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Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You Were
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Wrong with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of the Federalist
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and David Harsani's senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just
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as a reminder, if you'd like to email us, please
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do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. We'd
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love to hear from you. Has it got Molly? Where
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are you?
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I'm in New York, and I do want to apologize
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for the twenty minutes I spent trying to set up
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my microphone and failing, so I hope everyone can hear me.
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And but yeah, I'm in New York doing some stuff
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for Fox this week, and also a not a debate,
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but like a discussion with Doug Shown, who's a Democrat
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pollster and strategist type.
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That'd be interesting. Let's first start with I think the
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big news this week was Vance's speech Munich for this
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Munich Security Council. Correct, so he basically attacked Europe, right,
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I mean, you know, I wouldn't say an attack on Europe.
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He said that really the main danger, or the central
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danger is from within, not from without. So I think
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he's speaking about Russia probably and even China. He's saying
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that the two main reasons are censorship and mass immigration, right,
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is that fair to say?
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Well, yeah, I think the censorship component was partly about
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freedom of speech. It was also about freedom of religion
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and attacks on freedom of religion. But everyone goes to
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this Munich security conference for back paths and everyone being
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told that what we're doing is great. And so for
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the last several years it's all been about how Russia
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is an existential threat to the rest of the world
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and now we all need to fight this proxy war
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in Ukraine if we love democracy, and so he goes
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and he says, so, if you love democracy, you need
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to start respecting elections. He mentions the Romanian election that
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they just decided not to accept based on a very
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flimsy claim that turned out not to be true of
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Russian interference. There was a sort of election interference in Romania,
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but it came from like a third party that thought
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they were playing the system very well and it turned
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out to backfire against them. And then he talks about,
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you know, the threat of censorship restrictions on speech and
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it wasn't to me an attack on Europe. Since he
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also was pointing out that much of what had been
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done had been done with either the TACIT approval or
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the support of the United States. It was really an
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attack on illiberalism in Western democracies. I took it that way.
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Well. One of the for me it was I wrote
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a book called Eurotrash a few years ago where I
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went over a lot of these problems I think in
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some depth, and I obviously agreed with the central focus
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of his speech. Though the pushback was ridiculous, and the
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pushback came from European elites. One guy I think it
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was some kind of German under secretary. Actually it was
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like tearing up whilst talking about this. I don't know
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if you saw that. I also have to say I was.
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Doing TV yesterday with Rich Lowry and Randon Divine, and
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when they showed that, we all spontaneously laughed at the
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tears because, of course, that German dude was the same
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one who mocked and laughed at Trump's UN speech when
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he said that Germany should care about energy independence, and
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of course he was right after somebody we don't know
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precisely whom blew up the Nord Stream to pipeline, which
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really put Germany in a world of hurt. So nobody
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was laughing.
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Then let's talk about the censorship part of it. So
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here the next day or two days later, maybe I
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forget exactly. Mark or reviews being interviewed by Margaret Brennan
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on CBS News and she asks him or she it's
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not even asking. She points out that Advance was standing.
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This is quote standing in a country where free speech
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was weaponized to conduct a genocide, and he met with
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the head of a political party that has far right
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views and some historic ties to extreme groups. The context
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of that was changing the tone of it. I don't
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know what that means. And then she ends with this,
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and you know that the censorship was specifically about the right.
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A lot of people zoomed in, I think rightly on
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the claim that free speech was weaponized to conduct genocide. Now,
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Marco Ruby immediately pointed out that there was no free
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speech in Nazi Germany. There was no political opposition in
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Nazi Germany. But what he should have also pointed out,
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obviously he didn't expect such idiocy I assume in this
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interview was that the Weimer Republic, which preceded the Third Reich,
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also had all kinds of hate speech laws on the
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books that they shut down the newspapers of the Nazis.
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De Schumer was shut down like a dozen times within
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ten years. The propagandists of the Nazi Party were arrest
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did constantly, and it did nothing. It made the martyrs
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and just showered attention on them. And I'm not saying
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this right wing German party today is the same as
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the Nazi, but I'm just saying that that also is
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part of it.
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So anyway, well, just to take a step away from
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the Munich thing, I've been thinking about this as it
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relates to domestic politics. There are all these reports of
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the Democrat Party and disarray and people the Democrat donors
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are very frustrated with what they got for their billions
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of dollars they gave in the last election to achieve
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very poor results. And I think part of it is
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because we reached the limit of their political activism. And
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what I mean is they built this censorship complex that
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was helping Democrats a lot. People have noted that Donald
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Trump's genius as he picks the eighty percent side of
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eighty twenty issues, you know where eighty percent of Americans are,
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He's there. Well, that's what's been true for the right
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for a long time is that they generally are with
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the majority of the country. So why have they been
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losing so many elections. I think it's because the media
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take that twenty percent and they weaponize it. To use
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Margaret Brennan's favorite word, you know, they act like, they
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act like they're a majority, no matter how radical the issue.
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So they make it so you can't even talk honestly
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about what trans radicalism is, you know. And so it
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all worked really well to keep Democrats in power and
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to thwart the will of the electorate for decades, and
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then something happened recently where we finally reached the end
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of that and the media no longer have credibility, and
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so they kind of got hoisted by their own censorship petard,
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their own information complex petard, and they're not able to
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achieve the results that they kind of thought would happen
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in perpetuity. I don't know if that makes sense.
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But yeah, it makes sense. I just one quick thing
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about what she said at the end that people haven't
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really pointed out that much as far as I've seen,
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was that she says to Mark Rubert, and you know,
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this was specifically about the right. This wasn't just about centience,
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was about the right. Well, is it the right the
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only political movement that is a danger to freedom? Because
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I think the left is as big a danger. In fact,
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I think that the illiberalism of European, of the EU
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and others is a leftist kind of you know, it's
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not that simple, but I think it comes from the left,
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not the right. For the most part. To me, I
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think Hungary is in a liberal place. But I also
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think Germany is in a liberal place coming from the left,
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you know. So, But for people like Brennan, the only problem,
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the only illiberalism, can only come from the right. This
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was just about the right. Why can't we just censor
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the right? Well, I mean, I've detailed this in that book,
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you know, in eurotresh But the right here, the left here,
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I'm sorry, The New York Times, CBS News and elsewhere
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they want to adopt those liberal policies here they completely
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agree with the European censorship that goes on in Europe.
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If you read the Bible out loud, you know, and
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someone teams at homophobic you can be arrested. There's a
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guy in jail, has a four year sentence for he's
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a fascist, no doubt about it. But he's in jail
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for four years. So the Democrats who call you and
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I a fascists, right, would we be in jail? Then?
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You know we're an existential threat to democracy supposedly.
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So I loved jd Vance's speech, talking about big ideas
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about freedom of speech and freedom of religion and the
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need to accept election results and listen to what the
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people want and need when you're governing them. I liked
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all of that, but I will admit that I thought
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that who could possibly oppose this? You know who? Yes,
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it was kind of an in your face speech, but
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if you hear what he's talking about, it would be
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very difficult to say, actually, we're on the other side.
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And our media heard that speech and they were like,
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we're on the other side of free speech. They all
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started in mass defending restrictions on the press and on speech,
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and I'm just thinking, this is insane. I I don't
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know what they're The.
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New York Editorial Time, the editorial page of the New
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York Times constantly has pieces saying this exact thing. I
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would say that I disagreed with something he said, or
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how he framed it. And I get that he's a politician,
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and I get the politicians do this, but conflating democracy
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and liberty is a big problem. Most people in Europe
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probably do like some sort of censorship right, so what
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that doesn't That doesn't I don't want to give the
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people what they want. I want to protect individual rights.
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This is why I always kind of get squeamish when
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I hear common good or you know, phrases like common sense,
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even because I don't care about that. Every we have
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a neutral, you know, right to free you know, how
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can I say an impartial right to free speech. So
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this idea that we have to give the people what
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they want, I think it's it's can be.
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anti democracy tirades, but I don't disagree with you. Just
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because a majority of people say that someone should be
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killed doesn't mean that that person should be killed. Or
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just because a majority of people don't love freedom of
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religion doesn't mean that you don't have a natural right
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to practice your religious beliefs. At the same time, it
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is true that governments derive their legitimacy from the consent
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of the governed, and I think the reason why the
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European leaders had their little emergency session in Paris is
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that they're terrified. They have been able to thwart what
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their people want for a really long time, mostly in
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pursuit of mass migration, and I think they're worried they're
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going to lose some elections, as they should be.
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Well, I should say that there's a key philosophical difference
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between you just alluded to, between each place and people
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who don't really believe in free speech. If you believe
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in God, but even if you don't, you believe that
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the state is here to protect your free speech rights,
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not bestow it on you. But the Convention of Human
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Rights in the European Union does it the opposite way,
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and then gives like fifteen exemptions for why you can
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stop free speech. Can I read you a couple national security,
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territorial integrity, public safety, disorder or crime, health or morals,
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the reputation of other people. So in essence, there is
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no free speech right there, and that I think is
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the difference. That was my only problem with his speech.
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I think he assumes, like people in the Middle East,
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that everyone's just yearning for freedom. I don't know that
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Europeans are yearning for freedom. I don't know that Germans
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are yearning for freedom. History tells me otherwise, to be
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honest with you, and so that was my only problem.
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With his speech, David, that's actually a really important point.
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I think what you're seeing with the leaders at the
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Munich conference, they're freak out over being told that they
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are bad in how they deal with free speech and
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freedom of religion and honoring elections. They're freaking out, and
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our media are freaking out because there's something like at heart,
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some of our elites aren't super into America or what
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makes us different from other countries. They genuinely support the
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censorship industrial regime. They genuinely think that they should be
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the arbiters of what you're allowed to talk about. And
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it's a very un American idea that you would limit
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someone else's right to debate you or speak their mind.
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But you're seeing a lot of our media are completely
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in agreement with these these European leaders.
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Yeah, for sure, that's been going on for years. It
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is an American But they will argue that the Internet
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era is different and that these principles no longer whole.
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We can't just let disinformation flow freely. And let's say
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they were right, right, Let's say I'm right. I say, yeah,
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that's a danger to democracy. But they have they call
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every they don't like disinformation misinformation, so they can't be trusted.
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This is why the state can't be trusted, you know
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what I mean?
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So you know, well, did you see you mentioned the
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Margaret Brennan interview, but did you see the sixty minutes
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segment where they interviewed the three Germans who were talking
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about how great it is to limit what people say.
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like we got it in the original German there. Yeah,
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they were just little authoritarians. I mean, first of all,
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one of the women says, we can't just have people
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saying whatever they want. They have to be limits because
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you're intimidating people. There are already rules against that every
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Western country. You're not allowed to, you know, intimidate someone
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or threaten someone to her and to many young people
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in the United States, unfortunate, and many on the left,
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words are violence to them. There's no real difference between
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those things. That's why that's such a dangerous idea, as well,
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that sixty minutes piece was just terrible. They couldn't find
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a single person in the entire country to defend free
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speech and the entire world, in all of Europe, in
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all the United States, not one.
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The most embarrassing part of it was the questions were
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the questions didn't in any There was no pushback, there
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was no effort to challenge them on this.
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I we grew up right, everyone agreed free speech was great.
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Like in the late sixties, the free speech movement was
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sparked by the left, you know, and now you know
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it's incredible. You know, when you look at Poles, I'm
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sorry of young people. Many of them don't believe in
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free speech. That if you ask them, should a pro
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life would be allowed to come to your college and speak,
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like twenty percent say yes. On the other side, seventy
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percent say yes. So that's I think a problem. And
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when you have all the elites in colleges who teach
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them in media, in our government, unless Elon Musks is
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a way and sweeps them away, they also believe in censorship.
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So I mean, how do you feel about the future
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when it comes to speech? Right now?
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I'm I'm much feeling much better right now than I
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have in ten years. Like I am someone who actually
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was personally on a government censorship list. This was revealed
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by the House Judiciary Committee. I'm envious a few years ago.
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And of course the Federalist has experienced extreme censorship for
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pushing back against regime propaganda, and it felt very lonely
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to be battling this, and even Republicans weren't very helpful
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on it, like the vast majority of them were not
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very helpful, with some notable and wonderful exceptions, such as
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Jim Jordan, who's been fighting the free speech fight and
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the freedom of the press fight here a somewhat lonely
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battle for him sometimes. So to finally have someone on
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a global stage saying censorship is wrong, I feel represented
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in politics in a way that I haven't felt represented
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since like Reagan. I mean, it's just wonderful to have
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someone talking about these really important foundational issues and advocating
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for them on a global stage.
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Someone online mentioned that the AP which is not allowed
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to participate in press conferences now because they won't accept
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Golf of America edict, that is a you know, the
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press axis, if that is like the biggest attack on
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free speech. Ever, the AP has a god given right
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to be in the White House press room. But then
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when it comes to vance talking about this, the entire
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media complex all of a sudden defends European censorship of normal,
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regular people who are powerless. Like if in Germany the
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police will show up at your door or rage your
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house if you have mocked leaders, you know, in an
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ugly way usually, but still, and that that doesn't bother
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them at all. I think they'd be all for that,
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you know what I mean. Like they have such a
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distorted view of what free speech means, just.
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From a strategic messaging perspective. The idea that all of
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the media would be defending the Associated Press here while
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simultaneous calling for restrictions on speech debate, Like it just
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doesn't work to try to do both of those things
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at the same time.
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They don't care. They don't have any sort of limiting principles.
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They this is what their whole democracy democracy stick. It
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doesn't really mean anything.
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By the way, the Associated Press, I don't get why
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they're not calling a legal name thing by its legal name.
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I have to say, I find it a little bit
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silly to me. What I believe is that the associated
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depression being there at all. Anyway, they are a propaganda outfit.
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I don't mean that in some sort of like that
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they're biased. They shared, for instance, a building with Hamas,
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they let Hamas dictate the things they wrote, but they
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can't say Gulf of America when the United States government
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switches it up. Yeah, it's just you're trying.
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To understand their logic. Period Like, did they refuse to
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call Denali or Mount McKinley Denali for the few years
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that it was den No.
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I'm sure not.
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Did they do they call the Redskins the Redskins or
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the Commanders When when trans people change their names, they
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always honor the new name, and in fact they will
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pretend like the old name never existed. They'll take it
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so far that they deny the reality that a man
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with a woman's name is a man. So I don't
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I actually don't care that much about Golf of America.
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I mean, I'm totally fine with the name change. It's
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I don't care. I just don't care. But it is
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a legal name change, so on the grounds, are you
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not Billy? But also it's not saying Gulf of the
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United States it's Gulf of America, which is very ecumenical,
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or whatever you would say for South America, Central America,
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and northwork.
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People always got mad when you call the United States
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America because they're like, you know, it's all America and
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this and that. So yeah, and it's fine.
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I just I wish the AP were kicked out for
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all of the other things it does other than that.
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But also I don't think they're kicked out. I think
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that simply they're not getting Oval office access, which of
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course is limited to very few people, so I don't
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see why they should get to be there. And then
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they are also I think limited on Air Force one,
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which is true of most reporters are limited on Air
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Force one. And particularly given how they do nothing but
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straight propaganda all the time, I'm fine with them, you know,
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just applying for a day pass every year or there.
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There's a specific reason why some of these politicians hate
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Elon Musk. Elizabeth Warren claims she doesn't accept donations from
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big Pharma. Not only does she collect money, she collects
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more than anyone else does. And the person next in line,
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Bernie Sanders. Check out the Watchdog on Wall Street podcast
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Molly, one thing that just ran across my feet. I
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just want to mention Hamas is releasing some hostages, and
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it's releasing some people who have been killed by them
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to the Israelis for hundreds of you know, terrorists. Here's
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the ABC headline, Hamas will release the bodies of four
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deceased hostages on Thursday. Deceased hostages like, how did they die?
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I wonder two of them? By the way, babies. This
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is kind of the distortion of headlines that are super
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important in the age of social media, because that's what
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a lot of people see. So let me read you
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another headline that people were upset about the other day.
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It's from the Wall Street Journal. Exclusive Dvance pledges to
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hit Russia with sanctions and potentially military action. It's a
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mistake if Putin won't agree to peace deal that guarantees
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Ukraine's independence. People were quite upset about that because they
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claim that, you know, he hadn't actually pledged to do
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those things, and I agree with them. He had said
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that military tools were on the table. But I wanted
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to ask you, how do you feel about that?
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First off, on the four murdered Israeli hostages. I mean,
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unless these people truly died of natural causes that had
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nothing to do with being taken hostage by Hamas, it's
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just an inaccurate headline. And the fact that it does
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include these little Babis children, which were some of the
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children I was praying for this, you know, many months.
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It shows how ridiculous it is. You know, you can't
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even not that the adults are any different, but there
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is no argument for murdering these children or treating them
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as enemy combat on enemy combatants and headlines that downplay
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the horrific nature of what's been done. You don't need
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to be like quote unquote taking size to just be
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honest about it. These people killed by Hamas.
