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Daphne Davis: Goo wake up in a cold sweat. When I hear that sound. Hi. Hi. We're talking about how much we love sleep because we're tired. We're tired because women need more sleep. Yeah. Now that women's help people give a hoot about it. Yeah. Tell me the recommendation again. I'm pretty sure it's like ten to twelve hours. Perfect, right?
daphne cam deep, compressed: Goo wake up in a cold sweat. When I hear that sound. Hi. Hi. We're talking about how much we love sleep because we're tired. We're tired because women need more sleep. Yeah. Now that women's help people give a hoot about it. Yeah. Tell me the recommendation again. I'm pretty sure it's like ten to twelve hours. Perfect, right?
Daphne Davis: Can I get like a prescription? Can I get a in writing? No, I do I love to sleep. And I do protect it and like prioritize it above anything else. Mm-hmm. man. I know when you like you don't sleep well, like it just ruins. Ten
daphne cam deep, compressed: Can I get like a prescription? Can I get a in writing? No, I do I love to sleep. And I do protect it and like prioritize it above anything else. Mm-hmm. man. I know when you like you don't sleep well, like it just ruins. Ten
Daphne Davis: Hours is kind of my sweet spot. Honestly, I perform best at ten. So what time do you go to bed? That has shifted dramatically. It used to be really early, like nine thirty. Okay. When I was teaching, because I had a lot of sleep and I had to get up early. Time did you wake up as a teacher? Well, when I was teaching here in New York, I had to be there at six.
daphne cam deep, compressed: Hours is kind of my sweet spot. Honestly, I perform best at ten. So what time do you go to bed? That has shifted dramatically. It used to be really early, like nine thirty. Okay. When I was teaching, because I had a lot of sleep and I had to get up early. Time did you wake up as a teacher? Well, when I was teaching here in New York, I had to be there at six.
Daphne Davis: Be there at six. Be there at six. So you would wake up at five forty five. That's what my nightmares are made of. Waking up and being like, I can't go back to sleep after this. Uhhuh. But then no, Utah was little more normal. I would wake up at like six thirty. Had to be there at eight. Okay. But now I'm sleeping until eight most of the time. I get it well see I have a
daphne cam deep, compressed: Be there at six. Be there at six. So you would wake up at five forty five. That's what my nightmares are made of. Waking up and being like, I can't go back to sleep after this. Uhhuh. But then no, Utah was little more normal. I would wake up at like six thirty. Had to be there at eight. Okay. But now I'm sleeping until eight most of the time. I get it well see I have a
Daphne Davis: Have a whole routine. What's the routine? As you do too, I'm sure. I should be. I sometimes do. I brush I was gonna say brush my face, wash my teeth. Accurate. Yeah. So I do that. And then I get in bed at probably like ten thirty, ten, and I read every night. What are you reading? Right now I'm reading a Rosamond Pilchner.
daphne cam deep, compressed: Have a whole routine. What's the routine? As you do too, I'm sure. I should be. I sometimes do. I brush I was gonna say brush my face, wash my teeth. Accurate. Yeah. So I do that. And then I get in bed at probably like ten thirty, ten, and I read every night. What are you reading? Right now I'm reading a Rosamond Pilchner.
Daphne Davis: novel I think that's her last name. she writes like really long, cozy British like like post-World War II. Grab like a a mug of tea. Exactly. They're so long cozy blanky. She literally follows the character through like their entire life, which I love. But I also just finished Demon Copperhead. It was the first time I read that
daphne cam deep, compressed: novel I think that's her last name. she writes like really long, cozy British like like post-World War II. Grab like a a mug of tea. Exactly. They're so long cozy blanky. She literally follows the character through like their entire life, which I love. But I also just finished Demon Copperhead. It was the first time I read that
Daphne Davis: I love Barbara King Silver. She's probably my favorite author. Incredible. And had never read Demon Coverhead. So I tore through that. I read that in like three days. A what? Yeah. You should you deserve like some sort of medal change. It like all I wanted to do. I was just like
daphne cam deep, compressed: I love Barbara King Silver. She's probably my favorite author. Incredible. And had never read Demon Coverhead. So I tore through that. I read that in like three days. A what? Yeah. You should you deserve like some sort of medal change. It like all I wanted to do. I was just like
Daphne Davis: I'm only like a quarter of the way through it. I mean I I started listening to it when I was when it first came out and was like How did it come out? A couple of years ago. and it was just so like emotionally heavy, I feel like that I was like, I need to take a break. Yeah, it is. I love but I love the narration was so good. Mm-hmm.
daphne cam deep, compressed: I'm only like a quarter of the way through it. I mean I I started listening to it when I was when it first came out and was like How did it come out? A couple of years ago. and it was just so like emotionally heavy, I feel like that I was like, I need to take a break. Yeah, it is. I love but I love the narration was so good. Mm-hmm.
