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At the end of the day, I'm a child of
God, so I'm a child forever, um, first
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and foremost . And so why can't we do
those things that gave us that momentum
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to go to school and, you know, achieve
what we needed to achieve, and make
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friends, and grow, and do these things?
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Why do we have to stop growing because
we hit a number age or we've been in
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our career a certain amount of time?
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Like, who made that rule up?
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Hey, y'all.
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This is Georgianne, and
this is We Should Talk.
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Today, I have a special guest with
me, Natarsha, who I met a couple
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months ago at a hackathon, which I
haven't even been to one in years.
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So Natarsha, tell us a little
bit about who you are and a
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little bit about your background.
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Hi, my name is Natarsha Wright,
and I am, I'm a girl's girl.
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Um, I was gonna start off with a
very professional like, "Oh, this
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is what I do, this is who I help,
and this is our service." But at
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the end of the day, I'm just a girl.
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Um, I'm, I'm just a girl.
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But, um, all jokes aside,
I am a AI strategist.
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Um, I help people, everyday
people cut through the AI noise.
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I help them to build smarter systems
so that they can build with AI, learn
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with AI, and figure out how to adopt
AI in a safe and responsible way.
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Awesome.
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Awesome.
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I love that.
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I love that.
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Before we get into the show for real,
for real, I have a very important
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question to ask you, you know, a
little icebreaker, get us warmed up.
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If you had to choose, right, aliens
are attacking and you had to pick
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your last meal, what would you eat?
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Okay, so my last meal as a contingency-
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I've, my last meal would be Chick-fil-A.
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And it would be a three-count strip meal
with waffle fries and a half and half.
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But-
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Mm-hmm
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…
if Chick-fil-A is closed on a
Sunday, and if it's a Sunday-
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So,
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yeah.
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It's gonna be Mission Barbecue.
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It's gonna be some brisket.
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It's gonna be some mac and cheese.
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It's gonna be some string beans and
some cornbread and a half and half.
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Love it.
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Love it.
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She's like, "The half and half gotta
stay." But depending on the day
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of the week, you know, it's either
Chick-fil-A or Mission Barbecue.
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I love that.
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And depending on my mood, you know,
I'm gonna go with either a medium
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steak with some potat- mashed potatoes
and string beans, or a thin crust
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pizza with pineapples and spinach.
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Don't ask, right?
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I love me some pineapples
on- Wow … the pizza.
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If anybody has a problem, feel
free to, to go stage left, right?
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That's not my- Wow.
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Okay, now I have a question.
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So the potatoes with the steak, is
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white potatoes?
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Mm. You know what?
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Because those red potatoes be hitting.
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It's my last day, I want it all.
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I want a little bit of both.
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Uh, you know what I mean?
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If this is where it ends, I'm
gonna go with a full stomach
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and a happy heart, okay?
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Okay.
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I love, but what's your drink?
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I didn't hear what your drink of choice
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You know what the drink is gonna be?
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Some white cranberry.
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Me and my family, me and my kids, we
take white cranberry real serious, right?
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Like, we buy white cranberry and
it's like you gotta ration that out.
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Like, when you're pouring
the cup, is it at the line?
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You can't even have a drop
more than anybody else.
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So it's gonna have to be a nice
full glass of white cranberry.
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Okay.
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Okay, I'm feeling that.
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It's very delicious, very refreshing.
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I love it.
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Yes.
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Um, so We Should Talk is all about
how I share and I talk to folks about
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how they define freedom and success.
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After years of being an entrepreneur,
of being a content creator, of just
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being a human, and being just a
girl, I'm like, wait a minute, right?
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I hit my 30s and I was
like, wait a minute.
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The way I was taught to look at success
versus how success actually shows
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up in people's lives are so unique.
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Every single person, no matter if they
had a similar career background, a
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similar education background, what success
looks like for them as they live their
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lives, create their families, or just
interact with the world, is so unique
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and different, and I don't think we have
enough stories of how your version of
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success could look truly unique to you.
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So on this show we talk about how, what,
what does freedom actually look like for
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you, and how you've achieved your success.
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So that's what we're gonna
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But to kinda reel it back, let's
talk about when we first met.
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It was International Women's Day, um,
of 2026, and I'm on this line, right?
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I trooped from Brooklyn, and
where did you come from, Natarsha?
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I mean, you came from the Bronx.
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I drove from DC.
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We went to Brooklyn, and she
came from, what did you say?
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Uh, I drove from DC.
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So she drove from DC, I went from the
Bronx to Brooklyn, and if you are from
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New York City you know Bronx to Brooklyn,
that is a once a quarter type trip.
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Um, but DC, right, driving into
Brooklyn, that's, that says like,
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"Okay, what's, what's going on here?
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That's something important." So
I get there, I'm on the line, and
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there's this lady in front of me,
and on her bag is this like, um,
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bandana, and I'm like, "Hmm," a scarf.
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And I'm like, "Hmm, the only people
that have that scarf are people that
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completed the Goldman Sachs 1 Million
Black Women program," and I'm like,
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"I did that program, so maybe…
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Let me ask her." So you know, I'm not
shy, so I ta- I was like, "Hey, did,
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were you a part of the program?" And
so we start chopping it up and I, we
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find out that I was a part of, uh,
cohort six, and what cohort did you do?
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I'm cohort eight.
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Cohort eight.
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Um, so we pretty much took the
same program about a year apart,
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and I was like, "Okay, great."
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And as we started to talk more
and interact, we realized that
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we were doing very similar work.
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We had operations backgrounds, we were
exploring a lot of AI, and we wanna
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help people think and work smarter
and more efficiently, especially
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leveraging AI in the modern day.
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So tell us a little bit about what you
were building that day at the lovable,
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uh, She Builds, um, hackathon in Brooklyn.
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So I was building a AI literacy
and readiness platform,
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and it was, it was crazy.
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I can't believe I built that.
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Uh, I think we were there for maybe
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enough, I end up closing it down.
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So the event was over.
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I d- I can't remember what time
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didn't end up leaving until
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that night.
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Oh, shoot.
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Oh my goodness.
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Because I ha- I had to finish.
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I just had to finish.
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I could not, I could not drive
back home and it wasn't done.
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And I think that, you know, when you're
at a hackathon, buildathon event, it's
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like it's in your head and you just wanna
get it out, and I just had to get it out.
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Mm-hmm.
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And they were still cleaning up when I…
So I was like, "Well, they ain't put me
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out, so let me go ahead and finish." So
I was like, "Oh, let me finish." So I was
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able to finish there, so it was great.
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And I, and I love that, right?
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And everybody's talking about vibe
coding, so if this is your first time
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hearing any of these words, buildathon,
hackathon, vibe coding, is essentially
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an opportunity where you will use coding,
and there's many ways to use code.
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So you could either do no code, which
are like drag and drop solutions.
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You could leverage AI, which is
called vibe coding, where essentially
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you're talking to the AI and it's
building out the code base, right?
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To create a website or an app for you.
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So that's what we were doing.
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So it's like a vibe coding buildathon, and
Lovable is one of the platforms that, um,
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allows you to do this, like kinda talking
to the AI and having it code for you.
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Uh, there are a few other platforms,
but Lovable is one of the top ones.
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And on International Women's Day,
they were giving away, uh, unlimited
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credits for that day, which credits
are the world's fast, world's
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fast in the world of building AI.
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It's like Pac-Man out here, like
they just be eating up your tokens.
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Yeah, yeah.
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You need more tokens.
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Like I gotta go, I gotta
get back in the game.
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So listen, if you got unlimited
tokens, you gonna stay there till
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And so what inspired that?
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Like what made you, um… And real quick,
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So I was building, uh, an evaluation
tool for people that, small
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businesses to figure out how much
money their business was leaking.
