Chewbacca vs Mr. Freeze - 2026 Summer Tourney

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[SPEAKER_05]: Hey, keep your hands off a thermostat dad tonight, galactic legends collide with Gotham's coldest criminal in a battle that's about to get a little hairy, welcome to another hood when master's summer tournament battle.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I am Sam proof on all the socials and in this episode, representing Lucas Films.
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[SPEAKER_05]: the walking-shag carpet who spent decades riding shotgun through the galaxy, the copilot who puts the fur in furious, it's chew-baka, and representing DC Comics, the scientist who read the pre-show comments on the discord and wants y'all to chill out, the cold-hearted
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[SPEAKER_05]: I wouldn't want a fly solo for this episode, so joining me for this flight is your captain who famously shoots first and did it all for the wookie race to Kness.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That is true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All of it is true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to let you ask me a question Sam proof.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so excited about this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The answer is I do shoot first and ask no questions because I was clearly right to shoot first.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to the summer tournament.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the second match of four somewhat argue right out the gate that this is the losers bracket.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would not make that argument, but some wood and this is the point I'd like to make.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Before we get into some icebreakers with our meeting our debaters, should we just jump into the tail as hey?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well real quick, I just want to say, the summer tournament has been very successful so far.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We've had one match in the books, maybe even one decision has been made by the time we actually put this out there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how time works, I'm basically Dr. Manhattan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everything is happening all at once up and down the timeline for me constantly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: don't worry about that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But tonight we have Chewbacca.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We have the Star Wars Faithful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I did wear my Star Wars shirt for the occasion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is knocked through my support behind a certain character.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't have a Mr. Free shirt and I felt I had to be the Vatican some way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The other side, Mr.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Freeze, who arguably, one of the best if not the best episode of Batman, the animated series, was the one that Paul Dini introduced his backstory.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure Matthew will talk about that when we introduce him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But honestly, like it was so good on the animated series, they just retconned it to be his actual story from that moment forward.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It couldn't be more excited.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, that is the story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is what we've got.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I am ready for the tale of the
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I want to put a quick side note in that I will be doing no Chewbacca Amitations because.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, thank God.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I did one earlier.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I was practicing earlier and I hurt my tongue.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's 50 folks.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I hurt the underside of my tongue pretending to be Chewbacca just for you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's move on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's get, let's make it happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Fair enough.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Tonight, we have another exciting matchup.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We have another exciting matchup in our summer tournament.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's get to know everyone involved.
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[SPEAKER_02]: First off, we have Chewbacca.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Chewbacca is a wookie from the Star Wars universe who fights on the side of the rebels.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's big.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's strong and he's hairy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He carries around the bowcaster.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One of the most potent firearms in the world of Star Wars.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Chewbacca was created by George Lucas and first appeared to the movie Star Wars a new hope back in 1977.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And representing Chewbacca today is one of the most prolific podcasters in the history of the medium.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He has a long time guessed in the world of who would win and has roughly it looks like 72 different ongoing podcasts.
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[SPEAKER_05]: The one and only Delvin Cox experience, Delvin, how do you feel about reping Chewbacca today?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel very good about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, I feel like says, Sam, it's going to check an analysis and not do his Chewbacca impression.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to do his Mr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Freeze, and I will do a chewy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Excellent.
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[SPEAKER_05]: No notes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I just want, I want the whole episode to just be that throughout.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Just, whatever you feel like doing it, can we put that in the soundboard?
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the work.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I will, I'll clip it, I'll add it, and river side will delete it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's just how this program works.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But unfortunately,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I pay the big bucks for.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Riverside.com.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, dot FM.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, don't want to get that wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Delvin, what is your connection with Chewbacca?
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the part I want to know is obviously you love Chewbacca.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're here with him today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I love Star Wars.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My big star was finished.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chewbacca is one of the, you know, when you watched the original Star Wars movies, you see this giant character that's
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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like he should be a main character because he's such an expressive mode of character.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's such an incredible presence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he's just kind of cool, psychic character.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We just all love him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We, he, you're about to interact with him because he's someone who's strong, but also loveable, but you know, can convert a you and a drop of the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Would you feel more comfortable with Chewbacca or Han Solo?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let me ask that question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a great question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like because the way the movies are set up in the comics and stuff are set up, probably solo because they give solo more stories and more moments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you want to go towards the actual character themselves and feed some things that you think they would do, it should be chewy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why chewy has the ability.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, I was expecting a more surface level answer and you really nailed it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to go ahead and move on before I make you look any better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's get to know your opponent, Mr.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Freeze, because Victor Freeze, he was a brilliant scientist who got turned into an ice-based supervillain who's forced to live inside especially made cryosoup to maintain his body at low temperatures.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, he was originally in comics, known as Mr. and Victor has always wielded a freeze gun and been a problem for Batman.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was created by Dave Wood, Sheldon Moldoff, Bob Cain, and Max Hodge, and first appeared as Mr.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Zero, back in Batman number 121, back in 1959.
