Two WARRIORS : One Mission

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Welcome to the Warrior Legacy Network, where we cut through the noise and talk
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about what really happens when the uniform comes off.
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This is about veterans guiding veterans and great Americans who stand beside
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us, sharing lessons learned, mistakes made, and victories earned.
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So the next generation doesn't have to figure it out alone.
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The mission doesn't end with your DD-214, it just changes.
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All right. Hello, Warriors. Very exciting podcast episode today because we get
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to introduce our co-host, the one and only my brother, truly from another mother,
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Lieutenant Colonel Oliver Stolle. Ollie, how are you doing?
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I'm doing good. Ready to get this adventure going. Definitely new to this.
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I usually am a guy behind the scenes, but making a change.
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Going to step out in front of the camera and it's all in the name of helping
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our brothers and sisters and helping guide in the next generation.
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I love it. Well, before we start talking about the next generation,
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let's talk about our generation and kind of how this whole thing started.
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So Ali, go back to how the two of us met.
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Well, I don't know if that's legal, but hopefully there are no statutes that
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we're going to cross here.
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So there I was, right? All great stories start.
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Exactly. All great stories start. It wasn't knee-deep in blood and guts,
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but I think knee-deep in penalties and lots of hockey tape and lots of smack talking, right?
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So Cincinnati amateur hockey players at Northland Ice Center,
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both two kids trying to show that they had something to give to the team.
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That may have been suspect to a couple of the coaches, but I think we had a
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great time doing it. So, wow, hard to believe.
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Nine years old, and I think we both turned 52 this year. So,
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been together for quite a while, both played ice hockey, both went to Catholic
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school, created our own gang, right?
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So, you had to be from a divorced home.
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You had to have been asked to leave multiple schools.
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You had to play ice hockey and had to be Jewish.
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Unfortunately, when we looked around, we realized that there were only two of
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us left that met the qualifications that we had set.
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So, here we are. What's the name of that gang that's still active today?
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Very affectionately known as the flying yarmulkes from hell.
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And it's funny. There's some groups that shutter. There's my flying yarmulke
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tattoo and Oliver's flying yarmulke from hell tattoo.
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Right. So, yeah. So, here we are. So, we've literally known each other since third or fourth grade.
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And when I say known each other, this was more than just a friendship.
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We literally spent every single weekend together, either at his house or at my house.
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And Oliver, it's kind of like Harry Potter Instead of living underneath the
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staircase He lived up in the attic And what did we have plastered all over the
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ceiling When we'd go to bed every night to look up at?
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This is pre-internet days. This is the days of you'd find something in a brochure
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or magazine, you'd cut it out, you'd paste it up on the wall.
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These were not very, almost probably asbestos laid in attic tiles,
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and we had them covered in military memorabilia, really wall to wall.
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I think it probably made it pretty tough when my mom decided to do something
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with that attic to, uh, to remove all that stuff.
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So all of our lockers in high school, all of our, uh, uh, stuff was,
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you know, recruiting posters, recruiting brochures, we cut up and post those up.
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And from a very early age, uh, that's all we did was talk about joining the military.
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It was a calling that we had at a very early time.
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And, uh, why a lot of our friends were out playing, kick the can or riding bicycles,
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Oliver and I were spreading mud on our face and doing BB gun wars out in Daniel
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Drake Park over in Cincinnati and just dreaming of the day we'll get the opportunity to serve.
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So I think, you know, even before I met you, I think I was really my mother's,
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you know, penance, right? My mom's a hippie.
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I remember a story from her that I would play, you know, little battles with
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my green army men in the bathtub.
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And then I'd make her sing the Pledge of Allegiance at the end,
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or sorry, not the Pledge of Allegiance.
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We'd sing the Star-Spangled banner at the, uh, at the end of the, uh, the battle.
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Um, I had a pair of, uh, camouflage pajamas. I believe I, I insisted on wearing
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outside, uh, until I wore those through. So it was no surprise.
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And you mentioned mud. I don't think I was ever smart enough to use mud.
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I think I insisted on that, uh, you know, 1960s, 1970s, um, green loam,
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you know, camo, the kind that you would heat up and rip your skin as you put it on with the metal tin.
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And it would take a week to come off. It would just be embedded into your face.
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Yeah, so I think early on, I felt that call to serve, just something bigger
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than myself and wanted to be a part of something that has done so much for so many people.
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And that's so important that we talk about this call to serve,
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the sense of purpose, because that is really what a lot of our fellow veterans
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start to struggle with when they make that final PCS and they go out is that
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they lose that sense of purpose.
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And that's one of the things you and I and Rico are so passionate about is how can we,
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not just find that sense of purpose, but find that tribe, find that community,
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and most importantly, find that mentor that's going to come over and help guide
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you on this new journey because it's pretty significant.
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Absolutely. I think you don't make it in the military without your friend group,
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your brothers, your sisters, a mentor. People have different names for it.
