girl that was with us mentioned was chewing up the pink tablets to see like how good you did brushing your teeth.
01:11:16.720 --> 01:11:19.520
Like, how are we supposed to know if that's really just for our teeth?
01:11:19.680 --> 01:11:22.399
Like, there's a lot of stuff they could have slipped in on us.
01:11:22.479 --> 01:11:24.800
We could be being tracked, I'm just saying.
01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:27.039
It's a pink tablet.
01:11:27.520 --> 01:11:29.039
It sparked something in my imagination.
01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:30.880
Yeah.
01:11:31.199 --> 01:12:12.399
Oh, I I definitely know that like I know the Navy has my DNA, and uh, I am pretty sure at some point they're going to create uh a super like out of not necessarily my DNA, but there were there were people in my uh department that were uh trapped geniuses, like they were too poor to go to college, so they signed up for this, which was the most advanced version of uh working class uh education for the military, and you know, they sucked our DNA out saying it was for identification in case we blew up and they couldn't find our dog tags.
01:12:12.479 --> 01:12:18.079
It's like, well, you've used dog tags for 200 years now.
01:12:18.399 --> 01:12:23.520
Uh it seems like a pretty good system, and then they're like, Yeah, but Vietnam.
01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:30.239
So, you know, they sold us on the idea that DNA tracking in case, you know, so that they could match our bot our corpses.
01:12:30.319 --> 01:12:32.479
And I'm like, well, that's kind of you know what?
01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:34.399
If I'm a corpse, just throw me over.
01:12:34.479 --> 01:12:35.600
I sh whatever.
01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:39.920
You know, my pay my mom was just gonna, you know, she'll just turn me into ashes anyway.
01:12:40.159 --> 01:12:44.560
We need we need the data of which genes will survive the wars.
01:12:45.199 --> 01:12:49.119
Um I'm every bad guy in a sci-fi movie from the 80s.
01:12:50.720 --> 01:13:02.399
So they're definitely gonna and and most of the people that were in the nuclear program for the Navy were most likely gifted children, unless they were too uh uh back then.
01:13:02.479 --> 01:13:04.000
They called you funny, I think.
01:13:04.159 --> 01:13:04.800
Oh, yeah, yeah.
01:13:05.600 --> 01:13:06.960
He's a little odd.
01:13:07.680 --> 01:13:10.239
Uh don't mind him, he's a little weird.
01:13:10.479 --> 01:13:34.159
I mean, there were a few disciplinary problems, but generally speaking, we were a bunch of odd fellas that could figure stuff out, and and there's there's definitely a mad genius in a navy in a in a military lab somewhere that's like, oh, take a little bit of this guy, and take a little bit of this guy, take a navy shield and mix him with a new guy, and he'll be a really smart, tough guy.
01:13:34.239 --> 01:13:39.840
And um now I want to see a cartoon comic book guy for those simple.
01:13:40.319 --> 01:13:50.079
I want to see a cartoon superhero show that's called called Oddfellows Guys Who Figure Stuff Out, and that guy's obviously the star.
01:13:51.359 --> 01:14:13.199
Um, so yeah, the some weirdos over in India figured out that they could ferment these weeds in big uh cement uh wells that they created, and over time they created a dye for that was amazing in all everything that I've read about indigo dye.
01:14:13.520 --> 01:14:22.239
It it it does so many amazing things, like it bonds to cloth in ways that no other dye will bond.
01:14:22.560 --> 01:14:27.600
Um I I uh did a little bit of I don't know if this is something you're gonna touch on, and if so, I apologize.
01:14:27.920 --> 01:14:28.239
Go ahead.
01:14:28.479 --> 01:14:44.880
But uh, I did I did a little bit of research about indigo and cloth and why that they dyed the police uniforms like that color, because that kind of ties into Julio Torres a little bit because he thinks uh all authority figures are navy blue, which is indigo-y.
01:14:45.199 --> 01:14:54.800
But um, the reason that they did that is because of how color fast it is, it doesn't run in the rain like a bunch of the older dyes did, and I think that's really interesting.
01:14:55.119 --> 01:14:58.399
Yeah, it bonds to the mustard stains better.
01:14:59.199 --> 01:15:02.239
Oh, and then better for jelly donut squirts.
01:15:02.960 --> 01:15:15.439
The color uh well, much later, uh it's used for denim jeans because of it hiding, having the ability to hide uh stains and and whatnot.
01:15:15.680 --> 01:15:25.520
And on top of that, the way it bonded to cotton and other fabrics, it made it softer and less chafy.
01:15:25.680 --> 01:15:39.600
So, like you if you had the choice between brown jeans and blue jeans, uh they you know, people started buying the brown jeans, and then like, hey, this is causing chafing in areas I don't want it to chafe.
01:15:39.840 --> 01:15:44.399
Um, but I tried the blue stuff and it was good.
01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:54.640
So more people started buying the blue stuff, and then because of the sales being much more on the blue side than the brown side, they stopped making the brown jeans.
01:15:54.720 --> 01:16:01.039
So now blue is the color of blue jeans, and Neil Simon Neil Diamond got a song out of it.
01:16:01.279 --> 01:16:06.720
I have a a question related to blue jeans coming up that I think we're gonna have my friend Aubrey on.
01:16:06.800 --> 01:16:10.720
Uh, I'll go ahead and tell you what it is now so you can start thinking about it, but it's not for a long way.
01:16:10.880 --> 01:16:14.640
Why do blue jeans go with any top, but blue pants don't?
01:16:14.960 --> 01:16:20.239
I think it's like uh you know how it's not even the dying, it's generally not like completely even.
01:16:20.479 --> 01:16:25.840
I think that creates like a dazzle camo effect that breaks up the outline of stuff.
01:16:26.079 --> 01:16:33.279
So you just sort of end up you're like, okay, you're like a just a person kind of shaped thing, and then the top is just like, well, there you go.
01:16:33.359 --> 01:16:33.680
I don't know.
01:16:34.720 --> 01:16:35.840
Yeah, I don't know.
01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:36.960
That's interesting.
01:16:37.119 --> 01:16:38.319
Um that's related.
01:16:38.720 --> 01:16:40.159
Never thought about that in my life.
01:16:40.479 --> 01:16:55.920
So uh, like any special thing, um, if it's reserved for the richest of the rich, uh, then the next level of rich get jealous and try to find a way to make it their own.
01:16:56.319 --> 01:17:05.279
Uh so um enstvement happened in India and in China and and Peru.
01:17:05.520 --> 01:17:11.920
The oldest uh uh evidence of indigo dye being used was in Peru.
01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:32.479
So it was like it was such a special color and special and a special plant um that grew like no one in Peru was was talking to anyone in India whenever they created this dye, but it happened in Peru, and it and that's the oldest uh evidence that we've had of it.
01:17:32.800 --> 01:17:41.920
But it also happened shortly after that in India without anyone from Peru flying over to India and saying, Hey guys, have you checked this out?
01:17:42.079 --> 01:17:50.800
It just someone saw it, and you know, a bunch of weirdos finding fermented plant life going, Hey, this makes a neat color.
01:17:51.279 --> 01:18:16.239
Um so the the middle rich people started buying up farms in India and enslaving a bunch of uh Indian workers uh to basically farm the shit out of this plant that would make this die, and then enslave the people making the die so that they could ship it home and make mass, mass profits off of it.
01:18:16.319 --> 01:18:18.079
Um enslave the ships.
01:18:18.159 --> 01:18:19.439
It's vertical integration.
01:18:19.600 --> 01:18:20.399
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:25.760
But from one end to the other, we've got slaves moving this stuff all over the world.
01:18:26.159 --> 01:18:26.640
What do you do?
01:18:26.880 --> 01:18:29.199
I own the color blue, basically.
01:18:29.359 --> 01:18:32.079
I own blue, you know that color, that's mine.
01:18:32.720 --> 01:18:38.640
And then um they tried using it for paint and it didn't quite work well.
01:18:39.279 --> 01:18:52.399
Uh and um, I during the dyeing process, when you like put a white thing into the dye and pull it out, immediately it's like a green color, it's not blue, it doesn't turn blue until it gets exposed to the oxygen longer.
01:18:52.479 --> 01:18:57.760
So it's such a weird, like it's I imagine that it looked like magic to them back then.
01:18:58.239 --> 01:19:00.800
Like it had to be a magical dye.
01:19:01.039 --> 01:19:05.600
And if you were one of the people that can control that, then you became a master.
01:19:05.760 --> 01:19:25.520
And uh part of the the thing that uh we watched a documentary on it, and part of the thing is everything about the process is a very d is a very close held secret, and it's a dying breed of people that actually know of it because of the synthetic dye that comes out later.
