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Speaker 1: WTLC-AM, W236-CR, Indianapolis. Broadcasting from the Praise Indy Indigo Studios. Discussing the issues that matter to you. It's Community Connection with Tina Cosby on Praise AM 1310, 95.1 FM.
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Speaker 2: And good afternoon and welcome to Community Connection. I'm Tina Cosby. Today is Wednesday, October the 7th, 317-480-1310, 317-3177. 480-1310 is the number to the show today. And on the show today, what is estate planning and who should be doing it and when? That's a term a lot of people throw around. It makes you wonder, though, Eric, do folks really know what it is?
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Speaker 3: That's a good question. You hear a lot about it, but what does it mean? What does it do? What's it about?
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Speaker 2: Well, those are just a few of the questions we're going to have answered this afternoon in our second hour of the show when attorney Jennifer Norton joins us. Again, that's coming up in our second hour. Before that, plenty of open lines for whatever may be on your mind.
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Speaker 4: 317-480-1310.
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Speaker 5: 317-480-1310.
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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and bring in our contributing analyst, James Patterson. James, welcome back into the fold. How are you? And he's somewhere.
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Speaker 3: There he is.
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Speaker 5: Oh, I'm doing so good, Tina.
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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: What had happened?
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Speaker 3: What had happened was your producer hadn't pressed the button yet.
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Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
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Speaker 3: James was ready.
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Speaker 2: James was ready.
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Speaker 3: He was ready. Your producer was... And you're doing something else with the camera.
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Speaker 2: It's all good. It's all good.
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Speaker 5: Yeah. I wasn't ready, Freddie. I was ready, James.
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Speaker 3: Ready, James.
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Speaker 5: Ready, James. Indeed.
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Speaker 6: Indeed.
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Speaker 3: That's the truth.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So we're going to have the lines open for most of the show except for the last 30 minutes or so. And I think that's an important conversation we need to get in as well, especially with the quote-unquote graying of America with that huge baby boomers population, I think 73 million. either at or soon to be turning 62 years old. That's a whole lot of folks in that stage, in that chapter of their lives, and these things become more and more important. So there we have that. 317-480-1310, 317-480-1310. James, let's start with the weather. What do you think?
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Speaker 5: Well, I just think it's simply going to be gorgeous today.
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Speaker 7: Okay.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: As you can see, if you've been outside for any time today at all.
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Speaker 2: Any amount of time at all, okay.
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Speaker 5: Never mind, Tina. You got windows down there where you're at?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got windows.
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Speaker 3: Plenty of them. Plenty of windows.
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Speaker 2: We got windows, and I am loving, loving, loving, loving, loving it all. Yes, we got windows.
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Speaker 3: And, James, I actually, Tina, I had lunch outside today.
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Speaker 2: Oh, you did?
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Speaker 3: In the courtyard.
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Speaker 2: Oh, in the courtyard?
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Very nice.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 5: What an experience.
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Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 3: I got some vitamin D and had a really good lunch.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Was anybody back there cooking? We got an outdoor kitchen in our courtyard.
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Speaker 3: That's true. Not at the time. There were a couple people that came out later, engineering, setting up something. I think an event is going to be happening back there. Speakers, that kind of thing being set up, so.
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Speaker 5: It was good. Hey, yeah. I haven't been in that courtyard yet, Eric. Any trees or birds or anything?
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Speaker 3: There are trees back there. There's greenery, and it's very nice.
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Speaker 2: Nice green space.
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Speaker 3: Nice green space. Secure and everything. You'll have to check it out, James. You'll like it.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm looking forward to that because today is going to be another spectacular day.
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Speaker 6: Another one.
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Speaker 5: Absolutely. like third one in a row where we've got almost completely clear skies. We don't see any clouds yet. We don't expect to see any clouds. Sunshine and blue skies are the majority today.
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Speaker 2: Severe clear, as they call it. Severe clear.
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Speaker 5: Severe clear, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that neat to be able to look up and see the skies?
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Speaker 5: It is.
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Speaker 3: Just see the sky. Just beautiful blue. Not a thing there. Just beautiful.
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Speaker 5: You know, I mean, the temperatures we've got, you would expect them in really late August, early September, because we're, you know, heading towards the middle 80s. But besides the sunshine and blue skies, we will actually have warmer temperatures in Today, the normal is around 24 or so, but we should do much better than that. But because we've got this warmth, you guys, kind of rising up out of the south, you will feel some breezes sometime. You'll feel some wind gusts, so look out for that today. But otherwise, not much to say about the forecast. It was, except for beautiful sunshine, warm, clear skies. It was 73 degrees as we came on the air today. surpassing our high yesterday of 72 already, and it's just after 1 p.m. Eastern time. We might just reach that 80-degree mark today, so, you know, look out. We'll see. We'll get close, and if we do, we could go into the low 80s, 81, 82, 83, around there. All in all, just a beautiful October day for October 7, 2026. Yes, indeed.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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Speaker 5: Indeed.
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Speaker 2: Well, thank you for that, James. Thank you for that beautiful weather.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the things we always start out, we said we were going to do this every day, and I think we are. A reminder of elections, election deadlines, things of that nature. Yesterday was the first day for early voting in Indianapolis, in Marion County, in the state of Indiana. In the state of Indiana. And I voted yesterday.
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Speaker 3: Oh, you got a chance to do it.
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Speaker 4: Yep.
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Speaker 2: Got the receipts.
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Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 2: Got the receipts right there. I voted. Got in there.
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Speaker 3: Got the receipts.
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Speaker 2: And you know, I actually, it's two. I say receipts.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Oh, you do?
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Speaker 2: I see.
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Speaker 5: You didn't vote twice, though, did you, Tina?
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Speaker 2: Anyway, no, no, I didn't. Well, actually, I've got I've got about 10 of them. They told me to take as many as I wanted to spread around. No, no. Once was enough. I tell you. And I always ask around. And they said one of the longstanding workers down there, I've known her for a number of years. She calls the show sometimes. She calls anonymously, but then she says her name. It's like, okay. Anyway, she's funny. She's a good friend. But anyway, she was saying that when they first opened, there was a line down the sidewalk.
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Speaker 5: Oh, wow. Okay.
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Speaker 2: And I asked her how the norm was. She said that was somewhat unusual for the midterm. She said that's a little unusual. It has happened before, but it hasn't happened for a while.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there's heightened interest this year. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And they also were saying that, you know, they had to really, you know, each other for their breaks and things of that nature before, you know, just kind of casually or leisurely go and use the restroom or take your break or whatever they had to make sure because. They said there yesterday, the first day, a steady risk stream, you know, just really, really good flow, steady. And the numbers were great. I don't know what they were totally, but, you know, certainly very, very good. And they were not ever they didn't have any downtime. I put it that way.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: That's good to hear.
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Speaker 5: And I'm glad that you voted because I wanted to comment on that. I mean, I think. What is, yesterday was the sixth, right? First day of early voting. And Tina Cosby works downtown, as most people know. Eric Garnet, or it's too early to say that. Eric Garnet works downtown.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Eric Garnet works downtown.
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Speaker 5: So you guys have, proximity-wise, you have access, fairly close access to Marion County, a county of more than one million or right around one million people, it's only voting sites. That's not true in surrounding counties. as early voting starts in Indiana, because the legislature allows counties to do that on October 6th or first Tuesday in October. And we have the biggest population county-wise in the state, but we only have one place to vote until October 24th. October 24th, yeah.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: And so to me, That's voter suppression. That's my comment. Yeah, it's voter suppression.
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Speaker 2: It absolutely is, James. I mean, what else could it be? What else could it be? I'm thinking. Okay, you're thinking.
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Speaker 5: You're thinking. But I mean, you know, this is a huge county. I don't know how many square miles, a bunch.
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Speaker 3: Oh, a bunch, a bunch, right.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, if you live, you know, way out in the east or way north or way south or way west, You know, you might not even come downtown. So come on now. This is a county. We need to do better than that and open up these these voter opportunities.
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Speaker 2: Well, I tell you what, if you ever wondered if it was targeted or not, we also are a heavily Democratic county. And we also are a county that is now, and as of the last few years, a majority minority county, roughly 30 percent black. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO Latino, and the other box make up the remaining 20%, 21. I think it's, the last I checked, and Dion and I were looking at this, I think it's a total, 51 and some change percentage minority. So we are officially a majority minority county. So if you think that these measures are not targeted toward us, if you will, the numbers don't lie.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 5: Go ahead, Eric.
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Speaker 3: No, James, go ahead. I was just saying, yeah, the numbers speak louder.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, we have the numbers. I was just going to say that the last time I knew about how that works and how it was governed, it may have changed, and I need to look it up. But the Marion County Election Board was made up, when I knew Tina, when I was reporting especially, of two Democrats and two Republicans. And by design... Because it was then not in control of minorities. You couldn't make changes in voter sites without them. And unless they agreed, it couldn't be two against two. There's always two Republicans on there and two Democrats. And if it's two against two, the change doesn't go through. So they have an automatic veto, although it's, like you said, a majority-minority county vote. So the rules need to be changed since it is a minority county so that we open up not to anyone's advantage, minorities, majorities, or anybody else, but certainly not minorities, but not to their advantage, but... If they are in control, if they are the majority, then they ought to be able to change the rules so that there are more opportunities earlier to vote in a wider area. Yeah. You guys get what I'm saying?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. And I was just talking to my father who lives in southern Indiana. And then, you know, little old Jefferson County has more places than Marion County does these first few days. He said that there are three. the courthouse, and two other places. Now, one place he said is only open on Tuesdays and Thursdays right now. They'll open more. But at least they're open. I mean, there's at least three locations in that sparsely populated. Madison, Jefferson County might have 13,000, 15,000 people total.
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Speaker 3: And Tina, you might remember.
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Speaker 2: And they've got three places to early vote.
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Speaker 3: I saw a story, was it last week I mentioned on the air, there's 30,000 people. here in downtown Indianapolis alone.
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Speaker 2: No, I didn't hear that.
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Speaker 3: 30,000 people.
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Speaker 5: Oh, my goodness.
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Speaker 3: 30,000 in downtown, I think, that live in downtown.
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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, which is our one site at the city-county building. Downtown is good for them, mostly, you know, some of them. I mean, they've got schedules and stuff. Some of them may work nights or evenings and sleep all day or have to sleep all day and can't go there, but At least it's accessible, you know, if they get a day off or something. But for the rest of the, you know, 900 plus thousand residents of Marion County, it isn't. It's not. It's not a good setup. It's just not.
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Speaker 2: And, you know, I being, you know, having worked downtown for so many years, there's a strategy to even going to the city county building. And, you know, as I was saying yesterday, Eric, after work, I knew all the traffic was leaving town.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Downtown.
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Speaker 2: So parking was not an issue. I found a park as soon as I pulled up right there, right there in front of this.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: In front of the city county building. Now, I will say that I thought I was going to have to wait for a machine because the room, you know, when you go to the clerk's office down there, if you've been down there before, there's there's a room and there's probably several stations with the computers there. And the last couple of times I voted, you know, the the host or whoever, I don't know who it was. go ahead and pick whatever one you want. And I kind of had to stand and wait for somebody to walk away from one to get one, which means voting was, you know, risk. It was busy. There were people, I didn't have to wait long. I mean, it was literally a matter of seconds. It wasn't even a whole minute. But the fact that the stations were occupied, you know, was a good thing. You know, it was a good sign. And kind of like some of the stories that we've been hearing about the hornet's nest being stirred up, You try to take things away from folks. Folks are going to get upset and say, uh-uh, no. Oh, you're going to take it? Well, I'll go do it anyway just because you're trying to take it away from me. And I don't know how much of that is at play. But if folks think that they're not going to be allowed to vote or whatever, they'll find a way to get downtown. It shouldn't be that way. But what fuels it is don't try to tell me this is because you are only giving me one place to vote. that you can keep me from voting, I'll go there, I'll go. And that's kind of, again, I may be just over, I may be exaggerating and maybe not, but it didn't feel like there were people down there that were like, hey, this is inconvenient or whatever. They felt like folks were very intentional. I'm voting and I'm voting early and I'm voting right here. And so we had a caller yesterday I found out, though, she was talking about it was a candidate for office paying for parking spots for people. So I couldn't have taken the free parking anyway. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: OK.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that might be.
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Speaker 2: When she said the name. I'm like, oh, that sounds you know, I didn't know she was. And then I'm like, I got down there and I said, oh, that's who's paying for the parking spot. And they can do that.
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Speaker 5: But I just couldn't accept it. But it's good that you were in walking proximity, and I don't know if you walked or drove part of the way or whatever.
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Speaker 2: I was right in front of the city. I was there at the city-county building. I literally parked at the city-county building.
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Speaker 5: Okay, because there are, according to the rules that I read online, four, four, one, two, three, four, count them, free parking spaces for voters to, to come to the city-county building beginning yesterday, October 6th. Oh, that's nice. And by the way, yeah, and four, yeah. And by the way, although there's pretty good parking down there anyway, you know, downtown. And by the way, what you just said kind of parallels what I think you mentioned on the show, I know you have recently, about Texas. And I believe it was Tarrant County, Fort Wayne area, where they took away a bunch of voting sites. And you were like, that's just going to motivate people, which it has. And I think that same thing is what you were just saying is going to happen here. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Hey, we have a caller, Mr. Frank, who just came back from voting, wants to talk to us.
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Speaker 5: Mr.
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Speaker 2: Frank, how are you doing?
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Speaker 9: I'm doing great now. I just came back from voting. How are you doing, Mr.
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Speaker 4: James?
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Speaker 5: Hey, Mr. Frank, it's good to hear your voice. I'm glad you voted.
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Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 9: I wouldn't miss it for nothing in the world. And you were right about the free parking. They did have free parking there for voters.
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Speaker 2: Oh, that's great. Yeah. The free parking spot and spots. And then what our caller was saying, in addition to those, there was a person down there paying for parking for others as well.
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Speaker 4: So.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, parking is okay. Cool. I love it. Love it, love it, love it.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, that was a good thing right there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, parking was not an issue.
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Speaker 9: Well, that's all I wanted to let you know that.
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Speaker 2: I've done it. So, Frank, what was.
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Speaker 5: What motivated you? Yeah, why'd you go, man? Tell us.
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Speaker 9: Why did I go?
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: No, why'd you go maybe early? Because I know you vote.
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Speaker 9: Oh, I vote early. I vote early all the time because I don't want to miss the good days and good weather.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 9: You know, so you're going into October and November, you ain't even telling what kind of, what days the weather is going to be like. So I go because of the good days.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: What was it? Were there a lot of people there?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, a lot of people. Yeah.
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Speaker 5: What was it like? That's the thing for it. Yes, it was.
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Speaker 9: There was a lot of Mexicans in that, too.
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Speaker 5: Well, this time, it's like, this time, they're saying, you ain't tricking me this time.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, that's what I thought, too. You know, when I seen a lot of Mexicans going in there, I said, uh-oh. I said, they up on it now.
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Speaker 2: Wow, wow. All righty.
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Speaker 9: That's all I wanted to, you know, I just called in to let you know and maybe I encourage somebody else to do the same thing.
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Speaker 5: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's hope so. Thank you.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, tell everybody this time, please don't sit it out, Mr.
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Speaker 2: Frank. And take somebody with you. That's what you need to do. Take somebody with you because it's a wonderful thing. And yeah, parking, not too much of an issue. And yeah, and the fact that it's paid Those paid spots, people keep it moving, too, because not too many people stay downtown too very long. You're not going to get a hold. So there's movement there, too.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and just like we were talking about the access and the one, like you said, Tina, that's going to motivate people because there's only one. But just for a little background, Tina and Eric, in Hamilton County, Noblesville particularly is in Hamilton. County, so is Westfield, but in Hamilton County, which is not even close to the size of Marion County, Indianapolis, they have two voting centers open beginning October 6, 2026. One is at the Judicial Center, 1 Hamilton Square in Noblesville, opens from 8 a.m. to 4.30 p.m. from October 6th to October 9th, and it opens back up from the 12th to the 16th, same time, 8 to 4.30, and then the 19th and the 23rd, 8 to 4.30. Then they have the Hamilton County Fairgrounds. which is 2003 Pleasant Street in Noblesville. They opened yesterday. So they got two sites, and they're like, I don't know how big they are, but not even close to Indianapolis on the scale. And then they have sites that were open not when we opened our sites on the 24th, but three days before that, October 21st in Westfield, which is in Hamilton County. So they opened yesterday. Three days before Indianapolis, another small city or smaller, Westfield's growing, one of the fastest growing cities, on October 21st and 22nd at Westfield City Hall and also Cool Creek Nature Center in Carmel open on the 21st and also Westfield Washington Township opens on the 21st. So they're opening way before us and they have multiple sites just as an example.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I wonder how we get that changed. You were talking about the makeup, but we've got to get that changed.
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Speaker 3: How was it determined, I wonder?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I need to look that up, folks, Tina and Eric, but I believe that it's still the same. Two Democrats, two Republicans on this election board, this countywide election board. And when I was reporting, if you had two-two tie, there was no change. You couldn't change the current law, or you couldn't make changes when the voting would open. And you've got two Republicans and two Democrats, and the Republicans always oppose when the Democrats are— that has been in the past.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the stonewall, yeah.
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Speaker 5: Yeah. So that's where we're at, I believe.
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Speaker 2: So it's probably a matter of going back and changing— either the formula or the rules.
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Speaker 5: Or the makeup of the board.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the makeup, which is part of the formula.
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Speaker 5: And I don't know, that might be set up by the legislature. I don't know how they've got it.
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Speaker 2: I just wonder, legislatively, I wonder how things might hold up this year. Anyway, it'll be interesting.
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Speaker 5: Well, it's encouraging, Tina, that what you saw and what Frank saw today going there, even though the enthusiasm is high when it first opens, If it continues, it'll be something to watch.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we can only hope. But, yeah, so anyway, for those of you who would like, Ms. Frank made a good point. It is beautiful weather. You know, parking's not a problem. There are free spots down there. There are people that are buying parking spots. And while, you know, while the getting's good, while the weather's good, and if you can, the only thing about downtown is that it's, you know, the only thing, the time is shorter. I mean, it opens at 8 and it closes at 4.30. I think I pulled up right around five minutes after 4 yesterday, so I got there, you know.
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Speaker 3: You were there just before, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I always sit and visit with folks for a little while because I just want to know more things. I just want to know. So if you can work within that time frame, within those boundaries, by all means, please come down. Until we can do better, it's what we got. Until we can do better, it's all we got to work with, which is sad.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Well, we use what we got.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, do the best we can with what we got.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Thank goodness. Yes, thank God. And, oh, my goodness, yes. So, but, well, I think we'll be okay. I think that the enthusiasm is going to hold, good weather or bad. And I think the closer we get to the election, we're all going to be more encouraged, I think so, by the crowd. And, James, I'll never forget when that election that you and your wife stood in line, what was it, eight hours?
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Speaker 4: Seven.
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Speaker 5: Seven and a half.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sorry. Seven and a half.
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Speaker 5: Wow. Yeah, seven hours, 45 minutes, I think it was.
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Speaker 3: That's an entire work day almost.
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Speaker 5: Yeah. And it was a festive society. Obviously, there were other people in line or else we wouldn't have stood in line that long. People brought pizzas and sub sandwiches. And I mean, it was just, you know.
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Speaker 2: That was about five years ago, a little more than five years ago, right?
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Speaker 5: Yeah. And they shared, Tina, they shared. They wanted to encourage people to stay in line. A couple people get out, they couldn't take it, but mostly everybody stayed in and people came. And people brought food, they ordered food, you know, and It was really, really a nice experience that I won't soon forget.
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Speaker 2: Nope, not at all. I was just sharing a little bit of that the other day that we were in, me and my two young adults were in one of those lines down at the CCB. And there were folks with wagons driving, you know, walking around, giving drinks and snacks and food and They were playing music, and you're right, it was a festive atmosphere. And it wasn't D, R, or I's or L's. It was just voting, just the spirit of voting.
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Speaker 5: I think, Eric, this happened at St. Luke's United Methodist.
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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, 86th and Meridian, yeah.
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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, that's where it was. And it was really a sight to see.
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Speaker 2: And you were early voting, weren't you? You and your wife were early voting?
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Speaker 5: Yes, yes.
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Speaker 3: I remember seeing that story, hearing about that, too, Eric.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and St. Luke's at 86th and Meridian will again be an early voting site.
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Speaker 5: It will.
00:26:14
Speaker 2: And so it goes. But anyway, let's take a quick break. The lines are open, 317-480-1310, 317-480-1310 for whatever's on your mind. We'll get into a couple of things after the break, but hey, whatever is on your mind, give us a call, 317-480-1310.
00:26:38
Speaker 1: Let's get back to the conversation. It's Community Connection with Tina Cosby from the Praise Indie Indigo Studios on Praise AM 1310, 95.1 FM.
00:26:49
Speaker 2: And we're back with Community Connection. Let's go to the phone lines, 317-480-1310. Got a couple of things to run past you, but we'll go to the phone lines first. Gloria, go ahead. How are you?
00:27:03
Speaker 5: Oh, good morning, Tina.
00:27:04
Speaker 9: How are you?
00:27:05
Speaker 2: I'm well, thank you.
00:27:06
Speaker 5: And you?
00:27:07
Speaker 7: I just wanted to make a personal call because my name is Gloria Jones.
00:27:11
Speaker 10: I'm a gospel singer. Everybody know me here.
00:27:13
Speaker 8: But the music that you guys play for, you know, when you do your commercials, it is fabulous.
00:27:20
Speaker 4: I love it.
00:27:22
Speaker 6: I love it. I love it.
00:27:23
Speaker 2: Well, thank you.
00:27:26
Speaker 8: And dancing to it and, you know, it's wonderful. I just wanted to.
00:27:29
Speaker 6: Let you know.
00:27:30
Speaker 5: Well, thank you.
00:27:31
Speaker 2: You want to know the back story on that?
00:27:33
Speaker 5: Yes.
00:27:34
Speaker 2: Okay. A lot of people are. We're laughing because it's just funny. How long have we been wrestling with something, Eric, for the last several weeks?
00:27:43
Speaker 3: There have been several weeks we were trying to land on something.