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I mean, if you were on the side of the Palestinians,
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you would be more honest about what Hamas does anyway,
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because you'd want you know, this undermines their cause in
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many ways, obviously, And I'm not on the side of
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the Palestine. So I saw Paul recently that showed like
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nine percent of Democrats are sympathetic towards Israel and the
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other percentage or either don't care or sympathetic towards the
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Palestinian cause. So obviously everyone at ABC, all the editors, everyone,
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they're not sympathetic with Israel, so they're always trying their
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best to distort what is actually going on there.
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As for the Wall Street Journal headline, and that is
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the only newspaper I subscribe to, the only daily newspaper
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I subscribe to, So I'm constantly screaming about various editorial
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choices they've made. It just was an inaccurate way to
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describe what JD. Vance is saying. So he's talking, I mean,
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first of all, the entire Trump Vance administration is about
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ending the war in Ukraine and talking to Putin as
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part of that, Like you're not going to get an
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agreement with Putin without talking to him. And in the
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course of that conversation, he's talking about how for Donald Trump,
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you have to put everything on the table in order
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to come to a result that you like, including that
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would be you know, economic sanctions and you know, even
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potentially military stuff. The way that the headline was written
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was as if Trump was threatening Putin with war with
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like an all out war, as opposed to the proxy
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war that that he's trying to get out of. And
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even there was a question there about like what you know,
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Vance said something like Trump really does not want US
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troops in Ukraine. So even if you could say, well,
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technically he said everything was all on the table, that's true,
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but it's just makes it seem like the reporter and
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the editors were too stupid to understand what Vance was saying.
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Well, the word I think that is misleading his pledges
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to do something right, because he's not pledging that, he's
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saying it might be on the table. But just outside
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of that debate, I do find it interesting that he
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is essentially saying that the proxy war could continue if
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Putin doesn't give Ukraine, you know, guarantee its independence. I
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don't even know what that means, because it's obviously going
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to lose territory in any kind of settlement. It already
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has lost territory, you know, in twenty twelve or whenever.
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Twenty fourteen, and Veberina pet hekset. They were really upset
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with him for a few minutes because he said, well,
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obviously Ukraine's not going back to pre twenty fourteen borders,
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which is just a statement of fact. Russia invaded that
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part during the Obama administration. It's not going back to Ukraine.
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You know.
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Did he say also that they wouldn't be part of NATO.
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I would like, but he was saying basically like, in
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the short term, there's no way that Ukraine's going into NATO.
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The idea that we would even be taught talking about
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that as if it were a realistic thing blows my
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mind and says how unserious a lot of these foreign
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policy people are. Yeah, I mean, but just think about this, like,
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how would the United States have taken to Mexico or
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Canada joining the Soviet Union during the Cold War? How
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would they have handled that? Would they have viewed that
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as provocative? Yes, they would have viewed it as provocative.
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It would have almost certainly led to an all out
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nuclear war. If you know, the George H. W. Bush
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era was really smart about understanding Ukraine needs to be
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a buffer between Western Europe and Russia. They should kind
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of be steadfastly neutral. We've been losing just the smart
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minds that understand if you don't want war in Europe,
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you do have to kind of acknowledge reality and not
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be overly provocative to the two sides.
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Yeah, but it was walked back because I think that's
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something you put on the table as far as negotiations go. Right,
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he says it here that president doesn't want Nate doesn't
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think it's a good idea, probably, but that's something you
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hand Russian and say, Okay, if you give us this,
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we'll make sure NATO's not you know, I mean, Ukraine's
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not in NATO. It seems that's the way to approach this.
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I also just quickly want to say that I don't
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think we should make a moral equivalency between NATO and
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the Soviet Union. I get your overall point that it's
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infringing on their sphere of influence in a way, but
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it's not the same thing. NATO doesn't threaten Russian sovereignty.
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They're not gonna invade Moscow. No one wants to take
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Russian land.
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David, there was a period of time, was it Clinton?
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I think it was Clinton was thinking about letting Russia
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into NATO. I'm not making a moral judgment, like things change,
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I'm just talking about alliance. Oh, I get it now
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it's viewed as this hostile situation. But when the Soviet
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Union fall apart, there was some question like should we
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let Russia into this Western way? And we're seeing the
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opposite extreme right now of driving Russia into China's arms,
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which is an unwise thing for US since China's much
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bigger threat to US than Russia. And you don't but
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they're to get whenever they're together. It's bad news for
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the United States.
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They rarely can't have been able to get it together.
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But yeah, I hear what you're saying. It's a big topic.
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We can not but okay, well let's talk about domestic stuff.
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Though, Yeah, let's talk about you agree.
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We're in a constitutional crisis, That's what I heard. Everybody's saying.
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Well, we spoke about that. So now the new phase
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of the constitutional crisis is that the executive branch is
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no longer working how it should. There's a shadow presidency,
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Elon Musk, and the president is undermining what they call
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independent agencies, which I say, actually are concocted agencies that
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work under the umbrella of the executive branch. And if
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you don't want them there, rewrite the constitution. But as
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long as they're under Donald Trump's purview, he gets to
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do what he wants. So Elon Musk is marching through
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the agencies, right, I think he's about to head towards
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the SEC. He's in the irs now, I believe, and
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so on, and this is very upsetting to people. They
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I don't know if you saw sixty minutes also at
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an interview with like fired you administration people, and you
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would have thought like the sky was falling. It so worse,
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Like normal people lose their jobs we talked about this
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last week, lose their job all the time. We don't
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you know, there is no certainty in your job. And
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they act as if they should have a guaranteed job
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towards to retirement. But anyway, Ezra Clin I saw the
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other day, had someone on and they were talking about
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how the executive branch isn't working the way it should.
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Something is wrong, molly with how government functions. And I
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just quickly want to say, I've been following Ezra clines
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work a lot. And when the House wouldn't vote for
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Obama stuff, he said that the Congress wasn't working. Then
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he said the Supreme Court wasn't working when he didn't
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get his way. Now the executive whenever things don't go
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Downmocrat's way, that institution no longer works that you know,
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that needs to We need reform. We need fillibus to reform.
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You notice no one's talking about that. Is anyone talking
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about packing the courts anymore? Where's that bill on packing
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the courts? Why don't we put that forward? Now? See
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what happens? You know. So it's just such transparent hypocrisy,
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and it's so corrupt. The arguments are corrupt anyway.
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I just want to say, I have been waiting for
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this moment for a very long time. If you're a conservative,
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you get taught about the bureaucracy and the administrative state
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and the threat that those things pose to our constitutional
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order from the time you're young. And we are finally
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having an all out battle about whether this fourth branch
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of government should be able to exist independently. I love
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our constitution. We have three branches of government in the Constitution.
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Congress is the most important one is the Article one branch.
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I think they have completely fallen down on the job
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over the last one hundred years. So I agree with
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Ezra Kline on that the Congress is broken.
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That's not what he doesn't agree with you?
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And why Yeah, but they delegated all of their authority,
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this administrative state, and then the executive During a Democrat
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presidency or someone who's aligned with Democrat values, the bureaucracy
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works very well as an arm of that president. During
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a Republican presidency, particularly for Donald Trump, you actually have
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these people saying claiming they are running a resistance. And
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when you are a bureaucrat and you're running a resistance,
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that means you're resisting the constitutional order, which is the president.
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The only way it works for the bureaucracy to be
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constitutional is if it's under the executive branch, so when
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you're resisting it, you're resisting the constitution. And then of
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course the third branch, the judiciary. So lots of wise
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people have been talking about the threat posed by this
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fourth branch of government that in some ways is far
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more powerful, far bigger, far more resistant to the people
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than any of the other branches. And it's not anywhere
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included in our constitution. And the progressives who started this,
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you know, Woodrow Wilson types, they were very open in
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what they wanted to do, which was they thought the
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constitutional system was broken and they wanted to create their
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own ruling experts who would control everything, and so we
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are finally, after one hundred years, having the battle that
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we always should have had over this permanent bureaucratic state,
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and so I'm just loving every minute of it. In fact,
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I was just thinking today that I remember eight years ago,
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during Trump's first year in office, first month in office,
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I think he was at Seapac and in his speech,
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which of course I loved and nobody else in media loved,
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he talked about the threats posed by the administrative state.
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And at that time I was on a panel at
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CNN with a bunch of other report but like left
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wing reporters, and the host was John King, if I
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recall correctly, and it was just this roundtable, and nobody
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knew what the administrative state was, except for me, because,
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like I said, you feed on this at your very
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first conservative meeting when you're a teenager. And to go
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from that eight years ago where nobody knew what the
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administrative state was, to now doge doing an audit of
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these administrative of this administrative state, it's just a wonderful transformation.
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Yeah, people like Ezra Kline want a centralized federal government
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that is perpetually run by Democrats. That's what they want.
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That's why nothing else works, and that's why this scares them.
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If you told me twenty years ago or whenever I started,
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that Elon Musk would be how can I say, is
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that a tech billionaire would be in the government auditing
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all the administrative state, firing people left and right, trying
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to you know, save money. I don't think we should
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over overdo how much money he can in discretion or
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spending whatever. I would say as a small libertarian, that's amazing.
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I would be just so happy about that. But yeah,
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the Congress, I just you know, if you don't like
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that Donald Trump is just putting tariffs on everyone, maybe
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Congress should take back its tariff powers. You know, if
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you don't like that Donald Trump might use as emergency powers,
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maybe rescind that law. And if you want to shut down.
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Yeah, On the upside, I actually think, no matter what happens,
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this is not going to work unless Congress asserts its authority. Sure,
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and so even when you look at some of the
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battles that are happening in the courts, they could be
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rendered very quickly by Congress weighing in on on what
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it thinks about these administrative state agencies. The bureaucracy and
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to make it permanent, they really need to be involved.
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And so Republicans and American voters. I don't think they
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just want one man or three men to know the
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problem and solve it. They would like every elected official
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on board. And maybe that's not going to be the
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Democrats right now, but Congress should reassert its authority, and
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the Republicans in Congress should be an active part of
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this effort since they have the majority.
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I mean, if you really want to shut down the
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Department of Education, you're going to have to do it
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through Congress. If you really want to shut down even USAID,
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I think you need to do it through Congress because
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there's a lot of money in bills pass there that
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need to be spent. You can't just say I'm not
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spending the money like Obama did with Obamacare when heever
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he felt like it. I think a lot of these
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lawsuits we spoke about them last week, though I was
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thinking about this, have it will as often they do
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backfire on Democrats. They will accelerate the process of the
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Supreme Court saying actually, the executive branch has this power
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and the judicial branch doesn't.
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I'm actually I totally agree with you when we were
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talking about Ezra Client saying every branch of government is broken.
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I sometimes think that myself, except for the judiciary, which
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the Supreme Court seems to be operating pretty well. And
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I always get nervous when people want to blow it up,
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as has been a celebrated cause on the left in
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recent years. But yes, you've had some really bad rogue
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district judges ruling like against Trump. But as they as
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these things work their way through the courts, I'm less
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nervous about some of it, just because, again, in a
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constitutional system, you can't have an independent bureaucracy. That's just tyranny.
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Independent means independent means accountable, not to the people. And
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in our system of government, the people have the power,
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and if the people have no say, and we've all
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been feeling this right like you, you'll work really hard
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to change the Senate or change the nature of the
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House or you know, the makeup of the house. You
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work really hard to elect someone, and then nothing ever changes.
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The reason why nothing ever changes is because this bureaucracy
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is unaccountable. And I really have a hard time seeing
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smart judges and smart justices saying yeah, we're going to
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just let an unelected, unaccountable bureaucracy run things. I just
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don't see that happening.
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Can say, yeah, yeah, yeah, quest no, no, please.
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Well, there are all these other interesting issues too that
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are happening through the courts. So it's conventional wisdom that
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you cannot appeal a temporary restraining order. Have you heard that?
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Yeah? I think so.
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They're usually for a very brief period of time, and
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it's just kind of gives everybody a chance to make
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their arguments in a better form, and so you're usually
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not able to appeal a temporary restraining order against like
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a government agency. Well, all of these different judges have
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implemented temporary restraining orders, which is thwarting the work of Doge.
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One of the cases involves a guy who was removed
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from his position I think was the Merit Systems Protection
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Board Merit Protection Did I just seeh I think? And
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so he sued over it and a district judge instituted
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a temporary restraining order. The Trump administration appealed that, and
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the DC Circuit had a panel of three judges. It
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was Florence Pan who's husband literally runs like the bureaucracy
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defense organization, the Partnership for Public Service. He also totally
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forgetting his name all of a sudden, But he also
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was one of the fake Kavanaugh accusers. Do you remember
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a Max Styr. That's his name, Max Styr. He after
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Carrie Savareino and I wrote our book on Cavanaugh, there
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were these two New York Times reporters who wrote a
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book on Cavanaugh, and when they were rolling it out,
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they claimed that they had another accuser. But Carrie and
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I had gotten advanced copies of the book, and so
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we read the book and saw that the accuser was
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actually this guy named Max Steyer. He claimed there was
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a woman and he wasn't sure what had happened, but
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something had happened, and he, you know, so he just
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felt it was his job as a left wing person
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to say this about Brett Kavanaugh, and so they report it.
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They actually also acknowledged that the woman in question was like,
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I have literally no idea what you're talking about. So
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Max Steyer is that like radical? And he was also
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on the Bill Clinton defense team during Monica Lewinski, So
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he's a Clinton knight anyway. His wife, Florence, I just
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know how much the left cares about the spouses of justices,
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so I'm sure they care that the spouse of this
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judge is completely compromised in this debate. But anyway, Florence.
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King then recused themselves. If they had that kind.
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Of you know, I think they have to be recused
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or immediately impeached according to the left. So I'm sure
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they're consistent in this Florence plan and Michelle Chiles, they
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vote to uphold the temporary restraining order. But this other judge,
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Greg katsis who I think was put on the court
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in twenty seventeen, and he's that judge on the DC
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Circuit that constantly gets upheld at the Supreme Court. So
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Harry Reid packed the DC Circuit with left wing judges.
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It's like a ridiculous circuit, how crazy left it is,
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but it frequently their cases get moved up to the
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Supreme Court. And Greg Katz's is that guy who is
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just so good that he keeps on getting upheld. And
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in his dissent from upholding the temporary restraining order, first off,
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he goes into how you know, actually the executive branch
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does control the executive function, and then he also kind
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of puts in there about how a limit on constitutional
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authority for even a moment is intolerable, and so kind
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of lays out the case for an immediate appeal of
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a temporary restraining order. And I just saw, like before
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we got on this call, that John Roberts asked for
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a response. So the Trump team appeals the temporary restraining
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order to the Supreme Court, and John Roberts was asking
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for the two sides to weigh in immediately.
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I mean, I think the Supreme Court has a responsibility
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to step in when its own, when the judicial branch
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is overstepping its bounds below it right. I mean, I
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think it has like a special responsibility to make sure
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the separation of powers works and is working and things
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are working constitutionally.
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And I think actually this is where the things that
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frustrate a lot of conservatives about John Roberts they will like.
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And what I mean is you have all these rogue
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judges who are going well beyond their actual authority to
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issue nationwide injunctions. This is something that happens a lot
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with left wing judges, but it also happens with some
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conservative judges where they'll issue nationwide injunctions against some federal action.
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And you have heard murmurings for years among the justices
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that they think that this should be checked more, or
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that it shouldn't be allowed. It's just greatly exceeds their
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actual authority that these inferior judges are doing it. And
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so I think you probably will see one of these that,
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in one of these cases that makes it to the
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Supreme Court. I would not be shocked if you see
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a slap down of nationwide injunctions. And John Roberts, who
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sort of always fancied himself a great chief and who cares,
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like all chiefs do, the legitimacy of the court, you
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are risking a situation where these rogue judges are so
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out of control that you're going to start seeing the
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executive branch just not heeding what they say, or you're
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risking that. I'm not saying that it's under Trump. I'm
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saying if this type of thing continues, because Trump has
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shown himself very willing to adhere to whatever the courts
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say on these nationwide injunctions. He's explicitly said that. But
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you could imagine a future where people just start not
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following the nationwide injunction or saying or just challenging it.
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And I think the Chief is aware of that and
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wants to preserve the legitimacy of the judiciary. And so
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I would just not be shocked to see a majority
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of justices saying enough on the nationwide injunctions.
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Trump explicitly yeah. The other day, he explicitly came out,
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he said, we we listen to the courts, but we
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will be vindicated. But yet the constitutional crisis story are
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all over the place. When when Joe Biden said, yeah,
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the court said no, but we did it anyway. That
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was fine for everyone. You know, It's just I mean, I.
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Do I do want to kind of point out there
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that he didn't completely flout what the Supreme Court had
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said in that he found another way to do the
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same thing. And you might say, well, that's just playing games,
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except it still recognizes the authority of the Supreme Court
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on the special decision.
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The only oath that all these people take is to
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a constitution. Okay, so when you were purposely changing a
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few words and your edict to do something that is
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clearly unconstitutional for me, it's basically the same thing. I
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get it that on the technicality, he wasn't telling the
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Court you know, I'm not listening to you, but in
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essence that that's what he was doing. And just because
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he's a little or not him, people work for him,
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we're a little more creative in doing it does not
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make it okay because you could Trump could do that too.
