Episode 280: Interview with Scott from Washington

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The following presentation Isndel Marvis Studio's production. Welcome back to
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truth Secrets from around the world. It's time for another
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edition of the Flatterarth Files podcast. I'm your host, as always,
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George Hobbs. As we are recording on this July first,
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twenty twenty six. I hope everybody is doing well. Before
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we get started, please do stop by our website, Foundations
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that is fe filesguest at gmail dot com. All the
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links will be in the show description. Without any further ado,
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we are going to bring on today's special guests. Joining
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us from the Pacific Northwest is Scottie. Good morning, sir,
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How are you?
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I'm good, George, how are you doing?
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It's good brother, and it's good to finally meet you
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in person. I think we've been chatting back and forth
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since March, so yep, yeah, when we finally connected, and
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it's great to have you on it. Before we get started.
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Please do take a few moments and introduce yourself to
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the audience.
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All right, we'll do. Mind if I pray first.
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I'd appreciate that. Brother, Thank you.
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I loark God, I just thank you for this opportunity. Lord.
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I pray that you'd bless George and all that he
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does strengthen him. I pray that the words that come
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out of my mouth would just be glorifying to you, Lord,
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and that you would be in the midst of this
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conversation that it would bear fruit that would glorify you
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in your name.
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Amen, Amen, thank you brother.
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Yeah. So yeah, I'm Scotti. My friends call me Scotty.
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I go by Scott too. But anyway, yeah, happy not
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Pride month July first, right, yes, sir, h do you
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mind if I give a shout out to all the
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Australians listening?
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Absolutely?
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How's it going, guys, hope you can hear me? Okay
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with all the blood running to your head.
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And we do. I think Australia is I think the
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number three or four top listen to nation, you know, US, Canada,
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England and Australia. I think we actually might even have
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more in Australia than England. We have a huge listenership,
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so big shout out right there.
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Yeah, I've heard quite a few of them on here before,
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so good stuff. I just wanted to say that I
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feel honored to be on your podcast. I feel like
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you do a great job and everything that you do,
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and I feel like you've had a lot of smart
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and courageous people on here. So it's just really cool
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to be able to step on with you and kind
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of have a conversation. This is probably the first conversation
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that's more in depth that I've had with anybody about
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flat Earth. So far, it's been with not people of
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like mind, so it's cool.
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Yeah, And that's something that I think people really appreciate
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because for many of us, including myself outside of my wife,
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not really able to have an in person conversation. Sure,
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there's chat rooms and reddits and things of that nature YouTube,
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but to be able to sit down and look at
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somebody face to faith, even if it's not in person,
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it's nice to have that kind of conversation.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, So tell us a little bit about your journey.
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So it's so. I'm forty two as born in on
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June twenty first, nineteen eighty four. So I grew up
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in Oregon, in Rogue River, which is about forty miles
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north of the California border, and so grew up like
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hunting and fishing with my family. My great grandfather had
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a gold mine in the mountains between Oregon and California
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where we'd go every summer and spend a lot of
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time up there. All my family lives down there in Oregon.
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So going through school, had a difficult time. There's a
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lot of bullying. Never was a really good student. I
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was basically a sea average. Never really questioned authority or
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what I was being taught all the way through school.
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So it's kind of hard for me to talk about myself.
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I do have like a problem with ego, and I've
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had to check that quite a bit, So like saying
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the words I and me, it's it's it's not the
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easiest thing for me just to be honest, but anyway,
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I know this is how it kind of goes, so
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I'll get through the me story. I've always been like
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really creative. Like the the classes that I loved in
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school were you know, artistic drama, you know, anything to
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do with creativity. I really liked always loved reading, movies, games,
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and my favorite genre is like sci fi fantasy type stuff.
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Grew up going to church in Calvary Chapel. I'd go
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every Sunday with my mom learning the Bible, always always there.
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And it's interesting that my pastor growing up, he was
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a very solid man of the Bible, loved to teach
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x you know, expositorily, if that's a word. But he
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was also very interested in science and cosmology and space,
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and he was always telling us like, you know, how
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many earths can fit in the sun. We're just a
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spec in a spec on a spec. The universe is
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amazing and that's the way God created it. So I
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kind of grew up learning that also. So anyway, yeah,
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through school was difficult. I remember reading Fahrenheit four fifty
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one when I was a freshman in high school, and
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I really remember loving that book just the way it
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was written, and that was kind of if I could
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put up point on where my mind kind of opened
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up into, like, Okay, things could be different than what
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they are, I guess it would be kind of with that.
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And because there was a lot of parallels the way
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Ray Bradberry wrote that book and what we see today
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as far as like politics and entertainment and things like that.
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So that was like a kind of a light bulb.
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I guess you could say moment, if just a really
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faint one, because I was just a freshman in high
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school and I never questioned anything like I said. And
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then in like ninety seven or ninety eight, I moved
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up here from Oregon. I live about thirty forty minutes
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north of Seattle, and my dad got a job as
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a well he's always been a power lineman, but he
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got a job up here, and so we moved up
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when I was a sophomore in high school, and I
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was a senior in high school when nine to eleven happened.
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I remember seeing it on the TV in the morning
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before I went to school, like seeing one of the
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towers smoking, and then getting to school, I was in
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my art class and seeing the towers fall. That was
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a crazy morning. I remember all the kids around me
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were just didn't really understand what was happening, and I
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didn't either to a degree, but I knew it was serious,
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but a lot of people were making jokes about it,
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and I thought that was odd and sad, even as
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a senior in high school. But after high school. Hopefully
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I'm not being too long winded with this, but after
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high school, I started working. I was a roofer for
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a while, and I kind of got into a partying
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phase and drinking a lot, and did construction for a
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long time up until two thousand and eight. But yeah,
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I was roofing and doing construction and you know, doing
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the party scene and drinking. But I was also still
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into church and really into music, playing bass on the
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church's worship team kind of in that time frame. Not
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always like overlapping, but played guitar on the worship team
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in my local church for about eight years or so.
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Always loved music. And then the housing crash hit in
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two thousand and eight, and I went into manufacturing because
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I couldn't get any work doing what I was doing.
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And in that time I had a son with a
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woman that I wasn't married to at the time, and
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he was born in two thousand and nine, and a
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couple of years after that, me and his mom got married,
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and I remember one funny thing. I don't know if
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it's funny, it's just poignant in my mind. We got
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married and we had our honeymoon in Hawaii, and that
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was in two thousand and nine, two thousand, right around there.
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But on our honeymoon, we went and saw the movie
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Contagion on our honeymoon, and I know, you bring that
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movie up a lot, so I just, you know, that's
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a a kind of a core memory in my mind,
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like who goes to a movie on their honeymoon in Hawaii?
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But we did anyway, So really the beginning of my
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journey to the truth happened around COVID. My son was
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diagnosed with Crohn's disease when he was four, and he
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had a really difficult time in twenty twenty with his
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digestive system and the Crohn's disease and he had a
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flare up. So he was in the hospital right around
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the middle to the end of COVID, probably closer to
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the middle of COVID, and with with everything that they
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had in place as far as being at the hospital
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with somebody in Washington state, I don't know about other states,
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but you could only have one person in the hospital
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room at any given time. And he was in the
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hospital for forty five days. So I would go to
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the hospital with him on weekends, and his mom was
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there with him on weekdays. So In that time, me
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and him really bonded. I got him a PlayStation five
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because we're both gamers, and we just like got real
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close during that time. And at the same time, well,
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he got out of the hospital, and it was right
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around the time when they just started saying that it
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was okay for twelve and over or anyway kids to
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be able to get the shot, and through that ordeal
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with him being a month and a half in the hospital,
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I really wanted to reach the vaccine because I was
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I was not like I had no idea about vaccines,
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good or bad. Both my kids I have a daughter
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also that's three years younger than him, but they were
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all fully vaccinated when they were kids, when they were younger,
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and then this one's comes along and a lot of
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people are talking about it, so I decide, Okay, I'm
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going to research this because he just spent a month
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and a half in the hospital, so I want to
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be sure that this isn't going to be something that's
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bad for him. And in doing that research, I realized, Okay,
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there's quite a bit of information that I had no
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idea about concerning vaccines and what they actually are, which
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I believe is you know, basically a weapon depopulation whatnot.
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So you know, I told him, you're not getting the vaccine.
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I told my daughter, you're not getting the vaccine. Told
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my wife you're I don't want you to get the vaccine,
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but she'd already taken one dose and said, basically, my body,
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my choice. And that was kind of the anyway, I
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got divorced after that during COVID. Uh so, yeah, that's
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kind of what started me on the truth journey. My
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friend I had a good friend named Tony who still
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is a good friend. We don't keep in touch, but
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he was the one that kind of started me on,
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like you should look into these vaccines. And I was
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trying to quit smoking at the same time, and I
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was taking Chantics, which is made by Visors.
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That's the one Ray Liotta was doing the advertisements for.
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Right, I'm not sure. I hadn't really seen any advertisements
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for it before that, but I just knew I wanted
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to quit smoking.
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So yeah, that was h The last thing he did
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before he passed was those Chantis commercials.
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Is that right?
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Yeah?
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Oh yeah, they I mean they help. Uh yeah.
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I wasn't saying anything that. It was just interesting that
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that's what he used to quit smoking. He he was like,
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you know, smoking since he was twelve.
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Okay, well, uh yeah, I took him quit smoking for
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a while and then I started again. But that's here
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an oder there. But yeah, my friend Tony, he was
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telling me to not to look into the vaccines and
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but he was also talking about like flat earth and
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NASA at the time. But I wasn't ready to hear that.
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Were you going to say.
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Something, Oh, no, you're You're doing just fine.
