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How are you, Eddie, it's been a while.
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Yeah, it has been a while. I'm going pretty well.
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I also wanted to say hello to some of our
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new listeners. Weirdly, we seem to have some Americans, so
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I'm not sure if they're expats or just interested people,
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but hello, it's nice that you're listening. And this one
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certainly for the whole world. A lot of this stuff
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went on in America, specifically, La seemed to be rock
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star central.
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During the week I read the rock star self Help
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God Wisdom from her Golden Age. I've got to right
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in front of me Now. I've always loved the idea
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of her self help guide for rock stars. But Greg,
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where do you get the idea for this?
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Well, in truth, it's not really for rock stars, because
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they're the ones that have created the guide in a way,
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although you know some of them could take note that
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it'd be great if it caught on. Really, the genesis
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of it was I was trying to write a self
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help book, believe it or not, I just wanted to
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have it go. It's an interesting genre. I struggled with
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the number of different versions, and meanwhile I was reading
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a lot of rock biographies which I find quite therapeutical.
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They're kind of biblical to me. Now, ones like the
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Beatles and the Stones. They began in this year and
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this and this legendary act happened, and yeah, I find
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it soothing. Anyway, I was reading a lot, and somehow
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the two combined to I started to think about what
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these people did.
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Most of them are from the sixties and the seventies,
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and while I was reading the book, I just thought, well,
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there's no real guide to becoming a rock star.
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Now.
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I know that you said that this is a book
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for not so much for rock stars, it's for everyone else,
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But there was just no god for being a rock
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star or how you meant to behave in public. And
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it seems like most of them, like Paul McCartney or
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Roger Dolshy, they seem to want to be like everybody else.
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They just wanted to have a quiet time like living
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the mullikin tire or live on a farm engrossing organic
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fruit and vege. And to me, it seems like the
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rock stars of today they probably do want to be
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like everyone else. They just want to be like normal people.
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And they seem to have learned a lot from these
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previous starts, like I'm thinking of people like Taylor Swift
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or Lady Gaga Ed Sheeran, and I'm sure that they've
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got a lot of psychological issues and things going on
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that normal people like us Greek don't have, but they
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just seem to be more well balanced these days.
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Yeah, it was uncharted waters, I think because people got
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so famous, drugs came into the mix and it was just, yeah,
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it hadn't really been done before like that, so I
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think they have learned a bit. And you also can't
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get away with the behavior so much, so they're not
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allowed to do it. Really, Society kind of yeah clamps down,
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but good or bad.
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You've probably got enough money to employ your own psychiatrists,
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just like I think it was a Metallica that had
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their own psychiatrists as well. I don't know if any
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other bands have got their own psychiatrists as well, but
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it's almost like you've got money to do whatever you want,
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and sure the behavior might be different, but to me,
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it seems like because of what we've learned from the past,
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or what society in general has learned from the past,
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it's probably no wonder that the modern rock star just
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seems to be more balanced than in the past. What
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comes first? Is it the zany behavior or is it
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the fame itself? You know, Michael Jackson quite a bizarre
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character by the end of his life. Did that fame
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magnify something that was already there psychologically? Same with Elvis Presley,
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you know, sane, sweet person at that time in the
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late fifties and the early sixties, but then later on
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in life becomes this depressed, dysfunction person dies at the
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age of forty two. And if it wasn't for the fame, well,
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he just would have been some normal guy somewhere in Memphis,
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you know, probably stacking shows. But he wasn't that normal guy.
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He became famous.
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Yeah, I'll play a little bit of It's amazing just
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listening to some of these people because there's so many
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records of this stuff and YouTube, et cetera. They're just
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playing eternally.
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It's one of our hottest guys that's ever hit children's time. Elvis.
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It goes without saying that all of us to your
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dance party, appreciate very much you're taking time out today
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to come by and say hello to all of our
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friends that watch a dance party, and.
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Also the people who are with us here on.
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The floor today.
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And it's nice that you were able to spend these
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past few days at home. How is it if you've
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been at home for so many days in a role here?
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Well, it's it's the first time I've been off in months.
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I've been on the road, I've been I've been out
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on the West coast and everything, and I've decided i
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need a little rest.
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A few days off.
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Yeah, well, do you don't want to go too fast now?
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I'd like to say that I'm gonna enjoy I.
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Mean, I hear you know all these people.
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But we was certainly glad to have you here.
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That was we wanna ask you a few questions and uh,
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she she would, Here we go. Let's go back to
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the beginning, first of all, to uh your a quick
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rise to fame. First of all, how old were you
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when you first remember being attracted to music and singing?
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And well, how old were you? How'd you get started?
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And where'd you get that first guitar? And where'd you
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get just one uh h question?
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Let the start was the first questioning, And.
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Uh, okay, how old were you when you first when
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I first started?
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Uh singing. W Well, I never sung in my life
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until I made my first record, you know. Uh they
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uh uh I I never even thought of singing as
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a career.
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Uh.
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In fact, I uh I was ashamed of sing in
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front of anybody, I uh except my mother and daddy.
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And then all of a sudden, you started singing in
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front of people, and.
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I all, all of a sudden one day, I just
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got a sudden uh a er uh urged to go
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in this in this recording studio, which was mister uh
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Sam Phillips's Memphis Recording Service, and and uh and he
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told me that he might call me on time, and yeah,
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he called it.
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So he called me.
