ÜBER DIESE EPISODE
Glenn Krieger’s career has been defined by relationships.
His wife, whose unflinching support and partnership encouraged him to return to orthodontic school at age 44.
His cousin, whose background in private equity offered him confidence in the financial strength and bright future of the Smile Doctors organization prior to affiliation.
His partner, Dr. Doug Shaw, with whom he shared finances for many years as they built something spectacular together.
On this episode, take a peek into the professional relationship of two orthodontic giants, Dr. Scott Law and Dr. Glenn Krieger, as they discuss growth mentalities and excitement for the future.
You may know Glenn from hosting The Orthopreneurs Podcast, but now he’s on the Smile Doctors Off Mute mic and trust us — you don’t wanna miss it.
HIGHLIGHTS:
- Meet Dr. Krieger (00:01:26)
- The Path to Orthodontics (00:05:18)
- Moving to a New Chapter (00:10:37)
- Partnership Dynamics (00:14:18)
- Growth of Practices (00:17:17)
- Joining Smile Doctors (00:19:34)
- Health Transformation Journey (00:22:39)
- Get Your Free Beef ;) (00:27:01)
- Elevating Health and Fitness (00:40:33)
- Celebrating Transformation Success (00:51:27)
- Inspiring Each Other (00:53:07)
MORE INFO:
Smile Doctors opportunities: https://smiledoctorspartners.com/
Email Dr. Scott Law: scott.law@smiledoctors.com
Call Dr. Glenn Krieger: 469-610-9920
Krieger Orthodontics: https://kriegerorthodontics.com/
Shaw Orthodontics: https://shawsmiles.com/
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NOTIZEN ANZEIGEN 🔗
TRANSKRIPT 🔗
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I can't imagine that.
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I think heads are going to explode on the
other side of screens around the country.
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I woke her up in the middle of the
night and said, honey, I had an idea.
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I'd like to go back as an orthodontist.
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It's what I've always wanted to do.
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And she said, can we afford it?
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I said, no, we haven't saved for it.
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She said, okay, go for it.
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Don't ever get into a
partnership because of money.
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Don't get into a partnership
because of convenience.
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Don't get into a partnership because
they have pedo and you have ortho
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and you're gonna corner the market.
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But the only reason you ever partner
with another human being is because
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you can't imagine living without
them in your life professionally.
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I'm Dr. Scott Law and
I wanna thank you for tuning into
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the Smile Doctors Off Mute podcast.
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Truly and sincerely, thank
you for being on the show.
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So this is gonna be great.
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I'm, I'm hoping for people to get
to, to hear from you as the
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guest instead of the interviewer.
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You're so well documented, Glenn,
all throughout with, yeah.
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You know, your podcast, to Orthopreneurs.
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Your, your very loud voice has a big
microphone across orthodontics and the,
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and the dentist ... and dentistry at large.
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So think this is a unique treat.
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Turn the tables a little bit and have
you in the hot seat, so it'll be good.
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I'm looking
forward to it, my man.
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Very cool.
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Let's see.
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So, here, here's a
question we might begin with.
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Well, who, if you could have dinner
with anybody, anybody in history, who
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would you wanna sit down with and,
and talk to and have dinner with?
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If I
could sit down and talk and
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have dinner with anybody Yeah.
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In history.
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Yeah.
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It'd be kind of fun to
enjoy a nice dinner with Moses.
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Hey, I think that would be,
that'd be kinda like a fun one.
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Um, just if nothing more than
to see what he looks like.
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Right.
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Right.
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Like, we have all these,
we all have all these historical figures
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that play such a huge role in our lives.
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And, we have, you know,
drawings of what they look like.
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We have, you know, these caricatures,
but, you know, just like.
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I, I, I was once told, you know,
growing up Jewish, I was once told.
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That if the average Jewish person today
who comes from Poland, Russian, German
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descent, what have you, were to see what
their original forefathers looked like,
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you might be a little shocked to realize
that they probably look like somebody
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who comes from Saudi Arabia or Iran or
Iraq or you know, a Middle Easterner.
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So it'd be kind of fun if I
could communicate with him, you know.
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Have a nice meal with Moses,
find out what it was really
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like to get the 10 commandments.
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You know, you know, what did the
burning bush really look like?
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Right.
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You know?
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Right.
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Can you imagine that conversation?
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Yeah, I, I totally agree.
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I think that would be that'd
be anyone in history like that
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has stories to tell and has,
an air about them, you know, and
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that, that'd be, that'd be awesome.
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I don't even know that I
would be eating any food.
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I would be just enthralled with it.
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Hearing.
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Hearing.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I, I'd really
keep really careful about being Kosher.
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I mean, I'd make sure that I
was eating really, really well.
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Make sure I was following
the written word that day.
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Yeah, that makes sense.
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That's awesome.
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Very cool.
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Let's see, I got another one for you.
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Sure.
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Um, who has been the biggest
influence in your life?
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I, I don't think
in most lives there's anybody
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more influential than mom and dad.
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Right.
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I think for most of us growing up,
uh, they're the two biggest drivers.
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If we're, if we're blessed and lucky
enough to have a mom and a dad in
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our lives growing up, which I know
not everybody is, but for those
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of us who did, it's hard for me to,
to look at anybody other than my mom
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and my dad, two very different influences.
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Right?
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My dad was a dentist,
you know, retired.
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Still around, thankfully.
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Um.
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So I got to see the world through his
eyes as a provider, you know, rather
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than the whole, you know, I wanna help
people and work with my hands and all
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that stuff that people say, I got to watch
my father literally have relationships
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with patients for 20, 30, 40 years.
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Right.
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And, and I mean.
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The woman who worked his front desk,
I've talked about her on my podcast.
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Carol Lagugliarro did.
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She was there at my bar mitzvah.
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She was there at my wedding.
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You know, she was
there when I had kids.
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I still communicate with her
45 years after I first met her.
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And so, I mean, that part
I learned from my dad.
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The relationships matter and, and,
you know, keeping those relationships.
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And from my mom's side, it
didn't even occur to me until
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probably just a few years ago.
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That one of the biggest influences she
had on my life was that, you know, it's
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well documented that I went back to
school as an ortho at age 44, right?
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I'd practiced for 20
years and then went back.
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It didn't even occur to me, Scott,
until I. Literally a few years ago
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that when I was about 10 years old, my
mother went back to law school when I
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was a kid and she was in her thirties.
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School teacher, raised kids for a while
and then decided to go back to law school.
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So like when I was home sick, mom was
at school and I, I took care of myself
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if I was home from school or if she
had to come pick me up or something.
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So, I, it didn't occur to me
until recently that, you know, she
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probably gave me the mental okay in my
brain to say, you know, going back to
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school when you got kids, no big deal.
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Like, you know, it's just part of life.
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And so I think they've both influenced
me in very good, but different ways.
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Right.
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So I hope that answers it.
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Okay.
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Beautiful.
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No, that's, that's incredible.
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Yeah, I think that's a
very, very truthful answer.
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Our parents do imprint the soul and
imprint so much on it, so that is awesome.
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Yeah.
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It sounds like you have
two amazing parents.
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That's fantastic.
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I do.
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Yeah.
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If they knew how to use a, if
they knew how to listen to a
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podcast, they give a shout out.
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Maybe you could send them a, send 'em a
link or a text that that's a one click.
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Who knows?
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I know.
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I'll record it on a VCR
tape and send it to him.
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I, i'm default IT help for,
for my parents sometimes, but I think I,
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We all are.
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More and
more, it's a challenge.
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So I think my mom's pretty savvy.
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She's, she's learned, figured it out.
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Good.
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Good for her.
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My dad's.
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Did you ever
just, I just to ask you, did
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you have, did, were you blessed
enough to know your grandparents?
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Oh yes.
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Yeah.
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It wasn't until recently that I just ...
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Let's see, my grandmother died at 102
and um, my grandpa is still alive.
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He's ninety six, and then I have
another, yeah, my grandma just
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recently passed, about six
months ago at about the same age.
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So yeah, we've had, yeah.
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Quite, quite a lot of
influence they had on me.
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So, so you
grew up getting to watch your
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grandparents big television. Yeah.
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Get covered with a tablecloth we
had and have the new TV put on.
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Yeah.
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Put on top of the old television.
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Like you remember those days back in
the day it was, there was like a plant.
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Yeah.
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And uh, like a tablecloth on
top of the old TV that had the
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new TV sitting on top of it.
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Yep.
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That's it.
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My grandpa loves, uh, woodworking.
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So the whole house is done in, in.
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White oak with the same can of varnish.
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It feels like everything
is, is honey oak. The entire ...
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Oh yeah.
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There's a lot stuff.
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God help you.
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If a flame ever catches any
piece of wood in that house.
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Exactly.
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That's it.
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That's it.
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But yeah, strong influences for me, so
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Nice.
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What I've most admired
about you, Glenn, is throughout your
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career and your life, the more I get
to know you is that you, you look
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forward and you anticipate kind of
where things are going and carve your
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own path with what's going on and
within the environment, whether that's
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dentistry,
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certainly it's, it's you, um, forming
incredible relationships along the way.
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But dentistry in DSO world, OSO world,
also in health as of as of late. I've
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really seen some changes in, in, in
you and your body and your strength
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and your juujitsu and all that stuff.
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I would love to hear about
you from that perspective.
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Uh.
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What caused you, I know, I know,
perhaps some of our listeners have heard
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this, but what caused you to switch
up 20 years of a extremely successful
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dental career to then go to ortho, to
have the, to have the gumption and the
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support of your wife and all of that
to go to ortho, tell us that story.
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Yeah.
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You know, it's funny because,
everybody looks at the story as an,
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from an outside perspective looking
in, Wow, Glenn, it was so brave of you.
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Oh my gosh.
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I would never have had the courage.
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I, but it really wasn't quite like that.
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Yeah, my mom,
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as I just said, certainly
paved the way for me.
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You know, a mom of two kids,
you know going out with MS.
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Mind you, she didn't know
she had MS at the time.
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She couldn't understand her symptoms.
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Going back to school with two kids, I
mean it, that's bravery right there.
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It,
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but it was 2010 ish.
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We had moved from Seattle,
from New York to Seattle.
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When we got married in 96, we moved
to Seattle and I had family there.
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We loved it there.
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It was beautiful.
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It was a great place to start a practice.
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But after about 14, 15, 16 years
of practicing in, in Seattle, you
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know, if you're not from there.
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You know, you can appreciate it is, in
my opinion, the most beautiful place
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in the continental United States.
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And there's many beautiful places.
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But Seattle on a sunny day is,
in my opinion, the most beautiful
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spot in the, the lower 48.
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And, the problem is the other
11 months and 29 days, it's
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not, it's not, I mean, it's not
quite so bad, but from, from.
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mid-October through, you know, mid-April
or no later than that, probably May.
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It wouldn't be unusual for you
to have two or three straight
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weeks of cloudiness and rain.
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I mean, legitimately three, four or
five weeks of straight through rain.
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Not heavy, just gray all the time.
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And for a lot of my patients who I was
treating as a dentist back then,
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I'd say more than 50% of the childbearing
age women that I was treating were on
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some sort of mo mood altering drug when
I go through their medical history.
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And my wife was no different.
