Beyond Cognitive Rigidity | Scott and LaRae Wright's Journey to Authentic Connection revisited

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Welcome to the Observatory Podcast.
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With your hosts, Scott and LaRae Wright.
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Join us each week as we explore living life from
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the inside out. Welcome back to the Observatory Podcast. Today,
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Rae and I are going to sit down post-sibling reunion
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from her family. We just got back from spending a
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little bit of time with her siblings and We're going
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to talk some about that, some of the insights that
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we had, and then we're going to talk about some
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information that we listen to in a podcast about cognitive rigidity.
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And we invite you to sit back and enjoy this
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podcast and listen to it. Let us know your feelings
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about it, and don't forget to like and share this
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podcast wherever you think people might like it. Welcome back
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to the Observatory Podcast with me and my beautiful bass
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voice today.
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Yes, you're recovering from a little....
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Illness.
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I guess, feeling less than perfect.
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Yeah, feeling less than perfect. This is the second time
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in the last month I've had this thing. It's a
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cold of some kind. Don't know what it is, but
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I just know I haven't felt very good for the
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last several days. We just got back from a trip
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down to be with some of your siblings. cedar city
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utah taking a nice trip down there and uh toward
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the end of the trip i started to get sick
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again i know runny nose and now it's cough and.
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I think it's a big call for you to rest
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i think so so because you've been going pretty solid
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since the end.
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Of august yeah a lot of stuff going on but
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it was fun to go visit your family.
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It was we um tried to get together once a
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year as siblings we haven't the last few years, done
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a very good job at it. But this year, there
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were three of us that gathered. Everyone else had either
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schedule conflicts or life that is just getting busy. But
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it was a lot of fun. It reminds me of
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the saying that we really don't know what we have
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until we gather with those that our first home was with.
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And we tell stories and we laugh and we renew
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that bond. And it's such an intricate part of our tapestry.
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And I just really enjoyed it. We had a lot
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of fun.
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You know what I thought was different about it? I'm
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going to have to cough now and again, so bear
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with me. It was, like you said, only two of
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your siblings, their husbands. And normally there's more.
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Yeah, we're missing three.
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Three of you are missing right now. And the dynamic
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of it was interesting because it allowed us to have,
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I think, deeper conversations with each of the two that
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we were with and their husbands. And when there's six there,
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six couples, the dynamic, it's not that it's less intimate,
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but I think you just don't get to talk to
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each other as much one-on-one as we did. And we
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got to talk about all sorts of things that were...
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Insightful for me. I got to, especially with Delaine and Sid,
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I got to talk to them more, be with them more,
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see them more. And we were in their home. So
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their family was all there. We went and visited a
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bunch of their children while we were there. It was
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really cool.
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It was. I think in any gathering that's larger, there's
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just room then for you to be silent.
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Yeah.
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And no one questions that silence because... you're not really missed.
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There's enough to carry on the conversation. But when you're
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in a smaller group and you choose to be silent,
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it becomes noticeable that you're silent. And so the invitation
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to participate is just much greater. And it was just interesting.
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Like you said, it's not right or wrong. It was
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just interesting. And it was a really good time. And
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we had an opportunity to just share with each other
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what our lives are up to, what we're doing. Interestingly,
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you and I have retired officially. I'm still working, but
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we've retired. And Nick has retired. So Jackie was the
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only one among us that hasn't. And she's definitely exploring that.
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She's getting to that age. But it's so interesting how
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what we focus on shifts.
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Yeah, as you get closer to retirement.
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And you become much more aware and comfortable with where
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you are in life, the chapter that you're entering. And
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then as we went around and saw Darlene's children, the
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ones that live locally, and visited their homes, for me especially,
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since you and I don't have children living with us,
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and your children are grown, we see them on occasion
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to do things with, but we don't have a day-to-day
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reminder of time passing. So we sometimes go, was it 2017, 16, 18, 20?
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A year of COVID is like a warp year. But
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with them, every year is defined because they have children
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and they're coming to another age and the events in
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their lives are changing.
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Not just children, a lot. Because it's children and grandchildren.
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They all live really close.
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And now they have great-grandchildren.
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Great-grandchildren.
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And so that definition of their lives makes it much
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more noticeable, the passing of time.
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And I don't think I had as much of an
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appreciation for that with them as I do now. Because,
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I mean, someone was always there. Right.