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Okay, hopefully I'm not being too wordy about uh yeah,
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so uh, anyway, that'll happened. Got divorced. I had worked,
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I had started working at both in twenty eleven, and
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then fast forward to twenty twenty one, when all this
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was going on. At Boeing, they were telling us that
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you need to be vaccinated by December eighth, twenty twenty,
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twenty twenty, or you're going to lose your job because
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they had a contract with the government, right, And so
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I knew I wasn't going to take it. And I
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was fed up with taking putting on a mask every
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day and wearing a mask in a manufacturing environment where
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everybody's just real close together in airplanes, it just all
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of it seemed very ridiculous to me. So I got
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fired from Boeing because I told him I wasn't going
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to put on a mask anymore. Also because I knew
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I wasn't going to be taking the vaccine before the
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end date. So I got walked out November of twenty twenty.
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tumultuous time in my life. I feel that was really
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the awakening to like what's going on in the world. Actually,
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me about flat Earth and at that point I wasn't
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ready to receive it or even look into it. I
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just knew that, yeah, you were right on the vaccine,
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so you're probably right on other things, but I'm just
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not ready for that yet. But it was always in
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the back of my mind. And anyway, fast forward a
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little bit. I did two years of door to door
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sales in between Boeing and where I work now, which
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is SpaceX, and I started looking into flat Earth because
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my son told me that his friend had told him
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that I was crazy like conspiracy theorists about vaccines, and
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he had told my son the term your dad's a
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flat earth or somehow, and I'm like, why does he
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think that I'm a flat earther. So that kind of
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got me into like, Okay, I'm gonna look into this
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just so I can say, yeah, you're I'm not a
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flat Earth. So I started looking into it, and I
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see things that I can't disprove and things that I
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can observe, you know, in real life, in real time,
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and it just all made sense and it kind of clicked.
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at Startling at SpaceX. I worked for Startling but which
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is part of SpaceX obviously. So yeah, I mean that's
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kind of the journey. That's quite I started, Oh, go ahead.
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That's gonna say. That's quite a journey. And you've touched
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on many things, and I just want to kind of
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go back and mention a few things before we continue
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on first and foremost. I actually didn't read Fahrenheit four
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fifty one until one of my first courses in community,
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well wasn't community with my associates, where we read Fahrenheit
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four fifty one, and it immediately you really understood. It's
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a dystopian but I think it's also truth uh in
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disclosure as well. I think there is coming a time
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you just look at twenty twenty where if you're not
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politically correct, you were shut down thought control, freedom of speech, control,
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deep platforming. And that's why I always encourage everyone, if
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there's a book that means a lot to you, you
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better get a physical copy because to me, the firemen
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who you know, came in and burned the books. It
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was a literal sense in the fifties when it was written. However,
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in this day and age, it's just a literal You know,
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all these digital books on Kindle or whatever platform, they
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can just be disappeared instantly.
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Yeah, yeah, for sure.
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What was the other one?
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I don't have many all my books are digital. I
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listened to a lot of books off of Audible.
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a week after you stopped back in August. I think
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it was yeah, yeah, I realized that you're I listened
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to your last podcast in that at that time, and
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I was like, oh man, I just started listening to
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this and now it's gone, but I listened to that one,
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and then I went back and I listened to all
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the other interviews that you did, and yeah, when you
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came back on, I decided, you know, I feel kind
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of led to just hop on. You know.
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these conversations and read and it's just the lie is
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so big, and it really goes to show how important
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the psychological warfare is against us to get people to
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automatically defend something they have no knowledge of whatsoever. If
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you walk up to somebody and you mentioned flat earth,
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they laugh at you. But if you ask them the
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most basic of questions of heliocentrism, they're clueless to it.
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Yeah. Yeah, and the terrifications are huge.
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I did a podcast two hours before we came on,
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like ten o'clock this morning, just a thirty minute one
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strictly from the Bible. And you know, I hear all
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the time pastors, and again I'm not questioning their heart.
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They're good people, good servants. They preach to be a
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Brian and you know, follow the word of God, test
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everything against the word of God. Yeah. The Bible is
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a geocentric book, period, flat out. End of story. It's
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not even up for debate. So if we are going
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to do those type of things, it's all or nothing.
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Yeah, yep, for sure, what kind of side? Go ahead?
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No, you go ahead. I didn't mean it.
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I was just going to say I've listened to quite
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a few books on audible since starting your podcast. Moon
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Man by Bart Sebrell, Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon by
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David McGowan, Great one, The Moth and the Iron Lung
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Forrest McCready. The FLM Looked Like Clowns by Paul Stobbs,
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one of the guys that came on your podcast. I
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read his book Mark gober And Into the Upside Down Cosmos,
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which was really really good. And I'm currently listening to
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Dissolve Dissolving Illusions by Susan Humphrees. It's about vaccines.
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, yeah, yeah, that is something.
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Go ahead. Sorry, there's just a little delay. It's not
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me cutting you off.
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Go ahead, Oh no, worries. There was one verse that
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I wanted to share that I kind of feel helps
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me with the truth journey, and it's First Corinthians one
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twenty seven. For God to've chosen the foolish things of
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this world to confound the wise. I just I feel
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like a lot of flatters are scene is crazy and uneducated.
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they're wise in their own eyes because they have gone
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to college for four or five years and have spent
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how knows how much on a degree. But you know,
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I think true wisdom is just you know, comes from God.
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give me wisdom, Like when my son was just coming
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out of the hospital and I was looking at the vaccines.
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I remember praying, Lord, just give me wisdom on this,
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and he definitely did, so.
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Amen to that. And that book by Suzanne Humphreys, what
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a great book and one of the greatest lies. Is
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this whole anti vaxxer movement just started like within the
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last twenty or thirty years. It's been going on since
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the early before this country was even formed. And I'm
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trying to find There was a sermon from seventeen twenty two,
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so three hundred year old sermon that was given by
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Reverend Edmund Massey, and it was about how evil vaccines were.
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It was entitled the Dangerous and Sinful Practice of inoculation sinful.
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It's man's way, in Satan's way of saying that God
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didn't create you perfectly. The whole thought of putting vitamin
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K in a child before their body is ready to
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adat to it, on and on and on. This isn't
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anything new. This has been going on since the birth
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of inoculations. And that's the thing. Whether you're anti vax
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or and that's another term like flat earth, we're not
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anti vax We're just we're fine. We don't need that protection.
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If we need it, God would have given it to us.
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And by the way, God put us here for x
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amount of time as well. When God calls us home,
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there's a reason for it. I know people don't like
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to hear that, but that's the truth. It's so diabolical vaccinations.
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And when you find out the truth about it, it's
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like flat earth, you feel fool. Do you feel angry
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at yourself because my older children were vaccinated as well?
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Praise the Lord. My grandchildren aren't their homeschooled healthy life.
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You know, That's why I prayed today at the end
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of the podcast I recorded earlier, I just pray for
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the scales to fall from the eyes of men before
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the tribulation comes, because there's a lot of diet Christians
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out there, brother, who just think showing up to church
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and checking the box is going to keep them prepared
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enough against the spiritual warfare that we deal with every day.
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Yeah, it's definitely an upside down that world that we
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live in.
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Yeah, what kind of I guess we'll start with vaccines first.
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What kind of luck have you had giving that knowledge
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to other people? Do you get shut down just as
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quickly with flatter Earth and everything else.
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When it comes to a vaccine. I don't know. I'm
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kind of uh, not really an extroverted person when it
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comes to like bringing up subjects like that with people.
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Normally I just keep information to myself.
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Yeah, Yeah, it's it's not easy, especially with those type
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of topics I said in the in the interview I
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did with the Bad Takes, Folks, nobody wants to wake
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up in the morning and and we're the title of
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flat Earth or right, nobody wants to be mocked and
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made a joked about. But at the end of the day,
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if if i'm if I can prove something from the
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Word of God, then you're you're not only mocking me,
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you're mocking the creator as well.
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Right. I liked what you said in your last episode.
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You said something about if you're really a uh, everybody
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wants to be a Borean until they it goes against
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your beliefs. Yep, yeah, I thought that was really good.
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That's true, it really is.
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And again, I know there's a lot of good hearted
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pastors that use that term often. And then when you
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show them something that isn't debatable that there's something in
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there that and again that's the magic of the human psyche.
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Is it's so interesting? Why can't they see it? And
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we were all there too? Is it like you, it
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was planted there for a while and it just you
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weren't ready to accept it. What is that block though?
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Is it we don't want to be known as a
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flat earther or because you would think we'd want to
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know the truth, no matter how bitter it tastes. But
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there are certain subjects people refuse to look at.
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Yeah, it's true. Like I'll give breadcrumbs to people here
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and there, Like with the topic of vaccines, I have
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hold my like close family and close friends about it obviously,
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and I'd say most of them pretty much agree with
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me now. But yeah, with the subject of flat Earth,
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I tend to, you know, drop breadcrumbs, like they say.
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I've had some extensive conversations with one of my good friends,
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and you know, I've told my family about it, and
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they I feel like I able to articulate what it
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is and I get like, provide the scripture to back
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it up, but they're just not ready, like I wasn't ready.
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So yeah, it's like you tell someone and then God
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will reveal it to him when he wants to reveal
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to them.
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I guess, you know, sadly, I I've seen a lot
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of pastors, you know, if you go to Protestia, that
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they curate videos or harvest videos from these really out
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of touch churches who believe a lot of the Bible.