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And again, I was shocked that I was able
to build that in four hours, as well
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as like this app that I'm working on.
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It's a little hush-hush.
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I'll tell you about that later.
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Like what made you do that, and why
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And prior to literally, uh,
less than a few weeks from
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that, uh- She built the event.
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I was doing some AI training February,
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coming up as I was doing that training
was, "Wait, I didn't know about AI.
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I didn't know about this." Um, and th-
these were everyday working professionals
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that I was training for, and their local
church had hosted those training series
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for them for the month of February I
started that month doing trainings on,
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you know, everything from AI foundations
to advanced prompt engineering,
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and then I ended it on a panel.
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And one of the… Every- everybody
kept saying the same thing, "Wow,
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I- when can we do this again?
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I, I didn't know about… I
didn't know AI could do this.
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Where can I find more information?
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Where can I learn about it?" And
there was no resources to give them
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at work tailored for everyday people.
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Everything right now in the industry is
for enterprise level people, people who
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are scaling with AI, people who- Mm-hmm
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are, you know, the tech is
like super advanced, right?
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People when they're everyday working
professionals I was working with, they're
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thinking AI is like A- uh, uh, iRobot.
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Right?
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So when they think of AI, they're thinking
that, but they're not seeing it for the
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practical ways that you can use it in your
everyday life, how it can make it more
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efficient or how it can save you time, how
it can give you back hours in your day,
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how it can also help you make more money.
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Like they're, they just
could not grasp that concept.
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They couldn't grasp-
Yeah … that concept.
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And so the church wasn't
offering another training.
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It, you know, it, it just wasn't
even a thing that was on their radar.
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They just was doing it for that month
because it was Black History Month.
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And I was like, "This can't
be the end." Like, this cannot
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be the end of your journey.
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Like, you need to keep learning
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You need to keep feeding your curiosity.
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And I left that event feeling
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And the resources that I provided them
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But I'm like, your local library should
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Mm-hmm.
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And they told you should
let them know you want it.
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And so I just felt convicted because
if the only resource I can give you for
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everyday people to learn about AI is go
to your library, then me as a, just a,
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a, a woman who is a strategist, who loves
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a problem solver, who, uh, identify gaps
and find solutions, for me to not be
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able to find a solution that was tangible
for them just was not enough for me.
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And so, you know, over the course
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"How, what can I do?" And then I
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just kinda unraveled into a lot of
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things that I did not… I, like
my mind couldn't even conceive.
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And so Right after we built our apps,
two weeks later, well, not two weeks,
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10 days later, I actually was able to
pitch that app in front of Amazon AWS.
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Mm. Which is, which is a crazy tri- uh,
a crazy kind of turn of events because
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I was selected to pitch my idea among
hundreds of, you know, applicants.
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I was able to go build out that idea,
build it at Lovable, and then was able
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to go pitch it in front of Amazon, and
I was able to get real-time feedback
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from investors and, um, Amazon and other
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I'm really excited
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Uh, uh, and I love that.
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And something that you said
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You said, "Feed your curiosity,"
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feel like as individuals, as
humans, we're naturally curious.
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That's how we found out a lot of things.
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Like, we would not have fire-
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know, being a little curious.
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And I think in our current world
of work, there's not enough
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opportunities to feed your curiosity.
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You just have to, like, do a thing.
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Um, one thing, I'll just say random
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When I was a kid, I always used to
do Sudoku puzzles or, like, you know,
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color and stuff like that, and I'm
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So what I did the other day, I, I
don't, I don't know what a Sudoku
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is, but I definitely bought me a
cute little coloring book, and I'm
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gonna… And I started coloring.
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Uh, well, I've only colored one page,
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Experiment, play.
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And like you said, once you
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Um, an object in motion
stays in motion, right?
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We've seen that.
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That's why you had to keep going with
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you were at the build-a-thon.
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And if you just cut off the learning,
cut off the curiosity, it's so hard
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to reignite that spark afterwards.
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So what you're building- Mm-hmm … is
essential and is necessary.
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And- What many people may not know
or discuss enough is that with
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learning anything new or just within
AI, what was important and what was
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relevant yesterday is now, like,
a decade old by tomorrow morning.
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And so if they stop off that
learning, the catch-up time is
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twice as much effort, twice as much
action required than anything else
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that we've ever learned before.
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Because no matter how much we learn
or how much we do, AI is always gonna
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be faster than us and smarter than us.
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It's a fact.
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This is a factual thing.
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And so not having those resources
readily available, man, is gonna, is
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creating this gap that we, we don't
even know what it's gonna look like
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and how it's going to transform the
world in the next two, the next year
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much less… I wouldn't, I wouldn't
even wanna say five years to a year.
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In the next year.
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Literally.
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The next five days.
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Um, so have you always been doing this?
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Like, tell us a little bit
about what you did, uh, before
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getting into the work of AI.
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Sure, I would love to.
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But before I do that, I got so excited
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I recently just picked up, uh, coloring
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coloring book a couple months ago.
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But more recently I just, um, ordered Lego
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So I'm, like, really
excited to get back into it.
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Because like you said, the best
analogy attracts things that really
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help your brain take a break but also-
Mm-hmm … challenge your mind was so
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important as a kid, and so I wanted
to figure out how could I bring back
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curiosity, um, into my everyday life
as an adult and what that looks like.
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So I was so excited to see you color.
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Um, so for me, prior to this
I've always been a tech girly.
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But personally for me, not to
train and teach other people,
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you know, AI is not new.
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It's, it's always been
around for a very long time.
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Mm-hmm.
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But how I got on this particular path
of being an AI trainer, AI facilitator a
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consultant is that maybe about a, a year
ago, um, in my, my nine-to-five job, we
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started to have some changes, and one of
the things that they were advocating and
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pushing for is for us to upskill in AI.
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Mm-hmm.
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And so because of that, I started
to see the writings on the wall.
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And because of that, I started to say,
okay, well, for my nine-to-five, my
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profession, how do I want to… Yeah,
you're telling me to learn it, but you're
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not telling me why I need to learn it.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I, I'm a smart girl.
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I know.
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I, I look at the news and I, I read.
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I know why, but as an organization, you're
not telling me, as an organization, why
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do I need to know for my specific role,
especially because I know that there's
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a threat that AI can take my job, right?
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And so if I am learning it, am I
learning it so that it can replace me-
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Mm-hmm … or am I learning it to be
more productive and efficient in my role?
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And so all of that started
to get my wheels to spinning.
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I started to pay more attention in
meetings when they started talking about
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AI because now I'm like, wait a minute,
this is about to take over my job.
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And well, let me learn it so I can see
why it's taking over my job and why AI
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is better than me at what I do be- Oh,
and no matter what we do, nobody could
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do what we can do better than we can.
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Exactly.
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Right?
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And so with AIs, how can I use
it to amplify the work that I do?
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And so I started to reframe my thinking
around AI and stop being fearful of
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it taking my job and replacing me, and
figuring out how could I be such a value
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add and a asset in learning and knowing AI
that I'm gonna be irreplaceable even with-
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So I started to
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take trainings and learn about AI,
but the foundations of it, because
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again, everything is enterprise level,
so I had to go and find training
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that were, uh, specific to my job.
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So I work, um, as a project manager.
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I'm in operations, and I ended
up taking a certification
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program in, uh, AI governance.
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Mm-hmm.
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So because one of the things that was
important to me too was like, is AI safe?
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Yeah.
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Uh, and that, and that, and
that is where I started.
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That was my foundation is understanding
AI and understanding what makes it safe
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and not safe, and what doesn't matter
for my life and what doesn't matter
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for my business and, and my career.
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So I just started to learn the
foundations of it, and I'm still learning.