01:19:25.680 --> 01:19:37.920
Um but they couldn't make it into paint, so they found caves in Afghanistan, and uh they found this rock azure's lapis something or other.
01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:39.039
Ah, lazuli.
01:19:39.359 --> 01:19:40.800
Lapis lazuli, yeah.
01:19:42.079 --> 01:19:47.359
They found that they could take the rock and crush it and then mix it with some oil and make some paint.
01:19:47.680 --> 01:19:57.279
And because it was so expensive and so special, they reserved it for very few paintings, and uh most of it was religious.
01:19:57.520 --> 01:20:06.800
So if you ever see a painting of Mary with her shawl and her blue, like she's got like a blue uh cloak almost cloak on.
01:20:07.119 --> 01:20:13.199
That blue represents the special, like it was reserved for paintings of Mary because she was so special.
01:20:13.359 --> 01:20:17.279
Uh it was the stone set in Zeus's shield, I believe.
01:20:17.439 --> 01:20:19.760
His shield was made out of lapis lazuli.
01:20:19.840 --> 01:20:50.319
Yeah, like it was that special to them, and also blue was like, I guess, so rare that like they were like, This is Zeus's, like, first of all, Sky Guys kind of and uh because the rock was so special and they wanted more of it, because if you if someone else has it and you don't, you want to get it, and if you can get it, then you want to be able to sell it, so they enslaved a bunch of Afghanistan people and dang it again in order to mine this rock.
01:20:50.640 --> 01:20:59.840
Uh and it was so it was so um mystical that uh we talked about the Dutch painter Vermeer.
01:21:00.239 --> 01:21:08.399
Uh he painted he was trying to uh create his own style basically.
01:21:08.560 --> 01:21:11.600
So he bought a crap load of this stuff.
01:21:11.840 --> 01:21:19.119
Uh so much so that it bankrupted his family and put him in large amounts of debt for the rest of his life.
01:21:19.279 --> 01:21:26.720
Uh but like that that tweet that's like uh like food,$100, gas,$600, rent,$1,200.
01:21:27.279 --> 01:21:32.640
Uh like blue die,$13,526.
01:21:33.199 --> 01:21:35.760
Please help my family is starving.
01:21:37.680 --> 01:21:40.079
He's like the guy that inspired that, I guess.
01:21:40.239 --> 01:21:41.119
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
01:21:41.279 --> 01:21:43.840
Uh yeah, and he if you if you're on familiar.
01:21:44.560 --> 01:21:44.880
What was it?
01:21:44.960 --> 01:21:45.279
The die?
01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:46.399
He bought the die?
01:21:46.960 --> 01:21:48.239
He bought the rock.
01:21:48.479 --> 01:21:48.960
The rock.
01:21:49.119 --> 01:21:54.239
Well, he bought the paint made from the rock from such quanties that he bankrupted him and his family.
01:21:54.399 --> 01:21:54.960
Jesus.
01:21:55.359 --> 01:22:01.840
Yeah, but one of his paintings is so well known that there's like a different version of it on a giant building here in Detroit.
01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:03.359
Like it's a he he didn't.
01:22:08.560 --> 01:22:12.880
Yeah, the the the story of the girl with the pearl earrings.
01:22:13.039 --> 01:22:16.560
Uh, he used a lot of blue paint.
01:22:16.720 --> 01:22:41.680
Uh, and it was such a special painting in Dutch history that um there was some gentleman in the Dutch court that purchased it, it was like 24 uh the equivalent of 24 euros today, and he bought it because it was banged up and he didn't want someone else to come grab it and take it away from the Netherlands.
01:22:42.000 --> 01:22:51.279
And when the Nazis invaded it, that was one of the paintings they hid underneath uh the museum in order to save it and preserve it.
01:22:51.600 --> 01:23:01.119
And in 1994, they cleaned up the painting, and then like in 2000 or something like that, Scarlett Johansson made an entire movie about it.
01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:12.479
So uh, but yeah, he did a whole crap load of other paintings using this blue rock paint uh because he just wanted the indigo color to to happen.
01:23:12.720 --> 01:23:14.319
Well, he'd he had better.
01:23:14.560 --> 01:23:17.119
Yeah, I want a painting that's nothing but that.
01:23:17.199 --> 01:23:18.800
You better fucking use all of it.
01:23:19.039 --> 01:23:20.800
It's not even the biggest part of the painting.
01:23:20.880 --> 01:23:23.119
The painting is mostly like a yellow goldy color.
01:23:23.199 --> 01:23:26.960
There's just like one band across her forehead that is the the blue.
01:23:27.279 --> 01:23:28.159
Great band.
01:23:29.119 --> 01:23:31.199
No notes on the band, you know.
01:23:31.359 --> 01:23:38.720
Uh, but just very kind of funny to look at the band, her hair band, and be like, yeah, that bankrupted a family.
01:23:38.960 --> 01:23:39.279
Yeah.
01:23:39.520 --> 01:23:44.399
That was that caused that caused marital issues, very likely.
01:23:45.279 --> 01:23:52.800
And uh another uh press agent for the color indigo itself was Charles Linnaeus.
01:23:53.039 --> 01:23:58.079
Uh he is a Swedish botanist, ecologist, and physician.
01:23:58.159 --> 01:24:02.399
He is known as the father of taxonomy taxonomy.
01:24:02.720 --> 01:24:08.560
Okay is the one that uh named the indigo.
01:24:08.720 --> 01:24:10.640
Oh, what was the bird that we looked at, Jackie?
01:24:10.800 --> 01:24:11.920
I wrote everything but that.
01:24:12.159 --> 01:24:14.640
And I wanted to say this indigo bunting.
01:24:14.800 --> 01:24:26.560
Yeah, the indigo bunting, because uh the bunting of the bird, like the the chest area was a was the purest of indigos, and they would fluff it out trying to attract women.
01:24:26.720 --> 01:24:33.439
And oh my god, some of the like the buntings and and some of these birds uh doing their little dance and stuff.
01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:42.640
I I've never been a fan of nature shows, but watching a bird clean up its air, its dance floor so that it could do its little uh sexy dance for the ladies.
01:24:43.119 --> 01:24:51.760
I I I don't want to keep up bringing Jamie Marjorie, but I was gonna say the dancing the dancing bird in real life video.
01:24:53.680 --> 01:25:05.920
Uh really well uh I wish I remembered which episode of Off the Air that was, but if you ever do want to see it, and also our friend Alex Luchin is in that video, friend of the program, and he doesn't even know Graham it.
01:25:06.239 --> 01:25:20.079
But uh uh Carl Carl Linnaeus uh had a little bit of juice because he uh accidentally pop he he did he did good across the board, like he was a good uh agent for for certain things.
01:25:20.159 --> 01:25:24.720
He's the one that uh popularized the metric system.
01:25:24.880 --> 01:25:32.239
Like before um uh Anders Celsius uh was like, oh, here we go.
01:25:32.479 --> 01:25:40.800
Uh zero is where we're boiling water and in a hundred degrees Celsius, uh we're measuring how cold things get.
01:25:40.960 --> 01:25:44.239
At a hundred degrees Celsius, it's gonna freeze.
01:25:44.560 --> 01:25:54.560
And uh uh Linnaeus was was using a thermometer to deal with some plants or whatever, and he's like, This makes no sense at all.
01:25:54.800 --> 01:25:59.760
As the as the as the markers go up, my plants freeze.
01:25:59.920 --> 01:26:04.960
So he called up a place and said, here, use this scale, but reverse it.
01:26:05.119 --> 01:26:11.439
I want water boiling at 100 and freezing at zero, and and we'll try this.
01:26:11.680 --> 01:26:15.920
Oh, he was uh he was the first proponent of user-friendly uh interfaces.
01:26:16.159 --> 01:26:17.760
That's really what he was.
01:26:18.399 --> 01:26:25.439
Uh so a bunch of his friends coming out checking out his plants, or like, yo, Carl, what what what's this thing here?
01:26:25.520 --> 01:26:28.159
And he's like, Oh, yeah, it's my new thermometer, it's a Celsius.
01:26:28.239 --> 01:26:30.319
And they're like, wait, no, Celsius goes the other way around.
01:26:30.399 --> 01:26:31.359
He's like, No, no, no, no.
01:26:31.520 --> 01:26:34.079
This is the new Celsius, this is the new way we're doing it.
01:26:34.319 --> 01:26:41.039
And a bunch of uh a bunch of the uh scientists of the era was like, Yeah, that makes so much sense.
01:26:41.119 --> 01:26:45.520
That that is so much better than Anders thing, whatever the hell he was thinking.
01:26:45.760 --> 01:26:55.199
And then the French Revolution came across, and they were like, Yes, this new Celsius thing, that's that is the official temperature of France.
