Rob McConnell Interviews - DAVE HOGAN - What Are UFOs?

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Rob McConnell.
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Welcome back everyone. This is the Xzone.
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xxonradio dot com. My guest this hour is going to
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be talking about UFOs, you know, those strange things that
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people see in the night skies. Dan Hogan is my guest,
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and we're going to be talking to Dan about his
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new book entitled UFO FAQ. Since the famed Kenneth Arnold
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flying saucer siting in nineteen forty seven, the world has
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been fascinated by and then nerved by these mysterious objects
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in the sky. MILLENNIU have recorded human history report UFOs,
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and everything from the extinction of the dinosaurs to the
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origins of humankind have been attributed to them. But what
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exactly are UFOs? Joining me now is David Hogan And
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David welcome to the X Zone.
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It's a pleasure to be here, Rob, thank you very
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much for the invite.
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Yeah, great having you with us. David, where did your
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intro UFOs come from?
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Oh?
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As a young kid, I think I lived for science
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fiction movies, and I grew up reading Famous Monsters of
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Film Land and Spaceman magazine, and I read Heinelen in
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Bradbury and the Damski and it's just something that's always
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percolated in my mind. I am not a ufologist. I
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am an interested outsider.
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So you're not a authologist, you're an interested insider or outsider.
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I'm sorry, I didn't I didn't quite hear that.
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Oh outsider. Yeah, it's from my professional background. I spent
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nearly thirty years in Chicago book publishing, and I sold
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my own first book in nineteen eighty and then just
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a professional writer, and I am curious about UFOs, and
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I just wanted to have a useful, single source handbook
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or guide, and so I wrote it.
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Okay, So what makes your book UFO FAQ different from
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the tons of other books that are out there on UFOs?
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Off the top, I ought to say, it is not
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in the FAQ format. The FAQ portion of the title
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is a publisher's trademark or identifier. Haunted America fa Q
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is also out there right now. It is a straight
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narrative history, and it does encompass the entire UFO story
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uh uh. And it looks at at at these odd
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objects in the Bible, and it talks about uh the
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science of interstellar travel, hoaxes, eyewitnessed accounts, abductions, uh uh.
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Oh Chi conspiracy theory. It is quite wide ranging and
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it also includes a an interesting running timeline of of
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of unusual UFO uh oh incidents and I witness accounts.
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And he also talks about UFOs i'm a popular culture
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and then the big topics such as Kenneth Arnold and
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the crash a uhh, the Crash of Roswell, and Project
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Blue Book.
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a couple of minutes. Ex Own Nation. David Hogan is
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Welcome back everyone. David Hogan is our guest explanation. He
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is the author of UFO Faq. His website is on
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Stage and Backstage dot WordPress dot com. David, let me
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ask you the investigations or.
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The stories that you wrote about.
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Did you investigate them personally or were these based on
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other people's accounts.
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It's most the other people's accounts. A er an All
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publishing colleague is a director of communications at Mouffon at
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the mutual UFO Network, and I did speak with him
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on several occasions, and that kind of picked his brain
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about specific accounts and about the nature of those accounts,
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and then that he's an insider. I think I got
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an interesting point of view. I am a professional writer
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and not an investigator.
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All right, Well, let me ask you the question again.
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That seems to be very pivotal at this point. Since
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you're not a UFO investigator, you're a UFO outsider, and
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yet you've written a book about UFOs. What makes your
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book so different than the others?
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Then well, fingle volume Guide. And if you're interested in
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any aspect of the UFO phenomena, it is in this book.
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It talks about fine art, it talks about science, it
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talks about the military, it talks about big government, it
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talks about friendly aliens, it talks about mean spirited aliens.
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If you're interested in the story of UFOs and the
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Second World War, it's in here. If you're curious about
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the Great airship Panic of eighteen ninety seven, it's in
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the book. But I'm curious about the leaders of the
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UFO community and about the leading organizations, they are all
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explicated in the book.
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Okay, but why would anybody buy this book? And if
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it's not based on your research, but everybody else is,
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why not just go on the Internet and google?
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Because the Internet is a wreck.
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That's why books out there.
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And and if you're interested in fact and in the
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amusings of professionals, uh, avoid the internet. It's uh. It's
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a forum, and I get its value as a forum
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and as a community voice, and I also appreciate the
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value of it not being h chie policed or authorized.