Daphne Davis: Her stories are all she's incredible. I love that she uses which this kind of ties into what we want to talk about today. Everything you've said so far. I love what she how she uses her identity of like growing up in Appalachia. Like all of her stories take place in the south and near Appalachia and have to do with like the poverty around that and it makes the stories just so much richer.
daphne cam deep, compressed: Her stories are all she's incredible. I love that she uses which this kind of ties into what we want to talk about today. Everything you've said so far. I love what she how she uses her identity of like growing up in Appalachia. Like all of her stories take place in the south and near Appalachia and have to do with like the poverty around that and it makes the stories just so much richer.
Daphne Davis: Because she's using what she has experienced firsthand. Yeah. And I think sometimes people see that maybe as like a crutch when it comes to writing. And maybe even maybe content, I'm not sure. Mm-hmm. Where it's like, can't they like talk about something else? Like, can't they?
daphne cam deep, compressed: Because she's using what she has experienced firsthand. Yeah. And I think sometimes people see that maybe as like a crutch when it comes to writing. And maybe even maybe content, I'm not sure. Mm-hmm. Where it's like, can't they like talk about something else? Like, can't they?
Daphne Davis: you know, write about a character who grew up in a completely different, like other side of the world. I don't like It doesn't make sense. Why would they do that? I mean you can. You can use your imagination, you can research, but like, don't you feel that that misses a core part of like what makes a story compelling? Mm-hmm. I actually have had like very deep conversations with like my fellow writer friends because like our creators, like we have to write. Like that's to your point, it's like
daphne cam deep, compressed: you know, write about a character who grew up in a completely different, like other side of the world. I don't like It doesn't make sense. Why would they do that? I mean you can. You can use your imagination, you can research, but like, don't you feel that that misses a core part of like what makes a story compelling? Mm-hmm. I actually have had like very deep conversations with like my fellow writer friends because like our creators, like we have to write. Like that's to your point, it's like
Daphne Davis: People are coming to you because you're a real human being and they want to hear your lived experience. The sociologist in me will always say, Talk about your lived experience. I know that's up for debate, but I think that like that's your strongest, most compelling story. Like, yeah, you can go try to tell a different story or a different narrative about something and someone, but like you don't know because you haven't lived it. So you miss.
daphne cam deep, compressed: People are coming to you because you're a real human being and they want to hear your lived experience. The sociologist in me will always say, Talk about your lived experience. I know that's up for debate, but I think that like that's your strongest, most compelling story. Like, yeah, you can go try to tell a different story or a different narrative about something and someone, but like you don't know because you haven't lived it. So you miss.
Daphne Davis: so much of like that nuance and detail that's like at the core of those things that just keep you up at night thinking about a story or flipping a page or like to keep scrolling or to subscribe or whatever the action is because like it's that emotional thread that because you've lived it. Yeah. And I think Barbara King Solver is such a good example of that. Yeah. Because she's she like she gets the emotional intensity of it. Yes. Which we're
daphne cam deep, compressed: so much of like that nuance and detail that's like at the core of those things that just keep you up at night thinking about a story or flipping a page or like to keep scrolling or to subscribe or whatever the action is because like it's that emotional thread that because you've lived it. Yeah. And I think Barbara King Solver is such a good example of that. Yeah. Because she's she like she gets the emotional intensity of it. Yes. Which we're
Daphne Davis: We're talking about I you know, gender, I guess, in like d demographics of those things because to some people it's like, I don't wanna talk about that. Why is that relevant to what I'm doing as a creator? But I think like
daphne cam deep, compressed: We're talking about I you know, gender, I guess, in like d demographics of those things because to some people it's like, I don't wanna talk about that. Why is that relevant to what I'm doing as a creator? But I think like
Daphne Davis: It's such an important foundational piece to like understand the system that you're operating within and like how did it come to be and how does that impact you? Like that is obviously I'm very obsessed with that and that is how I like view the world. and so as I've been writing my own book and like thesis just about the politics of the creator economy.
daphne cam deep, compressed: It's such an important foundational piece to like understand the system that you're operating within and like how did it come to be and how does that impact you? Like that is obviously I'm very obsessed with that and that is how I like view the world. and so as I've been writing my own book and like thesis just about the politics of the creator economy.