01:26:55.359 --> 01:26:59.840
And since we're doing this zero to one hundred thing, we're just we'll carry it through.
01:26:59.920 --> 01:27:04.880
Uh, no more imperial stuff, we're just gonna do the zero to hundred thing all over the place.
01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:08.720
Let's upside down Celsius is a tool of the bourgeoisie.
01:27:11.039 --> 01:27:28.960
Uh so so you know, having him uh discuss it, uh or having him push the indigo uh bunting bird, uh push the indigo blur brand a little bit further into uh the stratosphere, especially.
01:27:29.359 --> 01:27:56.159
Uh so yeah, we've we've gotten the Afghan mines producing the Lapish Losure uh rock, we've got the Indians, the uh the India Indians, the Peruvian Indians, and the uh uh I believe in China and Japan and all over the tropical zone of the world creating this plant or growing this plant.
01:27:56.479 --> 01:27:59.760
And in India, that was the British came in.
01:28:00.159 --> 01:28:01.840
And locked a bunch of stuff down.
01:28:02.079 --> 01:28:24.800
They had ordered, because they were using it so much for naval and other officer or other official military things, they ordered the farmers to dedicate 15% of the land that any of the farmers owned to growing this plant so that they can make massive and massive amounts of dye.
01:28:26.159 --> 01:28:33.760
And then a whole bunch of enslavement and a bunch of forced deals.
01:28:34.159 --> 01:28:44.319
And then one day Gandhi is walking around India and one of the farmers comes up and says, Hey Gandhi, let me talk at you for a minute.
01:28:58.239 --> 01:29:18.960
From this uh dye in order to get the land back so that we could grow food so that we could eat, because the all the rest of the farmland is going to food that they're selling off, and the 15% of the land that we have to use for ourselves, they made us sign papers to grow this dye plant.
01:29:19.199 --> 01:29:24.720
So there's nothing left for us to food, and we want to food because we're hungry.
01:29:24.960 --> 01:29:28.079
I me sure would like to food if that's okay with you.
01:29:28.479 --> 01:29:30.079
Gonnie's like, What's the big deal?
01:29:30.159 --> 01:29:31.039
Just don't eat.
01:29:31.199 --> 01:29:34.000
Uh okay, I did not expect that.
01:29:35.039 --> 01:29:35.520
No, no, no.
01:29:35.840 --> 01:29:36.800
That's what that guy said.
01:29:36.880 --> 01:29:39.039
That guy said it was you know, there were a lot of answers.
01:29:39.119 --> 01:29:42.399
I was I was expecting to come out your mouth than that was the last one.
01:29:42.479 --> 01:29:44.159
That was the last one that I could think of.
01:29:44.319 --> 01:29:45.359
Uh, no, no, no.
01:29:45.439 --> 01:29:53.119
Uh so Ghani took on their case and uh visited a couple farms, and he's like, Oh, this is this is total bullshit.
01:29:53.439 --> 01:30:02.399
And um I like this is the birth of non-violent um protest, protest.
01:30:02.640 --> 01:30:12.560
Uh they wanted to they arrested him uh for getting involved, and then they're like, Well, let's just let him go and send him on his way and get him out of here.
01:30:12.800 --> 01:30:14.399
He's like, Oh no, no, no, no.
01:30:14.640 --> 01:30:15.920
No, no, no, no.
01:30:16.319 --> 01:30:17.600
You have a law.
01:30:17.920 --> 01:30:19.600
I broke the law.
01:30:19.920 --> 01:30:24.479
I must go through the court system and be tried for breaking this law.
01:30:24.640 --> 01:30:27.760
You must try me instead of letting me go.
01:30:27.840 --> 01:30:30.319
And he refused to just walk away.
01:30:30.800 --> 01:30:50.800
And be based on those uh uh court hearings, it got a lot of attention and essentially caught in instead of them trying him, he basically turned it back on the the new British owners of the land and said, Hey, this is what you guys have done.
01:30:51.279 --> 01:30:52.479
Is this right?
01:30:52.720 --> 01:31:05.439
And helped change the entire indigo uh die system uh based on those court hearings because he's just this is British occupied India, which is is that is that what they call the Raj?
01:31:06.159 --> 01:31:23.680
Yes, yes, the the the sort of like puppet leaders that they put in charge that the British put in charge while they were you know they had to go back and change their lace uh socks, so they left like kind of a uh a worm tongue type Indian in charge.
01:31:23.920 --> 01:31:24.640
Okay, yeah.
01:31:24.960 --> 01:31:35.680
And they also uh this leads into uh the British uh policy of I only know how courts work through Lord of the Rings, medieval courts.
01:31:35.920 --> 01:31:58.079
Uh but this also the uh the because of the uprising, you know, it started to become an uprising, is where uh Britain uh the British uh developed a new style called partitioning, where they split a country in half just to make it more manageable, which is where we ended up getting Pakistan versus India.
01:31:58.239 --> 01:32:05.600
Oh and then later on we they did it in Israel and separated out Israel and Gaza and Pakistan.
01:32:05.840 --> 01:32:14.159
And as we know, that worked out just fine, and it's been good ever since they did that, and great job, everybody, on that.
01:32:16.479 --> 01:32:21.279
Then coming up to the plate is a company called BASF.
01:32:21.520 --> 01:32:34.880
It is something it's a German conglomeration of words, but uh, if you lived in the 80s, uh BASF uh didn't make things, they just made things better, uh, was the tagline.
01:32:35.199 --> 01:32:39.359
Uh and a lot of videotapes at the time in the 80s were BASF.
01:32:39.920 --> 01:32:42.000
That's that's the first thing I thought of.
01:32:43.039 --> 01:32:47.840
Uh they got started and they created uh some map physical tapes themselves.
01:32:48.000 --> 01:32:49.600
That they they made those, okay.
01:32:49.760 --> 01:32:53.840
Yeah, well, they made the technology and then they bought the company and slapped their name on it.
01:32:54.079 --> 01:32:54.399
Oh, okay.
01:32:54.560 --> 01:32:54.880
Gotcha.
01:32:55.039 --> 01:32:59.359
If you wanted a high quality video tape, it was BASF was the top notch.
01:32:59.520 --> 01:33:08.560
Uh but here's the the thing is uh they created synthetic uh a way to create a synthetic indigo die.
01:33:09.119 --> 01:34:05.439
And they paired up with Levi Strauss and made the dye uh into you know, they basically blue jeans are starting to sell all over America and all over the world, and they're making bank, which then crashes the need for uh the homegrown India um indigo, uh which then makes that 15% that they were, you know, the the farmers were actually making the the deals that they were trapped into was oh, you can make some money off of this indigo to help pay off this thing, and uh because the demand for uh natural indigo went away, the farmers were trying to make the Indians pay for the loss of their profits because now everyone's buying synthetic ink or synthetic dye.
01:34:05.680 --> 01:34:13.520
So that was part of the the whole uh court thing was like you're demanding payment for a profit that you're not making.
01:34:14.560 --> 01:34:20.319
It's you're trying to get the the poor Indian farmers to make up for your losses.
01:34:20.560 --> 01:34:23.520
This is not a good contract at all.
01:34:24.720 --> 01:34:42.880
Um uh and then um uh again again, World War II and Nazis and BASF being a German company uh used forced labor, also known as Steving.
01:34:43.199 --> 01:34:45.840
Um Stevery.
01:34:46.319 --> 01:34:47.039
Stevery.
01:34:47.119 --> 01:34:57.840
Uh some of the chemicals used to eliminate an uh entire type of people was you know inventions uh from the BASF company.
01:34:58.720 --> 01:35:04.000
Um they have since been we do videotapes and other things as well.
01:35:05.039 --> 01:35:06.560
Classic Germans.
01:35:06.880 --> 01:35:23.119
And at a time uh post-World War II at a time where people were trying really, really hard to hold people accountable for atrocious behavior or you know, human atrocities, uh war crimes and stuff.
01:35:23.359 --> 01:35:40.079
24 of the uh executives at BAS BASF were brought to trial and found guilty and put in jail and then released uh six months later so that they could go back to work inventing other stuff.
01:35:40.399 --> 01:35:55.439
So, you know, it's kind of like that, you know, whenever they were like, hey, the scientist that created missiles that bombed the shit out of England, yeah, we'll go ahead and put them in charge of NASA because hey, hey, no genocide, pal, okay?
01:35:55.840 --> 01:36:02.640
All right, don't let me catch you, don't let me see you back in here for genocide, or I'm gonna be real mad.
01:36:03.199 --> 01:36:33.119
Uh yeah, so you know, there's uh so between uh you know a botanist and a Newton and German uh German industry and know-how and all this other stuff, you know, we get a lot of people pushing the agenda of indigo, and uh it it is still it is it's blue, it is it's navy blue, essentially, is what it is.