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You know, kids, kids fall asleep,
you know, kids, I. The sun
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rises at 8:00 AM and it sets at
4:00 PM and it's rainy outside.
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And if you're not used to that and
your family is a six hour flight east
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and they're a three hour time zone
east, it can feel isolating, right.
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And, and hard.
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And she supported my dental
journey entirely to build the
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practice and do what I had to do.
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But there came a day where she just looked
at me and said, I can't do this anymore.
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Good.
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And, and you
know, you think we can get outta here?
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And I instantly said, sure.
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Yeah, done.
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My practice is just a thing, right?
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And so at that moment, I, I made
that decision and that was in 2010.
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And, knowing that we had to
relocate, we, we didn't see ourselves
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as North Easterners anymore.
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It wasn't who we were.
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The rat race wasn't for us.
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Good.
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The West Coast
vibe was what we were sort of getting
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away from and being that far away
from family and, and having a Jewish
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community was important to us.
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Did it so there weren't a million places
that were south of the Mason Dixon line
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and sort of east of the Mississippi.
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where, or near the
Mississippi that we could go to.
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And so we kind of narrowed it down and,
we were thinking we'd go to Austin,
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Texas, and then about two weeks after,
we, she asked me if we could move.
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I woke her up in the middle of the
night and said, honey, I had an idea.
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I'd like to go back as an orthodontist.
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That's what I've always wanted to do.
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And she said, can we afford it?
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I said, no, we haven't saved for it.
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She said, okay, go for it.
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And so, I, I mean,
literally the decision to leave
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Seattle was like that, and the decision
to allow me to apply was like that.
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And neither one of us gave any pushback.
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It wasn't like a long conversation
over the dinner table.
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We just knew that what the other
one needed, the other one needed.
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And so, I applied to 55
schools got accepted to none.
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Me and Stu Frost always commiserated
about the fact that neither of us
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ever got accepted on our first try.
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Right.
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And,
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And then I reapplied and got him
the second time through and the
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rest is history, so, so to speak.
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That is awesome.
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And you met some
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incredible people there.
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I did.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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With, uh, in your relationship.
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Certainly with, with Doug at that
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time,
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Best partner ever.
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I, one of the greatest
human beings I know.
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Um, you know, my father was burned
in his, in his, my father had a
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couple of partners that really
burned him really, really poorly.
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And he always says to me, you
know, I always wish I had a partner
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partnership like you and Doug have.
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Um.
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Because I think it, it works
because of two of two things.
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Number one, as my friend just
said to me not long ago, he says,
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your partnership works Glenn.
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'cause Doug lets Glenn be Glenn.
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Which is true.
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But I think both of us truly
believe that the other person is
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the better part of the relationship.
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Like I honestly, firmly, without any
question, Doug is way, way better part
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of this partnership than I, than I am.
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And, and Doug would tell you the.
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Opposite that I'm the better
part, but there's no question
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that I'm right in this one.
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He in fact is amazing.
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And, and I think without getting too deep
into it, I think we love one another.
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I think, I think we really love,
love each other like brothers.
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And we respect each other.
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And I, I always tell everybody,
don't ever get into a partnership.
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Because of money.
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Don't get into a partnership
because of convenience.
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Don't get into a partnership because
they have pedo and you have ortho
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and you're gonna corner the market.
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The only reason you should ever partner,
I'm not talking about OSOs or DSOs, which
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is a different conversation, but the only
reason you ever partner with another human
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being is because you can't imagine living
without them in your life professionally.
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And, and again, the day is
gonna come where one of us,
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Doug or I says, you know what?
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I'm hanging it up or I'm walking away.
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And, and we're partners in everything.
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Not just Ortho, but
anything we, we invest in.
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We're 50-50 partners.
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The day that one of us decides
to walk away is gonna be the most
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disheartening day of my life.
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Yes.
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Because, um, unlike a marriage, which
is till death do you part, right.
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A business partnership could
come to an end one day because
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maybe you have enough money and you.
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Just work my investments and travel
the world and spend time with my
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family or serve a mission or, or,
or serve a calling and, for both
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of us that, that, to me, if it ever
occurs, which I hope it doesn't,
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will be the saddest day of my life.
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Well, one of them,
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obviously.
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Yeah.
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So you guys are, you guys are
incredible partners and people and, yeah.
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I've watched you guys interact through
great times through challenging
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times, and it's been, it's been, yeah.
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So it hasn't always been easy
on your journey for sure.
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starting ...
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-. Can I tell
you a quick story about that?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I'd love to hear it.
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Can I, here's
a little inside story that most
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people don't know about us.
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And it's gonna, it's
gonna blow your mind, Scott.
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Yeah.
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And I know what an open-minded
kind of guy you are.
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I can't imagine that.
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I think heads are going to explode on the
other side of screens around the country.
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Um.
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When we first came outta ortho
residency and came to Dallas,
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we had started a practice.
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You did, um, we felt it was in the
best interest that I'd be the one to
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start it because I had experienced
running a practice and Doug didn't.
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And so we found this little
nestled practice in Castle Hills in
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Dallas, and I started working it.
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Um.
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Doug and I, I was working corporate
three to four days a week.
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In addition to the two days a week
I was working the practice and Doug
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was working corporate five days a
week nonstop in a just crazy job.
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In order to support
our vision, our vision.
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Doug would take all of his after tax
money and I would take my after-tax money.
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Remember, I was working two
days a week, maybe three, three
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days a week doing corporate.
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He was doing five.
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We would pool our after-tax money
and then split it down the middle.
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He was giving me after-tax dollars
just so that I could pay my bills.
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So I could support our partnership
by working that practice and
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not be upside down financially.
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And then when the time came
for him to go open our second
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practice, we reversed roles.
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And, but I mean, you just don't
hear partnerships that work like that
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where someone takes after tax dollars
and, and credit his wife Rachel.
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Um.
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For not being the kind of person who
would say, what are you doing this,
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what are you giving money to this guy?
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For sure.
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But ultimately,
long term, you know, again, we
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both believe the other person's the
better half of the relationship.
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And so there's that love
there and how, but, but again,
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nobody, nobody knows that story.
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And how many people do you know
that would actually do that?
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Like when you talk about partnership?
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Yeah, yeah.
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No, no.
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That is
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amazing.
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You guys truly are brothers
like that God, that is.
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Yeah.
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That is awesome.
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It's
what you do for family.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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Wow.
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Wow.
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I know and his wife Rachel.
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Wow.
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I would love to hear her.
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Yeah.
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If she ever, if she doubted or,
or had questions along the way.
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Wow.
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But you know, you guys are all in,
and, and you, you knew that about
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one that's just, that was crazy.
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Beautiful.
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Very nice.
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Yeah.
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Thank you.
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So you guys talk us
through that, that your practice
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journey, so you grew those two practices.
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And then, and then just, just give us,
give us an update to where you are.
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Sure.
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So, we started the first practice.
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We graduated ortho residency in 2014.
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I had a job waiting for me
in South Florida, uh, with a
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guy named John Marketo, a great
doctor outta South Florida.
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Amazing practice right in the
community I was living in.
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And then one day I just looked around the
landscape of South Florida and said, this
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is just not a place for me and my family.
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And I called him up and he was
very gracious and understanding
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and, I called Doug and
said, Doug, I'm going to Texas.
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'Cause he had a job waiting from in
Oklahoma and I said, I'm going to Texas.
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You wanna join me?
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He's like, for real?
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I'm like, for real?
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He goes, what are we gonna do?
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I said, I don't know, but I'm gonna Texas.
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And he said, okay, I'm in.
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And, and so we ended up going, we
ended up buying that practice and,
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and starting in February of 2015 while
he worked corporate and I did mine.
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And then a year later we
started a second practice.
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And then probably about a year
and a half later we acquired a very
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small, like $350,000 a year, uh,
satellite office that we added.
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And so.
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Our, at that point, as you've heard
me right, advocate to tons of people.
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I was visiting a lot of practices.
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I was visiting Fishbein, I was
supposed to go to Amanda Gallagher,
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but the whole 787 Max problem
with the caused me to not go.
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But I was going, Jim Stork.
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I mean, I was traveling the whole
country, going visiting practices,
00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:37.220
Stu Frost, John Graham, I
mean just office after office.
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Um.
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And we kind of developed the idea that we
wanted to model the Fishbein concept.
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Full transparency, uh,
you know, we wanted to get our
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practices over the next six years.
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We had a business manager we hired, we
wanted to build our practices to about
00:18:53.325 --> 00:18:58.425
$15 million over the course of the next
five to six, seven years at the most.
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With the idea of acquiring one practice
a year and building a de novo per
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year to sort of build the footprint.
00:19:04.004 --> 00:19:08.395
We built a, a call center,
a communication center really.
00:19:08.485 --> 00:19:11.755
We built an all internal
lab, uh, digital lab to be
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able to support the offices.
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And it, it was at that point
that we started to really realize
00:19:16.315 --> 00:19:19.495
that without Medicaid in Texas,
you know, it's a lot of work.
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You're gonna work really hard.
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But we knew we'd get there if given
enough time, and at the time, we were
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somewhere in that six and a half to $7
million range, about six and a half years.
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Yeah, about six years outta school,
five and a half years outta school.
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We gotta about six and
a half million dollars.
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And, we knew that we could get
there, but we kind of realized that
00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:40.830
there were two ways to get there.
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You can get there alone or you can
get there, with partnerships.
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Right.
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And, um, do you want me to
tell you the story of how he
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ended up with Smile Doctors?
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Oh
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yeah.
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Tell me that
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one.
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I, because it's, I remember it well, but
I'd love to hear your, from your side.
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Yeah.
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So, um, in February ...
So again, Doug and I knew where
00:19:58.290 --> 00:19:59.669
our trajectory was going to be.
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We knew that we, there was never a doubt
that if we really put our energy and
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efforts into it, we could get there.
00:20:05.639 --> 00:20:09.600
It would just mean a lot of
acquisition and a lot of de novo
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and, we could have gotten
there by ourselves potentially.
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But what I think a lot of people don't
realize, and I'd love your feedback
00:20:17.940 --> 00:20:22.425
on this, Scott, 'cause you've seen
a hundred of practices at this point
00:20:22.425 --> 00:20:24.314
grow through the Smile Doctors network.
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I think when people are like growing to
a million dollars, not that hard, right?
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If you put in decent systems
and you just market, you're
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gonna get to a million bucks.
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Gross annual revenue
without too much trouble.
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And even to get to 2 million
is not really that uncommon or
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that big of a struggle, right?
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It's going to like that two to 4 million.
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All of a sudden now you've gotta
manage your staff in a different way.
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Your team needs to be managed differently.
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You know, the things that
that, that you're doing well,
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you need to do a lot more of.
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Mm-hmm.
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The things
you're not doing well, you need to minimize.
00:20:55.865 --> 00:20:59.405
But even so, getting to $4 million
is a barrier that doesn't seem
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that difficult to break through.
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Yep.
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It's once you go
from say four to six or seven, now
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you're starting to get a little
more serious about your systems.
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You're dialing things in, you're working
on your marketing a whole lot better.
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Maybe even a a, a dedicated
marketing coordinator.
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Um.
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But then to get from that six or seven
where I see so many people I know
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who are between that like four and
a half and $7 million range, which
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is a big practice, I. Then I
started seeing the 10, 10 to twelves.