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They have several grandchildren living with them. Like I said,
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when we went and saw the children that lived near them,
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their lives are busy and we saw all the children.
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And again, because it was a, such a small group
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of us, the interaction then with their children and grandchildren
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was much greater because you can't just kind of blend
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into the background. You know, you're the one engaging. And
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so the, it was really beautiful. It was meaningful conversation
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and it has made.
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Me conversations with a lot of her grandkids. Right. And so,
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you know, I got to interact with them more and
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see them more and, experienced them and the dynamics of
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their families.
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Right, especially the two that were living with them. So
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it has prompted me to really think of all my
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siblings and their children and just ask myself, you know,
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what kind of meaningful interactions. It's similar to the experience
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we had when we went with Jackie and Nick on
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the cruise earlier this year. And we had such a
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more intimate experience with all of her children and grandchildren.
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And really got to know Tice and Landon and Boston
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and experience them on a day-to-day basis.
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Yeah, that was fun.
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So I think there's something to be said about that.
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Well, we kind of went down this road just to
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start off.
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But it's not what we wanted to talk about. It's
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not where we want to go.
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So we're just catching you up on our lives and
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where we've been and some of the things we've been
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up to. And as we continue the podcast, we're looking
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to when Ray and I get together and talk about something,
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sometimes it's just things as we're going through life that
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pop up. And today was one of those things. I'd
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had an experience with sharing some information with someone. And
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the response that I got back was one of less
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than acceptance. And I wasn't expecting it to be accepted.
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I wasn't expecting it to be seen from my point
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of view at all. But it was a really neutral
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topic that we were talking about.
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Well, and you didn't really share anything from your perspective.
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You just shared something. A podcast. A podcast we had
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listened to this morning that we found interesting.
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And let's mention what it was. It was Mel Robbins' podcast. Right.
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And her guest was Dr. Todd Rose.
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Dr. Todd Rose.
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And he's written a great book that is getting a
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lot of buzz about conformity and compliance and And it
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really prompts the discussion about authenticity and the collective illusion,
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if you would, of what is real and what is
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really created by the collective, whatever that collective is.
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Because we're so connected now with our devices and the internet,
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and especially social media, which is what he talks about
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the most. I'd recommend everyone go listen to it. We're
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not going to rehash the, podcast it was a great
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podcast though but um as he's talking about those things
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it shows the influence of how you know we as
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we get this hive mind kind of thing going on
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and we think that everyone's thinking a certain way when
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the reality is is the vast majority of people are
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not thinking that way but social media leans toward.
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That right so his study because he has a think
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tank called populace and his study has shown that we
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are more similar than we are different yes And while
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we may be feeling very divided, that when asked questions individually,
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we still have at our core very strong similarities in
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what we believe, in what we hold as meaningful. and
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important in our lives and so from that standpoint it
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was very inspiring to think that while when we watch
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the news or we engage in social media we start
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to feel very divided that perhaps at our core what
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what we really think in private is And what we
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want in our lives is more similar.
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Right. One of the statistics that he shared on the
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podcast was that with social media, that 10% of the
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people on social media share 80% of the content that
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exists out there. And so 10% of the people who
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are sharing all the content, it's leaning toward whatever direction
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they want things from their own personal point of view,
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it to be. And so our perspective is we're witnessing that.
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80% of the content that we're witnessing, seeing, and experiencing
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is coming from a very, very small percentage, 10% of
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the people who are on it.
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And then what that leads to is the choice to self-silence.
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Yeah. Because we become... what the 80% are feeling, and
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that's just not true.
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Right, because we become convinced or we have a perspective
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that that 10% is the majority.
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Right.
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And so with your engagement, you had someone that came
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back very strongly.
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Yes.
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And you could have believed that that was the populist
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opinion of everyone.
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But it's a very... uh, closed perspective of what it,
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what it's all about. And it doesn't mean that that's
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right or wrong. It just wasn't open. And so I
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was like, Hmm, when, when I, when someone is, what
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I wanted to know, and I decided to send this through, uh,
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a Google search, actually it was a chat GPT search
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that when, when someone is unwilling to hear the opinion
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of someone else and they come from a place of, uh,
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needing to be right.
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Or to defend.
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Or to defend. What are the reasons for that? And
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it came back and said, you know, people are this
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and people are that. They can be dogmatic was one
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of the words that they used.