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It's all about free reign and that's really good. On
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the other hand, it's also all about the wild West
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and rules, and there are a lot of amateurs out there, and.
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There are there are two publishing industry. Now hold on here,
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you're you know you're giving you know. What you've just
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described is also today's publishing industry, because it doesn't take
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anybody with a publishing brain to go and publish their
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own book. So I think the publishing industry is in
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the exact same spot where the internet is.
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And there are many credible.
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Authors out there who have the information on the internet.
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So I once again, if oh no, I agree, Okay,
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So how big is your book?
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How many pages is it?
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It's a little over four hundred pages. And if I
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could just make a quick point here, there are two
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publishing industries, and the one that I come out of
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is the professional publishing industry, and that means that authors
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are paid by publishers, and the authors are professional writers
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and they make their living that way. The other publishing
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industry is is all about self publishing. That is the
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realm of the amateur enthusiast. Now, there is a lot
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of excellent work out there, but it's still amateur. But
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it's important to note that.
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All right, I understand it's still amateur. But I think
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that what has happened recently is that the big publishing
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houses do not have the ability to pull the strings
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of authors anymore. That authors don't need publishing houses. That
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they can sell very very very well on the internet.
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Well, it's the difference between sales figures and content, though,
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rob If an amateur author is a shrewd and aggressive
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self promoter, that person can sell books. But that doesn't
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mean that the book is any damn good.
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Well, it doesn't mean the book is any damn good
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to quote you if that comes from publishing house.
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Either, not necessarily.
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So, you know, I think what the internet has done,
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it's it's you know, it's opened up the ability for
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authors who who have the ability to write, who write
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great pieces of work, to get it out into the
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hands of the public without having to go through the
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hoops that publishing houses put authors through.
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I think this is the case in many instances. But
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a lot of these people are not writers, and they
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are not good thinkers.
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But but you, yourself, sir, wrote a book about UFOs
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and you're a UFO outsider. You wrote a book based
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on other people's investigations and experiences. So what's the difference
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between you doing that and somebody else doing that?
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Because I have a professional pedigree, and if I could
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just quickly mention of all of my books, I am
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most proud of a seven pound book called The Holocaust Chronicle,
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and I was the editor in chief of that book.
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It's a multi author book, I'm including myself. It's sold
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over three hundred thousand copies. It's been translated into four languages.
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It's a standard book a universities and schools around the world.
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I have very high and professional standards.
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But sir, we're not talking about your Holocaust book. We're
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talking about your UFO FAQ book.
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Oh you know, I get that.
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Yeah, So I'd like to I'd like to keep it
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within this realm. So I don't want to get into
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the other books that you've written, because the interview is
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about the UFO Faq and I find it very strange that.
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Let me ask you this, have you ever had a
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UFO experience?
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No, I have not. I I thought I did one
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and I stopped the car and I got out of
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the car, and it scared the heck out of my wife,
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and she begged me to come back into the car
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on the country road tonight. And it was not a UFO,
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And but I was so ready and so eager, and
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I would love to see one.
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Sure, how long did it take you to write your books?
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Are the UFO FAQ?
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About eighteen months? And accept accept in the Holocaust Book,
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which was a four year project. I've done most of
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my books in about oh she nine or ten months,
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and I was getting into the UFO. It dawned that
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this really might be a fool's errand it is a
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huge and also a complex subject. And I spent a
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full year until I wrote a single word. I educated myself,
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and it's probably the most difficult book I've done. And
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then that was really challenged by it, and challenged by
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the need to absorb and somehow codify and present all
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of this information.
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Let me ask you about one of the cases in
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your book, the Roswell, New Mexico case of nineteen forty seven.
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Tell me about it, Khy.
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It's a crash of an airborne object. I'm a Roswell
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New Mexico outside I'm an American Air Force base, and uh,
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it's probably the seminole case. I'm in UFO history. Uh.
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It is very fascinating and it has it certainly provoked
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a lot of opinions and theories. The skeptics say that
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it was the weather balloon and nothing more. My own
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feeling is that that that the Air Force felt compelled
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to cover it up and and and to obfuscate it.
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And so maybe it was the weather balloon, but maybe
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it was something else. And then now was that something else,
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you know, a secret American aircraft? Was it a captured
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Soviet aircraft? Was it something extraterrestrial? I don't know, and
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I do present it in other cases in the book
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that way. I tried to be objective and to suggest
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all of the points of view and the great range
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of opinions about these things. And you know, after after
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almost seventy years, I think Rosswell is still a bit
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of a mystery. My own feeling is that it's probably
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explainable in terrestrial term, but I don't know what those
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terms might be. And that's largely because the Air Force stonewalled,
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you know.