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Mm-hmm.
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Um, but I think that based on where
I was at that time in my career, I
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needed to make a decision whether I
was gonna sit on the sidelines or if I
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was gonna get in the game, and so I had
to get in the game and, and learn AI.
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And so fast-forward, we got furloughed,
I don't know, it, it probably was
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maybe not, uh, six months after
that, we got furloughed for like
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45 days or something like that, or
almost 45 days we got furloughed.
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When we got furloughed, we weren't getting
paid, and then in my, in my business
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as an entrepreneur, I wasn't, I wasn't,
um, bringing in any money because at the
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time I was working the
9:00 to
5:00 and I
didn't need to work so hard in my- Mm-hmm
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in my, in my business.
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But when I d- had both of my streams
dry up, I said, "Oh no, absolutely
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not. Absolutely not." Because when
one stream is not making money,
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there's always a stream coming in.
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This is why I believe in having
multiple streams of income, because
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you just never know when one stream is
gonna, uh, the unexpected may happen.
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Mm-hmm.
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When that happened, I was like, "Oh my
gosh, I need to future-proof myself,"
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'cause one thing I know how to do is
make money, and I wasn't making no money.
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So I said, "Wait a minute.
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What's going on here?" And so I said,
"Let me figure out what I need to do
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to future-proof my business." So I took
what I was doing, uh, just personally
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trying to build upskill in AI to saying,
"Okay, now I need to build my business
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and future-proof my business too."
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Um, and the AI was just one of the
things that was always top of mind
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for me, and especially because
we're in the AI revolution, right?
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Mm-hmm.
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And I'm seeing how it's transforming
and changing people lives, and
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I was like, "Is this real?" So I
had to figure it out for myself.
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And so as I'm seeing people who are
integrating AI into their entrepreneur
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offers and those who are not- You know,
I hate saying this, that you gonna
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get left behind if you don't adopt.
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Yep.
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But, but baby, we don't have no
choice but to figure out how are we
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gonna apply AI to what we're doing.
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So how can I take my specific
expertise and put AI on top of that?
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So I'm not doing anything new, but what
AI is doing for me is amplifying the work
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that I do, which is completely different
than not, not learning it at all.
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Even if, even if you don't do anything
with the AI knowledge that you're
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learning- Mm-hmm … but at least you're
aware and at least- Yep … you know,
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and I'd rather know than not know.
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I don't like feeling like I'm left
behind, and maybe that's FOMO.
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But, uh, I just really believe that
just knowing, I just have a peace of
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mind knowing what it is and what it's
capable of doing and what's possible.
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So that is kind of a little bit long,
long story made longer about, uh, you
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know, where I was before I got here.
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And, and once I started to go all in
with AI back in November, this is again,
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around the time I got furloughed, is when
things started to take a turn in my, in
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my I, I don't even, I, I, I still can't
believe how quickly things are moving
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now that I decided to prioritize AI as
an entrepreneur and also just really
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figuring out what's gonna be my lane.
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Because there- Mm-hmm … there's a
lot of a, there's a lot of noise here.
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Yep.
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100%. And, and a- it's a lot of noise
here in the AI space, and you can
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get consumed by it if you don't If
you don't laser focus in on figuring
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out what you want your lane to be-
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Mm-hmm
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…
I, I cannot eat the whole AI pie.
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I just cannot.
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I, and I don't want to, but what is the
thing that lights me up is helping people.
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And so how can I use AI to help other
people find the, the time freedom, um,
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that they desire so they, they, so that
they can live a better quality of life?
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Yeah.
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A- a- and I love that, right?
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It's, there's so many different paths,
and within any technology that we've
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ever gotten… Um, I saw a video
the other day that I really liked.
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It was from, um, Rachel Rogers,
and she said, um, you know, when
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people think of AI, right, we've
always had technological advances.
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Does the person using the vacuum,
is that bad compared to the
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00:22:45,137
person that's using the broom?
425
00:22:45,458 -->
00:22:45,652
Right?
426
00:22:45,652 -->
00:22:47,298
Is it more natural to use the broom?
427
00:22:47,312 -->
00:22:48,332
Why don't you use your hand?
428
00:22:48,333 -->
00:22:48,466
Right.
429
00:22:48,471 -->
00:22:50,319
Why don't you, you know,
scrape it up, right?
430
00:22:50,381 -->
00:22:52,632
You know, the, the, the dust feathers.
431
00:22:52,634 -->
00:22:56,400
Like there's… We've had to continuously
evolve alongside the technology
432
00:22:56,402 -->
00:23:01,369
that's here to support us and like
allow us to be stronger, faster, more
433
00:23:01,370 -->
00:23:05,354
efficient, and then get back those
time to be curious and go color and,
434
00:23:05,686 -->
00:23:09,057
um, play Sudoku or build our Lego set.
435
00:23:09,394 -->
00:23:12,388
But what's happening right now is that
there's a big scramble, and within
436
00:23:12,390 -->
00:23:16,775
any new, new change or adoption of
something, there's gonna be a little
437
00:23:16,775 -->
00:23:18,119
bit of like, what should we do?
438
00:23:18,120 -->
00:23:18,906
What should we not do?
439
00:23:18,906 -->
00:23:19,595
What's important?
440
00:23:19,617 -->
00:23:20,626
What's not important?
441
00:23:20,928 -->
00:23:25,427
But staying curious, asking questions,
um, you know, you talked about how
442
00:23:25,427 -->
00:23:28,877
your first thing was going into
AI governance, like is this safe?
443
00:23:28,906 -->
00:23:29,664
Is this secure?
444
00:23:29,665 -->
00:23:33,487
You're asking all the right
questions, but I think so many people,
445
00:23:33,488 -->
00:23:34,736
unfortunately, they're just afraid.
446
00:23:34,736 -->
00:23:36,096
They're like, "I'm gonna,
I don't wanna lose my job.
447
00:23:36,098 -->
00:23:38,683
I'm just gonna, you know, put my head
down, put my head in the sand, and this
448
00:23:38,683 -->
00:23:43,175
will blow over if I say I don't like it."
But that's just not how reality works,
449
00:23:43,297 -->
00:23:47,448
and so it's better to be in the know,
as you stated- Mm-hmm … versus like
450
00:23:47,579 -->
00:23:52,547
being unaware and like other players get
to determine how your existence show up.
451
00:23:53,017 -->
00:23:54,311
But I wanna tag back- Right.
452
00:23:54,311 -->
00:23:55,887
Exactly … I wanna tag
back into something.
453
00:23:55,887 -->
00:23:58,019
You mentioned having
multiple streams of income.
454
00:23:58,019 -->
00:24:00,005
You have your
9:00 to
5:00,
you have your business.
455
00:24:00,627 -->
00:24:03,272
In our modern day, do you
think that everybody should
456
00:24:03,281 -->
00:24:04,779
have how many streams, right?
457
00:24:04,779 -->
00:24:07,237
We hear all on social media all the time,
"You got to have seven streams of income."
458
00:24:07,561 -->
00:24:12,549
But what do you think is like a reasonable
amount that you feel like everyone should
459
00:24:12,561 -->
00:24:14,641
have when it comes to like income streams?
460
00:24:15,534 -->
00:24:20,421
At least, at, at minimum you should have
at least one additional stream of income.
461
00:24:20,893 -->
00:24:23,668
I too used to, uh,
462
00:24:25,810 -->
00:24:26,259
I read-
463
00:24:28,860 -->
00:24:31,606
I'm at a loss for words because
you're absolutely right.
464
00:24:31,616 -->
00:24:35,930
Like, we always hear seven streams of
income, but that's just not realistic.
465
00:24:36,135 -->
00:24:36,388
Mm-hmm.