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Trump could write another EO, change a few words. He's
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doing it differently, And then I mean, in essence, it's
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the same thing at least from you know, that's what
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I feel.
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Yeah, but it still is at least honoring and respecting
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the different branches and the rights therein. So I do
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think back to this. Why I think John Roberts might
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join with a majority of justices to push back on
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nationwide injunctions is actually actually related to the Marbury versus
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Madison ruling, which is like the most famous Supreme Court
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ruling ever, which was I'm totally going to butcher this,
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but I feel like it was okay. John Adams was president.
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He pushes through a bunch of judges last minute. His
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party controls Congress, and they do know some like Judicial
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Review Act or something pushed through a bunch of judges
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and their commissions were supposed to be given by the
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Secretary of State, but then Adams leaves office and.
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James Madison won't well.
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Madison is the Secretary of State, yeah, and he won't
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deliver this commission. And so it goes to the Court
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because then they sue for manament, like they sue to
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require the guy who one of the guys who didn't
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get his commission says, please make Madison give me my commission.
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And they did this whole solemn monic, you know, splitting
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the baby kind of thing, where they ruled the ultimate
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law unconstitutional but also that Madison should have turned it over.
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It kind of made everybody happy, but it mostly made
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the Court very powerful, and I just very much think
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John Roberts cares about the supremacy of the Supreme Court
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and it's legitimacy, and it might tamp down these nationwide
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injunctions really as a way of preserving the health of
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the Court going forward.
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I mean, I'm a big fan of that decision because
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we need it today more than ever. The Court is
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the only institution upholding the Constitution, making it a coequal branch,
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though with different jobs to do, and allowing it to
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to render things that Congress does or the executive branch
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The last topic on politics, I think we wanted to
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touch on the DOJ dropping charges against New York City
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Mayor Eric Adams. So I don't know a lot about this,
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but my initial feeling was that it seemed a like
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favor trading and that it was I mean, openly, we
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dropped the charges. You help us with immigration, or you
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help the administration do what it wants to do. At
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least that's what I think it would seem like to
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a lot of people. It might be more complicated. I
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don't know what's your take on it.
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I think that's actually like a legitimate question. And the
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reason why people think that is because the charges were
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not dropped with prejudice. They were just dropped, which seems
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to sort of be a sword hanging over Eric adams
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head that he really better helped the administration with its
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anti illegal immigrant efforts or else the charges could be refiled,
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but it was interesting to see, well the people who
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are running DJ, like when they were going through their
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Senate confirmation hearings, like Pam Bondi said that they were
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very opposed to the weaponization of DJ to go after
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political enemies of the as opposed to just a polding
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rule of law. And the Public Corruption Unit at DJ
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has really a an abysmal track record compared to other
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groups within DJ. They routinely go after people and then
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end up getting overturned at the Supreme Court like nine
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to nothing, and they seem to be very drunk on
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their power to go after people. So the concern with
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the Eric Adams' indictment was really about the Eric Adams
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investigation itself. So it's not necessarily that Eric Adams as
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pure as the driven snow, which I don't think many
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people would say, but that the evidence suggests that the
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investigation into him ramped up dramatically after he started criticizing
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the Biden administration. And when you do that, when you
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go after people unequally based on their political criticisms of you,
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that's the whole problem with the Department of Justice. And
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so when Pam Bondi and or the other people I
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think it was evil BOV had to drop this indictment.
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There were other issues too. They did it in the
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and you know, makes it hard for him to communicate
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with people while he's mayor because he's under indictment and
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effect security clearances. It also makes it hard, like he
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felt they felt that he had to pick an untimely
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court date because if he took as much time as
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he needed to go through all the documents that they have,
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that it would put it past the election, when he'd
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like to be done with this before his next election.
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You know, all these sorts of political considerations which are
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always in play. So they tell the Southern District, New York,
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which is a notoriously left wing district, that they need
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to drop the charges. And they that thus began like
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a series of people resigning and broadcasting to the media
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their letters of resignation where they claimed that, you know,
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there was no justification for dropping these charges. And I
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think it's been oddly enough like a good way to
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root out some of the problems at DJ, because you
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don't have to agree completely with your bosses at DJ.
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But if they say we're going to stop weaponizing the
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Department of Justice and doing these political prosecutions. Yeah, you
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can quit. You know, you can quit if you really
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really think strongly that they're wrong. But the like sort
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of dramatic way in which they're going out and you know,
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trying to become martyrs over it is a good indication
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that they shouldn't be there.
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I'll just say, he's on TV talking to administration officials.
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What was the guy the name of the guy who's
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doings heading up immigration enforcement? Holman? Is it? Yeah, he's
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on there joking with him, like you better do what
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we said. You know, it's like such a quid pro quo.
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I get that a lot of the people who are like,
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you know, grand standing and stepping down are not great people,
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though some of them seem okay to me. But I
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don't know, I don't know. It just seems a bit problematic.
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First of it's not like the first time in history
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that someone said, if you like help with this other thing,
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your charges will be lowered, or.
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To help someone go after a bigger target or something
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as far as a legal I mean.
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So the charge with Eric Adams, who is like notoriously
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like all Democrats in New York, not the cleanest person
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I think, is that he took plane upgrades, and you
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can say that you really think that's an important issue,
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more important than securing the nation's borders or fighting, you know,
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the craziness of what's happening in New York. That's an argument,
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but it's not like a totally settled thing. I do
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want to say one thing about the woman who made
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a big show out of quitting rather than dropping the
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charges and forgetting her name Sasoon, Danielle Sassoon, And everyone
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was like, she was a Scalia clerk and therefore you
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cannot criticize her. And they were also saying she was
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a Federalist Society member. And the Federalist Society, not to
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be confused with the Federalist is an organization for liberty
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Arrian and conservative lawyers. But you can anyone can join
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by paying dues. And I'm not one hundred percent certain
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she is a member. They would link to her profile
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on their website and it says quite clearly like if
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you're pictured here, it means you've spoken at a Federalist
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Society event or done something like that, or been published.
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And the Federalist Society is known for having debates. You
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know they'll have a left winger and a right winger
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come on a debate. That does not mean they're all members.
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I mean they'll had a left winger person a right
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wing person debate. And in her case, she was on
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with Harvey Wilkinson, which was the very good judge she
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clerked for before Scalia, talking about something I don't even
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remember what it was, the nineteen sixties or something. Anyway,
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I tweeted that out, and all of a sudden I
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started hearing from a ton of people about how they
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were surprised that anyone was defending her letter, saying she
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would never, you know, drop these charges, and how a
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gas she was at it. And my favorite thing that
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someone pointed out to me is so she kept on
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saying like did I mention I worked for Scalia? And
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Scalia said this, and did I mention? You know? These
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she would let drop different names. Robert Jackson, former Attorney
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General an emil Bow, in his response to her, pointed
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out where Scalia would have been a gast at her argument,
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and also Jackson, but someone pointed out a third problem.
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She cited Posner Judge Posner, the great libertarian judge out
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of the Seventh Circuit, saying that he would have opposed.
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He would have made a court not drop a charge,
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not tolerate dropping a charge if he thought there was
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a quid pro quo about it or something. And so
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she links to his argument, but if you read his argument,
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he actually says the opposite. It's very originalist. It's very
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much about who has the authority to prosecute. It's clearly
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the executive branch. So if they want to drop, they
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should drop, even if you don't agree with their logic.
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And she messed up the Posner's citation and you had
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00:53:56.639 --> 00:53:59.559
to read it to you anyway. That was exciting to me.
958
00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:06.480
But board of course I'm not bored. Elena Kagan spoke
959
00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:09.000
at Federalist Society events.
960
00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:10.480
Then she must be their best member.
961
00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:19.039
Let's do culture, Let's just do it. Did you watch
962
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:22.159
the USA Canada game, by the way, well.
963
00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:26.000
A little bit of it, the important parts, which I
964
00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:30.599
think you know happened in the first nine seconds at.
965
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:34.880
The three fights. Yeah. Now, I was so excited that
966
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:37.199
everyone got a little you know, because there aren't a
967
00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:38.840
ton of hockey fans out there, and you know, I'm
968
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:42.559
a massive hockey fan, so it was nice for people
969
00:54:42.559 --> 00:54:48.440
to get a taste of the speed, the excitement, and
970
00:54:48.519 --> 00:54:51.000
quite frankly, the violence of hockey. I mean there were
971
00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:55.199
three fights. I'm a New York Rangers fan. JT. Miller's
972
00:54:55.239 --> 00:54:58.199
on our team fought a six to six Canadian defenseman
973
00:54:58.239 --> 00:55:01.440
that was exciting, and the Tuck brothers both fought. I
974
00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:03.119
have to say, so all year I'm like, this is
975
00:55:03.159 --> 00:55:05.400
a money grab. I hate it. You know, I hate
976
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:11.280
All Star games. I just I can't stand them. And
977
00:55:11.320 --> 00:55:14.480
then when it happened, I was just like charging up
978
00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:16.280
the hill with the flag. I was so excited.
979
00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:19.760
I loved everything about it. So I loved that Justin
980
00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:23.840
Trudeau was there with a camera on him. I loved
981
00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:27.719
the booing, meaning it was like, Okay, if you're going
982
00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:30.360
to do this to your very good friends to the south,
983
00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:33.639
the United States of America, this probably isn't going to
984
00:55:33.679 --> 00:55:35.119
go well for you. And then I love that they
985
00:55:35.159 --> 00:55:38.440
waited until the moment, you know, the whistle blew or whatever,
986
00:55:38.480 --> 00:55:40.840
and then it was just take off the gloves and
987
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:43.840
go for it. I like that there are ethics to
988
00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:46.760
fighting in hockey. I like that they allow it to happen.
989
00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:49.639
It reminds me of you know, in baseball, So like
990
00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:52.239
if you show boat. If you get a home run
991
00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:55.079
off of a picture and you show boat, the picture
992
00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:58.400
is required to being the very next person who's up
993
00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:03.159
to bat, and then the team is required to get
994
00:56:03.199 --> 00:56:05.800
out of the dugout. And you know, there are these
995
00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:08.480
rules you're supposed to follow to keep order in the game.
996
00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:11.039
And hockey has so many fights. That's why they have
997
00:56:11.039 --> 00:56:14.480
no teeth. But I like that they do it. I
998
00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:15.880
don't know, it's just this nice.
999
00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:19.199
They don't fight as often as they used to, by
1000
00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:21.039
the way, and a lot of times they are so
1001
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:24.360
called enforcers on a team that keep the piece or
1002
00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:26.559
fight each other so that others don't do it. So
1003
00:56:26.599 --> 00:56:29.119
in hockey, if you don't have fights, you know, there's
1004
00:56:29.119 --> 00:56:31.719
frustration builds and you start using your stick and stuff.
1005
00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:35.159
That's much more dangerous. But the thing here was that
1006
00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:38.400
these are all all stars, like, these are top players fighting.
1007
00:56:38.440 --> 00:56:42.079
These are real players fighting. Brady Kuchuk and Matthew Matthew
1008
00:56:42.119 --> 00:56:45.039
Kachuck's a Stanley Cup winning players like an elite player,
1009
00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:51.159
he's fighting, and that makes it much more emotional and real,
1010
00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:53.039
you know what I mean. There's not like a set
1011
00:56:53.079 --> 00:56:55.239
fight where two you know, goons go at it. These
1012
00:56:55.239 --> 00:56:57.880
were real players playing for their country, not even the
1013
00:56:57.920 --> 00:57:00.840
team that pays them. Really, you know, that's what.
1014
00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:02.639
I loved about it, and it reminded me very much
1015
00:57:02.679 --> 00:57:04.519
of the Miracle on Ice thing. You know, I play
1016
00:57:04.599 --> 00:57:07.599
for the United States of America. Wait, is that what
1017
00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:08.960
it's called Miracle on ice today?
1018
00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:11.679
Miracle is the movie? On Ice is the event? Yeah?
1019
00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:16.400
Thanks, I highly recommend Mierica.
1020
00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:21.480
I love that movie. But k Russell plays her Brooks,
1021
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:25.119
the coach, and he does a fantastic job. Obviously, That's
1022
00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:28.559
one of the pivotal moments of my youth watching the
1023
00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:29.639
USA win gold.
1024
00:57:29.679 --> 00:57:33.760
But yeah, oh, because I don't remember that.
1025
00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:37.239
Wasn't that, like Naty, I'm a little older eighty it
1026
00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:37.679
was ten?
1027
00:57:37.960 --> 00:57:40.840
Yeah, So I liked also the learning that they had
1028
00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:43.480
a group chat where they plotted what to do if
1029
00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:47.519
they booed the if they booed our anthem, even just
1030
00:57:47.559 --> 00:57:52.440
that this like American pride. We went from every lame
1031
00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:57.480
athlete in the country kneeling for the national anthem to
1032
00:57:57.599 --> 00:58:02.239
having people fight over another country disrespecting our national anthem.
1033
00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:04.159
And I just love that.
1034
00:58:04.280 --> 00:58:07.280
So I got to tell you something that never infiltrated hockey.
1035
00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:08.639
You know, what I mean that stuff.
1036
00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:11.559
I mean they tried, but hockey was very resistant.
1037
00:58:11.639 --> 00:58:15.960
Yes, yeah, for people don't follow hockey, this Canadian team
1038
00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:17.880
is amazing and beating them was a big deal. But
1039
00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:20.039
there's a championship game Wednesday, and it's going to be
1040
00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:20.719
a tough one.
1041
00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:22.280
Who are we playing.
1042
00:58:23.719 --> 00:58:26.559
Canada? So Canada beat Sweden I think it was, and
1043
00:58:26.599 --> 00:58:29.039
they'll play the United States on Wednesday for the championship
1044
00:58:29.039 --> 00:58:33.840
of the Four Nations. Now there, I'll give you two names. Okay,
1045
00:58:33.840 --> 00:58:36.360
there's like McDavid and McKinnon. Those are two plays. I
1046
00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:38.800
think they're the two best skaters who have ever played hockey,
1047
00:58:38.840 --> 00:58:41.039
and they're on like play together on the power play
1048
00:58:41.079 --> 00:58:44.079
for Canada. So it's going to be a tough, tough game.
1049
00:58:44.840 --> 00:58:47.519
I wish yeah, we won that last game in part
1050
00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:51.840
because to me, it seems like in Canada hockey is
1051
00:58:51.880 --> 00:58:56.119
almost a religion, whereas for us it's like the fourth
1052
00:58:56.320 --> 00:59:01.599
major sport if yeah, football and basketball and baseball. So
1053
00:59:03.119 --> 00:59:06.199
that we beat them, even if it's just that one game,
1054
00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:08.159
although it just seems like if we could beat them,
1055
00:59:08.199 --> 00:59:09.480
then why can't we beat them again?
1056
00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:12.599
No, we can. Don't get me wrong. America has made
1057
00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:14.280
like when I was young, there are very few good,
1058
00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:16.840
really good American players. Now there are tons of great
1059
00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:18.960
American players, but you know.
1060
00:59:19.239 --> 00:59:21.400
It's still the and it is going to be so upset.
1061
00:59:21.400 --> 00:59:23.119
They're going to come back with all they've got.
1062
00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:26.400
It's going to be tough, and they haven't want to.
1063
00:59:26.519 --> 00:59:28.679
I liked hermind. Canadians they haven't wont to Stanley Cup.
1064
00:59:28.760 --> 00:59:31.400
None of their teams haven't won one since nineteen ninety four.
1065
00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:35.119
So they're very frustrated and these things are important to them,
1066
00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:39.239
and I understand that. But anyway, I'm happy that people
1067
00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:44.480
got to see some hockey and hopefully create some new fans.
1068
00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:47.360
What you what else? What else? What else? Are we?
1069
00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:48.199
Where are we going to talk?
1070
00:59:48.239 --> 00:59:50.320
I don't have much to report. I've been traveling a lot,
1071
00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:53.960
and I'm sorry about that. But I did watch a
1072
00:59:54.039 --> 00:59:57.360
little bit of the Saturday Night Live fiftieth anniversary thing.
1073
00:59:57.440 --> 00:59:58.719
Did you see that? No?
1074
00:59:59.119 --> 01:00:00.840
I didn't even really underst and what it was about.
1075
01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:03.880
Is it one show or was it like segments?
1076
01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:07.719
You know, fiftieth anniversary of the programs. They had a
1077
01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:10.920
star studded like audience. Everyone was in black tie and
1078
01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:15.519
they were all former former hosts or cast members that
1079
01:00:15.559 --> 01:00:17.480
were in the audience, and then they just did yeah,
1080
01:00:17.559 --> 01:00:20.840
kind of a retrospect, something between a retrospective and a
1081
01:00:20.840 --> 01:00:25.760
current show, some new musical work that paid homage to
1082
01:00:25.800 --> 01:00:30.559
other people like Miley Cyrus sang nothing compares to you,
1083
01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:35.519
you know, good try she had there. But last week
1084
01:00:35.559 --> 01:00:39.039
I was in Hillsdale and Scott Bertram is the guy
1085
01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:43.519
who runs Radio Free Hillsdale and he also has a podcast.