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Right.
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And once to get to
there, there's a fundamental shift in
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organizational hierarchies in the way
that, um, their economies of scale work.
00:21:38.220 --> 00:21:38.370
Right.
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Would you disagree
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with that?
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No, I would
totally agree with it.
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And I think a lot has to do with the
doctor mentality, the doctor leadership.
00:21:44.730 --> 00:21:45.899
Now it might be where you're going.
00:21:46.379 --> 00:21:46.560
Yeah.
00:21:46.560 --> 00:21:46.860
But
00:21:47.190 --> 00:21:48.450
Yeah, exactly.
00:21:48.510 --> 00:21:51.210
It, it's, it's to get to that number.
00:21:51.750 --> 00:21:54.870
A, you have to, you're gonna
work your tail off, right?
00:21:54.870 --> 00:21:58.500
And you're probably gonna have to
hire a team to support you so that,
00:21:59.010 --> 00:22:00.300
because you're only one, right?
00:22:00.300 --> 00:22:01.950
There's only one, or
in our case, two of us.
00:22:02.190 --> 00:22:04.470
We can't clone ourselves to
be everywhere and everything.
00:22:04.470 --> 00:22:06.840
And he had four small kids.
00:22:07.080 --> 00:22:09.720
Mine were a little bit older,
but he doesn't wanna spend 80
00:22:09.720 --> 00:22:12.660
hours a week indefinitely in
his practice growing this thing.
00:22:12.990 --> 00:22:14.610
So it came down to a decision.
00:22:14.610 --> 00:22:17.040
Do we wanna build our own team internally?
00:22:18.180 --> 00:22:21.630
Or do we want to go in
with Smile Doctors or somebody?
00:22:21.630 --> 00:22:21.720
Mm-hmm.
00:22:22.260 --> 00:22:24.570
Um, and, and
the idea that we had was, no,
00:22:24.570 --> 00:22:25.830
we're gonna do it ourselves.
00:22:25.860 --> 00:22:26.040
Right?
00:22:26.040 --> 00:22:27.120
We're gonna build. Right.
00:22:27.120 --> 00:22:32.100
And we're still, we're we still
thought we're too small to go and
00:22:32.100 --> 00:22:35.070
nobody's gonna want anything to
do with us because we're so small.
00:22:35.070 --> 00:22:38.310
I know people listening, six and a
half million dollars is not small.
00:22:38.700 --> 00:22:42.365
But based on where we wanted
to be, we were still small, right?
00:22:42.585 --> 00:22:42.965
And so.
00:22:44.030 --> 00:22:46.910
I just gave up the idea and we were
sitting at having dinner one night,
00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:52.010
on a family ski trip in Utah,
to Deer Valley or Park City
00:22:52.280 --> 00:22:55.820
and John Graham, my good friend,
is out in that neck of the woods.
00:22:55.820 --> 00:22:57.500
So I said, John, why don't you
come by, have dinner with the
00:22:57.500 --> 00:22:58.490
family, we'll have a good time.
00:22:58.490 --> 00:22:59.000
We'll go out.
00:22:59.120 --> 00:23:03.170
And when everybody went to sleep, he and
I were sitting there just chatting, and
00:23:03.230 --> 00:23:06.440
he had said to me, you know, Hey, by the
way, you know, Stu just joined Stu Frost,
00:23:06.440 --> 00:23:10.125
who's also a, a third good friend of
ours, you know, Stu just joined a group.
00:23:10.635 --> 00:23:12.195
He said, what do you
mean he joined a group?
00:23:12.645 --> 00:23:15.585
And so he sort of explained
to me what Stu Frost had done.
00:23:15.585 --> 00:23:17.595
He joined, and that was in 2021.
00:23:17.955 --> 00:23:20.445
And so he told me, who did he join?
00:23:20.445 --> 00:23:23.445
So I made a phone call and I knew
the person who ran the group and
00:23:23.445 --> 00:23:26.265
they said to me, Hey, you know,
I think you guys are great, but
00:23:26.265 --> 00:23:27.345
I didn't wanna step on your toes.
00:23:27.345 --> 00:23:30.105
I didn't think you were ready yet,
but if you are, and literally two
00:23:30.105 --> 00:23:33.075
days later, the whole management team
from that group was sitting in my,
00:23:33.495 --> 00:23:37.575
In my office and we had lunch or
dinner together with Doug and um,
00:23:38.295 --> 00:23:40.485
and then it was at that point we sat
back and go, well, maybe this is for
00:23:40.485 --> 00:23:42.225
us and so let's go do some homework.
00:23:42.375 --> 00:23:44.865
And that's when we looked around
and saw the landscape, which wasn't
00:23:44.865 --> 00:23:48.465
very different than it is today in
terms of the big names of groups.
00:23:48.525 --> 00:23:51.165
But one of the ones we reached
out, which was Smile Doctors.
00:23:51.405 --> 00:23:56.055
And my cousin, who happens to run a
private equity, started and runs a private
00:23:56.055 --> 00:23:58.365
equity firm in Hamburg, Germany.
00:23:58.395 --> 00:23:58.485
Mm-hmm.
00:23:58.935 --> 00:24:00.765
I reached out to
him and said, look, there's a lot here.
00:24:00.765 --> 00:24:01.665
I don't understand.
00:24:01.980 --> 00:24:04.380
Do, can you do me a favor
and just do some homework?
00:24:04.770 --> 00:24:08.490
Now, to put things bluntly, Doug
didn't want to join Smile Doctors.
00:24:08.490 --> 00:24:11.070
Not because he didn't like Smile
Doctors, but because some of
00:24:11.070 --> 00:24:13.860
the other groups had friends of
his or, or names he knew, right.
00:24:13.860 --> 00:24:15.330
Or folks he wanted to be around.
00:24:15.600 --> 00:24:17.460
And I just keep saying,
Doug, forget the names.
00:24:17.460 --> 00:24:18.420
Don't worry about names.
00:24:18.630 --> 00:24:20.580
Let's, let's do what's
best for the organization.
00:24:20.580 --> 00:24:20.670
Right?
00:24:21.030 --> 00:24:24.390
And um, my cousin came back and got
on a call with the two of us after he
00:24:24.390 --> 00:24:27.780
interviewed Smile Doctors Management and
all the management from other groups.
00:24:28.320 --> 00:24:29.220
And he just said this.
00:24:29.220 --> 00:24:31.860
I could get into a long, detailed
explanation for you guys about what
00:24:31.860 --> 00:24:36.060
I look at, but at the end of the
day, from from a financial stability
00:24:36.060 --> 00:24:37.890
perspective, it's not a fair fight.
00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:38.760
Those were his exact words.
00:24:38.760 --> 00:24:38.850
Mm-hmm.
00:24:39.420 --> 00:24:40.830
It's not a fair fight.
00:24:40.860 --> 00:24:41.460
We said, what do you mean?
00:24:41.460 --> 00:24:46.440
He goes, Smile Doctors is so far ahead
of the other companies you've spoken to.
00:24:46.495 --> 00:24:50.605
From a financial stability perspective,
that if you were gonna ask me, who do
00:24:50.605 --> 00:24:54.385
you feel the best about in terms of
long-term stability, that your equity
00:24:54.385 --> 00:24:57.115
is safe, that you've got a company
that's growing, that it's headed
00:24:57.115 --> 00:24:58.645
in the right direction, he goes.
00:24:59.145 --> 00:25:01.065
Smile Doctors is the only
one you need to join.
00:25:01.425 --> 00:25:04.815
And so Doug sort of said, really,
he kept trying to push and my cousin
00:25:04.815 --> 00:25:09.045
kept, just kept saying, Doug, if you're
looking for the right choice, forget
00:25:09.045 --> 00:25:10.635
names, forget people, forget whatever.
00:25:10.635 --> 00:25:11.655
It's Smile Doctors.
00:25:11.745 --> 00:25:16.034
And that's, we ended up working through
negotiations and ended up joining
00:25:16.034 --> 00:25:18.195
Smile Doctors in October of 2021.
00:25:18.524 --> 00:25:21.315
Got a great education
on it along the way.
00:25:21.405 --> 00:25:22.815
My cousin educated me.
00:25:22.815 --> 00:25:25.365
There were some great folks out
there like Chris Benson, who I spent
00:25:25.365 --> 00:25:30.555
a lot of time with picking his brain
and everything He told me back in, in
00:25:30.555 --> 00:25:35.115
2021 before we joined, not just about
Smile doctors, but about the landscape
00:25:35.115 --> 00:25:35.175
Yeah.
00:25:35.595 --> 00:25:36.975
Of
the OSO - DSO world.
00:25:37.035 --> 00:25:39.014
Every single thing he told
me back then came true.
00:25:39.135 --> 00:25:39.375
Wow.
00:25:39.555 --> 00:25:40.365
Like unbelievable.
00:25:40.365 --> 00:25:40.575
Wow.
00:25:40.785 --> 00:25:44.295
And, and even, and
even he said at the time when I asked
00:25:44.295 --> 00:25:47.235
him, I said, knowing our practice for us.
00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:49.050
What is the best fit?
00:25:49.050 --> 00:25:51.990
He goes, yeah, Smile Doctors is,
is the best fit for you guys.
00:25:51.990 --> 00:25:55.200
And he didn't say the, there was problems
with the other ones to be crystal clear,
00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:56.910
but for us, he felt it was the best fit.
00:25:56.940 --> 00:25:59.880
And then six months later I
just did a check-in with him.
00:26:00.330 --> 00:26:02.340
And so what do you think he
goes in the last six months
00:26:02.340 --> 00:26:03.390
based upon what they've done?
00:26:04.560 --> 00:26:07.620
He says, I feel even more
bullish on Smile Doctors, like
00:26:07.620 --> 00:26:08.640
they're making great choices.
00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:10.950
And that was, that was before
all the more, more recent
00:26:10.950 --> 00:26:11.640
events that have occurred.
00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:11.730
True.
00:26:11.730 --> 00:26:16.020
So long story short, we
felt that the organizational structure as
00:26:16.020 --> 00:26:21.420
well as the, the, the financial stability,
the cash on reserves that Smile
00:26:21.420 --> 00:26:25.350
Doctors had at the time, the ability to
tack in any direction they wanted, the
00:26:25.350 --> 00:26:28.290
marketing support, the HR support.
00:26:28.645 --> 00:26:33.265
and, and the fact that you, you
were already doing it for a hundred plus
00:26:33.265 --> 00:26:35.605
other practices before we came on board.
00:26:36.115 --> 00:26:40.705
Those are all things that really,
sort of swung us in that direction as
00:26:40.705 --> 00:26:43.345
well as the promise of two head of cattle.
00:26:44.470 --> 00:26:44.690
Yes.
00:26:46.165 --> 00:26:46.255
Yes.
00:26:46.920 --> 00:26:48.295
That was the part I remembered, which is
00:26:48.295 --> 00:26:48.775
Yes,
00:26:48.775 --> 00:26:49.015
I was
00:26:49.015 --> 00:26:49.665
waiting for you.
00:26:51.375 --> 00:26:54.125
That was
not the reason I joined Smile
00:26:54.125 --> 00:26:55.525
Doctors, people, just so you know.
