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welcome back audience, and welcome back Josh.
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Hey, how's it going, Jesse?
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Yeah, i'm doing good.
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How are you doing?
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it's a nice Wednesday night and I almost through the week, you
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Yeah.
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I hear that.
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Well, this is, this is gonna be another water cooler talk.
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Ooh
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I was talking to my wife about this, and I was like, you know,
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the specific water
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like, like our podcast and how, like, I feel like we probably need to change our website because we, like, almost never talk about tech.
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We do, we do tech adjacent, but
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The subtext is thick, you know?
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And she does say, like, we are taking, the office to the home.
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Like, we are, w- it's like we're, she's like,"Yeah, I, I love it.
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It's like the two nerdy engineers, you know, are, are talking while I'm trying to work.
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And, yeah, you know, I, I love listening to you.
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That's sh- that's just, like, your niche, and that's what you guys should do." So
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So we should maybe think about a different title of the podcast.
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Oh, no, no.
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No, we talked about this before.
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office home,
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No.
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Containerized conversations, it forces us to containerize our rambling.
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I also just like the alliteration, you know?
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So
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So, for this water cooler talk, I was actually gonna talk about, wireless, provider upgrades for cell phones
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okay.
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So not, not for home internet.
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No, for your s-, like a cell phone, like a T-Mobile upgrade.
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Yeah
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and the reason why this is, this is very, poetic.
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So Samsung just dropped their pre-orders tonight.
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Mm-hmm
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you can pre-order the Samsung Galaxy Fold, or the Flip.
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And if you don't, if you're not hip with the new terminology, the Fold is like the...
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So a Fold is like a, like a book.
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And, and then a Flip is like the old style, you know,
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phones,
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yeah, flip phones.
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a touch screen
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honestly, I, I don't really understand.
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Like, I personally don't understand the, the Flips besides nostalgia, because the screen on the front, like it's literally the phone itself when it's closed is like a really small square, and the screen on the front is unusable.
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Uh-huh
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Like, I actually want a Fold because the Fold, like when it's folded just is the size of a normal phone.
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Yeah.
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But then, you unfold it.
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fold is like, oh, you take a regular phone size and then imagine you can fold it
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yeah.
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like a
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Yeah
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is like you can scrunch it down into a square
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It's like, like if it's unflipped, it's the normal size of a phone, but when it's flipped or closed, you know, clam shelled,
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Right
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it's like the size of a s- a square.
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And the screen on the front has a huge bezel, so it's like even smaller.
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It's a touch screen, but it's just like, it's like a, it's almost the size of like a, a, a ridiculously big wristwatch, you know?
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But some people like to be able to, you know They like
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Yeah
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form, right?
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I guess
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the appeal, I mean, you could throw it in your pocket, right?
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But it's so fat when it's...
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Like, the Folds, they're pretty sk- they're the same width of a f- a normal phone, but the Flips, they're like the double the width of a normal phone.
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So it's like, sure, it's not as long, but it's still, it's like doubly fat
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see based on sales
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Yeah.
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people like
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So, so the, so it's, so I, I have an upgrade available, right?
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So I, you know...
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A- and again, I don't know if this is, like, the, like, financially right thing to do, but I'm, like, locked into a 24-month plan on T-Mobile, and I got the phone I currently have for free from them.
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Free with air quotes,'cause what it really is, is they just took the price of the phone, they split it out over 24 months, and I get a 24-month credit on my bill, i.e., if I cancel with them, I have to pay off the remainder of the phone essentially, right?
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And so yeah, like, there's obviously, like, a, a thing that they're banking on.
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But what's crazy is because this is a promo time with this phone launch, the Fold, I haven't gotten one yet because they start at$1,800 for a phone, and so that's ridiculous.
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I can get it for free though if I upgrade
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For free, right?
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Yeah, for free, air quotes.
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We're
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it's a$74 credit on my bill each month, basically
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on.
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Does your, does that mean your bill is increased by$74 each month?