00:27:45
Speaker 2: Trying to figure out and land on, because we had to surrender our other music due to some YouTube restrictions and what have you. So we were trying to come up with something, trying to come up with something, and they... Edmo and Eric, and they were sending me stuff and they kept saying, come on, Tina, what do you think? What do you think? And I was like, I don't know. So I got up, you know, early one morning, I was to, I think I was taking, yeah, I was taking my grandson to school and we were just waiting. I said, hey, I said, come here, I want you to listen to a couple of things. And so I played, you know, I said, you tell me what you think. Cause I literally, I really was stuck. I just couldn't decide. And I played a few. It was four. And I said, tell me one, two, three or four. He said, number two. And I said, OK, I'm going to play. I'm going to play some for you again. And I said, because I think I like number four. He said, no, number two. And I said, OK, I said, we're going to go through it one more time. I said, here comes all four of them. He said, I told you number two. And so then my daughter later, I had her check and she said she liked two and three or something. And she said, but I'm not going to even say what I like because I know what he says is going to go. And I said, well, you know what? I said, I can't choose. He was very different. He was more decisive than both of us. He had his mind. That was his mind out of a five year old. That was his mindset. He said, this is the song. And so I brought it back and I said, hey, Eric, I said, that's what my grandson said. Eric said, cool. You know, I think he and Edmo were just glad we had made a decision, period. And I probably was overanalyzing. Analysis paralysis, I think, is what they call it. Because you just couldn't decide. But thank you. You know, that's probably way too much info. Oh, well, bless your heart. Bless your heart.
00:29:39
Speaker 5: Well, yeah.
00:29:40
Speaker 2: Like I said, that's probably way too much info. But it was just kind of funny because it kind of is the equivalent of just, throwing the cards up in the air and see what comes down, you know? And I just, I just left it to him. You tell me, cause I can't decide.
00:29:54
Speaker 9: That's a good card.
00:29:55
Speaker 8: Good card.
00:29:56
Speaker 5: Keep going.
00:29:56
Speaker 7: I love you guys.
00:29:57
Speaker 2: All right.
00:29:58
Speaker 5: Thank you.
00:29:59
Speaker 2: Thank you. God bless you as well. Thank you very much. True story.
00:30:03
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:30:03
Speaker 2: True story.
00:30:04
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:30:04
Speaker 3: True. Definitely true.
00:30:05
Speaker 2: True story.
00:30:06
Speaker 3: James, did you, did Tina share that with you? Yeah.
00:30:09
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:30:09
Speaker 5: I was here today. Remember you guys asked me, you guys asked me my opinion and I said, yeah.
00:30:15
Speaker 3: I'll go with, uh, That's right, you did. Yeah, you did.
00:30:19
Speaker 5: The little grandson, awesome and amazing, I call him, because that's the word he used when.
00:30:24
Speaker 2: He was much younger.
00:30:25
Speaker 5: You're very kind. He surprised Tina with, oh, this is awesome and amazing. He's like, what was he, Tina, three or whatever?
00:30:31
Speaker 2: Three, he was about three. Yeah, awesome and amazing were the words he used.
00:30:35
Speaker 5: Vocabulary grows exponentially.
00:30:38
Speaker 2: A little bit too much, actually, sometimes, but he's got a vocabulary. But yeah, so anyway, we thank Gloria for that. And I thank you, Eric and Edmo, for all the work you did, you know, putting the choices before me who just simply could not make a decision.
00:30:54
Speaker 3: You're welcome. Our pleasure. Thank you.
00:30:57
Speaker 2: Thank you for all of that. Did you all hear? I got several emails last night. Karen Vaughn sent me one. Some other folks, some other friends, another friend of mine that works at a school sent it to me. But it looks like. IPS, from what I understand and from what we're reading, is looking to renegotiate some of its charter school agreements. Eric and James, are you familiar with that?
00:31:24
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. IPS seeks the power to charge innovation network schools more money amid a budget crunch.
00:31:33
Speaker 9: And this.
00:31:36
Speaker 5: Whole discussion we've been having over the weeks, months, and years is, Why should charter schools get out of paying certain costs that other public schools have to bear? And that falls back on the taxpayer because we're the ones who pay for the schools. But somehow charter schools have been exempt from that. So was that you guys' take on it?
00:32:04
Speaker 7: Yeah.
00:32:04
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:32:05
Speaker 8: Yeah.
00:32:06
Speaker 2: And, you know, that's... Hats off to Dr. Alicia Johnson for, you know, she sent out an extended video last night explaining that basically that IPS wants to close part of its multimillion dollar budget shortfall by getting more cash from its charter partners. And I don't have a problem with that.
00:32:34
Speaker 3: Neither do I.
00:32:34
Speaker 2: I do not have a problem.
00:32:36
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:32:36
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:32:37
Speaker 5: You know, these areas that they want to charge them in are services like transportation, food services, and facility support. I mean, what's wrong with that? Nothing. They have to pay for that regarding other IPS schools. So why can't the charter schools do their part?
00:32:59
Speaker 2: Well, my understanding from some friends at a couple of, I say a couple of charter networks, the charter networks are not happy. Some of them are not happy. These these have to do with IPS Innovation Network contracts that they're looking to renegotiate. You know, so, yeah. So, you know, good luck to, you.
00:33:22
Speaker 3: Know, I'm all for fairness.
00:33:24
Speaker 5: You're going to have to get the legislature to change the, you know, the law on charters regarding charters. So they can change what they charge them, and they're going to seek that from the legislature. Another reason why this election is important to put more people who feel IPS's pain, feel their shortfall. I mean, over the years, historically, the legislative formula for supporting– Public schools has been, when it comes to supporting urban public schools in particular, has been horrendous. And, you know, it's fallen far short of what they need. So here's an effort to change it. If you agree that IPS is, you know, has not been funded enough. the way it should have been funded.
00:34:26
Speaker 2: It's not been fairly funded.
00:34:28
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:34:29
Speaker 2: And apparently, uh, IPS is, is saying Senate enrolled act number one is a big reason that they are asking voters, uh, you know, for, yeah, for the property tax referendum.
00:34:41
Speaker 5: Yeah. Right. I mean, it's giving relief to property tax years, but it, you know, it's coming out of the, um, of the budgets of public schools and it's leaving them in a, What was that I saw somewhere? Was it Noblesville? I got to go back. But one of the surrounding county schools, they have a referendum on the ballot for their area. We won't vote on this. It'll be their area. And the superintendent stressed that if it doesn't pass, we're going to have to close a school. And also lay off some school employees. Yeah. So, you know, that's what we've come to.
00:35:24
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:35:24
Speaker 2: And the district says fundamentally the goal is to preserve the innovation network, to preserve the partnerships, but that it needs to charge more for the services that it gives those schools like you're saying transportation. So, I mean, it's real simple. It costs more. You know, it costs more.
00:35:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, it costs more. That's true.
00:35:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, but, yeah.
00:35:47
Speaker 5: Everything else is going up.
00:35:48
Speaker 3: That's what I was going to say, James.
00:35:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope that there's no unfair criticism of IPS for doing that. I mean, I know there might be some moans and groans, but frankly, I'm glad IPS is standing up.
00:35:58
Speaker 4: Ms.
00:35:58
Speaker 3: Johnson said, you know, they're not trying to turn a profit.
00:36:01
Speaker 4: No.
00:36:01
Speaker 3: They're just trying to cover the cost.
00:36:03
Speaker 2: Which is always the case.
00:36:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
00:36:05
Speaker 2: When has IPS ever tried to profit? I mean, they've been in survival mode, you know, treading water all, you know, because of how unfairly they have been funded over the years.
00:36:14
Speaker 3: For years.
00:36:14
Speaker 2: So good for, you know.
00:36:17
Speaker 5: I don't know. Well, here's what the report from Chalkbeat says, and I quote, IPS has signaled for some time that it would re-evaluate its contract with innovation schools, meaning innovation charter schools, which we were talking about. Last month, the district told its teachers union that it would reconsider innovation network agreements. That's what we're talking about here. They're going to go to the legislature to try to get this changed. Before I can put in a couple words here that are not there, before it has to, resorting to district-wide educator layoffs, to trim $ 20 million from its budget. So that's what's at stake here. Yeah. $ 20 million for IPS that they need to find somewhere in that budget. And they're saying, charter schools, we can no longer support you in transportation.
00:37:16
Speaker 2: Which is probably the biggest cost. Yeah, transportation. With gas prices, diesel, buses.
00:37:24
Speaker 5: Come on.
00:37:25
Speaker 3: Exactly.
00:37:26
Speaker 5: Yeah. That's got to be the biggest. We totally support you. I mean, they're saying you've got to pay more. You've got to chip in more.
00:37:33
Speaker 2: Right now they're not paying anything. Yeah. And let us not forget that when they first hit the scene, we can do more with less. We can do more than what you do with less.
00:37:46
Speaker 5: Charter schools, that was their mantra.
00:37:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was their claim to fame. Yeah, we can do more with less.
00:37:52
Speaker 3: We'll see.
00:37:53
Speaker 2: And again, nothing against charter schools. So, you know, is there some good ones? But this is business. You know, what do they say? It's not personal. It's business. This is business. And the business of this dictates or dictates that this is what's probably going to have to happen.
00:38:10
Speaker 5: And that's why the election is important, because people who would tend to agree with what IPS wants to do have been in the superminority. And the supermajority has not agreed with what IPS would like to do in this case with charter schools paying more.
00:38:30
Speaker 2: Well, I'm with you and Eric. I agree with what IPS is trying to do. So, good luck.
00:38:35
Speaker 10: 317-480-1310, 317-480-1310.
00:38:35
Speaker 2: Josephine, you have a question? First of all, I want to say, hi, Tina. Hi, James.
00:38:39
Speaker 5: Hi, Eric. Hello. Hi, Josephine.
00:38:51
Speaker 7: I tend to vote absentee. I'm going to vote absentee ballot this time, too, because I have scoliosis. I can't stand in a line too long, and I just don't have transportation. What is your opinion about ensuring the people who vote absentee will get their vote in?
00:39:17
Speaker 2: What do you mean?
00:39:20
Speaker 5: I mean... Will it count, you mean?
00:39:24
Speaker 7: Yeah, will it count or.
00:39:26
Speaker 9: Will we be able to get out fully?
00:39:28
Speaker 7: Is it going to be a problem?
00:39:30
Speaker 5: Yeah, are you going to do it in the mail? Is that what you're talking about, Justine?
00:39:35
Speaker 7: I'm doing it in the mail, because I don't have a choice.
00:39:38
Speaker 5: Yeah. I just wanted to get the word out. If you can, we're.
00:39:42
Speaker 7: Seeing what we can do.
00:39:44
Speaker 5: Get to the voting booth. I would encourage that. That's a good question, Josephine. And I think everybody who wants to vote by mail should do so. But I heard Kate Sweeney-Bell, I think she's Marin County clerk, isn't she, Tina? Kate Sweeney-Bell say that one option is even if you have a mail-in ballot, you can drop it off. Beginning on the 24th, you can drop it off at a satellite center, and there's like eight or nine of them.
00:40:15
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, they'll take those.
00:40:16
Speaker 5: Yeah, eight of them. Yeah, they'll take them, or you can drop it off downtown. Yeah, a total of eight. So you don't have to put it in the mail. Because I agree with you, and I don't want to, you know, besmirch anybody's administration or anything, but I can say in the last couple years, the mail service has definitely declined as far as how long it takes. a piece of mail to get from A to B distance and from location to location. It has definitely, you know, gotten worse. And, you know, some days I don't even get mail. And I know that's not true because solicitors are sending me stuff all the time. I know I should get something. But, you know, and I.
00:41:06
Speaker 7: I have another question. If you fill out an application and haven't mailed it in for absentee ballot, is it still possible to vote in person even though you asked for an absentee ballot?
00:41:21
Speaker 8: Yeah.
00:41:22
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you don't turn that absentee ballot in.
00:41:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say, as long as you haven't turned it in.
00:41:25
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:41:27
Speaker 5: Absolutely. Don't mail it, though, and then go vote in person.
00:41:31
Speaker 6: Then you'd be in a lot of trouble.
00:41:32
Speaker 2: The computer's going to block you.
00:41:33
Speaker 5: They'll be knocking at your door. If I was going to take people, they'd know that, too.
00:41:38
Speaker 7: Okay.
00:41:39
Speaker 8: Well, I might do that.
00:41:39
Speaker 7: I might get some. I might take me somewhere after the.
00:41:43
Speaker 9: 24th and vote. There's an area over here. I'm on 71st and Michigan Road. There's an area over here.
00:41:50
Speaker 5: I know that. Oh, you're at 71st and Michigan? Yeah, you can go to the Pike Library.
00:41:57
Speaker 2: Which is on 71st and Zionsville. That's about three, maybe four miles west of 71st and Michigan.
00:42:07
Speaker 7: Well, Eskenazi right across the street down here on Michigan Road.
00:42:11
Speaker 5: But you can't do that until November 3rd, because that's not a satellite.
00:42:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not a satellite.
00:42:19
Speaker 5: That's a regular site.
00:42:21
Speaker 2: That's a vote center. That's a vote center.
00:42:24
Speaker 5: Yeah, up here on the north and northwest side, you've got a choice between the Pike Library and St. Luke's, 86th and Meridian.
00:42:34
Speaker 7: I know where that is.
00:42:35
Speaker 4: Okay, that's all.
00:42:37
Speaker 8: I wanted to know.
00:42:38
Speaker 5: I appreciate it.
00:42:38
Speaker 7: So I can still vote, even though I haven't sent.
00:42:42
Speaker 9: In my– okay.
00:42:43
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, or give it to somebody who's not going to physically vote. They want to send it in, and you can go.
00:42:52
Speaker 1: Yes, ma'am.
00:42:53
Speaker 11: OK, I appreciate that.
00:42:54
Speaker 10: Thank you.
00:42:55
Speaker 2: All right. Thank you. Yeah.
00:42:58
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:42:58
Speaker 2: We don't want double dip. Have anything cancel it out. But good question, though.
00:43:05
Speaker 3: It is a good question.
00:43:06
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:43:07
Speaker 2: Yeah. We can't have people regarding the elections on enough. You know, I'm going to try to get somebody in here all the time. Julia gave me the names of a couple of folks that I reached out to. and hopefully we can get them in here as well. But, you know, once you get to it, you know, like the simplicity of once you get to wherever it is you're going, walking in, casting your vote, and coming out, it couldn't be easier.
00:43:36
Speaker 4: Very easy.
00:43:38
Speaker 2: It's just all of this stuff prior. It's very easy, yeah. All of this stuff.
00:43:42
Speaker 5: You know, Tina, if I'm not here, you guys, you know, be sure to ask them, and maybe I might need to go to the Marion County Bar Association website. This might be a question for, like, you know, one of the lawyers that you know, Tina, is I have a sample ballot, which I'm going to send to you and Eric. It's just for me, for my address, but you'll get the gist of it. You were mentioning this earlier, Tina. The judges. I mean, what do we do with the judges and ask, you know, to retain the judges? So, we've got to have a guide to kind of suggest, you know, like the Marion County Bar Association, the Black Bar Association, I think would be a good one to say, this is a good one to retain. This is not. I need to study up on that because a lot of people, if they don't know, they'll just skip those. You know, they won't vote either way.
00:44:36
Speaker 3: That's true.
00:44:37
Speaker 4: You're right.
00:44:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is true. Yeah, very good. Very good point. You say the Marion County Bar Association?
00:44:46
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's the Black Bar Association. Because the National Bar Association is the Black Lawyers Association nationally. But I believe the offshoot of that in Marion County is the Marion County Bar Association, I think. Yeah, here we go. In Indiana.
00:45:14
Speaker 2: By the way, just got a text message regarding our last conversation about IPS. It says in order for IPS to survive, they have to do something.
00:45:25
Speaker 5: So.
00:45:25
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:45:26
Speaker 5: So there you go. In a nutshell.
00:45:28
Speaker 2: In a nutshell. Another nutshell.
00:45:31
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:45:32
Speaker 5: And that's a good point, Tina. I'm glad shows people are listening. And we know they always are. But, I mean, shows are listening closely. I just brought up you guys, Tina and Eric. The Marion County Bar Association is. Bar Association is a black lawyer association. So I'm going to check out their website. But just for y'all's people can Google Marion County Bar Association, bring that up to see if they have, you know, in some way evaluated the different judges on the ballot. And yeah, and try to tell us, you know, or guide us on which ones to retain or not. Yeah, yeah.
00:46:19
Speaker 2: And which ones to retain or not.
00:46:21
Speaker 3: That's good to know, because as you said, people, they'll skip it. They don't understand it in a lot of cases.
00:46:26
Speaker 5: Right, that's right.
00:46:27
Speaker 3: I don't know that judge. I don't know that name.
00:46:30
Speaker 5: Yeah. So rather than give them a vote, they'll just leave.
00:46:36
Speaker 2: Did you guys hear, I told you, this story is just, I don't know why it keeps getting my attention, but The Krista Pike botched execution in Tennessee.
00:46:46
Speaker 5: Yeah.
00:46:46
Speaker 2: Conscious and talking.
00:46:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, exactly.
00:46:50
Speaker 5: And she's chained to her bed. I mean, oh, my God. This is a woman who they tried to kill twice in an execution attempt. She survived it. They took her to the hospital. She was on a ventilator. God spared her life. She's alive and talking, conscious and talking. And she still has a death sentence on her.
00:47:15
Speaker 2: But yeah, the warrant hasn't been carried out.
00:47:18
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:47:19
Speaker 5: The governor down there said we won't, you know, he paused them for the rest of the year. But ho, ho, whoa, whoa.
00:47:26
Speaker 2: That is a hotter than hot mess how they're going to extract themselves from that. Because, you know, we were talking the other day about her attorneys asking that her death sentence be set aside and you know commuted to commuted i guess to life in prison without parole or whatever given the circumstances but it would be interesting i should have had i should i should have had a lawyer and if anybody's out there that's an attorney let me know but are they still obligated to carry out that warrant yeah we talked about it and they they.
00:47:56
Speaker 5: Are yes ma'am they are still under the death penalty oh yeah.
00:48:00
Speaker 2: So the fact that she's chained to the bed she's still a uh You know, she's still with the Tennessee Department of Corrections or however they. Yeah, she's not free to go.
00:48:11
Speaker 5: Her lawyers are going to argue double jeopardy. You know, I mean, that's that. I'm not a lawyer, but if a sentence is carried out and they're unable to state to complete the sentence. I do not believe– I mean, they can take this all the way to the Supreme Court, and if they do, this Supreme Court may let them kill her again.
00:48:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.
00:48:35
Speaker 5: I do not believe that they can, based upon the Constitution. if you read it right, can execute her again because they tried and failed. Yeah. And that would be double jeopardy on that sentence.
00:48:46
Speaker 2: Well, even there's some kind of language in the state of Indiana that if they're not executed within a certain time frame, that's why Indiana used to always do theirs one minute after midnight because they have to be executed by sunup, you know, before the sun comes up the following day. That could be, Tina. There's some language in there that if it doesn't happen within X, Y, and Z, then... You know, there's no execution.
00:49:09
Speaker 5: She has multiple avenues to try.
00:49:11
Speaker 2: To, you know, not go through that again. Yeah, she can probably keep that tied up in uh court uh for a while for a long and um but i i was just like how in the world is she uh conscious and talking.
00:49:27
Speaker 3: Yeah that's something with all of that two hits two hits of.
00:49:30
Speaker 5: That yeah they said that they could never get it in their lawyer said they couldn't get it in her veins So that, what is it? Femobarbital or whatever?
00:49:40
Speaker 2: Pentobarbital.
00:49:42
Speaker 5: Pentobarbital. Thank you, Tina. That got into her body instead of her veins.
00:49:49
Speaker 2: Well, and you think they, what, flushed it out with the.
00:49:53
Speaker 8: I don't know.
00:49:53
Speaker 5: They were trying to flush it out.
00:49:54
Speaker 2: They were trying to flush it out.
00:49:56
Speaker 5: It evidently put her to sleep, into a deep sleep.
00:49:58
Speaker 2: No, no, no. I'm talking about when she got medical attention that they were able to flush it out of her body.
00:50:03
Speaker 5: I don't know. That was one of the lawyers, the point that I read that he made was that they didn't have any medical, emergency medical service units, paramedics right there. Unbelievable. So they had to get somebody on the hospital to try to get oxygen to her. to save her life because the Tennessee law only allows them to try twice in one thing.
00:50:28
Speaker 2: Therein lies the rub. I didn't know that they only could do twice. I hadn't read that.
00:50:32
Speaker 3: I just, an update, guys, from a Nashville, Tennessee TV station.
00:50:36
Speaker 2: Okay.
00:50:37
Speaker 3: Status hearing was held, of course, in Nashville yesterday. I'm sorry, today on the preservation of evidence from the failed execution of Krista. last week. Her attorneys are granted the expedited hearing Friday to discuss the preservation of relevant evidence after they filed an emergency motion.
00:51:00
Speaker 2: Wow.
00:51:01
Speaker 3: It goes on to say, I think I saw something this morning that Tennessee was considering not doing executions after this. That was something they were discussing.
00:51:16
Speaker 5: The governor paused it Pause them until the end of 2026.
00:51:20
Speaker 3: Right, right.
00:51:21
Speaker 5: Yeah.
00:51:22
Speaker 3: I think I saw where they were having a discussion that possibly- They weren't going to do it at all?
00:51:26
Speaker 4: Right.
00:51:27
Speaker 3: From there forward, possibly not to do from here forward after this happened.
00:51:32
Speaker 5: Eric, that's a good point because at the bottom of it, what I read was is the pharmacists who produce these and sell- Well, they distribute, I guess, the pharmacists. But the makers of these drugs, makers of the drugs, would y'all call it penobarbital?
00:51:59
Speaker 3: Penobarbital, I think it is.
00:52:00
Speaker 5: Yeah, penobarbital.
00:52:02
Speaker 3: Pento.
00:52:02
Speaker 2: P-E-N-T-O.
00:52:03
Speaker 3: Pento, barbital, yeah.
00:52:04
Speaker 5: Okay, the makers of that drug, that lethal drug... Most of them are against having it used in that way, in a death execution.
00:52:17
Speaker 2: Oh, really? I hadn't heard that. What is the drug used for?
00:52:23
Speaker 6: I don't know.
00:52:26
Speaker 2: Let's go to the maps.
00:52:27
Speaker 3: Live radio right here.
00:52:31
Speaker 2: Here we go. That's not a problem. 317-480-1310. 317-480-1310 is the number. Lines are open for whatever may be on your mind. Still ahead, we've got someone talking about joining us, an attorney, by the way. Well, that's a whole other area of expertise, but estate planning and elder law, estate planning and elder law. And if you've ever had any relatives or friends that work in a funeral home, you know that some of this stuff that is ironed out in advance could save a whole lot of drama in those rooms when families are, you know, making decisions. final preparations.
00:53:17
Speaker 3: I guess it's phenobarbital. P-H-E-N-O-B-A-R-B-I-T-A-L.
00:53:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was spelled... Well, they spelled it.
00:53:25
Speaker 3: Or did they spell it differently than that?
00:53:26
Speaker 2: They spelled it... Yeah.
00:53:27
Speaker 3: Pento?
00:53:28
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:53:29
Speaker 5: I was... Yeah. I thought it was phenobarbital.
00:53:31
Speaker 3: Well, pheno is used as a sedative.
00:53:33
Speaker 2: Here it is.
