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Well, our guest today is not only a good
friend and my personal animation coach,
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but he's one of the most accomplished
coaches in the entire genre.
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Everett Oliver has worked on primetime
shows, including The Simpsons, King of the
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Hill, feature films like Men in Black,
Jackie Chan Adventures.
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He's worked with Disney.
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He's worked with Columbia TriStar.
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He's worked with stars.
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And I guess the one strike on his resume
is he's worked with me as well.
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I say that to kid him.
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He is one of the greatest coaches in
animation today.
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In fact, the way I found Everett Oliver
was when Dave Fennoy mentioned to me, he
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said, if you're going to go into animation
or seek any animation work, Everett Oliver
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is the best in the business.
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And I still believe that to this day.
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Please welcome my good friend and coach
Everett Oliver.
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Man, it's good to see you.
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Thank you, it's good to see you too.
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I didn't hear anything out of the crowd in
my head.
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You know I hear things.
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Yeah.
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Only me, only me.
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I tell you, I entertain myself.
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I've been looking forward to today for a
long time because I mentioned this to you
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when we were getting ready to go on
camera.
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The last time I saw you was almost a year
ago.
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You blew through the room in Dallas at One
Voice.
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And, you know, as you like to say, that
color works for you.
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And then he was gone, right?
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Like just a puff of smoke.
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So we didn't get a chance to chat a whole
lot.
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And so I've been looking forward to this
for a long time.
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We've coached together.
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We've hung out together.
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We've had drinks together.
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But yeah.
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And I honestly, I don't know a ton about
your story, right?
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I mean, people obviously recommended you
highly, people that I respect like Dave
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Fennoy and others.
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But I don't know.
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a whole lot about your story, how it
started and how you got here.
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So let's start there.
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I know you're a native New Yorker.
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I know you spent a cup of coffee in my
hometown, Richmond, Virginia, spent time
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in Georgia, and now you're kind of bi
-coastal, right?
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Alternating between New York and LA.
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Where did you start in this crazy
business, Everett?
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I started here.
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I actually started here in LA.
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I'm actually going on 30 years in the
business.
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I know, I know.
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I can see the little gray hairs.
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I trimmed that stuff yesterday.
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So 30 years, I started in animation
production.
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I'm basically like a sponge.
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I get bored easily.
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I watch people, I watch behaviors.
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I don't watch my own work, what I worked
on.
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But I've worked in casting.
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I worked in development.
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I've worked in post -production and
animation.
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I've worked at a talent agency, directed
actors on auditions.
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I'm going on as of next week, I would have
been eight years.
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I'm running my own business.
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I am.
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Thank you.
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by coastal.
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I'm heading back East for about three
months.
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So how I really just started this is just
basically a string of luck.
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Being really wise.
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and soaking up stuff, really, really
soaking up stuff like a sponge and not
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knowing what I really.
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anticipated as to what I was going to do
in LA.
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Like I had a big thing of, you know,
everybody thought I was going to come out
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here and be an actor because I'm so
animated.
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I wanted to work in live TV.
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It didn't end up that way.
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All of my friends who I went to college
with were still around.
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They've worked in live TV.
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So I thought, I'll go work in live TV with
actors or produce.
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And then it just so happens I just
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ended up at Film Roman, their first
animation company.
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And people generally just liked me.
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I had a little Southern accent.
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My little Southern charm.
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Yes, ma 'am.
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Yes, sir.
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That didn't go along real well.
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And I was just so nice and polite and just
naive and didn't know what was happening.
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And just opportunity presented itself.
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worked with, didn't realize that I was
working with top voice actors and top
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voice directors and top animation shows
and producers.
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And looking at it now, I'm very, very
fortunate.
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Yes, I still have my bumpy roads and
stuff.
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And I've decided to just take a clear path
on
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on figuring out, I'm still figuring out
what's the next, I'm calling it the next
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phase in my life of what I want to do.
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Because there's more phases that I still
want to do.
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And I'm learning from different coaches,
you know, expressions and sayings.
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What doesn't serve me, I cut out.
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I'm a straight shooter.
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And I do personal appearances.
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I love popping in and popping out.
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You've got three seconds really to impress
me and tell me your life story.
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And what's scary enough is I retain it
all.
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And then I can move on to the next person.
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Because there's so many people I need to
see and check up on.
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You're breathing?
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You're doing great?
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What's wrong?
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What's the problem?
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What you need?
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You need to come see me.
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We need to schedule this meeting so I can
get you all on the right path.
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So that's me and I'm in trouble.
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I know.
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I know what my purpose in life is.
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I know what I'm here to do.
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I gotta tell you, when I saw you last year
in Dallas at One Voice, I turned around
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and it was Saturday evening, it was the
evening of the One Voice Awards, everybody
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was all dressed up.
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I turned around and Everett's here and I
was elated.
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And I turned back around and Everett was
gone.
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You, that might've been the greatest Irish
goodbye in history, right?
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You just, it was almost like in a cloud of
smoke.
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You just, you just disappeared.
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Mm -hmm.
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worked for, you were a booth director for
a talent agency for several years.
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And I've always wanted to talk to you
about that because we've never discussed
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it.
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What did you learn in those years about
both sides of the glass, about both being
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a booth director and about an actor,
right?
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What they go through on their side of the
glass as well.
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Well, I had no clue what a booth director
was when I first, day one.
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So it took me years to figure out that
process and why the hell I was there
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because I could not figure out my mentor
at the time, Charlie Allen told me and
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said to me, you need to go be a booth
director.
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And I was like, what is that?
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I don't even know what that is.
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So in my time being a booth director for
five years, I learned.
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for myself that I had a gift that I was
able to connect to actors.
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And the actors who I worked with,
surprisingly enough, majority of them said
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to me, I've never booked an animated
series before.
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And so my mouth was like, what?
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Because I had come from that whole world.
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So in learning my special gift, in
learning how to pull performances,
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Learning how to direct that's really and
that the fact is that Life is serious But
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it ain't that serious meaning Yeah,
there's some people I booked I got them
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guest roles There's some people who who
are really connected with that I would
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book on a consistent basis one of my
really good friends who I just saw about
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two weeks ago and so it was for me of
learning how the agency
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world work.
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Now, I was asked to be an agent, I turned
it down.
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Because I had that in casting.
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I had, you know, negotiated, I negotiated
salaries in casting.
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I had told actors, you need to be here.
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I had covered for actors if they were
running late to a session.
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I've done everything I could in casting
that I didn't need to do it as a talent
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agent.
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Because I had done that.
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I wanted to be on the creative side and
see what the actors could do and also see
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what they couldn't do and get them to
where they could do it.
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That's what I did.
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But still soaking up everything.
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It was a fast moving pace and I come from
a fast moving pace world.
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So it was just like, you didn't have time
to think.
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You didn't have time to, it was just the
copy comes in.
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You get them to audition.
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They had to copy the night before.
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And I do it to this day.
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When I'm directing actors, when I'm doing
auditions for actors, you've got to be in
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a fast moving pace.
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That's why I move so fast and move so
quickly.
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You don't have time to think.
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So that's what we, it's the different
personalities that I also learned.
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Because I was dealing with probably, we
probably had about 250 people represented
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at the agency back then.
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The actors who came into the office, I
would say probably about 30, about maybe
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30, maybe 40 actors that would come in.
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So I learned, had to learn 40 different
personalities.
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Plus the copy.
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Rather be commercial, rather be promo,
rather be animation.
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Then I had to report to my agents.
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Then it was like, you know, we've got to
get these projects out in a timely manner.
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I'm feeding off of people's energies.
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I'm feeding off of agencies energies I'm
feeding off, you know trying to you know
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people who audition from home that had to
send in the actual audition So it was all
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of those factors and it's just after five
years.
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It's just a burnout now I know what actors
go through when I see him on TV and
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they've done a series for 14 15 years and
the same repetitive stuff It's just
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burnout and so from the actors
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point of view, they had to come in
prepared.
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They had to just be able to take simple
direction.
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I learned for myself that all I have to do
is tweak you.
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I don't have to tell them what
specifically to do it this way, do it this
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way.
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I can submit suggestions, but most of the
time I just tweak them.
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Most of the time I just hit the button,
hit report.
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And then you'll be like, I like that.
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I'm a type of person that I have also had
to learn that I'm hard to impress.
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That's just the nature of where I come
from.
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So I'm a straight shooter.
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So I'd go, when they saw me smile or they
say when I kicked them out of the booth,
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they know that was brilliant.
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Because remember, I come from the casting
side.
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So I know who you're competing against.
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And all of the stuff that I learned from
AVO Talent, I bring to my professional
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career to this day.
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The same way I do with non -union actors
is I know the level of what's happening
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what's happening out there and the
competition now that's on a much larger
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scale It's even harder Everybody in the
world wants to do animation Everybody
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that's the hardest profession to get into
I Didn't think about it at the time
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because I've been doing for so long.
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I ain't even been I hadn't really thought
about it
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you have to bring something unique and
different to the table.
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You have to network.
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You have to put yourself out there.
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I just had a client today that was just
telling me that and talking to him from a
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person who's outside of the States, who is
doing animation in other European
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countries.
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And I literally just had this whole
conversation with him as to, do we got to
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negotiate?
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That's also affected at actors, you know,
especially non -union actors.
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If you're gonna do animation, which is
probably 2 % happening, I'm not gonna say
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it's 90 % because that's where all the
sex, most of the animation is all sac.
