Time and Change: Devastating Misses, Big-Time Hits, and the Future of Ohio State Recruiting

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Hello, everybody. Welcome to the Time and Change Will Shirley Show,
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where Juck and I I am Tony Gerderman, along with
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Juck Maletti, take a look at Ohio State History, Ohio
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State President, and Ohio State Future. Focused on one topic
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at a time and we just explore the room on
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that topic. Today we're talking about everybody's favorite thing, which
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is recruiting. And this is recruiting pre dates the Internet era,
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and we'll also probably I don't know if it'll post
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date the Internet era, but it's been around forever and
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even though there are changes, there will always be recruiting.
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And so as we do on this show, I like
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to set a baseline. So when did you start following
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recruiting and what were some of those early ones that
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you remember?
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Well?
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I remember just a few from probably I don't know,
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from the time I was ten to fifteen. I remember
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Mike Vrabel because there's a lot of people around the
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area that we're worried he might.
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Go to Michigan.
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He went up to a Michigan camp and I was
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a ball boy at Walsh so that was like a
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big thing. And Mike Rabel obviously was before I ever
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you know, could find a star ranking or anything like that,
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but he, without a doubt, would be a five star,
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no doubt about that in today's day and age. So
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that was big time, big time fodder around here, as
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was Derek Warnkey ended up going to Ohio State. But
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you know, there weren't many I can probably count on
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from the time I was ten to fifteen, probably just
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five or six that were ones that were really ones
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that I that stood out to me. It wasn't until
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probably the early two thousands that I really started getting into,
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you know, some some recruiting big time.
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Yeah, and the the Internet era starts two thousand and
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two is when Rivals and Scout at that time started
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to really that's that's basically all the further you can
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go back. There are times though, where I will you know,
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the the Internet archive, the way back machine. I will
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go and type in some old type in the ozone
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in there, and I'll go back to like nineteen ninety eight,
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nineteen ninety seven when John Parentis would have Bill Corolic
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do his recruiting updates. So it's like on this date,
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you know, let's see what what was happening with Chris
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Simms and Ohio State on this date and you know,
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nineteen ninety nine or whatever, and you can just it's
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a blash from the past when they're talking to all
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of these players, like you know, you go to like
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two thousand and five or whatever, and it's like Prescott
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burd just liked his visit to Ohio State. I wonder
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how that's gonna I wonder how that's gonna turn out.
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So on my list to talk about today, Tony, that
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one burned me bad, Bud.
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So yeah, I wanted to. It's funny because I wanted
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to talk about some some big time wins and losses,
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and yet like all I wrote down is losses. And
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it's exactly like the Tom and I just did a
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Buckeye Weekly episode listener Question episode, and the question was basically,
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what why does it seem like Ohio State always loses
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the big time recruits And like you're just you're that's
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not true. You've lost perspective. They win plenty, they get
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look at Jeremiah Smith, look at all these guys they've got.
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And then it's like when I'm jotting down all of
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these things that I remember, it's just, you know, it's
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just a litany of losses and well that guy got away,
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you know, Buster Davis, Kajana Carter, you know Eric Shelton,
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Like these are twenty twenty five, thirty years ago, but
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yes they have one some. But I did also ask
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on Twitter for some some people, and I think the
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number one guy in terms of biggest hurtful losses was
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Micah Parsons, which was an ESPN Game Day situation where
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there it's it's just an error on a bunch of
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people's parts and and they missed out on him. So
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that was like one of the sticks out. But you know,
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give us a good one, give us something that a
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win that you have jotted down. That way we can
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start to show off on a good note.
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Well here I mean not too long back.
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But the Riley Pettijohn win I thought was amazing because
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there wasn't much noise with Ohio State and Riley Pettijohn
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throughout the entire twenty twenty five cycle. It was like
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he was always out there on the periphery that Ohio
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State was recruiting him, but they had just signed his
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buddy who was at Skyline in Texas, another five star
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running back in Texas, and it looked like he was
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going to stay home, and then things start heating up
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between the Buckeyes and Pettijohn and all of a sudden,
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here comes USC entering into the picture. And it was
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right at the time where USC was starting to get
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big with the money and his mom had said something
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about the you know, something about the coach out there,
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and at whatever comment that was, people took to me
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and like, oh, he's getting a big bag from USC.
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And it just never looked like until he committed, like
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Ohio State was gonna win that one, and then bam
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they win, and it's like, oh my gosh, we need
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to go watch some film because honestly, I hadn't even
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really been checking up on him a ton because it
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felt so far fetched that they were gonna land this
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kid out of Texas, and that one was just like
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a huge win to me, like you got to be
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kidding me, This is amazing, and pairing him with TJ. Alfred,
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it was just like, this is awesome.
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It was a nice coupe getting those two guys, one
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from Texas, one from Florida, and then you get the
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Ohio middle linebacker and Eli Lee as well. I mean,
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the Jeremy Smith is one that everybody remembers in terms
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of watching it. Like watching It's one thing to see
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a commitment live on TV or whatever, but it's another
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to see the head coach get the word live that
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the something right, the letter of intent is in and
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he's good and you saw ryand you know, fake like
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he's going to faint. But I guarantee you his blood
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pressure was changing, his neee ligaments were a little bit looser,
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and he got that news and I think that was
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the same day they were still waiting on Edric Houston as.
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Well, and that he had a similar reaction. But you
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can look back, Tony, it's a great moment. I mean,
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it's a Buckeye history moment because we can look back
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right now that guy knew, right he knew what most
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people didn't know in that moment. He knew what he
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would be when he walked in. He already knew. And
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that was a real moment right there. And people made
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fun of him, national folks about his overdramatic reaction. No,
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that was a real flipping moment and we can look
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back at point to it now and we'll talk about
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it twenty years from now.
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Dan Lanning would have jumped into seventeen different pools if
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they would have gotten that signature. I do remember Baron
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Browning in the twenty seventeen class. Irban Meyer was telling
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him the story on signing day that Baron called him
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up and said, I'm committing to Alabama. I'm sorry, and
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Urban took his phone and he just threw it up
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against the wall and smashed it. And then the phone
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like rang a couple of minutes later, and it's Baron
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Browning's dad calling him, calling Urban saying, hey, congrats, coach,
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he got a good one. It's like, what are you
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talking about? He's going to Alabama and He's like, no,
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I think Baron's just pulling a prank on you. And
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so then that's how Urban found out that, oh, Baron
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Browning is actually signing with us. And then three and
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a half years later, they finally started to use him
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correctly and you go, you know, you got seven good
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games out of him. But there's always always fun stories
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like that. There's a couple that got away. Here's a
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sneaky one. Tell me if this would have impacted the
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Buckeyes last year, Blake Miller going to Clemson, If Ohio
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State has him as a senior senior right tackle last year.
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Do you think they do better? Do you think they
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can handle a little bit more of the Indiana and
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the specific and also well the Miami pressure. Do you
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think he changes things at all? I'm not saying does
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he change the game, but does you know, like something
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like that word his name was mentioned a couple of times.
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I thought that was a sneaky good pick.
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I agree.
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I don't know if they could have handled the elite
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movement of purdueing Wisconsin, but maybe Miami and in Indiana
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if they had Blake Miller. But no, seriously, yeah, I
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think that definitely would have been been a big deal
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because when you look at a guard that is having
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such a bad season like Tiger had last year, when
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you put a guy like that in between a really
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good center and a really good tackle that are both
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very experienced, his play goes up exponentially. And that's just fact.
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So pairing Phil Daniels, who's getting his feet wet, next
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to Tegra just made the whole side of that line
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much weaker, and I don't think it helped Teger at all.
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But yeah, put Blake next to him, definitely, that's a
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much better line.
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Another one that has always here's here's my most painful.