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People typically don't appreciate it at the moment that they're in it,
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but it's pretty hard to replace. And you don't join the military and instantly
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become a soldier or a Marine, a sailor, an airman. There's an indoctrination period.
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And whether that is a number of months, a number of years, depends on what community
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you're joining. But there's a cultural piece to that.
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And we all recognize it takes time to adapt to that. Well, why should it be
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no different when you prepare to return to civilian life?
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And we truthfully don't do a great job in preparing people to reenter the civilian
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community in that reintegration piece.
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That final PCS, as you call it, right, that next mission, we really owe our
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veterans better to help them reintegrate and to show the skills and the benefits,
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the things they are taking from the military service and bring those to bear in their next phase.
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So Oliver, let's talk about that next phase. You've been in for just a few,
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what, weeks shy of 30 years?
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Is that right? Yeah, it's been a couple of passings of the moon.
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So I have my retirement ceremony next week.
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I'll be hanging up at 29 years, 10 months. I'm not counting.
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I didn't want to be a super lifer. I thought lifer was fair enough.
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So I was going to hang it up just under 30. So I couldn't be accused of being a super lifer.
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So this is really great to get your insight. and our listeners to get your insights
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as we record more of these episodes, because you're currently on active duty.
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You are going to have your retirement ceremony just in a matter of a couple
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hours, couple days, basically.
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And we'll be able to kind of have you share with our listeners the experience
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of what you're going to be going through as we make that transition and hopefully
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find mentors and be a mentor.
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Absolutely. So I think well-positioned to share not only what I've experienced
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the last 30 years, but also going through the transition process,
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recognizing that for many people, it's a scary time.
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We don't quite know what's happening with the economy. I think there's some
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economic uncertainty, whether or not you fall on the left, You fall on the right.
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Getting out of the military can be a little bit scary because it's just the
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uncertainty, the unknown. How are you going to take care of your family?
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I think that I happen to live in the Washington, D.C. area.
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A lot of people tend to gravitate to that area that are defense related. But.
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As everything, you know, there's still uncertainty, even though it's a great
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area for jobs, how I land, what I land in, I think that still remains to be seen.
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So even for myself, with a lot of skills, a lot of training,
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a lot of education, right, there's still uncertainty for myself of how I'll land.
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And I think it's not just the job piece, but also recognizing the impact on
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one's mental health, right?
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As you go through that transition, what's next? How am I going to fit in?
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What's going to be important? What's my role? And I think we very easily undersell that.
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And I think you'll see a lot of, there are a ton of videos out there.
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There are a ton of great little reels.
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There's some great creators out there and they do the comparison when you see
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someone faster up and out of a helicopter or an airborne drop,
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and then they see them working on a forklift.
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How do you compare the two? How do you reconcile that, right?
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When you go from, you know, one extreme of having something that's exhilarating
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a lot of adrenaline to something that may not be as much.
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So I hope we get to talk about that. I know that I have some things that I've
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enjoyed about my transition, some things I wish we did a little bit better in
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terms of the resources that we align. I'd like to talk about that.
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So before we talk about the transition, let's talk about how this whole thing
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got started. So Oliver and I were actually living together as roommates.
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And Oliver came home and said, Zach, guess what I did today?
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And I said, what, Oliver?
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And tell us who you visited that afternoon and what you did.
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So I was tired of being told what to do. I had no money, more money for college.
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So I did what every independent thinker does.
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I enlisted in the Army, uh, in the artillery, right. A branch known for,
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uh, for independent thinkers.
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So, uh, not only did I join, but I had a pretty quick ship time and I didn't even tell my mom.
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So I remember it was Cincinnati, Ohio, Pleasant Ridge at the gold circle mall,
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uh, recruiting station.
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I told you, and a few days later I told my mom and that happened to me the same
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day I was shipping, uh, to the Mets.
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And I think I gave my mom about two hours notice of what time I needed to go
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meet the recruiter and have my little, uh, my little gym bag.
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And I was off to, uh, off to Fort Knox and Fort Sill and off to Germany.
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And I think all I really heard the Mets people say was bonus and Europe.
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So in retrospect, maybe not, maybe not the best decision-making skills, uh, going in.
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Well, I think great decision-making skills. You got to get some interesting
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experience, uh, Over in Albania and learned the prolification of mud, I guess I would say.
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I remember you sharing the amount of mud that you encountered over there in Albania.
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I'll be honest, numerous tours to Iraq and Afghanistan,
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I would say some pretty strong memories about the depth of the mud and the misery
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in which we lived in Albania in that spring of 1999.
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So let's kind of take you through. I know 30 years is a long time to talk,
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but let's talk about some of the highlights.
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Don't necessarily have to talk about you sleeping in your car with Sergeant
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Schumann at Oktoberfest or getting in a fight, a bar and almost causing the
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international incident. But let's get into kind of some of the highlights of that journey.
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Well, I think you did just bring that up. Oh, I'm sorry, did I?
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I think we can move past that part for now. We'll save that for later podcast.
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But yeah, so I was stationed in Babinhausen, Germany for three and a half years.