00:26:55.650 --> 00:26:59.310
Two Black Angus head of cattle.
I think it's a combination.
00:26:59.310 --> 00:27:00.870
Black Angus and something else, right?
00:27:00.870 --> 00:27:00.930
Yeah,
00:27:01.140 --> 00:27:01.620
they're good.
00:27:01.620 --> 00:27:01.770
They're,
00:27:02.070 --> 00:27:02.975
it's Wagyu Black
00:27:03.045 --> 00:27:03.335
Angus.
00:27:04.050 --> 00:27:06.240
Although for anybody
out there, you know, we're gonna go
00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:09.690
back to biblical terms for anybody
who joins Smile Doctors, Scott Law
00:27:09.780 --> 00:27:11.100
will give you one head of cattle.
00:27:13.470 --> 00:27:15.510
Yeah, we have
a, we have a few, a few head
00:27:15.510 --> 00:27:17.100
of cattle out. That'd be
00:27:17.100 --> 00:27:17.340
awesome.
00:27:17.340 --> 00:27:18.600
You
look out on your pasture.
00:27:18.600 --> 00:27:20.910
Oh, that one is Joe's,
that one is Susan's, you know
00:27:20.970 --> 00:27:21.210
That's right.
00:27:21.690 --> 00:27:22.920
Have your own brand mark.
00:27:23.280 --> 00:27:24.060
That's awesome.
00:27:24.420 --> 00:27:26.220
No, we do, we have to make that happen.
00:27:26.220 --> 00:27:28.860
I gotta come, come clean
on my, on my promise.
00:27:29.245 --> 00:27:32.311
I'm, I'm absolving
you of any promise related to it.
00:27:33.255 --> 00:27:33.945
Variety of reasons.
00:27:33.945 --> 00:27:34.065
That's
00:27:34.065 --> 00:27:34.305
awesome.
00:27:34.305 --> 00:27:36.585
I know we joke tongue in
cheek about it, but. Oh yeah.
00:27:36.770 --> 00:27:38.535
I, I owe you some, so let's do it.
00:27:38.540 --> 00:27:38.730
Yeah.
00:27:39.135 --> 00:27:39.585
Um,
00:27:39.765 --> 00:27:41.650
and you, you get me
one and I'll cook it up, I promise.
00:27:41.650 --> 00:27:41.770
Yeah.
00:27:41.770 --> 00:27:42.765
That, that's it, that's it.
00:27:43.425 --> 00:27:48.765
I have always respected you guys
and I, and I do know, I know people
00:27:48.765 --> 00:27:50.535
have friends all, all around, right.
00:27:50.835 --> 00:27:55.875
And I think some well Smile
Doctors does have some big names
00:27:55.875 --> 00:27:59.535
who are on stage and who present
on their clinical and everything.
00:27:59.715 --> 00:28:00.405
Everything there.
00:28:01.085 --> 00:28:04.445
We don't have everybody, and so I, I
totally respect that, and people want
00:28:04.445 --> 00:28:05.885
to go where they feel comfortable.
00:28:06.335 --> 00:28:11.075
I will say, just having recently come
off of our Smile Doctors Summit, we have
00:28:11.105 --> 00:28:19.835
the most amazing doctors I know, and
I, I, it, it was just amazing to have.
00:28:20.085 --> 00:28:23.175
So many doctors in one
place, over 500 people there.
00:28:23.175 --> 00:28:27.735
And, um, just to, just to talk about
what we're doing as a business, what
00:28:27.735 --> 00:28:31.335
we're doing for people, putting people
first, love people first, straight
00:28:31.335 --> 00:28:34.185
into second, and just have that go
all the way through and through.
00:28:34.185 --> 00:28:37.875
I can't describe just the how,
how it is and how it's genuine and
00:28:37.875 --> 00:28:39.915
how it, how that is who we are.
00:28:40.335 --> 00:28:43.155
And it's, it's so nice
to be able to focus on that.
00:28:43.335 --> 00:28:44.925
When we have the
00:28:45.205 --> 00:28:48.715
The proper structure when, when we're
there so that doctors can win and
00:28:48.715 --> 00:28:50.635
succeed and do what they do best.
00:28:50.935 --> 00:28:54.445
And when you have people who
want to do what they do best with
00:28:54.445 --> 00:28:58.975
their heart and serving others,
then everyone, it just feeds.
00:28:58.975 --> 00:29:02.755
It's just a, it is, it was such a
beautiful feeling there on that meeting.
00:29:02.755 --> 00:29:05.515
And then to go and carry out what
we've, what we've been doing.
00:29:06.115 --> 00:29:07.585
Yeah, it was awesome.
00:29:07.645 --> 00:29:09.985
I'll, I'll tell, do you, do you
mind if I share a little bit about
00:29:09.985 --> 00:29:14.305
the, the, the recent acquisition on
the MyOrthos team at the meeting?
00:29:15.135 --> 00:29:16.665
Oh, so it was, it was awesome.
00:29:16.670 --> 00:29:20.385
And, and, uh, I can't remember if you
were, if you were there for that point,
00:29:20.385 --> 00:29:25.095
but, uh, someone stood up and shared
where, you know, we wear lanyards.
00:29:25.095 --> 00:29:27.675
Everyone, everyone has lanyards
and a name tag and everything.
00:29:27.675 --> 00:29:31.215
And so this year, because we had so
many recent affiliations, myOrthos,
00:29:31.575 --> 00:29:35.835
namely just, just a month before the
meeting, myOrthos got a different color.
00:29:35.835 --> 00:29:36.975
I think they got orange, right?
00:29:37.605 --> 00:29:38.180
And they were orange.
00:29:38.730 --> 00:29:39.140
They were.
00:29:39.340 --> 00:29:42.580
Um, right when they checked in,
we talked to them for months.
00:29:42.580 --> 00:29:46.480
As we were getting ready to do this, do
this, uh, acquisition and really integrate
00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:51.340
them, we'd said that, you know, you are
not going to be the redheaded stepchild,
00:29:51.340 --> 00:29:54.340
but yet, right when they check in,
they're handed a different color lanyard.
00:29:54.340 --> 00:29:57.760
And I know they all kind of looked
at it like I thought they said.
00:29:57.810 --> 00:30:00.450
I thought they said they weren't
gonna do this, and that we weren't
00:30:00.450 --> 00:30:04.110
gonna be treated, you know, as,
as second class citizens there.
00:30:04.110 --> 00:30:08.610
And, um, but the, quite the opposite
it was so we could identify who can
00:30:08.610 --> 00:30:12.330
we go and put our arms around, get to
know, and welcome them into the group.
00:30:12.330 --> 00:30:17.280
And it was at the end of the meeting
it that Todd Bivins stood up and
00:30:17.280 --> 00:30:20.760
he, and he shared his side of the
story, how he was nervous to check
00:30:20.760 --> 00:30:22.409
in when he saw that registration.
00:30:22.409 --> 00:30:22.620
Right.
00:30:23.730 --> 00:30:27.360
He said, uh, I think I'm gonna, I'm
gonna keep this lanyard and I'm gonna
00:30:27.360 --> 00:30:30.480
wear the orange one again next year,
because people have been so cool.
00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:33.360
I've gotten to know so many
people through this, and it was
00:30:33.360 --> 00:30:34.920
just a, it was a beautiful thing.
00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:36.840
Just one of the small examples of,
00:30:37.455 --> 00:30:40.815
Of the, the great fun that we had
and the, the quality of that meeting.
00:30:41.175 --> 00:30:41.505
Yeah.
00:30:41.715 --> 00:30:41.895
So
00:30:41.985 --> 00:30:42.645
it was wonderful.
00:30:42.675 --> 00:30:42.795
Yeah.
00:30:43.125 --> 00:30:47.925
And, and again, uh, you know, not to
look like a guy who's kissing up, but
00:30:47.925 --> 00:30:49.545
it all comes from our leadership, right?
00:30:49.725 --> 00:30:49.815
Yes.
00:30:49.905 --> 00:30:53.835
I mean, you sit on that stage and
um, you should have been a high,
00:30:53.895 --> 00:30:56.115
you should have been like a high
school or college football coach
00:30:56.145 --> 00:30:57.885
'cause you get everybody so excited.
00:30:57.885 --> 00:31:01.365
We were ready to run through a brick
wall together and, you know, doctors
00:31:01.365 --> 00:31:03.735
would stand up and talk about,
00:31:04.175 --> 00:31:07.925
How joining Smile Doctors changed
their lives in a positive way and the
00:31:07.925 --> 00:31:12.125
things that they were excited about,
and, and moving forward with.
00:31:12.125 --> 00:31:14.285
And it was great to see these.
00:31:14.955 --> 00:31:16.515
you know, you said it best before.
00:31:16.515 --> 00:31:18.615
I have a lot of relationships
in the ortho space.
00:31:18.975 --> 00:31:21.615
I knew a lot of the stories of the,
my ortho folks 'cause I had a lot
00:31:21.615 --> 00:31:24.735
of friends who were, who joined myOrthos
and I knew what was going on
00:31:24.735 --> 00:31:28.005
behind the scenes and the stories and
how disheartened many of them were.
00:31:28.005 --> 00:31:32.865
And, and to be honest, I get
messages from people in other osos
00:31:32.865 --> 00:31:35.120
on a regular basis, um, basis.
00:31:35.125 --> 00:31:36.345
Joking, not joking.
00:31:36.345 --> 00:31:38.775
Hey Glenn, can you speak to 'em
and see if they can acquire
00:31:38.775 --> 00:31:40.275
us because blah, blah, blah.
00:31:40.275 --> 00:31:40.365
Sure.
00:31:41.805 --> 00:31:42.825
I've heard those for ages.
00:31:43.035 --> 00:31:48.015
So these people who are in that room,
the thankfulness, if that is a good word
00:31:48.045 --> 00:31:48.135
mm-hmm.
00:31:48.375 --> 00:31:51.135
That they
demonstrated, really helped everybody
00:31:51.135 --> 00:31:53.055
in the room just elevate their own.
00:31:53.060 --> 00:31:53.120
Right.
00:31:53.385 --> 00:31:53.715
Right.
00:31:53.775 --> 00:31:55.695
Because you
know, when you hear a story about
00:31:55.695 --> 00:31:57.225
somebody who's sort of given up.
00:31:57.689 --> 00:32:01.800
Or who's despondent and all of a
sudden they join your organization
00:32:02.100 --> 00:32:04.050
and now their spirits are soaring.
00:32:04.320 --> 00:32:05.909
You know, things they kept
saying over and over again.
00:32:05.909 --> 00:32:08.010
Now I look forward to
going to work again every
00:32:08.010 --> 00:32:08.189
morning.
00:32:08.790 --> 00:32:11.070
Right now my future feels so bright again.
00:32:11.159 --> 00:32:11.370
Yep, yep.
00:32:11.760 --> 00:32:12.419
And it is, it is.
00:32:12.570 --> 00:32:16.080
Our organization, people, people say
all the time, Hey, how do you, how
00:32:16.080 --> 00:32:19.320
do you feel about, you know, having,
having such a large organization
00:32:19.320 --> 00:32:22.620
and Smile Doctors being so big and
successful and, and all of that.
00:32:22.620 --> 00:32:25.199
And it's like, well,
first it was just an idea.
