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[UNKNOWN]: Hello everybody and welcome back to critically acclaimed to the movie review podcast where we Explode My name is William Bibi-Honey.
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[UNKNOWN]: I am a film critic and gosh darned everybody calls me bibs My name is Whitney Sybeld.
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[UNKNOWN]: I two am a film critic and You don't you don't have to call me anything cute.
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[UNKNOWN]: You can just call me hey you
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[UNKNOWN]: I think that's very cute and on this particular podcast where we're reviewing a whole bunch of movies, aren't we?
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[UNKNOWN]: We're reviewing Jane Schoenbrin's Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma.
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[UNKNOWN]: We're reviewing the dystopian romcom one night only.
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[UNKNOWN]: Gregorakis, I want your sex.
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[UNKNOWN]: The Anthony Burden by Opec Tony.
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[UNKNOWN]: the super troopers biopic, super troopers three, uh, the ice cream man, uh, uh, uh, let's just call it a film, uh, ice cream man, uh, and the Netflix paranormal thriller, the last house.
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[UNKNOWN]: on the left or on the right.
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[UNKNOWN]: No, just just the last one tote.
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[UNKNOWN]: I guess whether it's left or right is open.
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[UNKNOWN]: Just the last one they built.
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[UNKNOWN]: Let's go to the end.
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[UNKNOWN]: Go to the end.
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[UNKNOWN]: Go to the end.
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[UNKNOWN]: Go to the end of Oak Street.
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[UNKNOWN]: That house.
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, is it the same house from the end of Oak Street?
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[UNKNOWN]: We'll be talking about that next week.
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[UNKNOWN]: We will be talking about that next week.
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[UNKNOWN]: But for now we're talking about the films I just mentioned because those are the ones we saw and we're going to review those.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yes, indeed.
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[UNKNOWN]: This is the podcast.
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[UNKNOWN]: This is what you're saying.
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[UNKNOWN]: This is the, since a late in conversation that you, it's kind of, kind of what we do.
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[UNKNOWN]: So what, what would you like to talk about first, William?
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, I think given that Jane Schoenbrin is a filmmaker that we both greatly admire, yeah, they're film, we're all going to the world's fair.
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[UNKNOWN]: Was I believe both of our number one films that you're came out?
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm not sure it was number one, but both of their films to date have made our top 10 lists.
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[UNKNOWN]: Both of their films to date have been number one on my top 10 list, they at least made Whitney's top 10 list.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: So I consider them a genuinely great and impressive filmmaker.
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[UNKNOWN]: I consider one of the most interesting filmmakers of their generation.
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[UNKNOWN]: So if they have any new movie, I'm down.
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[UNKNOWN]: If they're like, I'm rebooting care bears.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'll be like, okay.
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[UNKNOWN]: I trust you, I'm sure it's awesome, and sure enough, their latest development teenage sex and death at Camp Me Asma stars Hannah Imbinder as a queer horror filmmaker, meta horror filmmaker, modeled seemingly after shown brand herself,
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[UNKNOWN]: who has been enlisted to reboot a very problematic slasher franchise modeled after in equal parts Friday the 13th and sleepaway camp and she, that's their pronounce, goes to meet the reclusive star of the original film played by Jillian Anderson
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[UNKNOWN]: And it turns into, hey, what if slasher movie meets persona, meets sexual, coming a vege film meets Wes Craven's new nightmare?
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you mean West Craven's Metaclassic new nightmare?
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, fear master, West Craven's Metaclassic.
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[UNKNOWN]: They say fear master.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's a meeting where the in-film filmmaker has like a zoom call with a bunch of studio types.
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[UNKNOWN]: So one of those played by Dylan Baker.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Clearly modeled after Jason Blum by the way.
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[UNKNOWN]: That seems to be who he's playing.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's quite bright.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: I feel like a new nightmare like kind of takes it on the chin a little bit, because they make, they kind of mock that that is the only frame of reference that a lot of people have for Metahar, Metahar movies.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, I think that's the frame of reference that studio filmmakers have.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's a bit between Hannah and Imbinder and their agent.
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[UNKNOWN]: uh... play by Sarah Sherman uh... where they're talking about how uh... yet we can get the the star of the original movie to star in this movie and it's just like yet but nobody cares who that is you know it's like well Jamie Lee Curtis came back for Halloween i'm like yeah this woman is no Jamie Lee Curtis who who who the hell knows the name of whoever started the sleepaway can't with his and i and binder can name those names and uh... and the agents like yet only you
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[UNKNOWN]: And I think there is one of the many, many, many things this film is about, and I love what an all-encompassing sort of cinematic essay this is, is I think it is about people who see art specifically horror movies, queer movies, outsider art.
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[UNKNOWN]: as extremely important and artistically meaningful of not necessarily intentionally so.
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[UNKNOWN]: And also, there are other people that people like Hanai Binder's character and you and me and various other film critics who take this stuff seriously.
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[UNKNOWN]: Everyone else, we just sort of have to deal with, and while they may be rolling our eyes, they may be rolling their eyes when we reference, you know, I don't know, the burning, which shouldn't be as obscure as it is, but it is.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's a specific reference to it, and I bet most of the only audience won't get it.
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[UNKNOWN]: We're rolling our eyes that they don't get it.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I think which is weird because this movie is so deeply entrenched in the lore of horror cinema, and yet I also think in a weird way it's Jane Shone brings most accessible film.
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, it's definitely accessible.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think it actually is getting to some pretty clear points and just sort of like explorers
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[UNKNOWN]: The thing that strikes me most about Jane Shunburn as a filmmaker is that they is their age, really.
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[UNKNOWN]: Jane Shunburn is a millennial filmmaker and is trying to comment with all three of their films, the way specific forms of media come to inform kind of our, not just our,
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[UNKNOWN]: or personality, but just the fabric of our characters, everything we learn about life, we're kind of getting through media or rather monials or kind of getting through media.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I feel like a teenage sex and death that can't be asthma is going to one of Jane Shunbrun's primary interests, which is Slash of Movies.
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[UNKNOWN]: And
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[UNKNOWN]: And the way I put it in my written review is that this is kind of a post-analysis look at Slash of Movies.
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[UNKNOWN]: We're no longer just sort of looking at the place of movies and culture because I feel like we've been doing that for too long.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's nothing left to say according to Jane Shunbroin.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's a really brilliant opening montage in this movie where we kind of see
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[UNKNOWN]: in in this movie in sort of this universe and we kind of trace the entire lifeline of this camp me as my film which is like you said it's model off of Friday the 13th and also sleep way camp.
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[UNKNOWN]: So we see
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[UNKNOWN]: the first one was ahead.
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[UNKNOWN]: It was critically reviled.
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[UNKNOWN]: They started making these sequels.
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[UNKNOWN]: They were considered really kind of a joke to a lot of the critical intelligentsia.
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[UNKNOWN]: We saw the the sequels pile up and they kind of became a joke even to the fans at one point.
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[UNKNOWN]: I love they tried to reboot it.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's a great joke if you look really carefully.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'd like all like the reviews.
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[UNKNOWN]: We see clips of is that.
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[UNKNOWN]: yeah critics hated the original and then like clips like of reviews of the film for like 10 years later are now talking about like the sequels are nowhere near up to the standards of the original which is totally how horror discourse happens uh the occasional horror movie is really widely celebrated when it first came out but uh most horror films in my experience
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[UNKNOWN]: either, you know, don't make an impression or only make a cult impression and then years later everyone is calling Halloween three season of which a classic.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, that that's a big part of it.
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[UNKNOWN]: What I was going to say is, you know, all of these sequels come out and then part of this montage are the vulture articles on the online.
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[UNKNOWN]: re-lidigations of these things and it's come to the point where even those re-lidigations and recapturing the movie for a mainstream audience is also kind of stale.
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[UNKNOWN]: Halloween three season of the witch doesn't need us as anymore.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's already been rescued.
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[UNKNOWN]: We're good.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: If anything, it's over-placed now.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's like, I've even seen some people say, Oh, no, no, that's actually even better than the original.
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[UNKNOWN]: uh... and then we cut to a conversation later in the movie uh... with uh... the characters named Chris and uh... the uh... a jillion anderson character is named uh... billi-pressly and uh... even Chris starts to refer to this movie as uh... zombie IP this is the only way we can even look at these movies anymore and that is to say it's
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[UNKNOWN]: it still has pop culture value as a title because it's recognizable but there's nothing left to be done with the material uh it's been openly recognized for many many years that a lot of these films are incredibly sexist, they're incredibly transphobic, they're incredibly homophobic, they're
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[UNKNOWN]: You could say they're problematic or you could just say they're mean and the only reason Chris has been hired to reboot camp miasma is because and she understands this, she's a queer woman and a hiring a queer woman.
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[UNKNOWN]: They're kind of like trying to brush it off.
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[UNKNOWN]: So there is like eight layers of self-awareness.
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[UNKNOWN]: To the point where even being self-aware is no longer going to have any kind of power in this universe, I appreciate that because that's the starting point for this move
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's really it's really dense, but in a really good way I think I think for people who love not just horse cinema and queer cinema People who just love cinema people who genuinely love Criticism and what and like reading about movies and what these movies mean to people and mean historically and the various different interpretations People have had throughout the years and find that fascinating in itself I
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[UNKNOWN]: feel like, especially after I saw the TV glow and teenage sex and death, although those these films are both very, very much, especially after I saw the TV glow, but these films are very, very much trans allegories, and I myself am cisgender.
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[UNKNOWN]: In so many ways, I feel like Jane Schoenberg and has my number, there's a scene in this movie where Chris and Billy are watching Billy's print of the original Camping Asma, and Billy's Billy was in it, she's seen it, got nose how many times, and she hasn't lost her interest, but they're her, this is what it is.
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[UNKNOWN]: And Chris is doing a thing that I know I've done so many times because I'm not even criticizing it, but like reacting to everything that happens while looking a scant or sideline, it's not in a judgmental way, but just looking at the person seeing like you're seeing this too, right?
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[UNKNOWN]: And in a way that's like slightly like there's a moment where there are about to reveal the Slash of Villain and the camp me as my the fictional camp me as my movies is a gender queer Serial killer named little death and how cute is that?
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, I mean, that's quite significant.
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[UNKNOWN]: We'll get to that in a minute here.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, a little death refers to the French term Lipete more, which is the little death, and it's a reference to an orgasm.
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[UNKNOWN]: But when the characters are sitting around a campfire at camp of miasma and revealing, you know, the shocking gross backstory of Little death just when they're about to do that scene Hannah and Binder leans over to Jillian Anderson says this is the part that's transphobic
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[UNKNOWN]: I know, and then there's another moment, there's one more moment in that exact same scene where right after that because I've done that and right after that, there's a scene where there's a shot and if you know what I'm talking about, there's a particular shot, it's called a split diopter shot and it's all done in camera.
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[UNKNOWN]: where there's basically two types of lens on one lens.
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[UNKNOWN]: So something can be an extreme close-up in the foreground, and then there's like a tiny little like wave of fuzziness in the middle of the lens, and then something can be in focus in the background.
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[UNKNOWN]: as well.
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[UNKNOWN]: If you see the new film, the end of Oak Street, there's a scene where everyone's sitting on the floor in a living room and every other shot is a split die after shot.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's like we couldn't figure out how to comfort that scene.
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[UNKNOWN]: So we had to do this.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think there's ever.
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[UNKNOWN]: But Hannah I'm buying her says something that I say every time.
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[UNKNOWN]: You just say split die after.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like
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[UNKNOWN]: It's like seeing Kitchcock's cameo like there is like you can't not comment on it and I am I'm just like, you know, Jane I'm right here you don't have to make fun of me you don't have to like, but but I do feel as though
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[UNKNOWN]: Jean Schoenbrin has this very particular connection to people who feel particularly connected to cult art and I just feel as though even though clearly our life experiences are in many ways dramatically different, there are so many things about their movies that I connect to
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[UNKNOWN]: Just a Smith character in I saw the TV gloves obviously a trans allegory, but when they talk about sex They talk about in a very asexual way someone asks Someone asked you like do you like boys or girls and and his responses?
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[UNKNOWN]: I like TV shows
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and when Hannah I'm buying your talks about their sexual experiences and they're in like a polyamorous relationship where their partner has sex with some, some douchebag named Thor and they're like, and they're like, yeah, I'm God, you're getting it.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm not getting anything out of that, but when they think about sex and they're kind of interested in sex, but they never really had good sex and what they have instead of sex is treats.
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[UNKNOWN]: They love gummy candies, and this is a recurring motif.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's a scene in the movie where a sexual relationship is starting to bud at least potentially between Chris and Billy, and it's like they're preparing to have like this romantic moment, and they're like candy bags, like taped to a lamp, the way that you would normally like, you know,
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[UNKNOWN]: scatter rose petals everywhere, and it's just like, yeah, this is a physical delight, but it doesn't have the same baggage, and it doesn't have the same feelings of confusion attached to it.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I get that.
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[UNKNOWN]: I get that a lot.
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[UNKNOWN]: I feel very, very seen.
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[UNKNOWN]: The teenage sex and death is, like I said, I feel like it's pretty straightforward in the things
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[UNKNOWN]: Um, because this is very much about a certain type of sexual anxiety, uh, the two characters when they're watching the can't me as a movie are both really fixated on one specific moment when, uh, the, uh, the Billy character is, uh,
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[UNKNOWN]: the character that Billy Presley plays in the original can't be as a movie when she was a teenager her character in that movie is uh... having her very first sexual experience and while she's having it this is slasher movie the slasher breaks in with a spear and is about to impale both of them and this is something that it calls to mind of course um...
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[UNKNOWN]: Friday, the 13th with the captain, they can seem really scared up from underneath the bed in a post-coiled state, and the camera zooms in on Billy Presley's eye, and they spend a lot of time trying to unpack why that moment is so important for both of them.
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[UNKNOWN]: The Chris character begins to confess that she actually has a lot of sexual anxieties and never really felt relaxed about sex and under started to understand through watching can't me asma that we're cutting through all of the analysis that she sort of brought into the cabin with her and kind of getting back to something very very visceral about slasher movies that we shouldn't be overlooking and that is something that's very raw and violent and sexual and how that
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[UNKNOWN]: conflating of sex and death that slasher movies have always kind of had as part of their makeup is something that's really, really important to her as just sort of a sexual being.
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[UNKNOWN]: And that's eventually spins off into this really kind of great Fantasmogorical fantasy sequence that takes up like the last third of the movie, which I really, really love.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's really kind of stylized.
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[UNKNOWN]: And at the same time, we're kind of getting into the head of the little death character.
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[UNKNOWN]: The fact that the slasher is called little death is sort of like, well, hey, look, here's your orgasm metaphor.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's right there.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's your sexual anxiety metaphor.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's pretty straightforward.
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[UNKNOWN]: Little deaths, people with a, with a, with a long pointy objects and blood spurts everywhere.
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[UNKNOWN]: Got it?
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Get it?
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: And it's interesting because that is such a curse.
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[UNKNOWN]: of the slasher genre and there's this wonderful bit where and I'm binder's character is talking about all these things that the slasher genre does and represents and Jillian Anderson that just throws back at it.
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[UNKNOWN]: No, it's about flesh and fluids.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's what it is about.
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[UNKNOWN]: And what flesh and fluids are present in both sexual insects and also acts of physical violence.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I think change in children is very aware
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[UNKNOWN]: that the movies themselves, when they were being made, at least the vast majority of them were not made with a terribly large amount of thoughtful intentionality.
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[UNKNOWN]: No, no, they were really, really loose.
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[UNKNOWN]: All of these analyses that we bring to Slashers as critics and that several generations of film fans have brought to Slasher movies were brought by us.
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[UNKNOWN]: The filmmakers weren't thinking that out.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's just we started to notice patterns.
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[UNKNOWN]: The idea that sex and vice are punished by a Slasher is something that I don't think the original filmmakers were thinking of.
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[UNKNOWN]: John Carter openly said that that that is well, that's technically you could you can see that in Halloween that is coincidental to the narrative he was trying to tell.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's not that like Jamie Lee Curtis's character is approved.
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[UNKNOWN]: We see your smoking pot.
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[UNKNOWN]: We know she wants to go on dates.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's just that compared to the other girls, she is a responsible babysitter.
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[UNKNOWN]: And that's why she's able to survive the night because she's not so preoccupied with her own stuff that she's not that she ceases to be aware.
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[UNKNOWN]: of her duties and her surroundings, but you look at that superficially and it looks like, oh, she's the one who has the least amount of sex, air go, that's why she survives, and then all of a sudden that's the read everyone has on slash her movies.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I feel like Jane Shunburn is saying that we, we, you and I william critics have kind of kind of disappeared up our own asses when it comes to slasher movies and this whole movie is kind of
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[UNKNOWN]: an attempt to pull us out again.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, I don't disagree with that.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think, I think, Eugen Schoenberg knows that there is a lot to unpack in a slasher movie, and I think this movie is in many respects, a love letter, too.
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[UNKNOWN]: a genre that means a lot to a lot of people like critics, you know, something, yeah, we can get our heads that up our own ass.
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[UNKNOWN]: We can absolutely read a ton into a movie that was probably not intentional, but I think, and I think even James Schunburn would agree with this because I think this is also part of the point of their movie, that intentionality is an everything.
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[UNKNOWN]: What matters is what the audience gets out of it.
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[UNKNOWN]: And there's this moment
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[UNKNOWN]: they saw camp me as well when they were way too young like when they were like a they were like a preteen and that's an experience that I think a lot of people millennial generation X and afterwards probably had you experienced a movie that was not intended for young audiences when you were too young to really understand everything it was getting at.
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[UNKNOWN]: And then it becomes kind of keyed into your DNA.
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[UNKNOWN]: If you're first encounter with both sex and violence in any sort of visceral way was a slasher movie, it makes sense that in your head, those two things could at least statistically be linked, whether the filmmakers intended it or not.
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[UNKNOWN]: And so what we see, and we see this in the way the world going to the world's fair, approaches the makers of internet art and creepypasta's,
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[UNKNOWN]: And memes, we see this in the way that I saw the TV glow explorers, what TV shows like Buffy the Vampire Slayer meant and reflected back at the teenage audience that was coming of age while they were watching them.
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[UNKNOWN]: Here, Gene Schoengren is looking at what a slasher movie, which is brilliant and simplistic.
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[UNKNOWN]: still means on a deep and profound level, and it means something very direct in a lot of ways, but it's a very personal in a way.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's, yeah, and that's the thing, and that's the thing that really finally unlocked it for me, because I watched this movie twice and I'm glad I did, because the first time I saw it, I was viewing it the way I view a lot of movies, somewhat academically.
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[UNKNOWN]: And then watching it the second time, I knowing everything that was about to happen and everything that Jane Shumburne was eventually getting at.
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[UNKNOWN]: I was able to see how, although there is absolutely a film critic read in this movie and I think it is valid and I think it is not only loud but encouraged.
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[UNKNOWN]: What ultimately this movie is about is exploring.
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[UNKNOWN]: mean to Jane Schoenbroen personally on some level.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think that's probably fair to say.
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[UNKNOWN]: But I think the biggest thing, the most important take away and the thing that I think teenage sex and death at Camp Measmer can help audiences unlock for themselves is asking what does the junk art
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[UNKNOWN]: that you gravitate towards.
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[UNKNOWN]: That helps define you.
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[UNKNOWN]: What does that actually mean to you?
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[UNKNOWN]: Because I think a lot of people, when they've got their collection of
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[UNKNOWN]: You know, child's play t-shirts or whether they've got like a whole bunch of fun co-pops of the rockets here or whatever.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like, or all of these works of art, which are fun, but a lot of people don't necessarily read a lot into.
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[UNKNOWN]: If they mean so much to you that they become this really important frame of reference in your life, they probably mean something.
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[UNKNOWN]: something very personal and maybe it's so obvious that you're not even thinking about it consciously or you take it for granted and it got me thinking shit man or is probably my favorite genre almost certainly my favorite genre and I don't ask myself often enough you know I think about the movies I like but like there's so many movies that I'm not asking myself what is this
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[UNKNOWN]: mean to me.
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[UNKNOWN]: What is what they're saying to you as, yeah, personal.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm looking at what like the artist is attempting to convey to me intentionally or subconsciously, but what I sometimes lose sight of is ultimately how this relates to me on a human soulful level.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I find a lot of the times when I'm closest to that, it's because I have a visceral negative reaction to something.
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[UNKNOWN]: This is something like it's just offensive to my sense of ethics or even just my sense of taste.
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[UNKNOWN]: But,
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[UNKNOWN]: When a film positively connects to me, whether it is truly grand, magnificent, high-class art, or whether it is just absolute trash that I nevertheless adore and celebrate and recommend to everybody, I'm not always thinking about how this affects me and reflects me personally, and I think
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[UNKNOWN]: This movie has the potential to actually help me rethink the way that I think about art, which is a lot considering that's what I do almost all day every day.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I think I can't think of a higher recommendation.
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[UNKNOWN]: I...
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[UNKNOWN]: I see all of that.
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[UNKNOWN]: I see everything that you're saying.
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't find that to be necessarily as profound as some of the things that Jane Shumburn was saying in their previous two movies.
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[UNKNOWN]: I feel like trying to really connect with something personal about a piece of art that you've always loved is something that I think is very valuable to us and I think it's good to remind
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[UNKNOWN]: why we're obsessed with certain pieces of art, what caused us to connect to those things in the first place.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I think this is something I've been thinking of a lot in terms of what nostalgia does to us.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Nostalgia is very comforting, of course.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's something that reminded us of our childhoods, reminded us of something that was very important to us as youths.
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[UNKNOWN]: But at the same time,
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[UNKNOWN]: What we have to start thinking about why we're drawn to it other than just the comfort it gives us.
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[UNKNOWN]: What brought us to it initially?
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[UNKNOWN]: Is it just that childhood innocence?
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[UNKNOWN]: Is it just a memory of being impressed?
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[UNKNOWN]: Or is there something still going on in that piece of work that is really kind of touching us?
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[UNKNOWN]: Is there some kind of emotional thing?
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[UNKNOWN]: As somebody who watches Star Trek all the fucking time.
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[UNKNOWN]: This is something I have to think about a lot.
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[UNKNOWN]: Why am I watching Star Trek all the time?
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[UNKNOWN]: Is this something that I really, really And being deeply connected to or is this something Um, that is just reminding me of my childhood and when it comes to something like Star Trek I actually am finding a lot that I'm still connecting to on like a really personal level on Star Trek
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[UNKNOWN]: Um, so it's been really helpful to do that to re-litigate my favorites and really find out what it is that I'm constantly being drawn to well also unpacking it and I don't know if I'm just on the same wavelength as camp miasma or if I'm stuck in something that it's kind of rejecting.
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[UNKNOWN]: But I think, I think both are true.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think it is a film that absolutely embraces that's sort of interconflict.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I think it can be about all those things simultaneously, and I don't think it invalidates either.
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[UNKNOWN]: You did just get me thinking about them, because again, we have on our Patreon.com slash critically acclaimed network.
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[UNKNOWN]: an exclusive podcast where you and I are watching every Star Trek episode ever in a row and right a point now where we're watching episodes that both you and I are very familiar with and have personal memories of.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: And what I appreciate about that show, in the fact we could spend like at least an hour talking about every episode of Star Trek, whether it's considered a classic or totally disposable.
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[UNKNOWN]: is that we are looking at not only what these things meant or reflected when they came out, but also how those meanings evolve over time and we're looking at episodes that are considered, you know, generally by the critical community to have been very, very terrible and then looking at them decades later and going, well, actually in some respects, this episode was ahead of the curve in some of the conversation.
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[UNKNOWN]: that it's trying to have about difficult subjects and other episodes that are widely celebrated are no longer reflective of that.
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[UNKNOWN]: And when it comes to teenage sex and death, it can't be asthma.
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[UNKNOWN]: Jane Schoenberg is very particularly focused on one moment in the film and how it affects one aspect.
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[UNKNOWN]: of the character of Chris's life and personal transformation, and I would be very curious, and maybe Jane Jumpern is a little younger than both of us, maybe as they get older, I would love to see them if they continue to pursue this line of thinking, this light motif where they are constantly exploring that hazy space between the audience and the art that they
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[UNKNOWN]: I would like to see if they have a narrative in them, a theme in them, a story and then about how someone's relationship to a work of art evolves as that person gets older.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, I think we're not going to be able to see that until Jane Shunburton gets older.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's my point.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's exactly right.
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[UNKNOWN]: I am so eager to see Jane Shunburton continue to essentially grow up.
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[UNKNOWN]: which is not to say that Jane Shunburn is like an immature filmmaker in any sense.
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[UNKNOWN]: In fact, I think their works are very well thought out and very stylized and very assured.
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[UNKNOWN]: Even when working with really tiny budgets like in we're all going to world fair, how much of that movie was shot in a single bedroom, right?
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[UNKNOWN]: But I feel like I'm
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[UNKNOWN]: As Jane Shunbrun gets older, we're going to see them start to have to re-litigate the way they feel about these movies.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's even in the summertime and I just know Jane Shunbrun is this kind of filmmaker that they're going to make a movie about their relationship with one of their previous movies.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like it's going to start becoming really self-reflective, but we're going to have to wait until
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[UNKNOWN]: middle age sex and death at can't be asthma.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's coming.
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[UNKNOWN]: I would love to say We shouldn't go on to we have a lot.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, I'm sorry.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's there's one more topic I wanted to cover and that is actually kind of the the transness that's in teenage sex and death the slasher as a trans character and I feel like in making and played by Jack Hathen.
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[UNKNOWN]: Jack Hathen.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and Jack Hathen is wonderful
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[UNKNOWN]: Then in previous, then I saw the TV glow, which I thought was one of the best performances of the decade, and here they're, that's not your villain, they've a lot less.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, they don't have a great monologue.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Practically a mute character, not a lot of dialogue.
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[UNKNOWN]: But this is clearly a transmask filmmaker trying to point out to a lot of audiences that transkillers, like in psycho, like in sleep away camp, like in the Texas Jansel massacre, this very problematic thing that's been going through line through slasher throughout the genre's history,
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[UNKNOWN]: actually been very empowering for perhaps some trans viewers.
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[UNKNOWN]: The fact that these killers, the characters were most interested in in a slasher movie, we aren't necessarily relating to the victims.
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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, especially by the time we're getting into multiple sequels and only the killers coming back and the humans are the ones that are rotating out, we're kind of seeing these her...
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[UNKNOWN]: heroic supervillain characters arise and how those characters are actually defining the universe they live in and I think that's a really that's also an element that's kind of been put into sex and death to the point where we get into this weird cronin burgy and flesh wall space that's a weird nightmare sequence there's a lot going on in the world of the year by the way it's a second flesh wall of the year a second trial whether he hides
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's right.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's right.
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[UNKNOWN]: Mark Margarovie's ball was the same color as her skin.
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[UNKNOWN]: It even had like her freckles.
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[UNKNOWN]: What it, what it, what it was.
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[UNKNOWN]: It was, no, and that's what I wanted to bring that up, but so we can move on from this one.
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[UNKNOWN]: I know, I'm glad you did because just one last thing because I feel as though there's a lot of material in teenage sex and death at camp, me asma, which unlocks even more complexity and even more interesting conversation.
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[UNKNOWN]: not just the films Jane Schoenbroen is referencing, but also the conversations about those films.
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[UNKNOWN]: And when I left the screening showing teenage sex and death at Campamia asma, I remember thinking to myself, I wish.
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[UNKNOWN]: You remember when David Lynch's Dune came out and they handed people a glossary as they walked into the theater, a lot of what, you know, all the terms in Dune meant because it's going to be impossible to follow otherwise.
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[UNKNOWN]: I want everyone in the theater to get a copy of BJ Collangelo and Harmony Collangelo's book Sleepboy Camp, which is a great book, by the way, because it is very, very much delving into a lot of these topics, and although a lot of it's very personal, you know, it doesn't also have a responsibility to weave a narrative.
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[UNKNOWN]: It is a critical work, and it is as definitive of work as I think we're
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[UNKNOWN]: And if you are interested in teenage sex and death and can't get to it in a while and you want to read the primer read the collangelo sleep away camp or if you saw teenage sex and death as my either feel like you didn't get it or that you really want to learn more.
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[UNKNOWN]: read sleepaway camp.
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[UNKNOWN]: I could not recommend it enough.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's great.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and there are all kinds of books.
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[UNKNOWN]: Not just the Collangelo's, but the about sort of queerness within slasher.
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[UNKNOWN]: I recently picked up a copy of Chuck Tingle's Barry Yorgay's, which is, I need to read that.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I haven't actually read it yet.
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[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, it's like this kind of queer slasher in book form.
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[UNKNOWN]: And Chuck Tingle also did a film recently called Camp Damascus, which does something very similar.
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[UNKNOWN]: so uh... there's all this is already a big part of the conversation uh... jane jane shenburn is not opening a new door but i feel like in making this film so uh... entertaining and actually kind of light and funny in all the ways uh... it's the in romantic and yet sexy and romantic and there's actual sex in it uh... there is all the c.o.
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[UNKNOWN]: wonderful queer sex is all over this movie uh... is actually kind of
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[UNKNOWN]: Welcomeing people in.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think this is actually a very accessible movie and I think just any teenager could wander into this movie and get a lot out of it even if they're not familiar with BSAs.
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[UNKNOWN]: Right all I'm saying is that I feel like while this is accessible, I hope this is a gateway to deeper conversations and more.
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[UNKNOWN]: Films to explore in the future, the way that a lot of these movies were gateways to me when I was younger and I just feel like you could use this as like Watch DNA sex and death at camp me asthma watch all the films it explicitly references then dig into the films that it Sort of subtextually references and then read all the criticism of that and then read all their thing they're referencing and then and a couple years you're going to be an expert and make your own text
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, if if I have any any complaints about well, I guess I this is not really a complaint because it's not even though we're talking all of these dry things about essays and how it actually does function as an essay I don't think it's a very dry movie.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's not boring.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's actually very entertaining.
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[UNKNOWN]: So that that's why I think it's it's so effective.
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[UNKNOWN]: It would still be interesting if it were just a dry essay.
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[UNKNOWN]: I like movies like that, but I know a lot of like a mainstream audience isn't going to necessarily dig something really Heady and cerebral and this is cerebral, but it's also really fun.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, anyway, but we have it.
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[UNKNOWN]: I said my piece.
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[UNKNOWN]: No, no, it's not it's time to move on because we have a couple other movies that open on the same weekend that are also about
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[UNKNOWN]: Sex and one is sex in a dystopian future and one is approaching the topic from a very different angle I am furious that I wasn't able to get to one night only.
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[UNKNOWN]: I was sick the night of the screening and I haven't had chance to catch up Because the premise it's the purge, but for fucking Where unless you're married you're not allowed to have sex except for one night
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[UNKNOWN]: of the year and all of the trailers made it look like this is an incidental fact toy and ultimately it's just a really cute romantic comedy and I found myself endlessly distracted by how fundamentally fucked up that it like even the purged and outlaw sex all year.
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[UNKNOWN]: No, and in fact, that's the biggest error with this.
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[UNKNOWN]: So, I wish you had seen this, not because you would have enjoyed yourself.
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[UNKNOWN]: In fact, you would have hated this movie.
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[UNKNOWN]: Anyone with a heart or libido will hate this movie because this is like pro-fascist propaganda writ large.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like it's right there.
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[UNKNOWN]: This is...
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[UNKNOWN]: This film and like Coyote vs. Acme or some of the most important movies of the year will get to Coyote vs. Acme and do course But in terms of like what they're saying to the present moment Are I think I can say right now.
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[UNKNOWN]: I have seen Coyote vs. Acme I think it's way more positive
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[UNKNOWN]: uh... in and it's a trail but it's still a big but it's positive but uh... code versus act me was made in twenty twenty three and it's far more significant uh... in twenty twenty six it's delay might have actually been for two of us but
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[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, one night only takes place in New York City in a near future, for the last three years, the government has been ruled by some kind of ill-defined, a super-fascistic, like Puritan Christian government of some kind.
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[UNKNOWN]: and they have an act of this law and they don't really say what the function of this law is other than it's just sort of this way of controlling people's bodies.
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[UNKNOWN]: No one is allowed to have sex until they're married.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay, that sounds really like Christo fascist propaganda and then
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[UNKNOWN]: But in order to make sure people don't go completely mad, there is one sex night, it's in the middle of August, they never explained why that That date was chosen Hmm I feel like if I were making this movie, I'd put a lot of thought into the meaning of that date Yeah, yeah, and put a thought into like the meaning of the day, I guess it's in the middle of summer, it's not near any other holidays So put it right there Yeah, you're on a silly Christmas
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[UNKNOWN]: Right fucking people are allowed to fuck legally and everyone has has these little biological and this feels like a stored Gordon thing like these little tattoos on the inside of their wrists that are red all year but when they're allowed to have sex it turns green and that thing monitors their biology to make sure they're not near someone else who is having like a chemical sex response
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[UNKNOWN]: So that's the way that's the way you can even so you couldn't even and forgive me for being crass like so be crass.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's fine.
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[UNKNOWN]: This, well, I'm just saying for people listening, okay.
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[UNKNOWN]: You know, you know, in a, in a group environment, you know how people like huddle around their old timey radios and listen to podcasts.
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[UNKNOWN]: That sounds like it would preclude even like masturbating in close proximity.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's the thing.
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[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't, it doesn't, they say that there's a news broadcast early in the movie with one of the politicians who enacted this law.
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[UNKNOWN]: And he looks a lot like Sean Hannity, which couldn't be a coincidence.
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[UNKNOWN]: And he says that
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[UNKNOWN]: we finally brought purity back to the United States and people aren't having meaningless sex anymore.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's all pointed.
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[UNKNOWN]: This is a time when you can be proud to be an in-sell and that's sold as like kind of like a little bit of a laugh line.
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[UNKNOWN]: The most frustrating thing about this movie is its tone.
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[UNKNOWN]: This film was directed by Will Glock.
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[UNKNOWN]: who previously did that movie, anyone but you, with Glenn Powell and Sidney Sweeney, and anyone but you was a huge, huge hit, and it's easy to see why.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's a frothy romantic comedy about attractive people who are attracted to each other in attractive location, and it pulls it off, and it's a Shakespearean story, so the plot works.