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Closed-minded.
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Closed-minded. And they may not feel safe outside of that
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paradigm and all those things I understand. And then I said,
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is there a word that describes it? Besides dogmatic is
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another one. But dogmatic is kind of, you know, attached
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to religion, it seems, in my opinion, it feels to
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me like it's attached to more of a religious way
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of seeing and thinking. Right.
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So you asked it, is there a psychological word? A
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psychological term. A word that's more around the psyche.
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Right. And it gave me this one. And it was
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cognitive rigidity. And I was like, whoa. I've never heard that.
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I'm sure it's been out there. But cognitive rigidity. So
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in other words, the thinking, cognitive, cognition, is a very
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rigid way of seeing things, and it has to be
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seen through a certain lens. So I started to think
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to myself, what ways do I have some cognitive rigidity
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in my life? Does that manifest for me in my life?
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Does it manifest for you in your life? How do
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you feel about that?
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Well, I immediately, when you said that, I immediately thought
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of the work that I do with corporations. And companies,
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and even with entrepreneurs, when they start to initiate change,
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and people who struggle with change, they really want things
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to be very predictable. They want to believe that it
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can always stay this way, that my work stays this way,
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the way I come to work stays this way, the
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way I do my work, the people I work with,
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everything stays the same because I then, I can predict it,
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and I know what that's like. And so as soon
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as change starts to happen, then people become very rigid.
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They start grasping and wanting to hold on to what's
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familiar because of their own resistance to change. And I
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think that's very common with a lot of people.
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really an innate human nature to want to feel safe,
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to want to feel safe. that things are predictable. It
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doesn't feel safe that things aren't predictable sometimes until you
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get willing to accept things as they are. However they
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are doesn't matter. But even then, it's like you still
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are going to be disappointed sometimes. Right.
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the way back as to our childhood. You know, we've
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met people who lived in one place, grew up with
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family and neighbors and That circle didn't change very much.
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it didn't have a lot of exposure to other beliefs
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or peoples. And with that, then people grow up with
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a certain perspective or frame that they live in. Then
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you have other people, like a military family, for example,
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that changes the norm. And children have to make new
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friends almost every year that they go to school. And
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they're not seen... the same faces, the same relatives. And
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so their world is defined by a very different frame,
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and they become more accustomed to change. And change isn't
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as challenging. It could have challenges for other reasons, but
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it is more common in their life than what perhaps
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the first example that I gave. So I immediately thought about, wow,
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that's just really interesting. This feels like, at the core.
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Change, change management, our inability or our comfort level with change.
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Yeah. And I think, you know, the fact that the
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reason that I became so curious about it was it's
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like this message that we sent out on this podcast
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was super neutral, right? It's very much just kind of
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observing what humanity is doing. It's not trying to make
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a case for anything or be right about anything. But
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it is talking about how important it is to be authentic.
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that word authentic, and every time they mentioned something about it,
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they said just authenticity. If it's just authenticity and it's
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not this, some other truth that they were attached to,
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then it was kind of discounting what being authentic was.
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person has their reasons for that. But it's being afraid
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of being authentic, being afraid of being yourself, being afraid
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of being who you feel that you are within you.
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I mean, that's one of the main broad topics that
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we're discussing constantly in this day and age right now.
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Right, and... you know, it's one of those examples of
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words matter. And so maybe understanding what authenticity means to
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that person, it would be a really good question to ask.
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Because in the podcast, it defined it very broadly that
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authenticity is showing up as who you are in that moment.
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It is very much about the present moment. So for example,
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if I grew up one way and I have changed
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or I don't prescribe to something, but I show up
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and pretend to be still that way. I'm not being authentic.
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They started off with a great example of Mel who
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said that for health reasons, she has really cut back
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on alcohol. And so she went to dinner and she was,
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you know, before she went in, she was thinking, you know,
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I don't want to have any alcohol tonight. But as
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soon as someone asked her, oh, do you want to
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have a drink? She kind of caved and said, sure,
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and then wondered why she couldn't stay in that belief
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of like, oh, why didn't I just say that, you know,
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I'm not drinking right now. I've decided to cut back.
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Whatever would have been the right answer. But she conformed.
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Meaning a social norm or whatever reason.