00:53:34
Speaker 5: Okay, there we go. That makes sense.
00:53:35
Speaker 3: Now that one.
00:53:36
Speaker 5: No wonder why she was snoring. If they got all that in her body, it was like.
00:53:40
Speaker 3: I suppose.
00:53:40
Speaker 2: So Tina, it's spelled P-E... P-E-N-T-O, barbitol.
00:53:46
Speaker 3: Oh, that's different than what I'm looking at then.
00:53:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me look.
00:53:49
Speaker 3: And this phenobarbitol is for death.
00:53:51
Speaker 2: I've heard of phenol, and I was wondering why that wasn't.
00:53:54
Speaker 3: That's used for, it causes drowsiness. Phenobarbitol. I'm going to grab this call while you guys.
00:54:05
Speaker 5: Yeah, go ahead. But maybe that's not the same one that they use in the death cocktail. Um, Tina, uh, phenobarbital is maybe not the same. Well, maybe it's the one you're talking about. Okay.
00:54:23
Speaker 2: Pentobarbital is a short acting barbiturate that depresses the central nervous system prescribed medically for sedation, short-term treatment of insomnia, preparation for anesthesia and emergency control of severe seizures. So there is certain, yeah, P-E-N-T-O-B-A-R-B-I-T-A-L. Pentobarbital. There it is. So that's what they, now that's what it said in the, let me see, let me ask again. Was P-E-N-T-O.
00:54:59
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. Tina, I think Pat is on line three and Maybe explain that. Pentobarbital.
00:55:12
Speaker 2: It says pentobarbital is the drug specified in Tennessee's lethal injection protocol, which applies to the case of Krista Pike. So it was pinto, not vino. But anyway, Pat, go ahead.
00:55:27
Speaker 3: Let's see. Let me bring Pat.
00:55:28
Speaker 5: Pat, go ahead.
00:55:29
Speaker 10: How are you this morning?
00:55:31
Speaker 8: Good. How are you?
00:55:32
Speaker 5: Good.
00:55:33
Speaker 10: I was just calling to let you know that when they said pentobarbital, I know it's used to control certain seizures, but you clarified that, so thank you. But what I wanted to comment on is this. This woman is a victim.
00:55:49
Speaker 11: They've tried to kill her twice, and everybody.
00:55:53
Speaker 10: Else is looking over the obvious reason she's not dead. God didn't want her to die.
00:55:58
Speaker 9: It's as simple as that.
00:56:02
Speaker 11: If it wasn't in his will for her... to make it, she would have died the first time. But for them to try two different occasions to kill her and it didn't work, they need to back up because that is God himself. And when you ignore what God is saying, you're in trouble. They need to back off. I just wanted to let that be known.
00:56:25
Speaker 10: Have a great day. I love you, Tina.
00:56:26
Speaker 2: Thank you. Appreciate you. Appreciate you indeed. Yeah, so let's step away for a few seconds just to get our ID in, and we'll be right back. 317-480-1310. Taking your calls, questions, comments, and more right after this.
00:56:43
Speaker 1: WTLC AM, W236 CR Indianapolis. Broadcasting from the Praise Indy Indigo Studios. Discussing the issues that matter to you. It's Community Connection with Tina Cosby on Praise AM 1310, 95.1 FM.
00:57:00
Speaker 2: And we're back heading into our second hour, 317-480-1310. Eric back there working the phone lines as quickly as he can, as best he can. So bear with him, bear with him. He's getting to you. He's going to get to you. James Patterson is here with us, our contributing analyst. And so what we understand is that it was pentobarbital used.
00:57:23
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:57:24
Speaker 5: Phenobarbital is a long-acting barbiturate. They're closely related. Mainly used for long-term seizure control, while pentobarbital is a short-acting. So female is long-acting. Pentobarbital is short-acting barbiturate used for rapid sedation. Anesthesia and refractory status epiliptycus. Epiliptycus. I think it's E-P-I-L-E-P-T-I-C-U-S. So phenobarbital is long-acting and is primarily used to control generalized tonic and focal seizures. Sedation for anxiety or agitation and pediatric anti-convulsant use. Whereas penobarbital is rapid sedation and pre-anesthetic use. And it's for refractory status epilepticus, or I guess it's something close to epilepsy when first line agents fail. So, wow, that's one part of it. And then I had the three, It's a three, a three, the lethal injection is three cocktail. It's given in sequential order. The sodium theopentol or pentobarbital, that's its name, first, and then the pancuronium bromide, that's second, that non-depolarizing muscle relaxant, which causes complete, fast, and sustained paralysis. of the thyroid and skeletal muscles. And then potassium chloride or potassium salt. So those three.
00:59:18
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:59:19
Speaker 2: Well, they messed it up. They messed it up badly.
00:59:22
Speaker 9: 317-480-1310.
00:59:23
Speaker 2: And I can't wait to hear how this resolves itself because it's... It's a no-win situation. They're not going to win either way. Whatever the decision is, it's a no-win. Unfortunately, that's going to be a no-win.
00:59:41
Speaker 5: 317-480-1310.
00:59:42
Speaker 2: Jeff, go ahead. How are you?
00:59:43
Speaker 5: Hey, Tina, Eric, and James. How you doing?
00:59:47
Speaker 2: Doing good. Thank you.
00:59:50
Speaker 5: Good. James, you're going to get a kick out of this one. Mm-hmm. You know, it was on the news today that in Maryland... Westmore, the governor, right? Yeah. Negotiated a deal to get a lot of USS Navy nuclear submarines built with a firm that builds Virginia-class nuclear subs. And Donald Trump wasn't going to speak. But Donald Trump didn't want the governor of Maryland to speak. The governor who negotiated this deal, and now Trump is taking credit for it. Did y'all see that on the news? Yeah, I mean, that's par for the course for him. Yeah, a black man got the deal done, but Trump's going to take credit for it. So just a little food for thought there, Tina. Just a little food for thought.
01:00:49
Speaker 2: You know, I was listening to.
01:00:50
Speaker 5: The black man negotiated the deal, got the deal done, got the people here, but Trump's taking credit for it.
01:00:55
Speaker 4: Of course.
01:00:56
Speaker 5: And wouldn't let the governor speak. Of course, of course. Called him low IQ.
01:00:59
Speaker 9: Yeah.
01:01:00
Speaker 5: We're talking about a man that went to Cambridge University over in England. Yeah. Well, that's, you know, he is, I mean, the man's a racist. I mean, that's just, you know, I mean, that's what he is. Oh, no, no, no. We got some brothers out there that think the world of him. No, we don't. Yeah, but what he does proves his mindset.
01:01:19
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:01:24
Speaker 2: There are some brothers and sisters too.
01:01:26
Speaker 5: I don't even call them brothers and sisters because I saw a bunch of them right in the dumpster here about an hour ago. Okay, I'm going.
01:01:35
Speaker 4: To leave that one alone.
01:01:36
Speaker 5: You know where I'm going with that one, don't you?
01:01:39
Speaker 2: I do.
01:01:40
Speaker 5: Anyway, I am going to vote. I haven't voted yet.
01:01:44
Speaker 2: Are you going to vote early, Jeff, or are you going to vote on election day?
01:01:48
Speaker 5: I always vote early. I'm going to vote. I'm going to vote because... This is a vote for democracy and a vote against fascism. Yeah. Jeff, do you have anybody that you can influence to vote with you, like you can bring along or send along? I talk to a lot of people, and they're going to vote. If you don't vote, I'm going to have nothing to do with you. Nope, if you're black and you don't want to vote and I don't want to hear all that, well, my vote don't count.
01:02:17
Speaker 4: Yes, it does.
01:02:18
Speaker 5: And why are they going through so much trouble to keep you from voting? Well, man, you know what I'm saying, Jeff. But I ain't got time for that, so I'm going to vote. I've been voting since 1980.
01:02:32
Speaker 4: 1980.
01:02:33
Speaker 5: That's good, Jeff. And I never miss a vote because I know black people were lynched just for the right to vote. Just for trying to get people, signing up people to vote, they were lynched. Viola Louiso from Detroit. Yeah, an Italian woman from Detroit. Yeah, she got her head blown off just for taking black people to sign up for voting. And, you know, and that's what I was talking about the other day, Tina, with the, I forgot the young ladies that you had on there Monday. about the voting.
01:03:12
Speaker 2: Oh, Julia Vaughn.
01:03:14
Speaker 5: Yes, because, you know, they done put themselves in a bit of a pickle. You know, they're going to get slaughtered, beat up in the midterms. The House is definitely in place, Senate up in the air. But if Trump goes through this threat, Senate, DHS, that's going to be a catch-22, because people are going to say, wait a minute, you're sitting out... The federal government keep me from voting? That means you don't want to deal with the results of the election. So, yeah, you already lost, but you're just going to hijack our democracy. So it's a lose-lose. And then we go from a democracy to a dictatorship. And some of y'all fought out there. I didn't want to vote for that black woman. I ain't voting for no black woman. I'm voting for a white serial rapist. So some of y'all, I know... Yeah, I don't call them brothers and sisters.
01:04:05
Speaker 4: I don't.
01:04:06
Speaker 5: I don't care who gets mad or upset. I ain't taking nothing back. I meant what I said. And some of you all, you know who you are. You go into people's trash cans. You steal food. You got that little black little mask on, that furry little tail, all that other good stuff. That's who you are. Stephen A. Smith. Byron Donalds, Nicki Minaj, you know what you are. I got more respect for the four-legged ones than I do for the two-legged ones, Tina. I said it. I ain't taking it back. I refuse to. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, you know, and I ain't talking about Roy Raccoon either. I'm talking about those other ones, you know. So I'm done.
01:04:44
Speaker 4: Goodbye.
01:04:45
Speaker 2: All right, Jeff.
01:04:45
Speaker 5: Thank you.
01:04:46
Speaker 9: 317-480-1310.
01:04:46
Speaker 2: 317-480-1310 is the number to the show. And lines are open for whatever may be on your mind. James Patterson is here with us, as is our producer, Eric Garn. Oh, no, no, no. Garnet, James.
01:05:05
Speaker 5: Garnet. Yeah, Garnet.
01:05:07
Speaker 2: And it's after two.
01:05:08
Speaker 5: It's after two.
01:05:09
Speaker 2: It's 10 after two, actually. Almost going on three. So tonight, I want to remind everyone, speaking of voting and the like, and he was, when he mentioned Julia Garnet, Vaughn from Sunday from Monday, rather from Monday show. She issued the invitation to a free watch party for the secretary of state debate, which is taking place tonight at seven o'clock. The secretary of state's office in a nutshell, they are the chief elections officer in the entire state of Indiana, the chief elections officer. And to give you an idea, the current secretary of state, Diego Morales, has already surrendered voter rolls to the Trump administration because they asked for it. Let that sink in. The current one. Now, he's not running. He didn't get endorsed by his party and so on and so forth. But the candidates who are going to be debating tonight, this will be the second debate tonight, starting at 7 o'clock. Max Engeling, he's the Republican. Beau Bayh is the Democrat. Greg Ballard is the Independent, and Laura Schillings, I'm trying to figure out, she might be, is she the Green Party? Libertarian, isn't she? Libertarian, okay, Libertarian, I'm sorry. Yeah, Libertarian, my bad. I don't know what else. But anyway, Max Engling, Bo Bai, Greg Ballard, and Laura Schillings, they're all going to be participating in the Indiana Debate Commissions event at WFYI's Public Television Studios downtown. There will not be a live audience, but you can watch the debate on most Indiana PBS stations. You can also watch it live on the Indy Star website, indystar.com website. You can also watch it there. But very important to hear from all of these candidates. Julia pointed out that of all of the candidates, the only one talking about if they get in office, they would make it mandatory that every voter in the state of Indiana would get a voter guide, a published voter guide in the mail prior to any and all elections. And that is, guess who? Not the Democrat. The former Republican, now independent, former mayor of Indianapolis, Greg Ballard. So she was saying that he's the one... It's interesting that he is the one talking about... interesting issues, like voter guides and things of that nature, because she was saying that other states around the country, they send them out just on the regular. I mean, that's just part of their budget. They take a million dollars for printing and mailing and whatever costs, a million to two million. I think she said it would be somewhere between one and two million dollars here to do that for the state of Indiana, which she says is just, for the most part, nominal. It just wouldn't cost a whole lot of money.
01:08:18
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, that's a good idea. He also, Ballard, wants Secretary of State race to be non-politically affiliated, meaning, you know, you wouldn't declare a party, you'd just be a candidate. He wants it to be, you know, yeah. But I like his idea about the voter guide.
01:08:39
Speaker 2: I like that too.
01:08:41
Speaker 5: Because I had to go to IndyVotes. to get my ballot. And that's why I started asking all the questions, and we were talking about the judges and who are they and what do you vote for? We need guidance on that. So that was a great idea because people don't know. I hear people coming up to me all the time. Even going into the voting place, do you know anything about these judges or what do you know about this candidate? Because there's not enough information out there about the candidates.
01:09:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, there were two I knew a lot about and three others I knew about just on a surface level. But that's just based on what I do. So a lot of folks probably don't have that knowledge.
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Speaker 11: 317-480-1310, 317-480-1310.
01:09:35
Speaker 2: So if you want to watch and see where each of the candidates are, where they all stand, This debate, again, this is the second one. It'll be tonight, 7 o'clock. And you can watch it on any Indiana PBS TV station or IndyStar.com, live on the IndyStars website.
01:10:00
Speaker 5: So there'll be four.
01:10:02
Speaker 2: No live audience, interestingly enough. No live audience for this one.
01:10:07
Speaker 5: Yeah, no live audience, so... I mean, that's a really competitive race, so we'll see what happens there.
01:10:13
Speaker 2: That's probably the most exciting race that we'll have in the state, you know.
01:10:17
Speaker 5: Competitive, indeed.
01:10:18
Speaker 2: Brother Darrell, go ahead. How are you?
01:10:21
Speaker 4: Hey, Sister Tina Fine. How are you doing?
01:10:24
Speaker 2: Doing just fantastic, I think. Just fantastic.
01:10:28
Speaker 4: Eric, and is it James?
01:10:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, James.
01:10:31
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I'm recommending all of y'all for a race.
01:10:36
Speaker 2: Can we escalate that?
01:10:39
Speaker 6: Can we have applause, please?
01:10:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's escalate that one. Okay, thank you.
01:10:46
Speaker 6: Thank you, thank you.
01:10:48
Speaker 4: Yeah, but what I wanted to always say is I do vote, and I've pretty much always voted. At one point in time, I didn't do the primaries because they used to say that when you voted for the primaries, That was how you got selected for jury duty.
01:11:07
Speaker 3: I heard that, too, somewhere.
01:11:09
Speaker 4: But then I did start it during the primary, and I got the yellow card for jury duty. Okay.
01:11:15
Speaker 5: Okay, well, coincidence, I think not. What's your take on jury duty? They say it's important, especially so that you, you know, make the pools a little more multiracial, multiracial. you know, have different opinions and stuff.
01:11:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, think about if that brother hadn't been on a jury, you know.
01:11:38
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, that would have gone a whole different direction.
01:11:41
Speaker 2: The one that didn't want to convict the woman for killing the kids.
01:11:44
Speaker 3: Right, for killing the kids, yeah. Look at the grief he's got, how they went after him. Yeah, but he held his ground.
01:11:50
Speaker 2: He held his ground. He said very simply, she killed three children.
01:11:54
Speaker 8: Yeah, he did.
01:11:55
Speaker 4: I did get called. I did get called down there, and I wasn't selected. You know, I used to sit in the assembly room. So I did do that a couple times.
01:12:03
Speaker 5: Okay, you went through with it. Yeah.
01:12:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did. I went ahead and went through with it. But I was calling to follow up on the conversation yesterday with the train robber.
01:12:16
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, the train robber.
01:12:18
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
01:12:19
Speaker 5: Okay.
01:12:20
Speaker 4: I went out last night and dusted my shovels off.
01:12:23
Speaker 5: Ah, okay.
01:12:27
Speaker 4: They say that money's there somewhere.
01:12:29
Speaker 2: Okay, okay. You just got to find it. You just got to find it. Would it still spend today?
01:12:34
Speaker 5: Because that's more than 150 years old.
01:12:35
Speaker 6: Yeah, would it spend today?
01:12:36
Speaker 2: That's a good question. Would that work? And was it, well, was it in cash or was it in gold? Because sometimes gold coins are, yeah, because currency was, yeah, it was a little different sometimes.
01:12:50
Speaker 4: It was a little different, yeah. Well, they said on that documentary that that $ 13, 000, which was the first one they did, would have been worth $ 130 million today.
01:13:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, but was it paper cash?
01:13:03
Speaker 12: Gold coins i think it was gold coins and i think there was some paper okay mason jars these huge mason jars so i think the bulk of it.
01:13:13
Speaker 4: Was gold coins okay you know they were stealing money from the bank so however they were moving their cash around so.
01:13:20
Speaker 2: Here here's the question here here's the question brother daryl If you happen to find the money, is it a finders, keepers, losers, weepers situation? Or would you be mandated by law to turn that money over to law enforcement?
01:13:38
Speaker 4: Well, if they try to say it was unrightfully confiscated, I guess I'd have to give it up. But other than that, I'd be, you know, just give me a share of it.
01:13:48
Speaker 5: Okay. There might still be a reward for it.
01:13:51
Speaker 2: Well, and I know there will still be a reward. The bank no longer exists. The banking system.
01:13:56
Speaker 4: No longer exists.
01:13:57
Speaker 3: That system's gone.
01:13:58
Speaker 2: So who would restitution be made to?
01:14:00
Speaker 5: He doesn't have to give it back. He wouldn't have to give it back.
01:14:03
Speaker 4: He hits.
01:14:03
Speaker 5: He hits.
01:14:07
Speaker 4: I like who said that. I like that comment.
01:14:10
Speaker 7: Yeah, indeed.
01:14:10
Speaker 4: All right. All right.
01:14:12
Speaker 2: You keep looking.
01:14:14
Speaker 4: I will.
01:14:15
Speaker 10: Okay.
01:14:15
Speaker 2: Let me know what you find out.
01:14:16
Speaker 8: Okay.
01:14:17
Speaker 12: All right.
01:14:19
Speaker 4: Thank you. Have a great night.
01:14:20
Speaker 5: You too.
01:14:21
Speaker 8: Rick, go ahead.
01:14:22
Speaker 2: Do you have a comment? Rick, go ahead.
01:14:23
Speaker 7: How are you?
01:14:24
Speaker 6: How are you both?
01:14:25
Speaker 4: Great.
01:14:25
Speaker 6: How are you guys doing today?
01:14:26
Speaker 3: Doing good.
01:14:27
Speaker 4: All right.
01:14:28
Speaker 5: Doing good.
01:14:29
Speaker 6: Hey, as far as the young lady in Tennessee, I didn't know. James educated me when he told me about the deal where You only get two tries because this sounds cold and malice, but from what that lady did, I understand she murdered another young lady. Did she cut her skull off or keep part of her skull for a souvenir?
01:14:52
Speaker 5: I don't know if she did that.
01:14:54
Speaker 2: She split her throat.
01:14:58
Speaker 5: I mean, it was vicious. It was no doubt about a horrendous crime that many people would say she deserves to die for.
01:15:08
Speaker 2: You don't go to death row being a Girl Scout. I mean, she did some.
01:15:12
Speaker 5: Pretty horrendous things.
01:15:13
Speaker 6: It wasn't jaywalking or anything like that.
01:15:16
Speaker 4: No, no, no.
01:15:16
Speaker 3: Serious, serious.
01:15:18
Speaker 6: And then I've also been told that she tried to kill someone else after she's been locked up, which she's been in there 32 years. But this woman's pretty heinous. And as dark as this sounds, my first thought was, why couldn't the guards just shoot her and finish her off? Why would you take somebody to a hospital that you're trying to kill? It's me, James, and Eric go deer hunting this weekend. And I get a good shot at a buck. I hit him, and he falls, and we walk up on him. And they say, oh, Rick, he's still alive. We don't say, oh, we need to find a pen.
01:15:53
Speaker 5: I know you're trying to make light of it, and it is pretty funny. I know what you're saying, and that's a good way to put it. But like I said, the law there is that they don't kill her twice by lethal injection. They can't do anything about it. And another thing, take this into consideration, Rick, that I think death row existence, that is a penalty in itself. A horrendous penalty because basically she has spent more than three decades in solitary confinement. And it's supposed to be where I'm sure there's some differentiations on how it's applied and what the conditions are. But generally, if you're on death row, you're supposed to get one hour of out-of-the-sale free time a day, maybe a shower or something. It's part of that exercise. But to be in solitary confinement for three decades, that is in itself, to me, a grand punishment. Not death, but it's got to be right next to it.
01:17:06
Speaker 4: Right.
01:17:06
Speaker 6: Yeah, pretty bad. I mean, to me, in that situation, it seems like you'd be saying, well, hurry up and get it over with. instead of appealing it and appealing it and appealing it and stretching it out and delaying the inevitable.
01:17:18
Speaker 5: Yeah, because they said when she was on the deathbed and it wasn't going in her, she didn't know it, but it wasn't going in her vein, at some point she kept asking them, is it supposed to feel like this? Because it was going in her body. I mean, that's torture in itself, and it's a cruel and unusual punishment, which the Constitution is against.
01:17:38
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:17:40
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just wanted to get my point across. I thought, why are we, the taxpayers, paying for life support or all this medical stuff for somebody that we're ultimately trying to kill?
01:17:51
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true.
01:17:54
Speaker 9: Go ahead, Tina.
01:17:56
Speaker 2: Well, no, I'm just saying that because of what the law says, and the law only goes so far, and if you go past that, then you're... you know, breaking a law. So it's, it's, it's complicated. It's complicated. I wish it were simpler, but like I was saying, there's no, there, there's no, uh, either way this thing goes, it's, it's going to be controversial. There's no winners in this.
01:18:23
Speaker 6: Um, none whatsoever. I do see a movie. I do see a movie coming in the upcoming years.
01:18:28
Speaker 4: What do you guys think?
01:18:29
Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
01:18:30
Speaker 5: I never thought about that.
01:18:33
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:18:34
Speaker 3: I bet there is too.
01:18:34
Speaker 5: You know, one thing is that Rick, As long as she's alive, you know, I mean, there are people, including the victim's family, who just want it over and want her gone so they can feel justice. But as long as she's alive. there is an opportunity for some internal rehabilitation. You know what I mean? For her to get right in herself, which a lot of people say she already has. She has been contrite. She has asked for forgiveness. She has, you know, been remorseful. But, like you said, and like Tina said, I don't know how anybody comes out of this and says, you know, I'm a winner in this.
01:19:20
Speaker 9: Mm-mm.
01:19:21
Speaker 6: It's going to be a tight environment.
01:19:23
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, Rick. I appreciate it.
01:19:27
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:19:27
Speaker 5: Thank you.
