Cowboys Will Win the NFC East?! Vikings Stories & NFL Training Camp Takeaways | BOS EP9

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Didn't you have like a like a like an interaction with Harbaugh?
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Yeah.
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Before Was that right?
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Is that am I am I correct on that?
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Yeah, you're correct on that.
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He sent me this pamphlet right here.
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I don't know if you see.
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With you on it?
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With me on it.
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And it charges.
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And it says both winning and friendship.
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You're gonna remain a charger for life.
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It's a gift that keeps on giving.
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Bring it to life.
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So I got sent that, and I'm like, okay, cool.
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Christmas card.
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Yeah, you know, like coach send me send me, you know, I'm in a little memento.
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I'm on it.
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You got me been out of shape.
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Welcome back to Bit Out of Shape.
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We're back in the garage.
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Back at Mama's house.
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It feels crazy.
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We've been on the road for the last couple weeks trying to try to get you guys some good content.
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I know.
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We just wrapped up at camps, man.
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The camp control was fun, though.
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It was fun.
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Start in Minnesota, went to back to LA and then up to Oxnard.
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Got a little inside peek at these teams in their upcoming seasons.
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Talked to some cool dudes, man.
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I mean, between JJ and Bo.
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And um then we went over to no else we have in Minnesota.
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Who am I forgetting?
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Forgetting one, no.
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KO KLC.
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Yeah, KOC.
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Josh Martellis and Eric Wilson.
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Yeah.
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They were great.
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Then in Dallas, we went and saw Kenny Clark and Quinn Williams.
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Um who else?
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Tyler Smith.
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Tyler Smith and DeMarvion Overshawn.
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In LA we had Khalil Mack.
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Honestly, that was my favorite interview.
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I had never met Khalil Mack before like that.
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He's cool, man.
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He's super cool.
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Get the political answers a little out the window.
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It feels like locker room talk a little bit.
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Sure.
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That's the that's kind of the environment the setting we're going for.
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Um, but before we go any further, Eric, what has you been out of shape today?
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What has me been out of shape today?
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Um, have you ever like woke up out of your sleep and then you try to go back to sleep and you you know can't.
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It's a struggle.
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Like you're you're your your intent is there, you're trying to close your eyes, but you just can't really get that restful sleep that you want.
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Well, last night, you know, my son is three, you know what I mean.
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Everyone every once in a while I expect to be woken up from by him.
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I'm not gonna I'm not gonna hold it against him, but that's that was my situation last night for the guy.
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What time uh what time were you up?
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It was two, it happened at two two thirty.
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Oh you know what I mean.
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He he he I mean, not to get into too much details, he beat himself, so I gotta go take care of that.
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You know what I mean?
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We're happens.
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He's potty training right now, so we're handling that.
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Yeah, um, but the important thing was he went back to sleep.
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He was able to, you know, kind of calm down, get get settled down and go back to sleep.
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So that's the important part.
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But dad, you know so you couldn't go back to sleep.
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It was 2 a.m.
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I just grew up.
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And then I just started thinking about because I had a I had a I had a 6 a.m.
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workout.
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So it was like I had a couple more hours of sleep.
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So it kind of like interrupted it, and then it was kind of like I was thinking about my day and the things I had to get done.
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My mind was racing a little bit.
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Damn night.
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Let your father sleep.
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No, no, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay.
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Let him sleep.
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It's okay.
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It's okay.
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I you know, I don't mind it.
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It's only he's only gonna be that young for that long.
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But at the same time, I'm a little sleepy, a little tired today.
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A little bit out of shape.
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How dare he?
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Um I will say what has me been out of shape today.
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I the other day was ordering DoorDash or Uber Eats, whatever, and I just want like a like a healthy, quick little something, something.
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And so Air One, first thing that pops up.
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Air one, for those of you that don't know what Air One is, it's like a supermarket here in uh California.
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I think it's only in California.
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I don't know, it could be elsewhere, but it's like very expensive.
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It's the most expensive grocery store.
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Let's call it that.
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And I understand kind of why it's like organic allegedly, and um this the way the store is set up is super, it's nice.
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It's like feels nice to walk in there.
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It does.
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It's uh it's like you're going to a club or it's beautiful.
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I mean, it's very aesthetically pleasing for sure.
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And honestly, the food that they provide is good, it's good, they got good stuff.
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I'm not gonna lie, and the portions are respectful, you know.
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But I ordered, I want a smoothie, and I was big on the Haley Bieber smoothie.
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I actually really liked it.
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Super good.
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I'm not sure it was very healthy for you because it was just like very sweet.
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It's all organic though, allegedly.
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But then I the first thing that comes up is the new Sydney Sweeney smoothie.
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I'm like, okay, let me try it.
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And I'm like, you know, put it in my car, don't even think twice about it.
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And I go check out, I look at the price, it was like$27 for a smoothie.
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Is that before the delivery fees and everything?
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That's but that's just the flat.
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That's just to get in the door.
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And I was like, hold on, hold on.
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How is this so expensive?
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Like, what is in it to make it so expensive?
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Let me read you off some of what was in it because I've never heard of half these things.
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Um, so the blueberry syrn siren, maybe by Sydney Sweeney, malk organic almond milk, banangua banana water, code de G vitamins.
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I'm gonna butcher a lot of these because I've never heard of half this stuff.
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Ancient nutrition vanilla bone broth protein, organic blueberry muffin crumbles, organic coconut bacon, grass-fed A2 Way, organic blueberries, organic asai, organic banana, organic.
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Organic blueberry crumbles sounds crazy.
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It was, I mean, no, it was I ordered it.
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Let's let's let's uh let's let's get that on paper.
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I did purchase it and it was a little bit of a waste, but it was really good.
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But just the price, you can buy like four dozen eggs for that amount of money.
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You can go buy five gallons of gas, maybe like one gallon out here in California.
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But I felt a little irresponsible.
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It wasn't very economical, but I wanted smoothie and I got it.
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And the price had me bad shape.
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But you know, it's okay.
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It's okay, man.
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It happens.
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Um, but yeah, so should we recap our training camp visit?
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Yeah, Minnesota.
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Yeah, let's talk, let's talk about Minnesota.
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It was good to go back home.
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We've seen, you know, we saw a lot of your guys' comments.
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You know what I mean?
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We appreciate your feedback.
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Yeah, thanks for watching, by the way.
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I'm glad you guys are enjoying it.
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We're having fun with it.
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Uh yeah, where should we start?
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Well, let's start with our uh first interview, Brian O'Neill.
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So, obviously, the leader of that offensive line, and he mentioned like health will be a big factor for them this season, and that's gonna be um common for all teams in all position groups.