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They just don't really understand the world today. And you know,
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this applies, but this doesn't apply. And that's such a
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dangerous stance to take it. You know, everything is the
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inspired word of God or it's not. And I'm just
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seeing in this day and age, in twenty twenty six,
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people just picking and choosing what they want. The people,
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you know, saying things about Paul and what love is,
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but not just it's really twisted to see how Satan
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has infiltrated all of these churches. And I'm not here
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to say I'm the end all be all, but some
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of these churches are just way out there. And I
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can tell you by the amount of emails I get
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from people who are so discouraged with the churches in
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their area, I know it's not just me who struggles
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with finding a good, solid church.
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Yeah. Yeah, I've been trying to get plugged in with
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the church. For most of my life. I was a
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church every Sunday. I've just kind of gotten off track
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with that just because of life. And but yeah, finding
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a good church is a difficult thing to do.
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Yeah, it certainly can be. Let's talk about if you can.
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You know SpaceX that they have three divisions. They have
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the space right, they have the star Link, which is
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you know, internet satellite, and then they have the AI
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as well, which you know, these data centers take up
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a lot of resources as well. And I'm sure do
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you see the compartmentalization like we see in these big
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corporations like NASA or in the military, the compartmentalization there
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as well.
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Yeah, definitely, Like I go to work and basically, I
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see SpaceX and NASA is kind of pretty close. I
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don't know the inner workings at the top, but you know,
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I come to work to make a paycheck to feed
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my kids. I don't know what's going on in the
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upper boardrooms. Yeah, compartmentalization is definitely real. Like, I work
481
00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:38.119
with a lot of good people that they come to
482
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work and do the same thing that I do, just
483
00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:46.839
to you know, take a paycheck home. It is interesting,
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like we'll sit around the TV and watch launches, and
485
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when I watch a launch like it, I can see
486
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:03.279
the crazy power of the rocketry. But then at a
487
00:33:03.319 --> 00:33:07.920
certain point it cuts to the CGI and I'm just
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00:33:08.119 --> 00:33:11.960
watching a cartoon from that point on, So like I'll
489
00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:15.000
look around. I don't watch the launch anymore. I look
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00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:17.039
around the room and watch the faces of the people
491
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watching the launches. You know.
492
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So yeah, sorry, go ahead.
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It's definitely interesting with the neurolink, SpaceX and Tesla and
494
00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:39.039
X and how they're all kind of converging. It's interesting
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being working at a place like this and being somebody
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00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:54.960
that understands like real cosmology and the firmament, and it's
497
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kind of like, what, why does God have me working here?
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At this time.
499
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Yeah, that's a great thought.
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I don't know.
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You know a lot of people, I get a lot
502
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of emails, and I mentioned on that podcast yesterday. I
503
00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:11.280
guess it was that that I did have a guy
504
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:15.320
who came on anonymously. I forget if he was NSA
505
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:18.360
or something like that, but he said that the these
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00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:22.559
links were nothing more than bouncing off the firmament, and
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00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:25.039
that's something that I always I had always thought about.
508
00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:27.360
And I said, well, that makes perfect sense. I don't
509
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:29.199
know if that's something that you've ever thought about.
510
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:37.599
Yeah, I think that was really recent, wasn't it. Anyway,
511
00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:43.519
I just heard something about, Yeah, the bouncing off the firmament.
512
00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:48.199
I've looked a lot about, looked into a lot of
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00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:53.880
like Sadaloon type things. Sure, Echo one was the first one.
514
00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:59.760
And yeah, I'm on YouTube a lot. There's a lot
515
00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:09.360
of I watch a lot of early NASA, like Apollo eleven.
516
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:16.440
I watch a lot of that, the just the interviews
517
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:22.239
and the post mission press briefings and the crew before
518
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:28.000
the Senate, after the moon landing, the original so called
519
00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:32.920
moon landing, and just watching their faces and seeing like
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00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:38.400
you know, there's deception, like once you understand once you
521
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:40.400
see it. You can see it in their face. Yeah,
522
00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:48.320
you know. And yeah, it's crazy how much I think
523
00:35:48.559 --> 00:35:55.280
NASA and Disney are connected because I love to go
524
00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:59.760
back and watch There's this YouTube channel called Periscope Films.
525
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:03.280
Don't know if you've heard of it or not, Yes, sir, okay,
526
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:08.400
I'll go back and watch videos from the late forties
527
00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:13.159
to the early sixties in that timeframe and the early
528
00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:22.440
Disney television. There's there was one episode from season two
529
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:28.800
of the Early Disney television and it was called Man
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00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:30.519
on the Moon or.
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00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:34.559
Yeah, that's the one Warner von Brown had a part in, right.
532
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:39.239
Yes, And I watched that whole thing and it was
533
00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:44.119
just like before the Apollo program. It was just set
534
00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:47.079
in the stage for it. And it also like set
535
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:49.800
the stage for Apollo thirteen too, because there's a clip
536
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:55.760
in that episode where there's a a problem on the
537
00:36:55.800 --> 00:37:02.000
spaceship and it just looks so familiar like Apollo thirteen.
538
00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:05.079
It was just like programming, getting the getting the country
539
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:11.599
ready for the Space program. I feel like, yeah, yeah.
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00:37:11.440 --> 00:37:14.440
If you check out that Periscope film, I'll try to
541
00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:15.920
remember to put it in the show notes. They have
542
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:19.280
a YouTube channel that's dedicated to all of those old films.
543
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:23.039
They have the old eighties, drunk driving, Call to Action,
544
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:28.519
camping in Alaska from the sixties, a trip into the
545
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:32.559
Sears Service Department from nineteen sixty one. That they have
546
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:34.559
all kinds of neat stuff from back in the day,
547
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:39.800
and of course everything with NASA and Warner von Brown
548
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:43.079
and preparing your minds. They always prepare the mind so
549
00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:47.639
when they pull the psychological operation, you're more apt to
550
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:48.159
receive it.
551
00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:55.519
Yeah, like I said when I started, I really like
552
00:37:55.639 --> 00:37:58.880
to watch more. I really did like to watch movies.
553
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:05.199
Once you understand what the earth is and our creation
554
00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:10.960
and the lies being told to us, like the fact
555
00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:14.280
that there's no space and nobody's been beyond the firmament,
556
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:19.760
and you understand the programming that comes through Hollywood, it
557
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:24.559
starts to become less enjoyable. Like it's hard to find
558
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:26.360
a movie I like to watch anymore. And I was
559
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:28.239
a huge movie buff.
560
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:32.480
Yeah, there's been one or two since twenty twenty that
561
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:36.400
the entire film industry since COVID has completely gone down
562
00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:40.239
the toilet. But even films you looked upon as decent art,
563
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:43.719
now that you're awake and everything you look at it
564
00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:48.320
as mockery. In many cases films I go back to
565
00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:50.760
to watch to learn from, you know, like The True
566
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:55.440
Man Show and they live and like you mentioned before,
567
00:38:56.440 --> 00:38:59.119
what was that contagion and things of that, And then
568
00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:02.280
when that Spielberg movie comes out, you know, I'll rent
569
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:04.840
it again so I can stop it. And I'm sure
570
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:07.119
there's a lot more symbolism that I didn't catch in
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00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:11.599
the theater, But that was one of the most open
572
00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:16.599
face slap insults that they're not even hiding their evil
573
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:19.920
anymore and people still don't understand it. I think that's
574
00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:20.960
the frustrating part.
575
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:24.840
Yeah. I meant to go see that one, but I
576
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:28.119
haven't gotten a chance to go take a look at
577
00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:34.719
it yet. But yeah, yeah, I think it's crazy. One
578
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:38.760
of the like at the beginning of movies, they have
579
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:42.480
a Universal Studio for Universal Real.
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The globe planet.
581
00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:46.719
Yeah, and that goes all the way back to nineteen
582
00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:51.280
twenty seven with the little airplanes lying around the planet. Yeah,
583
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:57.119
it's just crazy programming and it's generations long. And I
584
00:39:57.159 --> 00:40:03.159
think there's an interesting thing thing about movies. Usually at
585
00:40:03.159 --> 00:40:08.760
the very beginning of movies, there's a something they'll like
586
00:40:09.159 --> 00:40:11.880
sneak in some truth at the very beginning of movies
587
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:17.400
I've noticed. I can't think of a specific example at
588
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:20.719
the moment, but yeah, so the first part of.
589
00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:23.920
The movie is like disclosure and then they cover the
590
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:28.159
rest of it with entertainment. Yeah, that makes sense. That's
591
00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:31.280
their twisted way of saying they told us so, because
592
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:33.159
that's part of the magic with a case. They have
593
00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:36.920
to disclose what they're doing to us, and we accept it.
594
00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:40.760
And I've always said that we buy into our own demise,
595
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:47.280
we use their monetary system, just all of it. Yeah.
596
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:54.039
Yeah, one example of truth disclosed in a movie that
597
00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:58.719
I came across as My girlfriend right now loves the
598
00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:03.960
Wicked series and she's great. I love her to death.
599
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:07.320
But we went to the theater and saw that and
600
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:12.360
there's the it's the second one, Wicked two. There's a
601
00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:17.519
song that the Wizard sings and I can't remember the
602
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:19.480
name of it off the top of my head, but
603
00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:24.159
it's he's got a globe in his hands the whole time,
604
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:28.119
and he's like singing this song about how history is
605
00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:32.079
just what we want to say, or it's interesting. If
606
00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:34.000
you get a chance, look that up.
607
00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:36.400
That's a double whammy. You have the Globe, and then
608
00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:39.679
you have them saying I am happy that more people
609
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:43.559
are waking up to the textbooks mcgral Hill and Gaslainne
610
00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:48.760
Maxwell's father, Rand mcgrawl hill, and Apolo Management. And when
611
00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:51.400
you find out who is creating these history books, like,
612
00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:55.079
I was blown away. Pardon me, I mentioned I didn't
613
00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:57.079
read for a night four fifty one until I got
614
00:41:57.079 --> 00:42:03.119
into college. I had no inkling of what the USS
615
00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:07.199
liberty was until it was history too, or some advanced
616
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:09.880
history class I took. It was a paragraph about it.