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When it comes to the UFO field your name is
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not very well known, if at all. And when you
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look at books concerning UFOs, oh, one of the major
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authors out there is Kevin Randall. You know, he's done,
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he's he's a lieutenant colonel, he's do you know? And
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you know, yeah, Kevin's got what twenty eight books, twenty
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nine books. So I'm trying to understand why somebody would
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buy your book that is based on other people's opinions
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and other people's work, compared to a book written by
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Kevin Randall, who actually does the investigation in the writing.
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It's not based on other people's opinions. It's based on
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the experiences of other people.
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Well, isn't that there is wouldn't that classify that as
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an opinion?
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No, experience isn't necessarily opinion. And as I said, I
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think that this book is objective, and uh, it's an advantage.
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I think, uh if an author is an outsider, I
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don't have an agenda, I don't have a be in
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my bonnet. I'm not full of certitude.
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Is I've got to take a commercial break.
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of U F O f a Q and David.
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Before we went to the break, you were you were
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trying to explain to me how your book is different,
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and during the break I said, I'm having a hard
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time trying to trying to get a hold on why
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your book is different because you know you're an outsider.
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You haven't had these experiences yourself. You haven't you haven't
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done any investigation. Your book is based on the experiences
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of others and the fact that you are a professional writer,
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a published author through a publisher publishing house. I can
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understand that, and I appreciate that, But the times are changing.
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And when we look at some of the great books
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that are being put out like Kevin Randall, like Kevin
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Randall and Stanton Friedman and others who have been in
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the UFO field for years and years their entire For example,
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let me see Kevin Randall's book The Government UFO Files,
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The Conspiracy of cover Ups is one book dedicated to that.
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So how can a book that is four hundred and
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some odd pages compare with a book that goes in
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detail of a specific topic.
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Well, I think that that is the crux of all
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of this, and they're your key questions. As I was
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getting into the topic, I saw the most interesting UFO
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books were extremely focused, and they talked about abductions or
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about a particular abduction, or about Rosquell, or about hollow Worth,
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or about conspiracy theory. And there are books and some
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good ones that encompass the entire phenomenon, but they are
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encyclopedias and so it's bits of information and that wanted
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to write and encompassing narrative history, and SOFAQ is one
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hundred and seventy thousand words of narrative history. And it's
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not necessarily for the UFO expert, although I think that
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those people are apt to get a lot of fresh
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insteadt out of it. It will especially tickle the curious
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and the open minded who want a single volume narrative
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history of the UFO phenomenon. And that is what UFO
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FAQ is.
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But there are other bookshews there like that already.
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Not that I encountered that are in print. As I said,
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there are others that encompassed the entire phenomenon, but they're
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alphabetical encyclopedias, and so there is not a sustained line
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of thought throughout all of those pages. This is the book.
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Let's talk about another case inside of your book. Let
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me see here the Betty and Barney hillcase.
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Yes, it's the first notable abduction case, of course, nineteen
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sixty one. I'm in New Hampshire. And it's such a watershed,
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isn't it. It was a pair of credible witnesses, upstanding
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and unassuming citizens. Uh, and then retrospect. The interesting thing
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about the Hill case is that it introduced into you,
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oh study, Uh, that unwholesome sexuality that upsets and and
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and and and intrigues a lot of people.
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Uh.
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How so.
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Where does the wholesome sexuality come in?
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H The Hills said that they were physically probed and
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examined and uh uh and that's another word for violated, uh,
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coming against their will. And that aspect of unwholesome sexuality,
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it's become a subset of a lot of you study.
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And I don't know if that's good or bad. It
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simply is, and it's certainly interesting.
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What about the Travis Walton case.
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The Travis Walton case. Yeah, I'm not familiar with that case.
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Wait a second. You wrote a book on UFOs alien abductions,
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and you didn't write about the Travis Walton case.
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In the book's introduction, I say that that I was
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constrained by space. I had four hundred pages, and if
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I were to do this subject justice, I would have
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to write rob a twenty volume encyclopedia.
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But but there is more.