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Um he also mentioned they have a new coach, coach, position coach, which is also gonna be a little bit of a factory.
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New terminology.
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But that but that that that's like that could be good, or you know, yeah.
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I don't say I don't want to say bad, but it could be good.
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For sure.
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It could be good, a really good thing.
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Absolutely.
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And I think we obviously discovered that he's uh the best basketball player in Delaware in state history, and and you need he needs to be have a play ran for him as well, and he's an offensive threat.
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So um obviously great catch up with him and uh could talk to him with KO.
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I thought he was very accommodating with his time given his schedule.
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Like being an NFL head coach, I think is like one of the hardest jobs in the world.
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I I I I couldn't agree more.
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I feel like like do you think being a head coach or being a quarterback is harder?
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Like physically, obviously, like quarterback is hard, dude.
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Quarterback is really hard.
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I feel like head coach, you're responsible for so much, so many things that are out of your control, but also like have you seen those those like pictures of the presidents before they get into office and it shows how much they age over the course of their time here in president?
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Yeah, like coaches have a little bit of that too.
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Like, oh, for sure.
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You're not on top of it, like coaches will have that.
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It's a stressful job.
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It's just stressful.
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And I think what makes it so stressful, other than obviously like the high pressure and uh the spotlight being on you all the time, is you have to deal with so much more than just football, it's all the political stuff that comes into play with it, right?
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Oh, for sure.
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Um, being available for media, and you have to like talk in a certain way, and like coach speak is like a big thing for them.
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And it's like how I feel like it's rare to get the true authentic like side of a coach.
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And I feel like we kind of just yeah, I feel like I feel like we started off with the inside joke that like from his from his daughter for sure.
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And it kind of broke the walls down, and then from then on it was just kind of like, yeah, we asked some football questions, yeah, that but like too much on that generally having fun with the interview.
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Yeah, yeah, I agree, I couldn't agree more.
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And it was uh it was cool to see.
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I think you gotta see KO's personality, and he's actually like an awesome guy.
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Like he's he's he's one of the guys that I feel like would be our boys if he was in the locker room, you know, like one of the quarterbacks that like Mac Jones.
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You were saying, like a super cool dude.
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I bet him and KO would be like best friends because I have like a similar uh they have like a similar vibe to him.
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And he's tall, he's super tall.
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Like he's huge, yeah.
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Oh, I was looking eye to eye with him.
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I'm like, damn, okay.
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He's tall, bro.
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Yeah, and then obviously JJ is just like JJ's just so cool.
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But it was also good to have him in an interview, like I mean, like think about how many interviews he does on a daily basis.
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Like, you kind of get into that routine of like touching on this, touching on that.
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And then, yeah, but it's like to like ask him about spy kids and his and his jewelry and stuff like that.
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Right, things that he really enjoyed.
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Super fun.
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And I feel like JJ would always, when I was when he we were my teammate, like he wasn't like super vocal, and he would just talk in like phrases, like you wouldn't you wouldn't you could never get like a full sentence out of him, or like uh you know, a bunch of a bunch of words, and he he is just like he's just like one of the coolest guys, yeah.
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Like obviously his aesthetic has changed and his diamond teeth and his like swag, but then like on just a personal level, he's just like a nice, like yeah, easy going, loves his family, loves videos.
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Yeah, his family's cool too, loves basketball.
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Like he's just one a normal dude, but he's just like a super talented and like the best at his position.
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So well, it's you know, it was my second time back in Minnesota since I got cut.
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It was your what you've been back a couple times.
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I go I go a few times a year.
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I was very comfortable with this this this go-around, which we kind of touched on a little bit at the end of the Brian on the shout out to the Vikings organization for the access and the accommodations that they provided because that was first class, yeah.
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First class or always has been, but uh going from the Vikings to the Chargers, that was my first time visiting the Chargers since they cut me.
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And I was know this, but like I went from Vikings, Chargers, Cowboys, Niners, like lots of lots of coaching staff changes amongst all that, you know what I mean?
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Didn't you have like a like a like an interaction with Harbaugh?
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Yeah.
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Before was that right?
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Is that my am I am I correct on that?
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Yeah, you're correct on that.
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Do you want to touch on that at all?
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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So like he hit me up.
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We're like, oh, you want to let's let's let's chat, you know, let's let's get so I actually went into the to the uh facilities, the oldest.
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And when was this?
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Let's set the stage, like when what time what was the timeline on this?
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It was before I got cut.
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So I mean March, early March or like late February.
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They're gonna be able to get up.
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So they just got hired, okay, and it was kind of like, hey, he wanted to talk to me.
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Um come in and talk, or I, you know, I hit him up.
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What's up, coach?
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Let's go, let's chat.
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Yeah.
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I went into the locker room or meet him in his office, kind of met some of the staff.
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I don't think they had hired anybody yet.
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They didn't have they didn't have to hire the GM or anything like that.
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Yeah, and as soon as I got there, he was like, Hey, do you want to go work out?
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With him?
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Yeah, bro.
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Crazy.
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He was like, You want to go work out?
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And I'm like, damn, I already had like a workout in my head, but I'm like, Hell no, I don't want to work out.
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Who cares?
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Let's work it out.
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Come on, let's do it.
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You can't be going too hard.
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So I'm like, let's, yeah, you're old.
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So that's why I was thinking, like, man, I hope they don't try to just kill me or like see where my see where I'm at right now.
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But went in there, workout was solid, crushed it.
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But it was just good to like, you know, yeah, break bread with him essentially.
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You know, um, we worked out, and then I remember somewhere along the lines, like I got a text message.
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It was like a couple uh I wish I could bring it up.
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Where was it from?
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Was it from him?
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It was from him.
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Okay, but it had like post-workout, it had like the pillars, like something like the Harbaugh 5 or something.
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It was something like that.
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Like, let me let me pull it up.
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The foundation of the Chargers.
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Well, for those of you that don't know much about Harbaugh, and I don't know a whole lot about him either, but he has like the memory of an elephant.
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He's a like he can remember and recall almost anything.
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Because I went to go stop by Chargers practice last year at some point, and I was walking through the meeting rooms and he was there.
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And I kind of walked by and I was like, What's up?
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Like, coach, I didn't think he would remember.
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He was like, Oh, Anthony Barr, like, how's it going, man?
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How are you doing?
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Like, how's life?
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And I'm like, Wow, you like you remember?
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He's like, How's your mom doing?
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Tell her we all you know we we almost had you at Stanford, and I'm like, damn, coach, like you really recall this.
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He's like, Oh, yeah, man.
