Episode 131. Gregory Copploe & Dani Forrest: I Am Pink, A Kauai Invitation to Your Authentic Self

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My late husband and I had gone to Kauai a lot together.
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And Greg was like, well, what about Kauai?
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I said, oh, I don't know.
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You know, I was there and I scattered
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my husband's ashes there.
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I'm thinking maybe I'm done with that place.
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And he's like, no, I don't know.
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So we actually went back to, we went to Kauai together,
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Greg and I, we stayed at a different part of the island
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and it was a completely different experience.
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It was like a new island to me.
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And we just had these very intense spiritual experiences,
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nature experiences there together.
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And we went again and a couple of months later,
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we loved it so much.
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And after that second trip, I think,
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Greg was inspired to put together a story
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about finding oneself.
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This is Unconditioning,
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discovering the voice within with Whitney and Jenkins.
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Hello, and welcome to the 131st episode
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of Unconditioning, discovering the voice within,
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where I bring on guests and we talk about
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the inner authentic voice and the challenges
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and the rewards that come from following it.
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This episode, I have with me,
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Gregory Koplow and Danny Forrest.
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Gregory is an author, business owner,
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artist, keynote speaker, and entrepreneur.
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He is the CEO of the team building company,
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Stir Up The Paint.
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And he received his BA in theater arts
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and marketing from UCLA.
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A former television actor
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and entertainment marketing executive,
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Mr. Koplow mentors and supports individuals and groups
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looking to increase personal
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and professional connectivity and growth.
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Danny Forrest is a writer from about the age of eight.
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The earliest work consisted of incredibly optimistic,
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stapled together notebook paper books
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about girls who had dogs and horses
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and who lived in worlds where pluckiness
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always saved the day
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and usually resulted in additional dogs and horses.
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Whatever else came later,
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the writing part stuck.
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In ninth grade, an English teacher
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who more routinely shamed her for gum chewing
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and other in-class faux pas singled her out
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in front of her classmates for her ability.
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That moment stuck too.
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And she remains grateful for the motivation,
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forgiving him for the rest.
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She majored in English at Wellesley College,
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largely to receive credit for the reading and writing
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that she would have done anyway.
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And when she told her honors thesis professor,
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John Polito, that she planned to attend law school,
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he looked at her and said,
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"'Oh dear, I really wish you wouldn't.'"
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But she did.
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Law school happened, actual lawyering not so much,
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and a few other career detours followed.
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Throughout it all, the writing continued
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mostly in the form of journaling.
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The journaling eventually inspired a book
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which took shape largely
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after her husband passed away in 2017.
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The result was 52 Pickup, Life in Perfect Disorder.
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She and Gregory co-wrote a book called I Am Pink,
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which is an uplifting narrative
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that celebrates the courage and bravery
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found in embracing vulnerability
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and surrendering to the transformative power of letting go.
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This book was largely a conversation
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about the personal histories of how they came together
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and developed in the process of this book
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and how it came to life.
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And so here is my conversation with Gregory and Dani,
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and I hope you enjoy.
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Greg, could you share a little bit
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about how you are working together?
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You wanna go or?
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Well, yeah, Greg and I met,
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I would say probably 1994, 1995.
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We both worked at an entertainment company
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called Saban Entertainment.
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That was a children's entertainment company at the time
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that came up with the concept for Power Rangers
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or the Japanese concept
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that they then made for American audience,
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which was anyone who had kids or grandkids
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now know how huge that was back in the 90s.
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So I started out as an assistant to the CEO
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and Greg started out working in the licensing department.
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And we both grew through the company together.
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We received promotions and we were instrumental
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in helping to run
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what became the children's entertainment division.
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And we really connected then.
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And then over time,
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we both sort of diverted into other multiple areas,
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each of us.
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And we came together again rather intensely
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when I was going through the process
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of losing my late husband, Paul.
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He became ill and Greg and I started speaking again.
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We had reconnected to a mutual friend.
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And then after my husband passed,
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when Greg and I traveled together,
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we just found a real nourishing connection.
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And out of that connection,
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one of our trips to Kauai is when I Am Pink was born.
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So our connection has been collaborative.
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It's been friendship.
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It's been sort of spiritual soulmates.
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It's kind of been a little bit of everything
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and it's been really, really lovely
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and I think very uplifting for both of us.
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Yeah, it sounds like.
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So I usually start off the conversation
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with this one question
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and it's usually like on an individual basis.
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So I'm trying to figure out how I can frame this
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so that it applies to both of you at the same time.
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And maybe we can do this individually.
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Yeah, it's okay if it doesn't feel.
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Maybe we can come back to your joint story in a minute
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because I do wanna hear both of you how this applies
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because I think it's relevant
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to how you got to where you are now and rejoined.
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So I like to ask first off,
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because this podcast is about following your inner voice
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or your authenticity.
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Like what is the first time
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that you can remember recognizing
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that you had this inner voice
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or this inner guidance system of your own
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that you were able to follow and recognize?
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And Danny, if you wanna go first
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or Greg, either one of you.
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Well, I think Greg should go since I already said something.
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So Greg, you start.
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Awesome, thank you.
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I started taking a hypnosis class to be certified
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at UCLA in college in the late 80s
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and was kind of at this point
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that I was learning a little bit more
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about the mind and the spirit.
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And I was dating a girl that I was engaged to
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and I was doing very sort of like childlike,
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what a guy would do in his 20s that's not mature,
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very materialistic, leaving like Gucci hang tags
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and things like a restaurant,
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like as a tip and being just completely not connected
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with humanity at all really,
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just really thinking that money was everything
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and shopping only in Beverly Hills.
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And my girlfriend kind of helped guide me a little bit.
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And then it was like at that moment
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that I started to get more in touch with my mortality.
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And I think that's what changed things
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is I had a friend who was in a very bad accident at UCLA
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and he was in a coma for a couple of weeks
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and I almost lost him.
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And I just started thinking about,
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what are you doing?
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What is this journey that you're taking?
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You seem really empty inside,
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don't really understand what love is,
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though you are intertwined in what you think
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and believe are loving relationships.
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You're maneuvering and manipulating things
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that don't feel good when I look in the mirror.
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And I think it was at that point in college
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during this hypnosis session
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when we were meditating,
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that I started to realize that
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maybe I'm just not really a good person
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and that's not who I wanna be.
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And I started to shift my energy at that point
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and start to learn more.
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I was really hungry about just sort of like,
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what can I learn?
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How can I be better?
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How can I change and shift this journey
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and create a different ripple effect?
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Because right now I don't really like what I'm seeing.
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So I think that was the beginning for me,
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that inner voice started to become
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a little bit more vibrant for me.
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Yeah, that's really aware for a college student
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in my opinion, so good for you.
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Thanks, well, I think when you see the dark side,
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you see the dark side of yourself
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and you almost lose someone,
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you get shaken up a little bit,
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go through a little bit of trauma.
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It's not too difficult to jump to the other side
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if you're able to see what's happening
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and you're not stuck in that mindset
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that you weren't before,
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that you're open to something new.
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But it was just, I think for me,
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it was just really like looking in the mirror
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and not enjoying what I was seeing.
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It was all very superficial.
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I was attractive, my body looked great.
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Everything was just exterior.
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There was nothing I was building inside
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and it just felt very empty.
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Even in my relationship, the woman I was engaged to,
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it just felt very empty.
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I was going through what our book is about, I Am Pink.
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I was going through the formula
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of what we're supposed to do in life.
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Get a girlfriend, go to college,
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get this great job, do this stuff.
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And it wasn't feeling good.
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It wasn't aligning.
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I didn't know why I was doing those things.
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I was just told to do them and I did them
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and I was left really empty at that point.
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And luckily I got in touch with it early,
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but yeah, I guess some people wait a little longer.
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It's okay.
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As long as we could.
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What was your connection to religion or spirituality
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as you were growing up in your life?
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Interesting.
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So my mom's Jewish, my dad's Italian Catholic.
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So I went to synagogue on Saturday
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and Catholic school on Sunday.
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So that was interesting.
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Jesus wasn't involved and then Jesus was everything.
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So I started to realize very early on
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that religion is man-made
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and kind of like take the golden nuggets
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from it that you can.
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So in college, I was a Christian.
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I accepted Jesus Christ in my heart and I did all that.
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And it felt really good.
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I was aligned with it because it made me better.
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I was in tune and in touch with being a better person.
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And I thought that was Christianity that was doing that
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when in fact it was me taking my own action to do that.
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But it's okay.
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Now I say, love is my religion.
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That's what I say.
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When people ask me, say, love is my religion.
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And that's not to put down anything that's man-made.
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It's just that I'm not really aligned
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with any religion anymore.
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I'm aligned with the love in each place that religion has.
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I'm aligned with that.
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And so every religion offers that semblance
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in place of love and I connect there.
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Yeah, excellent.
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Okay, Dani, do you want to give your version of this story?
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Sure.
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I think, and this is true of a lot of people,
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I think are very authentic and very in touch
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with themselves and with the collective
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when they're very small children.
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Because when you're young, you're close to the source.