1086
01:00:43.559 --> 01:00:45.960
Oh you know, someone was saying that they wanted recommendations
1087
01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:48.199
of other podcasts, which I'm not the right person to
1088
01:00:49.360 --> 01:00:52.639
ask about that. I always mentioned Issues, etc. Which is
1089
01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:55.880
my favorite, but I don't really listen to a ton
1090
01:00:56.159 --> 01:00:59.760
that nobody would have heard of. But Scott Bertram is
1091
01:00:59.800 --> 01:01:02.880
doing this fifty year retrospective on Saturday Night Live where
1092
01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:06.000
he goes through each season and kind of evaluates each
1093
01:01:06.079 --> 01:01:10.920
season with its own special podcasts. And we were talking
1094
01:01:11.000 --> 01:01:14.559
and he said something last week about Michael Chay, who's
1095
01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:19.000
one of the weekend update anchors, being undervalued. I am
1096
01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:24.000
totally forgetting what his argument was, but he said that
1097
01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:25.920
he always felt like Michael cha was the one that
1098
01:01:26.519 --> 01:01:29.519
would seem to understand. He said, he seems to understand
1099
01:01:29.559 --> 01:01:32.159
conservatives a little bit better. So I'm walking in on
1100
01:01:32.519 --> 01:01:37.440
SNL last week end, and he was talking about all
1101
01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:40.840
the awards that SNL had won over the last fifty years,
1102
01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:43.239
you know, Emmy's this and Emmy's that, And he said,
1103
01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:47.639
and we have fourteen guys named Tony on staff, you know,
1104
01:01:47.719 --> 01:01:50.360
so like a Tony Award. And it shows a picture
1105
01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:53.840
of all the production crew, and so he's praising them,
1106
01:01:53.880 --> 01:01:56.519
and he says at the end that he'd also like
1107
01:01:56.960 --> 01:02:02.480
to congratulate them on their JA six pardons, which I
1108
01:02:02.599 --> 01:02:04.519
just loved, like it was and I was like, oh,
1109
01:02:04.559 --> 01:02:08.679
Scott's right, you know, like that's a joke that has
1110
01:02:08.800 --> 01:02:13.639
layers and humility associate you know. I don't know, I
1111
01:02:13.679 --> 01:02:15.760
just like loved it. And then Scott was saying also
1112
01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:18.320
that he was the one who did the original Black
1113
01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:22.239
Jeopardy thing that Tom Hanks was on. Oh.
1114
01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:24.920
I saw that everyone was upset about that, but I
1115
01:02:25.360 --> 01:02:28.079
think they miss I think they misunderstood the point of
1116
01:02:28.119 --> 01:02:31.360
that at least five Yeah, I didn't see.
1117
01:02:31.119 --> 01:02:33.960
It this weekend because I'll try and catch it later.
1118
01:02:34.039 --> 01:02:38.199
But that whole skit is about how MAGA voters and
1119
01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:40.360
black people have a lot in common. That's the whole
1120
01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:42.599
point of it, and it's a Michael creation. So I
1121
01:02:42.639 --> 01:02:44.519
was like, oh, maybe I should be giving Michael Chay
1122
01:02:44.559 --> 01:02:48.880
another look here. I don't really want Allan Jost, who
1123
01:02:48.880 --> 01:02:51.440
would presumably be a relative of mine because that's my
1124
01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:53.920
mom's maiden name. I find him a little smug and
1125
01:02:54.639 --> 01:02:55.280
difficult to listen.
1126
01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:57.199
He's a merit to Scarlet Johansson. That one.
1127
01:02:57.440 --> 01:02:59.800
That's a good. That's that's a that's he must be
1128
01:02:59.840 --> 01:03:01.599
a pressive in other ways that I have not been
1129
01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:02.280
revealed to me.
1130
01:03:04.159 --> 01:03:06.760
Can I tell you a story about me? So in
1131
01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:09.480
nineteen ninety eight or ninety nine, I forget which when
1132
01:03:09.519 --> 01:03:14.239
it was there. I was working at Associated Press in
1133
01:03:14.280 --> 01:03:18.800
New York. Yeah, you know, in sports. I wasn't yet
1134
01:03:19.039 --> 01:03:22.440
in the political world. And when you work in sports,
1135
01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:25.159
you work late night, you know, two, three, four am,
1136
01:03:25.199 --> 01:03:27.639
and that's when you go home. So after a long
1137
01:03:27.719 --> 01:03:29.800
I think it was Saturday, and it was definitely Saturday night,
1138
01:03:29.880 --> 01:03:32.360
after a long day and night of work, me and
1139
01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:35.480
my friends co workers left there. We were going to go
1140
01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:37.440
get a drink at the bar there and I'm walking
1141
01:03:37.960 --> 01:03:41.039
the AP offices were in Rockefeller Center and I'm walking
1142
01:03:41.079 --> 01:03:44.880
out and that day was a twenty fifth anniversary of
1143
01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:47.360
Saturday Night Live. So I walk into a crowd of
1144
01:03:47.400 --> 01:03:49.320
like people. You know in New York there's always weird
1145
01:03:49.320 --> 01:03:51.480
stuff going on. People are in tuxedos. I look up.
1146
01:03:51.679 --> 01:03:56.800
There's Steve Martin, there's Pharrell, there's Al Franklin, there's Tom Hanks. Like,
1147
01:03:56.800 --> 01:03:59.440
I'm in the middle of a group of people like
1148
01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:02.239
that who had just come out after you know, it
1149
01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:04.239
must have been like three am or whenever. It was
1150
01:04:05.039 --> 01:04:08.280
from the twenty fifth anniversary of SNL. It was a
1151
01:04:08.400 --> 01:04:11.239
surreal moment in my life. I wanted to share that
1152
01:04:11.280 --> 01:04:15.239
with you and everyone else is listening was that? So
1153
01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:19.000
I actually, have you ever watched Alone?
1154
01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:20.599
No?
1155
01:04:20.679 --> 01:04:22.239
I saw you tweeting about it and I was like,
1156
01:04:22.360 --> 01:04:24.480
I need to know what he's talking about. I have
1157
01:04:24.599 --> 01:04:25.000
no idea.
1158
01:04:25.199 --> 01:04:27.760
It's this show where they just drop these people, usually
1159
01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:30.119
in Alaska, right, So they'll drop them off in the
1160
01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:33.320
middle of the wilderness. They have ten items, and whoever
1161
01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:37.519
survives the longest in the wild without any help wins.
1162
01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:43.400
Now typically it's just a basically a contest of starvation.
1163
01:04:44.119 --> 01:04:49.000
So I did bring just here Alone Australia recently. But
1164
01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:51.639
the funniest thing is and someone pointed this out to me.
1165
01:04:51.760 --> 01:04:54.760
Is that the guy who comes in like I'm a survivalist,
1166
01:04:54.800 --> 01:04:58.039
you know, I was in the Marines. This that big guy.
1167
01:04:57.559 --> 01:05:01.519
They often will last one night before they're on the
1168
01:05:01.559 --> 01:05:04.280
phone crying to be taken out for some reason. Like
1169
01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:09.159
the toughest guys have a trouble lasting. And even I'm like,
1170
01:05:09.360 --> 01:05:12.000
I call them candy asses because literally I feel like
1171
01:05:12.079 --> 01:05:14.400
I can last more than one night. I just sit
1172
01:05:14.480 --> 01:05:16.559
there and not eat for a day and last. But
1173
01:05:16.679 --> 01:05:19.360
sometimes people call it one day. Anyway. The woman, Oh,
1174
01:05:19.400 --> 01:05:21.800
I don't want to give it away. Actually women do
1175
01:05:21.960 --> 01:05:24.920
very well. They're like picking berries, you know, and stuff
1176
01:05:24.960 --> 01:05:27.199
like that. Yeah, and they can so anyway, I enjoy
1177
01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:27.880
the show a lot.
1178
01:05:28.119 --> 01:05:30.480
So do you get any You don't have like a
1179
01:05:30.519 --> 01:05:33.719
gun or a fishing rod or anything like.
1180
01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:36.880
That, you know, but you will get like hooks so
1181
01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:38.960
you can make your own rods. It depends where you
1182
01:05:39.039 --> 01:05:42.400
are in the Alaska. Once you're like, there are grizzly
1183
01:05:42.440 --> 01:05:44.519
bears around and stuff. So I get why people get
1184
01:05:44.519 --> 01:05:48.199
a bit nervous. The Australian one. There's nothing. There's no
1185
01:05:48.280 --> 01:05:51.320
other wallabies, like that was the worst animal. I don't know,
1186
01:05:51.440 --> 01:05:53.639
poss some So anyway, I.
1187
01:05:53.559 --> 01:05:55.559
Watch that interesting.
1188
01:05:56.320 --> 01:05:58.440
I just want to really recommend to show The Stranger,
1189
01:05:58.480 --> 01:06:00.719
which I mentioned last week. I went to the end.
1190
01:06:01.159 --> 01:06:04.559
Harlan Coben is this writer and he produces and it's
1191
01:06:04.559 --> 01:06:06.280
based on his book and it was just a really
1192
01:06:06.320 --> 01:06:09.039
fun eight episode mystery.
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So this has nothing to do necessarily with a loan.
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But my sister and I were reminiscing about this time.
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It was my parents' fiftieth anniversary and we all got
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together and we decided that we would hike from Breckinridge
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to Frisco. There's like a trail you can take that
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totally seemed manageable and doable. But some of the smarter
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people in our group made it about like a half
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mile and they were like, we're going back, and the
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rest of us were like, Oh, what's the big deal?
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You know, no big deal. Anyway, it was it I
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think that I'm thinking about this because I was like,
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what's the big deal? A nine mile hike in no
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big this is going to be fine. And by the
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end we were kind of near tears and very hungry.
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Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Also, in Colorado,
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you have to be careful because a lot of people.
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People go out on these like innocuous hikes and then
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all of a sudden, there's like a snowstorm in April,
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you know what I mean, and they're stuck and like
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the helicopters have to go get them.
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And I do remember when we came into Frisco that
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there was a moose near the trailhead and people were
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freaking out about it. And I mentioned this because I
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have talked with Alaskins about this. People are always freaking
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out about bears, but they say that if you're local,
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you're more likely to freak out about the moose, like
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it's much more like dangerous.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. I'm I'm at two with nature.
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I'm the indoor type, so I have no interest in
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being around moose. Is it mease or moose's no clue?
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Or bears? And I did actually steer that I'm two
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with nature from Woody Allen. And I want to say
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there's a new Woody Allen biography out that I think
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is the best one ever written. I've read them all,
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I'm a massive, massive fan. It's called Demochery of a Sham,
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which is a line out of bananas. Just so detailed,
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so it's just a great book. I'm kind of surprised
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that it was published, considering his position and culture right
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now and how people treat him in what they think
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of him, But it is just if you're a fan.
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I think it's fantastic and I highly recommend it. And
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that's all I have.
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I just want to say on that point, I'm hoping
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we're coming out of this era as well. You think
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about like Elon Musk who's fathered yet another child who
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is not raising in an intact family, and there are
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all these problems, and Woody Allen and his behavior and
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blah blah blah. I really hope we get to the
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part where we can handle people being sinful men and
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also recognizing when they have artistic value or other greatness.
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And I don't mean by that to excuse any of
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the bad behavior, but it's just gotten. Like if you
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look throughout history, a lot of the people who accomplished
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amazing things also work complete rex personally, and we should
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be able to hold two thoughts in our mind at once.
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I think Nick Kve, the singer, has a I guess
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an email list where he answers readers questions, and someone
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sent him in an email this week saying, you say
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you love Kanye West. You say that this song by
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Kanye West is what you want played at your funeral.
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What do you think? Now, he's a Nazi, he's an
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anti semit and all that, and he gave this just
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really thoughtful answer about Listen, you can't really separate people
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from the art. I think he's like, that's ridiculous. If
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they're bad people, you have to acknowledge that. But you also,
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in life are trying to find beauty. And if you
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find beauty in a weird place or in a place
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that has something evil associated with it, even that doesn't
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mean that the thing isn't beautiful, And you can make
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that distinction in your mind, like you were just saying,
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I mean, you don't have to pretend that it's not
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a bad that it doesn't come from a bad place,
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but it's still beautiful. So I think that's a good
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way to look at the world.
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Yeah, but I mean, like on that one in particular,
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if you Thinkanye West is in his right mind, you're
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too stupid to like function.
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Yeah right, Yeah, I mean it is.
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Not an issue of like Kanye West put a lot
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of thought into it and decided to become an anti Semite,
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Like I think Kanye West is not well and so
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when and also that he seems to maybe at different
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parts of his life beyond his meds or not. And
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so when the idea that you would judge someone's entire
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work and creative output based on the fact that they're
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nuts right now, it seems just again it's like a
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ridiculous inability to understand what's going on.
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There are a lot of art, you know, writers for instance,
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who are I would say anti Semites, Roald Dall or someone.
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I mean, so first of all, how long That's.
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What's challenging, because he like really is right or he
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really was Yeah.
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He wasn't he meant that? And yeah, I mean there
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are people who or like Richard or Wagner himself, Like,
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I mean, there are people, so you just you know,
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you take it one by one. I don't think, incidentally,
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the Woody Allen falls into the Kanye West or even
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you know, Roman Polanski school. I think it's more complicated
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than that. You know, we don't have to get into that.
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But yeah, I mean, I think you can appreciate our
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things that are beautiful and acknowledge that people are flawed
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and sometimes evil even and that there's still beauty. I
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don't know. It's just a weird, a weird thing to
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have to deal with, I guess. But Kanye West, yeah,
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he's mental. I think he's mentally ill, right, and no
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one really takes them serious. I mean, it doesn't excuse
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what he's saying, but he's still not something we should
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take very seriously. Right, all right, that was a good
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way to end. Please send us mail. We're at radio
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you until we see you next. Be lovers of freedom
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That's great. It starts with the nerds.
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Great bird snake scenario.
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Way Lenny Bruce is not
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Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You Were
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Wrong with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of the Federalist
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and David Harsani's senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just
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as a reminder, if you'd like to email us, please
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do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. We'd
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love to hear from you. Has it got Molly? Where
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are you?
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I'm in New York, and I do want to apologize
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for the twenty minutes I spent trying to set up
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my microphone and failing, so I hope everyone can hear me.
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And but yeah, I'm in New York doing some stuff
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for Fox this week, and also a not a debate,
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but like a discussion with Doug Shown, who's a Democrat
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pollster and strategist type.
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That'd be interesting. Let's first start with I think the
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big news this week was Vance's speech Munich for this
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Munich Security Council. Correct, so he basically attacked Europe, right,
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I mean, you know, I wouldn't say an attack on Europe.
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He said that really the main danger, or the central
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danger is from within, not from without. So I think
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he's speaking about Russia probably and even China. He's saying
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that the two main reasons are censorship and mass immigration, right,
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is that fair to say?
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Well, yeah, I think the censorship component was partly about
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freedom of speech. It was also about freedom of religion
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and attacks on freedom of religion. But everyone goes to
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this Munich security conference for back paths and everyone being
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told that what we're doing is great. And so for
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the last several years it's all been about how Russia
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is an existential threat to the rest of the world
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and now we all need to fight this proxy war
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in Ukraine if we love democracy, and so he goes
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and he says, so, if you love democracy, you need
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to start respecting elections. He mentions the Romanian election that
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they just decided not to accept based on a very
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flimsy claim that turned out not to be true of
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Russian interference. There was a sort of election interference in Romania,
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but it came from like a third party that thought
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they were playing the system very well and it turned
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out to backfire against them. And then he talks about,
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you know, the threat of censorship restrictions on speech and
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it wasn't to me an attack on Europe. Since he
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also was pointing out that much of what had been
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done had been done with either the TACIT approval or
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the support of the United States. It was really an
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attack on illiberalism in Western democracies. I took it that way.
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Well. One of the for me it was I wrote
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a book called Eurotrash a few years ago where I
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went over a lot of these problems I think in
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some depth, and I obviously agreed with the central focus
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of his speech. Though the pushback was ridiculous, and the
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pushback came from European elites. One guy I think it
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was some kind of German under secretary. Actually it was
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like tearing up whilst talking about this. I don't know
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if you saw that. I also have to say I was.
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Doing TV yesterday with Rich Lowry and Randon Divine, and
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when they showed that, we all spontaneously laughed at the
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tears because, of course, that German dude was the same
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one who mocked and laughed at Trump's UN speech when
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he said that Germany should care about energy independence, and
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of course he was right after somebody we don't know
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precisely whom blew up the Nord Stream to pipeline, which
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really put Germany in a world of hurt. So nobody
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was laughing.
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Then let's talk about the censorship part of it. So
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here the next day or two days later, maybe I
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forget exactly. Mark or reviews being interviewed by Margaret Brennan
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on CBS News and she asks him or she it's
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not even asking. She points out that Advance was standing.
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This is quote standing in a country where free speech
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was weaponized to conduct a genocide, and he met with
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the head of a political party that has far right
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views and some historic ties to extreme groups. The context
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of that was changing the tone of it. I don't
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know what that means. And then she ends with this,
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and you know that the censorship was specifically about the right.
