Our Interview With Anthony Arillotta Part 2 of 5: Inside The Genovese and Patriarca Crime Families

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For then, Connecticut, because the patriarch has got arrested in like the 19,
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late 80s, you know, so they took like, you know, 20 of them off the streets
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in the Connecticut area.
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Anthony, not to put you off there, but Genovese patriarch, patriarch is not
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part of the five families.
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Genovese being one of the strongest by far as far as efficiency,
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making money, all that, strong-armed, everything.
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It seems like the Genovese. So where does the patriarchal family lie as far
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as you have a relationship with them? I know you're in Rhode Island. Yeah.
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Excellent relationship with the patriarchals. And we had mutual respect.
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You know, don't forget, Boston's a lot bigger city than Springfield.
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And so they're going to have a lot more. We had a lot of maid guys,
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but more associates around us.
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We had tons of associates, dozens and hundreds of associates,
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and especially when you're going into the Connecticut up and through into New
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York, and that was all controlled by the Genovese, and there was patriarchs
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there, so we worked hand in hand.
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And there was a couple of incidences where, you know, there was beefs that broke
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out and, you know, there had to be settles in New York with the bosses and everything
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like that. But for the most part, everyone got along.
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Boston, Providence was the power base out of in Providence, Rhode Island.
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And Louis was the boss. Raymond, Patriarcha, senior, then Raymond,
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junior. And then it went to Louis, Anacchio.
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And then years later, it got transferred to Boston. So everyone got along.
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But, you know, I used to go down and meet with the bosses in Providence,
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Louis, and his guys that he had around him, the soldiers and his captains.
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And same thing in Boston with Carmen D'Anoncio and all the wise guys and captains there.
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And so we got along great. And you couldn't feel Italian back in the 70s,
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80s, 90s growing up without, you know, the mafia.
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If you're a wise guy and, you know, a violent kid, that's what the mafia is
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looking for. And then especially if you can make money, the mafia is looking for that.
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The trick is like, and I got away with this, but the trick is to, you know, be violent.
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Get the respect and make the money, but have to be involved with them as little as possible.
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Most of my rackets, I didn't give them any money when I was growing up.
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When I was doing my marijuana, they didn't get a pen.
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When I was hijacking trucks, they didn't get a pen. A lot of my loan chart, they didn't get a pen.
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You didn't even tell Bruno that you were selling weed, right?
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Oh, yeah. Because he didn't want to. He would kill you.
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When I got on record in 1991, when I got out of prison in 1991,
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that's when I got out that year, Bruno came to me and put me on record with the Genovese family.
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That's when he came to my house. And then he put me on record with them.
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Meaning record means you want to be with us. The Genovese men.
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And he had to go to his boss, Skyball Chevelli. Violent little killer.
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Violent. And he goes to him. And he says, hey, I want to put you on record.
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He goes to Skyball. Skyball gives him permission. Now I'm on record with,
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I can represent the Genovese crime family.
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I'm not going to broadcast it. but yeah, I'm with so-and-so.
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So I'm around them, but at the same time, I'm heavily involved in the marijuana business and cocaine.
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I was selling kilos of Coke, but I don't even consider that,
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you know, I would sell a few kilos a month, but I don't even consider me a big
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cocaine gift, you know, cause that was just, I only had a few guys.
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I'd give them, you know, a kilo to him, a kilo to him, you know,
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and get rid of a few of them a month.
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Same thing I do with the marijuana. If you wanted, you know, half a key, here's a key.
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And I would do that. And so they didn't get any of my, you know,
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we, we had major scores in the drug business.
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You know, one score, I made 470,000 in one day. They didn't get any of that. No, nothing.
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So yeah, I had another score. I made 300,000.
