WWE RAW POST-SHOW (4/21): Keller & Machado discuss Heyman & Seth with a new addition, Becky's big angle, Cena's celebration promo, more

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It's time to talk to this week's WWE Monday Night Raw.
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Where do we start with this episode? Javier I reported
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on the way Keller Hotline for VIP members earlier this
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afternoon that we should not expect a tame uh raw
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after Mania. The I was I was given indications that
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this there was a lot that was going to be
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come coming out of this WrestleMania, and a lot coming
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up on the raw after Mania. I wasn't necessarily prepared.
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For this much.
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A three hour show with a lot to cover. Our
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post shows can go along. I've been working hard to
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keep them under two hours. A streak of post shows
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under two hours. We're gonna aim for that again here
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and try to get through a lot more stuff, all
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all the stuff on tonight's raw a little in a
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little briefer at least, so we cover everything, and then
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we've got all week on our podcast, the tomorrow's flagship
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episode of the Weight Keller Pressing podcast that's a podcast
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audio only show. Will give us more time to get
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into this more Weight Keller Hotlines everything with Richard Wade,
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the Fix of Todd Martin, and all of our other shows,
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including Hovier Yours your acknowledging WWE episode. This gave us
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a lot to talk about. Okay, so enough generalities. First
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of all, for those watching on YouTube, Hoavier did warn
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his cameras a little in and out today that has
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it was giving a morning signs, so he might be
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in and out.
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But good to see you, Javier.
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Let's let's start with and I talked about this on
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the You're missing a lot if you're.
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Not a VP member.
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By the way, I talked about this on the VP
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Roundtable last night with Todd Martin and Rich Fan that
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this probably wouldn't just be I suggested it might not
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be just Paul Hayman and Seth is getting a sense
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of maybe a new dangerous alliance of sorts, and we
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kind of ran through some possible fun names for that.
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As the show progressed with the Becky Lynch, He'll turn
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with the return of Russev, I was starting to manufacture
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in my head some cool possible Dangerous Alliance stablemates so
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to speak with Seth and Hayman. But in the end,
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the most obvious person joined Brown Breaker, somebody who Paul
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Hayman behind the scenes has been working with is very
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very high on and.
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Rightfully so Paul picks him out.
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You know, he aligns himself with big names like Ronda
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Rousey and Brock Lesner. Big turns for established stars like
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Roman Reigns for instance, of course Cempunk, but now not
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only is he reinvigorating, Seth will debate whether he should
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be coming out to the same music in the same
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gody clothes if he wants to be refreshed. But now
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we have bron Breaker in the group. I went rule
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out a newly turned Becky joining the group. Maybe Russev
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as an enforcer of sorts. I think there's still some
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some room for expansion here. Jabier, what's your take on
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the Paul Payman Seth Brown Breaker situation with punkin Rains
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taking a beating from from from Seth and Breaker tonight.
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Yeah, it makes sense.
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I am intrigued at a powerful uh you know, top
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of the cart faction because Robin's being one of the
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top guys and Breaker being pulled up there made sense
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that how he lost the title in a multimand match,
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I was expecting, you know, him to move up the card.
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And tippy top.
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I mean that's going to be you know, they they
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immediately put him up against Rains and Punk, so uh,
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it's it's I'm looking forward to what they're gonna do
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with with Breaker, because you know he's got something factor
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to him that he's definitely going to be someone that's
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going to be carrying likely carrying the company in the future.
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Broad Breaker is phenomenal. I mean, he really is.
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I mean, and and he's like one of those guys
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where you kind of it's funny, we're doing our we
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put up on the way Keller Prosing podcast feed our
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fifteen years ago shows, and we're talking about like Jack Swager,
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you know, and talking about his future. And Sweger is
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one of those people who you know, he looked the part.
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He looked like, oh, you know, he's got maybe some
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brock Lissner like pedigree, great size, a good look. But
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you started hearing behind the scenes he wasn't a serious
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student into the game. He wasn't a serious professional. There's
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a report of him falling asleep at a production booking
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meeting once and you know management soured on him, and
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that happens with bron Breaker. There's been no signs of that.
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Every indication from everybody is this guy wants to be
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a big, big, successful star and that he is bringing
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every level of professionalism to this.
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He's asking all that.
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You know, a lot of the times it's do you
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engage with veteran wrestlers and voices in the back. Do
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you show respect for them? Do you ask the right questions?
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Do you show humility? But also termination, He's checked all
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those boxes. It's not a surprise to me that Hayman
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would want associate with him. And I think one of
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the keys with what we saw last night where Hayman,
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you know, everyone was going, oh, well, will Hayman be
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with with Punk or Roman? The whole thing was set
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up to choose between the two of them, and all
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along and I talked about this and I didn't know
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what was gonna happen, but I talked all along that
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I think and this isn't like, you know, amazing, who
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could have thunked this insight? But I talked about how
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this match wasn't put together because the match on paper
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seemed like this is going to be a great Wrestlemanium
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Maine event that's going to solve all kinds of things.
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This match was put together and I said this multiple
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times in recent weeks by working backwards from what they
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wanted to do angle wise in that match, and the
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prevailing thought was either Haman aligns with Rains, Hayman aligns
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with Punk. Maybe Punk turned Seel. There had been some
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talk in the final days leading up to it maybe
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there would be a Seth Heel turn, but I think
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most of that was framed as they'd be Hayman with
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Punk against Seth or Haymen with Rains against Seth. But no,
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we got Haymen with Seth, Hayman and Seth on its
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own fields. Yeah, Seth's been around forever, Seth can talk.
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Is Seth worthy of being Hayman's next guy? And that's
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when the faction you know, comes into play, that there'd
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be this, you know, essentially a new dangerous alliance. You
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can google that and look at the history of that
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and in w W back in the day.
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I'm I'm a fan of.
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That if this grows even more than this, But I
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really like the idea of Breaker and Seth together for
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a while.
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Have your beck you for some thoughts on that.
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Yeah, those were my thoughts that either this match was
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in order to propel CM Punk to winning a title
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or because I thought I thought that Rand.
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Had no chance.
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I didn't think Rayin was the windows he didn't need
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to uh, and the other one was Seth Rollins.
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Although I was thinking.
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More along the lines with the rock is I still
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need some sort of closure for that.
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My soul can't heal without it without you know.
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So I thought it might have been some sort of
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thing where you know, it would have been seen and
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and uh and rawlins under like you know, a de
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facto thing. Uh, you know, but so I it was
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different from what I thought. And yeah, the whole dangerous
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Lines thing makes sense.
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Uh.
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And you know rus have coming back kind of makes
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you think that maybe him because you know, have like
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just someone who could basically take losses for the faction.
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Uh your your Tamatanga or tanaloa. Uh.
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And yeah, I'm I'm really excited to see where things.
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Are going to go on with this storyline going forward.
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Yeah, I'm I'm.
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My inclination is to think and I wouldn't rule it out,
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but that they're not We're not gonna see Jacob at
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in this I think this new faction it's gonna seem
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as different as possible from what Hayman had been doing
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with the Bloodline and not just have it feel like
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a sequel or a derivative.
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That said, I.
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Talked about, you know, watching this show with the idea
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in mind, like For instance, when Russa made his return,
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Michael Cole said, Raw has just become more dangerous, and
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I thought, Okay, they're playing on it's just a little subtle,
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like Easter Egg. That's he's going to be a new
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dangerous alliance. And I could even see them calling it
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that they assume they own the rights to it. It
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would be a callback. So I thought, okay, that's a
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little clue. Russo would be kind of the enforcer with
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his arms crossed in the back protecting Hayman. But the
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other name that I haven't brought up that I'm intrigued with,
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besides Becky Lynch, is Sammy's Ain't you know, Jay USO's
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world champion celebrating a lot of tension. I want to
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get into that segment. I thought the body language, facial expressions,
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the body positioning, everything brought me back to the to
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the Bloodline days in there behind the scenes skits where
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you just want to rewatch it even though there's only
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like two people for most of it. The body language
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of Jay and Sammy was just brought me back to
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those backstage segments with The Bloodline where you know Jay's
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not happy with Sammy being out there but maybe warming
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to it, but still little leery. And then when they
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stand on the second second row, Jase keeping an eye
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on Sammy the whole time in a way that you
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would expect somebody to has a mixed background with Sammy
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in terms of trust and not trust, and and so
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the whole thing. There was tension throughout that, and I'm like, okay,
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I could see Sammy possibly being part of this too, So,
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I mean, they weren't playing into that on TV. I
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don't know if the average ear was wondering who's going
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to join this group, but it wouldn't shock me if
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now people start wondering, is there going to be a
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third or fourth person, Becky, Sammy Russev, Jacob Fatoo like
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you like has been suggested? So yeah, I'm all for
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four or five people, including a woman, being in the faction.
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What do you think of the Sammy option how here?
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Yeah, I mean, the the only thing is that they've
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done such a good job in having him be a
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babyface that I think him being the first hurdle that
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gets well. I mean they kind of did that with
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Kevin Owens, but with the injury, you know, things went awry.
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I could see him be like.
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The guy who gets destroyed, you know, before the real
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here shows up to dismantle the faction.
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Yeah, coming from Derrek Mitchell, Seth Rowlin said he would
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be guiding the future of wrestling, and bron Breaker checks
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those boxes. I don't think Russev had joined Seth and
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Hayman because you don't need him if you have Braun. Yeah,
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I mean, I think you're gonna make it work, but
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maybe there is more room for Rusev to reach his potential,
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not being clearly the third guy behind Seth and Braun
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at that point. Ruscev is not a future star though
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he is a current star. He's a returning star, but
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he doesn't have like this untapped bright future. He is
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just who he's going to be. And obviously people are
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excited to see him back. But I could still see
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Russev just standing there with his arms cross, going, you
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don't you got to go through me to touch Hayman
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while Braun is wreaking havoc and Seth is being the
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active leader. So anyway, and actually, Goodfella fourteen twenty two
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in the chat say, would they pull a younger guy
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they believe in like Trek Williams or of WITHEMI and
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try to elevate a younger guy for the main roster audience.
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I assume that's in the context of Hayman. I don't
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over the years and other.
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Yep, you know the dynamic in that way. So that's interesting.
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Danny Tuccito says, subtle thing. Sammy stepped in front of
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the ramp. Also, Sammy ran off to the side and
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celebrated himself when they reached the stage. Yeah, I don't
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think there's anything accidental there.
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Hobvier.
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I think this is a really Broadly speaking, this was
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Before that, it was about Jay celebrating its title win.
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The strategy of that. You don't want to overwhelm people.
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This show was a.
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Way to say it's not WrestleMania season anymore, it's post
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WrestleMania season. As Standard Deviation said, this feels like a
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new chapter, a lot to get into, have you or
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No, I mean that's I said, we get into the weeds.
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Yeah sounds good. Yep.
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Javier Machado is my co host on tonight's post show.
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He he writes pl previews for w w B p
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Todd Martin pointing out that he said on The Fix
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the day before that Dominic would win. I wanted to
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make sure that he.
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He I have sadly not seen her to fix a
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Yeah, so I've been kind of like not plugged in
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So yeah, no, that that happened.
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So it's not like the fixes is a ten minute
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listen you gotta I know you've got a lot going on.
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So never no, And I wasn't accusing your copying of
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Endymans because obviously the way you wrote it was your idea.
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Oh but I'm I don't tell nothing, might you know?
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Just take a shot here?
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this week. Who's who's in rotation for co hosts this week? Uh?
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It should be Kevin, but he you know, right, so
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can be a video caller. Speaking of which, let's uh,
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let's pivot now, Javier and start with callers. I mean,
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there's so much to cover. I feel like if we
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bring up a second topic, callers will be on hold
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in forty minutes to go by and they'll be tired.
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So let's uh, let's go first to Ben Baker joining us. Ben,
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welcome to the show. You're the first caller here on
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the post show for the raw after Mania. What's on
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your mind about Rot tonight?
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Yeah, you know, it's funny.
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I didn't even realize that I was cute at the
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talk right now, but I prepare to say something.
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Oh coo okay, so now you click the link, I
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should say, and our and on on our page, we
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actually mean to stream it.
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But anyway, welcome, well, first longtime listener, first time caller here.
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Actually I've been a post event reporter for you a
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couple of times when I used to live in Austin.
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But yeah, I thought it was a really strong show.
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I thought it was a really strong show. I'm really
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digging the faction with Hayman. I will say this, I
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think Seth needs some new music if he's trying to
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get over as a heel. I don't think that's going
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to happen with the crowd chanting. But you know, there
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have been some confusing crowd interactions here over the past.
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I would say forty eight to seventy two hours, yes,
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so I think they need to sort through.
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Some of that stuff.
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Maybe it's because it was the.
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Last segment, but that's kind of where my head is
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with the with Seth's music. Maybe that's a good place
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for them to try to start ironing out some of
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the crowd reactions to get there, get what they're wanting
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with this.
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Let's talk about that, Havier. What do you think about
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Seth's presentation tonight? I mentioned in my Tea TV report
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at pw torch dot com or everybody went in Friday,
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I've got a rint report on rote down about and Spackdown,
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So I encourage everyone to take a break from social
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media and see what I'm saying about the shows. And
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also if you can't see the shows, it's a good
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way to catch up. And in my report, I said,
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you know, for those who are hoping Seth to drop
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the music and drop the gotdy bright outfits and change
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his demeanor, so far, that's not the case. Now doesn't
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mean he can't jaber, should he? Or is there Is
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it okay for fans to sing a song for two
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minutes and then boo him afterwards? Is it okay to
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have him not dramatically change his demeanor if he wants
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people to look at him through.
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A fresh set of eyes, through a fresh land.
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I mean, if I'm assuming they're not gonna the way
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that they've been presenting Hayman on commentary, Like I thought
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they were a little bit heavy handed in the way
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that they were treating Hayman during the main event on Saturday,
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where it's like, man, they're really pushing Himan as being
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like the you.
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Know, a brick over the stuff going on.
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And so it seems like it's they're planning of as
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being a full board heel faction. Seth Rowlins till now
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has kind of been playing the sort of in betweener.
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You know, you know he's facing see him punk and
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you know some people are not gonna like see him
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punk and are gonna be cheering on Seth Rolin. So
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he's kind of you know, it works, you know, for
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what he was doing, but if he's gonna go full blown,
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he know, he's got to do what they do with
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Shinske with the the his Chiske's most recent song has
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motifs of the original one, but in no way that
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you can actually you know, sing along. Finn Balor is
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another one that has you know, motifs and and things
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that make you remember that recall you the original song,
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but you don't really you know, get it. He need
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they need to do something with that for sure, because
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it's it, you know, the whole sing along. You're just
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playing along. And I think a lot of the stuff
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that's been doing that way with that is part of
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the reason why you're getting these like you know, schizophrenic
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crowds that are like going.
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Back and forth.
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And I mean, I think that for me, the crowd's
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attracted over the weekend a lot, particularly with the uh
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you know, when Cody was like getting boot out of
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the stadium and cut a great promo and then like
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everyone's tearing and then everyone's booing and just it's just
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so disjointed, and the crowd is an important part of that.
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So and you know, the crowd going into businessmen themselves.
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I mentioned on my podcast where I hate them doing
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the the that they're they're copying the European chants and
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stuff like that, like you know, you just want to
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be part of the show. It's been it's I it's
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been really annoying the last couple of weeks.
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I I think it's a problem. I don't know that
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w thinks it's a problem, but I think it's a problem.
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I mean I think that we want there to be
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some semblance of logic to how crowds respond and and
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I don't know what to do about it to fix
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it instantly, but I know what to stop doing to
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encourage it to continue.
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But I don't know.
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I mean, I don't know if you can it's like
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the what chance. I mean, you can go, oh, I
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wish we never did that, But I don't know if
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you know what the solution is to stop it. But
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fans chanting one more time, I mean, when there's a
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heel turn, it's like the crowds just like, hey, this
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is the thing we do. It's and it's really fun.
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I mean they're charging big money for you know, WWE
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events to be there in person, and people want to
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be part of these chants that they've been watching on television,
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and the whole communal experience is part of the attraction
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of being there. You know, it's rocky horror picture show
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on steroids, you know, in a way under bright lights
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and in a modern setting and a much bigger stage.
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And but i'd like to see ww like try to
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steer people away from that because it does undercut when
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they try to do a serious angle like Gunther beating
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up Pat McAfee tonight. You know, they sort of want
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it both ways. They want you to really react a
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certain way some of the time when there's a villain
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and a protagonist who's you know, being unfairly undercut by
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that villain or betrayed. But then they also just want
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you to have fun, and they're like, any reaction is
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a good reaction the whole scene of thing, as long
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as he's gotten a reaction, which is always a cup
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out answer. So I don't know, but part of it
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would be as Ben brings up, like starting to cut
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back on the things that fans enjoy about heel presentations.
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Have your anything you want to add to that before
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I throw back to men.
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Yeah, I mean it's because because the one more time
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with the Becky thing. We'll get to that in a minute.
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I think that's more along the lines that no one
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really cares for Liraval carry sorry Laric, but in particularly
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over Becky.
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So they want to see Becky do cool stuff. You know.
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It's it's part the having, you know, not having the
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baby faces and heels correctly aligned as part of it
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along with I mean, if my recommendation for w B
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is studied really hard, whatever the hell you doing with Guther?
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Because Guther is about badass?
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I love Guther, but they're they're they're chanting, you know,
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f you goother and you know, you know when he
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when he's choking on McAfee and and and doing you know,
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despicable things he's hated, you know, uh, figure out what
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worked with that, would figure out what happened, what worked
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with early n JF and and try to bottle that.
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And I think that's you know, because you're right, it's
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it's it gets there's no reason why everybody is. I
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think they were chanting thank you Rolins after his music
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stopped and start chanting thank you Rolins and then went
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to a CM punk chant.
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I know.
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And and I mean to me, the epitome is, let's
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go seeing a scene of sucks. That's not a dueling
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chant between two factions of fans. It's the same fans
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chanting both. They just want to participate in an iconic
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chant and they're doing both of them same same thing.
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Now as you bring up with with with Seth you know,
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thank you, Seth, but then they chant for for CM
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Punk and OTC. It's not ideal. I mean, it's just
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it's not ideal. And I think that, you know, for
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the peak experience for pro wrestling is when you'll get
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fully into.
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Rooting.
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I mean, the NHL playoffs are upon us, the NBA
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playoffs are upon us. It's the Knicks cheering on their knicks,
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making a having a twenty two to run or whatever
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it was against Detroit over the weekend. You want to
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have that that, I mean, that's ideal. And I don't
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know why do to be does anything to conflict with that,
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And we had a lot of that going into this week.
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Even now, you know Rhea Ripley, you know, coming up
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to Yo Sky, Yo Sky is universally love. There's just
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taco fans won't like a pure you know, white at
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a pure snow baby face, freshly fallen snow baby face.
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You know, people love Yo Sky because Rie and Bianca
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were jerks to her. They were treating her as a
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subhuman and she's sweet and kind and super talented and
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standing up for herself. Wrestling fans are willing to embrace
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that character. There was a different error where they wouldn't have.
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I think it still was undercutting Rhea Ria coming out
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after Resumedia. Fan should be going bonkers for her and
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cheering her against somebody. Instead they have mixed feelings. I'm
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not a fan of mixed feelings and trying to shake
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things up from you know, the staid, traditional old school
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approach of babyfaces and heels. Don't try to reinvent that.
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You know, things are working, things have been working well
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without that. And you know, even though, like you said,
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Gunther is a really effective heel. You know, some people
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are joking he turned baby face by attacking McAfee and
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Cole when I get that, but the crowd was, you know,
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is anti Gunther and then he knows how to play
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a heel effectively.
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Note the crowd's reaction when McAfee went to save coal.
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That was a friend saving a friend, and the crowd
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was into that moment. You know that I think went
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a long way for them going after that. So that
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kind of storyline one of the things I would recommend
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if you don't have any on staff as your writer,
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and it's not like reading manga, watching anime, which is
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like where a lot of the current fandoms have moved
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to nobody reads combooks Now they read manga.
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Just go to your to your local bookstore.
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And and see the massive area that they have on that,
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you know, and the type of characters that are popular
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in that.
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THEV tubers.
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You know, I just learned last week about Gura, a
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shark v tuber character who retired last week, and I
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felt a rabbit over with that. And you know, but
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but the thing is, I'm like, I'm you know, I'm
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mid forties, so like those are not particularly V tubers
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are not. It's something else outside of my my, my
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rem new experience. But there that's where the audience is
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that you want to capture. So learn what is it
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about these characters and these people that actually are you know,
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people are attracted to and try to like somehow merge
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that in the types of stories that you tell Ben
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back to you.
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Yeah, that's a great discussion. I mean, if it was
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me and I was trying to curb audience attitude towards
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one of my talents, I think I would it would
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be sort of a crawl walk run, you know, there's
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something to just fort within your realm of realm of control.
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But I'll tell you this.
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I mean, the music is, you know, and so there's
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a part of me. I you know, you're just not
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setting a solid foundation whatever. You have a song for
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a heel that has a chant built into it that
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everybody loves. Part of me just wants to hear his
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architect theme again, you know, and hear him come out
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to that. That his his older song, you know that
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he used to come out to. But even that, you know,
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people may be drawn to that one other thing and
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then and then and then I'm gonna hop off again.
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Surprise run in here. I appreciate you guys entertaining by
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call curious to hear your thoughts on on Russev's presentation
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and where they go there. I think I loved, you know,
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some of his work that he did in a W
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and I think coming to coming out of w W
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during his you know, prior run, I think he was
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more of a comedy figure, and it seems like the
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crowd was ready to cheer him on as a comedy figure.
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Yet you know, with the trunk color change and his
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sort of intimidating entrance with the art and the music
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and such, it sounds like they're trying to present him
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as more of a you know, sort of a badass.