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[SPEAKER_05]: and reping a character this cold is a guest with ice in his veins, it's mortal verse creator Matthew Dawson, now Matthew you make DC comic based audio dramas, does that give you an advantage in this battle.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What killed the Wookies?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I say!
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I owed it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I owed it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's good.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have actually I've written Mr.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Freeze before so this was really interesting and now I have in preparation for this red so much Mr.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Freeze stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've read everything from when he was Mr.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Zero back in the 50s and 60s to
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[SPEAKER_01]: when he was reinvented by Paul Deeney brilliantly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's such a character that I once like, you know, I liked him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't one of my favorite Batman villains.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't a bane or a joker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But now I love Mr.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Freeze.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's just an incredible character.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I would be reading these comics on like, wait.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm supposed to be like measuring how hard he punches people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just so enthralled by this guy's mission to save his wife.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Love so yeah, hopefully hopefully Chewbacca doesn't want to like stop this poor man from getting a sick wife healthy again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that would be awful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'd want to look for that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do have a question from Matthew Dawson or you might have given it away here through your initial talk, but it seems like you're doing the comic book version and not the auto premenger superior version from the Batman 66 TV show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately not, I did think about, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Arnold Schwarzenegger, of course.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Batman Beyond, actually, has a great version of Mr.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Freeze in a couple episodes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That will universe with Batman, the M.A.A.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's series two, but no, I am going with the classic comic book version.
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[SPEAKER_02]: See, I'm going to say right now, that might be a mistake.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would have gone with Mr.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Freeze from the Arkham City video game on hard mode, because then Delvin needs to come up with at least eight ways to beat you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That would actually be the great idea.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ray I may have something for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I may have something for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's the deal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, let's put that on ice and get into our rules in under a minute.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Here are your rules for who would win master's in one minute.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Number one, there will be three times round with counter points allowed.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Number two, characters will have no prior knowledge of their opponent and no outside interference will be allowed.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Number three, keep the characters in character.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Outliers and crossovers will be given less weight.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Number four, battles can be won by death knockout battlefield removal or incapacitation.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And number five, after the battle, I will give my unofficial opinion as to who wins and why, however, I am just one voice.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It will be up to all of you on our social media and our Patreon to make your voices heard as to who won.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And of course, since this is the summer tournament, it will be Ray and I, giving our decisions.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But again, we are just two voices, and it will still be up to the Patreon to actually make the final decision.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But with that being said, before the show, Delvin, you won the coin toss and will be starting us off.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So three minutes on the clock for your point.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Number one for Chewbaca, starting now, let's just start off with two
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[SPEAKER_00]: because she bought gas, surprisingly, unlike a surprising amount of weapons that he can use in this battle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The first one I want to go with is the Bocaster.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Bocaster, the wookie weapon that he crafted during the Clone Wars era is uses quarrels, which are like these metal projectiles that are covered in plasma energy blasts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and by using positive and negative polarizing energy or balanced in the, at the end of the bowcaster, the corals shoot out and cause so much force by someone shooting it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Only a rookie can actually shoot it properly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you have to have a lot of strength to carry it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, because the corals are in the plasma shot itself, it pretty much works as armor piston rounds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if Mr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Freeze is suit,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Might not even be to take one shot from these things as opposed to like if you get shot in the head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I might immediately kill him because these rounds are powerful because not only is it plasma, it's actual metal that's going into it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's going to be a challenge within itself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of the bow caster, it has a range about 30 meters, which gives chewy plenty of range to kind of pick off frees from the back and from now on from a lone distance, while I having to get close enough out of the deal with the frees gun, the frees gun has a decent amount of range, but I don't think it has as much range as the bow caster, so I would give the bow caster the advantage in terms of like a distance battle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you can use basically essentially grenades like you can use these grenades to attach on the Mr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Freeze and blow up part to the suit or blow up the suit in the self.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you can also use the great grenades as kind of a controlled demolition to blow up ice structures or to blow up the ground like a Mr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Freeze like the freeze to ground a lot and make it slippery.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And to back it can use these grenades to kind of blow those structures up to make room for yourself and kind of even damage the helmet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And also last but not least, Chewbacca has what's called a bend-a-lear and the bend-a-lear is kind of like a essentially utility belt that Chewbacca cares around with him when he does the battle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He can kind of we not only like re-towning like get his equipment back up or stuff like that, get more
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[SPEAKER_00]: grenades or things like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He also can fix his gear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if his bowcaster was to get damaged in 30 seconds remaining.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He has enough equipment to fix the bowcaster and keep going.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If he needs to get more little metal shards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: for his bokeh after the shoe weapons he can kind of build some on the spot there and you know and the thing about you buck is you buck is very resourceful he knows how to work in his environment and make it work towards his advantage and he's also quick and fast thinking so I think a lot of these things will work into buckless favorite in this battle and kind of give a little bit of edge early in this battle for the first round.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All right, strong start for Chewie and his weapons.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Matthew three minutes on the clock for your point number one.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Nope, nope, nope, nope.