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[UNKNOWN]: But this movie has that same tone.
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[UNKNOWN]: Everything's really kind of bright and brisk and playful and fun.
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[UNKNOWN]: The main character is played by Monica Barbaro, who would play John by As, and it's complete on known.
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[UNKNOWN]: and she is, well, she's a romantic.
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[UNKNOWN]: She doesn't just want to have meaningless sex.
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[UNKNOWN]: She wants it to mean something.
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[UNKNOWN]: Never mind that she's been forbidden from having sex all year by the government, even though this is a night to finally get a rock soft.
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[UNKNOWN]: She's like, well, I want it to be special.
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[UNKNOWN]: She wants to find the right person.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, it sounds like a modern equivalent of the sort of Disney or fairy tale trope where you're a princess, but I want to marry for love.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she wants to fuck for love.
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[UNKNOWN]: And wouldn't you know what across town is another fellow played by Kalim Turner, who's like a big beef steak of a man.
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[UNKNOWN]: He's dating someone, his girlfriend is played by Maya Hawke.
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[UNKNOWN]: And she is, she decides to leave him for the night.
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[UNKNOWN]: Just like, okay, I'm going to go out and I'm going to have sex with somebody else because I think that would be more fun than having sex with you because you're clearly a cold fish and bad.
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[UNKNOWN]: Uh, so she ends up running off and having sex with like I think they're landlord or something and he's left.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's a conflict of interest.
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[UNKNOWN]: That is.
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[UNKNOWN]: And so he's left to kind of have sex on his own and naturally he and Monica Barbara were going to spend the evening kind of drifting through New York City after our style because it's only from 7pm to 7am, so it's all night They're going to leave it all day?
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[UNKNOWN]: No, no, it's just twirlers.
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[UNKNOWN]: Not even 25.
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[UNKNOWN]: You don't have to take everything from the purge.
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[UNKNOWN]: uh... calum turners uh... mom is played by uh... moly wring walled and she's in a relationship with love our burden which seems like kind of this weird random assortment of celebrities to cast as the parents
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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think that's cute, but yeah, it's cute.
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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I like those actors, but it seems, yeah, a little strange put them together.
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[UNKNOWN]: I was just watching the new happy Madison film.
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[UNKNOWN]: Don't say good luck, and we'll review it next week.
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[UNKNOWN]: But there's a moment where it's like, oh, and our grandparents are coming to visit, and I was like, okay, it's happy Madison.
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[UNKNOWN]: Who were the cameos and right before the door opened I was like I forget who I was I said Steve who shemi and Caffeine a genie and then they opened the door and I was half right.
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[UNKNOWN]: It was Steve who shemi and I was like But it was BB new word who was genuinely wow Again, it's like we're just we just got two celebrities.
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[UNKNOWN]: We're not gonna think about it
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[UNKNOWN]: It's like, why are those two was available that weekend?
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[UNKNOWN]: That's the question.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay Steve Bushemi and BV Newworth, they'll come by.
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[UNKNOWN]: Sure, why not?
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[UNKNOWN]: I felt that way about Molly Ringwald and LaVar Burton.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's like, okay, two famous people.
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[UNKNOWN]: All right, neat.
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[UNKNOWN]: So,
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so it's it's kind of there's something I admire that they're trying to the filmmakers Really trying to address the weirdness of this premise and they did it so by showing in almost every background shot There was some kind of protest imagery There was like graffiti that said repeal the ban There was a you know a lot of warning these kind of fascist warning sides don't have sex unless it's this one night of the year and there's all these like public works There's some scenes and
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[UNKNOWN]: uh... police station where they talk about the people they're busting uh... and through all of this we in the audience are wondering what is going on with the government government at right what why uh... well how did it get this way and the film does not interrogate its own premise it doesn't interrogate the fascism that had to come to be uh... it doesn't feel like a dystopian movie it feels like a romantic comedy
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, I want to know, but I want to know because real fast.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm just, and I think I asked this before, but I think it's worth bringing it up in this context.
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[UNKNOWN]: Because when I see it just Toby and movie, and it's like, oh, we live in a world where
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[UNKNOWN]: You know, all crime is legal one night a year and I'm thinking myself how the fuck did that get past in legislation but when it comes to we outlawed sex, I know how it got past we we we we elected a lot of conservatives boom yeah it had happened eventually the question I have that really for me
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[UNKNOWN]: would either lighten the mood or absolutely taint to this enterprise would be finding out what the punishment is like are you does your tattoo explode or is it just like you know like demolition man when you swear you get a $50 fine.
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[UNKNOWN]: There is a scene where somebody's being hauled into a police station.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's a scene where a guy is busted for having sex too many times, like he had sex multiple times in a week that wasn't like the designated week.
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[UNKNOWN]: And he was the subject of a police raid.
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[UNKNOWN]: Now, OK, where is where do queer people fall in all of this?
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[UNKNOWN]: And there's a queer character who appears early in this movie who says that they're actually taking the sex night off and her Her reasoning is
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[UNKNOWN]: queer people have been getting around the laws of the streets since before the Bible.
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[UNKNOWN]: This idea that we are always pilloried, so this is just par for the course for us.
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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's pretty insulting.
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, well, queer people, they're used to it.
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[UNKNOWN]: They're used to being oppressed.
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[UNKNOWN]: So it's okay that everyone else is being oppressed.
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[UNKNOWN]: So what this is, this movie, is...
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[UNKNOWN]: a crime tourism fantasy, what if we applied the laws that we've always been applying to queer people, to stray people as well, and...
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[UNKNOWN]: And wouldn't it be cute?
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and it should be cute.
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[UNKNOWN]: And the conclusions this movie come to are really fucked.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I'm going to spoil the ending of this movie because you should not see this film.
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[UNKNOWN]: It is.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to say this, yeah, real fast.
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[UNKNOWN]: You can skip ahead a couple of minutes.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's a time code in the episode.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: If you genuinely care about this.
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[UNKNOWN]: If you genuinely don't point it.
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[UNKNOWN]: If you don't want this ending spoil, I suppose skip ahead a little bit.
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[UNKNOWN]: But at the end of the movie,
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[UNKNOWN]: these two characters have finally realized that they're in love they've gone to like wild parties and they've had some near misses.
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[UNKNOWN]: They almost had sex with one person but they didn't get to.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's all very cute.
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[UNKNOWN]: And they get to the very end and it's like they have 30 minutes left before 7 a.m. it's like it's almost 7 and the the the the the counting I mean if you've been holding it in for a year that's enough time.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and it's like we, and they start making out and I, first of all, I want to see the the purge election year version of this.
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[UNKNOWN]: I want to see people burning down buildings and, you know, assassinating politicians trying to get their right to have sex back to be, you know, actually human and, and horny out in the street whenever you want, because that's your right as a human being.
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[UNKNOWN]: Or I wanted them to have sex and have sex on a countdown clock and continue to have sex after it's already counted down It's like nope.
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[UNKNOWN]: We're just gonna keep on going and the last shot is the SWAT team coming in and firing firing while they're having sex.
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[UNKNOWN]: You know something like that instead Even though they'd have 30 minutes to go.
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[UNKNOWN]: They say wait a minute, but we're in public.
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[UNKNOWN]: We're in this romantic location It doesn't feel special.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think we should wait a year darling
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[UNKNOWN]: And I don't think this is a natural light of dialogue, but they did say, in making sex rarer, the kind of making it special again, maybe the fascists were right about this one.
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[UNKNOWN]: God for the fascists.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they're good as the fascists are here to police our bodies and make sure that sex can remain special.
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[UNKNOWN]: Fuck off.
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[UNKNOWN]: This movie is...
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[UNKNOWN]: uh... sex negative in the worst possible way it's pro fascism in the worst possible way everything about this movies very core concept it makes me not just uncomfortable but furious uh... it's and i think it's speaking to where we are as a society a it takes place in sort of a fascist government which we kind of have right now uh... and also it's speaking to you are and depending on who you are by the way we've always had
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[UNKNOWN]: to someone in this country yeah you know like yeah it's it's there's always been someone just it's massively screwed over and legislative out of existence it's just way on the surface right now and and at the same time it's also speaking to and going back a little bit to sex and death it can't be asthma it's speaking to the way sex was given to us in media and you'll find a lot of conversations especially online these days about kind of
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[UNKNOWN]: the prudishness of a certain generation.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's a class of people out there who don't like to see sex scenes in movies.
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[UNKNOWN]: They don't want to see sex in movies.
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[UNKNOWN]: Their feel certain generations are having less sex than the generations before.
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[UNKNOWN]: And this is a movie that is trying to lean into that prudishness rather than necessarily exploded or confronted or even litigated in any kind of
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[UNKNOWN]: If a fascist government forces you to be prudish, you're going to be comfortable.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I can't think of any other message that this film is getting at.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's nothing romantic about it because it is all litigated by this.
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[UNKNOWN]: horrible regime that the film is not stopping nearly enough to talk about everything is really light and frothy and skimmed past.
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[UNKNOWN]: We're trying to find, you know, whimsical things we can do comedically with this premise.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like, and this is something I didn't even mention.
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[UNKNOWN]: Everybody can have sex, but single people have to wear condoms.
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[UNKNOWN]: So children are not even allowed to be conceived of wedlock.
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[UNKNOWN]: And that's only I was wondering, because I was imagining,
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[UNKNOWN]: uh, the Netflix Michael Bolton Valentine's Day special.
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[UNKNOWN]: It opens with Santa Claus going to see Michael Bolton and saying, listen, I don't have enough people to give toys to this year.
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[UNKNOWN]: You need to get everyone horny as hell now.
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[UNKNOWN]: So a child can be conceived before December, and I can have a job this year.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I thought it was just like, you know, it's in August because we really, really, really wanted
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm bad at math, June.
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[UNKNOWN]: No, I guess that doesn't make any sense.
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[UNKNOWN]: I guess May, whatever.
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[UNKNOWN]: I will say this.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to, I have two thoughts.
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[UNKNOWN]: One is that this sounds to me like the kind of movie, and I'm wish I had seen it, and I will see it before the end of the year.
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[UNKNOWN]: But it sounds
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[UNKNOWN]: was born to make because repeatedly in Paul Verhoven's career, especially with Robocop and Starship Troopers, he had an opportunity to make a film which in other hands, less satirical hands would have been unironically fascistic.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Star Wars and Robocop.
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[UNKNOWN]: Especially Starship trippers, but Robocop as well.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like when he came into him, it was probably more or less being treated as my understanding.
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[UNKNOWN]: And he disregarded it initially as just how he would clap-trop about a cool Robocop.
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[UNKNOWN]: And for Hoven's approach was I'm going to turn this premise, which has superficial, fascistic appeal on its head and use it to criticize the society that made it.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I need that the exact same thing with Starship tripers.
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[UNKNOWN]: So I would love to see Paul for Hoven's the purge romcom.
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[UNKNOWN]: I feel like that would have been interesting and he could have someone like with that touch could have brought something out of this that would be very fascinating.
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[UNKNOWN]: The movie I was dying about while I was watching one night only was actually John Waters film a dirty shame.
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[UNKNOWN]: Which is a film that is actually like just zestily to mess it like it.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's just it is a walking boner of a film and It celebrates sex and it celebrates being horny and it celebrates fetishes and it kind of mocks the people who would make people feel bad for their fetishes It's
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[UNKNOWN]: It has, in every one of its, a scenes, every one of its concepts, a passion and an adoration for human sexuality and all of its forms.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's even a line of dialogue and a dirty shame where you say, Johnny Knoxville says, you'll find that, um,
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[UNKNOWN]: Everything sexual is permitted, so long as nobody's hurt, and, and everything's consensual, and it's like, yeah, you know what?
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[UNKNOWN]: Yes, that's the philosophy that I like to see in my, in my sex related movies, and to see the opposite of that being sold really hard and something like one night only.
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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, personally, it rubs me the wrong way, but conceptually, it's just just bad.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, the other moment, and weirdly, it takes place in the same universe as anyone but you, because there's a couple of scenes where people are thumbing through like singles apps, and we see their characters and photos on the singles apps.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like literally by name, their characters.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: The movie, it reminded me of in description the way you were describing it, was actually a genuinely classic movie, booty call.
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[UNKNOWN]: uh, which is about two guys who go on a double date and it's going very very well and their their dates are both neighbors in the same apartment complex and they're about to have sex but they don't have condoms and they end up going out into the night in the middle of the night on a journey to get, you know, contraceptives and it's a series of misadventures and they
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[UNKNOWN]: And the push and pull of that is very, very funny.
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[UNKNOWN]: The other thing I will say, and I just want to say it's really briefly, because I bristle with something that keeps coming up and you write it up as well, because I think there is an eagerness to paint,
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[UNKNOWN]: younger generations who, and again, I don't want to paint them with a huge brush either, but there are a lot of people who are saying that they're not super excited about the idea of seeing sex in a movie, it doesn't titulate them, it doesn't feel like necessarily worth it in and of itself, and they don't miss it if it's gone.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think a lot of people are eager to paint that as prudishness or ultra-conservative or puritanical, and I'm sure to some people it is.
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[UNKNOWN]: Uh, it does worry me that it is very difficult for someone who may be a sexual or on the sexual spectrum, a sexual identity that is only now becoming a little bit more acceptable to discuss in the mainstream and something people are actually willing to admit
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[UNKNOWN]: It's just, it can, it can be a description of a general apathy as opposed to judgment and for me, I, I, I don't know how to have this conversation that because obviously if you push that too hard, it's going to do the job of the Prudish people who want to condemn things from from a conservative perspective, but I also don't want to silence people who may simply be apathetic towards
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[UNKNOWN]: sex.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's not necessarily bad.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's not something they should be judged for necessarily.
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[UNKNOWN]: No, no.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I'm not trying to judge anybody who is ace or anybody who's on the ace spectrum.
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[UNKNOWN]: But I am because if this was a film about being ace, that would be a different issue.
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[UNKNOWN]: That would be a different kind of a movie.
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[UNKNOWN]: But I'm not talking about the film.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm talking about you were describing people in the audience.
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[UNKNOWN]: The kids these days, saying that they don't need movies with sex in it.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think there are some people who say we don't approve.
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[UNKNOWN]: And there are some people who say we're not interested.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I think those are different conversations.
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[UNKNOWN]: OK.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I don't know, I don't know how to balance that, though, because obviously, I have a stake in both.
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't want an oppressive environment where people don't feel comfortable expressing sex in art, but I also don't want an environment in which people aren't allowed to say that they're apathetic towards it.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I don't know the solution here because I feel like there's got to be something in the middle.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I haven't found it yet.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I often
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[UNKNOWN]: But it came up organically, so I didn't just want to say, if your perspective on sex and films is more related to a general asexuality or apathy, I think that is different, and I don't think that's necessarily British.
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[UNKNOWN]: But to some people, it absolutely is, and that I can't help but condemn.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
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[UNKNOWN]: So, anyway, there's a Gregor Aki film that you all want to talk about.
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[UNKNOWN]: This is the sex special.
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[UNKNOWN]: We got teenage sex and death.
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[UNKNOWN]: We got sex under fascist regime and now we got, I want your sex, which is, Gregor Aki has actually come out and said very pointedly that this film is meant to provoke
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[UNKNOWN]: who the people who he feels are prudish.
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[UNKNOWN]: He's actually being very pointed about saying what he needs to say about the way certain audience members are uncomfortable with seeing sex in movies to the point where he feels like sexuality is being deliberately drained from movies, not in an ace way, but in a prudish way.
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[UNKNOWN]: And so he has made a movie called, I want or sex about characters who are driven by sex and sexuality.
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[UNKNOWN]: But it's also this really fun wild satire of the high art world.
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[UNKNOWN]: And it's also a spoof of sunset boulevard.
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[UNKNOWN]: So, hey, do sunset boulevard, uh, flakes this week as well.
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[UNKNOWN]: because teenage sex and death is absolutely name checking it, and I think Jillian Anderson even dresses like Norman Desmond once.
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: She does say, like, oh, you think I'm dressed like that character from Sunset Boulevard and the filmmaker character says, yeah, I don't remember the character's name right now.
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[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I want your sex is kind of this.
01:02:00.913 --> 01:02:17.490
[UNKNOWN]: erotic comedy thriller, uh, where, uh, Cooper Hoffman plays this guy named Elliot, who is, he's dating his girlfriend, his girlfriend is studying, uh, and she is completely, she is completely shut him out, uh, physically and romantically.
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[UNKNOWN]: She just, it almost seems like she hates this guy, like she just does, once nothing to do with her boyfriend.
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[UNKNOWN]: And he is frustrated by that.
01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:31.624
[UNKNOWN]: He's frustrated by her, the fact that she's shut them off.
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[UNKNOWN]: The fact that he still has a pretty healthy libido and a lot of sexual fantasies and he just can't enact any of it.
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[UNKNOWN]: He doesn't live with his girlfriend.
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[UNKNOWN]: He lives with his best friend.
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[UNKNOWN]: He's played by Chase Sui wonders from the studio.
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[UNKNOWN]: She's really great.
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[UNKNOWN]: And he manages to land a really prestigious job at an arts studio with a character played by Olivia Wilde, who is this very Robert Maple Thorb, very ultra sexual provocateur type of artist, and he does all of like the grunt work.
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[UNKNOWN]: And this is true of all hi artists.
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[UNKNOWN]: They hire a lot of like, um,
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[UNKNOWN]: uh... interns and helpers to actually help them construct their concepts they don't necessarily do it all by hand themselves depending on the artist so uh... she's she has painted this big portrait of a human vagina and has all of the interns sort of two wads of gum and stick them and like recreate the pattern and uh... that's his job he has to do stuff like that
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[UNKNOWN]: Uh, also she's taken a very strong in sexual interest in him.
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[UNKNOWN]: She sort of sees something in this guy that she can control and even says very frankly, calls him into the office and says, you're not going to be weird if we start having sex.
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[UNKNOWN]: Are you?
01:03:49.481 --> 01:03:49.961
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, wait.
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[UNKNOWN]: What?
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:03:51.082 --> 01:03:52.344
[UNKNOWN]: I want to start having sex with you.
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[UNKNOWN]: You're going to be my boy toy.
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[UNKNOWN]: And you know, he's like 22 years old, he's horny, uh,
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[UNKNOWN]: And he really admires this artist and she's played by Olivia Wilde, so she's really really gorgeous and he's like, yeah, let's do that and they proceed to have this very sexual affair.
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[UNKNOWN]: And it's very fetishistic, she ties him up a lot, she spanks him, there's a lot of binding and blindfolds in their play.
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[UNKNOWN]: But at a curiosity, just so I can get a sense of the tone here, is this portrayed as a form of workplace harassment or is this entirely mutual despite the power dynamic?
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[UNKNOWN]: They acknowledge this constantly that the power dynamic is off between these characters, that she's his boss, that he is being taken advantage of, but he's also young and horny enough that he doesn't care.
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[UNKNOWN]: he understands that he's being taken advantage of and he welcomes it so there is also a level of of consent now at the beginning of this movie we actually saw Olivia wild's corpse floating face down in a pool just like in the sunset boulevard and the story is being told through flashback as the kuperhauffin characters being interrogated by a pair of cops who are played by Margaret show and Johnny Knoxville
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[UNKNOWN]: So we kind of know what tone we're going for.
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[UNKNOWN]: Gregor Rackie is a very energetic filmmaker.
01:05:12.588 --> 01:05:14.069
[UNKNOWN]: He's a very colorful filmmaker.
01:05:14.469 --> 01:05:17.590
[UNKNOWN]: He has kind of a nasty sense of humor when he's making a comedy.
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[UNKNOWN]: He's very interested in sex and sexuality.
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[UNKNOWN]: And he's just going to put it out there.
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[UNKNOWN]: His characters are all incredibly horny.
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[UNKNOWN]: And
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[UNKNOWN]: And this film is no different, although I would say that this is also a very accessible film as far as Gregor Aki films go.
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[UNKNOWN]: This is not like the doom generation where it's just sour and off putting all throughout.
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[UNKNOWN]: And
01:05:43.369 --> 01:05:50.032
[UNKNOWN]: Naturally, as this sort of relationship progresses, the Cooper Hoffman character begins to catch feelings a little bit.
01:05:50.052 --> 01:05:58.595
[UNKNOWN]: He starts to understand that they're connecting through this sexual play through all of their kink in a really kind of meaningful way.
01:05:58.675 --> 01:06:04.338
[UNKNOWN]: He really appreciates that he's finding something in her that he wouldn't find with anybody else.
01:06:05.238 --> 01:06:13.766
[UNKNOWN]: And she, of course, tries to keep everything as cold as possible, which is really starts to hurt his heart after a while.
01:06:15.347 --> 01:06:23.194
[UNKNOWN]: And that's kind of where I have to stop describing the plot because there's like some big twists and some big reveals from that point on.
01:06:23.854 --> 01:06:25.596
[UNKNOWN]: But I really like this film's attitude.
01:06:25.696 --> 01:06:29.860
[UNKNOWN]: I really like its attitude toward pointing out that sex is not
01:06:31.412 --> 01:06:33.333
[UNKNOWN]: a dark motivating factor.
01:06:33.353 --> 01:06:36.614
[UNKNOWN]: It's actually a very light motivating factor in people's lives.
01:06:36.674 --> 01:06:38.895
[UNKNOWN]: It's the thing that gives a lot of people's lives meaning.
01:06:40.675 --> 01:06:46.518
[UNKNOWN]: I've seen so, so many films noir about
01:06:49.689 --> 01:07:17.701
[UNKNOWN]: characters who are motivated by sex and they're motivated by some kind of like having sex with like a male character is motivated by having sex with a femme fatale and that's the kind of thing that brings about they're undoing it's like seen as a grievous sin oh no you slept with this woman out of wedlock are you cheated on your your girlfriend this is something that is going to come around to get you in the end um... well yeah and there was a lot of film noir's are basically someone is so horny they're willing to
01:07:18.621 --> 01:07:22.784
[UNKNOWN]: kill for it to commit crimes and I've and I've seen some great horror movies about that.
01:07:22.804 --> 01:07:41.876
[UNKNOWN]: I love the hellraiser Clive markers first hellraiser movie and that's all about how a woman gets so horny for a Gull with no skin that she's willing to kill guys and give him skin again just specifically so she can have sex with this guy again Greg or Acce is trying to flip that she really loved him.
01:07:41.916 --> 01:07:43.397
[UNKNOWN]: She'd love him as he was by the way
01:07:45.465 --> 01:07:48.167
[UNKNOWN]: I don't have a spine, I love you the way you are.
01:07:48.468 --> 01:07:50.609
[UNKNOWN]: Would you love me if I only had a third of a spine?
01:07:51.410 --> 01:07:52.091
[UNKNOWN]: A lot of people would.
01:07:52.911 --> 01:07:57.535
[UNKNOWN]: You may not specifically, that guy, Frank is a dick, but, like, you know, for some of our free cases of everyone.
01:07:57.995 --> 01:07:58.215
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:07:58.696 --> 01:08:00.197
[UNKNOWN]: There's someone for everyone, that's all I'm saying.
01:08:00.530 --> 01:08:03.671
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Greg, Greg, Greg is clearly flipping the script on this.
01:08:04.071 --> 01:08:16.755
[UNKNOWN]: He's trying to show the film noir story about how sex is actually a fine, active, great thing to have in your life, but you can still treat people poorly.
01:08:16.815 --> 01:08:23.477
[UNKNOWN]: And then, of course, it spins off into this wild crime plot about a weird double crosses and
01:08:25.177 --> 01:08:32.842
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we did start in the sunset boulevard territory, so we're going to have to learn eventually how all of your wild ended up face down in that pool.
01:08:36.004 --> 01:08:39.146
[UNKNOWN]: But I hope it's a double back and she was just swimming.
01:08:40.277 --> 01:09:01.498
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I can't tell you what like how she got I'm just saying what I'm just saying what I hope I'll find out when I see it and I will see it I recommend this movie it now it because it's correct or accurate it's also like kind of silly and a little bit chaotic so it's not like a tight film noir it's not like you're watching you know a simple plan or something or a simple favor.
01:09:02.003 --> 01:09:07.264
[UNKNOWN]: But or a simple plan, but I feel like it's, it's just sort of enjoying itself.
01:09:07.304 --> 01:09:09.965
[UNKNOWN]: And Gregory Arcky is enjoying himself and the actors are all really great.
01:09:09.985 --> 01:09:13.946
[UNKNOWN]: And everybody's hot and horny and it's just fun to watch.
01:09:14.446 --> 01:09:15.866
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I had a good time with this one.
01:09:15.906 --> 01:09:30.670
[UNKNOWN]: And it was wild to see this one only a couple days after I saw one I'd only because they clearly have just the opposite view points about sex and control and the way human beings react to sexual matters.
01:09:31.895 --> 01:09:32.075
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:09:32.855 --> 01:09:34.236
[UNKNOWN]: Well, um, okay.
01:09:34.276 --> 01:09:39.538
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I think we're actually finally able to move on from the hornyness.
01:09:39.698 --> 01:09:49.141
[UNKNOWN]: Although certainly, uh, a lot of the characters on the next films are some of them are horny, but it's not really about their hornyness.
01:09:49.581 --> 01:09:49.781
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:09:51.182 --> 01:09:51.422
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:09:51.842 --> 01:09:53.003
[UNKNOWN]: I can't think of it as that way.
01:09:53.083 --> 01:09:53.983
[UNKNOWN]: The next film is Tony.
01:09:55.023 --> 01:09:59.545
[UNKNOWN]: Tony is a biopic of Anthony Burden, the famous chef,
01:10:00.196 --> 01:10:06.640
[UNKNOWN]: and author who really inspired a lot of people to look at food very differently and kudos.
01:10:07.521 --> 01:10:08.842
[UNKNOWN]: Newers I can tell a wonderful guy.
01:10:10.242 --> 01:10:17.267
[UNKNOWN]: But Tony very specifically is the story of a summer when Anthony Bridane was, I think, 19 years old.
01:10:18.631 --> 01:10:24.438
[UNKNOWN]: And the movie opens, I think, with one of the best epic graphs, I've ever seen in a movie.
01:10:24.458 --> 01:10:32.466
[UNKNOWN]: And epic graph is the quote that sometimes precedes a novel or film that puts what you're about to see in a certain amount of context.
01:10:34.628 --> 01:10:46.074
[UNKNOWN]: And the epigraph that starts Tony is as follows, and I think it is just absolutely exquisite, and I will have this in the second.
01:10:46.094 --> 01:10:50.856
[UNKNOWN]: My computer decided to freeze up on me right now, which I love for me.
01:10:50.937 --> 01:10:51.337
[UNKNOWN]: Here we go.
01:10:51.657 --> 01:10:52.677
[UNKNOWN]: Here we go.
01:10:52.797 --> 01:10:53.418
[UNKNOWN]: Here's the epigraph.
01:10:53.798 --> 01:10:57.680
[UNKNOWN]: I was, this is a quote from his autobiography, I was to be frank.
01:10:58.517 --> 01:11:09.924
[UNKNOWN]: a spoiled, miserable, narcissistic, self-destructive and thoughtless, young, loud and badly in need of a good-ask kicking.
01:11:12.466 --> 01:11:13.507
[UNKNOWN]: Does he get the ass kicking?
01:11:13.987 --> 01:11:14.967
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, he gets the ass kicking.
01:11:15.108 --> 01:11:18.029
[UNKNOWN]: He gets the ass, it's like the end of my day of his in Amber Sense.
01:11:18.049 --> 01:11:19.550
[UNKNOWN]: He gets his ass kicking twice filled.
01:11:21.444 --> 01:11:23.104
[UNKNOWN]: And I love that about this movie.
01:11:23.124 --> 01:11:29.706
[UNKNOWN]: This movie takes the Scott Alexander Larry Carazewski sort of inspiration for a biopic.
01:11:29.726 --> 01:11:35.448
[UNKNOWN]: These are the writers of films like Edward, people versus Larry Flint, man on the moon, and Dolomide is my name.
01:11:35.868 --> 01:11:39.649
[UNKNOWN]: And their philosophy is, don't tell the story of the person's entire life.
01:11:40.755 --> 01:11:43.378
[UNKNOWN]: look inside their life and find one story.
01:11:44.039 --> 01:11:45.821
[UNKNOWN]: And that story could take place over a year.
01:11:45.861 --> 01:11:47.143
[UNKNOWN]: That story places over a few years.
01:11:47.163 --> 01:11:49.225
[UNKNOWN]: It could be the story of one movie that they made.
01:11:49.485 --> 01:11:50.567
[UNKNOWN]: You don't have to tell it all.
01:11:51.107 --> 01:11:53.831
[UNKNOWN]: Antonio is all about the summer when this kid was 19.
01:11:55.272 --> 01:11:58.857
[UNKNOWN]: And he was an asshole and become slightly less of an asshole.
01:11:59.987 --> 01:12:01.568
[UNKNOWN]: And that is a very important summer.
01:12:02.148 --> 01:12:06.250
[UNKNOWN]: And I wish more people had that summer because some people never get it and there's the last goals.
01:12:07.091 --> 01:12:14.054
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like that's something a lot of us go through when we're like college age, when we're in, when we're night, when we're about 19.
01:12:14.094 --> 01:12:17.076
[UNKNOWN]: We start to realize, wait a minute, oh shit, I was 15.
01:12:17.496 --> 01:12:18.376
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that was awful.
01:12:19.017 --> 01:12:19.517
[UNKNOWN]: No, 19.
01:12:19.577 --> 01:12:20.898
[UNKNOWN]: You were, sorry, I was 15.
01:12:21.298 --> 01:12:25.120
[UNKNOWN]: You realize that you're not the center of the universe.
01:12:26.478 --> 01:12:28.018
[UNKNOWN]: And, again, some people never get that.
01:12:28.158 --> 01:12:29.039
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't think that's healthy.
01:12:29.179 --> 01:12:32.600
[UNKNOWN]: But in the case of Anthony Verdein, he gets there.
01:12:32.660 --> 01:12:45.963
[UNKNOWN]: And this epigraph lets you know that, and unfortunately, Anthony Verdein's life into tragically, but like later on in his life, he would be able to look back at what the story you're about to see and say, I was a dick, but I got better.
01:12:47.002 --> 01:12:55.545
[UNKNOWN]: And that allows you that allows filmmaker Matt Johnson, who directed earlier this year in Irvana, the band that showed the movie, which is wonderful.
01:12:55.585 --> 01:12:56.425
[UNKNOWN]: I finally caught up with it.
01:12:56.485 --> 01:12:56.865
[UNKNOWN]: Amazing.
01:12:56.905 --> 01:12:57.685
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I'm so glad you did.
01:12:57.705 --> 01:12:58.465
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I liked that one a lot.
01:12:58.485 --> 01:12:59.326
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's so good.
01:12:59.406 --> 01:13:00.166
[UNKNOWN]: And he didn't have the movie.
01:13:00.186 --> 01:13:04.687
[UNKNOWN]: I love the few years ago called Project Avalanche, or Operation Avalanche, excuse me.
01:13:05.467 --> 01:13:12.289
[UNKNOWN]: Which was about the conspiracy to fake the moon landing, which is just very inspired.
01:13:15.255 --> 01:13:30.101
[UNKNOWN]: No, like he, he absolutely doubles down on this, and he, it allows Matt Johnson and Dominic Sessa from the holdovers who plays Anthony Perdane to portray this guy unapologetically as a dick.
01:13:30.941 --> 01:13:35.062
[UNKNOWN]: And yet, we in the audience were allowed to still like him because we know he gets better.
01:13:36.263 --> 01:13:40.905
[UNKNOWN]: He has abundantly clear that this is something that even he looks back on and goes, I needed my ass kicked.
01:13:45.722 --> 01:14:13.966
[UNKNOWN]: He's in college and he thinks he is a shoe-in for writing fellowship and he's going to spend the entire summer Fucking around spending the university's money and then half-assing what sounds like the Shittiest book anyone has ever written It sounds like he's just pulling the the pitch out of his ass And he knows he's going to get it and then he goes home for this for like a few days like I'm about to head out to New York and Be the coolest guy in the universe the phone rings and he didn't get it
01:14:14.348 --> 01:14:17.009
[UNKNOWN]: And he can't tell his parents because he told them it was a done deal.
01:14:17.470 --> 01:14:19.391
[UNKNOWN]: So he steals all the money in his dad's wallet.
01:14:19.451 --> 01:14:20.411
[UNKNOWN]: And he follows this girl.
01:14:20.431 --> 01:14:22.432
[UNKNOWN]: He had a crush on him high school to Cape Cod.
01:14:22.933 --> 01:14:25.074
[UNKNOWN]: Not at her request, by the way.
01:14:25.854 --> 01:14:27.475
[UNKNOWN]: He just knows she's going to be there.
01:14:27.855 --> 01:14:30.697
[UNKNOWN]: So he grabbed some money and he was like, maybe we can fuck.
01:14:31.197 --> 01:14:31.897
[UNKNOWN]: And he gets there.
01:14:32.057 --> 01:14:34.139
[UNKNOWN]: And the first thing he finds out is he has a boyfriend.
01:14:34.619 --> 01:14:39.281
[UNKNOWN]: And then he just starts drinking himself into oblivion at this fish restaurant on Cape Cod.
01:14:39.782 --> 01:14:42.083
[UNKNOWN]: He hits on the waitress.
01:14:43.148 --> 01:14:44.249
[UNKNOWN]: he gets his ass kicked.
01:14:44.789 --> 01:14:46.250
[UNKNOWN]: He gets thrown out into the street.
01:14:46.650 --> 01:14:48.011
[UNKNOWN]: He gets his money stolen.
01:14:48.391 --> 01:14:52.313
[UNKNOWN]: And then the guy who runs the restaurant is played by Anthony Benderas.
01:14:53.534 --> 01:14:53.734
[UNKNOWN]: OK.
01:14:53.774 --> 01:14:57.116
[UNKNOWN]: Season takes pity on him and loves to sleep in it.
01:14:57.496 --> 01:14:57.676
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:14:58.136 --> 01:14:58.957
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:14:59.297 --> 01:15:01.738
[UNKNOWN]: Is Antonio Benderas named Burgerbeard?
