Marvel DC and Wildstorm Stories From Jim Lee

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Hi, everybody, welcome back. It's Word Balloon the Comic Book
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Conversation show John Suntrass here with another panel from Terrificon.
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But I'm not on this panel. This was the Jim
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Lee spotlight panel. Jim didn't need a moderator, didn't want
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anyone to introduce him. Although you as you'll hear maybe
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that part m'd have been a mistake Jim, because well
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you'll hear it. And he took questions from the audience
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as he drew two fays, which is interesting. And then
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a special surprise, one of the classic creators received a
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Lifetime Achievement award at Terrificon and Jim was roped in,
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although very gladly to be the man to present it
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to him. That is at the end of the panel.
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But you're going to enjoy this really interestingly, Jim not
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only had stories about DC, but he also had stories
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about Marvel and his family and turning sixty. He just
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turned sixty. It was a really good look at the
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man and his career. A Jim Lee spotlight panel from
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I wish you, oh well, thank you, thank you. Yeah yeah, yeah.
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Sunday, Sunday Sunday.
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In fact, some people, we're here at Boston Comic Con
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at twenty sixteen, and it.
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Was actually August eleventh, So I actually celebrated.
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My birthday here and here in Boston, so I have.
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Some strong memories of conventions in this area my birthday,
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But for the past four years I've celebrated my birthday
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in tup Me. My daughter competes. She writes ponies and fancies.
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I would not recommend the sport. It is the black
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hole of sports. It's it's a huge amitment, not just
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in terms of money but time.
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Like we probably spent forty weekends.
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A year at different shows around mostly Southern California and
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Palm Springs, but then there's other shows in Travers City.
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I went there, I did a store Sunday Traverse City,
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and then Lexington, Kentucky, where I just was.
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So I went to but Luckily this year, my birthday
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fell on Sunday.
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She was done Saturday, so I was in Saturday in
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Lexington till the tenth. On the eleventh, we flew to
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Cablo to celebrate in Mexico with some of my family.
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I was there till yesterday. I took the flight back
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to la and then took the red.
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Eye here, got in this morning at seven in the morning,
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and then drove here and showered and got to I didn't.
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Expect so many people to be here. Honestly, it was
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a very busy show. You guys like comic books in
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this area.
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So anyway, So has anyone been I've never been to
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the show before because I don't expect a lot of
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people to answer yes, But has anyone been to a
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spotlight panel like this where I've talked and dront got two?
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Yeah, okay, it's matter any folks. And then so the
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rest of you guys are new to this. You guys
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are from Connecticut. I've learned that a lot of people
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from Connecticut don't like to leave their houses.
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That's that's my one take away. I ask a lot
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of people where they're from. I want to know who's
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in front of me. Keeps things moving.
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And because there's nothing more dull than just sitting inside
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your name over and over unless they're checks.
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To yourself than that. That's pretty good anyway.
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And a lot of you guys are from like thirty
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minutes away, an hour away, and this is the only
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convention that you go to.
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What I go like, isn't there New York com com
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just like an hour away?
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And people just don't like, I guess you guys are
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here because it's quiet, no crowds, you know.
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I discovered that that was it.
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Western Connecticut's the wild crazy part of Connecticut, Like they
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do veriable financing from lungs there, like some really crazy
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out of the box making like let you guys know
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how to party.
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So anyway, so the format of this.
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Panel is I just kind of talk, and I like,
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there was a guy that was going to moderate, did
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he already leave?
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He's there, yeah, And he did all this research.
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And I feel really bad because I usually don't have
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a moderator only for the reason that I think it
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puts someone in between the people you guys and and
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me and and and.
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It makes it clear that steers in the right direction.
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Pay is a better experience at the end of the day.
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But it feels less spontaneous, and it feels less interactive
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to me. And so over the years, as I've done
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these panels, I find that it's best if I just
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sit here and do my thing.
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So I'm gonna start drawing, and then I answer questions.
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The focus of the panel is usually around like my career,
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it's less about hey, why.
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Did you kill this character?
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You know, an issue one forty eight in Batman, like
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you know whatever, like, so they're less about the actual
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comments sen it's more about kind of art, talking about
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art and why you got into art, and what art
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means to me and my career and how.
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It got into it. I find a lot of times
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on these panels with a lot of aspiring artists.
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I don't maybe a couple of young kids here anyway,
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So I'm gonna start drawing.
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Oh and then the other.
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Reason why I think some people come to these panels
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is I give away the drawings.
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There was some.
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Controversy online about my commission rates being very high, and
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I've blamed my daughter and her writing ponies, because honestly,
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I have more than I need.
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I mean, I've got, you know, I.
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Draw because I love comments, but those damn ponies they
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don't feed themselves and it's ridiculous.
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So she started out as a hunter, but she does
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jumpers now.
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So jumpers is when you have a horse, you just
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jump over fences and it's all based on time. Super dangerous.
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She's fallen off, the horses have rolled on top of hers.
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It's how she is twelve.
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She's twelve.
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Yeah, so her eventul thing is to become a young
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writer and then junior writer and then yeah, she wants
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to get an Olympian and I so cooled, like, Okay,
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how much?
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How much am I gonna be on the hook for?