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If you will, and so curious to hear your thoughts
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on if there's any concern that he will fall back into,
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you know, sort of the conception of his character as
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it was before he left for AW.
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I don't know what to make Ben, thank you for
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the call. By the way, I'm good topics. I don't
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know what to make of the fact that Russev's return was,
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you know, beating up Otus, Like, is that to set
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up a feud and it establishes Russev at least for now,
721
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is going to be kind of mid card or does
722
00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:52.039
it establish Russev as a bully? And they know people
723
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:56.159
love love Otis and Tazawa and Maxine and so it
724
00:34:56.239 --> 00:34:59.400
was just a way to really firmly establish this isn't
725
00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:03.960
Russev ironic cheer him babyface, video game player tongue and
726
00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:07.400
like he's beaten up people who you like.
727
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:07.920
So what what?
728
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:10.440
First of all, briefly, what's your take on Russev in
729
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:14.320
general as the journey he's been on the star that
730
00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:14.719
he could be.
731
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:15.800
And then what do you make of tonight?
732
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:20.880
I would one one of like my gut reactions.
733
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:22.679
I don't know if I would have them come back
734
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:26.519
as Russev because that they went having the comedy with him.
735
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:27.880
With the rule Russev day stuff.
736
00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:29.719
And if you're not gonna do that and you're gonna
737
00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:32.360
present it differently, I I think I would have preferred
738
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:35.880
if you kept the miro uh name. But that that,
739
00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:38.480
you know, that's stuff for you know, you know, we
740
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:42.320
could diver love in that. But you know, but because
741
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:44.320
it's it's just when I heard the people chinning russ
742
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:46.519
and they called him Russev, that my mind was already there.
743
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:50.119
I think the whole thing is, you know, just take
744
00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:53.880
out Tazawa and probably lead to a one on one match.
745
00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:56.559
With Otis, just to so so that russe could throw
746
00:35:56.639 --> 00:36:00.199
morette way around and squash him, to try to make
747
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:02.679
him seem you know, divorce him as much as possible
748
00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:05.400
from that from his previous run.
749
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:06.880
You know.
750
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:09.119
The thing is, the thing about Russov is like I
751
00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:11.679
don't know what went on with a W. I don't
752
00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:14.000
know behind the scenes reasons what you know, what what
753
00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:17.280
what what soured whether that was all on Tony Kahn's
754
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:19.679
or there was you know, also on on on mirror
755
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:22.639
or Russev. You know that you know, and what was
756
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:24.639
going on behind the scenes, like, you know, does he
757
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:27.719
does you know, does Helana you know?
758
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:31.199
Does you know to to to be the top guy?
759
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:33.719
Or is just you know, collecting a paycheck that kind
760
00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:36.519
of thing, and see how if he fits.
761
00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:38.960
Into anything bigger, you know. I think right now it's
762
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:40.960
like we're just going through reintroduction phase with him.
763
00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:48.440
So yeah, yeah, I don't the idea of having him
764
00:36:48.440 --> 00:36:51.280
come back under a different name. It could be a
765
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:54.599
challenge because he was so well established in Debby as Bruce.
766
00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:56.960
I even I think, you know, Malachi Black, Alista Black,
767
00:36:56.960 --> 00:37:01.000
They're going to stick with their original names. But I
768
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:03.840
get what you're saying. Yeah, I mean, I'm not like
769
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:05.960
I want to want to advocate a root for Russa
770
00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:07.960
being in the Dangerous Alliance, but I think that would
771
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:12.559
be the way to frame him as a top guy
772
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:15.320
and not really like like Jake Hager and Jericho's group
773
00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:17.639
in AW kind of along those lines, but with more
774
00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:22.559
with more more of an edge, more danger to him,
775
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:26.079
a more serious approach. But I like the idea of
776
00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:30.119
like an enforcer being there, not that bron Breaker needs it,
777
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:32.320
but Breaker is going to be hard to corral. He's
778
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:34.639
just going to be doing his thing. You need someone
779
00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:36.519
to just stand next to him in and protect him.
780
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:39.360
As Seth that's antagonizing people, and Braun is plowing through people.
781
00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:41.119
So I guess I'm advocating for it.
782
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:42.599
Yeah.
783
00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:46.519
Granted, the whole probably reason why why I had that
784
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:48.960
reaction because I knew Ruth I start, I got back
785
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:50.920
into wrestling, and he was already in kind of the
786
00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:52.840
comedy figure. So that's kind of like I've only ever
787
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:55.199
seen that, So that might also be be you know,
788
00:37:56.840 --> 00:37:57.760
like a thing on my head.
789
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:01.679
Yeah, Douggie Dug's rus have already looked stale and tired
790
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:03.039
to me. I don't know what he has to offer
791
00:38:03.079 --> 00:38:06.159
that Jeff Cobb, Braun, Bronson Reed or some other NXT
792
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:08.719
guys can't do with less baggage and violic. There is
793
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:10.920
baggage with Russa. But he's really good. I mean, he's
794
00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:13.039
he's like early on. I mean, the reviews for his
795
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:15.440
work in the ring were really good. I don't quite
796
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:17.480
know what to make of what happened in AW.
797
00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:19.000
I've heard different opinions on.
798
00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:23.000
You know, why things didn't want to wry like they did.
799
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:25.719
You know, he's just left to his own devices and
800
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:28.039
want to play video games and then had this redeemer
801
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:30.199
thing that never went anywhere. And you know, did he
802
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:31.800
not want to do jobs because he just wanted to
803
00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:33.760
get back to doubt. B was was his mind, not
804
00:38:33.880 --> 00:38:36.519
other things, not pro wrestling. His heart wasn't in it.
805
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:38.639
There were other things going on with him. I don't know,
806
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:41.280
but I hope, I hope he gets I mean, there's
807
00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:44.599
so much talent there. I hope he's reinvigorated and has
808
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:46.400
a whole, whole productive new chapter.
809
00:38:48.119 --> 00:38:48.400
Yeah.
810
00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:53.079
So anyway, let's let's go to Durell next. Durell, Welcome
811
00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:55.559
to the show. Thanks for colling. What is on your
812
00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:59.119
mind about tonight's raw Aftermania, how y'all doing tonight?
813
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:04.599
And let me get right to it, John Cena, because
814
00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:05.800
I'm surprised that this.
815
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:08.599
Wasn't even you would have thought would have been.
816
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:13.360
The number one topic, but it's not, And I just
817
00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:15.480
wanted to go on and stay in the opinion of
818
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:19.079
mine it. I think us when I'm saying us, us
819
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:22.599
hardcore fans are a lot to blame with like the
820
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:26.000
angle were getting with John cent them And two reasons
821
00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:30.000
is because we fall in love with nostalgic and this
822
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:35.199
term you deserve it when you deserve what you already
823
00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:38.800
have and things like this, and now we're getting this
824
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:42.679
judge seen an angle which him standing out there to
825
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:45.000
night felt like he was acting and he wasn't even
826
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:48.920
putting on the acting the job from his HBO show
827
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:50.519
and nothing like that. It was like he was getting
828
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:53.800
the half hardy look, like he was faking it. He
829
00:39:53.880 --> 00:40:00.039
felt faith inforced the facial expressions and everything, and this
830
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:04.119
wasn't believable. And hopefully they can turn this around. Even
831
00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:08.079
though he said he got twenty seven days, that's not
832
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:11.079
even a four month, So I don't know how many
833
00:40:11.119 --> 00:40:13.400
angles you can shoot with him and stuff like that and.
834
00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:18.159
Deal upon this. But what are your ideas of how
835
00:40:18.599 --> 00:40:19.199
this can go?
836
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:22.760
Because I felt like after yesterday and today they did
837
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:26.719
more harm long term than they are with this short
838
00:40:26.840 --> 00:40:30.280
term thing that they're trying to boost, like with ticket singals.
839
00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:32.440
All right, Javier Darrell's right.
840
00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:34.159
I mean when I said we could have headlined with
841
00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:36.719
any number of things on tonight's show, we have covered
842
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:40.840
some secondary things before we get to John Cena's title celebration.
843
00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:43.000
What did you make of it? What do you think
844
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:43.880
of Darrell's take on it?
845
00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:48.840
Yeah, it just felt almost like punting because it just
846
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:50.280
felt like a dark version of.
847
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:52.280
The kind of promos he would give us a bitbefits.
848
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:55.960
And the only thing is that because there was something
849
00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:57.920
when I was running primary was like one hundred percent
850
00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:00.639
sure of because he had mentioned know, like he had
851
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:02.199
toyed with idea of retiring the title.
852
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:04.400
I did not know exactly what he meant by that, if.
853
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:06.239
He was like just gonna wait and they just retire immediately.
854
00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:09.320
But they explained more that you know, you got twenty
855
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:11.920
seven more appearances to take this off of me, So
856
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:13.920
at the very least we got that, which I think
857
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:15.920
is what I'm focusing on when it comes to John Cena,
858
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:18.880
because we got the you know, twenty seven shows before
859
00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:22.639
you know this goes home with me. Also explained did
860
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:24.719
a lot to explain like, well, I'm you know, you're
861
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:27.119
not you at home are not idiots. You know, there's
862
00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:28.880
gonna be another RUW and there's gonna turn him into
863
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:30.559
ground the next champion once I take it with me.
864
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:35.119
But the line is broken, you know. And and that
865
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:36.440
was I don't know if it's happened.
866
00:41:36.519 --> 00:41:38.000
I think he said that at the beginning too, that
867
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:40.000
you guys have to hold a tournament, it won't but
868
00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:40.960
it won't be the same.
869
00:41:41.320 --> 00:41:43.920
Yeah, but but like really hammering it home as the
870
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:47.400
start of the story because he I remember to mention it,
871
00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:49.679
but since there was so much other stuff, it gets
872
00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:51.679
lost in the weeds of what they were doing, you know,
873
00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:55.599
setting up the match. But now that he's won the title,
874
00:41:55.880 --> 00:41:58.840
him specifically saying this is what's going on now, Each
875
00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:01.280
person that he's going to fight off the starting with
876
00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:05.159
Randy Orton presumably is like the guy that you're like, oh,
877
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:06.880
you know, he's the who needs to beat it because
878
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:11.119
the threat here is the breaking of the lineage of
879
00:42:11.159 --> 00:42:16.039
the title. So I think that that itself adds to
880
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:18.639
any match that he's going to be involved in. And
881
00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:23.320
what doesn't help is the fact that they're advertising the
882
00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:26.159
Australian Show that he's going to be like centered star
883
00:42:26.239 --> 00:42:30.559
of that in October. So now you know, well he's
884
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:32.880
going to be doing something major in October. You can
885
00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:36.039
kind of extrapolate based on the number of showings that
886
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:38.039
he's going to have between now and then. If he
887
00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:40.719
only has twenty seven, well that sounds to me that
888
00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:41.840
they're gonna be stretches where he's.
889
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:43.000
Going to be showing up for a month or two,
890
00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:43.480
so you.
891
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:49.199
Know, well, twenty seven day too. Yeah, twenty seven dates
892
00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:51.360
gets us if he's on every single.
893
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:52.199
Week until October.
894
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:56.280
I mean May, June, July, August of October, there's twenty
895
00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:58.480
six weeks in the year and October is twenty six
896
00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:00.199
weeks away. I mean, I think he can have here
897
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:02.960
a lot because he's only I think he counted he's
898
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:04.559
only used up nine of them, right or did he
899
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:05.599
didn't use twenty seven?
900
00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:09.000
I'm not sure. I don't remember how many he had used.
901
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:11.360
Yeah, I think the twenty seven was how many has left.
902
00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:15.119
But I was impressed by his memorization. He named every
903
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:16.760
one of those European cities in order and all the
904
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:20.440
other dates. But what you're right, and the fact that
905
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:24.119
like by having twenty seven dates left, if I'm my
906
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:27.360
math is right in interpretation, that is right. It's telling
907
00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:29.840
people like if he were to lose to Randy Orton,
908
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:33.000
what would he still be around for?
909
00:43:33.079 --> 00:43:34.480
You know what I mean? Like, I mean like so
910
00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:36.199
I don't know.
911
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:38.760
I mean, like there is the idea of by tickets
912
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:41.559
to see John Cena, but it overrides the mystery of
913
00:43:41.599 --> 00:43:43.719
the storyline of is he just going to be sent
914
00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:47.679
away packing because Randy Orton's going to destroy him, and
915
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:48.280
you know he won't.
916
00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:51.559
He won't be around four long, four eyes.
917
00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:54.000
Malone says, the first couple of promos, I felt John
918
00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:55.559
Cena believed what he was saying, but after it's Pat
919
00:43:55.639 --> 00:43:58.679
mcphever in appearance today and then his promo tonight, he
920
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:02.840
definitely seemed half hearted. Dougie Doug in the chat says,
921
00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:05.239
Seen it isn't any better or worse as a character
922
00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:06.960
than he ever was, but the bar was raised so
923
00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:09.559
much in his absence that his flaw stand out a
924
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:14.599
lot more than they used to. Derek Mitchell says on
925
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:16.639
the Pat McAfee Shoal Seena gave a very good interview
926
00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:20.719
staying in character. David Chase in the chat says, Seen
927
00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:22.519
has creative control on this. It might not be his
928
00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:26.599
number one priority, but I do think he is fully invested.
929
00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:30.639
Darrell Beck to you, I mean follow up on your
930
00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:31.920
points or what we had to say, or bring up
931
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:32.880
a different topic up to you.
932
00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:36.199
I would say it is I think online they also
933
00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:40.480
announced that a date in October would be kind of
934
00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:45.000
his last, his last month because I think after the
935
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:47.719
PERF they showed a date that saying it was his
936
00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:52.119
last his last date, so you already got a concludes
937
00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:55.320
in an ending and even bringing it up.
938
00:44:55.880 --> 00:44:58.199
That makes how many you tell stories?
939
00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:01.320
When he said he on a retirement with the Bill
940
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:04.440
and he already gave you a countdown, and you announce
941
00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:08.199
the days in advance the way you and shows around him.
942
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:10.360
It's not all I will interject this.
943
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:14.079
I still would not let John Cena ending his twenty
944
00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:17.239
seventh date as a babyface. I don't think he's gone
945
00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:20.079
too far. He hasn't gone so far he can't go
946
00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:22.760
back to that. And so I mean his final match
947
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:24.639
might be bron Breaker be as a heel beating him
948
00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:25.840
as a baby face. I mean we have to be
949
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:28.159
open to a lot of different possibilities. The scene, a
950
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:32.400
title Reigne story might end at SummerSlam, but then we
951
00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:35.840
get a couple months of a proper babyface here the
952
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:38.639
legend We love you still John Cena, and I think
953
00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:41.400
they probably probably have something in mind for that. I
954
00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:42.760
don't know if Rock's going to be involved or not.
955
00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:45.000
I talked about the Rock on the VP Exclusive Weight
956
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:48.960
Teller hotline earlier today, and the vibes and impressions that
957
00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:51.559
I'm getting all along in what this weekend told me
958
00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:53.639
in terms of those manifesting with ideas.
959
00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:55.320
I always, you know, doing the big movie.
960
00:45:55.159 --> 00:45:57.880
Shoot in Hawaii right now, but I had some news
961
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:00.639
in terms of his involvement on the in the WrestleMania
962
00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:02.079
situation or lack thereof.
963
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:04.880
So yeah, I'm a Javier.
964
00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:06.320
I mean, what do you think about the idea that
965
00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:09.639
Sina closes out this run date twenty seven, is him
966
00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:12.280
as a baby face losing or beating some sort of
967
00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:14.400
heal Yeah, I.
968
00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:17.760
Mean it's it's likely because I think that's probably the
969
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:20.000
way they would want him to go out. That way
970
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:22.280
they can continue to, you know, be easier to selve
971
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:26.039
meet for a merchandise in the future when he's under
972
00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:28.840
his Wonder he's under his Legends contracts. I think it's
973
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:31.360
because even the Perth thing, I'm you know, I'm like,
974
00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:33.559
I'm already thinking that that's probably gonna be he already
975
00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:37.800
he's already gonna be a baby face for Berth. So yeah,
976
00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:40.480
that's that's kind of where I agree with that thought.
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00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:44.760
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00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:21.880
with the target date of December twenty seventh. Is that
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00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:24.519
usually the MSG show, I could see him ending in
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00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:29.519
a ceremonial off TV way in that context.
991
00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:31.880
Let's see.
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00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:35.559
Okay, so David Chase in the chat, So I want
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00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:37.119
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of them.
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00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:42.119
Back to you, yes, sir, and I'm getting a good
1017
00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:46.679
deal for it as well. But last, the only thing
1018
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:49.039
I have to say about saying that I feel like
1019
00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:53.920
sayce rationally is a semi sport. The only person I've
1020
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:57.400
ever seen go out on top in sports like winning
1021
00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:00.800
and being a champion or something like that is way
1022
00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:03.280
and because it took him so many years to get
1023
00:49:03.320 --> 00:49:07.800
back to the championship after his first couple of years,
1024
00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:10.840
he was going to the NFL title so many years
1025
00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:14.719
and kept losing. Then the separation, then he retired.
1026
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:15.960
Even the great.
1027
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:19.360
Tom Brady didn't go out of winner. He went out losing,
1028
00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:25.480
not being bad, but he lost. So I just that
1029
00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:30.800
storyline didn't feel right now to go to my next thing.
1030
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:33.360
In years, I wouldn't get back to talking about Gunther.
1031
00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:36.360
The angle that they did with Gunther tonight, I felt
1032
00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:40.760
like did the most for anybody because even though the
1033
00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:44.760
crowd wanted to cheer people on the one more times
1034
00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:47.480
like what they did with Becky's term, which I speak
1035
00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:52.079
gonna in a minute, but what he did, even though
1036
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:55.320
people were calling this show, was say how much you
1037
00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:59.360
don't like Pat mcafeech and his commentating and all of this.
1038
00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:02.559
And he he do too many poop jokes and all
1039
00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:02.840
of this.
1040
00:50:03.039 --> 00:50:05.440
And I guess now we know he come out high
1041
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:09.760
for the show based on what he said in the interview.
1042
00:50:10.119 --> 00:50:15.280
When he interviewed Paul and John Ceno, they still got
1043
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:18.800
a reaction, emotional reaction out the crowd that changed the
1044
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:21.440
crowd to buy into what they were doing. And I
1045
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:25.719
felt like this giving gun to another direction because obviously
1046
00:50:25.719 --> 00:50:28.079
he's not gonna be on the title chase, which he
1047
00:50:28.159 --> 00:50:32.000
hasn't been in a long time in WWE, and give
1048
00:50:32.079 --> 00:50:34.760
him a different direction where he still means something and
1049
00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:37.199
he met a little bit more. They even felt something
1050
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:41.280
for Michael Cole when he told Adam Pearce, Hey, no,
1051
00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:44.440
I'm not being ran away from I'm gonna do my
1052
00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:48.280
job and I'm going back out there. How did you
1053
00:50:48.440 --> 00:50:51.719
feel like this angle did for Guntha? Do you think
1054
00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:54.840
that it make him a little bit more important? And
1055
00:50:55.360 --> 00:50:58.119
what direction can you see Guntha go from this? If
1056
00:50:58.119 --> 00:51:00.159
they're finn to take him away from the title for
1057
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:04.559
a little while so they find something else, how have.
1058
00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:08.559
Here they do stuff like the comment I mean, and
1059
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:11.760
I'm not talking like guest commentators or or like McAfee's
1060
00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:12.480
a special case.
1061
00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:14.719
Because he you know, he's he's an athlete stuff.
1062
00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:17.599
But commentators like cold stuff. They don't do that too
1063
00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:20.920
much what they did with the goother. So it tells
1064
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:24.840
me that it's something important, you know that for him?
1065
00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:27.199
To do and to get the mind off and you know,
1066
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:28.960
move him to the next feud, which is likely gonna
1067
00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:29.280
be Latin.
1068
00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:31.079
McAfee would be my guess.
1069
00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:37.119
The the overall presentation of it. I really like the way, like,
1070
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:39.639
like I mentioned earlier, the fact that McAfee came to
1071
00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:42.079
the rescue of his friend, and what I really liked
1072
00:51:42.199 --> 00:51:48.360
is that he knew not to step on Goonther's aura
1073
00:51:48.519 --> 00:51:50.239
for a lack of better term, because the moment that
1074
00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:53.400
he hates Guther, he backs up and he's like, you know,
1075
00:51:53.559 --> 00:51:54.440
what did I just do.
1076
00:51:54.960 --> 00:51:56.519
I'm I'm probably gonna be in for a beating.
1077
00:51:56.519 --> 00:51:58.840
So he didn't just he didn't just like mean mug
1078
00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:01.880
him or anything and any of that stuff because he's
1079
00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:04.079
not a you know, he's not.
1080
00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:07.159
A professional wrestler. Uh.
1081
00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:12.159
So I think that that everyone handled their positioning there
1082
00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:12.719
very well.
1083
00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:14.480
The fact that they have doouth they're doing it.
1084
00:52:14.480 --> 00:52:18.400
It's something that because there are people who I know
1085
00:52:18.440 --> 00:52:20.639
a lot of people along you know, dislike McAfee. I'm
1086
00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:22.639
kind of agnostic on him, uh, you know, and know
1087
00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:24.000
a lot of people dislike him. They are other people
1088
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:26.840
that really like him too, like him also, and uh.
1089
00:52:26.679 --> 00:52:28.360
For the people who didn't get the.
1090
00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:33.039
Whoo who had commercials while that he was walking out
1091
00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:36.159
the actual stadium started chanting his song, trying to sing
1092
00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:38.719
him along, you know, to to buoy his spirits as
1093
00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:41.760
as they're leading him out to the back. So you know,
1094
00:52:41.800 --> 00:52:44.159
they're you know, there are people who like you know,
1095
00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:47.079
and they're they're kind of like the voice you listen to.