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It was a year and a half later.
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I was I was an man.
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He just sounds like an innocent who's having a great time, actually,
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And it's amazing to with so much history now to
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hear his actual voice recorded. Yeah, my dad had He
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was a fairly uncool young doctor, but he had a
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little collection of singles and in that was Elvis Presley
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baby Let's Playhouse, which I don't know how he got it.
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It was quite a rare record because it wasn't from
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when he got famous. But yeah, I used to listen
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to that and it's a fantastic record. It still sounds
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really good today, he said. It used to go off
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at the residence parties. That's a bunch of young doctors,
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like in the labor Ward Christmas.
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Where are you going to college?
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You may go to school.
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You may have a pig Cadillac.
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Don't you be old buddy?
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Coming back, come.
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Back you.
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Baby? What I am talking about?
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Come on back to me a little gross all the week.
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And play it's about come back, coming back baby, come
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back Bay.
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But the interesting thing is that my mother is in
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an h care home at the moment, but these are
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all the tracks that they play for the order people
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in those homes. So I'm just always thinking, well, who's
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actually got the issue that they need to deal with here?
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Is it the rock star, is it the creative person
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or is it the audience? Because there's no rock star
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without the audience, and just a little thing exactly.
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It's they're created by the society around them, I think.
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And those sixties seventies ones the world changed and people
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wanted a Keith Richards and he had to be that person,
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you know, druggy, sort of sexy and an outlaw kind
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of thing, and that's what we wanted. Apparently.
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Well, I think that I did, because I've got a
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little confession to make that when I was a teenager,
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like most teenagers, I guess I wanted to be a
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rock and roll star as well. And obviously, obviously I
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didn't make it, but you, Greg, you sort of made
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it on some level and did have some success with the.
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I didn't really, I'm but you're closer to being.
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A rock star than I am. But did that experience
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guide you somewhat?
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I think how to go? I think I called it
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a pyramid. If we talked about a pyramid, one of
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those Egyptian ones, I'd be maybe a couple of steps
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up and still there's a long way to the top there.
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But it's just a question of whether all of this
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is because we all want to be rock stars. And
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it's not the rock stars who need the soulf help.
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It's us as the audience. And we get that situation
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where in the book you talk about people like Paul
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McCartney and Roger Doltry just wanting to be a normal person.
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So they're the ones that want to be a normal person.
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We're the ones that want to be a rock star.
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But yeah, I think we all need this help and
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we all need the wisdom from this golden age.
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Yeah, they want to be a rock star first that
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they're very motivated people, so yeah, they get that, and
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then they want to be normal. But I don't think
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they want to not be a rock star. It's just like,
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please leave me alone to be sort of normal, but
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I am a rock star. You know it's confusing.
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Well, well, Greg, after all these years, do you still
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hope those ambitions of being a rock star, after you've
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had a tiny little bit of experience, after you've lived
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through the sixties and seventies and seen and looked up
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to these rock stars as gods. Forty years later or
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whatever it is, do you still have those ambitions.
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Look, the people that I know that got closer to
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scrabble a little bit higher on the pyramid, one of
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them is definitely no longer with us. And yeah, I
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saw him follow He was following Keith Richard's path, really,
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and he had a kind of charmed life, but yeah,
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it was cut short. I often think it's a kind
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of blessing not to be famous, but there's a lot
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of embittered musicians that I know, and it'll still linger,
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like quite late in their life they'll say something snipy
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about some obscure band or something like that. So yeah,
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it lingers. But you know, it's not very good for you,
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I would say, but it's also good for you and
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that you have a pretty good time.
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Well, it's also good for everyone else the audience, because
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we get to listen to this great music, and once
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the music is out there, it's there forever.
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I think that's the thing about especially this era. The
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music was just amazing and you can listen to it
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today and still I don't know if it's just nostalgia,
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but the music made in that time just cuts through beautifully.
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It was really well recorded. They don't seem to have
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passed a lot of even with modern techniques.
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I think it's just that case that good music, irrespective
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of when it's created, whichever era, whichever country comes from,
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if it's good music, it's good music. And I guess
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that guy's without saying that, it's a point that I've
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brought up before. The music or contemporary music just seems
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to be less tribal than it's ever been before. And
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you'll get younger people twenty year old's twenty something, so
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they'll just listen to whatever. It doesn't matter whether it
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comes from the fifties or the sixties, or the seventies
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or the eighties. They're not as committed to identifying personality
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personally with that music compared to the way that we
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might have identified with so new ways music or punk music,
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or the Rolling Stones or the Beatles or the Who
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or Madonna or whoever it was during that time. And
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that's a big thing that I've noticed that younger people,
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without sounding too much like a boring old fart, younger
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people do have wide musical tastes and it doesn't matter
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where it comes from. They will still appreciate. And I
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think that's a good sign of good music. It doesn't
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matter when it was created, who made it, which gender
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they're from. If it's good music, it's good music, and
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it's always appreciated.
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culture has changed. They've got so much of so many
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different things, Like I'm always saying that book that it
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was our religion because it's kind of everything like that
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was a big party. To listen to an album, you
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need a lot of time and we had it. It's
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really embedded in me, all those albums, and we didn't
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have much else.