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Yes, and then they credit you that$74, so it's zero.
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So if you look at your bill, your bill is plus the$74 worth of the phone, but then in the same bill, they credit back to you$74, so you're not actually paying anything.
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But it's like their way around the laws so that, like, they are technically saying you don't own that phone yet, so that if you cancel with them, they can, like, recoup the rest of the money essentially, right?
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But I get it, I get it.
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That
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Yeah
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But so, so from your perspective, like let's say your bill was, I'm just using fake numbers here.
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Let's say your bill was like 50 bucks a month,
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Yeah,
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it's still 50 bucks a month
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Yeah.
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You just
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Yeah.
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this
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bill, the bill says you owe, you know,$124, but they credit you$74, so it's$50 a month.
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Okay.
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That's interesting.
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I, you know, I honestly, like, I haven't really, done these fa- like, these, these phone plans.
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Yeah
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I often have, like, phones that are, you know, years old,
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Yeah
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because honestly they still work.
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it's just occasionally I'll have something like my past iPhone
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Yeah.
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an upgrade
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Yeah, yeah
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like,"Oh, if you wanna delete all the apps and everything on your phone, all the data, so that you can download our next update." I was like,"Okay.
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Well, I need to update my phone now, for security reasons, I also wanna be able to use this phone instead of
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Yeah
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So I, I did end up getting, like, the latest model a year or two.
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I'm, I don't know if it's totally conspiracy theorists, like, planned obsolescence and all that, that they're
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I just think the tech industry moves so fast, and you just have to be so competitive.
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And like I've worked for a company who's owned a mobile app before.
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Do you know how ridiculously hard it is to try to make it accommodating for all like phone versions?
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It's like you, you physically just can't keep up with testing on every single version.
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And like you can say,"Well, it's not supported, but you can try to install it." Because if you say that, then people call into your support channel being like,"Oh, my Nokia that doesn't, isn't able to install this app." And it's like,"Well, yeah,'cause Nokias were are outdated by almost 10 years, sir."
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Tangent though, right?
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Like the video games industry, especially with PC games, had to deal with this forever, right?
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Yeah
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everybody has different computers, and it was really until they, like all unified on a single language with talking to
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Yeah.
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graphics cards.
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Yeah
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because before then would have different graphics card and it's like,"Oh, well, sorry, you don't have Nvidia, so you actually can't play this game at all because we don't know how to talk to your
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah
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it's just amazing that nowadays it feels like, oh, you- if you buy a computer,
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Yeah.
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play any game on it.
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Yeah.
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a time where
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It's not the same because with a computer you can, change out the parts.
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I can't release an app and say minimum spec is two gigs of memory.
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you can't go into the memory store for your phone and upgrade it.
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that's not an option, right?
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And so it's like, when you're doing mobile app development it's just so much harder than, PC game development, you know?
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I, when I say PC game development, I'm saying like PC game development like 30 years ago.
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Okay.
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it like was just a different world.
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'Cause I think nowadays PC game development, it is so much more standardized.
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Yeah.
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all the tools are like,"Oh, you wanna make a game and port it to every single device you can think of?
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Yeah.
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Be our guest."
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Yeah
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yeah, app development and dealing with everybody's apps
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I mean, and that's the thing is like I do feel like phones went a completely different direction than PCs, right?
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Like They all became locked down and like vendor specific and like you, you can't really change parts from, a Samsung to an iPhone, you know, or...
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that's the same thing as Mac, right?
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A Samsung and Google or Sam's like, like in the Android world, just you, you can't swap.
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Yeah, sure.
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Like Apple will be Apple.
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I get it, but
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But I
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they're
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Anyways, I feel like we're going off track a little bit
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Anyways, I, yeah, I don't know if I should do it.
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I don't know if I should lock in'cause I'm almost, I'm 12 months into my 24 lock-in, so I'm, I'll be l- unlocked from T-Mobile if I just stay on my phone.