00:32:25.199 --> 00:32:29.235
I. People bought in, and it's all
of us who are creating this, and
00:32:29.235 --> 00:32:31.725
then second, rent's still due today.
00:32:32.055 --> 00:32:33.555
And it's like, what are we going to do?
00:32:33.735 --> 00:32:34.035
Right.
00:32:34.035 --> 00:32:35.655
So it is, it is like, great.
00:32:35.655 --> 00:32:36.855
We've accomplished a lot.
00:32:37.455 --> 00:32:39.735
We have, we have a lot to do.
00:32:40.065 --> 00:32:45.975
And, and uh, you know, it's where much
is given, much is required and where we
00:32:45.975 --> 00:32:49.635
have an opportunity to go and bless the
lives of many people and to, to have.
00:32:50.190 --> 00:32:52.950
Benefit of income and impact.
00:32:53.010 --> 00:32:55.110
This is, this is the greatest
profession in the world.
00:32:55.680 --> 00:32:57.540
And I'm just so excited.
00:32:57.540 --> 00:33:00.780
I pinch myself when they do ask me that,
what, what, how do you feel about it?
00:33:00.780 --> 00:33:02.550
And I, you know, it's not lost on me.
00:33:02.879 --> 00:33:09.000
The privilege and the responsibility and
of, of where we're at to, to go into.
00:33:09.540 --> 00:33:11.220
To bless others, help others.
00:33:11.699 --> 00:33:16.590
But, uh, I do pinch myself to work
with such amazing people on the doctor
00:33:16.590 --> 00:33:18.899
side and on the business side as well.
00:33:18.899 --> 00:33:19.980
Just everyone's hearts in it.
00:33:20.014 --> 00:33:21.705
It's, it's an amazing thing.
00:33:21.745 --> 00:33:21.945
I agree.
00:33:22.054 --> 00:33:22.345
It's
00:33:22.345 --> 00:33:22.545
an amazing thing.
00:33:22.649 --> 00:33:22.679
I
00:33:22.679 --> 00:33:22.889
agree.
00:33:22.889 --> 00:33:24.959
And, and if I can just add
just one more piece to it.
00:33:25.320 --> 00:33:29.370
You know, one of the things that I
think is really, uh, invigorated people,
00:33:29.370 --> 00:33:33.570
especially at that meeting was that,
you know, a lot of people out there,
00:33:34.080 --> 00:33:37.949
unfortunately, and I think we
were one of them, Doug and I, when we
00:33:37.949 --> 00:33:43.020
affiliated back in 2021, which seems
like generations ago, literally in an
00:33:43.020 --> 00:33:45.120
OSO - DSO world, it was generations ago.
00:33:45.120 --> 00:33:47.580
Well, you said it
was like, how many were, how many
00:33:47.580 --> 00:33:49.110
offices did we have at that time?
00:33:49.409 --> 00:33:50.250
A hundred and something,
00:33:50.370 --> 00:33:51.959
you know, offices or partners?
00:33:51.959 --> 00:33:54.870
I don't know, but
I think, I know for sure all partners
00:33:54.870 --> 00:33:56.580
like doctors was in the low hundreds.
00:33:56.580 --> 00:33:56.669
Right.
00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:57.300
We had.
00:33:59.295 --> 00:34:01.665
I think 130, 140 when we joined.
00:34:01.665 --> 00:34:02.685
And now what do we have?
00:34:02.685 --> 00:34:04.935
400 and oh, we have over.
00:34:05.145 --> 00:34:06.015
Oh yeah.
00:34:06.015 --> 00:34:08.175
So yeah, we are, we're at like 460.
00:34:08.415 --> 00:34:08.595
Yeah.
00:34:09.300 --> 00:34:10.680
Yeah, it, it's amazing.
00:34:10.680 --> 00:34:13.260
It's tripled since we joined
and I mean, I don't wanna blame
00:34:13.260 --> 00:34:14.699
it all on me, I'm just saying
00:34:15.180 --> 00:34:15.360
I love it.
00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:20.670
But, but joking
aside, when we joined, you
00:34:20.670 --> 00:34:24.180
had just gone through one generational
iteration, which was you went from
00:34:24.180 --> 00:34:28.260
calling all the offices Smile Doctors to
allowing 'em to retain their own name.
00:34:28.260 --> 00:34:28.350
Right.
00:34:28.650 --> 00:34:31.320
Which back in the
day was a deal breaker for a lot
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:33.390
of docs if they had to change the
name of their practice from Krieger
00:34:33.390 --> 00:34:34.590
Orthodontics to Smile Doctors.
00:34:34.590 --> 00:34:34.680
Sure.
00:34:34.949 --> 00:34:37.949
So shortly like about
when Ben Fishbein came on, which was.
00:34:38.520 --> 00:34:41.100
Which was probably about
four to six months before us.
00:34:41.430 --> 00:34:46.080
All of a sudden we keep our
names now, you know, when we joined
00:34:46.080 --> 00:34:47.760
we had to sell 100% of our practice.
00:34:48.225 --> 00:34:49.064
In the acquisition
00:34:49.095 --> 00:34:49.274
Right.
00:34:49.635 --> 00:34:53.085
Nowadays, you know,
the, the, the generational game changer
00:34:53.085 --> 00:34:54.885
of being able to maintain ownership
00:34:54.944 --> 00:34:55.064
Yep.
00:34:55.455 --> 00:34:58.545
In your practice
so that not only do you, are you both
00:34:58.545 --> 00:35:02.295
working together as partners, but
you're still making a really solid
00:35:02.295 --> 00:35:04.185
income in addition to the salary.
00:35:04.185 --> 00:35:04.274
Right.
00:35:04.295 --> 00:35:04.955
That you're being paid.
00:35:04.955 --> 00:35:08.644
So I always tell anybody who's thinking
about joining, Smile Doctors
00:35:08.644 --> 00:35:14.465
today, if I would've joined, if I
joined in 2021 when these things didn't
00:35:14.465 --> 00:35:16.894
exist, when De Novos didn't exist.
00:35:16.899 --> 00:35:16.979
Mm-hmm.
00:35:17.345 --> 00:35:21.095
When, um, when
sort of the boltons, if you will, or,
00:35:21.095 --> 00:35:25.715
or acquisitions of smaller practice
didn't exist, if the marketing that
00:35:25.774 --> 00:35:30.215
that they're doing now at Kaufman is
doing for Smile Doctors, none of these
00:35:30.215 --> 00:35:32.644
things existed in 2021 when we joined.
00:35:33.045 --> 00:35:35.385
All the more it's ripe today.
00:35:35.415 --> 00:35:40.065
Like it, the opportunities afforded
to the people who are in that room
00:35:40.305 --> 00:35:44.025
to be able to go open a new practice
with, in partnership with Smile
00:35:44.025 --> 00:35:46.965
Doctors and the organizational
support, which we did back in June.
00:35:47.085 --> 00:35:47.175
Yep.
00:35:47.565 --> 00:35:49.245
Of June
or July of last year.
00:35:49.785 --> 00:35:52.665
I mean, these are things that are game
changers in my opinion, that that.
00:35:53.025 --> 00:35:57.285
If I was looking for a new practice,
a new OSO to join today, it would be
00:35:57.285 --> 00:36:00.255
so much more than just the strength
of the financials, which, from what I
00:36:00.255 --> 00:36:03.555
understand, Smile Doctors is still a
leader in the clubhouse on that, but
00:36:03.555 --> 00:36:09.465
it's, it's the other stuff that feeds
our entrepreneurial fires so that you
00:36:09.465 --> 00:36:10.545
don't say, well, you sold everything.
00:36:10.545 --> 00:36:11.595
What do I have to work for?
00:36:11.595 --> 00:36:14.715
Well, you have a partnership, but
a lot of people have a hard time
00:36:14.715 --> 00:36:16.095
wrapping their heads around that.
00:36:16.095 --> 00:36:16.215
Mm-hmm.
00:36:16.575 --> 00:36:18.735
If you're
a 40% owner in your practice.
00:36:19.095 --> 00:36:22.035
And you're getting 40% of the net
proceeds in addition to your salary.
00:36:22.365 --> 00:36:23.865
Now you got something a
little different to work for.
00:36:24.135 --> 00:36:24.225
Right.
00:36:24.225 --> 00:36:26.025
You know, it's a totally
different position.
00:36:26.025 --> 00:36:29.565
I, I, I would compose it to you, you
guys were doing six and a half million.
00:36:29.595 --> 00:36:33.675
You're at an inflection point where
it's either, are we ready to go a
00:36:33.675 --> 00:36:37.185
hundred percent, you know, sell a
hundred percent of your practice, right?
00:36:37.215 --> 00:36:40.935
Or do we wanna really hunker down
and put infrastructure in and,
00:36:41.325 --> 00:36:44.355
and, you know, and see if we can
get our, build up, our ebitda.
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:49.620
Or you, I mean, today you guys would've
had the option to go, well, let's go a
00:36:49.620 --> 00:36:54.450
JV model where you go on the split where,
where you only sell part of your practice,
00:36:54.450 --> 00:36:57.810
and then as it grows you see that upside.
00:36:57.900 --> 00:36:59.070
So that's, that's where people
00:36:59.070 --> 00:36:59.220
want ...
00:36:59.220 --> 00:37:00.360
And
sell it a second time.
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:00.600
Right?
00:37:00.600 --> 00:37:00.900
Right.
00:37:02.265 --> 00:37:03.645
And
then sell the second half.
00:37:03.645 --> 00:37:04.305
I mean, that's like,
00:37:04.965 --> 00:37:05.175
I know.
00:37:05.175 --> 00:37:06.915
So I always
tell, I tell younger doctors,
00:37:06.915 --> 00:37:08.535
look, I'm not a financial advisor.
00:37:08.595 --> 00:37:10.455
Clearly I'm not a broker.
00:37:10.694 --> 00:37:13.545
But I've spoken with a lot of
brokers and I've spoken to a lot of
00:37:13.545 --> 00:37:16.815
financial advisors and I've spoken
to people in the industry who say to
00:37:16.815 --> 00:37:18.765
me, you know, I talk to young docs.
00:37:18.795 --> 00:37:20.085
They go, well, I'm not ready yet.
00:37:20.295 --> 00:37:23.025
And they're doing 4, 3, 4, $5 million.
00:37:23.625 --> 00:37:29.805
And I said, what I was told was, if you're
growing consistently at 20 or 25% year
00:37:29.805 --> 00:37:34.185
over year, over year, I'm not talking
like our January was 25% percent bigger
00:37:34.185 --> 00:37:38.805
than last year, January, but if you're
legitimately growing at 20 to 25% a year.
00:37:39.240 --> 00:37:43.260
Then you may just, may, may be able
to make a case that you're still
00:37:43.260 --> 00:37:48.029
growing, but if, if you're, if you're
growing five, 10, 15%, the OSO is
00:37:48.029 --> 00:37:51.840
likely growing faster than you are,
and your equity is probably growing.
00:37:51.870 --> 00:37:56.069
And as a partial owner now in your
practice to be able to reap that income.
00:37:56.250 --> 00:37:59.400
At the same time as watching your
equity grow on the back end, you
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:01.620
just can't catch it. No matter
what anybody wants to tell you.
00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:03.840
And I've run the math, you just can't.