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And over time, it happened to me,
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happens to a lot of people,
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that connectivity, that self-knowledge,
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and that okayness with being who you are
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just gets beaten out of you by family,
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by society, by peer groups,
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by all the ways in which the collective
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doesn't want to deal with its shadow.
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And so I always felt from a very young age
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connected to the things that I love now,
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metaphysics, writing, creativity, animals.
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But I grew up in a family where those types of things
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weren't really valued.
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My father was a very powerful force in my life.
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He was an attorney.
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I went to law school.
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I practiced law for a while.
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It was vastly unnourishing.
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I felt that I had the mind for it,
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but not the nature for it.
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And so I had to spend decades kind of unlearning
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and peeling off all of that stuff
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that had sort of been, that I allowed to be slapped on me.
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And I can't really point to any one day
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or any one moment when it hit me.
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I've had a series of losses in my life.
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And each time I had one, whether it was a grandparent,
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a pet, most recently my late husband,
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it just brought me closer to that knowledge
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that relatively speaking, we each have 15 minutes here.
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So why would I want to spend any one moment
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not in pursuit of what nourishes me
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and what I feel aligned with?
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And as far as my religion, yes, love absolutely.
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I've been, I had a deep interest in astrology, numerology,
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all sorts of things since I was about eight years old.
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And I started to read up almost as if I'd had a past life
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where I knew this, it just came right back to me.
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But I would say right now, the older I get
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and the crazier the collective reality gets,
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yeah, love is always there,
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but my religion is really curiosity at this point,
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because I don't think that there can really be
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any firm basis for either faith or authenticity
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without the ability to ask questions
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and to constantly revise what it is
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that I think I'm about,
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but I think the world is about,
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that the conversations I think that need to be had.
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I'm evolving, my people around me are evolving
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and to maintain a healthy sense of curiosity
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about, I don't know what I know,
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but more importantly, I don't know what I don't know.
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And I'm always in a position
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where I want to be receptive to that.
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So I would say, although I was born and raised a Catholic,
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I do go to mass, but I take what I like
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and I leave the rest.
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I kind of want to be like a bee
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that's going from flower to flower,
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gathering a little nectar from each place.
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That's kind of the place that I'm at,
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is to try to get to a belief system
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that kind of transcends all belief systems,
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if you know what I mean.
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Absolutely, yeah.
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The system is something that I've been thinking about
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a lot myself recently of how we can be authentic
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within the system and be in the system,
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but not of the system and the universe,
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the ultimate system above all systems.
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But what stood out to me in both of your stories
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is it seems that the idea of the impermanence of life
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sort of shifted things for you to focus more
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on what you authentically would love to explore in this life.
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Absolutely, I think a lot of people,
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and there are people in Greg's and my age group,
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and I'm astounded at how they still seem to think
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they have all this time left
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and there's still so much drama and discomfort
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and a willingness to just not fully occupy themselves,
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even though once you're at this point in life,
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you've got way more time behind you
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than you do in front of you.
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So absolutely, the impermanence is something
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that is never, ever far from my mind.
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And also interesting that you were working
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for a children's production company,
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is that right, together?
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Yes.
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That's that inner child theme emerging
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and being connected to that in your day-to-day life.
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How was that for you?
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Well, I love toys.
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If I'm around little girls and they have Barbie dolls,
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I'll get right down on the floor with them
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because I remember how much I loved them.
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And it was very healing in a way,
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because at the same time that I was moving up in the company,
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there was a playfulness.
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And it was such a silly show
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that you really couldn't take it seriously.
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I mean, they're just basically taking Japanese footage
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and intercutting it with very flimsy storylines
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and then shooting it out in the woods.
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With Ventura.
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With the dirt in Ventura.
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So it was just very whimsical.
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And if I were working there now,
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I'd be a lot more charmed because I'd be like,
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oh my God, this is so ridiculous.
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But it's so ridiculous that it's freeing in a way.
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What about you, Greg?
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How was that?
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What was that experience like for you?
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Yeah, I mean, I've been a camp counselor.
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I was at a Bob Mathias Olympic sports camp with kids.
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I'm writing a children's book.
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I'm connected to my inner child.
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Big time.
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You know, I loved it.
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I stayed in it.
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I worked 25 years.
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I became a director of special events at Sony Pictures,
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consumer products division.
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So I worked in toys and got to know everybody for decades.
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And it was fun.
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It was fun.
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We got tours of, you know, you'd go to Toy Fair,
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it's called Toy Fair,
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and you'd go into New York
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and you'd go through the toy building
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and you'd go floor to floor
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and you'd go to Hasbro and Mattel
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and it was all secret,
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all their new stuff that they were releasing in the future.
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It was fun.
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But I've always been a kid.
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I don't think I've really ever grown up.
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I'm always just really childlike.
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One of the things that sort of annoys
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some of my friends that are no longer friends
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because, you know, I only want support around me,
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was that they would say to me,
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you know, God, it's like,
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you've seen it for the first time.
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I go to the ocean.
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I'm like, oh, like, wow.
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Did you see that wave?
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I'm like, oh my God, there's a pelican.
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My friends are like,
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have you not seen a pelican before?
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I'm like, I have.
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I have seen a pelican before,
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but I'm really enjoying this moment and the smells
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and I'm reliving it all over again in the present moment.
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And it's different and it's very alive.
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And a lot of people that bothered them
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because they couldn't find that space within themselves.
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And, you know, I let them go.
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So yeah, I've been a big kid most of my life.
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And my childhood wasn't great.
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So I think, you know, I was forced to be an adult,
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you know, at a very young age,
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kind of like putting my dad's lunch together
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at the age of six, kind of managing the house.
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It was really, really strange.
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So when I went off to college, I just, you know,
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I kind of went crazy.
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I became a kid for the first time.
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And I did, I managed my own time,
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which is something I never got to do before.
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So, you know, I went crazy.
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Thank God they didn't have social media then.
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Cause I had like, I remember waking up in my underwear,
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like under a bush or something.
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It's like, thank you that we didn't have social media,
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but it was fun.
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You know, I don't regret any of it.
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And I think Dani and I just talked about this
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the other day that we're intertwined with certain people
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for a season or a reason, whatever.
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And then I love what Dani said that she says, you know,
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and then the contract's done.
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This really was so freeing to me.
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She said, Greg, you know what?
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Why are you trying to revisit and revise
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and do something with it?
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You know, the contract's done.
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You did what, you fulfilled it.
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You honorably showed up in the best way possible
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and you fulfilled it.
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And it was so freeing because I got to close the door,
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like, oh yeah, oh, okay, that's done.
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Okay, that's done.
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And just kind of closed the door on all the contracts,
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went to chat GPT and kind of like,
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was having a conversation with, you know, AI about it.
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And it was saying that it was so rare
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to reach that place in your life
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that a lot of people never reached that place.
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And it was so simple when Dani said,
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the contracts are done.
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I'm like, oh, I don't have to make it better.
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I don't have to fix it.
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I don't have to go back.
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Like I'm done.
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And now I can create new emotional context
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because now I have the bandwidth, all the junk's gone
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and now I can move forward and create, you know, new ones.
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So anyway, just Dani and I had this conversation
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just the other night and it was very moving for me.
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It really changed my life for sure.
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It was really cool.
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Anyway, one of you knew that Dani.
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Thank you.
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I'm glad.
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Thank you.
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Super sweet.
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It sounds like you have a really great understanding
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of how to keep awe and wonder in your life
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from that childlike presence.
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And also choosing yourself is such a powerful thing
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in closing the doors too.
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You were talking about mortality earlier
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and you have like death rebirth cycles so much in this life.
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And if we're able to surrender that
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then we can lead it to those transformations.
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I mean, the design of the planet is just so, it is awe.
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That's why I can't understand it when people aren't like,
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you know, their mouths aren't open
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and their jaws aren't dropping
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because when you look at it right now,
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we're going through fall outside my window, you know,
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everything is yellow and orange
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and all these beautiful colors
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and like the crows are coming by and I'm feeding.
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I just, I don't know.
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It's just, I'm in awe every time I see it
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and I don't think that will ever change.
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I think, you know, when Danny and I,
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we visit Cannon Beach and we're just,
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we're in awe like we have been there, you know,
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the first time, nothing's the same, nothing's boring.
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The wave shifts and changes, the smells change,
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everything shifts and changes if you can see it.
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So it really is new each time you see it.
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So it does feel fresh and new and all like.
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Yeah, definitely.
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Danny, so how did you both, I suppose,
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transition out of your roles in the toy child world
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into where you are now?
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Well, I'll let Greg speak to kind of what,
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you know, what his journey was after Saban.
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I stayed, the division that we were part of
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got dismantled and as part of that initial dismantling,
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I was laid off along with a lot of other people,
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including the head of that division.
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And, you know, then I worked for some,
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but another contact that I knew in that same business.
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But at the same, but at that time I was also challenged
528
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,479
because I had just lost my brother.