01:19:28
Speaker 2: Hey, did you all hear that? Eric, I know James and I were talking about it. Did you hear the.
01:19:35
Speaker 2: Uh, former televangelist, a superstar. I mean, beyond superstardom, uh, Jim and Tammy Faye, Jim Baker passed away.
01:19:43
Speaker 4: I did.
01:19:44
Speaker 3: He was, uh, wasn't he 86? I think something like that. 86 years old.
01:19:50
Speaker 5: What was it?
01:19:52
Speaker 3: Eric? 86, 86, 86 years old. Uh, um, he and Tammy Faye were, were huge on TV for years.
01:19:59
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:20:00
Speaker 3: For years they were on television. Yeah. And, uh, I heard about that. His immediate cause of death. They, they determined what that was or was it just, I don't know what it was, but he.
01:20:08
Speaker 5: Had, he'd been sick for a while. He had a stroke. Um, I want to say he had a stroke a while back, you know, um, more than a year ago. It might've been a couple. Um, but he, he, he's been recovering from that since then. And, um, He was off the air.
01:20:28
Speaker 3: For a long time.
01:20:30
Speaker 2: He had some prison time he had to serve.
01:20:33
Speaker 3: He did. I remember that.
01:20:35
Speaker 5: But he came back and he came back to you and he was an on air personality, you know, with with his show. And so he got past that. He got out of prison. He remarried and, you know, he got his ministry going again. But what I'm saying within the last couple of years, he had a stroke a couple of years or so. Yeah, the stroke.
01:20:56
Speaker 2: They said he'd been in hospice care.
01:20:58
Speaker 3: Okay, hospice care, yeah.
01:20:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, most recently in hospice for whatever. But yeah, they, you know, my late mother could not get enough of them. She loved Jim and Tammy Faye.
01:21:11
Speaker 3: I had some family members who did too.
01:21:12
Speaker 2: And I never, I was like, what is it? Oh, they're just so nice. I know somebody who met.
01:21:19
Speaker 3: Tammy Faye and said in person she was so kind and wonderful. And a small woman. Very, very, what did they say, slight at the time? And even with her makeup, they said in person she was pretty attractive in person.
01:21:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I just couldn't take anybody seriously with that much makeup.
01:21:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, the makeup was pretty heavy.
01:21:39
Speaker 5: Even though he went to prison for what he did, for taking contributions and using them personally.
01:21:45
Speaker 2: Hundreds of millions.
01:21:47
Speaker 3: Hundreds of millions.
01:21:47
Speaker 2: Hundreds of millions of contributions.
01:21:51
Speaker 5: I think he was one of the original people ministries, or he headed one of the original ministries of the evangelistic, what we call the modern-day evangelistic movement that is cross-cultural. His church was the first one to really kind of try to integrate different races into a worship setting. And, you know, out of him came others, you know, that we have, that we see today. But his was in, they were based in Carolina. And, you know, I think it was a PTL network.
01:22:32
Speaker 1: Yes, PTL.
01:22:32
Speaker 3: Praise the Lord.
01:22:33
Speaker 2: Praise the Lord.
01:22:35
Speaker 6: Yeah.
01:22:36
Speaker 5: Yeah. And they really started this movement of these mega churches with all the races.
01:22:43
Speaker 2: The prosperity preacher.
01:22:45
Speaker 3: Prosperity gospel.
01:22:46
Speaker 2: I mean, that didn't just start with them, but I think they took it to levels. I mean, because you can look all the way back in time.
01:22:53
Speaker 5: National and international.
01:22:55
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:22:55
Speaker 2: They took advantage of television and the power of TV, the power of. Of media more so and just did very well with it.
01:23:05
Speaker 3: A lot of followers.
01:23:07
Speaker 5: It may have started with others. You're right. Prosperity Gospel did not start with them, and they took it to another level. But my point is that their church was multicultural, and that is what he– That is why your mother was so enthralled. I mean, my mother was too. I mean, because he reached out to try to bring in other races. Remember, Martin Luther King Jr. is the one who said 11 o'clock Sunday morning, most segregated hour in America. In a lot of ways, it still is. But I think he tried to buck that trend despite all of his deficiencies and, you know, his shortcomings, because he stole for his personal gain money offerings that came in to his ministry. Yeah, yeah.
01:24:04
Speaker 2: Some of the excesses were, it was just hard to believe. But you know what, that's also a cautionary tale about, you know, unchecked, you know, when there's no accountability or what have you. And I think that they also, with the Jim and Tammy Baker scandal ushered in somewhat more of a system of checks and balances on some of those types of ministries just because so much of it was, you know, unchecked. But, yeah, his heart, you're right, his heart was one that a lot of people fell in love with. A lot of people did. And so there, yeah, it's sad. It's sad.
01:24:48
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:24:49
Speaker 3: Our family, we had a family reunion. I know they founded the, constructed the Heritage USA.
01:24:56
Speaker 5: And our family had.
01:24:57
Speaker 3: A reunion there, I forget how many years, a number of years ago. And that was one of many. Because normally on my dad's side, they'd have a reunion every two years in different parts of the country where family was located. And that was one of the locations, that theme park.
01:25:13
Speaker 5: Heritage USA.
01:25:15
Speaker 2: So rest in peace, Jim Baker. We are going to take a quick break right here and be right back with Jennifer Norton, attorney and owner of Norton Estate Planning Family. Elder Law.
01:25:30
Speaker 5: Elder Law.
01:25:31
Speaker 2: We'll be right back.
01:25:40
Speaker 1: Let's get back to the conversation. It's Community Connection with Tina Cosby from the Praise Indie IndieGo Studios on Praise AM 1310, 95.1 FM.
01:25:53
Speaker 2: And we are back. We're back. We have a guest.
01:25:58
Speaker 5: Don't we? Oh, yes, we do.
01:26:00
Speaker 3: We do.
01:26:01
Speaker 2: James Patterson and Eric Garnett.
01:26:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of you ought to call me.
01:26:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, Halverson was here yesterday. Yeah, Eric Halverson. And you know what? I didn't get it confused yesterday, and today I'm saying Eric Halverson. I had it straight yesterday, I tell you. But our guest is Jennifer Norton. She is an attorney. She is the owner of Norton Estate Planning and Elder Law. And she is here with us to give us some guidance on a whole lot of stuff. I can't I don't even know where to begin. Attorney Norton, welcome to the show. How are you today?
01:26:33
Speaker 8: I am doing well. Thank you for asking. And thank you for having me.
01:26:37
Speaker 2: Thank you. So estate planning and elder law. the graying of America, so to speak, with more than 70 million baby boomers. I think the last stat was more than 70 million either approaching age 62 or having reached age 62 and beyond. And these are just a lot of the issues that that particular population should pay attention to, as well as their families and significant others, is that fair to say?
01:27:12
Speaker 9: Absolutely.
01:27:12
Speaker 8: People are living longer, but not necessarily living better. And so what can you do to proactively prepare your family members and yourself, as well as to protect whatever legacy or lasting memory that you want them to receive? Estate planning plays a vital role in that, getting those documents legally in place. We love informal conversations and You know, I jotted it down on my nightstand, but, you know, it's very important that we, you know, document it legally so that we can truly execute your wishes.
01:27:46
Speaker 2: So what happens if it's not done legally?
01:27:49
Speaker 8: Well, you know, the family is typically in a tailspin because, you know, someone always says, Mama told me this and Daddy told me that. And, you know, to spare our children, sometimes we do tell them half-truths. so that they can feel good and not feel slighted if they're not going to be the chosen person. But what typically happens when you do these informal conversations, it's usually one-offs.
01:28:20
Speaker 5: We're not doing.
01:28:21
Speaker 8: Them in the aspect of it being like a family meeting so everyone hears the same message at the same time. You have that telephone aspect. Y'all remember that game where you tell someone at the front of the line and you go to the back of the line to see if the message was consistent? It never is. And that's kind of what happens with families when we do things where we have these conversations specific conversations with individuals. And then sometimes we even, oh, you know, I jotted it down or I got it notarized. And you can't just assume that in each state the rules are the same. So some documents, like a lot of people say, well, I went and got a will and I got it notarized. Well, Indiana doesn't require that. Indiana requires two disinterested witnesses to sign the will and And they want you to sign twice. And so because of that, you know, a notarization does not, will not fulfill that. So, you know, then we're left with the state statute and we can't carry out the true intentions of the person because they thought, oh, I'm just going to get a notarization. Well, notaries don't, they only verify the person. They don't really provide validity to the actual documents. And so that's where, you know, you can't just assume because then we will end up, unfortunately, sometimes doing the exact opposite of what you really wanted.
01:29:40
Speaker 6: James?
01:29:43
Speaker 5: Attorney Norton, yeah, thank you for being here. Let me ask you a question. What would be included, what of a person's ownership would be included in In family and estate planning, were they to do this, of course, before they pass away?
01:30:01
Speaker 8: Great question, because everyone thinks that the word estate is this whole lofty situation where I have to have millions of dollars or hundreds of thousands of dollars. Your estate can consist of a simple bank account, a car, and if you have a house or life insurance, even if you have an apartment, that's still your estate because You have assets in it. You have your stuff. You have things that are important to you, whether it's sentimental items or financial items, like sometimes people.
01:30:29
Speaker 5: Have coins and jewelry or, you know.
01:30:32
Speaker 8: Those items that have a financial value. All of that, when a death occurs, has to be able to transfer into your intended beneficiary's ownership. And if you do nothing, you're left with the state statutes. And, you know, people think, especially married people in this state, believe that if I die, all of my assets go to my spouse, but not in Indiana. When you die in Indiana, if you're married and your name is not jointly on the account or listed as a beneficiary, the law gives 50% to the spouse and 50% to the children. So when it comes to your estate, it is virtually and literally everything that you own is whether it has a financial value or not, that is an asset of your estate that then needs to get to whomever it is that you are intending.
01:31:22
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, good answer. My second question is, if a person writes out a statement and has it notarized, say, without an attorney involved. And this is not saying, you know, of course, we want people to check with people like Attorney Jennifer Norton of Norton Estate Planning and Elder Law firm. But let's just say, you know, you've got a friend, they're getting up in age, they write out a statement, have it notarized. Is there any place, entity, office, where they can put that on file that the Indiana, the state of Indiana would recognize that as that person's will.
01:32:05
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no.
01:32:07
Speaker 8: There's one, they won't recognize it too. There's nowhere that you can produce it so that they could recognize it. The only time a statement that's notarized and in writing could ever potentially be recognized is if a person pursued trust-based estate planning. If someone has like a revocable living trust, typically those documents, will identify that I may leave a separate memo providing additional instruction. And so in that situation, it does lay out the formalities that have to be followed in order for the trustee who runs the trust to incorporate those, that separate memorandum or those separate wishes. When you do a will-based estate plan, there is one short little paragraph that says, I may leave a memo to distribute personal effects. Like, Who gets the photo album? Who gets the cookbooks? Who gets my jewelry? Who gets the car? And that typically can be in a separate document, but it has to be acknowledged in a legitimately drafted will, right? And like I said, the will doesn't require a notary in Indiana. It requires the two signatures. And typically after a certain resuscitation that says I'm over the age of 18, I haven't You know, I'm not under, you know, I have all my faculties. I'm in my right mind. We're all the witnesses and us are all signing in the presence of each other. I haven't been coerced. So you have to have certain formal language to accompany those signatures. But yeah, that notarization, I think we just really need to not place that much weight on it. I don't know where this stereotype, you know, came about where people think I can just, say what I want and get it notarized and that's the law of the land. We have to really let that go.
01:33:54
Speaker 5: What's involved in a trust? Do you need an attorney for that? And where would that be filed if you did get a trust so that the state could get access to it after you're passed on?
01:34:07
Speaker 8: Okay, so great question. So do you need an attorney for anything? The answer is no.
01:34:11
Speaker 10: Okay.
01:34:12
Speaker 8: Is it prudent to get one?
01:34:14
Speaker 5: Absolutely. Absolutely.
01:34:15
Speaker 8: Because there's so many pitfalls.
01:34:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was going to.
01:34:18
Speaker 7: Be my question.
01:34:19
Speaker 5: Right.
01:34:20
Speaker 8: There's so many pitfalls that you can fall into. For instance, most people want to avoid probate. What people fail to recognize is that all will go through probate. Because remember, I said earlier that the state statute has your next of kin, which is typically someone has to be related by blood to inherit your estate if you fail to do planning. So if you wanted to include someone that was not related by blood, like, say, a charitable organization, a church, a godchild, a best friend, or someone who is not related by blood, you have to put together a separate document, either through a will or trust, to accomplish that. The thing of it is, though, when a death occurs, then... If you did a will-based plan, all wills go through probate because you're telling the judge in the probate court, don't follow the state statute. I have decided to include all of these other people, entities, organizations in my plan, and here are the rules. And so what people miss is that the will always goes through probate because if you're doing a deviation, then the state's law is default. A trust It's also a set of instructions like a will, but people assume it avoids probate, but I'm here to tell you it can avoid probate, not will. The piece that you're missing when you're talking to your social, when you're on with your Facebook philosophers and your TikTok teachers and your Instagram instructors, what you guys are all missing that they're not saying, and this is where the professional plays a part, is you can get a document. and put instructions in it and call it a trust because that's all it is. And the trust has to be notarized, of course, and it has to have certain formalities, right? And then what you have to do is what the Internet does not provide you with, the most important part is you have to go take the name of that document because you can call the trust whatever you want. I can call it the Red Desk Living Trust. I can call it the Jennifer Norton Living Trust. I can call it the Meridian Street Living Trust. You can call it whatever you want. But you have to take that name and place it on all of your accounts because then the instructions can control either that account through the ownership or the beneficiary. And that's how you stay out of court because the court says with trust, we don't get involved if you essentially are creating a contractual relationship. between the document and the institution. So when I do the trust, if I have life insurance, I'm going to make the beneficiary on the policy the trust because I want my rules to control those funds when I die and the proceeds are paid out, I want to follow my rules. But when you do a trust, you still get a will. But it's known as a pour over will because the will no longer identifies specific beneficiaries. All it says is I did a trust. So if someone say like my, I didn't know my third, my cousin who's 30th removed, she died, had no children and somehow she made me the beneficiary, but I didn't know that. And so because I didn't know, I couldn't tell her to put my trust on as the beneficiary. So my name is there. And so my will, the will goes to get anything that is left in my name or in the, you know, the name of my estate, which is just my name. It says, go get that asset that my cousin left to me. But then the will says, but pour it over to my trust because that's where all my instructions are. But remember, I said all wills go through probate. And so when people do trust, that's how they miss that trust will go through probate if you don't retitle every account to either coordinate with that trust name to create the contract or– Say you just said, oh, I want that policy to go directly to my cousin or my godchild. You could put them directly on that account as the beneficiary. But what you don't want to happen is if you leave something solely in your name or you receive something solely in your name with a trust-based estate plan and the will has to go get it, it pulls the estate into probate. And so, yes, a trust should be private if you set up that contractual relationship. But if you don't, that's why trust, and they don't say this on the Internet, is that trust Most people that I know, now not my clients, but most people I know that have trust-based plans will end up going through probate because most firms will only do the deed to your house. They'll put your house into the name of your trust. But they'll give you a list of instructions for you to do everything else because most of the public will say, well, why don't you do it? And they'll say, okay, yeah, I'm going to press start on my billable hour clock and you can pay me hourly and I'll help you with every account, every policy. And people say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Just give me those instructions.
01:39:19
Speaker 5: I'll do it myself.
01:39:20
Speaker 8: And so that's where you find this disconnect that it doesn't always get done or people refinance. And so something may want to be in trust and you took it out to do a financial transaction, but did you remember to put it back in? And so that's where, you know, I know that's a long-winded story to tell you the basic, you know, the premise is, yes, you can do it yourself, but if you have specific goals and things, You want to make sure you work with a professional so you can understand the full story and the steps necessary to achieve that goal.
01:39:52
Speaker 2: Got it. So in what respects would you not recommend someone putting something in, you know, creating a will? Because a will is not for everyone, right? I mean, or is it? I don't know. Should there always be a will or a trust?
01:40:07
Speaker 8: Great question. So, okay, I would say... And my colleagues may shoot me and not agree, but that's okay. We can agree, disagree to disagree. But yeah, there are situations where people don't need a will. So say someone says, I have one child and they have three children, but they're not married. Well, the law already says, if you die without a will, I'm going to leave to your one child. And if that child dies, I'm going to leave to those three children. So in that situation, you might say, well, what do I need a will for? I could just go put beneficiaries directly on my account to have my child as a primary and and then the grandchildren as a contingent. But if you come and tell me that your child is married, then I would say, well, you might want to do a will because remember in Indiana law, I said if your child dies and they're married, the law will leave 50% to the spouse and 50% to the grandkids. So if you only wanted your money to go to your grandkids, you would need your will to say that if I die or if my child dies or predeceases me, I want my funds to go directly to the grandkids, not their spouse. I don't want 50% of my money going to their spouse. So there are circumstances when you can get by without a will. And then the last little scenario I'll tell you is if you say you have one child and they have no children, a lot of people say, well... I don't think I need a will. I only got one child. But what if that child dies? Their next in line kin would be who? Their father.
01:41:42
Speaker 5: So if you.
01:41:43
Speaker 8: Don't like your ex or you don't like their father, then you would want to make sure you do a will because even though they don't have any children, you might not like who their next of kin is.
01:41:58
Speaker 2: So the affordability is also an issue with people when it comes to situations like that. How can people maximize affordability with the professionalism that they're going to need, per se, perhaps from a firm like yours?
01:42:19
Speaker 8: Great question. So I think that when it comes to affordability, I think we just need to have a little bit more discernment in our hiring. And what I mean by that is sometimes All attorneys are not created equal, and I think the public would 1,000% agree with that. And so how do you hire the person that you believe is the most competent to help you achieve your goals? One of the things that I try to advise the public to do is don't only focus on what can they do today. Ask them questions about when a death has occurred. Have you administered this? Because a lot of times what I tell my team is, It's very important to see the back end of how this plays out because it will empower you to be a better counselor proactively when they're doing their planning because everybody wants to see with rose-colored glasses. And so it's our job as a professional to play devil's advocate to say, okay, well, what if everything doesn't go as we intend? And so in that situation, when you're hiring a person, if you're getting a trust-based estate plan, if you believe that trust should avoid probate, then you should ask the attorney, well, how many of your trusts have gone through probate? How do you help your clients avoid probate with the trust? If you're getting a will and you know wills go through probate, you need to be asking the attorney, I understand wills go through probate.
01:43:51
Speaker 11: How can you help my.
01:43:52
Speaker 8: Family avoid probate if that's one of my goals? And they should be saying, Well, let's think about putting beneficiaries directly on your account so that the will isn't necessarily needed at your desk. It's just a backup if something should come into play later. And how do you do the affordability piece? Again, is, you know, a lot of estate planning attorneys are flat fee now. So you, again, when you're doing your hiring, you need to make sure you're comparing apples to apples. So like when you go to a trust attorney and, Like myself, the difference between us is our firm, we're going to help you retitle every asset that you have and verify that it's in your trust. You need to be asking if you're going to another attorney, and yes, they may be charging less, but they may be doing less. And so you've got to make sure you understand, well, what am I getting for this fee? If Jennifer's charging this amount, She says she's doing this. She's going to prepare the documents. She's going to recital the documents. We're going to have a family meeting within two years of our clients getting the plan. What are you doing for your fee? So that way you're not penalizing me for charging you more, but I'm giving you more to achieve your goal as opposed to someone down the street says, oh, you said you wanted it. You know, they're treating you like Burger King. You said you wanted a wheel. I gave you a wheel. You left with a wheel and all is right with the world. So you have to, if you want counseling, then you have to be receptive of the fact that you may have to, you may get a free consultation, but you may have to pay for that counseling. And like I said, most people are flat fee. So you just have to make sure, am I comfortable that, the counseling that I'm getting is a fee that I'm willing to accept. And then there are a lot of firms like mine.
01:45:28
Speaker 9: I don't know.
01:45:29
Speaker 8: Well, I don't want to put it out there in the world, but we do payment plans and stuff. So we try to make it digestible and affordable.
01:45:34
Speaker 5: So have you.
01:45:35
Speaker 8: Asked that firm? I really like you. It sounds like you can deliver what I need. Do you have a payment plan option for me?
01:45:43
Speaker 2: Attorney Norton, we are almost out of time, but we do have a caller that has a question. If we can get it in very quickly, let's go ahead and do that. Kevin, very quickly, your question.
01:45:54
Speaker 5: Hey, how you doing, Jennifer? This is Kevin.
01:45:56
Speaker 8: Hi, nice to meet you.
01:45:58
Speaker 6: Hey, two questions.
01:46:00
Speaker 13: One is, could you let us know what's the difference between revocable and irrevocable drugs? And then another was a comment. Me and my wife had sat down, which we actually got our trust through you, and there's a lot of things I didn't realize entailed in that, and it was like in the life planning. So if you can touch on that.
01:46:16
Speaker 5: A little bit.
01:46:17
Speaker 2: Well, within the time we have, okay? Thank you, Kevin.
01:46:20
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to go back.
01:46:21
Speaker 5: Okay, go ahead.
01:46:22
Speaker 8: Thank you, Jennifer. So for revocable versus irrevocable, revocable and the trustee, you are the boss. You can manage your own affairs. When you do irrevocable, however, you don't. You only get to set the terms one time. You don't get to be in charge of the money management moving forward, even though you already set the rules. And so you have to ask permission of someone you trust to serve as the trustee. And then, so the difference between the two is a control factor. And again, we can dive in deeper if y'all want to have me come back. In the life planning, I think a lot of times people, you're correct, they're so focused on the actual inheritance piece. I think the other piece that people need to focus on, one, is... You know, what does that home going services look like? We're trying to get rid of these GoFundMe's and people not being prepared. And so what can what can you do as an individual is one, you can you can nominate who makes decisions at the funeral home. We don't need any more fights about what mom and dad and grandma want from a service standpoint. And it's called a funeral declaration to what services do you want? Funeral, cremation, certain hymns and scriptures. Start laying out your life accomplishments, the organizations you are a part of. Do you want, you know, donations in lieu of flowers? So instead of life planning, there's a lot of drama that's there that can be avoided if we're just a little bit proactive. And then don't forget about the stuff. Again, those special items. Your people are going to lie and say that I don't want anything. you know, have those conversations about is there any item that you want as a memory?
01:47:56
Speaker 2: Your firm and the contact info for folks that want to know more. And we certainly would like to have you back. Go ahead, your firm and your contact info.
01:48:04
Speaker 8: Norton Estate Planning, the elder law firm. Our phone number is 317-572-8696. And you can find us on all forms of social media under estate-planners.org.