01:36:33.279 --> 01:36:35.039
Uh we've we've dialed it out.
01:36:35.119 --> 01:36:49.920
Now there are things the Greenland Iceland situation where it's like you know, somewhere along the line these wires kind of got crossed, and maybe what we know of as blue is is what indigo is, and that's where that slipped in.
01:36:50.079 --> 01:37:01.760
It was it's just that, like, yeah, I think Newton is looking at a much brighter blue and going, all right, well, that's blue, uh and here's the here's the sixth of seven notes, the indigo.
01:37:02.239 --> 01:37:04.720
Uh, I think that's probably what we're looking at.
01:37:04.960 --> 01:37:17.520
Yeah, so yeah, we end up with uh the question is is uh one that has to reach deep into history and pull out a lot of stuff because we're not dealing with what we were dealing with then.
01:37:17.680 --> 01:37:19.279
It's kind of like new and improved.
01:37:19.439 --> 01:37:43.359
Everyone you slap on new and improved, and or warning, you slap enough warning signs, it becomes meaningless, and and it's just like noise instead of actual a message, and indigo has been devalued so much that they're actually there's movements trying to remove it from the the rainbow, and it's like no Pluto situation.
01:37:43.600 --> 01:37:51.039
Yeah, we should be removed, like if anything, we should be adding more colors to the rainbow because there are more colors to the rainbow.
01:37:51.279 --> 01:37:52.479
That's my whole thing, actually.
01:37:52.560 --> 01:37:58.159
And honestly, we can wrote Pluto in on that as well, where it's like, what a dumb thing for them to do.
01:37:58.239 --> 01:38:04.399
And it's like, I almost feel like they do like the Pluto thing almost seemed like it was like, does science need money?
01:38:04.720 --> 01:38:09.520
And they like need like a controversy to kick up so that like people can care about it again?
01:38:09.680 --> 01:38:22.479
Because people took, first of all, they took the the Pluto demotion very per like more personally than I think scientists ever anticipated, because they're like, Well, this is my job, it's my job to decide what a planet is and isn't.
01:38:22.720 --> 01:38:25.039
We've really come to the conclusion that it's not.
01:38:25.119 --> 01:38:38.079
And people, people got up out of their beds, they got on their computers, they made their voices known about how offensive it was that Pluto was not a planet anymore.
01:38:38.319 --> 01:38:50.159
This idea that they will never physically you can't see Pluto in the night sky, like it's not a it's not gonna affect you, but they got real mad about it.
01:38:50.319 --> 01:38:54.720
And it's like it's almost like this, like uh speaking of PR, it's almost like a stunt.
01:38:54.800 --> 01:38:57.439
It's like a stunt to get people to go, okay.
01:38:57.520 --> 01:39:02.000
Well, hey, donate to NASA or donate to you know SETI or whatever.
01:39:02.239 --> 01:39:30.640
Uh but man, like it comes down, and it's one of those things where it's like I was whenever I went into quality assurance, I had there was a lot of pushback because people were like, Well, this is the way we always did it, and it's like, well, the way you always did it is wrong now because there's new laws in place that says what you we can't do that no more, like it it simply is things change, words change.
01:39:30.720 --> 01:39:32.960
Like, I I watched an argument.
01:39:33.039 --> 01:39:37.199
Uh I follow Merriam Webster's on on one of the social medias.
01:39:37.439 --> 01:39:39.600
Oh, he wants some nerd fights, you know.
01:39:40.319 --> 01:39:48.319
And like people are like, uh uh they're arguing uh with uh Miriam Webster.
01:39:48.560 --> 01:39:50.079
It's like, what are you talking about?
01:39:50.159 --> 01:39:51.199
Who what's your source?
01:39:51.279 --> 01:39:53.359
And it's like us, us.
01:39:55.199 --> 01:40:02.399
We're literally the source on Word Social Media Manager for the dictionary company.
01:40:02.640 --> 01:40:04.800
Like it look it up, it's there.
01:40:05.279 --> 01:40:10.720
And by the way, we are right next to the door to Roger, so like don't even get me started on thesauruses.
01:40:12.159 --> 01:40:14.079
I mean, you want me to say it in another way?
01:40:14.159 --> 01:40:15.359
I'll just go get Roger over here.
01:40:16.399 --> 01:40:18.640
Let me roll with my boy Roger on this one.
01:40:18.880 --> 01:40:22.960
Uh, but like someone was arguing that the meanings of words don't change.
01:40:23.039 --> 01:40:25.760
It's like, yeah, yeah, they do, they do.
01:40:26.319 --> 01:40:29.600
Uh, so we're in a game, we're in a we're in a flux situation.
01:40:30.239 --> 01:40:38.720
Start using the word ris in front of someone that thinks words don't change and watch how fast they were like, oh, someone, you know.
01:40:38.880 --> 01:40:47.119
I think it I think it might have been you, Christian, but someone recently told me that one of my favorite words to use to mean like something's a fun time, but not too deep.
01:40:47.279 --> 01:40:49.119
Uh Bop is what I call that.
01:40:49.199 --> 01:40:53.760
Like if this movie was a bop, means that it's somebody that sleeps around.
01:40:53.920 --> 01:40:55.119
Like, I do not know.
01:40:55.439 --> 01:40:56.880
Oh, I thought it was someone who was hot.
01:40:56.960 --> 01:40:58.560
I thought Bop was like you were hot.
01:40:58.880 --> 01:40:59.600
I'll go with that.
01:40:59.760 --> 01:41:01.520
I'll go with someone being hot being a bop.
01:41:01.840 --> 01:41:10.479
I'm sure maybe there's a way you could spin that into you know, a thought type of category or or something, some kind of slang like that.
01:41:10.720 --> 01:41:17.359
But like I mean, especially now that I work at like a dental lab with adults that are only aging forwards.
01:41:17.600 --> 01:41:26.720
Uh I'm not we're not getting like an influx of a new teen every you know six months so that I can learn how slang is like I am gonna fall off the wagon.
01:41:26.880 --> 01:41:28.399
Like it is hard.
01:41:28.720 --> 01:41:33.359
If I get a youth in my area, I ask them what words they're saying.
01:41:33.520 --> 01:41:39.279
I used to ask my daughter, you know, like once a quarter to keep me up on whatever slang, but she's not a youth anymore.
01:41:39.359 --> 01:41:40.560
I gotta find new youths.
01:41:40.640 --> 01:41:42.880
Now I have a couple of twins that I ask pretty regularly.
01:41:43.119 --> 01:41:52.159
I I heard the six seven thing and I I got real scared because I was just like, ah, it's because I think like six seven is like a it's like a nihilistic phrase.
01:41:52.399 --> 01:41:55.199
It like inherently doesn't mean anything.
01:41:55.279 --> 01:41:56.720
It means like, eh, whatever.
01:41:56.960 --> 01:41:59.600
It literally means I think whatever.
01:42:00.239 --> 01:42:17.439
And also it's like cryptic enough that it pisses off uh what I would call, you're like in the way that there are true bugs, true adults, which when you reach 37 uh and above, is like that's when like your ears just sort of close off to the idea of of slang, I think, in a major way.
01:42:17.680 --> 01:42:18.159
Nothing.
01:42:18.319 --> 01:42:23.920
And like not, but like there's a there's a point at which you like I said, you slip off the wagon.
01:42:24.239 --> 01:42:31.279
It's longer for some of us, but uh, but like we're we're not even like you're seeking it out.
01:42:31.520 --> 01:42:32.960
Yes, I actively seek it out.
01:42:33.119 --> 01:42:33.359
I know.
01:42:33.600 --> 01:42:39.039
Maybe I don't know what the age of the people you're teaching is, but like I know that I'm now I'm done.
01:42:39.199 --> 01:42:41.359
I'm what they call cooked, I'm an unk.
01:42:41.680 --> 01:42:42.479
Uh for sure.
01:42:42.880 --> 01:42:44.079
You're cooked, unk.
01:42:44.319 --> 01:42:51.039
And and so like, but the six seven, uh the six seven is like them inventing a slang thing that just like fucks with adults.
01:42:51.279 --> 01:42:52.960
Yeah, that's was that's exactly it.
01:42:53.199 --> 01:42:56.560
And it's it's like the one that's beautiful, but two, I'm an adult.
01:42:56.720 --> 01:42:58.079
I just wanted to talk.
01:42:58.319 --> 01:43:07.760
I didn't want to like menace you in any way, you know, my uh friend's cousin at his sister's birthday party or whatever.
01:43:08.479 --> 01:43:09.279
I don't know.
01:43:09.520 --> 01:43:10.079
Sorry.
01:43:10.239 --> 01:43:15.520
I got I got roasted because uh to as a joke, I sent the full video of something.