617
00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:13.800
I was like, what the USS liberty? And then you know, However,
618
00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:16.559
many years later, I'm interviewing these guys on my podcast
619
00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:19.760
who were on the boat that day and describing it,
620
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:22.400
and I'm just They're like, yes, the US flag was there, Yes,
621
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:25.239
we called fifth Fleet, Yes they turned their back on us.
622
00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:27.880
And it's just when you hear it from someone who
623
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:31.360
was there, and then you've read the history books and
624
00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:33.440
you get fact check if you go on you know now,
625
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:36.400
because if you google something, it'll take you straight to
626
00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:38.760
their AI first the gatekeeping.
627
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:43.920
Yeah, the blue box, Oh my yeah, blue box. And
628
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:47.400
that's the problem. That's one of my silver bullets is
629
00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:53.079
those blue boxes you you type something into YouTube and
630
00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:56.039
if a blue box appears, maybe you should look into
631
00:42:56.119 --> 00:42:56.800
it a little more.
632
00:42:58.280 --> 00:42:59.719
The blue box on YouTube.
633
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:03.559
Oh yeah, the fact checking.
634
00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:06.199
That's right, that's right.
635
00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:10.119
Yeah, flat earth is an archaic whatever it says.
636
00:43:11.119 --> 00:43:14.159
Yeah, so I'm clicking on flat earth right now, Let's
637
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:18.440
see what comes up. Ten deniable proofs the Earth is flat.
638
00:43:18.519 --> 00:43:21.280
That's the very first one, beyond the veil. And then
639
00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:26.280
you click on it. Of course it's got a ball. Yeah,
640
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:28.360
there's the there's the blue box.
641
00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:34.039
Yeah. When I was first starting out trying to you know, disprove,
642
00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:39.760
you know, just trying to trying to in my mind,
643
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:41.800
trying to figure out one way or the other, either
644
00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:44.800
it's a ball or it's not right. That's that was
645
00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:50.360
one of the first evidences, was the censorship. I'm like,
646
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:54.320
why can't I find something that's not biased? You know,
647
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:59.039
why is it so difficult? The first one though, was
648
00:43:59.079 --> 00:44:04.800
I got on there and I wanted to see like
649
00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:09.159
pictures and video of the planet, right, And so I
650
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:12.880
got on YouTube and I typed in live feed view
651
00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:18.960
from the iss of the Earth, and I got on
652
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:22.719
there and I'm watching it. I'm like, okay, yeah, that
653
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:26.599
I don't see any problem with it. And then you know,
654
00:44:26.639 --> 00:44:30.119
I'm watching it for about maybe not even ten minutes,
655
00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:34.280
and part of the Earth comes into view in the
656
00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:37.400
small area that they give you to see the Earth
657
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:42.559
because there's still like obstructions and stuff, which is crazy.
658
00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:45.239
You should like, if it were real, you should be
659
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:50.119
able to have an unhindered open view of the Earth, right,
660
00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:54.119
But it cuts out and it cuts back in and
661
00:44:54.159 --> 00:44:57.760
it says it's offline. But anyway, I see this part
662
00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:01.719
of the Earth and it's cloud cover. And that's what
663
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:05.880
I found is the easiest way to see the CGI
664
00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:10.920
is the stitching. And it's the easiest to see when
665
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:16.079
there's cloud cover because there's this line that goes across
666
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:22.719
the face of the Earth, and half the clouds look normal,
667
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:26.199
and then half the clouds they're like in a completely
668
00:45:26.239 --> 00:45:30.679
different pattern, so you can tell it's stitching between the CGI.
669
00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:34.760
And I was listening to the Joe Rogan podcast and
670
00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:38.639
they pulled up It was so crazy because there was
671
00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:40.679
a guy on there, I can't remember his name offhand,
672
00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:46.599
but he was talking about flatter Earth and they ended
673
00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:49.880
up pulling up a YouTube video of the ISS live
674
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:51.880
feed and they saw the same thing that I had
675
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:56.239
seen like six months before, and the guy that's talking
676
00:45:56.280 --> 00:45:59.039
about flat Earth is like, what is that? What is
677
00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:02.760
that line? That's the same thing that I was seeing
678
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:06.480
and thinking, So that was just kind of cool. I
679
00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:11.480
have a roommate at home. His name well, I won't
680
00:46:11.480 --> 00:46:14.599
give you his name, but he's deaf and I'm starting
681
00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:18.440
to I'm getting pretty good at sign language, and me
682
00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:22.119
and him will have pretty good conversations about flat Earth
683
00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:27.320
and he's he's pretty much come around and like I've
684
00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:32.519
had to tell him everything that I've been learning, like oversigned,
685
00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:35.559
So it's been pretty cool. He's a good friend. But yeah,
686
00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:39.000
I showed him that stitching line and the Earth was
687
00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:42.360
like talking to him about it and the moon landing
688
00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:46.880
and all this other stuff. But yeah, have you.
689
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:49.239
Ever seen on Google Earth when they try to draw
690
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:54.840
like a circle around Antarctica? It just breaks? No, that's
691
00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:59.320
pretty I haven't. And do you think there's anything to
692
00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:01.199
to me? I think the reason they're in Antarctica is
693
00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:03.440
that's the closest they can get to the firmament, But
694
00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:07.360
do you think there's something too? There's more to the
695
00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:11.199
North Pole And I'm just using that terminology, but the
696
00:47:11.480 --> 00:47:14.840
geocentric center of the Earth than we believe, whether it's
697
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:18.280
magnet something magnetism or something like that.
698
00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:24.960
Yeah, I think so it's all just speculations. I'm I
699
00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:26.519
don't have the ability to go there.
700
00:47:26.840 --> 00:47:27.239
Of course.
701
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:30.679
I did think it was interesting not too long ago
702
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:36.239
that there's this thing on HBO or Discovery or something
703
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:38.760
like that. It was Will Smith and he goes from
704
00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:45.679
pole to pole just watching that was interesting, Like they
705
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:48.039
try to make it look like he actually went to
706
00:47:48.079 --> 00:47:50.920
a South pole and he went to the North Pole
707
00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:53.559
and it was just water and icebergs, and he's like
708
00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:56.599
in a dive suit going under the water. He's like,
709
00:47:56.599 --> 00:47:59.519
I'm at the North Pole. I don't believe it for
710
00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:03.440
a second, But I do think it's interesting that you
711
00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:06.199
can go on Google Earth and you try to look
712
00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:11.960
at Antarctica and it's all blocked out. Yeah, too many
713
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:13.199
things stone add up.
714
00:48:13.559 --> 00:48:15.559
Yeah, that goes back to us funding our own demise.
715
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:18.360
We are actively our taxpayer money is going to NASA,
716
00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:24.199
which is honestly, you know, going back to the fifties
717
00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:26.320
when they were trying to launch these rockets into the
718
00:48:26.320 --> 00:48:30.320
firmament with Operation fish Bowl, and you know, I think
719
00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:32.480
there was a lot more to World War Two than
720
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:35.400
what were led to believe. You know, Germany did have
721
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:40.440
that fleet of ships down at Antarctica. They said, Oh,
722
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:43.239
they were just down there getting you know, the whales
723
00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:46.960
for the butter or margarine or whatever it was. There's
724
00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:52.800
always more to the story and who knows.
725
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:57.440
Yeah, for sure. Antarctica came up in a discussion that
726
00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:02.559
I had with a bunch of friends not too long ago.
727
00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:08.159
It was actually a pretty interesting conversation. Uh, it was
728
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:13.320
kind of a god thing. Like I've been studying everything
729
00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:19.559
to do with flatter since August of last year, and
730
00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:23.760
I've been just collecting information. Like we talk about movies
731
00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:27.239
and you've talked about the matrix before, Like if the
732
00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:30.679
matrix were an analogy of my life, I feel like
733
00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:37.039
COVID was waking up in the pod and then getting
734
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:41.199
turned onto your podcast is like jacking into the matrix
735
00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:46.159
and just like getting information fed, you know, like learning
736
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:49.719
all this stuff, but you have to have an outlet
737
00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:56.760
and like constantly learning all all this stuff, like being
738
00:49:56.800 --> 00:49:59.519
deep down in the rabbit hole for a long time.
739
00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:06.239
I felt like I got to like tell this to people.
740
00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:11.519
So anyway, the conversation about Antarctica how that came up is,
741
00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:16.920
I'm pretty big into pickleball. I don't know, have you
742
00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:18.360
ever played pickleball.
743
00:50:18.559 --> 00:50:21.719
Once or twice? I know it's huge, you know, down
744
00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:24.679
in the Beach area especially, there's hundreds of pickleball courts
745
00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:27.199
down there that even have Major League pickleball now. It's
746
00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:28.000
a booming sport.
747
00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:32.440
Yeah. So I'm a pretty avid pickleball player. I've played
748
00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:36.280
in quite a few tournaments, like seven or eight now,
749
00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:38.360
which is kind of a small number to some people.
750
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:43.519
But I kind of coordinate WhatsApp group where I live
751
00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:49.639
up here, and it's called the Bangers. So the Bangers.
752
00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:53.599
A banger is basically a pickleball player that plays really
753
00:50:54.480 --> 00:51:01.480
kind of avidly and ferociously, doesn't any I have a
754
00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:04.280
a WhatsApp group that's got about two hundred people in it,
755
00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:09.639
and I also have a separate men's pickleball group on WhatsApp.