466
00:24:37,360 -->
00:24:41,366
Just, ah, I've been, I've been trying
to achieve seven streams of income
467
00:24:41,372 -->
00:24:44,270
since, I can't even tell you how long.
468
00:24:44,311 -->
00:24:47,851
It's been decades I've been trying
to achieve seven stra- seven streams.
469
00:24:48,160 -->
00:24:54,029
But the reality of it is, until you can
master one stream, you should not be
470
00:24:54,086 -->
00:24:57,695
adding on any additional streams until
you can get one, and the reason why I
471
00:24:57,705 -->
00:25:04,557
say that is because if I'm trying to do
seven streams, I'm not giving my best
472
00:25:04,557 -->
00:25:08,691
to any of those streams because there
t- there's a lot of work that needs
473
00:25:08,691 -->
00:25:10,711
to happen just to build one stream.
474
00:25:10,945 -->
00:25:11,689
Mm-hmm.
475
00:25:12,080 -->
00:25:17,772
And until I can get to my freedom
number in one stream, I should not
476
00:25:17,787 -->
00:25:20,256
be adding any additional streams.
477
00:25:20,269 -->
00:25:25,716
It's just n- it's, it's no way possible
until you can get that one stream going
478
00:25:25,735 -->
00:25:30,002
where it don't need you anymore, then I
can focus on building the next stream.
479
00:25:30,191 -->
00:25:34,304
And the only way that a person, I
believe, but this is my opinion, the
480
00:25:34,306 -->
00:25:39,206
only way somebody can make seven streams
of income is if they have a team.
481
00:25:39,741 -->
00:25:40,483
100%.
482
00:25:41,013 -->
00:25:42,100
You need a team.
483
00:25:42,129 -->
00:25:48,048
It's no way a solo individual, even with
AI, and you're gonna… We'll hear over
484
00:25:48,048 -->
00:25:52,624
the years, like, people are building,
you know, one-person agencies with AI.
485
00:25:52,902 -->
00:25:52,928
Mm-hmm.
486
00:25:52,928 -->
00:26:00,029
And that's great, but the everyday
person, I'm not willing to, they're
487
00:26:00,029 -->
00:26:04,013
not willing to make, and I'm not
willing to make that kind of sacrifice
488
00:26:04,059 -->
00:26:05,570
to build that kind of business.
489
00:26:05,570 -->
00:26:05,612
Yeah.
490
00:26:05,619 -->
00:26:07,132
And that's the reality of it.
491
00:26:07,670 -->
00:26:07,770
Yeah.
492
00:26:07,770 -->
00:26:07,780
Like,
493
00:26:07,780 -->
00:26:10,218
what are you willing, what
are you willing to give up-
494
00:26:10,411 -->
00:26:10,957
Mm-hmm
495
00:26:10,962 -->
00:26:14,391
…
and sacrifice so that you
can have those seven streams?
496
00:26:14,423 -->
00:26:18,851
And if we're not being honest and asking
ourselves that question, then you're not
497
00:26:18,852 -->
00:26:20,867
gonna be able to even manage one stream.
498
00:26:21,187 -->
00:26:21,808
Mm-hmm.
499
00:26:22,519 -->
00:26:25,580
'
Cause there's a certain level of
discipline that, that a person has to
500
00:26:25,580 -->
00:26:28,438
have to have that many streams of income.
501
00:26:28,536 -->
00:26:30,151
I don't care how much help you got.
502
00:26:32,064 -->
00:26:38,121
There's a discipline that most people
don't even want to do because it's, it
503
00:26:38,121 -->
00:26:39,352
means they have to give up something.
504
00:26:39,353 -->
00:26:40,760
They're gonna have to sacrifice something.
505
00:26:40,762 -->
00:26:45,161
They're gonna not live a certain
quality of life, because it's gonna
506
00:26:45,176 -->
00:26:49,797
require them to be visible and show
up in ways that they don't want to.
507
00:26:50,011 -->
00:26:50,305
Mm-hmm.
508
00:26:50,356 -->
00:26:55,009
So this is, and this is why I say at a
minimum, at least one additional stream,
509
00:26:55,012 -->
00:27:01,753
because you can have one additional stream
of income of passive income And not be
510
00:27:01,755 -->
00:27:03,416
stressed out and burnt out and overwhelmed
511
00:27:04,197 -->
00:27:04,733
Yeah.
512
00:27:04,936 -->
00:27:07,646
I, I, I like that a lot, and
some stuff that you want- you
513
00:27:07,660 -->
00:27:09,106
said that I wanna pull on, right?
514
00:27:09,593 -->
00:27:12,884
People don't realize the, the
level of sacrifice, right?
515
00:27:12,903 -->
00:27:16,806
That's a word that we, you know, we see
in a lot of, like, religious texts or
516
00:27:16,806 -->
00:27:20,224
people say, you know, "I'm sacrificing
this for that." But when you really
517
00:27:20,224 -->
00:27:25,545
gotta sacrifice something, you're
like, "Oh, I, I don't, I don't wanna do
518
00:27:25,547 -->
00:27:29,563
that." And discipline require… There
is no discipline without sacrifice.
519
00:27:29,563 -->
00:27:33,302
You're giving something up, whether
that's your time, your energy, your
520
00:27:33,302 -->
00:27:36,469
f- your, your freedom, you know,
allowing people to disrespect you.
521
00:27:36,476 -->
00:27:40,798
There are so many things, and we, we
minimize that, and I think especially
522
00:27:41,121 -->
00:27:44,505
as, you know, women with people of
color, like, this is… It's just
523
00:27:44,505 -->
00:27:49,204
so h- easy and habitual almost to
do the sacrifice that you think it's
524
00:27:49,204 -->
00:27:50,840
a part of the ingredient, right?
525
00:27:50,844 -->
00:27:53,776
Versus- Yes … you think, "Oh, I
like… Oh, I…" You don't even count
526
00:27:53,781 -->
00:27:57,097
it as sacrifice because you're like,
"Oh, that's expected." But it is a
527
00:27:57,097 -->
00:28:01,043
sacrifice, and you have to say, "Do
I wanna keep giving this thing up,
528
00:28:01,097 -->
00:28:02,726
or do I want this for myself," right?
529
00:28:02,972 -->
00:28:06,148
I said I w- you know, we just both
talked about doing Legos and coloring
530
00:28:06,148 -->
00:28:09,177
and, um, you know, all sorts of
stuff, and somebody might look at
531
00:28:09,178 -->
00:28:10,403
that like, "Oh, you're so frivolous.
532
00:28:10,404 -->
00:28:12,481
You just don't wanna do the
work." Well, guess what?
533
00:28:12,509 -->
00:28:15,480
I do not wanna work on weekends even
though I'm a, I'm a business owner.
534
00:28:15,480 -->
00:28:17,223
I don't wanna work 40 hours a week.
535
00:28:17,270 -->
00:28:19,880
I, I wanna work 20 if possible.
536
00:28:19,993 -->
00:28:22,232
Less than that if, if I'm
being real and honest with you.
537
00:28:22,511 -->
00:28:26,383
I wanna frolic and
chill, uh, and, you know?
538
00:28:26,722 -->
00:28:30,727
And I wanna show up, and when I do show
up, be the best version of myself, the,
539
00:28:30,797 -->
00:28:35,055
you know, killer entrepreneur, straight,
steady, no play around, stiff face- Mm-hmm
540
00:28:35,070 -->
00:28:38,034
get, get the work done, and
then when I'm done, I'm out.
541
00:28:38,074 -->
00:28:41,241
And when I tell… When, when, when
people interact with me outside of work,
542
00:28:41,364 -->
00:28:44,381
they're just like What is happening?
543
00:28:44,381 -->
00:28:45,087
Like, who are you?