01:43:15.760 --> 01:43:24.239
Like that was the title of you know, the title was the bit we we I was talking about, and the person sent back the first was AT, a former co-worker.
01:43:24.479 --> 01:43:29.199
And uh he was like, dude, the whole video is crazy.
01:43:30.399 --> 01:43:35.439
Meaning, meaning like, meaning like, why didn't you send this as like a four-second TikTok clip?
01:43:35.680 --> 01:43:38.800
You sent the entire two and a half minute video.
01:43:39.119 --> 01:43:41.039
One of that's that's long.
01:43:41.359 --> 01:43:57.039
One of my favorite I I I exchange TikToks with uh Mickey's youngest son pretty regularly, and one of my favorite things to do is to send him a very long TikTok that's ridiculous all the way through, like it's worth sending just to see how much of it he makes it through.
01:43:57.119 --> 01:44:01.039
And he's he's honestly pretty good about it, but he's barely a youth anymore either.
01:44:01.279 --> 01:44:08.560
Yeah, I'm trying to rage against the dying of my attention span here, and I just I I've never downloaded TikTok.
01:44:08.720 --> 01:44:20.560
I've known people that have like shown me TikToks and shown me the interface for TikTok, which I'm like, no, uh, but but I I mostly I say no because I know what this is, it's a Christian trap.
01:44:20.880 --> 01:44:26.640
You're gonna trap me, you're gonna get me on my phone, and you're gonna get me scrolling, and I'm not gonna be able to stop.
01:44:26.720 --> 01:44:29.439
And I'm just I actually want longer videos.
01:44:29.600 --> 01:44:36.560
I need a 20, like a five-hour video, exhaustive breakdown on something that someone made.
01:44:36.800 --> 01:44:39.600
It can be a bunch of videos mashed together, but longer.
01:44:39.920 --> 01:44:49.039
I can't do yeah, I I I'm just wondering what happened to the good old 1950s three, three, three and a half minutes.
01:44:49.279 --> 01:44:59.760
Like you know, they they they were like songs are three and a half minutes because that's that's where we sit, and then you know, the YouTube videos of three and a half minutes were like right there.
01:44:59.840 --> 01:45:03.119
It's like all right, perfect to share in a group, yeah.
01:45:03.199 --> 01:45:06.720
Epic Rap Battles, yes, yes, yeah, for sure.
01:45:06.880 --> 01:45:16.880
And then it's like uh you know, then I saw us TikToks of like 10 second versions of that, and I'm like, you're missing all of it.
01:45:17.039 --> 01:45:43.439
Like, you yes, that one line is a banger, but you're missing the whole context of how we got there, and you know, and I I literally sent Logan a 10-minute TikTok video the other day that was just like this group of boys who made like really good production value, 10-minute movie of them just getting into increasingly ridiculous, surreal situations, and it's honestly a masterpiece.
01:45:43.520 --> 01:45:49.039
Like, there's some good work being done that's not getting seen by people, and it makes me very sad.
01:45:50.560 --> 01:46:06.399
Yeah, it it the the nature, and I think this like you can put this in any episode of ours that we've done, but it's like the nature of of like humans to sort of like take like oh, what do you like?
01:46:06.640 --> 01:46:08.159
Images, all right, cool.
01:46:08.319 --> 01:46:15.279
Well, we're gonna make moving images, you know, and that's gonna be like what everybody's now nobody can look at a still image.
01:46:15.520 --> 01:46:15.920
Thanks.
01:46:16.079 --> 01:46:18.079
Like, nobody's gonna ever enjoy that again.
01:46:18.239 --> 01:46:19.520
And like now, it's like, what do you like?
01:46:19.680 --> 01:46:20.079
Videos?
01:46:20.159 --> 01:46:20.479
Cool.
01:46:20.560 --> 01:46:25.840
Here's like a four and a half second video of just the thing, just the focal point.
01:46:26.399 --> 01:46:30.079
It's like I have to watch 20 minutes of ads just to get to your four-second video.
01:46:30.399 --> 01:46:30.880
No, thank you.
01:46:30.960 --> 01:46:32.640
I don't want ads, yeah.
01:46:32.720 --> 01:46:34.560
YouTube shorts piss me off.
01:46:34.880 --> 01:46:39.680
But I do uh I did earn credit, I guess, uh the other day.
01:46:39.840 --> 01:46:51.760
Uh something came up, and it's like, oh, the measurements like six or seven, and uh the kid like six, seven, and I was like, hey, and they're like, oh he's cool.
01:46:52.239 --> 01:46:53.279
I don't know.
01:46:53.439 --> 01:46:55.439
I just I've heard it before.
01:46:55.600 --> 01:47:00.960
Um Mickey, when you're doing your research on indigo, did you uncover the ties to South Carolina?
01:47:01.760 --> 01:47:03.119
Uh no, I did not.
01:47:03.279 --> 01:47:04.079
I stopped.
01:47:04.239 --> 01:47:08.800
Uh how many how many times did you have to type minus girls into the stuff?
01:47:09.520 --> 01:47:19.439
Oh, speaking of which, yeah, uh bringing back the dictionary, uh, the indigo girls just flipped through the book, pointed at a word, and said, Oh, that sounds neat.
01:47:19.680 --> 01:47:21.279
Okay, that's how they got their name.
01:47:21.520 --> 01:47:22.720
I like that a lot.
01:47:22.960 --> 01:47:25.520
That's a great, that's a great genesis for a name.
01:47:25.680 --> 01:47:26.640
Don't think about it too much.
01:47:27.039 --> 01:47:27.600
Genesis.
01:47:27.760 --> 01:47:29.199
I see what you did there.
01:47:29.359 --> 01:47:30.000
Yeah.
01:47:30.399 --> 01:47:31.600
Oh, sorry.
01:47:31.840 --> 01:47:33.039
I'm not uh I'm not familiar.
01:47:33.199 --> 01:47:35.039
Is that a is that like an album of theirs?
01:47:35.279 --> 01:47:37.279
No, it's just another band, right?
01:47:37.439 --> 01:47:38.399
That's a band, right?
01:47:38.720 --> 01:47:40.000
No, that's Phil Collins's band.
01:47:41.439 --> 01:47:47.520
Didn't know if he was I'm surprised someone hasn't came up with a band called Phil Collins's band.
01:47:48.800 --> 01:47:54.079
Just because we're in that uh you know, pop will eat itself uh era of Capitol.
01:47:54.479 --> 01:47:57.680
Yeah, the band, the show, the movie, or whatever.
01:47:57.920 --> 01:47:58.560
I gotta see that.
01:47:58.640 --> 01:47:59.439
I heard that was so good.
01:47:59.760 --> 01:48:01.840
Well, like the Eagles of Death Metal.
01:48:02.159 --> 01:48:02.720
Yeah, yeah.
01:48:02.800 --> 01:48:04.880
Yes, fantastic name.
01:48:04.960 --> 01:48:06.479
Uh, you're you're Spotify Jackie?
01:48:06.800 --> 01:48:08.800
Thinks I love Phil Collins for some reason.
01:48:08.880 --> 01:48:11.439
Every week on my release radar, there's a Phil Collins song.
01:48:11.600 --> 01:48:17.279
I couldn't the only time I listen to Phil Collins is when it's on my release radar, so I don't know why it thinks I love him.
01:48:17.520 --> 01:48:19.920
Or when I'm when I'm watching the movie Tarzan.
01:48:22.079 --> 01:48:24.960
I mean, you know, it was mic to drums or something else.
01:48:25.279 --> 01:48:26.720
What about South Carolina?
01:48:26.960 --> 01:48:44.800
So um back in in the 18th century, um plantations in South Carolina were one of the biggest providers of indigo dye in the world, like back when the the uh British uh royalty folks were into using it.
01:48:45.039 --> 01:48:53.039
Yeah, um there's a whole book written about it called Red, White, and Black Make Blue about like the whole that whole time period.
01:48:53.199 --> 01:49:15.760
Um, and it sounds really interesting because she's got it uh organized thematically rather than chronologically, which really works well for my brain, like like being uh pushed together with like like uh the first chapter is analyzing a London's dyer shop to like exploring the connections between conquest and trade that sh that like basically shaped British industrialization.
01:49:15.920 --> 01:49:17.199
So I don't know, it sounds neat.
01:49:17.359 --> 01:49:19.039
South Carolina's involved.
01:49:19.279 --> 01:49:20.239
That's that's it.
01:49:20.399 --> 01:49:21.600
I didn't do a lot of research.
01:49:21.680 --> 01:49:23.920
I just recently found out about it like five minutes ago.
01:49:24.159 --> 01:49:28.079
Also, what I'm learning is like just about everything is like, is it a product?
01:49:28.239 --> 01:49:29.439
Is it in front of you?