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But like, it's, basic- the way I'm looking at it is it's like a free$1,800 just to like guarantee, me to guarantee to them that I'm on, I stay on them for another two years.
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Like, I'm probably not gonna change to T-Mobile to something else, so like
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the only things that would be a big impetus to change
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Yeah
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is if you say move to some place where the
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Yeah, T-Mobile.
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yeah.
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Like if you said,"Hey, I'm gonna move," and then you move to,
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Nebraska.
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Yeah, yeah
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if that's true anymore, but there are certainly places where,
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I feel like Verizon, AT&T, and T-Mobile have if not 100%, pretty close to 100% coverage of the United States,
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They do
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you know?
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I think when you get into rural areas, you start getting...
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Yeah.
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if you're talking about Boston,
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Yeah,
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York,
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Yeah
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these big cities, any one of the providers is gonna be fine.
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Yeah.
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When
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Yeah
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like, rural Maine, if you had, like, a summer home, right?
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Or, or Nebraska,
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Yeah,
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If you have some place out in the middle of nowhere, you might only get one or two providers.
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Yeah
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thing that's kind of related is your home internet provider, right?
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Yeah.
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You might find that,
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That's true
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like I do have T-Mobile for my phone and I have Verizon for my internet,
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Yeah
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in case anybody wants to answer all my security questions.
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Yeah.
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no, no, you can find it.
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It's public records.
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in any case, yeah, that's, that's one of the potential savings is that you have, like, Verizon at home.
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You might wanna switch to Verizon for your phone so you can bundle the, the internet and the...
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Yeah.
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and that's true.
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I mean, I'll have to read the contract'cause, like, you know, if the worst-case scenario is if I go off of T-Mobile, I either need to pay it off or send it back.
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Like, sending back isn't the worst option.
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I do have backup m- phones for just in case'cause I've had way too many situations where I've, like, dropped it in water, and so you always need a backup phone, you know?
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Do you always need a backup phone?
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I, I don't know.
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That's a, that's a statement with an asterisk
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at least for me, the, like all your security keys are on your phone,
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Yes
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So you like, a- at least in our line of work, you kinda need a phone.
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Like not having a phone means you're basically locked out of all your accounts.
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Yeah.
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But like getting a phone is not also a huge pain from my perspective, but maybe I'm wrong.
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I mean, depends.
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and
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yeah, if you wanna buy it, like, but like phones nowadays, they fleece you.
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They're like two grand.
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I'm not gonna drop, I'm not gonna drop two grand on a new phone, not if, not when I can like go sign up for AT&T and get this free phone.
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You just have to wait two weeks.
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Like, I'd rather just wait two weeks, right?
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You can't wait two weeks in your job, right?
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that's why I have a backup phone, see?
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we're coming full circle here.
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Full circle.
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But, but am in the camp of like, I think it's probably worth it from your situation to get this flip phone thing.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I don't need it, right?
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I, w- just like you said, like, my phone's fine, your phone's fine.
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But there's just something, I just, I need the new tech, man.
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I n- I need it.
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I need to I wanna play with the Fold
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I think I would be sold, you know, like PlayStation 2s when they first came out sold people because they came with a DVD player.
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I'm not
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want, you want the Fold to come with a DVD player, and if it does, you'll get it?
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Wait a minute.
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sorry, Blu-ray.
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We're on Blu-rays now, huh?
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no, no, no.
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My point, my point is like was like a big thing in, what, 1999?
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Yeah
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I feel like nowadays there's not like the equivalent.
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Like a new phone comes out and it's not that much better, right?
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Maybe, maybe there's some feature you really like.
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I think that used to be true.
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I think if you, over the past year or even six months with the boom of AI, the, like, newer phones now can run mo- AI models locally.
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And so, like, the iPhone, the iPhone does have a pretty impressive AI capabilities, but you need to get the newest iPhone.
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And it's probably gonna be the same thing with the Ga- Samsung Galaxy.
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I, I haven't actually looked at it.