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I think this is my most painful growing up loss
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that I saw at higher state suffer. And that's Michael Bush,
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running back quarterback from Louisville. Went to Louisville, and if
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they would have been able to sign him, he would
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have been there as a running back in two thousand
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and three when they did not have a running back
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in two thousand and three, and I think he would
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have been just fine, and more than fine. He was
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a playmaker. He's very, very good at Louisville. Another guy
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that went to Louisville. I can give you a bunch
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of went to Louisville, like Eric Shelton. Another running back
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from like Lexington in two thousand and one, went to
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Florida State and then transferred to Louisville. If they have
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him in two thousand and one, two thousand and two,
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two thousand and three, I don't think that keeps Murray's
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clarette from going there. But that's another one you get
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throw in James quick with like twenty two thousand and seven.
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I don't even know I.
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Wanted tongue man. I wantn't him bad. Michael Bush. Now,
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didn't Petrino try to like bribe him by saying he
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was going to make him a quarterback or give him
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an opportunity to play quarterback to get him there?
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Yeah, and he was. He was a dynamic quarterback and
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then he played a little bit of quarterback. But they
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also had Brian Brohm, so right, do that math.
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But he was going to transfer to Ohio State at
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one point, wasn't he like he was thinking about it.
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You know, there are probably all kinds of rumors at
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that point. But man, you know what, maybe he plays
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quarterback instead of Troy Smith.
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Speaking of Troy Smith and the Buster Davis recruitment, that's
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that's the that's the Troy Smith scholarship recruiter. Right, Buster
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Davis doesn't come to Ohio State. Troy Smith ends up
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getting that scholarship. It was the final one in the
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class and the rest his history. So Buster Davis did
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us a big favor.
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Boy. That's that's very good because he was mentioned as
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you know, a painful loss, and sometimes the ones you
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lose it works out okay. But that's that's one that
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has stuck around forever. Everybody wanted him and and they
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don't get him, and so what do you get instead?
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You get a Heisman Trophy winner, And you know, it's like,
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I wonder what guy they missed out on that allowed
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them to get Kenny Guyon at the end of the
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like the two thousand and nine class. And sometimes sometimes
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things work out, you know. I just looking through this list.
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Co John Decarter in nineteen ninety two went to Penn State.
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There were rumors that the Arizona Cardinals, maybe the Phoenix
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Cardinals at that point, were looking at John Cooper, and
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I think those rumors are probably put out by Joe
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Paterno because John McCarter was a Westerville football player and
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he ends up going to Penn State, and that would
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have been a pair him with it, you know, pair
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him for he runs the show for a couple of
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years with Raymont Harris and then they hand the keys
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over to Eddie George. That would have been fun to
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watch because he's still one of the best college football
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running backs I ever saw John Carter. I don't know
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if you remember him at all watching him.
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I remember it. I remember it at Penn State. I
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don't remember the recruitment or him in high school. I
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was probably ten or eleven.
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But I'm just do you think Jon Robinson the twenty
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twenty class commits to Ohio State, then you know you've
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got you got his What Grandma's like, Yeah, I drather,
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you stay closer to home. And so then he flips
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to Texas. And I've had some people say, well, if
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they get Jon Robinson, then they don't get Trevion Henderson.
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And they needed Trevion Henderson in twenty twenty four. And
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I still think you can still land Trevion Henderson if
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you've got Bjon Robinson, because Henderson came in with Evan Pryor,
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like sharing Carri's was never going to be an issue
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with him.
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Absolutely he was.
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He was all for Quinchawn Judkins coming in. I don't know,
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you know twenty twenty two, the running backs are banged up.
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If they have Bjon Robinson junior B Jon Robinson twenty
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twenty two, that's is there a better.
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Offense, big big difference. Yeah, absolutely, he's I mean, this
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is almost this thing where we've gone about this and
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I feel like the NFL mindset has kind of creeped in. Uh,
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but it's but it's coming back, like the thought that
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all backs were interchangeable just kind of started to creep
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into college football and even into the fan mindset. I
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think we forgot, like, no, some of these dudes are
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just different, and they totally change your flipping offense. And
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now that we're all back on board, like acknowledging this,
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then we get a recruitment like a DGG and everybody's
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all amped up. But yeah, man, these guys can change
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your offense. And Bejon certainly was a guy who could
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have done that. In a year where you got a
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walk on wide receiver carrying the football, you're so dinged.
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Up, boy, yeah, and you're dealing with it. You got
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a walk on white form, a walk on wide receiver,
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you've got a transfer linebacker and what twenty twenty three
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carrying the ball the moon Chip train him Dallan Hayden
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is carrying the ball as a true freshman at that time,
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and can't really get on the field after that because
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once they stopped being so banged up. I guess it
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wasn't as much of an issue, But man, it would
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have been fun to watch. And there's there's a long
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list of running backs that were almost buck eyes that
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it would have been fun to watch. I think Ohio
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State has been pretty fortunate over the years to have
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the running backs that they do, but it's fun to
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imagine some of the guys that they could have had
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that they didn't. One of my favorites all time that
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I guess didn't have the grades, but Javon Ringer from
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Dayton I think went to Michigan State and Mark D'Antonio
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ran him like three hundred ninety times in this season
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and shredded hisase. But that dude was fun to watch.
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There's there's been a bunch of others like Tyrrell Sutton,
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who was in the same class as Beanie Wells went
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to Northwestern and it wasn't so he was just fun
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to watch.
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Made it to the NFL as is such a So
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he's a small guy, I mean, where his dad was enormous.
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He was an Akron cop, like a legendary Ackron cop bodybuilder.
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He was just like a house.
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But the Sutton boys were beasts up here in Akron,
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Man and Tyroll was the beastiest of them.
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The big losses.
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From Warren killed me early on, Like you brought up
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Prescott Burgess and Sean Crable in that two thousand and
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three class, and then Mario Manningham a couple of years
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later was he with It was the three of them.
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One of them was a couple years later. I think
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Manningham was a couple of years later out of Warren Harding.
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And now his son, Mario Manningham Junr is at Akron
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Hobin and he's got a Michigan offer after just finishing
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his freshman year. He hasn't done anything yet. We'll see
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what he turns into. But boy, when they were when
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they get those big wins in bunches, man, it's demoralizing
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to me. I hate it so much. But those guys
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that they stung a lot for me. Those wins right
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there really stung. Recent ones that I think stung everybody.
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Obviously.
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The David Sanders loss was just a huge, massively magnified outsize,
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much more than it should have been, in my opinion loss.
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The Justin Hill loss to Alabama was a pretty big one.
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The NAIM offered signing day flip after being in the
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class with Devin Sanchez the whole time was a big,
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nasty loss.
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The biggest win I think, I think, the biggest win.
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I've ever loved of my life was the Terrell Prior win.
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The way that thing went down, the way it drug out,
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the cancelation like that one right there was just I
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felt like we we won a national championship that day.
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You'll still hear the horror stories and the angry stories
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from the Ohio state media that went to cover that.
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And then you drive all the way out to Jeannette,
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Pennsylvania and then he's like, I'm not committing today, and
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you're like this little so that I guess that was
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the first instance. You know, Trell was right, he can't
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you know, he runs this stuff, and uh he ran
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that one and then he ran everybody back home. That
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one was I don't know if there's ever been another
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one like that. First. It went well past signing day,
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so did J. T. Twey Molowaw, which is another another
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big one. But you know the fates of imagine Michigan
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with Rich Rodriguez getting Treell Prior, I think things would
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have been much different than He was the perfect quarterback
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for that system, perfect perfect. It would have been something
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to watch. He's like a six to six Pat White.
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They just didn't have a Steve Select, you know. But
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that one was. That one was a fun one the
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my remembrance, my recollection of the Prescott Burgess thing because
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at the time he was rated as a five star safety,
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but he was already like six three two twenty. Ohio
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State told him you're going to be a linebacker, Lloyd Carson,
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We're gonna let you play safety, and then as soon
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as he arrived, they put him at linebacker and said,
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welcome to Anne Arbor. And that's you know, there's some
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stories like that. One other people mentioned uh Shari Floyd,
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defensive tackle that committed and signed with Florida after you know,
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urban Meyer said he had like a spiritual dream about him.