01:48:19
Speaker 2: Jennifer Norton. attorney. Thank you so, so very much. A lot of good stuff. I hope you guys got all that in. Thank you for being here. That's all the time we have. We are running short. William Moore jr.
01:48:32
Speaker 8: Is up next.
01:48:32
Speaker 2: We'll talk to you tomorrow.
Speaker 1: WTLC-AM, W236-CR, Indianapolis. Broadcasting from the Praise Indy Indigo Studios. Discussing the issues that matter to you. It's Community Connection with Tina Cosby on Praise AM 1310, 95.1 FM.
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Speaker 2: And good afternoon and welcome to Community Connection. I'm Tina Cosby. Today is Wednesday, October the 7th, 317-480-1310, 317-3177. 480-1310 is the number to the show today. And on the show today, what is estate planning and who should be doing it and when? That's a term a lot of people throw around. It makes you wonder, though, Eric, do folks really know what it is?
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Speaker 3: That's a good question. You hear a lot about it, but what does it mean? What does it do? What's it about?
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Speaker 2: Well, those are just a few of the questions we're going to have answered this afternoon in our second hour of the show when attorney Jennifer Norton joins us. Again, that's coming up in our second hour. Before that, plenty of open lines for whatever may be on your mind.
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Speaker 4: 317-480-1310.
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Speaker 5: 317-480-1310.
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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and bring in our contributing analyst, James Patterson. James, welcome back into the fold. How are you? And he's somewhere.
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Speaker 3: There he is.
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Speaker 5: Oh, I'm doing so good, Tina.
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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: What had happened?
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Speaker 3: What had happened was your producer hadn't pressed the button yet.
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Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
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Speaker 3: James was ready.
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Speaker 2: James was ready.
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Speaker 3: He was ready. Your producer was... And you're doing something else with the camera.
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Speaker 2: It's all good. It's all good.
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Speaker 5: Yeah. I wasn't ready, Freddie. I was ready, James.
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Speaker 3: Ready, James.
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Speaker 5: Ready, James. Indeed.
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Speaker 6: Indeed.
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Speaker 3: That's the truth.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So we're going to have the lines open for most of the show except for the last 30 minutes or so. And I think that's an important conversation we need to get in as well, especially with the quote-unquote graying of America with that huge baby boomers population, I think 73 million. either at or soon to be turning 62 years old. That's a whole lot of folks in that stage, in that chapter of their lives, and these things become more and more important. So there we have that. 317-480-1310, 317-480-1310. James, let's start with the weather. What do you think?
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Speaker 5: Well, I just think it's simply going to be gorgeous today.
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Speaker 7: Okay.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: As you can see, if you've been outside for any time today at all.
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Speaker 2: Any amount of time at all, okay.
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Speaker 5: Never mind, Tina. You got windows down there where you're at?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got windows.
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Speaker 3: Plenty of them. Plenty of windows.
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Speaker 2: We got windows, and I am loving, loving, loving, loving, loving it all. Yes, we got windows.
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Speaker 3: And, James, I actually, Tina, I had lunch outside today.
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Speaker 2: Oh, you did?
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Speaker 3: In the courtyard.
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Speaker 2: Oh, in the courtyard?
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Very nice.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 5: What an experience.
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Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 3: I got some vitamin D and had a really good lunch.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Was anybody back there cooking? We got an outdoor kitchen in our courtyard.
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Speaker 3: That's true. Not at the time. There were a couple people that came out later, engineering, setting up something. I think an event is going to be happening back there. Speakers, that kind of thing being set up, so.
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Speaker 5: It was good. Hey, yeah. I haven't been in that courtyard yet, Eric. Any trees or birds or anything?
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Speaker 3: There are trees back there. There's greenery, and it's very nice.
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Speaker 2: Nice green space.
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Speaker 3: Nice green space. Secure and everything. You'll have to check it out, James. You'll like it.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm looking forward to that because today is going to be another spectacular day.
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Speaker 6: Another one.
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Speaker 5: Absolutely. like third one in a row where we've got almost completely clear skies. We don't see any clouds yet. We don't expect to see any clouds. Sunshine and blue skies are the majority today.
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Speaker 2: Severe clear, as they call it. Severe clear.
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Speaker 5: Severe clear, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that neat to be able to look up and see the skies?
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Speaker 5: It is.
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Speaker 3: Just see the sky. Just beautiful blue. Not a thing there. Just beautiful.
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Speaker 5: You know, I mean, the temperatures we've got, you would expect them in really late August, early September, because we're, you know, heading towards the middle 80s. But besides the sunshine and blue skies, we will actually have warmer temperatures in Today, the normal is around 24 or so, but we should do much better than that. But because we've got this warmth, you guys, kind of rising up out of the south, you will feel some breezes sometime. You'll feel some wind gusts, so look out for that today. But otherwise, not much to say about the forecast. It was, except for beautiful sunshine, warm, clear skies. It was 73 degrees as we came on the air today. surpassing our high yesterday of 72 already, and it's just after 1 p.m. Eastern time. We might just reach that 80-degree mark today, so, you know, look out. We'll see. We'll get close, and if we do, we could go into the low 80s, 81, 82, 83, around there. All in all, just a beautiful October day for October 7, 2026. Yes, indeed.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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Speaker 5: Indeed.
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Speaker 2: Well, thank you for that, James. Thank you for that beautiful weather.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the things we always start out, we said we were going to do this every day, and I think we are. A reminder of elections, election deadlines, things of that nature. Yesterday was the first day for early voting in Indianapolis, in Marion County, in the state of Indiana. In the state of Indiana. And I voted yesterday.
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Speaker 3: Oh, you got a chance to do it.
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Speaker 4: Yep.
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Speaker 2: Got the receipts.
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Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 2: Got the receipts right there. I voted. Got in there.
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Speaker 3: Got the receipts.
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Speaker 2: And you know, I actually, it's two. I say receipts.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Oh, you do?
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Speaker 2: I see.
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Speaker 5: You didn't vote twice, though, did you, Tina?
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Speaker 2: Anyway, no, no, I didn't. Well, actually, I've got I've got about 10 of them. They told me to take as many as I wanted to spread around. No, no. Once was enough. I tell you. And I always ask around. And they said one of the longstanding workers down there, I've known her for a number of years. She calls the show sometimes. She calls anonymously, but then she says her name. It's like, okay. Anyway, she's funny. She's a good friend. But anyway, she was saying that when they first opened, there was a line down the sidewalk.
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Speaker 5: Oh, wow. Okay.
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Speaker 2: And I asked her how the norm was. She said that was somewhat unusual for the midterm. She said that's a little unusual. It has happened before, but it hasn't happened for a while.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there's heightened interest this year. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And they also were saying that, you know, they had to really, you know, each other for their breaks and things of that nature before, you know, just kind of casually or leisurely go and use the restroom or take your break or whatever they had to make sure because. They said there yesterday, the first day, a steady risk stream, you know, just really, really good flow, steady. And the numbers were great. I don't know what they were totally, but, you know, certainly very, very good. And they were not ever they didn't have any downtime. I put it that way.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: That's good to hear.
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Speaker 5: And I'm glad that you voted because I wanted to comment on that. I mean, I think. What is, yesterday was the sixth, right? First day of early voting. And Tina Cosby works downtown, as most people know. Eric Garnet, or it's too early to say that. Eric Garnet works downtown.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Eric Garnet works downtown.
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Speaker 5: So you guys have, proximity-wise, you have access, fairly close access to Marion County, a county of more than one million or right around one million people, it's only voting sites. That's not true in surrounding counties. as early voting starts in Indiana, because the legislature allows counties to do that on October 6th or first Tuesday in October. And we have the biggest population county-wise in the state, but we only have one place to vote until October 24th. October 24th, yeah.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: And so to me, That's voter suppression. That's my comment. Yeah, it's voter suppression.
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Speaker 2: It absolutely is, James. I mean, what else could it be? What else could it be? I'm thinking. Okay, you're thinking.
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Speaker 5: You're thinking. But I mean, you know, this is a huge county. I don't know how many square miles, a bunch.
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Speaker 3: Oh, a bunch, a bunch, right.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, if you live, you know, way out in the east or way north or way south or way west, You know, you might not even come downtown. So come on now. This is a county. We need to do better than that and open up these these voter opportunities.
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Speaker 2: Well, I tell you what, if you ever wondered if it was targeted or not, we also are a heavily Democratic county. And we also are a county that is now, and as of the last few years, a majority minority county, roughly 30 percent black. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO Latino, and the other box make up the remaining 20%, 21. I think it's, the last I checked, and Dion and I were looking at this, I think it's a total, 51 and some change percentage minority. So we are officially a majority minority county. So if you think that these measures are not targeted toward us, if you will, the numbers don't lie.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 5: Go ahead, Eric.
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Speaker 3: No, James, go ahead. I was just saying, yeah, the numbers speak louder.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, we have the numbers. I was just going to say that the last time I knew about how that works and how it was governed, it may have changed, and I need to look it up. But the Marion County Election Board was made up, when I knew Tina, when I was reporting especially, of two Democrats and two Republicans. And by design... Because it was then not in control of minorities. You couldn't make changes in voter sites without them. And unless they agreed, it couldn't be two against two. There's always two Republicans on there and two Democrats. And if it's two against two, the change doesn't go through. So they have an automatic veto, although it's, like you said, a majority-minority county vote. So the rules need to be changed since it is a minority county so that we open up not to anyone's advantage, minorities, majorities, or anybody else, but certainly not minorities, but not to their advantage, but... If they are in control, if they are the majority, then they ought to be able to change the rules so that there are more opportunities earlier to vote in a wider area. Yeah. You guys get what I'm saying?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. And I was just talking to my father who lives in southern Indiana. And then, you know, little old Jefferson County has more places than Marion County does these first few days. He said that there are three. the courthouse, and two other places. Now, one place he said is only open on Tuesdays and Thursdays right now. They'll open more. But at least they're open. I mean, there's at least three locations in that sparsely populated. Madison, Jefferson County might have 13,000, 15,000 people total.
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Speaker 3: And Tina, you might remember.
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Speaker 2: And they've got three places to early vote.
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Speaker 3: I saw a story, was it last week I mentioned on the air, there's 30,000 people. here in downtown Indianapolis alone.
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Speaker 2: No, I didn't hear that.
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Speaker 3: 30,000 people.
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Speaker 5: Oh, my goodness.
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Speaker 3: 30,000 in downtown, I think, that live in downtown.
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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, which is our one site at the city-county building. Downtown is good for them, mostly, you know, some of them. I mean, they've got schedules and stuff. Some of them may work nights or evenings and sleep all day or have to sleep all day and can't go there, but At least it's accessible, you know, if they get a day off or something. But for the rest of the, you know, 900 plus thousand residents of Marion County, it isn't. It's not. It's not a good setup. It's just not.
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Speaker 2: And, you know, I being, you know, having worked downtown for so many years, there's a strategy to even going to the city county building. And, you know, as I was saying yesterday, Eric, after work, I knew all the traffic was leaving town.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Downtown.
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Speaker 2: So parking was not an issue. I found a park as soon as I pulled up right there, right there in front of this.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: In front of the city county building. Now, I will say that I thought I was going to have to wait for a machine because the room, you know, when you go to the clerk's office down there, if you've been down there before, there's there's a room and there's probably several stations with the computers there. And the last couple of times I voted, you know, the the host or whoever, I don't know who it was. go ahead and pick whatever one you want. And I kind of had to stand and wait for somebody to walk away from one to get one, which means voting was, you know, risk. It was busy. There were people, I didn't have to wait long. I mean, it was literally a matter of seconds. It wasn't even a whole minute. But the fact that the stations were occupied, you know, was a good thing. You know, it was a good sign. And kind of like some of the stories that we've been hearing about the hornet's nest being stirred up, You try to take things away from folks. Folks are going to get upset and say, uh-uh, no. Oh, you're going to take it? Well, I'll go do it anyway just because you're trying to take it away from me. And I don't know how much of that is at play. But if folks think that they're not going to be allowed to vote or whatever, they'll find a way to get downtown. It shouldn't be that way. But what fuels it is don't try to tell me this is because you are only giving me one place to vote. that you can keep me from voting, I'll go there, I'll go. And that's kind of, again, I may be just over, I may be exaggerating and maybe not, but it didn't feel like there were people down there that were like, hey, this is inconvenient or whatever. They felt like folks were very intentional. I'm voting and I'm voting early and I'm voting right here. And so we had a caller yesterday I found out, though, she was talking about it was a candidate for office paying for parking spots for people. So I couldn't have taken the free parking anyway. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: OK.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that might be.
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Speaker 2: When she said the name. I'm like, oh, that sounds you know, I didn't know she was. And then I'm like, I got down there and I said, oh, that's who's paying for the parking spot. And they can do that.
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Speaker 5: But I just couldn't accept it. But it's good that you were in walking proximity, and I don't know if you walked or drove part of the way or whatever.
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Speaker 2: I was right in front of the city. I was there at the city-county building. I literally parked at the city-county building.
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Speaker 5: Okay, because there are, according to the rules that I read online, four, four, one, two, three, four, count them, free parking spaces for voters to, to come to the city-county building beginning yesterday, October 6th. Oh, that's nice. And by the way, yeah, and four, yeah. And by the way, although there's pretty good parking down there anyway, you know, downtown. And by the way, what you just said kind of parallels what I think you mentioned on the show, I know you have recently, about Texas. And I believe it was Tarrant County, Fort Wayne area, where they took away a bunch of voting sites. And you were like, that's just going to motivate people, which it has. And I think that same thing is what you were just saying is going to happen here. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Hey, we have a caller, Mr. Frank, who just came back from voting, wants to talk to us.
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Speaker 5: Mr.
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Speaker 2: Frank, how are you doing?
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Speaker 9: I'm doing great now. I just came back from voting. How are you doing, Mr.
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Speaker 4: James?
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Speaker 5: Hey, Mr. Frank, it's good to hear your voice. I'm glad you voted.
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Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 9: I wouldn't miss it for nothing in the world. And you were right about the free parking. They did have free parking there for voters.
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Speaker 2: Oh, that's great. Yeah. The free parking spot and spots. And then what our caller was saying, in addition to those, there was a person down there paying for parking for others as well.
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Speaker 4: So.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, parking is okay. Cool. I love it. Love it, love it, love it.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, that was a good thing right there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, parking was not an issue.
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Speaker 9: Well, that's all I wanted to let you know that.
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Speaker 2: I've done it. So, Frank, what was.
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Speaker 5: What motivated you? Yeah, why'd you go, man? Tell us.
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Speaker 9: Why did I go?
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: No, why'd you go maybe early? Because I know you vote.
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Speaker 9: Oh, I vote early. I vote early all the time because I don't want to miss the good days and good weather.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 9: You know, so you're going into October and November, you ain't even telling what kind of, what days the weather is going to be like. So I go because of the good days.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: What was it? Were there a lot of people there?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, a lot of people. Yeah.
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Speaker 5: What was it like? That's the thing for it. Yes, it was.
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Speaker 9: There was a lot of Mexicans in that, too.
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Speaker 5: Well, this time, it's like, this time, they're saying, you ain't tricking me this time.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, that's what I thought, too. You know, when I seen a lot of Mexicans going in there, I said, uh-oh. I said, they up on it now.
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Speaker 2: Wow, wow. All righty.
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Speaker 9: That's all I wanted to, you know, I just called in to let you know and maybe I encourage somebody else to do the same thing.
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Speaker 5: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's hope so. Thank you.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, tell everybody this time, please don't sit it out, Mr.
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Speaker 2: Frank. And take somebody with you. That's what you need to do. Take somebody with you because it's a wonderful thing. And yeah, parking, not too much of an issue. And yeah, and the fact that it's paid Those paid spots, people keep it moving, too, because not too many people stay downtown too very long. You're not going to get a hold. So there's movement there, too.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and just like we were talking about the access and the one, like you said, Tina, that's going to motivate people because there's only one. But just for a little background, Tina and Eric, in Hamilton County, Noblesville particularly is in Hamilton. County, so is Westfield, but in Hamilton County, which is not even close to the size of Marion County, Indianapolis, they have two voting centers open beginning October 6, 2026. One is at the Judicial Center, 1 Hamilton Square in Noblesville, opens from 8 a.m. to 4.30 p.m. from October 6th to October 9th, and it opens back up from the 12th to the 16th, same time, 8 to 4.30, and then the 19th and the 23rd, 8 to 4.30. Then they have the Hamilton County Fairgrounds. which is 2003 Pleasant Street in Noblesville. They opened yesterday. So they got two sites, and they're like, I don't know how big they are, but not even close to Indianapolis on the scale. And then they have sites that were open not when we opened our sites on the 24th, but three days before that, October 21st in Westfield, which is in Hamilton County. So they opened yesterday. Three days before Indianapolis, another small city or smaller, Westfield's growing, one of the fastest growing cities, on October 21st and 22nd at Westfield City Hall and also Cool Creek Nature Center in Carmel open on the 21st and also Westfield Washington Township opens on the 21st. So they're opening way before us and they have multiple sites just as an example.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I wonder how we get that changed. You were talking about the makeup, but we've got to get that changed.
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Speaker 3: How was it determined, I wonder?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I need to look that up, folks, Tina and Eric, but I believe that it's still the same. Two Democrats, two Republicans on this election board, this countywide election board. And when I was reporting, if you had two-two tie, there was no change. You couldn't change the current law, or you couldn't make changes when the voting would open. And you've got two Republicans and two Democrats, and the Republicans always oppose when the Democrats are— that has been in the past.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the stonewall, yeah.
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Speaker 5: Yeah. So that's where we're at, I believe.
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Speaker 2: So it's probably a matter of going back and changing— either the formula or the rules.
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Speaker 5: Or the makeup of the board.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the makeup, which is part of the formula.
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Speaker 5: And I don't know, that might be set up by the legislature. I don't know how they've got it.
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Speaker 2: I just wonder, legislatively, I wonder how things might hold up this year. Anyway, it'll be interesting.
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Speaker 5: Well, it's encouraging, Tina, that what you saw and what Frank saw today going there, even though the enthusiasm is high when it first opens, If it continues, it'll be something to watch.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we can only hope. But, yeah, so anyway, for those of you who would like, Ms. Frank made a good point. It is beautiful weather. You know, parking's not a problem. There are free spots down there. There are people that are buying parking spots. And while, you know, while the getting's good, while the weather's good, and if you can, the only thing about downtown is that it's, you know, the only thing, the time is shorter. I mean, it opens at 8 and it closes at 4.30. I think I pulled up right around five minutes after 4 yesterday, so I got there, you know.
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Speaker 3: You were there just before, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I always sit and visit with folks for a little while because I just want to know more things. I just want to know. So if you can work within that time frame, within those boundaries, by all means, please come down. Until we can do better, it's what we got. Until we can do better, it's all we got to work with, which is sad.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Well, we use what we got.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, do the best we can with what we got.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Thank goodness. Yes, thank God. And, oh, my goodness, yes. So, but, well, I think we'll be okay. I think that the enthusiasm is going to hold, good weather or bad. And I think the closer we get to the election, we're all going to be more encouraged, I think so, by the crowd. And, James, I'll never forget when that election that you and your wife stood in line, what was it, eight hours?
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Speaker 4: Seven.
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Speaker 5: Seven and a half.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sorry. Seven and a half.
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Speaker 5: Wow. Yeah, seven hours, 45 minutes, I think it was.
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Speaker 3: That's an entire work day almost.
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Speaker 5: Yeah. And it was a festive society. Obviously, there were other people in line or else we wouldn't have stood in line that long. People brought pizzas and sub sandwiches. And I mean, it was just, you know.
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Speaker 2: That was about five years ago, a little more than five years ago, right?
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Speaker 5: Yeah. And they shared, Tina, they shared. They wanted to encourage people to stay in line. A couple people get out, they couldn't take it, but mostly everybody stayed in and people came. And people brought food, they ordered food, you know, and It was really, really a nice experience that I won't soon forget.
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Speaker 2: Nope, not at all. I was just sharing a little bit of that the other day that we were in, me and my two young adults were in one of those lines down at the CCB. And there were folks with wagons driving, you know, walking around, giving drinks and snacks and food and They were playing music, and you're right, it was a festive atmosphere. And it wasn't D, R, or I's or L's. It was just voting, just the spirit of voting.
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Speaker 5: I think, Eric, this happened at St. Luke's United Methodist.
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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, 86th and Meridian, yeah.
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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, that's where it was. And it was really a sight to see.
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Speaker 2: And you were early voting, weren't you? You and your wife were early voting?
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Speaker 5: Yes, yes.
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Speaker 3: I remember seeing that story, hearing about that, too, Eric.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and St. Luke's at 86th and Meridian will again be an early voting site.
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Speaker 5: It will.
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Speaker 2: And so it goes. But anyway, let's take a quick break. The lines are open, 317-480-1310, 317-480-1310 for whatever's on your mind. We'll get into a couple of things after the break, but hey, whatever is on your mind, give us a call, 317-480-1310.
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Speaker 1: Let's get back to the conversation. It's Community Connection with Tina Cosby from the Praise Indie Indigo Studios on Praise AM 1310, 95.1 FM.
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Speaker 2: And we're back with Community Connection. Let's go to the phone lines, 317-480-1310. Got a couple of things to run past you, but we'll go to the phone lines first. Gloria, go ahead. How are you?
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Speaker 5: Oh, good morning, Tina.
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Speaker 9: How are you?
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Speaker 2: I'm well, thank you.
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Speaker 5: And you?
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Speaker 7: I just wanted to make a personal call because my name is Gloria Jones.
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Speaker 10: I'm a gospel singer. Everybody know me here.
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Speaker 8: But the music that you guys play for, you know, when you do your commercials, it is fabulous.
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Speaker 4: I love it.
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Speaker 6: I love it. I love it.
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Speaker 2: Well, thank you.
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Speaker 8: And dancing to it and, you know, it's wonderful. I just wanted to.
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Speaker 6: Let you know.
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Speaker 5: Well, thank you.
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Speaker 2: You want to know the back story on that?
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Speaker 5: Yes.
00:27:34
Speaker 2: Okay. A lot of people are. We're laughing because it's just funny. How long have we been wrestling with something, Eric, for the last several weeks?
00:27:43
Speaker 3: There have been several weeks we were trying to land on something.