Daphne Davis: I used to be really resistant, I think, to I mean, I would share the story. I've shared it a million times with the our community that already exists of like how I came into this space. Yeah. But I think the interesting thing, and I've also talked to my fellow like female writer friends about this, is like with the conversations of trad wives and seeing people like Ballerina Farm and Nara Smith and Yesteryear and you know, all of those things that have popped up.
daphne cam deep, compressed: I used to be really resistant, I think, to I mean, I would share the story. I've shared it a million times with the our community that already exists of like how I came into this space. Yeah. But I think the interesting thing, and I've also talked to my fellow like female writer friends about this, is like with the conversations of trad wives and seeing people like Ballerina Farm and Nara Smith and Yesteryear and you know, all of those things that have popped up.
Daphne Davis: It's like people I think are getting really curious about like where did this come from? Like why is this a part of this world? And like 'cause people are obsessed with it, like secret lives of Mormon wives, like all of those things. Yeah, they're getting a franchise. Yeah. But they're like going everywhere. Because Mormons are everywhere. Because Mormons are everywhere.
daphne cam deep, compressed: It's like people I think are getting really curious about like where did this come from? Like why is this a part of this world? And like 'cause people are obsessed with it, like secret lives of Mormon wives, like all of those things. Yeah, they're getting a franchise. Yeah. But they're like going everywhere. Because Mormons are everywhere. Because Mormons are everywhere.
Daphne Davis: And so that is what we're here, honestly, probably to talk about. And we can say that because we were Mormon. Yeah, and we actually had a really good conversation about this. And here's the thing. like I have a very specific
daphne cam deep, compressed: And so that is what we're here, honestly, probably to talk about. And we can say that because we were Mormon. Yeah, and we actually had a really good conversation about this. And here's the thing. like I have a very specific
Daphne Davis: belief that the creator economy foundationally, I mean, I can't definitively prove this, but like based on my own lived experience, that so many roots of the roots of the creator economy where it got its foundational underpinnings and footage like start, like a big part of the start of it, I mean not all of it, is based in Mormon mommy bloggers that are essentially like trad wives. Yeah. Myself included. Yeah.
daphne cam deep, compressed: belief that the creator economy foundationally, I mean, I can't definitively prove this, but like based on my own lived experience, that so many roots of the roots of the creator economy where it got its foundational underpinnings and footage like start, like a big part of the start of it, I mean not all of it, is based in Mormon mommy bloggers that are essentially like trad wives. Yeah. Myself included. Yeah.
Daphne Davis: I'm just yeah, so it's like gender and religion are such a huge component of the creator space. And whether you're Mormon or not, like I think a lot of people in our community are women, right? And it started a food blog as a way to like talk about feeding their families and to be, you know, being like a provider of of sustenance and meals to their children and their spouses and whomever. And also
daphne cam deep, compressed: I'm just yeah, so it's like gender and religion are such a huge component of the creator space. And whether you're Mormon or not, like I think a lot of people in our community are women, right? And it started a food blog as a way to like talk about feeding their families and to be, you know, being like a provider of of sustenance and meals to their children and their spouses and whomever. And also
Daphne Davis: Having something to do, like when your kids grow up and your kids go to school and suddenly you have like six hours of the day to yourself. And you want to contribute financially to your household. But like But you've been raising babies for the past six years. Yeah. Six plus years. And like that's the story I think I've had so many offline conversations with women in our community about this. And sometimes I'm like, do we talk about that? Like, does anybody care? But like I think
daphne cam deep, compressed: Having something to do, like when your kids grow up and your kids go to school and suddenly you have like six hours of the day to yourself. And you want to contribute financially to your household. But like But you've been raising babies for the past six years. Yeah. Six plus years. And like that's the story I think I've had so many offline conversations with women in our community about this. And sometimes I'm like, do we talk about that? Like, does anybody care? But like I think
Daphne Davis: I think that like of course we care. Like why does why is that the conversation that like when we're at dinner together at like one of our events or after parties or whatever, when we do meet in person at Tastemaker, it's like that, you know, is like ever the thing that everybody wants to talk about. Yeah.
daphne cam deep, compressed: I think that like of course we care. Like why does why is that the conversation that like when we're at dinner together at like one of our events or after parties or whatever, when we do meet in person at Tastemaker, it's like that, you know, is like ever the thing that everybody wants to talk about. Yeah.