756
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:15.159
So it's just you know, WhatsApp is yeah messaging application.
757
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:21.519
So in order to get into this men's pickleball group,
758
00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:27.039
what we do is it's me and two other guys
759
00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:30.239
that are admin's of the group, and it's kind of
760
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:36.719
like a initiation process, I guess is what you could
761
00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:39.400
call it. So we we just started doing this thing
762
00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:43.199
called the Gauntlet of Questions. So in order to get
763
00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:45.800
into this group and get voted in by the other members,
764
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:50.840
you have to, you know, receive the invitation, get it
765
00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:54.559
into the group, and then answer all these questions. And
766
00:51:54.679 --> 00:51:58.440
it's me that is asking all these questions, and you know,
767
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:01.559
basically for the majority of it is pickleball questions, but
768
00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:05.360
then I'll throw in off the cuff other questions and
769
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:09.880
just for the heck of it, I felt led to
770
00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:15.679
be like, okay, is the earth flat around? And this
771
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:20.239
new guy that got brought into the group, he immediately
772
00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:24.920
clicked flat nice yeah, And I was just like, that's cool.
773
00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:28.920
And I know this kid, he's maybe eighteen or nineteen.
774
00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:36.440
I met him a couple of times, played together. But
775
00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:39.039
back up a little bit, before we did the questions,
776
00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:42.400
we would have guys tell an embarrassing story to get
777
00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:46.719
into the group. Well, his embarrassing story when he just
778
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:49.000
got into the group was that he got hit by
779
00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:53.000
a nasty nelson by me, which a nasty nelson if
780
00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:55.000
you don't know what that is. And pickleball, it's where
781
00:52:55.039 --> 00:52:58.159
you're serving and you don't serve it to the player
782
00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:00.119
on the right, you try to hit the player on
783
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:03.480
the left right off the bat, and so his embarrassing
784
00:53:03.519 --> 00:53:06.320
story was that he got hit by me and fell
785
00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:11.599
on his butt. So anyway, hey, he clicks flat. I'm like, ah,
786
00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:15.920
that's cool, and he's you know, nobody says anything. There's
787
00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:19.920
about thirty five guys in this group, and uh. Later
788
00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:23.000
on in the conversation, after the questions are done, he
789
00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:25.559
gets voted into the group. One of my other good
790
00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:28.840
friends says, Okay, so if the Earth were flat, how
791
00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:32.039
come you can see different stars at southern latitudes? And like,
792
00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:36.079
so I'm like, I'm not just going to let this
793
00:53:36.239 --> 00:53:39.239
kid stand on his own, so I click flat in
794
00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:43.280
the same pole question and then it just turns into
795
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:48.840
this very large conversation that lasted two days. Is basically
796
00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:54.840
a flat Earth rounder a debate, and I felt shaky
797
00:53:54.920 --> 00:53:59.280
going into it, but it really like there was a
798
00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:03.400
lot of questions and a lot of people were well
799
00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:05.719
maybe one main guy he was just like, there is
800
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:08.199
not flat what about this and this and this and this,
801
00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:13.360
you know, but it was just really cool to be
802
00:54:13.400 --> 00:54:17.480
able to like have a debate on flat Earth, and like,
803
00:54:18.519 --> 00:54:23.159
I feel like it's uh It wasn't a point where
804
00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:25.840
I was leaving breadcrumbs. It was just like I was
805
00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:30.039
stating facts like you can see over the curve there,
806
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:33.440
you can't have gas next to a vacuum. But I
807
00:54:33.519 --> 00:54:36.440
was saying, like, oh, the other thing of one of
808
00:54:36.440 --> 00:54:39.079
the guys in our group, he was flying for back
809
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:43.679
home from San Diego to Seattle, and he's like, okay, well,
810
00:54:43.719 --> 00:54:46.079
I have a level on my iPhone. I'm just going
811
00:54:46.119 --> 00:54:49.000
to put it up to the window, and everybody was
812
00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:50.760
able to see the bubble right in the middle or
813
00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:53.679
the zero, whatever the level is on an iPhone. But
814
00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:58.679
it was just really kind of cool. And he was
815
00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:01.920
getting a little bit belligerent, like you still believe in
816
00:55:01.960 --> 00:55:06.079
the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus. Yeah, so I you know,
817
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:12.599
I was very gracious and like, thank you, this is
818
00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:15.360
a great discussion. I'm having a lot of fun with it.
819
00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:18.519
And at the end of it he said, Okay, no
820
00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:21.800
more nonsense. I'm out. I'm like, all right, I appreciate
821
00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:24.039
the conversation. So it was really cool.
822
00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:28.159
You were really challenging his beliefs and he got scared.
823
00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:31.719
And that's when people they get into this weird fight
824
00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:36.360
or flight thing. With the conversation that that's not even
825
00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:40.199
physically threatening, it's mentally threatening. And they do the same thing.
826
00:55:40.280 --> 00:55:42.159
They throw a bunch of arrows at you and run
827
00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:45.480
away because they've run out of retorts to you, so
828
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:47.960
that the easy way out is just to say, oh,
829
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:50.760
you're silly. You must also believe in the tooth Fairy
830
00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:53.599
and Santa Claus. I'm out of here, right, And that's
831
00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:55.039
what people do. And you did the right thing by
832
00:55:55.079 --> 00:55:58.360
being gracious, not to you know, to pile on or
833
00:55:58.360 --> 00:56:01.760
anything like that, because we have to be gracious, you know,
834
00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:04.719
we don't gloat about the truth. We're just telling the truth.
835
00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:09.960
Right, Yeah. Absolutely. And there were points where he brought
836
00:56:10.079 --> 00:56:14.679
up things that I, you know, questions that I didn't know.
837
00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:21.239
Like he brought up okay, the stars in the southern
838
00:56:21.320 --> 00:56:24.360
latitudes and how they spin around a completely different point
839
00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:29.559
than Polaris, and another question about eclipses that I really
840
00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:34.519
didn't know the answer to, and I wasn't afraid to
841
00:56:34.599 --> 00:56:36.239
just be like, you know, the answer to your question
842
00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:39.519
is I don't know. I can find out yep, you know.
843
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:42.480
And that's what science is about it. It's man making
844
00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:47.000
up these you know, mathematical equations to make up for
845
00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:49.159
things that they don't know. But the truth is, and
846
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:51.119
this is where you have to understand, there's a spiritual
847
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:55.480
context to it. Is the Lord We're not going to know.
848
00:56:56.119 --> 00:56:59.719
To think that we can comprehend how God created the universe,
849
00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:03.960
that that's really bold of us to think. Sometimes it's
850
00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:05.360
okay to say I just don't know.
851
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:12.599
Yeah, and it's freeing you. I don't have to know everything,
852
00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:15.719
and I'm I'm cool with that. It's the guy is
853
00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:19.039
that I think they know everything. They get so upset
854
00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:22.639
and they have to have an answer for every you know,
855
00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:28.679
just you know, be humble, like there might be something
856
00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:32.159
that you don't know. And for me, yeah, there's definitely
857
00:57:32.199 --> 00:57:36.239
things that I don't know. I you know, less than
858
00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:38.719
a year ago, I knew the world was a globe
859
00:57:38.960 --> 00:57:44.159
and now no, it's not. So you just need to
860
00:57:44.199 --> 00:57:46.280
be humble and learn.
861
00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:50.400
Has that helps you that the entire veil drop, Like
862
00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:52.360
do you see everything for what it is now? Like
863
00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:55.119
the sunglasses are on and you can just see the
864
00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:56.039
world for what it is.
865
00:57:57.079 --> 00:58:05.639
Yeah, It's it's an amazing thing. Like to realize that
866
00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:11.400
I've lived, you know, forty one years on this plane
867
00:58:12.760 --> 00:58:16.760
and thought it was something when it's definitely not, and
868
00:58:17.719 --> 00:58:22.239
it's it's really cool, Like I get that, Like some
869
00:58:22.280 --> 00:58:30.480
people get really down when and kind of isolate a
870
00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:33.079
little bit, and I was at that point too, like
871
00:58:33.719 --> 00:58:37.599
when I was just getting all this information and I
872
00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:42.800
was feeling like excluded. But you know, once you understand,
873
00:58:44.679 --> 00:58:46.880
you know that God placed us here and that he
874
00:58:47.039 --> 00:58:50.679
loves us and cares about us, and he designed all
875
00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:54.559
of this for us, and like that was my mindset
876
00:58:54.719 --> 00:59:00.840
previous to understanding this. But you know, it just the
877
00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:04.519
scripture comes alive in a whole new way, like you
878
00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:08.960
really focus on what you're reading a lot more. Yeah,
879
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:15.920
and yeah, it just it kind of becomes exciting also
880
00:59:16.360 --> 00:59:21.159
in the fact that you know, for the fourth first however,
881
00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:24.239
long in my life, you know, life was just mundane.
882
00:59:24.320 --> 00:59:26.639
I hated school because I feel like in the back
883
00:59:26.679 --> 00:59:30.280
of my mind, like I don't understand this and it
884
00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:33.400
doesn't make sense to me. And now I look back, like, yeah,
885
00:59:33.440 --> 00:59:37.519
it's because it was stupid, you know, the majority of
886
00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:43.360
it besides reading, writing and arithmetic. But like once you
887
00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:48.639
understand the real the reality of where we live, it's
888
00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:54.280
life becomes a heck of a lot more interesting. I
889
00:59:54.320 --> 01:00:00.599
feel like and you know, like once COVID came and
890
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:03.960
I understood what the vaccines were and how you know,
891
01:00:04.039 --> 01:00:07.840
Bill Gates and Pfizer and all these billionaires that want
892
01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:13.400
to depopulate, you know, they're coming after people, and people
893
01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:16.840
don't understand it. It's like, okay, yeah, we have an
894
01:00:16.920 --> 01:00:22.000
enemy and there is evil in the world. So I
895
01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:30.719
don't know something about that just like fires up your heart,
896
01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:31.320
you know.