529
00:21:49,479 --> 00:21:53,560
He had passed away and I was just in this altered state
530
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,760
of kind of going through the motions
531
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,359
and thinking that moving up through the corporate ranks
532
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:03,359
of yet another company was what I wanted, but I didn't.
533
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,800
It's like my mind was doing it,
534
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,520
but my soul didn't want that.
535
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,000
And so that second job didn't work out.
536
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,959
Even if I'd really been super into it,
537
00:22:13,959 --> 00:22:15,040
I don't think it would have
538
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,400
because of just the dynamics involved.
539
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,199
It was just kind of a weird sort of, you know,
540
00:22:20,199 --> 00:22:22,560
transitory rebound situation.
541
00:22:23,599 --> 00:22:27,479
And so then I went on a kind of a long journey after that.
542
00:22:27,479 --> 00:22:28,920
I went into teaching.
543
00:22:31,079 --> 00:22:32,520
I taught kids for a while.
544
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,640
I got my teaching credential K through eight.
545
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,520
I pretty much taught everybody from kindergarten
546
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:38,560
all the way through high school,
547
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,760
either in the system or tutoring or SAT prep.
548
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,800
And I enjoyed that as well,
549
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,839
but I also felt like it was very hard
550
00:22:47,839 --> 00:22:50,479
to deal with a system that I was witnessing in real time
551
00:22:50,479 --> 00:22:52,640
sort of beat the creativity
552
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,839
and the meaning out of kids' lives.
553
00:22:54,839 --> 00:22:58,079
And I really couldn't sign on to that also,
554
00:22:58,079 --> 00:22:59,920
although I did get to work in a special program
555
00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:01,959
that really was encouraging for kids.
556
00:23:01,959 --> 00:23:06,599
But I always knew I wanted to be a writer.
557
00:23:06,599 --> 00:23:11,599
And when I met my second husband, my late husband,
558
00:23:11,719 --> 00:23:15,119
he was working at a job in Vegas.
559
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,959
He was working on Let's Make a Deal with Wayne Brady,
560
00:23:17,959 --> 00:23:20,160
the first season they filmed at the Tropicana Hotel.
561
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,439
We actually lived in the Tropicana Hotel.
562
00:23:22,439 --> 00:23:25,560
So I had all this time.
563
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,839
I was able to say goodbye to the last law job,
564
00:23:28,839 --> 00:23:30,119
saying, hey, you know, my husband's moving.
565
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,239
I'm not gonna just let my guy on his own in Vegas.
566
00:23:32,239 --> 00:23:33,920
What woman does that?
567
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,199
And I went with him and I had this time
568
00:23:36,199 --> 00:23:38,599
to really start to reconnect,
569
00:23:38,599 --> 00:23:41,800
to grieve the loss of my first marriage when it ended,
570
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,040
to revisit what I'd gone through with my brother
571
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,400
and to just start to connect to the person I wanted to be.
572
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,719
And that started a whole new journey.
573
00:23:48,719 --> 00:23:52,400
I got more involved in wellness and yoga and Pilates
574
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,000
after Paul passed away,
575
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,040
got certified as a yoga instructor.
576
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:02,040
And I felt like a different kind of path started to meet
577
00:24:02,599 --> 00:24:07,079
so that I could really teach wellness,
578
00:24:07,079 --> 00:24:09,400
but also live it by aligning myself
579
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,000
with what my soul had always wanted to do
580
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,119
since I was like six or seven years old.
581
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,439
So I would say it took like 20 years
582
00:24:15,439 --> 00:24:18,560
to get from that path that I was on with Greg
583
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,319
onto one that I felt would be more sustaining
584
00:24:21,319 --> 00:24:23,319
for this part of my life.
585
00:24:23,319 --> 00:24:26,400
And that's a big part of the work that I do
586
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:27,920
with other people.
587
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:32,920
And when I teach, whether it's doing counseling one-on-one,
588
00:24:33,239 --> 00:24:36,760
I work with people who have had addiction in their family.
589
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,280
It's like, there's no textbook that says
590
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,359
you have to have it all together by a certain point.
591
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:42,920
We're always reinventing ourselves.
592
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,000
I am a living example of reinvention
593
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,359
and of taking the slow boat to alignment.
594
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,439
So I would say that that path that I was on,
595
00:24:52,439 --> 00:24:53,959
it took me a long time
596
00:24:53,959 --> 00:24:58,239
and it went on a lot of little side streets and cul-de-sacs,
597
00:24:58,239 --> 00:24:59,920
but I'm really glad that it did
598
00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:02,640
because all of those cumulative experiences
599
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,760
has made me who I am now.
600
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,199
And I hope to keep going that way.
601
00:25:07,199 --> 00:25:09,040
I hope to keep exploring.
602
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,319
Yeah, so you mentioned writing.
603
00:25:11,319 --> 00:25:14,439
Was writing something that was always a part of you?
604
00:25:14,439 --> 00:25:15,280
Yes.
605
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:16,119
Yeah.
606
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,239
I started writing little books
607
00:25:18,239 --> 00:25:19,880
when I was probably eight or nine years old
608
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,959
on the line paper and doing illustrations
609
00:25:22,959 --> 00:25:24,520
and slapping the staples together.
610
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,400
That was just kind of my thing.
611
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,599
I majored in English at college.
612
00:25:28,599 --> 00:25:33,239
I did a series of short stories for my honors thesis.
613
00:25:33,239 --> 00:25:37,119
And then, you know, the whole law school corporate,
614
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,959
you know, let's move up in the world bandwagon came along.
615
00:25:39,959 --> 00:25:42,000
And I jumped on that even though my thesis professor said,
616
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,680
what are you doing?
617
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,040
And I'm like, oh, you know, I'll just do this.
618
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,479
And, you know, but the writing always called me back,
619
00:25:49,479 --> 00:25:50,599
always called me back.
620
00:25:50,599 --> 00:25:53,760
And I had almost finished my first,
621
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,359
my solo book at the time, you know,
622
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,719
Greg and Pink came along with Pink.
623
00:25:57,719 --> 00:26:00,199
And so that just kind of set me going.
624
00:26:00,199 --> 00:26:01,920
And here I am, I'm still doing it.
625
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,839
Yeah, the writing was an anchor for you.
626
00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:04,680
It sounds like.
627
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:05,920
Yes.
628
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,000
How did I not know that you lived at the Tropicana Hotel?
629
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,959
For how long did you do that, one year?
630
00:26:13,079 --> 00:26:15,880
We lived, probably for seven or eight months,
631
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:16,719
we lived there.
632
00:26:16,719 --> 00:26:18,719
And then the show came back and then was in Los Angeles
633
00:26:18,719 --> 00:26:20,920
and he only worked on it for the first season.
634
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,880
But yeah, I was a Vegas girl.
635
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,839
It was interesting to like explore life off the strip.
636
00:26:26,839 --> 00:26:28,599
I can't picture that, I'm trying to picture that.
637
00:26:28,599 --> 00:26:30,280
Was that, that was off the strip, right?
638
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:31,880
It's in the downtown Vegas, right?
639
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:32,719
Tropicana.
640
00:26:32,719 --> 00:26:33,640
No, no, Tropicana was on the strip.
641
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,680
Now they've torn the whole thing down now.
642
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,439
So they're gonna put something else up.
643
00:26:37,439 --> 00:26:39,760
But yeah, it was right there by McCarran Airport.
644
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:40,880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
645
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:41,719
You were right.
646
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:44,119
Cool.
647
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:44,959
Yeah.
648
00:26:44,959 --> 00:26:46,800
Okay, Greg, your turn.
649
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,640
Yeah, so I stayed in entertainment for a while.
650
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,599
Dani, Dani was amazing in entertainment too.
651
00:26:53,599 --> 00:26:57,560
She was a director at Saban and ran big meetings
652
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:58,400
and kind of held everything.
653
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,560
And she was kind of like the right hand of the president.
654
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,119
Really, she orchestrated everything.
655
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,959
And she worked, started as an assistant for Haim Saban.
656
00:27:06,959 --> 00:27:08,800
So I just kind of wanted to add a little bit of that,
657
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,680
that she was always kind of like pretty high level.
658
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,319
And it was her choice to go on a different journey
659
00:27:13,319 --> 00:27:14,160
and that's all good.
660
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,599
Entertainment's really hard and it can spit you out
661
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,680
and chew you up and you don't feel good about a lot of it.
662
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,199
But I stayed in it.
663
00:27:22,199 --> 00:27:25,880
I went from Saban to Sony Pictures.
664
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,239
And that's where I became a director of special events
665
00:27:28,239 --> 00:27:30,920
for Sony Pictures Consumer Products.
666
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,920
And I did all the toy fairs and licensing shows
667
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,719
and all the, everything that was event related.
668
00:27:36,719 --> 00:27:38,560
And I went on to work.
669
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:39,800
I was kind of tired of entertainment.
670
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,000
I moved to San Diego to La Jolla and went,
671
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,520
worked for Upper Deck and I worked with athletes.
672
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,520
So I produced and was a director of special events
673
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:48,119
for Upper Deck.
674
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,439
So I worked with LeBron James and Derek Jeter and all that.