00:38:04.140 --> 00:38:04.380
Yep.
00:38:05.040 --> 00:38:05.190
No.
00:38:05.190 --> 00:38:09.300
What it is, it's a, it's a, it's a great
option for people who want to do it.
00:38:09.300 --> 00:38:13.080
I think OSOs aren't for everybody,
and not everybody is for an OSO.
00:38:13.140 --> 00:38:16.440
I mean, we, we we're very
selective and it's one of the
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:17.730
things that makes us special is.
00:38:18.255 --> 00:38:23.505
We want the right people to, to come
in and to pull alongside everyone else
00:38:23.895 --> 00:38:25.395
that their heart's in the right place.
00:38:25.395 --> 00:38:28.815
And that's a, I get to do a lot of
the business development dinners
00:38:28.815 --> 00:38:32.715
and sit down with doctors and really
kinda look into their heart and
00:38:32.715 --> 00:38:34.185
just see how do you treat your team?
00:38:34.185 --> 00:38:35.295
How do you treat your patients?
00:38:35.775 --> 00:38:39.825
Are you, are you gonna, are you
gonna work as hard as the rest of us?
00:38:40.035 --> 00:38:40.935
If so, welcome.
00:38:41.340 --> 00:38:42.029
Come on board.
00:38:42.630 --> 00:38:45.180
If not, you know, it's not for us.
00:38:45.535 --> 00:38:48.990
And, and so we shake your
hand and, and wish you well.
00:38:48.990 --> 00:38:52.649
But yeah, we're very, very
selective because we just know.
00:38:53.460 --> 00:38:56.760
We just know how important it is, how,
how important it is to, to have the
00:38:56.760 --> 00:38:58.680
right people taking care of people.
00:38:59.939 --> 00:39:00.660
Yeah, agreed.
00:39:00.779 --> 00:39:04.590
And it's, it's really funny how
the general, general public, if you
00:39:04.590 --> 00:39:08.040
will, of orthodontists, they think
that if they just call Smile Doctors
00:39:08.040 --> 00:39:09.420
and say, Hey, I'm ready to join.
00:39:09.975 --> 00:39:10.755
Like, okay, cool.
00:39:10.755 --> 00:39:11.385
Come on board.
00:39:11.385 --> 00:39:11.505
Right?
00:39:11.925 --> 00:39:16.725
It doesn't, you know, the more
people don't join or more people
00:39:17.025 --> 00:39:21.285
are, are not given deals than
are given at the end of the day.
00:39:21.705 --> 00:39:26.715
Because when you go into that
room at the annual meeting, I'm
00:39:26.715 --> 00:39:28.095
saying this to everybody listening.
00:39:28.095 --> 00:39:30.680
There's, I'm not making this
up, I'm being dead honest.
00:39:30.700 --> 00:39:35.265
And I would challenge you, Scott, can
you think of one person in that room who
00:39:35.265 --> 00:39:36.465
you just don't wanna give a big hug to?
00:39:36.465 --> 00:39:36.555
Right.
00:39:37.125 --> 00:39:37.845
No, I can't.
00:39:38.055 --> 00:39:40.904
I, every single
doctor who I've ever met in the
00:39:40.904 --> 00:39:45.015
network, who I've personally met is
an another fellow partner in this.
00:39:45.404 --> 00:39:46.604
Every one of 'em are good people.
00:39:47.444 --> 00:39:48.100
Every one of 'em.
00:39:48.104 --> 00:39:52.935
I can't, people say, well,
there's 450 or 500, you know, it's
00:39:52.935 --> 00:39:54.194
bound to be some rotten apples.
00:39:54.225 --> 00:39:54.939
I can't think of one.
00:39:54.944 --> 00:39:55.904
I can't honestly.
00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:56.140
No.
00:39:56.175 --> 00:39:56.415
No.
00:39:56.475 --> 00:39:59.354
And everyone's different and they
bring great ideas and we all share
00:39:59.354 --> 00:40:00.915
and, and we lead differently.
00:40:00.915 --> 00:40:01.425
We lead.
00:40:01.515 --> 00:40:02.564
And so we all learn.
00:40:02.595 --> 00:40:03.435
It's, it's.
00:40:03.700 --> 00:40:04.359
Just awesome.
00:40:04.359 --> 00:40:08.170
I don't wanna make this a big commercial,
but man, I, I do pinch myself.
00:40:08.229 --> 00:40:09.069
I pinch myself.
00:40:09.279 --> 00:40:09.490
I ...
00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:09.849
Yeah,
00:40:10.120 --> 00:40:12.880
it starts at the top, man, and we're
just thankful for guys like you, well,
00:40:13.359 --> 00:40:13.750
and others.
00:40:13.929 --> 00:40:17.050
We just have, we
have an amazing leadership team.
00:40:17.139 --> 00:40:20.200
Jay Hedrick is phenomenal, and
our sponsors are phenomenal.
00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:23.649
The way that they support us and,
and the way they have is structured
00:40:23.649 --> 00:40:24.490
so doctors win.
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:28.630
I'm, I'm forever grateful that
that's our structure, that, that we
00:40:28.630 --> 00:40:31.630
continue to get bites of the apple
as it goes along alongside of them.
00:40:32.045 --> 00:40:32.644
So that's great.
00:40:33.455 --> 00:40:34.234
It's a beautiful thing.
00:40:34.625 --> 00:40:38.375
So Glenn, you have looked ahead
in your life to see, you know,
00:40:38.404 --> 00:40:42.215
changing landscapes, what you wanna
do, carve your own path in that.
00:40:42.215 --> 00:40:46.715
And, and I'd love to talk some about
this of your recent, I don't, I don't
00:40:46.715 --> 00:40:49.835
know that it's a transformation, but
it's certainly an elevation in your
00:40:49.835 --> 00:40:54.274
health and, and just what you've done
with over the last, over the last two,
00:40:54.274 --> 00:40:56.314
seems like two, two and a half years.
00:40:56.314 --> 00:40:59.465
I think just a you, you look phenomenal.
00:40:59.465 --> 00:41:01.115
Looks like you feel phenomenal.
00:41:01.144 --> 00:41:01.175
Okay.
00:41:01.370 --> 00:41:05.150
What, uh, what, what was the
inspiration behind it and what's,
00:41:05.390 --> 00:41:06.800
share with us some of your secrets.
00:41:07.860 --> 00:41:08.820
We just all want to be
00:41:08.820 --> 00:41:09.450
Scott Law.
00:41:09.690 --> 00:41:10.380
That's all I'm saying.
00:41:10.890 --> 00:41:11.279
Right.
00:41:11.430 --> 00:41:13.590
If only I could grow
out a decent mustache.
00:41:13.590 --> 00:41:13.980
Right.
00:41:15.660 --> 00:41:17.370
I, my wife would just know it.
00:41:17.370 --> 00:41:21.330
Just when, when you're, when you're, when
you, when you look like you do Scott, you
00:41:21.330 --> 00:41:23.400
can pull it off when you look like I do.
00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:24.360
It just doesn't work.
00:41:24.870 --> 00:41:26.610
I look more like something
at Munchkin Land.
00:41:27.180 --> 00:41:32.490
But you're right, it's been a little
over two years in February of 2022.
00:41:33.194 --> 00:41:36.585
Going back a little bit, I'm
gonna go back just to drop earlier.
00:41:36.585 --> 00:41:40.215
My daughter, Jordan, even
though I tried, I tried to talk
00:41:40.215 --> 00:41:41.654
her out of going to my college.
00:41:41.774 --> 00:41:41.804
Okay.
00:41:41.894 --> 00:41:42.465
Binghamton.
00:41:42.974 --> 00:41:43.005
Okay.
00:41:43.005 --> 00:41:44.804
In upstate New York, it
was a science school.
00:41:44.984 --> 00:41:48.705
She wanted to go to Binghamton
University, uh, SUNY Binghamton,
00:41:48.705 --> 00:41:49.575
as it used to be called.
00:41:49.995 --> 00:41:51.135
Even though she lives in Texas.
00:41:51.135 --> 00:41:52.005
I said, please don't go.
00:41:52.005 --> 00:41:52.695
You don't want to go there.
00:41:52.695 --> 00:41:54.945
It's isolated, it's dark,
it's rainy like Seattle.
00:41:54.945 --> 00:41:57.885
She says, no, I, they got a great biology
program, dad, I really want to go.
00:41:57.885 --> 00:41:57.915
Okay.
00:41:58.335 --> 00:42:00.915
So she ended up going and I
visited her the first year she
00:42:00.915 --> 00:42:05.025
was there, and it happened to be
fraternity, you know, alumni weekend.
00:42:05.025 --> 00:42:07.755
And so I ran into one of my
fraternity brothers who, whenever
00:42:07.755 --> 00:42:10.485
there was a big party, he and I
would always be hanging out together.
00:42:10.815 --> 00:42:13.965
You know, taking a little bit easier,
but always having a good time.
00:42:14.385 --> 00:42:17.145
And we just sat down and talked
and we caught up and lo and
00:42:17.145 --> 00:42:18.435
behold, he's a physician.
00:42:18.715 --> 00:42:22.795
Served, uh, came home, opened a
concierge medicine practice, and
00:42:22.795 --> 00:42:27.234
really got really into CrossFit and
then started a longevity clinic based,
00:42:27.234 --> 00:42:28.885
a science-based longevity clinic.
00:42:29.005 --> 00:42:32.245
And so I said to my wife, I said,
let's go down there to Charlotte
00:42:32.274 --> 00:42:33.415
and go check it or up there.
00:42:33.625 --> 00:42:37.045
And so we spent two days
where in his program.
00:42:37.224 --> 00:42:39.564
Kinda like something you'd find
at Duke or the Cooper Clinic.
00:42:39.564 --> 00:42:39.654
Right.
00:42:39.975 --> 00:42:43.785
You spend two days with him and you're
the only ones in the office basically
00:42:43.785 --> 00:42:48.675
for two days and everything from,
uh, a CT of the heart to a carotid
00:42:48.675 --> 00:42:53.325
ultrasound, to neurocognitive testing,
to fitness testing to a VO2 max.
00:42:53.595 --> 00:42:57.435
Everything except probably vision,
which I'll do an a cursory exam, but
00:42:58.050 --> 00:42:59.850
everything else is viewed top to bottom.
00:43:00.060 --> 00:43:04.529
The blood panel has genetics, epigenetics,
the galleri tests, which screening is
00:43:04.529 --> 00:43:08.700
the only way, real way to screen for,
for 50 different cancers, like, like,
00:43:08.819 --> 00:43:11.220
pancreatic at the cellular level.
00:43:11.340 --> 00:43:11.430
Mm-hmm.
00:43:12.060 --> 00:43:13.649
Um, which by the way, just a quick aside.
00:43:14.075 --> 00:43:18.455
Everybody listening, it's
called the gall test, G-A-L-L-E-R-I.
00:43:18.814 --> 00:43:22.745
Uh, it tests 50 different
cancers at the cellular level.
00:43:22.984 --> 00:43:26.345
So before a CAT scan, before an
MRI, before anything can find it.
00:43:26.705 --> 00:43:29.375
Um, and with a 99.5% accuracy.
00:43:29.705 --> 00:43:31.144
Uh, it's an expensive test.