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more things these days, and that's why I Spotify list
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is so more accessible by younger people. My son's got
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something like four thousand tracks on his Spotify and sometimes
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I'll get a snippet of what he's listening to. He
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rarely allows me to listen to it fully, but I'll
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get a snippet of what he's listening to, and I'll
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ask him, do you know what that is? And you're
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going no, I've got no idea. And it might be
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something from the sixties or the seventies, but it's something
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that he listens to and without understanding culturally where it's
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come from. I don't think that's a terrible thing, because
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they're still listening to music and appreciating it. But the
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cultural relationship that people of today might have is totally
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different to what it might have been twenty thirty years
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ago or forty years ago.
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it just comes in that form of single songs.
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Know, that's an obvious evidence that the culture has changed.
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I think I'm glad that the Lighthouse Keepers that there
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was the band that did the best out of my ones.
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We've got two songs a little bit more that people
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still listen to. But yeah, they still listen to it,
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so it it's out there sort of someone's listening. Thank you,
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keep listening now, perhaps because we've got some Americans on
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board these days, we do have some American friends that
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have had a little look at the book, and I'm
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pretty amazed by what they came up with.
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Eddie, Welcome to the Deep Dave. Today we're cracking open
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a really interesting one rock star self help Wisdom from
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the Golden Age by Greg Appel.
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Yeah, it's a fascinating premise, basically asking can we actually
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learn useful life stuff from, you know, the journeys of
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old school.
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Rock stars, right from that whole pre internet era. It
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seems a bit strange on the surface, doesn't it.
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It does. I mean you usually think of well, excess,
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maybe chaos, but a pelse suggests there are real glimmers
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of wisdom hidden in all those highs and lows.
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Uh huh, And he specifically points to that time before
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what nineteen ninety four, before Netscape in the Internet really changed.
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Everything exactly, a time when rock stars seem to have
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this massive, almost planet shaping influence, very different from.
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Today, totally different. He mentions how those sort of human
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star privileges declined. Now, maybe anyone could be an influencer
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for a bit fleeting fame, but.
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Back then it was concentrated, intense, and a Pel's idea
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is that navigating that kind of spotlight, even with all
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the obvious dangers, might hold lessons we've lost now.
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Lost in our world of you know, constant surveillance and
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maybe just too much information.
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That seems to be the angle. So his main point
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isn't that you should be a rock star today, that's
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hardly possible in the same way, but that we can
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still pull value insights from their often pretty wild rides.
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Eddie, like they're saying it so much better than we could.
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They're in a studio own Memphis somewhere. I'm pretty sure.
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They get to the point and it was incredible. Yeah,
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it's I mean, we're in a changing world. Let's come clean.
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Obviously that's generated by AI, but.
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Well it may not need to come clean. I don't
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think people need to know what they don't need to know.
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It's not written with AI. People are very funny about
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it these days, with good reason, like listen to that.
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It's it's pretty hard to know if me and Eddie
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are actually people?
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Are we? Eddie?
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I'm not even sure myself these days?
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Yeah?
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What are we?
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Anyway, We'll come back to our American friends, because they
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really not. They really get to the point and it's
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it's an interesting discussion they have. I couldn't. I don't
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think we were getting close to we're They're just they're professionals.
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She even maps it out.
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Oh yeah, this self help road. It's quite the list,
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and we run through it quickly.
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Let's do it.
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It gives a flavor, Eddie.
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I came up with fourteen stages through much scientific research. Really,
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the truth is I started with sex and drugs and
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rock and roll, and rock and roll was kind of
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fame the first chapter. I couldn't have sex second because
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it's just a fraud subject these days. So drugs were
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the first one, then sex, but the ones after that
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kind of naturally made themselves and ended up with fourteen stages.
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So drugs, yeah, well, we've all done them, haven't we?
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Anyone who grew up then has done drugs. I was
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a common conversation actually I have with people is like, yeah,
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what have you done? They list they're drugs. I'm not
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going to say now because I've just done a few.
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But the time in the drugs go together, and of
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course that would have to be the opening two chapters
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of the of the book. But the next one even
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goes more together with the first two chapters. Six.
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Yes, sex was just amazing, pretty one sided in those days.
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But the plaster casters sort of that sort of stuff.
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It's amazing art young ladies casting rock stars penises in
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plaster like, just actually being able to do that both
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parties is quite amazing. So that, yeah, that sort of
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stuff blows my mind.
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Daddy, Well, I look forward to going to that museum
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one day.
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It's in Iceland.
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Okay, So it goes fame, drugs, sex, love, than homemaker, interestingly.
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Uh huh.
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Then the Jesus Complex Stave.
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Fifth film Rehab naturally.
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Back to basics, paranoia.
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Animals, Yeah, staring at a wall.
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And finally stars in the sky.
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Wow, it really does sound like a whole narrative arc,
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doesn't it. The classic rise and fall and maybe reinvention absolutely, And.
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What makes Appel's take interesting is his personal connection. He
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was born in the early sixties, so he grew up
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when rock felt like a dominant cultural force.
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He calls it almost a religion, right with gods.
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On album covers, yeah, describing the covers as true works
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of art. These musicians weren't just entertainers. They felt much
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bigger than that.
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And you see how it all connected. Back then, the
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music wasn't separate. He was tangled up with.
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Culture, sexuality, drug experiences, beliefs. Your identity could be really
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wrapped up in the bands he followed.
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The albums you owned yeah, defined you in a way
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that's maybe harder to grasp now.