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My first go-round, spent a couple years on exchange to the Brits.
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Not a lot of people get the opportunity to be an exchange officer.
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Pretty fantastic. and another go in Germany, opportunity to serve a life member,
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third and three division, repeat offender, multiple deployments with the division.
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I also had the opportunity to go to Fort Lovemore, Fort Sill, Fort Me, Fort Knox.
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It's really pretty interesting that you don't see it until you're at the end
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of all these places that you've been and the people that have come in and out
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of your life. And I think the one constant is, regardless of the duty station,
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you will find good people, right?
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And you will gravitate to other good people and you take care of one another,
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right? And did I love every duty station?
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No. But I also had the chance to go to some places that were just pretty fantastic.
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So you say, you know, what's a single memory that you think of?
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I think of riding in a Blackhawk, doors open, facing backwards with a,
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with one of my bosses back then. And we're doing an aerial reconnaissance of
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Kabul and just outside of Kabul with the doors open.
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And he's making fun of me because I'm tightening my straps because I'm hanging
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out and if anyone's ever ridden backwards in a Blackhawk, you're thinking made
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by the cheapest bidder, right?
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It's a little bit rickety and you feel like you're fully hanging out of the aircraft.
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So he's making fun of me and I'm thinking, I'm actually getting paid to do this, right?
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This is not a bad way to spend my day getting to see Kabul via Blackhawk.
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And I think I have numerous memories like that, sitting inside the chief staff
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of the army's outer office, holding three binders, not there to talk,
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not there to do anything, but just hold those binders.
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I'm looking out at the Emerald Dream glass and I'm
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watching an offspring land first time i'd ever seen an offspring i'm going you're
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getting paid you're getting paid your job today is just
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to hold these binders and most people would complain about
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that i was thinking wow the
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magnitude of where i am and what i'm doing and being part of something that
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uh it didn't seem like it had purpose at the time but as i reflect back i actually
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laughed quite a bit about that individual episode both of those actually let's
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go back i i had the honor of being one of two people,
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your mom and I, of pinning those second lieutenant bars on you back at University
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of Cincinnati when you became a second lieutenant going from sergeant to second
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lieutenant, green to gold.
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Talk me through some of those early mentors that you had when you were second
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lieutenant, lieutenant, just kind of starting your career out there as a start ID.
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Well, I would say that, you know, mentorship began long before that, right?
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I would say as a part of first class, I really had a fantastic platoon sergeant and fantastic chief.
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And I had a group of NCOs that believed in me early on, saw something in me
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that I didn't necessarily see in myself.
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And truthfully, I think that carried me pretty much most of my career.
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The early investment, when someone saw something in me, took me to the soldier of the quarter boards,
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pushed me put me in additional duty
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appointments things that i wasn't going to do for myself and i wasn't going
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to volunteer for those things but that began incrementally changing how i viewed
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myself and my abilities so i think to say that it really started as a second
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lieutenant it really started as a private first class right really uh.
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Back in Germany, in Babin, I was in Germany at 127FA, when senior NCOs take
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a shine and they begin investing, you start thinking of yourself very differently.
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When it came time to re-enlist the investment that my NCOs had made in me,
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I was very quick. I was very fortunate.
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I came in during the freeze, right?
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There were only a couple of waivers a month available for specials.
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So most people sat at PFC for quite a duration of time.
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I think I was at PFC for 22 months and I was a specialist for about eight or
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nine months before I made sergeant.
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So all in all, I think pretty quick climb to sergeant, but it was because of that early investment.
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And that's the type of investment that was made to me early that I thought was
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so important to make into others.
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And when I arrived as a brand new second lieutenant, I found it again.
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And again and again, and it's a cycle, right?
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And the only thing that changes is the breadth of what you're doing changes.
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So to think that mentorship only happens at a general officer level and that's
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where mentorship starts, it actually starts at the very base level, right?
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So from fire team to squad to platoon to company, right?
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At every echelon, there are people to your left and right.
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There are your superiors and peers, right? Because not all mentorship has to
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be someone of superior rank.
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I would say one of the first people that I really looked to that taught me what
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it was like to be a good junior member of the team was another specialist,
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right? He made a sergeant before me.
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And to this day, I credit a lot of things I learned to do the right way.
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To him, he showed me the ropes, the right way to dig a fighting position,
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the right way to pack my bags, the right way to stay warm when it's freezing
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out, the things that others weren't going to teach you and you can learn two
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ways, trauma and repetition. And, uh,
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You know, his name was Monty, right? Charles Montgomery.
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And tell you what, without him, I would have learned by a lot of trauma, right?
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Fortunately, I got to learn from some repetition from doing it again and again
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and doing it the right way.
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And I think that is, that's the lesson. And I think that's the piece that continues to pull through.
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Well, Oliver, I think this is a great place to go ahead and put a pin in this episode.
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Thank you for sharing your journey and the information about Monty and all those other great mentors.
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I look forward to diving a little bit more into this on our next episode.
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