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That was the report back then. There's there's so many stories.
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I'm one day there'll be uh you know more told
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about the Legend Bay situation. But don't sleep on that win.
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I think I know there are some very excited people
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around the program having him in this building.
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Tony.
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How about waiting on Marquise Lightfoot out of Chicago, waiting
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on his decision all Buck Eye Leen and then you
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get the surprise justin Scott defensive tackle, five star commitment
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right to Ohio State. Waiting at now you're thinking you're
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gonna get them both and then you end up losing lightfoot.
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He commits to Miami and then Scott flips to Miami.
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That was like an all timer, Like, oh my god,
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this class was looking amazing in my head, and now
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we're scratching and clawing on signing day for one guy
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in Edric Houston. Like it turned into nothing.
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That feels like that. Yeah, that was the beginning of
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the end for Larry Johnson. Except these are just fine.
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Here's one. Let's see if you remember it when the
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Buckeyes lost Meg. No, no, okay, this is during the
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Kyle Dotson commitment. So this has been I don't know
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the class of two thousand and twelve maybe, but at
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his school they had all of their kids, all of
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the athletes committing and you know, field hockey and all
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of this, and there's a girl named Meg who you know,
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was choosing between like Ohio State and stand and she
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she chose, uh, she chose Stanford. But it was just
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like the longest thing. You're there to watch. You we're
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on YouTube or whatever it was at that point watching
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for Kyle Dotson, and you got to watch all of
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these kids and then Meg essentially becomes like an internet legend.
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Because she's taking her time and people are like, get
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her off the stage. We're just here to see Kyle Tony.
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I got it, So hopefully it's still out there. But
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those are some some you have anything else written down
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that you wanted to touch on. I will say this
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one of my earliest memories. One of that that I
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remember that I went and watched Orlando Pace, who we
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got to see played basketball at Sandusky. His team was
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playing in the playoffs and they were in Bowling Green,
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so that was like thirty minute drive for us. So
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we went and watched him drop step on like a
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five star freshman and dunket and they were like, that's
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this is gonna be fun to watch when he's when
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he's playing left tackle for the Buckeyes. But that was
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that was a big when Andy Katzimoyer, you know, that
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was he was a known recruit at the time. So
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just throwing some names out there from the nineties for us.
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One more big painful period for me ton losing back
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to back number one player in Ohio linebacker Jordan Hicks
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to Texas trade a priest Alabama. That that's made me
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just absolutely furious, man, furious. But you know, while Hicks
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was was good and had a long NFL career. The
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priest he was all right. But nah, man, that that
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that was a stinger, right there. Man, two five stars
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in state now it's boy, it doesn't even seem to
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phase me anymore because the players are just so much
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more different. You know, I was looking through Tony Alabama, Georgia,
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in Ohio State. Ohio State with five out of the
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top twenty prospects in Ohio, Georgia with two of the
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top twenty in Georgia, Alabama with one or two of
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the top twenty in Alabama all blue Chippers. I mean,
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it's just that that's what it is now in Ohio
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State is still doing better than their competitors within state talent.
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But it's like, if these guys want to put themselves
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and say all right, no there's I'm not I'm not
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even footing with everybody, then that's how the local.
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School's going to treat them.
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You know, if you want to give a hot state
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the benefit of the doubt and say, okay, yeah, there
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is going to be a little hometown discount, like they're
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going to prioritize you. But if you want to treat
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them like they're anybody else, Well, you're going on the
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board like anybody else, and that's the way it's going
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to be.
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And I agree with that.
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Yeah, I mean, it's a different world now, and if
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we're done talking about the past, we can go ahead
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and transition into the present, because that's basically what we're
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talking about here. And yeah, the idea that it is
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become more more of a business, and so if the
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recruits are going to treat it as such, then then
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you have the new schools have to do it. It's
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just like talking with Brady Edmonds, Ohio States currently committed
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quarterback for the time being, saying that this is a business.
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He understands the school has to operate as a business.
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He does as well. And now like it doesn't matter
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what states you're in. We've seen Ohio State struggle in
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state with the secondary over the last few years. And
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the idea of the hometown the homeschool discount. Alabama used
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to do it. Georgia is still still able to do it.
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But you're seeing, like you said, if kids were more
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interested in that hometown discount, there'd be more Georgia players
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committed to Georgia, and so it'll be interesting to see
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how you go about not fixing it, but adjusting and
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you still want to like Ohio State's always going to
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build from within. You want a nice baseline of Ohio kids.
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And they've done that on the offensive line, and you'll
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do that with the skill players that you know want
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to play for you. But man, it's until they get
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the agent situation settled. Then you know, it's hard to
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get the recruiting situation settled. Almost.
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Yeah, no doubt.
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It's just I mean it's a different mentality and we've
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seen it come up for a couple of years. I mean,
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number one, you got these guys, they've all grown up
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watching you know, everybody puts out their top ten and
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this is what they do. So they're looking at this
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and they're all right, that's what we do. And there's
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just not that same kind of natural like, yeah, it's
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Ohio State and then I work out from there for
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in state guys, which is what the mindset always was.
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I can get the big time offers if I'm getting
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Ohio State, it's it's that's where I'm working out from.
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If somebody pulls me out, that's one thing. Now it's like, no, no,
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the slate is totally even. Everything's totally open. We're starting
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off with with deals. We've got priorities, We've got to
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make money.
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I get it. It's just a different feel.
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And somebody was asking me, like, you know it doesn't
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know how state need to lock the state down, and
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I'm like, you know, I'm sitting here looking for instance,
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at cornerback, like we talk about, you know, looking at.
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The last couple of classes at cornerback.
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You got the number one cornerback in twenty twenty five
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and following it up with the number one quarterback in
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a corner in twenty twenty six with Devin Sanchez and
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Jay Timmins your kicker in twenty twenty six, not kicker, kicker,
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your second guy, Jordan Thomas. I think when you add
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Jay Timmins and Jordan Thomas together, it's significantly more desirable
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than the duo of Albert Hill and Vic Singleton, who
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were your in state guys that defected to USC and
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Texas A and M. And if the fact that those
481
00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:45.839
guys didn't want to give you a hometown discount, Tim
482
00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:47.799
Walton expanded the board and got the guys that he
483
00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:50.960
wanted and we ended up with better football players, So
484
00:25:51.599 --> 00:25:53.440
you know there's also like this can work out in
485
00:25:53.480 --> 00:25:54.480
our favor as well.
486
00:25:55.079 --> 00:25:57.039
Yeah, and you're Ohio State, so you're going to be
487
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able to do more than most. And you also have
488
00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:04.519
because you're Ohio State. You've got kids from all over
489
00:26:04.519 --> 00:26:06.640
the country that have grown up wanting to play for you,
490
00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:09.319
or when I say grown up the last three years
491
00:26:09.440 --> 00:26:13.200
they you know, they right since they've been focused or
492
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:15.880
thinking about it, they want to play for Ohio State.
493
00:26:16.039 --> 00:26:19.240
And it's been interesting to watch. Now in terms of
494
00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:23.119
the twenty twenty seven class, I think Brady Edmund said
495
00:26:23.119 --> 00:26:24.519
he's going to give it a couple of weeks. He
496
00:26:25.160 --> 00:26:27.039
you know, he came off of his Ohio State visit.
497
00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:31.160
He'll do his thinking about you at UCLA and Ohio State.
498
00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:35.559
And at this point, if Ohio State doesn't land him,
499
00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:39.119
then I think he because if they don't land him,
500
00:26:39.119 --> 00:26:41.799
he's gonna flip Ucla and he'll still be committed somewhere.
501
00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:44.799
I think there's what like one uncommitted quarterback in a
502
00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:49.039
twenty four to seven composite in the top like forty quarterbacks,
503
00:26:49.640 --> 00:26:53.640
and so it's like you're gonna have to flip somebody,
504
00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:55.319
which they're trying they would try try to do. I
505
00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:59.000
maybe just go in all in on Trey Taylor, but
506
00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:04.039
that guy seems like he has no interest in leaving Nebraska.