675
00:27:50,439 --> 00:27:52,319
And I have to say it was a lot more fun.
676
00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:55,000
Athletes are really kind of down to earth,
677
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,319
humble, a little bit shy and kind of awkward
678
00:27:57,319 --> 00:27:59,560
and just fun to work with.
679
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,680
They don't lead you around by a leash
680
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,040
and they don't need gummy bears from Germany in their room
681
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,239
and all this weird stuff that I was doing
682
00:28:07,239 --> 00:28:08,839
when I was at Sony.
683
00:28:09,719 --> 00:28:14,719
And then I just, I found myself unemployed.
684
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,079
The great recession kind of came along
685
00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:19,439
and I was really struggling.
686
00:28:19,439 --> 00:28:23,319
And I answered a really bad ad in Craigslist
687
00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:28,319
for a licensee to run a paint and sit program in Seattle.
688
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,319
And they offered drink tickets and stuff.
689
00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:32,000
It was really cheesy ad.
690
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,040
And I also painted.
691
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,560
So in 2001, when my dad passed away, I started painting.
692
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,680
So I became a pretty good artist as well.
693
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,439
So I had the event background, the art background.
694
00:28:39,439 --> 00:28:42,680
I thought this might be a nice merger together.
695
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,280
And I went to the interview.
696
00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:45,760
I didn't want to, but I figured,
697
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:46,599
there's an exit door.
698
00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:49,359
If I didn't like it, I could just exit and call it a day.
699
00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:51,199
And the owner was there.
700
00:28:51,199 --> 00:28:53,160
And I arrived early and I was all dressed up
701
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:54,439
and just really kind of prepared.
702
00:28:54,439 --> 00:28:57,040
Like if I'm gonna go, I show up a hundred percent.
703
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,599
And we connected and I ended up getting that gig.
704
00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:03,359
So I became a licensee in Seattle
705
00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:05,640
for a company, a paint and sip company.
706
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,680
And I built that business into a half a million dollar
707
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,920
business, which is kind of shocking when I look at it.
708
00:29:11,959 --> 00:29:13,640
Yeah. And then during the pandemic,
709
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,439
I just, I kind of redid it all over again
710
00:29:16,439 --> 00:29:18,400
under my own brand.
711
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,719
There were a lot of things about the paint and sip.
712
00:29:20,719 --> 00:29:24,199
I wanted my brand to be more spiritual, more uplift,
713
00:29:24,199 --> 00:29:29,160
more kind of life coach with paint or art therapy.
714
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,239
And so I was able to kind of just reinvent that
715
00:29:32,239 --> 00:29:33,239
and do that.
716
00:29:33,239 --> 00:29:34,920
And it's been really great.
717
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,439
And, you know, just everything creative, you know,
718
00:29:37,439 --> 00:29:40,880
writing, painting, you know, event planning,
719
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,119
all that stuff kind of falls in my wheelhouse.
720
00:29:43,119 --> 00:29:44,359
Cool. Just for the listeners,
721
00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:46,920
would you be able to explain what a paint and sip is
722
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:47,839
a little more?
723
00:29:47,839 --> 00:29:50,640
Yeah. So a master artist will walk you through a painting
724
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,680
during a two hour event and you take home your masterpiece.
725
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,719
So you select the painting like on a website
726
00:29:56,719 --> 00:29:58,000
and then we'll walk you through it.
727
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,439
And we'll talk about, you know,
728
00:29:59,439 --> 00:30:01,880
while you're feeling a certain way, be kind to yourself
729
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,839
and we'll teach you how to mix and whatever.
730
00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:06,800
But you do walk away with a version of that painting
731
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,959
that you've created and we take photos and stuff.
732
00:30:08,959 --> 00:30:11,199
And that's basically the event.
733
00:30:11,199 --> 00:30:13,040
We do a lot of private events
734
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,400
and a lot of corporate team building stuff
735
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,920
where you might have a large painting
736
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,800
that's divided up into 20 canvases
737
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,280
and they each paint a little bit
738
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:22,959
and they all come together and create the,
739
00:30:22,959 --> 00:30:23,959
you know, the big painting.
740
00:30:23,959 --> 00:30:24,920
So super popular.
741
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,079
I'm starting to hit high season now.
742
00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:28,319
So I'm starting to feel it.
743
00:30:28,319 --> 00:30:31,079
I have like, I personally have four events a week,
744
00:30:31,079 --> 00:30:33,880
but I have another six that my other artists are handling
745
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,599
and I can see kind of like,
746
00:30:35,599 --> 00:30:37,599
things are kind of like going up there,
747
00:30:37,599 --> 00:30:38,439
which I'm glad,
748
00:30:38,439 --> 00:30:41,040
because this summer was just completely dead.
749
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,760
I was going out of my mind, which was good.
750
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,479
So I got to focus a little bit more on my book
751
00:30:46,479 --> 00:30:48,239
and more on painting,
752
00:30:48,239 --> 00:30:50,119
but there's always some avenue of creativity
753
00:30:50,119 --> 00:30:52,640
that I can kind of, you know, go to,
754
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,319
yeah, entertain myself.
755
00:30:54,319 --> 00:30:57,680
Yeah, so how did your paths converge again
756
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,880
and how did you end up working together?
757
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:02,880
Dan, do you want to take it?
758
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,439
Yeah, well, like I said,
759
00:31:06,479 --> 00:31:07,880
Greg and I reconnected, you know,
760
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,119
during my late husband's transition.
761
00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:11,719
I would say this is probably,
762
00:31:11,719 --> 00:31:15,719
it was 2017, he passed in 2017.
763
00:31:15,719 --> 00:31:19,560
And the following year, you know, we'd been talking
764
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,160
and he said, you know what, you know,
765
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,079
there's this really great place I love to go to,
766
00:31:24,079 --> 00:31:27,239
Cannon Beach, and I think you need to, you know,
767
00:31:27,239 --> 00:31:28,880
start getting out a little more and go there.
768
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,239
I mean, I had been taking trips with, you know,
769
00:31:32,239 --> 00:31:33,239
my folks and people,
770
00:31:33,239 --> 00:31:37,560
but I hadn't seen Greg in, I don't know,
771
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:38,959
20 years at that point.
772
00:31:38,959 --> 00:31:41,439
So he says, yeah, just fly up, you know,
773
00:31:41,439 --> 00:31:43,040
I'll pick you up, we're just gonna go to Cannon Beach.
774
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,079
So we hadn't seen each other for 20 years.
775
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:47,479
So I fly up to Seattle, he picks me up
776
00:31:47,479 --> 00:31:50,359
and we drive to Cannon Beach and on the way,
777
00:31:50,359 --> 00:31:52,280
it's kind of like no time had passed.
778
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:53,119
It's like, oh, hey, how are you?
779
00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:53,959
Okay, blah, blah, blah, blah.
780
00:31:53,959 --> 00:31:55,959
And we're, you know, talking nonstop the entire time.
781
00:31:55,959 --> 00:31:59,520
We spent, you know, three, four days there.
782
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,079
And we went back again to Cannon Beach, you know,
783
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:04,800
last year.
784
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,199
But we had such a good time together.
785
00:32:08,199 --> 00:32:10,079
And frankly, when you get older,
786
00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:12,040
it's really precious to find somebody
787
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,560
that you could actually travel with
788
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,560
because I like my alone time and my space.
789
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:17,400
And so does Greg.
790
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:18,239
It's like, oh my God,
791
00:32:18,239 --> 00:32:20,079
we could actually like respect each other's space and time
792
00:32:20,079 --> 00:32:21,560
and still have lots to say to each other.
793
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:22,719
We like to do the same things.
794
00:32:22,719 --> 00:32:24,119
And, you know, we like to be active.
795
00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:25,719
We like seafood and all this stuff
796
00:32:25,719 --> 00:32:29,199
that a lot of would be deal breakers between other people.
797
00:32:29,199 --> 00:32:33,199
So after Cannon Beach, the first time he says,
798
00:32:33,199 --> 00:32:34,479
I think I loved it.
799
00:32:34,479 --> 00:32:35,319
I love the beach.
800
00:32:35,319 --> 00:32:36,160
We've got to go back.
801
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:37,560
I said, yeah, but it was very windy there.
802
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:38,920
And the sand felt like needles.
803
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,479
And, you know, how about like a tropical place?
804
00:32:42,479 --> 00:32:46,079
And my late husband and I had gone to Kauai a lot together.
805
00:32:46,079 --> 00:32:47,839
And Greg's like, well, what about Kauai?
806
00:32:47,839 --> 00:32:49,079
I said, oh, I don't know.
807
00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:50,040
You know, I was there
808
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:51,520
and I scattered my husband's ashes there.
809
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,280
I'm thinking maybe I'm done with that place.
810
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:54,959
And he's like, no, I don't know.
811
00:32:54,959 --> 00:32:57,319
So we actually went back to,
812
00:32:57,319 --> 00:32:58,520
we went to Kauai together, Greg.
813
00:32:58,839 --> 00:33:00,359
We stayed in a different part of the island
814
00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:01,880
and it was a completely different experience.