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Most of the animation, 98, 99 % of it is
all done in Los Angeles.
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The other half is done in New York.
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That's just the way, the nature of how the
business runs.
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Unless you're doing stuff that's on
YouTube.
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then you can be anywhere around the
country.
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My perception is, and maybe you can
correct me here, that that's not as true
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as it used to be.
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And I'll use examples of Atlanta for
animation, Toronto for video game work,
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right?
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It used to, it feels like, and maybe this
is where I'm wrong, Everett.
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It feels like, man, you know, even five
years ago, before the pandemic, you had to
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be in LA.
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Still true?
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They've changed it within the last
probably three, I would say within the
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last month, all the animation has come
back to Los Angeles.
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I would say 98%.
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So a lot of actors are getting LA only, LA
talent only.
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Now there's an exception to the rule.
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I would say you live in maybe San
Francisco, San Diego, you can get there
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fast, Vegas.
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You can get there fast all those other
states You have to develop a relationship
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with your agent.
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I would if you're gonna have a better
relationship with your Casting person even
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better if you knew the producers of the
show Those are the tickets those are the
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people who won't get you in if you have
those kind of relationships you can
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negotiate and do it anywhere
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So for somebody who is not in LA, is it
even possible to use your example to
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develop a relationship directly with those
people, the producers, the casting
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directors, right?
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The folks you just named.
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Is that even something that people in East
Jabip, Kansas can do?
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If you can, I mean, you have to think
outside of the box.
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So when I'm naming these producers,
there's always, we're all connected in
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some way, in some form.
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So this is what I would do.
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Let's say, for example, you're an
animation artist and you work on a show.
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I know that I want to voice that show and
I want to have the connection with that
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producer.
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I would connect myself with that artist,
send my stuff to the artist, develop, at
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least you develop that relationship with
the artist.
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The artist who draws for that show live in
the same city as that producer and might
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say, hey, why don't you send your demo
reel to me and let me see if I can send it
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to my producer.
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That's one way of doing it.
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I think the key there is you've got to
develop the relationship first.
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You cannot come out of the box going, hi,
I'm a voice actor, would you send my stuff
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to your producer?
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That's not the way anything works.
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Yeah.
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I mean, you know, I'm always, that's why I
move so fast.
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I'm literally developing relationships.
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I have people who come to me and say, I'm
on X, I'm on LinkedIn, and I'm contacting
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people who teach.
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And I'm just saying, hey, I'm Everett
blah, blah, blah, this and that.
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I just want you to come teach for my
students, because there's something that
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you have.
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I've done my research They're like, my
god.
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I'm so honored that you even asked.
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I'm like, yeah You know, so it's all about
that, you know figuring it out and what I
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call it is a system I've always said this
since I was probably eight or nine years
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old.
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The world is made up of a system I don't
care what any field that we're in whether
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or not you work in a medical field you
you're working
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and political office or whatever.
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It's all a system.
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And if you know how to get into a
system...
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You learn to navigate.
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That's how I did.
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That's how I did my career.
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I figured out the system.
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It ain't hard Working for example working
at a talent agency.
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They all do the same thing All the talent
agencies all do the same thing you got to
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know the players Who the big people?
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And if the big people are gonna like you
they all give out copy they all negotiate
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your salaries They all they all tell you
where you need to be
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Not one does something different from the
other.
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You asked me you asked me I Stopped so
once you figure that out You know, that's
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how I learned how to move fast one of my
agents one of my agents It's so funny cuz
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he called me last week and he said ever
you never say goodbye at a party That's
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why I just leave I pop in I get to know
Everybody I see their faces.
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I connect with everybody just to remain
relevant and then someone almost stopped
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me Talk to me
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Let me know whatever the situation is.
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Get back to me.
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Yeah.
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a hoover shaker, but the only thing is
that I just absorb everything like a
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sponge.
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And that's where I think, especially those
folks interested in animation are, you
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know, it's, it is more challenging outside
of Los Angeles, even markets like Atlanta,
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Toronto, et cetera.
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And it is like every other genre, it's
built on relationships, but those
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relationships are not built as easily.
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We'll call it digitally.
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Right?
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Like you might reach out to e -learning
producers online, things like that.
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It's not as easily done in animation.
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No, it's not.
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I mean, like I said, you have to go
through what I also think of as too, you
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have to go through back doors and you have
to go through the side doors.
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Cause going through the front doors is
totally in this day and age.
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And this is when they, and let me repeat
myself, think about it because Toronto has
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a lot of animation.
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New York has animation.
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New York has preschool animation.
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New York doesn't have the bigger stuff.
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They might be working on getting the
bigger stuff, but from my understanding,
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it's Disney Junior and Nick Jr.
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All of those preschool shows are all based
out of New York.
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And Toronto, I believe, is also in that.
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time span where they're doing little small
shows.
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Vancouver, which I'm looking into, might
be doing maybe a little bit more bigger
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shows.
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But also too, you should also talk to your
voice talent with people who book the
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animation type stuff as well, because
that's where you're going to get a feel
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for,
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I mean, people are reaching out to me.
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I'm doing some side stuff for actors too
and getting them connected.
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And that's pretty much a part of my
business too and a part of who I am is
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connecting people to other people as well
too.
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So if you're nice to me, I'll connect you.
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Right, exactly.
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feel like most people, and obviously
yourself included, but most people, the
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vast majority, want to be helpful.
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They don't want to be sold.
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They don't want to be manipulated, but
they do want to be helpful.
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So if you're genuine and honest and
authentic and real and try to bring some
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value to the relationship,
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Absolutely.
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will typically bend over backwards to do
what they can for another human being.
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also, too, talent.
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When an agent, and I know my mind is
racing, when an agent is looking for new,
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I don't want to say customers, clients,
you got to bring talent.
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You got to come with credits.
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You have to come with recommendation.
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And I could hear it.
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I can hear it in my head.
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You gotta be ready.
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Because when it happens, it's gonna happen
this quick.
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And you're not gonna be able to, as I love
looking at actors' faces, and they go,
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here they go.
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I say something to them, process, process,
process.
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And I'm saying it to them, and they're
looking at me because they can't say
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anything.
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Stop processing.
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This is about money.
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This is what I really wanted to come talk
to you about.
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This is about money and this is about
ratings That's what?
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The business is like agents ain't gonna
tell you Producers not gonna tell you I've
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been in it long enough that I can go ahead
and I can share this with you and tell you
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I'm not talking about your personal stuff.
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I'm talking about when you when you
looking especially to get into animation
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It's about at the end of the day The top
people at the networks are gonna go is
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this show making me money And the agents
they ain't gonna tell you but I'm gonna
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tell you they're like how much money you
breaking me I'm making you money how much
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money you making me money and if you ain't
making an agent money I don't know what to
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tell you I Didn't sit that in about 36
seconds
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He is a straight shooter, if nothing else.
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That's what this is a world about.
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So and everybody should know that going in
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Let's get a little more straight talk
going if we could.
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I have heard from some folks in the
animation side, and of course we had a
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kind of a seismic shift in the last few
years with regards to ethnically
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appropriate actors playing roles, right?
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Used to be guys like me would get cast,
didn't matter what the role.
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Great example, the classic example is Hank
Azaria as Hapu on The Simpsons, right?
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And then we had a movement a few years ago
and there has been a huge push in the
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industry, which is fantastic, to
diversify, to get appropriate roles to
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appropriate actors.
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Are we in a place now where guys like me
can get hired anymore?
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Probably right now, not right now, no,
probably.
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That's my sense.
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And I don't think that's a problem.
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I think it's a market correction to what
was happening before.
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Agree?
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I think that people weren't aware until
stuff happened in the world.
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And so I get that all the time from
actors.
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I don't know.
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And my thing for them would be it's a
timing.
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It's all about timing.
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You're going to have to sit and wait.
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I have been...
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And I can say this honestly, I was
probably one of two African Americans in
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casting.
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I remember going to the Silvers.
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I brought my parents.
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And Dave Fennoy said something that was
very interesting to my parents.
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And of course, my mom, she's an advocate
in the community for everything that she
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touches.
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And we asked how many people of color are
coaches?
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This was back in probably 20...
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16 2017.
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Dave Fennoy said probably you can count
them in one hand.
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Which would be him Joan Everett Sorry if I
missed anybody else cuz those are the only
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three I can think of back then
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Has that changed significantly?
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It's changed a lot I could think of
probably two or three more off the top of
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my head So yes, it has changed.
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It's it's it's growing slightly You know,
they're not even not enough You know, God
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bless of Michael Scott is killing it for
video games Killing it.
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I don't even see him anymore kill it.
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I see him at the conferences wave.
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You're doing well you breathing
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But not enough.
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he's like, hey, you know, this is what I
want to do boom cuz and he said it to me
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in a conversation Yeah, I don't see a lot
of us at all.
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What's happening.
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I'm like, but then you need to take the
torch and do it You know
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have the challenges lifted for people of
color or is it just this sort of social
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movement that may end up being temporary?
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Right?
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I don't get that sense, but it's a
question worth asking.
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Who knows?
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Hollywood shifts, you know, listen,
Hollywood is funny.
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Now you talking about, one of my friends
say, no, you a Californian.
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You've been out here in California long in
life.
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No, I'm a New Yorker.
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Let's get, I'm half California and I'm
half New York.
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California is funny.