544
00:28:45,087 -->
00:28:47,414
And I was like, oh, like that's done.
545
00:28:47,426 -->
00:28:48,197
That's over there.
546
00:28:48,418 -->
00:28:51,859
Where like I gotta make sure that my
money is green and- Correct … that
547
00:28:51,859 -->
00:28:55,553
I don't have to be stressed out
and I'm not anxious all the time.
548
00:28:55,846 -->
00:28:58,781
And that's how, you know, that's kinda
what brought me to this show, 'cause I was
549
00:28:58,785 -->
00:29:02,978
like, what y'all said, right, when you're
growing up, you know, work twice as hard
550
00:29:02,978 -->
00:29:06,176
for half, and do this, and go to school,
and degree, and da, da, da, da, da.
551
00:29:06,628 -->
00:29:10,287
What y'all said was gonna give me
massive success and streams and da, da,
552
00:29:10,288 -->
00:29:13,882
da, da, da, it ain't what it's, it's
not giving what it's supposed to give.
553
00:29:14,020 -->
00:29:14,622
And I do not-
554
00:29:14,668 -->
00:29:18,748
It's not giving, it's not giving, it's
not giving what it's supposed to give.
555
00:29:18,786 -->
00:29:20,709
That, that determined that was a lie.
556
00:29:20,967 -->
00:29:21,238
That
557
00:29:21,246 -->
00:29:22,048
determined- Yeah, yeah.
558
00:29:22,223 -->
00:29:23,493
False accusations.
559
00:29:25,031 -->
00:29:26,952
And I was like, "Uh, how can I opt out?
560
00:29:26,987 -->
00:29:27,217
Out.
561
00:29:27,242 -->
00:29:28,539
I wanna out.
562
00:29:28,580 -->
00:29:31,237
I don't want this no more."
And then I thought, does that
563
00:29:31,237 -->
00:29:32,501
mean I don't want success?
564
00:29:32,501 -->
00:29:34,018
And I had to kinda question that.
565
00:29:34,317 -->
00:29:37,787
And I was like, as I started talking
to people, like doing one-on-one
566
00:29:37,787 -->
00:29:42,274
conversations like we're doing now, I
was like, oh, we all determined it's a
567
00:29:42,275 -->
00:29:45,275
lie, but nobody wanna say that out loud.
568
00:29:45,468 -->
00:29:46,437
Got it.
569
00:29:46,558 -->
00:29:50,194
So we should talk more, and that's
how I came up with the show name.
570
00:29:50,559 -->
00:29:53,482
But it's important to have these
conversations, and I think, you
571
00:29:53,482 -->
00:29:56,960
know, whoever's watching this
out there, right, discipline is
572
00:29:56,960 -->
00:29:58,460
required, sacrifice is required.
573
00:29:58,462 -->
00:29:59,962
These are, these are givens.
574
00:30:00,170 -->
00:30:02,666
But you get to choose
your level of discipline.
575
00:30:02,673 -->
00:30:07,779
You get to choose what you sacrifice and
what you want your outcome to be, right?
576
00:30:07,786 -->
00:30:12,277
Some people, nine to five and maybe
like, you know, selling candies on the
577
00:30:12,277 -->
00:30:15,341
weekend at a farmers market, that's
what they want, and they feel great,
578
00:30:15,342 -->
00:30:16,576
and they can live their best life.
579
00:30:16,786 -->
00:30:17,048
Yeah.
580
00:30:17,048 -->
00:30:19,540
What is your … And I like what
you said, the freedom number.
581
00:30:19,789 -->
00:30:23,588
So talk to us a little bit about what is,
what is a freedom number if, uh, for folks
582
00:30:23,607 -->
00:30:25,012
that have never heard of this before?
583
00:30:25,012 -->
00:30:26,112
Like, what does, what does that mean?
584
00:30:27,286 -->
00:30:34,705
A freedom number is your monetary value on
which you feel like you don't have to work
585
00:30:35,073 -->
00:30:39,766
as hard anymore to achieve that level of
success that you're, you're reaching for.
586
00:30:39,766 -->
00:30:46,807
So let's say, for example, my freedom
number is, is low right now because it
587
00:30:46,809 -->
00:30:48,541
seems like it's out of reach for me.
588
00:30:48,551 -->
00:30:51,843
So right now in this season, my
freedom number is $1 million.
589
00:30:53,145 -->
00:30:53,607
Okay.
590
00:30:53,657 -->
00:30:58,312
$1 million is my freedom number
because even though right now it
591
00:30:58,312 -->
00:31:01,818
seem out of reach, a million dollars
is actually really easy to make.
592
00:31:02,457 -->
00:31:06,321
It's easy to make because I've helped
other people make a million dollars.
593
00:31:06,385 -->
00:31:10,173
And because I've seen how I'm able
to help them make a million dollars,
594
00:31:10,218 -->
00:31:13,545
I was like, wait, I need to m-
I need to make that for myself.
595
00:31:14,049 -->
00:31:22,030
And so but they were willing to sacrifice
a lot of stuff to get there, and this is
596
00:31:22,106 -->
00:31:27,242
why I'm like, I don't know if I'm really
ready to make a million dollars because
597
00:31:28,574 -->
00:31:33,377
I, I really don't know if I really wanna
give up all that, my freedom Fair enough.
598
00:31:33,857 -->
00:31:34,165
Fair
599
00:31:34,166 -->
00:31:37,476
enough And that's, and that's why I
say my, that's the freedom number.
600
00:31:37,476 -->
00:31:41,189
Like, am I r- what freedoms
am I willing to give up-
601
00:31:41,650 -->
00:31:42,226
Mm-hmm
602
00:31:42,705 -->
00:31:44,105
…
to have this level of success?
603
00:31:44,132 -->
00:31:49,553
And so, you know, I go back and forth, and
that, that million dollars came from being
604
00:31:49,553 -->
00:31:55,328
in a program that we were in, and it, that
was the bare minimum that they gave us.
605
00:31:55,333 -->
00:32:01,222
My business advisor, when I told her
my, my number was too low, "Oh, if I
606
00:32:01,222 -->
00:32:07,550
can make $250,000, I'm good" She was
like, "Okay, so a million dollars.
607
00:32:07,569 -->
00:32:09,390
Got it." And I was like, "What?"
608
00:32:12,210 -->
00:32:13,062
You kidding me?
609
00:32:13,119 -->
00:32:16,818
I was like, "No way." And she was
like, "Yeah, you can make a million
610
00:32:16,818 -->
00:32:22,247
dollars." And it was a mindset, and
I, I think this is true of myself,
611
00:32:22,254 -->
00:32:25,935
but also true of a lot of clients that
I coach, is that once we're able to
612
00:32:25,936 -->
00:32:32,437
get over the mindset blocks that we
have around money and making money-
613
00:32:32,707 -->
00:32:33,485
Mm-hmm
614
00:32:33,485 -->
00:32:35,822
it's easy to make money.
615
00:32:37,238 -->
00:32:37,668
Yeah.
616
00:32:38,200 -->
00:32:42,075
I keep hearing that, and it's
like I, um… And I, and I will
617
00:32:42,076 -->
00:32:43,610
be honest too and transparent.
618
00:32:43,633 -->
00:32:46,974
When I would hear people say that,
and it's like, "No, it's not. We
619
00:32:46,974 -->
00:32:51,103
gotta do all this work. We gotta do
stuff." And, and I decided, you know,
620
00:32:51,121 -->
00:32:52,817
let's, let's sprinkle a little delulu.
621
00:32:53,120 -->
00:32:57,205
If so many people are saying this, and
these people that are saying this have
622
00:32:57,205 -->
00:32:59,788
actually done it, I'ma shoot my shot.
623
00:32:59,863 -->
00:33:00,485
I'ma listen.