00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:22.320
Like, I I remember almost all of my interactions with with former players, so uh just his uh personality and his ability to still connect with players, even that never played for him, I think is really cool.
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So I can imagine the guys in locker room think similar things of him.
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Yeah, so like piggyback off my stuff.
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Go back to the story.
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No, good, no, you're you're absolutely right.
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Sidebar.
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No, that's that's that's totally him to a T.
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And like we talked about my recruiting.
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We talked about my recruiting.
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It's like weird how much he remembers.
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Yeah, my recruiting, like when he went to Stanford to go see him, all the XYZ, my aunt was there, my mom was there, same thing, same story.
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Okay, but he sent me this pamphlet right here.
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I don't know if you see with you on it, with me on it.
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And it charges, and it says both winning and friendship.
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You're gonna remain a charger for life.
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It's a gift that keeps on giving.
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Bring it to life.
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You know what I mean?
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So I got sent that, and I'm like, okay, cool.
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Christmas card.
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Yeah, you know, like don't you send me send me the you know, I'm in a little memento.
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I'm on the team.
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Have you bothered up to him?
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I have not been.
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You haven't had a chance to see him?
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Honestly, I'm not gonna be able to.
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I wish you would have ran into him.
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I know there's funny as hell.
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But remember, remember when we got there?
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Like, that was anyway.
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My it was my first time back at Chargers Camp, and it was and it was, I feel like the Vikings camp kind of broke the ice for me, but like Chargers Camp is a brand new facility too.
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So, like, yeah, you're gonna be able to do that.
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But it's like I I have a bunch of friends on on all the rosters still, and it's it was a lot of fun.
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Um, but I saw him like doing an interview when we pulled up in the thing, and I just gave him like a little peace on it like that, and then he was just kind of like, like, what are you doing?
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He kind of gave it back to me.
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Didn't I cut your ass?
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He kind of was like, What are you doing here?
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Like, did someone bring you back to Jim?
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You're still alive.
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Are you coming back for a try-out or something?
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Nah.
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But it was it was hilarious.
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No, they like like said, had a bunch of friends on team.
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They they had the organization treated us well.
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They put they give us little.
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But they were super accommodating too.
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And like you were mentioning just how important it was to maintain like strong relationships with all organization members from like PR department to uh strength coaches to whatever uh training room uh staff.
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And so being able to go back to a place and like pull from those relationships is so important because of how you treated them and how they treated you while you were there.
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Yeah, I like I didn't know the I didn't like I just was just cool with people.
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You know, I was cool with people, I tried to, you know, do right by people, what's up, you know, have a good relationship with people.
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And I didn't know we were gonna start this.
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I didn't know we were gonna be traveling back to these camps and doing what we were doing.
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So, like to have those people that like I had a relationship that you know not only looked out for me when I was on the team with them, but like to now still look out for me when I'm when I'm not on the team, it's just like thank you guys so much.
00:14:44.559 --> 00:14:49.279
I mean, yeah, charges that you guys didn't have to do any of that, and it was it was first class.
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We we appreciate it, we love it.
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The facilities are dope, and to pay it back on the cowboys too.
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Like, you know, they we went out to Oxnard, like no, just drove up, smooth little drive, yeah.
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They showed here, we're we're it was like, where can we set up like oh come on to the field?
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Yeah, and we're like, Oh, should we like wait for a practice window to film?
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Like, no, you could film whatever you want.
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I'm like, damn, okay, well, these guys are super cool.
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And their PR staff was already always good, and they have a lot of similar um people that were in the office and in the building when I was there, probably when you were there.
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They keep a lot of their guys around for sure.
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And I think that um that familiarity and those relationships obviously proved um helpful for us.
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And it was good, and it was like that was my favorite part of like visiting these camps, was just like running into my old teammates, people who I you know I may have brushed shoulders with for one year, but it was like, oh yeah, like we were in the trenches together, or like somebody impact enough to where they wanted to say what's up to you.
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Yeah, my like my I saw my locker mate from Dallas, and I'm like, bro, like that was my locker mate.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, yeah, I saw my locker mate in multiple places, like yeah, and it was just so cool to have that relationship with those guys.
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And then, you know, now we're going to interview people, and it's yeah, being able to talk to like KL or KC, uh Kenny Clark, who is on one of our boys, and seeing like he's he seemed very comfortable, like he was at peace, you know.
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Like he, I think last year was a difficult year for him transitioning from Green Bay and like having been at Green Bay his whole career, and then you know, right before the season started, getting traded to Dallas was probably just a whirlwind and hard for him to get settled.
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I can't imagine just showing up, you know, third week of August.
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Like, here's your new team, here's your new playbook, you know, go figure it out.
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And now he has a whole offseason under his belt.
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Same with uh Quentin Williams.
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That's so important.
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And now that they're both uh had a full year of offseason in Dallas and are comfortable with uh the playbook, the staff, the guys around them.
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I think Dallas is gonna be uh I know they're gonna be good.
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They're pretty.
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I mean, you look around, you know, you like you see you.
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I know you want to do better than last year.
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Like it's obvious, it's obviously they want to do better than last year, but like seriously, like if they do better on defense than last year, like and I don't see, like you said, with the with their interior D lineman, just kind of like on the start of the season of how they had last year, compared to like for sure, having a full year together and with the with the new team.
00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:53.120
Healthy demo, dude.
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Yeah, that's the rookie Caleb Down, signing Von Miller, like and your boy from uh the Niners, uh, the other linebacker?
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Oh, yeah, uh D Winters.
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D winters.
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He looked like he was having a great practice.
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So he's a great athlete.
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A healthy uh Daron Bland.
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Like the Cowboys, in my opinion, and I people are gonna probably not like this, but they're going to win the NFC East.
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I I'm taking them over the Eagles, the Redskins, Commanders, sorry, and who's the other team in that division?
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The Giants.
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I think all those teams were gonna be improved this year, but I think the Cowboys have really like a good thing going.
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I think especially when they just put up numbers on offense, like and Dak is my is the best quarterback in that division.
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He's he's gonna he has weapons around him, their offensive line is nasty, super good.
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Bro, their whole starting five are guys.
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That's what I was like, and I and I I mean you always hear the talk in the offseason, the buzz, but like we were leaving the camp and we were just kind of like, oh damn.
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Like these guys are they looked apart, yeah, for sure.
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And even like guys on the staff, the training staff were like, our guys we got looking like this, and we're doing this, and like, I'm okay.
00:17:50.079 --> 00:17:53.440
You guys change a little things, even the way they're they're they're they're kind of rolling with a little bit of confidence.