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And the average age of an Olympian is thirty seven
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years old? So I get the math and I'll be broke.
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Yeah, so I'm looking forward to it. It's going to
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be exciting. But I think Bruce Brinstein's daughter.
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Competed in the Tokyo Olympics and she was in her
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late twenties. It's possible if you're the daughter of a
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mega famous rod star. So I had to explained to
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her who Bruce Springsteen was anyway.
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So anyway, so that's what's going on there.
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Uh anyway, So I'm gonna draw something, We're gonna engage
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in meaningful, profound, hilarious conversation.
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Unlikely, but anyway, and then we'll give away the drawings
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at the end. And I'm just a need reminders of
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the time. So does anyone have a request for a drawing?
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Patrick?
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Yeah?
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That is your name? Right?
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Did I guess correctly? I could have guessed a lot
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of Differay? So two face Okay? Is that any reason
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why two face.
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Face was always just like such a cool character? Uh huh,
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just like a story? Yeah it is, you're right. Okay,
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all right, we're gonna start with two face. Okay, So
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you know what, I'm gonna share a personally for you.
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So for my birthday, I told my kids, like, it's like, please,
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no gifts unless you're gonna buy bundles of hay because that.
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That crowd doesn't makes sense. They eat a lot. But
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I did get this watch. I don't normally wear a
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gold watch, but so this is uh it's a fan
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Can you see this? Yeah? So I got this watch
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for my sixtieth Can you read it? No?
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And I was like, wow, you guys are really good.
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I saw it here in Connecticut. It says, uh, you
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have to take my word for it. It says to
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dad with love and respect, Jim. So this is I
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gave my dad this watch on his sixtieth birthday, and when.
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I turned sixty, he's ninety now, he gave me this wash.
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And I know you guys are all thinking, what a
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cheap guy.
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He regifted me my own gift.
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But obviously has great sentiment of value and it was
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very unexpected. So it was very emotional, meaningful, and it's
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awesome Saturday. So two face, two face, the way you
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draw two faces, draw a normal face and then you
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scar the left side. It's a greasy all right? Did
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you scoff someone's head?
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Okay? So, oh, by the way, is anyone we didn't
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do an intro? But does anyone not know who I am?
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No?
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No, I just wanted to. I just I just realized
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I skipped over a big section. There's some people that
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are waiting for the next panel or here, just taken
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a little nap. Yeah, I do draw on it. Then
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it don't be a shame. You can raise your hand
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and say I really don't know. Yeah, yeah, all right,
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well yeah you don't know, right right? A long rod
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I've done like So the reason why.
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I usually don't have a moderator is, like every panel,
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I try to do something of the different, like I
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find myself. I consider myself a creative person, and I
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try to mix things up. I've done panels where I've
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had people from the audience come up and collaborate with
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me and draw sketches together.
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They weren't really good sketches, but it was fun and
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it was fun. I'm gonna be honest.
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I've had fans come up who said they were fans
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and said, I'm not gonna do my intro, tell the
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audience who I am, and.
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That's all we hilarious too.
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They're sometimes pretty good with it, and so we've done
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it in a number of different ways. And then I've
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also done kind of how too drumming. So I don't
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know where the this is going to go per se,
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but we're going to start with to face and see
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where the conversation goes. But as I start drawing, if
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you have a question and you want to ask, feel free.
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To do it.
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And then towards the end there will be a way
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for us to figure out how to give away the art.
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I understand that there is a website that talks about
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how to win these sketches?
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Is there someone that is someone familiar with it?
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Like someone told me that, Like because I ask for
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a lot of similar things and people have.
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More regularly had those things.
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On them, you know, And it's always surprisingly like.
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Oh, how you have a file nail you know, or
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a table or tail nail clutters or whatever.
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And it's because people share this information and they prepare themselves.
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So there's a whole consortium of cheaters out.
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There are live with eBay and if figure out how
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to way to gain the system. Anyway, sir, you have
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a question, I'm gonna draw the egg to get started
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on two face you've.
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Actually you're talking before you talk behaviors. How art is
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your passion?
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You grew up in comics right because you love drawing
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a little curious why you would go into the publishing
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business side of things given how much you blow?
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Aren't Why why are you waiting to take.
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You over DC Comics and not keep drawing it fun?
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And can you tell me that your daughter's wont that's toffy? Yeah,
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I don't want to blame.
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sort of back door, Like I didn't get into comics
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because I wanted to run publishing.
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I didn't want.
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To sit in you know, P and L meetings and
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marketing meetings.
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I think you had.
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Said it and you didn't want to do that with
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Wild Storm, which is why you would have.
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Backed Yeah, yeah, yeah, but gosh.
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but when you're sitting there drawing for a long period
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of time, my mind wanders and I think of it
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would be cool if we did this as an initiative,
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or what a fun way to market and promote a comic,
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And so I have interest in that, and so it's
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really hard for me to just sit and draw. At
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the same time, I have people within DC that have
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urged me to like quit drawing and just focus on
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the managerial executive piece, because there's value to the greater good.
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The money you make off a comic book is for
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a company like Warner Brothers, discovery is minimal, so they
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see more value in overseeing and shepherding and coming up
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with big initiatives, right, And I like that, but it's
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not as creatively fulfilling, right, So there's the personal you
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do that's kind of in the trenches, and then you
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have the bigger stuff that drives the business.