1096
00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:49.199
So you know you're going to you know, if someone
1097
00:52:49.239 --> 00:52:53.639
attacks Cole or somebody attacks McAfee, attacks Testator or who
1098
00:52:53.679 --> 00:52:56.039
have you, the crowds already else are going to have
1099
00:52:56.079 --> 00:52:57.920
like more sympathy towards them because they're kind of like
1100
00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:00.960
the voice in your ear. So the fact that was Gunther,
1101
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:06.400
you know, it puts him in something high profile after
1102
00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:08.960
having lost the title, So which makes you think that,
1103
00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:10.480
you know, so there's nine to be going down the
1104
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:12.719
cart or anything like you know priests basically, you know,
1105
00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:14.559
after the WrestleMania.
1106
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:17.199
Grooddog in the Chad says Gunther became the biggest baby
1107
00:53:17.199 --> 00:53:19.639
facing do to b for me choking out Pat Jason
1108
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:22.440
Powell and prowistling dot ever at progressing dot Net in
1109
00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:24.599
his raw report, which I highly recommend. I's got a
1110
00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:27.159
tab open for his reports too to see what he
1111
00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:29.400
and Jake Barnett are saying during life shows. He's like, oh,
1112
00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:32.480
Gunther's baby face turn, this was very newsworthy show, you know,
1113
00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:35.960
tongue in cheek of course. For as Malone says, McAfee
1114
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:38.760
is annoying because he has given privileges most people wouldn't
1115
00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:44.360
be given. But that's another story. And yeah, goodfella fourteen
1116
00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:46.440
twenty two mentioned I know mac McAfee has loved or
1117
00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:48.000
hated on the internet, but it seems like the live
1118
00:53:48.039 --> 00:53:49.840
crowds all mostly love him.
1119
00:53:50.840 --> 00:53:53.840
Where is this going?
1120
00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:55.440
You know?
1121
00:53:55.480 --> 00:53:57.360
Standard Deviation says, I do think it was weird.
1122
00:53:57.440 --> 00:53:59.840
Uther's post media heat was used to get Michael Colt cheered,
1123
00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:03.519
by the way, as an aside before I's ready to
1124
00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:05.119
have you here and then back to you also draw
1125
00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:05.559
on this.
1126
00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:08.800
I am like, so.
1127
00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:12.480
I don't know how to say enough good things about
1128
00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:14.639
Joe Testatur as an announcer. Now, I mean he is,
1129
00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:17.559
He's like it might be my all time favorite wresting
1130
00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:21.320
announcer already. I mean like jumping past Lance Russell and
1131
00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:24.960
Jim Ross and Michael Cole at his best and on
1132
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:27.760
and on. I mean honestly, like, you know, I mean,
1133
00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:30.400
I'm overstating things. He's got some years to put in
1134
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:31.079
before he gets there.
1135
00:54:31.119 --> 00:54:33.800
But I loved his speech. I found it politically.
1136
00:54:33.480 --> 00:54:35.880
Ironic, given who WW tends to support and how he
1137
00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:39.280
reacts to free media. But in criticism, the mad King
1138
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:41.400
not wanting criticism, so you don't get to, you know,
1139
00:54:41.760 --> 00:54:44.239
do this or that I'm gonna shut you down and
1140
00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:46.679
all that. But this whole thing about we're announcers. Let
1141
00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:48.119
us do our job. It's okay for us to have
1142
00:54:48.159 --> 00:54:50.239
our opinion, have thicker skin. Don't try to stop us,
1143
00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:50.679
don't try to.
1144
00:54:50.679 --> 00:54:51.239
Beat us up.
1145
00:54:52.239 --> 00:54:56.880
Joe Testatour's message is so like I want my announcer
1146
00:54:56.880 --> 00:54:58.519
to seem like he wasn't to use the old term
1147
00:54:58.639 --> 00:55:03.280
smartened up, like Joe asks how I've been advocating for ustlers.
1148
00:55:03.320 --> 00:55:05.639
He reminds me of miccarsh and you always use mccarsh
1149
00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:08.800
as a not a super high profile national storry. He
1150
00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:13.440
was on ESPN AWA ESPN shows in the eighties and
1151
00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:15.239
then he's based in Minnesota. Good friend of mine for
1152
00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:17.119
so long, the Torch contributor for a while too, and
1153
00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:19.360
a co host on these shows, and he did a
1154
00:55:19.400 --> 00:55:21.960
lot of media announcing and Mick always was a standard
1155
00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:27.400
for defending the baby faces, decrying the heels, being consistent,
1156
00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:30.679
and his whole framework was, we're here to do our job.
1157
00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:33.800
We're here to serve the fans, not the promoter, not
1158
00:55:33.920 --> 00:55:36.679
the wrestlers. We're here to serve the fans. And Joe
1159
00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:40.079
Testator's speech was like inspirational should be played for every
1160
00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:43.239
announcer out there who's announcing wrestling. Your job is to
1161
00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:47.920
serve the fans with analysis and framing things and enhancing things.
1162
00:55:48.440 --> 00:55:50.440
And he said it should be hands off, we should
1163
00:55:50.440 --> 00:55:52.000
be allowed to do our job. He was just a
1164
00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:54.400
great voice to follow up, so Michael Cole didn't really
1165
00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:57.199
have to say it over and over. And Pat mcfe
1166
00:55:57.239 --> 00:56:00.199
obviously he's being treated medically, so he couldn't. I love
1167
00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:02.800
Joe Testo. I think he made this angle, enhanced this
1168
00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:07.400
angle even more. But it's just very straight, earnest and
1169
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:11.639
very professional delivery. I don't like spineless announcers who are cowering,
1170
00:56:11.719 --> 00:56:14.280
and I don't like fanboy announcers like Michael Cole and
1171
00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:15.719
the Jay us so yeating. And I know that sort
1172
00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:20.480
of contradictory to my point about this, that you know
1173
00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:23.320
what I think Michael Cole's made a fool of himself
1174
00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:25.360
by getting too into Jay us So, but the point
1175
00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:27.480
being Gunther shouldn't beat him up because of it, even
1176
00:56:27.480 --> 00:56:29.519
if some fans would like him too. But the crowd
1177
00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:32.800
hobbyer is into this angle, So where does it go?
1178
00:56:33.559 --> 00:56:35.639
What's I mean? Are we getting Michael Cole and Pat
1179
00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:36.599
McFee against Goother?
1180
00:56:36.679 --> 00:56:38.679
I don't want that. I know fans might like that.
1181
00:56:40.199 --> 00:56:40.800
I don't want this.
1182
00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:42.480
I don't want Goother in a comedy angle, and I
1183
00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:44.079
don't want him selling for Pat McAfee.
1184
00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:47.039
So what's next? Or is that what we're getting?
1185
00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:50.199
I think likely McAfee's going to involve in some way,
1186
00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:53.199
shape or form, unless there's a wrestler out there that's
1187
00:56:53.239 --> 00:56:54.960
going to stick up for them.
1188
00:56:55.639 --> 00:56:56.679
That would be the only one.
1189
00:56:56.719 --> 00:56:58.519
I just haven't had time to really, you know, grow
1190
00:56:58.679 --> 00:57:02.000
down the roster or down the you know, possible future roster,
1191
00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:06.320
uh to to figure it out who who it might be?
1192
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:09.599
I mean, you know, I'm sure that if they put
1193
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:12.920
McAfee and Goother in a match together, it's gonna basically
1194
00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:16.239
be McAfee be chopped a billion times and you know
1195
00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:19.679
goo to slips of bananapeel so so so McAfee get
1196
00:57:19.719 --> 00:57:21.280
just like one or two hits in, but then like
1197
00:57:21.320 --> 00:57:22.159
it's squashed.
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00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:24.199
I don't think they're gonna do anything. You know, they'll
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be able to handle it.
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I don't think they're gonna have like an even steven
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you know, uh, you know, match between the two of them.
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00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:33.599
But I think that's likely what you're gonna get, kind
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00:57:33.599 --> 00:57:35.239
of like in a squash kind of situation. If it
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00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:37.519
goes on from there, it'll likely be somebody comes in
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00:57:37.599 --> 00:57:40.039
and saves them, uh that has some sort of connection
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00:57:40.079 --> 00:57:42.920
to McAfee or or or some newcomer or something that.
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00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:45.719
Drawback too.
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00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:48.599
I think the same thing.
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00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:52.079
I think this is a perfect opportunity to bring in
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00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:54.480
I know raps. To add to this is to give
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00:57:54.559 --> 00:57:58.639
them some type of grow, some type of up underneath
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and them they should.
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Go all drell, Drell. Your audio is a little uh weird.
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I don't know if it's because of your headset or
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00:58:05.960 --> 00:58:07.559
your might but get a little closer to us or
1216
00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:09.320
I don't know what's happening, but you sound muffled.
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00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:10.760
Yeah, can you hear me now?
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00:58:11.280 --> 00:58:15.320
Yep, yep, you sound better? Okay, my bad, We just
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00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:15.800
want to hear you.
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00:58:17.239 --> 00:58:17.639
I got you.
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00:58:18.599 --> 00:58:21.679
I think you should be able to add another wrestler
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00:58:21.679 --> 00:58:25.719
to this and it shouldn't end like at Backlash or
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00:58:25.719 --> 00:58:28.559
anything like this. He should come out and be trying
1224
00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:33.920
to keep attimidating Michael Cole where he go after whoever
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00:58:33.960 --> 00:58:37.519
they praise next, because he came after and attack them
1226
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:41.639
because of them, of their praise for Jay Uso and
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00:58:41.920 --> 00:58:45.719
not praising him, So the next person, whoever they praise.
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00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:47.440
That's why I say you got to pick the right
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00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:50.840
wrestler to put behind that he attacked and that started
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00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:53.719
some type of three month feud or two month feud
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00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:55.639
or however you want to do it, just to give
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00:58:55.679 --> 00:58:59.199
somebody else some buzz, because everything else seemed to be
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00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:04.400
tied up and other different storylines you're finna have roaming
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00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:09.760
and seeing punk going with each other. Obviously the SmackDown
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00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:12.960
title which John Cena has gonna be tied up somewhere else,
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00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:16.880
and we don't know where they're going with Jay, so
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00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:20.360
you just want to have different directions for different people.
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00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:23.920
Anything else. All you want to bring up.
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00:59:25.719 --> 00:59:29.119
Last thing would be how the crowd messed up to
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00:59:29.199 --> 00:59:32.840
Becky Lynch turn you made her feel and seemed more
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00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:40.159
like a babyface something than anything else, and you made people.
1242
00:59:40.599 --> 00:59:43.400
You made people who was looking from the outside in.
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00:59:43.559 --> 00:59:45.519
Let's say, if I brought somebody over and that's their
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00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:49.960
first time watching the show Lyra Bacteria, she'll be They'll
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00:59:50.000 --> 00:59:53.400
be like, I guess she ain't nobody because the fans
1246
00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:56.719
asking for her to get done again and again and again,
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00:59:57.280 --> 01:00:00.760
and like you kill her buzz And I know American
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01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:04.280
fans always complain about the overseas fans, but at least
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01:00:04.719 --> 01:00:07.000
they react to what's going on in the ring. They
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01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:10.119
might chant a little bit too much doing the talking segments,
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01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:12.760
but they do make the stars of the people who
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01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:16.119
they trying to get over as stars feel like stars. Well,
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01:00:16.559 --> 01:00:18.719
now you're gonna have to do so much work to
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01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:21.920
make Becky Lynch feel like a hell. That's why it's like,
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01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:24.920
why do you even turn people when you have to
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01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:28.679
work so hard to get them to be over? That's
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01:00:28.719 --> 01:00:34.760
a street profit problem, Charlotte problem, a lot of people problem,
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01:00:34.800 --> 01:00:39.880
even Becky for a minute, that's been her problem.
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01:00:40.199 --> 01:00:43.199
Yeah, how er, what do you think of what they
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01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:46.599
did with Becky? You know, Drell says the crowd ruined it.
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01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:49.159
You could also say trying to book Becky as a
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01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:53.280
heel is asking for it. Your take on what they
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01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:55.440
did with her tonight and why you think they did it, and.
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01:00:55.360 --> 01:00:57.039
You're what do you think of Drell's take on it?
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01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:00.840
Yeah, I mean, first off, it's on the wrong person
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because I don't I may be wrong with this. It
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01:01:03.199 --> 01:01:05.079
might just be a personal opinion on mine, but it
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01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:07.159
does not feel to me like liar La Carea is
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01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:09.159
over to what they're trying to get her to be over.
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It really feels to me like they're trying to do
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01:01:11.639 --> 01:01:16.159
a hard cell on me. Whenever they're they're they're talking about.
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01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:18.400
Her, it's just for me. She's not clicking.
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01:01:19.519 --> 01:01:23.519
So maybe you could get this if it's like EO
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01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:26.480
she did it the EO Sky for example. I don't
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01:01:26.519 --> 01:01:29.199
think people are going to be feeling too bad for
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01:01:29.199 --> 01:01:32.719
for Valkia getting getting beat up, of our Caia getting
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01:01:32.719 --> 01:01:38.039
beat up. So that's for the for the first thing. Second,
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you had Becky Lynch on the post. The post shows
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on the scrum or whatever with her daughter like with
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you know, super cute moment and we're supposed to believe
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01:01:53.480 --> 01:01:56.440
this now at the same time, you know, and that's
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01:01:56.599 --> 01:02:01.480
w produced material. I it's dumb to turn her baby face.
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01:02:01.559 --> 01:02:04.039
She's been gone for a year as our heel uh,
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and she's been gone for for for a year. It
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01:02:06.159 --> 01:02:08.360
would have made more sense if if they had just
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01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:10.559
left Bailey there and have Bailey be the one to turn.
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Heel it just it.
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01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:15.559
It's mind boggling to me that they're gonna try yet
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01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:18.360
again to do the heel thing when the fans want
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01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:20.679
her to be a baby face there, you know, they
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01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:24.639
want to cheer her. And the fact that the fans
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01:02:24.760 --> 01:02:27.480
fell in love with her when she became a badass,
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01:02:27.519 --> 01:02:29.519
when she stood up there bleeding and when she started
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01:02:29.559 --> 01:02:32.920
beating up everybody. Basically the real Ripley's uh, you know
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01:02:33.000 --> 01:02:35.199
what real Ripley is doing now because real Ripley's kind
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01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:37.800
of acting heelish. But people still love her because she's
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01:02:37.840 --> 01:02:41.440
a badass. They're gonna like Becky because she's a badass.
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01:02:41.440 --> 01:02:47.320
You just buried Valkaria and and you're gonna you're in
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01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:49.920
the same situation where people are gonna and if you're gonna,
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01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:53.119
this is my one complaint, my one like worry of
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01:02:53.159 --> 01:02:55.039
that you put her in part of that dangerous alliance.
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01:02:55.480 --> 01:02:57.480
People are gonna, you know, if you put her next
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01:02:57.480 --> 01:02:59.719
to to seth Rowlins. They're gonna just cheer both of them.
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01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:03.039
So yeah, I don't. I do not like the idea
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01:03:03.159 --> 01:03:05.559
of her going babyface, even if it's for this a
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01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:08.079
big if there's a bigger keep saying baby heal.
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01:03:07.960 --> 01:03:10.360
Because she's meant to be a business. It just it
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01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:12.800
just boggles boggles my mind what they're doing. And they
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01:03:12.920 --> 01:03:14.119
just screwed up with Charlotte.
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01:03:14.239 --> 01:03:16.039
They were trying to pretend like she was a babyface
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01:03:16.079 --> 01:03:18.679
when when when she made her come back is that's
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01:03:18.719 --> 01:03:19.159
just it.
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It's mind bothering the men.
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So lots of check comments on this. I threw them
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01:04:41.679 --> 01:04:43.800
on the screen for our YouTube users. I'll read through
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01:04:43.840 --> 01:04:46.639
them here now and then we'll throw back to Trel
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01:04:46.719 --> 01:04:49.719
for some final words from him. Goodfella fourteen twenty two.
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01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:52.079
I agree about Lyra rooting for her, but it's not
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01:04:52.599 --> 01:04:56.639
there Kyle Fassel says getting ahead of Charlotte Charlotte crowd
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01:04:56.639 --> 01:05:01.280
booing situation on Becky. Becky was flat as a baby
1346
01:05:01.280 --> 01:05:04.519
face said midnights and rock and roll, and that was
1347
01:05:04.639 --> 01:05:08.599
that's I mean she was. She wasn't red hot baby face.
1348
01:05:08.639 --> 01:05:10.119
You can say, oh she brings her kid out and
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01:05:10.199 --> 01:05:11.519
that was cute and the crowd.
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01:05:13.239 --> 01:05:18.519
But she's coming back from a year hiatus. She's going
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01:05:18.519 --> 01:05:22.280
to have that that that uh what you call it,
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01:05:22.360 --> 01:05:28.559
that that that uh momentum coming into it. This feels
1353
01:05:28.639 --> 01:05:30.719
like to me, the same thing that happened with Rollins.
1354
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:33.000
Where with Rawlins they had these you know, when she
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01:05:33.039 --> 01:05:35.840
came back from that injury where they had these videos
1356
01:05:35.880 --> 01:05:38.480
where I think they crossed that Jesus they started calling
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01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:41.920
him uh you know and all these all these motivational
1358
01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:44.719
videos they did with him. He comes in, the crowd
1359
01:05:44.840 --> 01:05:47.039
went not. So they turned her baby he on the
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01:05:47.039 --> 01:05:50.119
next day, you know it. You know, yeah, she at
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01:05:50.119 --> 01:05:52.679
the time when she left, she was not because they
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01:05:52.760 --> 01:05:55.840
keep screwing with that. Had they just come in and
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01:05:55.880 --> 01:05:58.679
instead of being you know, and you know you had
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01:05:58.719 --> 01:06:02.920
a better start from zero spot, you know, you're you're
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01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:06.199
again you're working against what the.
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01:06:08.440 --> 01:06:09.159
Momentum.
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01:06:10.360 --> 01:06:12.440
I was in the building for that that seth return
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01:06:12.519 --> 01:06:14.400
and it was It's so memorable because it just felt
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01:06:14.440 --> 01:06:15.880
like the beginning of something huge. And then I was
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01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:19.840
just like, oh jeez, they just did that. Uh Duro,
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01:06:20.079 --> 01:06:21.360
did you want to jump in on this? I saw
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01:06:21.400 --> 01:06:22.079
you raise your hand.
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01:06:22.679 --> 01:06:22.920
Yes.
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01:06:23.360 --> 01:06:23.639
Yeah.
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01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:26.239
The reason why you have to try something different with
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01:06:26.880 --> 01:06:29.960
Becky is because before she left, the reason why she
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01:06:30.079 --> 01:06:32.480
was flat is because when you put her side by
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01:06:32.559 --> 01:06:36.039
side with real Ripley, because that was the rise of
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01:06:36.119 --> 01:06:41.639
Real Ripley, it killed the bad assness of Becky. She
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01:06:41.800 --> 01:06:45.880
couldn't compare real New Flash. She'd giving you a different
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01:06:45.920 --> 01:06:49.119
feel on it and the bad ass feel that Becky
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01:06:49.159 --> 01:06:52.039
at that time can't give you. And I'm pretty sure
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01:06:52.079 --> 01:06:54.039
if you brought her back and tried to sit her
1384
01:06:54.119 --> 01:06:56.960
right next because it looked like they're trying to do.
1385
01:06:58.480 --> 01:06:59.880
Trying to reverse what they.
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01:06:59.800 --> 01:07:02.599
Did, the damage that they did to Rea with what
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01:07:02.719 --> 01:07:04.960
they did in the angle with her, and you try
1388
01:07:04.960 --> 01:07:08.599
to sit her next to Ria and EO, you having
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01:07:08.679 --> 01:07:11.000
too much and right now they don't really have a
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01:07:11.119 --> 01:07:16.599
top heeled woman to combat the babyface problem that you
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01:07:16.760 --> 01:07:19.800
have on Raw. When it comes to the women division.
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01:07:20.079 --> 01:07:23.159
You don't have a believable person and I understand what
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01:07:23.199 --> 01:07:24.960
they was trying to do, and yes, you could have
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01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:28.519
probably chose somebody else further, maybe beat up or whatever.
1395
01:07:28.960 --> 01:07:33.079
But it seems like you having an issue because even
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01:07:33.119 --> 01:07:36.239
with Live then winning Live, them got cheered. And I'm
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01:07:36.239 --> 01:07:38.920
thinking they getting cheered because people are starting to come
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01:07:38.960 --> 01:07:41.599
around on dumb so eventually you can have to turn
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01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:46.719
dim face and now you have no heels, no nothing,
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01:07:46.960 --> 01:07:49.239
so you have to try something different because the last
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01:07:49.280 --> 01:07:50.159
time she was here.
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01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:52.559
I'd like to see Paula back, just sit down with
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01:07:52.599 --> 01:07:56.119
everybody and go, you know, is this a problem? Do
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01:07:56.159 --> 01:07:59.000
we agree it's a problem, and if they don't, maybe
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01:07:59.039 --> 01:08:01.360
don't have the meeting. But I mean, and then how
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01:08:01.400 --> 01:08:03.119
do we fix it? You know, what do we have
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01:08:03.199 --> 01:08:07.400
to do in every facet of WWE to get fans
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01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:11.480
on back on board with reacting in a way that's
1409
01:08:11.519 --> 01:08:15.480
consistent with how their percented on TV? Because you don't
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01:08:15.559 --> 01:08:20.720
want badasses who are positioned as heels getting cheered. You
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01:08:20.760 --> 01:08:23.159
need to position them as babyfaces then, which is fine,
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but you need to have a culture of your presentation
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01:08:27.159 --> 01:08:30.239
that fans abide by, they respect.