507
00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:06.039
None whatsoever.
508
00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:09.960
You've seen the dad kinda throw out these feelers, but
509
00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:12.359
it almost feels to me like it's more directed at
510
00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:16.200
Nebraska than Ohio State. And when we look at like
511
00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:21.519
the situation of potentially getting another and no disrespect.
512
00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:23.200
To Luke Fahey, I like him, you like him.
513
00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:24.920
The kid can throw the ball, but he does not
514
00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:28.240
look like a future Ohio State starter to me. If
515
00:27:28.279 --> 00:27:31.240
you end up back to back classes with the guy
516
00:27:31.279 --> 00:27:34.759
of that caliber and you passed on Brady Edmunds because
517
00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:38.240
you just you know, the way you conducted yourself, it's
518
00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:40.079
gonna look like a pretty big whiff to me.
519
00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:45.079
Ton Yeah, and that's I think another reason why what's
520
00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:49.480
the harm in signing it Brady Edmunds. But the thing is,
521
00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:51.759
you can't approach it as what's the harm. You've got
522
00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:53.960
to approach like, we want this guy. He can be
523
00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:57.359
at a wife state like you can't be like, Okay,
524
00:27:58.000 --> 00:28:00.759
I guess, yeah, you know you can, sure'll take it.
525
00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:04.680
We'll send the paperwork. I guess that's not the response
526
00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:07.519
that he's looking for, and certainly not the attitude he's
527
00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:09.440
getting from UCLA. And I'm not saying that's the attitude
528
00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:10.920
he is getting from Ohio State. I'm just saying that's
529
00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:13.599
the attitude you can't give him if you are looking
530
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:17.519
to sign a quarterback, because you threw it just fine.
531
00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:20.440
And if he doesn't ever start at Ohio State, he
532
00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:23.319
won't be the only one. Joe Burrow never started at
533
00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:26.119
Ohio State. There are there are plenty of quarterbacks who
534
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:29.200
have never started at Ohio State and can start elsewhere
535
00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:33.160
or begin one place end up another. It's like, you know,
536
00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:34.880
the hit rate.
537
00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:38.119
I'll also say this, Yeah, I don't.
538
00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:41.039
Let's say, for instance, you do end up with a
539
00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:44.559
Luke Fahee and another guy of that caliber, you know,
540
00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:48.720
coming in two straight years, then it looks like you're
541
00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:52.200
most likely after you know, let's say tav in Saint
542
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:56.119
Clair works out, after that, you're possibly looking at bringing
543
00:28:56.119 --> 00:29:00.519
in a transfer starter. And like, this doesn't doesn't bother
544
00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:02.680
me at all anymore at use to Like, you know,
545
00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:05.119
I wanted to keep it in house, you know, develop
546
00:29:05.319 --> 00:29:09.000
do the classic route. But when you win a national
547
00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:11.279
championship with will Howard, and you look at guys like
548
00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:15.440
Carson Beck beating your team, It's like, Okay, there really
549
00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:19.799
is something to this. And I'm watching other schools work
550
00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:22.720
that process and things work out just fine for them.
551
00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:27.400
So at that particular position, I don't really mind if
552
00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:30.559
you don't nail it. At the position in recruiting, I
553
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:33.240
really don't. Now if you get somebody special like a
554
00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:35.680
Trey Taylor, like, that's awesome, or you get a TV
555
00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:38.559
in Saint Clair, that's awesome. But if you don't, I'm
556
00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:40.799
not too awfully concerned about it either. So I really
557
00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:44.839
can't get too too irritated about it in any route.
558
00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:46.839
But I will say that coming into that official visit
559
00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:51.079
with Brady Edmonds, I thought that things would be smoothed
560
00:29:51.079 --> 00:29:54.480
over and he'd come out of that reaffirming his commitment
561
00:29:54.519 --> 00:29:58.480
shutting everything down immediately. I honestly like, I was planned
562
00:29:58.480 --> 00:30:01.359
on doing a video on a Sunday, and I talked
563
00:30:01.400 --> 00:30:03.680
to him and he's like, yeah, we'll see what happens
564
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:05.599
here in the next couple of weeks. I'm like, oh shit,
565
00:30:05.720 --> 00:30:09.279
I didn't. I wasn't expecting that at all. And then
566
00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:13.039
he tweeted something today. It was him on a treadmill
567
00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:16.960
and there's a song playing. In the song title, the
568
00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:20.599
lyrics are like I'm staying in LA. I can't leave
569
00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:23.480
out of LA. And I'm like, dude, what are you doing?
570
00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:25.359
He's like, why are people making a big deal out
571
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:26.960
of this? Like, are you serious?
572
00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:33.000
I wouldn't be surprised if he's having a little fun,
573
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:34.119
and he deserves.
574
00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:36.680
It, because he was a perfect recruit in Ohio State
575
00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:40.480
was not so perfect to him publicly, So all right,
576
00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:42.119
now he's gonna act like a regular recruit.
577
00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:42.920
I get it.
578
00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:45.319
But I also wouldn't be surprised if he ends up
579
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:46.519
at UCLA in two weeks.
580
00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:49.680
I wouldn't either, And you know, because it is interesting
581
00:30:49.960 --> 00:30:53.920
when I asked him last week, you know, so if
582
00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:57.839
you you had some questions that he wanted answered. So
583
00:30:57.960 --> 00:30:59.599
I said, you know, if you get the questions that
584
00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:02.279
you that you get the answers that you're looking for,
585
00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:05.240
do you expect this process to move quickly? He said, yeah,
586
00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:09.160
Now he's quickly, and you're quickly may be different. You know,
587
00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:12.440
it's what's two weeks, it's still early July. What's the
588
00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:18.240
big deal? That sort of thing. But yeah, like we've
589
00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:21.480
recorded a video and it's like, you know, well, I guess,
590
00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:23.920
I guess we'll record another one because by the time
591
00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:26.880
this happens, who knows what we've said in a previous
592
00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:30.319
video that is now completely dated, you know, references that
593
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:34.079
don't make sense, or somebody's committed since then that we
594
00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:37.680
don't we don't acknowledge. But it is still just June
595
00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:43.279
or July. Speaking of July, July twenty second, David Gabriel
596
00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:47.039
George is expected to announce his commitment at that time.
597
00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:54.519
Here's my opinion on this. Everybody wants him. I don't
598
00:31:54.519 --> 00:31:57.319
think he's in need, like I don't think he's a one.
599
00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:01.279
I don't think if you lose him then it's a disaster.
600
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:03.240
I don't think that at all, because I think they
601
00:32:03.319 --> 00:32:06.279
like what they've got. I know they like Elijah Newman
602
00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:11.680
Hall in twenty twenty eight, they'll be okay now. They
603
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:14.160
still want him, very very badly. I just don't think
604
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:17.160
this would be a complete disaster if they don't get him,
605
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:20.880
other than the fact that they've expended so many resources
606
00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:24.400
in trying to get him and told other players no,
607
00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:28.480
because they are they've got they're they're all in on
608
00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:30.480
getting him. If they don't get him. I don't think
609
00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:32.000
it's the end of the world. If they do get him.
610
00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:34.480
I'm not saying it's a guaranteed national championship. I'm just
611
00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:37.240
saying if they don't, they'll be okay. They'll still have
612
00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:40.440
players that can run the ball.
613
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:44.920
I think that this is almost one hundred percent an
614
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:48.799
upside play. Yeah, it's not if it's not. If this
615
00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:53.319
doesn't happen. There are ramifications though, I do think there
616
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:56.359
are some ramifications. Number One, if you take on Ohio
617
00:32:56.359 --> 00:32:59.519
State and you go hard, you will beat them every time.