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Right, being a social norm or, you know, just not wanting,
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and we do it for a lot of reasons. We
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don't want someone else to feel bad. We don't want
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them to think, you know, whether it's drinking or it's,
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you know, paying the bill or, you know, giving, you know, anything.
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You know, if you think about your life, there's almost
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daily we come across things that we think, oh, I
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just gave in and did that, even though I either
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didn't want to or I don't believe in it. but
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it's just kind of keeping the peace, right? Not stirring
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the pot. And this podcast really talked about the importance
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of authenticity because it brings us to our present self
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all the time with one another.
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Right. So going back again to cognitive rigidity, I was
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trying to see where are the places in my life
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where I am resistant? I have cognitive rigidity or less
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of a willingness to change and my views about things
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and it's it's I've talked about this on other podcasts
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about not making the thing the thing in whatever way
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that that comes up each person has things that they're
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drawn to and things that that tend to resonate with
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them and that may be your religion or It may
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be your way of seeing the world. It may be
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things that you think about your political party. Lots of
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different ways for us to see that and become cognitively
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rigid about the way we see things because we feel
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like that's the direction that things need to go. And
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I think that's okay as long as you feel like
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that's the way things need to go for you and
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not everyone. That's when we start to run into problems
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is when you think that that's the way it needs
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to go for everyone. Right.
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Well, and it was even small things this weekend with
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my siblings. I was showing, my sister had asked if
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I would make sourdough bread for the, she was the
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only one that didn't make it. And so I said, sure.
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And I had my recipe and I was interacting with
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Jackie because she makes sourdough bread. You had your start.
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I had my starter and my scale. And so I'm
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explaining it all based on the rules.
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Soup and bread.
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You know, soup and bread. But I'm still explaining it
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based on this many grams and this and that. And
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I said, you know, Jackie, is this similar to what
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you do? And her answer was very different. She said, oh,
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I just kind of eyeball it.
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Yeah. It was great.
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And my sister said, oh, you know, kind of how
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do you do that? Because it was becoming a little overwhelming.
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For my older sister to have like the scale and
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kind of my rules approach to it. And she's like, oh,
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I don't know if I'm going to be able to
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do this. And then to have this really other extreme
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end of it where my sister Jackie said, yeah, I
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make it all the time and I just kind of
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eyeball it. And so now the truth, it lies somewhere
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between me and my recipe and Jackie and her ability
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to eyeball it. And both of us make bread that
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turn out Amazing and beautiful. So the result is not different.
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It's the way we're approaching it. And I started to
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notice that I needed permission to step away from the recipe.
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Step away from the recipe.
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I love that. And so that's cognitive rigidity, right?
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Absolutely.
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Because here I am believing that the only way I
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can have it turn out right is is by following
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the recipe. But yet here's another living example of someone
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who eyeballs it and it turns out right all the time.
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So the approach is not, both approaches work.
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I'm just having an epiphany again. You know, as you're talking,
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I'm just sitting here and I'm like, well, this is
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what happens to me in music because there are a
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lot of people who are, in that rigid space of
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how they play music and how it shows up and
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it needs to be this and it needs to be perfect.
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And I'm pretty much the polar opposite of that.
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Well, you know, and it doesn't make anyone wrong. What
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happened is that kind of kept being the theme. We
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then talked about going through things, you know, like, okay,
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we're all trying to downsize, downscale, clean out closets and garages.
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And so we were talking about the need to go
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through things. before things are donated or given away or
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thrown away. And there was another theme there. And I said,
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I have a really hard time. Things that are still
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very useful, I have a super hard time giving them
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away without first checking with everyone else in my family
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to see if someone in the family needs it. And
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that puts a lot of pressure on me to do that. Because,
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you know, I, it takes coordination, it takes effort, if
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people aren't getting back to me, and I need to
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get it done. And I said, I just really need
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permission to say, if anyone in the family needed anything,
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that let me know. And I can just give this
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stuff away. But again, there was that permission thing. And
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my sister Jackie had the same thing. She said, you know,
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it's hard for her to give things away. She wants
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to give it to someone she knows is going to
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use it and care for it. And even though she
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doesn't use it still. So it was really fascinating. And again,
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all of this is, all of these are examples of
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that cognitive rigidity, right? Yeah. That we're rigid in the
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way we're thinking, which is limiting us. And it's also
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bringing pain to us. Now it's not pain like torture
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or trauma, but it, it limits just how easy we
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move through the world on a day to day basis.