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01:08:29.920 --> 01:08:32.840
They're on board for it. They like WWE. They don't.
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01:08:32.960 --> 01:08:35.760
You know, people aren't rebelling against w W. They're not
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01:08:35.760 --> 01:08:37.800
booing seen and this isn't like when they're booing seen
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01:08:37.840 --> 01:08:39.760
in Roman reigns. They're just they feel like they have
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01:08:39.840 --> 01:08:43.199
this permission structure now to disreact how they want and
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01:08:43.239 --> 01:08:46.359
that w W thinks that's great. And I think it's
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01:08:46.439 --> 01:08:47.760
kind of like with a what chant, you know, when
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01:08:48.039 --> 01:08:50.760
there's all that outrage when social media said, hey, show
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01:08:50.840 --> 01:08:52.239
up and do the what chant, and people like, are
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01:08:52.239 --> 01:08:52.760
you kidding me?
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01:08:52.800 --> 01:08:53.319
To that person?
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01:08:53.399 --> 01:08:56.279
Is that person like have any clue how disruptive and
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hated that is amongst the in the locker room and
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how it's it's rouned proma and nobody wants that. And
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01:09:03.159 --> 01:09:04.520
so there has to be kind of a culture of
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01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:08.840
presentation that fan that guides fans who want to be
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01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:11.199
helpful and not get in the way.
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01:09:11.359 --> 01:09:12.319
And right now, I don't.
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Think the casual fan or the committed fan who is
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01:09:16.279 --> 01:09:18.319
more casual and isn't thinking about it the way we
1434
01:09:18.359 --> 01:09:20.279
talk about it on the show, is thinking they're doing
1435
01:09:20.279 --> 01:09:24.239
anything wrong by reacting naturally to whatever inclination they have.
1436
01:09:25.399 --> 01:09:28.079
So it's it's it's complicated, But I still think the
1437
01:09:29.119 --> 01:09:32.119
peak experience at a progrestling show is when the promoter
1438
01:09:32.399 --> 01:09:34.960
is in alignment with the fans and they've pushed the
1439
01:09:34.960 --> 01:09:36.600
wrestlers who fans want to cheer in a way that
1440
01:09:36.680 --> 01:09:39.119
leads fans to cheer them, and they set up believable
1441
01:09:39.159 --> 01:09:42.920
heels and a storyline that people buy into that Progesssing's
1442
01:09:42.960 --> 01:09:43.399
made for that.
1443
01:09:43.560 --> 01:09:44.600
It's home team, away team.
1444
01:09:44.680 --> 01:09:48.720
It's not an HBO Netflix series, you know, where there's
1445
01:09:48.760 --> 01:09:51.399
all these nuances and it's a ten episode season. That's
1446
01:09:51.439 --> 01:09:54.439
just the processing's not built for that. It just if
1447
01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:55.800
you don't have to do that. Why would you do
1448
01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:57.239
that when you have the option to have the home
1449
01:09:57.239 --> 01:10:01.159
team away team dynamic. More comments of Becky, Kyle Fastl
1450
01:10:01.199 --> 01:10:04.039
says I'd rather at Becky is a heel, but Rude
1451
01:10:04.039 --> 01:10:06.239
Dog says Becky is Becky Lynch as a heal didn't
1452
01:10:06.279 --> 01:10:08.439
work before and it's not going to work now, especially
1453
01:10:08.520 --> 01:10:09.680
against the Chicken Lady.
1454
01:10:10.479 --> 01:10:14.399
I think Lyra is is likable enough.
1455
01:10:14.479 --> 01:10:17.319
I mean, I don't think like the idea that they
1456
01:10:17.479 --> 01:10:19.399
bonded and our friends and Becky turned against her. Even
1457
01:10:19.439 --> 01:10:21.119
people aren't into Lyra, They're like, but that's kind of
1458
01:10:21.119 --> 01:10:22.359
mean to what she did towards kind of like what
1459
01:10:22.359 --> 01:10:24.479
happened with the Eil Sky. You know, people weren't as
1460
01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:26.800
into EO. They were obviously respect her and like more
1461
01:10:26.840 --> 01:10:28.640
than than Lyra. Right now, there's more history there and
1462
01:10:28.920 --> 01:10:31.000
a bigger body of work, but they just were kind
1463
01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:33.399
of pissed off at how Rihey and Bianca were treating
1464
01:10:33.399 --> 01:10:35.479
her as subhuman and so I think that's what they're
1465
01:10:35.600 --> 01:10:38.439
going for here, you know, but it mays to be
1466
01:10:38.479 --> 01:10:42.159
seen how it works. Four Eyes Malone said, Yeah, this
1467
01:10:42.199 --> 01:10:44.640
was an indictment of the crowd, but also Lyra's popularity.
1468
01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:48.479
Then Ryan Solorios says, Lyra's a good wrestler but has
1469
01:10:48.560 --> 01:10:52.359
no charisma to connect with the crowd. Derek Mitchell said,
1470
01:10:52.359 --> 01:10:56.640
could Becky's turn be revealed as Becky's attack? Could Becky
1471
01:10:57.359 --> 01:10:59.479
be revealed as Bailey's attacker and set up a feud
1472
01:10:59.520 --> 01:11:01.600
with those two? Yes, I mean the announcers made it
1473
01:11:01.680 --> 01:11:04.760
very clear there's no evidence of living Raquel doing it. Nobody,
1474
01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:06.520
nobody has accused them of it, so why are they
1475
01:11:06.520 --> 01:11:10.119
defending themselves against it? And it makes sense because I
1476
01:11:10.119 --> 01:11:12.439
mean kind of like with with Naomi and Jade, Naomi
1477
01:11:12.439 --> 01:11:15.760
took Jade Spot, Becky took Bailey Spot got to be
1478
01:11:15.800 --> 01:11:19.319
in WrestleMania. So it that is there, doesn't mean that
1479
01:11:19.319 --> 01:11:21.199
that'll be the case, but it would make logical sense
1480
01:11:21.199 --> 01:11:23.640
even if it's a little, you.
1481
01:11:23.600 --> 01:11:24.279
Know, copycat.
1482
01:11:25.079 --> 01:11:27.239
Standard Deviation just simply said I didn't like the Becky
1483
01:11:27.359 --> 01:11:30.439
term at all. For as Malone said, the term white
1484
01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:32.920
meat babyface is what Libram makes me think of.
1485
01:11:34.479 --> 01:11:36.359
Joe Shmo says, it takes the wrestlers a while to
1486
01:11:36.399 --> 01:11:36.640
get over.
1487
01:11:36.640 --> 01:11:38.720
I wouldn't give up on Libra just because it's not
1488
01:11:38.960 --> 01:11:42.199
there now, and Standard Deviation said, yeah, whant it happened?
1489
01:11:42.239 --> 01:11:44.840
I was like, oh, another heel turned cool?
1490
01:11:45.079 --> 01:11:45.680
What evs?
1491
01:11:47.079 --> 01:11:51.600
So anyway, lots of lots of opinions on that. Kyle
1492
01:11:51.680 --> 01:11:53.319
Fassel just start right it, says, I don't. I kind
1493
01:11:53.319 --> 01:11:55.039
of just don't like Becky back. I'd rather have new
1494
01:11:55.039 --> 01:11:58.279
talent there. I don't agree with that. Becky is too
1495
01:11:58.319 --> 01:12:00.000
talented and there's too much there, even if it's been
1496
01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:01.960
a bit of a rocky road for her along the way.
1497
01:12:02.960 --> 01:12:07.960
I take her over both Charlotte and Sorry Bailey fan.
1498
01:12:08.039 --> 01:12:08.199
But.
1499
01:12:10.239 --> 01:12:11.000
Their fighting words.
1500
01:12:11.720 --> 01:12:13.920
Zach Barber says, We've seen Becking Lynch as a heel
1501
01:12:14.000 --> 01:12:16.760
before and it sucked. Doesn't mean it can't work, you know,
1502
01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:18.000
you can. You can't tweak it.
1503
01:12:18.680 --> 01:12:20.840
I'm not saying it can't work. It's just it's against
1504
01:12:20.880 --> 01:12:23.920
the wrong person. It's at the wrong time. Uh, you know,
1505
01:12:24.279 --> 01:12:27.079
it's just a lot of you know, and which is
1506
01:12:27.079 --> 01:12:29.479
funny because everybody, a lot of people are saying that
1507
01:12:29.640 --> 01:12:31.039
they would like to see her as a heel. Now
1508
01:12:31.199 --> 01:12:33.640
I've always been you know, backwards with the rest of
1509
01:12:33.640 --> 01:12:35.199
the crowd when it comes to back you. So I
1510
01:12:35.239 --> 01:12:36.600
which prefer as a babyface.
1511
01:12:36.680 --> 01:12:38.119
Now now that it is here.
1512
01:12:38.680 --> 01:12:39.960
All right, draw it back to you.
1513
01:12:40.039 --> 01:12:43.840
For anything else, I think you wouldn't have nobody to
1514
01:12:43.960 --> 01:12:47.560
go against, real threatening of the hill to go against.
1515
01:12:47.560 --> 01:12:48.439
That's why I.
1516
01:12:48.439 --> 01:12:52.600
Understand the alignment and going to the which would be
1517
01:12:52.600 --> 01:12:57.800
my last name. The women that they introduced today in
1518
01:12:57.920 --> 01:13:01.159
that match, you can see that they're trying to bring
1519
01:13:01.239 --> 01:13:04.520
people here because obviously they had Julia go for a
1520
01:13:04.600 --> 01:13:08.720
here because step in the back here became and who
1521
01:13:08.840 --> 01:13:13.800
came in not as talented as her, but overtook taking
1522
01:13:13.840 --> 01:13:18.079
her in that babyface field Rock saying who they've been
1523
01:13:18.119 --> 01:13:21.800
working as a heel, and I'm trying to see if
1524
01:13:21.960 --> 01:13:26.760
are they trying to match up Real and EO to
1525
01:13:26.800 --> 01:13:30.840
go against these two and spit them apart. But I
1526
01:13:30.880 --> 01:13:33.680
want to see how it works because those two women
1527
01:13:33.760 --> 01:13:37.880
are smaller than Real. So do you have those two
1528
01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:41.800
go after Real and then separate EO somewhere else or
1529
01:13:41.880 --> 01:13:45.720
start both of them together and see how it works
1530
01:13:45.760 --> 01:13:49.920
Superpower Mega Powers come together type of thing or something
1531
01:13:50.039 --> 01:13:52.319
like that, just to see and so you can keep
1532
01:13:52.359 --> 01:13:55.800
them off and refresh Real from the mistakes that you
1533
01:13:55.920 --> 01:13:58.640
made with her Mush and EO and people feeling some
1534
01:13:58.680 --> 01:14:00.600
type of way about her. I know she got the
1535
01:14:00.640 --> 01:14:03.640
loudest pop at wrestle Mania with her coming out in
1536
01:14:03.680 --> 01:14:04.119
that match.
1537
01:14:05.439 --> 01:14:07.560
Yeah, it's the mix of NXC Town's interesting and you
1538
01:14:07.600 --> 01:14:09.560
always look at it as Okay, is this just to
1539
01:14:09.560 --> 01:14:14.399
promote NXT tomorrow night, try to pop a rating sell
1540
01:14:14.439 --> 01:14:19.760
tickets or is it a strategic planting of a seed
1541
01:14:19.800 --> 01:14:22.119
for when they get called up. I mean, I think
1542
01:14:22.760 --> 01:14:25.079
the track records very mixed. You know, I don't think
1543
01:14:25.159 --> 01:14:26.920
Roxanne Perez is in a better position because of how
1544
01:14:26.960 --> 01:14:30.520
she's been used on the main roster. There's something, you know,
1545
01:14:30.640 --> 01:14:33.000
Kyle Fassel said in the chat, I think they make
1546
01:14:33.039 --> 01:14:35.600
all these new talents seem smaller by presenting them as
1547
01:14:35.760 --> 01:14:39.359
NXT talent as opposed to just calling them up and
1548
01:14:39.399 --> 01:14:44.399
having them presented full on his main roster wrestlers. Yeah,
1549
01:14:44.479 --> 01:14:46.039
I don't, I don't know. I mean, Harvey or what
1550
01:14:46.039 --> 01:14:47.520
do you think? I know you're not super immersed in
1551
01:14:47.560 --> 01:14:49.479
the NXT product right now. I mean there's a lot
1552
01:14:49.479 --> 01:14:51.479
of wrestling. It's tough for people to fit everything into
1553
01:14:51.520 --> 01:14:54.560
their schedules, even for me. I remember telling Dave Meltzer that,
1554
01:14:54.600 --> 01:14:57.159
like ten years ago, like you can't watch everything. Who's
1555
01:14:57.159 --> 01:14:59.399
feeling guilty. I'm like the baseball announcers don't watch every
1556
01:14:59.399 --> 01:15:03.279
baseball game, or journalists can't watch every baseball game that exists.
1557
01:15:04.359 --> 01:15:08.560
You know, there's only so much time for that. But
1558
01:15:09.479 --> 01:15:13.399
WWE wants to you watching NXT because one, it's more revenue.
1559
01:15:13.479 --> 01:15:16.000
It's this brand that has taken off as a as
1560
01:15:16.000 --> 01:15:20.039
a full fledged profit center for them, and it also
1561
01:15:21.760 --> 01:15:24.520
saturates is what I'm looking for the environment to take
1562
01:15:24.560 --> 01:15:28.359
away from from aew as does just promoting TNA, you know,
1563
01:15:28.399 --> 01:15:32.720
I mean there's all kinds of perhaps devious strategies nefarious
1564
01:15:32.720 --> 01:15:36.479
strategies in this, but in the end, what matters the
1565
01:15:36.520 --> 01:15:39.359
most of all is that their developmental talent doesn't get
1566
01:15:39.399 --> 01:15:41.680
put in a position that weakens their ability to get
1567
01:15:41.720 --> 01:15:43.239
over and have an impact on the main roster.
1568
01:15:43.680 --> 01:15:44.640
How does it work for you?
1569
01:15:45.119 --> 01:15:49.159
As you see these NXT wrestlers show up, show up, disappear,
1570
01:15:49.279 --> 01:15:51.880
show up, hang around, show up once and it's promoting
1571
01:15:51.920 --> 01:15:54.000
something on Tuesday night that you may not end up watching.
1572
01:15:55.119 --> 01:15:59.319
Yeah, I'm going to set aside Stephanie a here, Julia
1573
01:16:00.039 --> 01:16:04.239
are now just because they're they're like top stars outside
1574
01:16:04.239 --> 01:16:06.439
of the w W that were signed in and something.
1575
01:16:06.439 --> 01:16:07.479
I mean obviously not.
1576
01:16:07.319 --> 01:16:09.840
Not your every day not everybody's gonna know about them,
1577
01:16:09.880 --> 01:16:13.359
but I think that they have that going for them.
1578
01:16:13.920 --> 01:16:16.359
Uh and weekend crowd is going to know them better.
1579
01:16:16.199 --> 01:16:17.479
And they're going to know them for it.
1580
01:16:17.640 --> 01:16:19.479
Yeah, it's a good week if you're going to do it.
1581
01:16:19.479 --> 01:16:22.039
It's that the mainly after the Rottermania, it's a good
1582
01:16:22.039 --> 01:16:23.840
time to do it because you will convey to the
1583
01:16:23.920 --> 01:16:26.640
national international audience. These rests are a big time.
1584
01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:27.159
Yeah.
1585
01:16:27.359 --> 01:16:28.680
And they're at.
1586
01:16:28.279 --> 01:16:32.680
Least and and they had on you know, in on
1587
01:16:32.720 --> 01:16:34.439
the social media there there were a lot of pictures
1588
01:16:34.479 --> 01:16:37.119
of h and and they are they already that's the
1589
01:16:37.119 --> 01:16:39.000
fun of this. I was not surprised when Stephanie back
1590
01:16:39.039 --> 01:16:40.920
here came out because they were already setting this up
1591
01:16:41.159 --> 01:16:45.760
in social media talking about through interviews and stuff where uh,
1592
01:16:46.079 --> 01:16:48.199
you know, sky Woulds was Stephanie mc keeer's like, you know,
1593
01:16:48.359 --> 01:16:50.560
dream match opponent that sort of thing, so they some
1594
01:16:50.600 --> 01:16:52.319
of that was already talking about. So if you're like
1595
01:16:52.359 --> 01:16:55.319
really hardcore, you're you know, you're you're, you're, you're locked
1596
01:16:55.319 --> 01:16:55.800
in on that.
1597
01:16:56.199 --> 01:16:59.520
So that's gonna be a side a side thing.
1598
01:16:59.800 --> 01:17:01.359
But yeah, when it when it comes to like what
1599
01:17:01.399 --> 01:17:06.279
they did with Champa and and Gargano and uh uh
1600
01:17:06.680 --> 01:17:09.720
uh uh who was speeding Jade.
1601
01:17:11.640 --> 01:17:14.159
What's her name? The one that was that uh courjid
1602
01:17:14.880 --> 01:17:16.279
uh courage.
1603
01:17:15.960 --> 01:17:20.560
Aid Yeah, and and it doesn't feel like you've said
1604
01:17:21.680 --> 01:17:25.680
they're here permanently, so like sometimes it start showing up
1605
01:17:25.720 --> 01:17:28.439
like constantly, and the like is it permanent is it not?
1606
01:17:28.920 --> 01:17:29.159
You know?
1607
01:17:30.159 --> 01:17:32.600
And if it's not, like maybe don't like highlight the
1608
01:17:32.640 --> 01:17:35.399
fact that they're NXC because NX is the developmental brand.
1609
01:17:36.800 --> 01:17:38.520
Like I said, Seth here and Julian a little bit
1610
01:17:38.520 --> 01:17:41.239
different because they also you know, are learning language and
1611
01:17:41.319 --> 01:17:43.479
you know it's it's I can understand, like you know,
1612
01:17:44.319 --> 01:17:46.600
as long as they're not there for like ever. Uh
1613
01:17:46.680 --> 01:17:48.640
but yeah, I mean I I.
1614
01:17:49.079 --> 01:17:50.600
I I do agree.
1615
01:17:50.600 --> 01:17:52.600
I don't like the idea of like, you know, because
1616
01:17:52.680 --> 01:17:54.239
you just start seeing them and they kind of like
1617
01:17:54.520 --> 01:17:57.039
become like background noise for me. I think part of
1618
01:17:57.039 --> 01:18:00.279
it that was vicarious problem because she should it up
1619
01:18:00.319 --> 01:18:02.319
like a few weeks before she was officially called up.
1620
01:18:03.000 --> 01:18:05.960
So you know, I don't, you know, show them if
1621
01:18:05.960 --> 01:18:07.920
you want to show them, like sitting in the crowd,
1622
01:18:08.119 --> 01:18:11.279
that's one thing, but like them being involved with storylines
1623
01:18:11.319 --> 01:18:13.960
and stuff and crossing over and then maybe it's because
1624
01:18:14.039 --> 01:18:15.560
someone from the main roster is going to go over
1625
01:18:15.680 --> 01:18:16.520
NXT and wrestle.
1626
01:18:16.880 --> 01:18:18.840
I'm not fan of that because it does. I do
1627
01:18:18.960 --> 01:18:20.479
think that does lure them a bit.
1628
01:18:21.279 --> 01:18:23.560
But it does operatings for NXT and they like that too.
1629
01:18:23.600 --> 01:18:25.159
I mean, it is there's so many they're serving so
1630
01:18:25.199 --> 01:18:29.840
many different masters. Yeah, Drell appreciate the call as always.
1631
01:18:31.000 --> 01:18:34.039
Thank you too, Wade Harvey. I have a great night.
1632
01:18:34.359 --> 01:18:36.520
Thanks for your VP membership too, and you're loyalty all
1633
01:18:36.520 --> 01:18:37.880
these years, yes, sir?
1634
01:18:38.159 --> 01:18:38.520
All right?
1635
01:18:38.560 --> 01:18:38.800
Cool?
1636
01:18:41.079 --> 01:18:44.439
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01:19:12.960 --> 01:19:16.399
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01:19:16.399 --> 01:19:20.560
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1649
01:19:20.600 --> 01:19:23.319
super chats. Super chats a nice way to show extra
1650
01:19:23.359 --> 01:19:25.199
support for what we do. Appreciate that. I know that's
1651
01:19:25.239 --> 01:19:28.039
a YouTube thing. Reggie Brown earlier, Reggie, sorry, I didn't get
1652
01:19:28.039 --> 01:19:31.119
to it right away. He said, bring it up on
1653
01:19:31.159 --> 01:19:35.319
the screen here. Jay Winning, who so far has had
1654
01:19:35.359 --> 01:19:41.760
a better career Kofie or Jay Jay? Yeah right, I
1655
01:19:41.800 --> 01:19:45.119
mean the last the last five years have cemented that
1656
01:19:46.359 --> 01:19:49.319
new day felt like mid card comedy act for a
1657
01:19:49.359 --> 01:19:53.119
while after their turn. They have been elevated at WrestleMania
1658
01:19:53.479 --> 01:19:55.600
weekend and with a promo tonight.
1659
01:19:57.800 --> 01:20:01.720
But Jay is next is level above Coffee at this point.
1660
01:20:01.920 --> 01:20:04.159
I just had to consider a little bit just because
1661
01:20:04.159 --> 01:20:07.560
of the length of Kofe. You know, yeah, I'm taking that,
1662
01:20:07.680 --> 01:20:09.439
but I mean something.
1663
01:20:09.479 --> 01:20:13.399
Goffe had more singles than Jay, but when Jimmy was injured,
1664
01:20:13.439 --> 01:20:15.119
Jay wrestled and Jay was injured, Jimmy wrestled.
1665
01:20:15.119 --> 01:20:16.560
I lose track of how long that was.