618
00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:02.880
Almost looks like that to a certain extent. If we're
619
00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:04.359
going to go head to head with somebody, make it
620
00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:07.160
Ohio State, because when it's time to push all the
621
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:10.039
chips in, we will win. And if you're one of
622
00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:12.880
those schools, you can go get them or go after them.
623
00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:17.440
But when it comes to the running back positions, it's
624
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:20.400
also another position where like, I'm never really gonna be
625
00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:23.880
worried about it because in addition to the guys that
626
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:26.599
are currently in the system, you know you can go
627
00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:29.240
out and get an Ahmad Hardy or a Kiwan Lacey.
628
00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:32.400
These guys were ranked tenth and seventeenth in the transfer
629
00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:35.079
portal and they're the best backs in football. Or you
630
00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:37.200
can get a guy pay up a little more for
631
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:40.279
Justice Haynes or Hollywood smothers who you know is going
632
00:33:40.359 --> 00:33:41.200
to come in and be good.
633
00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:42.920
Like, if you need to do that, you can go
634
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:43.359
do that.
635
00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:47.720
But it does look ridiculous, and I'm not gonna just
636
00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:51.119
not address the fact that you look ridiculous if you
637
00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:55.000
go in on two entire classes for one guy and
638
00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:57.359
then pretend like, oh, we didn't know in the end
639
00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:00.720
it was going to cost this much. Like that looks ridiculous,
640
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:04.039
It looks very foolish. But no, I don't think there's
641
00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:07.119
some big detriment to losing it at all. It's all
642
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:09.400
and it's all an upside play. It's all like, I
643
00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:13.400
think this guy can take our team from potentially contender
644
00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:16.559
to maybe that next level, and that's why it's worth it,
645
00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:19.840
not because we're trying to save our butt from going backwards.
646
00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:21.679
So I'm with you on that one hundred percent.
647
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:25.320
If there are some appearance issues in terms of it
648
00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:28.960
would look bad, is it okay to spend more so
649
00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:34.079
that you can save yourself that appearance and maybe let
650
00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:36.360
others know that because you're right. It does feel like
651
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:40.800
you if it's one on one, anybody can just throw
652
00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:44.119
anybody most most programs, if they're just focused on this,
653
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:47.880
one person can can outbid Ohio State. So is there
654
00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:51.760
some value in saying no, you can't. And maybe it's
655
00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:54.559
a little bit more or quite a bit more expensive
656
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:55.480
than you wanted it to be.
657
00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:00.679
I mean, listen, maybe some of this is talking, but
658
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:02.880
I think so. I mean, I I don't feel.
659
00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:04.920
Like it's like a bully. You can't let him.
660
00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:07.079
You can't just let yourself get picked on, right, Like,
661
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:11.199
there is something to that. And when it comes to business, right,
662
00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:14.599
and we are now talking business here, there is definitely
663
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:15.239
something to that.
664
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:18.840
Yeah, where it's just like I'm not I'm not going
665
00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:21.559
to allow this. I don't care what it takes. It's
666
00:35:21.559 --> 00:35:24.079
not like these are public numbers because the families aren't
667
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:27.119
going to necessarily say. You'll have some speculation. But at
668
00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:30.280
some point does enough become enough? And how how worth
669
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:33.639
it is it for you to have that? And you
670
00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:37.719
know you've got there. There's you know, always concerns about
671
00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:39.960
locker room issues. The locker room already knows about David
672
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:43.199
Gabriel George. They know that he's coming, you know, assuming
673
00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:46.440
he's coming. They know all about him, and they know
674
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:49.360
that they he's going to challenge them for Carrie. So
675
00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:53.199
like this is all this is. Again, it's not just
676
00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:55.760
a business for some people some players. It's a business
677
00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:58.760
for all of the players. And you know, the money
678
00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:02.760
is there if you make the right you know, progression
679
00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:04.840
and you make the plays, it's going to be there
680
00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:07.360
for you. And all you have to do is just
681
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:10.199
be better than the other guys. And that's work, that's talent,
682
00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:13.039
that's all that sort of thing. And if some freshman
683
00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:17.000
comes in and makes you feel bad, there's the portal.
684
00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:21.519
I guess. You know, it's a business. You can go
685
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:23.760
find greener past years. And I'm not saying they're going
686
00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:25.880
to push anybody out, but that's just how it is
687
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:28.880
nowadays that you should just be quarterback now. It's kind
688
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:30.320
of like that at every position.
689
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:33.440
Right And I mean, we've talked about how they've treated
690
00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:39.280
him in the way they've acted like a Jeremiah level prospect,
691
00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:44.119
and they clearly made exceptions to the way they operated
692
00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:48.880
financially with Jeremiah, and their backing of that was when
693
00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:51.880
he walks into the building, they'll all understand, and if
694
00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:53.880
they had an issue before, they will no longer have
695
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:57.000
an issue because he'll outwork them, he'll outlift them.
696
00:36:57.480 --> 00:36:58.920
And like everything.
697
00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:01.840
We've heard about David Gabriel Joor is from that angle,
698
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:03.679
he's a clone of Jeremiah.
699
00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:07.599
I mean his numbers bear that out alone, his gym numbers, Like, Yeah, this.
700
00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:11.679
Dude's working his butt off, like you can tell by
701
00:37:11.719 --> 00:37:14.199
his six hundred pounds squat and four hundred pound bench
702
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:17.239
press at seventeen years old. He's gonna come in and
703
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:21.400
be just like Jeremiah. From that perspective, He's going to
704
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:23.920
be an ironbuck eye, gonna do all that stuff, and
705
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:28.360
everybody's gonna understand in the backfield and in every position group. Okay,
706
00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:31.599
we got another one, right, Yeah, we're not gonna question
707
00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:34.239
what he's making or worry about what you know, what
708
00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:36.360
his pockets are, like, that's not what it's gonna be
709
00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:36.800
for him.
710
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:39.159
And they know that. And we've heard, you.
711
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:41.239
Know, cause there's a lot of people that still are
712
00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:44.280
of the ilk that they don't want to hear. You know,
713
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:46.840
a freshman making a whole lot of money and it's
714
00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:50.920
just like they always put the caveat here except for Jeremiah, Well,
715
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:55.320
the way Ohio States treated him is like another Jeremiah,
716
00:37:55.639 --> 00:37:58.400
So for him, I think that argument is kind of
717
00:37:58.400 --> 00:37:59.079
out the window.
718
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:04.440
Yeah, and they may have done something similar with Chris
719
00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:07.719
with Chris Henry as well. Where you are now in
720
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:09.639
a battle and so you've got to go win it
721
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:12.760
or you better be happy with the class that you've got.
722
00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:19.559
And and if they can, they can find somebody. If
723
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:22.679
they don't get DGG, but if they do get them,
724
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:26.039
there's going to be some celebrating and some celebrating and
725
00:38:26.079 --> 00:38:30.039
some appreciation for Like Locke is going to be like,
726
00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:32.480
thank you people for allowing me to go and thank
727
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:36.199
you for finishing this, like and getting it across the
728
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:41.239
goal line. I the recruiting got them inside the five,
729
00:38:41.320 --> 00:38:43.599
but it's always going to be that extra push from
730
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:48.039
you know, your You're like the the the opposing defensive
731
00:38:48.039 --> 00:38:51.599
line is Tennessee's n I L, and you've got the
732
00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:53.679
High State offensive line is the n I L. And
733
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:56.880
it's just like, all right, we'll see. And while they
734
00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:00.400
will tell you that that's not really the folk because
735
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:04.800
of DGG or his family, it's still something that you
736
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:08.360
have to consider. And if you don't then I guess
737
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:11.320
maybe you're not paying attention, but they are, and he's
738
00:39:11.360 --> 00:39:16.519
gonna be just find wherever he ends up. The uh,
739
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:20.840
quick question for you, Because I know Manshun sales five
740
00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:23.880
star wide receiver, everybody loves him. I don't see it
741
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:25.960
happening for Ohio State. I don't think they're gonna be
742
00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:28.800
able to to make that happen. And I have no
743
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:33.480
inside information. I'm just saying I don't expect another five
744
00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:35.840
star wide receiver in this class.