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[SPEAKER_05]: No, we're doing counterpoint first.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, counterpoint first.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Bye bye, Ed.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All right, Matthew one minute on the clock for your counterpoint.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We'll do your point later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Delvin said a lot of great things here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love Chewbacca.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is so hard to like go against this guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like everybody hates something about Star Wars.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No one hates Chewbacca.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it sucks that I got tearing down a bit here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You heard him say it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Bocaster is a range of only 30 meters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not very impressive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's 34 yards for us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Americans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I've seen underrated running back David Montgomery go for runs away farther than that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Han shot it properly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So saying that only Wookie's pursuit it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We all saw the Force Awakens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Han shoots the bowcaster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's perfectly fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just, I don't get Chewbacca being this master marksman if he has this crossbow which by all means should be kind of the sharp shooter weapon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He, and I see Delvin already going for the helmet, the glass dome that Mr.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Freeze has.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll talk about it later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Chewbacan never goes for headshots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to run out of time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not going to keep going over like some people.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All right, but you will have time as it is now your point number one, so you can continue your thought or move on to more pressing information three minutes on the clock starting now just finish that point before Chewbacca rarely goes for headshots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He never hits people in the head.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has gone for body shots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never seen him hit a headshot and I watched a lot of Star Wars for this anyway
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[SPEAKER_01]: On to Mr.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Freeze, I want to talk about his IQ and skill.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Firstly, we have to get something out of the way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mr.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Freeze isn't an accurate title.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This man is a doctor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has a PhD.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It should be doctor freeze.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, maybe that just doesn't roll off the tongue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he's humble.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has a brilliant mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was once a science teacher.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's an engineer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He built the cryo chamber that keeps his wife Nora live.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he searches for a cure for deadly disease.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's built all the tech that we're going to talk about in a later point, Mr.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Terrific.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Undeniably, DC's smartest character.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He once said, Mr.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Freezes Tech was at Lex Luthor's level, and even compared it to Tech found on Apocalypse, The New God's Tech.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's an insane fee for IQ on Mr.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Freeze.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is also, quote, master the art of war.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a brilliant strategist in tactician.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's won the only Batman villains that teams up with other villains actively.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he had this great idea of like, hey, let's get kiteman to fly me around the city and I'll just shoot people while I'm flying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's great with this freeze guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's just flying around freezing everyone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, that that boss fight that Ray mentioned in Arkham City, that's accurate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Batman is never able to take down freeze in the same way twice because freeze is constantly upgrading himself to stay on or above Batman's level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's invented ice cannons powerful enough to freeze skyscrapers and entire city blocks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's invented mind-controlled collars.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These were fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He used mind-controlled collars to control the minds of polar bears and use polar bears to fight Batman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it was pretty close to a polar bear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Chubaca, it was pretty bear-like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They got the sounds of Chubaca from a bear-fun fact.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And,
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[SPEAKER_01]: He even built a jet pack that could fly to the sun in seconds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This guy is a genius.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mr.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Freeze is most useful tactic for a fight like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Might just be his control over the battlefield.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has always freezing ceiling, so opponents have to keep track of not only him, but raining, debris, and impaling icicles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is 30 seconds remaining.