01:15:04.389 --> 01:15:05.250
[UNKNOWN]: New York City restaurant.
01:15:06.452 --> 01:15:11.019
[UNKNOWN]: That was that was Antonio Benderis character's name in the SpongeBob movie.
01:15:11.740 --> 01:15:13.162
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, I don't record beard.
01:15:13.543 --> 01:15:14.103
[UNKNOWN]: I don't record all that.
01:15:14.123 --> 01:15:15.005
[UNKNOWN]: No, he plays a guy.
01:15:15.025 --> 01:15:16.647
[UNKNOWN]: He's literally only known as chef.
01:15:16.727 --> 01:15:17.508
[UNKNOWN]: No one knows this real name.
01:15:19.491 --> 01:15:24.556
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, he lets him sleep on his hammock and in order to pay for the money he needs to get out of town.
01:15:24.616 --> 01:15:25.857
[UNKNOWN]: He says you can watch dishes.
01:15:27.038 --> 01:15:30.141
[UNKNOWN]: No one ever asks and this I think this is a flaw.
01:15:30.461 --> 01:15:35.366
[UNKNOWN]: No one ever asks the waitress that he hit on so badly that he needs to be thrown out of the restaurant.
01:15:35.626 --> 01:15:36.747
[UNKNOWN]: How she feels about that.
01:15:37.803 --> 01:15:48.009
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, so the movie has flaws, uh, but if he's just some just like some 19-year-old punk, then you know, maybe she's willing to give it a slide, just because she knows he's long.
01:15:48.389 --> 01:15:49.050
[UNKNOWN]: And you know what?
01:15:49.550 --> 01:15:53.832
[UNKNOWN]: A scene where we addressed that, two lines of dialogue where we addressed that really would have helped.
01:15:54.473 --> 01:15:57.655
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, it's not, it's not an instant classic, but I mostly like it.
01:15:58.275 --> 01:16:00.957
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and so we spends the summer,
01:16:02.191 --> 01:16:15.374
[UNKNOWN]: working at this fish restaurant for a guy who is massively overqualified and just wants you know to run his own place and cook simple delicious, you know, lobster rolls and oysters.
01:16:16.094 --> 01:16:30.018
[UNKNOWN]: He ends up befriending a guy who is by his estimation, you know, not worth any one's time of day, just some like just some working clash club, played by
01:16:32.419 --> 01:16:34.381
[UNKNOWN]: is damn sexy in this movie.
01:16:34.502 --> 01:16:42.533
[UNKNOWN]: He's just he just exudes like you you see him walk into room and you're just like he's gonna have sex with three people tonight.
01:16:43.675 --> 01:16:46.539
[UNKNOWN]: Just because as a matter of principle.
01:16:48.494 --> 01:17:10.341
[UNKNOWN]: And when it's just standing next to this guy and realizing that this guy who comes from nothing, it isn't, you know, as well Red is Anthony Burden is, is a sexual powerhouse who everyone loves is just instantly shrinks and down to nothing all over again, and over the course of the summer, he starts, you know, getting to know the chef and developing a sort of, uh, uh,
01:17:10.961 --> 01:17:24.299
[UNKNOWN]: a mentor relationship and that entire time he's still being a piece of shit all the fucking time he ends up making really terrible choices that really hurt a lot of people who didn't deserve it and
01:17:26.061 --> 01:17:38.604
[UNKNOWN]: at the end, things get slightly better, and that's kind of the whole movie, it's not the end of his journey, it's not him becoming great, it's just him being able to be honest with himself and stop putting on airs.
01:17:39.605 --> 01:17:51.188
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that's a great story, in many respects it's sort of formulaic, I have never seen the TV series The Bear, I know a lot of people love it, I saw Tony with my girlfriend,
01:17:51.748 --> 01:17:56.592
[UNKNOWN]: and she had seen the bear, and she was like, you know, it's a lot of that's really similar to the bear.
01:17:57.373 --> 01:18:02.016
[UNKNOWN]: And I mean, that's, so, which is fine, understanding that like, the other people might be distracted.
01:18:02.076 --> 01:18:02.797
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, she was.
01:18:02.857 --> 01:18:12.905
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, there's a whole cable network, the food network, which is about, you know, there are many, many shows about life in a kitchen, Gordon Ramsay sort of exploded that made it kind of popularized it.
01:18:13.686 --> 01:18:18.369
[UNKNOWN]: My girlfriend specifically referenced like narrative tropes and character types.
01:18:19.342 --> 01:18:25.567
[UNKNOWN]: Um, which made it sound like a little bit more and I'm just me it may just be a coincidence, but made it sound like a little bit more distracting again.
01:18:25.707 --> 01:18:27.669
[UNKNOWN]: I'm I'm relaying second information here.
01:18:27.689 --> 01:18:28.690
[UNKNOWN]: That's not my critique.
01:18:28.790 --> 01:18:39.118
[UNKNOWN]: It was just something that I heard by point is that I feel like a lot of people might come into this the film having seen an incredibly popular show about a similar topic and I didn't.
01:18:39.913 --> 01:18:48.620
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so I wasn't distracted by any of that, and I still found it a little formulaic in the sort of coming of age, summer, I turned foody kind of way.
01:18:49.941 --> 01:18:51.682
[UNKNOWN]: But it's also just really well made.
01:18:52.002 --> 01:18:56.366
[UNKNOWN]: I think Matt Johnson, if you watch his film, Nirvana the Bandit Show, the movie.
01:18:58.847 --> 01:19:04.131
[UNKNOWN]: He made two films about dudes who are kind of assholes.
01:19:04.939 --> 01:19:05.219
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:19:05.419 --> 01:19:12.202
[UNKNOWN]: And yet, we, he finds a reason to care about them, they've not necessarily always loved them, but to care about them.
01:19:12.222 --> 01:19:14.003
[UNKNOWN]: You find something real underneath that.
01:19:14.563 --> 01:19:17.965
[UNKNOWN]: What does that as holishness stem from?
01:19:18.085 --> 01:19:25.689
[UNKNOWN]: What human quality does this seemingly inhuman behavior stem from?
01:19:27.535 --> 01:19:32.021
[UNKNOWN]: well also just fully embracing the fact that you're going to think these guys are assholes a lot of the time.
01:19:32.982 --> 01:19:34.423
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that's a really great approach.
01:19:36.105 --> 01:19:43.314
[UNKNOWN]: I know some people have a different relationship with Anthony Burden and maybe they wanted to see the more magnanimous
01:19:44.382 --> 01:19:54.587
[UNKNOWN]: later version of him, but I think this is a bold choice, and I think it's a very, very enjoyable film, and I like to quite a bit.
01:19:54.827 --> 01:20:07.133
[UNKNOWN]: I do believe, however, that it is interesting that, you know, it's dominant excesses film, and yet Antonio Benderis and especially Leo Woodall kind of acts circles around him, like he's good, but he's doing his guy from the holdovers.
01:20:07.613 --> 01:20:31.849
[UNKNOWN]: Whereas, at Thunderbendaris is playing a very interesting character and Leo Woodall is very, very interesting, a very specific character, and I feel like Matt Johnson and the cast were a little bit more interested in them than they were in Anthony Pradayne, or at least Thundic Cessus Performance is Anthony Pradayne, and certainly more than the character played by Amelia Jones, who Pradayne came to the chase, who is,
01:20:37.792 --> 01:20:45.943
[UNKNOWN]: So, again, it has issues, but I do think it mostly works, and I do like the overall approach to the biographical genre.
01:20:47.024 --> 01:20:51.030
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, I'm going to move on through these last three, these are genre films, and
01:20:53.647 --> 01:20:56.049
[UNKNOWN]: That only one of them is kind of good.
01:20:56.069 --> 01:21:01.553
[UNKNOWN]: So tell me about one of the bad ones because I've heard a lot of negative things about Eli Roth's ice cream man.
01:21:02.113 --> 01:21:03.674
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, there's a lot of bad things to say about it.
01:21:04.215 --> 01:21:05.455
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:21:05.516 --> 01:21:12.360
[UNKNOWN]: The question no one has been able to answer me is, is this a remake of the Clint Howard film from the late 90s?
01:21:13.021 --> 01:21:13.982
[UNKNOWN]: It is not.
01:21:15.042 --> 01:21:19.767
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, because I've absolutely 100% not the ice cream man from the late 90s.
01:21:19.787 --> 01:21:25.532
[UNKNOWN]: The Clint Howard is I think a little too obscure for all of critics to really cite as inspiration for this one.
01:21:25.592 --> 01:21:39.185
[UNKNOWN]: So as I still unclear I'm sure it was I'm sure that if it was a remake of ice cream man even if it had said so in the credits a lot of people who would see this movie would not even have that point of comparison
01:21:39.767 --> 01:21:51.978
[UNKNOWN]: uh... but no it's not it is about uh... it's more of a pipe paper kind of story um... it takes place in this very small very idyllic uh... community uh... it's it's the start of the summer is only two days left to school
01:21:52.873 --> 01:22:09.880
[UNKNOWN]: and there is a new ice cream van that is making the rounds around town on hot days and they're selling very weird, unusual brands of ice cream and giving all the kids ice cream and then later that night the ice cream van starts driving through town.
01:22:09.900 --> 01:22:11.700
[UNKNOWN]: It's a little bit like weapons actually in a way.
01:22:12.621 --> 01:22:21.584
[UNKNOWN]: The ice cream van starts going through town and playing their weird jingle and all of the children who ate the ice cream and we're saying little kits like nine in ten.
01:22:22.343 --> 01:22:22.623
[UNKNOWN]: Uh-huh.
01:22:23.423 --> 01:22:23.984
[UNKNOWN]: They get up.
01:22:25.564 --> 01:22:32.627
[UNKNOWN]: They grab something, uh, uh, a weapon of some kind, and they brutally murder their parents.
01:22:33.667 --> 01:22:36.528
[UNKNOWN]: And a very gory, disgusting way.
01:22:36.909 --> 01:22:43.851
[UNKNOWN]: Sometimes, honestly, that's most of the movie is just kids killing adults, which is children of corn.
01:22:43.871 --> 01:22:44.572
[UNKNOWN]: It's children of the corn.
01:22:49.907 --> 01:22:57.216
[UNKNOWN]: I think that the killer kids sub-genre is always really fascinating because, hang on, well done, thank you.
01:22:57.536 --> 01:23:02.221
[UNKNOWN]: Well done on that one, children of the corner, I don't want that to just slide by.
01:23:02.822 --> 01:23:03.122
[UNKNOWN]: Good job.
01:23:03.142 --> 01:23:04.484
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, thank you.
01:23:04.644 --> 01:23:09.810
[UNKNOWN]: Normally, you don't want to engage with the puns, so I think this is a huge compliment.
01:23:10.262 --> 01:23:16.105
[UNKNOWN]: But no, I think the killer kid genre is something that is really fascinating because it's really terrifying in its premise.
01:23:16.125 --> 01:23:18.806
[UNKNOWN]: We look at children and we see a sense of innocence.
01:23:18.826 --> 01:23:20.667
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, some kids are our beliefs.
01:23:22.118 --> 01:23:48.163
[UNKNOWN]: At some kids are mean for the sake of being mean, we've all had that experience, but for the most part we look at kids as, you know, I Dillick maybe a blank slate that will, you know, develop later and come in to hopefully a really good person and To watch a film like children of the corn or or I think then infinitely superior version of this the best version of this name was ever done The original Spanish film who can kill a child
01:23:49.019 --> 01:24:09.254
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, which is absolutely fucked up and terrifying, um, but the sea children who are not only immoral, but like, sadistic and violent, and to experience this from the perspective of adults who can't process what's happening.
01:24:09.274 --> 01:24:12.517
[UNKNOWN]: Like, what do I, I can't defend myself?
01:24:13.177 --> 01:24:14.118
[UNKNOWN]: They're a child.
01:24:14.158 --> 01:24:16.640
[UNKNOWN]: I have this innate human instinct to protect children.
01:24:17.738 --> 01:24:21.519
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and that leaves you vulnerable when those children become weaponized.
01:24:21.779 --> 01:24:30.340
[UNKNOWN]: And, you know, I mean, something like you can kill a child, it's just sort of this pure, insidious, not very well explained by levelance in children of the porn.
01:24:30.360 --> 01:24:40.002
[UNKNOWN]: A lot of the mayhem is actually off camera, which I think makes it a lot less scary, but it's more of a religious cult thing, which is kind of scary
01:24:44.697 --> 01:25:01.982
[UNKNOWN]: And a nice screen man, it's a magic ice cream and the magic ice cream makes all the kids, you know, they're they're cutting off their parents had there's one weird one where the kids tell their dad, hey, I dropped my friendship bracelet down the garbage disposal and he's like, well, can that wait till morning?
01:25:02.202 --> 01:25:03.103
[UNKNOWN]: No, I need it now.
01:25:03.143 --> 01:25:09.485
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, okay, and then he puts his hand down the garbage disposal and the kid walks across the the room.
01:25:10.525 --> 01:25:23.633
[UNKNOWN]: Like the opposite side of the room from the sink flips a switch and the garbage disposal turns on and I'm like who did the wiring in your house that you don't have the switch next to the garbage disposal?
01:25:23.873 --> 01:25:27.736
[UNKNOWN]: And then on top of that they set them on fire and I'm just like, can't you put the hat on a hat?
01:25:28.796 --> 01:25:29.736
[UNKNOWN]: like just kill you down.
01:25:30.257 --> 01:25:34.038
[UNKNOWN]: Like there's so many easier ways to do this like you made this really complicated.
01:25:34.338 --> 01:25:40.000
[UNKNOWN]: I appreciate that like these kids have like been drained of every aspect of their personality except their creativity.
01:25:42.080 --> 01:25:49.883
[UNKNOWN]: And there's like one kid in town who didn't eat the ice cream because he's lactose intolerant and someone who is lactose intolerant, it's nice to see some representation.
01:25:50.943 --> 01:25:53.244
[UNKNOWN]: But an heroic representation nonetheless.
01:25:53.504 --> 01:25:55.645
[UNKNOWN]: And a couple of kids who just by chance didn't
01:25:58.073 --> 01:26:21.052
[UNKNOWN]: they're just it takes them a while to realize what's happening and then all of a sudden and then seriously just the majority of the movie is we thought of a different gag for how a kid could kill an adult and then we show it and it's really it's really gross but that's basically it and it is amazing like the first time you see it's small child like brutally murdered an adult this early on camera.
01:26:21.503 --> 01:26:27.485
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it's shocking, you know, it's not something I haven't seen before, but you know, it's still like, yeah, gross.
01:26:28.366 --> 01:26:30.586
[UNKNOWN]: And then the second time, it's like, okay, still gross.
01:26:31.367 --> 01:26:36.148
[UNKNOWN]: And then the 20th time, you're like, okay, do you have anything else?
01:26:36.749 --> 01:26:39.850
[UNKNOWN]: And by the millionth time, you're just like, so you had nothing.
01:26:41.030 --> 01:26:42.231
[UNKNOWN]: You had nothing.
01:26:42.291 --> 01:26:43.711
[UNKNOWN]: You had nothing to say.
01:26:44.332 --> 01:26:46.933
[UNKNOWN]: You had nothing to explore.
01:26:46.953 --> 01:27:02.899
[UNKNOWN]: You just think it's, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I
01:27:10.554 --> 01:27:17.760
[UNKNOWN]: is merely an excuse to get to this very unwholesome like our U.O.K.
01:27:18.540 --> 01:27:20.402
[UNKNOWN]: kind of glee he takes and killing people.
01:27:20.422 --> 01:27:26.146
[UNKNOWN]: And I know there's a lot of people who watch the horror genre, love the horror genre, who say was not the point.
01:27:26.727 --> 01:27:30.009
[UNKNOWN]: We can indulge in the grotesque and you're right.
01:27:31.050 --> 01:27:38.676
[UNKNOWN]: But when a certain amount of extremity goes a long way and if that's all you've got, you somehow manage to take something.
01:27:39.957 --> 01:27:42.759
[UNKNOWN]: you know, gruesome and wild and make it dull.
01:27:43.640 --> 01:27:46.702
[UNKNOWN]: Eventually, we find out the backstory of this ice cream, man.
01:27:47.903 --> 01:27:53.326
[UNKNOWN]: And honestly, I was hoping that they would be, and they would have it's really late in the movie.
01:27:53.727 --> 01:27:57.849
[UNKNOWN]: I was hoping that that would like maybe pull all this together somehow.
01:27:58.550 --> 01:28:01.532
[UNKNOWN]: And then as soon as they reveal it, I was like, oh, that makes it worse.
01:28:02.563 --> 01:28:09.188
[UNKNOWN]: Because it seems like, it seems like the ice cream man is actually punishing the wrong people for their sin.
01:28:09.488 --> 01:28:11.830
[UNKNOWN]: Like, they were someone who didn't do anything wrong.
01:28:12.650 --> 01:28:17.614
[UNKNOWN]: And then they were essentially crucified by the community and now they're taking revenge on the community.
01:28:17.734 --> 01:28:17.954
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:28:18.154 --> 01:28:18.614
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:28:18.674 --> 01:28:20.556
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, it's like, right now I'm straight up.
01:28:20.716 --> 01:28:22.797
[UNKNOWN]: It's like name right now I'm straight up Freddie didn't do it.
01:28:23.258 --> 01:28:24.759
[UNKNOWN]: If Freddie was was railroaded.
01:28:26.440 --> 01:28:27.080
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:28:27.301 --> 01:28:27.901
[UNKNOWN]: I see your point.
01:28:29.472 --> 01:28:47.484
[UNKNOWN]: I think the fact that he ended up just becoming a killer, kind of torpedoes the idea that he was martyred, but okay, but then like there's a couple of twists and then you realize that just like, oh, this movie has no consistent sense of right and wrong.
01:28:47.504 --> 01:28:50.326
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't mean that it needs to be a moral horror film.
01:28:50.847 --> 01:28:53.549
[UNKNOWN]: I mean that the character's motivation makes no sense.
01:28:54.909 --> 01:28:56.711
[UNKNOWN]: And it didn't need to make much sense.
01:28:59.777 --> 01:29:02.078
[UNKNOWN]: Right, Halloween doesn't have a motivation.
01:29:02.158 --> 01:29:03.038
[UNKNOWN]: That's the motivation.
01:29:03.078 --> 01:29:04.059
[UNKNOWN]: You can be that simple.
01:29:04.099 --> 01:29:04.699
[UNKNOWN]: You can do it.
01:29:05.259 --> 01:29:07.420
[UNKNOWN]: But if you're gonna do it, it needs the track.
01:29:08.240 --> 01:29:08.460
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:29:08.640 --> 01:29:09.501
[UNKNOWN]: And it doesn't.
01:29:09.621 --> 01:29:12.002
[UNKNOWN]: And it leaves a whole film feeling very, very pointless.
01:29:12.922 --> 01:29:16.243
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, and there's a few good gorgags in here.
01:29:16.263 --> 01:29:17.404
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not gonna pretend there isn't.
01:29:17.444 --> 01:29:21.945
[UNKNOWN]: Although I will say, Eli Roth did something that drove me, really did a lot of things to drove me nuts.
01:29:21.965 --> 01:29:24.006
[UNKNOWN]: But you did one thing that's just like almost unforgivable.
01:29:24.306 --> 01:29:28.088
[UNKNOWN]: There's a beginning of the movie where there's one guy who's like dating the kids older sister.
01:29:29.008 --> 01:29:32.412
[UNKNOWN]: and he keeps talking about how he started a lawn mowing service.
01:29:33.092 --> 01:29:35.715
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, okay, so I see where this is going.
01:29:35.735 --> 01:29:37.657
[UNKNOWN]: We've all seen Peter Jackson's dead alive.
01:29:38.437 --> 01:29:40.219
[UNKNOWN]: Clearly we're gonna do a lawn mower sequence.
01:29:41.020 --> 01:29:41.861
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, great.
01:29:42.662 --> 01:29:43.723
[UNKNOWN]: I look forward to it.
01:29:44.383 --> 01:29:45.845
[UNKNOWN]: And never happens.
01:29:46.505 --> 01:29:47.807
[UNKNOWN]: Doesn't even almost happen.
01:29:48.107 --> 01:29:49.168
[UNKNOWN]: Just never happens.
01:29:49.208 --> 01:29:50.930
[UNKNOWN]: And like, what are we even doing here?
01:29:52.106 --> 01:30:03.934
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I would not, you know, I'd rather apparently said that he didn't use any AI to make this movie and then someone pointed out that an AI company was credited and had something to do with like this sort of animation that's on like a phone or something.
01:30:04.655 --> 01:30:05.095
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:30:05.295 --> 01:30:09.398
[UNKNOWN]: And then, and then he was like, oh, right, yeah, I guess we did and I was just like, okay, I don't trust you.
01:30:09.698 --> 01:30:11.740
[UNKNOWN]: I would not be surprised if AI wrote this screenplay.
01:30:11.760 --> 01:30:13.001
[UNKNOWN]: That's how bad the screenplay is.
01:30:13.521 --> 01:30:16.263
[UNKNOWN]: That's how soulless and pointless the screenplay is.
01:30:16.603 --> 01:30:17.224
[UNKNOWN]: Profot that.
01:30:18.024 --> 01:30:28.611
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I've noticed about Eli Roth, it's a filmmaker, because I recall seeing us film the green and fur now, and I couldn't really discern what the point of that movie was.
01:30:29.852 --> 01:30:43.700
[UNKNOWN]: As far as I could tell, Eli Roth was like trying to sleep in and was woke up, woken up by like some protesters outside, and decided to make a movie about how those protesters are going to be killed by cannibals in the woods.
01:30:44.121 --> 01:30:45.682
[UNKNOWN]: Like that's been, it's the only point.
01:30:46.462 --> 01:30:55.966
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, he literally, like recently said that Greta Thunberg should be eaten by cannibals for protesting against, you know, what was happening in Gaza.
01:30:56.546 --> 01:30:56.706
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:30:56.986 --> 01:30:59.347
[UNKNOWN]: So I think you might be on to something there.
01:31:00.768 --> 01:31:04.609
[UNKNOWN]: So he clearly like has it in for somebody.
01:31:04.749 --> 01:31:11.212
[UNKNOWN]: His films tend to be these kind of gross revenge fantasies that he's using movie violence against.
01:31:13.682 --> 01:31:23.869
[UNKNOWN]: I remember at the end of the green in front of he actually even listed other like really super gory zombie movies that inspired this film films like cannibal holocaust and cannibal ferrox.
01:31:26.391 --> 01:31:30.895
[UNKNOWN]: He is one of the least thoughtful directors I can think of.
01:31:31.675 --> 01:31:35.658
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like he has no idea anything it's just completely nihilistic.
01:31:36.849 --> 01:31:42.233
[UNKNOWN]: you know, I think I think there's only three things that Eli Roth has, and I haven't seen all of his movies, but I've seen most.
01:31:42.733 --> 01:31:45.315
[UNKNOWN]: There's only three things he's made that I thought were pretty good.
01:31:45.836 --> 01:31:52.621
[UNKNOWN]: One was the first hostile, which I thought at least had some good acting in it, and the pacing was strong, and the premise was really disturbing.
01:31:53.628 --> 01:32:04.336
[UNKNOWN]: Um, the other one was the house of the clock in its walls, which I think he was basically just a work for hire, and he was handed a good YA story, and he just had to not screw it up.
01:32:04.916 --> 01:32:14.783
[UNKNOWN]: And the other thing was the trailer, the fake trailer for Thanksgiving in the movie Grindhouse, which, yeah, I can handle Eli Roth for two minutes.
01:32:16.524 --> 01:32:19.266
[UNKNOWN]: For two minutes what he does can be amusing.
01:32:19.870 --> 01:32:34.720
[UNKNOWN]: But honestly, it's been a really long time since I've seen an Eli rather original that wasn't at best grading or it was made me just feel like I don't want to hang out with you and I want to hang out with a lot of horror filmmakers.
01:32:34.740 --> 01:32:35.781
[UNKNOWN]: People who make fucked up shit.
01:32:36.381 --> 01:32:39.483
[UNKNOWN]: But I get the impression that they're human being and they're being thoughtful about it.
01:32:40.237 --> 01:32:44.378
[UNKNOWN]: And I do not get that impression from Eli Roth, but this is not about necessarily judging it was a filmmaker.
01:32:44.398 --> 01:32:45.698
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to judge him for using AI.
01:32:46.199 --> 01:32:49.499
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to judge him for some of the things he said politically, but I'm just judging the film right now.
01:32:50.179 --> 01:32:56.281
[UNKNOWN]: If you didn't know who Eli Roth was, I scream and fucking sucks, but I will say this.
01:32:56.761 --> 01:33:00.162
[UNKNOWN]: The people who did the Gore effects brought their A game, they're very good.
01:33:00.903 --> 01:33:06.805
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, and if a film is just a set piece for Gore, I'm okay with that.
01:33:08.265 --> 01:33:12.366
[UNKNOWN]: It needs to be Gore with a function or a purpose or something interesting about it.
01:33:12.386 --> 01:33:16.108
[UNKNOWN]: I'm thinking of a dead-a-life or a brain dead, Peter Jackson's movie.
01:33:17.568 --> 01:33:21.070
[UNKNOWN]: There's a story in there somewhere like there's a story that seems forward.
01:33:21.570 --> 01:33:27.053
[UNKNOWN]: There's a story, but there's also like an attitude, actually, is making this really broad slapstick comedy.
01:33:27.073 --> 01:33:28.434
[UNKNOWN]: There's a tone to this thing.
01:33:28.474 --> 01:33:29.675
[UNKNOWN]: There's a good sense of pacing.
01:33:30.295 --> 01:33:32.676
[UNKNOWN]: And it's not just storytelling, it's really hilarious.
01:33:36.258 --> 01:33:36.759
[UNKNOWN]: That's a good point.
01:33:36.779 --> 01:33:44.766
[UNKNOWN]: You don't have to have a great story to do a gross out movie, but you do need to understand storytelling because there needs to be pacing.
01:33:44.886 --> 01:33:46.407
[UNKNOWN]: There needs to be build-up.
01:33:46.427 --> 01:33:48.829
[UNKNOWN]: There needs to be a moment where you're like, oh, not that guy.
01:33:49.630 --> 01:33:49.830
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:33:49.990 --> 01:33:52.853
[UNKNOWN]: You know, something, and here you just feel nothing all the way through it.
01:33:53.693 --> 01:33:55.435
[UNKNOWN]: And it just gets real boring real fast.
01:33:55.475 --> 01:33:57.577
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm so worried I just want to move on.
01:33:58.658 --> 01:34:01.881
[UNKNOWN]: There's another film that is comedic and it's
01:34:03.510 --> 01:34:05.877
[UNKNOWN]: But it's also not great, it's super troopers three.
01:34:06.601 --> 01:34:14.886
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, it's a latest film from the Broken Lizard comedy troupe who had made a film prior to super troopers, but that was their big breakout movie and the early 2000s.
01:34:14.946 --> 01:34:23.552
[UNKNOWN]: It was a wacky slob's versus snob's comedy about highway patrolmen and I can't remember if it's a Vermont or New Hampshire.
01:34:23.912 --> 01:34:24.993
[UNKNOWN]: It's a new movie.
01:34:25.373 --> 01:34:29.896
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's very out because there's the rumor like maple syrup drinking contests and stuff.
01:34:30.336 --> 01:34:32.237
[UNKNOWN]: I think the maple syrup in New Hampshire, the point is that
01:34:34.539 --> 01:34:37.680
[UNKNOWN]: And Vermont is known for its maple syrup, sir.
01:34:38.401 --> 01:34:43.284
[UNKNOWN]: If we have any Vermont listeners, they would take offense to you conflating the maple syrup from a new hand.
01:34:43.384 --> 01:34:47.386
[UNKNOWN]: I was pretty sure it's Vermont, and I didn't want to pause the podcast to check.
01:34:48.247 --> 01:34:49.808
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure it's Vermont.
01:34:51.028 --> 01:34:52.970
[UNKNOWN]: If you're wrong, someone gets to punch me in the arm.
01:34:53.490 --> 01:34:54.451
[UNKNOWN]: One person though.
01:34:54.531 --> 01:34:55.671
[UNKNOWN]: First come first served.
01:34:56.212 --> 01:34:57.012
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
01:34:57.632 --> 01:34:59.393
[UNKNOWN]: And you have to be able to explain why you did it.
01:34:59.413 --> 01:35:00.134
[UNKNOWN]: Otherwise, I'm going to be met.
01:35:01.076 --> 01:35:09.220
[UNKNOWN]: If you can explain cool fair enough, but anyway super troopers, you know, the first one's very very funny It's Genuinely got a lot of great comic set pieces.
01:35:09.240 --> 01:35:13.962
[UNKNOWN]: There's this wonderful recurring gag where these You know, these guys are pulling people over for speeding.
01:35:14.102 --> 01:35:19.105
[UNKNOWN]: They don't give a shit They're just using it as an excuse to pull pranks
01:35:20.245 --> 01:35:32.648
[UNKNOWN]: Basically, there's this one really great bit where they realize that these kids are like driving well high and They like pull them over, but then they start driving back and forth past them real fast And they just like freaking out and they don't know what's happening.
01:35:32.668 --> 01:35:42.730
[UNKNOWN]: There's another one where it's they pull over Behind the car that's already been pulled over a full of the high kids and they say could you pull over their freaking we can't pull over anymore We don't know what what's happening.
01:35:42.750 --> 01:35:48.932
[UNKNOWN]: We don't know what to do That's funny because they feel like they're in trouble, but it's also kind of low stakes and it's a great
01:35:49.808 --> 01:35:51.829
[UNKNOWN]: It's a great recurring gag, and you can always come up with something fun.
01:35:53.029 --> 01:35:57.331
[UNKNOWN]: The sequel came out many years later, and it's mostly just okay.
01:35:57.771 --> 01:36:01.673
[UNKNOWN]: It has one of the funniest openings of any comedy I've seen in many, many years.
01:36:01.713 --> 01:36:07.095
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was so upset to find that that was a dream sequence.
01:36:07.135 --> 01:36:12.077
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, the first, seven minutes of SuperTubers, too, is the only part worth watching.
01:36:12.858 --> 01:36:13.078
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:36:13.730 --> 01:36:15.710
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, it's genuinely, yeah, it's genuinely quite genius.
01:36:15.730 --> 01:36:17.231
[UNKNOWN]: And then about the movie, you guys were okay.
01:36:17.271 --> 01:36:18.111
[UNKNOWN]: It's just kind of forgettable.
01:36:18.651 --> 01:36:21.391
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, another back with Super Troopers 3 and Super Troopers 3.
01:36:21.471 --> 01:36:27.392
[UNKNOWN]: Um, in my review, I described it less as like a sequel and more like a wellness check.
01:36:28.273 --> 01:36:30.233
[UNKNOWN]: Like we're just kind of like, oh, are they still here?
01:36:30.773 --> 01:36:31.633
[UNKNOWN]: Are they doing okay?
01:36:32.233 --> 01:36:37.914
[UNKNOWN]: And once I find that out, I can go like, I don't mean to hang out with them.
01:36:37.954 --> 01:36:41.495
[UNKNOWN]: I just want to make sure that there's, because I like the characters, I want to make sure they're okay.
01:36:41.932 --> 01:36:46.433
[UNKNOWN]: But if they're not going to like, if we're not going to do anything this time, I can go about my business.
01:36:47.473 --> 01:36:51.894
[UNKNOWN]: And this is just about one of the other super troopers, the one everyone hates.
01:36:52.814 --> 01:36:54.895
[UNKNOWN]: Farva, that's it.
01:36:55.335 --> 01:36:55.575
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry.
01:36:56.255 --> 01:36:59.456
[UNKNOWN]: Farva is going to marry Thorny's sister.
01:36:59.496 --> 01:37:01.696
[UNKNOWN]: Thorny is the defacto leader of the super troopers.
01:37:01.736 --> 01:37:03.917
[UNKNOWN]: He's played by director J. Chandra Sankar.
01:37:05.117 --> 01:37:05.237
[UNKNOWN]: And
01:37:06.927 --> 01:37:10.348
[UNKNOWN]: He hates Farva, Farva's one of the worst human beings imaginable.
01:37:10.408 --> 01:37:18.890
[UNKNOWN]: Imagine if like, imagine Bouger from revenge of the nerds if he was a million times worse, but that's Farva.
01:37:19.350 --> 01:37:24.292
[UNKNOWN]: And now he's gonna marry his sister and he's just like, well, I have to stop this wedding and that's it.
01:37:25.112 --> 01:37:30.573
[UNKNOWN]: And the movie I kept thinking of while I was watching Super Troopers 3 and this is not a compliment.
01:37:37.888 --> 01:38:04.941
[UNKNOWN]: Which was the TV movie sequel to revenge of the nerds the one that you make because you can Not because anyone demanded it, but because like yeah, we can get we can get that one Carrying we can get them you know like we can we can do that and we can just half-ass some shit and then we'll call her into the nerds and we'll be good and
01:38:06.682 --> 01:38:07.986
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's, that's what it is.
01:38:08.006 --> 01:38:11.355
[UNKNOWN]: It's a very super trooper's wedding, and it's not a very good super trooper's wedding.
01:38:12.759 --> 01:38:12.999
[UNKNOWN]: There's,
01:38:15.238 --> 01:38:16.099
[UNKNOWN]: one good joke.
01:38:16.479 --> 01:38:17.279
[UNKNOWN]: There's two good jokes.
01:38:17.599 --> 01:38:23.802
[UNKNOWN]: There's one bit where Farva at his bachelor party wants to do a bunch of weird shit because of course he does.
01:38:24.123 --> 01:38:32.627
[UNKNOWN]: But the one that's like, because the thing with the other super troopers movies and even the other broken lizard movies is even when they're not great, there's usually like a couple of really inspired comedic scenes.
01:38:33.447 --> 01:38:38.370
[UNKNOWN]: Like I forgot most of beer fest, but there are parts of beer fest I will never forget until I die.