745
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:39.239
They're not even on the they're not even on the
746
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:42.199
playing board for him. No, it's not even in the
747
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:45.199
It's not even a thought, not even a thought in
748
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:47.920
my mind that that's happening now. And I feel the
749
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:49.920
same way about Benny Easter, to be quite honest, I
750
00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:52.280
know there's a lot of people who have tried to
751
00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:55.119
put some movement with the Benny Easter thing. I don't
752
00:39:55.159 --> 00:39:57.760
really never saw it happening, and I see it, you know,
753
00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:00.440
looking less and less likely though the fact that he
754
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:03.000
went to Old Miss. A lot of the people who
755
00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:04.960
were trying to sell Benny Easter to Ohio State are
756
00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:07.559
now saying, well, look, he just went and visited Old Miss,
757
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:10.880
So it shows that he's not happy with Texas Tech still,
758
00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:13.440
And to me it looks exactly the same as it
759
00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:18.679
looked before that they're not maybe not intentionally, but they're
760
00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:20.840
going to get a bigger offer out of Texas Tech
761
00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:22.840
and they're gonna smile and say guns up.
762
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:24.119
And that's the way this is going to end.
763
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:30.280
Yeah, And when you know, you see Ohio State competing.
764
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:32.119
By the way, just what, I don't think he's that good.
765
00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:34.280
I don't Benny Easter. I don't think is that good anyway.
766
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:35.920
So I'm not too concerned about that one.
767
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:41.000
When it's Ohio State competing against a program like ole
768
00:40:41.079 --> 00:40:44.280
Miss or programs like that, people get upset that Ohio
769
00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:46.239
State could be outbid by them. And I try to
770
00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:51.280
remind people that they don't have the roster overall roster
771
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:54.800
costs that Ohio State does. They can they can pay
772
00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:58.559
a little bit more for this particular guy because forty
773
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:02.159
percent of their guys are making state minimum. You know,
774
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:04.719
that sort of thing where it's just like they don't
775
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:06.400
have the overall talent level. And when you have the
776
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:08.079
overall talent level, that means you have to have the
777
00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:12.840
overall you know, you're paying for them as well. And
778
00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:15.639
You've got more dips at a place like like Ole
779
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:20.119
Miss than in other schools than you do at Ohio State,
780
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:23.480
where you've got so many top tier guys and backups
781
00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:26.840
who other schools are trying to lure. I don't know
782
00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:30.679
how many backups at Texas Tech or Ole Miss are
783
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:33.480
being offered starter money at other schools.
784
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:38.679
Definitely, the retention costs at Ohio State a ton higher.
785
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:41.679
You know, you can look at these, you know, a
786
00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:44.599
recruitment here, a recruitment there, and try to get yourself
787
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:46.280
all been out of shape, and I have done it
788
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:48.599
a lot of times. But when we look in totality,
789
00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:52.360
there's a couple of rosters that stand above the rest
790
00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:54.639
in college football, and the Buck guys are right there.
791
00:41:54.679 --> 00:41:58.639
So it's working. It's working. We're now several years into
792
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:02.280
it and it's working. So there's no one or two
793
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:05.719
individual things that are going to get me all worked up,
794
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:10.400
particularly a guy who's if you commit to Texas Tech
795
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:12.440
out of high school, right, if that's your first pick,
796
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:16.360
then your priorities are a little different than guys that
797
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:18.800
generally commit to Ohio State. So like right off the
798
00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:20.719
rip there, it doesn't feel like it jives to me.
799
00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:25.719
I often wonder if Micah Hudson had gone somewhere other
800
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:27.960
than Texas Tech, if things would have been better for him,
801
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:30.159
or if it's just not going to it never would
802
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:32.800
have worked out for him, because he was a guy
803
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:34.960
that I really liked as a recruit. Reminded me of
804
00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:37.960
Garrett Wilson. And then you go to Texas Tech and
805
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:43.079
you essentially disappear. But so you've said this is working
806
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:46.679
out for Ohio State. Now will it work out in
807
00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:49.159
the future, And that's where we want to move now
808
00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:52.119
with the recruiting talk, because it's interesting Ohio State got
809
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:54.920
a commitment from a twenty twenty nine wide receiver, not
810
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:58.239
just a twenty twenty nine receiver, maybe the twenty twenty
811
00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:02.119
nine receiver in Austin Miller, And I was thinking, if
812
00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:04.320
you're willing to accept a commitment from a twenty twenty
813
00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:08.400
nine kid, and other twenty twenty nine kids want to
814
00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:10.760
start committing and you tell them, well, we're not ready
815
00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:15.480
for you, like, there can be some backlash too that
816
00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:17.880
if you've got other kids that want to be a
817
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:21.119
part of the class and Ohio States says, well, we're
818
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:24.880
not quite ready, and through no fault of Ohio States
819
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:28.119
own other than the fact that they've they've opened the door,
820
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:31.880
but now they're like, hold on, just be careful. So
821
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:34.199
I think one that tells you how much they're like
822
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:37.960
Austin Miller. Two, they've got a good way of saying
823
00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:41.079
you'll get yours will be you know, like if you
824
00:43:41.079 --> 00:43:43.480
want to commit right now, that's that's fine, but you know,
825
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:45.840
we need some time. We need to see we need
826
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:51.679
to see your sophomore tape, like we need more patience.
827
00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:53.719
I guess in the game for some I guess is
828
00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:55.079
probably what Ohio State is saying.
829
00:43:56.840 --> 00:43:58.960
It is wild when we look back to back years.
830
00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:01.559
They took a kid just his freshman year with Elijah
831
00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:06.079
Newman Hall and now Austin Miller. But boy, you got
832
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:09.840
to be something special. I'm telling that kid, come here, son,
833
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:12.639
I want to show you Austin Miller's tape right here.
834
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:14.920
That's basically what I think i'd say.
835
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:18.280
But really, this is the dilemma that Ohio State's been
836
00:44:18.280 --> 00:44:21.199
talking about for a while now with quarterback when you
837
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:24.519
know you need to have the pull the trigger after
838
00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:26.679
their sophomore year of film and kind of how they're
839
00:44:26.719 --> 00:44:30.079
in this Brady situation where they've kind of changed what
840
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:33.480
they're looking for out of a quarterback, and you know,
841
00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:36.960
you signed him up as the guy two years before
842
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:39.719
he was ever going to be on campus, and they
843
00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:43.280
want to push that to the normal time frame. And
844
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:47.639
I actually think as I'm looking forward that we're starting
845
00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:50.360
to see a lot of schools try to hold off longer.
846
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:54.360
When I look at this next class, the amount of
847
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:57.599
quarterbacks that are committed at this point far fewer than
848
00:44:57.639 --> 00:44:58.440
the previous year.
849
00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:00.760
It's almost like maybe they're.
850
00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:02.760
Colluding to try and say, let's all push this back
851
00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:05.119
a little bit because they all want more time. You know,
852
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:07.760
this all started because they were trying to beat each
853
00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:10.320
other earlier and earlier to get the guy. Now they're
854
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:12.119
trying to have a truce and kind of push it back.
855
00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:15.800
Maybe just a theory, but it's definitely noticeable that there
856
00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:17.480
are far fewer committed so early.
857
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:20.719
You know, I had a high school player asked me
858
00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:25.039
recently as a player ever committed to Ohio State before
859
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:28.639
his freshman year, and I don't remember any I know,
860
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:31.400
Danny Clark. I think it was after his freshman year,
861
00:45:31.400 --> 00:45:33.880
and again that did not go well. A lot of
862
00:45:33.920 --> 00:45:37.760
these early early commitments it's just sometimes it's too early.
863
00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:39.199
You don't know what a player is going to do.