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But there is more evidence to the Travis Walton case
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than any other alien abduction case that has ever been
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written about. And yet you wrote about the Betty and
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Barney Hill case, which has been debunked by a number
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of UFO investigators, and left out one where there is
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law enforcement, polygraph testing, physical evidence.
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I don't understand it.
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Many many UFO cases are supported or are roundly debunked.
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It isn't uncommon for a particular case to have its
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supporters and its deniers. I selected instances that suggested the
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breadth of the oh phenomenon, and I simply could not
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speak about every single case. Again at the twenty volume encyclopedia,
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if you're going to get into that.
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Actually actually actually know Jerome Clarke did it in two volumes.
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It's called the UFO Encyclopedia, and it's two call it's
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two volumes. One is A to K and the other
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is El ta Z.
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But that's already been I'm going to talk about everything.
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It's at least twenty volumes.
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But here here you know that, right, But here you
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but here you wrote and you know I'm a subject.
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It is huge here huge?
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Then how can you how can you not include one
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of the most talked about alien abduction cases in UFO
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history and not included in your book where you include
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Betty and Barney Hill.
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See this is.
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Probably because in my chapter on abductions, I was satisfied
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that I had covered the the psychology of such cases,
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the physical aspects of such cases, the emotional respects of
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such cases. I simply can't talk about every single one, No,
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but I would have to make decisions.
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But I would imagine being ad.
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Pages, not four thousand pages.
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But I would imagine being an author who wants to
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put the best foot forward to prove that he now
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this book is worth buying, that you would include the
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top cases of the day. That's all I'm getting at.
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I just don't understand why that Ian Barney Hill's case
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would be in there from the nineteen sixties where there
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were no witnesses compared to the witnesses that were that
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were at the that the place with Travis Watson. That's
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I'm just trying to find balance and understanding.
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I focused on the Hill case because it's a touchstone.
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It has an enormous social importance and possibly huge scientific
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importance as well.
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And and and.
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If I omitted it, I would be remiss.
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I don't think, well, you know, I, like I said,
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I find and others in the UFO community who had
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been doing this for a number of years would agree
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with me that the Travis Walten case would be the
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one that should be looked at as because of the
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entirety of it, the entirety of the polygraphic examinations, the psychology,
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the psychoanalyst that was done, the hypnotic regression that was done,
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the trace evidence, the FBI's input, the radar trackings. You know,
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to me, this would have been a more pivotal case.
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But I'm not the author in this case, and I'm
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sure that you did due diligence and research and you
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decided not to include it.
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Okay, So let's go to another case here, Project blue Book.
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Yes, it's the U s a f I'm an investigatory body,
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and uh, I mean it's interesting. A lot of Project
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Blue Book memos ended up being released in recent years,
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and it's an interesting portrait of of of applauding bureaucracy.
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And I think that that the project at the outset
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had had a pretty serious interest in the UFO or
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or flying Saucer phenomenon of the day. The real question
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is what was the motive of Washington in approving Blue Book.
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I'm in funding it and in perpetual for whole over
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twenty years. Are they hiding things that they simply wish
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to divert public attention from uncomfortable questions. I don't know.
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Blue Book is important culturally in that it gave the
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imprimature of science and military and government to UFO study,
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and in that regard it's extremely valuable as to its
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ultimate conclusions that itself found and that we might draw.
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I don't know if it is as valuable, but in
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that cultural sense, it's it's off the important.
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You and I have to take our final break. Please
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With me, Kevin Randall is your host. We'll be taking
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the paranormal, and those things that excite us. Sometimes we'll
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agree with a guest and sometimes we won't, but we'll
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try to keep the program topical. For those of you
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like to read, be sure to visit www. Dot Kevinrandall
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other fine programs on the x Zilline Broadcast Network at
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www dot XZBN dot net. This is Kevin Randall. For
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nearly thirty years I have been investigating the case of
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the Roswell UFO. I have interviewed hundreds of people and
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stood on the crash site now in Roswell in the
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twenty first century. I have reviewed dozens of hours of
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audio and videotaped interviews, examined hundreds of files that relate
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to the crash, and have returned to Roswell an attempt
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to put all that information into the proper perspective. For
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the first time. In Roswell in the twenty first century,
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I have made a dispassionate reevaluation of all that material
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and provide a new look at what happened. This is
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a book that clears away all the clutter that has
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hidden the truth for so long, strips away the various
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lies that's around the case, exposes the air force attempts
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at cover up, and found a core of solid information
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that tells us all where the case stands today. Roswell
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in twenty first century will be available in just a
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few weeks. For more information, please visit my website at
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www dot Kevinrandall dot blogspot dot com.