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I'm in the wrong, I'm in the wrong business. I had multiple scores like that,
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like two, $300,000 scores, at least a
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dozen of them at that level and the mafia
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never got a penny of that all of our high you never needed the mafia
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no i didn't meet him that's what i'm saying business i used to make money like
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you just know how to do it though so bruno came to me and put me on record with
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that all right but i love being like i said growing up and fighting and i'm
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gonna have my we had our gang and we were to talk this gang and we know we don't
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give up you know about nobody and this had him it was well it's the same thing
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i you know an italian growing up.
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The ultimate goal is to be a made member in the mafia. So if you're Italian
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and you're growing up, that's the ultimate goal.
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I never cared about it. Like I cared, but I didn't thirst for it.
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And that's probably why I ended up happening.
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You know, they sought me out. They, they're the ones that kept coming up to
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me. They're the ones that even when it got later on, the New York bosses.
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Oh, it already calmed you down. There you go. Right. So it wasn't just the Western
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Mass, Springfield faction, Connecticut faction that wanted me to get a made guy.
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The actual bosses in New York and not
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just already like the bosses he had to get permission from
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the top bosses and
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you know and so he got that and I got made you know we're jumping away ahead
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but I got made in 03 so you can't get away without being somehow it's just how
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you navigate now I'm not supposed to sell drugs but I do they come to me we
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heard you're selling drugs I deny it who said that where's their proof,
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and could I have gotten killed? Absolutely.
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I got caught with the 40 pounds in 1996. Could I have gotten killed?
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Bruno was going to kill me. He threatened to kill me.
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Told my father he was going to leave me for dead on the front steps.
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We're going to say that. Yeah. That's your father?
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Yep. Old Louie, my friend Louie, Lou DeShue, you tell this, because Bruno could
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have got killed for that too, don't forget.
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Now he put me on record. He's responsible for me.
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Now he's responsible for me. Here I am, get caught with 40 pounds of marijuana.
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Well, they're looking at him going, well yeah don't what the hell is
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this kid he's playing you for a punk either you're involved with him
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you don't fucking know he's doing me and i have no respect for
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you right you gotta and they'll they will
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get the order to clip me you know and uh and bruno was even worried he goes
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before this kid gets reclipped i'll clip him and i'll clip killed you know and
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so yeah so there was no avoiding that and if you were a guy that was involved with the uh.
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That would be the extortions that we were talking about earlier.
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So if there was street rackets and all of a sudden this guy over here is doing
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sports gambling, yeah, he's going to get approached by the mafia.
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He's going to report. He's going to give up something.
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So that's what going back to the extortion protections and all that. Yeah.
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If the guy's a lung shark, if the guy's doing the Joker poker machines,
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the casino games, yeah, you're going to get approached by the mafia.
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Drug dealers know in our area know in bigger city like
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new york and stuff they shut down the drug dealers with us you
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know i was a drug dealer so it wasn't like you know but it was like i want to
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i want to make money with them you know what i'm saying it's like so i'm not
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going to shake down a drug dealer i'm going to go say look you sell marijuana
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i want to i'm what do you say how much you will buy it from me that's my way
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of working with them you know what i'm saying So,
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Al Bruno and your mother were cousins? Yeah, they were.
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So, on my mother's side, Bruno and my cousin, they had the same aunt.
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Okay. You know, a CNO. My mother's a CNO. Bruno's aunt was a CNO.
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And so, he always referred to me as my cousin. You know, when we went to New
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York, this was my cousin.
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And he always referred to me as that. I got it. Okay. Now, I have a silly question. Oh, Jesus.
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I do. No, no, no. Don't trust me. I live in a very sheltered life.
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Did anybody ever say no when they were approached?
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To what? To get made? Yeah. Did anybody ever say no?
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Yeah. So, well, all right.
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So, well, there was a guy in my area that was on record to get made, Joey Bazile.
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And so him and Reno Cerabolo were going to get made before me.
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So when Babishabelli was the boss in like 97, 98, they and Skyball before him.
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And then Anthony DeLevo was going to get the reins from Babba,
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but they all got arrested in 2000.
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So they were going to make a few guys that were loyal to Babba.