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about the struggle itself, just trying to become a musician
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back then, the difficulty of it, Yeah, the sheer effort,
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the dedication, the breaking through. He suggests that process itself
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could be a kind of path, maybe towards some kind
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of enlightenment or self understanding.
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So not just the fame, but the getting right.
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So thinking about this self help road again, what could listeners,
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what could you actually take from it?
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Well, take paranoia. Obviously most of us aren't dealing with
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paparazzi on that scale, hopefully not, but the feeling of
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being watched, maybe judged online, the pressures of social media,
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there might be parallels. You know, how did they cope
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with intense scrutiny.
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That's a really good point. It's about finding the core
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human experience within the extreme example, or think back to basics,
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stripping things away exactly when things get too complex or
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overwhelming in our own lives. Maybe there's a value in
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that idea of simplifying, reconnecting.
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With what really matters, and rehab too, not just literally
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but metaphorically, recognizing when something isn't working, when it's unsustainable.
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And then actually doing something about it, facing vulnerabilities, seek
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and change.
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Its universal So Appel's and saying live like a rock star.
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He's suggesting we look at these dramatic lives for themes
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we all face, ambition, failure, finding meaning.
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Exactly, and it really makes you reflect on how fam
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itself has changed, how influence works now compared to them.
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Is there a different kind of wisdom, maybe harder one
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from that older way.
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Perhaps it's definitely food for.
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Thought, and they have all the right pronunciation and things
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like that.
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So they yeah, and they still starter and say I'm
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and R and sound like they're thinking. Amazing. They must be.
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Well, maybe they're doing all the thinking that I'm not
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currently doing at the moment.
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Yeah, our processes are just not fast enough, are they.
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No?
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No, they're not.
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What did it trigger for you? Musically? Like, where are
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your memories?
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Triggered? Memories from all over the place. It's all of
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this stuff those who listened to not necessarily in the
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sixties and the fifties. I wasn't born in the fifties,
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but all of that music that I listened to when
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I was a younger kid, it just triggers all these
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good memories, all these fond memories. And then I think
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maybe that's what music does to people. It certainly does
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it to me that it just offers a signpost of
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what you were doing at that particular point of your life.
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As well, even if you listen to music that wasn't
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necessarily created right at that point of time, it's just
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a signpost for what was happening in your life. So
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there was just a lot of triggering for me, positive triggering.
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That's why I enjoyed reading the book so much like
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music is a big part of my life. It has
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been a big part of my life culturally from where
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I come from in Croatia and also being a want
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to be musician as well being able to play musical
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instruments as well. Like I've always listened to music, and
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I've always enjoyed listening to all sorts of different music,
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like even when there's a reference to Taylor Swift on
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Not a big Taylor Swift fan, but I do like
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some of her music, And whether it's twenty twenty or
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twenty ten or nineteen fifty or nineteen seventy, you're getting
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all this great music from all over the place. So
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that's what reading the book did for me, just triggered
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all of these wonderful experiences.
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It was fun to write to Switch Tack. Eddie's got
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another podcast that is off and on. In Australia. We've
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had a recent election and I did have listened to
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that and had to listen to your predictions Eddie, and
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well they're reasonably accurate, but not by the degree that
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you could have stated them. Did you expect the election
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to turn the way it did?
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No, I didn't like everyone predicted that the Labor Party
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was going to win the election and return to office,
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but no one suspected that it would be that severe
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or that market. And they're probably in office for another
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six to ten years, i'd say. And the Prime Minister,
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Anthony Albernezi, he's a big music fan. So is the
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Minister for Immigration Tony Burke. So is the Minister for
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Environment Tony Plibasik. So I'm always on the side of music.
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So I think the Party of Music won the election,
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and they won it quite essentially. But no, I didn't
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expect that. No, I don't think anyone expected it to
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be so one sided. But I think most people did
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expect that the Labor Party was going to win. What
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were you think?
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We will have to send them some books, especially to
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Tanya who has been on our little show. Yes she has,
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she's got a job for a while. To me, it
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was a positive sign from the people that there's been
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a lot of negative things over the last few years,
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and you start to lose your faith in people.
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But that kind of had enough, Oh you do well,
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there's been all those cultural wars over the past five
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or six years, and I'm sick of it, and you know,
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we're talking about culture today, We're talking about the music industry,
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and why should there be a war about culture.
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Anyway, Look, I hope, I hope it's a positive sign
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for our great country. And you American listeners like, don't
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feel like we've abandoned you. But you probably helped the
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Labor Party, don't you think, kind of a little better
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than they would have.
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I think they would have liked the Donald Trump ethique
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played out significantly in the election on the weekend, And
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sometimes I feel a little bit sorry for America. They
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have to put up with all of these issues that
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we can look at and say, no, that is not
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the way to do it. Let's do it differently. So yeah,
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so I think it did help the Labor Party here,
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and good luck America.
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Yeah, you made all that music, you made the culture
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that we lived in. We're not going to give up
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on you. You're beautiful people, and we'll just go out
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with our American friends.
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I think it's actually just a quick note from a
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listener Keith about a book she read.
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Okay, just one comment, So Keith's.
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Message, it was pretty direct. She identifies herself as get
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this one of the four thousand women that has slept
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with Mick Jagger.
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Wow, okay, that's specific, right.
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And she said about this book called Rockstar Self Help
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by a Greg Appel quote, I loved this book. It
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really bought it all back, caught it all back. She
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also mentioned just practically that she found it on Amazon,
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so it exists.