01:38:42.163 --> 01:39:05.598
[UNKNOWN]: there's a scene where far above for his back support he says as you all know i'm allergic to shellfish and they're like we didn't know that and spot uh this is my last night is free man so i'm gonna eat this entire lobster and i'm gonna and he throws everyone an epi pen and he just says you are not allowed to hit me with the
01:39:06.648 --> 01:39:17.898
[UNKNOWN]: until I give the safe word and then he just starts pounding this lobster and turning bright red and when everyone tries to hit him with an epipen, he inexplicably fights them off.
01:39:18.239 --> 01:39:23.864
[UNKNOWN]: Like he's the incredible hook, like you can't breathe, but he's not like he's accidentally like waving his arms.
01:39:23.884 --> 01:39:27.047
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, no, I will finish this lobster with no epipen.
01:39:27.807 --> 01:39:29.709
[UNKNOWN]: It's so absurd.
01:39:29.869 --> 01:39:31.030
[UNKNOWN]: I kind of had to cheer.
01:39:31.090 --> 01:39:32.131
[UNKNOWN]: And then there was one,
01:39:33.005 --> 01:39:40.730
[UNKNOWN]: Dakota, about these two characters, and there's a little twist with what they were doing the whole movie that is genuinely quite inspired.
01:39:41.351 --> 01:39:44.113
[UNKNOWN]: It's not worth watching the whole movie to get to those.
01:39:44.133 --> 01:39:57.002
[UNKNOWN]: The rest of the movie is very perfunctory, it's very half-hearted, I did appreciate, I'm one of the people at any time I see someone from dropout, the streaming network, I'm going, hey, so it was nice to see Lisa Gil, right?
01:39:57.822 --> 01:39:58.283
[UNKNOWN]: Nice.
01:39:59.032 --> 01:40:01.314
[UNKNOWN]: They don't know, they're chasing it to do enough, but it's nice to see her.
01:40:02.074 --> 01:40:03.395
[UNKNOWN]: And that's it, really.
01:40:03.516 --> 01:40:06.438
[UNKNOWN]: If you like the other Super Troopers movies, this is the worst one.
01:40:07.118 --> 01:40:18.968
[UNKNOWN]: But it's not like so terrible or anything that you should avoid it, but I think it's literally just only for people who love the Super Troopers movie and won't mind that this isn't the good one because they just like the characters.
01:40:19.568 --> 01:40:24.313
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's the, that's been sort of the thing about broken wizards movies in general.
01:40:25.394 --> 01:40:28.556
[UNKNOWN]: They're, they're like national ampune light.
01:40:28.997 --> 01:40:32.140
[UNKNOWN]: They know how to be shocking, but they know where the line is.
01:40:32.180 --> 01:40:34.942
[UNKNOWN]: They know never to sort of cross and start punching down.
01:40:35.423 --> 01:40:37.144
[UNKNOWN]: Their movie is generally a pretty,
01:40:38.155 --> 01:40:59.233
[UNKNOWN]: Afable rather than fold on funny the first super tippers is really funny But you watch something like the slamming salmon and it's like um, there's a lot of Funny bits in that but I would never declare that one to be a comedy classic, you know No, no, I agree Well, I think it was how slamming salmon but I would definitely agree about quasi They're weird quasi-modo.
01:40:59.933 --> 01:41:06.419
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, parody that a few years ago, which I Mean I'm that's one of those ones where it's just like
01:41:08.220 --> 01:41:09.321
[UNKNOWN]: Who asked for that?
01:41:10.622 --> 01:41:17.168
[UNKNOWN]: Like nobody was saying, now is the time for a hunchback of Notre Dame, Mel Brooksy and Riff.
01:41:17.649 --> 01:41:23.774
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, I just, I don't know where the demand was, it's an inspired, this idea.
01:41:24.858 --> 01:41:52.534
[UNKNOWN]: kind of random if it was funny it would have worked and that is not the thing you want to say about a comedy if it was funny it would have worked that's it's an anecdote I've said a few times before but when I was a little kid and the supermerber the movie it come out the Bob Hoskins John like wasama one that everyone hated at the time and finally has somewhat positive cult representation now but I wanted to see it and my parents were like
01:41:54.642 --> 01:41:58.404
[UNKNOWN]: all of my hopes were on Cisco and Ebert.
01:41:58.844 --> 01:42:04.146
[UNKNOWN]: That's like if they have anything nice to say about this movie, I can convince my parents to take and see Super Mario Brothers the movie.
01:42:04.727 --> 01:42:06.027
[UNKNOWN]: And they eviscerated it.
01:42:06.327 --> 01:42:09.749
[UNKNOWN]: The closest thing they said to a compliment, I glomed on to.
01:42:10.249 --> 01:42:13.651
[UNKNOWN]: They said, you know, if this had had a good script, it might have worked.
01:42:14.211 --> 01:42:16.912
[UNKNOWN]: And I just said, see mom, if it had a good script, it would be good.
01:42:17.132 --> 01:42:18.773
[UNKNOWN]: And my mom was like, that means it's bad.
01:42:20.053 --> 01:42:30.095
[UNKNOWN]: Like any movie would be better with a better script like the apartment if you could make a better script in the apartment the apartment would be better.
01:42:31.208 --> 01:42:34.690
[UNKNOWN]: Like it is just not even worth mentioning all that.
01:42:35.031 --> 01:42:42.275
[UNKNOWN]: I think Gene Cisco actually brought up that point where somebody set one of the two of them said, well, if it had a better script, it would be better.
01:42:42.375 --> 01:42:45.017
[UNKNOWN]: And the other one said, that's a meaningless criticism.
01:42:45.037 --> 01:42:46.158
[UNKNOWN]: You could say that about any movie.
01:42:46.178 --> 01:42:46.358
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:42:47.199 --> 01:42:54.183
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I think the generous thing that they were trying to say was that theoretically, there's no reason why Super Mario Brothers movie had to be bad.
01:42:54.924 --> 01:42:57.045
[UNKNOWN]: You would have just had to write a better script for it.
01:42:57.085 --> 01:42:59.567
[UNKNOWN]: Like the conceptually, it isn't necessarily.
01:43:00.046 --> 01:43:02.167
[UNKNOWN]: bad that they did this, they just did it bad.
01:43:02.928 --> 01:43:07.471
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and again, you know, the movie is, I mean, it's not very good adaptation.
01:43:07.991 --> 01:43:11.474
[UNKNOWN]: Super Mario Brothers, but it's quirky and weird and it's fun, but like, no one was in time.
01:43:11.554 --> 01:43:12.214
[UNKNOWN]: I love that movie.
01:43:12.254 --> 01:43:12.554
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:43:13.175 --> 01:43:26.724
[UNKNOWN]: I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I don't necessarily I say I love it, but I have a lot of affection for it, and I appreciate how long, how bonkers it is, but my point is, my point is that at least, my mother's movie was weird.
01:43:29.402 --> 01:43:32.223
[UNKNOWN]: that weird, especially not by SuperTripist standards.
01:43:32.243 --> 01:43:33.824
[UNKNOWN]: So I really don't have much more to say about it.
01:43:33.844 --> 01:43:34.584
[UNKNOWN]: I'm eager to move on.
01:43:35.165 --> 01:43:36.845
[UNKNOWN]: There's one more film I wanted to discuss.
01:43:37.006 --> 01:43:40.607
[UNKNOWN]: It is the Netflix paranormal thriller The Last House.
01:43:42.208 --> 01:43:47.530
[UNKNOWN]: This movie stars a Wagner Mora from the secret agent,
01:43:53.442 --> 01:43:56.664
[UNKNOWN]: from, um, oh my god, why am I blanking on this?
01:43:57.765 --> 01:43:59.326
[UNKNOWN]: The Oscar nominated film she was in.
01:44:00.927 --> 01:44:02.348
[UNKNOWN]: With the sleep songs, first film.
01:44:03.369 --> 01:44:05.330
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, um, Dukali.
01:44:05.390 --> 01:44:05.951
[UNKNOWN]: The good one.
01:44:06.091 --> 01:44:06.551
[UNKNOWN]: Wow.
01:44:07.071 --> 01:44:09.573
[UNKNOWN]: I am the worst film critic who ever lived right now.
01:44:10.479 --> 01:44:11.740
[UNKNOWN]: I am totally spacing out.
01:44:13.000 --> 01:44:17.082
[UNKNOWN]: When in my computer is slow, please, please, please, please, stop, I can't cut this.
01:44:17.202 --> 01:44:20.204
[UNKNOWN]: I have to, and so humanizing.
01:44:20.484 --> 01:44:21.845
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, and I love that movie, too.
01:44:21.885 --> 01:44:22.345
[UNKNOWN]: It's a great movie.
01:44:22.405 --> 01:44:23.225
[UNKNOWN]: It's a great movie.
01:44:24.006 --> 01:44:24.966
[UNKNOWN]: My girlfriend's gonna kill me.
01:44:24.986 --> 01:44:25.887
[UNKNOWN]: She loves this movie.
01:44:26.107 --> 01:44:28.768
[UNKNOWN]: It's called, Tron Aries.
01:44:29.409 --> 01:44:30.929
[UNKNOWN]: Tron Aries, that was it.
01:44:31.009 --> 01:44:35.612
[UNKNOWN]: Brilliant movie, spoke to the many great human wonders.
01:44:36.658 --> 01:44:47.366
[UNKNOWN]: of being a tron right like who doesn't love who doesn't love being a tron right past lives past lives that was it.
01:44:47.446 --> 01:44:48.106
[UNKNOWN]: I love past lives.
01:44:48.126 --> 01:44:48.927
[UNKNOWN]: I got there on my own.
01:44:49.067 --> 01:44:50.368
[UNKNOWN]: I got there on my own past lives.
01:44:50.428 --> 01:44:50.728
[UNKNOWN]: Okay
01:44:51.459 --> 01:44:53.420
[UNKNOWN]: Man, 44 is no joke.
01:44:54.120 --> 01:44:56.141
[UNKNOWN]: 44 ages, does all of a sudden it's going downhill.
01:44:58.181 --> 01:45:01.682
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, Gretelian and Wagnermore, they play parents of two kids.
01:45:02.403 --> 01:45:03.503
[UNKNOWN]: They live in the suburbs.
01:45:03.643 --> 01:45:05.484
[UNKNOWN]: They're not doing great.
01:45:06.224 --> 01:45:08.745
[UNKNOWN]: He's an engineer, this is the career isn't going good.
01:45:08.845 --> 01:45:10.665
[UNKNOWN]: I forget what she says she does for a living.
01:45:11.425 --> 01:45:14.987
[UNKNOWN]: And he's also a fisherman, good for him.
01:45:15.507 --> 01:45:17.347
[UNKNOWN]: And their house is starting to fall apart a bit.
01:45:19.838 --> 01:45:21.899
[UNKNOWN]: All right, we, here they are.
01:45:22.120 --> 01:45:22.440
[UNKNOWN]: They're here.
01:45:23.400 --> 01:45:26.983
[UNKNOWN]: And then the beginning of the movie, there's a storm kind of comes from out of nowhere.
01:45:28.003 --> 01:45:28.544
[UNKNOWN]: It's the town.
01:45:29.384 --> 01:45:34.307
[UNKNOWN]: And we, as the rain starts hitting the house, we get like a close-up of like the door.
01:45:34.768 --> 01:45:36.769
[UNKNOWN]: And we see the rain isn't just falling downward.
01:45:37.349 --> 01:45:43.793
[UNKNOWN]: It's like coating the door and like moving with intentionality like into the locks.
01:45:44.914 --> 01:45:49.157
[UNKNOWN]: And the next morning, they find that they can't leave the house.
01:45:50.418 --> 01:45:51.459
[UNKNOWN]: The doors don't open.
01:45:52.199 --> 01:45:53.660
[UNKNOWN]: The windows don't open.
01:45:54.441 --> 01:45:55.921
[UNKNOWN]: The windows don't break.
01:45:56.902 --> 01:46:01.245
[UNKNOWN]: The walls only break until you get to the outer wall and then there's nothing you can do.
01:46:02.525 --> 01:46:03.346
[UNKNOWN]: They're trapped.
01:46:04.287 --> 01:46:06.308
[UNKNOWN]: Like simply a little locked inside.
01:46:06.348 --> 01:46:06.668
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:46:06.808 --> 01:46:08.109
[UNKNOWN]: Supernaturally locked inside.
01:46:08.149 --> 01:46:09.510
[UNKNOWN]: We know it has something to do with the rain.
01:46:09.570 --> 01:46:11.511
[UNKNOWN]: It takes them a while to figure that out.
01:46:11.551 --> 01:46:17.114
[UNKNOWN]: Very Shyamalanesque kind of like, Ooh, isn't that creepy kind of way?
01:46:19.050 --> 01:46:23.413
[UNKNOWN]: And of course initially, they're like, okay, clearly this is a puzzle to be solved, we'll figure it out.
01:46:23.513 --> 01:46:26.295
[UNKNOWN]: Or, oh, I can see the neighbors have in the same problem somehow.
01:46:26.816 --> 01:46:29.938
[UNKNOWN]: Someone is going to come help and fix this because clearly this is a problem.
01:46:30.378 --> 01:46:30.999
[UNKNOWN]: And no one ever does.
01:46:31.659 --> 01:46:33.020
[UNKNOWN]: And everyone's just trapped in their houses.
01:46:33.720 --> 01:46:39.905
[UNKNOWN]: And, you know, the movie ad dares to ask the question, you know, what would it be like?
01:46:41.018 --> 01:46:53.003
[UNKNOWN]: If everyone was suddenly stuck in their houses for a really long time, and it's like, whoa, can you imagine, oh God, can you imagine how weird that would be?
01:46:53.023 --> 01:46:55.524
[UNKNOWN]: I know, what a concept.
01:46:56.605 --> 01:47:06.629
[UNKNOWN]: It's so weird because the movie, you know, Hollywood has this weird thing where there's a few movies, a few TV shows, which have embraced the idea that, you know, the pandemic
01:47:09.753 --> 01:47:09.933
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:47:10.413 --> 01:47:24.460
[UNKNOWN]: And people lived through it, people had experiences in it, people were changed by people, lost people or almost died or and they may be not embracing is the right word, but they accept the reality that we all went through this.
01:47:25.021 --> 01:47:28.502
[UNKNOWN]: But there's a lot of movie since TV shows that just pretend that didn't happen.
01:47:29.523 --> 01:47:29.743
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:47:29.823 --> 01:47:32.304
[UNKNOWN]: That's just like, and there's not a brighter than the script.
01:47:32.324 --> 01:47:32.585
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:47:33.025 --> 01:47:37.827
[UNKNOWN]: They don't know how to write into the script or there's this mentality of people don't want to even think about it, man.
01:47:38.287 --> 01:47:38.628
[UNKNOWN]: It's such
01:47:40.300 --> 01:47:42.983
[UNKNOWN]: And, you know, it still does in a lot of ways.
01:47:43.023 --> 01:47:45.265
[UNKNOWN]: It's just initially when we didn't know anything.
01:47:46.026 --> 01:47:51.591
[UNKNOWN]: And it was all very sudden and nobody had any answers and everyone was very afraid of everything.
01:47:52.292 --> 01:47:57.016
[UNKNOWN]: And, you know, I'm sure other people have this experience.
01:47:57.036 --> 01:48:03.823
[UNKNOWN]: But like, I had to drive around like all of LA County just to find toilet paper once.
01:48:04.713 --> 01:48:25.232
[UNKNOWN]: And I barely did like it was bad like and then you know, so we were all just like Oh, last can't a cream corn like it was it was difficult and it was sudden and no one was very few people at least were actually prepared for that kind of thing Um Just make a movie about that
01:48:26.560 --> 01:48:34.382
[UNKNOWN]: because this, the supernatural element of this is feel so arbitrary and force considering we know that this can literally basically just happen.
01:48:34.402 --> 01:48:38.203
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, literally you could go outside, but functionally you couldn't.
01:48:39.724 --> 01:48:45.305
[UNKNOWN]: And so here there's a magical paranormal sci-fi reason.
01:48:47.886 --> 01:48:49.066
[UNKNOWN]: And they're there for years.
01:48:50.166 --> 01:48:50.567
[UNKNOWN]: Oh gosh.
01:48:50.847 --> 01:48:53.187
[UNKNOWN]: And we're fair enough, right?
01:48:53.367 --> 01:48:54.047
[UNKNOWN]: But they can't go out.
01:48:54.067 --> 01:48:54.388
[UNKNOWN]: They can't
01:48:57.046 --> 01:49:11.455
[UNKNOWN]: And there's a moment later in the movie where someone just says like we didn't survive because we're special we survived because we got lucky and I was like, no you survived because of a unthinkable number of contrivances.
01:49:12.336 --> 01:49:15.618
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, dad's an engineer in a fisherman turns out we're going to need exactly those skills.
01:49:15.738 --> 01:49:17.659
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, your daughter was really into aerial silks.
01:49:17.739 --> 01:49:27.044
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to need those aerial silks otherwise we can't get out of the sand and and you know, there's a skill to that if you want to see contriven's done right.
01:49:28.785 --> 01:49:31.846
[UNKNOWN]: Watch the opening of home alone.
01:49:33.087 --> 01:49:37.169
[UNKNOWN]: Because the only way home alone can happen.
01:49:38.448 --> 01:49:43.310
[UNKNOWN]: is if a trillion little things happen, right?
01:49:44.531 --> 01:49:54.296
[UNKNOWN]: And the odds of them happening are infinitesimal, but the way John Hughes puts it together, the first time you watch it, it doesn't feel inorganic.
01:49:55.096 --> 01:49:58.398
[UNKNOWN]: It feels like a big coincidence, but it doesn't feel like, oh, that could never happen.
01:49:58.718 --> 01:50:03.120
[UNKNOWN]: You watch it again and you realize, oh, everything he needs is in that house.
01:50:03.957 --> 01:50:14.188
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, that's a huge one if buzz didn't have like his savings like in that box Kevin screwed like the whole movie falls apart You need everything in that house.
01:50:14.208 --> 01:50:21.155
[UNKNOWN]: You need every little tiny miscommunication that leads to them leaving Kevin home and then they can't get back to him in time
01:50:22.861 --> 01:50:23.662
[UNKNOWN]: There's a skill to that.
01:50:24.022 --> 01:50:28.105
[UNKNOWN]: And the last house doesn't completely with it, but they really should never have called attention to it.
01:50:28.646 --> 01:50:31.728
[UNKNOWN]: Because as soon as you do, it's like, oh, yeah, no, yeah.
01:50:31.888 --> 01:50:37.813
[UNKNOWN]: It's the reason you're the ones who are surviving right now is because you were the ones who had a screenwriter looking out for you.
01:50:40.435 --> 01:50:42.477
[UNKNOWN]: I will say this for the last house, because I don't hate this movie.
01:50:42.497 --> 01:50:43.878
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's a bad movie.
01:50:44.058 --> 01:50:46.240
[UNKNOWN]: I think it, oh, it thinks,
01:50:49.017 --> 01:50:56.500
[UNKNOWN]: And the fact that it pretends that the lockdown never happened and nobody ever references it, we kind of really brings it down a lot because it's such the elephant on the room.
01:50:57.160 --> 01:51:06.683
[UNKNOWN]: And it's just like, it's seriously fucked and we're on and we're going to leave to be saying like, okay, well, we've been through this before, at least initially, you know, it's like, okay, this is not unlike something we've done before.
01:51:06.783 --> 01:51:07.823
[UNKNOWN]: So we'll go through this again.
01:51:07.843 --> 01:51:08.984
[UNKNOWN]: We'll check see how many batteries we have.
01:51:09.024 --> 01:51:09.544
[UNKNOWN]: Yadiyada.
01:51:12.848 --> 01:51:17.050
[UNKNOWN]: And the other thing I do like about, well there's two other things like that, one, gradually invite them or are great actors.
01:51:17.670 --> 01:51:21.012
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, they don't have a ton to work with, but they may get work.
01:51:21.152 --> 01:51:24.034
[UNKNOWN]: This is one of those movies that is very saved by star power.
01:51:24.854 --> 01:51:33.018
[UNKNOWN]: Like it's just they're so fun, they're so good to watch some interesting to watch that even though it's not the greatest screenplay in the world, they carry it, they're very good.
01:51:33.638 --> 01:51:33.919
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:51:34.999 --> 01:51:40.722
[UNKNOWN]: The other thing I will say is that this could have been one of those movies where they never say what's going on.
01:51:41.643 --> 01:51:45.307
[UNKNOWN]: In the third act, we actually see some shit.
01:51:45.907 --> 01:51:47.889
[UNKNOWN]: I won't say what, because someone, you might want to see it.
01:51:49.831 --> 01:52:00.201
[UNKNOWN]: And the shit that we see puts this film squarely in a horror tradition that makes a lot of sense.
01:52:01.002 --> 01:52:02.304
[UNKNOWN]: And you don't necessarily see coming.
01:52:03.463 --> 01:52:09.727
[UNKNOWN]: And you might, because they play fair, but like, don't not necessarily, and then once they go there, you're just like, oh, I see what you did.
01:52:09.787 --> 01:52:11.528
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, that's kind of cool.
01:52:12.509 --> 01:52:14.670
[UNKNOWN]: That's a good visual effects, I'm down.
01:52:14.970 --> 01:52:24.276
[UNKNOWN]: So as a horror nerd, I appreciated where it ended up in terms of how the paranormal element escalates.
01:52:25.737 --> 01:52:30.220
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't appreciate where it ended up like sort of dramatically because it felt very forced.
01:52:31.561 --> 01:52:39.986
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, this for me is Netflix Saturday afternoon.
01:52:41.887 --> 01:52:50.592
[UNKNOWN]: If you have nothing to do on a Saturday afternoon and you put on Netflix and we say, hey, the last house, yeah, you'll like have like an okay time watching it.
01:52:51.232 --> 01:52:53.773
[UNKNOWN]: But it's clearly a series of missed opportunities.
01:52:53.833 --> 01:52:56.154
[UNKNOWN]: It's clearly a cast who was overqualified for this.
01:52:56.694 --> 01:52:58.214
[UNKNOWN]: It's clearly something that could have been better.
01:52:58.554 --> 01:53:00.455
[UNKNOWN]: But I also, it's not terrible.
01:53:00.575 --> 01:53:04.916
[UNKNOWN]: And more listing the reasons why it's not especially good than anything else.
01:53:05.236 --> 01:53:07.197
[UNKNOWN]: So, that is the last house.
01:53:07.497 --> 01:53:09.758
[UNKNOWN]: And that is it for our movie reviews.
01:53:09.858 --> 01:53:11.278
[UNKNOWN]: We're gonna review our movies.
01:53:12.259 --> 01:53:16.400
[UNKNOWN]: On the critically clean scale, got him tired.
01:53:18.511 --> 01:53:20.911
[UNKNOWN]: I have to write in publish like five reviews today.
01:53:21.011 --> 01:53:21.351
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:53:21.432 --> 01:53:21.632
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:53:21.652 --> 01:53:26.793
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, I know it sounds like I'm really, you know, Oh, what a tragedy.
01:53:26.833 --> 01:53:28.894
[UNKNOWN]: Like it's a lot of work.
01:53:29.174 --> 01:53:31.075
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, but anyway, I'm just tired.
01:53:31.615 --> 01:53:34.136
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we review movies on a scale of C minus to C plus.
01:53:34.956 --> 01:53:37.497
[UNKNOWN]: A C minus is a movie we consider below average.
01:53:37.517 --> 01:53:39.017
[UNKNOWN]: These are movies that we don't recommend.
01:53:39.137 --> 01:53:41.778
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe we're passionate about how much we don't recommend them.
01:53:41.818 --> 01:53:43.799
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe we're dispatched in it, but we just don't think they're very good.
01:53:44.634 --> 01:54:04.202
[UNKNOWN]: A C is an average movie, these are movies that we think are just okay, or mediocre, or good for one audience, bad for another audience, and then a C plus is a movie that is above average, these are movies that we genuinely recommend whether we think they're instant classics are just really fun on that note, the last house, a really good example of a C.
01:54:05.234 --> 01:54:09.916
[UNKNOWN]: It's not going to blow your mind, but it will carry your interest.
01:54:09.936 --> 01:54:12.877
[UNKNOWN]: There are things about it that definitely don't work and things about it that definitely do.
01:54:12.957 --> 01:54:15.738
[UNKNOWN]: It kind of averages out to just okay.
01:54:16.658 --> 01:54:24.180
[UNKNOWN]: Supertubers 3 is dispassionate C-minus, like it's not like miserable, but all these people can be funnier.
01:54:24.921 --> 01:54:32.703
[UNKNOWN]: And there's not really a particularly interesting reason to come back at this point in their lives other than the check to see if they're still there and it turns out they are.
01:54:35.113 --> 01:54:58.771
[UNKNOWN]: ice cream in huge sea minus kudos to the gore to the practical gore a team they did a great job but ely Roth really shits the bad in the storytelling department like it's just a really not good movie and you know yeah okay there's some novelty in some of the kills but you can't build a whole movie around that without getting boring and ely Roth can't figure out how to not
01:55:01.840 --> 01:55:03.461
[UNKNOWN]: Tony is a C++.
01:55:05.021 --> 01:55:08.963
[UNKNOWN]: It is not without it's drawbacks, but overall it really comes together.
01:55:08.983 --> 01:55:10.263
[UNKNOWN]: It's got a really good cast.
01:55:11.103 --> 01:55:16.005
[UNKNOWN]: And it's approach to Anthony Perdane as a work in progress.
01:55:16.685 --> 01:55:24.608
[UNKNOWN]: Who has a lot of work to do is very refreshing in a biopic environment where too often we just.
01:55:25.669 --> 01:55:29.311
[UNKNOWN]: We just settle for HGography, and this is absolutely not that.
01:55:29.431 --> 01:55:33.074
[UNKNOWN]: And I respect that, even if parts of it are in other ways, kind of formulaic.
01:55:33.974 --> 01:55:35.535
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
01:55:35.896 --> 01:55:39.058
[UNKNOWN]: And then on your angle, I want your sex.
01:55:40.198 --> 01:55:41.239
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to give us C++.
01:55:41.319 --> 01:55:43.680
[UNKNOWN]: I like sort of how Zesty and colorful it is.
01:55:44.061 --> 01:55:45.522
[UNKNOWN]: I like its attitudes about sex.
01:55:45.562 --> 01:55:46.682
[UNKNOWN]: It's very sex-positive.
01:55:46.702 --> 01:55:47.943
[UNKNOWN]: It's very kink-positive.
01:55:48.644 --> 01:55:53.267
[UNKNOWN]: But at the same time, it's also a pretty fun, nasty little, wicked detective story.
01:55:53.307 --> 01:55:54.147
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I recommend it.
01:55:54.447 --> 01:55:54.788
[UNKNOWN]: It's a C++.
01:55:56.033 --> 01:56:11.803
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, one night only one night only this is this one just a fended me this is like a terrible Terrible movie um, did I mention that it's a terrible Terrible movie.
01:56:11.883 --> 01:56:12.443
[UNKNOWN]: See minus.
01:56:12.683 --> 01:56:12.923
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:56:13.684 --> 01:56:20.948
[UNKNOWN]: This is a pro-fascist movie And I mean this in the negative way fuck this movie.
01:56:21.088 --> 01:56:23.810
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, this is not one not one you need to go.
01:56:23.870 --> 01:56:24.070
[UNKNOWN]: Okay
01:56:25.103 --> 01:56:32.245
[UNKNOWN]: the passionate response from Winnie, the finally teenage sex and death at Camp Niasma.
01:56:32.405 --> 01:56:33.566
[UNKNOWN]: I dug this movie a lot.
01:56:33.726 --> 01:56:35.406
[UNKNOWN]: I love it just so, so much.
01:56:36.667 --> 01:56:46.770
[UNKNOWN]: I think it has a lot of, it explores a lot of good ideas, just sort of about slasher movies and what I think is a really fascinating way.
01:56:47.570 --> 01:56:53.132
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's a good essay, but it's also a really good entertaining movie that's
01:56:55.232 --> 01:56:56.213
[UNKNOWN]: It's got everything.
01:56:56.413 --> 01:56:57.134
[UNKNOWN]: It's the whole animal.
01:56:57.734 --> 01:56:59.916
[UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, see-plus.
01:56:59.976 --> 01:57:02.097
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think I actually liked it even more than you.
01:57:02.618 --> 01:57:03.959
[UNKNOWN]: It's a huge C-plus for me.
01:57:04.339 --> 01:57:07.241
[UNKNOWN]: As I said, I think James Schoenbrand has by number.
01:57:07.281 --> 01:57:17.168
[UNKNOWN]: There aren't a lot of movies where I see myself in the narrative at all and even though in many respects, the characters have identities that don't have a lot of overlap with mine and many respects they do.
01:57:18.149 --> 01:57:19.509
[UNKNOWN]: And so this hit me very personally,
01:57:20.692 --> 01:57:21.632
[UNKNOWN]: It's a great love story.
01:57:21.652 --> 01:57:25.773
[UNKNOWN]: It is a great sort of sexual coming of age story.
01:57:26.293 --> 01:57:40.677
[UNKNOWN]: It is a great film about every way we look at the horror genre, specifically the slasher genre, and very specifically problematic horror movies, which mean a lot to us even when they let us down.
01:57:42.838 --> 01:57:55.060
[UNKNOWN]: It's a great love story too, it's just weirdly everything, and as with a lot of, well, as with Jane Choneburn's other movies, the more I think about it, the more I love it.
01:57:55.500 --> 01:57:58.981
[UNKNOWN]: So huge, huge C+, it's great.
01:58:00.021 --> 01:58:09.903
[UNKNOWN]: And that is it for critically acclaimed, I'll be back next week with reviews of the end of Oak Street, the Kristen Stewart-Elius shock hat stoner movie The Wrong Girls.
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01:58:57.506 --> 01:59:08.813
[UNKNOWN]: Whitney wrote a fantastic adendum to our most recent episode about Spider-Man brand new day, where he clarified some of his points and how personal
01:59:09.998 --> 01:59:27.458
[UNKNOWN]: uh... his reaction to the film was uh... in terms of what it means about being a workaholic what it means about uh... personal growth uh... what it means about you know the characters redemption um... i thought it was really illuminating and i'm really really glad uh... you were able to get that out
01:59:28.820 --> 01:59:31.421
[UNKNOWN]: That was one of those reviews that I kind of needed to write.
01:59:32.481 --> 01:59:35.042
[UNKNOWN]: There's stuff in here that I need just get off my chest.
01:59:35.102 --> 01:59:37.283
[UNKNOWN]: And that writing that essay was very helpful.
01:59:37.383 --> 01:59:39.163
[UNKNOWN]: So go ahead and read that.
01:59:39.463 --> 01:59:41.444
[UNKNOWN]: It's very first.
01:59:41.464 --> 01:59:46.665
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's very, very, very, it's very personal to me.
01:59:46.685 --> 01:59:52.467
[UNKNOWN]: And I think I said everything I needed to kind of in a way that you might be able to understand.
01:59:53.327 --> 01:59:54.907
[UNKNOWN]: And this heart comes back to our conversation
01:59:58.032 --> 02:00:06.517
[UNKNOWN]: You know, you found problems with the film and yet for better or worse, it really did hit you in a personal way.
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[UNKNOWN]: You weren't expecting that a lot of superhero movies did things bounce off of you.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: And this one, you had a reaction to it.
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[UNKNOWN]: That was very unexpected in person.
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[UNKNOWN]: I was glad you were able to write about that.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think it's really...
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[UNKNOWN]: I think, and I need to work on this more, I think film critics need to be more willing to confront our personal reactions to things.
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, Tom.
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[UNKNOWN]: In a way, but not in like, oh, I love this movie.
02:00:33.307 --> 02:00:38.112
[UNKNOWN]: I'm so fonding, or oh, I hate it, like, no, just on a personal, like in your soul, what does this mean?
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[UNKNOWN]: Right.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm sort of a almost confessional quality and I want to try to work on that at my writing so thank you to you and also thank you to Jane Shunder and for making me realize that I still assume room to grow.
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[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, and if you want to talk to me, I think we discussed in this episode, do you want to ask us any other questions?
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[UNKNOWN]: So thank you everybody once again and never forget everyone Here's a critic I want to go to the minashow I'm sorry I wet
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[UNKNOWN]: Hello everybody and welcome back to critically acclaimed to the movie review podcast where we Explode My name is William Bibi-Honey.
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[UNKNOWN]: I am a film critic and gosh darned everybody calls me bibs My name is Whitney Sybeld.
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[UNKNOWN]: I two am a film critic and You don't you don't have to call me anything cute.
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[UNKNOWN]: You can just call me hey you
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[UNKNOWN]: I think that's very cute and on this particular podcast where we're reviewing a whole bunch of movies, aren't we?
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[UNKNOWN]: We're reviewing Jane Schoenbrin's Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma.
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[UNKNOWN]: We're reviewing the dystopian romcom one night only.
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[UNKNOWN]: Gregorakis, I want your sex.
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[UNKNOWN]: The Anthony Burden by Opec Tony.
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[UNKNOWN]: the super troopers biopic, super troopers three, uh, the ice cream man, uh, uh, uh, let's just call it a film, uh, ice cream man, uh, and the Netflix paranormal thriller, the last house.
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[UNKNOWN]: on the left or on the right.
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[UNKNOWN]: No, just just the last one tote.
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[UNKNOWN]: I guess whether it's left or right is open.
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[UNKNOWN]: Just the last one they built.
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[UNKNOWN]: Let's go to the end.
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[UNKNOWN]: Go to the end.
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[UNKNOWN]: Go to the end.
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[UNKNOWN]: Go to the end of Oak Street.
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[UNKNOWN]: That house.
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, is it the same house from the end of Oak Street?
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[UNKNOWN]: We'll be talking about that next week.
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[UNKNOWN]: We will be talking about that next week.
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[UNKNOWN]: But for now we're talking about the films I just mentioned because those are the ones we saw and we're going to review those.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yes, indeed.
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[UNKNOWN]: This is the podcast.
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[UNKNOWN]: This is what you're saying.
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[UNKNOWN]: This is the, since a late in conversation that you, it's kind of, kind of what we do.