897
01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:34.519
It really does. Do you think that they would be
898
01:00:34.599 --> 01:00:36.800
able to pull that off again in our lifetime or
899
01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:38.519
do you think there's a reason they only try to
900
01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:41.199
pull that off once every hundred years, like with COVID
901
01:00:41.480 --> 01:00:43.880
or a black plague or whatever.
902
01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:48.159
If they tried it again. I don't have a lot
903
01:00:48.199 --> 01:00:51.679
of faith that people would stand up against it. I
904
01:00:51.719 --> 01:00:57.119
know I would again, even though it was very difficult
905
01:00:57.119 --> 01:01:00.639
at the time and it took me a few years
906
01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:05.400
to get back on my feet again. But uh, I
907
01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:08.760
don't know. I don't It's hard to say what people's
908
01:01:08.800 --> 01:01:15.119
mindsets are anymore. Yeah, I don't know.
909
01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:19.320
Yeah, what was it like? I think I'm sorry, go ahead, Oh.
910
01:01:20.519 --> 01:01:26.199
I think prayers are ultimate weapon. Pray that people open
911
01:01:26.280 --> 01:01:28.360
up and understand what's really going on.
912
01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:33.440
Paris powerful. We don't do it enough, that's for sure.
913
01:01:33.800 --> 01:01:36.840
When when you were you know, you'd mentioned you were
914
01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:39.880
escorted out of Boeing. How many other people do you
915
01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:42.320
recall that that stood up and said no, thank.
916
01:01:42.199 --> 01:01:48.039
You, None, just you? Yeah, just me. I remember getting
917
01:01:48.039 --> 01:01:53.039
walked out of the factory. That factory is the biggest
918
01:01:53.480 --> 01:01:56.920
building in the world as far as square footage goes.
919
01:01:57.679 --> 01:02:01.360
And I remember getting walked out two managers and two
920
01:02:01.480 --> 01:02:07.400
union stewards and I smoked on my way out. It's
921
01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:09.239
kind of like my Johnny Cash moment.
922
01:02:10.400 --> 01:02:15.199
That's hilarious. Yeah, you know what, that's interesting. You say
923
01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:18.920
that Boeing, you know, most of their money they get,
924
01:02:18.920 --> 01:02:22.320
I would venture to say, is from the military industrial complex.
925
01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:24.880
Is that fair to say?
926
01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:30.159
Yeah? I guess so. I don't. I haven't really looked
927
01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:31.000
into that too much.
928
01:02:31.840 --> 01:02:34.519
I pulled it up real quick. Lockheed Martiner and sorry,
929
01:02:34.599 --> 01:02:37.400
Lockheed Martin is number one, Boeing is number three, is
930
01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:42.440
the third largest defense contractor. So yeah, another one of
931
01:02:42.440 --> 01:02:45.719
these companies who is funded through you know, constant war
932
01:02:45.760 --> 01:02:49.719
that we've been in since you know, basically since we
933
01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:53.039
turned our money into play money. Now we have this
934
01:02:53.159 --> 01:02:55.519
endless supply we can just go into debt forever. We
935
01:02:55.519 --> 01:02:57.679
can make all the tanks and planes that we want to.
936
01:02:58.199 --> 01:03:00.199
Who cares about the debt as long as we make that,
937
01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:03.639
you know, quarterly interest payment. I didn't know that building
938
01:03:04.039 --> 01:03:05.280
was the Was that in an Oregon?
939
01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:09.960
No, that's up here in Everett, Washington.
940
01:03:10.159 --> 01:03:13.519
Oh, okay, I've been there, I think twice in my life.
941
01:03:13.599 --> 01:03:17.239
Most recent was twenty eighteen when my buddy twenty seventeen,
942
01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:20.320
twenty eighteen, my buddy were retired from what is that
943
01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:22.480
JB Joint Base McCord up there.
944
01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:25.000
Yeah, it used to be.
945
01:03:24.920 --> 01:03:28.000
Called Fort Lewis. Flew into SeaTac We were up there,
946
01:03:28.199 --> 01:03:31.360
saw the Tacoma Dome and hung out. There's very beautiful,
947
01:03:31.559 --> 01:03:33.719
which leads me to my next question. Do you guys
948
01:03:33.719 --> 01:03:35.280
get a lot of chemtrails up there?
949
01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:40.320
Yeah? And it's generally rainy the next day.
950
01:03:41.239 --> 01:03:43.719
Yeah, we see the same thing that they'll spray and
951
01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:47.079
then it's always when the pressure changes and it feels
952
01:03:47.119 --> 01:03:49.639
like just like during Operation Popeye. They used to do
953
01:03:49.679 --> 01:03:52.000
it before the precipitation and it would amplify it.
954
01:03:53.320 --> 01:03:56.679
Okay, Yeah, I see them every once in a while.
955
01:03:56.800 --> 01:04:00.599
I've seen pictures of it. Like crisscrossing the sky really bad.
956
01:04:00.639 --> 01:04:05.400
But generally it's only two or three that I see
957
01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:12.440
at the most in one day. But I noticed it. Yeah.
958
01:04:12.519 --> 01:04:15.039
That the one thing I'm looking at your email, the
959
01:04:15.039 --> 01:04:17.079
one thing we haven't mentioned yet. What do you think
960
01:04:17.119 --> 01:04:18.039
the ISS is?
961
01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:28.280
Uh, well, if you're looking at it at night, I
962
01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:31.679
think it's probably a high altitude plane with lights on
963
01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:38.519
it going across the sky. I don't know, that's a
964
01:04:38.559 --> 01:04:40.840
good question. I know there's nothing up in space because
965
01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:46.880
nobody gets past the firmament. So the other interesting thing
966
01:04:46.920 --> 01:04:50.639
about the ISS is there's nothing that has been there's
967
01:04:50.679 --> 01:04:55.519
no videos of it being built. It just appeared up there.
968
01:04:56.840 --> 01:05:03.159
And yeah, all this fake NASA videos of people floating
969
01:05:03.239 --> 01:05:07.039
on wires up there and the CGI stuff that floats around.
970
01:05:08.599 --> 01:05:12.840
It's just so crazy. Once you understand it and you
971
01:05:12.920 --> 01:05:16.159
have eyes to see that stuff, and then you try
972
01:05:16.159 --> 01:05:18.440
to tell other people about it and like, oh, you're crazy,
973
01:05:18.559 --> 01:05:21.159
Like just look at it, like look at it for
974
01:05:22.239 --> 01:05:25.079
with an open mind.
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01:05:26.159 --> 01:05:30.320
Yeah. I think one is the Lockheed U two. That's
976
01:05:30.360 --> 01:05:32.360
the one they call the Dragon Lady. I think that's
977
01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:37.000
the one that can fly seventy thousand feet.
978
01:05:38.960 --> 01:05:45.800
Yeah, and if you google it.
979
01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:47.920
The primary users is the CIA.
980
01:05:48.519 --> 01:05:58.400
So there you go, right, Uh one thing that uh
981
01:05:58.800 --> 01:06:01.639
nobody else. Well, I'm sure it's been mentioned on here before.
982
01:06:01.679 --> 01:06:05.320
But that old movie A Trip to the Moon. Have
983
01:06:05.320 --> 01:06:08.679
you seen that obviously, I'm sure you have. Yeah. Yeah,
984
01:06:08.760 --> 01:06:14.719
that's a pretty crazy movie once you understand like what's
985
01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:18.519
reality and you go back and watch that movie, kind
986
01:06:18.519 --> 01:06:21.480
of like the whole Disney thing. Yeah, like a bunch
987
01:06:21.519 --> 01:06:26.920
of a bunch of wizards put together this insane idea
988
01:06:26.960 --> 01:06:27.760
of going to the moon.
989
01:06:29.239 --> 01:06:29.400
Yeah.
990
01:06:29.480 --> 01:06:35.519
Yeah, when you look into Freemasonry and Satanists and the
991
01:06:35.639 --> 01:06:40.559
evil that is trying to you know, confuse the world.
992
01:06:42.159 --> 01:06:47.400
Yeah, I think that guy who produced it or directed it,
993
01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:49.639
I think he was a French guy, but I think
994
01:06:49.679 --> 01:06:52.920
he was also into magic and all that other stuff.
995
01:06:54.039 --> 01:06:55.159
Yeah, I have to go back.
996
01:06:55.079 --> 01:06:57.800
And watch it. An old old movie. It was early
997
01:06:57.880 --> 01:07:01.199
nineteen hundreds, but yeah, I need to go back and
998
01:07:01.199 --> 01:07:03.679
watch that for sure, and even look to see, you know,
999
01:07:04.039 --> 01:07:07.119
who wrote it and all that other stuff. Because again,
1000
01:07:07.800 --> 01:07:09.559
I think there was a book that came out in
1001
01:07:09.599 --> 01:07:11.880
the late eighteen eighties that was one of the first
1002
01:07:11.880 --> 01:07:13.880
thing to start planning the seed and then A Trip
1003
01:07:13.920 --> 01:07:16.239
to the Moon. I think was the first, certainly was
1004
01:07:16.280 --> 01:07:19.000
the first kind of movie that planted that seed.