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Yeah, the strength coach is like, we've changed some things, A B.
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Like, we've done this, and that you would really like what we're doing now.
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I'm like, cool, like modernize and use analytics and X, Y, and Z.
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And on the in the same breath, I think the same goes for the Minnesota Vikings in terms of their defense was top 10, top five last year, maybe even offense below average.
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Yeah, if they're offense and they're getting marginal better quarterback play, I think they're gonna be a playoff team.
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Like, if if Kyler can just be average, he doesn't have to be spectacular.
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If he could just manage the game, not turn the ball over and get the ball to 18, I think the Vikings are gonna be a very good team this year.
00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:31.759
And then to piggyback off the you know, Chargers, we we talked about Mike McDaniels in some of our interviews as well.
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And it's like his impact on the team.
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We don't, we don't, you know, sky's the limit, essentially.
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Well, yeah, I mean, he was his first year in Miami kind of took the league by storm with their their offense, and two was going crazy, Tyreek was going crazy, Waddle was going dumb.
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And now he has arguably, I don't think it's an argument, a better quarterback than Justin Herbert, who's a you know top 10, top 15 quarterback.
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They just lost their center.
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Yeah, that's the thing with them.
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They have terrible every year.
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It seems like that.
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Them and uh the Niners, it seems like they're always battling injuries.
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But uh, I think they with the new uh DC and the their pieces on defense with Khalil, with Derwin, with Dayon, they're gonna be right up there.
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And I mean, with them, Denver and Casey.
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That's a tough division.
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That might be the best division of football.
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That's a tough division.
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The Rangers are gonna be improved too.
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Yeah, that's a tough division.
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100%.
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Well, it is that time of year where preseason is ending, roster cuts are around the corner.
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We were both fortunate to never really be on the bubble of any any team that we were on during during camp.
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During camp, you know, not the not the postseason bubble, but the preseason bubble.
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For sure, which can be stressful for a lot of guys.
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Oh, yeah.
00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:42.799
There's a lot of competition going on, preseason games, practices are probably determining a little more of your status on the team, I would say, than preseason games.
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They do want to see you perform in the preseason, obviously.
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But what do you have any like roster cut memories that you can think of dating back to your time in Minnesota or Dallas or um the Chargers like that kind of stand out that you were like, Wow, how did this guy not make the team?
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Or dang they cut that guy?
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Like, because it is a it is a there's I will say this always gonna be a surprise cut or guy that you're just like sure what we just how do we cut and it's typically cap casualty, you know, typically uh a money, a money issue.
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And then there's guys on the team are just like how'd you make it?
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How?
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Yeah, like you know what I mean.
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Like, I know so-and-so got cut, I know so-and-so got cut, yeah, but you kind of made it.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It's kind of like always like it's kind of always weird.
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You don't know how they choose, and no, you don't, you're not we're not in those rooms.
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Maybe, maybe I and sometimes I feel like it comes down to you have five linebackers, you have three tight ends, you have four versus versus being like, let's get the best players on a roster, yeah, and however that may happen, we'll just deal with it.
00:20:42.559 --> 00:20:43.119
Yeah, it's a good point.
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Sometimes it's based on the like, I think literally numbers of like how we're gonna we're gonna break that down.
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But I remember like, I mean, one of the guys that we talked about, I mean, we had on the show, Eric Wilson.
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I remember his preseason was unreal, but I think that's so hard, huh?
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Did we cut him?
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No, we didn't cut him.
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Okay, bye.
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But I'm just saying, like, that would have been foolish.
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But it but he like his his preseason performance was like what solidified him is like, okay, he's a guy.
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He's he could play.
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Teamer, and it's so hard for some guys because the reps are so limited, and you have there's there's so many depth at certain positions, so you may get one or two or three reps per period at times, yeah, if that, and then you get thrown into these games and you're expecting the the the fall-off can't be there can't be no fall off.
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You gotta keep riding.
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So, like I've seen some guys like rise to the occasion, but it's it's it's it's an uphill battle, man.
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I agree.
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And I I think for guys on the bubble, like the saving grace, I would say, is everyone's always watching.
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Like there's gonna be a team in a whole different division, a whole you could be a northeast team playing, you know, and be looking at a guy from like Seattle and be like, wow, like we had a joint practice with this team, and this guy really stood out.
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If they cut him, let's keep him on our radar and we're gonna pick him up.
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Like, your film is your resume forever.
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And that's e that's practice film, that's game film, that's preseason film, and GMs and coaches alike are they're scouring for guys.
00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:05.200
Bro, what what's the dude from he's on Detroit now?
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I can't even read his name.
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Isn't he Christian?
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Position.
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He was a linebacker.
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Ellis.
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Oh, yeah, he was on the Patriots.
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Christian.
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Was he on the Patriots?
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I think he was on the Patriots last year.
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Yeah.
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Patriots.
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He played like a big big role for them.
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But I remember in Minnesota, no, no, no.
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It was no room for him.
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Lil Zim was not messing with him.
00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:23.759
No, and it was like he was like, man, he's kind of fumping.
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Yeah, he's kind of sliding too.
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He's kind of running to the ball.
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Uh-huh.
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He's I'm in the weight room with him.
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He's lifting more than everybody.
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I'm like, this guy's kind of a stud.
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Got cut, you know, bounces way around rosters, I'm sure.
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Yeah.
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And now he was on the Patriots blasting.
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He was the Super Bowl, blasted that dude's cut the color off the dude's helmet.
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In the situations like that that happen all the time that people just don't realize.
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Like, you could be, you'd be like, how did he was on this team and now he got cut and now he's on this team?
00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:50.240
Like, how did they not keep him?
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Yeah.
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But it's always like it didn't fit this.
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Yeah, it didn't fit the scheme, or sometimes it changes scenery.
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Yeah.
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All guy needs.
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I remember we had like it felt like a foreign exchange program when we drafted, I think, Mobo, Moeritz Bobo, remember the receiver?
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Yep.
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We drafted him over J-Ron Kurz, which is no idea how that happened.
00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:10.079
J-Ron was a fantastic player.
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Juvon Kurz's cousin.
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Fantastic football player.
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To that expect.
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The train.
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Yeah.
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Just I mean, 6'5, like 220 pounds, could fly, could hit, could he was a great player.
00:23:19.039 --> 00:23:19.599
He could run, bro.
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Absolutely.
00:23:20.559 --> 00:23:25.440
But we we, I think it was like a I don't know what the situation, like an NFL international program.
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He got drafted.
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Yeah.
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Sixth round.
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But he was not an NFL player by any means.
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We got he got to practice training camp.