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You know what I found fascinating is that, um, You
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and Jackie, your sister Jackie, are both kind of in
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that same place where you want to be able to
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go through everything before you give it all away. And
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her husband, Nick, and I are in the same place
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where we're ready to back a truck up, put everything
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in it, and take it away.
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But there could be one thing that is meaningful.
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I understand the reasoning. But then there's Delene and Sid, Delene,
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your sister, who she's with. Me and Nick on that.
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Right.
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And Sid is the other one. Now Sid is the
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one that's doing it like you. He wants to go
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through everything. Right.
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He doesn't want to lose a treasure.
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Right. So this isn't necessarily a family thing. No. It
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was a learned behavior that all your sisters are this way.
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Right.
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And your brother. But it's each individual sees it that way.
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And it's interesting because it seems to be one or
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the other.
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So coming full circle then is, It has nothing to
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do with how we live our lives, our belief structure.
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It's more the way you show up, right?
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Right.
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And so for us showing up in our daily lives,
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daily chores, daily tasks, or how you show up in music,
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like you said. So that cognitive rigidity can really prevent
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you from showing up And experiencing more joy. Openness. Openness,
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receptivity to others, curiosity to others.
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Joy.
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Yeah, I said that from the beginning, right? Joy. And
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just what does that mean?
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Being okay with it not showing up the way you
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expect it to.
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Right, because when I was making the sourdough bread, and
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Jackie was like, well, just put a little more water
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in it. My hands almost started to shake. To imagine,
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because I thought, what if I ruin the starter and
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then we ruin the bread and we're having this expectation
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of bread with soup for dinner?
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Right.
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And so all of that had like a downward... The story,
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the spiral. A downward impact, right? So now think of something,
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here's a person in life that has that downward spiral about, well,
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this is why I do this so that at the
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end of my life, I have this. And then that
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guarantees this or that or this. So we all have
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that sort of downstream impact in our lives if what
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I'm doing right now doesn't stay as I want it to.
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And I think that's the unknown. And that's the degree
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of safety that comes in our story that we say
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this is life. And then when change comes, all of
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that starts to become That's the degree of unknown. It
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starts to shift. And people are, you know, it's like, well,
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I don't know if I can make bread without a recipe.
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You know, Jackie, I think I could blindfold her and
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she probably could make bread. Now there's a part of
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me that would love to have that level of intuition
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and trust myself just to do that. And I thought,
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I'm going to start trying that. eyeballing it and seeing
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and just that's a next step for me to be
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liberated to that level.
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Well it's interesting as we're talking about this because you
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know you go back to the teachings of buddhism and
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eastern philosophies and they talk about how we create our
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own suffering this is how we do.
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It right and i would never think making bread makes
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me suffer but like i said making it Someone else's
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way other than my own might.
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If you're feeling anxious, are you suffering?
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Yeah, that's what I said. And yet at the same time,
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her way feels so liberating, right? Like, oh, all I
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need are just these three ingredients. I don't need a scale.
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I don't need a measuring cup. In fact, I loved
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how Sid, my brother-in-law, said his mother had this yellow cup.
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Do you remember this story?
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No.
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He said she had this yellow cup in the cupboard,
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and it was the only cup she used for baking.
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So whether the recipe was a cup, a half a cup, two-thirds, three-fourths,
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she had one cup.
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She was always using the same one.
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And she was always using the same one, estimating those measurements. Wow.
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And then all of a sudden, her daughter goes to
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Home Ec and comes home, and now they've got to
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buy like all these tools this set of measuring cups
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of cups now there's five cups instead of lenore's one
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cup and then there's these five spoons and he said
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you know she took out of the her kitchen drawer
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and what the spoon they ate with was the teaspoon
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and the bigger spoon you know so all of a
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sudden Different definitions were making things more cognitive. It was
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building rigidity. And maybe this is part of the illusion.
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Maybe. Absolutely.
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That all of a sudden it has to be more
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black and white. It has to be more defined. It
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has to be more sure and less absolute versus estimated.
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But the one cup won't work anymore.
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It doesn't feel safe for some of us when it's not.
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spelled out and for others of us it feels as
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the word you used was liberating when we can allow
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ourselves to just be present with what is estimating is
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okay guessing is okay non-perfection is okay the playing of
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music which is where I have gone in a way
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that's Not perfect. Absolutely not perfect.