815
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:02,959
It was like a new island to me.
816
00:33:02,959 --> 00:33:07,880
And we just had these very intense spiritual experiences,
817
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,479
nature experiences there together.
818
00:33:10,479 --> 00:33:13,520
And we went again a couple of months later.
819
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:14,400
We loved it so much.
820
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,719
And after that second trip,
821
00:33:17,719 --> 00:33:20,920
I think Greg was inspired to put together a story
822
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,760
about finding oneself, but using Kauai as a backdrop.
823
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,520
And so in 2022, I think it was,
824
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,520
he sent me a draft, a very rough draft
825
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:30,760
of a story he'd put together.
826
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,640
I was in Kauai at the time with my fiance and some friends.
827
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,640
He didn't even, Greg didn't even know I was there.
828
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,719
But like I tell everybody, that island,
829
00:33:38,719 --> 00:33:41,680
whenever I'm there, it always asks me to do something.
830
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,000
I have to process something.
831
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,079
A lot of it's unpleasant, inconvenient.
832
00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:46,800
I have to face up to certain realities.
833
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,400
But this last trip, the island said, okay,
834
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,839
there's something that needs to be birthed,
835
00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:52,839
to create a story,
836
00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:55,160
something that you need to be involved with.
837
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,040
And I didn't think that at the time
838
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,119
because I just gave my opinion on it.
839
00:33:59,119 --> 00:34:00,880
And, you know, eventually Greg said,
840
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,439
well, let's just, you know, work on it.
841
00:34:02,439 --> 00:34:03,280
You could edit it.
842
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:04,839
So I started editing it
843
00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:06,599
and then it became more than editorship.
844
00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:07,880
And he said, you know what?
845
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,280
I think it's time for a co-write.
846
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,959
And we just started throwing chapters back and forth.
847
00:34:12,959 --> 00:34:15,360
And that's how I Am Pink was born.
848
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,320
That's how the collaboration became alive.
849
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,040
And that's what we've done so far.
850
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,679
There'll probably be more in the future.
851
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:23,520
I hope there will be,
852
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,959
but that was the genesis of our work,
853
00:34:26,959 --> 00:34:31,840
not just as friends, but as creative collaborators.
854
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,399
It's really profound, like the transformation
855
00:34:35,399 --> 00:34:37,239
that that location has given you
856
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,479
of the death and birthing process.
857
00:34:39,479 --> 00:34:40,320
That's-
858
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,199
Yes, it is.
859
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:43,040
Yeah, and we started over.
860
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,040
I mean, I thought I was done with the book
861
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,080
and I wanted Danny to help me.
862
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,679
And Danny's like, oh, you know,
863
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:49,560
if we really want to go in this co-author thing,
864
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:50,719
then, you know, we have another year.
865
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,040
I'm like, another year?
866
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,120
I'm like, oh no, like, I don't want to do that.
867
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,239
And then I thought about it and she's like,
868
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,760
well, you know, do you want it to be better?
869
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:01,840
Do you want it to be deeper?
870
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:02,919
Do you want it to be, you know,
871
00:35:02,919 --> 00:35:05,320
we can work on it for three years,
872
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:06,840
but I think, you know, a year would do it.
873
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,840
And so we really started over chapter by chapter,
874
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,239
kind of breaking it down, looking at it.
875
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,800
Danny introduced, you know, some more characters,
876
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,959
you know, the rhetoric, the feeling, the vulnerability.
877
00:35:17,959 --> 00:35:20,679
Having two people now share vulnerability
878
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,800
was very different and just deeper.
879
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,000
So I could see how far I could go
880
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,959
and then Danny would whip something back to me.
881
00:35:27,959 --> 00:35:29,800
I'm like, oh, you know,
882
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,080
there's a female perspective of vulnerability
883
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,760
that I don't have and I really liked that.
884
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,560
The character was female, like this is making sense.
885
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,239
So yeah, it was really, really cool.
886
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,439
We collaborate well, we understand each other well,
887
00:35:44,439 --> 00:35:46,320
we respect each other.
888
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,719
There's just kind of an unconditional understanding
889
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,879
that we have and we lift each other up
890
00:35:52,879 --> 00:35:54,000
and make each other better.
891
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:54,840
It's really wonderful.
892
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,040
I'm really lucky.
893
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,360
Yeah, it sounds like you were able
894
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:58,879
to push the edges together.
895
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,600
Yeah, they were really like bumpy edges.
896
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,879
So we got to smooth out a little bit.
897
00:36:07,879 --> 00:36:09,439
So what is the premise of the book
898
00:36:09,439 --> 00:36:13,320
for the listeners of the story and how it came to life?
899
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:15,760
Well, the first-
900
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,080
No, go ahead.
901
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:22,080
Well, the premise of it is the fact that so,
902
00:36:23,439 --> 00:36:25,360
and I think I spoke to this a little bit,
903
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,239
I think we both did when it came to authenticity,
904
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:32,239
is that so many of us are socialized by the collective,
905
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,560
by things that we're not always aware of,
906
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:37,959
but sometimes things we are aware of,
907
00:36:37,959 --> 00:36:42,959
society, family, to follow a very formulaic path in life.
908
00:36:42,959 --> 00:36:46,479
You get an education, you have a great job slash career,
909
00:36:46,479 --> 00:36:48,879
you get married, you have kids, you get a house,
910
00:36:48,879 --> 00:36:52,639
and then you get a bigger house and you go on vacations
911
00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:56,679
and you have all the trappings that society says
912
00:36:57,479 --> 00:37:01,399
are markers of happiness and success.
913
00:37:01,399 --> 00:37:04,159
And so the protagonist of the story
914
00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:09,159
is somebody who has really done the work toward that,
915
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,760
but hasn't found anything other than imbalance,
916
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,560
exhaustion, resentment, and ill health.
917
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:22,560
And so he just one day kind of flouts
918
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,760
what the CEO of his company is telling him he has to do
919
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,280
and says, I need to take a vacation,
920
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:28,320
I've never had a vacation.
921
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,959
And he takes a few days and he goes to Kauai.
922
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,959
And like I've kind of hinted before,
923
00:37:36,959 --> 00:37:40,679
the island held for him a lot of lessons,
924
00:37:40,679 --> 00:37:44,239
a lot of messages, a lot of invitations.
925
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:48,000
And while those aren't the same types of lessons,
926
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,840
invitations, and urges that every single human being
927
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,639
would have, the whole thing is a metaphor
928
00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:56,199
for what can happen when you open yourself up
929
00:37:56,199 --> 00:38:00,840
to the power of saying yes, and the power of trusting,
930
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,479
and the power of being intentional
931
00:38:03,479 --> 00:38:05,080
about how you wanna feel,
932
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,959
but also having the kind of faith and trust
933
00:38:06,959 --> 00:38:11,479
where you can let the universe sort out the details.
934
00:38:11,479 --> 00:38:14,679
And he meets a very powerful teacher there,
935
00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:18,800
a love interest and other people who helped to lift him up
936
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:23,080
through that very bumpy journey that he takes
937
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,159
toward coming home to him himself.
938
00:38:26,879 --> 00:38:28,280
Yeah, and there were parts of it,
939
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:29,959
there are parts of it, Whitney,
940
00:38:29,959 --> 00:38:31,959
that are obviously very real.
941
00:38:31,959 --> 00:38:33,879
You take things, you take your life experience,
942
00:38:33,879 --> 00:38:35,040
you pour it into a book,
943
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,040
but there was a woman there,
944
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,600
the first time we saw her, I saw her on the beach,
945
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,199
she looked kind of like a witch,
946
00:38:42,199 --> 00:38:44,320
like her hair was kind of broken,
947
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,639
and she just, I don't know,
948
00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:46,879
there was something really mysterious
949
00:38:46,879 --> 00:38:49,360
and very different and off about her.
950
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,959
And I remember like feeling,
951
00:38:51,959 --> 00:38:54,800
just my antennas kind of went up when she was around,
952
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,280
and she walks by me and she says,
953
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,560
pink, and like leaves,
954
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,120
and I'm like, oh shit, am I sunburned?
955
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,600
And like looking around,
956
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,560
and like, I don't know where she is,
957
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,040
like she's gone, it was really strange.
958
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,439
And then Danny and I went back the second time,
959
00:39:10,439 --> 00:39:13,879
true story, I just, this really freaks me out.
960
00:39:13,879 --> 00:39:16,919
Well, the island, it's so like incredible.
961
00:39:16,919 --> 00:39:18,679
But anyway, we're in the middle of the Pacific
962
00:39:18,679 --> 00:39:20,879
at this one beach,
963
00:39:20,879 --> 00:39:25,879
and this woman like pops up like from under the water,
964
00:39:25,959 --> 00:39:28,199
and it's this woman,
965
00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:31,639
she's like, isn't the ocean so healing?
966
00:39:31,639 --> 00:39:35,239
And I'm like, oh my God, Danny, there's that woman.
967
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,719
So it's like, we went in April and we go back in July
968
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:38,760
and we see the same woman,
969
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:43,719
it's just, so she ends up being a protagonist in our story.