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Okay, hold on rocks our self help and the recommendation
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comes from someone with that specific connection to well brought
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guaranty solid.
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To say, o buckstick snap in my bones were sad bad,
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I'll stay What being that your teena?
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What thing?
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The bye?
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The same che say.
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Yeah that deep in.
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It's the blood of pa.
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What the sad spine?
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What's not?
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What to make the same sad sign?
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The road sign.
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We'll come back again with another podcast. They're a little
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bit sporadic, But that's life, isn't it.
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Edit It certainly is. When you've got some things on
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your plate. Life is very rue busy. It's not like
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the old days when you had so much time on
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your hand. We're all busy people. But yeah, we'll be
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putting out some more stuff pretty soon.
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Yeah. Next podcast, I'm just going to play an album.
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We're just going to listen to.
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It and and show the and show the artwork from
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the album cover as well.
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Now that's the next podcast. After it, we'll discuss the
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album artwork and the intricate writings on the back and
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ye okay, thank you and goodbye you later
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How are you, Eddie, it's been a while.
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Yeah, it has been a while. I'm going pretty well.
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I also wanted to say hello to some of our
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new listeners. Weirdly, we seem to have some Americans, so
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I'm not sure if they're expats or just interested people,
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but hello, it's nice that you're listening. And this one
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certainly for the whole world. A lot of this stuff
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went on in America, specifically, La seemed to be rock
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star central.
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During the week I read the rock star self Help
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God Wisdom from her Golden Age. I've got to right
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in front of me Now. I've always loved the idea
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of her self help guide for rock stars. But Greg,
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where do you get the idea for this?
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Well, in truth, it's not really for rock stars, because
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they're the ones that have created the guide in a way,
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although you know some of them could take note that
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it'd be great if it caught on. Really, the genesis
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of it was I was trying to write a self
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help book, believe it or not, I just wanted to
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have it go. It's an interesting genre. I struggled with
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the number of different versions, and meanwhile I was reading
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a lot of rock biographies which I find quite therapeutical.
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They're kind of biblical to me. Now, ones like the
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Beatles and the Stones. They began in this year and
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this and this legendary act happened, and yeah, I find
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it soothing. Anyway, I was reading a lot, and somehow
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the two combined to I started to think about what
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and while I was reading the book, I just thought, well,
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there's no real guide to becoming a rock star.
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for not so much for rock stars, it's for everyone else,
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star or how you meant to behave in public. And
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it seems like most of them, like Paul McCartney or
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Roger Dolshy, they seem to want to be like everybody else.
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They just wanted to have a quiet time like living
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the mullikin tire or live on a farm engrossing organic
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fruit and vege. And to me, it seems like the
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rock stars of today they probably do want to be
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like everyone else. They just want to be like normal people.
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previous starts, like I'm thinking of people like Taylor Swift
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got a lot of psychological issues and things going on
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that normal people like us Greek don't have, but they
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just seem to be more well balanced these days.
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so famous, drugs came into the mix and it was just, yeah,
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it hadn't really been done before like that, so I
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think they have learned a bit. And you also can't
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get away with the behavior so much, so they're not
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allowed to do it. Really, Society kind of yeah clamps down,
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but good or bad.
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their own psychiatrists as well. I don't know if any
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other bands have got their own psychiatrists as well, but
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it's almost like you've got money to do whatever you want,
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and sure the behavior might be different, but to me,
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the fame itself? You know, Michael Jackson quite a bizarre
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character by the end of his life. Did that fame
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magnify something that was already there psychologically? Same with Elvis Presley,
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you know, sane, sweet person at that time in the
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late fifties and the early sixties, but then later on
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in life becomes this depressed, dysfunction person dies at the
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age of forty two. And if it wasn't for the fame, well,
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he just would have been some normal guy somewhere in Memphis,
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you know, probably stacking shows. But he wasn't that normal guy.
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records of this stuff and YouTube, et cetera. They're just
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It's one of our hottest guys that's ever hit children's time. Elvis.
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It goes without saying that all of us to your
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dance party, appreciate very much you're taking time out today
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to come by and say hello to all of our
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friends that watch a dance party, and.
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And it's nice that you were able to spend these
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past few days at home. How is it if you've
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been at home for so many days in a role here?
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Well, it's it's the first time I've been off in months.
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I've been on the road, I've been I've been out
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on the West coast and everything, and I've decided i
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I'd like to say that I'm gonna enjoy I.
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Mean, I hear you know all these people.
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But we was certainly glad to have you here.
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That was we wanna ask you a few questions and uh,
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she she would, Here we go. Let's go back to
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the beginning, first of all, to uh your a quick
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rise to fame. First of all, how old were you
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when you first remember being attracted to music and singing?
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And well, how old were you? How'd you get started?
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get just one uh h question?
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Uh, okay, how old were you when you first when
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Uh singing. W Well, I never sung in my life
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until I made my first record, you know. Uh they
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uh uh I I never even thought of singing as
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a career.
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front of anybody, I uh except my mother and daddy.
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front of people, and.
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I all, all of a sudden one day, I just
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got a sudden uh a er uh urged to go
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in this in this recording studio, which was mister uh
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Sam Phillips's Memphis Recording Service, and and uh and he
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told me that he might call me on time, and yeah,
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he called it.
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I was I was an man.