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It interests me, but I wouldn't want to do a
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full time And the comics interests me a great deal,
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but I find that I kind of get a little
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bored because my mind wanders and wants to do things
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like we should do prints from this, you know. So
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it's just a natural inclination. So when I got into it, it
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was all about art. But then as I learn more
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about the business, I got interested in conventions, inking, writing
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and plotting all these things, and I almost couldn't stop.
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And so it's the great thing about DC is they
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understand this sort of duality to my sort of aspirations,
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and they figure it out.
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A way for me to do both. And it really
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is a unique kind of job for me.
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And so the grass is always greener. So if I'm working,
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if I'm drawing at three in the morning on a deadline,
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and go like, oh my god, I could be in
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a P and L meeting at ten o'clock in the morning,
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Why am I not in this meeting?
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Why am I drawing? And then if I'm in the
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P and l meeting. I'm not I can just be
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drawing at home.
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Oh yeah, of course, of course, of course, yeah, yeah,
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of course of course.
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Yeah. You know you're old. Thank you. So here's here's
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two face. Can you see this? It's the best two
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faces I've ever drawn. Just take my little It is amazing.
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I have channel Leonardo da Vinci.
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And that's when I think, hold on, there there should
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be a.
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H you don't believe me. There's usually.
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Yeah, okay, contract there's a dark But what does this do?
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Now? That didn't do it? Once I put ink down?
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It should now look like I can draw without underdrawing.
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That's even more impressive. Okay, hold one, can you see this? No?
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All right, Oh my god, I'm just gonna draw. We'll
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pass it around and then it comes back. I'll draw
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it some more.
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Wow. All right, hmm hold on, Oh here we go.
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Ah what are those lines? Their shadows?
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Okay, ah, that's weird?
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Correct? Correct, correct, correct, correct, it is it is. We
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will help.
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Does anyone have a strong arm and very steady control
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of their muscletchure? Alright, we're just going to live with
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the shadows, all right, all right, So that's uh okay,
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that marker is dead.
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Happens a lot.
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I do this also on Twitch very frequently infrequently.
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I'm sorry this at the end of the day. For me,
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I've been signing NonStop and it took an a launch break.
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I think we pushed through four hundred and eighty people
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in one hundred minutes, and I did the math.
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It came out to twelve seconds of person.
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So and I was spending like two minutes a person
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at the beginning finding out how exciting Connecticut connecticuts, what
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do you guys call it yourself? Connecticut canteens, nutmegs meg
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nut meggers.
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Wow, what'rest But.
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A lot of our trees died because I'm like, oh whatever, So, yeah,
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it's not a whole great story for.
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Cow there's a nutmeg tree there was, I just not
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want filled it. And then you don't really have nutmegs anymore.
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And now, oh, I was thinking.
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I was thinking of soccer. Do you know what nutmegging
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is in soccer? Yeah, that's the cooler story about it.
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What you guys just say, we're really the soccer and
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we perfected nutmegging.
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You've been uh drawing comics for decades? Who's the decades.
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You are hell old your favorite specifically from like the
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X Men universe?
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Like, who's your favorite person?
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Drum, Who's my favorite person draw?
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Because I've been drawing for decades. Who's who? Who's your
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favorite character that I draw? Well, it's even in my lads,
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it's row. Those are two bigs. I wouldn't say they're
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my favorite.
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Uh, good guess, but CycL is my favorite character to draw.
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You don't like Cyclopes the cartoon?
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Which cartoon, the ninety seven or the the original woman?
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Yeah?
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Because he was I don't just seemed kind of like
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his personality is kind of like movie.
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His personality is kind of wimpy.
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Cyclops was my favorite X Men before Wolverine of the
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original Uh, you know, Feast, Marvel Girl, Iceman, Angel, and
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Cyclops because he's the only one that really had powers
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like Jane Gray could read your mind and then Angel
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had wings come out of his back like great uh,
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and the Beast was like a strong dude. Iceman had powers. Yeah,
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Iceman those powers, but there are cold powers. But Cyclops.
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I liked.
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He seemed very tragic to me that that he had
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I think like his earliest when his powers manifested, then
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he like killed his best friend or something, or hurt
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his best friend or like, that's pretty sad, right, Like
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you can you don't relate to that at all. You
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don't have any empathy or sympathy for that guy. You
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just said, what a boring guy he blew away. All
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his schoolmates carry this trauma. You're a teacher too, write okay,
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you have a lot of sympathy for your students.
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I see, no, And.
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I like the fact that because you know, the way
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we take into information mostly is through our eyes, and
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that is the main window, literally a window of how
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he takes in reality.
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But that window is very dangerous for him.
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And it transformed him from being a normal person to
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literally possibly killing someone if you looked at him the
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wrong way.
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That's pretty heavy. Who's your favorite XT night again? Hmm?
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Okay, okay, Well they're similarly tragic. I mean, not being
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able to touch, so the robbing of the senses, right,
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So the rogue and cyclops share that.
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And he wasn't a little white bread.
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But I also like felt that that was partly what
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made him sympathetic, is that he.
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Carried a lot of responsibility. I don't know if he
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was a natural born leader, but that's the role he had,
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and that's the role he tried to fulfill. And he
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was dealing with a.