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But, like, the Nothing Phone.
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You know, I, I really love that, that cell phone brand, and they have some really cool AI apps on, on th- that brand.
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The problem is, is they're a, like, UK-based company, and I tried to use them, but they don't fully support the cellular towers in the United States, the-- not all the frequencies.
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So, like, you definitely have a lot of bugs with their cell phones.
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#notallfrequencies.
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Yeah
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like what I want though is not...
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I mean, I, I get that there's a lot of cool AI stuff out there.
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嗯。
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You know, really my AI ex- AI experience is mostly Claude and things that integrate Claude,
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Hmm.
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and I'm fine with that.
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Do.
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all the notes I want to hit.
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Oh, yeah.
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what,
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yeah
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I'm saying is if they came out with a phone that was measurably different, like imagine a phone that was also a drone, Where you, you could like literally like toss this thing in the air and it just flew up like 30 feet and took a
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I mean, yes, I would get that phone.
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Right.
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this is, but this is a Fold, so it is different.
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It is measurably different,
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I
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There has been times a lot, there's actually a lot of times where, like, I'm on the train and I wanna watch something, and the screen I have is not big enough.
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I want it to be a little bigger.
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So with the Fold, I mean, it...
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Or if you read books on your phone, maybe destroy your eyes, but I could, I could see it, like, or if you're multitasking.
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Maybe it's not measurably different, but
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No, I
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measurably different.
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bought the Switch too.
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Oh my God, you bought the Switch 2?
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Of course
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you, you...
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Sheep.
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Wake up,
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I,
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Nintendo's just draining money from you.
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I am totally fine with it.
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it's like someone I know that keeps buying The Sims, and all of The Sims are the same.
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I'm
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Every single...
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No, I mean like the, the
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to call him out.
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I cannot go back to the Switch 1 from the Switch 2, right?
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What's different?
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First of all, the screen is bigger.
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Oh my, okay.
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so silly
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I was just using that argument on you, so I can't, I can't even, like, push back
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Exactly.
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Like y- you've, the f- the s- the original Switch's screen feels so limiting coming to the Switch 2.
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But how much bigger?
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Are we talking like TV screen bigger?
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'Cause if it still fits, it either doesn't fit in your hand or it's not that measurably bigger.
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Right.
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I feel like they're walking the line there, right?
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Wait, now I need to see how big this is now.
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I'm gonna have to look it up after
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I would say it's similar to like going from like a 48-inch screen TV to like a 52-inch screen
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Now I'm just picturing like a 12-inch like LCD monitor with like controllers on the side.
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Like,"It's portable."
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Right.
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al-also, like, it does have better RAM and other things.
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Like, there are games that run slowly.
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There was a game actually that I stopped playing on the Switch because it just wasn't a good port because
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Yeah
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And I, I got the Switch 2 and I was like,"Oh, wait, I can run this game now." which is n- which is a rarity because honestly, things are optimized pretty well nowadays.
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Hmm.
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Interesting.
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so then you understand that the Fold is a miserable upgrade because
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I
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is a, it's a lot bigger screen.
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You should do it.
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Yeah.
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to...
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Did I, did, yeah, did I convince you to do it yourself?
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not.
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that's what I, that's all, all I care about.
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that is, that's a little bit too much.
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But I think you should do it.
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I'm gonna do it.
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to get locked in,
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Yeah, I'm gonna do it.
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If your wife complains that I forced you down this path, her to listen to the episode and she'll understand
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Yeah, I'll convince her to.
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I don't even need to talk to her.
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I'll just say,"Babe, listen to the podcast." Then, then we can talk.
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She'll have that at Fortney too.
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It's gonna be great
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Oh, all right.
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Well, we're at 20 minutes, so I think, I'll end that episode there.
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It was a pretty good episode.
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It's a rambling, but, you know
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You know what they say about rambling is that, you can't do too much of it.
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good night, Jess
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All right.
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Good night, Josh.