624
00:33:00,540 -->
00:33:04,522
I'ma just, for the shits and giggles,
and if I'm wrong and it don't work
625
00:33:04,524 -->
00:33:07,798
out, I can go back to them and be like,
"You lied to me." But- Yeah … at
626
00:33:07,798 -->
00:33:11,597
least let me try this way, because
the way that I thought was the way
627
00:33:11,597 -->
00:33:14,151
to go is giving me sleepless nights.
628
00:33:14,337 -->
00:33:15,234
I'm tired.
629
00:33:15,605 -->
00:33:17,462
M- the, the, the ends are not meeting.
630
00:33:17,462 -->
00:33:21,360
The ends is this far apart
and refuse to budge, so let me
631
00:33:21,360 -->
00:33:22,789
try something else, you know?
632
00:33:22,833 -->
00:33:24,389
Let's, let's experiment with this, right?
633
00:33:24,391 -->
00:33:27,962
And that's tapping back into that
curiosity that we mentioned, which
634
00:33:28,024 -->
00:33:33,797
it's so easy to, to give up and deem,
like, having that curiosity, be willing
635
00:33:33,798 -->
00:33:38,508
to explore, like deem that childlike
activities where at the end of the
636
00:33:38,510 -->
00:33:42,653
day, I'm a child of God, so I'm a
child forever, um, first and foremost.
637
00:33:42,976 -->
00:33:47,241
And so- Exactly … why can't we do
those things that gave us that momentum
638
00:33:47,242 -->
00:33:51,324
to go to school and, you know, achieve
what we needed to achieve, and make
639
00:33:51,331 -->
00:33:53,937
friends, and grow, and do these things?
640
00:33:54,132 -->
00:33:58,242
Why do we have to stop growing because
we hit a number age or we've been in
641
00:33:58,242 -->
00:33:59,811
our career a certain amount of time?
642
00:33:59,826 -->
00:34:01,741
Like, who made that rule up?
643
00:34:02,197 -->
00:34:06,483
Is that even a rule, or is that something
that we put on ourselves based on what
644
00:34:06,543 -->
00:34:08,268
everybody else looks like they're doing?
645
00:34:08,445 -->
00:34:10,333
I can't watch cartoons
because that's for kids.
646
00:34:10,355 -->
00:34:13,235
Where, where in the bio did that
say only kids could watch this?
647
00:34:13,263 -->
00:34:14,844
It say starting at age four.
648
00:34:15,505 -->
00:34:16,565
It don't matter if you're 40.
649
00:34:16,565 -->
00:34:16,643
It,
650
00:34:16,643 -->
00:34:18,384
it don't have no ending age.
651
00:34:18,563 -->
00:34:19,629
It don't have no ending age.
652
00:34:19,648 -->
00:34:22,074
Four plus, they give the
minimums 13 and over.
653
00:34:22,078 -->
00:34:22,846
I'm over that.
654
00:34:22,918 -->
00:34:23,438
I'm good.
655
00:34:23,755 -->
00:34:25,589
I'm, I've met the minimum requirement.
656
00:34:25,810 -->
00:34:29,001
But I think we count ourselves out
of opportunities that will allow
657
00:34:29,002 -->
00:34:30,969
us to really stretch as humans.
658
00:34:31,337 -->
00:34:35,493
And to tie it back into the beginning
of the conversation within AI, right?
659
00:34:35,550 -->
00:34:39,591
AI is getting a lot of those tasks,
those redundancies off of our plate,
660
00:34:39,900 -->
00:34:42,567
and what's happening is that we have
these things called idle space that,
661
00:34:42,567 -->
00:34:43,788
you know, you, you know about this.
662
00:34:43,797 -->
00:34:47,091
And so now when we spent eight
hours doing a task at work,
663
00:34:47,560 -->
00:34:48,895
maybe that's now four hours.
664
00:34:48,931 -->
00:34:50,866
What do we do with that
additional four hours?
665
00:34:51,168 -->
00:34:55,129
And is it Is it not working
if you choose to build a Lego
666
00:34:55,161 -->
00:34:56,433
set for those next four hours?
667
00:34:56,649 -->
00:34:59,810
Or are you stretching your
mind in a different way, right?
668
00:34:59,810 -->
00:35:02,620
And then that's, that's the
question I think is gonna be
669
00:35:02,620 -->
00:35:03,702
hitting in the next phase.
670
00:35:04,100 -->
00:35:07,305
AI's giving us back time, do
we now just, like, do two days
671
00:35:07,305 -->
00:35:08,935
of work, of work in one day?
672
00:35:08,937 -->
00:35:13,272
And now instead of working, you know,
five days a week, if we're working two
673
00:35:13,274 -->
00:35:15,497
days in one day, we just worked 10 days.
674
00:35:15,701 -->
00:35:18,602
And we're not realizing that our
brain doesn't have time to rest, to
675
00:35:18,602 -->
00:35:21,886
recoup, because we're trying to keep
up with this technology, and that's
676
00:35:21,886 -->
00:35:23,252
not how we are built as humans.
677
00:35:23,497 -->
00:35:26,490
That's not how we are meant
to operate within this system.
678
00:35:26,743 -->
00:35:30,272
We are supposed to work with the AI,
get work done in four hours, and then
679
00:35:30,484 -->
00:35:36,048
spend time, you know, expanding our
mind, experimenting, being curious,
680
00:35:36,064 -->
00:35:39,877
so that when we get into the next day
of new problems and new solutions,
681
00:35:40,076 -->
00:35:43,286
we can actually think of something
that's not just, boom, you know, we're
682
00:35:43,286 -->
00:35:44,933
not exhausted, we're not depleted.
683
00:35:45,247 -->
00:35:48,868
And I don't think enough people are
having a conversation about that, right?
684
00:35:48,868 -->
00:35:50,497
Like, what, what are
you seeing on your side?
685
00:35:52,274 -->
00:35:52,743
Same.
686
00:35:52,743 -->
00:35:52,754
Same.
687
00:35:52,935 -->
00:35:53,995
The same thing.
688
00:35:54,410 -->
00:35:59,440
Is I, I, I have nothing to add to
this because this is 1,000% accurate.
689
00:35:59,482 -->
00:36:01,989
It's the same conversations
I'm hearing too.
690
00:36:02,886 -->
00:36:06,732
Yeah, and so I think, you know, as… I
hope somebody's watching this and they're
691
00:36:06,732 -->
00:36:08,426
like, the, the, the light bulb goes off.
692
00:36:08,446 -->
00:36:12,274
We have to now, the next phase of,
like, AI integration is like how do we
693
00:36:12,276 -->
00:36:16,881
manage the, the, the ba- the benefits
and the gains from AI to define, and
694
00:36:16,881 -->
00:36:21,098
then how do we redefine what freedom
and success looks like as we leverage
695
00:36:21,149 -->
00:36:23,307
AI, as we leverage tech in our workflow?
696
00:36:23,690 -->
00:36:27,504
Um, I've been having a wonderful
conversation, but we have to wrap up.
697
00:36:27,558 -->
00:36:29,332
We're gonna wind down a little bit now.
698
00:36:29,640 -->
00:36:35,353
Um, I wanna ask you some final,
like, quick questions, right?
699
00:36:35,461 -->
00:36:37,366
Should everybody use AI?
700
00:36:37,685 -->
00:36:38,678
Like, yes or no questions.
701
00:36:38,687 -->
00:36:39,989
Quick, ra- rapid fire.
702
00:36:40,712 -->
00:36:41,154
No.
703
00:36:41,629 -->
00:36:41,989
No.
704
00:36:41,998 -->
00:36:42,593
Why not?
705
00:36:44,504 -->
00:36:46,917
Because you don't need
to use AI for everything.