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And all the Californians who's gonna look
at this, they're gonna go ahead, they're
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gonna talk about me.
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And I'm like, bring it.
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because I don't know every, with this, it
changes.
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It's like when you change your socks every
day, that's how people are having here in
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California to me.
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I can't give you a straight answer because
I don't know, because it's like quiet as
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kept.
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Now I'll give you another tip.
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All the video game producers only gonna
cast actors in LA.
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What?
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Now I'm hearing this tip from a few
people, few sources.
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So I got a little few spies that I stay in
contact with.
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I'm like, what do you mean the video games
is being cast and only in LA?
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You've got to be kidding me.
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Video games is done all around the world.
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Well, they don't have the same microphones
and they're not sure about the studios if
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they're built correctly.
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And this is why I'm like, for real?
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So we're going to go do that now too?
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That's what I'm saying.
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I can't get a straight answer.
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I'm fishy like mmm.
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I'm not sure but my spies will say yeah
Everett as quiet as this cat they doing
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video games out of California as well And
that's why I said I can't give you a
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straight answer because California it
flips back and forth and no one won't have
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a clear answer We're just lucky as people
of color are lucky enough that now We're
471
00:28:30,995 --> 00:28:32,955
hoping that it'll stay the path.
472
00:28:32,955 --> 00:28:35,145
Eventually, it's gonna
473
00:28:35,215 --> 00:28:39,234
Open back up to you know, everybody
because you're seeing a shift even in
474
00:28:39,234 --> 00:28:44,515
television On prime time shows you're
seeing more people of color So i'm like
475
00:28:44,515 --> 00:28:50,275
and you know, i'm like, okay, we'll see we
could just hope And pray the women are
476
00:28:50,275 --> 00:28:55,375
killing it black women are killing it My
sisters are killing it.
477
00:28:55,375 --> 00:28:59,955
I mean they're all of all over the place
You just see them even on tv and there
478
00:28:59,955 --> 00:29:04,235
there are a lot more opportunities for
black women I would say for and then for
479
00:29:04,235 --> 00:29:05,237
males
480
00:29:05,999 --> 00:29:11,859
You know and all genres across the board
So we'll see
481
00:29:11,873 --> 00:29:12,952
long overdue.
482
00:29:12,952 --> 00:29:14,613
Let's switch gears for a minute.
483
00:29:14,613 --> 00:29:21,633
We've had a lot of upheaval in the
voiceover business at large over the last,
484
00:29:21,633 --> 00:29:23,033
let's call it two years.
485
00:29:23,033 --> 00:29:29,273
We had SAG after strike, we had a writer's
guild strike, we've had the introduction
486
00:29:29,273 --> 00:29:35,173
and hysteria around generative AI.
487
00:29:35,673 --> 00:29:36,585
I think...
488
00:29:36,585 --> 00:29:42,285
Maybe of those for animation, my
impression is that the biggest disruptor
489
00:29:42,285 --> 00:29:48,065
of all so far has been the SAG after
strike of last summer.
490
00:29:48,065 --> 00:29:50,165
Are we back from that?
491
00:29:50,165 --> 00:29:51,595
Is animation back?
492
00:29:51,595 --> 00:29:53,455
Where is the animation?
493
00:29:53,455 --> 00:29:55,925
What's the state of animation right now?
494
00:29:56,271 --> 00:30:05,251
75 % down 75 and down I got that from a
source 75 % because of there's lots of
495
00:30:05,251 --> 00:30:13,251
changes going on with Disney They just
sealed the deal with paramount
496
00:30:14,831 --> 00:30:16,611
And there's one more I can't even think
of.
497
00:30:16,611 --> 00:30:18,451
It'll hit me.
498
00:30:19,091 --> 00:30:20,651
And Warner Brothers.
499
00:30:20,651 --> 00:30:22,951
I think there's some stuff happening at
Warner Brothers.
500
00:30:22,951 --> 00:30:25,051
And it's an election year.
501
00:30:25,651 --> 00:30:33,631
And I was told early in my career, anytime
there's a presidential election year,
502
00:30:33,751 --> 00:30:36,171
things are going to be a little wonky.
503
00:30:37,071 --> 00:30:42,671
So my thing is, until after what happens
in November,
504
00:30:42,671 --> 00:30:47,591
Maybe into January things will start but
everybody is keeping they're keeping
505
00:30:47,591 --> 00:30:54,231
they're not they're keeping their money
tight across the board So shows are gonna
506
00:30:54,231 --> 00:30:59,011
be down a video games probably gonna be
down as well I think there might be a
507
00:30:59,011 --> 00:30:59,951
strike coming from video games.
508
00:30:59,951 --> 00:31:06,891
I can't confirm that as of yet There might
be sort of they might but who knows like I
509
00:31:06,891 --> 00:31:11,771
said, everything is so uncertainty one way
It's this one way is that
510
00:31:12,201 --> 00:31:16,481
Kind of a one -two punch of the strike
last year, the election year this year,
511
00:31:16,481 --> 00:31:20,161
and now we're looking at a quarter of the
business being done in animation than we
512
00:31:20,161 --> 00:31:21,741
normally are.
513
00:31:22,021 --> 00:31:23,041
Wow.
514
00:31:23,061 --> 00:31:23,419
Man.
515
00:31:23,419 --> 00:31:26,359
this stuff lifted, because it's about
those budgets and we're going back to
516
00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:36,019
money again, as soon as the networks feel
comfortable to talk to the showrunners,
517
00:31:36,079 --> 00:31:39,279
then they'll go ahead and they'll donate,
they'll get those monies for those
518
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:39,879
budgets.
519
00:31:39,879 --> 00:31:42,299
As I said, it's all about money.
520
00:31:42,299 --> 00:31:45,679
And then they can go ahead and make it
look at the Nelson ratings.
521
00:31:45,679 --> 00:31:46,863
Now I'm a junkie.
522
00:31:46,863 --> 00:31:48,093
I'm a Nelson's junkie.
523
00:31:48,093 --> 00:31:53,443
That's one of the things that people don't
know about me is people laugh at me like I
524
00:31:53,443 --> 00:31:57,123
post stuff and I watch how many hits that
I get.
525
00:31:57,123 --> 00:32:01,083
Because that to me reminds me of ratings
to see how relevant you are.
526
00:32:01,083 --> 00:32:04,643
It's the exact same thing because I come
from the land of television.
527
00:32:04,643 --> 00:32:09,323
It's the exact same thing in your personal
lives when you're on social media.
528
00:32:09,523 --> 00:32:16,207
Those numbers could tell you whether or
not you're, as people say, unpopular.
529
00:32:16,207 --> 00:32:21,187
which I am, but popularity doesn't put
cash in my pocket.
530
00:32:21,607 --> 00:32:25,743
But it's just about me being relevant and
present in the moment.
531
00:32:27,407 --> 00:32:28,293
Let's.
532
00:32:28,293 --> 00:32:34,253
wrap up with a little bit of talk about
actual animation performance, because I
533
00:32:34,253 --> 00:32:40,113
want people to understand one of the
lessons that you made clear to me.
534
00:32:40,113 --> 00:32:44,993
And that is there is a huge difference,
and this is especially applicable to newer
535
00:32:44,993 --> 00:32:45,373
folks.
536
00:32:45,373 --> 00:32:50,413
There is a massive difference between a
voice and a character.
537
00:32:50,413 --> 00:32:53,019
Would you talk about that for a moment?
538
00:32:54,639 --> 00:33:01,039
So a voice is when you're, well, first of
all, we're gonna call it voice acting.
539
00:33:01,119 --> 00:33:03,419
It's all about your acting.
540
00:33:03,879 --> 00:33:10,718
So when people are putting on characters,
there's a sense of they're imitating
541
00:33:10,718 --> 00:33:13,219
people who they know.
542
00:33:13,219 --> 00:33:18,539
They're not bringing themselves to it.
543
00:33:19,499 --> 00:33:24,367
So when you're voice acting, you're being
creative.
544
00:33:24,367 --> 00:33:28,707
and you're adding a point of view to it.
545
00:33:28,707 --> 00:33:33,187
You're bringing maybe, what's it called?
546
00:33:33,187 --> 00:33:34,087
What's it called?
547
00:33:34,087 --> 00:33:38,247
I'm not being unique, but it's like, you
know, when a stutter to a character to
548
00:33:38,247 --> 00:33:39,667
make it funny.
549
00:33:42,127 --> 00:33:47,927
A character is just, you know, people
create these characters that it's just,
550
00:33:48,007 --> 00:33:49,667
it's not them.
551
00:33:49,667 --> 00:33:51,427
It's put on.
552
00:33:51,507 --> 00:33:54,287
It just doesn't, you could tell that it's
put on.
553
00:33:54,639 --> 00:34:03,579
And I use different peoples and techniques
for when people are voicing, voice acting,
554
00:34:03,579 --> 00:34:06,459
I should say, a character than rather than
being that.
555
00:34:06,459 --> 00:34:09,199
You gotta be that character is what I'm
saying.
556
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:16,139
But there has to be a part of you in that
character that I hear it.
557
00:34:16,139 --> 00:34:18,339
Like some people, they'll look at a
picture.
558
00:34:18,339 --> 00:34:20,339
I can tell when they voice the picture.
559
00:34:20,739 --> 00:34:22,212
That's no...
560
00:34:22,223 --> 00:34:25,323
That's not even leaving it up to the
imagination.