01:49:29.920 --> 01:49:32.000
I got bad news for how it was made.
01:49:32.880 --> 01:49:36.880
I got some real bad news, like yeah, this wire, this microphone, this computer.
01:49:37.039 --> 01:49:43.039
Yeah, being the curious person that I am and digging in.
01:49:43.119 --> 01:49:59.199
Uh like at one point, I was just completely oblivious and ignorant, and just going about doing my thing and in excited about uh technology and whatnot, and then having my job shipped over to uh the far east.
01:49:59.359 --> 01:50:05.680
Uh Started questioning things and and where who's making this and what are the conditions of the people making it.
01:50:05.760 --> 01:50:08.720
It's like, okay, I'm not getting paid that much.
01:50:08.880 --> 01:50:15.039
I'm getting paid a good salary, but in the grand scheme of things, it's fairly cheap for to for my labor.
01:50:15.439 --> 01:50:19.199
So for them to ship it overseas, what are they paying those people?
01:50:19.359 --> 01:50:21.520
And those people are getting paid a lot less.
01:50:21.680 --> 01:50:25.359
And and it's like, okay, so where is the money going?
01:50:25.600 --> 01:50:34.720
It's not going back into anything else, other than a few people owning profits, and then it slowly pushes me.
01:50:34.800 --> 01:50:41.520
It's like there's a huge bubble between me and wanting to participate in any kind of market situation.
01:50:41.600 --> 01:50:51.600
And I it's like sometimes I'll just for I will forgo buying something that I want simply because I don't want to do the research because it makes me sad.
01:50:51.680 --> 01:50:53.359
Sometimes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:50:53.760 --> 01:51:02.560
It's like, oh then it's like you try to talk about it to someone, and then they're like, Well, no, you don't understand it's actually fair because they made the abattoir that all those pigs are walking into.
01:51:02.720 --> 01:51:06.159
Like, yeah, what you're on that guy's side?
01:51:06.319 --> 01:51:07.680
That's crazy.
01:51:08.239 --> 01:51:10.319
Oh, Mickey, I have uh oh, go ahead.
01:51:10.479 --> 01:51:11.039
Yeah, go ahead.
01:51:11.359 --> 01:51:26.640
I have a question that I when I was when we were talking, I continually do a research, and one of the things I came across is um that indigo and some of its derivatives are known to be ambipolar organic semiconductors.
01:51:26.960 --> 01:51:27.680
Period.
01:51:28.239 --> 01:51:29.199
That's a fact.
01:51:29.600 --> 01:51:35.840
And then it says they're semiconductors when deposited as a thin film by vacuum evaporation.
01:51:35.920 --> 01:51:37.600
And what does that all mean?
01:51:38.000 --> 01:51:38.399
All right.
01:51:39.119 --> 01:51:40.479
Say the phrase again.
01:51:41.760 --> 01:51:44.319
Ambipolar organic semiconductors.
01:51:45.920 --> 01:51:49.039
Organic semiconductor.
01:51:49.760 --> 01:51:52.960
I'm guessing that means they can go either way, the the ambipolar.
01:51:53.279 --> 01:51:54.800
Yeah, it's like using either hand.
01:51:55.199 --> 01:52:00.079
They they semiconduct in like a non, I guess, in in any direction.
01:52:00.319 --> 01:52:03.359
There's no specific direction related to like the structure.
01:52:03.760 --> 01:52:07.520
Uh yeah, so electric flow is is all right.
01:52:07.760 --> 01:52:22.640
So in copper, uh, there is uh the outer electron the outer shell where the electrons live is called the valid shell.
01:52:22.960 --> 01:52:28.880
And in the outer shell, it wants to basically reach stasis.
01:52:29.119 --> 01:52:35.199
And uh like each each level has a different number that it wants.
01:52:35.279 --> 01:52:41.199
So, like in in hydrogen, it has uh one electron, and the outer shell wants two.
01:52:41.520 --> 01:52:52.239
Helium is a noble gas, it is stable because it wants two electrons, it's got two electrons, and it's just single uh helium atoms bouncing around.
01:52:52.479 --> 01:53:03.119
Hydrogen, and so oxygen has an outer shell that is almost full, so it wants to bring in electron, or it wants to bring an electron in.
01:53:04.000 --> 01:53:12.960
And uh hydrogen is right in the middle because it wants one, it got two, or it wants two, it has one, so it shares those electrons.
01:53:13.039 --> 01:53:20.640
So you get a bonding, so you get H2O, two hydrogen, one oxygen, because the oxygen needs two electrons.
01:53:21.039 --> 01:53:24.960
Carbon right down the middle, it wants eight, got four.
01:53:25.279 --> 01:53:30.880
So it lines up, has one above, one below, and one on either side, and they share.
01:53:30.960 --> 01:53:43.279
So they're pretending everyone's got eight, and they form a nice tight superbond, and that's where you get charcoal and you get carbon and you get uh diamonds and stuff.
01:53:43.359 --> 01:53:48.479
The the the crystalline structure of all of that also has to do with reactivity, right?
01:53:48.640 --> 01:53:51.520
Like if it's if it's stable, it won't react as much.
01:53:51.840 --> 01:53:52.399
Exactly.
01:53:52.640 --> 01:54:17.520
So uh when you have a uh so organic material is carbon, and carb in this situation, uh the carbon will allow the flow of positive charge or negative charge, depending on which way it's being uh applied, where where you know depending on what's being what charge is being applied to it, it'll allow it to flow.
01:54:17.680 --> 01:54:40.079
A semiconductor usually allows flow in one direction because they they take silicone, which is uh doesn't allow electron flow, and they embed it with uh materials that kind of given enough electric charge, those that material will line up and then allow the uh path for electrons to flow or either in or out.
01:54:40.479 --> 01:55:12.079
Um and in order to create a semiconductor, we used like 10 uh it was like a hundred thousand volts to create a plasma gun and then shoot the plasma gun across the room to embed either phosphorus or arsenic or other materials into silicon in order to line this up, with it being a naturally occurring uh organic material, it's just it's kind of like electricity happens in a lot of different ways.
01:55:12.239 --> 01:55:24.159
Like if you take a uh a glass rod and rub it on silk, it builds up an electric charge because blue on your head, blue it on your head, it's just the movement of electrons and storing up.
01:55:24.399 --> 01:55:34.399
So, in certain car in certain organic materials, you're just gonna get an alignment of electrons, and then as soon as you give it a path, the electrons are gonna start to move.
01:55:34.960 --> 01:55:35.199
Okay.
01:55:35.600 --> 01:55:54.000
Um I could give a big long lecture later on what's the study and dive into it, but it's it almost sounds like though that you could like you could put this as like a very thin layer, yes, it between something, and it would like conduct like maybe like a phone screen or something.
01:55:54.239 --> 01:55:56.560
Yeah, like some kind of touch screen that yeah.
01:55:56.960 --> 01:56:06.640
And basically you take one, uh like you you process one material and it's got extra electrons, and then you process another material and it's stripped of electrons.
01:56:06.800 --> 01:56:15.039
So then you put one on top of the other, and the electrons are gonna go want to basically equilibrium.
01:56:15.279 --> 01:56:27.039
So it's gonna go from where, hey, we have a bunch of electrons sitting here in this layer of organic material, dropping it down to this other layer of organic material, which is devoid of electrons.
01:56:27.199 --> 01:56:39.199
So then you start getting that electron flow, and then you create you basically control the gap in between on you know, in one form or another, and that's how you allow stuff to flow.
01:56:39.600 --> 01:56:41.760
Okay, and that's how your phone works.
01:56:42.000 --> 01:56:44.319
So all right.
01:56:44.399 --> 01:56:48.640
I have like a question and a little not really a quiz, but kind of like a fun thing.
01:56:48.880 --> 01:56:49.199
Uh huh.
01:56:49.439 --> 01:56:53.600
What year do you think indigo was added to the Crayola crayon box?
01:56:56.479 --> 01:56:58.239
Um, let me see.
01:56:58.720 --> 01:57:04.960
Before it was eight, so that would be six colors and black and white crayon.
01:57:06.479 --> 01:57:08.880
So 1978.
01:57:09.840 --> 01:57:10.319
Good guess.
01:57:10.560 --> 01:57:10.880
I don't know.
01:57:10.960 --> 01:57:12.560
It could go either way.
01:57:12.880 --> 01:57:17.600
Uh, because I know at one point they started getting really weird and adding a bunch of stuff.
01:57:17.760 --> 01:57:21.199
Uh I'm a 64 color box man myself, yeah.
01:57:21.439 --> 01:57:23.439
Yeah, so I don't know.
01:57:23.520 --> 01:57:25.279
I'd say 98.
01:57:25.760 --> 01:57:28.319
Oh, you are off by one year, 1999.