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Babel, because Babish Rebelli's son-in-law was Johnny Bazil,
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another weasel. We can talk about the Bazil brothers. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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So both cooperated. You know, walk around, and they snuck their nose,
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and they want to say this and that. Both of them cooperated.
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You know, and Johnny Bazil is right in the paper, and Joey Bazil testified at
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the grand jury and did everything that I did with the extortions,
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but miraculously, he didn't get charged with them.
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So Joey Bazil is on record.
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With to get made and so when i
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had to go do that hit in new york city yeah for the
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bosses for the bosses because that was
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that one the night where nine times we
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went to new york nine times right so this is
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a bosses of the new york family not just artie artie has
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to get permission and from the top no doesn't know about this
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bruno don't know bruno don't know and it's
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the idea that you're going to go do this hit with with
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with freddie type right you know so joey and
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reno were supposed to come with me the bosses don't forget they're on
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record yeah they're on record to get made so when he's asked
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the question as anybody said no joey guazil
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said no he goes take me off the list and
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he ran away he was like a big shot back when he
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first came out i helped him make money i helped him put
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some money on the street uh he started coming around and
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got put on the list and then when this stuff started getting heavy because see
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new york started coming up more stuff started getting heavy and all of a sudden
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you know you know what you're getting he knew he's older than me he knew he
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was getting involved with that one day we might have to kill someone right and
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sure enough when that was getting serious and that order came.
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Why does it go and take me off the list and run away now he was definitely going
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to get killed he was going to get killed it's just that everyone had a rest
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yeah because once you're on record that we sign up for that.
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That's the, uh, the rule that mean, you know, that's the, we know that to being made.
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No, but, but prior to getting made, you had to kill someone.
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That was like a thing that you had to participate in. So it's like,
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You know, you're saying no to the order that you got. You just got an order.
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You're just like, the boss just gave you an order.
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If you're working at a company and the boss goes, you say no,
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you're fired, right? Well, in this case, you're dead.
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But the only thing is everybody got arrested. And that's why he's lucky that
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he ended up surviving that because I was fooled right out of the boss's mouth.
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Wait for now, but we're going to clip that.
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Yeah. And his brother, they're two weasels. I could go on and on and stories
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about him, but real quick. Yeah.
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I had a strip club I was getting involved with. They wanted to sell it.
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Up in Springfield? In Chickabee. Okay.
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His brother, Johnny, comes to me and he says, can you help me sell it?
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I brought these guys up from New York.
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You might as well say billionaires. Okay. Kevin Sisney, Sammy the Albanian, and Scarpa.
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Wow. I brought them up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So between the three of them,
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they were worth over a billion dollars, right?
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And I was going to make a million-dollar commission. Johnny Brazil wanted a
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$1.9 million. I say 2.9 to them.
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And I told them, I'm going to make a million-dollar commission on it.
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I'm going to give Johnny and Joey half of that, half of the million-dollar commission.
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Not only that, they're going to put a strip club in this spot, right?
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And it's going to be doing like $300,000 a week. I'm going to get 25% of it.
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I give the two brothers 12.5% of mine.
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I don't have to give them nothing, and I could have just did the deal.
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And I introduced them to the billionaires, all the guys, because we had to meet
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at Peter Picknelly's building, huge connections.
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So now I end up getting arrested in 05. I get taken off the streets.
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The deal, we were using a corrupt mayor in Chicopee that was going to get us
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a licensing because we're organized crime. The deal falls through, right?
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So it falls apart. Now I'm in prison. I do three and a half years.
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I come out. I come out in a 2008. I come out. Now they all got married.
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When I say married, the guys that I introduced them to, the two Esel Brazils
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and Sammy, Kevin, and all them now, they're all like, so they're selling all
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of Carabeta's real estate.
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So Carabeta's getting old. He's selling it with that guy, Butch Daquilla.
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He's selling it for $3 million because Butch is the guy that runs all of his property.
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They're getting the properties for $3 million. Like I said, New York prices,
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you could charge them $9 million. You know, so they're going in,
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buying it up for 3.8 and selling it to my connection for 7.9.