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A lot of people zoomed in, I think rightly on
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the claim that free speech was weaponized to conduct genocide. Now,
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Marco Ruby immediately pointed out that there was no free
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speech in Nazi Germany. There was no political opposition in
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Nazi Germany. But what he should have also pointed out,
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obviously he didn't expect such idiocy I assume in this
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interview was that the Weimer Republic, which preceded the Third Reich,
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also had all kinds of hate speech laws on the
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books that they shut down the newspapers of the Nazis.
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De Schumer was shut down like a dozen times within
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ten years. The propagandists of the Nazi Party were arrest
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did constantly, and it did nothing. It made the martyrs
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and just showered attention on them. And I'm not saying
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this right wing German party today is the same as
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the Nazi, but I'm just saying that that also is
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part of it.
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So anyway, well, just to take a step away from
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the Munich thing, I've been thinking about this as it
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relates to domestic politics. There are all these reports of
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the Democrat Party and disarray and people the Democrat donors
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are very frustrated with what they got for their billions
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of dollars they gave in the last election to achieve
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very poor results. And I think part of it is
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because we reached the limit of their political activism. And
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what I mean is they built this censorship complex that
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was helping Democrats a lot. People have noted that Donald
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Trump's genius as he picks the eighty percent side of
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eighty twenty issues, you know where eighty percent of Americans are,
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He's there. Well, that's what's been true for the right
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for a long time is that they generally are with
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the majority of the country. So why have they been
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losing so many elections. I think it's because the media
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take that twenty percent and they weaponize it. To use
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Margaret Brennan's favorite word, you know, they act like, they
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act like they're a majority, no matter how radical the issue.
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So they make it so you can't even talk honestly
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about what trans radicalism is, you know. And so it
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all worked really well to keep Democrats in power and
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to thwart the will of the electorate for decades, and
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then something happened recently where we finally reached the end
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of that and the media no longer have credibility, and
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so they kind of got hoisted by their own censorship petard,
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their own information complex petard, and they're not able to
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achieve the results that they kind of thought would happen
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in perpetuity. I don't know if that makes sense.
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But yeah, it makes sense. I just one quick thing
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about what she said at the end that people haven't
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this was specifically about the right. This wasn't just about centience,
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was about the right. Well, is it the right the
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only political movement that is a danger to freedom? Because
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think Hungary is in a liberal place. But I also
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the only illiberalism, can only come from the right. This
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was just about the right. Why can't we just censor
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the right? Well, I mean, I've detailed this in that book,
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you know, in eurotresh But the right here, the left here,
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I'm sorry, The New York Times, CBS News and elsewhere
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they want to adopt those liberal policies here they completely
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agree with the European censorship that goes on in Europe.
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If you read the Bible out loud, you know, and
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someone teams at homophobic you can be arrested. There's a
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guy in jail, has a four year sentence for he's
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a fascist, no doubt about it. But he's in jail
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for four years. So the Democrats who call you and
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I a fascists, right, would we be in jail? Then?
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You know we're an existential threat to democracy supposedly.
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about freedom of speech and freedom of religion and the
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need to accept election results and listen to what the
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people want and need when you're governing them. I liked
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all of that, but I will admit that I thought
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that who could possibly oppose this? You know who? Yes,
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it was kind of an in your face speech, but
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if you hear what he's talking about, it would be
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very difficult to say, actually, we're on the other side.
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we're on the other side of free speech. They all
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started in mass defending restrictions on the press and on speech,
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and I'm just thinking, this is insane. I I don't
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know what they're The.
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New York Editorial Time, the editorial page of the New
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York Times constantly has pieces saying this exact thing. I
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would say that I disagreed with something he said, or
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how he framed it. And I get that he's a politician,
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and I get the politicians do this, but conflating democracy
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and liberty is a big problem. Most people in Europe
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probably do like some sort of censorship right, so what
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that doesn't That doesn't I don't want to give the
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people what they want. I want to protect individual rights.
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even because I don't care about that. Every we have
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a neutral, you know, right to free you know, how
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can I say an impartial right to free speech. So
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this idea that we have to give the people what
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they want, I think it's it's can be.
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anti democracy tirades, but I don't disagree with you. Just
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because a majority of people say that someone should be
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killed doesn't mean that that person should be killed. Or
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just because a majority of people don't love freedom of
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religion doesn't mean that you don't have a natural right
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to practice your religious beliefs. At the same time, it
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is true that governments derive their legitimacy from the consent
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of the governed, and I think the reason why the
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European leaders had their little emergency session in Paris is
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that they're terrified. They have been able to thwart what
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their people want for a really long time, mostly in
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pursuit of mass migration, and I think they're worried they're
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going to lose some elections, as they should be.
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between you just alluded to, between each place and people
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who don't really believe in free speech. If you believe
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in God, but even if you don't, you believe that
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the state is here to protect your free speech rights,
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not bestow it on you. But the Convention of Human
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and then gives like fifteen exemptions for why you can
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stop free speech. Can I read you a couple national security,
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territorial integrity, public safety, disorder or crime, health or morals,
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the reputation of other people. So in essence, there is
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no free speech right there, and that I think is
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the difference. That was my only problem with his speech.
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I think he assumes, like people in the Middle East,
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that everyone's just yearning for freedom. I don't know that
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Europeans are yearning for freedom. I don't know that Germans
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are yearning for freedom. History tells me otherwise, to be
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honest with you, and so that was my only problem.
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I think what you're seeing with the leaders at the
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Munich conference, they're freak out over being told that they
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are bad in how they deal with free speech and
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freedom of religion and honoring elections. They're freaking out, and
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our media are freaking out because there's something like at heart,
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some of our elites aren't super into America or what
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makes us different from other countries. They genuinely support the
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censorship industrial regime. They genuinely think that they should be
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the arbiters of what you're allowed to talk about. And
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it's a very un American idea that you would limit
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someone else's right to debate you or speak their mind.
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in agreement with these these European leaders.
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is an American But they will argue that the Internet
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era is different and that these principles no longer whole.
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they were right, right, Let's say I'm right. I say, yeah,
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that's a danger to democracy. But they have they call
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every they don't like disinformation misinformation, so they can't be trusted.
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This is why the state can't be trusted, you know
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what I mean?
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Margaret Brennan interview, but did you see the sixty minutes
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segment where they interviewed the three Germans who were talking
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about how great it is to limit what people say.
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like we got it in the original German there. Yeah,
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they were just little authoritarians. I mean, first of all,
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one of the women says, we can't just have people
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saying whatever they want. They have to be limits because
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you're intimidating people. There are already rules against that every
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Western country. You're not allowed to, you know, intimidate someone
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or threaten someone to her and to many young people
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in the United States, unfortunate, and many on the left,
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words are violence to them. There's no real difference between
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those things. That's why that's such a dangerous idea, as well,
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that sixty minutes piece was just terrible. They couldn't find
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a single person in the entire country to defend free
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speech and the entire world, in all of Europe, in
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all the United States, not one.
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The most embarrassing part of it was the questions were
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the questions didn't in any There was no pushback, there
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was no effort to challenge them on this.
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I we grew up right, everyone agreed free speech was great.
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sparked by the left, you know, and now you know
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it's incredible. You know, when you look at Poles, I'm
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sorry of young people. Many of them don't believe in
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free speech. That if you ask them, should a pro
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life would be allowed to come to your college and speak,
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like twenty percent say yes. On the other side, seventy
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percent say yes. So that's I think a problem. And
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when you have all the elites in colleges who teach
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them in media, in our government, unless Elon Musks is
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a way and sweeps them away, they also believe in censorship.
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when it comes to speech? Right now?
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I'm I'm much feeling much better right now than I
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have in ten years. Like I am someone who actually
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was personally on a government censorship list. This was revealed
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by the House Judiciary Committee. I'm envious a few years ago.
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And of course the Federalist has experienced extreme censorship for
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pushing back against regime propaganda, and it felt very lonely
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to be battling this, and even Republicans weren't very helpful
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on it, like the vast majority of them were not
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very helpful, with some notable and wonderful exceptions, such as
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Jim Jordan, who's been fighting the free speech fight and
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the freedom of the press fight here a somewhat lonely
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battle for him sometimes. So to finally have someone on
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a global stage saying censorship is wrong, I feel represented
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in politics in a way that I haven't felt represented
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since like Reagan. I mean, it's just wonderful to have
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someone talking about these really important foundational issues and advocating
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for them on a global stage.
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Someone online mentioned that the AP which is not allowed
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to participate in press conferences now because they won't accept
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Golf of America edict, that is a you know, the
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press axis, if that is like the biggest attack on
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free speech. Ever, the AP has a god given right
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to be in the White House press room. But then
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when it comes to vance talking about this, the entire
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media complex all of a sudden defends European censorship of normal,
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regular people who are powerless. Like if in Germany the
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police will show up at your door or rage your
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house if you have mocked leaders, you know, in an
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ugly way usually, but still, and that that doesn't bother
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them at all. I think they'd be all for that,
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you know what I mean. Like they have such a
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distorted view of what free speech means, just.
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From a strategic messaging perspective. The idea that all of
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the media would be defending the Associated Press here while
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simultaneous calling for restrictions on speech debate, Like it just
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doesn't work to try to do both of those things
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at the same time.
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They don't care. They don't have any sort of limiting principles.
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They this is what their whole democracy democracy stick. It
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doesn't really mean anything.
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By the way, the Associated Press, I don't get why
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they're not calling a legal name thing by its legal name.
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I have to say, I find it a little bit
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silly to me. What I believe is that the associated
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depression being there at all. Anyway, they are a propaganda outfit.
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I don't mean that in some sort of like that
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they're biased. They shared, for instance, a building with Hamas,
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they let Hamas dictate the things they wrote, but they
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can't say Gulf of America when the United States government
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switches it up. Yeah, it's just you're trying.
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To understand their logic. Period Like, did they refuse to
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call Denali or Mount McKinley Denali for the few years
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that it was den No.
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I'm sure not.
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Did they do they call the Redskins the Redskins or
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the Commanders When when trans people change their names, they
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always honor the new name, and in fact they will
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pretend like the old name never existed. They'll take it
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so far that they deny the reality that a man
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with a woman's name is a man. So I don't
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I actually don't care that much about Golf of America.
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I don't care. I just don't care. But it is
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a legal name change, so on the grounds, are you
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not Billy? But also it's not saying Gulf of the
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United States it's Gulf of America, which is very ecumenical,
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or whatever you would say for South America, Central America,
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and northwork.
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People always got mad when you call the United States
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America because they're like, you know, it's all America and
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this and that. So yeah, and it's fine.
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I just I wish the AP were kicked out for
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all of the other things it does other than that.
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that simply they're not getting Oval office access, which of
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course is limited to very few people, so I don't
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see why they should get to be there. And then
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they are also I think limited on Air Force one,
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which is true of most reporters are limited on Air
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Force one. And particularly given how they do nothing but
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straight propaganda all the time, I'm fine with them, you know,
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just applying for a day pass every year or there.
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There's a specific reason why some of these politicians hate
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Elon Musk. Elizabeth Warren claims she doesn't accept donations from
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big Pharma. Not only does she collect money, she collects
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more than anyone else does. And the person next in line,
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Bernie Sanders. Check out the Watchdog on Wall Street podcast
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Molly, one thing that just ran across my feet. I
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just want to mention Hamas is releasing some hostages, and
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it's releasing some people who have been killed by them
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to the Israelis for hundreds of you know, terrorists. Here's
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the ABC headline, Hamas will release the bodies of four
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deceased hostages on Thursday. Deceased hostages like, how did they die?
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I wonder two of them? By the way, babies. This
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is kind of the distortion of headlines that are super
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important in the age of social media, because that's what
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a lot of people see. So let me read you
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another headline that people were upset about the other day.
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It's from the Wall Street Journal. Exclusive Dvance pledges to
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hit Russia with sanctions and potentially military action. It's a
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mistake if Putin won't agree to peace deal that guarantees
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Ukraine's independence. People were quite upset about that because they
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claim that, you know, he hadn't actually pledged to do
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those things, and I agree with them. He had said
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that military tools were on the table. But I wanted
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to ask you, how do you feel about that?
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Well?
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First off, on the four murdered Israeli hostages. I mean,
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unless these people truly died of natural causes that had
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nothing to do with being taken hostage by Hamas, it's
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just an inaccurate headline. And the fact that it does
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include these little Babis children, which were some of the
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children I was praying for this, you know, many months.
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It shows how ridiculous it is. You know, you can't
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even not that the adults are any different, but there
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is no argument for murdering these children or treating them
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as enemy combat on enemy combatants and headlines that downplay
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the horrific nature of what's been done. You don't need
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to be like quote unquote taking size to just be
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honest about it. These people killed by Hamas.
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I mean, if you were on the side of the Palestinians,
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you would be more honest about what Hamas does anyway,
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because you'd want you know, this undermines their cause in
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many ways, obviously, And I'm not on the side of
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the Palestine. So I saw Paul recently that showed like
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nine percent of Democrats are sympathetic towards Israel and the
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other percentage or either don't care or sympathetic towards the
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Palestinian cause. So obviously everyone at ABC, all the editors, everyone,
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they're not sympathetic with Israel, so they're always trying their
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best to distort what is actually going on there.
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As for the Wall Street Journal headline, and that is
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the only newspaper I subscribe to, the only daily newspaper
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I subscribe to, So I'm constantly screaming about various editorial
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choices they've made. It just was an inaccurate way to
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describe what JD. Vance is saying. So he's talking, I mean,
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first of all, the entire Trump Vance administration is about
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ending the war in Ukraine and talking to Putin as
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part of that, Like you're not going to get an
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agreement with Putin without talking to him. And in the
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course of that conversation, he's talking about how for Donald Trump,
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you have to put everything on the table in order
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to come to a result that you like, including that
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would be you know, economic sanctions and you know, even
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potentially military stuff. The way that the headline was written
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was as if Trump was threatening Putin with war with
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like an all out war, as opposed to the proxy
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war that that he's trying to get out of. And
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even there was a question there about like what you know,
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Vance said something like Trump really does not want US
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troops in Ukraine. So even if you could say, well,
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technically he said everything was all on the table, that's true,
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but it's just makes it seem like the reporter and
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the editors were too stupid to understand what Vance was saying.
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Well, the word I think that is misleading his pledges
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to do something right, because he's not pledging that, he's
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saying it might be on the table. But just outside
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of that debate, I do find it interesting that he
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is essentially saying that the proxy war could continue if
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Putin doesn't give Ukraine, you know, guarantee its independence. I
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don't even know what that means, because it's obviously going
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to lose territory in any kind of settlement. It already
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has lost territory, you know, in twenty twelve or whenever.
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Twenty fourteen, and Veberina pet hekset. They were really upset
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with him for a few minutes because he said, well,
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obviously Ukraine's not going back to pre twenty fourteen borders,
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which is just a statement of fact. Russia invaded that
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part during the Obama administration. It's not going back to Ukraine.
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You know.
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Did he say also that they wouldn't be part of NATO.
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Yeah, I mean, he didn't say it as strong as
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I would like, but he was saying basically like, in
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the short term, there's no way that Ukraine's going into NATO.
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The idea that we would even be taught talking about
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that as if it were a realistic thing blows my
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mind and says how unserious a lot of these foreign
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policy people are. Yeah, I mean, but just think about this, like,
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how would the United States have taken to Mexico or
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Canada joining the Soviet Union during the Cold War? How
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would they have handled that? Would they have viewed that
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as provocative? Yes, they would have viewed it as provocative.
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It would have almost certainly led to an all out
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nuclear war. If you know, the George H. W. Bush
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era was really smart about understanding Ukraine needs to be
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a buffer between Western Europe and Russia. They should kind
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of be steadfastly neutral. We've been losing just the smart
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minds that understand if you don't want war in Europe,
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you do have to kind of acknowledge reality and not
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be overly provocative to the two sides.
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Yeah, but it was walked back because I think that's
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something you put on the table as far as negotiations go. Right,
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he says it here that president doesn't want Nate doesn't
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think it's a good idea, probably, but that's something you
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hand Russian and say, Okay, if you give us this,
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we'll make sure NATO's not you know, I mean, Ukraine's
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not in NATO. It seems that's the way to approach this.
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I also just quickly want to say that I don't
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think we should make a moral equivalency between NATO and
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the Soviet Union. I get your overall point that it's
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infringing on their sphere of influence in a way, but
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it's not the same thing. NATO doesn't threaten Russian sovereignty.
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They're not gonna invade Moscow. No one wants to take
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Russian land.
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David, there was a period of time, was it Clinton?
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I think it was Clinton was thinking about letting Russia
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into NATO. I'm not making a moral judgment, like things change,
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I'm just talking about alliance. Oh, I get it now
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it's viewed as this hostile situation. But when the Soviet
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Union fall apart, there was some question like should we
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let Russia into this Western way? And we're seeing the
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opposite extreme right now of driving Russia into China's arms,
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which is an unwise thing for US since China's much
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bigger threat to US than Russia. And you don't but
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they're to get whenever they're together. It's bad news for
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the United States.