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hear his actual voice recorded. Yeah, my dad had He
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was a fairly uncool young doctor, but he had a
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little collection of singles and in that was Elvis Presley
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baby Let's Playhouse, which I don't know how he got it.
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when he got famous. But yeah, I used to listen
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to that and it's a fantastic record. It still sounds
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really good today, he said. It used to go off
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at the residence parties. That's a bunch of young doctors,
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like in the labor Ward Christmas.
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Where are you going to college?
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You may go to school.
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You may have a pig Cadillac.
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Don't you be old buddy?
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Coming back, come.
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Back you.
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Baby? What I am talking about?
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Come on back to me a little gross all the week.
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And play it's about come back, coming back baby, come
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back Bay.
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an h care home at the moment, but these are
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all the tracks that they play for the order people
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in those homes. So I'm just always thinking, well, who's
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actually got the issue that they need to deal with here?
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or is it the audience? Because there's no rock star
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without the audience, and just a little thing exactly.
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wanted a Keith Richards and he had to be that person,
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you know, druggy, sort of sexy and an outlaw kind
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of thing, and that's what we wanted. Apparently.
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little confession to make that when I was a teenager,
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like most teenagers, I guess I wanted to be a
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rock and roll star as well. And obviously, obviously I
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didn't make it, but you, Greg, you sort of made
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it on some level and did have some success with the.
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I didn't really, I'm but you're closer to being.
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A rock star than I am. But did that experience
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guide you somewhat?
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I think how to go? I think I called it
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a pyramid. If we talked about a pyramid, one of
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those Egyptian ones, I'd be maybe a couple of steps
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up and still there's a long way to the top there.
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it's not the rock stars who need the soulf help.
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It's us as the audience. And we get that situation
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where in the book you talk about people like Paul
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McCartney and Roger Doltry just wanting to be a normal person.
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We're the ones that want to be a rock star.
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we all need the wisdom from this golden age.
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Yeah, they want to be a rock star first that
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they're very motivated people, so yeah, they get that, and
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then they want to be normal. But I don't think
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they want to not be a rock star. It's just like,
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please leave me alone to be sort of normal, but
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I am a rock star. You know it's confusing.
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Well, well, Greg, after all these years, do you still
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hope those ambitions of being a rock star, after you've
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had a tiny little bit of experience, after you've lived
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through the sixties and seventies and seen and looked up
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to these rock stars as gods. Forty years later or
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whatever it is, do you still have those ambitions.
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scrabble a little bit higher on the pyramid, one of
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them is definitely no longer with us. And yeah, I
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saw him follow He was following Keith Richard's path, really,
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it was cut short. I often think it's a kind
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of blessing not to be famous, but there's a lot
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of embittered musicians that I know, and it'll still linger,
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like quite late in their life they'll say something snipy
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about some obscure band or something like that. So yeah,
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it lingers. But you know, it's not very good for you,
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I would say, but it's also good for you and
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that you have a pretty good time.
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we get to listen to this great music, and once
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the music is out there, it's there forever.
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music was just amazing and you can listen to it
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today and still I don't know if it's just nostalgia,
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but the music made in that time just cuts through beautifully.
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passed a lot of even with modern techniques.
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of when it's created, whichever era, whichever country comes from,
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if it's good music, it's good music. And I guess
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that guy's without saying that, it's a point that I've
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brought up before. The music or contemporary music just seems
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they'll just listen to whatever. It doesn't matter whether it
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or the eighties. They're not as committed to identifying personality
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personally with that music compared to the way that we
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might have identified with so new ways music or punk music,
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or the Rolling Stones or the Beatles or the Who
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or Madonna or whoever it was during that time. And
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that's a big thing that I've noticed that younger people,
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without sounding too much like a boring old fart, younger
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people do have wide musical tastes and it doesn't matter
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where it comes from. They will still appreciate. And I
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think that's a good sign of good music. It doesn't
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matter when it was created, who made it, which gender
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they're from. If it's good music, it's good music, and
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it's always appreciated.
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They do have broad music or tastes. They also the
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culture has changed. They've got so much of so many
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different things, Like I'm always saying that book that it
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was our religion because it's kind of everything like that
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was a big party. To listen to an album, you
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need a lot of time and we had it. It's
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really embedded in me, all those albums, and we didn't
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have much else.
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more things these days, and that's why I Spotify list
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is so more accessible by younger people. My son's got
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something like four thousand tracks on his Spotify and sometimes
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I'll get a snippet of what he's listening to. He
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rarely allows me to listen to it fully, but I'll
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get a snippet of what he's listening to, and I'll
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ask him, do you know what that is? And you're
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going no, I've got no idea. And it might be
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something from the sixties or the seventies, but it's something
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that he listens to and without understanding culturally where it's
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come from. I don't think that's a terrible thing, because
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they're still listening to music and appreciating it. But the
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cultural relationship that people of today might have is totally
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different to what it might have been twenty thirty years
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ago or forty years ago.
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it just comes in that form of single songs.
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I think I'm glad that the Lighthouse Keepers that there
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was the band that did the best out of my ones.
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We've got two songs a little bit more that people
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still listen to. But yeah, they still listen to it,
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so it it's out there sort of someone's listening. Thank you,
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keep listening now, perhaps because we've got some Americans on
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board these days, we do have some American friends that
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have had a little look at the book, and I'm
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pretty amazed by what they came up with.