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[SPEAKER_01]: is going to start this battle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Chubak is going to be there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First thing freees usually does is freees is the ceiling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wherever they're at, now Chubak has to focus on two things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mr.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Freeze in front of him in an icicle, impaling him in the head.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Chubak doesn't have a helmet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have armor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has a little satchel, whatever delving called it, and that's not anything compared to what Mr.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Freeze is bringing to this fight.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All right, Delvin, one minute on the clock for Chewies counterpoint, watch out for falling icicles starting now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love Mr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Freeze, but also in granted Mr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Freeze is very intelligent, but his intelligence is usually making things off the battlefield, not necessarily on the battlefield.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, what Mr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Freeze is, he has very good control over the environment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But like Matthew was saying, like, you know, he can create things on the wall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If he tried the freeze to top of the ceiling, it's stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tubak is smart enough for resource for enough to shoot the ceiling and the ceiling would just collapse from the freeze as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and in the situation like that, that would probably hurt with the freedom what it would hurt to Baka.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They are both very resourceful characters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chewbac is a little bit more faster and a little bit more quick with it on a battlefield as opposed to Mr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Freeze.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Freeze is smooth, cold, and calculating while Chewbac is more better on his feet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that will give him the better advantage in a one-time first time encounter.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All right, there's a lot of good stuff for point number one.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Radio of any quick thoughts before we.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it's very fascinating.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, sometimes when you see a battle like this, especially among two people who don't do it like 52 times a year or what have you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they often kind of escalate in the same way, but I've seen both of you building your arguments in two very different ways.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that gets me very excited for where we're going forward.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I like to point out that it's a bold assumption to make that there's even a ceiling for icicles to happen that in a neutral location.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if that's so neutral, but maybe we'll see we'll see.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to build Delvin's case for him, but we'll come back and see what happens in point number two after this
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[SPEAKER_05]: Alright, it is time for the point number two's Delvin, you'll start us off three minutes on the clock Starting now My point number two is this The strength of Chibaka
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chewbac is incredibly strong character.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is known for easily lifting and throwing stormtroopers in full armor, breaking out of the straits, and in close quarter quarters combat, he's also known to rip off the arms of not only stormtroopers but droids and things like that, and honestly speaking,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Freeze can't use his gun if he has no arms like it like that's just a fact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this battle gets close quarters at any point in time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chew bucket can rip off his arms and his battles over or even worse got for better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Rip off his head or rip off the helmet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the thing about it is because the way Mr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Freeze looks, he kind of looks like a droid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think Chew he would do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: intentionally thinking it was a like a human, but he would just do it like out of things, they could just rip off his arms and also another interesting machine bucket, Chewbacca has claws, and that's kind of like a, a fact they don't talk about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you have like freezing floor, this stuff like that, he has claws on his feet that gives him the ability to walk one ice as well as you know, because of his fur, he can kind of withhold a lot of those temperatures and things like that as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, look, another point about Chibaki is, despite his size, he's very nimble.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's agile and also out to get to go to the point that was taught about early on in ourselves going to bring up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If this battle is in a closed environment, in a closed quarters and bat environment, I think that works to miss the freezes favor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But because it's a neutral environment, I think there'll be an open combat with a lot more space
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[SPEAKER_00]: And because she barks at the space to maneuver, he has to space to shoot from far.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He has better, I think she bark has better long-range weapons and better close range attack.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Mr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Freeze probably has to advantage in the mid-range, but with the way, but she barks in maneuvers, he has a lot of different ways that he can take out Mr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Freeze, where's Mr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Freeze kind of has not as many because I think his gut is violent, the freeze gut is good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it has quite the range
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if Chewbacca gets in close to Mr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Freeze, I don't think it's going to be over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be a quick battle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chewbacca ripped off his arms and that's the match in a 30 seconds remaining.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's going to be an interesting thing about this fight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is a battle of two different characters, but one has, I think Chewbacca.