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They rarely can't have been able to get it together.
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But yeah, I hear what you're saying. It's a big topic.
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We can not but okay, well let's talk about domestic stuff.
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Though, Yeah, let's talk about you agree.
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We're in a constitutional crisis, That's what I heard. Everybody's saying.
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Well, we spoke about that. So now the new phase
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of the constitutional crisis is that the executive branch is
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no longer working how it should. There's a shadow presidency,
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Elon Musk, and the president is undermining what they call
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independent agencies, which I say, actually are concocted agencies that
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work under the umbrella of the executive branch. And if
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you don't want them there, rewrite the constitution. But as
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long as they're under Donald Trump's purview, he gets to
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do what he wants. So Elon Musk is marching through
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the agencies, right, I think he's about to head towards
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the SEC. He's in the irs now, I believe, and
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so on, and this is very upsetting to people. They
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I don't know if you saw sixty minutes also at
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an interview with like fired you administration people, and you
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would have thought like the sky was falling. It so worse,
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Like normal people lose their jobs we talked about this
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last week, lose their job all the time. We don't
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you know, there is no certainty in your job. And
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they act as if they should have a guaranteed job
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towards to retirement. But anyway, Ezra Clin I saw the
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other day, had someone on and they were talking about
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how the executive branch isn't working the way it should.
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Something is wrong, molly with how government functions. And I
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just quickly want to say, I've been following Ezra clines
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work a lot. And when the House wouldn't vote for
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Obama stuff, he said that the Congress wasn't working. Then
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he said the Supreme Court wasn't working when he didn't
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get his way. Now the executive whenever things don't go
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Downmocrat's way, that institution no longer works that you know,
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that needs to We need reform. We need fillibus to reform.
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You notice no one's talking about that. Is anyone talking
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about packing the courts anymore? Where's that bill on packing
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the courts? Why don't we put that forward? Now? See
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what happens? You know. So it's just such transparent hypocrisy,
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and it's so corrupt. The arguments are corrupt anyway.
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I just want to say, I have been waiting for
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this moment for a very long time. If you're a conservative,
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you get taught about the bureaucracy and the administrative state
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and the threat that those things pose to our constitutional
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order from the time you're young. And we are finally
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having an all out battle about whether this fourth branch
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of government should be able to exist independently. I love
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our constitution. We have three branches of government in the Constitution.
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Congress is the most important one is the Article one branch.
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I think they have completely fallen down on the job
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over the last one hundred years. So I agree with
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Ezra Kline on that the Congress is broken.
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That's not what he doesn't agree with you?
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And why Yeah, but they delegated all of their authority,
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this administrative state, and then the executive During a Democrat
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presidency or someone who's aligned with Democrat values, the bureaucracy
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works very well as an arm of that president. During
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a Republican presidency, particularly for Donald Trump, you actually have
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these people saying claiming they are running a resistance. And
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when you are a bureaucrat and you're running a resistance,
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that means you're resisting the constitutional order, which is the president.
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The only way it works for the bureaucracy to be
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constitutional is if it's under the executive branch, so when
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you're resisting it, you're resisting the constitution. And then of
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course the third branch, the judiciary. So lots of wise
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people have been talking about the threat posed by this
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fourth branch of government that in some ways is far
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more powerful, far bigger, far more resistant to the people
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than any of the other branches. And it's not anywhere
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included in our constitution. And the progressives who started this,
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you know, Woodrow Wilson types, they were very open in
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what they wanted to do, which was they thought the
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constitutional system was broken and they wanted to create their
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own ruling experts who would control everything, and so we
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are finally, after one hundred years, having the battle that
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we always should have had over this permanent bureaucratic state,
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and so I'm just loving every minute of it. In fact,
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I was just thinking today that I remember eight years ago,
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during Trump's first year in office, first month in office,
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I think he was at Seapac and in his speech,
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which of course I loved and nobody else in media loved,
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he talked about the threats posed by the administrative state.
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And at that time I was on a panel at
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CNN with a bunch of other report but like left
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wing reporters, and the host was John King, if I
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recall correctly, and it was just this roundtable, and nobody
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knew what the administrative state was, except for me, because,
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like I said, you feed on this at your very
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first conservative meeting when you're a teenager. And to go
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from that eight years ago where nobody knew what the
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administrative state was, to now doge doing an audit of
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these administrative of this administrative state, it's just a wonderful transformation.
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Yeah, people like Ezra Kline want a centralized federal government
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that is perpetually run by Democrats. That's what they want.
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That's why nothing else works, and that's why this scares them.
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If you told me twenty years ago or whenever I started,
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that Elon Musk would be how can I say, is
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that a tech billionaire would be in the government auditing
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all the administrative state, firing people left and right, trying
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to you know, save money. I don't think we should
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over overdo how much money he can in discretion or
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spending whatever. I would say as a small libertarian, that's amazing.
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I would be just so happy about that. But yeah,
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the Congress, I just you know, if you don't like
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that Donald Trump is just putting tariffs on everyone, maybe
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Congress should take back its tariff powers. You know, if
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you don't like that Donald Trump might use as emergency powers,
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maybe rescind that law. And if you want to shut down.
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Yeah, On the upside, I actually think, no matter what happens,
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this is not going to work unless Congress asserts its authority. Sure,
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and so even when you look at some of the
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battles that are happening in the courts, they could be
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rendered very quickly by Congress weighing in on on what
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it thinks about these administrative state agencies. The bureaucracy and
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to make it permanent, they really need to be involved.
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And so Republicans and American voters. I don't think they
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just want one man or three men to know the
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problem and solve it. They would like every elected official
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on board. And maybe that's not going to be the
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Democrats right now, but Congress should reassert its authority, and
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the Republicans in Congress should be an active part of
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this effort since they have the majority.
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I mean, if you really want to shut down the
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Department of Education, you're going to have to do it
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through Congress. If you really want to shut down even USAID,
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I think you need to do it through Congress because
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there's a lot of money in bills pass there that
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need to be spent. You can't just say I'm not
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spending the money like Obama did with Obamacare when heever
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he felt like it. I think a lot of these
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lawsuits we spoke about them last week, though I was
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thinking about this, have it will as often they do
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backfire on Democrats. They will accelerate the process of the
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Supreme Court saying actually, the executive branch has this power
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and the judicial branch doesn't.
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I'm actually I totally agree with you when we were
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talking about Ezra Client saying every branch of government is broken.
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I sometimes think that myself, except for the judiciary, which
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the Supreme Court seems to be operating pretty well. And
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I always get nervous when people want to blow it up,
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as has been a celebrated cause on the left in
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recent years. But yes, you've had some really bad rogue
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district judges ruling like against Trump. But as they as
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these things work their way through the courts, I'm less
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nervous about some of it, just because, again, in a
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constitutional system, you can't have an independent bureaucracy. That's just tyranny.
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Independent means independent means accountable, not to the people. And
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in our system of government, the people have the power,
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and if the people have no say, and we've all
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been feeling this right like you, you'll work really hard
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to change the Senate or change the nature of the
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House or you know, the makeup of the house. You
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work really hard to elect someone, and then nothing ever changes.
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The reason why nothing ever changes is because this bureaucracy
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is unaccountable. And I really have a hard time seeing
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smart judges and smart justices saying yeah, we're going to
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just let an unelected, unaccountable bureaucracy run things. I just
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don't see that happening.
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Can say, yeah, yeah, yeah, quest no, no, please.
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Well, there are all these other interesting issues too that
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are happening through the courts. So it's conventional wisdom that
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you cannot appeal a temporary restraining order. Have you heard that?
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Yeah? I think so.
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They're usually for a very brief period of time, and
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it's just kind of gives everybody a chance to make
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their arguments in a better form, and so you're usually
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not able to appeal a temporary restraining order against like
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a government agency. Well, all of these different judges have
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implemented temporary restraining orders, which is thwarting the work of Doge.
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One of the cases involves a guy who was removed
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from his position I think was the Merit Systems Protection
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Board Merit Protection Did I just seeh I think? And
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so he sued over it and a district judge instituted
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a temporary restraining order. The Trump administration appealed that, and
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the DC Circuit had a panel of three judges. It
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was Florence Pan who's husband literally runs like the bureaucracy
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defense organization, the Partnership for Public Service. He also totally
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forgetting his name all of a sudden, But he also
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was one of the fake Kavanaugh accusers. Do you remember
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a Max Styr. That's his name, Max Styr. He after
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Carrie Savareino and I wrote our book on Cavanaugh, there
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were these two New York Times reporters who wrote a
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book on Cavanaugh, and when they were rolling it out,
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they claimed that they had another accuser. But Carrie and
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I had gotten advanced copies of the book, and so
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we read the book and saw that the accuser was
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actually this guy named Max Steyer. He claimed there was
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a woman and he wasn't sure what had happened, but
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something had happened, and he, you know, so he just
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felt it was his job as a left wing person
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to say this about Brett Kavanaugh, and so they report it.
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They actually also acknowledged that the woman in question was like,
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I have literally no idea what you're talking about. So
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Max Steyer is that like radical? And he was also
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on the Bill Clinton defense team during Monica Lewinski, So
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he's a Clinton knight anyway. His wife, Florence, I just
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know how much the left cares about the spouses of justices,
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so I'm sure they care that the spouse of this
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judge is completely compromised in this debate. But anyway, Florence.
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King then recused themselves. If they had that kind.
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Of you know, I think they have to be recused
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or immediately impeached according to the left. So I'm sure
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they're consistent in this Florence plan and Michelle Chiles, they
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vote to uphold the temporary restraining order. But this other judge,
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Greg katsis who I think was put on the court
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in twenty seventeen, and he's that judge on the DC
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Circuit that constantly gets upheld at the Supreme Court. So
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Harry Reid packed the DC Circuit with left wing judges.
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It's like a ridiculous circuit, how crazy left it is,
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but it frequently their cases get moved up to the
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Supreme Court. And Greg Katz's is that guy who is
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just so good that he keeps on getting upheld. And
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in his dissent from upholding the temporary restraining order, first off,
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he goes into how you know, actually the executive branch
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does control the executive function, and then he also kind
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of puts in there about how a limit on constitutional
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authority for even a moment is intolerable, and so kind
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of lays out the case for an immediate appeal of
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a temporary restraining order. And I just saw, like before
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we got on this call, that John Roberts asked for
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a response. So the Trump team appeals the temporary restraining
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order to the Supreme Court, and John Roberts was asking
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for the two sides to weigh in immediately.
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I mean, I think the Supreme Court has a responsibility
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to step in when its own, when the judicial branch
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is overstepping its bounds below it right. I mean, I
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think it has like a special responsibility to make sure
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the separation of powers works and is working and things
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are working constitutionally.
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And I think actually this is where the things that
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frustrate a lot of conservatives about John Roberts they will like.
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And what I mean is you have all these rogue
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judges who are going well beyond their actual authority to
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issue nationwide injunctions. This is something that happens a lot
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with left wing judges, but it also happens with some
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conservative judges where they'll issue nationwide injunctions against some federal action.
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And you have heard murmurings for years among the justices
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that they think that this should be checked more, or
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that it shouldn't be allowed. It's just greatly exceeds their
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actual authority that these inferior judges are doing it. And
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so I think you probably will see one of these that,
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in one of these cases that makes it to the
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Supreme Court. I would not be shocked if you see
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a slap down of nationwide injunctions. And John Roberts, who
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sort of always fancied himself a great chief and who cares,
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like all chiefs do, the legitimacy of the court, you
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are risking a situation where these rogue judges are so
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out of control that you're going to start seeing the
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executive branch just not heeding what they say, or you're
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risking that. I'm not saying that it's under Trump. I'm
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saying if this type of thing continues, because Trump has
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shown himself very willing to adhere to whatever the courts
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say on these nationwide injunctions. He's explicitly said that. But
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you could imagine a future where people just start not
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following the nationwide injunction or saying or just challenging it.
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And I think the Chief is aware of that and
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wants to preserve the legitimacy of the judiciary. And so
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I would just not be shocked to see a majority
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of justices saying enough on the nationwide injunctions.
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Trump explicitly yeah. The other day, he explicitly came out,
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he said, we we listen to the courts, but we
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will be vindicated. But yet the constitutional crisis story are
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all over the place. When when Joe Biden said, yeah,
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the court said no, but we did it anyway. That
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was fine for everyone. You know, It's just I mean, I.
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Do I do want to kind of point out there
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that he didn't completely flout what the Supreme Court had
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said in that he found another way to do the
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same thing. And you might say, well, that's just playing games,
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except it still recognizes the authority of the Supreme Court
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on the special decision.
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The only oath that all these people take is to
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a constitution. Okay, so when you were purposely changing a
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few words and your edict to do something that is
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clearly unconstitutional for me, it's basically the same thing. I
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get it that on the technicality, he wasn't telling the
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Court you know, I'm not listening to you, but in
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essence that that's what he was doing. And just because
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he's a little or not him, people work for him,
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we're a little more creative in doing it does not
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make it okay because you could Trump could do that too.
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Trump could write another EO, change a few words. He's
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doing it differently, And then I mean, in essence, it's
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the same thing at least from you know, that's what
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I feel.
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Yeah, but it still is at least honoring and respecting
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the different branches and the rights therein. So I do
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think back to this. Why I think John Roberts might
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join with a majority of justices to push back on
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nationwide injunctions is actually actually related to the Marbury versus
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Madison ruling, which is like the most famous Supreme Court
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ruling ever, which was I'm totally going to butcher this,
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but I feel like it was okay. John Adams was president.
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He pushes through a bunch of judges last minute. His
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party controls Congress, and they do know some like Judicial
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Review Act or something pushed through a bunch of judges
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and their commissions were supposed to be given by the
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Secretary of State, but then Adams leaves office and.
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James Madison won't well.
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Madison is the Secretary of State, yeah, and he won't
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deliver this commission. And so it goes to the Court
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because then they sue for manament, like they sue to
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require the guy who one of the guys who didn't
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get his commission says, please make Madison give me my commission.
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And they did this whole solemn monic, you know, splitting
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the baby kind of thing, where they ruled the ultimate
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law unconstitutional but also that Madison should have turned it over.
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It kind of made everybody happy, but it mostly made
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the Court very powerful, and I just very much think
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John Roberts cares about the supremacy of the Supreme Court
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and it's legitimacy, and it might tamp down these nationwide
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injunctions really as a way of preserving the health of
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the Court going forward.
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I mean, I'm a big fan of that decision because
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we need it today more than ever. The Court is
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the only institution upholding the Constitution, making it a coequal branch,
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though with different jobs to do, and allowing it to
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to render things that Congress does or the executive branch
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touch on the DOJ dropping charges against New York City
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Mayor Eric Adams. So I don't know a lot about this,
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but my initial feeling was that it seemed a like
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favor trading and that it was I mean, openly, we
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dropped the charges. You help us with immigration, or you
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help the administration do what it wants to do. At
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least that's what I think it would seem like to
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a lot of people. It might be more complicated. I
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don't know what's your take on it.
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I think that's actually like a legitimate question. And the
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reason why people think that is because the charges were
841
00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:30.840
not dropped with prejudice. They were just dropped, which seems
842
00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:33.400
to sort of be a sword hanging over Eric adams
843
00:47:33.480 --> 00:47:37.880
head that he really better helped the administration with its
844
00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:42.800
anti illegal immigrant efforts or else the charges could be refiled,
845
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:47.760
but it was interesting to see, well the people who
846
00:47:48.039 --> 00:47:51.159
are running DJ, like when they were going through their
847
00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:54.679
Senate confirmation hearings, like Pam Bondi said that they were
848
00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:57.719
very opposed to the weaponization of DJ to go after
849
00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:01.679
political enemies of the as opposed to just a polding
850
00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:05.480
rule of law. And the Public Corruption Unit at DJ
851
00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:09.800
has really a an abysmal track record compared to other
852
00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:14.559
groups within DJ. They routinely go after people and then
853
00:48:14.679 --> 00:48:17.079
end up getting overturned at the Supreme Court like nine
854
00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:20.840
to nothing, and they seem to be very drunk on
855
00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:23.559
their power to go after people. So the concern with
856
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:28.079
the Eric Adams' indictment was really about the Eric Adams
857
00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:32.239
investigation itself. So it's not necessarily that Eric Adams as
858
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:34.599
pure as the driven snow, which I don't think many
859
00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:38.840
people would say, but that the evidence suggests that the
860
00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:42.960
investigation into him ramped up dramatically after he started criticizing
861
00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:46.360
the Biden administration. And when you do that, when you
862
00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:51.480
go after people unequally based on their political criticisms of you,
863
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:55.039
that's the whole problem with the Department of Justice. And
864
00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:58.559
so when Pam Bondi and or the other people I
865
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:03.360
think it was evil BOV had to drop this indictment.