1005
01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:24.039
Yeah, old movies are interesting, even around the world in
1006
01:07:24.079 --> 01:07:26.639
eighty days. Oh yeah, that's a good one. Yeah. At
1007
01:07:26.679 --> 01:07:29.920
the beginning, they're talking about how they're going to do
1008
01:07:29.960 --> 01:07:35.159
this trip around the world, and they're arguing over whether
1009
01:07:35.199 --> 01:07:37.800
it can be done or not, and they're talking about
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01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:42.920
read look, study your globe. Yeah, study your globe. One
1011
01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:46.239
other thing that I noticed it was interesting the other day.
1012
01:07:46.280 --> 01:07:53.920
I was looking at presidential portraits and there's a couple
1013
01:07:54.480 --> 01:07:57.639
that have a globe in them. I just thought that
1014
01:07:57.800 --> 01:08:01.480
was interesting, just looking at different presidential portraits and what
1015
01:08:01.519 --> 01:08:05.480
they're holding and what's on their desks and other things.
1016
01:08:06.920 --> 01:08:10.079
So I did a podcast on this years ago. You
1017
01:08:10.119 --> 01:08:15.000
know Samuel Morse, he's the guy who created the Morse Code.
1018
01:08:15.039 --> 01:08:19.079
You know BBBPP, that guy. Yeah, everybody knows him for that,
1019
01:08:19.159 --> 01:08:22.560
but they didn't know he was a hugely accomplished painter
1020
01:08:23.199 --> 01:08:28.159
and he did a lot of paintings of presidents in
1021
01:08:28.239 --> 01:08:32.079
the I want to say the eighteen thirties to eighteen fifties.
1022
01:08:32.800 --> 01:08:36.399
I'll have to look it up. But there was also
1023
01:08:36.439 --> 01:08:43.079
another connection to him where he called out the Jesuits.
1024
01:08:44.079 --> 01:08:46.640
There was a very interesting connection there as well.
1025
01:08:48.239 --> 01:08:57.960
Yeah, one thing also, I wanted to say, we're talking
1026
01:08:57.960 --> 01:09:01.880
about movies, have you ever seen the movie Enders Game?
1027
01:09:03.199 --> 01:09:05.600
That's very familiar. I'm sure I have, but I can't
1028
01:09:05.840 --> 01:09:06.760
picture it right now.
1029
01:09:08.039 --> 01:09:11.000
Okay, it's got Harrison Ford in it, and I can't
1030
01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:13.000
remember the name of the kid that is the main
1031
01:09:13.079 --> 01:09:20.079
character in it. But it's basically it was a Robert
1032
01:09:20.640 --> 01:09:24.880
Robert Hyland book if I'm remembering that correctly. But the movie,
1033
01:09:25.840 --> 01:09:29.880
you it's basically they get this kid who's really smart,
1034
01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:35.800
and they have to the point of the movie is
1035
01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:39.520
they're training these kids to play basically a video game
1036
01:09:39.600 --> 01:09:46.199
to destroy this alien culture on a different planet. And
1037
01:09:46.319 --> 01:09:51.640
what they do is they they run them through simulations
1038
01:09:51.680 --> 01:09:59.800
like basically every foreseeable thing that could happen in this war.
1039
01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:01.720
We're going to take you through it and see how
1040
01:10:01.720 --> 01:10:05.640
you do and how you defeat it. It's basically endless simulation.
1041
01:10:06.680 --> 01:10:09.960
And then at the end of the movie, hopefully I'm
1042
01:10:09.960 --> 01:10:16.159
not spoiling it for anybody, but it's like the last simulation.
1043
01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:22.319
It's the hardest difficulty basically, and you have to take
1044
01:10:22.359 --> 01:10:26.920
out this alien planet and do your best try everything
1045
01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:32.479
that we've taught you to do this and try to
1046
01:10:32.479 --> 01:10:36.159
complete this last simulation. And at the end, the twist
1047
01:10:36.279 --> 01:10:38.920
is that it wasn't a swim simulation. It was real
1048
01:10:39.560 --> 01:10:46.119
and the alien planet gets destroyed, and Ender at the
1049
01:10:46.239 --> 01:10:49.880
end is like devastated because he just attacked and killed
1050
01:10:49.880 --> 01:10:53.119
this alien species and he feels bad about it. But
1051
01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:59.880
that makes me think of Mission Control and NASA and
1052
01:11:00.199 --> 01:11:03.079
how you look back at those videos and you watch
1053
01:11:03.119 --> 01:11:06.079
the movies like Apollo thirteen and how all that went
1054
01:11:07.399 --> 01:11:12.119
Like it makes me wonder could it have been like
1055
01:11:12.520 --> 01:11:16.880
they did so many simulations and test trends with Mission
1056
01:11:16.920 --> 01:11:22.199
Control that they didn't realize like the last mission was fake?
1057
01:11:22.319 --> 01:11:25.399
Because do you know what I'm saying.
1058
01:11:26.439 --> 01:11:30.479
Like a La Capricorn one, I haven't seen that.
1059
01:11:30.560 --> 01:11:30.960
I need to.
1060
01:11:31.039 --> 01:11:33.520
Oh yeah, you definitely need to. It's free. If it's
1061
01:11:33.640 --> 01:11:37.680
still it's been free on YouTube for a while. Okay,
1062
01:11:37.840 --> 01:11:40.000
you can check it out. It's you know, these guys,
1063
01:11:40.279 --> 01:11:43.319
I think it's very truth telling. They're but except of
1064
01:11:43.359 --> 01:11:44.760
course they're not going to the Moon. I think they're
1065
01:11:44.760 --> 01:11:47.239
going to Mars maybe, And you know, they get in
1066
01:11:47.279 --> 01:11:49.920
their outfits and they wheel them out to the rocket
1067
01:11:50.039 --> 01:11:52.520
and the guy comes up in his cia looking suit.
1068
01:11:52.600 --> 01:11:55.600
Gentlemen come with me, and they're like, what, So it's
1069
01:11:55.680 --> 01:11:58.359
kind of them saying that, you know, Neil Armstrong and
1070
01:11:58.399 --> 01:12:01.119
the guys truly thought up in to like the moment
1071
01:12:01.159 --> 01:12:03.640
they were about to board the capsule, that they were
1072
01:12:03.680 --> 01:12:06.680
truly going to the moon. And I'm glad you mentioned
1073
01:12:06.720 --> 01:12:10.239
that because that is the older I get and the
1074
01:12:10.239 --> 01:12:13.680
more I have these conversations outside of the Bible, right,
1075
01:12:15.279 --> 01:12:17.920
that is one of the most telling things. Brother, if
1076
01:12:18.359 --> 01:12:22.119
you or I stepped on the moon, the first human
1077
01:12:22.720 --> 01:12:25.479
to step on the moon, you know how many endorsements
1078
01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:28.920
and TV shows and walking up and down the streets
1079
01:12:28.960 --> 01:12:32.119
giving everyone high fives that that guy looked like it
1080
01:12:32.199 --> 01:12:34.800
was the worst day of his life at that press conference.
1081
01:12:36.439 --> 01:12:39.000
Yeah, and for pretty much the rest of his life
1082
01:12:39.039 --> 01:12:42.960
after that too. I watched Sixty Minutes with Ed Bradley
1083
01:12:43.119 --> 01:12:47.039
with Neil Armstrong on it, and even at you know,
1084
01:12:47.399 --> 01:12:49.079
the end of his life. I don't know how old
1085
01:12:49.119 --> 01:12:55.399
he was, seventy something, he just looked discouraged, like it
1086
01:12:55.439 --> 01:12:57.560
was so hard for him to keep the smile on
1087
01:12:57.600 --> 01:13:01.960
his face. That would be that would kind of be
1088
01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:05.439
like a living hell, living a life for however many years.
1089
01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:09.279
There's no other way to put it. You had you
1090
01:13:09.359 --> 01:13:13.560
played a part in perpetuating the biggest lie in human history.
1091
01:13:14.319 --> 01:13:17.800
I mean he had to drik himself to sleep every
1092
01:13:17.880 --> 01:13:19.199
night or else he couldn't.
1093
01:13:19.399 --> 01:13:24.600
Right, Yeah, that's crazy to think about.
1094
01:13:25.279 --> 01:13:27.680
Yeah, and I'm sure because didn't they I'll have to
1095
01:13:27.720 --> 01:13:29.800
go back. I don't remember the exact amount of time,
1096
01:13:29.840 --> 01:13:32.239
but when they came back, they had to be I'm
1097
01:13:32.279 --> 01:13:35.640
an air quote here for the folks listening quarantining. Didn't
1098
01:13:35.640 --> 01:13:37.439
they have to be quarantined for X amount of days?
1099
01:13:37.439 --> 01:13:39.439
That was probably them standing over top of them with
1100
01:13:39.479 --> 01:13:42.279
pictures of their family and their children at the park.
1101
01:13:42.359 --> 01:13:44.239
You know, you say one word, you see these kids,
1102
01:13:44.520 --> 01:13:46.399
they'll they'll never see the lead of day again.
1103
01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:52.279
Yeah. I remember watching a video They're in the quarantine
1104
01:13:52.439 --> 01:13:55.640
tank and Richard Nixon is right there by the glass
1105
01:13:55.640 --> 01:14:01.840
talking to him. M hm that's right, My gosh. Yeah,
1106
01:14:01.880 --> 01:14:06.479
it's just that's so crazy going back and watching those
1107
01:14:07.960 --> 01:14:09.760
like I had never seen them before. I never had
1108
01:14:09.760 --> 01:14:17.680
the the I don't know, the drive to watch anything
1109
01:14:17.760 --> 01:14:19.760
like that because I never thought it was like I
1110
01:14:20.079 --> 01:14:23.039
will always love Star Wars and Star Trek and but
1111
01:14:23.640 --> 01:14:28.119
you know that kind of space in movies is a
1112
01:14:28.199 --> 01:14:32.119
lot different than NASA's space. But yeah, going back and
1113
01:14:32.159 --> 01:14:36.880
watching that, you can just it's like such bad acting.