970
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,239
But there was a lot of real life things
971
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,080
that happened on that island
972
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,280
that are just like so crazy to even like,
973
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:54,919
believe that they happened,
974
00:39:54,919 --> 00:39:58,040
that it just infused what I think
975
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,439
is a really beautiful book.
976
00:39:59,439 --> 00:40:01,919
But it's more than just letting go,
977
00:40:01,919 --> 00:40:03,800
it's really like Danny said, saying yes,
978
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,959
and then taking a different path,
979
00:40:05,959 --> 00:40:09,159
not having the answers, not knowing where you're going,
980
00:40:09,159 --> 00:40:12,120
having all that insecurity and vulnerability and uncertainty
981
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,959
and still walking down the path.
982
00:40:13,959 --> 00:40:16,040
That's where the rewards and the gifts are.
983
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,840
And everybody talks about it,
984
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,199
but, and it sounds nice,
985
00:40:20,199 --> 00:40:21,800
but we don't do it
986
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,760
because it's super, super uncomfortable.
987
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,760
And we don't know if we're going to go further down
988
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,000
and it scares, just scares us.
989
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,919
So this character does that.
990
00:40:31,919 --> 00:40:34,159
He gets a lot of rewards within that.
991
00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:35,719
He's scared too.
992
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,080
He goes to cry on that vacation.
993
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:39,159
He doesn't come back.
994
00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:42,919
Yeah, he doesn't come back to his other life.
995
00:40:42,919 --> 00:40:46,040
He stays there and repurposes,
996
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,239
reimagines a whole new existence
997
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,719
and becomes an actual real important person on that island.
998
00:40:52,639 --> 00:40:53,840
You know, and has no idea
999
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,679
that that's about to all happen to him
1000
00:40:55,679 --> 00:40:58,560
only because he said, yeah, I'm open to this journey.
1001
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,679
That's the only reason why it happened.
1002
00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:01,560
Yeah.
1003
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,639
I really loved the word that you said, Danny.
1004
00:41:03,639 --> 00:41:05,360
Invitation stood out to me
1005
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:09,639
of being a really prominent theme of the book.
1006
00:41:09,639 --> 00:41:11,760
And I really loved the way that felt
1007
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,879
of being given the invitation
1008
00:41:14,879 --> 00:41:19,040
to explore a different path, a different way.
1009
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:23,800
Well, I feel that we are all being given invitations,
1010
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,360
but we make a lot of excuses
1011
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,639
because the invitation doesn't come in the way
1012
00:41:29,639 --> 00:41:31,040
that we think it should
1013
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,360
or with the timing that we think it should.
1014
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:39,360
But I think the important thing about invitations,
1015
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,040
like, you know, the invitation from Greg
1016
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:46,919
to go to Cannon Beach
1017
00:41:46,919 --> 00:41:49,399
or the invitation to go to Kauai
1018
00:41:49,399 --> 00:41:51,239
when I felt like I was done.
1019
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,520
I kind of now am guided invitationally
1020
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,399
by how I want to feel.
1021
00:41:56,399 --> 00:41:59,439
And if a suggestion sparked something in me,
1022
00:41:59,439 --> 00:42:02,800
that's like, huh, here's a possibility.
1023
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,320
Instead of saying, oh, I'm stupid.
1024
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:05,479
Why would I think that?
1025
00:42:05,479 --> 00:42:07,800
Oh, I have, I got this obligation.
1026
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,239
I got that obligation.
1027
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:14,239
And I think the more we say yes to the invitations,
1028
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,080
the more we get other invitations
1029
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:22,520
and the more we increase our capability
1030
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,439
of saying yes through all the noise
1031
00:42:25,439 --> 00:42:30,439
that everything puts on us and get us to say no.
1032
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,439
I think people tend to see invitations more as demands
1033
00:42:35,439 --> 00:42:40,439
instead of like a door opening into a possibility.
1034
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,840
And like I said before, we don't know what we don't know.
1035
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,719
There's such a vast possibility out there,
1036
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,159
a vast amount of information
1037
00:42:52,159 --> 00:42:54,399
that could become really intensely relevant to us
1038
00:42:54,399 --> 00:42:55,479
if we just walk through that door.
1039
00:42:55,479 --> 00:42:57,280
But so many people,
1040
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,560
they're happier staying in the hallway.
1041
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,320
Oh, I don't want to go through that door.
1042
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:02,320
What's behind there?
1043
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,560
Oh, I think I'll just stay here.
1044
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,919
And there are a lot of people that they get,
1045
00:43:08,919 --> 00:43:10,840
they're empowered by saying no.
1046
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,919
They collect and gather invitations.
1047
00:43:12,919 --> 00:43:14,199
And they're like, oh, that's not good enough.
1048
00:43:14,199 --> 00:43:15,040
That's not good.
1049
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,800
And they feel very powerful being able to say no.
1050
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,399
It's really interesting how they're stopping their life
1051
00:43:21,399 --> 00:43:23,760
or waiting for the better one to come along,
1052
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:24,639
whatever that means.
1053
00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:25,479
I don't know.
1054
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:28,199
I don't know what that means either.
1055
00:43:28,199 --> 00:43:30,120
Yeah, I don't know.
1056
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:31,840
Perfection, all these things that we're attaining,
1057
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,719
it's like, I don't know what that is.
1058
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,239
I was explaining to someone the other day
1059
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,800
that perfection was actually different with every person,
1060
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:39,840
that their happy moment,
1061
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,399
their greatest moment or whatever is unique to them.
1062
00:43:42,399 --> 00:43:43,479
And it's not universal.
1063
00:43:43,479 --> 00:43:46,080
And people are like, wow.
1064
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,360
We can't actually use that term universally.
1065
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,280
So how did writing the book invite new invitations
1066
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:55,560
for the both of you?
1067
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,040
I feel like writing the book wasn't,
1068
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,360
it was an invitation again that I wasn't expecting.
1069
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,600
And I would have,
1070
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,399
I never thought that I'd be a co-author
1071
00:44:09,399 --> 00:44:11,639
or even an editor on it
1072
00:44:11,639 --> 00:44:15,719
because I'm very respectful of artists
1073
00:44:16,399 --> 00:44:18,679
and I would never wanna tell anybody how to do their art,
1074
00:44:18,679 --> 00:44:19,560
how to do their idea,
1075
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,840
how to do their writing, their painting, whatever.
1076
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,840
But Greg really invited me.
1077
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:29,840
And what that invitation communicated to me from him
1078
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,639
was trust.
1079
00:44:31,639 --> 00:44:36,639
He trusted me with the story and with the characters.
1080
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,560
So I think when we talk about invitations,
1081
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,280
we talk about trusting where it's come from,
1082
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,239
but also trusting ourselves to step up.
1083
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:52,080
And being invited into that process with Greg,
1084
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:57,080
it was a very, very healing experience for me.
1085
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,120
We were just coming out of the pandemic,
1086
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:03,439
which caused me personally a lot of anxiety.
1087
00:45:03,439 --> 00:45:04,719
It re-triggered a lot of stuff
1088
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,120
that I probably hadn't processed
1089
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,840
from having lost my husband a couple of years before that.
1090
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,800
And so I just felt that delving into the story
1091
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,080
of a yearning soul
1092
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,199
and the people who stepped forward to help him
1093
00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:20,520
and to help him heal
1094
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,600
was kind of a beautiful art imitating life
1095
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:23,760
of how this project
1096
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,639
and Greg had stepped into my life and my space
1097
00:45:26,639 --> 00:45:28,760
to invite me into a healing journey.
1098
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:30,879
Beautiful.
1099
00:45:30,879 --> 00:45:31,719
Greg?
1100
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:32,560
Yeah, and as an author,
1101
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,360
I mean, you have to show up differently.
1102
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,760
So you get invitations to do book signings
1103
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,520
and you get invitations to do podcasts
1104
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,520
and all of a sudden people look at you in a different way
1105
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:44,439
and even with my business,
1106
00:45:44,439 --> 00:45:45,439
people would come up and say,
1107
00:45:45,439 --> 00:45:46,719
oh, I read your book.
1108
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,360
Like I was at Expedia the other day
1109
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,959
and the organizer read my book or read our book
1110
00:45:51,959 --> 00:45:55,639
and it was just kind of cool.
1111
00:45:55,639 --> 00:45:58,239
So you do get,
1112
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,760
it opens the world up in a different way
1113
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,719
that you don't have to be ready for,
1114
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,080
but I don't think that would happen in either way
1115
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:07,919
if you didn't write a book.
1116
00:46:07,919 --> 00:46:11,040
And I think just kind of putting yourself out there,
1117
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,800
being a bit vulnerable and dangling
1118
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,959
and some of the invitations that we wanted didn't come too.
1119
00:46:16,959 --> 00:46:18,560
That happens too.
1120
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,040
The expectations that we had of what was gonna happen
1121
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,760
because the book won awards and things.