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Bunch of losers to be honest, like the other X Men,
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like more and more than to the third multi millionaire
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sign like he would be like the worst person to
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a team, right, like like you know, he would like.
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Well, why are we doing this? We could just buy
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that corporation. We don't need to defeat it, you know.
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And so he's very privileged, and so I think he'd
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be annoying the beast, probably too smart, like a know
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it all right, like very annoying and iceman, very juvenile
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and Jean Gray can read your mind. Don't want to
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hang out with that person. And then who's the last
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person that's it?
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Right, professor as right, So I felt like and he
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had a cool nickname Slunton, which made no sense to me.
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Uh so, yeah, So I liked that colops a lot,
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and so when I gotten the book, I wanted to restore.
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Him to leader the leadership position. But I can see
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why people don't like him.
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But but I felt he really capsulated the conceit of
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the X Men, which is they had these fantastical powers,
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but they wish they didn't have them. They viewed them
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as curses, and so I thought he was. He felt
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the most cursed to me of the original five. But
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I do like Rogue at Gambit too. I don't want
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you to walk away feeling like you already appreciated or scene.
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And it was fun kind of putting them in a
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relationship together.
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You can cyclog you're giving him the best character design
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if anyone's ever given it, because that deprigitive.
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So yeah, oh thanks NANX. Yeah.
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It only took like thirty years for people to understand
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the brilliance of that original design and for three decades,
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and that's why I feel like, what didn't What did
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New fifty two? That was twenty ten, so twenty forty,
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so what is that In sixteen years people will be like,
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oh my god, the New fifty two designs are so awesome,
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we loved them because I'm not hearing that now.
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But I know it's coming. I know it's coming.
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And actually a few of you at this show did
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come up and say, I really love the New fifty
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two and I and I know that we'll build up.
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I just know how these trends work. When when you've
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been in comics for a while. People hate change for
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the most part, unless you're the first to experience that change,
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and then you did like Padlovian like attachment to it, like, oh,
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this is my green lantern, this is my my flash
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quality Wester Kyle.
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Rayner or whatever. So it's what you kind of grew
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up on.
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And so I know that we brought in a lot
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of readers, a lot of new readers, a lot of
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laughs readers of New fifty two, and they're slowly gonna
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reveal themselves in the coming years, and I will feel vindicated.
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Anyway. Yes, so in comics is working.
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What was the push I means you jump over a
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be a part of setting up a new oly comic.
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I think a lot of it was youthful arrogance and stupidity.
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And I mean that in the nicest way in that
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I was I just think when you're that age in
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your twenties, anyone in their twenties here, Yeah, you know
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what I'm talking about, right right, you just feel like,
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I don't know, you just feel like anything is possible,
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and you feel like no one can really teach you anything.
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You figured it all out, You're twenty five. I figured
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it all out, and.
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I think a lot of us, you know, had had
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put our time in with Marvel, and I think a
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lot of Todd who said, like we were too stupid
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to realize whether we're making a mistake or not, or
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something like that, you know, like that that you're oblivious
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to what you don't know, and so you're willing to
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take those risks because you don't even understand them to
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be risks. You don't even know what the consequences are.
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It's just like, that's cool, let's publish ourselves.
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Why not. And we had no idea what we were doing.
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We made every mistake in the book, but we were
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so successful in the sales of it all that it
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made up for a lot.
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Of the mistakes that we were.
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You know, like you could screw up, then we're still
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doing well, Like the mistakes weren't bankrupting us, right, And
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we did make a lot of mistakes, but luckily we
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hired a lot of good people and those people knew
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what they're doing. And then obviously the company Morphin moved
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away from sort of the core group of six people.
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Doing superheroes to what it is now.
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But your answer is, I think we were kind of
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look and also at that time, I think creators were
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treated well at Marvel, but I don't know if they
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were on par with you know, how they looked at
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the characters as being valuable to the business, right, they
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thought it was character first, And I was okay if
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we had creators along. But I think our point of
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view was that the creators were as important, if not
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more important, and interjecting life and excitement into these characters
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that have been around for decades, you know, and I
497
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think that's vital to you know, like a character like
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Batman celebrating eighty five years. How do you Batman relevant? Well,
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you have to have the best creators telling awesome stories.
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That's how you keep characters.
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You know. When people talk to about.
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Superhero fatigue, I'm sorry if I'm jumping around from top
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of the topic. I sound like Donald Trump or something,
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but you know, like, and that's not a dig. I'm
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just saying that I've noticed is that is that it's
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it's not that there's too many superhero movies. There are
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too many sort of not great superhero movies, right, and
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so how do you keep Batman?
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And I don't think there's any.
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I think the reason why Batman is the most popular
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character at DC and arguably one of the most popular
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characters in the world.
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Is that he's got the best stories. If you look.
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At his library of contents from Batman, you're one of
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Dark Knight returns to Court of v owelves to all
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these great killing joke. I mean, there's so many great
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Batman stories, and I think that's why Batman is popular
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and not and you.
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Know, beyond the modern sort of origins.
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The cool costume and and all that other stuff that's great,
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but it's the stories that really drive the popularity and engagement.