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One deal, they made 4.2 million alone.
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That's just one deal. I come out of prison and I said, now don't forget,
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I was going to give them half of the things, right?
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I come out of prison and I said, you got anything for me?
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Nothing. Nothing. They gave me nothing. The two weasel bazils,
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the nothing they gave me.
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And Joe and Johnny Bazil, it's, you look at his newspaper articles.
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He's the accountant. They considered him the mob accountant, right? Yeah.
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He was the one funneling all the tens and tens and tens of millions of dollars
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that the Chabellis were making and everything through the S&M vending and everything.
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He was the accountant funneling all the money. You know what they did?
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He put the guy, the partner in the strip club, this poor guy,
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right? They made him take the rap. He testified.
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He ended up getting the lawyer out of Boston, the same lawyer that I ended up
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with. Yeah. And he cooperated on the whole case.
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He was supposed to go to jail. I came home and oh, wait. Oh,
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Johnny's going to jail. His brother tells me. Oh, yeah. He's going to get three years.
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Mob accountant, blah, blah, blah. Then what happened? Oh, he's going in 09.
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Oh, then what happened? He's going in 2010.
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Next thing you know, he ends up with a lawyer from Boston, does his talking,
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and doesn't come up with nothing.
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Doesn't go to prison at all. And these are the same guys that walk around Springfield
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with their noses like, oh, this guy did that.
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Point in their fingers. Yeah, you did the same thing. And so that's,
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you know, like a real quick. And I could tell you more stories about them.
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How weasel they are oh shit wow all
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right let's talk let's let's talk about the big night let's talk about when we've
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jumped a little bit maybe i'm going too far but is it
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okay if we talk about already the night to go down to do the kill to
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do that yeah yeah that was during the day i got called down
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there and uh this is when can we talk about freddie and ty
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for a second i just want to correlate them in yeah oh so
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real quick when joey and reno ran away that's when
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i had to go to freddie and ty and going to them to ask them
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to shoot somebody with me it's like right right you guys want to go have
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a drink yeah you know we were just all the same type of
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guys me freddie and ty you know me and ty were in prison at a young age he was
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with me when i went to that state prison so we're both he's only like 18 i'm
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21 we're in a serious serious men's prison you know yeah and so uh you know
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so that's how me and ty bonded and everything and freddie was a prison guard
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Nobody realizes Freddie was a prison guard.
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I'm right in the book. Right. I did not get to that part. But you...
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From what I gather, you say that Ty was, he almost scared you, right?
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Because in a way he was so, you never knew, he's paranoid.
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So he did like via loose cannon. Writing was different, right?
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He was almost a family man too.
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To this day, you say that he still talks to his family from prison.
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Oh, they both do. They both got families.
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Yeah. But Ty was like dangerous because anybody like in prison,
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there was another kid I was in there when he was like five foot three,
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killed seven guys in prison.
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Yeah. And, you know, when somebody suffers from that mental.
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Schizophrenic, paranoid, schizophrenic, you know, you got to be careful of them
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because they think, you know, especially me, he knows I'm a dangerous guy. He knows I'm a killer.
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So they think that you're plotting against them. They're like,
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you know, like if you remember like that guy, Nicky Scarfo, he was,
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he's a psychopathic killer out of Philly.
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He saw one of his underbosses walk behind or one of his captains walk behind
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his underboss right away.
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You know, he's paranoid thinking they're making a move on. Yeah.
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And so like, that's what those guys, that's why they're so dangerous.
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So you got, but in reality, you know, Ty was not scared of me,
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but he was paranoid of me as well because he knew I could,
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I have the potential to kill and the brains to carry things out.
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And, and, and in that life, that's what, you know, you, everyone,
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you know, would be foolish enough to be a little paranoid because we all killed each other.