1122
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,080
Oprah had written to me a long time ago
1123
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,959
and we thought she was gonna take,
1124
00:46:29,959 --> 00:46:31,879
she said she was waiting for it or something
1125
00:46:31,879 --> 00:46:34,639
and it's a long story, but it really was her.
1126
00:46:34,639 --> 00:46:36,879
And then I never heard from her again,
1127
00:46:36,879 --> 00:46:37,879
it's this whole thing.
1128
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,600
And it's just, I think what Danny and I learned was
1129
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,919
show up and you get more invitations.
1130
00:46:44,919 --> 00:46:45,760
Yeah, I think so.
1131
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:46,959
So we're just walking through,
1132
00:46:46,959 --> 00:46:48,879
yeah, we're walking through the door, yeah.
1133
00:46:48,879 --> 00:46:50,360
I'm curious because you're both
1134
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,840
kind of in the entertainment production space
1135
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,439
or have been, do you envision this as a film
1136
00:46:55,439 --> 00:46:57,479
at any point, your book?
1137
00:46:57,479 --> 00:47:02,479
Oh, I absolutely do envision Pink as a wonderful film.
1138
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,280
I think it could be very, very adapted
1139
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,280
or very well adapted to that.
1140
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,800
But realistically speaking,
1141
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:15,800
whether you've got an idea for a book, a TV series, a movie,
1142
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,840
there's so much out there.
1143
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:24,840
My fiance is a musician and there's like 100,000 songs a day
1144
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,360
being uploaded onto Spotify.
1145
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:28,679
I mean, how are you gonna stand out?
1146
00:47:28,679 --> 00:47:30,600
You need to have a champion that,
1147
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,399
kind of like an Oprah type person.
1148
00:47:33,399 --> 00:47:37,239
So yeah, I do see it as a movie,
1149
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,360
but I just feel that the more we continue
1150
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,719
to put ourselves out there, talk about the book.
1151
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,239
I don't know who's going to be listening
1152
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,439
to this podcast or other podcasts.
1153
00:47:46,439 --> 00:47:51,199
I don't know who's going to be scrolling through Audible
1154
00:47:51,199 --> 00:47:54,080
or Kindle or Amazon and see it and connect and go,
1155
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,600
you know what, I have the connections and the capabilities.
1156
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,239
I'd like to get behind this.
1157
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,959
So I do see it as that, but at the same time,
1158
00:48:01,959 --> 00:48:05,520
I don't need to, we've come to the point
1159
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,320
where we don't need to concern ourselves
1160
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,919
with what comes and who it comes from.
1161
00:48:10,919 --> 00:48:12,959
Just seeing the possibility, I think,
1162
00:48:12,959 --> 00:48:14,080
for us at this point is enough.
1163
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:15,280
I mean, we've given birth to something
1164
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:16,239
that we're both really proud of
1165
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:17,600
and whatever happens with that,
1166
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,159
how that baby grows up, whatever.
1167
00:48:20,159 --> 00:48:22,239
But we brought it into this world
1168
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,239
and I think we're both very, very happy and pleased
1169
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,600
with what it's done for us individually
1170
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,679
and for what it's added to kind of the collective.
1171
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,760
And I think maybe because of our background,
1172
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,120
it does have a kind of a cinematic feel to it.
1173
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,040
95% of the people that read it all agreed
1174
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,639
that they felt that it was very movie-esque.
1175
00:48:43,639 --> 00:48:45,040
Like, oh, I see it as a movie.
1176
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,040
And we had some big news.
1177
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,360
We were launching Danny and I and someone asked,
1178
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:50,760
oh, you finally got the movie deal.
1179
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,679
Like people really think it's a movie.
1180
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:54,760
And that helps the energy of the whole thing
1181
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,120
is they really believe that it's movie-esque
1182
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:58,919
and Danny and I do too.
1183
00:48:58,919 --> 00:49:02,760
So, again, it's a matter of showing up
1184
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,679
and having no expectation.
1185
00:49:04,679 --> 00:49:08,159
It really is important to not to try to drive everything
1186
00:49:08,159 --> 00:49:10,479
from a human standpoint, to be a little more spiritual
1187
00:49:10,479 --> 00:49:13,760
and just allow that flow to happen.
1188
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,280
Because when you get in the way of that flow,
1189
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,320
you stop all the rewards and all the gifts.
1190
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:20,159
Definitely.
1191
00:49:20,159 --> 00:49:23,280
So you're surrendering for the invitation to come in.
1192
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:24,120
Yes.
1193
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,840
Yeah, and it's not easy to do, but yeah.
1194
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,360
And it feels good that way.
1195
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:29,639
Danny and I are a lot more free
1196
00:49:29,639 --> 00:49:31,840
and we're enjoying showing up and doing podcasts
1197
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,320
and other things with no expectation.
1198
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,719
We're just like, hey, we're just showing up
1199
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,239
and that's really it.
1200
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,360
And we both agreed on those terms.
1201
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,479
That was the contract that Danny and I had
1202
00:49:42,479 --> 00:49:45,000
between each other is, hey, Danny, let's just show up.
1203
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,159
Okay, that's all we're gonna do.
1204
00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:47,000
We're just gonna show up.
1205
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:47,840
Great.
1206
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:49,199
And it's been nice.
1207
00:49:49,199 --> 00:49:50,040
It really has.
1208
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,199
We just, it's over and we go do our thing or whatever,
1209
00:49:53,199 --> 00:49:55,399
but we don't like it on the phone and wonder,
1210
00:49:55,399 --> 00:49:56,760
is that gonna take us somewhere?
1211
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,719
It doesn't need to take us anywhere.
1212
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,040
It needs to have a ripple effect
1213
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,560
for the people that need to receive it and that's it.
1214
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:03,479
Yeah.
1215
00:50:03,479 --> 00:50:05,280
Well, thank you for showing up.
1216
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:06,120
Yeah.
1217
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:06,959
Of course.
1218
00:50:06,959 --> 00:50:07,879
Our pleasure, yeah.
1219
00:50:07,879 --> 00:50:10,679
So if more people can discover your book
1220
00:50:10,679 --> 00:50:13,399
to get you closer to these invitations,
1221
00:50:13,399 --> 00:50:14,679
where can we guide them?
1222
00:50:14,679 --> 00:50:17,840
Gregorycoppola.com is probably the quickest place.
1223
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,000
There's under author, Danny has a bio there too.
1224
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,719
So there's other books that I've written,
1225
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,840
but I Am Pink is kind of a highlight there.
1226
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:26,040
So they can click on it.
1227
00:50:26,159 --> 00:50:27,239
They can buy it on Amazon.
1228
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,399
It's a Barnes and Noble, kind of all over the place,
1229
00:50:29,399 --> 00:50:31,239
but that's one stop shop.
1230
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,959
So Gregory, and then it's just C-O-P-P as in Paul,
1231
00:50:34,959 --> 00:50:39,320
L-O-E.com, and they can go there and find it.
1232
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:40,159
Yeah.
1233
00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:41,120
Yeah, I'll put those into the show notes
1234
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,080
so people can click on them really easily.
1235
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:43,919
Oh, great.
1236
00:50:43,919 --> 00:50:45,080
Thank you.
1237
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,760
Is there anything in either one of your minds
1238
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,159
or your hearts that you feel like you would love to share
1239
00:50:50,159 --> 00:50:52,199
that we haven't gotten to yet?
1240
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:57,080
Um, I think I would just really like to share
1241
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:02,080
that I'm very interested in people having the courage
1242
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,479
to, you know, see invitations for what they are,
1243
00:51:05,479 --> 00:51:07,399
to say yes, to trust,
1244
00:51:07,399 --> 00:51:11,760
to have the courage to just keep evolving.
1245
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,520
I think we have the permission,
1246
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,520
we have the ability to give ourselves the permission
1247
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,600
to be whoever we want to be in any given moment.
1248
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,560
It doesn't have to be, you know,
1249
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,639
what is recognizable to peers or family of the past.
1250
00:51:25,639 --> 00:51:27,840
We all have that capability.
1251
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,280
And I think the obligation,
1252
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,199
if we want to be vital to reinvent,
1253
00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:34,639
to keep learning and to keep growing.
1254
00:51:34,639 --> 00:51:38,679
And I think that is a major message of I Am Pink.
1255
00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:41,639
You just don't know the ways in which
1256
00:51:41,639 --> 00:51:44,280
that door is going to open.
1257
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,879
And if you just have the courage to step through it
1258
00:51:48,879 --> 00:51:51,280
so, so much can happen.
1259
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,760
And I hope that's what people would get from the book.
1260
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:55,600
Yeah.
1261
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:56,439
Yeah.
1262
00:51:56,439 --> 00:51:57,280
Go ahead.
1263
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:58,120
Yeah.
1264
00:51:58,120 --> 00:51:58,959
Go ahead.
1265
00:51:58,959 --> 00:51:59,800
No, no, no.
1266
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:00,639
No, no, no.
1267
00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:03,679
I just wanted to share that just like hearing your story
1268
00:52:03,679 --> 00:52:06,239
and like the starts and the stops
1269
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,199
and the deaths and the transformations
1270
00:52:08,199 --> 00:52:10,600
and the new beginnings that I've heard from you
1271
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,360
that I can tell that like you are very courageous.