866
00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:05.960
There were other issues too. They did it in the
867
00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:08.519
and you know, makes it hard for him to communicate
868
00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:11.079
with people while he's mayor because he's under indictment and
869
00:49:11.079 --> 00:49:13.920
effect security clearances. It also makes it hard, like he
870
00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:16.800
felt they felt that he had to pick an untimely
871
00:49:18.840 --> 00:49:21.320
court date because if he took as much time as
872
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:25.159
he needed to go through all the documents that they have,
873
00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:28.480
that it would put it past the election, when he'd
874
00:49:28.519 --> 00:49:30.679
like to be done with this before his next election.
875
00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:32.920
You know, all these sorts of political considerations which are
876
00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:36.800
always in play. So they tell the Southern District, New York,
877
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:41.280
which is a notoriously left wing district, that they need
878
00:49:41.320 --> 00:49:45.159
to drop the charges. And they that thus began like
879
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:48.920
a series of people resigning and broadcasting to the media
880
00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:52.039
their letters of resignation where they claimed that, you know,
881
00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:57.880
there was no justification for dropping these charges. And I
882
00:49:57.920 --> 00:49:59.679
think it's been oddly enough like a good way to
883
00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:03.280
root out some of the problems at DJ, because you
884
00:50:03.320 --> 00:50:08.880
don't have to agree completely with your bosses at DJ.
885
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:12.360
But if they say we're going to stop weaponizing the
886
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:15.480
Department of Justice and doing these political prosecutions. Yeah, you
887
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:17.320
can quit. You know, you can quit if you really
888
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:21.199
really think strongly that they're wrong. But the like sort
889
00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:25.679
of dramatic way in which they're going out and you know,
890
00:50:25.719 --> 00:50:28.760
trying to become martyrs over it is a good indication
891
00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:29.719
that they shouldn't be there.
892
00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:35.480
I'll just say, he's on TV talking to administration officials.
893
00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:36.920
What was the guy the name of the guy who's
894
00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:42.360
doings heading up immigration enforcement? Holman? Is it? Yeah, he's
895
00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:44.440
on there joking with him, like you better do what
896
00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:47.199
we said. You know, it's like such a quid pro quo.
897
00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:50.440
I get that a lot of the people who are like,
898
00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:54.039
you know, grand standing and stepping down are not great people,
899
00:50:54.280 --> 00:50:56.239
though some of them seem okay to me. But I
900
00:50:56.280 --> 00:50:59.559
don't know, I don't know. It just seems a bit problematic.
901
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:02.800
First of it's not like the first time in history
902
00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:06.119
that someone said, if you like help with this other thing,
903
00:51:06.280 --> 00:51:08.360
your charges will be lowered, or.
904
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:11.960
To help someone go after a bigger target or something
905
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:13.480
as far as a legal I mean.
906
00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:17.719
So the charge with Eric Adams, who is like notoriously
907
00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:21.159
like all Democrats in New York, not the cleanest person
908
00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:25.320
I think, is that he took plane upgrades, and you
909
00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:27.920
can say that you really think that's an important issue,
910
00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:33.239
more important than securing the nation's borders or fighting, you know,
911
00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:36.239
the craziness of what's happening in New York. That's an argument,
912
00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:38.639
but it's not like a totally settled thing. I do
913
00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:41.599
want to say one thing about the woman who made
914
00:51:41.639 --> 00:51:43.760
a big show out of quitting rather than dropping the
915
00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:47.280
charges and forgetting her name Sasoon, Danielle Sassoon, And everyone
916
00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:50.760
was like, she was a Scalia clerk and therefore you
917
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:53.920
cannot criticize her. And they were also saying she was
918
00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:57.119
a Federalist Society member. And the Federalist Society, not to
919
00:51:57.159 --> 00:52:00.000
be confused with the Federalist is an organization for liberty
920
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:03.559
Arrian and conservative lawyers. But you can anyone can join
921
00:52:03.639 --> 00:52:06.000
by paying dues. And I'm not one hundred percent certain
922
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:09.360
she is a member. They would link to her profile
923
00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:12.440
on their website and it says quite clearly like if
924
00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:15.360
you're pictured here, it means you've spoken at a Federalist
925
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:18.599
Society event or done something like that, or been published.
926
00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:23.039
And the Federalist Society is known for having debates. You
927
00:52:23.079 --> 00:52:24.840
know they'll have a left winger and a right winger
928
00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:27.119
come on a debate. That does not mean they're all members.
929
00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:28.840
I mean they'll had a left winger person a right
930
00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:31.880
wing person debate. And in her case, she was on
931
00:52:31.960 --> 00:52:34.239
with Harvey Wilkinson, which was the very good judge she
932
00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:37.440
clerked for before Scalia, talking about something I don't even
933
00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:41.400
remember what it was, the nineteen sixties or something. Anyway,
934
00:52:41.440 --> 00:52:43.320
I tweeted that out, and all of a sudden I
935
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:47.280
started hearing from a ton of people about how they
936
00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:50.800
were surprised that anyone was defending her letter, saying she
937
00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:55.119
would never, you know, drop these charges, and how a
938
00:52:55.159 --> 00:52:58.320
gas she was at it. And my favorite thing that
939
00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:00.719
someone pointed out to me is so she kept on
940
00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:03.239
saying like did I mention I worked for Scalia? And
941
00:53:03.320 --> 00:53:06.320
Scalia said this, and did I mention? You know? These
942
00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:09.320
she would let drop different names. Robert Jackson, former Attorney
943
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:13.000
General an emil Bow, in his response to her, pointed
944
00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:15.679
out where Scalia would have been a gast at her argument,
945
00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:19.400
and also Jackson, but someone pointed out a third problem.
946
00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:23.920
She cited Posner Judge Posner, the great libertarian judge out
947
00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:28.239
of the Seventh Circuit, saying that he would have opposed.
948
00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:31.280
He would have made a court not drop a charge,
949
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:35.239
not tolerate dropping a charge if he thought there was
950
00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:37.559
a quid pro quo about it or something. And so
951
00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:41.519
she links to his argument, but if you read his argument,
952
00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:44.679
he actually says the opposite. It's very originalist. It's very
953
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:48.119
much about who has the authority to prosecute. It's clearly
954
00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:50.559
the executive branch. So if they want to drop, they
955
00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:52.760
should drop, even if you don't agree with their logic.
956
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:56.639
And she messed up the Posner's citation and you had
957
00:53:56.639 --> 00:53:59.559
to read it to you anyway. That was exciting to me.
958
00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:06.480
But board of course I'm not bored. Elena Kagan spoke
959
00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:09.000
at Federalist Society events.
960
00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:10.480
Then she must be their best member.
961
00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:19.039
Let's do culture, Let's just do it. Did you watch
962
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:22.159
the USA Canada game, by the way, well.
963
00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:26.000
A little bit of it, the important parts, which I
964
00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:30.599
think you know happened in the first nine seconds at.
965
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:34.880
The three fights. Yeah. Now, I was so excited that
966
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:37.199
everyone got a little you know, because there aren't a
967
00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:38.840
ton of hockey fans out there, and you know, I'm
968
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:42.559
a massive hockey fan, so it was nice for people
969
00:54:42.559 --> 00:54:48.440
to get a taste of the speed, the excitement, and
970
00:54:48.519 --> 00:54:51.000
quite frankly, the violence of hockey. I mean there were
971
00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:55.199
three fights. I'm a New York Rangers fan. JT. Miller's
972
00:54:55.239 --> 00:54:58.199
on our team fought a six to six Canadian defenseman
973
00:54:58.239 --> 00:55:01.440
that was exciting, and the Tuck brothers both fought. I
974
00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:03.119
have to say, so all year I'm like, this is
975
00:55:03.159 --> 00:55:05.400
a money grab. I hate it. You know, I hate
976
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:11.280
All Star games. I just I can't stand them. And
977
00:55:11.320 --> 00:55:14.480
then when it happened, I was just like charging up
978
00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:16.280
the hill with the flag. I was so excited.
979
00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:19.760
I loved everything about it. So I loved that Justin
980
00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:23.840
Trudeau was there with a camera on him. I loved
981
00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:27.719
the booing, meaning it was like, Okay, if you're going
982
00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:30.360
to do this to your very good friends to the south,
983
00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:33.639
the United States of America, this probably isn't going to
984
00:55:33.679 --> 00:55:35.119
go well for you. And then I love that they
985
00:55:35.159 --> 00:55:38.440
waited until the moment, you know, the whistle blew or whatever,
986
00:55:38.480 --> 00:55:40.840
and then it was just take off the gloves and
987
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:43.840
go for it. I like that there are ethics to
988
00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:46.760
fighting in hockey. I like that they allow it to happen.
989
00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:49.639
It reminds me of you know, in baseball, So like
990
00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:52.239
if you show boat. If you get a home run
991
00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:55.079
off of a picture and you show boat, the picture
992
00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:58.400
is required to being the very next person who's up
993
00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:03.159
to bat, and then the team is required to get
994
00:56:03.199 --> 00:56:05.800
out of the dugout. And you know, there are these
995
00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:08.480
rules you're supposed to follow to keep order in the game.
996
00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:11.039
And hockey has so many fights. That's why they have
997
00:56:11.039 --> 00:56:14.480
no teeth. But I like that they do it. I
998
00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:15.880
don't know, it's just this nice.
999
00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:19.199
They don't fight as often as they used to, by
1000
00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:21.039
the way, and a lot of times they are so
1001
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:24.360
called enforcers on a team that keep the piece or
1002
00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:26.559
fight each other so that others don't do it. So
1003
00:56:26.599 --> 00:56:29.119
in hockey, if you don't have fights, you know, there's
1004
00:56:29.119 --> 00:56:31.719
frustration builds and you start using your stick and stuff.
1005
00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:35.159
That's much more dangerous. But the thing here was that
1006
00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:38.400
these are all all stars, like, these are top players fighting.
1007
00:56:38.440 --> 00:56:42.079
These are real players fighting. Brady Kuchuk and Matthew Matthew
1008
00:56:42.119 --> 00:56:45.039
Kachuck's a Stanley Cup winning players like an elite player,
1009
00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:51.159
he's fighting, and that makes it much more emotional and real,
1010
00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:53.039
you know what I mean. There's not like a set
1011
00:56:53.079 --> 00:56:55.239
fight where two you know, goons go at it. These
1012
00:56:55.239 --> 00:56:57.880
were real players playing for their country, not even the
1013
00:56:57.920 --> 00:57:00.840
team that pays them. Really, you know, that's what.
1014
00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:02.639
I loved about it, and it reminded me very much
1015
00:57:02.679 --> 00:57:04.519
of the Miracle on Ice thing. You know, I play
1016
00:57:04.599 --> 00:57:07.599
for the United States of America. Wait, is that what
1017
00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:08.960
it's called Miracle on ice today?
1018
00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:11.679
Miracle is the movie? On Ice is the event? Yeah?
1019
00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:16.400
Thanks, I highly recommend Mierica.
1020
00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:21.480
I love that movie. But k Russell plays her Brooks,
1021
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:25.119
the coach, and he does a fantastic job. Obviously, That's
1022
00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:28.559
one of the pivotal moments of my youth watching the
1023
00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:29.639
USA win gold.
1024
00:57:29.679 --> 00:57:33.760
But yeah, oh, because I don't remember that.
1025
00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:37.239
Wasn't that, like Naty, I'm a little older eighty it
1026
00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:37.679
was ten?
1027
00:57:37.960 --> 00:57:40.840
Yeah, So I liked also the learning that they had
1028
00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:43.480
a group chat where they plotted what to do if
1029
00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:47.519
they booed the if they booed our anthem, even just
1030
00:57:47.559 --> 00:57:52.440
that this like American pride. We went from every lame
1031
00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:57.480
athlete in the country kneeling for the national anthem to
1032
00:57:57.599 --> 00:58:02.239
having people fight over another country disrespecting our national anthem.
1033
00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:04.159
And I just love that.
1034
00:58:04.280 --> 00:58:07.280
So I got to tell you something that never infiltrated hockey.
1035
00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:08.639
You know, what I mean that stuff.
1036
00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:11.559
I mean they tried, but hockey was very resistant.
1037
00:58:11.639 --> 00:58:15.960
Yes, yeah, for people don't follow hockey, this Canadian team
1038
00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:17.880
is amazing and beating them was a big deal. But
1039
00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:20.039
there's a championship game Wednesday, and it's going to be
1040
00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:20.719
a tough one.
1041
00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:22.280
Who are we playing.
1042
00:58:23.719 --> 00:58:26.559
Canada? So Canada beat Sweden I think it was, and
1043
00:58:26.599 --> 00:58:29.039
they'll play the United States on Wednesday for the championship
1044
00:58:29.039 --> 00:58:33.840
of the Four Nations. Now there, I'll give you two names. Okay,
1045
00:58:33.840 --> 00:58:36.360
there's like McDavid and McKinnon. Those are two plays. I
1046
00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:38.800
think they're the two best skaters who have ever played hockey,
1047
00:58:38.840 --> 00:58:41.039
and they're on like play together on the power play
1048
00:58:41.079 --> 00:58:44.079
for Canada. So it's going to be a tough, tough game.
1049
00:58:44.840 --> 00:58:47.519
I wish yeah, we won that last game in part
1050
00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:51.840
because to me, it seems like in Canada hockey is
1051
00:58:51.880 --> 00:58:56.119
almost a religion, whereas for us it's like the fourth
1052
00:58:56.320 --> 00:59:01.599
major sport if yeah, football and basketball and baseball. So
1053
00:59:03.119 --> 00:59:06.199
that we beat them, even if it's just that one game,
1054
00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:08.159
although it just seems like if we could beat them,
1055
00:59:08.199 --> 00:59:09.480
then why can't we beat them again?
1056
00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:12.599
No, we can. Don't get me wrong. America has made
1057
00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:14.280
like when I was young, there are very few good,
1058
00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:16.840
really good American players. Now there are tons of great
1059
00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:18.960
American players, but you know.
1060
00:59:19.239 --> 00:59:21.400
It's still the and it is going to be so upset.
1061
00:59:21.400 --> 00:59:23.119
They're going to come back with all they've got.
1062
00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:26.400
It's going to be tough, and they haven't want to.
1063
00:59:26.519 --> 00:59:28.679
I liked hermind. Canadians they haven't wont to Stanley Cup.
1064
00:59:28.760 --> 00:59:31.400
None of their teams haven't won one since nineteen ninety four.
1065
00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:35.119
So they're very frustrated and these things are important to them,
1066
00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:39.239
and I understand that. But anyway, I'm happy that people
1067
00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:44.480
got to see some hockey and hopefully create some new fans.
1068
00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:47.360
What you what else? What else? What else? Are we?
1069
00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:48.199
Where are we going to talk?
1070
00:59:48.239 --> 00:59:50.320
I don't have much to report. I've been traveling a lot,
1071
00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:53.960
and I'm sorry about that. But I did watch a
1072
00:59:54.039 --> 00:59:57.360
little bit of the Saturday Night Live fiftieth anniversary thing.
1073
00:59:57.440 --> 00:59:58.719
Did you see that? No?
1074
00:59:59.119 --> 01:00:00.840
I didn't even really underst and what it was about.
1075
01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:03.880
Is it one show or was it like segments?
1076
01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:07.719
You know, fiftieth anniversary of the programs. They had a
1077
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star studded like audience. Everyone was in black tie and
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01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:15.519
they were all former former hosts or cast members that
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were in the audience, and then they just did yeah,
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kind of a retrospect, something between a retrospective and a
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01:00:20.840 --> 01:00:25.760
current show, some new musical work that paid homage to
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01:00:25.800 --> 01:00:30.559
other people like Miley Cyrus sang nothing compares to you,
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01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:35.519
you know, good try she had there. But last week
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01:00:35.559 --> 01:00:39.039
I was in Hillsdale and Scott Bertram is the guy
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01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:43.519
who runs Radio Free Hillsdale and he also has a podcast.
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01:00:43.559 --> 01:00:45.960
Oh you know, someone was saying that they wanted recommendations
1087
01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:48.199
of other podcasts, which I'm not the right person to
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01:00:49.360 --> 01:00:52.639
ask about that. I always mentioned Issues, etc. Which is
1089
01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:55.880
my favorite, but I don't really listen to a ton
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01:00:56.159 --> 01:00:59.760
that nobody would have heard of. But Scott Bertram is
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01:00:59.800 --> 01:01:02.880
doing this fifty year retrospective on Saturday Night Live where
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01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:06.000
he goes through each season and kind of evaluates each
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01:01:06.079 --> 01:01:10.920
season with its own special podcasts. And we were talking
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01:01:11.000 --> 01:01:14.559
and he said something last week about Michael Chay, who's
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01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:19.000
one of the weekend update anchors, being undervalued. I am
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01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:24.000
totally forgetting what his argument was, but he said that
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he always felt like Michael cha was the one that
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01:01:26.519 --> 01:01:29.519
would seem to understand. He said, he seems to understand
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01:01:29.559 --> 01:01:32.159
conservatives a little bit better. So I'm walking in on
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SNL last week end, and he was talking about all
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the awards that SNL had won over the last fifty years,
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you know, Emmy's this and Emmy's that, And he said,
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and we have fourteen guys named Tony on staff, you know,
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01:01:47.719 --> 01:01:50.360
so like a Tony Award. And it shows a picture
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01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:53.840
of all the production crew, and so he's praising them,
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01:01:53.880 --> 01:01:56.519
and he says at the end that he'd also like
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to congratulate them on their JA six pardons, which I
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01:02:02.599 --> 01:02:04.519
just loved, like it was and I was like, oh,
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01:02:04.559 --> 01:02:08.679
Scott's right, you know, like that's a joke that has
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01:02:08.800 --> 01:02:13.639
layers and humility associate you know. I don't know, I
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01:02:13.679 --> 01:02:15.760
just like loved it. And then Scott was saying also
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that he was the one who did the original Black
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01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:22.239
Jeopardy thing that Tom Hanks was on. Oh.