561
00:34:25,323 --> 00:34:28,463
You just basically imitated that picture
to what you saw.
562
00:34:28,463 --> 00:34:32,443
And then I say to them, what happens if
that drawing wasn't there?
563
00:34:32,443 --> 00:34:34,723
Give me a different spin and give me a
different take on it.
564
00:34:34,723 --> 00:34:42,203
Because this here has so much that you
should be able to be creative enough to
565
00:34:42,203 --> 00:34:49,983
come up with different toolboxes of
characters that
566
00:34:50,959 --> 00:34:54,085
will make you separate you from the crowd.
567
00:34:56,489 --> 00:35:01,029
One of the things that I learned from you
is it might be an animated character, but
568
00:35:01,029 --> 00:35:06,149
it's still a character and it still has to
have backstory and subtext and motivations
569
00:35:06,149 --> 00:35:08,049
and needs and everything else.
570
00:35:08,049 --> 00:35:10,409
Even though it might be two dimensional.
571
00:35:10,449 --> 00:35:11,149
Right.
572
00:35:11,889 --> 00:35:15,359
So, dude, I'm glad we got the chance to to
catch up today.
573
00:35:15,359 --> 00:35:16,039
I'm sorry.
574
00:35:16,039 --> 00:35:20,489
I will miss you in Dallas altogether this
year.
575
00:35:22,249 --> 00:35:25,239
Maybe you'll be in New York when Uncle
Roy's rolls around.
576
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:26,345
Maybe.
577
00:35:26,345 --> 00:35:26,815
You know?
578
00:35:26,815 --> 00:35:28,075
will be there.
579
00:35:28,075 --> 00:35:29,005
I will let you know.
580
00:35:29,005 --> 00:35:29,325
Yes.
581
00:35:29,325 --> 00:35:36,095
I will be coming to Uncle Roy's because
other than that, I will be on his list
582
00:35:36,095 --> 00:35:37,955
until the day he closes his eyes.
583
00:35:37,955 --> 00:35:44,055
So I will be back East for at least three
months starting in September.
584
00:35:44,055 --> 00:35:44,985
I will be there.
585
00:35:44,985 --> 00:35:46,715
I will be at MAVO.
586
00:35:46,975 --> 00:35:52,595
I'm doing some other workshops back East
that I'm working on.
587
00:35:52,595 --> 00:35:54,991
You check my social.
588
00:35:54,991 --> 00:35:56,829
with social media listings.
589
00:35:56,829 --> 00:36:01,469
we're, tell people where to find you, you
know, out in the social TV guide, as it
590
00:36:01,469 --> 00:36:03,569
were.
591
00:36:04,649 --> 00:36:06,589
You both are.
592
00:36:07,235 --> 00:36:15,115
You can reach me at eo at voice acting
director all one word .com
593
00:36:15,529 --> 00:36:20,629
And of course the website is
voiceactingdirector .com and on socials.
594
00:36:20,751 --> 00:36:22,871
Social media, I'm on LinkedIn.
595
00:36:23,151 --> 00:36:25,051
I'm on Twitter.
596
00:36:25,051 --> 00:36:26,991
I'm on Instagram.
597
00:36:27,271 --> 00:36:28,991
I am on Facebook.
598
00:36:28,991 --> 00:36:34,031
I don't like to add too many people on my
Facebook page because there's a block on
599
00:36:34,031 --> 00:36:37,111
Facebook once you get to, I believe, 5K.
600
00:36:37,111 --> 00:36:41,691
So I don't do, I don't add everybody on
Facebook.
601
00:36:41,811 --> 00:36:45,281
So unless I know you, then I add you.
602
00:36:45,281 --> 00:36:47,531
And I do delete people as well.
603
00:36:48,318 --> 00:36:52,617
If I haven't heard from you in a year, you
do get deleted.
604
00:36:52,617 --> 00:36:53,697
Yeah.
605
00:36:53,697 --> 00:36:59,867
I just, literally just last week, I did
what I call, I Thanos my Facebook friends.
606
00:36:59,867 --> 00:37:01,637
I cut it in half, right?
607
00:37:01,637 --> 00:37:03,747
And it certainly wasn't the snap on my
finger.
608
00:37:03,747 --> 00:37:04,447
I wish it were.
609
00:37:04,447 --> 00:37:06,637
It took three hours.
610
00:37:07,097 --> 00:37:08,237
but yeah.
611
00:37:08,237 --> 00:37:10,977
if there's no value, if there's no
relationship there, then I tend to prove
612
00:37:10,977 --> 00:37:11,777
them.
613
00:37:11,777 --> 00:37:12,757
Yeah.
614
00:37:13,037 --> 00:37:13,643
Yeah.
615
00:37:13,643 --> 00:37:18,723
I'm at the stage in my life where I am
doing that.
616
00:37:18,723 --> 00:37:20,843
I'll say that.
617
00:37:20,843 --> 00:37:26,043
Because people have to bring, I'm at a
different phase and a different stage.
618
00:37:26,043 --> 00:37:30,063
You have to have some, there has to be
some sort of value for me.
619
00:37:30,403 --> 00:37:32,203
And I'm around.
620
00:37:32,203 --> 00:37:37,391
People know where to find me, email me,
I'll get back to you.
621
00:37:37,391 --> 00:37:41,271
I do return phone calls and hear people
like panic.
622
00:37:41,271 --> 00:37:44,331
I'm not, you know, I'm not a politician.
623
00:37:44,331 --> 00:37:45,491
I'm not a president.
624
00:37:45,491 --> 00:37:48,391
I do eat sleep and go to the bathroom like
everybody else.
625
00:37:48,391 --> 00:37:51,391
I'm a little bit, just a little bit more
raw, a little bit more real.
626
00:37:51,391 --> 00:37:52,521
And I'm sarcastic.
627
00:37:52,521 --> 00:37:53,991
That's just part of who I am.
628
00:37:53,991 --> 00:37:56,191
I'm sorry America.
629
00:37:56,691 --> 00:37:59,771
We will not take things so seriously.
630
00:38:00,491 --> 00:38:04,399
It's not, we're in voice, we're in
voiceover land.
631
00:38:04,399 --> 00:38:10,099
We're not surgeons watching Grey's Anatomy
or Chicago Med, which is one of my shows.
632
00:38:11,619 --> 00:38:13,419
It's not that serious.
633
00:38:13,419 --> 00:38:20,939
I get it, it's our livelihood, but we need
to let go and have some laughs.
634
00:38:21,059 --> 00:38:25,239
I just came back from Nashville and had an
awesome time being in Nashville.
635
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,379
The food was fantastic.
636
00:38:27,379 --> 00:38:30,599
So if you're looking to get diabetes, I'm
promoting Nashville.
637
00:38:34,875 --> 00:38:37,473
You know.
638
00:38:37,473 --> 00:38:41,873
Oliver, the voice acting director himself,
the great EO, it was great to spend time
639
00:38:41,873 --> 00:38:42,833
with you today.
640
00:38:42,833 --> 00:38:47,073
And we got to, we got out of the habit of
catching up by phone every now and again,
641
00:38:47,073 --> 00:38:48,793
and we need to get back into that.
642
00:38:48,793 --> 00:38:52,352
So this would be a great entree back into
that for you and me.
643
00:38:52,352 --> 00:38:53,983
Thank you for spending time with us today,
man.
644
00:38:53,983 --> 00:38:55,247
I really appreciate it.
645
00:38:55,247 --> 00:38:56,467
No, thank you.
646
00:38:56,467 --> 00:39:00,647
Lots of ratings, big ratings for you.
647
00:39:02,761 --> 00:39:04,079
Alright.
648
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:34,559
I'm lo -
00:00:03,849 --> 00:00:08,699
Well, our guest today is not only a good
friend and my personal animation coach,
2
00:00:08,699 --> 00:00:13,469
but he's one of the most accomplished
coaches in the entire genre.
3
00:00:13,829 --> 00:00:18,969
Everett Oliver has worked on primetime
shows, including The Simpsons, King of the
4
00:00:18,969 --> 00:00:23,829
Hill, feature films like Men in Black,
Jackie Chan Adventures.
5
00:00:23,829 --> 00:00:24,909
He's worked with Disney.
6
00:00:24,909 --> 00:00:26,879
He's worked with Columbia TriStar.
7
00:00:26,879 --> 00:00:28,549
He's worked with stars.
8
00:00:28,549 --> 00:00:34,057
And I guess the one strike on his resume
is he's worked with me as well.
9
00:00:34,057 --> 00:00:35,637
I say that to kid him.
10
00:00:35,637 --> 00:00:38,407
He is one of the greatest coaches in
animation today.
11
00:00:38,407 --> 00:00:43,037
In fact, the way I found Everett Oliver
was when Dave Fennoy mentioned to me, he
12
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said, if you're going to go into animation
or seek any animation work, Everett Oliver
13
00:00:47,037 --> 00:00:48,997
is the best in the business.
14
00:00:48,997 --> 00:00:51,137
And I still believe that to this day.
15
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Please welcome my good friend and coach
Everett Oliver.
16
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Man, it's good to see you.
17
00:00:55,599 --> 00:00:57,339
Thank you, it's good to see you too.
18
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I didn't hear anything out of the crowd in
my head.
19
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You know I hear things.
20
00:01:02,377 --> 00:01:03,937
Yeah.
21
00:01:04,559 --> 00:01:06,659
Only me, only me.