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[SPEAKER_00]: has the long-range advantage and the short-range advantage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Mr. Frey, I will concede that Mr. Frey's has that middle-range advantage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he has enough to kind of change the terrain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But like I said, with Chewbacca's weapons, especially the thermo detonators, he can also change the environment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Mr. Frey's freezes the floor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chewbacca just wants to thermo grenade.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Load the floor up.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All right, Massey, you have one minute to counterpoint the arm-rhythm or whatever you wish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One minute on the clock, starting now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't deny how great of a point blow the floor up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just blow the floor up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a great point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But hey, don't let his fur coat confuse you, okay?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Chewie is a fact of I called, uh, cold temperatures.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In Force Awakens, he complains to Han that it's, that he's cold.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they're on star killer base.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, Han and Finn are standing there and they're not even wearing like ear muffs or anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And chewy is complaining that he's cold.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And remind me, was it chewy who went to go and save Luke when he was stranded on Hoth?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, he made his best friend go out in a light jacket in a taunt on to go save Luke while he stayed inside a nice heated rebel base.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the armor, you compare Stormtrooper armor to Mr.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Freeze.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not even comparable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have little joints where, you know, Storm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know why I'm wasting time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Comparing Stormtrooper's armor to Mr.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Freeze is just silly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Chu-baka also exists on fights.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I really want to hear the rest of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is a stressful time for your point number two.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember the clip or chewbaca does a full on like white bow and lands on the ice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let my point number two give me time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I hear a seal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's get right to it then.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, let's do it three minutes on the clock starting now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So in Solo, a StarWord story, they are climbing up the ice mountain, and there's a scene where Chubaka slips and pulls Han Solo down with him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He isn't this invulnerable, you know, isn't affected by ice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who isn't affected by ice, anyway?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let me get to my real point, number two, his tech.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mr.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Freeze is, of course, a tech-based character, and he's most well-known for his freeze gun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a gun that can do just about anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He can use a precise enough to freeze certain parts of his opponent's body or objects, like he'll freeze people's feet to the ground or freeze your hand to disable your trigger finger.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The comics even go to show how this gun works.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It freezes the water in your body instantly, causing it to expand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It bursts blood vessels and capillaries just from hitting you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: being frozen solid can easily kill someone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One of them freezes favorite moves is freezing the guy solid walking up and just shattering them with a kick or a big punch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He can create walls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He can create barriers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You guys are saying, hey, there may not be a ceiling year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He can create a ceiling to put ice on to drop on Chubaka.
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[SPEAKER_01]: he creates these barriers for defense, he can even point it at the ground and shoot ice to like propel himself upwards like a jetpack, like a skyscraper funnel of ice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He can create pillars capable of launching cars into the air.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He also, this is a well-known, freezes, freezes gun is double
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this was interesting because I've recently read a comic that takes place between Empire and return the Jedi where Chewbacca goes to rescue Han in Carbonite.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He goes to face BobaFat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What does Boba that do?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He lights to Baca on fire and Chewbaca just loses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has to be put out by Luke and Leia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Boba that gets away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's so skilled with this weapon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's used it on rooftops.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He sniped cops from rooftops.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's, you know, these are Gotham skyscrapers we're talking about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He uses it to freeze opponents like Batman, Robin, Black Canary, Nightwing, Bane, and even characters powerful as firestorm
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's remaining.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One of his favorite moves is freezing ponet solid and then smashing them into a million pieces.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He even did this to clay face once for just making fun of his wife.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was once falling from the sky and used the gun to create an ice slide for a safe landing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He uses it to create bridges across roof tops.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He can make a freeze gas that can freeze your lungs just by bringing it in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's insane what this guy can do.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All right, one minute on the clock for chewy counterpoint starting now, I will say this as many times the freeze has freezing opponents.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's been plenty of time with those opponents have gotten out of the freeze, including Batman to Joker, Bane, like a lot of characters like get out of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like a thing that's a finite thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very inconsistent to say to
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as great as Mr. Frees is, Frees has some major losses to characters who are not on his level, stress-wise or mentality-wise.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Frees is a character whose books are one single ago and that goal is usually the protection of his wife.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in terms and if it doesn't have to do with that he doesn't have as much interest in the battle as he usually does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And also in terms of the fire gun, that's not a thing that frees uses all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll probably say barely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if it would be a thing that we were plotting this battle to begin with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But even though if he would, we're to try to pull that out like I would say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He would have to have the range to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think he would have the range to go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, good stuff.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Very interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to call out a point of strategy for both of you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Going into the final point, something that I'd like to hear more about.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Delvin Cox, you hinted at it, you didn't go all the way with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You say Mr.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Freeze has lost to people below his own stature, but you didn't tell us who any of those people were.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So all I have to do is say trust me, bro.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to hear some examples of such and Matthew Dawson and maybe it's going to come up in your point number three, but Mr.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Freeze is suit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: His armor is often referred to as power armor, which is a Warhammer player, Warhammer 40,000 player.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to hear more about that as well.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, no, no, it's I had the same thought with with Delvin's major losses, and I was like, what, which ones?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, what are they?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully we'll find those out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can I have a counterpoint?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess.