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[UNKNOWN]: So what, what would you like to talk about first, William?
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, I think given that Jane Schoenbrin is a filmmaker that we both greatly admire, yeah, they're film, we're all going to the world's fair.
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[UNKNOWN]: Was I believe both of our number one films that you're came out?
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm not sure it was number one, but both of their films to date have made our top 10 lists.
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[UNKNOWN]: Both of their films to date have been number one on my top 10 list, they at least made Whitney's top 10 list.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: So I consider them a genuinely great and impressive filmmaker.
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[UNKNOWN]: I consider one of the most interesting filmmakers of their generation.
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[UNKNOWN]: So if they have any new movie, I'm down.
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[UNKNOWN]: If they're like, I'm rebooting care bears.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'll be like, okay.
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[UNKNOWN]: I trust you, I'm sure it's awesome, and sure enough, their latest development teenage sex and death at Camp Me Asma stars Hannah Imbinder as a queer horror filmmaker, meta horror filmmaker, modeled seemingly after shown brand herself,
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[UNKNOWN]: who has been enlisted to reboot a very problematic slasher franchise modeled after in equal parts Friday the 13th and sleepaway camp and she, that's their pronounce, goes to meet the reclusive star of the original film played by Jillian Anderson
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[UNKNOWN]: And it turns into, hey, what if slasher movie meets persona, meets sexual, coming a vege film meets Wes Craven's new nightmare?
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you mean West Craven's Metaclassic new nightmare?
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, fear master, West Craven's Metaclassic.
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[UNKNOWN]: They say fear master.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's a meeting where the in-film filmmaker has like a zoom call with a bunch of studio types.
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[UNKNOWN]: So one of those played by Dylan Baker.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Clearly modeled after Jason Blum by the way.
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[UNKNOWN]: That seems to be who he's playing.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's quite bright.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: I feel like a new nightmare like kind of takes it on the chin a little bit, because they make, they kind of mock that that is the only frame of reference that a lot of people have for Metahar, Metahar movies.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, I think that's the frame of reference that studio filmmakers have.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's a bit between Hannah and Imbinder and their agent.
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[UNKNOWN]: uh... play by Sarah Sherman uh... where they're talking about how uh... yet we can get the the star of the original movie to star in this movie and it's just like yet but nobody cares who that is you know it's like well Jamie Lee Curtis came back for Halloween i'm like yeah this woman is no Jamie Lee Curtis who who who the hell knows the name of whoever started the sleepaway can't with his and i and binder can name those names and uh... and the agents like yet only you
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[UNKNOWN]: And I think there is one of the many, many, many things this film is about, and I love what an all-encompassing sort of cinematic essay this is, is I think it is about people who see art specifically horror movies, queer movies, outsider art.
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[UNKNOWN]: as extremely important and artistically meaningful of not necessarily intentionally so.
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[UNKNOWN]: And also, there are other people that people like Hanai Binder's character and you and me and various other film critics who take this stuff seriously.
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[UNKNOWN]: Everyone else, we just sort of have to deal with, and while they may be rolling our eyes, they may be rolling their eyes when we reference, you know, I don't know, the burning, which shouldn't be as obscure as it is, but it is.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's a specific reference to it, and I bet most of the only audience won't get it.
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[UNKNOWN]: We're rolling our eyes that they don't get it.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I think which is weird because this movie is so deeply entrenched in the lore of horror cinema, and yet I also think in a weird way it's Jane Shone brings most accessible film.
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, it's definitely accessible.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think it actually is getting to some pretty clear points and just sort of like explorers
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[UNKNOWN]: The thing that strikes me most about Jane Shunburn as a filmmaker is that they is their age, really.
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[UNKNOWN]: Jane Shunburn is a millennial filmmaker and is trying to comment with all three of their films, the way specific forms of media come to inform kind of our, not just our,
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[UNKNOWN]: or personality, but just the fabric of our characters, everything we learn about life, we're kind of getting through media or rather monials or kind of getting through media.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I feel like a teenage sex and death that can't be asthma is going to one of Jane Shunbrun's primary interests, which is Slash of Movies.
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[UNKNOWN]: And
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[UNKNOWN]: And the way I put it in my written review is that this is kind of a post-analysis look at Slash of Movies.
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[UNKNOWN]: We're no longer just sort of looking at the place of movies and culture because I feel like we've been doing that for too long.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's nothing left to say according to Jane Shunbroin.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's a really brilliant opening montage in this movie where we kind of see
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[UNKNOWN]: in in this movie in sort of this universe and we kind of trace the entire lifeline of this camp me as my film which is like you said it's model off of Friday the 13th and also sleep way camp.
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[UNKNOWN]: So we see
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[UNKNOWN]: the first one was ahead.
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[UNKNOWN]: It was critically reviled.
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[UNKNOWN]: They started making these sequels.
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[UNKNOWN]: They were considered really kind of a joke to a lot of the critical intelligentsia.
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[UNKNOWN]: We saw the the sequels pile up and they kind of became a joke even to the fans at one point.
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[UNKNOWN]: I love they tried to reboot it.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's a great joke if you look really carefully.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'd like all like the reviews.
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[UNKNOWN]: We see clips of is that.
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[UNKNOWN]: yeah critics hated the original and then like clips like of reviews of the film for like 10 years later are now talking about like the sequels are nowhere near up to the standards of the original which is totally how horror discourse happens uh the occasional horror movie is really widely celebrated when it first came out but uh most horror films in my experience
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[UNKNOWN]: either, you know, don't make an impression or only make a cult impression and then years later everyone is calling Halloween three season of which a classic.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, that that's a big part of it.
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[UNKNOWN]: What I was going to say is, you know, all of these sequels come out and then part of this montage are the vulture articles on the online.
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[UNKNOWN]: re-lidigations of these things and it's come to the point where even those re-lidigations and recapturing the movie for a mainstream audience is also kind of stale.
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[UNKNOWN]: Halloween three season of the witch doesn't need us as anymore.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's already been rescued.
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[UNKNOWN]: We're good.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: If anything, it's over-placed now.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's like, I've even seen some people say, Oh, no, no, that's actually even better than the original.
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[UNKNOWN]: uh... and then we cut to a conversation later in the movie uh... with uh... the characters named Chris and uh... the uh... a jillion anderson character is named uh... billi-pressly and uh... even Chris starts to refer to this movie as uh... zombie IP this is the only way we can even look at these movies anymore and that is to say it's
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[UNKNOWN]: it still has pop culture value as a title because it's recognizable but there's nothing left to be done with the material uh it's been openly recognized for many many years that a lot of these films are incredibly sexist, they're incredibly transphobic, they're incredibly homophobic, they're
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[UNKNOWN]: You could say they're problematic or you could just say they're mean and the only reason Chris has been hired to reboot camp miasma is because and she understands this, she's a queer woman and a hiring a queer woman.
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[UNKNOWN]: They're kind of like trying to brush it off.
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[UNKNOWN]: So there is like eight layers of self-awareness.
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[UNKNOWN]: To the point where even being self-aware is no longer going to have any kind of power in this universe, I appreciate that because that's the starting point for this move
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's really it's really dense, but in a really good way I think I think for people who love not just horse cinema and queer cinema People who just love cinema people who genuinely love Criticism and what and like reading about movies and what these movies mean to people and mean historically and the various different interpretations People have had throughout the years and find that fascinating in itself I
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[UNKNOWN]: feel like, especially after I saw the TV glow and teenage sex and death, although those these films are both very, very much, especially after I saw the TV glow, but these films are very, very much trans allegories, and I myself am cisgender.
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[UNKNOWN]: In so many ways, I feel like Jane Schoenberg and has my number, there's a scene in this movie where Chris and Billy are watching Billy's print of the original Camping Asma, and Billy's Billy was in it, she's seen it, got nose how many times, and she hasn't lost her interest, but they're her, this is what it is.
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[UNKNOWN]: And Chris is doing a thing that I know I've done so many times because I'm not even criticizing it, but like reacting to everything that happens while looking a scant or sideline, it's not in a judgmental way, but just looking at the person seeing like you're seeing this too, right?
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[UNKNOWN]: And in a way that's like slightly like there's a moment where there are about to reveal the Slash of Villain and the camp me as my the fictional camp me as my movies is a gender queer Serial killer named little death and how cute is that?
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, I mean, that's quite significant.
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[UNKNOWN]: We'll get to that in a minute here.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, a little death refers to the French term Lipete more, which is the little death, and it's a reference to an orgasm.
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[UNKNOWN]: But when the characters are sitting around a campfire at camp of miasma and revealing, you know, the shocking gross backstory of Little death just when they're about to do that scene Hannah and Binder leans over to Jillian Anderson says this is the part that's transphobic
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[UNKNOWN]: I know, and then there's another moment, there's one more moment in that exact same scene where right after that because I've done that and right after that, there's a scene where there's a shot and if you know what I'm talking about, there's a particular shot, it's called a split diopter shot and it's all done in camera.
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[UNKNOWN]: where there's basically two types of lens on one lens.
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[UNKNOWN]: So something can be an extreme close-up in the foreground, and then there's like a tiny little like wave of fuzziness in the middle of the lens, and then something can be in focus in the background.
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[UNKNOWN]: as well.
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[UNKNOWN]: If you see the new film, the end of Oak Street, there's a scene where everyone's sitting on the floor in a living room and every other shot is a split die after shot.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's like we couldn't figure out how to comfort that scene.
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[UNKNOWN]: So we had to do this.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think there's ever.
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[UNKNOWN]: But Hannah I'm buying her says something that I say every time.
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[UNKNOWN]: You just say split die after.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like
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[UNKNOWN]: It's like seeing Kitchcock's cameo like there is like you can't not comment on it and I am I'm just like, you know, Jane I'm right here you don't have to make fun of me you don't have to like, but but I do feel as though
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[UNKNOWN]: Jean Schoenbrin has this very particular connection to people who feel particularly connected to cult art and I just feel as though even though clearly our life experiences are in many ways dramatically different, there are so many things about their movies that I connect to
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[UNKNOWN]: Just a Smith character in I saw the TV gloves obviously a trans allegory, but when they talk about sex They talk about in a very asexual way someone asks Someone asked you like do you like boys or girls and and his responses?
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[UNKNOWN]: I like TV shows
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and when Hannah I'm buying your talks about their sexual experiences and they're in like a polyamorous relationship where their partner has sex with some, some douchebag named Thor and they're like, and they're like, yeah, I'm God, you're getting it.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm not getting anything out of that, but when they think about sex and they're kind of interested in sex, but they never really had good sex and what they have instead of sex is treats.
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[UNKNOWN]: They love gummy candies, and this is a recurring motif.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's a scene in the movie where a sexual relationship is starting to bud at least potentially between Chris and Billy, and it's like they're preparing to have like this romantic moment, and they're like candy bags, like taped to a lamp, the way that you would normally like, you know,
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[UNKNOWN]: scatter rose petals everywhere, and it's just like, yeah, this is a physical delight, but it doesn't have the same baggage, and it doesn't have the same feelings of confusion attached to it.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I get that.
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[UNKNOWN]: I get that a lot.
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[UNKNOWN]: I feel very, very seen.
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[UNKNOWN]: The teenage sex and death is, like I said, I feel like it's pretty straightforward in the things
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[UNKNOWN]: Um, because this is very much about a certain type of sexual anxiety, uh, the two characters when they're watching the can't me as a movie are both really fixated on one specific moment when, uh, the, uh, the Billy character is, uh,
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[UNKNOWN]: the character that Billy Presley plays in the original can't be as a movie when she was a teenager her character in that movie is uh... having her very first sexual experience and while she's having it this is slasher movie the slasher breaks in with a spear and is about to impale both of them and this is something that it calls to mind of course um...
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[UNKNOWN]: Friday, the 13th with the captain, they can seem really scared up from underneath the bed in a post-coiled state, and the camera zooms in on Billy Presley's eye, and they spend a lot of time trying to unpack why that moment is so important for both of them.
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[UNKNOWN]: The Chris character begins to confess that she actually has a lot of sexual anxieties and never really felt relaxed about sex and under started to understand through watching can't me asma that we're cutting through all of the analysis that she sort of brought into the cabin with her and kind of getting back to something very very visceral about slasher movies that we shouldn't be overlooking and that is something that's very raw and violent and sexual and how that
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[UNKNOWN]: conflating of sex and death that slasher movies have always kind of had as part of their makeup is something that's really, really important to her as just sort of a sexual being.
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[UNKNOWN]: And that's eventually spins off into this really kind of great Fantasmogorical fantasy sequence that takes up like the last third of the movie, which I really, really love.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's really kind of stylized.
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[UNKNOWN]: And at the same time, we're kind of getting into the head of the little death character.
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[UNKNOWN]: The fact that the slasher is called little death is sort of like, well, hey, look, here's your orgasm metaphor.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's right there.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's your sexual anxiety metaphor.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's pretty straightforward.
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[UNKNOWN]: Little deaths, people with a, with a, with a long pointy objects and blood spurts everywhere.
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[UNKNOWN]: Got it?
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Get it?
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: And it's interesting because that is such a curse.
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[UNKNOWN]: of the slasher genre and there's this wonderful bit where and I'm binder's character is talking about all these things that the slasher genre does and represents and Jillian Anderson that just throws back at it.
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[UNKNOWN]: No, it's about flesh and fluids.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's what it is about.
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[UNKNOWN]: And what flesh and fluids are present in both sexual insects and also acts of physical violence.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I think change in children is very aware
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[UNKNOWN]: that the movies themselves, when they were being made, at least the vast majority of them were not made with a terribly large amount of thoughtful intentionality.
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[UNKNOWN]: No, no, they were really, really loose.
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[UNKNOWN]: All of these analyses that we bring to Slashers as critics and that several generations of film fans have brought to Slasher movies were brought by us.
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[UNKNOWN]: The filmmakers weren't thinking that out.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's just we started to notice patterns.
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[UNKNOWN]: The idea that sex and vice are punished by a Slasher is something that I don't think the original filmmakers were thinking of.
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[UNKNOWN]: John Carter openly said that that that is well, that's technically you could you can see that in Halloween that is coincidental to the narrative he was trying to tell.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's not that like Jamie Lee Curtis's character is approved.
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[UNKNOWN]: We see your smoking pot.
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[UNKNOWN]: We know she wants to go on dates.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's just that compared to the other girls, she is a responsible babysitter.
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[UNKNOWN]: And that's why she's able to survive the night because she's not so preoccupied with her own stuff that she's not that she ceases to be aware.
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[UNKNOWN]: of her duties and her surroundings, but you look at that superficially and it looks like, oh, she's the one who has the least amount of sex, air go, that's why she survives, and then all of a sudden that's the read everyone has on slash her movies.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I feel like Jane Shunburn is saying that we, we, you and I william critics have kind of kind of disappeared up our own asses when it comes to slasher movies and this whole movie is kind of
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[UNKNOWN]: an attempt to pull us out again.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, I don't disagree with that.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think, I think, Eugen Schoenberg knows that there is a lot to unpack in a slasher movie, and I think this movie is in many respects, a love letter, too.
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[UNKNOWN]: a genre that means a lot to a lot of people like critics, you know, something, yeah, we can get our heads that up our own ass.
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[UNKNOWN]: We can absolutely read a ton into a movie that was probably not intentional, but I think, and I think even James Schunburn would agree with this because I think this is also part of the point of their movie, that intentionality is an everything.
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[UNKNOWN]: What matters is what the audience gets out of it.
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[UNKNOWN]: And there's this moment
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[UNKNOWN]: they saw camp me as well when they were way too young like when they were like a they were like a preteen and that's an experience that I think a lot of people millennial generation X and afterwards probably had you experienced a movie that was not intended for young audiences when you were too young to really understand everything it was getting at.
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[UNKNOWN]: And then it becomes kind of keyed into your DNA.
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[UNKNOWN]: If you're first encounter with both sex and violence in any sort of visceral way was a slasher movie, it makes sense that in your head, those two things could at least statistically be linked, whether the filmmakers intended it or not.
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[UNKNOWN]: And so what we see, and we see this in the way the world going to the world's fair, approaches the makers of internet art and creepypasta's,
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[UNKNOWN]: And memes, we see this in the way that I saw the TV glow explorers, what TV shows like Buffy the Vampire Slayer meant and reflected back at the teenage audience that was coming of age while they were watching them.
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[UNKNOWN]: Here, Gene Schoengren is looking at what a slasher movie, which is brilliant and simplistic.
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[UNKNOWN]: still means on a deep and profound level, and it means something very direct in a lot of ways, but it's a very personal in a way.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's, yeah, and that's the thing, and that's the thing that really finally unlocked it for me, because I watched this movie twice and I'm glad I did, because the first time I saw it, I was viewing it the way I view a lot of movies, somewhat academically.
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[UNKNOWN]: And then watching it the second time, I knowing everything that was about to happen and everything that Jane Shumburne was eventually getting at.
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[UNKNOWN]: I was able to see how, although there is absolutely a film critic read in this movie and I think it is valid and I think it is not only loud but encouraged.
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[UNKNOWN]: What ultimately this movie is about is exploring.
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[UNKNOWN]: mean to Jane Schoenbroen personally on some level.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think that's probably fair to say.
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[UNKNOWN]: But I think the biggest thing, the most important take away and the thing that I think teenage sex and death at Camp Measmer can help audiences unlock for themselves is asking what does the junk art
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[UNKNOWN]: that you gravitate towards.
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[UNKNOWN]: That helps define you.
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[UNKNOWN]: What does that actually mean to you?
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[UNKNOWN]: Because I think a lot of people, when they've got their collection of
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[UNKNOWN]: You know, child's play t-shirts or whether they've got like a whole bunch of fun co-pops of the rockets here or whatever.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like, or all of these works of art, which are fun, but a lot of people don't necessarily read a lot into.
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[UNKNOWN]: If they mean so much to you that they become this really important frame of reference in your life, they probably mean something.
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[UNKNOWN]: something very personal and maybe it's so obvious that you're not even thinking about it consciously or you take it for granted and it got me thinking shit man or is probably my favorite genre almost certainly my favorite genre and I don't ask myself often enough you know I think about the movies I like but like there's so many movies that I'm not asking myself what is this
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[UNKNOWN]: mean to me.
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[UNKNOWN]: What is what they're saying to you as, yeah, personal.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm looking at what like the artist is attempting to convey to me intentionally or subconsciously, but what I sometimes lose sight of is ultimately how this relates to me on a human soulful level.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I find a lot of the times when I'm closest to that, it's because I have a visceral negative reaction to something.
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[UNKNOWN]: This is something like it's just offensive to my sense of ethics or even just my sense of taste.
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[UNKNOWN]: But,
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[UNKNOWN]: When a film positively connects to me, whether it is truly grand, magnificent, high-class art, or whether it is just absolute trash that I nevertheless adore and celebrate and recommend to everybody, I'm not always thinking about how this affects me and reflects me personally, and I think
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[UNKNOWN]: This movie has the potential to actually help me rethink the way that I think about art, which is a lot considering that's what I do almost all day every day.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I think I can't think of a higher recommendation.
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[UNKNOWN]: I...
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[UNKNOWN]: I see all of that.
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[UNKNOWN]: I see everything that you're saying.
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't find that to be necessarily as profound as some of the things that Jane Shumburn was saying in their previous two movies.
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[UNKNOWN]: I feel like trying to really connect with something personal about a piece of art that you've always loved is something that I think is very valuable to us and I think it's good to remind
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[UNKNOWN]: why we're obsessed with certain pieces of art, what caused us to connect to those things in the first place.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I think this is something I've been thinking of a lot in terms of what nostalgia does to us.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Nostalgia is very comforting, of course.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's something that reminded us of our childhoods, reminded us of something that was very important to us as youths.
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[UNKNOWN]: But at the same time,
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[UNKNOWN]: What we have to start thinking about why we're drawn to it other than just the comfort it gives us.
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[UNKNOWN]: What brought us to it initially?
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[UNKNOWN]: Is it just that childhood innocence?
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[UNKNOWN]: Is it just a memory of being impressed?
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[UNKNOWN]: Or is there something still going on in that piece of work that is really kind of touching us?
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[UNKNOWN]: Is there some kind of emotional thing?
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[UNKNOWN]: As somebody who watches Star Trek all the fucking time.
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[UNKNOWN]: This is something I have to think about a lot.
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[UNKNOWN]: Why am I watching Star Trek all the time?
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[UNKNOWN]: Is this something that I really, really And being deeply connected to or is this something Um, that is just reminding me of my childhood and when it comes to something like Star Trek I actually am finding a lot that I'm still connecting to on like a really personal level on Star Trek
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[UNKNOWN]: Um, so it's been really helpful to do that to re-litigate my favorites and really find out what it is that I'm constantly being drawn to well also unpacking it and I don't know if I'm just on the same wavelength as camp miasma or if I'm stuck in something that it's kind of rejecting.
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[UNKNOWN]: But I think, I think both are true.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think it is a film that absolutely embraces that's sort of interconflict.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I think it can be about all those things simultaneously, and I don't think it invalidates either.
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[UNKNOWN]: You did just get me thinking about them, because again, we have on our Patreon.com slash critically acclaimed network.
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[UNKNOWN]: an exclusive podcast where you and I are watching every Star Trek episode ever in a row and right a point now where we're watching episodes that both you and I are very familiar with and have personal memories of.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: And what I appreciate about that show, in the fact we could spend like at least an hour talking about every episode of Star Trek, whether it's considered a classic or totally disposable.
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[UNKNOWN]: is that we are looking at not only what these things meant or reflected when they came out, but also how those meanings evolve over time and we're looking at episodes that are considered, you know, generally by the critical community to have been very, very terrible and then looking at them decades later and going, well, actually in some respects, this episode was ahead of the curve in some of the conversation.
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[UNKNOWN]: that it's trying to have about difficult subjects and other episodes that are widely celebrated are no longer reflective of that.
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[UNKNOWN]: And when it comes to teenage sex and death, it can't be asthma.
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[UNKNOWN]: Jane Schoenberg is very particularly focused on one moment in the film and how it affects one aspect.
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[UNKNOWN]: of the character of Chris's life and personal transformation, and I would be very curious, and maybe Jane Jumpern is a little younger than both of us, maybe as they get older, I would love to see them if they continue to pursue this line of thinking, this light motif where they are constantly exploring that hazy space between the audience and the art that they
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[UNKNOWN]: I would like to see if they have a narrative in them, a theme in them, a story and then about how someone's relationship to a work of art evolves as that person gets older.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, I think we're not going to be able to see that until Jane Shunburton gets older.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's my point.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's exactly right.
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[UNKNOWN]: I am so eager to see Jane Shunburton continue to essentially grow up.
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[UNKNOWN]: which is not to say that Jane Shunburn is like an immature filmmaker in any sense.
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[UNKNOWN]: In fact, I think their works are very well thought out and very stylized and very assured.
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[UNKNOWN]: Even when working with really tiny budgets like in we're all going to world fair, how much of that movie was shot in a single bedroom, right?
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[UNKNOWN]: But I feel like I'm
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[UNKNOWN]: As Jane Shunbrun gets older, we're going to see them start to have to re-litigate the way they feel about these movies.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's even in the summertime and I just know Jane Shunbrun is this kind of filmmaker that they're going to make a movie about their relationship with one of their previous movies.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like it's going to start becoming really self-reflective, but we're going to have to wait until
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[UNKNOWN]: middle age sex and death at can't be asthma.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's coming.
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[UNKNOWN]: I would love to say We shouldn't go on to we have a lot.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, I'm sorry.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's there's one more topic I wanted to cover and that is actually kind of the the transness that's in teenage sex and death the slasher as a trans character and I feel like in making and played by Jack Hathen.
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[UNKNOWN]: Jack Hathen.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and Jack Hathen is wonderful
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[UNKNOWN]: Then in previous, then I saw the TV glow, which I thought was one of the best performances of the decade, and here they're, that's not your villain, they've a lot less.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, they don't have a great monologue.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Practically a mute character, not a lot of dialogue.
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[UNKNOWN]: But this is clearly a transmask filmmaker trying to point out to a lot of audiences that transkillers, like in psycho, like in sleep away camp, like in the Texas Jansel massacre, this very problematic thing that's been going through line through slasher throughout the genre's history,
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[UNKNOWN]: actually been very empowering for perhaps some trans viewers.
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[UNKNOWN]: The fact that these killers, the characters were most interested in in a slasher movie, we aren't necessarily relating to the victims.
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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, especially by the time we're getting into multiple sequels and only the killers coming back and the humans are the ones that are rotating out, we're kind of seeing these her...
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[UNKNOWN]: heroic supervillain characters arise and how those characters are actually defining the universe they live in and I think that's a really that's also an element that's kind of been put into sex and death to the point where we get into this weird cronin burgy and flesh wall space that's a weird nightmare sequence there's a lot going on in the world of the year by the way it's a second flesh wall of the year a second trial whether he hides
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's right.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's right.
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[UNKNOWN]: Mark Margarovie's ball was the same color as her skin.
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[UNKNOWN]: It even had like her freckles.
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[UNKNOWN]: What it, what it, what it was.
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[UNKNOWN]: It was, no, and that's what I wanted to bring that up, but so we can move on from this one.
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[UNKNOWN]: I know, I'm glad you did because just one last thing because I feel as though there's a lot of material in teenage sex and death at camp, me asma, which unlocks even more complexity and even more interesting conversation.
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[UNKNOWN]: not just the films Jane Schoenbroen is referencing, but also the conversations about those films.
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[UNKNOWN]: And when I left the screening showing teenage sex and death at Campamia asma, I remember thinking to myself, I wish.
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[UNKNOWN]: You remember when David Lynch's Dune came out and they handed people a glossary as they walked into the theater, a lot of what, you know, all the terms in Dune meant because it's going to be impossible to follow otherwise.
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[UNKNOWN]: I want everyone in the theater to get a copy of BJ Collangelo and Harmony Collangelo's book Sleepboy Camp, which is a great book, by the way, because it is very, very much delving into a lot of these topics, and although a lot of it's very personal, you know, it doesn't also have a responsibility to weave a narrative.
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[UNKNOWN]: It is a critical work, and it is as definitive of work as I think we're
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[UNKNOWN]: And if you are interested in teenage sex and death and can't get to it in a while and you want to read the primer read the collangelo sleep away camp or if you saw teenage sex and death as my either feel like you didn't get it or that you really want to learn more.
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[UNKNOWN]: read sleepaway camp.
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[UNKNOWN]: I could not recommend it enough.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's great.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and there are all kinds of books.
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[UNKNOWN]: Not just the Collangelo's, but the about sort of queerness within slasher.
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[UNKNOWN]: I recently picked up a copy of Chuck Tingle's Barry Yorgay's, which is, I need to read that.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I haven't actually read it yet.
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[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, it's like this kind of queer slasher in book form.
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[UNKNOWN]: And Chuck Tingle also did a film recently called Camp Damascus, which does something very similar.
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[UNKNOWN]: so uh... there's all this is already a big part of the conversation uh... jane jane shenburn is not opening a new door but i feel like in making this film so uh... entertaining and actually kind of light and funny in all the ways uh... it's the in romantic and yet sexy and romantic and there's actual sex in it uh... there is all the c.o.
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[UNKNOWN]: wonderful queer sex is all over this movie uh... is actually kind of
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[UNKNOWN]: Welcomeing people in.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think this is actually a very accessible movie and I think just any teenager could wander into this movie and get a lot out of it even if they're not familiar with BSAs.
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[UNKNOWN]: Right all I'm saying is that I feel like while this is accessible, I hope this is a gateway to deeper conversations and more.
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[UNKNOWN]: Films to explore in the future, the way that a lot of these movies were gateways to me when I was younger and I just feel like you could use this as like Watch DNA sex and death at camp me asthma watch all the films it explicitly references then dig into the films that it Sort of subtextually references and then read all the criticism of that and then read all their thing they're referencing and then and a couple years you're going to be an expert and make your own text
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, if if I have any any complaints about well, I guess I this is not really a complaint because it's not even though we're talking all of these dry things about essays and how it actually does function as an essay I don't think it's a very dry movie.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's not boring.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's actually very entertaining.
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[UNKNOWN]: So that that's why I think it's it's so effective.
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[UNKNOWN]: It would still be interesting if it were just a dry essay.
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[UNKNOWN]: I like movies like that, but I know a lot of like a mainstream audience isn't going to necessarily dig something really Heady and cerebral and this is cerebral, but it's also really fun.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, anyway, but we have it.
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[UNKNOWN]: I said my piece.
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[UNKNOWN]: No, no, it's not it's time to move on because we have a couple other movies that open on the same weekend that are also about
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[UNKNOWN]: Sex and one is sex in a dystopian future and one is approaching the topic from a very different angle I am furious that I wasn't able to get to one night only.
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[UNKNOWN]: I was sick the night of the screening and I haven't had chance to catch up Because the premise it's the purge, but for fucking Where unless you're married you're not allowed to have sex except for one night
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[UNKNOWN]: of the year and all of the trailers made it look like this is an incidental fact toy and ultimately it's just a really cute romantic comedy and I found myself endlessly distracted by how fundamentally fucked up that it like even the purged and outlaw sex all year.
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[UNKNOWN]: No, and in fact, that's the biggest error with this.
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[UNKNOWN]: So, I wish you had seen this, not because you would have enjoyed yourself.
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[UNKNOWN]: In fact, you would have hated this movie.
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[UNKNOWN]: Anyone with a heart or libido will hate this movie because this is like pro-fascist propaganda writ large.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like it's right there.
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[UNKNOWN]: This is...
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[UNKNOWN]: This film and like Coyote vs. Acme or some of the most important movies of the year will get to Coyote vs. Acme and do course But in terms of like what they're saying to the present moment Are I think I can say right now.
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[UNKNOWN]: I have seen Coyote vs. Acme I think it's way more positive
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[UNKNOWN]: uh... in and it's a trail but it's still a big but it's positive but uh... code versus act me was made in twenty twenty three and it's far more significant uh... in twenty twenty six it's delay might have actually been for two of us but
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[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, one night only takes place in New York City in a near future, for the last three years, the government has been ruled by some kind of ill-defined, a super-fascistic, like Puritan Christian government of some kind.
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[UNKNOWN]: and they have an act of this law and they don't really say what the function of this law is other than it's just sort of this way of controlling people's bodies.
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[UNKNOWN]: No one is allowed to have sex until they're married.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay, that sounds really like Christo fascist propaganda and then
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[UNKNOWN]: But in order to make sure people don't go completely mad, there is one sex night, it's in the middle of August, they never explained why that That date was chosen Hmm I feel like if I were making this movie, I'd put a lot of thought into the meaning of that date Yeah, yeah, and put a thought into like the meaning of the day, I guess it's in the middle of summer, it's not near any other holidays So put it right there Yeah, you're on a silly Christmas
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[UNKNOWN]: Right fucking people are allowed to fuck legally and everyone has has these little biological and this feels like a stored Gordon thing like these little tattoos on the inside of their wrists that are red all year but when they're allowed to have sex it turns green and that thing monitors their biology to make sure they're not near someone else who is having like a chemical sex response
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[UNKNOWN]: So that's the way that's the way you can even so you couldn't even and forgive me for being crass like so be crass.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's fine.
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[UNKNOWN]: This, well, I'm just saying for people listening, okay.
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[UNKNOWN]: You know, you know, in a, in a group environment, you know how people like huddle around their old timey radios and listen to podcasts.
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[UNKNOWN]: That sounds like it would preclude even like masturbating in close proximity.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's the thing.
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[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't, it doesn't, they say that there's a news broadcast early in the movie with one of the politicians who enacted this law.
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[UNKNOWN]: And he looks a lot like Sean Hannity, which couldn't be a coincidence.
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[UNKNOWN]: And he says that
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[UNKNOWN]: we finally brought purity back to the United States and people aren't having meaningless sex anymore.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's all pointed.
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[UNKNOWN]: This is a time when you can be proud to be an in-sell and that's sold as like kind of like a little bit of a laugh line.
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[UNKNOWN]: The most frustrating thing about this movie is its tone.
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[UNKNOWN]: This film was directed by Will Glock.
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[UNKNOWN]: who previously did that movie, anyone but you, with Glenn Powell and Sidney Sweeney, and anyone but you was a huge, huge hit, and it's easy to see why.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's a frothy romantic comedy about attractive people who are attracted to each other in attractive location, and it pulls it off, and it's a Shakespearean story, so the plot works.
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[UNKNOWN]: But this movie has that same tone.
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[UNKNOWN]: Everything's really kind of bright and brisk and playful and fun.
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[UNKNOWN]: The main character is played by Monica Barbaro, who would play John by As, and it's complete on known.
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[UNKNOWN]: and she is, well, she's a romantic.
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[UNKNOWN]: She doesn't just want to have meaningless sex.
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[UNKNOWN]: She wants it to mean something.
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[UNKNOWN]: Never mind that she's been forbidden from having sex all year by the government, even though this is a night to finally get a rock soft.
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[UNKNOWN]: She's like, well, I want it to be special.
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[UNKNOWN]: She wants to find the right person.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, it sounds like a modern equivalent of the sort of Disney or fairy tale trope where you're a princess, but I want to marry for love.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she wants to fuck for love.
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[UNKNOWN]: And wouldn't you know what across town is another fellow played by Kalim Turner, who's like a big beef steak of a man.
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[UNKNOWN]: He's dating someone, his girlfriend is played by Maya Hawke.
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[UNKNOWN]: And she is, she decides to leave him for the night.
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[UNKNOWN]: Just like, okay, I'm going to go out and I'm going to have sex with somebody else because I think that would be more fun than having sex with you because you're clearly a cold fish and bad.
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[UNKNOWN]: Uh, so she ends up running off and having sex with like I think they're landlord or something and he's left.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's a conflict of interest.
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[UNKNOWN]: That is.
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[UNKNOWN]: And so he's left to kind of have sex on his own and naturally he and Monica Barbara were going to spend the evening kind of drifting through New York City after our style because it's only from 7pm to 7am, so it's all night They're going to leave it all day?
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[UNKNOWN]: No, no, it's just twirlers.
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[UNKNOWN]: Not even 25.
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[UNKNOWN]: You don't have to take everything from the purge.