22
00:01:06,659 --> 00:01:08,329
I tell you, I entertain myself.
23
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I've been looking forward to today for a
long time because I mentioned this to you
24
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when we were getting ready to go on
camera.
25
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The last time I saw you was almost a year
ago.
26
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You blew through the room in Dallas at One
Voice.
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And, you know, as you like to say, that
color works for you.
28
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And then he was gone, right?
29
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Like just a puff of smoke.
30
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So we didn't get a chance to chat a whole
lot.
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And so I've been looking forward to this
for a long time.
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We've coached together.
33
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We've hung out together.
34
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We've had drinks together.
35
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But yeah.
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And I honestly, I don't know a ton about
your story, right?
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I mean, people obviously recommended you
highly, people that I respect like Dave
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Fennoy and others.
39
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But I don't know.
40
00:01:59,945 --> 00:02:03,895
a whole lot about your story, how it
started and how you got here.
41
00:02:03,895 --> 00:02:05,195
So let's start there.
42
00:02:05,195 --> 00:02:07,095
I know you're a native New Yorker.
43
00:02:07,095 --> 00:02:11,545
I know you spent a cup of coffee in my
hometown, Richmond, Virginia, spent time
44
00:02:11,545 --> 00:02:15,205
in Georgia, and now you're kind of bi
-coastal, right?
45
00:02:15,205 --> 00:02:17,485
Alternating between New York and LA.
46
00:02:17,485 --> 00:02:20,665
Where did you start in this crazy
business, Everett?
47
00:02:21,039 --> 00:02:22,439
I started here.
48
00:02:22,439 --> 00:02:24,379
I actually started here in LA.
49
00:02:24,379 --> 00:02:28,319
I'm actually going on 30 years in the
business.
50
00:02:28,719 --> 00:02:31,079
I know, I know.
51
00:02:31,119 --> 00:02:33,179
I can see the little gray hairs.
52
00:02:33,179 --> 00:02:35,639
I trimmed that stuff yesterday.
53
00:02:39,339 --> 00:02:44,239
So 30 years, I started in animation
production.
54
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I'm basically like a sponge.
55
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I get bored easily.
56
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I watch people, I watch behaviors.
57
00:02:54,607 --> 00:03:00,787
I don't watch my own work, what I worked
on.
58
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But I've worked in casting.
59
00:03:03,287 --> 00:03:05,247
I worked in development.
60
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I've worked in post -production and
animation.
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I've worked at a talent agency, directed
actors on auditions.
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I'm going on as of next week, I would have
been eight years.
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I'm running my own business.
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I am.
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Thank you.
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by coastal.
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I'm heading back East for about three
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So how I really just started this is just
basically a string of luck.
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Being really wise.
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and soaking up stuff, really, really
soaking up stuff like a sponge and not
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knowing what I really.
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anticipated as to what I was going to do
in LA.
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Like I had a big thing of, you know,
everybody thought I was going to come out
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here and be an actor because I'm so
animated.
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I wanted to work in live TV.
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It didn't end up that way.
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All of my friends who I went to college
with were still around.
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They've worked in live TV.
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So I thought, I'll go work in live TV with
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ended up at Film Roman, their first
animation company.
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I had a little Southern accent.
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My little Southern charm.
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Yes, ma 'am.
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Yes, sir.
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That didn't go along real well.
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And I was just so nice and polite and just
naive and didn't know what was happening.
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worked with, didn't realize that I was
working with top voice actors and top
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voice directors and top animation shows
and producers.
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And looking at it now, I'm very, very
fortunate.
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Yes, I still have my bumpy roads and
stuff.
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And I've decided to just take a clear path
on
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on figuring out, I'm still figuring out
what's the next, I'm calling it the next
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phase in my life of what I want to do.
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Because there's more phases that I still
want to do.
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And I'm learning from different coaches,
you know, expressions and sayings.
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What doesn't serve me, I cut out.
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I'm a straight shooter.
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And I do personal appearances.
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I love popping in and popping out.
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You've got three seconds really to impress
me and tell me your life story.
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And what's scary enough is I retain it
all.
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And then I can move on to the next person.
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Because there's so many people I need to
see and check up on.
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You're breathing?
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You're doing great?
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What's wrong?
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What's the problem?
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What you need?
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You need to come see me.
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We need to schedule this meeting so I can
get you all on the right path.
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So that's me and I'm in trouble.
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I know.
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I know what my purpose in life is.
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I know what I'm here to do.
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I gotta tell you, when I saw you last year
in Dallas at One Voice, I turned around
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and it was Saturday evening, it was the
evening of the One Voice Awards, everybody
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was all dressed up.
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I turned around and Everett's here and I
was elated.
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And I turned back around and Everett was
gone.
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You, that might've been the greatest Irish
goodbye in history, right?
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You just, it was almost like in a cloud of
smoke.
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You just, you just disappeared.
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Mm -hmm.
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worked for, you were a booth director for
a talent agency for several years.
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And I've always wanted to talk to you
about that because we've never discussed
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it.
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What did you learn in those years about
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a booth director and about an actor,
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What they go through on their side of the
glass as well.
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Well, I had no clue what a booth director
was when I first, day one.
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So it took me years to figure out that
process and why the hell I was there
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because I could not figure out my mentor
at the time, Charlie Allen told me and
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said to me, you need to go be a booth
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And I was like, what is that?
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I don't even know what that is.
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So in my time being a booth director for
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for myself that I had a gift that I was
able to connect to actors.
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surprisingly enough, majority of them said
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to me, I've never booked an animated
series before.
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Because I had come from that whole world.
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So in learning my special gift, in
learning how to pull performances,
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Learning how to direct that's really and
that the fact is that Life is serious But
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it ain't that serious meaning Yeah,
there's some people I booked I got them
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guest roles There's some people who who
are really connected with that I would
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book on a consistent basis one of my
really good friends who I just saw about
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two weeks ago and so it was for me of
learning how the agency
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world work.
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Now, I was asked to be an agent, I turned
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Because I had that in casting.
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I had, you know, negotiated, I negotiated
salaries in casting.
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I had told actors, you need to be here.
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I had covered for actors if they were
running late to a session.
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I've done everything I could in casting
that I didn't need to do it as a talent
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agent.
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Because I had done that.
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I wanted to be on the creative side and
see what the actors could do and also see
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what they couldn't do and get them to
where they could do it.
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That's what I did.
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It was a fast moving pace and I come from
a fast moving pace world.
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So it was just like, you didn't have time
to think.
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You didn't have time to, it was just the
copy comes in.
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You get them to audition.
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They had to copy the night before.
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When I'm directing actors, when I'm doing
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a fast moving pace.
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That's why I move so fast and move so
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You don't have time to think.
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So that's what we, it's the different
personalities that I also learned.
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Because I was dealing with probably, we
probably had about 250 people represented
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at the agency back then.
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The actors who came into the office, I
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30, maybe 40 actors that would come in.
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So I learned, had to learn 40 different
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Rather be commercial, rather be promo,
rather be animation.
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Then I had to report to my agents.
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Then it was like, you know, we've got to
get these projects out in a timely manner.
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I'm feeding off of people's energies.
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I'm feeding off of agencies energies I'm
feeding off, you know trying to you know
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people who audition from home that had to
send in the actual audition So it was all
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of those factors and it's just after five
years.
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It's just a burnout now I know what actors
go through when I see him on TV and
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they've done a series for 14 15 years and
the same repetitive stuff It's just
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burnout and so from the actors
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point of view, they had to come in
prepared.
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They had to just be able to take simple
direction.
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I learned for myself that all I have to do
is tweak you.
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I don't have to tell them what
specifically to do it this way, do it this
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way.
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I can submit suggestions, but most of the
time I just tweak them.
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Most of the time I just hit the button,
hit report.
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I'm a type of person that I have also had
to learn that I'm hard to impress.
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That's just the nature of where I come
from.
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So I'm a straight shooter.
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So I'd go, when they saw me smile or they
say when I kicked them out of the booth,
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they know that was brilliant.
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Because remember, I come from the casting
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So I know who you're competing against.
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And all of the stuff that I learned from
AVO Talent, I bring to my professional
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career to this day.
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The same way I do with non -union actors
is I know the level of what's happening
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what's happening out there and the
competition now that's on a much larger
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scale It's even harder Everybody in the
world wants to do animation Everybody
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that's the hardest profession to get into
I Didn't think about it at the time
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because I've been doing for so long.
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I ain't even been I hadn't really thought
about it
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you have to bring something unique and
different to the table.
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You have to network.
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You have to put yourself out there.
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I just had a client today that was just
telling me that and talking to him from a
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person who's outside of the States, who is
doing animation in other European
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countries.
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And I literally just had this whole
conversation with him as to, do we got to
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negotiate?
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That's also affected at actors, you know,
especially non -union actors.
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If you're gonna do animation, which is
probably 2 % happening, I'm not gonna say
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it's 90 % because that's where all the
sex, most of the animation is all sac.
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Most of the animation, 98, 99 % of it is
all done in Los Angeles.
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The other half is done in New York.
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That's just the way, the nature of how the
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Unless you're doing stuff that's on
YouTube.
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then you can be anywhere around the
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My perception is, and maybe you can
correct me here, that that's not as true
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as it used to be.
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And I'll use examples of Atlanta for
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right?
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It used to, it feels like, and maybe this
is where I'm wrong, Everett.