1666
01:20:16.640 --> 01:20:20.279
But Kofe was definitely had a singles career, like a
1667
01:20:20.319 --> 01:20:24.800
full fledged singles run before a New Day, but never
1668
01:20:24.880 --> 01:20:27.880
got to the point even with his Kofe Mania run.
1669
01:20:28.000 --> 01:20:30.920
I mean the way he the way that ended Jay's
1670
01:20:31.039 --> 01:20:32.640
isn't going to end that way, you know, I mean,
1671
01:20:32.680 --> 01:20:34.560
I don't know. I mean, I I think I think
1672
01:20:34.560 --> 01:20:37.479
it's a pretty solid Yeah, well this.
1673
01:20:37.600 --> 01:20:39.960
I mean I do think this this weekend, of this
1674
01:20:40.079 --> 01:20:43.079
last feud with Guthu, I think that solidified it officially.
1675
01:20:43.840 --> 01:20:47.239
And I think the work he did in the Bloodline
1676
01:20:47.520 --> 01:20:50.479
is what led him to catch up and surpass. I
1677
01:20:50.479 --> 01:20:52.319
think he surpassed he had to catch up in the
1678
01:20:52.319 --> 01:20:57.199
bloodline story, he surpassed this, I think. I mean Kofe did.
1679
01:20:57.199 --> 01:20:59.319
I mean, Kofee madea was fun. But I just this
1680
01:20:59.359 --> 01:21:02.520
feels bigger than that and more sustainable, or at least
1681
01:21:02.560 --> 01:21:05.399
it'll be sustained by the booking longer. Maybe Kofey would
1682
01:21:05.399 --> 01:21:07.079
have been sustainable if they treated it that way.
1683
01:21:07.560 --> 01:21:09.560
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think it's just a different
1684
01:21:09.600 --> 01:21:11.319
criteria for you and I because like I'm also thinking
1685
01:21:11.359 --> 01:21:13.520
about like he's you know, Kofey's been a mechanic you need,
1686
01:21:13.520 --> 01:21:16.239
you know, so he's been an important part of like
1687
01:21:16.319 --> 01:21:18.279
shows and stuff, So I'm also factoring that in. But yeah,
1688
01:21:18.520 --> 01:21:23.079
I think officially for sure, with the last bit of
1689
01:21:23.119 --> 01:21:23.960
his career, for sure.
1690
01:21:24.079 --> 01:21:25.680
Now our truth is a different story. No one's going
1691
01:21:25.720 --> 01:21:26.600
to mess with our truth with me.
1692
01:21:27.159 --> 01:21:29.960
By the way, if you're watching us on demand after
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01:21:29.960 --> 01:21:31.439
the factor, you know, not in the chat. This is
1694
01:21:31.439 --> 01:21:33.199
a good topic to put in the comments. I will
1695
01:21:33.239 --> 01:21:36.319
read and I'm curious your case for Jay or Kofi
1696
01:21:37.079 --> 01:21:39.439
as the having the better career.
1697
01:21:39.239 --> 01:21:39.720
At this point.
1698
01:21:39.760 --> 01:21:42.000
And it's actually a really good topic to get going
1699
01:21:42.079 --> 01:21:44.760
in the in the chat area in the on demand
1700
01:21:44.840 --> 01:21:48.439
version of our live stream here. Okay, another great question,
1701
01:21:48.479 --> 01:21:50.359
Reggie by the way, I appreciate that and the super
1702
01:21:50.399 --> 01:21:54.079
chat of course. All right, so then Jimmy says, not
1703
01:21:54.159 --> 01:21:56.680
defending last night's main event, but this were after Mania
1704
01:21:57.039 --> 01:22:00.239
immediately makes me excited about the summer to come and
1705
01:22:00.319 --> 01:22:05.840
builds to Summer Slam big picture, Javier, is this one
1706
01:22:05.840 --> 01:22:09.640
of the better raw after mania's ever?
1707
01:22:09.920 --> 01:22:11.359
I mean there's times where.
1708
01:22:11.199 --> 01:22:14.159
Rafter Mania it's a lot of I don't know, I mean,
1709
01:22:14.319 --> 01:22:16.920
like there'll be a big moment and the crowd will
1710
01:22:16.960 --> 01:22:19.920
do something, but it also is sort of like we're
1711
01:22:20.039 --> 01:22:22.279
kind of we know everyone's watching and we will set
1712
01:22:22.319 --> 01:22:23.079
the table for things.
1713
01:22:23.079 --> 01:22:25.079
But this was packed.
1714
01:22:26.039 --> 01:22:28.439
I'd be interested in just like a an efficient chart
1715
01:22:28.479 --> 01:22:30.119
of like the big things that happened every year for
1716
01:22:30.119 --> 01:22:32.960
the past fifteen years on since Raftermania really became a thing,
1717
01:22:33.279 --> 01:22:35.800
and compare them. My memory is not good enough for that,
1718
01:22:35.880 --> 01:22:38.600
But how about you in the rofter Mania memory you have.
1719
01:22:39.079 --> 01:22:39.560
Yeah, I mean, I.
1720
01:22:42.239 --> 01:22:45.199
Think there might have been some more entertaining ones, but
1721
01:22:45.239 --> 01:22:47.680
that's mainly because of how far off the rails they went,
1722
01:22:49.479 --> 01:22:52.680
so not exactly, I do think this is probably one
1723
01:22:52.680 --> 01:22:54.600
of the better ones, particularly last couple of years. I
1724
01:22:54.600 --> 01:22:57.000
remember the work complaints that the last couple of raw
1725
01:22:57.000 --> 01:22:59.119
after Manias. They kept selling it as like, oh, you
1726
01:22:59.159 --> 01:23:01.520
never know what's going to happen, you know, and nothing
1727
01:23:01.520 --> 01:23:05.119
really did, and everybody was disappointed for sure. This was
1728
01:23:05.159 --> 01:23:08.920
a lot and not because necessary to the fans. I
1729
01:23:08.960 --> 01:23:10.319
know we've talked about them a bit, but it's not
1730
01:23:10.359 --> 01:23:11.319
like they hijacked the show.
1731
01:23:11.520 --> 01:23:14.359
They even though who was it. They apologize to Sena,
1732
01:23:14.399 --> 01:23:16.640
They apologize to Sena for hijacking previous shows.
1733
01:23:16.960 --> 01:23:18.560
Just just I mean that That just tells you the
1734
01:23:18.680 --> 01:23:20.199
kind of like stuff that's going on.
1735
01:23:20.239 --> 01:23:23.640
But yeah, Adam Kids said, possibly the best raw after
1736
01:23:23.680 --> 01:23:28.199
Mania ever. Jac Scooby said, a nice above average after Mania.
1737
01:23:28.319 --> 01:23:32.920
They have had garbage for a long time. Interesting note
1738
01:23:32.920 --> 01:23:35.760
any the Mario and Sonic fan two thousand, that's a
1739
01:23:35.760 --> 01:23:36.239
lot to read.
1740
01:23:36.600 --> 01:23:38.680
There were only three matches tonight? Is that some sort
1741
01:23:38.680 --> 01:23:41.239
of record? Yeah?
1742
01:23:41.359 --> 01:23:43.159
There, I mean there was.
1743
01:23:43.439 --> 01:23:46.079
I do remember because for a while there in the
1744
01:23:46.239 --> 01:23:50.840
in the dark days, I was actually adding up.
1745
01:23:50.800 --> 01:23:52.520
The minutes and I remember there was one.
1746
01:23:52.720 --> 01:23:55.439
A raw that I think had I think eleven minutes
1747
01:23:55.520 --> 01:23:56.680
or twelve minutes of matches.
1748
01:23:57.640 --> 01:24:01.000
Wow, jeez, I as Malone said, it's a best for
1749
01:24:01.039 --> 01:24:04.119
after Mania since before they started branding the shows with
1750
01:24:04.479 --> 01:24:12.359
that name, so there's that. Durell said, it's a pack show. Good,
1751
01:24:12.359 --> 01:24:13.800
but it's not something that lift you feeling like you'd
1752
01:24:13.840 --> 01:24:17.640
remember anything from it months later. I don't know about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
1753
01:24:17.880 --> 01:24:20.000
I think you'll people disagree with that.
1754
01:24:20.319 --> 01:24:22.960
I mean, well, we'll see how the Hammond thing turns out.
1755
01:24:23.000 --> 01:24:25.039
As if that's obviously is not gonna fall flat on
1756
01:24:25.079 --> 01:24:27.439
his face. But if it were, then yeah, we're not
1757
01:24:27.560 --> 01:24:29.199
to remember it, but that should be up.
1758
01:24:29.880 --> 01:24:36.720
Yeah, some votes for Jay and and Kofi. Ryan Solario says,
1759
01:24:36.760 --> 01:24:38.239
I think it's j but we have to see after
1760
01:24:38.279 --> 01:24:41.520
he loses about like Kofe just saying how much I
1761
01:24:41.560 --> 01:24:42.039
enjoyed Kovie.
1762
01:24:42.119 --> 01:24:43.199
Kingston said good fella.
1763
01:24:44.039 --> 01:24:47.840
Standard Deviation said Jay will be remembered as better and
1764
01:24:47.920 --> 01:24:51.000
that's what matters. Zach Barber says, the answer is Koffee,
1765
01:24:51.000 --> 01:24:54.119
it's try to actually move people to tears. Yeat is
1766
01:24:54.159 --> 01:24:56.479
more over than Jay. What do you make of that
1767
01:24:56.600 --> 01:24:59.479
argument that the crowds into the entrance there, Andy yeating,
1768
01:25:00.359 --> 01:25:02.680
I think there's a connection with Jay that people who
1769
01:25:02.720 --> 01:25:04.720
say that Todd Martin's among him or under rating I
1770
01:25:04.760 --> 01:25:07.199
think there's a genuine affection for Jay, and part of
1771
01:25:07.239 --> 01:25:08.920
it is his acting. Part of it is being part
1772
01:25:08.960 --> 01:25:12.159
of that bloodline storyline, and I think that's giving a
1773
01:25:12.159 --> 01:25:14.920
boost to something that, yeah, on its own, could be sustainable,
1774
01:25:15.359 --> 01:25:18.119
the yeating and the underdog storyline. You could plug and
1775
01:25:18.159 --> 01:25:21.239
play people into that. But I think Jay is a
1776
01:25:21.279 --> 01:25:24.520
really really good, progressing actor. Yeah, I mean I think
1777
01:25:24.600 --> 01:25:26.479
I'm a little bit more. I've moved more to the
1778
01:25:26.479 --> 01:25:30.399
middle because I think I was closer to Todd before.
1779
01:25:30.520 --> 01:25:32.840
I've definitely moved more towards the middle.
1780
01:25:33.399 --> 01:25:37.760
I'm also not of the you know, it's a lot
1781
01:25:37.800 --> 01:25:40.039
of things went right for him, so it was not
1782
01:25:40.239 --> 01:25:42.399
just I don't think he could have done it without
1783
01:25:42.399 --> 01:25:45.319
the bloodline story, without a lot of things, but I
1784
01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:48.039
think he also the kind of personality he is and
1785
01:25:48.039 --> 01:25:49.600
the kind of person he is and the stuff that
1786
01:25:49.600 --> 01:25:50.479
he's done.
1787
01:25:50.560 --> 01:25:52.239
I think also adds to it.
1788
01:25:52.840 --> 01:25:56.720
And I think he has deficiencies, but those are masked
1789
01:25:56.720 --> 01:25:59.720
by everything else going around it. And I think that
1790
01:25:59.800 --> 01:26:01.800
he it's one of those cases that was the right
1791
01:26:01.840 --> 01:26:05.039
person at the right time and everything just you know,
1792
01:26:05.800 --> 01:26:07.880
with lightning in the bottle, I don't think you could
1793
01:26:07.920 --> 01:26:10.399
have you could have, like there was a lot of
1794
01:26:10.439 --> 01:26:13.159
Luck also involved in it too, So yes, I'm not
1795
01:26:13.159 --> 01:26:15.439
gonna take any like you know, a big part of
1796
01:26:15.439 --> 01:26:18.239
it is credit to him. But also I don't you
1797
01:26:18.279 --> 01:26:20.199
know so so like I said, I'm kind of more
1798
01:26:20.199 --> 01:26:21.920
in the middle of that of that reaction.
1799
01:26:22.119 --> 01:26:22.960
Yeah, fair enough.
1800
01:26:23.880 --> 01:26:25.960
C Squared in the chat says Jay is the mix
1801
01:26:26.039 --> 01:26:28.399
of the Yes Daniel Bryant vibe with the chosen by
1802
01:26:28.439 --> 01:26:29.359
the Company vibe.
1803
01:26:29.399 --> 01:26:31.800
Interesting framing out that, Yeah.
1804
01:26:31.720 --> 01:26:36.319
There's a level of Danielson of Danielson to it. It's
1805
01:26:36.359 --> 01:26:40.199
just that Danielson was more charismatic and he was being
1806
01:26:40.239 --> 01:26:44.760
held down while Jay has definitely been uplifted by the company.
1807
01:26:44.840 --> 01:26:48.399
So Darrell says, Jay makes you feel like you'd sit
1808
01:26:48.479 --> 01:26:48.800
down with.
1809
01:26:48.760 --> 01:26:50.520
You and have a beer and y'all would be acting
1810
01:26:50.560 --> 01:26:54.439
like you've been friends for years. And Derek Mitchell says,
1811
01:26:54.439 --> 01:26:56.960
I think kofey Mania brought people to tears, like in
1812
01:26:56.960 --> 01:26:58.880
a video of MVP and chat Gasbar to see a
1813
01:26:58.880 --> 01:27:01.079
black doot to be champion see black representation.
1814
01:27:02.319 --> 01:27:04.920
It's funny the Jay drinking drinking a beer.
1815
01:27:05.399 --> 01:27:08.239
It's you sitting down drinking a beer watching Jimmy make
1816
01:27:08.239 --> 01:27:08.880
a full of himself.
1817
01:27:08.920 --> 01:27:10.239
That's kind of let's sit.
1818
01:27:10.119 --> 01:27:16.600
There, all right, you had to go there? Yeah, I
1819
01:27:16.680 --> 01:27:21.079
don't know. I mean, I it's I think different. I
1820
01:27:21.079 --> 01:27:23.279
I totally respect and understand different fans are going to
1821
01:27:23.560 --> 01:27:26.319
go This j thing was the highlight of my wrestling
1822
01:27:26.439 --> 01:27:29.560
fandom in this era, and I was in the crowd
1823
01:27:29.640 --> 01:27:31.880
or I love doing it and I couldn't.
1824
01:27:31.560 --> 01:27:32.960
Get enough of it, or I got enough of it.
1825
01:27:33.000 --> 01:27:34.119
But it still is really good.
1826
01:27:34.359 --> 01:27:36.039
And other people are gonna look at kofee and say
1827
01:27:36.079 --> 01:27:39.600
that was historically significant. He was, you know, it was
1828
01:27:39.640 --> 01:27:42.159
one of those situations where the crowd made it happen.
1829
01:27:42.560 --> 01:27:44.239
And I mean, I do think there's something about Jay
1830
01:27:44.279 --> 01:27:47.600
where it's you know, the where I rumble win was
1831
01:27:47.600 --> 01:27:52.279
a corporate decision, whereas Danielson and Kofe were sort of
1832
01:27:52.319 --> 01:27:56.640
just manifested as unstoppable. And so I mean, like I said,
1833
01:27:56.680 --> 01:27:58.560
that's why I want to hear cop. I want to
1834
01:27:58.560 --> 01:28:01.279
see people comment below on this if they're watching the
1835
01:28:01.319 --> 01:28:01.840
show back.
1836
01:28:02.920 --> 01:28:04.600
The important thing is that I think both of them
1837
01:28:04.840 --> 01:28:08.279
resonated for people with for different reasons, but they both
1838
01:28:08.319 --> 01:28:12.399
have resonance towards certain people where it'd be probably their
1839
01:28:12.479 --> 01:28:14.840
like favorite wrestling memory would be, you know, And I
1840
01:28:14.880 --> 01:28:15.880
think that that it works.
1841
01:28:15.640 --> 01:28:16.239
For both of them.
1842
01:28:16.560 --> 01:28:18.079
Yeah, yeah, fair enough. All right.
1843
01:28:18.119 --> 01:28:21.479
Another super chat to get to here from Zach Barber.
1844
01:28:21.960 --> 01:28:23.760
Why did they keep trying to make Becky hill when
1845
01:28:23.840 --> 01:28:26.560
nobody wants to do her? I want to cheer the man?
1846
01:28:26.960 --> 01:28:29.640
Is that too much to ask? Last time? That didn't
1847
01:28:29.640 --> 01:28:32.479
go well though, Zac. That's the thing, like the crowd,
1848
01:28:32.520 --> 01:28:35.880
It just it was uncomfortable and awkward. Becky was so good,
1849
01:28:36.000 --> 01:28:38.560
she was so professional. I think she was on the
1850
01:28:38.600 --> 01:28:42.159
right side of that situation with Charlotte, and yet something
1851
01:28:42.239 --> 01:28:44.840
went wrong, and I think that's why we're getting what
1852
01:28:44.880 --> 01:28:45.600
we're getting.
1853
01:28:45.640 --> 01:28:45.920
Now.
1854
01:28:46.960 --> 01:28:48.439
You can go back and say that he'll turn. It
1855
01:28:48.479 --> 01:28:49.800
was a bad idea to begin with. I know some
1856
01:28:49.840 --> 01:28:51.239
of the chats that you know she might want to
1857
01:28:51.239 --> 01:28:55.039
just help libr Valkirie get over. I think somebody said that,
1858
01:28:55.199 --> 01:28:57.119
and that was part of the part of the impetus
1859
01:28:57.159 --> 01:28:59.000
for her turning. Heel is she just was excited to
1860
01:28:59.039 --> 01:29:00.920
work with some young baby face to help get him over.
1861
01:29:01.840 --> 01:29:06.000
It didn't play out that way, but I don't you
1862
01:29:06.000 --> 01:29:07.800
know it is, but it is tough when you're presenting
1863
01:29:07.800 --> 01:29:09.680
her in w B Cannon over the weekend with her
1864
01:29:09.760 --> 01:29:12.399
kid and it's you know, the kid's adorable and all that,
1865
01:29:12.439 --> 01:29:14.840
but now that's Seth's heel. When they acknowledged in canon
1866
01:29:14.840 --> 01:29:18.560
that they're married, it's not like I don't know. I mean,
1867
01:29:18.680 --> 01:29:20.680
that's going to be on fans' minds. And it's kind
1868
01:29:20.680 --> 01:29:23.800
of like the awkwardness of her Nae Paquette and John Moxley, Like,
1869
01:29:24.800 --> 01:29:26.840
does Becky not have anything to say about what Seth
1870
01:29:26.960 --> 01:29:27.199
is doing?
1871
01:29:27.239 --> 01:29:29.159
Are we supposed to cheer her what Seth is doing? That?
1872
01:29:29.159 --> 01:29:31.800
That's awkward too. I don't think they should. If she
1873
01:29:31.920 --> 01:29:33.800
was against turning heel and everyone thought it was it
1874
01:29:33.840 --> 01:29:35.199
was a bad idea, but they felt they had to
1875
01:29:35.199 --> 01:29:36.720
because of Seth. You don't want to do that. You
1876
01:29:36.720 --> 01:29:39.279
don't want the wife to take up a step back
1877
01:29:39.279 --> 01:29:42.359
in her career to accommodate, because it'd be awkward to
1878
01:29:42.359 --> 01:29:45.039
accommodate the man, and it shouldn't work in reverse either.
1879
01:29:46.079 --> 01:29:50.600
But I'm I'm still not against Becky joining the New
1880
01:29:50.880 --> 01:29:52.640
Dangerous Alliance as I'm calling it.
1881
01:29:52.640 --> 01:29:53.359
Who knows if they.
1882
01:29:53.279 --> 01:30:01.039
Will, so anyway, there you go, Zach. All right, let's uh,
1883
01:30:01.600 --> 01:30:05.199
let's see here, what's going on. I'm trying to take
1884
01:30:05.279 --> 01:30:07.720
off the chats here, all right, Let's let's go to
1885
01:30:07.800 --> 01:30:12.359
our next caller and we'll go to Joe from New York. Joe, welcome,
1886
01:30:12.439 --> 01:30:13.800
good to hear from you. Thanks for holding what's on
1887
01:30:13.840 --> 01:30:14.680
your mate about right tonight?
1888
01:30:19.520 --> 01:30:22.840
Joe? You're there all right, Joe. We'll go back to you.
1889
01:30:23.159 --> 01:30:27.479
We'll go to gsn D from Australia. Jason welcome, Yeah, thanks, Vibe.
1890
01:30:27.479 --> 01:30:31.840
Good to speak to you too, Ben Havier, what do
1891
01:30:31.880 --> 01:30:34.479
you well? We know the companies behind Jay because you
1892
01:30:34.600 --> 01:30:37.479
her Triple H in that promo for w will say
1893
01:30:37.520 --> 01:30:38.159
we're going to put the.
1894
01:30:38.119 --> 01:30:38.920
Rocker behind you.
1895
01:30:39.359 --> 01:30:42.199
So what are your guys opinion about this? Because Jesus
1896
01:30:42.279 --> 01:30:44.439
is you know this is something that I want to watch,
1897
01:30:44.439 --> 01:30:46.800
but I actually don't want to watch. I went out
1898
01:30:46.840 --> 01:30:48.680
of what I went out of what. I went out
1899
01:30:48.720 --> 01:30:51.680
of my way to not watch the rock documentary or
1900
01:30:51.680 --> 01:30:54.560
the Restumani of forty documentary because I didn't want to
1901
01:30:54.560 --> 01:30:57.279
know too much about all the decisions. There's some things
1902
01:30:57.279 --> 01:31:00.479
I want to lead to the imagination, but I don't know.