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What happened in Benghazi is revealed by Nicholas Genix, author
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of Obama, Islam and Benghazi. He informs the American people
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that President Obama deceived them by advocating a strong foreign
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policy prior to the twenty twelve presidential election, and Hillary
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Clinton supported this deception. As the title infers, there is
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a connection between Obama, Islam and Benghazi. Ample evidence informs
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Americans that Obama's early in doctrination in the Quran developed
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an infinity for Islam, Why the Quran is the source
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of discontent in many countries, and why the Obama foreign
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policy deception led to poor military action and caused the
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loss of American lives in Benghazi. Genix provides thirty six
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questions for the Select Committee on Bengazi to validate if
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Americans are justified to mistrust President Obama and Hillary Clinton.
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An overview of Obama, Islam and Benghazi is presented on
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the website www Dot Future of Godamen dot com. That's
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www Dot Future of Godamen dot com.
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After life expert ROBERTI. Grimes was the first one to
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say that dying can be fun. Now, her best selling book,
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The Fun of Dying is available in stores worldwide. So
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if you wonder whether death end's life, how it feels
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of Dying was written for you. And if you have
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easier fears and bring new meaning to your life. Nothing
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said in the Fun of Dying is based on the
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teachings of any religion. Instead, Roberta draws on evidence to
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explain how death happens, how it feels, and what comes next.
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A lot of the best death related evidence was produced
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in the first half of the twentieth century. When it
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is put together with recent discoveries, it tells a consistent
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and amazing story. Roberta Grimes blogs and answers questions at
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ROBERTA Grimes dot com. Her wonderful book, The Fun of
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Dying is available on Amazon and that stores worldwide wherever
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books are sold. David Hogan is our guest who's the
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author of UFO. Faq and David were are some of
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the UFO hotspots that you write about in your book.
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I think an interesting one is the beautiful Pacific Coast
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Highway and that is uh. I think it's uh word
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one isn't even yeah, California State Route one. And it
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it's in the proximity of air force bases and it
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has inspired a lot of sightings, notably on a spot
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called Sycamore Knoll, which is a contoured underwater shelf about
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two thousand feet under the ocean surface northwest of Malibu.
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And they're interesting photographs of this, of this shelf. And
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in the minds of some people, it is almost like
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a hangar or a you know, it's a redoubt of
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some sort. It's a holding place for UFOs uh and
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and then other people feel that it's simply a natural
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formation uh and not a hangar at all. There is
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no arbor plane in Australia. It's uh. It's about seven
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hundred and fifty miles across UH. It's arid and dry
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and uh. It's another place that has attracted many, many sightings. UH.
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Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, has has brought us reports of
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orange spheres, orange lights, orange fireballs, orange circles. So Ki,
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Russia it is another hotspot, and then there are others
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in Chile, in Colorado, the Welsh Triangle at Saint Bry's
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Bay in Wales, and the sidings there date to nineteen
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fifty two and still continue. It's the whole world of hotspots.
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And isn't that intriguing.
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Why do you think the governments of the world are
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insisting that there are no UFOs?
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Well, it's a combination of things. On the one hand,
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it's a pedestrian and unimaginative mindset. If they can't see it,
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if they can't touch it or taste it, then it
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ain't real. On the other hand, they have their agendas.
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I'm in Governments are systems, and they're not our friends,
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but systems, and every system is only devoted to its
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own survival, and it has its secrets and it has
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to protect those secrets. Now, I don't know if those
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secrets are all about extraterrestrials in terms of hard proof,
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or if the secrets are simply that the government doesn't
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trust us and doesn't want us to even think too
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much about other planets, other civilizations. I don't think governments
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have particularly high opinions of their people, and they are
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also secreted by nature. And so you tell me what
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they're hiding and why, Well.
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I don't think they are hiding anything, because over the
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number of years since Roswell, there hasn't been that smoking gun,
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that all conclusive proof, that hardcore evidence that anybody has
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brought forward to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt
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that UFOs are real, that people are being abducted by aliens,
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that the government is conspiring against the people. This is
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all hypothetical, based on a lot of hearsay and very.
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Little prop You were chatting a few minutes ago the
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RAB about a particular case. I wasn't a had witnesses.
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I wasn't and.
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The involvement, yes, but I wasn't a lot of professional people.