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[UNKNOWN]: uh... calum turners uh... mom is played by uh... moly wring walled and she's in a relationship with love our burden which seems like kind of this weird random assortment of celebrities to cast as the parents
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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think that's cute, but yeah, it's cute.
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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I like those actors, but it seems, yeah, a little strange put them together.
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[UNKNOWN]: I was just watching the new happy Madison film.
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[UNKNOWN]: Don't say good luck, and we'll review it next week.
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[UNKNOWN]: But there's a moment where it's like, oh, and our grandparents are coming to visit, and I was like, okay, it's happy Madison.
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[UNKNOWN]: Who were the cameos and right before the door opened I was like I forget who I was I said Steve who shemi and Caffeine a genie and then they opened the door and I was half right.
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[UNKNOWN]: It was Steve who shemi and I was like But it was BB new word who was genuinely wow Again, it's like we're just we just got two celebrities.
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[UNKNOWN]: We're not gonna think about it
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[UNKNOWN]: It's like, why are those two was available that weekend?
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[UNKNOWN]: That's the question.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay Steve Bushemi and BV Newworth, they'll come by.
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[UNKNOWN]: Sure, why not?
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[UNKNOWN]: I felt that way about Molly Ringwald and LaVar Burton.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's like, okay, two famous people.
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[UNKNOWN]: All right, neat.
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[UNKNOWN]: So,
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so it's it's kind of there's something I admire that they're trying to the filmmakers Really trying to address the weirdness of this premise and they did it so by showing in almost every background shot There was some kind of protest imagery There was like graffiti that said repeal the ban There was a you know a lot of warning these kind of fascist warning sides don't have sex unless it's this one night of the year and there's all these like public works There's some scenes and
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[UNKNOWN]: uh... police station where they talk about the people they're busting uh... and through all of this we in the audience are wondering what is going on with the government government at right what why uh... well how did it get this way and the film does not interrogate its own premise it doesn't interrogate the fascism that had to come to be uh... it doesn't feel like a dystopian movie it feels like a romantic comedy
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, I want to know, but I want to know because real fast.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm just, and I think I asked this before, but I think it's worth bringing it up in this context.
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[UNKNOWN]: Because when I see it just Toby and movie, and it's like, oh, we live in a world where
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[UNKNOWN]: You know, all crime is legal one night a year and I'm thinking myself how the fuck did that get past in legislation but when it comes to we outlawed sex, I know how it got past we we we we elected a lot of conservatives boom yeah it had happened eventually the question I have that really for me
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[UNKNOWN]: would either lighten the mood or absolutely taint to this enterprise would be finding out what the punishment is like are you does your tattoo explode or is it just like you know like demolition man when you swear you get a $50 fine.
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[UNKNOWN]: There is a scene where somebody's being hauled into a police station.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's a scene where a guy is busted for having sex too many times, like he had sex multiple times in a week that wasn't like the designated week.
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[UNKNOWN]: And he was the subject of a police raid.
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[UNKNOWN]: Now, OK, where is where do queer people fall in all of this?
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[UNKNOWN]: And there's a queer character who appears early in this movie who says that they're actually taking the sex night off and her Her reasoning is
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[UNKNOWN]: queer people have been getting around the laws of the streets since before the Bible.
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[UNKNOWN]: This idea that we are always pilloried, so this is just par for the course for us.
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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's pretty insulting.
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, well, queer people, they're used to it.
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[UNKNOWN]: They're used to being oppressed.
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[UNKNOWN]: So it's okay that everyone else is being oppressed.
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[UNKNOWN]: So what this is, this movie, is...
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[UNKNOWN]: a crime tourism fantasy, what if we applied the laws that we've always been applying to queer people, to stray people as well, and...
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[UNKNOWN]: And wouldn't it be cute?
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and it should be cute.
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[UNKNOWN]: And the conclusions this movie come to are really fucked.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I'm going to spoil the ending of this movie because you should not see this film.
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[UNKNOWN]: It is.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to say this, yeah, real fast.
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[UNKNOWN]: You can skip ahead a couple of minutes.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's a time code in the episode.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: If you genuinely care about this.
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[UNKNOWN]: If you genuinely don't point it.
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[UNKNOWN]: If you don't want this ending spoil, I suppose skip ahead a little bit.
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[UNKNOWN]: But at the end of the movie,
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[UNKNOWN]: these two characters have finally realized that they're in love they've gone to like wild parties and they've had some near misses.
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[UNKNOWN]: They almost had sex with one person but they didn't get to.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's all very cute.
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[UNKNOWN]: And they get to the very end and it's like they have 30 minutes left before 7 a.m. it's like it's almost 7 and the the the the the counting I mean if you've been holding it in for a year that's enough time.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and it's like we, and they start making out and I, first of all, I want to see the the purge election year version of this.
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[UNKNOWN]: I want to see people burning down buildings and, you know, assassinating politicians trying to get their right to have sex back to be, you know, actually human and, and horny out in the street whenever you want, because that's your right as a human being.
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[UNKNOWN]: Or I wanted them to have sex and have sex on a countdown clock and continue to have sex after it's already counted down It's like nope.
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[UNKNOWN]: We're just gonna keep on going and the last shot is the SWAT team coming in and firing firing while they're having sex.
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[UNKNOWN]: You know something like that instead Even though they'd have 30 minutes to go.
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[UNKNOWN]: They say wait a minute, but we're in public.
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[UNKNOWN]: We're in this romantic location It doesn't feel special.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think we should wait a year darling
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[UNKNOWN]: And I don't think this is a natural light of dialogue, but they did say, in making sex rarer, the kind of making it special again, maybe the fascists were right about this one.
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[UNKNOWN]: God for the fascists.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they're good as the fascists are here to police our bodies and make sure that sex can remain special.
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[UNKNOWN]: Fuck off.
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[UNKNOWN]: This movie is...
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[UNKNOWN]: uh... sex negative in the worst possible way it's pro fascism in the worst possible way everything about this movies very core concept it makes me not just uncomfortable but furious uh... it's and i think it's speaking to where we are as a society a it takes place in sort of a fascist government which we kind of have right now uh... and also it's speaking to you are and depending on who you are by the way we've always had
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[UNKNOWN]: to someone in this country yeah you know like yeah it's it's there's always been someone just it's massively screwed over and legislative out of existence it's just way on the surface right now and and at the same time it's also speaking to and going back a little bit to sex and death it can't be asthma it's speaking to the way sex was given to us in media and you'll find a lot of conversations especially online these days about kind of
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[UNKNOWN]: the prudishness of a certain generation.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's a class of people out there who don't like to see sex scenes in movies.
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[UNKNOWN]: They don't want to see sex in movies.
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[UNKNOWN]: Their feel certain generations are having less sex than the generations before.
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[UNKNOWN]: And this is a movie that is trying to lean into that prudishness rather than necessarily exploded or confronted or even litigated in any kind of
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[UNKNOWN]: If a fascist government forces you to be prudish, you're going to be comfortable.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I can't think of any other message that this film is getting at.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's nothing romantic about it because it is all litigated by this.
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[UNKNOWN]: horrible regime that the film is not stopping nearly enough to talk about everything is really light and frothy and skimmed past.
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[UNKNOWN]: We're trying to find, you know, whimsical things we can do comedically with this premise.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like, and this is something I didn't even mention.
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[UNKNOWN]: Everybody can have sex, but single people have to wear condoms.
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[UNKNOWN]: So children are not even allowed to be conceived of wedlock.
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[UNKNOWN]: And that's only I was wondering, because I was imagining,
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[UNKNOWN]: uh, the Netflix Michael Bolton Valentine's Day special.
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[UNKNOWN]: It opens with Santa Claus going to see Michael Bolton and saying, listen, I don't have enough people to give toys to this year.
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[UNKNOWN]: You need to get everyone horny as hell now.
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[UNKNOWN]: So a child can be conceived before December, and I can have a job this year.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I thought it was just like, you know, it's in August because we really, really, really wanted
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm bad at math, June.
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[UNKNOWN]: No, I guess that doesn't make any sense.
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[UNKNOWN]: I guess May, whatever.
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[UNKNOWN]: I will say this.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to, I have two thoughts.
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[UNKNOWN]: One is that this sounds to me like the kind of movie, and I'm wish I had seen it, and I will see it before the end of the year.
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[UNKNOWN]: But it sounds
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[UNKNOWN]: was born to make because repeatedly in Paul Verhoven's career, especially with Robocop and Starship Troopers, he had an opportunity to make a film which in other hands, less satirical hands would have been unironically fascistic.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Star Wars and Robocop.
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[UNKNOWN]: Especially Starship trippers, but Robocop as well.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like when he came into him, it was probably more or less being treated as my understanding.
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[UNKNOWN]: And he disregarded it initially as just how he would clap-trop about a cool Robocop.
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[UNKNOWN]: And for Hoven's approach was I'm going to turn this premise, which has superficial, fascistic appeal on its head and use it to criticize the society that made it.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I need that the exact same thing with Starship tripers.
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[UNKNOWN]: So I would love to see Paul for Hoven's the purge romcom.
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[UNKNOWN]: I feel like that would have been interesting and he could have someone like with that touch could have brought something out of this that would be very fascinating.
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[UNKNOWN]: The movie I was dying about while I was watching one night only was actually John Waters film a dirty shame.
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[UNKNOWN]: Which is a film that is actually like just zestily to mess it like it.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's just it is a walking boner of a film and It celebrates sex and it celebrates being horny and it celebrates fetishes and it kind of mocks the people who would make people feel bad for their fetishes It's
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[UNKNOWN]: It has, in every one of its, a scenes, every one of its concepts, a passion and an adoration for human sexuality and all of its forms.
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[UNKNOWN]: There's even a line of dialogue and a dirty shame where you say, Johnny Knoxville says, you'll find that, um,
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[UNKNOWN]: Everything sexual is permitted, so long as nobody's hurt, and, and everything's consensual, and it's like, yeah, you know what?
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[UNKNOWN]: Yes, that's the philosophy that I like to see in my, in my sex related movies, and to see the opposite of that being sold really hard and something like one night only.
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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, personally, it rubs me the wrong way, but conceptually, it's just just bad.
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[UNKNOWN]: Well, the other moment, and weirdly, it takes place in the same universe as anyone but you, because there's a couple of scenes where people are thumbing through like singles apps, and we see their characters and photos on the singles apps.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like literally by name, their characters.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: The movie, it reminded me of in description the way you were describing it, was actually a genuinely classic movie, booty call.
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[UNKNOWN]: uh, which is about two guys who go on a double date and it's going very very well and their their dates are both neighbors in the same apartment complex and they're about to have sex but they don't have condoms and they end up going out into the night in the middle of the night on a journey to get, you know, contraceptives and it's a series of misadventures and they
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[UNKNOWN]: And the push and pull of that is very, very funny.
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[UNKNOWN]: The other thing I will say, and I just want to say it's really briefly, because I bristle with something that keeps coming up and you write it up as well, because I think there is an eagerness to paint,
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[UNKNOWN]: younger generations who, and again, I don't want to paint them with a huge brush either, but there are a lot of people who are saying that they're not super excited about the idea of seeing sex in a movie, it doesn't titulate them, it doesn't feel like necessarily worth it in and of itself, and they don't miss it if it's gone.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think a lot of people are eager to paint that as prudishness or ultra-conservative or puritanical, and I'm sure to some people it is.
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[UNKNOWN]: Uh, it does worry me that it is very difficult for someone who may be a sexual or on the sexual spectrum, a sexual identity that is only now becoming a little bit more acceptable to discuss in the mainstream and something people are actually willing to admit
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[UNKNOWN]: It's just, it can, it can be a description of a general apathy as opposed to judgment and for me, I, I, I don't know how to have this conversation that because obviously if you push that too hard, it's going to do the job of the Prudish people who want to condemn things from from a conservative perspective, but I also don't want to silence people who may simply be apathetic towards
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[UNKNOWN]: sex.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's not necessarily bad.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's not something they should be judged for necessarily.
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[UNKNOWN]: No, no.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I'm not trying to judge anybody who is ace or anybody who's on the ace spectrum.
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[UNKNOWN]: But I am because if this was a film about being ace, that would be a different issue.
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[UNKNOWN]: That would be a different kind of a movie.
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[UNKNOWN]: But I'm not talking about the film.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm talking about you were describing people in the audience.
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[UNKNOWN]: The kids these days, saying that they don't need movies with sex in it.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think there are some people who say we don't approve.
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[UNKNOWN]: And there are some people who say we're not interested.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I think those are different conversations.
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[UNKNOWN]: OK.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I don't know, I don't know how to balance that, though, because obviously, I have a stake in both.
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't want an oppressive environment where people don't feel comfortable expressing sex in art, but I also don't want an environment in which people aren't allowed to say that they're apathetic towards it.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I don't know the solution here because I feel like there's got to be something in the middle.
01:00:02.504 --> 01:00:03.364
[UNKNOWN]: And I haven't found it yet.
01:00:03.704 --> 01:00:04.164
[UNKNOWN]: And I often
01:00:05.583 --> 01:00:18.036
[UNKNOWN]: But it came up organically, so I didn't just want to say, if your perspective on sex and films is more related to a general asexuality or apathy, I think that is different, and I don't think that's necessarily British.
01:00:18.236 --> 01:00:21.499
[UNKNOWN]: But to some people, it absolutely is, and that I can't help but condemn.
01:00:22.280 --> 01:00:22.460
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:00:23.153 --> 01:00:27.756
[UNKNOWN]: So, anyway, there's a Gregor Aki film that you all want to talk about.
01:00:27.776 --> 01:00:28.696
[UNKNOWN]: This is the sex special.
01:00:28.716 --> 01:00:29.957
[UNKNOWN]: We got teenage sex and death.
01:00:29.977 --> 01:00:45.086
[UNKNOWN]: We got sex under fascist regime and now we got, I want your sex, which is, Gregor Aki has actually come out and said very pointedly that this film is meant to provoke
01:00:47.367 --> 01:00:49.869
[UNKNOWN]: who the people who he feels are prudish.
01:00:50.369 --> 01:01:10.760
[UNKNOWN]: He's actually being very pointed about saying what he needs to say about the way certain audience members are uncomfortable with seeing sex in movies to the point where he feels like sexuality is being deliberately drained from movies, not in an ace way, but in a prudish way.
01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:19.204
[UNKNOWN]: And so he has made a movie called, I want or sex about characters who are driven by sex and sexuality.
01:01:20.525 --> 01:01:26.891
[UNKNOWN]: But it's also this really fun wild satire of the high art world.
01:01:27.591 --> 01:01:30.393
[UNKNOWN]: And it's also a spoof of sunset boulevard.
01:01:30.794 --> 01:01:35.438
[UNKNOWN]: So, hey, do sunset boulevard, uh, flakes this week as well.
01:01:36.334 --> 01:01:42.038
[UNKNOWN]: because teenage sex and death is absolutely name checking it, and I think Jillian Anderson even dresses like Norman Desmond once.
01:01:42.299 --> 01:01:45.021
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, yeah.
01:01:46.662 --> 01:01:56.870
[UNKNOWN]: She does say, like, oh, you think I'm dressed like that character from Sunset Boulevard and the filmmaker character says, yeah, I don't remember the character's name right now.
01:01:57.571 --> 01:01:59.752
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I want your sex is kind of this.
01:02:00.913 --> 01:02:17.490
[UNKNOWN]: erotic comedy thriller, uh, where, uh, Cooper Hoffman plays this guy named Elliot, who is, he's dating his girlfriend, his girlfriend is studying, uh, and she is completely, she is completely shut him out, uh, physically and romantically.
01:02:17.530 --> 01:02:23.496
[UNKNOWN]: She just, it almost seems like she hates this guy, like she just does, once nothing to do with her boyfriend.
01:02:24.958 --> 01:02:27.920
[UNKNOWN]: And he is frustrated by that.
01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:31.624
[UNKNOWN]: He's frustrated by her, the fact that she's shut them off.
01:02:32.084 --> 01:02:39.011
[UNKNOWN]: The fact that he still has a pretty healthy libido and a lot of sexual fantasies and he just can't enact any of it.
01:02:39.512 --> 01:02:40.693
[UNKNOWN]: He doesn't live with his girlfriend.
01:02:40.713 --> 01:02:41.754
[UNKNOWN]: He lives with his best friend.
01:02:41.794 --> 01:02:44.156
[UNKNOWN]: He's played by Chase Sui wonders from the studio.
01:02:44.196 --> 01:02:45.037
[UNKNOWN]: She's really great.
01:02:47.306 --> 01:03:08.217
[UNKNOWN]: And he manages to land a really prestigious job at an arts studio with a character played by Olivia Wilde, who is this very Robert Maple Thorb, very ultra sexual provocateur type of artist, and he does all of like the grunt work.
01:03:08.237 --> 01:03:09.938
[UNKNOWN]: And this is true of all hi artists.
01:03:09.998 --> 01:03:11.679
[UNKNOWN]: They hire a lot of like, um,
01:03:12.422 --> 01:03:33.193
[UNKNOWN]: uh... interns and helpers to actually help them construct their concepts they don't necessarily do it all by hand themselves depending on the artist so uh... she's she has painted this big portrait of a human vagina and has all of the interns sort of two wads of gum and stick them and like recreate the pattern and uh... that's his job he has to do stuff like that
01:03:35.446 --> 01:03:39.671
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, also she's taken a very strong in sexual interest in him.
01:03:39.751 --> 01:03:49.000
[UNKNOWN]: She sort of sees something in this guy that she can control and even says very frankly, calls him into the office and says, you're not going to be weird if we start having sex.
01:03:49.080 --> 01:03:49.401
[UNKNOWN]: Are you?
01:03:49.481 --> 01:03:49.961
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, wait.
01:03:50.041 --> 01:03:50.262
[UNKNOWN]: What?
01:03:50.642 --> 01:03:50.902
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:03:51.082 --> 01:03:52.344
[UNKNOWN]: I want to start having sex with you.
01:03:52.384 --> 01:03:53.825
[UNKNOWN]: You're going to be my boy toy.
01:03:54.306 --> 01:03:57.249
[UNKNOWN]: And you know, he's like 22 years old, he's horny, uh,
01:03:57.689 --> 01:04:08.016
[UNKNOWN]: And he really admires this artist and she's played by Olivia Wilde, so she's really really gorgeous and he's like, yeah, let's do that and they proceed to have this very sexual affair.
01:04:09.537 --> 01:04:15.741
[UNKNOWN]: And it's very fetishistic, she ties him up a lot, she spanks him, there's a lot of binding and blindfolds in their play.
01:04:16.581 --> 01:04:29.290
[UNKNOWN]: But at a curiosity, just so I can get a sense of the tone here, is this portrayed as a form of workplace harassment or is this entirely mutual despite the power dynamic?
01:04:29.971 --> 01:04:41.499
[UNKNOWN]: They acknowledge this constantly that the power dynamic is off between these characters, that she's his boss, that he is being taken advantage of, but he's also young and horny enough that he doesn't care.
01:04:41.999 --> 01:05:07.527
[UNKNOWN]: he understands that he's being taken advantage of and he welcomes it so there is also a level of of consent now at the beginning of this movie we actually saw Olivia wild's corpse floating face down in a pool just like in the sunset boulevard and the story is being told through flashback as the kuperhauffin characters being interrogated by a pair of cops who are played by Margaret show and Johnny Knoxville
01:05:07.907 --> 01:05:10.228
[UNKNOWN]: So we kind of know what tone we're going for.
01:05:10.248 --> 01:05:12.568
[UNKNOWN]: Gregor Rackie is a very energetic filmmaker.
01:05:12.588 --> 01:05:14.069
[UNKNOWN]: He's a very colorful filmmaker.
01:05:14.469 --> 01:05:17.590
[UNKNOWN]: He has kind of a nasty sense of humor when he's making a comedy.
01:05:18.290 --> 01:05:20.651
[UNKNOWN]: He's very interested in sex and sexuality.
01:05:20.671 --> 01:05:22.231
[UNKNOWN]: And he's just going to put it out there.
01:05:22.291 --> 01:05:24.712
[UNKNOWN]: His characters are all incredibly horny.
01:05:25.312 --> 01:05:25.432
[UNKNOWN]: And
01:05:27.753 --> 01:05:33.160
[UNKNOWN]: And this film is no different, although I would say that this is also a very accessible film as far as Gregor Aki films go.
01:05:33.580 --> 01:05:37.885
[UNKNOWN]: This is not like the doom generation where it's just sour and off putting all throughout.
01:05:40.248 --> 01:05:40.328
[UNKNOWN]: And
01:05:43.369 --> 01:05:50.032
[UNKNOWN]: Naturally, as this sort of relationship progresses, the Cooper Hoffman character begins to catch feelings a little bit.
01:05:50.052 --> 01:05:58.595
[UNKNOWN]: He starts to understand that they're connecting through this sexual play through all of their kink in a really kind of meaningful way.
01:05:58.675 --> 01:06:04.338
[UNKNOWN]: He really appreciates that he's finding something in her that he wouldn't find with anybody else.
01:06:05.238 --> 01:06:13.766
[UNKNOWN]: And she, of course, tries to keep everything as cold as possible, which is really starts to hurt his heart after a while.
01:06:15.347 --> 01:06:23.194
[UNKNOWN]: And that's kind of where I have to stop describing the plot because there's like some big twists and some big reveals from that point on.
01:06:23.854 --> 01:06:25.596
[UNKNOWN]: But I really like this film's attitude.
01:06:25.696 --> 01:06:29.860
[UNKNOWN]: I really like its attitude toward pointing out that sex is not
01:06:31.412 --> 01:06:33.333
[UNKNOWN]: a dark motivating factor.
01:06:33.353 --> 01:06:36.614
[UNKNOWN]: It's actually a very light motivating factor in people's lives.
01:06:36.674 --> 01:06:38.895
[UNKNOWN]: It's the thing that gives a lot of people's lives meaning.
01:06:40.675 --> 01:06:46.518
[UNKNOWN]: I've seen so, so many films noir about
01:06:49.689 --> 01:07:17.701
[UNKNOWN]: characters who are motivated by sex and they're motivated by some kind of like having sex with like a male character is motivated by having sex with a femme fatale and that's the kind of thing that brings about they're undoing it's like seen as a grievous sin oh no you slept with this woman out of wedlock are you cheated on your your girlfriend this is something that is going to come around to get you in the end um... well yeah and there was a lot of film noir's are basically someone is so horny they're willing to
01:07:18.621 --> 01:07:22.784
[UNKNOWN]: kill for it to commit crimes and I've and I've seen some great horror movies about that.
01:07:22.804 --> 01:07:41.876
[UNKNOWN]: I love the hellraiser Clive markers first hellraiser movie and that's all about how a woman gets so horny for a Gull with no skin that she's willing to kill guys and give him skin again just specifically so she can have sex with this guy again Greg or Acce is trying to flip that she really loved him.
01:07:41.916 --> 01:07:43.397
[UNKNOWN]: She'd love him as he was by the way
01:07:45.465 --> 01:07:48.167
[UNKNOWN]: I don't have a spine, I love you the way you are.
01:07:48.468 --> 01:07:50.609
[UNKNOWN]: Would you love me if I only had a third of a spine?
01:07:51.410 --> 01:07:52.091
[UNKNOWN]: A lot of people would.
01:07:52.911 --> 01:07:57.535
[UNKNOWN]: You may not specifically, that guy, Frank is a dick, but, like, you know, for some of our free cases of everyone.
01:07:57.995 --> 01:07:58.215
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:07:58.696 --> 01:08:00.197
[UNKNOWN]: There's someone for everyone, that's all I'm saying.
01:08:00.530 --> 01:08:03.671
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Greg, Greg, Greg is clearly flipping the script on this.
01:08:04.071 --> 01:08:16.755
[UNKNOWN]: He's trying to show the film noir story about how sex is actually a fine, active, great thing to have in your life, but you can still treat people poorly.
01:08:16.815 --> 01:08:23.477
[UNKNOWN]: And then, of course, it spins off into this wild crime plot about a weird double crosses and
01:08:25.177 --> 01:08:32.842
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we did start in the sunset boulevard territory, so we're going to have to learn eventually how all of your wild ended up face down in that pool.
01:08:36.004 --> 01:08:39.146
[UNKNOWN]: But I hope it's a double back and she was just swimming.
01:08:40.277 --> 01:09:01.498
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I can't tell you what like how she got I'm just saying what I'm just saying what I hope I'll find out when I see it and I will see it I recommend this movie it now it because it's correct or accurate it's also like kind of silly and a little bit chaotic so it's not like a tight film noir it's not like you're watching you know a simple plan or something or a simple favor.
01:09:02.003 --> 01:09:07.264
[UNKNOWN]: But or a simple plan, but I feel like it's, it's just sort of enjoying itself.
01:09:07.304 --> 01:09:09.965
[UNKNOWN]: And Gregory Arcky is enjoying himself and the actors are all really great.
01:09:09.985 --> 01:09:13.946
[UNKNOWN]: And everybody's hot and horny and it's just fun to watch.
01:09:14.446 --> 01:09:15.866
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I had a good time with this one.
01:09:15.906 --> 01:09:30.670
[UNKNOWN]: And it was wild to see this one only a couple days after I saw one I'd only because they clearly have just the opposite view points about sex and control and the way human beings react to sexual matters.
01:09:31.895 --> 01:09:32.075
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:09:32.855 --> 01:09:34.236
[UNKNOWN]: Well, um, okay.
01:09:34.276 --> 01:09:39.538
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I think we're actually finally able to move on from the hornyness.
01:09:39.698 --> 01:09:49.141
[UNKNOWN]: Although certainly, uh, a lot of the characters on the next films are some of them are horny, but it's not really about their hornyness.
01:09:49.581 --> 01:09:49.781
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:09:51.182 --> 01:09:51.422
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:09:51.842 --> 01:09:53.003
[UNKNOWN]: I can't think of it as that way.
01:09:53.083 --> 01:09:53.983
[UNKNOWN]: The next film is Tony.
01:09:55.023 --> 01:09:59.545
[UNKNOWN]: Tony is a biopic of Anthony Burden, the famous chef,
01:10:00.196 --> 01:10:06.640
[UNKNOWN]: and author who really inspired a lot of people to look at food very differently and kudos.
01:10:07.521 --> 01:10:08.842
[UNKNOWN]: Newers I can tell a wonderful guy.
01:10:10.242 --> 01:10:17.267
[UNKNOWN]: But Tony very specifically is the story of a summer when Anthony Bridane was, I think, 19 years old.
01:10:18.631 --> 01:10:24.438
[UNKNOWN]: And the movie opens, I think, with one of the best epic graphs, I've ever seen in a movie.
01:10:24.458 --> 01:10:32.466
[UNKNOWN]: And epic graph is the quote that sometimes precedes a novel or film that puts what you're about to see in a certain amount of context.
01:10:34.628 --> 01:10:46.074
[UNKNOWN]: And the epigraph that starts Tony is as follows, and I think it is just absolutely exquisite, and I will have this in the second.
01:10:46.094 --> 01:10:50.856
[UNKNOWN]: My computer decided to freeze up on me right now, which I love for me.
01:10:50.937 --> 01:10:51.337
[UNKNOWN]: Here we go.
01:10:51.657 --> 01:10:52.677
[UNKNOWN]: Here we go.
01:10:52.797 --> 01:10:53.418
[UNKNOWN]: Here's the epigraph.
01:10:53.798 --> 01:10:57.680
[UNKNOWN]: I was, this is a quote from his autobiography, I was to be frank.
01:10:58.517 --> 01:11:09.924
[UNKNOWN]: a spoiled, miserable, narcissistic, self-destructive and thoughtless, young, loud and badly in need of a good-ask kicking.
01:11:12.466 --> 01:11:13.507
[UNKNOWN]: Does he get the ass kicking?
01:11:13.987 --> 01:11:14.967
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, he gets the ass kicking.
01:11:15.108 --> 01:11:18.029
[UNKNOWN]: He gets the ass, it's like the end of my day of his in Amber Sense.
01:11:18.049 --> 01:11:19.550
[UNKNOWN]: He gets his ass kicking twice filled.
01:11:21.444 --> 01:11:23.104
[UNKNOWN]: And I love that about this movie.
01:11:23.124 --> 01:11:29.706
[UNKNOWN]: This movie takes the Scott Alexander Larry Carazewski sort of inspiration for a biopic.
01:11:29.726 --> 01:11:35.448
[UNKNOWN]: These are the writers of films like Edward, people versus Larry Flint, man on the moon, and Dolomide is my name.
01:11:35.868 --> 01:11:39.649
[UNKNOWN]: And their philosophy is, don't tell the story of the person's entire life.
01:11:40.755 --> 01:11:43.378
[UNKNOWN]: look inside their life and find one story.
01:11:44.039 --> 01:11:45.821
[UNKNOWN]: And that story could take place over a year.
01:11:45.861 --> 01:11:47.143
[UNKNOWN]: That story places over a few years.
01:11:47.163 --> 01:11:49.225
[UNKNOWN]: It could be the story of one movie that they made.
01:11:49.485 --> 01:11:50.567
[UNKNOWN]: You don't have to tell it all.
01:11:51.107 --> 01:11:53.831
[UNKNOWN]: Antonio is all about the summer when this kid was 19.
01:11:55.272 --> 01:11:58.857
[UNKNOWN]: And he was an asshole and become slightly less of an asshole.
01:11:59.987 --> 01:12:01.568
[UNKNOWN]: And that is a very important summer.
01:12:02.148 --> 01:12:06.250
[UNKNOWN]: And I wish more people had that summer because some people never get it and there's the last goals.
01:12:07.091 --> 01:12:14.054
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like that's something a lot of us go through when we're like college age, when we're in, when we're night, when we're about 19.
01:12:14.094 --> 01:12:17.076
[UNKNOWN]: We start to realize, wait a minute, oh shit, I was 15.
01:12:17.496 --> 01:12:18.376
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that was awful.
01:12:19.017 --> 01:12:19.517
[UNKNOWN]: No, 19.
01:12:19.577 --> 01:12:20.898
[UNKNOWN]: You were, sorry, I was 15.
01:12:21.298 --> 01:12:25.120
[UNKNOWN]: You realize that you're not the center of the universe.
01:12:26.478 --> 01:12:28.018
[UNKNOWN]: And, again, some people never get that.
01:12:28.158 --> 01:12:29.039
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't think that's healthy.
01:12:29.179 --> 01:12:32.600
[UNKNOWN]: But in the case of Anthony Verdein, he gets there.
01:12:32.660 --> 01:12:45.963
[UNKNOWN]: And this epigraph lets you know that, and unfortunately, Anthony Verdein's life into tragically, but like later on in his life, he would be able to look back at what the story you're about to see and say, I was a dick, but I got better.
01:12:47.002 --> 01:12:55.545
[UNKNOWN]: And that allows you that allows filmmaker Matt Johnson, who directed earlier this year in Irvana, the band that showed the movie, which is wonderful.
01:12:55.585 --> 01:12:56.425
[UNKNOWN]: I finally caught up with it.
01:12:56.485 --> 01:12:56.865
[UNKNOWN]: Amazing.
01:12:56.905 --> 01:12:57.685
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I'm so glad you did.
01:12:57.705 --> 01:12:58.465
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I liked that one a lot.
01:12:58.485 --> 01:12:59.326
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's so good.
01:12:59.406 --> 01:13:00.166
[UNKNOWN]: And he didn't have the movie.
01:13:00.186 --> 01:13:04.687
[UNKNOWN]: I love the few years ago called Project Avalanche, or Operation Avalanche, excuse me.
01:13:05.467 --> 01:13:12.289
[UNKNOWN]: Which was about the conspiracy to fake the moon landing, which is just very inspired.
01:13:15.255 --> 01:13:30.101
[UNKNOWN]: No, like he, he absolutely doubles down on this, and he, it allows Matt Johnson and Dominic Sessa from the holdovers who plays Anthony Perdane to portray this guy unapologetically as a dick.
01:13:30.941 --> 01:13:35.062
[UNKNOWN]: And yet, we in the audience were allowed to still like him because we know he gets better.
01:13:36.263 --> 01:13:40.905
[UNKNOWN]: He has abundantly clear that this is something that even he looks back on and goes, I needed my ass kicked.
01:13:45.722 --> 01:14:13.966
[UNKNOWN]: He's in college and he thinks he is a shoe-in for writing fellowship and he's going to spend the entire summer Fucking around spending the university's money and then half-assing what sounds like the Shittiest book anyone has ever written It sounds like he's just pulling the the pitch out of his ass And he knows he's going to get it and then he goes home for this for like a few days like I'm about to head out to New York and Be the coolest guy in the universe the phone rings and he didn't get it
01:14:14.348 --> 01:14:17.009
[UNKNOWN]: And he can't tell his parents because he told them it was a done deal.
01:14:17.470 --> 01:14:19.391
[UNKNOWN]: So he steals all the money in his dad's wallet.
01:14:19.451 --> 01:14:20.411
[UNKNOWN]: And he follows this girl.
01:14:20.431 --> 01:14:22.432
[UNKNOWN]: He had a crush on him high school to Cape Cod.
01:14:22.933 --> 01:14:25.074
[UNKNOWN]: Not at her request, by the way.
01:14:25.854 --> 01:14:27.475
[UNKNOWN]: He just knows she's going to be there.
01:14:27.855 --> 01:14:30.697
[UNKNOWN]: So he grabbed some money and he was like, maybe we can fuck.
01:14:31.197 --> 01:14:31.897
[UNKNOWN]: And he gets there.
01:14:32.057 --> 01:14:34.139
[UNKNOWN]: And the first thing he finds out is he has a boyfriend.
01:14:34.619 --> 01:14:39.281
[UNKNOWN]: And then he just starts drinking himself into oblivion at this fish restaurant on Cape Cod.
01:14:39.782 --> 01:14:42.083
[UNKNOWN]: He hits on the waitress.
01:14:43.148 --> 01:14:44.249
[UNKNOWN]: he gets his ass kicked.
01:14:44.789 --> 01:14:46.250
[UNKNOWN]: He gets thrown out into the street.
01:14:46.650 --> 01:14:48.011
[UNKNOWN]: He gets his money stolen.