00:27:45
Speaker 2: Trying to figure out and land on, because we had to surrender our other music due to some YouTube restrictions and what have you. So we were trying to come up with something, trying to come up with something, and they... Edmo and Eric, and they were sending me stuff and they kept saying, come on, Tina, what do you think? What do you think? And I was like, I don't know. So I got up, you know, early one morning, I was to, I think I was taking, yeah, I was taking my grandson to school and we were just waiting. I said, hey, I said, come here, I want you to listen to a couple of things. And so I played, you know, I said, you tell me what you think. Cause I literally, I really was stuck. I just couldn't decide. And I played a few. It was four. And I said, tell me one, two, three or four. He said, number two. And I said, OK, I'm going to play. I'm going to play some for you again. And I said, because I think I like number four. He said, no, number two. And I said, OK, I said, we're going to go through it one more time. I said, here comes all four of them. He said, I told you number two. And so then my daughter later, I had her check and she said she liked two and three or something. And she said, but I'm not going to even say what I like because I know what he says is going to go. And I said, well, you know what? I said, I can't choose. He was very different. He was more decisive than both of us. He had his mind. That was his mind out of a five year old. That was his mindset. He said, this is the song. And so I brought it back and I said, hey, Eric, I said, that's what my grandson said. Eric said, cool. You know, I think he and Edmo were just glad we had made a decision, period. And I probably was overanalyzing. Analysis paralysis, I think, is what they call it. Because you just couldn't decide. But thank you. You know, that's probably way too much info. Oh, well, bless your heart. Bless your heart.
00:29:39
Speaker 5: Well, yeah.
00:29:40
Speaker 2: Like I said, that's probably way too much info. But it was just kind of funny because it kind of is the equivalent of just, throwing the cards up in the air and see what comes down, you know? And I just, I just left it to him. You tell me, cause I can't decide.
00:29:54
Speaker 9: That's a good card.
00:29:55
Speaker 8: Good card.
00:29:56
Speaker 5: Keep going.
00:29:56
Speaker 7: I love you guys.
00:29:57
Speaker 2: All right.
00:29:58
Speaker 5: Thank you.
00:29:59
Speaker 2: Thank you. God bless you as well. Thank you very much. True story.
00:30:03
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:30:03
Speaker 2: True story.
00:30:04
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:30:04
Speaker 3: True. Definitely true.
00:30:05
Speaker 2: True story.
00:30:06
Speaker 3: James, did you, did Tina share that with you? Yeah.
00:30:09
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:30:09
Speaker 5: I was here today. Remember you guys asked me, you guys asked me my opinion and I said, yeah.
00:30:15
Speaker 3: I'll go with, uh, That's right, you did. Yeah, you did.
00:30:19
Speaker 5: The little grandson, awesome and amazing, I call him, because that's the word he used when.
00:30:24
Speaker 2: He was much younger.
00:30:25
Speaker 5: You're very kind. He surprised Tina with, oh, this is awesome and amazing. He's like, what was he, Tina, three or whatever?
00:30:31
Speaker 2: Three, he was about three. Yeah, awesome and amazing were the words he used.
00:30:35
Speaker 5: Vocabulary grows exponentially.
00:30:38
Speaker 2: A little bit too much, actually, sometimes, but he's got a vocabulary. But yeah, so anyway, we thank Gloria for that. And I thank you, Eric and Edmo, for all the work you did, you know, putting the choices before me who just simply could not make a decision.
00:30:54
Speaker 3: You're welcome. Our pleasure. Thank you.
00:30:57
Speaker 2: Thank you for all of that. Did you all hear? I got several emails last night. Karen Vaughn sent me one. Some other folks, some other friends, another friend of mine that works at a school sent it to me. But it looks like. IPS, from what I understand and from what we're reading, is looking to renegotiate some of its charter school agreements. Eric and James, are you familiar with that?
00:31:24
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. IPS seeks the power to charge innovation network schools more money amid a budget crunch.
00:31:33
Speaker 9: And this.
00:31:36
Speaker 5: Whole discussion we've been having over the weeks, months, and years is, Why should charter schools get out of paying certain costs that other public schools have to bear? And that falls back on the taxpayer because we're the ones who pay for the schools. But somehow charter schools have been exempt from that. So was that you guys' take on it?
00:32:04
Speaker 7: Yeah.
00:32:04
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:32:05
Speaker 8: Yeah.
00:32:06
Speaker 2: And, you know, that's... Hats off to Dr. Alicia Johnson for, you know, she sent out an extended video last night explaining that basically that IPS wants to close part of its multimillion dollar budget shortfall by getting more cash from its charter partners. And I don't have a problem with that.
00:32:34
Speaker 3: Neither do I.
00:32:34
Speaker 2: I do not have a problem.
00:32:36
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:32:36
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:32:37
Speaker 5: You know, these areas that they want to charge them in are services like transportation, food services, and facility support. I mean, what's wrong with that? Nothing. They have to pay for that regarding other IPS schools. So why can't the charter schools do their part?
00:32:59
Speaker 2: Well, my understanding from some friends at a couple of, I say a couple of charter networks, the charter networks are not happy. Some of them are not happy. These these have to do with IPS Innovation Network contracts that they're looking to renegotiate. You know, so, yeah. So, you know, good luck to, you.
00:33:22
Speaker 3: Know, I'm all for fairness.
00:33:24
Speaker 5: You're going to have to get the legislature to change the, you know, the law on charters regarding charters. So they can change what they charge them, and they're going to seek that from the legislature. Another reason why this election is important to put more people who feel IPS's pain, feel their shortfall. I mean, over the years, historically, the legislative formula for supporting– Public schools has been, when it comes to supporting urban public schools in particular, has been horrendous. And, you know, it's fallen far short of what they need. So here's an effort to change it. If you agree that IPS is, you know, has not been funded enough. the way it should have been funded.
00:34:26
Speaker 2: It's not been fairly funded.
00:34:28
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:34:29
Speaker 2: And apparently, uh, IPS is, is saying Senate enrolled act number one is a big reason that they are asking voters, uh, you know, for, yeah, for the property tax referendum.
00:34:41
Speaker 5: Yeah. Right. I mean, it's giving relief to property tax years, but it, you know, it's coming out of the, um, of the budgets of public schools and it's leaving them in a, What was that I saw somewhere? Was it Noblesville? I got to go back. But one of the surrounding county schools, they have a referendum on the ballot for their area. We won't vote on this. It'll be their area. And the superintendent stressed that if it doesn't pass, we're going to have to close a school. And also lay off some school employees. Yeah. So, you know, that's what we've come to.
00:35:24
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:35:24
Speaker 2: And the district says fundamentally the goal is to preserve the innovation network, to preserve the partnerships, but that it needs to charge more for the services that it gives those schools like you're saying transportation. So, I mean, it's real simple. It costs more. You know, it costs more.
00:35:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, it costs more. That's true.
00:35:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, but, yeah.
00:35:47
Speaker 5: Everything else is going up.
00:35:48
Speaker 3: That's what I was going to say, James.
00:35:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope that there's no unfair criticism of IPS for doing that. I mean, I know there might be some moans and groans, but frankly, I'm glad IPS is standing up.
00:35:58
Speaker 4: Ms.
00:35:58
Speaker 3: Johnson said, you know, they're not trying to turn a profit.
00:36:01
Speaker 4: No.
00:36:01
Speaker 3: They're just trying to cover the cost.
00:36:03
Speaker 2: Which is always the case.
00:36:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
00:36:05
Speaker 2: When has IPS ever tried to profit? I mean, they've been in survival mode, you know, treading water all, you know, because of how unfairly they have been funded over the years.
00:36:14
Speaker 3: For years.
00:36:14
Speaker 2: So good for, you know.
00:36:17
Speaker 5: I don't know. Well, here's what the report from Chalkbeat says, and I quote, IPS has signaled for some time that it would re-evaluate its contract with innovation schools, meaning innovation charter schools, which we were talking about. Last month, the district told its teachers union that it would reconsider innovation network agreements. That's what we're talking about here. They're going to go to the legislature to try to get this changed. Before I can put in a couple words here that are not there, before it has to, resorting to district-wide educator layoffs, to trim $ 20 million from its budget. So that's what's at stake here. Yeah. $ 20 million for IPS that they need to find somewhere in that budget. And they're saying, charter schools, we can no longer support you in transportation.
00:37:16
Speaker 2: Which is probably the biggest cost. Yeah, transportation. With gas prices, diesel, buses.
00:37:24
Speaker 5: Come on.
00:37:25
Speaker 3: Exactly.
00:37:26
Speaker 5: Yeah. That's got to be the biggest. We totally support you. I mean, they're saying you've got to pay more. You've got to chip in more.
00:37:33
Speaker 2: Right now they're not paying anything. Yeah. And let us not forget that when they first hit the scene, we can do more with less. We can do more than what you do with less.
00:37:46
Speaker 5: Charter schools, that was their mantra.
00:37:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was their claim to fame. Yeah, we can do more with less.
00:37:52
Speaker 3: We'll see.
00:37:53
Speaker 2: And again, nothing against charter schools. So, you know, is there some good ones? But this is business. You know, what do they say? It's not personal. It's business. This is business. And the business of this dictates or dictates that this is what's probably going to have to happen.
00:38:10
Speaker 5: And that's why the election is important, because people who would tend to agree with what IPS wants to do have been in the superminority. And the supermajority has not agreed with what IPS would like to do in this case with charter schools paying more.
00:38:30
Speaker 2: Well, I'm with you and Eric. I agree with what IPS is trying to do. So, good luck.
00:38:35
Speaker 10: 317-480-1310, 317-480-1310.
00:38:35
Speaker 2: Josephine, you have a question? First of all, I want to say, hi, Tina. Hi, James.
00:38:39
Speaker 5: Hi, Eric. Hello. Hi, Josephine.
00:38:51
Speaker 7: I tend to vote absentee. I'm going to vote absentee ballot this time, too, because I have scoliosis. I can't stand in a line too long, and I just don't have transportation. What is your opinion about ensuring the people who vote absentee will get their vote in?
00:39:17
Speaker 2: What do you mean?
00:39:20
Speaker 5: I mean... Will it count, you mean?
00:39:24
Speaker 7: Yeah, will it count or.
00:39:26
Speaker 9: Will we be able to get out fully?
00:39:28
Speaker 7: Is it going to be a problem?
00:39:30
Speaker 5: Yeah, are you going to do it in the mail? Is that what you're talking about, Justine?
00:39:35
Speaker 7: I'm doing it in the mail, because I don't have a choice.
00:39:38
Speaker 5: Yeah. I just wanted to get the word out. If you can, we're.
00:39:42
Speaker 7: Seeing what we can do.
00:39:44
Speaker 5: Get to the voting booth. I would encourage that. That's a good question, Josephine. And I think everybody who wants to vote by mail should do so. But I heard Kate Sweeney-Bell, I think she's Marin County clerk, isn't she, Tina? Kate Sweeney-Bell say that one option is even if you have a mail-in ballot, you can drop it off. Beginning on the 24th, you can drop it off at a satellite center, and there's like eight or nine of them.
00:40:15
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, they'll take those.
00:40:16
Speaker 5: Yeah, eight of them. Yeah, they'll take them, or you can drop it off downtown. Yeah, a total of eight. So you don't have to put it in the mail. Because I agree with you, and I don't want to, you know, besmirch anybody's administration or anything, but I can say in the last couple years, the mail service has definitely declined as far as how long it takes. a piece of mail to get from A to B distance and from location to location. It has definitely, you know, gotten worse. And, you know, some days I don't even get mail. And I know that's not true because solicitors are sending me stuff all the time. I know I should get something. But, you know, and I.
00:41:06
Speaker 7: I have another question. If you fill out an application and haven't mailed it in for absentee ballot, is it still possible to vote in person even though you asked for an absentee ballot?
00:41:21
Speaker 8: Yeah.
00:41:22
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you don't turn that absentee ballot in.
00:41:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say, as long as you haven't turned it in.
00:41:25
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:41:27
Speaker 5: Absolutely. Don't mail it, though, and then go vote in person.
00:41:31
Speaker 6: Then you'd be in a lot of trouble.
00:41:32
Speaker 2: The computer's going to block you.
00:41:33
Speaker 5: They'll be knocking at your door. If I was going to take people, they'd know that, too.
00:41:38
Speaker 7: Okay.
00:41:39
Speaker 8: Well, I might do that.
00:41:39
Speaker 7: I might get some. I might take me somewhere after the.
00:41:43
Speaker 9: 24th and vote. There's an area over here. I'm on 71st and Michigan Road. There's an area over here.
00:41:50
Speaker 5: I know that. Oh, you're at 71st and Michigan? Yeah, you can go to the Pike Library.
00:41:57
Speaker 2: Which is on 71st and Zionsville. That's about three, maybe four miles west of 71st and Michigan.
00:42:07
Speaker 7: Well, Eskenazi right across the street down here on Michigan Road.
00:42:11
Speaker 5: But you can't do that until November 3rd, because that's not a satellite.
00:42:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not a satellite.
00:42:19
Speaker 5: That's a regular site.
00:42:21
Speaker 2: That's a vote center. That's a vote center.
00:42:24
Speaker 5: Yeah, up here on the north and northwest side, you've got a choice between the Pike Library and St. Luke's, 86th and Meridian.
00:42:34
Speaker 7: I know where that is.
00:42:35
Speaker 4: Okay, that's all.
00:42:37
Speaker 8: I wanted to know.
00:42:38
Speaker 5: I appreciate it.
00:42:38
Speaker 7: So I can still vote, even though I haven't sent.
00:42:42
Speaker 9: In my– okay.
00:42:43
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, or give it to somebody who's not going to physically vote. They want to send it in, and you can go.
00:42:52
Speaker 1: Yes, ma'am.
00:42:53
Speaker 11: OK, I appreciate that.
00:42:54
Speaker 10: Thank you.
00:42:55
Speaker 2: All right. Thank you. Yeah.
00:42:58
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:42:58
Speaker 2: We don't want double dip. Have anything cancel it out. But good question, though.
00:43:05
Speaker 3: It is a good question.
00:43:06
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:43:07
Speaker 2: Yeah. We can't have people regarding the elections on enough. You know, I'm going to try to get somebody in here all the time. Julia gave me the names of a couple of folks that I reached out to. and hopefully we can get them in here as well. But, you know, once you get to it, you know, like the simplicity of once you get to wherever it is you're going, walking in, casting your vote, and coming out, it couldn't be easier.
00:43:36
Speaker 4: Very easy.
00:43:38
Speaker 2: It's just all of this stuff prior. It's very easy, yeah. All of this stuff.
00:43:42
Speaker 5: You know, Tina, if I'm not here, you guys, you know, be sure to ask them, and maybe I might need to go to the Marion County Bar Association website. This might be a question for, like, you know, one of the lawyers that you know, Tina, is I have a sample ballot, which I'm going to send to you and Eric. It's just for me, for my address, but you'll get the gist of it. You were mentioning this earlier, Tina. The judges. I mean, what do we do with the judges and ask, you know, to retain the judges? So, we've got to have a guide to kind of suggest, you know, like the Marion County Bar Association, the Black Bar Association, I think would be a good one to say, this is a good one to retain. This is not. I need to study up on that because a lot of people, if they don't know, they'll just skip those. You know, they won't vote either way.
00:44:36
Speaker 3: That's true.
00:44:37
Speaker 4: You're right.
00:44:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is true. Yeah, very good. Very good point. You say the Marion County Bar Association?
00:44:46
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's the Black Bar Association. Because the National Bar Association is the Black Lawyers Association nationally. But I believe the offshoot of that in Marion County is the Marion County Bar Association, I think. Yeah, here we go. In Indiana.
00:45:14
Speaker 2: By the way, just got a text message regarding our last conversation about IPS. It says in order for IPS to survive, they have to do something.
00:45:25
Speaker 5: So.
00:45:25
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:45:26
Speaker 5: So there you go. In a nutshell.
00:45:28
Speaker 2: In a nutshell. Another nutshell.
00:45:31
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:45:32
Speaker 5: And that's a good point, Tina. I'm glad shows people are listening. And we know they always are. But, I mean, shows are listening closely. I just brought up you guys, Tina and Eric. The Marion County Bar Association is. Bar Association is a black lawyer association. So I'm going to check out their website. But just for y'all's people can Google Marion County Bar Association, bring that up to see if they have, you know, in some way evaluated the different judges on the ballot. And yeah, and try to tell us, you know, or guide us on which ones to retain or not. Yeah, yeah.
00:46:19
Speaker 2: And which ones to retain or not.
00:46:21
Speaker 3: That's good to know, because as you said, people, they'll skip it. They don't understand it in a lot of cases.
00:46:26
Speaker 5: Right, that's right.
00:46:27
Speaker 3: I don't know that judge. I don't know that name.
00:46:30
Speaker 5: Yeah. So rather than give them a vote, they'll just leave.
00:46:36
Speaker 2: Did you guys hear, I told you, this story is just, I don't know why it keeps getting my attention, but The Krista Pike botched execution in Tennessee.
00:46:46
Speaker 5: Yeah.
00:46:46
Speaker 2: Conscious and talking.
00:46:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, exactly.
00:46:50
Speaker 5: And she's chained to her bed. I mean, oh, my God. This is a woman who they tried to kill twice in an execution attempt. She survived it. They took her to the hospital. She was on a ventilator. God spared her life. She's alive and talking, conscious and talking. And she still has a death sentence on her.
00:47:15
Speaker 2: But yeah, the warrant hasn't been carried out.
00:47:18
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:47:19
Speaker 5: The governor down there said we won't, you know, he paused them for the rest of the year. But ho, ho, whoa, whoa.
00:47:26
Speaker 2: That is a hotter than hot mess how they're going to extract themselves from that. Because, you know, we were talking the other day about her attorneys asking that her death sentence be set aside and you know commuted to commuted i guess to life in prison without parole or whatever given the circumstances but it would be interesting i should have had i should i should have had a lawyer and if anybody's out there that's an attorney let me know but are they still obligated to carry out that warrant yeah we talked about it and they they.
00:47:56
Speaker 5: Are yes ma'am they are still under the death penalty oh yeah.
00:48:00
Speaker 2: So the fact that she's chained to the bed she's still a uh You know, she's still with the Tennessee Department of Corrections or however they. Yeah, she's not free to go.
00:48:11
Speaker 5: Her lawyers are going to argue double jeopardy. You know, I mean, that's that. I'm not a lawyer, but if a sentence is carried out and they're unable to state to complete the sentence. I do not believe– I mean, they can take this all the way to the Supreme Court, and if they do, this Supreme Court may let them kill her again.
00:48:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.
00:48:35
Speaker 5: I do not believe that they can, based upon the Constitution. if you read it right, can execute her again because they tried and failed. Yeah. And that would be double jeopardy on that sentence.
00:48:46
Speaker 2: Well, even there's some kind of language in the state of Indiana that if they're not executed within a certain time frame, that's why Indiana used to always do theirs one minute after midnight because they have to be executed by sunup, you know, before the sun comes up the following day. That could be, Tina. There's some language in there that if it doesn't happen within X, Y, and Z, then... You know, there's no execution.
00:49:09
Speaker 5: She has multiple avenues to try.
00:49:11
Speaker 2: To, you know, not go through that again. Yeah, she can probably keep that tied up in uh court uh for a while for a long and um but i i was just like how in the world is she uh conscious and talking.
00:49:27
Speaker 3: Yeah that's something with all of that two hits two hits of.
00:49:30
Speaker 5: That yeah they said that they could never get it in their lawyer said they couldn't get it in her veins So that, what is it? Femobarbital or whatever?
00:49:40
Speaker 2: Pentobarbital.
00:49:42
Speaker 5: Pentobarbital. Thank you, Tina. That got into her body instead of her veins.
00:49:49
Speaker 2: Well, and you think they, what, flushed it out with the.
00:49:53
Speaker 8: I don't know.
00:49:53
Speaker 5: They were trying to flush it out.
00:49:54
Speaker 2: They were trying to flush it out.
00:49:56
Speaker 5: It evidently put her to sleep, into a deep sleep.
00:49:58
Speaker 2: No, no, no. I'm talking about when she got medical attention that they were able to flush it out of her body.
00:50:03
Speaker 5: I don't know. That was one of the lawyers, the point that I read that he made was that they didn't have any medical, emergency medical service units, paramedics right there. Unbelievable. So they had to get somebody on the hospital to try to get oxygen to her. to save her life because the Tennessee law only allows them to try twice in one thing.
00:50:28
Speaker 2: Therein lies the rub. I didn't know that they only could do twice. I hadn't read that.
00:50:32
Speaker 3: I just, an update, guys, from a Nashville, Tennessee TV station.
00:50:36
Speaker 2: Okay.
00:50:37
Speaker 3: Status hearing was held, of course, in Nashville yesterday. I'm sorry, today on the preservation of evidence from the failed execution of Krista. last week. Her attorneys are granted the expedited hearing Friday to discuss the preservation of relevant evidence after they filed an emergency motion.
00:51:00
Speaker 2: Wow.
00:51:01
Speaker 3: It goes on to say, I think I saw something this morning that Tennessee was considering not doing executions after this. That was something they were discussing.
00:51:16
Speaker 5: The governor paused it Pause them until the end of 2026.
00:51:20
Speaker 3: Right, right.
00:51:21
Speaker 5: Yeah.
00:51:22
Speaker 3: I think I saw where they were having a discussion that possibly- They weren't going to do it at all?
00:51:26
Speaker 4: Right.
00:51:27
Speaker 3: From there forward, possibly not to do from here forward after this happened.
00:51:32
Speaker 5: Eric, that's a good point because at the bottom of it, what I read was is the pharmacists who produce these and sell- Well, they distribute, I guess, the pharmacists. But the makers of these drugs, makers of the drugs, would y'all call it penobarbital?
00:51:59
Speaker 3: Penobarbital, I think it is.
00:52:00
Speaker 5: Yeah, penobarbital.
00:52:02
Speaker 3: Pento.
00:52:02
Speaker 2: P-E-N-T-O.
00:52:03
Speaker 3: Pento, barbital, yeah.
00:52:04
Speaker 5: Okay, the makers of that drug, that lethal drug... Most of them are against having it used in that way, in a death execution.
00:52:17
Speaker 2: Oh, really? I hadn't heard that. What is the drug used for?
00:52:23
Speaker 6: I don't know.
00:52:26
Speaker 2: Let's go to the maps.
00:52:27
Speaker 3: Live radio right here.
00:52:31
Speaker 2: Here we go. That's not a problem. 317-480-1310. 317-480-1310 is the number. Lines are open for whatever may be on your mind. Still ahead, we've got someone talking about joining us, an attorney, by the way. Well, that's a whole other area of expertise, but estate planning and elder law, estate planning and elder law. And if you've ever had any relatives or friends that work in a funeral home, you know that some of this stuff that is ironed out in advance could save a whole lot of drama in those rooms when families are, you know, making decisions. final preparations.
00:53:17
Speaker 3: I guess it's phenobarbital. P-H-E-N-O-B-A-R-B-I-T-A-L.
00:53:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was spelled... Well, they spelled it.
00:53:25
Speaker 3: Or did they spell it differently than that?
00:53:26
Speaker 2: They spelled it... Yeah.
00:53:27
Speaker 3: Pento?
00:53:28
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:53:29
Speaker 5: I was... Yeah. I thought it was phenobarbital.
00:53:31
Speaker 3: Well, pheno is used as a sedative.
00:53:33
Speaker 2: Here it is.