706
00:36:47,230 -->
00:36:48,763
Mm, yes.
707
00:36:48,797 -->
00:36:49,102
I like that
708
00:36:51,825 -->
00:36:56,064
Uh, if you're using AI, do you still need
to know how to do that thing manually?
709
00:36:57,051 -->
00:36:57,837
Yes.
710
00:36:59,194 -->
00:36:59,837
Thank you.
711
00:36:59,930 -->
00:37:00,370
Why?
712
00:37:00,388 -->
00:37:01,058
Yes.
713
00:37:01,211 -->
00:37:01,812
Yes.
714
00:37:02,216 -->
00:37:03,567
You need to know.
715
00:37:03,580 -->
00:37:04,671
This is crazy.
716
00:37:04,683 -->
00:37:08,482
The fact that you would not know
is, is wild to me, and the reason
717
00:37:08,482 -->
00:37:09,747
is because you need to know.
718
00:37:09,823 -->
00:37:14,158
There is no, like, magical
answer as to this is gonna help
719
00:37:14,459 -->
00:37:15,667
you or it won't make it better.
720
00:37:16,173 -->
00:37:20,615
Everything that you do, before
you… I think back to my oper-
721
00:37:20,656 -->
00:37:22,486
um, so my operations background.
722
00:37:22,486 -->
00:37:24,429
I know you said quick, but
I, I have to explain this.
723
00:37:24,430 -->
00:37:24,917
No, no, you got
724
00:37:24,919 -->
00:37:25,048
it.
725
00:37:25,048 -->
00:37:25,531
Go ahead.
726
00:37:26,618 -->
00:37:31,515
In operations, when we're managing
workflows in a day-to-day operations
727
00:37:31,515 -->
00:37:38,002
of how things should go, I can't
create a SOP on how to, how
728
00:37:38,002 -->
00:37:41,133
somebody should do something
unless I know how to do the role.
729
00:37:41,160 -->
00:37:45,493
In order for me to tell someone
else how to do it, if I'm a C-
730
00:37:45,511 -->
00:37:47,153
I'm a CEO and I'm a founder.
731
00:37:47,153 -->
00:37:52,359
So as a CEO and founder, before I
can hire my first hire, before I can
732
00:37:52,366 -->
00:37:56,852
hire my next hire, I need to know how
everything runs in my company so that
733
00:37:56,894 -->
00:38:02,486
I can train my people to come in and
operate like I would so we can have
734
00:38:02,488 -->
00:38:05,991
the same, uh, values, same work ethics.
735
00:38:06,348 -->
00:38:09,584
You have the same heart and
drive behind what I do because it
736
00:38:09,584 -->
00:38:11,252
matters to me, it matters to you.
737
00:38:11,564 -->
00:38:16,392
But if you don't see it how it matters to
me, you're not, I'm not gonna be able to
738
00:38:16,395 -->
00:38:20,046
get a team to buy into anything that I'm
doing if I can't show them the vision.
739
00:38:20,689 -->
00:38:20,830
Exactly.
740
00:38:20,830 -->
00:38:26,810
And if, and if I as a leader and a
founder cannot understand how things
741
00:38:26,810 -->
00:38:30,636
work in my business, I should not be
doing that thing in a business at all.
742
00:38:30,999 -->
00:38:37,843
Like, I shouldn't be the CEO and founder
of- You know, whatever, whatever thing, if
743
00:38:37,855 -->
00:38:40,228
I don't know how it, it runs and operates.
744
00:38:40,846 -->
00:38:42,370
I can't explain it to anybody.
745
00:38:42,371 -->
00:38:45,640
Why should you buy into anything that
I'm doing if I can't explain it to you?
746
00:38:46,078 -->
00:38:46,095
Mm-hmm.
747
00:38:46,095 -->
00:38:50,053
So this is why I say that
you should at least know.
748
00:38:50,720 -->
00:38:50,731
Yep.
749
00:38:50,731 -->
00:38:53,896
Like, and, and that's why I
say everybody shouldn't use AI.
750
00:38:54,339 -->
00:38:58,627
Everybody don't need to use AI because
they don't understand how it applies
751
00:38:58,627 -->
00:38:59,893
to whatever it is they're doing.
752
00:39:00,130 -->
00:39:03,296
Am I using AI to buy back time?
753
00:39:03,671 -->
00:39:08,579
Am I using it to replace tasks so
that I can use that time to go build
754
00:39:08,581 -->
00:39:13,080
something else or spend time with my
kids, or spend time with my significant
755
00:39:13,142 -->
00:39:15,293
other so that I can travel the world?
756
00:39:15,620 -->
00:39:20,122
You have to understand why you want to
use AI before you use it, not because
757
00:39:20,153 -->
00:39:24,625
everybody else says you need to use it,
or because they're making us feel like
758
00:39:24,625 -->
00:39:26,564
we're left behind if we don't adopt it.
759
00:39:27,502 -->
00:39:27,740
Mm-hmm.
760
00:39:27,740 -->
00:39:32,192
It, it… There are so many companies
right now, and I know this because
761
00:39:32,525 -->
00:39:36,630
talking to founders is they're spending
all this money on these AI tools-
762
00:39:36,836 -->
00:39:37,073
Mm-hmm
763
00:39:37,965 -->
00:39:42,546
without doing a proper
assessment of how can AI help me?
764
00:39:42,937 -->
00:39:43,457
Mm-hmm.
765
00:39:44,364 -->
00:39:47,115
And if you don't know, you're gonna
spend your money on all these tools,
766
00:39:47,115 -->
00:39:48,031
and guess what's gonna happen?
767
00:39:48,040 -->
00:39:51,639
You're not using the tools because
you got, you're overwhelmed, and now
768
00:39:51,641 -->
00:39:54,608
you're spending all of this money
and you're in these subscriptions,
769
00:39:55,597 -->
00:39:58,237
and you gonna have to come and
770
00:40:00,316 -->
00:40:02,152
you gonna have to come
to us so we can fix it.
771
00:40:03,062 -->
00:40:03,600
Legit.
772
00:40:03,608 -->
00:40:04,105
Legit.
773
00:40:04,117 -->
00:40:05,894
It's like, it's a never ending cycle.
774
00:40:05,896 -->
00:40:08,131
And you know, again, I feel like
you're preaching to the choir, like
775
00:40:08,131 -->
00:40:09,573
you're literally speaking my language.
776
00:40:09,885 -->
00:40:14,114
And people, when you say this to people,
like, slow down, think, find your why.
777
00:40:14,130 -->
00:40:16,624
Like, figure you, you
gotta have the base, right?
778
00:40:16,624 -->
00:40:17,685
We call it human in the loop.
779
00:40:17,720 -->
00:40:21,940
It starts with a human, AI and tech in
the middle, and then ends with a human,
780
00:40:21,961 -->
00:40:23,599
and people are not doing that, right?
781
00:40:23,601 -->
00:40:27,942
If we outsource our critical
thinking, right, one, we have less
782
00:40:27,948 -->
00:40:30,426
critical thinking to work with in
the future, and we never stretch
783
00:40:30,426 -->
00:40:31,991
that muscle, and it's gonna atrophy.
784
00:40:31,991 -->
00:40:35,486
And then when you're in a compromising
situ- s- uh, situation, AI can't
785
00:40:35,501 -->
00:40:38,180
help you figure out if you're in
a savanna how to run from a lion.
786
00:40:38,207 -->
00:40:40,805
If you start, "Oh, how do I
run fast? Do I have to climb a
787
00:40:40,805 -->
00:40:42,483
tree?" You're screwed, my friend.
788
00:40:42,690 -->
00:40:45,997
And so you need to know the basics still.
789
00:40:46,032 -->
00:40:50,622
Um, the last final rapid fire
question is should kids use AI?