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welcome back audience, and welcome back Josh.
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Hey, how's it going, Jesse?
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Yeah, i'm doing good.
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How are you doing?
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it's a nice Wednesday night and I almost through the week, you
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Yeah.
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I hear that.
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Well, this is, this is gonna be another water cooler talk.
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Ooh
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I was talking to my wife about this, and I was like, you know,
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the specific water
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like, like our podcast and how, like, I feel like we probably need to change our website because we, like, almost never talk about tech.
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We do, we do tech adjacent, but
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The subtext is thick, you know?
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And she does say, like, we are taking, the office to the home.
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Like, we are, w- it's like we're, she's like,"Yeah, I, I love it.
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It's like the two nerdy engineers, you know, are, are talking while I'm trying to work.
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And, yeah, you know, I, I love listening to you.
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That's sh- that's just, like, your niche, and that's what you guys should do." So
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So we should maybe think about a different title of the podcast.
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Oh, no, no.
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No, we talked about this before.
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office home,
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No.
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Containerized conversations, it forces us to containerize our rambling.
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I also just like the alliteration, you know?
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So
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So, for this water cooler talk, I was actually gonna talk about, wireless, provider upgrades for cell phones
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okay.
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So not, not for home internet.
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No, for your s-, like a cell phone, like a T-Mobile upgrade.
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Yeah
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and the reason why this is, this is very, poetic.
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So Samsung just dropped their pre-orders tonight.
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Mm-hmm
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you can pre-order the Samsung Galaxy Fold, or the Flip.
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And if you don't, if you're not hip with the new terminology, the Fold is like the...
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So a Fold is like a, like a book.
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And, and then a Flip is like the old style, you know,
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phones,
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yeah, flip phones.
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a touch screen
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honestly, I, I don't really understand.
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Like, I personally don't understand the, the Flips besides nostalgia, because the screen on the front, like it's literally the phone itself when it's closed is like a really small square, and the screen on the front is unusable.
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Uh-huh
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Like, I actually want a Fold because the Fold, like when it's folded just is the size of a normal phone.
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Yeah.
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But then, you unfold it.
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fold is like, oh, you take a regular phone size and then imagine you can fold it
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yeah.
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like a
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Yeah
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is like you can scrunch it down into a square
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It's like, like if it's unflipped, it's the normal size of a phone, but when it's flipped or closed, you know, clam shelled,
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Right
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it's like the size of a s- a square.
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And the screen on the front has a huge bezel, so it's like even smaller.
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It's a touch screen, but it's just like, it's like a, it's almost the size of like a, a, a ridiculously big wristwatch, you know?
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But some people like to be able to, you know They like
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Yeah
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form, right?
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I guess
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the appeal, I mean, you could throw it in your pocket, right?
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But it's so fat when it's...
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Like, the Folds, they're pretty sk- they're the same width of a f- a normal phone, but the Flips, they're like the double the width of a normal phone.
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So it's like, sure, it's not as long, but it's still, it's like doubly fat
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see based on sales
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Yeah.
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people like
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So, so the, so it's, so I, I have an upgrade available, right?
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So I, you know...
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A- and again, I don't know if this is, like, the, like, financially right thing to do, but I'm, like, locked into a 24-month plan on T-Mobile, and I got the phone I currently have for free from them.
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Free with air quotes,'cause what it really is, is they just took the price of the phone, they split it out over 24 months, and I get a 24-month credit on my bill, i.e., if I cancel with them, I have to pay off the remainder of the phone essentially, right?
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And so yeah, like, there's obviously, like, a, a thing that they're banking on.
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But what's crazy is because this is a promo time with this phone launch, the Fold, I haven't gotten one yet because they start at$1,800 for a phone, and so that's ridiculous.
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I can get it for free though if I upgrade
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For free, right?
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Yeah, for free, air quotes.
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We're
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it's a$74 credit on my bill each month, basically
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on.
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Does your, does that mean your bill is increased by$74 each month?