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You know, it's like, that's what ends up happening. you yourself
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said it i think in the book numerous times since what you signed up
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for you kind of knew if i'm going to take somebody's life and i got to be
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worried about mine right and there's no friends like when you see you got friends
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and i like there is no friends because your friends are the ones that come kill
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you your friends are the ones are going to steal your money when you're in prison
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your friends are the one to be the ones that that's another thing that weasel
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joey bazil did i he avoided me when i was home yeah then when i get a death
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penalty case in 2010 who shows up first at my house.
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Because I had a hot wife. He was looking at, you know, grab my wife.
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Yeah. He was like, the dude. So I say to her, I go, so did he give you? So he, oh, Joey came by.
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So Joey came by. Oh, really? I haven't seen him since I've been home. I got home in 08.
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I told you what he did with him and his scumbag brother with the money.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. With them connections, right?
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So I said, he didn't give me a penny out of it.
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And so I made him millions. He didn't give me a penny. I go,
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and then he comes by. I go, so what did he want? Did he leave you any money? No.
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I go to say, oh, if you need anything. Oh, you should have said my husband's
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facing a death penalty case. I need $100,000 for, you know, help.
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But he didn't leave nothing. And that's what I'm saying.
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Weasel. What are you doing showing up at my house? You didn't come around my house when I was home.
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Where were you when I, yeah. Fucking weasel. Oh, shit.
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You ain't made for this life. Okay, you're not made for this life.
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Listen, listen, listen.
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He was talking about assault and battery. And I'm, you know,
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I'm learning a thing or two with the water thing.
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So I was trying to get here for today. Oh, boy. Yeah.
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So Artie from New York calls you. You go do this here. Right.
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So he calls me to come down and he tells me he wants to kill this,
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me to kill this guy. Brings me to the spot where the guy lives.
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That's his car. That's his apartment. He walks out. He comes out every day at
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six. Yeah. This guy was affiliated with a Lucchese family.
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So there was some sort of beef Amongst Lucchese's and the Genovese Plus he disrespected
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Artie About some tickets to some event And he gave it to Lucchese's guys I don't know but.
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The more in-depth part is that there was something to do with the two families over this guy.
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And so I already wanted him dead. And I already had to get permission.
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He's not just going to order that.
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Yeah, you know, and there's some serious guys that are still alive in that Genevieve's
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family. I mean, notorious, notorious.
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Yeah. Well, what they do is they step back. You know, you got Barney Gronos.
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You got Mario Caganti died. I think Larry has died.
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I don't know if he's still alive. But the guy, the real powerful Ernie Muscarella, you got Danny Leo.
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I don't know if he's still alive. So you've got some major, major people that
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he had to go and get approval for us to go around and kill him.
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And that's what he did. He wanted me to use Joey and Reno. I told you already, Joey ran away.
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I felt bad for Reno because there was a lot of confusion at the time.
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Felix, Reno was with Felix.
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And it was like, you know, this guy's telling me something. You're telling me
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something. Bruno's telling me something. John, the worst is the guy John Bologna.
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We'll talk about him. Oh, I can't wait to talk about him. He's the one that,
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you know, like, you know.
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Reno was hesitant. Right. He said, if you want me in, I'll be there.
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And that's what I told Artie back in New York.
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I said, Reno is still, Joey ran away scared, but Reno said he'd still be around if you need him.
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And I don't blame him for being, you know, what you call it,
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you know, like not knowing what's going on. But listen, it's a lot. You got to go to New York.
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Listen, we're talking about like we're having a drink or something.
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You got to get in the car, drive two hours in New York with guns.
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Hopefully you don't get caught and pulled over that at 2.30 in the morning,
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3 in the morning, because you've got to get there to kill them with silencers.
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With our records, we're getting 20 years just for now.
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So now we've got to pull up to New York, get there 4.6. We've got to get there
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for like 5.30 and look at the location and where are we going to sit and get
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it all planned. That's why it took us three times.
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So it's not like we're talking about doing some simple thing.
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We went down and we ended up shooting the guy nine times.
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You know, got out of there clean and got, you know, got away with that hit. Yeah.