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Yes, I was talking, yes, and I didn't say that.
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The case always distinguished.
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If you'd give me a chance to answer, thank.
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You, it's my pleasure.
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Do you do a lot of radio. Do you do
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a lot of radio interviews?
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I'd say a there amount.
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Why you know, because usually people who do a lot
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of radio understand that the host has got to get
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some some questions in too.
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Well.
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I understand that hosts enjoy aggressive guests too well. That's
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good radio.
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Well, you see, I can tell you don't do a
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lot of radio by just what you said there. Listen,
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I think we're just going to we're just going to
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agree to disagree. Because even with the Travis Walton case,
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all it proved is that something happened. People saw things
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they couldn't understand people. You know, there was there was
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a lot of strange things that were witnessed by many people.
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He even passed a polygraph test, and a polygraph test
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is only is only as effective as the person's belief
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in what they're saying. But when it comes to Roswell,
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New Mexico, to me, that's you know, it's it's a
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no go. Because Jesse Marcel, the so called base intelligence officer,
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and I don't think he had an ounce of brains
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in him, went to the Brazil farm, got some evidence,
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put it in his jeep, and instead of going back
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to the.
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Base, what does he do? He goes home.
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Unless his wife and kid play with the evidence right
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then and there, that case is over. Right then in there,
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the chain of custody and evidence is over.
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It is gone.
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It is yeah, okay. And when I am.
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Not a proponent of Roswell. I'm simply explaining in the
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book what it is.
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Have you ever wanted to investigate one of these cases yourself?
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Have I wanted to?
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Yeah?
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No?
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Then why did you write about it?
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No?
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Then why did you write about it?
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If you don't have enough interest to go and want
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to dig into one of these cases to get you
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to get your teeth into it, to really see what's
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behind the smoke and mirrors, why did you write your
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book on it?
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No?
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I devoted eighteen months of my life to this book,
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Rob And as I said at the beginning of our chat,
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I am the kid who was fascinated with this stuff,
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and that child like wonder has never left me. I
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am very curious, I am very open minded, and I
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think the UFO FAQ is the ideal book for anyone
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who is curious about the breadth of the subject and
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who to know what it's about, pro and con and
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in the middle.
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All right, listen, listen, we've run out of time. I
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want to thank you so much for joining us tonight.
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It's been a bit of a challenge. Oh aybay, let
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me see here. He's written a book on UFOs. He's
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never seen a UFO he's never done any UFO research.
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The book is about four hundred and twenty four pages,
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and that's only in a six x nine book, which
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means there's a lot of everything in there, with no
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meat and potatoes. He writes about the Barney hillcase, but
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he doesn't include the Travis Walton case. Then what really
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ticked me off was his attitude about people who self publish. Here,
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you've got this hoity toity author who wrote a book
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three hundred thousand copies sold used in university's big bloody deal.
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Doesn't mean very much to me.
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But when you've got people who have stories and they
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take the time and the effort to write their stories,
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to edit their stories, to do everything, put it on
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Amazon and sell it, they're the real heroes here, not
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the flunkies who work for publishing houses. And that just
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grabbed me the wrong way. And then to say that
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he's never investigated a UFO, he's never seen UFO. A
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lot of his information is based on experiences of others
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that you can easily get on the internet without paying
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nineteen dollars. And when is it Craig nineteen nineteen ninety
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nine us to buy a book that you can easily
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google the information yourself on the Internet. No, I just
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found him to be a very self righteous person who
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has not done a lot of radio, and you know what,
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I don't think he will. This may be his first
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and only book when it comes to UFOs. I'll be
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back on the other side of this commercial break, because
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you know what, there are people out there like Kevin
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Randall and others who write books, who do the investigations,
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Tom Kerry, you know, and the rest of them who
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actually do the investigations, write the books, get the information
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out there, pour their hearts and soul into it because
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they know what it's like to have the passion and
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the burning inside to write something that people will want
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to read, not something that you'll publish because you're going
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to be the biggest purchaser of your own books. I'll
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be back on the other side of this break as
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we continue hearing the X Zone from our broadcast center
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in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Hey, exonation, do I see them
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a little ticked off? I am royally ticked off at
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this guy. I think we're going to put him in
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the X Zone order of.
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Woo woos and a few other places. But we won't
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go there right now, I'm Rob mc oddle.
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This is the EX.
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Soon I'll be back. Don't go away.