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Yes, and then they credit you that$74, so it's zero.
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So if you look at your bill, your bill is plus the$74 worth of the phone, but then in the same bill, they credit back to you$74, so you're not actually paying anything.
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But it's like their way around the laws so that, like, they are technically saying you don't own that phone yet, so that if you cancel with them, they can, like, recoup the rest of the money essentially, right?
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But I get it, I get it.
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That
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Yeah
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But so, so from your perspective, like let's say your bill was, I'm just using fake numbers here.
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Let's say your bill was like 50 bucks a month,
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Yeah,
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it's still 50 bucks a month
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Yeah.
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You just
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Yeah.
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this
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bill, the bill says you owe, you know,$124, but they credit you$74, so it's$50 a month.
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Okay.
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That's interesting.
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I, you know, I honestly, like, I haven't really, done these fa- like, these, these phone plans.
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Yeah
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I often have, like, phones that are, you know, years old,
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Yeah
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because honestly they still work.
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it's just occasionally I'll have something like my past iPhone
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Yeah.
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an upgrade
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Yeah, yeah
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like,"Oh, if you wanna delete all the apps and everything on your phone, all the data, so that you can download our next update." I was like,"Okay.
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Well, I need to update my phone now, for security reasons, I also wanna be able to use this phone instead of
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Yeah
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So I, I did end up getting, like, the latest model a year or two.
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I'm, I don't know if it's totally conspiracy theorists, like, planned obsolescence and all that, that they're
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I just think the tech industry moves so fast, and you just have to be so competitive.
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And like I've worked for a company who's owned a mobile app before.
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Do you know how ridiculously hard it is to try to make it accommodating for all like phone versions?
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It's like you, you physically just can't keep up with testing on every single version.
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And like you can say,"Well, it's not supported, but you can try to install it." Because if you say that, then people call into your support channel being like,"Oh, my Nokia that doesn't, isn't able to install this app." And it's like,"Well, yeah,'cause Nokias were are outdated by almost 10 years, sir."
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Tangent though, right?
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Like the video games industry, especially with PC games, had to deal with this forever, right?
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Yeah
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everybody has different computers, and it was really until they, like all unified on a single language with talking to
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Yeah.
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graphics cards.
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Yeah
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because before then would have different graphics card and it's like,"Oh, well, sorry, you don't have Nvidia, so you actually can't play this game at all because we don't know how to talk to your
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah
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it's just amazing that nowadays it feels like, oh, you- if you buy a computer,
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Yeah.
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play any game on it.
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Yeah.
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a time where
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It's not the same because with a computer you can, change out the parts.
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I can't release an app and say minimum spec is two gigs of memory.
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you can't go into the memory store for your phone and upgrade it.
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that's not an option, right?
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And so it's like, when you're doing mobile app development it's just so much harder than, PC game development, you know?
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I, when I say PC game development, I'm saying like PC game development like 30 years ago.
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Okay.
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it like was just a different world.
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'Cause I think nowadays PC game development, it is so much more standardized.
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Yeah.
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all the tools are like,"Oh, you wanna make a game and port it to every single device you can think of?
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Yeah.
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Be our guest."
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Yeah
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yeah, app development and dealing with everybody's apps
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I mean, and that's the thing is like I do feel like phones went a completely different direction than PCs, right?
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Like They all became locked down and like vendor specific and like you, you can't really change parts from, a Samsung to an iPhone, you know, or...
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that's the same thing as Mac, right?
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A Samsung and Google or Sam's like, like in the Android world, just you, you can't swap.
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Yeah, sure.
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Like Apple will be Apple.
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I get it, but
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But I
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they're
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Anyways, I feel like we're going off track a little bit
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Anyways, I, yeah, I don't know if I should do it.
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I don't know if I should lock in'cause I'm almost, I'm 12 months into my 24 lock-in, so I'm, I'll be l- unlocked from T-Mobile if I just stay on my phone.