1272
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,919
And so I imagine that comes through very strongly
1273
00:52:16,919 --> 00:52:17,760
in your work.
1274
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,360
And so I think that's great.
1275
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,360
Well, I appreciate that.
1276
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,800
And I think 99% of anything is showing up,
1277
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,439
just showing up and to do it scared,
1278
00:52:29,439 --> 00:52:34,239
do it messy, do it anxious, do it depressed,
1279
00:52:35,879 --> 00:52:37,879
do it with your cat having just died,
1280
00:52:37,879 --> 00:52:39,959
which is where I am right now.
1281
00:52:39,959 --> 00:52:43,479
I mean, my 19 year old cat
1282
00:52:43,479 --> 00:52:45,719
literally expired during this podcast.
1283
00:52:45,879 --> 00:52:47,760
I'm telling you that right now.
1284
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:48,800
And I was prepared for it.
1285
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,560
And I had her right next to me.
1286
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,719
And it was a very kind of sudden thing.
1287
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:54,600
Although when a cat's 20 expected,
1288
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,959
but you just have to show up and understand
1289
00:52:56,959 --> 00:52:58,719
that the world doesn't expect perfection.
1290
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:02,959
And in fact, the world I think is very encouraged
1291
00:53:02,959 --> 00:53:07,959
by imperfection because perfect gets in the way of the good.
1292
00:53:08,399 --> 00:53:12,560
And so I would hope that people will keep just showing up.
1293
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,560
I feel like courage is just fear
1294
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,479
that said it's prayers, you know?
1295
00:53:17,479 --> 00:53:21,439
And so I've been through so much
1296
00:53:21,439 --> 00:53:23,199
and I just would hope that other people
1297
00:53:23,199 --> 00:53:27,439
can make space for themselves to just exist
1298
00:53:27,439 --> 00:53:32,439
in and with the mess and to find some sense of gratitude
1299
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:36,040
and joy within whatever circumstance we find ourselves.
1300
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:37,840
Cause life just pivots on a dime.
1301
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:39,239
I will tell you that.
1302
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,120
Yeah, well, I'll see you in that.
1303
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:41,959
So thank you.
1304
00:53:41,959 --> 00:53:43,000
Yeah, yeah.
1305
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:43,840
Yeah.
1306
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:44,679
And Greg.
1307
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,919
I just, I mean, it's the same thing about, you know
1308
00:53:47,919 --> 00:53:50,239
not taking the path and nothing happens in that life
1309
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,520
that you never get to see it.
1310
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,840
And I talk about someone who passes away and she goes
1311
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,520
so, you know, this place and this being comes out
1312
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,639
and says, you know, hi Barbara, you know
1313
00:53:59,639 --> 00:54:02,879
you really love to sew and you wanted to be a seamstress
1314
00:54:02,879 --> 00:54:04,320
but you became an accountant.
1315
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:05,719
Like what happened with that?
1316
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,679
And she says, well, you know, I didn't believe
1317
00:54:09,679 --> 00:54:11,919
that I could find sustenance within that.
1318
00:54:11,919 --> 00:54:13,679
So I didn't do it.
1319
00:54:13,679 --> 00:54:14,840
So I didn't believe.
1320
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:15,760
So she cuts it off.
1321
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:16,760
She doesn't follow that road.
1322
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,280
She doesn't go down that path.
1323
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,639
And then the being says to her, well, you know
1324
00:54:20,639 --> 00:54:22,760
had you trusted or had you gone down that path
1325
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,239
just to see what it would have been like
1326
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:25,719
this is what your life would have been like.
1327
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,719
And now you have a totally different life.
1328
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,280
She wins an Academy Award as a costume designer.
1329
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:31,199
These are real things.
1330
00:54:31,199 --> 00:54:34,199
They sound funny, but because, you know
1331
00:54:34,199 --> 00:54:35,439
she didn't go down that path.
1332
00:54:35,439 --> 00:54:37,320
She'll never get to experience that life.
1333
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:38,840
And it's a totally different life.
1334
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:40,159
She lives in Malibu.
1335
00:54:40,159 --> 00:54:42,399
She's in the Hollywood, you know, in the business.
1336
00:54:42,399 --> 00:54:46,479
It's just, you know, we got to try to go down
1337
00:54:46,479 --> 00:54:48,560
a different path that lives within our heart.
1338
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,719
That's speaking to us, that has some passion
1339
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,040
and, you know, sensibility there that we have to trust.
1340
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,520
If we don't do that, we end up living not a full life
1341
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,879
I believe, and not the life that we were meant to believe.
1342
00:54:59,879 --> 00:55:00,760
And what's going to happen?
1343
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,040
Like, I always say to people
1344
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,280
how far down are you going to go?
1345
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:05,479
How far down are you going to go?
1346
00:55:05,479 --> 00:55:06,439
Are you going to lose your house?
1347
00:55:06,439 --> 00:55:08,719
You're going to not have a place to stay or, you know
1348
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:13,719
we, most of us, luckily, most of us don't go that far down.
1349
00:55:13,879 --> 00:55:16,000
We still have the basics, the food and the house
1350
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,080
or we move in with our daughter or son
1351
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,120
or whatever the case may be.
1352
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,879
But for some reason in our minds, that thing
1353
00:55:22,879 --> 00:55:26,959
that failure or whatever is just too devastating to confront.
1354
00:55:26,959 --> 00:55:30,600
And we'd rather just flatline and just be comfortable
1355
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,840
and then find out later on when we pass away
1356
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,560
what our life was supposed to be.
1357
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,239
I don't want to be that.
1358
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:38,639
You know, I'm really trying to get in touch with
1359
00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:40,879
even if it's difficult, really trying to get in touch
1360
00:55:40,879 --> 00:55:42,479
with what's that, you know, what is that going to be?
1361
00:55:42,479 --> 00:55:44,520
What does that mean to me?
1362
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,280
You know, even if it's not something that I have designed
1363
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,120
you know, I just, I think we have to listen to the messages.
1364
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,719
And if we're not, then we're not being of service
1365
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:56,040
universally.
1366
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,679
Yeah, definitely to ourselves or the collective, right?
1367
00:55:58,679 --> 00:56:00,120
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1368
00:56:00,679 --> 00:56:01,520
I mean, that's really it.
1369
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,600
I don't know why I got that message so late in life.
1370
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,439
I don't know if that's just wisdom or, you know
1371
00:56:07,439 --> 00:56:10,840
if someone gets it earlier than I did, but you know
1372
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:12,840
if you haven't reached that point
1373
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,439
all you have to do is sit down, figure out what that thing
1374
00:56:15,439 --> 00:56:18,520
is and then just start nurturing it and go down that road
1375
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,399
without so much fear around it.
1376
00:56:20,399 --> 00:56:22,000
You don't have to make it into a full-time job.
1377
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:23,959
You can do it part-time, you can do it on the side
1378
00:56:23,959 --> 00:56:26,320
you can do it, let it evolve, just kind of show up
1379
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,199
a little bit, take a little bit of action
1380
00:56:29,199 --> 00:56:31,560
and see what happens with that.
1381
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:34,679
You'll know, you'll know what you need to do with it.
1382
00:56:34,679 --> 00:56:36,879
Yeah, that may be a little curiosity.
1383
00:56:37,879 --> 00:56:38,919
A little bit, yeah.
1384
00:56:38,919 --> 00:56:40,800
I think curiosity is great and you touched on that.
1385
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,919
I think it's, you know, it's a beautiful thing.
1386
00:56:42,919 --> 00:56:46,280
Curiosity in religion, curiosity in all things.
1387
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,120
Yeah, thank you so much.
1388
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:49,959
So I usually wrap up the conversation
1389
00:56:49,959 --> 00:56:53,120
with one last question and it can be simple
1390
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:57,120
or it can be a little bit longer, it doesn't matter.
1391
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,000
But if your inner voice had a billboard
1392
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:01,040
what would it say to the world?
1393
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:07,800
Mine would say trust, would say trust.
1394
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,040
That's it, one word.
1395
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,399
Nice, my billboard, show up.
1396
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,760
That's it, show up, walk through the doors
1397
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,679
for God's sakes, don't worry about it.
1398
00:57:19,679 --> 00:57:21,600
There's an exit door, show up.
1399
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,719
Yeah, well, thank you both so much for trusting me
1400
00:57:24,719 --> 00:57:26,159
and showing up today.
1401
00:57:26,159 --> 00:57:27,159
Thank you. It's been a pleasure.
1402
00:57:27,159 --> 00:57:28,520
Yeah.
1403
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:29,800
So thank you.
1404
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:30,639
Thank you.
1405
00:57:30,639 --> 00:57:31,479
Thanks Whitney.
1406
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,399
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1407
00:57:34,399 --> 00:57:36,000
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1408
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,280
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1409
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1410
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1412
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,120
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1413
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:55,000
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1414
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,120
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1415
00:57:59,120 --> 00:57:59,959
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1416
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