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I remember the first stretch lines, the warm-up lines.
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Getting absolutely clamped, bro.
00:23:35.440 --> 00:23:37.119
And just watch, yeah, watching him warm up.
00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:38.640
I was like, damn.
00:23:38.799 --> 00:23:40.319
Like same arm, same leg, A skip.
00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:42.240
I was like, damn, we don't even, they don't even want the same thing.
00:23:42.400 --> 00:23:43.519
This does not even coordinate it.
00:23:43.599 --> 00:23:45.519
You know, like he's supposed to be an NFL receiver.
00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:46.640
And then he made the team.
00:23:46.799 --> 00:23:47.920
He was fast as hell, though.
00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:48.480
He could run.
00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:49.119
He could run.
00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:50.400
He was he was a blur.
00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:51.680
I'll give you that.
00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:52.720
He could he was sliding.
00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:55.359
He was at the position, you gotta catch the rock.
00:23:55.519 --> 00:23:56.319
You gotta do a lot of stuff.
00:23:56.400 --> 00:23:59.279
He was always we have the mobile counter in the room, bro.
00:23:59.440 --> 00:23:59.599
Remember?
00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:01.359
Hate to put you on blast mobile.
00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:02.160
You're a great dude.
00:24:02.319 --> 00:24:03.839
But you couldn't catch the rock for shit.
00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:08.240
And we even had a chart in our tallies, our room of how many drops.
00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:13.039
And he had like 40 drops within like three weeks of practice.
00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:14.240
And then he made the team.
00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:17.759
We're just like, how the but they don't count against they don't count against the roster.
00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:18.400
Is that what it was?
00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:18.640
Right?
00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:18.960
I don't know.
00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:19.200
Okay.
00:24:19.279 --> 00:24:20.319
Well, if that if that was the case.
00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:21.599
But if they're drafted, do they?
00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:22.160
I don't know.
00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:23.839
I mean, he got a he got a bonus.
00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:24.960
He got he got paid.
00:24:25.039 --> 00:24:25.759
He got paid like it.
00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:27.759
So I would assume they got counted against the roster.
00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:31.519
But there are is there are situations like that where roster cuts are are stressful time.
00:24:31.599 --> 00:24:37.759
And it's just it's kind of a sad time because you you build relationships with these guys during training camp or OTAs or whatever, and then the next day they're just gone.
00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:39.440
Even there's you may never see them again.
00:24:39.519 --> 00:24:44.880
And there's always talented people who literally there's always talented guys who should be on an LF NFL roster who don't make it.
00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:57.599
So like I know it's cliche, but like there, it always happens, and it's always like you never know how it's gonna happen or what the judgment issue is gonna be, whether it's the mental aspect of it, physical aspect of it.
00:24:57.759 --> 00:24:58.319
They don't.
00:24:58.480 --> 00:25:00.799
I mean, I tell people this all the time.
00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:05.359
Sometimes it's just about going into the meeting room and getting along with everybody.
00:25:05.680 --> 00:25:16.640
If you can get along with the coaches, the players next to you, shoot a couple jokes, make it laugh, be serious when you need to be serious, lock in, answer your questions correctly, and just be a like a glue guy, a team guy.
00:25:16.720 --> 00:25:17.440
Yeah, like that's right.
00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:19.920
Guys like being around you, and that could be the difference.
00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:28.559
Like, if you have a guy who's an asshole or like isn't doing something right here, but is more talented, they'll take the guy who they rather be around to be in the same situation that's a good idea.
00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:29.039
That's real.
00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:30.960
Play the pol play politics, right?
00:25:31.039 --> 00:25:34.960
So it's it's just like it's like going, it's like when you was in college and you went to your TAs, right?
00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:43.200
And you're like, let's just go to the office hours and let's just smooth over to a teacher because I don't know shit about this class, but if he knows I'm trying and knows I care enough and he likes me, he'll give me a C.
00:25:43.279 --> 00:25:43.519
I'll pass.
00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:46.799
That's just that's that's real spill right there.
00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:54.000
I also think um we needed to talk about some of these comments that we've been receiving on our on our posts, our YouTube uh posts.
00:25:54.240 --> 00:26:01.759
Yeah, there's been a lot of good uh, I would say maybe not criticism, but some criticisms, but um questions and um support.
00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:05.920
So we also want to address some of the stuff that you guys have been asking and talking about.
00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:10.000
One of the questions was a collaboration with the O-line committee.
00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:12.640
So, O-line committee, if you're listening, Mr.
00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:13.279
Boone, Mr.
00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:13.680
Searle.
00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:14.720
What's up, boys?
00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:19.200
Um funny story about Alex Boone, my locker mate, by the way.
00:26:19.599 --> 00:26:25.200
I I bring that term up a lot during this podcast, but locker mate is a special relationship, so you're gonna keep hearing about it.
00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:26.720
You spent a lot of time with those guys.
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:27.759
Dude, you spent a lot of time.
00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:35.359
And I remember one time um I was getting interviewed about my father, me and my father's relationship, and kind of like my upbringing with him.
00:26:35.440 --> 00:26:50.079
And not to get into too many details, but it was a super personal story, and you know, you look it up or whatever, but this reporter had saw the story and kind of came at me on the aggressive side, kind of like on the disrespectful side.
00:26:50.400 --> 00:27:05.200
And I kind of was just sitting there, it was post-practice, and I was kind of in this like this haze where I was kind of like getting, I was getting a little bit upset, but also I didn't want to give him too much of a reaction at the time because he was that's what he was kind of like I don't it seemed like that's what he was aiming for.
00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:10.799
And my dog Boone next to me, he's he's he stood up and took the charge for me, man.
00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:11.440
Did he really?
00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:17.119
He stood up and was like, get the he was just like he was like, get out of here with that BS.
00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:17.839
Are you kidding me?
00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:34.160
Like that's what like and and like for so for me for him to be listening, first of all, I didn't know he was listening, but for him to be listening and for him to step up for me and handle that for me, so I don't have to say it, so he can't get the you know, the sound bite off of me or whatever he was trying to that's a good teammate right there.
00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:35.279
That's a good team, that's a real dude.
00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:36.960
So now let's do the collab, yeah.
00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:37.279
For sure.
00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:42.720
And Jeremiah, so as I remember, we played y'all when we were uh at UCLA, played Nebraska up in Nebraska.
00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:43.279
We won.
00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:43.839
We won.
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:46.319
We were down like 24 to 3 a half or something crazy.
00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:49.680
And I remember second half, the whole O line was talking insane to me.