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It feels like, man, you know, even five
years ago, before the pandemic, you had to
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be in LA.
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Still true?
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They've changed it within the last
probably three, I would say within the
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last month, all the animation has come
back to Los Angeles.
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I would say 98%.
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So a lot of actors are getting LA only, LA
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Now there's an exception to the rule.
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I would say you live in maybe San
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fast, Vegas.
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You can get there fast all those other
states You have to develop a relationship
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with your agent.
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I would if you're gonna have a better
relationship with your Casting person even
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better if you knew the producers of the
show Those are the tickets those are the
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people who won't get you in if you have
those kind of relationships you can
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negotiate and do it anywhere
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So for somebody who is not in LA, is it
even possible to use your example to
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develop a relationship directly with those
people, the producers, the casting
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directors, right?
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The folks you just named.
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Is that even something that people in East
Jabip, Kansas can do?
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If you can, I mean, you have to think
outside of the box.
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So when I'm naming these producers,
there's always, we're all connected in
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some way, in some form.
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So this is what I would do.
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Let's say, for example, you're an
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I know that I want to voice that show and
I want to have the connection with that
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producer.
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I would connect myself with that artist,
send my stuff to the artist, develop, at
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least you develop that relationship with
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The artist who draws for that show live in
the same city as that producer and might
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say, hey, why don't you send your demo
reel to me and let me see if I can send it
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to my producer.
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That's one way of doing it.
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I think the key there is you've got to
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You cannot come out of the box going, hi,
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to your producer?
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That's not the way anything works.
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I mean, you know, I'm always, that's why I
move so fast.
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I'm literally developing relationships.
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I have people who come to me and say, I'm
on X, I'm on LinkedIn, and I'm contacting
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people who teach.
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And I'm just saying, hey, I'm Everett
blah, blah, blah, this and that.
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I just want you to come teach for my
students, because there's something that
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you have.
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I've done my research They're like, my
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I'm so honored that you even asked.
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I'm like, yeah You know, so it's all about
that, you know figuring it out and what I
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call it is a system I've always said this
since I was probably eight or nine years
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old.
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The world is made up of a system I don't
care what any field that we're in whether
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or not you work in a medical field you
you're working
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and political office or whatever.
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It's all a system.
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And if you know how to get into a
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You learn to navigate.
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That's how I did.
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That's how I did my career.
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I figured out the system.
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It ain't hard Working for example working
at a talent agency.
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They all do the same thing All the talent
agencies all do the same thing you got to
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know the players Who the big people?
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And if the big people are gonna like you
they all give out copy they all negotiate
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your salaries They all they all tell you
where you need to be
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Not one does something different from the
other.
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You asked me you asked me I Stopped so
once you figure that out You know, that's
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how I learned how to move fast one of my
agents one of my agents It's so funny cuz
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he called me last week and he said ever
you never say goodbye at a party That's
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why I just leave I pop in I get to know
Everybody I see their faces.
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I connect with everybody just to remain
relevant and then someone almost stopped
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me Talk to me
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Let me know whatever the situation is.
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Get back to me.
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Yeah.
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a hoover shaker, but the only thing is
that I just absorb everything like a
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sponge.
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And that's where I think, especially those
folks interested in animation are, you
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know, it's, it is more challenging outside
of Los Angeles, even markets like Atlanta,
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Toronto, et cetera.
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And it is like every other genre, it's
built on relationships, but those
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relationships are not built as easily.
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We'll call it digitally.
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Right?
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Like you might reach out to e -learning
producers online, things like that.
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It's not as easily done in animation.
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No, it's not.
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I mean, like I said, you have to go
through what I also think of as too, you
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have to go through back doors and you have
to go through the side doors.
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Cause going through the front doors is
totally in this day and age.
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And this is when they, and let me repeat
myself, think about it because Toronto has
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a lot of animation.
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New York has animation.
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New York has preschool animation.
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New York doesn't have the bigger stuff.
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They might be working on getting the
bigger stuff, but from my understanding,
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it's Disney Junior and Nick Jr.
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All of those preschool shows are all based
out of New York.
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And Toronto, I believe, is also in that.
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time span where they're doing little small
shows.
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Vancouver, which I'm looking into, might
be doing maybe a little bit more bigger
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shows.
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But also too, you should also talk to your
voice talent with people who book the
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animation type stuff as well, because
that's where you're going to get a feel
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for,
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I mean, people are reaching out to me.
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I'm doing some side stuff for actors too
and getting them connected.
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And that's pretty much a part of my
business too and a part of who I am is
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connecting people to other people as well
too.
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So if you're nice to me, I'll connect you.
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Right, exactly.
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feel like most people, and obviously
yourself included, but most people, the
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vast majority, want to be helpful.
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They don't want to be sold.
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They don't want to be manipulated, but
they do want to be helpful.
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So if you're genuine and honest and
authentic and real and try to bring some
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value to the relationship,
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Absolutely.
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will typically bend over backwards to do
what they can for another human being.
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also, too, talent.
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When an agent, and I know my mind is
racing, when an agent is looking for new,
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I don't want to say customers, clients,
you got to bring talent.
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You got to come with credits.
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You have to come with recommendation.
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And I could hear it.
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I can hear it in my head.
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You gotta be ready.
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Because when it happens, it's gonna happen
this quick.
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And you're not gonna be able to, as I love
looking at actors' faces, and they go,
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here they go.
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I say something to them, process, process,
process.
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And I'm saying it to them, and they're
looking at me because they can't say
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anything.
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Stop processing.
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This is about money.
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This is what I really wanted to come talk
to you about.
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This is about money and this is about
ratings That's what?
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The business is like agents ain't gonna
tell you Producers not gonna tell you I've
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been in it long enough that I can go ahead
and I can share this with you and tell you
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I'm not talking about your personal stuff.
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I'm talking about when you when you
looking especially to get into animation
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It's about at the end of the day The top
people at the networks are gonna go is
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this show making me money And the agents
they ain't gonna tell you but I'm gonna
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tell you they're like how much money you
breaking me I'm making you money how much
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money you making me money and if you ain't
making an agent money I don't know what to
381
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tell you I Didn't sit that in about 36
seconds
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He is a straight shooter, if nothing else.
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That's what this is a world about.
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So and everybody should know that going in
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Let's get a little more straight talk
going if we could.
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I have heard from some folks in the
animation side, and of course we had a
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kind of a seismic shift in the last few
years with regards to ethnically
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appropriate actors playing roles, right?
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Used to be guys like me would get cast,
didn't matter what the role.
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Great example, the classic example is Hank
Azaria as Hapu on The Simpsons, right?
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And then we had a movement a few years ago
and there has been a huge push in the
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industry, which is fantastic, to
diversify, to get appropriate roles to
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appropriate actors.
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Are we in a place now where guys like me
can get hired anymore?
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Probably right now, not right now, no,
probably.
396
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That's my sense.
397
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And I don't think that's a problem.
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I think it's a market correction to what
was happening before.
399
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Agree?
400
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I think that people weren't aware until
stuff happened in the world.
401
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And so I get that all the time from
actors.
402
00:24:16,595 --> 00:24:17,215
I don't know.
403
00:24:17,215 --> 00:24:22,735
And my thing for them would be it's a
timing.
404
00:24:22,735 --> 00:24:24,515
It's all about timing.
405
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You're going to have to sit and wait.
406
00:24:27,815 --> 00:24:30,735
I have been...
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And I can say this honestly, I was
probably one of two African Americans in
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casting.
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I remember going to the Silvers.
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I brought my parents.
411
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And Dave Fennoy said something that was
very interesting to my parents.
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And of course, my mom, she's an advocate
in the community for everything that she
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touches.
414
00:25:00,343 --> 00:25:05,783
And we asked how many people of color are
coaches?
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This was back in probably 20...
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16 2017.
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00:25:10,571 --> 00:25:14,895
Dave Fennoy said probably you can count
them in one hand.
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Which would be him Joan Everett Sorry if I
missed anybody else cuz those are the only
419
00:25:23,891 --> 00:25:26,251
three I can think of back then
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Has that changed significantly?
421
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It's changed a lot I could think of
probably two or three more off the top of
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00:25:34,395 --> 00:25:37,465
my head So yes, it has changed.
423
00:25:37,465 --> 00:25:45,655
It's it's it's growing slightly You know,
they're not even not enough You know, God
424
00:25:45,655 --> 00:25:50,195
bless of Michael Scott is killing it for
video games Killing it.
425
00:25:50,195 --> 00:25:52,235
I don't even see him anymore kill it.
426
00:25:52,235 --> 00:25:54,215
I see him at the conferences wave.
427
00:25:54,215 --> 00:25:56,655
You're doing well you breathing
428
00:26:10,285 --> 00:26:11,831
But not enough.
429
00:26:11,831 --> 00:26:16,871
he's like, hey, you know, this is what I
want to do boom cuz and he said it to me
430
00:26:16,871 --> 00:26:20,221
in a conversation Yeah, I don't see a lot
of us at all.
431
00:26:20,221 --> 00:26:21,191
What's happening.
432
00:26:21,191 --> 00:26:26,065
I'm like, but then you need to take the
torch and do it You know
433
00:26:26,065 --> 00:26:34,085
have the challenges lifted for people of
color or is it just this sort of social
434
00:26:34,085 --> 00:26:37,965
movement that may end up being temporary?
435
00:26:37,965 --> 00:26:38,225
Right?