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But like, it's, basic- the way I'm looking at it is it's like a free$1,800 just to like guarantee, me to guarantee to them that I'm on, I stay on them for another two years.
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Like, I'm probably not gonna change to T-Mobile to something else, so like
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the only things that would be a big impetus to change
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Yeah
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is if you say move to some place where the
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Yeah, T-Mobile.
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yeah.
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Like if you said,"Hey, I'm gonna move," and then you move to,
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Nebraska.
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Yeah, yeah
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if that's true anymore, but there are certainly places where,
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I feel like Verizon, AT&T, and T-Mobile have if not 100%, pretty close to 100% coverage of the United States,
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They do
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you know?
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I think when you get into rural areas, you start getting...
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Yeah.
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if you're talking about Boston,
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Yeah,
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York,
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Yeah
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these big cities, any one of the providers is gonna be fine.
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Yeah.
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When
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Yeah
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like, rural Maine, if you had, like, a summer home, right?
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Or, or Nebraska,
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Yeah,
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If you have some place out in the middle of nowhere, you might only get one or two providers.
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Yeah
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thing that's kind of related is your home internet provider, right?
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Yeah.
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You might find that,
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That's true
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like I do have T-Mobile for my phone and I have Verizon for my internet,
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Yeah
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in case anybody wants to answer all my security questions.
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Yeah.
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no, no, you can find it.
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It's public records.
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in any case, yeah, that's, that's one of the potential savings is that you have, like, Verizon at home.
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You might wanna switch to Verizon for your phone so you can bundle the, the internet and the...
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Yeah.
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and that's true.
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I mean, I'll have to read the contract'cause, like, you know, if the worst-case scenario is if I go off of T-Mobile, I either need to pay it off or send it back.
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Like, sending back isn't the worst option.
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I do have backup m- phones for just in case'cause I've had way too many situations where I've, like, dropped it in water, and so you always need a backup phone, you know?
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Do you always need a backup phone?
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I, I don't know.
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That's a, that's a statement with an asterisk
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at least for me, the, like all your security keys are on your phone,
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Yes
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So you like, a- at least in our line of work, you kinda need a phone.
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Like not having a phone means you're basically locked out of all your accounts.
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Yeah.
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But like getting a phone is not also a huge pain from my perspective, but maybe I'm wrong.
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I mean, depends.
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and
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yeah, if you wanna buy it, like, but like phones nowadays, they fleece you.
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They're like two grand.
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I'm not gonna drop, I'm not gonna drop two grand on a new phone, not if, not when I can like go sign up for AT&T and get this free phone.
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You just have to wait two weeks.
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Like, I'd rather just wait two weeks, right?
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You can't wait two weeks in your job, right?
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that's why I have a backup phone, see?
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we're coming full circle here.
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Full circle.
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But, but am in the camp of like, I think it's probably worth it from your situation to get this flip phone thing.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I don't need it, right?
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I, w- just like you said, like, my phone's fine, your phone's fine.
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But there's just something, I just, I need the new tech, man.
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I n- I need it.
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I need to I wanna play with the Fold
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I think I would be sold, you know, like PlayStation 2s when they first came out sold people because they came with a DVD player.
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I'm not
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want, you want the Fold to come with a DVD player, and if it does, you'll get it?
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Wait a minute.
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sorry, Blu-ray.
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We're on Blu-rays now, huh?
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no, no, no.
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My point, my point is like was like a big thing in, what, 1999?
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Yeah
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I feel like nowadays there's not like the equivalent.
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Like a new phone comes out and it's not that much better, right?
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Maybe, maybe there's some feature you really like.
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I think that used to be true.
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I think if you, over the past year or even six months with the boom of AI, the, like, newer phones now can run mo- AI models locally.
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And so, like, the iPhone, the iPhone does have a pretty impressive AI capabilities, but you need to get the newest iPhone.
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And it's probably gonna be the same thing with the Ga- Samsung Galaxy.
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I, I haven't actually looked at it.