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[SPEAKER_02]: did we not I just want to make sure I get my second counterpoint look we don't normally do this and yes we blew right past that because Delvin was so mesmerizing but you I guess get a get a counterpoint I guess did I go first you did yeah you didn't go first that was my counterpoint that was 60 seconds what's
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, to be fair, we decided to flip it up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, nobody, no, okay, okay, because the whole line of just got so scramble in my brain is my final point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I didn't plan it that way, but that's what you did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so wait, just for clarification, round two went me point delving counterpoint and that's delving point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, it went.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It went.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It went.
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[SPEAKER_02]: His point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Your counterpoint.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was a counterpoint from him about your point number two.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my gosh, I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just got so scrambled for give me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, here's the deal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everything's just me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was wrong, even though I wrote it down.
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[SPEAKER_05]: No, I have the notes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We are on point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will trust Sam proof from here on out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: His counterpoint was so good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Matthew Dawson needed us to get counterpoint.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This might affect your boat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you're begging for another counterpoint.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, there's more like a Mulligan at this point.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So let's go to, let's go listen to ads and come back.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Alright, we're back.
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[SPEAKER_05]: This is our third and final point with Chewy Delvin Cox starting us off.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Three minutes on the clock.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Starting now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you guys asked for a character that easily beat Mr. Freish who probably is on a level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How about I give you one major one?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Joker.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the comics, in the 90s comics, the Joker beat Mr. Freish.
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[SPEAKER_00]: with a water gun and a joy buzzer like you know that is that is how you beat Mr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Freeze very quickly damage in the suit and one blast and kind of taking them out click like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if we go towards the animated series, not the same character we're talking about, but in the same lane, Batman, Big Mr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Freeze, with chicken noodle soup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's a well-known thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Mr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Freeze is a great character, but Mr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Freeze is fallible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's the thing about his whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's always been the suit has weaknesses.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The suit is also like weak to like electricity and fire and explosions and things like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And once you damage the suit, particularly the helmet, that's usually that's it from the freeze.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So chewy gets a good shot on the helmet or gets a good shot on the part of the suit that functions where delivers the ice and stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is the end of the battle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is there's no more to write about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no more to say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Freeze is powerless at that point and the thing about it is with the bow cast because it's such a powerful weapon Now if it's just shut up regular blast to blast I would take it probably wouldn't damage Mr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Freeze is suit as bad But because it shoots out boats as well as blast of fire It is very possible that knowing it's gonna break the helmet But it's also gonna damage the suit so all it would take is one shot
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[SPEAKER_00]: to damage the suit or break that helmet and that's kind of all she wants to miss the freeze and let me also add this for those who are questioning she we shooting ability.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a scene in the force of wakens it's one of my favorite scenes in the movie where and by this very very controversial scene, sponsored for force of wakens, Kylo Ren Marner's Han Solo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In a fit of rage, Chewbacca shoots from a very far distance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say more than 30 meters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Shoots, Kyle O'Rinn, in the shoulder, injured him in the battle, but people's looking at that scene.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's one part.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But after that happens, he shoots three or four stormtroopers with precision aim and just keeps taking him out doing that battle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are these seconds remaining.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How well of a shot that Chewbacca is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In a long range battle, I don't think Mr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Freeze has a chance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In a close range battle, he definitely doesn't have a chance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His only chance to win these battles is either by manipulating the environment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If we're in an open battlefield, it's going to be a lot harder to do that with one thing when a truly having grenades and a truly being able to just move out of the environment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And just keep moving back to those.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's my point of view.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Strong start.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All right, Matthew Dawson, one minute for your first counterpoint, and then we'll get into your actual point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One minute on the clock, starting now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know how people get out of Mr. Frieza's ice with help.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Usually is Batman and Robin, Robin gets frozen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Batman does something to free him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you had noticed, chewy doesn't have Han in this battle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He can't just ride Han Solo's coat tails like he did throughout the entire saga here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know how they get out with help, which he doesn't have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He had prep time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He knows who freezes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Chupaka doesn't have that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And losing to Batman's greatest villain isn't, you know, horrible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I love that scene in the Force Awakens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But once again, chewy is not hitting headshots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You remember Empire Strikes Back Cloud City?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're all running away, shooting stormtroopers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I counted.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Chewbacca hit half the shots that he fired in that scene.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Leia in a Lando Cal Rizigan, both get more kills in that battle than Chewbacca does.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You think Chew is this great warrior?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why can't he hit a headshot?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why can't he like, he's good at shooting near people and then the explosion taking them out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't, that he doesn't contribute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that, that's my counterpoint.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All right, good counterpoint and straight into your final, your third and final point, three minutes on the clock for Mr.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Freeze, starting now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad everyone's begging to hear about this power suit because I have a whole point dedicated to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mr.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Freeze has upgraded his armor to the point
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[SPEAKER_01]: Red Hood, a very smart tactician, member of the Bat family, once said to trap for him, where he lured freezing, shot him multiple times with pistols.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He had automatic turrets set up in this warehouse, firing at him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These turrets were all pinging.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You could see the bullet deflecting off his helmet off his body off his armor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he planted an explosive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On it, the dome blew up, and Mr.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Freeze was just standing there, like seriously, why are you wasting my time?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, you didn't have a scratch on him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been shot by Bowen arrows.