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Eddie, Welcome to the Deep Dave. Today we're cracking open
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a really interesting one rock star self help Wisdom from
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the Golden Age by Greg Appel.
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Yeah, it's a fascinating premise, basically asking can we actually
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learn useful life stuff from, you know, the journeys of
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old school.
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Rock stars, right from that whole pre internet era. It
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seems a bit strange on the surface, doesn't it.
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It does. I mean you usually think of well, excess,
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maybe chaos, but a pelse suggests there are real glimmers
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of wisdom hidden in all those highs and lows.
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Uh huh, And he specifically points to that time before
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what nineteen ninety four, before Netscape in the Internet really changed.
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Everything exactly, a time when rock stars seem to have
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this massive, almost planet shaping influence, very different from.
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Today, totally different. He mentions how those sort of human
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star privileges declined. Now, maybe anyone could be an influencer
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for a bit fleeting fame, but.
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Back then it was concentrated, intense, and a Pel's idea
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is that navigating that kind of spotlight, even with all
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the obvious dangers, might hold lessons we've lost now.
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Lost in our world of you know, constant surveillance and
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maybe just too much information.
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That seems to be the angle. So his main point
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isn't that you should be a rock star today, that's
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hardly possible in the same way, but that we can
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still pull value insights from their often pretty wild rides.
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Eddie, like they're saying it so much better than we could.
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They're in a studio own Memphis somewhere. I'm pretty sure.
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They get to the point and it was incredible. Yeah,
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it's I mean, we're in a changing world. Let's come clean.
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Obviously that's generated by AI, but.
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think people need to know what they don't need to know.
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It's not written with AI. People are very funny about
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it these days, with good reason, like listen to that.
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It's it's pretty hard to know if me and Eddie
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are actually people?
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Are we? Eddie?
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I'm not even sure myself these days?
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Yeah?
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What are we?
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Anyway, We'll come back to our American friends, because they
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really not. They really get to the point and it's
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it's an interesting discussion they have. I couldn't. I don't
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think we were getting close to we're They're just they're professionals.
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She even maps it out.
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Oh yeah, this self help road. It's quite the list,
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and we run through it quickly.
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Let's do it.
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It gives a flavor, Eddie.
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I came up with fourteen stages through much scientific research. Really,
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the truth is I started with sex and drugs and
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rock and roll, and rock and roll was kind of
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fame the first chapter. I couldn't have sex second because
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it's just a fraud subject these days. So drugs were
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the first one, then sex, but the ones after that
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kind of naturally made themselves and ended up with fourteen stages.
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So drugs, yeah, well, we've all done them, haven't we?
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Anyone who grew up then has done drugs. I was
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a common conversation actually I have with people is like, yeah,
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what have you done? They list they're drugs. I'm not
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going to say now because I've just done a few.
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But the time in the drugs go together, and of
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course that would have to be the opening two chapters
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of the of the book. But the next one even
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goes more together with the first two chapters. Six.
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Yes, sex was just amazing, pretty one sided in those days.
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But the plaster casters sort of that sort of stuff.
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It's amazing art young ladies casting rock stars penises in
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plaster like, just actually being able to do that both
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parties is quite amazing. So that, yeah, that sort of
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stuff blows my mind.
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Daddy, Well, I look forward to going to that museum
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one day.
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It's in Iceland.
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Okay, So it goes fame, drugs, sex, love, than homemaker, interestingly.
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Then the Jesus Complex Stave.
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Fifth film Rehab naturally.
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Back to basics, paranoia.
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Animals, Yeah, staring at a wall.
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And finally stars in the sky.
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Wow, it really does sound like a whole narrative arc,
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doesn't it. The classic rise and fall and maybe reinvention absolutely, And.
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What makes Appel's take interesting is his personal connection. He
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was born in the early sixties, so he grew up
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when rock felt like a dominant cultural force.
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He calls it almost a religion, right with gods.
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On album covers, yeah, describing the covers as true works
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of art. These musicians weren't just entertainers. They felt much
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bigger than that.
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And you see how it all connected. Back then, the
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music wasn't separate. He was tangled up with.
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Culture, sexuality, drug experiences, beliefs. Your identity could be really
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wrapped up in the bands he followed.
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The albums you owned yeah, defined you in a way
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that's maybe harder to grasp now.
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about the struggle itself, just trying to become a musician
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back then, the difficulty of it, Yeah, the sheer effort,
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the dedication, the breaking through. He suggests that process itself
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could be a kind of path, maybe towards some kind
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of enlightenment or self understanding.
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So not just the fame, but the getting right.
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So thinking about this self help road again, what could listeners,
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what could you actually take from it?
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Well, take paranoia. Obviously most of us aren't dealing with
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paparazzi on that scale, hopefully not, but the feeling of
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being watched, maybe judged online, the pressures of social media,
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there might be parallels. You know, how did they cope
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with intense scrutiny.
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That's a really good point. It's about finding the core
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human experience within the extreme example, or think back to basics,
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stripping things away exactly when things get too complex or
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overwhelming in our own lives. Maybe there's a value in
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that idea of simplifying, reconnecting.
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With what really matters, and rehab too, not just literally
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but metaphorically, recognizing when something isn't working, when it's unsustainable.
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And then actually doing something about it, facing vulnerabilities, seek
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and change.
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Its universal So Appel's and saying live like a rock star.