00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:58.000
They were saying, I'm not gonna say what they were saying, but they were saying some really disrespectful things to the point where I was just like, I couldn't even focus on the game, bro.
00:27:58.079 --> 00:28:01.359
I was like, these guys are so far in my head, I can't believe the things I'm hearing.
00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:04.240
I've never heard this stuff in any capacity, let alone the football field.
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:08.000
But then also like turned me up a little bit, and I ended up uh turning up and playing really well that game.
00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:09.599
But but Sir's always a good dude, too.
00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:15.599
Swing player could play center, could play tackle, could play guard, and uh just one of those guys you always kind of rely on.
00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:21.279
Uh so Olain, if y'all want to collab with some LBs, holler at us.
00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:24.799
Um I know you guys want to get Harry on the podcast.
00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:25.279
We got you.
00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:28.559
Harry, Linval, I think I think Sendejo, Everson.
00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:30.079
Yeah, there's a lot of requests.
00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:31.279
Zay Rhodes.
00:28:31.519 --> 00:28:33.839
Xavier Rhodes, like we got y'all.
00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:38.160
I actually mentioned it to Harry, and he was just like, like, yeah, I'll get there at some point.
00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:39.200
You know, I know how he is.
00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:41.359
It's just kind of like, yeah, yeah, we'll figure it out.
00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:45.200
Didn't give me any type of time frame, but it's coming.
00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:46.960
He'll do it for sure at some point.
00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:48.000
Oh, yeah, I have another.
00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:49.920
Hold on, let me let me read this other one.
00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:52.400
I really love the new podcast, guys.
00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:58.160
I'm a huge 14-year-old Vikings fan, and I've dedicated my whole bedroom to the Vikings.
00:28:59.039 --> 00:28:59.519
That's right.
00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:00.400
I'm Aiden.
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:02.960
Is there any way I can get a shout-out on the future show?
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:04.640
Well, Aiden, wow, what's up, dog?
00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:06.160
It's your lucky day, brother.
00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:07.200
What's up, Aiden?
00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:08.720
Shout out to support.
00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:09.680
Thanks for watching, man.
00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:10.160
For sure.
00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:11.119
We got a bright future.
00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:13.440
You're you're a smart kid watching the podcast and comedy.
00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:16.640
What what's what's what's in this Vikings uh room of yours, man?
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:20.079
But we've also had a lot of requests about Coach Zim.
00:29:20.559 --> 00:29:22.480
I feel like he's a popular topic.
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:24.319
And rightfully so.
00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:26.079
He was a polarizing figure.
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:33.279
Um I think every guy that we've kind of interviewed that has played for him has had good things to say.
00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:36.400
There's also some stuff that could have done differently.
00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:40.799
You know, I think one of the things that we hear a lot about is the fear-based culture comments that you made.
00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:44.960
I think uh 2020 season, maybe after the 2020 season, 2020.
00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:46.240
I think it was 2020 season.
00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:48.240
It was his last year.
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:51.119
I was in Dallas in 22, so maybe 21.
00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:52.079
Yeah.
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:55.839
Um, after it was after COVID, and then we played a season.
00:29:56.880 --> 00:29:57.440
It was last year.
00:29:57.599 --> 00:29:57.759
Yeah.
00:29:58.160 --> 00:30:04.400
And for whatever reason, you know, you have your your reasons for saying what you said, and that will be addressed at some point.
00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:06.559
It will be addressed at some point today.
00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:09.920
You know, I think it's better to say we made amends.
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:11.680
We played in we were in Dallas together.
00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:19.920
One thing I also want to mention is there's been some discussion on touching on the five and oh's when we started five and oh in 2016, I think it was.
00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:21.039
Yeah, I'm down to talk about that.
00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:24.000
And then um I'll talk about the the fear-based stuff a little bit later.
00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:25.680
Yeah, five and oh though, I'm down.
00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:28.640
But let's let's back it up, let's start, let's back it up for a second.
00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:39.680
How important it is to kind of get off to a fast start and to kind of set the tone for the season, but also in the same breath, starting off poorly is not is it's not the end of the world either.
00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:43.680
No, there's been plenty of teams that start 02, 03, 04, 05, maybe not.
00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:45.119
But oh five, you probably cooked.
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:46.160
You're probably fried.
00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:52.000
But you can also start poorly and have a great kind of mid to end of the season.
00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:55.279
But in our case, we started hot, five and all at the gates.
00:30:55.920 --> 00:30:58.400
Honestly, we I felt like we were like, oh, we're gonna win every game.
00:30:58.559 --> 00:30:59.920
Oh, the confidence was through the roof.
00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:02.720
And then we had a bye week.
00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:04.640
Oh bro, no, we had a meeting before the bye week.
00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:05.680
Meeting before the bye week.
00:31:05.920 --> 00:31:07.759
Let's talk about the the first five games, right?
00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:11.680
We went to Tennessee, and that's when you had pick six, pick six.
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:12.640
Daniil had a touchdown.
00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:13.200
Touchdown.
00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:16.079
Then I think we went to or I think we were home again.
00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:17.039
We had Green Bay.
00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:17.680
That was Green Bay.
00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:18.480
First game in US Bay.
00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:18.880
First bank.
00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:19.839
First game in US Bank.
00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:20.160
Yes.
00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:21.039
Trey Wayne's played.
00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:22.160
Trey Wayne's got a pick.
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:23.599
That was big, that was electric game.
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:23.759
Yes.
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:24.559
Electric game.
00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:25.839
Damn, who was after that?
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:27.279
Game three.
00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:28.640
I can't remember the next.
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:31.599
I remember the fifth game was against the Texans against Brock Oswald.
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:32.720
Destroyed them.
00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:33.680
They had no chance.
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:35.440
And then we had that meeting before.
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:37.519
Do we play the Panthers somewhere in there?
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:38.480
Yes, we played the Panthers.
00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:40.799
I remember that game.
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:42.079
There was a game in the middle.
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:42.480
I don't know.
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:43.359
There was a game in the middle.
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:46.079
But we used to, we used to we used to strap the Panthers, I feel like.
00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:48.160
Yeah, we've had some good battles with the Panthers.
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:49.279
That's kind of a hard place to play.
00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:49.680
It is.
00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:51.440
It's like sneaky hard place to play.
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:56.079
But anyway, I remember we went into a meeting before bye week.
00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:57.759
And you know, bring it up.
00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:01.279
Hey, you you kind of go over these are our first, these are our first five games.
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:06.720
This is our this is our performance, whether it's good or bad, these are things we can do better, these are things we want to fix after the bye.
00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:08.000
Yada yada yada.
00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:08.640
You get the point.