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[SPEAKER_01]: By, uh, he's been, had battering thrown at him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They all just bounce off his helmet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, acid has been thrown at him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It just,
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[SPEAKER_01]: goes right off, no effect on him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's tanked hits from Batman, catwoman, clayface, and even heavier hitters like the flash, Hawkman, and even Superman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has tanked to hit from Superman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He even froze Superman solid, which I'll be it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He did only freeze him solid for like one second.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you're getting a train coming at you and you're able to stop the train for a second, that's impressive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, the Sue also amplifies his strength.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Freeze is strong enough to punch through metal doors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember the trash compactor scene in a new hope when Chewbacca is helplessly pounding on these doors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mr.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Freeze would just punch through it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He does it all the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He gets Batman into holds that he can't break free of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the suit itself emits a temperature that's so cold that metal around it crumbles and freezes, including weaponry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he also has a pair of like wrist-mounted freeze guns on the armor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So in case he does get disarmed, he isn't disarmed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If Chubakah somehow shoots his gun away, gets in close.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Does the whole, I'm gonna rip your armor off, blah, think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then just freezes, freezes and solid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The second he grabs his arm, it's over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He can punch through brick walls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He'll coat his fists with ice to amplify his punches.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's not slow either.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's move fast enough to dodge bad ranks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's caught him mid-air.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He beat, he beat Batgirl and Robin on a two on one fight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 30 seconds remaining solid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He froze Bane solid and Bane couldn't break free.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say that Bane is arguably on the level or stronger than Chewbaca.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and uh, he couldn't break free, uh, tail in with the court of owls when after freeze, and didn't stand a chance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I just don't think Chewbaca has a chance against the freeze.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, Chew.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bring a coat next side.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All right, Delvin, for your third and final counterpoint, you have one minute on the clock, starting now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad Matthew set that, because I just have to be looking up, characters who broke Mr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Freeze's ice, and he set that hit Matthew set himself, Bane is on the same level as Chewbacca.
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[SPEAKER_00]: paying his broken Mr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Freeze's ice several times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And let me also ask it is, when Chewbacca burrips arms, he's not gonna scream, he's gonna rip him off within seconds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And fortunately for us, Chewbacca is not shooting bullets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is shooting plasma rounds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Laced with metal inside of it, which is quite different than just regular rounds, and also, by the way, he also has grenades, thermal grenades.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Noah's thermo is his heek, something that's going to affect Mr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Freeze, very badly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So all he takes is one of those shots from any of those things, and it's lights out from Mr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Freeze, Game Over Bro, Game Over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, it's really close, it's so good!
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[SPEAKER_00]: I expect nothing less from after you're daughter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I will do not know which direction I am going in this battle as of this moment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have notes, I've taken some, some judges take page after page after page of notes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I take vibe notes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I take notes based on how they make me feel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's going to be good enough today because I think I've got the right decision, but I'm going to need to think about it just a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sam, should we play a certain song?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I definitely am going to need a few minutes myself, so let's, yeah, let's be back after this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Sam is waiting all the points made to figure's medicalization Now let's find out who would win it's time to hear Sam's decision Sorry
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[SPEAKER_05]: All right, before you all have a meltdown, let's get into this, you guys are great.