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He's suggesting we look at these dramatic lives for themes
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we all face, ambition, failure, finding meaning.
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Exactly, and it really makes you reflect on how fam
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itself has changed, how influence works now compared to them.
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Is there a different kind of wisdom, maybe harder one
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from that older way.
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Perhaps it's definitely food for.
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Thought, and they have all the right pronunciation and things
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like that.
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So they yeah, and they still starter and say I'm
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and R and sound like they're thinking. Amazing. They must be.
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Well, maybe they're doing all the thinking that I'm not
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currently doing at the moment.
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Yeah, our processes are just not fast enough, are they.
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No?
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No, they're not.
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What did it trigger for you? Musically? Like, where are
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your memories?
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Triggered? Memories from all over the place. It's all of
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this stuff those who listened to not necessarily in the
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sixties and the fifties. I wasn't born in the fifties,
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but all of that music that I listened to when
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I was a younger kid, it just triggers all these
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good memories, all these fond memories. And then I think
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maybe that's what music does to people. It certainly does
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it to me that it just offers a signpost of
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what you were doing at that particular point of your life.
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As well, even if you listen to music that wasn't
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necessarily created right at that point of time, it's just
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a signpost for what was happening in your life. So
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there was just a lot of triggering for me, positive triggering.
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That's why I enjoyed reading the book so much like
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music is a big part of my life. It has
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been a big part of my life culturally from where
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I come from in Croatia and also being a want
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to be musician as well being able to play musical
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instruments as well. Like I've always listened to music, and
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I've always enjoyed listening to all sorts of different music,
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like even when there's a reference to Taylor Swift on
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Not a big Taylor Swift fan, but I do like
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some of her music, And whether it's twenty twenty or
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twenty ten or nineteen fifty or nineteen seventy, you're getting
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all this great music from all over the place. So
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that's what reading the book did for me, just triggered
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all of these wonderful experiences.
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It was fun to write to Switch Tack. Eddie's got
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another podcast that is off and on. In Australia. We've
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had a recent election and I did have listened to
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that and had to listen to your predictions Eddie, and
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well they're reasonably accurate, but not by the degree that
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you could have stated them. Did you expect the election
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to turn the way it did?
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No, I didn't like everyone predicted that the Labor Party
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was going to win the election and return to office,
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but no one suspected that it would be that severe
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or that market. And they're probably in office for another
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six to ten years, i'd say. And the Prime Minister,
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Anthony Albernezi, he's a big music fan. So is the
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Minister for Immigration Tony Burke. So is the Minister for
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Environment Tony Plibasik. So I'm always on the side of music.
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So I think the Party of Music won the election,
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and they won it quite essentially. But no, I didn't
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expect that. No, I don't think anyone expected it to
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be so one sided. But I think most people did
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expect that the Labor Party was going to win. What
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were you think?
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We will have to send them some books, especially to
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Tanya who has been on our little show. Yes she has,
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she's got a job for a while. To me, it
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was a positive sign from the people that there's been
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a lot of negative things over the last few years,
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and you start to lose your faith in people.
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But that kind of had enough, Oh you do well,
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there's been all those cultural wars over the past five
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or six years, and I'm sick of it, and you know,
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we're talking about culture today, We're talking about the music industry,
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and why should there be a war about culture.
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Anyway, Look, I hope, I hope it's a positive sign
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for our great country. And you American listeners like, don't
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feel like we've abandoned you. But you probably helped the
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Labor Party, don't you think, kind of a little better
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than they would have.
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I think they would have liked the Donald Trump ethique
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played out significantly in the election on the weekend, And
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sometimes I feel a little bit sorry for America. They
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have to put up with all of these issues that
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we can look at and say, no, that is not
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the way to do it. Let's do it differently. So yeah,
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so I think it did help the Labor Party here,
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and good luck America.
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Yeah, you made all that music, you made the culture
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that we lived in. We're not going to give up
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on you. You're beautiful people, and we'll just go out
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with our American friends.
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I think it's actually just a quick note from a
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listener Keith about a book she read.
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Okay, just one comment, So Keith's.
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Message, it was pretty direct. She identifies herself as get
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this one of the four thousand women that has slept
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with Mick Jagger.
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Wow, okay, that's specific, right.
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And she said about this book called Rockstar Self Help
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by a Greg Appel quote, I loved this book. It
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really bought it all back, caught it all back. She
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also mentioned just practically that she found it on Amazon,
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so it exists.
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Okay, hold on rocks our self help and the recommendation
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comes from someone with that specific connection to well brought
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guaranty solid.
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To say, o buckstick snap in my bones were sad bad,
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I'll stay What being that your teena?
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What thing?
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The bye?
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The same che say.
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Yeah that deep in.
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It's the blood of pa.
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What the sad spine?
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What's not?
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What to make the same sad sign?
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The road sign.
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We'll come back again with another podcast. They're a little
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bit sporadic, But that's life, isn't it.
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Edit It certainly is. When you've got some things on
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your plate. Life is very rue busy. It's not like
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the old days when you had so much time on
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your hand. We're all busy people. But yeah, we'll be
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putting out some more stuff pretty soon.
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Yeah. Next podcast, I'm just going to play an album.
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We're just going to listen to.
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It and and show the and show the artwork from
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the album cover as well.
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Now that's the next podcast. After it, we'll discuss the
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album artwork and the intricate writings on the back and
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ye okay, thank you and goodbye you later