00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:14.000
But I remember we had a coach, an online coach, Tony Sperano.
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:14.559
Yeah.
00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:15.440
Rest in peace.
00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:18.240
God rest his soul.
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:19.759
Rest in peace, Tony Sperano.
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:24.400
Um, but he came in front of the team, and I remember this was the weirdest.
00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:29.680
Like, I remember just being like, why are we having this meeting right now?
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:36.480
And the meeting was based off of the teams that went undefeated to start the season and didn't make the playoffs.
00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:41.519
So it was like, he basically was giving us a foreshadowed our presentation.
00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:49.119
I swear to God, he's basically giving us a presentation on how not to lose, like, after starting undefeated.
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:49.359
Yes.
00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:52.319
Or like, or like the teams that lost after starting undefeated.
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:55.359
Like, hey, yes, these are the teams that started undefeated and didn't make the playoffs.
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:56.400
It was almost like a negative.
00:32:56.880 --> 00:32:57.680
It can happen to you.
00:32:57.920 --> 00:32:59.680
Yes, like we're riding Higher 510.
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:02.240
Why are we introducing any like negativity at all?
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:12.640
When you come back and you start losing, everyone got nervous, everyone got super tense.
00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:13.440
Real quick.
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:14.400
Then we had the buy.
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:16.400
And it's like you're gonna like the NFL's so hard.
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:22.640
Like, and so like you losing a game, obviously, you don't want to lose ever, but like you losing a game after winning five in a row.
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:27.680
Yeah, like most most teams will take that trade-off of if you take that that trajectory through the whole season.
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:31.039
So it's like, but I feel like once we lost one game, it was kind of like, oh, dang.
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:33.440
And that first game we lost was and in Philly.
00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:33.680
Yeah.
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:34.319
Went to Philly.
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:35.599
Carson Wentz was there.
00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:41.119
We had, I think, a bunch of turnovers on defense or on offense, and we gave up a uh kick return touchdown.
00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:41.519
Yeah, Huff.
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:41.920
Huff.
00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:43.279
Joshuff or something like that.
00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:44.079
Bryce Huff?
00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:44.640
Josh Huff.
00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:45.680
Maybe Bryce Huff.
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:46.079
Joshuff.
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:46.400
I don't know.
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:46.799
Huff.
00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:49.359
He uh 98 yards to the crib on us.
00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:52.319
And we didn't they could we only give up 13 points on offense.
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:54.079
But who when we lost another one, right?
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:55.279
Yeah, well, that was the game.
00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:55.839
That was the first game.
00:33:57.039 --> 00:33:59.200
And then we lost to the Bears on Halloween.
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:04.079
But I remember it was just like it was like every time we lost one, it was like, oh suffocate.
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:10.400
Oh, oh, that was and we just were going back to that presentation of like, oh, we can't be the team that doesn't make the playoffs after starting 5-0.
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:10.800
For sure.
00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:14.000
And I feel like that was like the that was the worst thing they could have put in our minds.
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:16.639
And I I can't blame it, like solely put it on.
00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:18.559
Obviously, we were out there, uh we were out there playing.
00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:24.320
We could have done X, Y, and Z differently, but it just kind of set the stage for like what was to come in a way.
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:25.119
Why would you do that?
00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:25.599
I don't know.
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:39.920
And then we okay, so we lose to the Bears on Halloween, and then we lose to the uh Lions at home with the golden tape game where he went crazy, hit the game-winning touchdown, and then we go to the commanders, and I think that's when we ran into each other.
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:42.079
Oh god, that was when we ran into each other.
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:44.719
Boom, we both fell out, both came off the field.
00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:47.760
You were done for a couple games because I played the base game.
00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:48.639
Did you really?
00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:52.320
Yeah, your in your internal organs were fried.
00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:54.159
That was a Kurt game.
00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:56.639
We both had a pickaxe and Kurt, and neither of us got it.
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And then we came home against the Cardinals and won that game, and then we went to Detroit, lost again, and then we played the Cowboys, lost again.
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And at that point, it was just like we're on a free fall.
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So we went from five and oh to with the Harambe t-shirts that we made.
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Oh my god.
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Spoons out for Harambe.
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Yeah, things just escalated so quickly.
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Before we knew it, like we were at 500, like we're a 500 team, or like below 500.
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:27.760
And again, when it comes to Zim, like he is, I think, naturally just a pessimistic person.
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And I'm not saying he was the reason for any of this.
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I'm sure there were some things he could have done differently.
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But there was no ever there was never like positivity going on.
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It was always like harp on the bad, harp on the bad.
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Like, like, oh my god, I can't lose another one.
00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:45.519
You start being afraid to make a mistake, you're not playing freely anymore, you're not just going out there and having a good time.
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You're just like, oh my god, I can't.
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What am I doing?
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Like, you're playing kind of nervous and kind of scared.
00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:51.280
And when you're playing like that, bro, you're not gonna win many games.
00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:53.119
It's just not in the league, man.
00:35:53.280 --> 00:36:10.000
So that was one of the things I wish he could have just had like a guy on the staff that was just a super positive guy or someone that he respected enough that could talk to and be like, yo, like we need to change the the mood around here because right now guys got their tails tucked, and we're we're five and three, five and four, you know, before we went on that big slide.
00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:13.119
And then the next year is when we went to the NFC championship game, right?
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:14.719
Yes, which was just roller coaster, right?
00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:16.159
But it was just like, yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:18.800
Like, so like our team, we were very, very solid.
00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:21.440
And that for five and oh start was not a floof by any means.
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:23.920
No, but like what happened after that was crazy.
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:30.079
The consistency, I think it goes to show consistency is such a hard thing to come by because this first year, my rookie year, didn't mix the playoffs.
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:35.119
That was like like a culture uh in in introducing the the new culture in the Vikings organization.
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:44.239
Second year, we go to the NFC division game against the Seahawks and lose on the field, the Blair Walsh missed field goal, which was devastating.
00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:49.199
And then we go to 16, start 5-0, miss the playoffs, and then we go to 2017, go to the NFC Championship game.
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:51.679
I think we're going to the Super Bowl because Carson Wentz got hurt.
00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:54.000
Nick Foles goes absolute bonkers against us.
00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:55.519
Um, and then we miss the playoffs the next year.
00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:57.360
And then 2019, we come back and we go to the playoffs.
00:36:57.920 --> 00:36:59.199
Beat the Saints and lose to the 49ers.
00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:00.159
So it was so up and down.
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:02.880
It was it's so hard to be consistent in this league.
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:06.960
And when you see teams going to playoffs every year, it's like that is just that's so impressive.