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How do you disassociate when we kill somebody you
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know it's like i know i understand you have a job
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to do but how do you disassociate it's not like you're
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killing like the way i look at it when when a
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guy i think somebody in the service when you
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go to war and you're fighting in the service you've got
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to orders to kill the other kill
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the enemy yeah but i think that's more gonna hurt
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somebody more because you're you're killing another
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guy that's fighting for the same reason you're fighting for he's
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fighting for his country you're fighting you guys didn't do anything to each other
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you didn't nothing personal he's playing for your country you're fighting for
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his country both probably great individuals but yet you took his life you know
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and so that to me is more harder to live with if you ran over someone by accident
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it was your fault things like that,
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you know, that would be hard to live with.
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You say you didn't know him. You didn't know this guy.
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Well, no, and even if I did know him in our lives, in our life,
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we justified as, listen, I killed a guy.
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He killed five guys. Right?
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He got to get killed. Alright, it was his time.
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Tomorrow, I killed a few guys. It might be my time. I get killed. Right?
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Now, it's like ozone. And that's what
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we sign that that's what we you know go by so
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it would be hard like i said there is no fronts if
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you think if the guy tells you he had a friend in
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that life then he's a he he doesn't know
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he's a sucker because he was the one that was probably going to be the one that
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get clipped if he thought some because that's the ones that set you up the ones
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that think oh i got my friend my friend who do you think is going to be calling
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you to the meeting who do you think is going to be shooting in the back of the
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head right you're going to be saying hey who are you going to trust your friend
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So if your friend tells you, hey, let's go to dinner tonight.
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I got a score we can make. And this is not your friend, right?
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So your friend is going to be the one to set you up. So if you think you've
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got a friend in that life, you're pretty much going to be the one getting clicked.
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Next time I'm going to do it, I'm second guessing. And don't sit on the phone.
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Bitch, I'm going to click you, okay? Don't sit in the phone seat.
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Yeah, thank you. Okay, so you go down there and shoot the guy from the passenger
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side nine times. Driver's side.
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Driver's side. He doesn't die. But it's just the idea that Artie acknowledges
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the fact that you were going to do it. Mm-hmm. You know?
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All right. Silence or suck, whatever. It was a major hit on a major city in
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New York, New York City. Yeah.
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And, you know, it took a lot of balls to go down there and do that.
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And the guy was shot nine times from here. Well, I mean, it was America.
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He still got the bullets in him.
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And you said, thank God he's not done. Yeah. I know. Thank God. Yeah.
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All right, so you go back to Springfield. You did this hit. Bruno doesn't know about it. Well, nobody.
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Just John Bologna, that informant, and Artie. And the New York bosses that, you know.
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Is there anything that you're like, well, I can't tell anybody I did this fucking hit.
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But this is how you become made. This is how you get your button is by killing somebody.
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So is this one of the things where you're like, well, Artie knows we tried,
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so hopefully we get made based off that.
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You can't tell anybody. I wasn't looking to get made, though.
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You've got to understand that. We just did it to do it.
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It would have been like if they said, hey, come down and do it.
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We would have did it. I wasn't looking to get my button just because of that.
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I could care less about that.
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And as far as him saying, is he going to be mad? Mad at what?
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At first, we were told the guy was just going to get a beat,
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and that's what the informant John Bologna said.
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And then it turned into murder of the guy. and you
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know you've got the biggest crime family that there is and you
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mean to tell me you ain't got guys in new york that you're gonna make us come
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from springfield so to do that and to come down
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there and don't forget new york was hanging around with me and they see what
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i had in connecticut western mass you know when we went out everywhere they
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seen their respect the crew that i had the vine we would go out and you know
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something would break out and you know we would hurt guys really bad, if not near death.
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And so the New York guys were around us, and this guy John would bring up other
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New York guys, and we had the club, you know, Club Blue in Hartford,
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and a lot of times we were, you know.
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That wraps up this episode of our mini-series with Anthony Arlotta.
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