864
00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:40.280
You don't know how they're going to grow. Now if
865
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:43.079
they're six to five, you know, like you know that
866
00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:45.639
the size is going to be there. But I remember
867
00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:52.400
Tate Martel committed to Washington as an eighth grader, and
868
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:55.840
I don't know that he grew another inch from that commitment.
869
00:45:56.039 --> 00:45:59.719
And I think and of course he switched. He flipped
870
00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:01.800
to the c A and M then eventually signed with
871
00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:06.000
Ohio State. But coaches don't want to be getting into
872
00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:11.800
the habit of offering or just accepting commitments. Still offer,
873
00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:13.559
you know, they'll offer what they need to offer, but
874
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:18.679
accepting commitments, it's you've got to be really sure, especially
875
00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:24.119
now when you're looking at a place where some of
876
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:28.639
these guys are gonna want something for committing or you know, yeah,
877
00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:31.199
like there's that. I wonder if one of the reasons
878
00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:34.519
the quarterbacks aren't committing as quickly as possible is because
879
00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:37.519
they know they can get money for visits. Like there's
880
00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:40.679
this whole now, the different kind of revenue stream going on.
881
00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:41.760
The secondary market.
882
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:45.159
Yeah, it's like, yeah, for sure, you can play in
883
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:46.159
a lot of different ways.
884
00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:46.400
Man.
885
00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:48.920
Yeah, it's committing early, That's what I'm saying when we're
886
00:46:48.920 --> 00:46:51.119
talking about Austin Miller, like committing early, Like this is
887
00:46:51.159 --> 00:46:53.480
not the way to make the most money, that's for sure,
888
00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:56.880
which is why I'm impressed by him, and I'm impressed
889
00:46:56.880 --> 00:46:58.440
by his family. And I don't know if everybody saw
890
00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:01.119
it today, but he put out a statement on Twitter
891
00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:05.159
thanking Buckeye Nation for the welcome and I encourage you
892
00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:07.679
all to go look it up and listen to this
893
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:10.599
fifteen year old speak because he sounds as mature as
894
00:47:10.599 --> 00:47:13.079
he looks on the football field, which is another promising
895
00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:14.760
sign that this ends up sticking.
896
00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:17.599
And including we don't know if he doesn't reclassify and
897
00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:22.719
he isn't in next year's class. I usually am anti reclassing,
898
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:24.719
but this dude, Yeah whatever.
899
00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:28.239
Now, Yeah, of course Tony thought his dad, his dad
900
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:30.320
might selfishly want him to stay on the high school team.
901
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:35.639
Well that's the other thing. That's that's a good point.
902
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:40.000
He's gonna just thinking, like start sabotaging some transcripts or
903
00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:43.880
something like that so that you can't like, no, you
904
00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:47.559
didn't graduate earlier. You know, you missed a you missed
905
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:50.480
an English class something like that to where it's it's
906
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:52.679
not bad for the high school, but it's just not
907
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:56.039
good enough for college. You know, a lot of parents
908
00:47:56.039 --> 00:47:58.079
would do that to keep their kids around him a
909
00:47:58.119 --> 00:48:03.039
little bit longer. The five for five thing that has
910
00:48:03.079 --> 00:48:05.679
been approved. I'm interested to see what that does down
911
00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:09.159
the road. In terms of recruiting, we were talking a
912
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:13.880
little bit before the show, and this, this to me,
913
00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:17.880
is only good for a few positions, the offensive line,
914
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:22.239
defensive line, tight end, and then maybe in the transfer
915
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:25.800
portal getting an extra year out of somebody where like
916
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:28.920
somebody's transferring as a senior or whatever, you'll get them
917
00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:30.920
and then you'll get them for another year after that.
918
00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:36.719
Like for Ohio State, this is almost more beneficial in
919
00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:39.960
terms of the portal because players can develop longer somewhere
920
00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:42.559
else and then when they're ready to hit, then they
921
00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:44.800
can play their fifth year at Ohio State or fourth
922
00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:49.679
or fifth year at Ohio State. But you know, for
923
00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:53.079
the skill positions, it's it's a tough ask to have
924
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:58.880
a fifth year wide receiver that if you've already gotten
925
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:00.440
something out of them in the third and fourth year
926
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:03.559
and you know what they are, you've got to decide
927
00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:05.280
if you want to keep them around for a fifth year,
928
00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:08.000
and a lot of schools are gonna be like you
929
00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:11.239
can probably go on and we'll go with the next
930
00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:12.039
wave coming in.
931
00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:17.400
Yeah, I think, like you said, like the positions where
932
00:49:18.159 --> 00:49:21.519
we see a ton of guys who are already end
933
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:24.719
up fifth year guys, right, the positions that we assume
934
00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:29.519
red shirts for already those guys, it's gonna be pretty
935
00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:32.360
much the same thing. The offensive and defensive lineman. We'll
936
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:35.599
see plenty of you know them taking advantage of.
937
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:36.320
The five for five.
938
00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:42.480
But there's also the situation with the skill players where look,
939
00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:45.719
coaches jobs are on the line, they are going to
940
00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:49.719
gravitate towards what is safe and what they can trust
941
00:49:49.800 --> 00:49:52.480
in most cases, And if you look at a guy
942
00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:55.760
who's been a wide receiver for you, and he's started
943
00:49:55.800 --> 00:49:58.360
a year and a half for you, and he's coming
944
00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:01.039
back for his fifth year, and he's got a pretty
945
00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:04.320
high floor, but he's got a pretty low ceiling, but
946
00:50:04.360 --> 00:50:07.000
you're comfortable and you can trust him. And then you
947
00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:10.000
got a guy who's talented below him, and that guy
948
00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:12.199
ends up in a lot of cases in this situation,
949
00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:14.280
I think maybe sitting on the bench an extra year
950
00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:18.079
or leaving because the coach wanted to go with the
951
00:50:18.119 --> 00:50:21.519
safe option or the loyal option to continue to play
952
00:50:21.519 --> 00:50:24.800
that guy. And that's a situation you don't want to
953
00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:27.440
be in at all. And you know, I mean you
954
00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:29.480
could look on this roster and maybe point to a
955
00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:32.800
few instances of that, but there are places where.
956
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It would help maybe a whole lot.
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Like you know, you look at guys like Leroy Roker,
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a guy like that potentially getting a fifth year, or
959
00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:42.519
maybe even a Terry Moore who it's maybe if it
960
00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:45.000
doesn't catch on as well as he expected this year
961
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and he gets Dow an extra year with her a
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00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:52.119
little gone. So certainly some advantageous spots, and definitely it's
963
00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:55.880
going to create some situations where you might want to
964
00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:58.159
tell a guy like a Brandon in as sorry man,
965
00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:01.519
like it's been real. But you know, year number five,
966
00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:04.639
we're looking for a little more juice in this position.
967
00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:08.920
If you're okay taking a back seat roll or being
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00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:11.719
part of the depth and being a leader, that'd be great.
969
00:51:11.800 --> 00:51:14.079
But you know, ninety percent of the snap load at
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00:51:14.159 --> 00:51:17.719
slot receiver is gonna be going to Phil Bell and
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brock Boyd this year.
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Like you know what, I mean, when you've got the
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00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:26.119
high floor and the low ceiling, it creates tight windows
974
00:51:26.360 --> 00:51:31.800
and the tight windows to throw into and literally figuratively,
975
00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:34.760
and so you, yeah, deal with that. I was talking
976
00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:37.239
with an NFL scout and he was texting me and
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00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:40.559
he's like, I don't like this at all because for them,
978
00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:43.239
they're they're gonna be scouting players that they don't know
979
00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:45.000
if they're going to be in the draft. They're gonna
980
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:49.239
be scouting seniors that, yeah, say you're a fourth round pick,
981
00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:52.480
you know, like like a kJ Hill or something like that,
982
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:54.440
where I think he was a seventh round pick. But
983
00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:57.119
if you're in that four to seventh range and you're
984
00:51:57.159 --> 00:52:00.119
a very good college player, it might be worth it
985
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:02.679
to bring that guy back and pay him the same
986
00:52:02.840 --> 00:52:04.599
or more than what he'd be getting as a fifth
987
00:52:04.679 --> 00:52:07.519
or sixth round pick. And so now you've got all
988
00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:10.800
these scouts. You're going to be scouting these players, wasting
989
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:14.599
their time. And these guys are already grumpy, they're they're
990
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:17.360
every single day in their lives, and so now they're
991
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:19.880
scouting players that won't even be part of it, and
992
00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:23.239
they won't even look at freshmen or sophomores, right, now,
993
00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:26.599
because they're going to be so overloaded with junior seniors
994
00:52:26.599 --> 00:52:31.400
and fifth year seniors that I think there will be
995
00:52:31.400 --> 00:52:33.199
players where it's going to be worth it to Ohio
996
00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:36.400
State or others to be like we'll bring him back.