436
00:26:38,225 --> 00:26:41,559
I don't get that sense, but it's a
question worth asking.
437
00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:42,839
Who knows?
438
00:26:43,439 --> 00:26:48,439
Hollywood shifts, you know, listen,
Hollywood is funny.
439
00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:53,049
Now you talking about, one of my friends
say, no, you a Californian.
440
00:26:53,049 --> 00:26:54,979
You've been out here in California long in
life.
441
00:26:54,979 --> 00:26:55,899
No, I'm a New Yorker.
442
00:26:55,899 --> 00:26:59,539
Let's get, I'm half California and I'm
half New York.
443
00:26:59,699 --> 00:27:01,279
California is funny.
444
00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:04,979
And all the Californians who's gonna look
at this, they're gonna go ahead, they're
445
00:27:04,979 --> 00:27:05,929
gonna talk about me.
446
00:27:05,929 --> 00:27:07,439
And I'm like, bring it.
447
00:27:07,439 --> 00:27:12,919
because I don't know every, with this, it
changes.
448
00:27:12,919 --> 00:27:16,479
It's like when you change your socks every
day, that's how people are having here in
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00:27:16,479 --> 00:27:17,939
California to me.
450
00:27:17,939 --> 00:27:23,459
I can't give you a straight answer because
I don't know, because it's like quiet as
451
00:27:23,459 --> 00:27:24,079
kept.
452
00:27:24,079 --> 00:27:26,319
Now I'll give you another tip.
453
00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:33,439
All the video game producers only gonna
cast actors in LA.
454
00:27:34,239 --> 00:27:35,463
What?
455
00:27:36,943 --> 00:27:40,923
Now I'm hearing this tip from a few
people, few sources.
456
00:27:40,923 --> 00:27:44,403
So I got a little few spies that I stay in
contact with.
457
00:27:44,403 --> 00:27:48,583
I'm like, what do you mean the video games
is being cast and only in LA?
458
00:27:48,583 --> 00:27:50,243
You've got to be kidding me.
459
00:27:50,243 --> 00:27:53,283
Video games is done all around the world.
460
00:27:53,423 --> 00:27:57,603
Well, they don't have the same microphones
and they're not sure about the studios if
461
00:27:57,603 --> 00:27:58,763
they're built correctly.
462
00:27:58,763 --> 00:28:01,243
And this is why I'm like, for real?
463
00:28:01,243 --> 00:28:03,983
So we're going to go do that now too?
464
00:28:04,123 --> 00:28:05,295
That's what I'm saying.
465
00:28:05,295 --> 00:28:06,745
I can't get a straight answer.
466
00:28:06,745 --> 00:28:08,195
I'm fishy like mmm.
467
00:28:08,195 --> 00:28:13,275
I'm not sure but my spies will say yeah
Everett as quiet as this cat they doing
468
00:28:13,275 --> 00:28:17,675
video games out of California as well And
that's why I said I can't give you a
469
00:28:17,675 --> 00:28:21,674
straight answer because California it
flips back and forth and no one won't have
470
00:28:21,674 --> 00:28:30,995
a clear answer We're just lucky as people
of color are lucky enough that now We're
471
00:28:30,995 --> 00:28:32,955
hoping that it'll stay the path.
472
00:28:32,955 --> 00:28:35,145
Eventually, it's gonna
473
00:28:35,215 --> 00:28:39,234
Open back up to you know, everybody
because you're seeing a shift even in
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television On prime time shows you're
seeing more people of color So i'm like
475
00:28:44,515 --> 00:28:50,275
and you know, i'm like, okay, we'll see we
could just hope And pray the women are
476
00:28:50,275 --> 00:28:55,375
killing it black women are killing it My
sisters are killing it.
477
00:28:55,375 --> 00:28:59,955
I mean they're all of all over the place
You just see them even on tv and there
478
00:28:59,955 --> 00:29:04,235
there are a lot more opportunities for
black women I would say for and then for
479
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males
480
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You know and all genres across the board
So we'll see
481
00:29:11,873 --> 00:29:12,952
long overdue.
482
00:29:12,952 --> 00:29:14,613
Let's switch gears for a minute.
483
00:29:14,613 --> 00:29:21,633
We've had a lot of upheaval in the
voiceover business at large over the last,
484
00:29:21,633 --> 00:29:23,033
let's call it two years.
485
00:29:23,033 --> 00:29:29,273
We had SAG after strike, we had a writer's
guild strike, we've had the introduction
486
00:29:29,273 --> 00:29:35,173
and hysteria around generative AI.
487
00:29:35,673 --> 00:29:36,585
I think...
488
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Maybe of those for animation, my
impression is that the biggest disruptor
489
00:29:42,285 --> 00:29:48,065
of all so far has been the SAG after
strike of last summer.
490
00:29:48,065 --> 00:29:50,165
Are we back from that?
491
00:29:50,165 --> 00:29:51,595
Is animation back?
492
00:29:51,595 --> 00:29:53,455
Where is the animation?
493
00:29:53,455 --> 00:29:55,925
What's the state of animation right now?
494
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75 % down 75 and down I got that from a
source 75 % because of there's lots of
495
00:30:05,251 --> 00:30:13,251
changes going on with Disney They just
sealed the deal with paramount
496
00:30:14,831 --> 00:30:16,611
And there's one more I can't even think
of.
497
00:30:16,611 --> 00:30:18,451
It'll hit me.
498
00:30:19,091 --> 00:30:20,651
And Warner Brothers.
499
00:30:20,651 --> 00:30:22,951
I think there's some stuff happening at
Warner Brothers.
500
00:30:22,951 --> 00:30:25,051
And it's an election year.
501
00:30:25,651 --> 00:30:33,631
And I was told early in my career, anytime
there's a presidential election year,
502
00:30:33,751 --> 00:30:36,171
things are going to be a little wonky.
503
00:30:37,071 --> 00:30:42,671
So my thing is, until after what happens
in November,
504
00:30:42,671 --> 00:30:47,591
Maybe into January things will start but
everybody is keeping they're keeping
505
00:30:47,591 --> 00:30:54,231
they're not they're keeping their money
tight across the board So shows are gonna
506
00:30:54,231 --> 00:30:59,011
be down a video games probably gonna be
down as well I think there might be a
507
00:30:59,011 --> 00:30:59,951
strike coming from video games.
508
00:30:59,951 --> 00:31:06,891
I can't confirm that as of yet There might
be sort of they might but who knows like I
509
00:31:06,891 --> 00:31:11,771
said, everything is so uncertainty one way
It's this one way is that
510
00:31:12,201 --> 00:31:16,481
Kind of a one -two punch of the strike
last year, the election year this year,
511
00:31:16,481 --> 00:31:20,161
and now we're looking at a quarter of the
business being done in animation than we
512
00:31:20,161 --> 00:31:21,741
normally are.
513
00:31:22,021 --> 00:31:23,041
Wow.
514
00:31:23,061 --> 00:31:23,419
Man.
515
00:31:23,419 --> 00:31:26,359
this stuff lifted, because it's about
those budgets and we're going back to
516
00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:36,019
money again, as soon as the networks feel
comfortable to talk to the showrunners,
517
00:31:36,079 --> 00:31:39,279
then they'll go ahead and they'll donate,
they'll get those monies for those
518
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:39,879
budgets.
519
00:31:39,879 --> 00:31:42,299
As I said, it's all about money.
520
00:31:42,299 --> 00:31:45,679
And then they can go ahead and make it
look at the Nelson ratings.
521
00:31:45,679 --> 00:31:46,863
Now I'm a junkie.
522
00:31:46,863 --> 00:31:48,093
I'm a Nelson's junkie.
523
00:31:48,093 --> 00:31:53,443
That's one of the things that people don't
know about me is people laugh at me like I
524
00:31:53,443 --> 00:31:57,123
post stuff and I watch how many hits that
I get.
525
00:31:57,123 --> 00:32:01,083
Because that to me reminds me of ratings
to see how relevant you are.
526
00:32:01,083 --> 00:32:04,643
It's the exact same thing because I come
from the land of television.
527
00:32:04,643 --> 00:32:09,323
It's the exact same thing in your personal
lives when you're on social media.
528
00:32:09,523 --> 00:32:16,207
Those numbers could tell you whether or
not you're, as people say, unpopular.
529
00:32:16,207 --> 00:32:21,187
which I am, but popularity doesn't put
cash in my pocket.
530
00:32:21,607 --> 00:32:25,743
But it's just about me being relevant and
present in the moment.
531
00:32:27,407 --> 00:32:28,293
Let's.
532
00:32:28,293 --> 00:32:34,253
wrap up with a little bit of talk about
actual animation performance, because I
533
00:32:34,253 --> 00:32:40,113
want people to understand one of the
lessons that you made clear to me.
534
00:32:40,113 --> 00:32:44,993
And that is there is a huge difference,
and this is especially applicable to newer
535
00:32:44,993 --> 00:32:45,373
folks.
536
00:32:45,373 --> 00:32:50,413
There is a massive difference between a
voice and a character.
537
00:32:50,413 --> 00:32:53,019
Would you talk about that for a moment?
538
00:32:54,639 --> 00:33:01,039
So a voice is when you're, well, first of
all, we're gonna call it voice acting.
539
00:33:01,119 --> 00:33:03,419
It's all about your acting.