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[SPEAKER_05]: This is super close for me and I may change my mind halfway through this decision as I go.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But, you know, I think some of the strongest arguments made were, you know, on
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[SPEAKER_05]: penetrate the bulletproof armor, which was a fantastic point, but I guess it's on thin ice when you're dealing with plasma.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Now, I think the real wookie mistake here is that this battle is very possibly, as Eminem would say, you only get the one shot.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And if the wookie can't make that shot from far, and Mr.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Freeze closes into that medium range with Delvin clearly gave up that medium range combat, that's the way the wookie crumbles, damn it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Had that joke, but I'm gonna keep going, so forget about it, look, this is snow laughing matter, but I have to say that I think,
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[SPEAKER_05]: More than hell is gonna have to freeze over.
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[SPEAKER_05]: For Matthew Dawson to hear me say the thing, he wanted me to say to other times, I'm sorry, brother.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm giving this to Delvin Cox and the Wookie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: very interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will never get a Sam's decision.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've just accepted it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It was so close and I wanted to so bad, but I think the plasma argument really was the nail in the caution.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that plasma argument was very, very good, but I will say when I look at all of the points put together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: you know it really does come down to me point number three and I knew it would and basically we have Delvin arguing the power suit of Mr.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Freeze isn't that great and Matthew Dawson arguing the power suit of Mr.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Freeze is actually that great and so if I'm gonna take the points as they were laid out in front of me
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[SPEAKER_02]: I, if I have to choose between a weak suit or a strong suit with Mr.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Freeze, well, based on what I've heard today, that suit seems relatively strong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really do like the argument that, uh, that Chewbacca doesn't hit headshots.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was a very excellent show because I do think that having to hit the bowcaster is this an essential victory condition for Chewbacca.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That being said, as much as I want to say that Mr.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Freeze barely wins this battle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I will say that Mr.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Freeze barely wins this battle because I want to.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's what I'm going to say.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think that there were some very specific victory conditions set up for both of our combatants today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I do think that if it comes down to brass tax, Matthew, you really won me over just barely with Chewbacca's not wearing any armor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But Mr.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Freeze has power armor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I really do think that that does mean you might have not said the word's power armor like I was trying to pimp you into doing, but you said enough to make me see it in my brain.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I will say officially and by like the slimmyster margins, Mr.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Freeze does wins his battle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, this is awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll take that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you why this is awesome because this is truly an episode that has to be decided by the fans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think this one's going to be close.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't been one judge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sitting here now and, you know, I'm like, dang, Delvin, brought it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you, you brought it, Delvin, you did great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You also did fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really, I knew you were going to do fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was a very, I'll just say that much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I could impart anyone, and I read a lot of Mr.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Freeze comics for this, and I just want to impart one recommendation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone, please go read Batman one lab, or one bad day, Mr.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Freeze.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is a one shot story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's about Mr.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Freeze on Christmas and Batman of Robin do something very kind to him and bad things happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: as they've had some fun or poor Mr.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Freeze I've read that book and I'm a big Mr.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Freeze I like I've read that love it's I haven't read it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I need to yeah That's it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well here's the deal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: First off, Mr. Delvin Cox tell us where the people at home can find you And no more please for victory the people will decide it at this point, but work in the people at home find you you can find me
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[SPEAKER_00]: on a delicate experience for if you want something exciting fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Check out the motorbors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm always there, too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Nice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, to talk more about the motorbors.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Go ahead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'll talk about the motorbors.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, some new stuff coming up on the motorbors, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you can find me and my ice castle listening to the motorbors all the dramas.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're very good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that good?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that like a offensive to anyone out there?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think it got good at the end.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we're just a little rage.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We're just standing to view it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Check out Titans Rise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to hear Mr. Free show up and check out future stuff we got going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have just announced the Flash.
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[SPEAKER_01]: audio dramas for our flash fans out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can just say on air that race to gain us and delving talks are both with rising the roles as Batman and Green Lantern in that crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is an exclusive breaking news that I hope you all enjoy very soon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would listen to that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, if you need someone is just do like a one-off line of like, oh my god, is that bad?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will contact you saying, because I think I have something in mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you just sold yourself, Sam proof.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be honest with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sweet.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It seems bad, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Next, there it is.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you guys.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you so much for joining us once again, and good luck to you both.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And we will be back and the results from this will be on a future wrap-up episode.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So you've got some time to go vote.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Join us over on patreon.com slash hood when master is vote on the poll there.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Join us over on the discord from the pinned message there.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And if you think you've got what it takes,
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[SPEAKER_05]: To be in the Challengers' chair, record a one-minute video demo of yourself, send that to Hulu and Masters at chemil.com, and we might see you across from Hulu's Ray, other people, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We'll see you on the show.
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