997
00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:38.679
And that's something you've got to also keep in mind
998
00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:43.199
with recruiting, like if if you miss out on a receiver,
999
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:46.760
then that incentivizes you to maybe like we better bring
1000
00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:48.280
you know, do we want to bring the guy that
1001
00:52:48.320 --> 00:52:50.639
we know back? Do we want to go into the portal?
1002
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:53.519
So this is all tied together. It's not one or
1003
00:52:53.599 --> 00:52:56.039
the other. It's not this, this, this, It's all part
1004
00:52:56.119 --> 00:52:58.360
of the same circulatory system.
1005
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:03.000
Yeah, and it honestly makes it so much more fun
1006
00:53:03.039 --> 00:53:08.400
to talk about the breaking up college football roster construction
1007
00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:11.000
down now. I think it's probably my favorite part of
1008
00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:14.239
the offseason is how they're putting together these teams. I
1009
00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:17.079
wish we had the financial figures to kind of have
1010
00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:19.239
the final piece to the puzzle so we knew what
1011
00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:21.119
we were working with and could really get into it
1012
00:53:21.159 --> 00:53:24.199
even more. But it's made it so much more interesting.
1013
00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:28.000
It's also made it if you're good, if you're savvy,
1014
00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:31.239
you can really get an upper hand and I think
1015
00:53:31.239 --> 00:53:35.039
Ohio State has done better than most almost everyone on
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00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:38.320
their level when it comes to handling it and all
1017
00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:39.480
these different aspects.
1018
00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:41.960
They're just killing it to the roster's fantastic.
1019
00:53:43.039 --> 00:53:46.360
There's been a few maybe errors or things that you know,
1020
00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:49.400
the fan base in general is irritated by here or there,
1021
00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:53.199
and you'll always have those who will complain about everything
1022
00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:56.519
and magnify the losses more than they are. But the
1023
00:53:56.639 --> 00:53:59.199
rosters loaded this year, as we loaded next year again,
1024
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:01.800
I'm feeling really nice.
1025
00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:07.000
I do wonder if with the five for five, not
1026
00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:09.119
all coaches want this. I wonder how head coaches feel
1027
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:11.519
about it, because it is going to create some very
1028
00:54:11.559 --> 00:54:14.039
uncomfortable situations, but you know that's what all the money's for.
1029
00:54:14.599 --> 00:54:19.239
Where you do want this recruit to play. You really
1030
00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:20.800
don't want to tell the senior he's got to go.
1031
00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:23.679
But I mean they have those conversations with seniors that
1032
00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:26.320
don't play where it's time for you to go. So
1033
00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:30.320
these aren't unfamiliar conversations. It just means they're going to
1034
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:36.079
have more decisions to make. And it's as we've talked
1035
00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:39.000
about in other shows. Ryan Day since he has taken over,
1036
00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:43.400
has never had one season where the rules or the
1037
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:46.559
world is the same the next year, and so it's
1038
00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:52.239
like there's always something changing. And I guess that's a
1039
00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:54.920
good thing in terms of having him because all he's
1040
00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:57.519
ever known is chaos, So he's not one of these
1041
00:54:57.519 --> 00:55:00.320
guys set in his ways, so he's able to just
1042
00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:02.519
ride the waves and this is just the next thing,
1043
00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:05.360
and it is what it is. And as he always says,
1044
00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:06.960
we're not the only team that has to do it
1045
00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:09.719
deal with it. So that's something that as long as
1046
00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:12.280
everybody else has the same problem, will figure out how
1047
00:55:12.280 --> 00:55:14.840
to get through it. And I think that's that's good leadership.
1048
00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:19.639
Yeah, I agree. I think he's fantastic throughout this period
1049
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:25.000
of just absolute chaos from year to year, pivoting and
1050
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:29.000
the organization, you know, everybody from Pantoni and all through
1051
00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:31.960
has done just a great job. Then keeping the main
1052
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:33.800
thing the main thing once they get in the building,
1053
00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:36.480
and keeping that all status quo and not letting all
1054
00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:40.480
the stress and pressure of everything else kind of bleed in.
1055
00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:43.800
The team always feels like it's got a great connection
1056
00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:47.320
and definitely great chemistry, so they do a great job
1057
00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:47.960
on all fronts.
1058
00:55:48.480 --> 00:55:49.920
This is the last thing I want to ask you,
1059
00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:52.920
in terms of the future of recruiting and NIL being
1060
00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:57.920
what it is. Do you think development is less important
1061
00:55:57.960 --> 00:56:00.480
than it's ever been because you can pay for players,
1062
00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:03.360
or is it more important than it's ever been because
1063
00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:04.599
you can't pay for every player?
1064
00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:09.960
I think probably as a whole it's less important, But
1065
00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:11.719
if you're good at it, you can get a much
1066
00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:15.280
bigger advantage on everybody else, like Indiana for instance.
1067
00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:19.039
You boy, the proof is in putting right there. If
1068
00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:21.480
you can get the most any players, develop them, have
1069
00:56:21.559 --> 00:56:25.920
great coaches, great coordinator, coordinators, just really smart players that
1070
00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:29.159
have talent, you can go a long way anything else.
1071
00:56:29.239 --> 00:56:32.800
Before we go, we've covered a wide rate of time.
1072
00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:35.559
We've covered a w oh Blake Wong, maybe one more
1073
00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:40.039
Blake Wong. As we record this show here Tuesday night,
1074
00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:43.239
we'll drop it probably Wednesday morning, and we've got the
1075
00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:48.920
Blake Wong decision coming Saturday, and Blake Wong is you know,
1076
00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:51.519
going to be down to just probably Ohio State and
1077
00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:54.920
BYU come Saturday. In my estimation, I talked to Blake
1078
00:56:55.559 --> 00:56:58.840
and the allure of Ohio State and everything and the
1079
00:56:58.880 --> 00:57:00.400
reason that he wanted to go to High State in
1080
00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:02.679
the first place a year ago, and why he was
1081
00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:05.159
very public, a very public lean to Ohio State is
1082
00:57:05.159 --> 00:57:10.239
all still there. Of course, he is LDS and that
1083
00:57:10.320 --> 00:57:14.400
all ties in at BYU, and he believes in himself
1084
00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:17.079
and that he can, you know, be a star wide
1085
00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:21.599
receiver wherever he goes. But there is this feels to
1086
00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:24.440
me like this decision has not been made and it's
1087
00:57:24.519 --> 00:57:26.880
up in the air. And this is the first one
1088
00:57:26.920 --> 00:57:30.719
we're gonna see really where Cortez Hankton is like he
1089
00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:33.400
can win this. I think I really believe he can
1090
00:57:33.440 --> 00:57:36.960
win this or he cannot. And I'm really looking forward
1091
00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:38.760
to how this one shakes out. Not just that, but
1092
00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:41.760
I love Blake Wong as a prospect, so I'm really
1093
00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:44.679
looking forward to that. On Saturday, We'll be live over
1094
00:57:44.679 --> 00:57:47.280
at Chuck on Bucks for that at five pm on Saturday.
1095
00:57:47.599 --> 00:57:50.320
Yeah, so check that out. And of course, if you're
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