1903
01:31:00.520 --> 01:31:03.079
Now this is look, you don't have to watch it
1904
01:31:03.079 --> 01:31:04.960
if you don't want to. So if you feel like
1905
01:31:05.000 --> 01:31:07.319
it's spailling too much of the magic, you can make
1906
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a choice not to. But men, you talk about taking
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the toothpaste out of the tube. I mean, they're really
1908
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going all in now, aren't they.
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01:31:14.159 --> 01:31:15.880
So I talked about this in the way Kellor hotline
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for VP members earlier, this new show, they might be
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teasing more than they're going to deliver. It's open for interpretation.
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You know, Paula Beck saying we're going to pull the
1913
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curtain back. Yeah, they're pulling it back. So you get
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to see what a booking meeting looks like. You get
1915
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to see what a promoter, booker, head of creative talking
1916
01:31:33.600 --> 01:31:36.720
to a wrestler looks like. But in the way Keller
1917
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Havelin earlier, I said, you know, there's had football coaches
1918
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in the NFL who tell a young quarterback who was
1919
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a backup and there was a veteran, or it's mid
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season and they're two and six and it's disappointing. You
1921
01:31:46.880 --> 01:31:49.079
might pull that quarterback aside. And but we're going to
1922
01:31:49.119 --> 01:31:51.800
strap a rocket to you. This is your time. We're
1923
01:31:51.800 --> 01:31:54.319
going to give you an opportunity. It doesn't rule out
1924
01:31:54.399 --> 01:31:59.560
the Cafe Fabe style storyline style framing if you want
1925
01:31:59.600 --> 01:32:02.920
that with yeah, but Jay took that took that opportunity,
1926
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and he won the rumble, he won the world title,
1927
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he beat Gnther. So you know, I mean, you can
1928
01:32:11.199 --> 01:32:13.199
break it down and find holes, but if if there's
1929
01:32:13.239 --> 01:32:16.359
a generic idea that it's sort of you can interpret
1930
01:32:16.399 --> 01:32:18.119
it two ways. We're gonna push you to the moon.
1931
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You're gonna, you know, be in a world time metro Rosmania,
1932
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or we're gonna strap a rocket to you by giving
1933
01:32:21.920 --> 01:32:24.319
you opportunities in a spotlight, but you got to deliver.
1934
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Maybe they're gonna be careful about this. I'm not gonna
1935
01:32:27.960 --> 01:32:30.359
condemn Levek for this, even though I think Levek is
1936
01:32:31.840 --> 01:32:34.960
wants to be popular on social media and online. He
1937
01:32:35.000 --> 01:32:37.039
wants to be the good guy and the Tony khnbattle
1938
01:32:37.079 --> 01:32:41.800
the nxtaw aw Wednesday War going back five years, you know,
1939
01:32:41.840 --> 01:32:44.720
that was a thing, and Levec wanted to be the
1940
01:32:44.720 --> 01:32:48.720
guy pushing small smaller indie stars and NXT and the
1941
01:32:48.720 --> 01:32:53.239
Black and Gold era, and and I get that, you know,
1942
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he wanted to be popular with that group of fans.
1943
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So I don't know, I have to wait and see.
1944
01:33:01.640 --> 01:33:03.039
You know, But I mean, if there's a booking meeting
1945
01:33:03.039 --> 01:33:05.439
and they start talking about how you know, we need
1946
01:33:05.479 --> 01:33:07.239
this match to go this many minutes and here's going
1947
01:33:07.279 --> 01:33:09.000
to be the finish because we have this plan for
1948
01:33:09.039 --> 01:33:11.239
the next week that is pulling the curtain back more.
1949
01:33:11.439 --> 01:33:13.560
But the fact is is everybody knows that stuff goes on.
1950
01:33:14.000 --> 01:33:16.359
The question is should WWE be in the business of
1951
01:33:16.479 --> 01:33:21.239
producing that that kind of content about current things. It's
1952
01:33:21.319 --> 01:33:24.720
different than LFG. LFG is about training people how to
1953
01:33:24.720 --> 01:33:26.520
be a wrestler, but it's not pulling the curtain back
1954
01:33:26.600 --> 01:33:29.760
on the movie you're currently watching or the TV show
1955
01:33:29.800 --> 01:33:32.920
you're currently watching. And I think those are differences, and
1956
01:33:32.960 --> 01:33:35.840
I hope there are differences that are being accounted for
1957
01:33:35.920 --> 01:33:40.560
in WWE Corporate when they decide to have a series
1958
01:33:40.680 --> 01:33:43.199
like this. Javier, your thoughts on what you've seen so far.
1959
01:33:43.960 --> 01:33:48.119
I mean, I'm interesting in the production, like you know,
1960
01:33:48.159 --> 01:33:50.239
how how they prepare for like the next town or
1961
01:33:50.239 --> 01:33:51.720
what they're going to be doing. You know that the
1962
01:33:51.840 --> 01:33:54.800
more physical aspect of it than I am of like
1963
01:33:54.880 --> 01:33:58.760
the storytelling aspects of that, like you said, of stuff
1964
01:33:58.760 --> 01:34:01.079
that's going on now or like just recently went went
1965
01:34:01.199 --> 01:34:04.119
went on. I might visit it later because I'm I'm
1966
01:34:04.319 --> 01:34:07.800
I really like how storytelling is done and like how
1967
01:34:07.880 --> 01:34:10.680
writers' rooms work and you know, whether it's comic books
1968
01:34:10.760 --> 01:34:13.520
or TV shows or what have you. And you know,
1969
01:34:13.680 --> 01:34:15.920
getting a getting a window into like that kind of
1970
01:34:15.960 --> 01:34:18.039
booking meeting would be interesting.
1971
01:34:18.279 --> 01:34:20.079
But not, like like I said.
1972
01:34:19.920 --> 01:34:22.800
Not like I don't want to know what's I'm assuming
1973
01:34:22.800 --> 01:34:24.880
that I'm talking about what's gonna be happening like next year,
1974
01:34:24.960 --> 01:34:29.199
But I don't want to be able to also extrapolate
1975
01:34:29.279 --> 01:34:31.800
from what I see and probably give it like sometime.
1976
01:34:32.319 --> 01:34:33.760
I'm kind of like in the middle, I'm both.
1977
01:34:33.800 --> 01:34:35.560
I'm both like it's something that's interesting to me, but
1978
01:34:35.560 --> 01:34:37.239
it's also not probably something I will make time for.
1979
01:34:41.680 --> 01:34:44.359
Do you remember when Hulk Hogan shot the world and
1980
01:34:44.560 --> 01:34:47.279
formed the New World Order, or when Stone Cold Steve
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Austin passed down in the Sharpshooter to break the hit
1982
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All Right, Jason, back to you.
1994
01:35:36.479 --> 01:35:40.640
I don't know because during the primo when Cody was
1995
01:35:40.640 --> 01:35:42.760
on the floor, you heard like a female rest saying
1996
01:35:42.840 --> 01:35:45.720
was someone saying, Oh, It's like okay, he's selling, And
1997
01:35:45.760 --> 01:35:48.319
that's sort of stuck in my mind. And then I
1998
01:35:48.399 --> 01:35:50.760
see McAfee get striked out and I love that angle,
1999
01:35:50.760 --> 01:35:52.600
and then I'm like, oh no, it's like, kay, he's selling.
2000
01:35:53.199 --> 01:35:54.239
I don't need to hear that.
2001
01:35:55.079 --> 01:35:59.119
Yeah, because like sometimes I'm like interested because there's some
2002
01:35:59.199 --> 01:36:02.600
matches where I I start looking for, like the communication
2003
01:36:02.680 --> 01:36:05.039
between the wrestlers, because I'm interested in that too, Like
2004
01:36:05.119 --> 01:36:07.279
how the you know, you know, when someone says something
2005
01:36:07.319 --> 01:36:09.640
to somebody. Uh, I try to I try to pick
2006
01:36:09.840 --> 01:36:12.159
pick that out just because I'm interested. Also, like how
2007
01:36:12.199 --> 01:36:13.960
they tell the story of ring that kind of stuff.
2008
01:36:14.359 --> 01:36:16.840
But yeah, I mean I get where you're coming from,
2009
01:36:16.840 --> 01:36:18.399
because like if I just want to lose myself in there,
2010
01:36:18.399 --> 01:36:18.840
I don't want to.
2011
01:36:18.840 --> 01:36:19.600
Be thinking about that.
2012
01:36:19.640 --> 01:36:23.039
And sometimes you'll you'll see it a or sometimes it'll
2013
01:36:23.039 --> 01:36:24.479
come through on videos like you know when you hear
2014
01:36:24.520 --> 01:36:26.920
like the other restaurant hit me and you know that
2015
01:36:26.960 --> 01:36:29.159
takes you out obviously because you're hearing this on on
2016
01:36:29.239 --> 01:36:34.359
TV and the audio copet. So yeah, so but yeah,
2017
01:36:34.439 --> 01:36:35.640
I mean that's kind of my.
2018
01:36:35.720 --> 01:36:38.840
Uh GIMMI should be I wish saying this gimmick should
2019
01:36:38.840 --> 01:36:40.680
be you can't hear me. I wish you would have
2020
01:36:40.760 --> 01:36:41.239
that gimmick.
2021
01:36:42.920 --> 01:36:47.159
Yeah, So yeah, Jason, anything else on that or what else?
2022
01:36:47.640 --> 01:36:48.000
All right?
2023
01:36:48.039 --> 01:36:50.720
So just quick look, okay, so let me ask you
2024
01:36:50.760 --> 01:36:54.680
a question. Right, you weren't too happy? Well I was happy,
2025
01:36:54.720 --> 01:36:57.960
but you were like sort of questioning what was going
2026
01:36:58.000 --> 01:37:00.640
on with Punk and Rollers and Rains and people were
2027
01:37:00.680 --> 01:37:03.880
sort of competing for cheers, competing for pops. It was
2028
01:37:03.920 --> 01:37:07.119
confusing people. But now that the story has played out
2029
01:37:07.199 --> 01:37:10.079
and we've got seth Rollers as a definitive heel along
2030
01:37:10.079 --> 01:37:13.720
with Paul Heyman, and we've got Brade Breaker introduced, would
2031
01:37:13.720 --> 01:37:15.600
you look at this and say that this was all
2032
01:37:15.600 --> 01:37:17.439
worth it in order to get us to this point?
2033
01:37:18.760 --> 01:37:21.920
So I will say the way I talked about it is.
2034
01:37:21.960 --> 01:37:24.479
I think that if this if Seth, then Roman and
2035
01:37:24.520 --> 01:37:28.560
Punk bashing each other was the only exception to and otherwise,
2036
01:37:28.720 --> 01:37:32.880
you know, steadfastly applied rule of babyfaces don't tear into
2037
01:37:32.880 --> 01:37:36.279
each other. And you know fans aren't made to choose
2038
01:37:36.279 --> 01:37:39.319
between wrestlers they like, it'd be worth it. I mean,
2039
01:37:39.439 --> 01:37:44.399
I think that this is again my idea, and what
2040
01:37:44.399 --> 01:37:46.840
you're saying isn't an unfair representation of what I said,
2041
01:37:46.840 --> 01:37:48.960
but it's not a complete representation of my framing. So
2042
01:37:49.079 --> 01:37:51.840
talked about it, talked about it a lot, so I'm
2043
01:37:51.840 --> 01:37:53.359
sure there are there are times where I talked about
2044
01:37:53.359 --> 01:37:56.840
it and did say this, But I often said, and
2045
01:37:56.880 --> 01:37:58.319
I said this at the top of the show tonight,
2046
01:37:58.600 --> 01:38:02.199
that that Seth Roman Punk Match wasn't created because people thought.
2047
01:38:01.960 --> 01:38:03.439
This is a great WrestleMania Maine event.
2048
01:38:03.960 --> 01:38:06.560
It was created because they thought we can tell a
2049
01:38:06.560 --> 01:38:09.159
good enough story with some negative side effects, which is
2050
01:38:09.520 --> 01:38:12.199
punk and people who love Punk and love Roman having
2051
01:38:12.239 --> 01:38:13.680
to kind of choose, and even Seth, who they have
2052
01:38:13.720 --> 01:38:15.680
to choose, obviously was cent turning. Hell, they weren't rided
2053
01:38:15.680 --> 01:38:18.439
about fans turning on him, but the process left fans going,
2054
01:38:18.640 --> 01:38:20.359
I like punk but I like Roman and who I
2055
01:38:20.359 --> 01:38:22.720
want him to go with. That whole match was designed
2056
01:38:22.760 --> 01:38:25.159
for where we are, what happened Saturday night and where
2057
01:38:25.199 --> 01:38:29.000
we are now. So was it ultimately worth it?
2058
01:38:29.119 --> 01:38:29.359
Sure?
2059
01:38:29.520 --> 01:38:31.000
But do we have to pretend it was.
2060
01:38:31.119 --> 01:38:33.600
Ideal the journey that they had to take, which is
2061
01:38:34.439 --> 01:38:36.920
Roman fans are standing OTC all over the place. Punk
2062
01:38:36.920 --> 01:38:39.199
people love Punk, wait to see what he does, and
2063
01:38:39.239 --> 01:38:43.000
now we spend months having to kind of watch and
2064
01:38:43.039 --> 01:38:45.119
go on conflicted. I kind of like Punk, kind of
2065
01:38:45.159 --> 01:38:47.399
like Rains. They don't like each other, sess saying bad
2066
01:38:47.439 --> 01:38:49.000
things about both of them, and he's a baby face,
2067
01:38:49.039 --> 01:38:50.760
and I'm sort of nodding along going some of that stuff.
2068
01:38:50.800 --> 01:38:52.000
It's true, we.
2069
01:38:51.960 --> 01:38:54.439
Just went through that so much of Punk's gimmick, it's
2070
01:38:54.479 --> 01:38:57.439
just people speaking the truth about him. I mean we had, like, however,
2071
01:38:57.479 --> 01:38:59.960
many months of Drew McIntyre doing that week after week.
2072
01:39:00.520 --> 01:39:03.000
Punk is pretty tough li But there comes a point
2073
01:39:03.279 --> 01:39:06.680
when you add that to Rea and Bianca before Bianca's
2074
01:39:06.680 --> 01:39:09.439
full fledged turn and EO with three baby faces in
2075
01:39:09.479 --> 01:39:11.079
the ring there, and then you've got the inter Metal
2076
01:39:11.119 --> 01:39:12.960
title match, where you know, we don't really know what
2077
01:39:13.039 --> 01:39:16.159
bron Breaker is. He was you know, obviously in a
2078
01:39:16.159 --> 01:39:20.479
holding pattern until the angle tonight, and then again the
2079
01:39:20.640 --> 01:39:24.279
other examples with WW where where they're kind of letting going.
2080
01:39:24.319 --> 01:39:26.359
Fans just pick pick who you like and as long
2081
01:39:26.359 --> 01:39:28.680
as you act for happy. So my issue was more
2082
01:39:28.840 --> 01:39:30.000
there was just too much of it.
2083
01:39:32.159 --> 01:39:32.840
In the end.
2084
01:39:33.800 --> 01:39:35.960
You can see the construction as you look back, and
2085
01:39:36.000 --> 01:39:37.279
I always said, as long as the angle at the
2086
01:39:37.359 --> 01:39:38.680
end makes sense, where we'd look back and go this
2087
01:39:38.760 --> 01:39:40.000
all makes sense, I would.
2088
01:39:40.039 --> 01:39:40.800
I'd be on board.
2089
01:39:40.800 --> 01:39:43.640
So my short, my too late but short answer to
2090
01:39:43.640 --> 01:39:45.800
you Jason is yeah, it was worth it, but that
2091
01:39:45.800 --> 01:39:47.960
doesn't mean there wasn't collateral damage. But you can see
2092
01:39:47.960 --> 01:39:50.079
what they said is everyone's going to be focused on
2093
01:39:50.279 --> 01:39:53.239
is Hayman going to be loyal to Punk or Rains.
2094
01:39:54.079 --> 01:39:56.239
It's not loyal to either. Now, I will say one
2095
01:39:56.279 --> 01:40:00.479
criticism I had of Sina's turn is he didn't explain everything. Now,
2096
01:40:00.520 --> 01:40:03.239
maybe tonight wasn't the night for it, but kind of
2097
01:40:03.279 --> 01:40:08.920
want to hear Hayman explain, yeah, Punk, you put me
2098
01:40:08.920 --> 01:40:12.319
in a bad spot, and or going. It doesn't go
2099
01:40:12.359 --> 01:40:14.560
back further than that. When when did Hayman make up.
2100
01:40:14.520 --> 01:40:16.000
His mind to do this? What was a rationale? To
2101
01:40:16.039 --> 01:40:18.960
turn against his best friend? Was it? You know what?
2102
01:40:19.199 --> 01:40:21.439
At what point did this become a possibility and at
2103
01:40:21.439 --> 01:40:23.239
what point did it become a plan? And what what
2104
01:40:23.319 --> 01:40:25.600
was the rationale for it? I want, I crave that
2105
01:40:26.560 --> 01:40:29.319
as a viewer, I want that same thing with Roman.
2106
01:40:29.760 --> 01:40:32.399
Is he mad about Roman disappearing after Wrestumania and not
2107
01:40:32.439 --> 01:40:34.479
responding to him and not being there at MSG and
2108
01:40:34.760 --> 01:40:35.319
leaving him.
2109
01:40:35.199 --> 01:40:35.920
To get beat up?
2110
01:40:37.319 --> 01:40:39.680
So I want that, and I hope we get it,
2111
01:40:39.760 --> 01:40:41.600
and I I you know, the storyline isn't It's not
2112
01:40:41.640 --> 01:40:43.479
time to fully judge it, And tonight wasn't the night
2113
01:40:43.520 --> 01:40:46.520
for that long style promo, probably but because they had
2114
01:40:46.560 --> 01:40:48.359
to introduce other things. But Javier, do you think we
2115
01:40:48.439 --> 01:40:51.000
get that? Do you think we get Hayman explaining why
2116
01:40:51.359 --> 01:40:53.199
he chose to turn against his best friend, why he
2117
01:40:53.399 --> 01:40:55.840
chose to turn against the tribal chief who didn't look
2118
01:40:55.920 --> 01:40:57.840
him in the eye and expected him to be loyal
2119
01:40:57.880 --> 01:40:59.319
to him. I mean, you don't want you don't want
2120
01:40:59.359 --> 01:41:00.920
him to make too good of a point where people
2121
01:41:00.920 --> 01:41:02.960
get sympathetic to him, So you got to make sure
2122
01:41:03.000 --> 01:41:06.159
the argument is paints him in seth as heels.
2123
01:41:07.600 --> 01:41:08.560
The well.
2124
01:41:09.039 --> 01:41:13.000
I don't I think he's gonna have a sympathetic reason
2125
01:41:13.119 --> 01:41:13.840
for doing it.
2126
01:41:13.880 --> 01:41:15.199
I don't think he can get away from that.
2127
01:41:16.000 --> 01:41:18.520
With the Punk thing, I think that they you can
2128
01:41:18.600 --> 01:41:21.319
do more, but they did enough that because he when
2129
01:41:21.319 --> 01:41:23.840
he when he turned on Punk, he said, you made
2130
01:41:23.840 --> 01:41:26.319
me choose, and so that you know, you forced me
2131
01:41:26.359 --> 01:41:28.079
to choose, he put me in a bad position. And
2132
01:41:28.119 --> 01:41:30.319
then that that makes sense to me why he would
2133
01:41:30.640 --> 01:41:32.000
decide to go against Punk.
2134
01:41:32.680 --> 01:41:34.760
And while he didn't say this, the.
2135
01:41:34.760 --> 01:41:40.920
Fact that the way that that Rains treated him also
2136
01:41:40.960 --> 01:41:42.399
makes me think that this is the reason why.
2137
01:41:42.920 --> 01:41:45.439
Now I would like to know, like I said, how
2138
01:41:45.479 --> 01:41:46.399
long is this in the works?
2139
01:41:46.439 --> 01:41:49.039
Because they've been they hinted on commentary, this is longer
2140
01:41:49.079 --> 01:41:51.279
you know how you know they even asked that on commentary.
2141
01:41:51.560 --> 01:41:53.199
So I'm assuming we're gonna get.
2142
01:41:53.119 --> 01:41:54.760
Something about it, because if they're asking in a commentary,
2143
01:41:54.800 --> 01:41:56.159
how long has this been in the works? How long
2144
01:41:56.199 --> 01:41:58.199
has you know has him and you know, has this
2145
01:41:58.239 --> 01:41:59.199
been going on for months?
2146
01:41:59.199 --> 01:42:00.000
How you know they didn't?
2147
01:42:00.079 --> 01:42:02.199
It doesn't mean and it doesn't mean his plan had
2148
01:42:02.239 --> 01:42:05.119
to be I'm gonna I'm going to low blow him
2149
01:42:05.119 --> 01:42:05.840
and then low blow him.
2150
01:42:05.880 --> 01:42:06.439
And he knew that.
2151
01:42:06.359 --> 01:42:08.960
Six weeks ago. But when did the resentment build up?
2152
01:42:09.279 --> 01:42:11.159
How did it manifest in that moment?
2153
01:42:12.479 --> 01:42:15.119
You know? And and does does hamand go? Roman?
2154
01:42:15.199 --> 01:42:18.279
You act surprised, but think about the way you treated me.
2155
01:42:18.319 --> 01:42:21.000
I can only take so much. You know, see him
2156
01:42:21.039 --> 01:42:23.479
Punk you you know we're best friends, But what about this?