00:53:34
Speaker 5: Okay, there we go. That makes sense.
00:53:35
Speaker 3: Now that one.
00:53:36
Speaker 5: No wonder why she was snoring. If they got all that in her body, it was like.
00:53:40
Speaker 3: I suppose.
00:53:40
Speaker 2: So Tina, it's spelled P-E... P-E-N-T-O, barbitol.
00:53:46
Speaker 3: Oh, that's different than what I'm looking at then.
00:53:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me look.
00:53:49
Speaker 3: And this phenobarbitol is for death.
00:53:51
Speaker 2: I've heard of phenol, and I was wondering why that wasn't.
00:53:54
Speaker 3: That's used for, it causes drowsiness. Phenobarbitol. I'm going to grab this call while you guys.
00:54:05
Speaker 5: Yeah, go ahead. But maybe that's not the same one that they use in the death cocktail. Um, Tina, uh, phenobarbital is maybe not the same. Well, maybe it's the one you're talking about. Okay.
00:54:23
Speaker 2: Pentobarbital is a short acting barbiturate that depresses the central nervous system prescribed medically for sedation, short-term treatment of insomnia, preparation for anesthesia and emergency control of severe seizures. So there is certain, yeah, P-E-N-T-O-B-A-R-B-I-T-A-L. Pentobarbital. There it is. So that's what they, now that's what it said in the, let me see, let me ask again. Was P-E-N-T-O.
00:54:59
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. Tina, I think Pat is on line three and Maybe explain that. Pentobarbital.
00:55:12
Speaker 2: It says pentobarbital is the drug specified in Tennessee's lethal injection protocol, which applies to the case of Krista Pike. So it was pinto, not vino. But anyway, Pat, go ahead.
00:55:27
Speaker 3: Let's see. Let me bring Pat.
00:55:28
Speaker 5: Pat, go ahead.
00:55:29
Speaker 10: How are you this morning?
00:55:31
Speaker 8: Good. How are you?
00:55:32
Speaker 5: Good.
00:55:33
Speaker 10: I was just calling to let you know that when they said pentobarbital, I know it's used to control certain seizures, but you clarified that, so thank you. But what I wanted to comment on is this. This woman is a victim.
00:55:49
Speaker 11: They've tried to kill her twice, and everybody.
00:55:53
Speaker 10: Else is looking over the obvious reason she's not dead. God didn't want her to die.
00:55:58
Speaker 9: It's as simple as that.
00:56:02
Speaker 11: If it wasn't in his will for her... to make it, she would have died the first time. But for them to try two different occasions to kill her and it didn't work, they need to back up because that is God himself. And when you ignore what God is saying, you're in trouble. They need to back off. I just wanted to let that be known.
00:56:25
Speaker 10: Have a great day. I love you, Tina.
00:56:26
Speaker 2: Thank you. Appreciate you. Appreciate you indeed. Yeah, so let's step away for a few seconds just to get our ID in, and we'll be right back. 317-480-1310. Taking your calls, questions, comments, and more right after this.
00:56:43
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00:57:00
Speaker 2: And we're back heading into our second hour, 317-480-1310. Eric back there working the phone lines as quickly as he can, as best he can. So bear with him, bear with him. He's getting to you. He's going to get to you. James Patterson is here with us, our contributing analyst. And so what we understand is that it was pentobarbital used.
00:57:23
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:57:24
Speaker 5: Phenobarbital is a long-acting barbiturate. They're closely related. Mainly used for long-term seizure control, while pentobarbital is a short-acting. So female is long-acting. Pentobarbital is short-acting barbiturate used for rapid sedation. Anesthesia and refractory status epiliptycus. Epiliptycus. I think it's E-P-I-L-E-P-T-I-C-U-S. So phenobarbital is long-acting and is primarily used to control generalized tonic and focal seizures. Sedation for anxiety or agitation and pediatric anti-convulsant use. Whereas penobarbital is rapid sedation and pre-anesthetic use. And it's for refractory status epilepticus, or I guess it's something close to epilepsy when first line agents fail. So, wow, that's one part of it. And then I had the three, It's a three, a three, the lethal injection is three cocktail. It's given in sequential order. The sodium theopentol or pentobarbital, that's its name, first, and then the pancuronium bromide, that's second, that non-depolarizing muscle relaxant, which causes complete, fast, and sustained paralysis. of the thyroid and skeletal muscles. And then potassium chloride or potassium salt. So those three.
00:59:18
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:59:19
Speaker 2: Well, they messed it up. They messed it up badly.
00:59:22
Speaker 9: 317-480-1310.
00:59:23
Speaker 2: And I can't wait to hear how this resolves itself because it's... It's a no-win situation. They're not going to win either way. Whatever the decision is, it's a no-win. Unfortunately, that's going to be a no-win.
00:59:41
Speaker 5: 317-480-1310.
00:59:42
Speaker 2: Jeff, go ahead. How are you?
00:59:43
Speaker 5: Hey, Tina, Eric, and James. How you doing?
00:59:47
Speaker 2: Doing good. Thank you.
00:59:50
Speaker 5: Good. James, you're going to get a kick out of this one. Mm-hmm. You know, it was on the news today that in Maryland... Westmore, the governor, right? Yeah. Negotiated a deal to get a lot of USS Navy nuclear submarines built with a firm that builds Virginia-class nuclear subs. And Donald Trump wasn't going to speak. But Donald Trump didn't want the governor of Maryland to speak. The governor who negotiated this deal, and now Trump is taking credit for it. Did y'all see that on the news? Yeah, I mean, that's par for the course for him. Yeah, a black man got the deal done, but Trump's going to take credit for it. So just a little food for thought there, Tina. Just a little food for thought.
01:00:49
Speaker 2: You know, I was listening to.
01:00:50
Speaker 5: The black man negotiated the deal, got the deal done, got the people here, but Trump's taking credit for it.
01:00:55
Speaker 4: Of course.
01:00:56
Speaker 5: And wouldn't let the governor speak. Of course, of course. Called him low IQ.
01:00:59
Speaker 9: Yeah.
01:01:00
Speaker 5: We're talking about a man that went to Cambridge University over in England. Yeah. Well, that's, you know, he is, I mean, the man's a racist. I mean, that's just, you know, I mean, that's what he is. Oh, no, no, no. We got some brothers out there that think the world of him. No, we don't. Yeah, but what he does proves his mindset.
01:01:19
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:01:24
Speaker 2: There are some brothers and sisters too.
01:01:26
Speaker 5: I don't even call them brothers and sisters because I saw a bunch of them right in the dumpster here about an hour ago. Okay, I'm going.
01:01:35
Speaker 4: To leave that one alone.
01:01:36
Speaker 5: You know where I'm going with that one, don't you?
01:01:39
Speaker 2: I do.
01:01:40
Speaker 5: Anyway, I am going to vote. I haven't voted yet.
01:01:44
Speaker 2: Are you going to vote early, Jeff, or are you going to vote on election day?
01:01:48
Speaker 5: I always vote early. I'm going to vote. I'm going to vote because... This is a vote for democracy and a vote against fascism. Yeah. Jeff, do you have anybody that you can influence to vote with you, like you can bring along or send along? I talk to a lot of people, and they're going to vote. If you don't vote, I'm going to have nothing to do with you. Nope, if you're black and you don't want to vote and I don't want to hear all that, well, my vote don't count.
01:02:17
Speaker 4: Yes, it does.
01:02:18
Speaker 5: And why are they going through so much trouble to keep you from voting? Well, man, you know what I'm saying, Jeff. But I ain't got time for that, so I'm going to vote. I've been voting since 1980.
01:02:32
Speaker 4: 1980.
01:02:33
Speaker 5: That's good, Jeff. And I never miss a vote because I know black people were lynched just for the right to vote. Just for trying to get people, signing up people to vote, they were lynched. Viola Louiso from Detroit. Yeah, an Italian woman from Detroit. Yeah, she got her head blown off just for taking black people to sign up for voting. And, you know, and that's what I was talking about the other day, Tina, with the, I forgot the young ladies that you had on there Monday. about the voting.
01:03:12
Speaker 2: Oh, Julia Vaughn.
01:03:14
Speaker 5: Yes, because, you know, they done put themselves in a bit of a pickle. You know, they're going to get slaughtered, beat up in the midterms. The House is definitely in place, Senate up in the air. But if Trump goes through this threat, Senate, DHS, that's going to be a catch-22, because people are going to say, wait a minute, you're sitting out... The federal government keep me from voting? That means you don't want to deal with the results of the election. So, yeah, you already lost, but you're just going to hijack our democracy. So it's a lose-lose. And then we go from a democracy to a dictatorship. And some of y'all fought out there. I didn't want to vote for that black woman. I ain't voting for no black woman. I'm voting for a white serial rapist. So some of y'all, I know... Yeah, I don't call them brothers and sisters.
01:04:05
Speaker 4: I don't.
01:04:06
Speaker 5: I don't care who gets mad or upset. I ain't taking nothing back. I meant what I said. And some of you all, you know who you are. You go into people's trash cans. You steal food. You got that little black little mask on, that furry little tail, all that other good stuff. That's who you are. Stephen A. Smith. Byron Donalds, Nicki Minaj, you know what you are. I got more respect for the four-legged ones than I do for the two-legged ones, Tina. I said it. I ain't taking it back. I refuse to. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, you know, and I ain't talking about Roy Raccoon either. I'm talking about those other ones, you know. So I'm done.
01:04:44
Speaker 4: Goodbye.
01:04:45
Speaker 2: All right, Jeff.
01:04:45
Speaker 5: Thank you.
01:04:46
Speaker 9: 317-480-1310.
01:04:46
Speaker 2: 317-480-1310 is the number to the show. And lines are open for whatever may be on your mind. James Patterson is here with us, as is our producer, Eric Garn. Oh, no, no, no. Garnet, James.
01:05:05
Speaker 5: Garnet. Yeah, Garnet.
01:05:07
Speaker 2: And it's after two.
01:05:08
Speaker 5: It's after two.
01:05:09
Speaker 2: It's 10 after two, actually. Almost going on three. So tonight, I want to remind everyone, speaking of voting and the like, and he was, when he mentioned Julia Garnet, Vaughn from Sunday from Monday, rather from Monday show. She issued the invitation to a free watch party for the secretary of state debate, which is taking place tonight at seven o'clock. The secretary of state's office in a nutshell, they are the chief elections officer in the entire state of Indiana, the chief elections officer. And to give you an idea, the current secretary of state, Diego Morales, has already surrendered voter rolls to the Trump administration because they asked for it. Let that sink in. The current one. Now, he's not running. He didn't get endorsed by his party and so on and so forth. But the candidates who are going to be debating tonight, this will be the second debate tonight, starting at 7 o'clock. Max Engeling, he's the Republican. Beau Bayh is the Democrat. Greg Ballard is the Independent, and Laura Schillings, I'm trying to figure out, she might be, is she the Green Party? Libertarian, isn't she? Libertarian, okay, Libertarian, I'm sorry. Yeah, Libertarian, my bad. I don't know what else. But anyway, Max Engling, Bo Bai, Greg Ballard, and Laura Schillings, they're all going to be participating in the Indiana Debate Commissions event at WFYI's Public Television Studios downtown. There will not be a live audience, but you can watch the debate on most Indiana PBS stations. You can also watch it live on the Indy Star website, indystar.com website. You can also watch it there. But very important to hear from all of these candidates. Julia pointed out that of all of the candidates, the only one talking about if they get in office, they would make it mandatory that every voter in the state of Indiana would get a voter guide, a published voter guide in the mail prior to any and all elections. And that is, guess who? Not the Democrat. The former Republican, now independent, former mayor of Indianapolis, Greg Ballard. So she was saying that he's the one... It's interesting that he is the one talking about... interesting issues, like voter guides and things of that nature, because she was saying that other states around the country, they send them out just on the regular. I mean, that's just part of their budget. They take a million dollars for printing and mailing and whatever costs, a million to two million. I think she said it would be somewhere between one and two million dollars here to do that for the state of Indiana, which she says is just, for the most part, nominal. It just wouldn't cost a whole lot of money.
01:08:18
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, that's a good idea. He also, Ballard, wants Secretary of State race to be non-politically affiliated, meaning, you know, you wouldn't declare a party, you'd just be a candidate. He wants it to be, you know, yeah. But I like his idea about the voter guide.
01:08:39
Speaker 2: I like that too.
01:08:41
Speaker 5: Because I had to go to IndyVotes. to get my ballot. And that's why I started asking all the questions, and we were talking about the judges and who are they and what do you vote for? We need guidance on that. So that was a great idea because people don't know. I hear people coming up to me all the time. Even going into the voting place, do you know anything about these judges or what do you know about this candidate? Because there's not enough information out there about the candidates.
01:09:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, there were two I knew a lot about and three others I knew about just on a surface level. But that's just based on what I do. So a lot of folks probably don't have that knowledge.
01:09:34
Speaker 11: 317-480-1310, 317-480-1310.
01:09:35
Speaker 2: So if you want to watch and see where each of the candidates are, where they all stand, This debate, again, this is the second one. It'll be tonight, 7 o'clock. And you can watch it on any Indiana PBS TV station or IndyStar.com, live on the IndyStars website.
01:10:00
Speaker 5: So there'll be four.
01:10:02
Speaker 2: No live audience, interestingly enough. No live audience for this one.
01:10:07
Speaker 5: Yeah, no live audience, so... I mean, that's a really competitive race, so we'll see what happens there.
01:10:13
Speaker 2: That's probably the most exciting race that we'll have in the state, you know.
01:10:17
Speaker 5: Competitive, indeed.
01:10:18
Speaker 2: Brother Darrell, go ahead. How are you?
01:10:21
Speaker 4: Hey, Sister Tina Fine. How are you doing?
01:10:24
Speaker 2: Doing just fantastic, I think. Just fantastic.
01:10:28
Speaker 4: Eric, and is it James?
01:10:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, James.
01:10:31
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I'm recommending all of y'all for a race.
01:10:36
Speaker 2: Can we escalate that?
01:10:39
Speaker 6: Can we have applause, please?
01:10:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's escalate that one. Okay, thank you.
01:10:46
Speaker 6: Thank you, thank you.
01:10:48
Speaker 4: Yeah, but what I wanted to always say is I do vote, and I've pretty much always voted. At one point in time, I didn't do the primaries because they used to say that when you voted for the primaries, That was how you got selected for jury duty.
01:11:07
Speaker 3: I heard that, too, somewhere.
01:11:09
Speaker 4: But then I did start it during the primary, and I got the yellow card for jury duty. Okay.
01:11:15
Speaker 5: Okay, well, coincidence, I think not. What's your take on jury duty? They say it's important, especially so that you, you know, make the pools a little more multiracial, multiracial. you know, have different opinions and stuff.
01:11:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, think about if that brother hadn't been on a jury, you know.
01:11:38
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, that would have gone a whole different direction.
01:11:41
Speaker 2: The one that didn't want to convict the woman for killing the kids.
01:11:44
Speaker 3: Right, for killing the kids, yeah. Look at the grief he's got, how they went after him. Yeah, but he held his ground.
01:11:50
Speaker 2: He held his ground. He said very simply, she killed three children.
01:11:54
Speaker 8: Yeah, he did.
01:11:55
Speaker 4: I did get called. I did get called down there, and I wasn't selected. You know, I used to sit in the assembly room. So I did do that a couple times.
01:12:03
Speaker 5: Okay, you went through with it. Yeah.
01:12:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did. I went ahead and went through with it. But I was calling to follow up on the conversation yesterday with the train robber.
01:12:16
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, the train robber.
01:12:18
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
01:12:19
Speaker 5: Okay.
01:12:20
Speaker 4: I went out last night and dusted my shovels off.
01:12:23
Speaker 5: Ah, okay.
01:12:27
Speaker 4: They say that money's there somewhere.
01:12:29
Speaker 2: Okay, okay. You just got to find it. You just got to find it. Would it still spend today?
01:12:34
Speaker 5: Because that's more than 150 years old.
01:12:35
Speaker 6: Yeah, would it spend today?
01:12:36
Speaker 2: That's a good question. Would that work? And was it, well, was it in cash or was it in gold? Because sometimes gold coins are, yeah, because currency was, yeah, it was a little different sometimes.
01:12:50
Speaker 4: It was a little different, yeah. Well, they said on that documentary that that $ 13, 000, which was the first one they did, would have been worth $ 130 million today.
01:13:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, but was it paper cash?
01:13:03
Speaker 12: Gold coins i think it was gold coins and i think there was some paper okay mason jars these huge mason jars so i think the bulk of it.
01:13:13
Speaker 4: Was gold coins okay you know they were stealing money from the bank so however they were moving their cash around so.
01:13:20
Speaker 2: Here here's the question here here's the question brother daryl If you happen to find the money, is it a finders, keepers, losers, weepers situation? Or would you be mandated by law to turn that money over to law enforcement?
01:13:38
Speaker 4: Well, if they try to say it was unrightfully confiscated, I guess I'd have to give it up. But other than that, I'd be, you know, just give me a share of it.
01:13:48
Speaker 5: Okay. There might still be a reward for it.
01:13:51
Speaker 2: Well, and I know there will still be a reward. The bank no longer exists. The banking system.
01:13:56
Speaker 4: No longer exists.
01:13:57
Speaker 3: That system's gone.
01:13:58
Speaker 2: So who would restitution be made to?
01:14:00
Speaker 5: He doesn't have to give it back. He wouldn't have to give it back.
01:14:03
Speaker 4: He hits.
01:14:03
Speaker 5: He hits.
01:14:07
Speaker 4: I like who said that. I like that comment.
01:14:10
Speaker 7: Yeah, indeed.
01:14:10
Speaker 4: All right. All right.
01:14:12
Speaker 2: You keep looking.
01:14:14
Speaker 4: I will.
01:14:15
Speaker 10: Okay.
01:14:15
Speaker 2: Let me know what you find out.
01:14:16
Speaker 8: Okay.
01:14:17
Speaker 12: All right.
01:14:19
Speaker 4: Thank you. Have a great night.
01:14:20
Speaker 5: You too.
01:14:21
Speaker 8: Rick, go ahead.
01:14:22
Speaker 2: Do you have a comment? Rick, go ahead.
01:14:23
Speaker 7: How are you?
01:14:24
Speaker 6: How are you both?
01:14:25
Speaker 4: Great.
01:14:25
Speaker 6: How are you guys doing today?
01:14:26
Speaker 3: Doing good.
01:14:27
Speaker 4: All right.
01:14:28
Speaker 5: Doing good.
01:14:29
Speaker 6: Hey, as far as the young lady in Tennessee, I didn't know. James educated me when he told me about the deal where You only get two tries because this sounds cold and malice, but from what that lady did, I understand she murdered another young lady. Did she cut her skull off or keep part of her skull for a souvenir?
01:14:52
Speaker 5: I don't know if she did that.
01:14:54
Speaker 2: She split her throat.
01:14:58
Speaker 5: I mean, it was vicious. It was no doubt about a horrendous crime that many people would say she deserves to die for.
01:15:08
Speaker 2: You don't go to death row being a Girl Scout. I mean, she did some.
01:15:12
Speaker 5: Pretty horrendous things.
01:15:13
Speaker 6: It wasn't jaywalking or anything like that.
01:15:16
Speaker 4: No, no, no.
01:15:16
Speaker 3: Serious, serious.
01:15:18
Speaker 6: And then I've also been told that she tried to kill someone else after she's been locked up, which she's been in there 32 years. But this woman's pretty heinous. And as dark as this sounds, my first thought was, why couldn't the guards just shoot her and finish her off? Why would you take somebody to a hospital that you're trying to kill? It's me, James, and Eric go deer hunting this weekend. And I get a good shot at a buck. I hit him, and he falls, and we walk up on him. And they say, oh, Rick, he's still alive. We don't say, oh, we need to find a pen.
01:15:53
Speaker 5: I know you're trying to make light of it, and it is pretty funny. I know what you're saying, and that's a good way to put it. But like I said, the law there is that they don't kill her twice by lethal injection. They can't do anything about it. And another thing, take this into consideration, Rick, that I think death row existence, that is a penalty in itself. A horrendous penalty because basically she has spent more than three decades in solitary confinement. And it's supposed to be where I'm sure there's some differentiations on how it's applied and what the conditions are. But generally, if you're on death row, you're supposed to get one hour of out-of-the-sale free time a day, maybe a shower or something. It's part of that exercise. But to be in solitary confinement for three decades, that is in itself, to me, a grand punishment. Not death, but it's got to be right next to it.
01:17:06
Speaker 4: Right.
01:17:06
Speaker 6: Yeah, pretty bad. I mean, to me, in that situation, it seems like you'd be saying, well, hurry up and get it over with. instead of appealing it and appealing it and appealing it and stretching it out and delaying the inevitable.
01:17:18
Speaker 5: Yeah, because they said when she was on the deathbed and it wasn't going in her, she didn't know it, but it wasn't going in her vein, at some point she kept asking them, is it supposed to feel like this? Because it was going in her body. I mean, that's torture in itself, and it's a cruel and unusual punishment, which the Constitution is against.
01:17:38
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:17:40
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just wanted to get my point across. I thought, why are we, the taxpayers, paying for life support or all this medical stuff for somebody that we're ultimately trying to kill?
01:17:51
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true.
01:17:54
Speaker 9: Go ahead, Tina.
01:17:56
Speaker 2: Well, no, I'm just saying that because of what the law says, and the law only goes so far, and if you go past that, then you're... you know, breaking a law. So it's, it's, it's complicated. It's complicated. I wish it were simpler, but like I was saying, there's no, there, there's no, uh, either way this thing goes, it's, it's going to be controversial. There's no winners in this.
01:18:23
Speaker 6: Um, none whatsoever. I do see a movie. I do see a movie coming in the upcoming years.
01:18:28
Speaker 4: What do you guys think?
01:18:29
Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
01:18:30
Speaker 5: I never thought about that.
01:18:33
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:18:34
Speaker 3: I bet there is too.
01:18:34
Speaker 5: You know, one thing is that Rick, As long as she's alive, you know, I mean, there are people, including the victim's family, who just want it over and want her gone so they can feel justice. But as long as she's alive. there is an opportunity for some internal rehabilitation. You know what I mean? For her to get right in herself, which a lot of people say she already has. She has been contrite. She has asked for forgiveness. She has, you know, been remorseful. But, like you said, and like Tina said, I don't know how anybody comes out of this and says, you know, I'm a winner in this.
01:19:20
Speaker 9: Mm-mm.
01:19:21
Speaker 6: It's going to be a tight environment.
01:19:23
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, Rick. I appreciate it.
01:19:27
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:19:27
Speaker 5: Thank you.
01:19:28
Speaker 2: Hey, did you all hear that? Eric, I know James and I were talking about it. Did you hear the.
01:19:35
Speaker 2: Uh, former televangelist, a superstar. I mean, beyond superstardom, uh, Jim and Tammy Faye, Jim Baker passed away.