01:14:48.391 --> 01:14:52.313
[UNKNOWN]: And then the guy who runs the restaurant is played by Anthony Benderas.
01:14:53.534 --> 01:14:53.734
[UNKNOWN]: OK.
01:14:53.774 --> 01:14:57.116
[UNKNOWN]: Season takes pity on him and loves to sleep in it.
01:14:57.496 --> 01:14:57.676
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:14:58.136 --> 01:14:58.957
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:14:59.297 --> 01:15:01.738
[UNKNOWN]: Is Antonio Benderas named Burgerbeard?
01:15:04.389 --> 01:15:05.250
[UNKNOWN]: New York City restaurant.
01:15:06.452 --> 01:15:11.019
[UNKNOWN]: That was that was Antonio Benderis character's name in the SpongeBob movie.
01:15:11.740 --> 01:15:13.162
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, I don't record beard.
01:15:13.543 --> 01:15:14.103
[UNKNOWN]: I don't record all that.
01:15:14.123 --> 01:15:15.005
[UNKNOWN]: No, he plays a guy.
01:15:15.025 --> 01:15:16.647
[UNKNOWN]: He's literally only known as chef.
01:15:16.727 --> 01:15:17.508
[UNKNOWN]: No one knows this real name.
01:15:19.491 --> 01:15:24.556
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, he lets him sleep on his hammock and in order to pay for the money he needs to get out of town.
01:15:24.616 --> 01:15:25.857
[UNKNOWN]: He says you can watch dishes.
01:15:27.038 --> 01:15:30.141
[UNKNOWN]: No one ever asks and this I think this is a flaw.
01:15:30.461 --> 01:15:35.366
[UNKNOWN]: No one ever asks the waitress that he hit on so badly that he needs to be thrown out of the restaurant.
01:15:35.626 --> 01:15:36.747
[UNKNOWN]: How she feels about that.
01:15:37.803 --> 01:15:48.009
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, so the movie has flaws, uh, but if he's just some just like some 19-year-old punk, then you know, maybe she's willing to give it a slide, just because she knows he's long.
01:15:48.389 --> 01:15:49.050
[UNKNOWN]: And you know what?
01:15:49.550 --> 01:15:53.832
[UNKNOWN]: A scene where we addressed that, two lines of dialogue where we addressed that really would have helped.
01:15:54.473 --> 01:15:57.655
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, it's not, it's not an instant classic, but I mostly like it.
01:15:58.275 --> 01:16:00.957
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and so we spends the summer,
01:16:02.191 --> 01:16:15.374
[UNKNOWN]: working at this fish restaurant for a guy who is massively overqualified and just wants you know to run his own place and cook simple delicious, you know, lobster rolls and oysters.
01:16:16.094 --> 01:16:30.018
[UNKNOWN]: He ends up befriending a guy who is by his estimation, you know, not worth any one's time of day, just some like just some working clash club, played by
01:16:32.419 --> 01:16:34.381
[UNKNOWN]: is damn sexy in this movie.
01:16:34.502 --> 01:16:42.533
[UNKNOWN]: He's just he just exudes like you you see him walk into room and you're just like he's gonna have sex with three people tonight.
01:16:43.675 --> 01:16:46.539
[UNKNOWN]: Just because as a matter of principle.
01:16:48.494 --> 01:17:10.341
[UNKNOWN]: And when it's just standing next to this guy and realizing that this guy who comes from nothing, it isn't, you know, as well Red is Anthony Burden is, is a sexual powerhouse who everyone loves is just instantly shrinks and down to nothing all over again, and over the course of the summer, he starts, you know, getting to know the chef and developing a sort of, uh, uh,
01:17:10.961 --> 01:17:24.299
[UNKNOWN]: a mentor relationship and that entire time he's still being a piece of shit all the fucking time he ends up making really terrible choices that really hurt a lot of people who didn't deserve it and
01:17:26.061 --> 01:17:38.604
[UNKNOWN]: at the end, things get slightly better, and that's kind of the whole movie, it's not the end of his journey, it's not him becoming great, it's just him being able to be honest with himself and stop putting on airs.
01:17:39.605 --> 01:17:51.188
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that's a great story, in many respects it's sort of formulaic, I have never seen the TV series The Bear, I know a lot of people love it, I saw Tony with my girlfriend,
01:17:51.748 --> 01:17:56.592
[UNKNOWN]: and she had seen the bear, and she was like, you know, it's a lot of that's really similar to the bear.
01:17:57.373 --> 01:18:02.016
[UNKNOWN]: And I mean, that's, so, which is fine, understanding that like, the other people might be distracted.
01:18:02.076 --> 01:18:02.797
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, she was.
01:18:02.857 --> 01:18:12.905
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, there's a whole cable network, the food network, which is about, you know, there are many, many shows about life in a kitchen, Gordon Ramsay sort of exploded that made it kind of popularized it.
01:18:13.686 --> 01:18:18.369
[UNKNOWN]: My girlfriend specifically referenced like narrative tropes and character types.
01:18:19.342 --> 01:18:25.567
[UNKNOWN]: Um, which made it sound like a little bit more and I'm just me it may just be a coincidence, but made it sound like a little bit more distracting again.
01:18:25.707 --> 01:18:27.669
[UNKNOWN]: I'm I'm relaying second information here.
01:18:27.689 --> 01:18:28.690
[UNKNOWN]: That's not my critique.
01:18:28.790 --> 01:18:39.118
[UNKNOWN]: It was just something that I heard by point is that I feel like a lot of people might come into this the film having seen an incredibly popular show about a similar topic and I didn't.
01:18:39.913 --> 01:18:48.620
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so I wasn't distracted by any of that, and I still found it a little formulaic in the sort of coming of age, summer, I turned foody kind of way.
01:18:49.941 --> 01:18:51.682
[UNKNOWN]: But it's also just really well made.
01:18:52.002 --> 01:18:56.366
[UNKNOWN]: I think Matt Johnson, if you watch his film, Nirvana the Bandit Show, the movie.
01:18:58.847 --> 01:19:04.131
[UNKNOWN]: He made two films about dudes who are kind of assholes.
01:19:04.939 --> 01:19:05.219
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:19:05.419 --> 01:19:12.202
[UNKNOWN]: And yet, we, he finds a reason to care about them, they've not necessarily always loved them, but to care about them.
01:19:12.222 --> 01:19:14.003
[UNKNOWN]: You find something real underneath that.
01:19:14.563 --> 01:19:17.965
[UNKNOWN]: What does that as holishness stem from?
01:19:18.085 --> 01:19:25.689
[UNKNOWN]: What human quality does this seemingly inhuman behavior stem from?
01:19:27.535 --> 01:19:32.021
[UNKNOWN]: well also just fully embracing the fact that you're going to think these guys are assholes a lot of the time.
01:19:32.982 --> 01:19:34.423
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that's a really great approach.
01:19:36.105 --> 01:19:43.314
[UNKNOWN]: I know some people have a different relationship with Anthony Burden and maybe they wanted to see the more magnanimous
01:19:44.382 --> 01:19:54.587
[UNKNOWN]: later version of him, but I think this is a bold choice, and I think it's a very, very enjoyable film, and I like to quite a bit.
01:19:54.827 --> 01:20:07.133
[UNKNOWN]: I do believe, however, that it is interesting that, you know, it's dominant excesses film, and yet Antonio Benderis and especially Leo Woodall kind of acts circles around him, like he's good, but he's doing his guy from the holdovers.
01:20:07.613 --> 01:20:31.849
[UNKNOWN]: Whereas, at Thunderbendaris is playing a very interesting character and Leo Woodall is very, very interesting, a very specific character, and I feel like Matt Johnson and the cast were a little bit more interested in them than they were in Anthony Pradayne, or at least Thundic Cessus Performance is Anthony Pradayne, and certainly more than the character played by Amelia Jones, who Pradayne came to the chase, who is,
01:20:37.792 --> 01:20:45.943
[UNKNOWN]: So, again, it has issues, but I do think it mostly works, and I do like the overall approach to the biographical genre.
01:20:47.024 --> 01:20:51.030
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, I'm going to move on through these last three, these are genre films, and
01:20:53.647 --> 01:20:56.049
[UNKNOWN]: That only one of them is kind of good.
01:20:56.069 --> 01:21:01.553
[UNKNOWN]: So tell me about one of the bad ones because I've heard a lot of negative things about Eli Roth's ice cream man.
01:21:02.113 --> 01:21:03.674
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, there's a lot of bad things to say about it.
01:21:04.215 --> 01:21:05.455
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:21:05.516 --> 01:21:12.360
[UNKNOWN]: The question no one has been able to answer me is, is this a remake of the Clint Howard film from the late 90s?
01:21:13.021 --> 01:21:13.982
[UNKNOWN]: It is not.
01:21:15.042 --> 01:21:19.767
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, because I've absolutely 100% not the ice cream man from the late 90s.
01:21:19.787 --> 01:21:25.532
[UNKNOWN]: The Clint Howard is I think a little too obscure for all of critics to really cite as inspiration for this one.
01:21:25.592 --> 01:21:39.185
[UNKNOWN]: So as I still unclear I'm sure it was I'm sure that if it was a remake of ice cream man even if it had said so in the credits a lot of people who would see this movie would not even have that point of comparison
01:21:39.767 --> 01:21:51.978
[UNKNOWN]: uh... but no it's not it is about uh... it's more of a pipe paper kind of story um... it takes place in this very small very idyllic uh... community uh... it's it's the start of the summer is only two days left to school
01:21:52.873 --> 01:22:09.880
[UNKNOWN]: and there is a new ice cream van that is making the rounds around town on hot days and they're selling very weird, unusual brands of ice cream and giving all the kids ice cream and then later that night the ice cream van starts driving through town.
01:22:09.900 --> 01:22:11.700
[UNKNOWN]: It's a little bit like weapons actually in a way.
01:22:12.621 --> 01:22:21.584
[UNKNOWN]: The ice cream van starts going through town and playing their weird jingle and all of the children who ate the ice cream and we're saying little kits like nine in ten.
01:22:22.343 --> 01:22:22.623
[UNKNOWN]: Uh-huh.
01:22:23.423 --> 01:22:23.984
[UNKNOWN]: They get up.
01:22:25.564 --> 01:22:32.627
[UNKNOWN]: They grab something, uh, uh, a weapon of some kind, and they brutally murder their parents.
01:22:33.667 --> 01:22:36.528
[UNKNOWN]: And a very gory, disgusting way.
01:22:36.909 --> 01:22:43.851
[UNKNOWN]: Sometimes, honestly, that's most of the movie is just kids killing adults, which is children of corn.
01:22:43.871 --> 01:22:44.572
[UNKNOWN]: It's children of the corn.
01:22:49.907 --> 01:22:57.216
[UNKNOWN]: I think that the killer kids sub-genre is always really fascinating because, hang on, well done, thank you.
01:22:57.536 --> 01:23:02.221
[UNKNOWN]: Well done on that one, children of the corner, I don't want that to just slide by.
01:23:02.822 --> 01:23:03.122
[UNKNOWN]: Good job.
01:23:03.142 --> 01:23:04.484
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, thank you.
01:23:04.644 --> 01:23:09.810
[UNKNOWN]: Normally, you don't want to engage with the puns, so I think this is a huge compliment.
01:23:10.262 --> 01:23:16.105
[UNKNOWN]: But no, I think the killer kid genre is something that is really fascinating because it's really terrifying in its premise.
01:23:16.125 --> 01:23:18.806
[UNKNOWN]: We look at children and we see a sense of innocence.
01:23:18.826 --> 01:23:20.667
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, some kids are our beliefs.
01:23:22.118 --> 01:23:48.163
[UNKNOWN]: At some kids are mean for the sake of being mean, we've all had that experience, but for the most part we look at kids as, you know, I Dillick maybe a blank slate that will, you know, develop later and come in to hopefully a really good person and To watch a film like children of the corn or or I think then infinitely superior version of this the best version of this name was ever done The original Spanish film who can kill a child
01:23:49.019 --> 01:24:09.254
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, which is absolutely fucked up and terrifying, um, but the sea children who are not only immoral, but like, sadistic and violent, and to experience this from the perspective of adults who can't process what's happening.
01:24:09.274 --> 01:24:12.517
[UNKNOWN]: Like, what do I, I can't defend myself?
01:24:13.177 --> 01:24:14.118
[UNKNOWN]: They're a child.
01:24:14.158 --> 01:24:16.640
[UNKNOWN]: I have this innate human instinct to protect children.
01:24:17.738 --> 01:24:21.519
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and that leaves you vulnerable when those children become weaponized.
01:24:21.779 --> 01:24:30.340
[UNKNOWN]: And, you know, I mean, something like you can kill a child, it's just sort of this pure, insidious, not very well explained by levelance in children of the porn.
01:24:30.360 --> 01:24:40.002
[UNKNOWN]: A lot of the mayhem is actually off camera, which I think makes it a lot less scary, but it's more of a religious cult thing, which is kind of scary
01:24:44.697 --> 01:25:01.982
[UNKNOWN]: And a nice screen man, it's a magic ice cream and the magic ice cream makes all the kids, you know, they're they're cutting off their parents had there's one weird one where the kids tell their dad, hey, I dropped my friendship bracelet down the garbage disposal and he's like, well, can that wait till morning?
01:25:02.202 --> 01:25:03.103
[UNKNOWN]: No, I need it now.
01:25:03.143 --> 01:25:09.485
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, okay, and then he puts his hand down the garbage disposal and the kid walks across the the room.
01:25:10.525 --> 01:25:23.633
[UNKNOWN]: Like the opposite side of the room from the sink flips a switch and the garbage disposal turns on and I'm like who did the wiring in your house that you don't have the switch next to the garbage disposal?
01:25:23.873 --> 01:25:27.736
[UNKNOWN]: And then on top of that they set them on fire and I'm just like, can't you put the hat on a hat?
01:25:28.796 --> 01:25:29.736
[UNKNOWN]: like just kill you down.
01:25:30.257 --> 01:25:34.038
[UNKNOWN]: Like there's so many easier ways to do this like you made this really complicated.
01:25:34.338 --> 01:25:40.000
[UNKNOWN]: I appreciate that like these kids have like been drained of every aspect of their personality except their creativity.
01:25:42.080 --> 01:25:49.883
[UNKNOWN]: And there's like one kid in town who didn't eat the ice cream because he's lactose intolerant and someone who is lactose intolerant, it's nice to see some representation.
01:25:50.943 --> 01:25:53.244
[UNKNOWN]: But an heroic representation nonetheless.
01:25:53.504 --> 01:25:55.645
[UNKNOWN]: And a couple of kids who just by chance didn't
01:25:58.073 --> 01:26:21.052
[UNKNOWN]: they're just it takes them a while to realize what's happening and then all of a sudden and then seriously just the majority of the movie is we thought of a different gag for how a kid could kill an adult and then we show it and it's really it's really gross but that's basically it and it is amazing like the first time you see it's small child like brutally murdered an adult this early on camera.
01:26:21.503 --> 01:26:27.485
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it's shocking, you know, it's not something I haven't seen before, but you know, it's still like, yeah, gross.
01:26:28.366 --> 01:26:30.586
[UNKNOWN]: And then the second time, it's like, okay, still gross.
01:26:31.367 --> 01:26:36.148
[UNKNOWN]: And then the 20th time, you're like, okay, do you have anything else?
01:26:36.749 --> 01:26:39.850
[UNKNOWN]: And by the millionth time, you're just like, so you had nothing.
01:26:41.030 --> 01:26:42.231
[UNKNOWN]: You had nothing.
01:26:42.291 --> 01:26:43.711
[UNKNOWN]: You had nothing to say.
01:26:44.332 --> 01:26:46.933
[UNKNOWN]: You had nothing to explore.
01:26:46.953 --> 01:27:02.899
[UNKNOWN]: You just think it's, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I
01:27:10.554 --> 01:27:17.760
[UNKNOWN]: is merely an excuse to get to this very unwholesome like our U.O.K.
01:27:18.540 --> 01:27:20.402
[UNKNOWN]: kind of glee he takes and killing people.
01:27:20.422 --> 01:27:26.146
[UNKNOWN]: And I know there's a lot of people who watch the horror genre, love the horror genre, who say was not the point.
01:27:26.727 --> 01:27:30.009
[UNKNOWN]: We can indulge in the grotesque and you're right.
01:27:31.050 --> 01:27:38.676
[UNKNOWN]: But when a certain amount of extremity goes a long way and if that's all you've got, you somehow manage to take something.
01:27:39.957 --> 01:27:42.759
[UNKNOWN]: you know, gruesome and wild and make it dull.
01:27:43.640 --> 01:27:46.702
[UNKNOWN]: Eventually, we find out the backstory of this ice cream, man.
01:27:47.903 --> 01:27:53.326
[UNKNOWN]: And honestly, I was hoping that they would be, and they would have it's really late in the movie.
01:27:53.727 --> 01:27:57.849
[UNKNOWN]: I was hoping that that would like maybe pull all this together somehow.
01:27:58.550 --> 01:28:01.532
[UNKNOWN]: And then as soon as they reveal it, I was like, oh, that makes it worse.
01:28:02.563 --> 01:28:09.188
[UNKNOWN]: Because it seems like, it seems like the ice cream man is actually punishing the wrong people for their sin.
01:28:09.488 --> 01:28:11.830
[UNKNOWN]: Like, they were someone who didn't do anything wrong.
01:28:12.650 --> 01:28:17.614
[UNKNOWN]: And then they were essentially crucified by the community and now they're taking revenge on the community.
01:28:17.734 --> 01:28:17.954
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:28:18.154 --> 01:28:18.614
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:28:18.674 --> 01:28:20.556
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, it's like, right now I'm straight up.
01:28:20.716 --> 01:28:22.797
[UNKNOWN]: It's like name right now I'm straight up Freddie didn't do it.
01:28:23.258 --> 01:28:24.759
[UNKNOWN]: If Freddie was was railroaded.
01:28:26.440 --> 01:28:27.080
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:28:27.301 --> 01:28:27.901
[UNKNOWN]: I see your point.
01:28:29.472 --> 01:28:47.484
[UNKNOWN]: I think the fact that he ended up just becoming a killer, kind of torpedoes the idea that he was martyred, but okay, but then like there's a couple of twists and then you realize that just like, oh, this movie has no consistent sense of right and wrong.
01:28:47.504 --> 01:28:50.326
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't mean that it needs to be a moral horror film.
01:28:50.847 --> 01:28:53.549
[UNKNOWN]: I mean that the character's motivation makes no sense.
01:28:54.909 --> 01:28:56.711
[UNKNOWN]: And it didn't need to make much sense.
01:28:59.777 --> 01:29:02.078
[UNKNOWN]: Right, Halloween doesn't have a motivation.
01:29:02.158 --> 01:29:03.038
[UNKNOWN]: That's the motivation.
01:29:03.078 --> 01:29:04.059
[UNKNOWN]: You can be that simple.
01:29:04.099 --> 01:29:04.699
[UNKNOWN]: You can do it.
01:29:05.259 --> 01:29:07.420
[UNKNOWN]: But if you're gonna do it, it needs the track.
01:29:08.240 --> 01:29:08.460
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:29:08.640 --> 01:29:09.501
[UNKNOWN]: And it doesn't.
01:29:09.621 --> 01:29:12.002
[UNKNOWN]: And it leaves a whole film feeling very, very pointless.
01:29:12.922 --> 01:29:16.243
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, and there's a few good gorgags in here.
01:29:16.263 --> 01:29:17.404
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not gonna pretend there isn't.
01:29:17.444 --> 01:29:21.945
[UNKNOWN]: Although I will say, Eli Roth did something that drove me, really did a lot of things to drove me nuts.
01:29:21.965 --> 01:29:24.006
[UNKNOWN]: But you did one thing that's just like almost unforgivable.
01:29:24.306 --> 01:29:28.088
[UNKNOWN]: There's a beginning of the movie where there's one guy who's like dating the kids older sister.
01:29:29.008 --> 01:29:32.412
[UNKNOWN]: and he keeps talking about how he started a lawn mowing service.
01:29:33.092 --> 01:29:35.715
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, okay, so I see where this is going.
01:29:35.735 --> 01:29:37.657
[UNKNOWN]: We've all seen Peter Jackson's dead alive.
01:29:38.437 --> 01:29:40.219
[UNKNOWN]: Clearly we're gonna do a lawn mower sequence.
01:29:41.020 --> 01:29:41.861
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, great.
01:29:42.662 --> 01:29:43.723
[UNKNOWN]: I look forward to it.
01:29:44.383 --> 01:29:45.845
[UNKNOWN]: And never happens.
01:29:46.505 --> 01:29:47.807
[UNKNOWN]: Doesn't even almost happen.
01:29:48.107 --> 01:29:49.168
[UNKNOWN]: Just never happens.
01:29:49.208 --> 01:29:50.930
[UNKNOWN]: And like, what are we even doing here?
01:29:52.106 --> 01:30:03.934
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I would not, you know, I'd rather apparently said that he didn't use any AI to make this movie and then someone pointed out that an AI company was credited and had something to do with like this sort of animation that's on like a phone or something.
01:30:04.655 --> 01:30:05.095
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:30:05.295 --> 01:30:09.398
[UNKNOWN]: And then, and then he was like, oh, right, yeah, I guess we did and I was just like, okay, I don't trust you.
01:30:09.698 --> 01:30:11.740
[UNKNOWN]: I would not be surprised if AI wrote this screenplay.
01:30:11.760 --> 01:30:13.001
[UNKNOWN]: That's how bad the screenplay is.
01:30:13.521 --> 01:30:16.263
[UNKNOWN]: That's how soulless and pointless the screenplay is.
01:30:16.603 --> 01:30:17.224
[UNKNOWN]: Profot that.
01:30:18.024 --> 01:30:28.611
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I've noticed about Eli Roth, it's a filmmaker, because I recall seeing us film the green and fur now, and I couldn't really discern what the point of that movie was.
01:30:29.852 --> 01:30:43.700
[UNKNOWN]: As far as I could tell, Eli Roth was like trying to sleep in and was woke up, woken up by like some protesters outside, and decided to make a movie about how those protesters are going to be killed by cannibals in the woods.
01:30:44.121 --> 01:30:45.682
[UNKNOWN]: Like that's been, it's the only point.
01:30:46.462 --> 01:30:55.966
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, he literally, like recently said that Greta Thunberg should be eaten by cannibals for protesting against, you know, what was happening in Gaza.
01:30:56.546 --> 01:30:56.706
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:30:56.986 --> 01:30:59.347
[UNKNOWN]: So I think you might be on to something there.
01:31:00.768 --> 01:31:04.609
[UNKNOWN]: So he clearly like has it in for somebody.
01:31:04.749 --> 01:31:11.212
[UNKNOWN]: His films tend to be these kind of gross revenge fantasies that he's using movie violence against.
01:31:13.682 --> 01:31:23.869
[UNKNOWN]: I remember at the end of the green in front of he actually even listed other like really super gory zombie movies that inspired this film films like cannibal holocaust and cannibal ferrox.
01:31:26.391 --> 01:31:30.895
[UNKNOWN]: He is one of the least thoughtful directors I can think of.
01:31:31.675 --> 01:31:35.658
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like he has no idea anything it's just completely nihilistic.
01:31:36.849 --> 01:31:42.233
[UNKNOWN]: you know, I think I think there's only three things that Eli Roth has, and I haven't seen all of his movies, but I've seen most.
01:31:42.733 --> 01:31:45.315
[UNKNOWN]: There's only three things he's made that I thought were pretty good.
01:31:45.836 --> 01:31:52.621
[UNKNOWN]: One was the first hostile, which I thought at least had some good acting in it, and the pacing was strong, and the premise was really disturbing.
01:31:53.628 --> 01:32:04.336
[UNKNOWN]: Um, the other one was the house of the clock in its walls, which I think he was basically just a work for hire, and he was handed a good YA story, and he just had to not screw it up.
01:32:04.916 --> 01:32:14.783
[UNKNOWN]: And the other thing was the trailer, the fake trailer for Thanksgiving in the movie Grindhouse, which, yeah, I can handle Eli Roth for two minutes.
01:32:16.524 --> 01:32:19.266
[UNKNOWN]: For two minutes what he does can be amusing.
01:32:19.870 --> 01:32:34.720
[UNKNOWN]: But honestly, it's been a really long time since I've seen an Eli rather original that wasn't at best grading or it was made me just feel like I don't want to hang out with you and I want to hang out with a lot of horror filmmakers.
01:32:34.740 --> 01:32:35.781
[UNKNOWN]: People who make fucked up shit.
01:32:36.381 --> 01:32:39.483
[UNKNOWN]: But I get the impression that they're human being and they're being thoughtful about it.
01:32:40.237 --> 01:32:44.378
[UNKNOWN]: And I do not get that impression from Eli Roth, but this is not about necessarily judging it was a filmmaker.
01:32:44.398 --> 01:32:45.698
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to judge him for using AI.
01:32:46.199 --> 01:32:49.499
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to judge him for some of the things he said politically, but I'm just judging the film right now.
01:32:50.179 --> 01:32:56.281
[UNKNOWN]: If you didn't know who Eli Roth was, I scream and fucking sucks, but I will say this.
01:32:56.761 --> 01:33:00.162
[UNKNOWN]: The people who did the Gore effects brought their A game, they're very good.
01:33:00.903 --> 01:33:06.805
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, and if a film is just a set piece for Gore, I'm okay with that.
01:33:08.265 --> 01:33:12.366
[UNKNOWN]: It needs to be Gore with a function or a purpose or something interesting about it.
01:33:12.386 --> 01:33:16.108
[UNKNOWN]: I'm thinking of a dead-a-life or a brain dead, Peter Jackson's movie.
01:33:17.568 --> 01:33:21.070
[UNKNOWN]: There's a story in there somewhere like there's a story that seems forward.
01:33:21.570 --> 01:33:27.053
[UNKNOWN]: There's a story, but there's also like an attitude, actually, is making this really broad slapstick comedy.
01:33:27.073 --> 01:33:28.434
[UNKNOWN]: There's a tone to this thing.
01:33:28.474 --> 01:33:29.675
[UNKNOWN]: There's a good sense of pacing.
01:33:30.295 --> 01:33:32.676
[UNKNOWN]: And it's not just storytelling, it's really hilarious.
01:33:36.258 --> 01:33:36.759
[UNKNOWN]: That's a good point.
01:33:36.779 --> 01:33:44.766
[UNKNOWN]: You don't have to have a great story to do a gross out movie, but you do need to understand storytelling because there needs to be pacing.
01:33:44.886 --> 01:33:46.407
[UNKNOWN]: There needs to be build-up.
01:33:46.427 --> 01:33:48.829
[UNKNOWN]: There needs to be a moment where you're like, oh, not that guy.
01:33:49.630 --> 01:33:49.830
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:33:49.990 --> 01:33:52.853
[UNKNOWN]: You know, something, and here you just feel nothing all the way through it.
01:33:53.693 --> 01:33:55.435
[UNKNOWN]: And it just gets real boring real fast.
01:33:55.475 --> 01:33:57.577
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm so worried I just want to move on.
01:33:58.658 --> 01:34:01.881
[UNKNOWN]: There's another film that is comedic and it's
01:34:03.510 --> 01:34:05.877
[UNKNOWN]: But it's also not great, it's super troopers three.
01:34:06.601 --> 01:34:14.886
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, it's a latest film from the Broken Lizard comedy troupe who had made a film prior to super troopers, but that was their big breakout movie and the early 2000s.
01:34:14.946 --> 01:34:23.552
[UNKNOWN]: It was a wacky slob's versus snob's comedy about highway patrolmen and I can't remember if it's a Vermont or New Hampshire.
01:34:23.912 --> 01:34:24.993
[UNKNOWN]: It's a new movie.
01:34:25.373 --> 01:34:29.896
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's very out because there's the rumor like maple syrup drinking contests and stuff.
01:34:30.336 --> 01:34:32.237
[UNKNOWN]: I think the maple syrup in New Hampshire, the point is that
01:34:34.539 --> 01:34:37.680
[UNKNOWN]: And Vermont is known for its maple syrup, sir.
01:34:38.401 --> 01:34:43.284
[UNKNOWN]: If we have any Vermont listeners, they would take offense to you conflating the maple syrup from a new hand.
01:34:43.384 --> 01:34:47.386
[UNKNOWN]: I was pretty sure it's Vermont, and I didn't want to pause the podcast to check.
01:34:48.247 --> 01:34:49.808
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure it's Vermont.
01:34:51.028 --> 01:34:52.970
[UNKNOWN]: If you're wrong, someone gets to punch me in the arm.
01:34:53.490 --> 01:34:54.451
[UNKNOWN]: One person though.
01:34:54.531 --> 01:34:55.671
[UNKNOWN]: First come first served.
01:34:56.212 --> 01:34:57.012
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
01:34:57.632 --> 01:34:59.393
[UNKNOWN]: And you have to be able to explain why you did it.
01:34:59.413 --> 01:35:00.134
[UNKNOWN]: Otherwise, I'm going to be met.
01:35:01.076 --> 01:35:09.220
[UNKNOWN]: If you can explain cool fair enough, but anyway super troopers, you know, the first one's very very funny It's Genuinely got a lot of great comic set pieces.
01:35:09.240 --> 01:35:13.962
[UNKNOWN]: There's this wonderful recurring gag where these You know, these guys are pulling people over for speeding.
01:35:14.102 --> 01:35:19.105
[UNKNOWN]: They don't give a shit They're just using it as an excuse to pull pranks
01:35:20.245 --> 01:35:32.648
[UNKNOWN]: Basically, there's this one really great bit where they realize that these kids are like driving well high and They like pull them over, but then they start driving back and forth past them real fast And they just like freaking out and they don't know what's happening.
01:35:32.668 --> 01:35:42.730
[UNKNOWN]: There's another one where it's they pull over Behind the car that's already been pulled over a full of the high kids and they say could you pull over their freaking we can't pull over anymore We don't know what what's happening.
01:35:42.750 --> 01:35:48.932
[UNKNOWN]: We don't know what to do That's funny because they feel like they're in trouble, but it's also kind of low stakes and it's a great
01:35:49.808 --> 01:35:51.829
[UNKNOWN]: It's a great recurring gag, and you can always come up with something fun.
01:35:53.029 --> 01:35:57.331
[UNKNOWN]: The sequel came out many years later, and it's mostly just okay.
01:35:57.771 --> 01:36:01.673
[UNKNOWN]: It has one of the funniest openings of any comedy I've seen in many, many years.
01:36:01.713 --> 01:36:07.095
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was so upset to find that that was a dream sequence.
01:36:07.135 --> 01:36:12.077
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, the first, seven minutes of SuperTubers, too, is the only part worth watching.
01:36:12.858 --> 01:36:13.078
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:36:13.730 --> 01:36:15.710
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, it's genuinely, yeah, it's genuinely quite genius.
01:36:15.730 --> 01:36:17.231
[UNKNOWN]: And then about the movie, you guys were okay.
01:36:17.271 --> 01:36:18.111
[UNKNOWN]: It's just kind of forgettable.
01:36:18.651 --> 01:36:21.391
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, another back with Super Troopers 3 and Super Troopers 3.
01:36:21.471 --> 01:36:27.392
[UNKNOWN]: Um, in my review, I described it less as like a sequel and more like a wellness check.
01:36:28.273 --> 01:36:30.233
[UNKNOWN]: Like we're just kind of like, oh, are they still here?
01:36:30.773 --> 01:36:31.633
[UNKNOWN]: Are they doing okay?
01:36:32.233 --> 01:36:37.914
[UNKNOWN]: And once I find that out, I can go like, I don't mean to hang out with them.
01:36:37.954 --> 01:36:41.495
[UNKNOWN]: I just want to make sure that there's, because I like the characters, I want to make sure they're okay.
01:36:41.932 --> 01:36:46.433
[UNKNOWN]: But if they're not going to like, if we're not going to do anything this time, I can go about my business.
01:36:47.473 --> 01:36:51.894
[UNKNOWN]: And this is just about one of the other super troopers, the one everyone hates.
01:36:52.814 --> 01:36:54.895
[UNKNOWN]: Farva, that's it.
01:36:55.335 --> 01:36:55.575
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry.
01:36:56.255 --> 01:36:59.456
[UNKNOWN]: Farva is going to marry Thorny's sister.
01:36:59.496 --> 01:37:01.696
[UNKNOWN]: Thorny is the defacto leader of the super troopers.
01:37:01.736 --> 01:37:03.917
[UNKNOWN]: He's played by director J. Chandra Sankar.
01:37:05.117 --> 01:37:05.237
[UNKNOWN]: And
01:37:06.927 --> 01:37:10.348
[UNKNOWN]: He hates Farva, Farva's one of the worst human beings imaginable.
01:37:10.408 --> 01:37:18.890
[UNKNOWN]: Imagine if like, imagine Bouger from revenge of the nerds if he was a million times worse, but that's Farva.
01:37:19.350 --> 01:37:24.292
[UNKNOWN]: And now he's gonna marry his sister and he's just like, well, I have to stop this wedding and that's it.
01:37:25.112 --> 01:37:30.573
[UNKNOWN]: And the movie I kept thinking of while I was watching Super Troopers 3 and this is not a compliment.
01:37:37.888 --> 01:38:04.941
[UNKNOWN]: Which was the TV movie sequel to revenge of the nerds the one that you make because you can Not because anyone demanded it, but because like yeah, we can get we can get that one Carrying we can get them you know like we can we can do that and we can just half-ass some shit and then we'll call her into the nerds and we'll be good and
01:38:06.682 --> 01:38:07.986
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's, that's what it is.
01:38:08.006 --> 01:38:11.355
[UNKNOWN]: It's a very super trooper's wedding, and it's not a very good super trooper's wedding.
01:38:12.759 --> 01:38:12.999
[UNKNOWN]: There's,
01:38:15.238 --> 01:38:16.099
[UNKNOWN]: one good joke.
01:38:16.479 --> 01:38:17.279
[UNKNOWN]: There's two good jokes.
01:38:17.599 --> 01:38:23.802
[UNKNOWN]: There's one bit where Farva at his bachelor party wants to do a bunch of weird shit because of course he does.