00:43:31.144 --> 00:43:33.064
It's over a thousand
dollars just from the lab.
00:43:33.335 --> 00:43:37.115
Um, but you should get this done at
least once every year or two because
00:43:37.420 --> 00:43:41.560
It just, again, you can spot pancreatic
cancer at, at cellular level.
00:43:41.650 --> 00:43:46.810
So, um, but we did that for two days and
he looked at me in the eye after my DEXA
00:43:46.810 --> 00:43:49.000
scan and said, Glenn, we're good friends.
00:43:49.240 --> 00:43:53.080
Um, I don't wanna say you are,
um, you're a little heavy, but
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:55.000
we're gonna call you over fat.
00:43:55.120 --> 00:43:56.080
And I was like, what
do you mean over that?
00:43:56.080 --> 00:43:57.880
I'm under skinny, I wanna call it that.
00:43:58.240 --> 00:44:02.020
but, but my body fat percentage is
a little higher than I wanted it to be.
00:44:02.020 --> 00:44:03.250
My visceral fat
00:44:03.675 --> 00:44:05.115
Was higher than it should be.
00:44:05.505 --> 00:44:08.805
and he said, look, you're
just, you, you may work out a lot.
00:44:08.805 --> 00:44:12.345
You need take care of yourself, but
you're on your path of the, you're on
00:44:12.345 --> 00:44:14.115
your path towards metabolic disease.
00:44:14.115 --> 00:44:14.175
Yeah.
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:19.020
You're on your path to, you know,
you're 55 years old at the time.
00:44:19.200 --> 00:44:22.800
If you continue this path, you'll be
like most American males, you'll end
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:29.760
up overweight, insulin resistant,
um, you know, atherosclerotic,
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:33.540
you know, hypertensive,
diabetic, stroke, whatever it is.
00:44:33.540 --> 00:44:33.990
And I said.
00:44:34.350 --> 00:44:37.710
You know, you tell me what to
do, Jeff and I will do, I'll be
00:44:37.710 --> 00:44:38.790
the best patient you've ever had.
00:44:39.090 --> 00:44:39.150
Wow.
00:44:39.240 --> 00:44:39.840
He said, oh, come on.
00:44:39.984 --> 00:44:41.640
I hear, I said, trust me.
00:44:41.970 --> 00:44:45.180
And so he, he, he put me on some
tirzepatide at the time, or he
00:44:45.180 --> 00:44:47.160
put me on semaglutide at the time.
00:44:47.310 --> 00:44:51.029
'cause that's how we're gonna reduce
my visceral fat, which triples your
00:44:51.029 --> 00:44:52.770
risk of a lot of really bad things
00:44:53.069 --> 00:44:55.470
if it's above two
pounds, and I was at 4.2.
00:44:55.470 --> 00:44:55.740
Okay.
00:44:56.130 --> 00:44:58.080
Um, he put me on testosterone.
00:44:58.109 --> 00:44:58.200
Yep.
00:44:58.500 --> 00:45:00.510
Uh, because
being over, you know, being my mid
00:45:00.510 --> 00:45:02.700
fifties, my testosterone was low.
00:45:02.700 --> 00:45:05.399
And it's not, it's not about sexual
dysfunction that people talk about.
00:45:05.399 --> 00:45:07.080
It's about thinking more clearly.
00:45:07.080 --> 00:45:10.710
It's about muscle mass, which by the way,
a quick aside to everybody listening,
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:13.859
the number one way to lengthen the
quality of your life and lengthen
00:45:13.859 --> 00:45:15.660
your life is putting on muscle mass.
00:45:15.660 --> 00:45:15.750
Yep.
00:45:15.930 --> 00:45:19.080
Not doing high
intensity interval training, not getting
00:45:19.080 --> 00:45:20.729
on a bike and riding a hundred miles.
00:45:20.819 --> 00:45:24.569
Those are things that are good for you,
but if you wanna lengthen your lifespan
00:45:24.569 --> 00:45:29.430
scientifically, muscle mass, and for guys
our age, I know you're only 29, Scott, but
00:45:29.430 --> 00:45:34.109
for older guys like me, um, testosterone
is a really good way to help to do this.
00:45:34.109 --> 00:45:35.370
We got on some testosterone.
00:45:35.729 --> 00:45:38.040
Semaglutide.
00:45:38.310 --> 00:45:42.240
And I started really doing a lot
more weight training, a lot more protein.
00:45:42.240 --> 00:45:47.160
I got more into a, um, ketogenic diet
where a lot more protein and fat,
00:45:47.580 --> 00:45:49.440
and I cut out all sugar for my diet.
00:45:49.890 --> 00:45:54.180
And I wore a continuous glucose
monitor for a while, and his goal for
00:45:54.180 --> 00:45:58.680
me was he wanted me to lose in one year.
00:45:58.710 --> 00:46:00.510
He wanted me to lose 20 pounds of fat.
00:46:00.510 --> 00:46:00.690
Mm-hmm.
00:46:01.035 --> 00:46:02.385
And to
gain 10 pounds of muscle.
00:46:02.385 --> 00:46:02.715
Nice.
00:46:03.075 --> 00:46:06.165
And that, and we
identify that through a DEXA scan,
00:46:06.165 --> 00:46:09.495
which is a very, very active, it's
the gold standard in determining
00:46:09.854 --> 00:46:12.795
whether or not, you know, you're
changing your body composition.
00:46:12.795 --> 00:46:12.885
Yep.
00:46:13.035 --> 00:46:18.314
And so six months later I got on my,
my DEXA scan just as a here in Dallas,
00:46:18.314 --> 00:46:21.375
to just sort of send them the results
and see where we were in our pathway.
00:46:21.465 --> 00:46:23.264
And he wanted 20 and 10.
00:46:23.805 --> 00:46:26.654
At that point, in six months,
I'd lost 34 pounds of fat and
00:46:26.654 --> 00:46:27.735
gained 17 pounds a muscle.
00:46:27.735 --> 00:46:27.975
Love it.
00:46:28.275 --> 00:46:28.904
In six months.
00:46:28.904 --> 00:46:29.444
Dang.
00:46:29.444 --> 00:46:30.075
In six months.
00:46:30.075 --> 00:46:30.525
Dang.
00:46:30.885 --> 00:46:34.755
It was, it was like it,
I, I wasn't getting on my scale every day, but
00:46:34.965 --> 00:46:38.535
the number on the scale doesn't
really matter if you're recomposing.
00:46:38.625 --> 00:46:38.745
No.
00:46:39.165 --> 00:46:39.825
So, yeah.
00:46:39.825 --> 00:46:43.725
My, my coach always says,
it's like weighing your car
00:46:43.725 --> 00:46:45.285
to see how much gas is in it.
00:46:45.435 --> 00:46:49.125
It's a terrible way to, to, you
know, to try and understand how
00:46:49.125 --> 00:46:50.955
much fat muscle ratio you have.
00:46:50.955 --> 00:46:51.194
Yeah.
00:46:51.435 --> 00:46:51.585
Yeah.
00:46:52.035 --> 00:46:52.814
I love that.
00:46:53.115 --> 00:46:53.774
I love that.
00:46:53.774 --> 00:46:56.535
And, and so I think there's
this, there, there are these
00:46:56.595 --> 00:46:58.484
several stigmas out there, Scott.
00:46:58.575 --> 00:47:02.715
And by the way, you can attest to this
because you and I bump each other into
00:47:02.715 --> 00:47:05.894
each other at the gyms, at the Smile
Doctors meeting at five thirty in the morning.
00:47:06.194 --> 00:47:07.095
You know, I just look at you.
00:47:07.095 --> 00:47:08.024
I'm like, holy crap.
00:47:08.024 --> 00:47:09.404
That's what I wanna be one day.
00:47:09.765 --> 00:47:10.335
And, um,
00:47:10.335 --> 00:47:10.455
Me too.
00:47:10.635 --> 00:47:12.615
It's just,
it's, it's, it's great to see.
00:47:12.615 --> 00:47:15.825
And you know, I think there's several
things that get in people's way.
00:47:15.825 --> 00:47:18.015
Number one, people are too busy.
00:47:18.015 --> 00:47:18.075
Yeah.
00:47:18.645 --> 00:47:19.125
I'm too busy.
00:47:19.125 --> 00:47:24.375
I don't have time for this BS You can
always find that extra half hour, 45
00:47:24.375 --> 00:47:29.325
minutes of the day, wake up 45 minutes
earlier, go to bed, 45 minutes earlier.
00:47:29.385 --> 00:47:32.234
I mean, you can always find
the time or people say, well,
00:47:32.234 --> 00:47:33.615
I'll get to it sooner or later.
00:47:33.854 --> 00:47:35.955
If it's not on the book,
it's not gonna happen.
00:47:36.104 --> 00:47:37.035
So schedule it.
00:47:37.455 --> 00:47:39.435
It doesn't take any more
00:47:40.065 --> 00:47:41.805
time to eat right.
00:47:42.105 --> 00:47:45.255
And to transition into a healthy
diet and to add some supplements.
00:47:45.705 --> 00:47:50.234
but at the end of the day, there,
For anybody listening to this podcast
00:47:50.234 --> 00:47:53.234
who's an orthodontist, I think it's
safe to say you're gonna die with
00:47:53.234 --> 00:47:54.404
enough money in your bank account.
00:47:54.585 --> 00:47:55.335
Mm-hmm.
00:47:55.575 --> 00:47:57.435
But, but don't
you wanna live a longer life?
00:47:57.465 --> 00:47:57.585
Right.
00:47:57.825 --> 00:48:01.725
Go read Outlive by Peter Atia, where
he talks about the fact, you know,
00:48:01.725 --> 00:48:05.535
your grandfather bless blesses,
or grandmother bless her soul,
00:48:05.984 --> 00:48:07.545
lived to 101, I think you said.
00:48:07.545 --> 00:48:07.635
Yep.
00:48:07.665 --> 00:48:08.295
Just a little over.
00:48:08.295 --> 00:48:08.535
Yep.
00:48:09.705 --> 00:48:12.135
But, but, and
again, I don't mean to get personal.
00:48:12.135 --> 00:48:12.194
Yeah.
00:48:12.495 --> 00:48:13.755
Grandpa's 96.
00:48:13.755 --> 00:48:13.814
Yeah.
00:48:15.345 --> 00:48:15.675
Right.
00:48:16.575 --> 00:48:18.734
Is grandpa
traveling the world at 96?
00:48:18.734 --> 00:48:18.795
No.
00:48:18.825 --> 00:48:19.725
Is he getting on a plane?
00:48:20.175 --> 00:48:22.935
Is he, is he walking five miles a day?
00:48:22.935 --> 00:48:26.265
Is he, is he living a relatively
normal life or is it like Most of
00:48:26.265 --> 00:48:28.335
our family members, God love grandpa.
00:48:28.335 --> 00:48:29.444
He's 96 years old.
00:48:29.654 --> 00:48:33.975
You know, he's, he's in a home or he
is, he's in an assisted living facility
00:48:33.975 --> 00:48:37.064
and you know, he's hanging on and
he's able to talk and communicate.
00:48:37.335 --> 00:48:39.795
But he is not the guy who
was 10 or 15 years ago.
00:48:39.795 --> 00:48:39.885
Right.