2157
01:42:23.560 --> 01:42:29.279
What about that? Why are you shocked? Given the given
2158
01:42:29.279 --> 01:42:31.840
the position you put me in. So when I had
2159
01:42:31.840 --> 01:42:33.439
to choose between the two of you, and both of
2160
01:42:33.439 --> 01:42:36.640
you put me in that position, I I you know,
2161
01:42:36.960 --> 01:42:38.600
I all I started to think about is how you two
2162
01:42:38.600 --> 01:42:40.000
have been totally unfair to me. I mean, I don't know,
2163
01:42:40.039 --> 01:42:41.720
I mean whatever. You know again, I'm not going to
2164
01:42:41.760 --> 01:42:43.920
write Haymann's promo for him. He can do That's that's
2165
01:42:43.920 --> 01:42:47.800
his his gift, his genius. But I would I would
2166
01:42:47.840 --> 01:42:51.199
like to have that covered, you know. And I hope,
2167
01:42:51.560 --> 01:42:55.239
I hope punkin Roman in the Cannon of Ron SmackDown
2168
01:42:56.439 --> 01:42:58.760
that it gets covered. I don't care about some podcast
2169
01:42:58.800 --> 01:43:00.520
interview Haim it does like where I mean, I care,
2170
01:43:00.720 --> 01:43:02.479
but like that's not enough for me. I want it
2171
01:43:02.520 --> 01:43:03.840
in Cannon on the show proper.
2172
01:43:05.439 --> 01:43:06.479
Yeah.
2173
01:43:06.520 --> 01:43:10.520
But yeah, I mean I'm sure like I'm just using
2174
01:43:10.560 --> 01:43:13.000
it as for as an example, like if there were
2175
01:43:13.119 --> 01:43:15.359
nothing else from this point for and I don't believe
2176
01:43:15.359 --> 01:43:18.199
that I have enough for the punk situation, why he
2177
01:43:18.239 --> 01:43:22.439
would be trampunk. I can extrapolate why he would betray Rains.
2178
01:43:23.520 --> 01:43:25.960
I would like to know where the alliance, when the
2179
01:43:26.000 --> 01:43:30.840
alliance between Rollins and and Breaker happened, those would be
2180
01:43:31.239 --> 01:43:32.880
Those would be the main question I would have is
2181
01:43:32.880 --> 01:43:33.720
when that alliance happened.
2182
01:43:33.720 --> 01:43:35.880
And a sit down, an interview with Cole, sit down,
2183
01:43:35.880 --> 01:43:38.479
an interview with Kathy Kelly or I mean it just
2184
01:43:38.520 --> 01:43:40.760
like you could Joe Testator would be great.
2185
01:43:41.680 --> 01:43:42.520
Let's do a sit down.
2186
01:43:43.159 --> 01:43:45.199
And the other thing is keeping in like the details
2187
01:43:45.239 --> 01:43:48.600
that we watch that we look at if did you
2188
01:43:48.680 --> 01:43:52.199
catch Hammond's look when he was looking at Rollins. Wasn't
2189
01:43:52.239 --> 01:43:54.319
the same look that he has when he looks at
2190
01:43:54.479 --> 01:43:57.399
at Roman Range, which is, you know, adoration. It was
2191
01:43:57.399 --> 01:43:59.079
more like this is a piece of meat. You know,
2192
01:43:59.119 --> 01:44:00.960
this might be you know, that's kind of like what
2193
01:44:01.000 --> 01:44:02.399
I got for I.
2194
01:44:02.359 --> 01:44:04.159
Do want to say too, So, I mean, obviously I
2195
01:44:04.479 --> 01:44:05.880
crave an explanation. I hope we get it.
2196
01:44:05.920 --> 01:44:08.079
I think the storyline will be better historically look back
2197
01:44:08.119 --> 01:44:08.439
on better.
2198
01:44:08.479 --> 01:44:09.840
It'll be more effective if we do all that.
2199
01:44:10.720 --> 01:44:13.159
Another side to this, totally unrelated to that, is we
2200
01:44:13.239 --> 01:44:16.079
get to see a different Paul Hayman, Like Paul Hayman
2201
01:44:16.119 --> 01:44:19.159
with Punk is different than Paul Hayman on Commentary in
2202
01:44:19.479 --> 01:44:22.399
the two thousands, and Paul Hayman with in the Bloodline
2203
01:44:23.000 --> 01:44:25.760
being the subservient kind of the EVP looking up or
2204
01:44:25.760 --> 01:44:28.720
the spouse looking up at the politician or the president role,
2205
01:44:29.840 --> 01:44:32.680
you know, is different. And with Punk it was too
2206
01:44:33.039 --> 01:44:36.680
contemporaries or I don't know, I don't know what I mean.
2207
01:44:37.000 --> 01:44:39.760
Paul's fifteen years older than Punk ever take but you know,
2208
01:44:39.800 --> 01:44:43.079
best friends and that was a different dynamic than with Roman.
2209
01:44:43.119 --> 01:44:46.079
And so with Hayman, We're going to see something different
2210
01:44:46.119 --> 01:44:49.840
with Seth. And I'm curious if we get mastermind alfa
2211
01:44:51.239 --> 01:44:54.840
like not wise Man off to the side. But what's
2212
01:44:54.880 --> 01:44:59.079
a term Javier for Hayman being because Seth is an
2213
01:44:59.159 --> 01:45:01.880
architect and a revolutionary all those things. So a co
2214
01:45:02.840 --> 01:45:07.239
collaborator with Seth, but in a way that's different than
2215
01:45:07.279 --> 01:45:09.279
the dynamic with with Punk and Rollman. I'm looking forward
2216
01:45:09.319 --> 01:45:11.920
to that. I think Cayman wants fresh. He doesn't want
2217
01:45:11.920 --> 01:45:13.600
to do the same thing forever, you know, I mean
2218
01:45:14.520 --> 01:45:16.279
like with Lesnar. You know, he did all the lessoners
2219
01:45:16.319 --> 01:45:18.119
talking as an advocate, but we got to see a
2220
01:45:18.239 --> 01:45:20.199
very different and I'm grateful for it as a pro
2221
01:45:20.239 --> 01:45:23.000
wrestling viewer. We got to see that with the Bloodline,
2222
01:45:23.039 --> 01:45:24.279
and then with Punk we got to see a more
2223
01:45:24.319 --> 01:45:26.319
human side of him, including out the Hall of Fame,
2224
01:45:26.359 --> 01:45:30.680
which isn't canon, but it's not not canon. So what
2225
01:45:30.720 --> 01:45:34.000
do you think Hayman's dynamic with Seth and Broun should
2226
01:45:34.000 --> 01:45:39.319
because obviously Hayman is is in a much clearer mentor
2227
01:45:39.520 --> 01:45:46.119
role to Braun than he's had with anyone in in
2228
01:45:46.119 --> 01:45:47.640
in modern times.
2229
01:45:48.439 --> 01:45:52.000
Yeah, I mean like an architect type role. I will
2230
01:45:52.039 --> 01:45:59.239
have to go through my Machiavellian. I think it's more
2231
01:45:59.239 --> 01:46:01.600
of a Machiavelian thing with the look that he's been
2232
01:46:01.640 --> 01:46:06.000
giving and how I think it's more someone who's puppet
2233
01:46:06.000 --> 01:46:10.239
master be another one pub master who would be something
2234
01:46:10.239 --> 01:46:10.920
along those lines.
2235
01:46:12.560 --> 01:46:17.359
That's what I look up synonyms for puppet mastery. That's
2236
01:46:17.359 --> 01:46:20.119
probably was mastermind kind of fits.
2237
01:46:19.920 --> 01:46:21.319
It to me.
2238
01:46:21.560 --> 01:46:24.520
I'm thinking, I guess I would think more head football coach.
2239
01:46:25.039 --> 01:46:27.039
You know, bron Breaker comes from football background, and I
2240
01:46:27.039 --> 01:46:30.680
think Hayman will be I don't think they'll call him this,
2241
01:46:30.720 --> 01:46:33.119
but like head coach Hayman, like he'll be the guy
2242
01:46:33.800 --> 01:46:39.359
who handles the business but also the strategy, career advice,
2243
01:46:39.520 --> 01:46:44.720
career guidance in a way that's different than people saw
2244
01:46:44.880 --> 01:46:48.520
his relationship with Roman, or the more personal best friend
2245
01:46:48.600 --> 01:46:51.520
with Siam Punk or the more kind of loyally advocate
2246
01:46:51.600 --> 01:46:53.439
for the Beast brock Lessener.
2247
01:46:53.760 --> 01:46:55.399
This could be more football coach.
2248
01:46:55.439 --> 01:46:59.880
I'm gonna steer you and lead your your power and
2249
01:47:00.039 --> 01:47:02.960
your I mean, and eventually, obviously we're gonna see brown
2250
01:47:02.960 --> 01:47:04.840
Breaker against eth Rowlins in a big match when one
2251
01:47:04.840 --> 01:47:06.680
of them splits off from Hayman, and I don't know
2252
01:47:06.680 --> 01:47:09.199
who who is first. That's a thought for a different
2253
01:47:09.199 --> 01:47:13.119
podcast than another day, not the Night of Ryan Silarious is.
2254
01:47:13.159 --> 01:47:14.319
I think him and Seth are equal.
2255
01:47:14.399 --> 01:47:14.800
He doesn't.
2256
01:47:14.840 --> 01:47:17.279
Oh, he doesn't cower anymore like you did with his
2257
01:47:17.399 --> 01:47:19.279
other clients. And yeah, I mean that's what you're pointing out,
2258
01:47:19.279 --> 01:47:23.039
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with a VIP or Patreon membership. Al Larcher says Hayman
2269
01:47:56.640 --> 01:47:58.880
can be the offensive coordinator, kind of like that you
2270
01:47:58.920 --> 01:48:01.920
can be the offensive coordinator in the Dangerous Alliance.
2271
01:48:02.520 --> 01:48:03.800
Derek Mitchell says Paul.
2272
01:48:03.640 --> 01:48:05.960
Hyman's gonna reinvigorate Rollins's career Roman as a multi time
2273
01:48:05.960 --> 01:48:08.119
world champion and main inventor as the big Dog, but
2274
01:48:08.199 --> 01:48:12.680
became legendary as a tribal chief. What do you think
2275
01:48:12.680 --> 01:48:12.960
of that?
2276
01:48:13.680 --> 01:48:13.920
Is?
2277
01:48:13.920 --> 01:48:17.520
Is Rolin's career due to be reinvigorated or is Seth
2278
01:48:18.199 --> 01:48:20.800
gonna be kind of bogged down? Maybe what Hayman and
2279
01:48:20.800 --> 01:48:22.840
Braun are doing if if the focus is on is
2280
01:48:22.880 --> 01:48:23.600
too much on him?
2281
01:48:24.479 --> 01:48:26.640
Uh? Well, I mean I think I think they pretty
2282
01:48:26.680 --> 01:48:30.640
much uh you know, they gave us the spoiler. This
2283
01:48:30.720 --> 01:48:33.119
is gonna be the year Seth Rollins. He's one of
2284
01:48:33.159 --> 01:48:35.560
the things that that that he kind of like hinted
2285
01:48:35.680 --> 01:48:38.439
mentioned basically that this is you know, from between now
2286
01:48:38.439 --> 01:48:40.640
and December, it's gonna be Seth Rollins waight four seven,
2287
01:48:41.279 --> 01:48:45.560
uh with you know, I expect a breaker to be
2288
01:48:45.600 --> 01:48:48.039
in like the solo Soakoa role of like you know,
2289
01:48:48.079 --> 01:48:50.520
people waiting for the moment, you know, and excited for
2290
01:48:50.600 --> 01:48:51.199
him to break out.
2291
01:48:51.239 --> 01:48:52.640
And he's still gonna be as bad as he's gonna
2292
01:48:52.640 --> 01:48:53.640
be able to be there.
2293
01:48:53.600 --> 01:48:55.279
But he's gonna be on a leash and he's not
2294
01:48:55.319 --> 01:48:57.359
gonna you know, they're not gonna leave you know, bolla
2295
01:48:57.399 --> 01:49:00.000
loose now now and then. But I think it's gonna
2296
01:49:00.119 --> 01:49:03.560
like very similar to how they did a solo for
2297
01:49:03.600 --> 01:49:07.119
the year, uh, positioning him to the position to a
2298
01:49:07.119 --> 01:49:09.279
place where you know, he then turns on Rolins at
2299
01:49:09.279 --> 01:49:12.359
some point and we're here we go, We're again, We're
2300
01:49:12.399 --> 01:49:13.600
again predicting the breaker.
2301
01:49:16.720 --> 01:49:19.439
All right, Josh Mosas that's been doing great. People act
2302
01:49:19.479 --> 01:49:20.960
like he wasn't in the main event a night one
2303
01:49:21.039 --> 01:49:25.039
last year. This only helps. Also Seth had an ultimedia
2304
01:49:25.079 --> 01:49:27.279
cash now an all time Win looks good on a resume,
2305
01:49:28.479 --> 01:49:29.760
all right, Jason.
2306
01:49:29.479 --> 01:49:34.000
Beck, You well, what Haymon is set to doing a
2307
01:49:34.000 --> 01:49:36.560
recruiting brond. This is about a vision for the future.
2308
01:49:36.920 --> 01:49:39.520
So and it's it's more of like a collective type
2309
01:49:39.520 --> 01:49:42.359
of thing. So when Hymen was with Brock, it was
2310
01:49:42.399 --> 01:49:44.880
all about Brock. When Ymen was with Punk, it was
2311
01:49:44.880 --> 01:49:47.439
about with Punk b sticking up to the authority. It
2312
01:49:47.520 --> 01:49:49.960
was that had an attitude to them. And with Roman
2313
01:49:50.039 --> 01:49:54.880
Rangel was all about this specific family. Right now, with
2314
01:49:54.960 --> 01:49:58.159
Seth Rowlands because Rolands calling SOFS a visionary, it's all
2315
01:49:58.199 --> 01:50:00.520
about a vision for the future and the type of
2316
01:50:00.520 --> 01:50:03.800
people that they want in the wrestling industry. Because Seth
2317
01:50:03.880 --> 01:50:06.680
Rolins has gone on about how Punk didn't deserve it.
2318
01:50:06.880 --> 01:50:08.840
He just kept going on and on and on about
2319
01:50:08.840 --> 01:50:11.079
how Punk didn't deserve it. And he's talked about how
2320
01:50:11.199 --> 01:50:14.479
Roman Range has been selfish. So it would have surprised
2321
01:50:14.520 --> 01:50:16.600
me if Seth's speech that he gave to Hayman a
2322
01:50:16.640 --> 01:50:18.640
couple of weeks ago, that's when the wheels turned for
2323
01:50:18.720 --> 01:50:21.279
Hayman and made him think about what Seth was saying.
2324
01:50:21.520 --> 01:50:24.159
And I'm happy with that explanation. So now it is
2325
01:50:24.199 --> 01:50:26.920
about a vision of the future that they want to
2326
01:50:27.000 --> 01:50:30.199
create and they want to mold. So Hayman is kind
2327
01:50:30.199 --> 01:50:33.359
of like the mentor and Seth Rollins is the visionary.
2328
01:50:33.720 --> 01:50:36.520
And when Seth embraks Brian, he said, that's my boy.
2329
01:50:37.359 --> 01:50:40.520
So he's playing. He's almost playing like a more junior version,
2330
01:50:40.600 --> 01:50:43.960
if you like, of Paul Hayman. Now, like Hayman is
2331
01:50:44.000 --> 01:50:46.399
the mentor for Braun outside of the ring and sort
2332
01:50:46.439 --> 01:50:48.479
of in the ring somewhat, but Seth is more the
2333
01:50:48.520 --> 01:50:52.159
in ring one. So they're looking to put together a
2334
01:50:52.199 --> 01:50:55.239
group for the vision of the future, and there's no
2335
01:50:55.239 --> 01:50:57.920
doubt Becky's going. I love the idea of a dangerous
2336
01:50:57.920 --> 01:51:00.520
to life group. I love the Becky getting involved. So
2337
01:51:00.560 --> 01:51:03.920
we've got synergy with the two Hills. And I mentioned
2338
01:51:03.920 --> 01:51:05.880
this in the chat, but I firmly believe the next
2339
01:51:05.880 --> 01:51:08.560
person they should add is a Logan Paul. It keeps
2340
01:51:08.600 --> 01:51:11.680
them as Hills. Paul is the future. He said that
2341
01:51:12.079 --> 01:51:14.760
I like the idea of Paul interacting with more wrestlers
2342
01:51:14.800 --> 01:51:19.000
on a regular basis, plus just having Paul Hayman and
2343
01:51:19.079 --> 01:51:23.439
Seth Rowlands gloating over Logan Paul in an admirational way
2344
01:51:23.920 --> 01:51:27.479
that gives extra heat to Seeing Punk. There is like
2345
01:51:27.640 --> 01:51:30.760
Paul Hayman, like calling Logan Paul the guru. You know,
2346
01:51:30.800 --> 01:51:33.319
the guru social media. You know you have it all.
2347
01:51:33.319 --> 01:51:35.640
You're doing this, you have a vision. Just having Paul
2348
01:51:35.680 --> 01:51:39.560
Hayman gloat over Logan Paul would make drive Seeing Punk crazy.
2349
01:51:39.800 --> 01:51:42.760
It would add heat. Paul has already eliminated Punk at
2350
01:51:42.760 --> 01:51:45.239
the world rumbled if you want to get them genuine
2351
01:51:45.279 --> 01:51:47.319
hill heat and not keep them as a sort of
2352
01:51:47.399 --> 01:51:50.479
cool hills that have that sort of credibility and that
2353
01:51:52.000 --> 01:51:54.560
and a veterro lighted status where people have respect for them.
2354
01:51:55.039 --> 01:51:56.880
They need on the firm. Believe, if you put a
2355
01:51:56.920 --> 01:51:59.760
hill group together, you need a really dislikable hill to
2356
01:51:59.840 --> 01:52:02.239
keep that hate. And I can't think of anyone better
2357
01:52:02.319 --> 01:52:04.560
to round it out than Logan Paul. I think it
2358
01:52:04.600 --> 01:52:07.239
would be a perfect edition and a matchis their vision,
2359
01:52:07.479 --> 01:52:09.840
and Rollers could spin it as that Logan Paul is
2360
01:52:09.880 --> 01:52:12.199
not selfish because he doesn't have to be doing this.
2361
01:52:12.479 --> 01:52:14.479
He's the type of person that we need in this group,
2362
01:52:14.600 --> 01:52:17.039
and it just flies against Sam Punk. I think I
2363
01:52:17.159 --> 01:52:18.720
really like this idea of a group, and I think
2364
01:52:18.720 --> 01:52:19.680
all the pieces are there.
2365
01:52:21.119 --> 01:52:23.600
First of all, I'm curious if Seth wants going back
2366
01:52:23.600 --> 01:52:29.000
before the Logan comments if Seth wants to be like
2367
01:52:29.239 --> 01:52:31.920
does Aaron Rodgers want to be the backup quarterback to
2368
01:52:32.399 --> 01:52:37.520
a rookie and mentoring him but if needed, you can,
2369
01:52:37.680 --> 01:52:40.239
you know, take some snaps. I don't think Seth wants
2370
01:52:40.279 --> 01:52:42.199
that right now. I think they want Seth to be.
2371
01:52:43.000 --> 01:52:44.560
I mean, his promos leading up to this is I'm
2372
01:52:44.560 --> 01:52:45.960
going to run the industry. And I don't think that
2373
01:52:46.039 --> 01:52:48.199
was to be a player, coach or you know, a
2374
01:52:48.279 --> 01:52:49.720
guy whose best days are behind them.
2375
01:52:49.720 --> 01:52:52.199
But I'm getting behind this brown character. I don't think
2376
01:52:52.239 --> 01:52:52.720
they want that.
2377
01:52:52.920 --> 01:52:56.039
So and so we've got to have Seth as the
2378
01:52:56.079 --> 01:53:00.199
centerpiece leader of this group for a while. And that
2379
01:53:00.239 --> 01:53:02.600
gets into kind of a Roman versus Solo dynamic with
2380
01:53:02.680 --> 01:53:06.239
Bron being solo but Broun being much having much much
2381
01:53:06.239 --> 01:53:08.199
better upside and more potential for him. So just throw
2382
01:53:08.239 --> 01:53:09.720
that out there. I don't think we're getting Seth and
2383
01:53:10.159 --> 01:53:11.960
where it's like Seth and Hayman working together to make
2384
01:53:11.960 --> 01:53:15.520
Bron the next big thing. Not yet and maybe not ever.
2385
01:53:16.199 --> 01:53:18.079
Seth is going to be the alpha here. He is
2386
01:53:18.079 --> 01:53:19.000
in his prime.
2387
01:53:19.760 --> 01:53:22.600
Uh, he's dreaming, born to be the next one, and
2388
01:53:22.640 --> 01:53:25.399
he's he's almost telling Born to have patients for whatevers
2389
01:53:25.479 --> 01:53:26.840
if long term Born loses.
2390
01:53:27.199 --> 01:53:29.119
Right, Yeah, that's fair dynamics.
2391
01:53:29.319 --> 01:53:31.279
Yeah, that's the dynamic thing, fair enough.
2392
01:53:31.720 --> 01:53:35.279
So what do you think about Logan Paul up here?
2393
01:53:35.720 --> 01:53:36.479
I like that idea.
2394
01:53:36.600 --> 01:53:42.840
I mean, he's yeah, it's a good like what Jason said,
2395
01:53:43.159 --> 01:53:46.560
heal heat magnet helps keep that on the on the
2396
01:53:46.920 --> 01:53:51.039
on the group. I'm thinking Maestro could also be uh
2397
01:53:51.119 --> 01:53:54.520
what you'd call Hammond. That's a good one, you know,
2398
01:53:54.560 --> 01:53:59.000
because because you know, because I think I think different
2399
01:53:59.039 --> 01:54:01.640
from the previous versions of Hayman.
2400
01:54:02.159 --> 01:54:03.239
I think this is him more.