01:38:24.123 --> 01:38:32.627
[UNKNOWN]: But the one that's like, because the thing with the other super troopers movies and even the other broken lizard movies is even when they're not great, there's usually like a couple of really inspired comedic scenes.
01:38:33.447 --> 01:38:38.370
[UNKNOWN]: Like I forgot most of beer fest, but there are parts of beer fest I will never forget until I die.
01:38:42.163 --> 01:39:05.598
[UNKNOWN]: there's a scene where far above for his back support he says as you all know i'm allergic to shellfish and they're like we didn't know that and spot uh this is my last night is free man so i'm gonna eat this entire lobster and i'm gonna and he throws everyone an epi pen and he just says you are not allowed to hit me with the
01:39:06.648 --> 01:39:17.898
[UNKNOWN]: until I give the safe word and then he just starts pounding this lobster and turning bright red and when everyone tries to hit him with an epipen, he inexplicably fights them off.
01:39:18.239 --> 01:39:23.864
[UNKNOWN]: Like he's the incredible hook, like you can't breathe, but he's not like he's accidentally like waving his arms.
01:39:23.884 --> 01:39:27.047
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, no, I will finish this lobster with no epipen.
01:39:27.807 --> 01:39:29.709
[UNKNOWN]: It's so absurd.
01:39:29.869 --> 01:39:31.030
[UNKNOWN]: I kind of had to cheer.
01:39:31.090 --> 01:39:32.131
[UNKNOWN]: And then there was one,
01:39:33.005 --> 01:39:40.730
[UNKNOWN]: Dakota, about these two characters, and there's a little twist with what they were doing the whole movie that is genuinely quite inspired.
01:39:41.351 --> 01:39:44.113
[UNKNOWN]: It's not worth watching the whole movie to get to those.
01:39:44.133 --> 01:39:57.002
[UNKNOWN]: The rest of the movie is very perfunctory, it's very half-hearted, I did appreciate, I'm one of the people at any time I see someone from dropout, the streaming network, I'm going, hey, so it was nice to see Lisa Gil, right?
01:39:57.822 --> 01:39:58.283
[UNKNOWN]: Nice.
01:39:59.032 --> 01:40:01.314
[UNKNOWN]: They don't know, they're chasing it to do enough, but it's nice to see her.
01:40:02.074 --> 01:40:03.395
[UNKNOWN]: And that's it, really.
01:40:03.516 --> 01:40:06.438
[UNKNOWN]: If you like the other Super Troopers movies, this is the worst one.
01:40:07.118 --> 01:40:18.968
[UNKNOWN]: But it's not like so terrible or anything that you should avoid it, but I think it's literally just only for people who love the Super Troopers movie and won't mind that this isn't the good one because they just like the characters.
01:40:19.568 --> 01:40:24.313
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's the, that's been sort of the thing about broken wizards movies in general.
01:40:25.394 --> 01:40:28.556
[UNKNOWN]: They're, they're like national ampune light.
01:40:28.997 --> 01:40:32.140
[UNKNOWN]: They know how to be shocking, but they know where the line is.
01:40:32.180 --> 01:40:34.942
[UNKNOWN]: They know never to sort of cross and start punching down.
01:40:35.423 --> 01:40:37.144
[UNKNOWN]: Their movie is generally a pretty,
01:40:38.155 --> 01:40:59.233
[UNKNOWN]: Afable rather than fold on funny the first super tippers is really funny But you watch something like the slamming salmon and it's like um, there's a lot of Funny bits in that but I would never declare that one to be a comedy classic, you know No, no, I agree Well, I think it was how slamming salmon but I would definitely agree about quasi They're weird quasi-modo.
01:40:59.933 --> 01:41:06.419
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, parody that a few years ago, which I Mean I'm that's one of those ones where it's just like
01:41:08.220 --> 01:41:09.321
[UNKNOWN]: Who asked for that?
01:41:10.622 --> 01:41:17.168
[UNKNOWN]: Like nobody was saying, now is the time for a hunchback of Notre Dame, Mel Brooksy and Riff.
01:41:17.649 --> 01:41:23.774
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, I just, I don't know where the demand was, it's an inspired, this idea.
01:41:24.858 --> 01:41:52.534
[UNKNOWN]: kind of random if it was funny it would have worked and that is not the thing you want to say about a comedy if it was funny it would have worked that's it's an anecdote I've said a few times before but when I was a little kid and the supermerber the movie it come out the Bob Hoskins John like wasama one that everyone hated at the time and finally has somewhat positive cult representation now but I wanted to see it and my parents were like
01:41:54.642 --> 01:41:58.404
[UNKNOWN]: all of my hopes were on Cisco and Ebert.
01:41:58.844 --> 01:42:04.146
[UNKNOWN]: That's like if they have anything nice to say about this movie, I can convince my parents to take and see Super Mario Brothers the movie.
01:42:04.727 --> 01:42:06.027
[UNKNOWN]: And they eviscerated it.
01:42:06.327 --> 01:42:09.749
[UNKNOWN]: The closest thing they said to a compliment, I glomed on to.
01:42:10.249 --> 01:42:13.651
[UNKNOWN]: They said, you know, if this had had a good script, it might have worked.
01:42:14.211 --> 01:42:16.912
[UNKNOWN]: And I just said, see mom, if it had a good script, it would be good.
01:42:17.132 --> 01:42:18.773
[UNKNOWN]: And my mom was like, that means it's bad.
01:42:20.053 --> 01:42:30.095
[UNKNOWN]: Like any movie would be better with a better script like the apartment if you could make a better script in the apartment the apartment would be better.
01:42:31.208 --> 01:42:34.690
[UNKNOWN]: Like it is just not even worth mentioning all that.
01:42:35.031 --> 01:42:42.275
[UNKNOWN]: I think Gene Cisco actually brought up that point where somebody set one of the two of them said, well, if it had a better script, it would be better.
01:42:42.375 --> 01:42:45.017
[UNKNOWN]: And the other one said, that's a meaningless criticism.
01:42:45.037 --> 01:42:46.158
[UNKNOWN]: You could say that about any movie.
01:42:46.178 --> 01:42:46.358
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:42:47.199 --> 01:42:54.183
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I think the generous thing that they were trying to say was that theoretically, there's no reason why Super Mario Brothers movie had to be bad.
01:42:54.924 --> 01:42:57.045
[UNKNOWN]: You would have just had to write a better script for it.
01:42:57.085 --> 01:42:59.567
[UNKNOWN]: Like the conceptually, it isn't necessarily.
01:43:00.046 --> 01:43:02.167
[UNKNOWN]: bad that they did this, they just did it bad.
01:43:02.928 --> 01:43:07.471
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and again, you know, the movie is, I mean, it's not very good adaptation.
01:43:07.991 --> 01:43:11.474
[UNKNOWN]: Super Mario Brothers, but it's quirky and weird and it's fun, but like, no one was in time.
01:43:11.554 --> 01:43:12.214
[UNKNOWN]: I love that movie.
01:43:12.254 --> 01:43:12.554
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:43:13.175 --> 01:43:26.724
[UNKNOWN]: I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I don't necessarily I say I love it, but I have a lot of affection for it, and I appreciate how long, how bonkers it is, but my point is, my point is that at least, my mother's movie was weird.
01:43:29.402 --> 01:43:32.223
[UNKNOWN]: that weird, especially not by SuperTripist standards.
01:43:32.243 --> 01:43:33.824
[UNKNOWN]: So I really don't have much more to say about it.
01:43:33.844 --> 01:43:34.584
[UNKNOWN]: I'm eager to move on.
01:43:35.165 --> 01:43:36.845
[UNKNOWN]: There's one more film I wanted to discuss.
01:43:37.006 --> 01:43:40.607
[UNKNOWN]: It is the Netflix paranormal thriller The Last House.
01:43:42.208 --> 01:43:47.530
[UNKNOWN]: This movie stars a Wagner Mora from the secret agent,
01:43:53.442 --> 01:43:56.664
[UNKNOWN]: from, um, oh my god, why am I blanking on this?
01:43:57.765 --> 01:43:59.326
[UNKNOWN]: The Oscar nominated film she was in.
01:44:00.927 --> 01:44:02.348
[UNKNOWN]: With the sleep songs, first film.
01:44:03.369 --> 01:44:05.330
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, um, Dukali.
01:44:05.390 --> 01:44:05.951
[UNKNOWN]: The good one.
01:44:06.091 --> 01:44:06.551
[UNKNOWN]: Wow.
01:44:07.071 --> 01:44:09.573
[UNKNOWN]: I am the worst film critic who ever lived right now.
01:44:10.479 --> 01:44:11.740
[UNKNOWN]: I am totally spacing out.
01:44:13.000 --> 01:44:17.082
[UNKNOWN]: When in my computer is slow, please, please, please, please, stop, I can't cut this.
01:44:17.202 --> 01:44:20.204
[UNKNOWN]: I have to, and so humanizing.
01:44:20.484 --> 01:44:21.845
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, and I love that movie, too.
01:44:21.885 --> 01:44:22.345
[UNKNOWN]: It's a great movie.
01:44:22.405 --> 01:44:23.225
[UNKNOWN]: It's a great movie.
01:44:24.006 --> 01:44:24.966
[UNKNOWN]: My girlfriend's gonna kill me.
01:44:24.986 --> 01:44:25.887
[UNKNOWN]: She loves this movie.
01:44:26.107 --> 01:44:28.768
[UNKNOWN]: It's called, Tron Aries.
01:44:29.409 --> 01:44:30.929
[UNKNOWN]: Tron Aries, that was it.
01:44:31.009 --> 01:44:35.612
[UNKNOWN]: Brilliant movie, spoke to the many great human wonders.
01:44:36.658 --> 01:44:47.366
[UNKNOWN]: of being a tron right like who doesn't love who doesn't love being a tron right past lives past lives that was it.
01:44:47.446 --> 01:44:48.106
[UNKNOWN]: I love past lives.
01:44:48.126 --> 01:44:48.927
[UNKNOWN]: I got there on my own.
01:44:49.067 --> 01:44:50.368
[UNKNOWN]: I got there on my own past lives.
01:44:50.428 --> 01:44:50.728
[UNKNOWN]: Okay
01:44:51.459 --> 01:44:53.420
[UNKNOWN]: Man, 44 is no joke.
01:44:54.120 --> 01:44:56.141
[UNKNOWN]: 44 ages, does all of a sudden it's going downhill.
01:44:58.181 --> 01:45:01.682
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, Gretelian and Wagnermore, they play parents of two kids.
01:45:02.403 --> 01:45:03.503
[UNKNOWN]: They live in the suburbs.
01:45:03.643 --> 01:45:05.484
[UNKNOWN]: They're not doing great.
01:45:06.224 --> 01:45:08.745
[UNKNOWN]: He's an engineer, this is the career isn't going good.
01:45:08.845 --> 01:45:10.665
[UNKNOWN]: I forget what she says she does for a living.
01:45:11.425 --> 01:45:14.987
[UNKNOWN]: And he's also a fisherman, good for him.
01:45:15.507 --> 01:45:17.347
[UNKNOWN]: And their house is starting to fall apart a bit.
01:45:19.838 --> 01:45:21.899
[UNKNOWN]: All right, we, here they are.
01:45:22.120 --> 01:45:22.440
[UNKNOWN]: They're here.
01:45:23.400 --> 01:45:26.983
[UNKNOWN]: And then the beginning of the movie, there's a storm kind of comes from out of nowhere.
01:45:28.003 --> 01:45:28.544
[UNKNOWN]: It's the town.
01:45:29.384 --> 01:45:34.307
[UNKNOWN]: And we, as the rain starts hitting the house, we get like a close-up of like the door.
01:45:34.768 --> 01:45:36.769
[UNKNOWN]: And we see the rain isn't just falling downward.
01:45:37.349 --> 01:45:43.793
[UNKNOWN]: It's like coating the door and like moving with intentionality like into the locks.
01:45:44.914 --> 01:45:49.157
[UNKNOWN]: And the next morning, they find that they can't leave the house.
01:45:50.418 --> 01:45:51.459
[UNKNOWN]: The doors don't open.
01:45:52.199 --> 01:45:53.660
[UNKNOWN]: The windows don't open.
01:45:54.441 --> 01:45:55.921
[UNKNOWN]: The windows don't break.
01:45:56.902 --> 01:46:01.245
[UNKNOWN]: The walls only break until you get to the outer wall and then there's nothing you can do.
01:46:02.525 --> 01:46:03.346
[UNKNOWN]: They're trapped.
01:46:04.287 --> 01:46:06.308
[UNKNOWN]: Like simply a little locked inside.
01:46:06.348 --> 01:46:06.668
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:46:06.808 --> 01:46:08.109
[UNKNOWN]: Supernaturally locked inside.
01:46:08.149 --> 01:46:09.510
[UNKNOWN]: We know it has something to do with the rain.
01:46:09.570 --> 01:46:11.511
[UNKNOWN]: It takes them a while to figure that out.
01:46:11.551 --> 01:46:17.114
[UNKNOWN]: Very Shyamalanesque kind of like, Ooh, isn't that creepy kind of way?
01:46:19.050 --> 01:46:23.413
[UNKNOWN]: And of course initially, they're like, okay, clearly this is a puzzle to be solved, we'll figure it out.
01:46:23.513 --> 01:46:26.295
[UNKNOWN]: Or, oh, I can see the neighbors have in the same problem somehow.
01:46:26.816 --> 01:46:29.938
[UNKNOWN]: Someone is going to come help and fix this because clearly this is a problem.
01:46:30.378 --> 01:46:30.999
[UNKNOWN]: And no one ever does.
01:46:31.659 --> 01:46:33.020
[UNKNOWN]: And everyone's just trapped in their houses.
01:46:33.720 --> 01:46:39.905
[UNKNOWN]: And, you know, the movie ad dares to ask the question, you know, what would it be like?
01:46:41.018 --> 01:46:53.003
[UNKNOWN]: If everyone was suddenly stuck in their houses for a really long time, and it's like, whoa, can you imagine, oh God, can you imagine how weird that would be?
01:46:53.023 --> 01:46:55.524
[UNKNOWN]: I know, what a concept.
01:46:56.605 --> 01:47:06.629
[UNKNOWN]: It's so weird because the movie, you know, Hollywood has this weird thing where there's a few movies, a few TV shows, which have embraced the idea that, you know, the pandemic
01:47:09.753 --> 01:47:09.933
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:47:10.413 --> 01:47:24.460
[UNKNOWN]: And people lived through it, people had experiences in it, people were changed by people, lost people or almost died or and they may be not embracing is the right word, but they accept the reality that we all went through this.
01:47:25.021 --> 01:47:28.502
[UNKNOWN]: But there's a lot of movie since TV shows that just pretend that didn't happen.
01:47:29.523 --> 01:47:29.743
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:47:29.823 --> 01:47:32.304
[UNKNOWN]: That's just like, and there's not a brighter than the script.
01:47:32.324 --> 01:47:32.585
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:47:33.025 --> 01:47:37.827
[UNKNOWN]: They don't know how to write into the script or there's this mentality of people don't want to even think about it, man.
01:47:38.287 --> 01:47:38.628
[UNKNOWN]: It's such
01:47:40.300 --> 01:47:42.983
[UNKNOWN]: And, you know, it still does in a lot of ways.
01:47:43.023 --> 01:47:45.265
[UNKNOWN]: It's just initially when we didn't know anything.
01:47:46.026 --> 01:47:51.591
[UNKNOWN]: And it was all very sudden and nobody had any answers and everyone was very afraid of everything.
01:47:52.292 --> 01:47:57.016
[UNKNOWN]: And, you know, I'm sure other people have this experience.
01:47:57.036 --> 01:48:03.823
[UNKNOWN]: But like, I had to drive around like all of LA County just to find toilet paper once.
01:48:04.713 --> 01:48:25.232
[UNKNOWN]: And I barely did like it was bad like and then you know, so we were all just like Oh, last can't a cream corn like it was it was difficult and it was sudden and no one was very few people at least were actually prepared for that kind of thing Um Just make a movie about that
01:48:26.560 --> 01:48:34.382
[UNKNOWN]: because this, the supernatural element of this is feel so arbitrary and force considering we know that this can literally basically just happen.
01:48:34.402 --> 01:48:38.203
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, literally you could go outside, but functionally you couldn't.
01:48:39.724 --> 01:48:45.305
[UNKNOWN]: And so here there's a magical paranormal sci-fi reason.
01:48:47.886 --> 01:48:49.066
[UNKNOWN]: And they're there for years.
01:48:50.166 --> 01:48:50.567
[UNKNOWN]: Oh gosh.
01:48:50.847 --> 01:48:53.187
[UNKNOWN]: And we're fair enough, right?
01:48:53.367 --> 01:48:54.047
[UNKNOWN]: But they can't go out.
01:48:54.067 --> 01:48:54.388
[UNKNOWN]: They can't
01:48:57.046 --> 01:49:11.455
[UNKNOWN]: And there's a moment later in the movie where someone just says like we didn't survive because we're special we survived because we got lucky and I was like, no you survived because of a unthinkable number of contrivances.
01:49:12.336 --> 01:49:15.618
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, dad's an engineer in a fisherman turns out we're going to need exactly those skills.
01:49:15.738 --> 01:49:17.659
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, your daughter was really into aerial silks.
01:49:17.739 --> 01:49:27.044
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to need those aerial silks otherwise we can't get out of the sand and and you know, there's a skill to that if you want to see contriven's done right.
01:49:28.785 --> 01:49:31.846
[UNKNOWN]: Watch the opening of home alone.
01:49:33.087 --> 01:49:37.169
[UNKNOWN]: Because the only way home alone can happen.
01:49:38.448 --> 01:49:43.310
[UNKNOWN]: is if a trillion little things happen, right?
01:49:44.531 --> 01:49:54.296
[UNKNOWN]: And the odds of them happening are infinitesimal, but the way John Hughes puts it together, the first time you watch it, it doesn't feel inorganic.
01:49:55.096 --> 01:49:58.398
[UNKNOWN]: It feels like a big coincidence, but it doesn't feel like, oh, that could never happen.
01:49:58.718 --> 01:50:03.120
[UNKNOWN]: You watch it again and you realize, oh, everything he needs is in that house.
01:50:03.957 --> 01:50:14.188
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, that's a huge one if buzz didn't have like his savings like in that box Kevin screwed like the whole movie falls apart You need everything in that house.
01:50:14.208 --> 01:50:21.155
[UNKNOWN]: You need every little tiny miscommunication that leads to them leaving Kevin home and then they can't get back to him in time
01:50:22.861 --> 01:50:23.662
[UNKNOWN]: There's a skill to that.
01:50:24.022 --> 01:50:28.105
[UNKNOWN]: And the last house doesn't completely with it, but they really should never have called attention to it.
01:50:28.646 --> 01:50:31.728
[UNKNOWN]: Because as soon as you do, it's like, oh, yeah, no, yeah.
01:50:31.888 --> 01:50:37.813
[UNKNOWN]: It's the reason you're the ones who are surviving right now is because you were the ones who had a screenwriter looking out for you.
01:50:40.435 --> 01:50:42.477
[UNKNOWN]: I will say this for the last house, because I don't hate this movie.
01:50:42.497 --> 01:50:43.878
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's a bad movie.
01:50:44.058 --> 01:50:46.240
[UNKNOWN]: I think it, oh, it thinks,
01:50:49.017 --> 01:50:56.500
[UNKNOWN]: And the fact that it pretends that the lockdown never happened and nobody ever references it, we kind of really brings it down a lot because it's such the elephant on the room.
01:50:57.160 --> 01:51:06.683
[UNKNOWN]: And it's just like, it's seriously fucked and we're on and we're going to leave to be saying like, okay, well, we've been through this before, at least initially, you know, it's like, okay, this is not unlike something we've done before.
01:51:06.783 --> 01:51:07.823
[UNKNOWN]: So we'll go through this again.
01:51:07.843 --> 01:51:08.984
[UNKNOWN]: We'll check see how many batteries we have.
01:51:09.024 --> 01:51:09.544
[UNKNOWN]: Yadiyada.
01:51:12.848 --> 01:51:17.050
[UNKNOWN]: And the other thing I do like about, well there's two other things like that, one, gradually invite them or are great actors.
01:51:17.670 --> 01:51:21.012
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, they don't have a ton to work with, but they may get work.
01:51:21.152 --> 01:51:24.034
[UNKNOWN]: This is one of those movies that is very saved by star power.
01:51:24.854 --> 01:51:33.018
[UNKNOWN]: Like it's just they're so fun, they're so good to watch some interesting to watch that even though it's not the greatest screenplay in the world, they carry it, they're very good.
01:51:33.638 --> 01:51:33.919
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:51:34.999 --> 01:51:40.722
[UNKNOWN]: The other thing I will say is that this could have been one of those movies where they never say what's going on.
01:51:41.643 --> 01:51:45.307
[UNKNOWN]: In the third act, we actually see some shit.
01:51:45.907 --> 01:51:47.889
[UNKNOWN]: I won't say what, because someone, you might want to see it.
01:51:49.831 --> 01:52:00.201
[UNKNOWN]: And the shit that we see puts this film squarely in a horror tradition that makes a lot of sense.
01:52:01.002 --> 01:52:02.304
[UNKNOWN]: And you don't necessarily see coming.
01:52:03.463 --> 01:52:09.727
[UNKNOWN]: And you might, because they play fair, but like, don't not necessarily, and then once they go there, you're just like, oh, I see what you did.
01:52:09.787 --> 01:52:11.528
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, that's kind of cool.
01:52:12.509 --> 01:52:14.670
[UNKNOWN]: That's a good visual effects, I'm down.
01:52:14.970 --> 01:52:24.276
[UNKNOWN]: So as a horror nerd, I appreciated where it ended up in terms of how the paranormal element escalates.
01:52:25.737 --> 01:52:30.220
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't appreciate where it ended up like sort of dramatically because it felt very forced.
01:52:31.561 --> 01:52:39.986
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, this for me is Netflix Saturday afternoon.
01:52:41.887 --> 01:52:50.592
[UNKNOWN]: If you have nothing to do on a Saturday afternoon and you put on Netflix and we say, hey, the last house, yeah, you'll like have like an okay time watching it.
01:52:51.232 --> 01:52:53.773
[UNKNOWN]: But it's clearly a series of missed opportunities.
01:52:53.833 --> 01:52:56.154
[UNKNOWN]: It's clearly a cast who was overqualified for this.
01:52:56.694 --> 01:52:58.214
[UNKNOWN]: It's clearly something that could have been better.
01:52:58.554 --> 01:53:00.455
[UNKNOWN]: But I also, it's not terrible.
01:53:00.575 --> 01:53:04.916
[UNKNOWN]: And more listing the reasons why it's not especially good than anything else.
01:53:05.236 --> 01:53:07.197
[UNKNOWN]: So, that is the last house.
01:53:07.497 --> 01:53:09.758
[UNKNOWN]: And that is it for our movie reviews.
01:53:09.858 --> 01:53:11.278
[UNKNOWN]: We're gonna review our movies.
01:53:12.259 --> 01:53:16.400
[UNKNOWN]: On the critically clean scale, got him tired.
01:53:18.511 --> 01:53:20.911
[UNKNOWN]: I have to write in publish like five reviews today.
01:53:21.011 --> 01:53:21.351
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:53:21.432 --> 01:53:21.632
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:53:21.652 --> 01:53:26.793
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, I know it sounds like I'm really, you know, Oh, what a tragedy.
01:53:26.833 --> 01:53:28.894
[UNKNOWN]: Like it's a lot of work.
01:53:29.174 --> 01:53:31.075
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, but anyway, I'm just tired.
01:53:31.615 --> 01:53:34.136
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we review movies on a scale of C minus to C plus.
01:53:34.956 --> 01:53:37.497
[UNKNOWN]: A C minus is a movie we consider below average.
01:53:37.517 --> 01:53:39.017
[UNKNOWN]: These are movies that we don't recommend.
01:53:39.137 --> 01:53:41.778
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe we're passionate about how much we don't recommend them.
01:53:41.818 --> 01:53:43.799
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe we're dispatched in it, but we just don't think they're very good.
01:53:44.634 --> 01:54:04.202
[UNKNOWN]: A C is an average movie, these are movies that we think are just okay, or mediocre, or good for one audience, bad for another audience, and then a C plus is a movie that is above average, these are movies that we genuinely recommend whether we think they're instant classics are just really fun on that note, the last house, a really good example of a C.
01:54:05.234 --> 01:54:09.916
[UNKNOWN]: It's not going to blow your mind, but it will carry your interest.
01:54:09.936 --> 01:54:12.877
[UNKNOWN]: There are things about it that definitely don't work and things about it that definitely do.
01:54:12.957 --> 01:54:15.738
[UNKNOWN]: It kind of averages out to just okay.
01:54:16.658 --> 01:54:24.180
[UNKNOWN]: Supertubers 3 is dispassionate C-minus, like it's not like miserable, but all these people can be funnier.
01:54:24.921 --> 01:54:32.703
[UNKNOWN]: And there's not really a particularly interesting reason to come back at this point in their lives other than the check to see if they're still there and it turns out they are.
01:54:35.113 --> 01:54:58.771
[UNKNOWN]: ice cream in huge sea minus kudos to the gore to the practical gore a team they did a great job but ely Roth really shits the bad in the storytelling department like it's just a really not good movie and you know yeah okay there's some novelty in some of the kills but you can't build a whole movie around that without getting boring and ely Roth can't figure out how to not
01:55:01.840 --> 01:55:03.461
[UNKNOWN]: Tony is a C++.
01:55:05.021 --> 01:55:08.963
[UNKNOWN]: It is not without it's drawbacks, but overall it really comes together.
01:55:08.983 --> 01:55:10.263
[UNKNOWN]: It's got a really good cast.
01:55:11.103 --> 01:55:16.005
[UNKNOWN]: And it's approach to Anthony Perdane as a work in progress.
01:55:16.685 --> 01:55:24.608
[UNKNOWN]: Who has a lot of work to do is very refreshing in a biopic environment where too often we just.
01:55:25.669 --> 01:55:29.311
[UNKNOWN]: We just settle for HGography, and this is absolutely not that.
01:55:29.431 --> 01:55:33.074
[UNKNOWN]: And I respect that, even if parts of it are in other ways, kind of formulaic.
01:55:33.974 --> 01:55:35.535
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
01:55:35.896 --> 01:55:39.058
[UNKNOWN]: And then on your angle, I want your sex.
01:55:40.198 --> 01:55:41.239
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to give us C++.
01:55:41.319 --> 01:55:43.680
[UNKNOWN]: I like sort of how Zesty and colorful it is.
01:55:44.061 --> 01:55:45.522
[UNKNOWN]: I like its attitudes about sex.
01:55:45.562 --> 01:55:46.682
[UNKNOWN]: It's very sex-positive.
01:55:46.702 --> 01:55:47.943
[UNKNOWN]: It's very kink-positive.
01:55:48.644 --> 01:55:53.267
[UNKNOWN]: But at the same time, it's also a pretty fun, nasty little, wicked detective story.
01:55:53.307 --> 01:55:54.147
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I recommend it.
01:55:54.447 --> 01:55:54.788
[UNKNOWN]: It's a C++.
01:55:56.033 --> 01:56:11.803
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, one night only one night only this is this one just a fended me this is like a terrible Terrible movie um, did I mention that it's a terrible Terrible movie.
01:56:11.883 --> 01:56:12.443
[UNKNOWN]: See minus.
01:56:12.683 --> 01:56:12.923
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:56:13.684 --> 01:56:20.948
[UNKNOWN]: This is a pro-fascist movie And I mean this in the negative way fuck this movie.
01:56:21.088 --> 01:56:23.810
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, this is not one not one you need to go.
01:56:23.870 --> 01:56:24.070
[UNKNOWN]: Okay
01:56:25.103 --> 01:56:32.245
[UNKNOWN]: the passionate response from Winnie, the finally teenage sex and death at Camp Niasma.
01:56:32.405 --> 01:56:33.566
[UNKNOWN]: I dug this movie a lot.
01:56:33.726 --> 01:56:35.406
[UNKNOWN]: I love it just so, so much.
01:56:36.667 --> 01:56:46.770
[UNKNOWN]: I think it has a lot of, it explores a lot of good ideas, just sort of about slasher movies and what I think is a really fascinating way.
01:56:47.570 --> 01:56:53.132
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's a good essay, but it's also a really good entertaining movie that's
01:56:55.232 --> 01:56:56.213
[UNKNOWN]: It's got everything.
01:56:56.413 --> 01:56:57.134
[UNKNOWN]: It's the whole animal.
01:56:57.734 --> 01:56:59.916
[UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, see-plus.
01:56:59.976 --> 01:57:02.097
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think I actually liked it even more than you.
01:57:02.618 --> 01:57:03.959
[UNKNOWN]: It's a huge C-plus for me.
01:57:04.339 --> 01:57:07.241
[UNKNOWN]: As I said, I think James Schoenbrand has by number.
01:57:07.281 --> 01:57:17.168
[UNKNOWN]: There aren't a lot of movies where I see myself in the narrative at all and even though in many respects, the characters have identities that don't have a lot of overlap with mine and many respects they do.
01:57:18.149 --> 01:57:19.509
[UNKNOWN]: And so this hit me very personally,
01:57:20.692 --> 01:57:21.632
[UNKNOWN]: It's a great love story.
01:57:21.652 --> 01:57:25.773
[UNKNOWN]: It is a great sort of sexual coming of age story.
01:57:26.293 --> 01:57:40.677
[UNKNOWN]: It is a great film about every way we look at the horror genre, specifically the slasher genre, and very specifically problematic horror movies, which mean a lot to us even when they let us down.
01:57:42.838 --> 01:57:55.060
[UNKNOWN]: It's a great love story too, it's just weirdly everything, and as with a lot of, well, as with Jane Choneburn's other movies, the more I think about it, the more I love it.
01:57:55.500 --> 01:57:58.981
[UNKNOWN]: So huge, huge C+, it's great.
01:58:00.021 --> 01:58:09.903
[UNKNOWN]: And that is it for critically acclaimed, I'll be back next week with reviews of the end of Oak Street, the Kristen Stewart-Elius shock hat stoner movie The Wrong Girls.
01:58:10.895 --> 01:58:40.489
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01:58:41.236 --> 01:58:45.159
[UNKNOWN]: If you want to help to show out, that would mean a lot to us, it's the only way we can keep it going.
01:58:45.259 --> 01:58:57.106
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01:58:57.506 --> 01:59:08.813
[UNKNOWN]: Whitney wrote a fantastic adendum to our most recent episode about Spider-Man brand new day, where he clarified some of his points and how personal
01:59:09.998 --> 01:59:27.458
[UNKNOWN]: uh... his reaction to the film was uh... in terms of what it means about being a workaholic what it means about uh... personal growth uh... what it means about you know the characters redemption um... i thought it was really illuminating and i'm really really glad uh... you were able to get that out
01:59:28.820 --> 01:59:31.421
[UNKNOWN]: That was one of those reviews that I kind of needed to write.
01:59:32.481 --> 01:59:35.042
[UNKNOWN]: There's stuff in here that I need just get off my chest.
01:59:35.102 --> 01:59:37.283
[UNKNOWN]: And that writing that essay was very helpful.
01:59:37.383 --> 01:59:39.163
[UNKNOWN]: So go ahead and read that.
01:59:39.463 --> 01:59:41.444
[UNKNOWN]: It's very first.
01:59:41.464 --> 01:59:46.665
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's very, very, very, it's very personal to me.
01:59:46.685 --> 01:59:52.467
[UNKNOWN]: And I think I said everything I needed to kind of in a way that you might be able to understand.
01:59:53.327 --> 01:59:54.907
[UNKNOWN]: And this heart comes back to our conversation
01:59:58.032 --> 02:00:06.517
[UNKNOWN]: You know, you found problems with the film and yet for better or worse, it really did hit you in a personal way.
02:00:06.537 --> 02:00:11.040
[UNKNOWN]: You weren't expecting that a lot of superhero movies did things bounce off of you.
02:00:11.200 --> 02:00:11.480
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:00:11.720 --> 02:00:14.182
[UNKNOWN]: And this one, you had a reaction to it.
02:00:14.222 --> 02:00:17.784
[UNKNOWN]: That was very unexpected in person.
02:00:17.804 --> 02:00:19.065
[UNKNOWN]: I was glad you were able to write about that.
02:00:19.105 --> 02:00:19.645
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's really...
02:00:20.595 --> 02:00:28.643
[UNKNOWN]: I think, and I need to work on this more, I think film critics need to be more willing to confront our personal reactions to things.
02:00:29.183 --> 02:00:29.844
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, Tom.
02:00:30.044 --> 02:00:33.287
[UNKNOWN]: In a way, but not in like, oh, I love this movie.
02:00:33.307 --> 02:00:38.112
[UNKNOWN]: I'm so fonding, or oh, I hate it, like, no, just on a personal, like in your soul, what does this mean?
02:00:38.812 --> 02:00:40.113
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:00:40.133 --> 02:00:51.383
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sort of a almost confessional quality and I want to try to work on that at my writing so thank you to you and also thank you to Jane Shunder and for making me realize that I still assume room to grow.
02:00:52.695 --> 02:00:57.156
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, and if you want to talk to me, I think we discussed in this episode, do you want to ask us any other questions?
02:00:57.196 --> 02:01:00.677
[UNKNOWN]: Our email address is letters at critically claimed.net.
02:01:01.337 --> 02:01:06.598
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to try to record an episode of we've got mail next week, so get your letters in, get your emails in.
02:01:07.318 --> 02:01:09.178
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02:01:09.198 --> 02:01:10.298
[UNKNOWN]: Whitney, what is our PO box?
02:01:10.378 --> 02:01:11.918
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, and this is a physical letter.
02:01:11.998 --> 02:01:16.439
[UNKNOWN]: Since a physical letter postcard, whatever you like to the critically claimed network PO box 641565,
02:01:22.137 --> 02:01:25.139
[UNKNOWN]: Please do and Yeah, I guess that's about it.
02:01:25.479 --> 02:01:37.708
[UNKNOWN]: So thank you everybody once again and never forget everyone Here's a critic I want to go to the minashow I'm sorry I wet