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With the audience. Thank you is still one of my favorites. Oh,
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thank you very much.
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Thank you. Oh wait, I'm drawing the wrong side like
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a wait, that.
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Would be too easy.
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I'm gonna fix it. Huh cracks broken here, I've broken mirror. Yeah,
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there's another twin.
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Crossing the streams. The syrup I want to stay on.
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I guess the little imagucating on right now? The image?
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The image? Okay, so when uh, I.
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Guess post you sell your age properties over.
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To d C. Yes, we haven't seen a lot of wee.
534
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Yes, we haven't treated a lot of the other ones
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and when they popped up, I would say.
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They maybe they haven't been treated as well as they
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should have been, right, why.
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So there's a little more.
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I want to talk to my manager because Karen, I
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don't have a lot of advantage about So.
541
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I was in college when other stuff and I.
542
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Was really drawn them to Wildcats and storage church and
543
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backtrash was my favorite for reasons.
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And as I've grown and sort of watched as they've
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Betty not used as well as I think they should
546
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be or could be developed more within the DC universe.
547
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It's maybe wonder if it's just there's too many fish
548
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in a pond.
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I agree with you. So I think when we started
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New fifty two, we wanted.
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To do things that we hadn't done before, right Dan date,
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digital shipping, revive a lot of like non superhero genre
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like you know, Westa, We did Western More, we didn't
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do romance, but we were doing books that that I
555
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think DC has been known for many years as never
556
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just always been superheroes, horror, romance, science fiction, fantasy has
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always been I think synonymous with DC tild like for
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the seventies or so so incorporating them into it. But
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in this but the other hand, I do feel like
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as someone who created the Willstorm universe, it works better
561
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in my opinion when it's a standalone universe.
562
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Right, Why do you.
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Need Stormwatch if you have the Justice League? Why do
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you need Mister Majestic if you have Superman?
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Right? And so there's that overlap to it.
566
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That said, I think there's some been some really interesting takes,
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you know, Matt Matthew Rosenberg doing did a fantastic run
568
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Warren Ellis came back and did Storm Warning, and I
569
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think they all kind of have tried to address that.
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But you know, to me, it just comes down the
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story and finding the right story and and solving for that.
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But I do think they're they're within this sort of
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framework of the multiverse. Uh, it might be interesting to
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revisit a standalone wild Storm universe.
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Just for kicks and for fun.
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You know, that's the second question look for to see
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while those characters find with the screen.
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With engineering time. Am I excited for that? Screw no,
579
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he you seem like you're like current negative. I love
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P and L meeting that just so I dis exaggerate.
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That for the for comedic say no, I U, I don't,
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I don't think of. I tend to be a pretty
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positive person, and so when I think about a character
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showing up in a TV short movie, I don't go
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to like I hope they don't screw it up.
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I go to like, Oh, that's pretty cool. I can't
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wait to see how they change it.
588
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No, I can't wait to see how they do it,
589
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and I feel confident it will happen.
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But I'm not.
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I don't draw comics with intent of hopefully seeing the
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ideas or the characters shop on the big screen.
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That that's not the driving motivation behind it. It's a
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nice perk.
595
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I heard there's a character from the nineties I created
596
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over at Marvel that's in a recent movie that grows
597
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to a billion dollars.
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And it's exciting to see it.
599
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But it again, it like it was maybe if it
600
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came out like five years after I worked on it,
601
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but so many years had passed.
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It's just it's so long ago and I don't know.
603
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But at the same time, it was it was interesting
604
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to see it happen so soon, like Stan Leekers Spider
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Man in nineteen sixty one.
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Sixty two, Fantastic four of sixty one. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
607
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Purposely screwed that up because I don't want to make
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it seem like i'd known more about that.
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And so and.
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Spider Man came out when he was seventy five, I think,
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or something like that, right, I mean, oh.
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Hi, I had one minute left. Oh my god, I'm
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never gonna get through that. All right, sorry, hold on? Wow?
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How long was he standing there for?
615
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:05.880
Okay, I'm super perceptive.
616
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:11.960
All right, you had five minutes when you've watched the tables. Yeah, yeah, you're.
617
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Very polite, by the way. All right, so let's let's
618
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let's do this. So the short answer is, yes, I
619
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think it'll be very exciting. And uh uh, I think
620
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it will be interesting working on the DC side because
621
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I'm more involved in kind of what's happening. Obviously, it's
622
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it's James and James Gunn and Peter Saffran's show. But
623
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but I you know, and i'd never talk to anyone
624
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:39.480
at Marvel about it. You know, I found out when
625
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they invited me to the premiere. I figure why they
626
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invited me to the premiere. Maybe maybe one of the
627
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care right, So I figured out why they invited me.
628
00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:49.440
So it's very different seeing something you created decades ago,
629
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brought to the screen where you had no involvement.
630
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It's cool. It's it's fun.
631
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:55.679
Uh, And it's very different if you're on the other
632
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side actually like reading the script and giving feedback and
633
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you know, seeing designs, you know that kind of thing,
634
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and walking on the set and seeing it being more
635
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of that part of the process of character kind of
636
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:11.599
coming to life kind of thing. Yeah, but it's yeah,
637
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it's great, no complaints.
638
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What's your favorite color? My favorite color? Ooh uh?