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Well, I think it's because you're using more completely your
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other senses. I think, you know, Jackie, I'm using my
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mind when I'm following a recipe. Jackie's using her touch.
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Yes.
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She's feeling the consistency in the dough. She's looking at it.
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She's using sight. The last thing she's using is her mind.
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Right. She's using her intuitions.
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She's using her intuition and her other senses. Like I said,
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her touch and her just estimating.
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Since we're touching on intuition, let's talk about that for
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just a second before we close because I think that's
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the voice that we really have to learn to trust
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more and listen to more. And we don't see the
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results of listening to our intuition unless we're willing to
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do it. when we start to do it and listen
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to our intuition you start to recognize that when you
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listen to your intuition it doesn't mean you're right all
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the time but it does mean that you're following your
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feelings and as you learn how to follow your feelings
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and recognize when it's not coming from your mind and
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your head and your thinking but coming from some other
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place in a place where you're trained to be as
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still and present not in cognitive rigidity but in a
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very very fluid way of being That when we have
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intuition or insight as to what we need to do,
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something we need to do in our lives, something in
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this world of form that we need to accomplish, some task,
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we can feel what it is that we need to
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do from a place that's different from thinking it or
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from our mind or from the cognitive way of accomplishing it.
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When we do that, there's a resonance, I feel, that's
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emanating around us all the time You can call it
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whatever you want. Spirit. That will help us walk through
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life the way we were meant to walk through life.
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Instead of trying to think it through and figure it out.
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Right. And I do think intuition is closer to spirit.
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It's something that is in the body, but not of
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the body. And then mind is... that thinking cognitive pre,
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you know, prefrontal cortex and.
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All of that, the equation solver and the.
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Ego, right? The mechanism of ego that keeps us, that
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we were gifted when we came into form in order
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to stay safe. So, you know, we talk, we've talked
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a lot in other podcasts about bridging those two worlds
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and that humanity is coming more and more now where
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we're bridging those even further. Yeah. And, It was interesting.
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I was watching a clip this morning about Gary Zukav
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talking about, you know, when we die, the ego mind
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dies because the mind stops. But that intuition, that part
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of spirit goes on. And so when we can tap
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more actively into that while living, then I think we're
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living from a different space, whether people call that a
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higher vibration, it's definitely a different perspective when it comes
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from our intuition than when we're relying on mind and
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the physical part of us, the ego part of us
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that is all part of our physicality, our form that
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is only for this time. And that part, you know,
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it's just these gentle promptings to say, if I'm going
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to exercise a muscle today, am I going to exercise
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the muscle of intuition or my skill of intuition, or
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am I going to go deeper into my mind? And
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this weekend with my siblings has really been a very
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gentle call to, again, let go of my thinking and
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try to live more in my feeling and intuition and
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more spirit-driven self than my mind self.
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Yeah. I love it.
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So maybe I have to start playing music with you, honey.
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Oh, why not?
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I'm game. Are you?
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Absolutely. You know that. All right. So... With that being said,
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I think we'll wrap this up. You got something else?
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No, I just think you should maybe give a prompt
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for as people listen to this and they go the
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week of hearing this podcast, give them maybe a challenge
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for the week of something that they should do after
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they've listened to this.
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I think do what I recognized. Ask that question to yourself.
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Where is it in my life that cognitive rigidity comes up?
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Or is it that I am rigid in my cognition,
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in my thinking, where I'm not safe if I'm outside
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of that? And it can be in anything in your life.
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It can be something at work. It can be something
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in your belief system. It can be something in your
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political beliefs.
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Your relationships.
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Relationships. So many different ways that you can look at it.
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And we'd love to hear from you. So drop that
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in the comments on the podcast. Or reach out to us.
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Go on to our social media. You can find us
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all out there. All the links will be in the podcast.
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And let's hear from you. And we'll put links to
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that podcast from Mel Robbins in here so that you
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can access that and listen to it. Highly recommended.
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Yes, highly recommended.
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Really good podcast. Dr. Todd Rose was the guest. Anything else, Bernie?
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No.
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That's it? All right. So until next time. Bye. If
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in the world today. There's been so much separation and
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we want to find a way to create conversations where
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we can come together not divide so much as we
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have been to learn to come together in unity. Thank you.
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