00:48:40.210 --> 00:48:43.365
And, and, and Peter Atia talks
about the fact that wouldn't it
00:48:43.365 --> 00:48:48.465
be great for us, our generations
to say we live to 95 and something
00:48:48.465 --> 00:48:50.385
is going to get us at some point.
00:48:50.474 --> 00:48:50.535
Yeah.
00:48:50.774 --> 00:48:53.354
But roughly
until that last little bit,
00:48:53.654 --> 00:48:54.944
we are traveling the world.
00:48:55.035 --> 00:48:55.125
Right.
00:48:55.125 --> 00:48:56.325
We're living our lives.
00:48:56.535 --> 00:48:58.904
There's, there's healthy
sexual relationships happening.
00:48:58.904 --> 00:49:01.149
There's, there's neurocognitive.
00:49:01.335 --> 00:49:02.505
We're where we need to be.
00:49:02.715 --> 00:49:04.514
You know, we're able to
take care of ourselves.
00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:10.470
And his point, this, this MD PhD outta
Stanford, uh, and David Sinclair, who
00:49:10.470 --> 00:49:14.910
wrote his book Lifespan, he runs the
Harvard Longevity Project.
00:49:15.390 --> 00:49:18.240
They're saying that this is within
our reach today, knowing what we
00:49:18.240 --> 00:49:19.710
know about genetics and epigenetics.
00:49:19.710 --> 00:49:19.800
Mm-hmm.
00:49:20.040 --> 00:49:23.340
Knowing what we know
about diet, nutrition, exercise, and, and
00:49:23.819 --> 00:49:29.279
the last stigma is there are some great,
I, I don't wanna use the words, chemicals,
00:49:29.279 --> 00:49:34.500
but enhancers out there that are safe,
effective, proven, that we can utilize.
00:49:34.845 --> 00:49:36.555
To help facilitate getting there.
00:49:36.555 --> 00:49:38.774
It's kinda like having a
pounding headache, right?
00:49:38.774 --> 00:49:42.404
And saying, you know, I know I have two
Advil, but I don't like to take medicine.
00:49:42.465 --> 00:49:45.915
Well, you like getting a pounding
headache more so if you can lose
00:49:45.915 --> 00:49:49.694
body fat, gain muscle mass, think
clearer, live a better life.
00:49:49.755 --> 00:49:52.335
And this has all been studied for decades.
00:49:52.995 --> 00:49:54.734
Why would we not choose that?
00:49:54.734 --> 00:49:59.265
So I'm, you know, maybe in five
years I grow a third eyeball and
00:49:59.265 --> 00:50:01.184
people say, you see, we warned them.
00:50:01.365 --> 00:50:06.915
But, you know, until that
happens, I'm 57 years old.
00:50:07.125 --> 00:50:13.380
I compete in Jiujitsu on a national
level, on my belt ranking and my age and
00:50:13.890 --> 00:50:15.840
I just can't imagine ever giving this up.
00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:17.640
And once you see it,
you can't go backwards.
00:50:17.640 --> 00:50:18.180
Right, Scott?
00:50:18.240 --> 00:50:18.720
No, no, no.
00:50:18.720 --> 00:50:23.040
I never want to go back to, yeah,
what I was, it was a, it was rough.
00:50:23.279 --> 00:50:24.240
It was a rough time of life.
00:50:24.240 --> 00:50:29.730
I felt miserable about myself mentally,
just wasn't, wasn't pleased with who I
00:50:29.730 --> 00:50:34.890
was and how I was failing to show up in
that way, and as an example to my family
00:50:34.890 --> 00:50:40.770
and my, you know, and so, yeah, I decided
to make a change and now I'm hooked.
00:50:41.115 --> 00:50:42.225
I feel so much better.
00:50:42.225 --> 00:50:47.444
I can't, I don't want to miss workouts
because I don't, it's the mental part.
00:50:47.444 --> 00:50:51.345
I just, I just love going out and
exerting effort, lifting weights, clearing
00:50:51.345 --> 00:50:53.175
my head, and then attacking the day.
00:50:53.234 --> 00:50:54.315
So, yeah, it's a, it's awesome.
00:50:54.690 --> 00:50:54.980
Amen.
00:50:55.330 --> 00:50:55.725
It's awesome.
00:50:55.995 --> 00:50:58.575
Once, once you
get there, you just, you never
00:50:58.575 --> 00:51:02.865
realize, you know, you never realize
the engine using your metaphor.
00:51:03.269 --> 00:51:07.830
The car wasn't really running as well
as it does later, but you don't realize
00:51:07.830 --> 00:51:09.359
it until you put super gas in it, right?
00:51:09.510 --> 00:51:12.750
Once you put the good gas in it,
you're like, whoa, I didn't realize
00:51:12.750 --> 00:51:14.040
the car accelerates like this.
00:51:14.040 --> 00:51:16.710
I didn't realize that, you
know, the world is this color.
00:51:17.040 --> 00:51:21.059
And, really, folks, I just,
I'm sure Scott would say the same.
00:51:21.059 --> 00:51:22.200
I would encourage anybody out there.
00:51:23.025 --> 00:51:26.355
You know, if you don't start
soon, even with little steps,
00:51:26.385 --> 00:51:27.345
when are you gonna start?
00:51:27.404 --> 00:51:29.505
You know, you are gonna
have a much better life.
00:51:29.654 --> 00:51:29.715
Yeah.
00:51:29.835 --> 00:51:33.435
But congratulations to
you that Recomposition is amazing.
00:51:33.615 --> 00:51:37.245
You went, so tell us again, 17 pounds
of muscle, how much fat dropped?
00:51:37.395 --> 00:51:37.515
Yeah.
00:51:37.515 --> 00:51:41.415
This was just in the first six
months, it was 17 pounds of muscle
00:51:41.415 --> 00:51:44.955
gained and 34 pounds of fat loss.
00:51:44.955 --> 00:51:45.315
Wow.
00:51:45.525 --> 00:51:46.965
So I lost 17 pounds.
00:51:46.965 --> 00:51:47.055
Yep.
00:51:47.715 --> 00:51:52.425
Um, but unlike, you know, my friends
who, you know, they have a wedding
00:51:52.425 --> 00:51:56.475
coming up or something, so they start
dieting and they lose 20 pounds.
00:51:56.475 --> 00:51:56.535
Yeah.
00:51:56.895 --> 00:51:58.515
They went sarcopenic, right?
00:51:58.515 --> 00:52:01.935
They, they burned their muscle mass
because they didn't lift weight
00:52:01.935 --> 00:52:03.585
or they didn't use testosterone.
00:52:03.585 --> 00:52:05.236
They just, they lost 20 pounds Yeah.
00:52:05.625 --> 00:52:08.085
Of, of some muscle as well as fat.
00:52:08.085 --> 00:52:11.955
And then when they gain it back later,
they gain back fat more than muscle.
00:52:11.955 --> 00:52:13.545
And now their body composition is higher.
00:52:13.545 --> 00:52:16.035
So yeah, 17 pounds of muscle.
00:52:16.380 --> 00:52:21.060
Gained 34 pounds of fat lost in
six months, and, you know, I've
00:52:21.060 --> 00:52:22.979
kind of stayed there at this point.
00:52:23.040 --> 00:52:26.160
You know, my DEXA scan says
I'm, I'm pretty stable.
00:52:26.160 --> 00:52:28.950
I mean, I, I could probably lift heavier
and go bigger, but I like the weight
00:52:28.950 --> 00:52:33.569
class I'm in, in Jiujitsu, and so I like
being where I am and I, I, I seem to
00:52:33.569 --> 00:52:35.970
be at a perennial 11 to 12% body fat.
00:52:36.029 --> 00:52:37.439
And you know what, I will take that.
00:52:37.979 --> 00:52:40.109
To my, I'll take that number
to my grave if I could.
00:52:40.109 --> 00:52:40.319
Right?
00:52:40.349 --> 00:52:41.130
Oh, that's great.
00:52:41.130 --> 00:52:41.849
Great shape.
00:52:41.910 --> 00:52:42.240
Yeah.
00:52:42.420 --> 00:52:43.439
Congratulations, brother.
00:52:44.189 --> 00:52:45.029
Always inspired by
00:52:45.029 --> 00:52:45.120
you.
00:52:45.120 --> 00:52:45.975
No, no, honestly, no.
00:52:45.975 --> 00:52:48.689
You, you, you always, you
are the king of deflection.
00:52:48.689 --> 00:52:53.370
Glen, if there ever was one, just to,
to find, find good in other people and
00:52:53.764 --> 00:52:54.455
And what ...
00:52:54.455 --> 00:52:54.845
it's true.
00:52:54.845 --> 00:52:58.024
It's what makes the
relationship so, so fun to be around you.
00:52:58.024 --> 00:53:00.575
And so many people like to,
like to hear from you and well,
00:53:00.575 --> 00:53:01.564
thank you and be near you.
00:53:01.564 --> 00:53:02.345
So thank you.
00:53:02.345 --> 00:53:06.274
I, I appreciate, I appreciate it. Thank
you for, for the, for the compliment.
00:53:06.274 --> 00:53:08.314
It makes me feel really good, but, um,
00:53:08.319 --> 00:53:11.524
it, I'll, it, I'm
just be honest, when I walked in to the
00:53:11.524 --> 00:53:13.865
Smile Doctor's meeting, what was it?
00:53:13.955 --> 00:53:17.075
Two or three years ago, I
don't remember where it was held.
00:53:17.520 --> 00:53:19.140
It was at an AAO meeting.
00:53:19.140 --> 00:53:19.230
Mm-hmm.
00:53:19.590 --> 00:53:20.490
I think Right?
00:53:20.490 --> 00:53:22.200
It was holding an ao
Was that two years ago?
00:53:22.260 --> 00:53:23.279
Uh, yeah.
00:53:23.279 --> 00:53:24.899
I think it was three, three years now.
00:53:25.200 --> 00:53:25.590
Three years.
00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:28.470
Three years ago I walked
in and you got up the stand and you walked
00:53:28.470 --> 00:53:30.930
in off the side and I just turned to Doug.
00:53:30.930 --> 00:53:33.480
I just went, holy cow.
00:53:33.480 --> 00:53:33.540
Yeah.
00:53:33.810 --> 00:53:37.890
And Doug and I just sat there for like
10 minutes just looking at you going,
00:53:38.399 --> 00:53:40.470
what is he eating that we're not?
00:53:40.649 --> 00:53:43.770
And seriously it's folks
like you and others who.
00:53:44.190 --> 00:53:45.690
I don't mean it as deflection.
00:53:45.690 --> 00:53:46.560
I'm being dead honest.
00:53:46.560 --> 00:53:49.800
I will never, ever forget the people
who inspire me in that moment.
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Was one of those moments where I just,
I think I turned to you at that point.
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I said, yeah, I just started, and you were
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like, yeah,
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yeah,
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right on.
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It's great.
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It's, we, we wanna make each other better.
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And so thank you.
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Thank you for your impact on
me, on so many on this industry
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and, and all that you do.
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So love, love being
partnered with you, Glenn.
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Thank you.
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Likewise.
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Have an awesome day.
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Thanks brother.
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You too.
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You want me to talk, but I'm so shy.
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I don't like to talk.