639
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I I asked that as as one of the gigaway questions.
640
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Are you asking to get a leg up on later? No?
641
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:32.039
No, it was orange when I was younger, but then
642
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:35.199
my wife told me that you cannot have that as
643
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your favorite color.
644
00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:43.000
So it's it's black now. Uh, it's a. It's a
645
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:44.599
it's a bright, intense color.
646
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:45.320
Now.
647
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:46.840
I still like orange.
648
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:49.679
My alm modern colors are orange and black, but I
649
00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:52.880
think as I've gotten older, it's dark blue.
650
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:55.639
I don't know. Does that say anything? Are you? Are
651
00:37:55.679 --> 00:38:02.159
you A? Yeah? You're just what's your favorite color? Red?
652
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:12.480
Like blood red or like a burgundy red blood red?
653
00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:17.119
Okay, I'm not I'm not trying to go I was
654
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:18.239
a psychology major.
655
00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:25.000
So read your alma materos Red.
656
00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:29.639
Orange is Blacker Tigers Tigers.
657
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:32.559
Yeah, so all right, so I'm almost done with this.
658
00:38:33.519 --> 00:38:36.159
We got a couple of minutes, right, what was your
659
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:37.039
first comic?
660
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:42.199
The first comic I read, first comic I remember was
661
00:38:42.199 --> 00:38:46.599
the Tarzan DC Comics barber shop when I was probably
662
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:52.840
like six years old or so in Ohio where I
663
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:57.400
grew up. And he was fighting a cheetah on the cover.
664
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And I've tried to find that I'm Agan, except there's
665
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:02.679
like eighteen different.
666
00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:11.199
Covers of Tarzan fighting in cheetah. Very common thing. But yeah, sir,
667
00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:13.159
they had Jim.
668
00:39:13.239 --> 00:39:16.320
So there was a podcast, Rob Lifelt's podcast that he
669
00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:18.599
was going over an old Comics Journal interview.
670
00:39:18.639 --> 00:39:20.320
I think you did before.
671
00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:22.119
The launch of the X Men number one, right, You
672
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:28.440
talked about not being happy with the printing of ours, yes,
673
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which I found very interesting, you know, as things had
674
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:35.119
progress after X number one. You know, I'd love to
675
00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:37.599
hear your thoughts on you know, the newsprint versus the
676
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:40.760
new paper and when you thought you you saw your
677
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:43.159
arms printed and we're like, oh, that's it, That's how I.
678
00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:48.159
Wanted to see it. Well, I think this guy's very technical.
679
00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:52.119
But there was something called let's or screw it up.
680
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:54.480
No, I forget the name of it, but there was
681
00:39:54.519 --> 00:39:57.840
a pretty process that Marvel's doing that was very cheap, and.
682
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:00.440
The rep reduction of.
683
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:04.760
The black line was really really poor, and so that
684
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:07.920
looked really bad. But then they, to their credit, they
685
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got rid of it after a couple of years or so.
686
00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:13.840
There's a double pay spread that I did during the
687
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Extinction agenda where it's all the X men in the courthouse,
688
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and it's the way they handled double pay spreads is
689
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they took the double pay spread, shrunk it down, and
690
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then printed from that. So you're going to lose a
691
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:28.519
lot of detail just simply from doing that. And then
692
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:32.199
there's like a Japanese version of that same comic that
693
00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:34.480
they printed they didn't do that process, and you can
694
00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:37.360
see that double page spread the way it should have been, right,
695
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:41.800
And there's it's a huge difference, right and so, and
696
00:40:41.880 --> 00:40:45.280
I think any large publishing company, DC included, you're going
697
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:48.679
to look to save money here and there. But as
698
00:40:48.679 --> 00:40:50.519
an artist, that's not what you care about. It's the
699
00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:52.519
fidelity of the art you create on paper and how
700
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:56.440
it translates when it's reproduced, so coloring, you know, it
701
00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:58.960
was flat colors, and so when we started Image, we
702
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:00.480
wanted to increase the quality.
703
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:06.239
The paper costs more. We brought in computer coloring.
704
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:11.679
That costs more because you're paying the colors probably ten
705
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:14.400
times more than what you get paid, you know, eight
706
00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:16.440
to ten times more kind of than what they were
707
00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:20.960
doing before. But that's what that's all we cared about.
708
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:23.599
Wasn't really about making more money. It was about creating
709
00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:25.360
the comics that we saw in our head.
710
00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:29.920
Well, man, did you like get.
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To a point where you saw one of your comments
712
00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:33.840
and Image and say like, oh, I find.
713
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A gut where I wanted it to be. Oh yeah,
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I think the very first issue walk yet.
715
00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:41.559
Yeah, like everything you know, from the computer coloring to
716
00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:46.400
the paper quality to everything. Yeah, I mean it's super important,
717
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:49.480
like the weight of the paper, the texture of the paper,
718
00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:49.920
how it.
719
00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:50.880
Absorbs black ink.