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But, like, the Nothing Phone.
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You know, I, I really love that, that cell phone brand, and they have some really cool AI apps on, on th- that brand.
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The problem is, is they're a, like, UK-based company, and I tried to use them, but they don't fully support the cellular towers in the United States, the-- not all the frequencies.
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So, like, you definitely have a lot of bugs with their cell phones.
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#notallfrequencies.
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Yeah
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like what I want though is not...
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I mean, I, I get that there's a lot of cool AI stuff out there.
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嗯。
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You know, really my AI ex- AI experience is mostly Claude and things that integrate Claude,
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Hmm.
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and I'm fine with that.
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Do.
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all the notes I want to hit.
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Oh, yeah.
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what,
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yeah
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I'm saying is if they came out with a phone that was measurably different, like imagine a phone that was also a drone, Where you, you could like literally like toss this thing in the air and it just flew up like 30 feet and took a
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I mean, yes, I would get that phone.
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Right.
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this is, but this is a Fold, so it is different.
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It is measurably different,
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I
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There has been times a lot, there's actually a lot of times where, like, I'm on the train and I wanna watch something, and the screen I have is not big enough.
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I want it to be a little bigger.
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So with the Fold, I mean, it...
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Or if you read books on your phone, maybe destroy your eyes, but I could, I could see it, like, or if you're multitasking.
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Maybe it's not measurably different, but
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No, I
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measurably different.
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bought the Switch too.
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Oh my God, you bought the Switch 2?
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Of course
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you, you...
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Sheep.
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Wake up,
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I,
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Nintendo's just draining money from you.
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I am totally fine with it.
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it's like someone I know that keeps buying The Sims, and all of The Sims are the same.
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I'm
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Every single...
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No, I mean like the, the
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to call him out.
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I cannot go back to the Switch 1 from the Switch 2, right?
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What's different?
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First of all, the screen is bigger.
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Oh my, okay.
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so silly
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I was just using that argument on you, so I can't, I can't even, like, push back
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Exactly.
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Like y- you've, the f- the s- the original Switch's screen feels so limiting coming to the Switch 2.
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But how much bigger?
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Are we talking like TV screen bigger?
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'Cause if it still fits, it either doesn't fit in your hand or it's not that measurably bigger.
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Right.
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I feel like they're walking the line there, right?
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Wait, now I need to see how big this is now.
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I'm gonna have to look it up after
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I would say it's similar to like going from like a 48-inch screen TV to like a 52-inch screen
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Now I'm just picturing like a 12-inch like LCD monitor with like controllers on the side.
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Like,"It's portable."
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Right.
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al-also, like, it does have better RAM and other things.
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Like, there are games that run slowly.
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There was a game actually that I stopped playing on the Switch because it just wasn't a good port because
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Yeah
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And I, I got the Switch 2 and I was like,"Oh, wait, I can run this game now." which is n- which is a rarity because honestly, things are optimized pretty well nowadays.
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Hmm.
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Interesting.
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so then you understand that the Fold is a miserable upgrade because
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I
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is a, it's a lot bigger screen.
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You should do it.
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Yeah.
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to...
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Did I, did, yeah, did I convince you to do it yourself?
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not.
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that's what I, that's all, all I care about.
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that is, that's a little bit too much.
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But I think you should do it.
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I'm gonna do it.
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to get locked in,
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Yeah, I'm gonna do it.
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If your wife complains that I forced you down this path, her to listen to the episode and she'll understand
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Yeah, I'll convince her to.
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I don't even need to talk to her.
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I'll just say,"Babe, listen to the podcast." Then, then we can talk.
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She'll have that at Fortney too.
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It's gonna be great
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Oh, all right.
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Well, we're at 20 minutes, so I think, I'll end that episode there.
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It was a pretty good episode.
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It's a rambling, but, you know
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You know what they say about rambling is that, you can't do too much of it.
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good night, Jess
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All right.
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Good night, Josh.