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01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:24.920
I saw that everyone was upset about that, but I
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01:02:25.360 --> 01:02:28.079
think they miss I think they misunderstood the point of
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01:02:28.119 --> 01:02:31.360
that at least five Yeah, I didn't see.
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01:02:31.119 --> 01:02:33.960
It this weekend because I'll try and catch it later.
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01:02:34.039 --> 01:02:38.199
But that whole skit is about how MAGA voters and
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01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:40.360
black people have a lot in common. That's the whole
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point of it, and it's a Michael creation. So I
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01:02:42.639 --> 01:02:44.519
was like, oh, maybe I should be giving Michael Chay
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01:02:44.559 --> 01:02:48.880
another look here. I don't really want Allan Jost, who
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01:02:48.880 --> 01:02:51.440
would presumably be a relative of mine because that's my
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01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:53.920
mom's maiden name. I find him a little smug and
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01:02:54.639 --> 01:02:55.280
difficult to listen.
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01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:57.199
He's a merit to Scarlet Johansson. That one.
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01:02:57.440 --> 01:02:59.800
That's a good. That's that's a that's he must be
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01:02:59.840 --> 01:03:01.599
a pressive in other ways that I have not been
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01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:02.280
revealed to me.
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01:03:04.159 --> 01:03:06.760
Can I tell you a story about me? So in
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01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:09.480
nineteen ninety eight or ninety nine, I forget which when
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01:03:09.519 --> 01:03:14.239
it was there. I was working at Associated Press in
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01:03:14.280 --> 01:03:18.800
New York. Yeah, you know, in sports. I wasn't yet
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01:03:19.039 --> 01:03:22.440
in the political world. And when you work in sports,
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01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:25.159
you work late night, you know, two, three, four am,
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01:03:25.199 --> 01:03:27.639
and that's when you go home. So after a long
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01:03:27.719 --> 01:03:29.800
I think it was Saturday, and it was definitely Saturday night,
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01:03:29.880 --> 01:03:32.360
after a long day and night of work, me and
1139
01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:35.480
my friends co workers left there. We were going to go
1140
01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:37.440
get a drink at the bar there and I'm walking
1141
01:03:37.960 --> 01:03:41.039
the AP offices were in Rockefeller Center and I'm walking
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01:03:41.079 --> 01:03:44.880
out and that day was a twenty fifth anniversary of
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01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:47.360
Saturday Night Live. So I walk into a crowd of
1144
01:03:47.400 --> 01:03:49.320
like people. You know in New York there's always weird
1145
01:03:49.320 --> 01:03:51.480
stuff going on. People are in tuxedos. I look up.
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01:03:51.679 --> 01:03:56.800
There's Steve Martin, there's Pharrell, there's Al Franklin, there's Tom Hanks. Like,
1147
01:03:56.800 --> 01:03:59.440
I'm in the middle of a group of people like
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01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:02.239
that who had just come out after you know, it
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01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:04.239
must have been like three am or whenever. It was
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01:04:05.039 --> 01:04:08.280
from the twenty fifth anniversary of SNL. It was a
1151
01:04:08.400 --> 01:04:11.239
surreal moment in my life. I wanted to share that
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01:04:11.280 --> 01:04:15.239
with you and everyone else is listening was that? So
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01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:19.000
I actually, have you ever watched Alone?
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01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:20.599
No?
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01:04:20.679 --> 01:04:22.239
I saw you tweeting about it and I was like,
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01:04:22.360 --> 01:04:24.480
I need to know what he's talking about. I have
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01:04:24.599 --> 01:04:25.000
no idea.
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01:04:25.199 --> 01:04:27.760
It's this show where they just drop these people, usually
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01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:30.119
in Alaska, right, So they'll drop them off in the
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01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:33.320
middle of the wilderness. They have ten items, and whoever
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01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:37.519
survives the longest in the wild without any help wins.
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01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:43.400
Now typically it's just a basically a contest of starvation.
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01:04:44.119 --> 01:04:49.000
So I did bring just here Alone Australia recently. But
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01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:51.639
the funniest thing is and someone pointed this out to me.
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01:04:51.760 --> 01:04:54.760
Is that the guy who comes in like I'm a survivalist,
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01:04:54.800 --> 01:04:58.039
you know, I was in the Marines. This that big guy.
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01:04:57.559 --> 01:05:01.519
They often will last one night before they're on the
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01:05:01.559 --> 01:05:04.280
phone crying to be taken out for some reason. Like
1169
01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:09.159
the toughest guys have a trouble lasting. And even I'm like,
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01:05:09.360 --> 01:05:12.000
I call them candy asses because literally I feel like
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01:05:12.079 --> 01:05:14.400
I can last more than one night. I just sit
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01:05:14.480 --> 01:05:16.559
there and not eat for a day and last. But
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01:05:16.679 --> 01:05:19.360
sometimes people call it one day. Anyway. The woman, Oh,
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01:05:19.400 --> 01:05:21.800
I don't want to give it away. Actually women do
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01:05:21.960 --> 01:05:24.920
very well. They're like picking berries, you know, and stuff
1176
01:05:24.960 --> 01:05:27.199
like that. Yeah, and they can so anyway, I enjoy
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01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:27.880
the show a lot.
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01:05:28.119 --> 01:05:30.480
So do you get any You don't have like a
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01:05:30.519 --> 01:05:33.719
gun or a fishing rod or anything like.
1180
01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:36.880
That, you know, but you will get like hooks so
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01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:38.960
you can make your own rods. It depends where you
1182
01:05:39.039 --> 01:05:42.400
are in the Alaska. Once you're like, there are grizzly
1183
01:05:42.440 --> 01:05:44.519
bears around and stuff. So I get why people get
1184
01:05:44.519 --> 01:05:48.199
a bit nervous. The Australian one. There's nothing. There's no
1185
01:05:48.280 --> 01:05:51.320
other wallabies, like that was the worst animal. I don't know,
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01:05:51.440 --> 01:05:53.639
poss some So anyway, I.
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01:05:53.559 --> 01:05:55.559
Watch that interesting.
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01:05:56.320 --> 01:05:58.440
I just want to really recommend to show The Stranger,
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01:05:58.480 --> 01:06:00.719
which I mentioned last week. I went to the end.
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01:06:01.159 --> 01:06:04.559
Harlan Coben is this writer and he produces and it's
1191
01:06:04.559 --> 01:06:06.280
based on his book and it was just a really
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01:06:06.320 --> 01:06:09.039
fun eight episode mystery.
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01:06:09.559 --> 01:06:12.840
So this has nothing to do necessarily with a loan.
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01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:15.599
But my sister and I were reminiscing about this time.
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01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:17.880
It was my parents' fiftieth anniversary and we all got
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01:06:17.880 --> 01:06:21.199
together and we decided that we would hike from Breckinridge
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01:06:21.400 --> 01:06:27.239
to Frisco. There's like a trail you can take that
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01:06:28.400 --> 01:06:31.800
totally seemed manageable and doable. But some of the smarter
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01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:33.960
people in our group made it about like a half
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01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:37.239
mile and they were like, we're going back, and the
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01:06:37.280 --> 01:06:38.760
rest of us were like, Oh, what's the big deal?
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01:06:38.880 --> 01:06:43.920
You know, no big deal. Anyway, it was it I
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01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:46.079
think that I'm thinking about this because I was like,
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01:06:46.159 --> 01:06:49.320
what's the big deal? A nine mile hike in no
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01:06:49.360 --> 01:06:51.320
big this is going to be fine. And by the
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01:06:51.440 --> 01:06:53.920
end we were kind of near tears and very hungry.
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01:06:55.719 --> 01:06:58.440
Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Also, in Colorado,
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01:06:58.519 --> 01:07:00.000
you have to be careful because a lot of people.
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01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:02.519
People go out on these like innocuous hikes and then
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01:07:02.559 --> 01:07:04.719
all of a sudden, there's like a snowstorm in April,
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01:07:04.840 --> 01:07:06.760
you know what I mean, and they're stuck and like
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01:07:06.800 --> 01:07:08.360
the helicopters have to go get them.
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01:07:08.960 --> 01:07:12.000
And I do remember when we came into Frisco that
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01:07:12.079 --> 01:07:16.280
there was a moose near the trailhead and people were
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01:07:16.280 --> 01:07:18.920
freaking out about it. And I mentioned this because I
1216
01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:21.519
have talked with Alaskins about this. People are always freaking
1217
01:07:21.519 --> 01:07:23.800
out about bears, but they say that if you're local,
1218
01:07:24.079 --> 01:07:27.000
you're more likely to freak out about the moose, like
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01:07:27.039 --> 01:07:28.559
it's much more like dangerous.
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01:07:28.639 --> 01:07:35.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. I'm I'm at two with nature.
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01:07:35.079 --> 01:07:37.840
I'm the indoor type, so I have no interest in
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01:07:37.920 --> 01:07:42.079
being around moose. Is it mease or moose's no clue?
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01:07:42.719 --> 01:07:48.039
Or bears? And I did actually steer that I'm two
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01:07:48.039 --> 01:07:49.719
with nature from Woody Allen. And I want to say
1225
01:07:49.719 --> 01:07:51.960
there's a new Woody Allen biography out that I think
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01:07:52.039 --> 01:07:54.400
is the best one ever written. I've read them all,
1227
01:07:54.519 --> 01:07:57.360
I'm a massive, massive fan. It's called Demochery of a Sham,
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01:07:57.400 --> 01:08:02.119
which is a line out of bananas. Just so detailed,
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01:08:02.360 --> 01:08:05.159
so it's just a great book. I'm kind of surprised
1230
01:08:05.199 --> 01:08:09.079
that it was published, considering his position and culture right
1231
01:08:09.119 --> 01:08:11.079
now and how people treat him in what they think
1232
01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:13.320
of him, But it is just if you're a fan.
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01:08:13.480 --> 01:08:18.359
I think it's fantastic and I highly recommend it. And
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01:08:18.840 --> 01:08:19.760
that's all I have.
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01:08:20.239 --> 01:08:22.640
I just want to say on that point, I'm hoping
1236
01:08:22.680 --> 01:08:25.960
we're coming out of this era as well. You think
1237
01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:29.319
about like Elon Musk who's fathered yet another child who
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01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:33.279
is not raising in an intact family, and there are
1239
01:08:33.279 --> 01:08:36.159
all these problems, and Woody Allen and his behavior and
1240
01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:38.720
blah blah blah. I really hope we get to the
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01:08:38.840 --> 01:08:44.479
part where we can handle people being sinful men and
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01:08:44.640 --> 01:08:49.479
also recognizing when they have artistic value or other greatness.
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01:08:50.720 --> 01:08:52.399
And I don't mean by that to excuse any of
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01:08:52.439 --> 01:08:54.479
the bad behavior, but it's just gotten. Like if you
1245
01:08:54.479 --> 01:08:57.319
look throughout history, a lot of the people who accomplished
1246
01:08:57.439 --> 01:09:03.680
amazing things also work complete rex personally, and we should
1247
01:09:03.680 --> 01:09:06.039
be able to hold two thoughts in our mind at once.
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01:09:06.199 --> 01:09:11.359
I think Nick Kve, the singer, has a I guess
1249
01:09:11.399 --> 01:09:14.640
an email list where he answers readers questions, and someone
1250
01:09:14.720 --> 01:09:17.279
sent him in an email this week saying, you say
1251
01:09:17.279 --> 01:09:20.159
you love Kanye West. You say that this song by
1252
01:09:20.239 --> 01:09:22.439
Kanye West is what you want played at your funeral.
1253
01:09:22.720 --> 01:09:24.520
What do you think? Now, he's a Nazi, he's an
1254
01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:27.159
anti semit and all that, and he gave this just
1255
01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:30.039
really thoughtful answer about Listen, you can't really separate people
1256
01:09:30.039 --> 01:09:32.439
from the art. I think he's like, that's ridiculous. If
1257
01:09:32.439 --> 01:09:34.720
they're bad people, you have to acknowledge that. But you also,
1258
01:09:34.840 --> 01:09:37.560
in life are trying to find beauty. And if you
1259
01:09:37.640 --> 01:09:40.279
find beauty in a weird place or in a place
1260
01:09:41.159 --> 01:09:43.680
that has something evil associated with it, even that doesn't
1261
01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:45.600
mean that the thing isn't beautiful, And you can make
1262
01:09:45.720 --> 01:09:47.840
that distinction in your mind, like you were just saying,
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01:09:47.840 --> 01:09:50.159
I mean, you don't have to pretend that it's not
1264
01:09:50.560 --> 01:09:52.600
a bad that it doesn't come from a bad place,
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01:09:52.640 --> 01:09:54.720
but it's still beautiful. So I think that's a good
1266
01:09:54.720 --> 01:09:55.600
way to look at the world.
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01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:58.199
Yeah, but I mean, like on that one in particular,
1268
01:09:58.760 --> 01:10:02.239
if you Thinkanye West is in his right mind, you're
1269
01:10:02.279 --> 01:10:04.760
too stupid to like function.
1270
01:10:06.039 --> 01:10:09.079
Yeah right, Yeah, I mean it is.
1271
01:10:09.039 --> 01:10:11.079
Not an issue of like Kanye West put a lot
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01:10:11.079 --> 01:10:13.479
of thought into it and decided to become an anti Semite,
1273
01:10:13.479 --> 01:10:16.319
Like I think Kanye West is not well and so
1274
01:10:16.640 --> 01:10:19.239
when and also that he seems to maybe at different
1275
01:10:19.279 --> 01:10:21.760
parts of his life beyond his meds or not. And
1276
01:10:21.800 --> 01:10:25.079
so when the idea that you would judge someone's entire
1277
01:10:25.239 --> 01:10:28.239
work and creative output based on the fact that they're
1278
01:10:28.359 --> 01:10:31.640
nuts right now, it seems just again it's like a
1279
01:10:31.720 --> 01:10:34.359
ridiculous inability to understand what's going on.
1280
01:10:35.880 --> 01:10:38.159
There are a lot of art, you know, writers for instance,
1281
01:10:38.159 --> 01:10:41.439
who are I would say anti Semites, Roald Dall or someone.
1282
01:10:41.479 --> 01:10:43.960
I mean, so first of all, how long That's.
1283
01:10:43.800 --> 01:10:46.000
What's challenging, because he like really is right or he
1284
01:10:46.079 --> 01:10:47.079
really was Yeah.
1285
01:10:46.880 --> 01:10:49.039
He wasn't he meant that? And yeah, I mean there
1286
01:10:49.039 --> 01:10:53.760
are people who or like Richard or Wagner himself, Like,
1287
01:10:53.800 --> 01:10:55.720
I mean, there are people, so you just you know,
1288
01:10:55.840 --> 01:10:58.479
you take it one by one. I don't think, incidentally,
1289
01:10:58.479 --> 01:11:01.279
the Woody Allen falls into the Kanye West or even
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01:11:01.359 --> 01:11:05.239
you know, Roman Polanski school. I think it's more complicated
1291
01:11:05.279 --> 01:11:06.880
than that. You know, we don't have to get into that.
1292
01:11:07.000 --> 01:11:09.920
But yeah, I mean, I think you can appreciate our
1293
01:11:10.239 --> 01:11:13.199
things that are beautiful and acknowledge that people are flawed
1294
01:11:13.239 --> 01:11:16.640
and sometimes evil even and that there's still beauty. I
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01:11:16.640 --> 01:11:20.119
don't know. It's just a weird, a weird thing to
1296
01:11:20.119 --> 01:11:22.199
have to deal with, I guess. But Kanye West, yeah,
1297
01:11:22.239 --> 01:11:25.079
he's mental. I think he's mentally ill, right, and no
1298
01:11:25.119 --> 01:11:27.119
one really takes them serious. I mean, it doesn't excuse
1299
01:11:27.119 --> 01:11:29.600
what he's saying, but he's still not something we should
1300
01:11:29.600 --> 01:11:33.159
take very seriously. Right, all right, that was a good
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01:11:33.199 --> 01:11:38.239
way to end. Please send us mail. We're at radio
1302
01:11:38.279 --> 01:11:39.960
at the Federals dot com. We love to hear from
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01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:43.039
you until we see you next. Be lovers of freedom
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01:11:43.079 --> 01:11:44.039
and anxious for the pray.
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01:11:45.239 --> 01:11:48.039
That's great. It starts with the nerds.
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Great bird snake scenario.
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Way Lenny Bruce is not