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:09.280
That's why I'm so impressed with like like teams like the Niners.
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:10.800
I mean, they just do it consistently.
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:20.719
But I mean, even like even like a team like Detroit, who has been like riding the last couple years, yes, and it's like they had that down year last year, that's what makes me think like this is the year they're gonna bounce back.
00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:21.519
Just look out for them.
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:22.000
You know what I mean?
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:23.360
Like that makes sense, you know what I mean?
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:31.199
Because it's like those are those are tough teams who and it's so like the a bad season in the NFL is so hard to go through.
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:38.480
Like going into the building, bro, and going and looking your coaches in the eye when you're not playing well, when the unit's not playing well, looking your teammates in the field.
00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:40.639
And the margins are small, they're small, man.
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:43.679
They're like you're losing games by a field goal, you know.
00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:47.360
I mean, the 2016 year, I played so poorly that season for whatever reason.
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:49.760
I can't, you know, like we talk about injuries, talk about whatever.
00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:51.199
That I'm not gonna blame on none of that.
00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:53.039
Like, I didn't play well that season.
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:55.599
And like showing up to work every day was I hated it.
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:58.079
Like, it was miserable coming into the out the building every day.
00:37:58.159 --> 00:37:59.840
And was that your hardest season?
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:00.880
I would say, yeah.
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:05.679
Personally, like that was my most difficult season I've ever gone through just because there was like so much negativity.
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:08.960
And also the year that I got cooked by Sean McVeigh.
00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:10.000
Oh, yeah, bro.
00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:12.559
That was that that was a year, that was a tough year too.
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:13.840
Um, up to that point.
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:15.599
Um, and then after that, I played well.
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:24.880
But yeah, when you're not playing well and you can kind of get in your head and you become like so I don't want to say negative, but like you start doubting yourself and I start like you lose confidence.
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:27.519
And once that happens, it's it's like a free fall from there.
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:33.920
And I feel like what I do appreciate about the Vikings, they had like a um, was it a therapist or like a psychiatrist on staff?
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:35.360
And I'm sure many teams have it, sure.
00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:44.960
But someone that you can go and talk to, and I would just be like, bro, I'm I am picturing the most, the the most um the worst situation in my head every time I go on the field.
00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:51.119
And he's just like, you just gotta flip that and like think about the positives, and like, okay, what if it goes negative?
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:53.280
Sure, but like why don't you think about what if it goes positive?
00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:54.480
Like, what if I do this, that?
00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:57.840
And I was like, damn, why'd I never even consider that?
00:38:58.000 --> 00:38:58.880
Like, why not?
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:05.280
That's such an easy thing to think about, but in my head, I'm just like, oh man, I'm I'm terrible, like we suck, I can't do this.
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:07.119
I I'm afraid to do X, Y, and Z.
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:11.519
And once I lost confidence that year, it was like I couldn't, I couldn't find it until that offseason.
00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:13.280
Common sense isn't always common practice, man.
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:14.320
It's not coach break.
00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:15.679
Hey, that's a coach break.
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:20.559
Uh let's let's let's finish this off with a nice little Chad Greenway um story.
00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:30.079
Or first of all, someone commented on him and says, bro, EK, I met you in Chad Greenway in a in Mankato at Chipotle during your rookie year at training camp when I was like eight.
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:30.800
Deep cut.
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:38.719
I asked Chad for an autograph, and he hesitated at first, but you convinced him to sign my little hat, and I'll never forget that moment.
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:42.159
Man, I have a hilarious story about Chad and autograph.
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:45.119
Honestly, Chad is who taught me boundaries when it came to that.
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:47.920
Chad taught us a lot when it came to the league for sure.
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:48.559
He was like our father.
00:39:48.719 --> 00:39:49.280
Shout out to Chad.
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:49.920
He taught us a ton.
00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:50.800
He was our father out there.
00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:53.280
One time we were sitting at dinner, and it was like a busy time.
00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:54.000
It was camp.
00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:54.880
It was like a busy time.
00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:55.679
We were with the team.
00:39:55.840 --> 00:39:58.559
We had this little private area we were dining at.
00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:06.880
And these two kids come into the private room and they come up to right up to Chad and they're like, Chad Greenway, can you give us an autograph?
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:13.440
And then he said, Is that your dad out there that's that just pulled up in the Jeep that told you to come talk to me and get this signed?
00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:16.239
And the kid was like, Yeah, that's my dad.
00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:16.800
That's him.
00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:20.639
He said, Well, tell him that we're eating, and I'm not gonna sign any autographs while I'm eating dinner.
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:24.000
If you guys want to wait till I'm done eating dinner, I'll be happy to sign them for you outside.
00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:28.079
But while we're sitting here while I'm eating dinner, just not right now.
00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:29.119
That's my only rule.
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:31.039
So I literally took that.
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:32.880
So like when I applied that too.
00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:33.440
I applied it.
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:34.800
It was like You're gonna have to though.
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:37.519
Because it was like, you know, you're gonna be out in Minnesota or whatever you may be.
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:40.800
And it's like if people are, you know, you might have a good game or two.
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:41.039
Yeah.
00:40:41.119 --> 00:40:42.480
And it was hilarious.
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:43.280
Might be all pro.
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:46.239
It was a lot funnier than that when it was happening.
00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:55.920
I don't know why it was funny, it's pretty messed up because the kids wanted an autograph, but like no, because I feel like from the outside looking in, it's like, okay, just sign the autograph and keep it pushing.
00:40:56.079 --> 00:41:00.480
But there's something about having boundaries and like being respectful about other people's time.
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:13.519
And if the rules, not say that if the rules reverse, you'd expect kind of the same, but you can't just expect uh someone to drop everything for you in that moment when he's or Chatting that instance is out, enjoying himself.
00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:15.840
Like he he needs he's a person, you know.
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:19.679
He's he don't he's not going up to you and interrupting your dinner and asking for X, Y, and Z.
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:23.840
Like, allow him to have his moment, and if when the time is correct, then you do.
00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:25.599
It's it's not a hard concept.
00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:26.639
So I agree with that.
00:41:26.800 --> 00:41:28.480
But shoot, yeah.
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Is that it?
00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:29.840
Is that it?
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Is that it?
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Are we done?
00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:32.639
Little QA today, you know?
00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:34.480
Yeah, we kind of want to touch on some things again.
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Just appre we appreciate everybody's support.
00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:46.159
We wanted to let you know we do, we are reading the comments, and sometimes it's not a great thing to read the comments, but we're trying to uh just improve at this and yeah, give us some questions, give us some more questions, give us some more ammo so we can.
00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:47.039
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00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:56.159
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