790
00:40:50,640 -->
00:40:52,728
And I know it may not be fa- uh, rapid.
791
00:40:53,782 -->
00:40:54,893
Should kids use AI?
792
00:40:55,779 -->
00:40:57,440
Oh, this is tough.
793
00:40:58,045 -->
00:41:01,956
The reason why it's tough is
it, the same applies for adults.
794
00:41:02,214 -->
00:41:02,718
Mm-hmm.
795
00:41:02,730 -->
00:41:05,035
It just depends on the situation.
796
00:41:05,185 -->
00:41:07,645
I, I just, it's, it's gonna vary.
797
00:41:07,649 -->
00:41:11,680
Like, uh- Results may vary.
798
00:41:13,849 -->
00:41:15,048
Results may vary.
799
00:41:15,209 -->
00:41:17,434
Uh, they're using it now.
800
00:41:17,717 -->
00:41:17,809
Mm-hmm.
801
00:41:17,809 -->
00:41:21,513
I mean, from the time they come
out of the wombs and a parent gives
802
00:41:21,514 -->
00:41:24,333
a kid a tablet, they're using AI.
803
00:41:25,047 -->
00:41:25,616
Mm-hmm.
804
00:41:26,188 -->
00:41:27,515
So should they use it?
805
00:41:27,736 -->
00:41:32,651
It, you know, is up for debate, and that's
the, a debate I don't wanna be a part of.
806
00:41:32,997 -->
00:41:33,717
Uh, fair enough.
807
00:41:33,724 -->
00:41:34,029
Fair enough.
808
00:41:34,076 -->
00:41:40,658
I, I'll say sh- I would say kids should
learn it and learn how to properly use it,
809
00:41:40,658 -->
00:41:42,398
like how you started with AI governance.
810
00:41:42,405 -->
00:41:42,415
Yes.
811
00:41:42,787 -->
00:41:44,975
And they should still
learn the basics, right?
812
00:41:44,976 -->
00:41:45,000
Yes.
813
00:41:45,170 -->
00:41:48,391
And the reason why I asked the ba- should
the people learn the basics question, I
814
00:41:48,392 -->
00:41:52,200
was doing a training the other day, and
one of the people, manager level, you
815
00:41:52,201 -->
00:41:56,422
know, no shade, she asked, she said, "Do
we, why do we need to still learn the
816
00:41:56,424 -->
00:41:59,931
basics if you just showed me how AI could
create this Google Doc in two minutes?"
817
00:41:59,949 -->
00:42:04,181
And I was like, "Well, you knowing the
basics will allow you to say, this is a
818
00:42:04,182 -->
00:42:07,527
good Google Doc, or this is a bad Google
Doc." And if you can't direct the AI,
819
00:42:07,531 -->
00:42:11,017
if you can't manage it, then it's gonna
spit out whatever you want, and that
820
00:42:11,017 -->
00:42:12,638
does not mean it's right and credible.
821
00:42:12,662 -->
00:42:14,578
You have a result, but
is it a good result?
822
00:42:14,667 -->
00:42:15,554
What does good look like?
823
00:42:15,573 -->
00:42:16,619
What does success look like?
824
00:42:16,858 -->
00:42:21,101
And that variance in our personal
lives also translates into the work
825
00:42:21,101 -->
00:42:22,361
that we do in our professional lives.
826
00:42:22,361 -->
00:42:26,632
And if you don't know what you
want, what you think is good, what
827
00:42:26,632 -->
00:42:30,346
your company standardized as good,
whatever that output is, it's
828
00:42:30,374 -->
00:42:31,969
gonna be bad and you will be fired.
829
00:42:32,175 -->
00:42:35,099
Um, it don't matter if it did it in
two seconds or not, if you don't know
830
00:42:35,099 -->
00:42:39,878
how to quality assure it or check it
or, you know, s- put it up to your
831
00:42:39,879 -->
00:42:42,231
standard, you're, you're screwed over.
832
00:42:42,455 -->
00:42:44,277
Um, any final
833
00:42:44,281 -->
00:42:44,513
thoughts
834
00:42:44,522 -->
00:42:44,872
on that?
835
00:42:44,872 -->
00:42:45,361
And just because- Yeah, go ahead.
836
00:42:45,362 -->
00:42:45,672
Go ahead.
837
00:42:46,203 -->
00:42:46,818
I'm sorry.
838
00:42:46,834 -->
00:42:49,283
Just to piggyback on what you
were saying, and just because
839
00:42:49,300 -->
00:42:51,115
it can doesn't mean it should.
840
00:42:51,298 -->
00:42:51,725
Mm.
841
00:42:51,747 -->
00:42:58,930
Just because AI can do it and you see what
is possible doesn't mean that it should.
842
00:42:58,950 -->
00:43:02,769
It doesn't even apply to your
situation, so here we go forcing AI
843
00:43:02,786 -->
00:43:07,742
to operate- There are ways that…
We all, it don't take all of that.
844
00:43:08,080 -->
00:43:08,883
It don't take all of that
845
00:43:10,344 -->
00:43:10,623
Yeah,
846
00:43:10,623 -->
00:43:11,603
yeah It don't take all of that
847
00:43:12,467 -->
00:43:12,794
Uh-huh.
848
00:43:12,795 -->
00:43:13,922
It don't take all of that.
849
00:43:13,922 -->
00:43:14,577
Oh, yeah.
850
00:43:15,029 -->
00:43:15,962
It don't take all of that.
851
00:43:15,963 -->
00:43:16,639
I like that.
852
00:43:16,999 -->
00:43:20,204
Um, so thank you so much for being
here with me today, Natarsha.
853
00:43:20,511 -->
00:43:22,843
Any final words of advice?
854
00:43:22,865 -->
00:43:24,087
Again, back to the aliens.
855
00:43:24,087 -->
00:43:26,485
The aliens are about to take
you alone off this planet.
856
00:43:26,637 -->
00:43:28,896
What is your final words to human society?
857
00:43:28,897 -->
00:43:32,157
It will be broadcasted on every
TV, phone, website, everything.
858
00:43:32,157 -->
00:43:33,859
What, what you saying last to the people?
859
00:43:34,771 -->
00:43:36,309
Feed your curiosity.
860
00:43:36,570 -->
00:43:39,997
Mm. I would drop the mic,
but I don't wanna break it.
861
00:43:40,236 -->
00:43:42,522
Um, but me- metaphorically
just dropped the mic.
862
00:43:44,456 -->
00:43:46,968
Thank you so much, Natarsha,
for being here with us.
863
00:43:47,055 -->
00:43:49,912
Um, if you watched this episode
and you really enjoyed it, make
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00:43:49,912 -->
00:43:51,403
sure you subscribe to my channel.
865
00:43:51,578 -->
00:43:54,528
I'm gonna include some in- information
for you to follow and check out
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00:43:54,530 -->
00:43:57,765
Natarsha's work, so make sure you
go and check that out as well.
867
00:43:58,071 -->
00:44:01,353
Um, we'll see you in another episode
of We Should Talk, because we have
868
00:44:01,353 -->
00:44:05,107
important conversations about what
does freedom and success and living
869
00:44:05,107 -->
00:44:09,658
your best, most happiest, healthiest,
wealthiest lives could look like.
870
00:44:09,669 -->
00:44:12,359
So thank you so much, Natarsha,
and I will talk to you again soon.
871
00:44:13,531 -->
00:44:14,031
Thank you.
872
00:44:14,044 -->
00:44:15,229
Thanks for having me.
873
00:44:15,496 -->
00:44:15,909
Take care.
874
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00:44:16,441
Bye.
875
00:44:16,473 -->
00:44:16,695
You're welcome.
876
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Bye.