540
00:33:03,879 --> 00:33:10,718
So when people are putting on characters,
there's a sense of they're imitating
541
00:33:10,718 --> 00:33:13,219
people who they know.
542
00:33:13,219 --> 00:33:18,539
They're not bringing themselves to it.
543
00:33:19,499 --> 00:33:24,367
So when you're voice acting, you're being
creative.
544
00:33:24,367 --> 00:33:28,707
and you're adding a point of view to it.
545
00:33:28,707 --> 00:33:33,187
You're bringing maybe, what's it called?
546
00:33:33,187 --> 00:33:34,087
What's it called?
547
00:33:34,087 --> 00:33:38,247
I'm not being unique, but it's like, you
know, when a stutter to a character to
548
00:33:38,247 --> 00:33:39,667
make it funny.
549
00:33:42,127 --> 00:33:47,927
A character is just, you know, people
create these characters that it's just,
550
00:33:48,007 --> 00:33:49,667
it's not them.
551
00:33:49,667 --> 00:33:51,427
It's put on.
552
00:33:51,507 --> 00:33:54,287
It just doesn't, you could tell that it's
put on.
553
00:33:54,639 --> 00:34:03,579
And I use different peoples and techniques
for when people are voicing, voice acting,
554
00:34:03,579 --> 00:34:06,459
I should say, a character than rather than
being that.
555
00:34:06,459 --> 00:34:09,199
You gotta be that character is what I'm
saying.
556
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:16,139
But there has to be a part of you in that
character that I hear it.
557
00:34:16,139 --> 00:34:18,339
Like some people, they'll look at a
picture.
558
00:34:18,339 --> 00:34:20,339
I can tell when they voice the picture.
559
00:34:20,739 --> 00:34:22,212
That's no...
560
00:34:22,223 --> 00:34:25,323
That's not even leaving it up to the
imagination.
561
00:34:25,323 --> 00:34:28,463
You just basically imitated that picture
to what you saw.
562
00:34:28,463 --> 00:34:32,443
And then I say to them, what happens if
that drawing wasn't there?
563
00:34:32,443 --> 00:34:34,723
Give me a different spin and give me a
different take on it.
564
00:34:34,723 --> 00:34:42,203
Because this here has so much that you
should be able to be creative enough to
565
00:34:42,203 --> 00:34:49,983
come up with different toolboxes of
characters that
566
00:34:50,959 --> 00:34:54,085
will make you separate you from the crowd.
567
00:34:56,489 --> 00:35:01,029
One of the things that I learned from you
is it might be an animated character, but
568
00:35:01,029 --> 00:35:06,149
it's still a character and it still has to
have backstory and subtext and motivations
569
00:35:06,149 --> 00:35:08,049
and needs and everything else.
570
00:35:08,049 --> 00:35:10,409
Even though it might be two dimensional.
571
00:35:10,449 --> 00:35:11,149
Right.
572
00:35:11,889 --> 00:35:15,359
So, dude, I'm glad we got the chance to to
catch up today.
573
00:35:15,359 --> 00:35:16,039
I'm sorry.
574
00:35:16,039 --> 00:35:20,489
I will miss you in Dallas altogether this
year.
575
00:35:22,249 --> 00:35:25,239
Maybe you'll be in New York when Uncle
Roy's rolls around.
576
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:26,345
Maybe.
577
00:35:26,345 --> 00:35:26,815
You know?
578
00:35:26,815 --> 00:35:28,075
will be there.
579
00:35:28,075 --> 00:35:29,005
I will let you know.
580
00:35:29,005 --> 00:35:29,325
Yes.
581
00:35:29,325 --> 00:35:36,095
I will be coming to Uncle Roy's because
other than that, I will be on his list
582
00:35:36,095 --> 00:35:37,955
until the day he closes his eyes.
583
00:35:37,955 --> 00:35:44,055
So I will be back East for at least three
months starting in September.
584
00:35:44,055 --> 00:35:44,985
I will be there.
585
00:35:44,985 --> 00:35:46,715
I will be at MAVO.
586
00:35:46,975 --> 00:35:52,595
I'm doing some other workshops back East
that I'm working on.
587
00:35:52,595 --> 00:35:54,991
You check my social.
588
00:35:54,991 --> 00:35:56,829
with social media listings.
589
00:35:56,829 --> 00:36:01,469
we're, tell people where to find you, you
know, out in the social TV guide, as it
590
00:36:01,469 --> 00:36:03,569
were.
591
00:36:04,649 --> 00:36:06,589
You both are.
592
00:36:07,235 --> 00:36:15,115
You can reach me at eo at voice acting
director all one word .com
593
00:36:15,529 --> 00:36:20,629
And of course the website is
voiceactingdirector .com and on socials.
594
00:36:20,751 --> 00:36:22,871
Social media, I'm on LinkedIn.
595
00:36:23,151 --> 00:36:25,051
I'm on Twitter.
596
00:36:25,051 --> 00:36:26,991
I'm on Instagram.
597
00:36:27,271 --> 00:36:28,991
I am on Facebook.
598
00:36:28,991 --> 00:36:34,031
I don't like to add too many people on my
Facebook page because there's a block on
599
00:36:34,031 --> 00:36:37,111
Facebook once you get to, I believe, 5K.
600
00:36:37,111 --> 00:36:41,691
So I don't do, I don't add everybody on
Facebook.
601
00:36:41,811 --> 00:36:45,281
So unless I know you, then I add you.
602
00:36:45,281 --> 00:36:47,531
And I do delete people as well.
603
00:36:48,318 --> 00:36:52,617
If I haven't heard from you in a year, you
do get deleted.
604
00:36:52,617 --> 00:36:53,697
Yeah.
605
00:36:53,697 --> 00:36:59,867
I just, literally just last week, I did
what I call, I Thanos my Facebook friends.
606
00:36:59,867 --> 00:37:01,637
I cut it in half, right?
607
00:37:01,637 --> 00:37:03,747
And it certainly wasn't the snap on my
finger.
608
00:37:03,747 --> 00:37:04,447
I wish it were.
609
00:37:04,447 --> 00:37:06,637
It took three hours.
610
00:37:07,097 --> 00:37:08,237
but yeah.
611
00:37:08,237 --> 00:37:10,977
if there's no value, if there's no
relationship there, then I tend to prove
612
00:37:10,977 --> 00:37:11,777
them.
613
00:37:11,777 --> 00:37:12,757
Yeah.
614
00:37:13,037 --> 00:37:13,643
Yeah.
615
00:37:13,643 --> 00:37:18,723
I'm at the stage in my life where I am
doing that.
616
00:37:18,723 --> 00:37:20,843
I'll say that.
617
00:37:20,843 --> 00:37:26,043
Because people have to bring, I'm at a
different phase and a different stage.
618
00:37:26,043 --> 00:37:30,063
You have to have some, there has to be
some sort of value for me.
619
00:37:30,403 --> 00:37:32,203
And I'm around.
620
00:37:32,203 --> 00:37:37,391
People know where to find me, email me,
I'll get back to you.
621
00:37:37,391 --> 00:37:41,271
I do return phone calls and hear people
like panic.
622
00:37:41,271 --> 00:37:44,331
I'm not, you know, I'm not a politician.
623
00:37:44,331 --> 00:37:45,491
I'm not a president.
624
00:37:45,491 --> 00:37:48,391
I do eat sleep and go to the bathroom like
everybody else.
625
00:37:48,391 --> 00:37:51,391
I'm a little bit, just a little bit more
raw, a little bit more real.
626
00:37:51,391 --> 00:37:52,521
And I'm sarcastic.
627
00:37:52,521 --> 00:37:53,991
That's just part of who I am.
628
00:37:53,991 --> 00:37:56,191
I'm sorry America.
629
00:37:56,691 --> 00:37:59,771
We will not take things so seriously.
630
00:38:00,491 --> 00:38:04,399
It's not, we're in voice, we're in
voiceover land.
631
00:38:04,399 --> 00:38:10,099
We're not surgeons watching Grey's Anatomy
or Chicago Med, which is one of my shows.
632
00:38:11,619 --> 00:38:13,419
It's not that serious.
633
00:38:13,419 --> 00:38:20,939
I get it, it's our livelihood, but we need
to let go and have some laughs.
634
00:38:21,059 --> 00:38:25,239
I just came back from Nashville and had an
awesome time being in Nashville.
635
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,379
The food was fantastic.
636
00:38:27,379 --> 00:38:30,599
So if you're looking to get diabetes, I'm
promoting Nashville.
637
00:38:34,875 --> 00:38:37,473
You know.
638
00:38:37,473 --> 00:38:41,873
Oliver, the voice acting director himself,
the great EO, it was great to spend time
639
00:38:41,873 --> 00:38:42,833
with you today.
640
00:38:42,833 --> 00:38:47,073
And we got to, we got out of the habit of
catching up by phone every now and again,
641
00:38:47,073 --> 00:38:48,793
and we need to get back into that.
642
00:38:48,793 --> 00:38:52,352
So this would be a great entree back into
that for you and me.
643
00:38:52,352 --> 00:38:53,983
Thank you for spending time with us today,
man.
644
00:38:53,983 --> 00:38:55,247
I really appreciate it.
645
00:38:55,247 --> 00:38:56,467
No, thank you.
646
00:38:56,467 --> 00:39:00,647
Lots of ratings, big ratings for you.
647
00:39:02,761 --> 00:39:04,079
Alright.
648
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:34,559
I'm lo -