1114
01:14:37.600 --> 01:14:42.760
It's terrible. And somebody mentioned that, you know, imagine fulfilling
1115
01:14:42.760 --> 01:14:46.279
your childhood dream, yet you hardly ever want to talk
1116
01:14:46.319 --> 01:14:48.279
about it. That in itself says it all.
1117
01:14:49.760 --> 01:14:56.800
Yeah, and watching the new Artemis two theater, that's that's
1118
01:14:56.840 --> 01:15:06.239
funny to me. Also, is it Christine McCulloch forgot her lines? Yeah?
1119
01:15:06.399 --> 01:15:13.199
Yeah, she did. Amazing. Man, this has been quite a conversation.
1120
01:15:13.319 --> 01:15:16.399
We're down to our last few minutes. Was there anything
1121
01:15:16.399 --> 01:15:19.359
else that you wanted to mention before we parted ways?
1122
01:15:22.479 --> 01:15:25.680
I'll give you. I have a list. I don't know
1123
01:15:25.680 --> 01:15:31.720
how many it is, but like silver bullets, yeah please, okay, Yeah.
1124
01:15:31.880 --> 01:15:34.960
The top one was, well, I have on here the
1125
01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:40.960
Life of Neil Armstrong. That's funny, we're just talking about it.
1126
01:15:41.159 --> 01:15:45.680
The Red Bull Jump. If you look and watch the
1127
01:15:45.720 --> 01:15:50.399
Red Bull Jump, a lot of people talk about how
1128
01:15:50.439 --> 01:15:54.079
the horizon like flip flops, how it's inverted and then
1129
01:15:54.119 --> 01:15:58.560
it looks round. But if you look at that video
1130
01:15:59.439 --> 01:16:02.760
at the earth under him, there's no water. It's all
1131
01:16:02.840 --> 01:16:11.159
just land. That's pretty crazy. Yeah, old films, the blue boxes.
1132
01:16:11.760 --> 01:16:18.800
When you look up flat Earth or anything conspiratory on YouTube,
1133
01:16:18.840 --> 01:16:28.680
you get a blue Wikipedia box steering you away from truth. Yeah,
1134
01:16:28.720 --> 01:16:32.880
no stars in all of the pictures of Earth from space.
1135
01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:39.079
And I put prayer as one of my silver bullets
1136
01:16:39.079 --> 01:16:41.239
because I think that's the most effective thing that we
1137
01:16:41.319 --> 01:16:43.880
can do, is pray for the people that we're going
1138
01:16:43.920 --> 01:16:47.920
to talk to or have talked to, you know, and
1139
01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:50.880
it you know, it's not a salvation issue, but like
1140
01:16:51.000 --> 01:16:55.199
you say, and other people have said, it can keep
1141
01:16:55.279 --> 01:17:00.239
you from salvation if you're so far into pseudoscience that
1142
01:17:00.319 --> 01:17:03.960
you can't believe that what the Bible says, you know,
1143
01:17:04.159 --> 01:17:07.119
like Dave Weiss was for a long time.
1144
01:17:07.359 --> 01:17:08.199
Yep, great point.
1145
01:17:09.479 --> 01:17:15.680
Yeah. Yeah. In the Bible it talks about the water
1146
01:17:15.760 --> 01:17:20.199
canopy of the firmament, and all the way growing up
1147
01:17:20.279 --> 01:17:23.680
going to church, I was always told by pastors that
1148
01:17:23.680 --> 01:17:29.359
that dissipated after the flood because the canopy came down
1149
01:17:29.439 --> 01:17:32.319
and that's what flooded the earth. But it doesn't say
1150
01:17:32.359 --> 01:17:35.119
that in the Bible. It doesn't say that the firmament
1151
01:17:35.319 --> 01:17:41.279
left at some point, so we can conclude that it's
1152
01:17:41.319 --> 01:17:41.880
still there.
1153
01:17:42.079 --> 01:17:47.000
That's right, by the way, feeling s Bomgardner. He died
1154
01:17:47.920 --> 01:17:49.319
last summer almost a year ago.
1155
01:17:50.399 --> 01:17:52.000
Is that the red bull Jumper? Yeah?
1156
01:17:52.079 --> 01:17:56.520
Yeah, okay, Oh, I always thought that timing the July
1157
01:17:56.600 --> 01:18:00.560
seventeenth day, because I think the Apollo eleventh off about
1158
01:18:00.600 --> 01:18:02.680
nine thirty in the morning on the sixteenth of July,
1159
01:18:03.279 --> 01:18:05.479
and then they say on the seventeenth it made the
1160
01:18:05.600 --> 01:18:09.960
correction steer or whatever, and then you know ly was
1161
01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:12.000
the July twentieth they landed on the moon, which is
1162
01:18:12.039 --> 01:18:14.159
the two hundred first day of the year, which is
1163
01:18:14.199 --> 01:18:16.479
like event two oh one, and that number two o
1164
01:18:16.560 --> 01:18:19.239
one is everywhere. But yeah, always found that interesting that
1165
01:18:19.359 --> 01:18:23.279
he died at such an early you know, he was
1166
01:18:23.359 --> 01:18:25.720
my age.
1167
01:18:28.880 --> 01:18:31.479
Yeah. And artem is two taken off on April Fool's Day.
1168
01:18:31.720 --> 01:18:36.079
Yeah, that's right. Oh man, you can't make this stuff up. Well, brother,
1169
01:18:36.800 --> 01:18:39.680
this has been a tremendous conversation. I appreciate you taking
1170
01:18:39.720 --> 01:18:42.119
your lunch break with us and sharing your story. It's
1171
01:18:42.119 --> 01:18:45.399
been a wonderful conversation. As always, before we go, I'll
1172
01:18:45.439 --> 01:18:46.479
leave the final word to you.
1173
01:18:49.199 --> 01:18:56.680
Uh. I guess I would just say keep your focus
1174
01:18:56.760 --> 01:19:05.439
on Jesus and truth is important and stay in prayer
1175
01:19:05.520 --> 01:19:09.439
and pray for the people that you talk to, and
1176
01:19:10.960 --> 01:19:13.239
let it not just be about flat earth but also
1177
01:19:13.640 --> 01:19:19.640
salvation and share them the Gospel with people. And yeah,
1178
01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:23.159
it's just been an honor talking to you, George. Thank you.
1179
01:19:23.520 --> 01:19:26.439
Likewise, Scotti, thank you, God bless you and your family,
1180
01:19:26.520 --> 01:19:29.199
and I appreciate you taking the time. It's been a
1181
01:19:29.199 --> 01:19:33.640
great conversation. And to all the listeners out there, we're
1182
01:19:33.720 --> 01:19:36.399
ramping back up for the summer, so we have some
1183
01:19:36.520 --> 01:19:38.560
dates to fill in July or August. So if you'd
1184
01:19:38.600 --> 01:19:40.439
like to come on and share your story like Scotty
1185
01:19:40.439 --> 01:19:43.399
did today, please reach out to us fe Files guest
1186
01:19:43.479 --> 01:19:45.840
at gmail dot com the links. I have a lot
1187
01:19:45.880 --> 01:19:48.920
of links for this episode for sure, So thank you
1188
01:19:49.000 --> 01:19:53.279
all for your continued support. And yes, Scott's email address
1189
01:19:53.279 --> 01:19:54.800
will be in the notes as well in case you'd
1190
01:19:54.880 --> 01:19:57.119
like to reach out to him. For Scott, I'm George.
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God bless you all. Keep your head on a swivel
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and Christ in your heart. And until we meet again,
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my friends, we will see.
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The city stood before us in the morning, haze, ancient
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storms and dying gates crowd in all their ways, The
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warriors watched from the.
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Battle and above, trusting in their strength instead.
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Of God above.
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The true bid had not sounded, the battle not begun yet, the.
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Lord hadn't made a promise.
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Of the victory one.
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So we walked in silent circles beneath the desert sky,
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believing what he told us.
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The reason Usta was.
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Round and around the walls we go, trusting what the
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Lord has.
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Spoken on by stone.
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No none could know the mighty gates.
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Would soon be broken by sword, not bad, not by
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power men command.
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When the voice of God is heard, the strongest war
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fall at his word.
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For six long.
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Days we mounched her round without a single battle. Some
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people marked from high above.
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The faith kept moving out of love.
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Then came the seventh rising sun, the day the Lord
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would finish.
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What he'd begun.
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Seven times around we walked that ground, waiting for the
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holy sun. Round, then round was we go, trusting what
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the Lord has spoken on by stone.
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No none couldn't know the landing gates would soon be
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broken by sad.
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And not by and not by power man command.
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When the voice of God is heard.
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The strongest war all at his word.
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From bits cried.
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To the wind, the people shouted a loudest thunder. The
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earth began to shake beneath and pull the mightiest city under.
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What man had built with fear.
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And pride could not stand. When God decided, every fortress,
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every wall, must bow before the Lord.
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Around them, round the world's vehago, following where he.
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Has led ourvery promise.
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He has made it.
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Mighty hand will never fail us, not by sord and
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not by help, not by powerman command.
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When the voice of Guy is heard, the strongest war.
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Stall at his word, the loos came down? Who came down?
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And every stone declared the sound.
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The Lord Loone brought Jerry Cold down.
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You're listening to the Fact Hunter Radio Network.
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Just the facts, ma'am.