01:57:28.640 --> 01:57:29.520
Wow, that's late.
01:57:29.760 --> 01:57:36.800
Okay, now I'm gonna tell you like eight box, sixteen box, twenty-four, all, all, all, and you tell me if indigo is in it, yes or no.
01:57:37.760 --> 01:57:39.359
Eight crayon box, yes or no?
01:57:39.600 --> 01:57:39.920
No way.
01:57:40.159 --> 01:57:40.800
I'd say no.
01:57:40.960 --> 01:57:41.279
Okay.
01:57:41.680 --> 01:57:43.039
16 box.
01:57:44.880 --> 01:57:46.720
I think it's still gonna leave it out.
01:57:47.119 --> 01:57:48.720
Okay, Christian's a no.
01:57:51.439 --> 01:57:51.760
No.
01:57:52.239 --> 01:57:53.439
You're right, it is a no.
01:57:53.600 --> 01:57:54.800
24 box.
01:57:55.119 --> 01:57:57.439
I feel like this is where you start to get your primo.
01:57:58.079 --> 01:57:59.199
I'm gonna say yes.
01:58:00.479 --> 01:58:01.840
Did you say no, Mickey?
01:58:02.079 --> 01:58:03.439
I'm gonna say no on that one.
01:58:03.680 --> 01:58:04.880
Yes, 24.
01:58:05.199 --> 01:58:05.520
Oh.
01:58:05.840 --> 01:58:06.800
32.
01:58:10.000 --> 01:58:11.359
Not necessarily, not necessarily.
01:58:11.760 --> 01:58:12.560
I'm gonna say they forgot.
01:58:13.039 --> 01:58:14.239
This is fucking up my brain.
01:58:14.479 --> 01:58:15.279
Not necessarily.
01:58:15.439 --> 01:58:16.880
32, yes or no?
01:58:17.199 --> 01:58:17.520
No.
01:58:17.840 --> 01:58:19.520
I'm saying on your trickery.
01:58:19.840 --> 01:58:21.039
Yes, 32, yes.
01:58:21.840 --> 01:58:22.479
Come on.
01:58:22.800 --> 01:58:24.000
48, yes or no.
01:58:24.239 --> 01:58:25.439
Oh, 48, fuck.
01:58:25.680 --> 01:58:27.199
I'm gonna stay with no.
01:58:27.600 --> 01:58:31.600
I'm gonna say what happened to indigo and they put it back in.
01:58:32.399 --> 01:58:34.399
Uh 48 is a yes.
01:58:35.920 --> 01:58:37.760
64, yes or no.
01:58:40.239 --> 01:58:44.560
64 is sponsored by Mary Kay, so I'm thinking that instead of indigo, it was some other thing.
01:58:44.800 --> 01:58:46.319
I'm holding my ground with a no.
01:58:46.479 --> 01:58:47.119
It is a no.
01:58:47.279 --> 01:58:48.560
64 is a no.
01:58:48.880 --> 01:58:49.359
Wild.
01:58:50.000 --> 01:58:51.439
Why would you think it out of the 64?
01:58:51.840 --> 01:58:52.479
Yeah, that's yeah.
01:58:52.720 --> 01:58:57.680
I get I bet you that they were having the argument version of this episode of the podcast.
01:58:57.760 --> 01:58:58.800
Yeah, is what was happening.
01:58:59.279 --> 01:59:01.359
It's like 24 to 48, yes.
01:59:01.520 --> 01:59:04.399
64, no, 96 and 120, yes.
01:59:04.640 --> 01:59:08.560
Well, at 96, you gotta, you're like, what else do we have?
01:59:08.880 --> 01:59:11.520
I've got pink and hot pink, you know.
01:59:12.479 --> 01:59:16.079
I mean, if we're gonna put four, it's green, and now we have to include indigo.
01:59:16.960 --> 01:59:18.000
Vanta black.
01:59:18.159 --> 01:59:20.000
Did a Vanta Black crayon.
01:59:20.159 --> 01:59:24.560
There's a color called Bluetiful, and like I don't know if I approve of that.
01:59:24.800 --> 01:59:30.479
Well, that was when they started that was the internet era of Crayola where they were 2017, yeah.
01:59:30.800 --> 01:59:33.039
Yeah, allowing people to send names.
01:59:33.359 --> 01:59:37.600
I really loved opening that the those bigger boxes of crayons and going like red, orange.
01:59:37.760 --> 01:59:46.239
Okay, I see what they're doing here, and then you would see orange red, and you'd be like, Oh whoa, there's way more colors than I thought.
01:59:46.960 --> 01:59:58.399
The way my brain operates, I hated crayons because I knew I loved a brand new box of crayons, but I knew that as soon as it touched paper, something bad was gonna happen.
01:59:58.640 --> 02:00:18.479
Either, either the the uh sweaty Bobby that was sitting next to me would grab it and like you know when they grab it with their fist and they colour instead of holding it like any kind of instrument, yeah, and they would use it all up, and you'd have to peel, and it was just down to nubs everywhere.
02:00:18.640 --> 02:00:28.000
Or they did not think about the extended use, those crayons are so long for how much they're gonna actually be able to be used.
02:00:28.159 --> 02:00:28.640
Oh, yeah.
02:00:29.840 --> 02:00:37.039
It's not like you could you couldn't you could sharpen them, but I think you needed like a special sharpener because they're made of fucking wax.
02:00:37.199 --> 02:00:38.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:00:38.239 --> 02:00:43.279
Yeah, ruin a regular pencil sharpener, no one else would be able to use it to sharpen pencils or crayons.
02:00:43.359 --> 02:00:46.159
So back in our day, they did have them.
02:00:46.239 --> 02:00:50.720
They we did like there were the boxes of 96 came with the sharpener at the bottom.
02:00:50.880 --> 02:00:56.239
Uh, one of y'all like threw it up in the air once and hit another kid, and then they took those out of the boxes or something.
02:00:56.560 --> 02:00:57.279
Yeah, probably.
02:00:57.439 --> 02:01:00.640
As always happens in 1994.
02:01:00.720 --> 02:01:07.600
Crayola made magic scent crayons, and that sounds like a nightmare to me because scented markers, you got the caps.
02:01:08.319 --> 02:01:10.960
Crayons, you just got a box of smells that you open up.
02:01:11.119 --> 02:01:11.840
That's awful.
02:01:12.079 --> 02:01:16.319
You know what's really, really funny about that is that that is just candles.
02:01:17.520 --> 02:01:18.319
That's all that is.
02:01:18.399 --> 02:01:20.640
You're just drawing with candles at that point.
02:01:21.039 --> 02:01:32.479
That's I like to think that there's the there's like the rooms, and it's the cradle of crayons in one room, and then the the candles in the other, and there's a horrible mix-up.
02:01:32.640 --> 02:01:35.439
And they're like, whatever, we're just gonna roll with it.
02:01:35.760 --> 02:01:41.840
The color, the color apricot smells like lumber instead of smelling like the fruit it's named after.
02:01:42.079 --> 02:01:44.000
What if they all smell like lumber?
02:01:45.119 --> 02:01:46.000
That's the hack.
02:01:46.159 --> 02:01:49.760
They actually just all smell like wax from a factory.
02:01:50.079 --> 02:01:56.720
White smells like baby powder, and black smells like either licorice or leather jacket.
02:01:56.800 --> 02:01:59.119
This sounds like a nightmare box of crayons.
02:01:59.680 --> 02:02:01.760
They just rubbed whatever they had on them against the baby.
02:02:02.159 --> 02:02:04.560
Violet smells like grape instead of violets.
02:02:04.800 --> 02:02:06.079
Like, what is wrong with people?
02:02:06.239 --> 02:02:09.920
Lilac smells like wait, no, wisteria smells like lilac.
02:02:10.640 --> 02:02:13.520
This is madness, and I don't like it.
02:02:14.319 --> 02:02:15.680
It is really bothering me.
02:02:16.239 --> 02:02:20.159
This is how they discovered autism with the magic smell crayons.
02:02:20.399 --> 02:02:26.319
No, there's another set called the color and smell crayons where brick red smells like earthworms.
02:02:28.159 --> 02:02:31.199
Orange smells like grandma's perfume.
02:02:33.199 --> 02:02:34.880
Uh what?
02:02:35.359 --> 02:02:36.960
This is a nightmare.
02:02:37.199 --> 02:02:37.439
Black.
02:02:38.319 --> 02:02:40.800
You know, all your favorite kid scents.
02:02:43.600 --> 02:02:46.319
Jungle green smells like koala tree.
02:02:46.479 --> 02:02:48.239
What the fuck is a koala tree?
02:02:48.479 --> 02:02:50.239
Let's go.