720
00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:54.039
Have you knowed sometimes when you look at art a
721
00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:56.679
large black space, you'll see the black space, but then
722
00:41:56.679 --> 00:41:59.639
you'll see color underneath it, but it doesn't go all
723
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:03.360
the way through. That stuff drives me insane, right, All
724
00:42:03.400 --> 00:42:05.960
you have to do is put the color fully behind it, right,
725
00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:08.800
And so those kind of trapping issues were very common
726
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:11.960
in the old days, and for the most part there
727
00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:16.239
they no longer exist. And I do think image was
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00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:21.599
a trailblazer and kind of improving that you're welcome.
729
00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:27.800
Okay, do you have a cow much piece that you're worth?
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00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:30.239
Brought us a published piece that I'm most proud of.
731
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:37.239
There's a lot, but it's not for story reasons, you know?
732
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:39.239
Was it?
733
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:41.480
As people bring me books to sign, I always check
734
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them out. And every time I see a cover piece
735
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I've done, it reminds me of like where I drew
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it or some sort story. Like I drew this in
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a hotel at three in the morning while my parents,
738
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you know, all of my parents, like my family was
739
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sleeping in bed. I drew like the cover to one
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of the Dark Knight Returns covers in the bathroom of
741
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the Mayor in Paris at two in the morning because
742
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I had to get it done and FedEx back. And
743
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the bathroom was the most well lit room in that hotel.
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And uh.
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And I was drawing standing up on the marble counter
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and the cover turned out okay.
747
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Uh. And and then there's one coper I drew.
748
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On the floor of a moving train also in France,
749
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you know, like the aisles in between the cabbagies.
750
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I laid on the ground and I.
751
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Just drew a cover of Divine Right, so uh and
752
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and then Batman black and White. I did that in
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a hotel room in Berlin, so I was traveling a lot.
754
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And uh So those are the things that kind of
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come up in my mind. But sometimes you.
756
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Just go that that there's a The Ruins of Kunark.
757
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It was a someone brought me an EverQuest comic to sign,
758
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and I just liked how the lizard holds. I forgot
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the main female, whether there's ELF's name, I forgot.
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Excuse me, if you're on av that's right.
761
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And I liked how I captured that gesture wasn't a
762
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big sound and comic, I don't think most people. So
763
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every there's something in every image I've drawn where I've
764
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done something new or I've kind of overcame an artistic challenge,
765
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and so I'm looking at it very different ways than
766
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I think you all are, which can sometimes be a
767
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detriment because sometimes I save art thinking like this is
768
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going to be valuable someday. Because I figured out how
769
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to do three point perspective in this in this particular cover,
770
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no one else cares, right, And so my standards are
771
00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:42.159
what I think I look for and a piece are
772
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very different than I think what consumers or fans or
773
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readers see. So it makes a little tricky sort of
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gauging what is good or bad or you know, a breakthrough,
775
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because my breakthroughs are not necessarily the same ones that
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you guys see.
777
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Okay, yes, to.
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Get your personal, professional and corporate take.
779
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On AI, yes, yes, what can you tell us? Uh?
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I don't know. Do you do you like AI? I
781
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do I like to read the room?
782
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No?
783
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Have you ever used the AI?
784
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:23.760
If we could have had a Julie world from day
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one and that model was.
786
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:28.480
All Jimmy that amazing. Yeah, but.
787
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I think companies are not understand mindset there.
788
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I think they're were interested in bottom lines.
789
00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:38.760
But yeah, so you are an artist or creator and
790
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so you have a forward or.
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Say it's curious. So to me, AI is it's a
792
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bit like social media.
793
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It's interesting to look at, but it's very fleeting and
794
00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:48.559
kind of the feeling goes away.
795
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It's very disposable to me. A lot of AI R
796
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to me is kind.
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Of dull, like it has a certain look to it,
798
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and I can kind of guess that it's AI generated.
799
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If there was an AI engine though, that could draw
800
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like how I draw, and I got some royalty from it. Heck, yeah,
801
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So I think it's really about credit and compensation, especially
802
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if you're scrubbing from certain artists. I think that's the
803
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worst part of it, is that it's sort of taking
804
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everyone's work and just saying it has no value. We
805
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:20.440
can easily we can all steal and borrow from it,
806
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and I think that's wrong, right. But I think fundamentally,
807
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even if there was an AI engine where I could
808
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input something, it would draw something that I drew.
809
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I don't know if i'd use it. I draw pictures.
810
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I draw because it brings me great pleasure, and I
811
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have such a sense of accomplishment when I draw something
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that I'm happy with at the end, even if it's
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eight twelve hours, I don't even notice it it's been
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twelve hours.
815
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You just get into it and time flies by and
816
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you have something, and you put work in and you
817
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get something.
818
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If I didn't have to put the work in, I
819
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got something, and anyone could do that, I would feel
820
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there was no real value there, and it robbed me
821
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of the experience of creating something and energizing the parts
822
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of the brain that really love and respond to creativity,
823
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because I think that is something that I do pride
824
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myself on and it.
825
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Gives me great joy being creative.
826
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So I don't know if I'd want to live in
827
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a world where I didn't have a means of tapping
828
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into that.
829
00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:24.719
That said, I've.
830
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Used AI to write letters a complaint, and man, it
831
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is great at bitching out people. So you know, I
832
00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:33.960
was on a flight where the seat didn't recline back
833
00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:38.000
and I just typed in one sentence and it generated
834
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this letter.
835
00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:39.280
I sent it off to.