01:19:43
Speaker 4: I did.
01:19:44
Speaker 3: He was, uh, wasn't he 86? I think something like that. 86 years old.
01:19:50
Speaker 5: What was it?
01:19:52
Speaker 3: Eric? 86, 86, 86 years old. Uh, um, he and Tammy Faye were, were huge on TV for years.
01:19:59
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:20:00
Speaker 3: For years they were on television. Yeah. And, uh, I heard about that. His immediate cause of death. They, they determined what that was or was it just, I don't know what it was, but he.
01:20:08
Speaker 5: Had, he'd been sick for a while. He had a stroke. Um, I want to say he had a stroke a while back, you know, um, more than a year ago. It might've been a couple. Um, but he, he, he's been recovering from that since then. And, um, He was off the air.
01:20:28
Speaker 3: For a long time.
01:20:30
Speaker 2: He had some prison time he had to serve.
01:20:33
Speaker 3: He did. I remember that.
01:20:35
Speaker 5: But he came back and he came back to you and he was an on air personality, you know, with with his show. And so he got past that. He got out of prison. He remarried and, you know, he got his ministry going again. But what I'm saying within the last couple of years, he had a stroke a couple of years or so. Yeah, the stroke.
01:20:56
Speaker 2: They said he'd been in hospice care.
01:20:58
Speaker 3: Okay, hospice care, yeah.
01:20:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, most recently in hospice for whatever. But yeah, they, you know, my late mother could not get enough of them. She loved Jim and Tammy Faye.
01:21:11
Speaker 3: I had some family members who did too.
01:21:12
Speaker 2: And I never, I was like, what is it? Oh, they're just so nice. I know somebody who met.
01:21:19
Speaker 3: Tammy Faye and said in person she was so kind and wonderful. And a small woman. Very, very, what did they say, slight at the time? And even with her makeup, they said in person she was pretty attractive in person.
01:21:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I just couldn't take anybody seriously with that much makeup.
01:21:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, the makeup was pretty heavy.
01:21:39
Speaker 5: Even though he went to prison for what he did, for taking contributions and using them personally.
01:21:45
Speaker 2: Hundreds of millions.
01:21:47
Speaker 3: Hundreds of millions.
01:21:47
Speaker 2: Hundreds of millions of contributions.
01:21:51
Speaker 5: I think he was one of the original people ministries, or he headed one of the original ministries of the evangelistic, what we call the modern-day evangelistic movement that is cross-cultural. His church was the first one to really kind of try to integrate different races into a worship setting. And, you know, out of him came others, you know, that we have, that we see today. But his was in, they were based in Carolina. And, you know, I think it was a PTL network.
01:22:32
Speaker 1: Yes, PTL.
01:22:32
Speaker 3: Praise the Lord.
01:22:33
Speaker 2: Praise the Lord.
01:22:35
Speaker 6: Yeah.
01:22:36
Speaker 5: Yeah. And they really started this movement of these mega churches with all the races.
01:22:43
Speaker 2: The prosperity preacher.
01:22:45
Speaker 3: Prosperity gospel.
01:22:46
Speaker 2: I mean, that didn't just start with them, but I think they took it to levels. I mean, because you can look all the way back in time.
01:22:53
Speaker 5: National and international.
01:22:55
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:22:55
Speaker 2: They took advantage of television and the power of TV, the power of. Of media more so and just did very well with it.
01:23:05
Speaker 3: A lot of followers.
01:23:07
Speaker 5: It may have started with others. You're right. Prosperity Gospel did not start with them, and they took it to another level. But my point is that their church was multicultural, and that is what he– That is why your mother was so enthralled. I mean, my mother was too. I mean, because he reached out to try to bring in other races. Remember, Martin Luther King Jr. is the one who said 11 o'clock Sunday morning, most segregated hour in America. In a lot of ways, it still is. But I think he tried to buck that trend despite all of his deficiencies and, you know, his shortcomings, because he stole for his personal gain money offerings that came in to his ministry. Yeah, yeah.
01:24:04
Speaker 2: Some of the excesses were, it was just hard to believe. But you know what, that's also a cautionary tale about, you know, unchecked, you know, when there's no accountability or what have you. And I think that they also, with the Jim and Tammy Baker scandal ushered in somewhat more of a system of checks and balances on some of those types of ministries just because so much of it was, you know, unchecked. But, yeah, his heart, you're right, his heart was one that a lot of people fell in love with. A lot of people did. And so there, yeah, it's sad. It's sad.
01:24:48
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:24:49
Speaker 3: Our family, we had a family reunion. I know they founded the, constructed the Heritage USA.
01:24:56
Speaker 5: And our family had.
01:24:57
Speaker 3: A reunion there, I forget how many years, a number of years ago. And that was one of many. Because normally on my dad's side, they'd have a reunion every two years in different parts of the country where family was located. And that was one of the locations, that theme park.
01:25:13
Speaker 5: Heritage USA.
01:25:15
Speaker 2: So rest in peace, Jim Baker. We are going to take a quick break right here and be right back with Jennifer Norton, attorney and owner of Norton Estate Planning Family. Elder Law.
01:25:30
Speaker 5: Elder Law.
01:25:31
Speaker 2: We'll be right back.
01:25:40
Speaker 1: Let's get back to the conversation. It's Community Connection with Tina Cosby from the Praise Indie IndieGo Studios on Praise AM 1310, 95.1 FM.
01:25:53
Speaker 2: And we are back. We're back. We have a guest.
01:25:58
Speaker 5: Don't we? Oh, yes, we do.
01:26:00
Speaker 3: We do.
01:26:01
Speaker 2: James Patterson and Eric Garnett.
01:26:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of you ought to call me.
01:26:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, Halverson was here yesterday. Yeah, Eric Halverson. And you know what? I didn't get it confused yesterday, and today I'm saying Eric Halverson. I had it straight yesterday, I tell you. But our guest is Jennifer Norton. She is an attorney. She is the owner of Norton Estate Planning and Elder Law. And she is here with us to give us some guidance on a whole lot of stuff. I can't I don't even know where to begin. Attorney Norton, welcome to the show. How are you today?
01:26:33
Speaker 8: I am doing well. Thank you for asking. And thank you for having me.
01:26:37
Speaker 2: Thank you. So estate planning and elder law. the graying of America, so to speak, with more than 70 million baby boomers. I think the last stat was more than 70 million either approaching age 62 or having reached age 62 and beyond. And these are just a lot of the issues that that particular population should pay attention to, as well as their families and significant others, is that fair to say?
01:27:12
Speaker 9: Absolutely.
01:27:12
Speaker 8: People are living longer, but not necessarily living better. And so what can you do to proactively prepare your family members and yourself, as well as to protect whatever legacy or lasting memory that you want them to receive? Estate planning plays a vital role in that, getting those documents legally in place. We love informal conversations and You know, I jotted it down on my nightstand, but, you know, it's very important that we, you know, document it legally so that we can truly execute your wishes.
01:27:46
Speaker 2: So what happens if it's not done legally?
01:27:49
Speaker 8: Well, you know, the family is typically in a tailspin because, you know, someone always says, Mama told me this and Daddy told me that. And, you know, to spare our children, sometimes we do tell them half-truths. so that they can feel good and not feel slighted if they're not going to be the chosen person. But what typically happens when you do these informal conversations, it's usually one-offs.
01:28:20
Speaker 5: We're not doing.
01:28:21
Speaker 8: Them in the aspect of it being like a family meeting so everyone hears the same message at the same time. You have that telephone aspect. Y'all remember that game where you tell someone at the front of the line and you go to the back of the line to see if the message was consistent? It never is. And that's kind of what happens with families when we do things where we have these conversations specific conversations with individuals. And then sometimes we even, oh, you know, I jotted it down or I got it notarized. And you can't just assume that in each state the rules are the same. So some documents, like a lot of people say, well, I went and got a will and I got it notarized. Well, Indiana doesn't require that. Indiana requires two disinterested witnesses to sign the will and And they want you to sign twice. And so because of that, you know, a notarization does not, will not fulfill that. So, you know, then we're left with the state statute and we can't carry out the true intentions of the person because they thought, oh, I'm just going to get a notarization. Well, notaries don't, they only verify the person. They don't really provide validity to the actual documents. And so that's where, you know, you can't just assume because then we will end up, unfortunately, sometimes doing the exact opposite of what you really wanted.
01:29:40
Speaker 6: James?
01:29:43
Speaker 5: Attorney Norton, yeah, thank you for being here. Let me ask you a question. What would be included, what of a person's ownership would be included in In family and estate planning, were they to do this, of course, before they pass away?
01:30:01
Speaker 8: Great question, because everyone thinks that the word estate is this whole lofty situation where I have to have millions of dollars or hundreds of thousands of dollars. Your estate can consist of a simple bank account, a car, and if you have a house or life insurance, even if you have an apartment, that's still your estate because You have assets in it. You have your stuff. You have things that are important to you, whether it's sentimental items or financial items, like sometimes people.
01:30:29
Speaker 5: Have coins and jewelry or, you know.
01:30:32
Speaker 8: Those items that have a financial value. All of that, when a death occurs, has to be able to transfer into your intended beneficiary's ownership. And if you do nothing, you're left with the state statutes. And, you know, people think, especially married people in this state, believe that if I die, all of my assets go to my spouse, but not in Indiana. When you die in Indiana, if you're married and your name is not jointly on the account or listed as a beneficiary, the law gives 50% to the spouse and 50% to the children. So when it comes to your estate, it is virtually and literally everything that you own is whether it has a financial value or not, that is an asset of your estate that then needs to get to whomever it is that you are intending.
01:31:22
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, good answer. My second question is, if a person writes out a statement and has it notarized, say, without an attorney involved. And this is not saying, you know, of course, we want people to check with people like Attorney Jennifer Norton of Norton Estate Planning and Elder Law firm. But let's just say, you know, you've got a friend, they're getting up in age, they write out a statement, have it notarized. Is there any place, entity, office, where they can put that on file that the Indiana, the state of Indiana would recognize that as that person's will.
01:32:05
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no.
01:32:07
Speaker 8: There's one, they won't recognize it too. There's nowhere that you can produce it so that they could recognize it. The only time a statement that's notarized and in writing could ever potentially be recognized is if a person pursued trust-based estate planning. If someone has like a revocable living trust, typically those documents, will identify that I may leave a separate memo providing additional instruction. And so in that situation, it does lay out the formalities that have to be followed in order for the trustee who runs the trust to incorporate those, that separate memorandum or those separate wishes. When you do a will-based estate plan, there is one short little paragraph that says, I may leave a memo to distribute personal effects. Like, Who gets the photo album? Who gets the cookbooks? Who gets my jewelry? Who gets the car? And that typically can be in a separate document, but it has to be acknowledged in a legitimately drafted will, right? And like I said, the will doesn't require a notary in Indiana. It requires the two signatures. And typically after a certain resuscitation that says I'm over the age of 18, I haven't You know, I'm not under, you know, I have all my faculties. I'm in my right mind. We're all the witnesses and us are all signing in the presence of each other. I haven't been coerced. So you have to have certain formal language to accompany those signatures. But yeah, that notarization, I think we just really need to not place that much weight on it. I don't know where this stereotype, you know, came about where people think I can just, say what I want and get it notarized and that's the law of the land. We have to really let that go.
01:33:54
Speaker 5: What's involved in a trust? Do you need an attorney for that? And where would that be filed if you did get a trust so that the state could get access to it after you're passed on?
01:34:07
Speaker 8: Okay, so great question. So do you need an attorney for anything? The answer is no.
01:34:11
Speaker 10: Okay.
01:34:12
Speaker 8: Is it prudent to get one?
01:34:14
Speaker 5: Absolutely. Absolutely.
01:34:15
Speaker 8: Because there's so many pitfalls.
01:34:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was going to.
01:34:18
Speaker 7: Be my question.
01:34:19
Speaker 5: Right.
01:34:20
Speaker 8: There's so many pitfalls that you can fall into. For instance, most people want to avoid probate. What people fail to recognize is that all will go through probate. Because remember, I said earlier that the state statute has your next of kin, which is typically someone has to be related by blood to inherit your estate if you fail to do planning. So if you wanted to include someone that was not related by blood, like, say, a charitable organization, a church, a godchild, a best friend, or someone who is not related by blood, you have to put together a separate document, either through a will or trust, to accomplish that. The thing of it is, though, when a death occurs, then... If you did a will-based plan, all wills go through probate because you're telling the judge in the probate court, don't follow the state statute. I have decided to include all of these other people, entities, organizations in my plan, and here are the rules. And so what people miss is that the will always goes through probate because if you're doing a deviation, then the state's law is default. A trust It's also a set of instructions like a will, but people assume it avoids probate, but I'm here to tell you it can avoid probate, not will. The piece that you're missing when you're talking to your social, when you're on with your Facebook philosophers and your TikTok teachers and your Instagram instructors, what you guys are all missing that they're not saying, and this is where the professional plays a part, is you can get a document. and put instructions in it and call it a trust because that's all it is. And the trust has to be notarized, of course, and it has to have certain formalities, right? And then what you have to do is what the Internet does not provide you with, the most important part is you have to go take the name of that document because you can call the trust whatever you want. I can call it the Red Desk Living Trust. I can call it the Jennifer Norton Living Trust. I can call it the Meridian Street Living Trust. You can call it whatever you want. But you have to take that name and place it on all of your accounts because then the instructions can control either that account through the ownership or the beneficiary. And that's how you stay out of court because the court says with trust, we don't get involved if you essentially are creating a contractual relationship. between the document and the institution. So when I do the trust, if I have life insurance, I'm going to make the beneficiary on the policy the trust because I want my rules to control those funds when I die and the proceeds are paid out, I want to follow my rules. But when you do a trust, you still get a will. But it's known as a pour over will because the will no longer identifies specific beneficiaries. All it says is I did a trust. So if someone say like my, I didn't know my third, my cousin who's 30th removed, she died, had no children and somehow she made me the beneficiary, but I didn't know that. And so because I didn't know, I couldn't tell her to put my trust on as the beneficiary. So my name is there. And so my will, the will goes to get anything that is left in my name or in the, you know, the name of my estate, which is just my name. It says, go get that asset that my cousin left to me. But then the will says, but pour it over to my trust because that's where all my instructions are. But remember, I said all wills go through probate. And so when people do trust, that's how they miss that trust will go through probate if you don't retitle every account to either coordinate with that trust name to create the contract or– Say you just said, oh, I want that policy to go directly to my cousin or my godchild. You could put them directly on that account as the beneficiary. But what you don't want to happen is if you leave something solely in your name or you receive something solely in your name with a trust-based estate plan and the will has to go get it, it pulls the estate into probate. And so, yes, a trust should be private if you set up that contractual relationship. But if you don't, that's why trust, and they don't say this on the Internet, is that trust Most people that I know, now not my clients, but most people I know that have trust-based plans will end up going through probate because most firms will only do the deed to your house. They'll put your house into the name of your trust. But they'll give you a list of instructions for you to do everything else because most of the public will say, well, why don't you do it? And they'll say, okay, yeah, I'm going to press start on my billable hour clock and you can pay me hourly and I'll help you with every account, every policy. And people say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Just give me those instructions.
01:39:19
Speaker 5: I'll do it myself.
01:39:20
Speaker 8: And so that's where you find this disconnect that it doesn't always get done or people refinance. And so something may want to be in trust and you took it out to do a financial transaction, but did you remember to put it back in? And so that's where, you know, I know that's a long-winded story to tell you the basic, you know, the premise is, yes, you can do it yourself, but if you have specific goals and things, You want to make sure you work with a professional so you can understand the full story and the steps necessary to achieve that goal.
01:39:52
Speaker 2: Got it. So in what respects would you not recommend someone putting something in, you know, creating a will? Because a will is not for everyone, right? I mean, or is it? I don't know. Should there always be a will or a trust?
01:40:07
Speaker 8: Great question. So, okay, I would say... And my colleagues may shoot me and not agree, but that's okay. We can agree, disagree to disagree. But yeah, there are situations where people don't need a will. So say someone says, I have one child and they have three children, but they're not married. Well, the law already says, if you die without a will, I'm going to leave to your one child. And if that child dies, I'm going to leave to those three children. So in that situation, you might say, well, what do I need a will for? I could just go put beneficiaries directly on my account to have my child as a primary and and then the grandchildren as a contingent. But if you come and tell me that your child is married, then I would say, well, you might want to do a will because remember in Indiana law, I said if your child dies and they're married, the law will leave 50% to the spouse and 50% to the grandkids. So if you only wanted your money to go to your grandkids, you would need your will to say that if I die or if my child dies or predeceases me, I want my funds to go directly to the grandkids, not their spouse. I don't want 50% of my money going to their spouse. So there are circumstances when you can get by without a will. And then the last little scenario I'll tell you is if you say you have one child and they have no children, a lot of people say, well... I don't think I need a will. I only got one child. But what if that child dies? Their next in line kin would be who? Their father.
01:41:42
Speaker 5: So if you.
01:41:43
Speaker 8: Don't like your ex or you don't like their father, then you would want to make sure you do a will because even though they don't have any children, you might not like who their next of kin is.
01:41:58
Speaker 2: So the affordability is also an issue with people when it comes to situations like that. How can people maximize affordability with the professionalism that they're going to need, per se, perhaps from a firm like yours?
01:42:19
Speaker 8: Great question. So I think that when it comes to affordability, I think we just need to have a little bit more discernment in our hiring. And what I mean by that is sometimes All attorneys are not created equal, and I think the public would 1,000% agree with that. And so how do you hire the person that you believe is the most competent to help you achieve your goals? One of the things that I try to advise the public to do is don't only focus on what can they do today. Ask them questions about when a death has occurred. Have you administered this? Because a lot of times what I tell my team is, It's very important to see the back end of how this plays out because it will empower you to be a better counselor proactively when they're doing their planning because everybody wants to see with rose-colored glasses. And so it's our job as a professional to play devil's advocate to say, okay, well, what if everything doesn't go as we intend? And so in that situation, when you're hiring a person, if you're getting a trust-based estate plan, if you believe that trust should avoid probate, then you should ask the attorney, well, how many of your trusts have gone through probate? How do you help your clients avoid probate with the trust? If you're getting a will and you know wills go through probate, you need to be asking the attorney, I understand wills go through probate.
01:43:51
Speaker 11: How can you help my.
01:43:52
Speaker 8: Family avoid probate if that's one of my goals? And they should be saying, Well, let's think about putting beneficiaries directly on your account so that the will isn't necessarily needed at your desk. It's just a backup if something should come into play later. And how do you do the affordability piece? Again, is, you know, a lot of estate planning attorneys are flat fee now. So you, again, when you're doing your hiring, you need to make sure you're comparing apples to apples. So like when you go to a trust attorney and, Like myself, the difference between us is our firm, we're going to help you retitle every asset that you have and verify that it's in your trust. You need to be asking if you're going to another attorney, and yes, they may be charging less, but they may be doing less. And so you've got to make sure you understand, well, what am I getting for this fee? If Jennifer's charging this amount, She says she's doing this. She's going to prepare the documents. She's going to recital the documents. We're going to have a family meeting within two years of our clients getting the plan. What are you doing for your fee? So that way you're not penalizing me for charging you more, but I'm giving you more to achieve your goal as opposed to someone down the street says, oh, you said you wanted it. You know, they're treating you like Burger King. You said you wanted a wheel. I gave you a wheel. You left with a wheel and all is right with the world. So you have to, if you want counseling, then you have to be receptive of the fact that you may have to, you may get a free consultation, but you may have to pay for that counseling. And like I said, most people are flat fee. So you just have to make sure, am I comfortable that, the counseling that I'm getting is a fee that I'm willing to accept. And then there are a lot of firms like mine.
01:45:28
Speaker 9: I don't know.
01:45:29
Speaker 8: Well, I don't want to put it out there in the world, but we do payment plans and stuff. So we try to make it digestible and affordable.
01:45:34
Speaker 5: So have you.
01:45:35
Speaker 8: Asked that firm? I really like you. It sounds like you can deliver what I need. Do you have a payment plan option for me?
01:45:43
Speaker 2: Attorney Norton, we are almost out of time, but we do have a caller that has a question. If we can get it in very quickly, let's go ahead and do that. Kevin, very quickly, your question.
01:45:54
Speaker 5: Hey, how you doing, Jennifer? This is Kevin.
01:45:56
Speaker 8: Hi, nice to meet you.
01:45:58
Speaker 6: Hey, two questions.
01:46:00
Speaker 13: One is, could you let us know what's the difference between revocable and irrevocable drugs? And then another was a comment. Me and my wife had sat down, which we actually got our trust through you, and there's a lot of things I didn't realize entailed in that, and it was like in the life planning. So if you can touch on that.
01:46:16
Speaker 5: A little bit.
01:46:17
Speaker 2: Well, within the time we have, okay? Thank you, Kevin.
01:46:20
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to go back.
01:46:21
Speaker 5: Okay, go ahead.
01:46:22
Speaker 8: Thank you, Jennifer. So for revocable versus irrevocable, revocable and the trustee, you are the boss. You can manage your own affairs. When you do irrevocable, however, you don't. You only get to set the terms one time. You don't get to be in charge of the money management moving forward, even though you already set the rules. And so you have to ask permission of someone you trust to serve as the trustee. And then, so the difference between the two is a control factor. And again, we can dive in deeper if y'all want to have me come back. In the life planning, I think a lot of times people, you're correct, they're so focused on the actual inheritance piece. I think the other piece that people need to focus on, one, is... You know, what does that home going services look like? We're trying to get rid of these GoFundMe's and people not being prepared. And so what can what can you do as an individual is one, you can you can nominate who makes decisions at the funeral home. We don't need any more fights about what mom and dad and grandma want from a service standpoint. And it's called a funeral declaration to what services do you want? Funeral, cremation, certain hymns and scriptures. Start laying out your life accomplishments, the organizations you are a part of. Do you want, you know, donations in lieu of flowers? So instead of life planning, there's a lot of drama that's there that can be avoided if we're just a little bit proactive. And then don't forget about the stuff. Again, those special items. Your people are going to lie and say that I don't want anything. you know, have those conversations about is there any item that you want as a memory?
01:47:56
Speaker 2: Your firm and the contact info for folks that want to know more. And we certainly would like to have you back. Go ahead, your firm and your contact info.
01:48:04
Speaker 8: Norton Estate Planning, the elder law firm. Our phone number is 317-572-8696. And you can find us on all forms of social media under estate-planners.org.
01:48:19
Speaker 2: Jennifer Norton. attorney. Thank you so, so very much. A lot of good stuff. I hope you guys got all that in. Thank you for being here. That's all the time we have. We are running short. William Moore jr.
01:48:32
Speaker 8: Is up next.
01:48:32
Speaker 2: We'll talk to you tomorrow.