2401
01:54:03.159 --> 01:54:08.199
In control than previous So I think something along those lines,
2402
01:54:08.960 --> 01:54:13.720
uh you know, where is more is more of what
2403
01:54:13.800 --> 01:54:15.760
we're to expect for him, and and I think I
2404
01:54:15.840 --> 01:54:19.079
like my astro because it's it's less him doing stuff
2405
01:54:19.079 --> 01:54:21.479
and more like conducting an orchestra and all the pieces
2406
01:54:21.560 --> 01:54:24.000
you know together and I gues see I can see uh,
2407
01:54:24.119 --> 01:54:27.920
you know, Paul Logan, Paul being a good piece if
2408
01:54:27.920 --> 01:54:31.680
he's going to be a for that. So trying to
2409
01:54:31.720 --> 01:54:35.239
think who, Yeah.
2410
01:54:34.119 --> 01:54:36.800
I think Logan would be too much. I just I
2411
01:54:36.800 --> 01:54:39.760
think I think it would be there'd be just too
2412
01:54:39.840 --> 01:54:43.439
much going on. Like ruscev Is can be there and
2413
01:54:43.479 --> 01:54:47.119
not be ever, you know, just pulling all the attention
2414
01:54:47.159 --> 01:54:50.279
to himself, and I just don't think Logan could be
2415
01:54:50.359 --> 01:54:54.359
that person. So now you've got Logan competing with I
2416
01:54:54.560 --> 01:54:57.159
think he plays the same position on the field as
2417
01:54:57.239 --> 01:54:59.079
as you know Seth and Braun, and that's already won
2418
01:54:59.119 --> 01:55:02.479
too many except up for finessing it. So that that's
2419
01:55:02.520 --> 01:55:06.079
my concern, Jason, Jason with that co frond of that
2420
01:55:06.159 --> 01:55:06.680
or anything else.
2421
01:55:06.720 --> 01:55:08.159
And then we're running a long time. I want to
2422
01:55:08.159 --> 01:55:10.119
get the emails too, so just quickly.
2423
01:55:10.159 --> 01:55:12.279
The reason for Logan is that I think you also
2424
01:55:12.279 --> 01:55:15.159
want the dynamic of someone in the group that you
2425
01:55:15.279 --> 01:55:17.479
want the bad us in the group. People to picture
2426
01:55:17.560 --> 01:55:19.920
if the bad us got their hands on this particular purse.
2427
01:55:20.079 --> 01:55:22.800
So again thinking long term, just having Logan called being
2428
01:55:22.840 --> 01:55:25.960
the annoying heat magnet and people thinking, man, I'd love
2429
01:55:25.960 --> 01:55:27.880
to see by and break a spear this guy. But
2430
01:55:28.079 --> 01:55:30.800
you got that dynamic too. But I mean, but I
2431
01:55:30.840 --> 01:55:32.359
think even I know what you're saying with Seth and
2432
01:55:32.359 --> 01:55:35.880
Logan playing the same role. But again it's it's it's
2433
01:55:35.880 --> 01:55:39.920
about the heat. I don't I got that.
2434
01:55:40.000 --> 01:55:42.560
I mean, it's it's a it's a it's a compelling
2435
01:55:42.560 --> 01:55:44.159
point as far as that goes. I just don't think
2436
01:55:44.199 --> 01:55:46.479
they I don't. Yeah, I don't think it's too much
2437
01:55:46.800 --> 01:55:47.600
copy fair enough.
2438
01:55:47.840 --> 01:55:50.279
I think a good middle ground then would be what
2439
01:55:50.399 --> 01:55:52.840
you already talked about with Samy's end, because I think
2440
01:55:52.840 --> 01:55:54.000
Sam's en turning on Jay.
2441
01:55:54.000 --> 01:55:55.439
If they do do that will probably get a lot
2442
01:55:55.439 --> 01:55:57.760
of heat on him. And then you know, if he's
2443
01:55:57.800 --> 01:56:00.359
the he could be the annoying towerp be the.
2444
01:56:00.279 --> 01:56:01.640
Buddy Roberts and the free Birds.
2445
01:56:01.960 --> 01:56:04.800
Yeah, the guy who does a job and is obnoxious,
2446
01:56:04.800 --> 01:56:06.600
but not the world champion level guy. I don't know
2447
01:56:06.640 --> 01:56:09.920
how Samuel feel about that. Derek Mitchell says Logan's too
2448
01:56:09.960 --> 01:56:13.279
cocky to compete with Seth and the group. Standard Deviation says,
2449
01:56:13.279 --> 01:56:15.880
Bron's a young guy, but we don't need another. Uh,
2450
01:56:15.960 --> 01:56:20.600
Bron is a muscle brit says Wu Tang Oh. Sandy
2451
01:56:20.640 --> 01:56:24.359
Aviation says, I like Jeff Cobb for that role. So yeah, Jason,
2452
01:56:24.479 --> 01:56:31.920
anything else, Oh, I think Jason, you will still with us?
2453
01:56:32.159 --> 01:56:34.119
Okay, all right?
2454
01:56:34.159 --> 01:56:34.399
Cool?
2455
01:56:34.720 --> 01:56:36.640
So let me see if Joe is if from New
2456
01:56:36.720 --> 01:56:37.960
York is with us and We'll have to keep it
2457
01:56:37.960 --> 01:56:39.920
short because I want to come in under two hours
2458
01:56:39.960 --> 01:56:41.640
and hit a couple of emails here too.
2459
01:56:41.960 --> 01:56:43.359
Joe, are you back yes?
2460
01:56:43.680 --> 01:56:44.159
Can you hear me?
2461
01:56:44.479 --> 01:56:45.239
Yeah? Sure? Ken?
2462
01:56:45.359 --> 01:56:47.680
Yeah so sorry, sorry Barganta late. I got to keep
2463
01:56:47.720 --> 01:56:50.239
you short, but try to come in with a couple
2464
01:56:50.239 --> 01:56:50.520
of points.
2465
01:56:50.640 --> 01:56:51.000
Yeah.
2466
01:56:51.119 --> 01:56:54.399
I just want to say quickly that this WrestleMania Season
2467
01:56:54.439 --> 01:56:55.920
one thing no one's thought about at the end of
2468
01:56:55.960 --> 01:57:02.359
it now, but this was blackhausterard Best and the ww attitude.
2469
01:57:02.479 --> 01:57:04.520
I don't like their attitude. They need to be taken
2470
01:57:04.520 --> 01:57:08.199
down a peg here because they're acting like, oh, we're
2471
01:57:08.239 --> 01:57:09.359
setting recond revenue.
2472
01:57:09.560 --> 01:57:12.000
You're charging ten thousand dollars a ticket.
2473
01:57:12.359 --> 01:57:15.760
I mean you are doing that because you're charging over
2474
01:57:15.800 --> 01:57:19.199
the top prices. And they did not sell out this WrestleMania.
2475
01:57:19.199 --> 01:57:21.720
There was plenty of tickets available. They cut ticket prices
2476
01:57:21.720 --> 01:57:23.239
two days before the event.
2477
01:57:23.319 --> 01:57:26.119
And they should never do this again. They put the
2478
01:57:26.199 --> 01:57:30.720
show on Easter Sunday, Easter weekend. That is disrespectful right
2479
01:57:30.720 --> 01:57:33.279
off the bat. And second, you don't know how many
2480
01:57:33.359 --> 01:57:36.359
viewers didn't watch because they were family or a church
2481
01:57:36.439 --> 01:57:39.399
or whatever. That was just a black luster and whoever
2482
01:57:39.479 --> 01:57:42.920
did that you'd be fired. And not only that, I
2483
01:57:43.159 --> 01:57:45.560
did need to report that Vegas wanted them there Easter
2484
01:57:45.760 --> 01:57:48.760
because because they say that's one time that Vegas is
2485
01:57:48.880 --> 01:57:51.520
very slow, and they should have said, we do this
2486
01:57:51.600 --> 01:57:53.640
event for thirty nine years and we never did it
2487
01:57:53.680 --> 01:57:56.880
on Easter and there's a reason for it. And I
2488
01:57:56.960 --> 01:58:00.720
think it's going to hurt the overall final numbers because
2489
01:58:00.800 --> 01:58:02.159
I think a lot of people missed it.
2490
01:58:02.479 --> 01:58:04.760
Yeah, no, I think that's a fair point. It's a
2491
01:58:04.840 --> 01:58:09.680
you know, very big picture Wrestmania season being lackluster. I mean,
2492
01:58:09.680 --> 01:58:13.039
I don't think this is peak. I think the ultimately
2493
01:58:13.079 --> 01:58:15.800
seen of Cody felt like a bit of a letdown.
2494
01:58:16.920 --> 01:58:17.920
But it had its moments.
2495
01:58:17.920 --> 01:58:22.239
It wasn't awful, but you know, it's kind of in
2496
01:58:22.239 --> 01:58:24.359
the middle, middle zone. It wasn't worst case scenario, not
2497
01:58:24.439 --> 01:58:25.199
best case scenario.
2498
01:58:25.239 --> 01:58:29.079
Week the week to week shows feel like filler.
2499
01:58:29.720 --> 01:58:31.520
No, I mean there were some of that.
2500
01:58:30.680 --> 01:58:33.840
That's not good because they don't feel important.
2501
01:58:33.880 --> 01:58:35.800
They should feel important.
2502
01:58:35.680 --> 01:58:37.720
And they don't. And I want to say one more
2503
01:58:37.760 --> 01:58:41.359
thing with the rock, you know, people could say whatever
2504
01:58:41.399 --> 01:58:45.119
they want s USA Network. His two appearances got the
2505
01:58:45.159 --> 01:58:48.560
best rating. They got one seven's there where at least
2506
01:58:48.880 --> 01:58:50.920
the other weeks they never getting one threes and one fours.
2507
01:58:51.319 --> 01:58:54.520
And I don't care what anybody says, Netflix is those
2508
01:58:54.600 --> 01:58:58.239
ratings are disappointments. You got all those subscribers and you
2509
01:58:58.279 --> 01:59:01.119
can't get three four million people watch your show. That's
2510
01:59:01.119 --> 01:59:04.399
a weekly number that comes out eight days after and
2511
01:59:04.439 --> 01:59:07.239
they're not getting any viewers. They got no new viewers
2512
01:59:07.760 --> 01:59:12.039
going to going to Netflix. They basically they're not going
2513
01:59:12.079 --> 01:59:13.479
for the global number.
2514
01:59:13.760 --> 01:59:14.359
Sucks.
2515
01:59:14.680 --> 01:59:18.600
Yeah, I think there they didn't know what to expect.
2516
01:59:18.680 --> 01:59:21.600
But this is on It's on the lower end when
2517
01:59:21.600 --> 01:59:23.520
you look at the when you look at the global,
2518
01:59:23.800 --> 01:59:26.920
global nature of it. But you know that happened with
2519
01:59:26.960 --> 01:59:29.000
specton the Fox too. You know there's a certain of
2520
01:59:29.039 --> 01:59:32.079
adotoee fans and but I mean, I think people are
2521
01:59:32.079 --> 01:59:34.399
watching who weren't watching before because now people who don't
2522
01:59:34.399 --> 01:59:36.520
have cable but have Netflix can watch it, and people
2523
01:59:36.560 --> 01:59:38.199
who still have cable are watching smack Down.
2524
01:59:44.399 --> 01:59:48.159
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01:59:48.239 --> 01:59:52.159
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01:59:52.279 --> 01:59:55.720
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2528
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2529
02:00:01.279 --> 02:00:04.520
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2531
02:00:14.560 --> 02:00:17.319
And you said one more, You said one thing about
2532
02:00:17.520 --> 02:00:19.640
Triple H wanting to be liked. Well, he did a
2533
02:00:19.720 --> 02:00:22.680
lot of things this week that will not make people
2534
02:00:22.800 --> 02:00:24.800
like him. One was when he told fans if you're
2535
02:00:24.840 --> 02:00:27.479
not eating, you're not a real fan and you don't count.
2536
02:00:27.840 --> 02:00:30.800
And two why the hell did he have a forty
2537
02:00:30.880 --> 02:00:33.960
five minute Hall of Fame? And the other thing I
2538
02:00:34.000 --> 02:00:37.159
want to say about how dare they put the Hall
2539
02:00:37.199 --> 02:00:40.640
of Fame on the East Coast at one am? How
2540
02:00:40.720 --> 02:00:44.119
disrespectful is that? And I don't go back and watch.
2541
02:00:44.199 --> 02:00:48.159
I think that's one of the biggest misconceptions that people
2542
02:00:48.199 --> 02:00:50.000
go back and watch. If I don't watch it live,
2543
02:00:50.359 --> 02:00:51.199
I don't watch it.
2544
02:00:52.000 --> 02:00:55.359
All Rightill appreciate your thoughts night, Yeah, appreciate it. Yep.
2545
02:00:55.840 --> 02:00:58.319
Have you here anything about say quick about Jill's points?
2546
02:00:58.760 --> 02:01:03.840
No? No, probably a couple, all right.
2547
02:01:04.880 --> 02:01:08.279
Dan, Dan m a VIP members says in storyline was
2548
02:01:08.359 --> 02:01:11.079
Michael Cole provocatively saying I wasn't the one who tapped
2549
02:01:11.079 --> 02:01:14.880
out to the deserving of getting choked out or shout.
2550
02:01:15.279 --> 02:01:17.159
Didn't come across as a sort of thing announcement with
2551
02:01:17.239 --> 02:01:19.800
any integrity would genuinely say to a wrestler or in
2552
02:01:19.840 --> 02:01:25.520
shoot terms to a USC fighter. Yeah, I mean, I
2553
02:01:25.520 --> 02:01:31.359
mean this goonther was provoked. I think there there is
2554
02:01:31.479 --> 02:01:33.960
absolutely a case to be made that that McAfee and
2555
02:01:34.159 --> 02:01:38.560
and Cole went way too far in not in being
2556
02:01:38.680 --> 02:01:44.359
biased toward a wrestler, therefore against another wrestler. You know,
2557
02:01:44.399 --> 02:01:45.960
the idea that they get wrapped up in it and
2558
02:01:46.000 --> 02:01:48.239
then they kind of compose themselves is one thing, But
2559
02:01:48.279 --> 02:01:49.920
they get wrapped up in it and then get wrapped
2560
02:01:49.960 --> 02:01:51.239
up in it and then get wrapped up to it
2561
02:01:51.439 --> 02:01:54.359
in it and being so proud, and I mean they
2562
02:01:54.359 --> 02:01:56.239
basically were like family in the front row, you know,
2563
02:01:56.399 --> 02:02:00.039
noxious frat buddies with Jay and I'm you know, but
2564
02:02:00.079 --> 02:02:02.239
the fact is, this crowd was totally behind McAfee Cole
2565
02:02:02.319 --> 02:02:05.279
channing for Coal. They love Jay and they love that
2566
02:02:05.279 --> 02:02:07.880
they love Jay. I mean, I don't I'm conflicted on this,
2567
02:02:07.920 --> 02:02:09.399
but I get I get what Dan's saying.
2568
02:02:09.439 --> 02:02:14.079
Have here, jehmen, he has a he has a good point.
2569
02:02:14.439 --> 02:02:17.760
He shouldn't have shot the guy in the head for it, you.
2570
02:02:17.680 --> 02:02:22.479
Know, yeah, that's yes. Can take it up with management, Yes,
2571
02:02:23.600 --> 02:02:25.720
all right, JB. And Detroit says what had been the
2572
02:02:25.720 --> 02:02:28.279
strength of Debby for over the last few years post
2573
02:02:28.359 --> 02:02:30.239
Vince for crowds that got behind everything that would be
2574
02:02:30.279 --> 02:02:34.159
fed to them and reacted appropriately because the strong booking
2575
02:02:34.199 --> 02:02:37.000
made sense and was strong. Lately, particularly tonight, it feels
2576
02:02:37.000 --> 02:02:39.279
as though the crowds are revolting against ankles and storylines,
2577
02:02:39.279 --> 02:02:41.079
and I don't think it's a coincidence that it's coinciding
2578
02:02:41.079 --> 02:02:43.560
with what I'd considered to be lackluster booking at best.
2579
02:02:43.880 --> 02:02:46.039
I think that evidence of this was immediate when a
2580
02:02:46.039 --> 02:02:48.000
returning back he was greeted with some booze before her
2581
02:02:48.159 --> 02:02:50.720
quote heel turned tonight and then got cheered during the turn.
2582
02:02:51.000 --> 02:02:53.279
I'd argue that this came from stealing bailey spot in
2583
02:02:53.319 --> 02:02:55.479
the Manium match, which in my opinion, was a completely
2584
02:02:55.520 --> 02:02:58.119
unncessary way to open a storyline, not to see it
2585
02:02:58.159 --> 02:03:00.920
play out. I mean damages, and I know people feel
2586
02:03:00.920 --> 02:03:02.880
that way, but if this is to set up, you know,
2587
02:03:02.960 --> 02:03:04.840
something for Bailey to get, you know, spark of fire
2588
02:03:04.880 --> 02:03:06.319
on her as a baby face, that can be good
2589
02:03:06.319 --> 02:03:08.680
for her, So I don't I mean, how are we
2590
02:03:08.720 --> 02:03:09.800
cover that a decent amount?
2591
02:03:09.800 --> 02:03:10.319
Anything you want to.
2592
02:03:10.319 --> 02:03:14.039
Add now, just wait to see on what happens for this?
2593
02:03:14.079 --> 02:03:15.760
Why not yeap on number two?
2594
02:03:15.800 --> 02:03:17.680
I don't feel as ill Libra val carriers being elevated
2595
02:03:17.720 --> 02:03:19.560
by these interactions with Bailey and Becky. If anything, I
2596
02:03:19.560 --> 02:03:21.359
feel as though she's being overshadowed. I will say that
2597
02:03:21.399 --> 02:03:23.079
I think she shares some blame on this along with
2598
02:03:23.079 --> 02:03:26.800
the booking Lyra two belts also feels like a derivative afterthought.
2599
02:03:26.359 --> 02:03:26.880
Of a nickname.
2600
02:03:26.920 --> 02:03:29.039
I'm not sure she'll get the major face reaction now
2601
02:03:29.039 --> 02:03:31.560
that Becky will likely act like a cool heel in
2602
02:03:31.600 --> 02:03:35.880
my opinion, so cover that too. I kind of feel
2603
02:03:35.880 --> 02:03:37.319
as tho it would have had a greater impact if
2604
02:03:37.680 --> 02:03:40.039
simply returned as a heel attacking Bailey or Lira rather
2605
02:03:40.079 --> 02:03:42.800
than this random one day take title heel turn.
2606
02:03:42.840 --> 02:03:45.199
What do you think of that? How of your Yeah?
2607
02:03:45.279 --> 02:03:48.000
I mean, I think this is the worst way they
2608
02:03:48.000 --> 02:03:51.000
could have done it pretty much. I just I didn't
2609
02:03:51.039 --> 02:03:55.439
like the way that that because ultimately they damaged Valkia.
2610
02:03:55.720 --> 02:03:58.840
So if they don't hear a Ballcaria, then fine, how.
2611
02:03:58.680 --> 02:03:59.760
Many heel turns over Emania.
2612
02:03:59.760 --> 02:04:03.479
We can it is too many subject for another day.
2613
02:04:03.800 --> 02:04:05.600
I think it might be time for Dom's face run
2614
02:04:05.600 --> 02:04:07.319
against Heal Finn. Not that I think there isn't more
2615
02:04:07.359 --> 02:04:08.760
to get out of heel Dom, but I think that
2616
02:04:09.159 --> 02:04:11.479
the natural headwind that they'll be fighting will be too
2617
02:04:11.479 --> 02:04:14.960
strong to bother fighting Dom Big Pop the rest many
2618
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weekend coming out, especially when he won. How do you
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explain the Dom the love for Dom?
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Uh?
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My brother came up with something with Chad Gable, But
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I think also it kind of fits almost every single wrestler,
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is that you have a wrestler who's a heel turns
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into a comedic aspect of it, people start liking it,
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02:04:36.079 --> 02:04:39.239
and then he becomes a baby face, uh, you know,
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and that that's we're at that point I think with
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with Dom, and I think people respect enough of the
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work that he's done.
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They they like his his.
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His uh.
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Committed to the bit. You know, it's watching just the
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social stuff. I'm like, I'm like, are they dating for
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because they're like, you know, a lot, They've put a
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lot of social between him and live out out there
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and it's just been entertaining. And I think I think
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people really are ready to like cheer cheer them on.
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Should we expect a draft in the next month or two.
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I don't know either way. I don't think there's news
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on that.
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I think the idea was probably, but yeah, probably after
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backlash is the time to start expecting news on that.
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Finally, brief answer to this.
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I love Gunther, but I'd be lying if I said
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02:05:25.680 --> 02:05:27.520
it wasn't a bit concerned as to the direction they'll
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02:05:27.520 --> 02:05:28.439
take him without the belt.
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02:05:28.439 --> 02:05:29.560
He's basically held the ic.
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02:05:30.079 --> 02:05:32.760
Ice A World title the majority of his main roster run,
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02:05:32.800 --> 02:05:34.399
and he does seem like the type of character whose
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02:05:34.439 --> 02:05:36.319
gimmick works best holding a title.
2650
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I kind of have to agree with that.
2651
02:05:40.079 --> 02:05:44.479
He's always had long title rans UK Champion for like ever.
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02:05:45.600 --> 02:05:45.960
Yeah.
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02:05:46.479 --> 02:05:50.279
Yeah, as a concern, Yeah, and I understand why they're
2654
02:05:50.279 --> 02:05:51.680
going to do it, But I can't say I'm intrigued
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with the Sino Orton title feud in twenty twenty five.
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Have here.
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It's just one of his last matches and they have
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history together. Just one that one last time, one last.
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