836
00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:41.880
An airline and they gave me and my wife two
837
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hundred dollars.
838
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:45.119
At credit each. Fantastic.
839
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And I just don't like writing letters to complain. I
840
00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:52.920
hate complaining and I feel like I'm wasting my time.
841
00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:57.880
So there's some real benefits to it. And if you
842
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:04.840
have to create a puzzle with rhyming stanzas, it's super
843
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:07.760
helpful in that. So there's I do feel there's value
844
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:11.360
in it. I've tried to push it to create like
845
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names of superhero characters.
846
00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:15.000
It's horrible at that.
847
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:19.119
It's not great a generating story and everything, and I
848
00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:20.840
get that maybe someday there will.
849
00:48:20.719 --> 00:48:23.760
Be a world where everyone can create content.
850
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:27.480
I just don't know if that's the world I want
851
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to live in, and frankly I won't.
852
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:32.440
I probably won't be around, so I don't worry about
853
00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:36.920
it too much. So anyway, there you go, all right,
854
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:42.159
as having a daughter impact in your work. I have
855
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six daughters.
856
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:49.000
Yeah, yeah, daughters, yeah, and the five oldest kids we're
857
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all teenagers at once.
858
00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:52.960
I call those the last years.
859
00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:59.000
Daughters are amazing, and I don't want to generalize or
860
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:05.119
be sexist, but they're much they're much more social. It
861
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was five girls, three boys, you know, five girls, two boys,
862
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a girl and a boy. And then when when all
863
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the girls were out of the house in college and
864
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it's just the boys, it got super quiet, and you
865
00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:22.400
know how a school okay, And then they go in
866
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the room. I wouldn't see them for like two weeks,
867
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and they were heavy into gaming and so but I
868
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love them obviously for different reasons. But the girls, they
869
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:37.400
bring me great joy that they are so open with
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00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:39.960
the like just sharing what's going on in their lives.
871
00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:43.800
And now they're an age where they appreciate having parents,
872
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:47.880
because there's some years parents, know, right, they kind of
873
00:49:48.440 --> 00:49:53.559
go away or they they're not as thankful, they're resentful.
874
00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:54.440
There you go, that's good.
875
00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:57.840
And then they go away and they turn twenty one
876
00:49:57.960 --> 00:49:59.880
twenty and they come back and they're like very thank
877
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:03.280
and all the memories that they thought were boring and horrible,
878
00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:05.320
like that was a stupid trip. They go like, why
879
00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:07.119
can't we go back? That was so much fun. I'm like,
880
00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:09.880
are you the same person? Like what happened? That as
881
00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:12.519
a mind swap or something going on. So it's great.
882
00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:16.519
It's it's like parenthood and it's been a true blessing
883
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and I wouldn't trade it for anything.
884
00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:23.559
Okay, I think so. I think that's it for the questions.
885
00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:25.519
We actually have a special thing we're gonna do for
886
00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:28.159
y'all and then I'll give away this art at end
887
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:29.920
and hopefully i'll kind of talk.
888
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:31.000
But we have.
889
00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:38.519
A special award that we are going to present. Jose
890
00:50:38.719 --> 00:50:43.000
Garcia Lopez. You're probably wondering why you're here at my panel.
891
00:50:44.559 --> 00:51:00.440
Okay, please come up. I'm gonna have you help finished
892
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:03.159
the drawing. No no.
893
00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:09.239
Good good goodness you goods click and seat or no,
894
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they stand up standing, We'll do the standing up.
895
00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:14.760
So this is a terrific con sort.
896
00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:17.920
Of a lifetime achievement award that I'm happy to present
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you for all the amazing work at artwork and enjoyment
898
00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:25.719
that you've given generations of fans over the decades. And
899
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I'm gonna share a personal story. When I was like
900
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ten years old, like nine or ten, of the fourth grade,
901
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I would go to this hobby store where they sold
902
00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:34.800
model kits.
903
00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:38.360
I would, you know, build tanks and soldiers whatever.
904
00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:43.400
But they had these stickers, these large stickers of all
905
00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:48.039
the Justice League, Flash Greenland, and Superman, and I coveted
906
00:51:48.079 --> 00:51:51.280
those stickers. I wanted to shoplift those stickers, but they
907
00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:51.760
were too big.
908
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:53.159
I couldn't fit them into my pants.
909
00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:58.480
But they were so iconic and they so personified the
910
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:01.679
personalities of those character and that was your work. And
911
00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:05.280
to me, if there is someone who's the face of
912
00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:06.199
d C, I think, to.
913
00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:08.320
Me Kurt Swan was like the face of Superman.
914
00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:13.440
But the face of DC artistically has always been your work.
915
00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:16.079
And I just want to thank you, obviously not for
916
00:52:16.599 --> 00:52:18.719
just this award, but what you have contributed to d
917
00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:21.639
C and really defined it in the eyes of millions
918
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of fans all around the world.
919
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So I just want to.
920
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Tell you, as a personal fan, thank you so much.
921
00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:29.039
And it just trips me out that I am here
922
00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:33.000
on the stage getting to present this to you. It
923
00:52:33.039 --> 00:52:35.000
makes all the years of working hard to get to
924
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:39.039
this point worth worth it. So good it might thank
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00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:40.639
you