02:02:52.479 --> 02:02:56.960
Also, just put eucalyptus in it, like koala tree.
02:02:57.199 --> 02:03:01.439
Oh sorry, kids aren't ready to learn about eucalyptus.
02:03:01.840 --> 02:03:05.279
The dandelion smells like watch the dog.
02:03:06.079 --> 02:03:08.479
Who wants to smell watch the dog?
02:03:09.119 --> 02:03:13.039
It's like soap with like just the merest hint of smelly animal.
02:03:13.199 --> 02:03:15.600
Just the just the after notes.
02:03:16.399 --> 02:03:17.520
This is blowing my mind.
02:03:19.199 --> 02:03:22.159
No, I didn't know it was this bad over in the scented crayons.
02:03:22.399 --> 02:03:24.399
I'm afraid like I'm still scrolling.
02:03:24.479 --> 02:03:26.560
I'm afraid there's gonna be more scented crayons.
02:03:26.880 --> 02:03:28.079
Did they discontinue these?
02:03:28.239 --> 02:03:32.560
Because they by by the justice of God almighty, they they should have.
02:03:32.800 --> 02:03:34.000
It looks like yes.
02:03:34.239 --> 02:03:34.560
Okay.
02:03:35.039 --> 02:03:36.399
Yo, here's another one.
02:03:36.560 --> 02:03:38.239
Silly scents crayons.
02:03:39.359 --> 02:03:41.039
Okay, at least this is silly though.
02:03:41.119 --> 02:03:42.399
They did warn you.
02:03:42.640 --> 02:03:46.800
Well, what's so silly about gray smelling like mother's tomb?
02:03:47.600 --> 02:03:48.560
I'm sorry.
02:03:48.960 --> 02:03:51.119
That's a little sillier than I was ready for.
02:03:51.359 --> 02:03:54.640
Yeah, that's MA Spider-Man 400.
02:03:55.439 --> 02:04:00.640
What's so silly about yellow green smelling like alien armpit?
02:04:01.119 --> 02:04:02.319
Okay, that at least.
02:04:02.479 --> 02:04:04.399
That's that one.
02:04:04.479 --> 02:04:08.159
I'm like, okay, now we're back on like Nickelodeon's gack level of stuff.
02:04:08.640 --> 02:04:10.479
Mother's tomb is a bit much.
02:04:11.119 --> 02:04:12.000
I cannot.
02:04:12.159 --> 02:04:16.479
It mother's tomb as is it for real?
02:04:16.720 --> 02:04:18.239
Okay, that's the end of the crayon list.
02:04:18.399 --> 02:04:19.920
I'm closing that tab forever.
02:04:20.159 --> 02:04:36.000
I I will point out that there is a uh a painter in the United States named Steve Bushimi, not the actor, who has uh paintings that are working from deep indigo grounds.
02:04:36.159 --> 02:04:44.239
He removes pigment rather than building it up, allowing figures to slowly emerge through airbrushed acrylic and minimal brush work.
02:04:44.479 --> 02:04:46.239
So subtractive painting.
02:04:46.399 --> 02:04:47.359
I love that.
02:04:47.760 --> 02:04:49.279
Uh so we make that connection.
02:04:49.359 --> 02:04:50.239
We've been through Rome.
02:04:50.319 --> 02:04:56.319
Uh, we added Gandhi to our list, uh, more Stevery, uh, added some Afghans.
02:04:56.560 --> 02:05:15.840
Uh we've been through a whole lot of Romans, we added some Greek stuff, but uh yeah, indigo uh has had several proponents over the years, and um, you know, it's had a lot of people pushing its way up, and now they're it is fighting a deluge of anti-Indigo folk.
02:05:16.159 --> 02:05:25.119
My suggestion would be to increase and add more to the rainbow uh instead of trying to have a VIP section for colors.
02:05:25.760 --> 02:05:33.039
Because, you know, if you if you discriminate against colors, it's just going to end up bad uh for everybody.
02:05:33.279 --> 02:05:33.760
Agree.
02:05:33.920 --> 02:05:41.680
Well, it's it's wild because there were parts of this where what you what it sounded like you were describing was like three turns of the game civilization.
02:05:42.000 --> 02:05:42.319
Uh-huh.
02:05:42.640 --> 02:05:50.000
And it was like, oh, this was like people's like basically indentured servitude reality for like hundreds of years.
02:05:50.479 --> 02:05:52.479
And you're like, I'm sorry, it was over what?
02:05:52.720 --> 02:05:58.399
The little like the little like die pot, the little ink pot that on the map, on the hex map.
02:05:59.119 --> 02:06:00.159
That's what it was.
02:06:00.399 --> 02:06:03.680
That's what I was doing in the video game civilization.
02:06:04.000 --> 02:06:05.520
Like, oh no.
02:06:05.680 --> 02:06:06.479
I've been doing this.
02:06:08.640 --> 02:06:12.560
Indigo, indigo is also how Blackbeard kept his beard black.
02:06:12.960 --> 02:06:14.239
Oh, fellas.
02:06:14.720 --> 02:06:16.159
Also from South Carolina.
02:06:16.399 --> 02:06:16.960
Oh wow.
02:06:17.920 --> 02:06:18.239
Man.
02:06:18.960 --> 02:06:19.600
All right.
02:06:19.760 --> 02:06:22.720
So I I think we I think we covered the question.
02:06:23.199 --> 02:06:24.319
I think we nailed it.
02:06:24.560 --> 02:06:27.439
It wasn't just a who, it was whom's.
02:06:28.479 --> 02:06:35.039
It was whom's and it was it was also a bit of the old uh oh, we have a new word for this thing.
02:06:35.199 --> 02:06:41.600
Yeah, we Shakespeare came along, and we've we now we know how to describe it.
02:06:42.079 --> 02:06:47.600
Also, one one more fun fact indigo represents your third eye chakra in your brain.
02:06:47.760 --> 02:06:49.199
So that's interesting to me, too.
02:06:49.439 --> 02:06:50.079
I can see that.
02:06:50.239 --> 02:06:51.600
It is the color of heaven.
02:06:51.760 --> 02:06:57.119
They got their own uh lanterns, colored colored lanterns in the DC universe.
02:06:57.199 --> 02:07:00.800
So like I said, you know, they have they keep on, they have staying power.
02:07:00.880 --> 02:07:02.079
Indigo has staying power.
02:07:02.239 --> 02:07:03.520
I'm on team indigo.
02:07:04.000 --> 02:07:04.319
All right.
02:07:04.479 --> 02:07:07.119
If you have a question, uh contact Jackie.
02:07:07.359 --> 02:07:10.880
Uh you can email her, Jackie at valleyofo.com.
02:07:11.039 --> 02:07:11.439
That's me.
02:07:11.520 --> 02:07:13.279
It's Jackie with an I, no E.
02:07:13.760 --> 02:07:19.920
J A C K I at symbolvalleyofo.com.
02:07:20.239 --> 02:07:20.479
Yes.
02:07:20.640 --> 02:07:28.239
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02:07:28.399 --> 02:07:36.640
Uh if you have uh curiosities, questions, if you want to sit in and talk with us about something you're passionate about, let us know.
02:07:36.800 --> 02:07:39.119
We'll uh we'll consider it.
02:07:39.199 --> 02:07:41.520
You know, we're not just gonna let any idiot in.
02:07:41.680 --> 02:07:46.880
Um, I mean, you know, the bar is pretty low, but you know, we're not gonna let every idiot in.
02:07:47.119 --> 02:07:48.239
Yeah, if that's really important.
02:07:49.439 --> 02:07:51.840
We're selective about the idiots we invite in.
02:07:52.000 --> 02:07:56.079
Yeah, that's and we will be back next week.
02:07:56.239 --> 02:07:58.720
Uh, we're gonna answer another question.
02:07:58.960 --> 02:08:00.079
Do you want to know what it is?
02:08:00.159 --> 02:08:00.960
It's a long one.
02:08:01.119 --> 02:08:02.640
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
02:08:04.560 --> 02:08:10.479
How much do you miss looking through the TV guide and reading it cover to cover and doing the puzzles and highlighting things?
02:08:10.560 --> 02:08:13.119
Is there anything comparable to that today?
02:08:14.399 --> 02:08:19.119
This is gonna be a talking.
02:08:19.520 --> 02:08:20.960
I fucking love the TV guide.
02:08:21.039 --> 02:08:22.079
I'm so excited.
02:08:22.319 --> 02:08:22.960
Yeah.
02:08:24.079 --> 02:08:24.640
All right.
02:08:24.800 --> 02:08:31.039
Well, thank you for joining us on this journey, and we will be back with another journey next week.
02:08:31.920 --> 02:08:32.880
Okay, bye.
02:08:33.920 --> 02:08:35.840
No, it was nothing.