Daphne Davis: So how does it usually come up though? Like 'cause it feels quite vulnerable. It's very vulnerable. And even talk like even teeing this up, like I feel the energy shift a little bit. Like this is kind of a heavy not heavy, but it's like not quite so lighthearted, you know? Yes. Because it's speaking to something, like you said, like a core piece of someone's identity. Yeah. So when you're out in the wild and you're talking, you're having conversations with tastemakers or with other people in your network or even your friends, like
daphne cam deep, compressed: So how does it usually come up though? Like 'cause it feels quite vulnerable. It's very vulnerable. And even talk like even teeing this up, like I feel the energy shift a little bit. Like this is kind of a heavy not heavy, but it's like not quite so lighthearted, you know? Yes. Because it's speaking to something, like you said, like a core piece of someone's identity. Yeah. So when you're out in the wild and you're talking, you're having conversations with tastemakers or with other people in your network or even your friends, like
Daphne Davis: How does it usually come up? Yeah. Who opens the door first? So I think like you have to I think be disarming enough as a person to be able to have vulnerable conversations, which like I'm that type of person. And then I'm like, I don't I wanna talk to you about like who are you? Like what makes you tick? And like why are you you? So that I acknowledge some of that is a me thing. But I think that like people want to be heard and they wanna talk about it because it comes up, for example, I had a conversation,
daphne cam deep, compressed: How does it usually come up? Yeah. Who opens the door first? So I think like you have to I think be disarming enough as a person to be able to have vulnerable conversations, which like I'm that type of person. And then I'm like, I don't I wanna talk to you about like who are you? Like what makes you tick? And like why are you you? So that I acknowledge some of that is a me thing. But I think that like people want to be heard and they wanna talk about it because it comes up, for example, I had a conversation,
Daphne Davis: With somebody in our community at one of our dinners, and we were just, you know, she's been coming to our events for years and years. And I sat next to her. I'm like, I've never sat down to actually talk to you before. Tell me about your life. And we were just talking about like going through divorce because I got divorced, you know, five years ago and just like the vulnerability and complexity of that.
daphne cam deep, compressed: With somebody in our community at one of our dinners, and we were just, you know, she's been coming to our events for years and years. And I sat next to her. I'm like, I've never sat down to actually talk to you before. Tell me about your life. And we were just talking about like going through divorce because I got divorced, you know, five years ago and just like the vulnerability and complexity of that.
Daphne Davis: And we started talking about just like how grateful she was that she had her blog and her
daphne cam deep, compressed: And we started talking about just like how grateful she was that she had her blog and her
Daphne Davis: company that she had built as a as a creator that she was able to like support herself. And I just thought like to me, like I'm like that is just the best thing I could ever hear. That it's like we're empowering women to be in a position to do that. But then I was also curious that I was like, you know, asking questions maybe that I shouldn't ask, but I can't ask myself. But I'm like, what was your your former partner's like response to that?
daphne cam deep, compressed: company that she had built as a as a creator that she was able to like support herself. And I just thought like to me, like I'm like that is just the best thing I could ever hear. That it's like we're empowering women to be in a position to do that. But then I was also curious that I was like, you know, asking questions maybe that I shouldn't ask, but I can't ask myself. But I'm like, what was your your former partner's like response to that?
Daphne Davis: And
daphne cam deep, compressed: And
Daphne Davis: Just the hearing that it's like sometimes in these traditional models, even outside of Mormonism, like you and I know that like oops, I just hit the mic. Like that I'm so excited that like being raised in like a certain religious environment, like you're taught that your gender roles are, you know, I'll raise the children, you're the provider. And in this day and age it looks a little different. I don't I know that not everybody subscribes to that. But in more traditional households, that's not just with that, and these women who come from that, it was
daphne cam deep, compressed: Just the hearing that it's like sometimes in these traditional models, even outside of Mormonism, like you and I know that like oops, I just hit the mic. Like that I'm so excited that like being raised in like a certain religious environment, like you're taught that your gender roles are, you know, I'll raise the children, you're the provider. And in this day and age it looks a little different. I don't I know that not everybody subscribes to that. But in more traditional households, that's not just with that, and these women who come from that, it was
Daphne Davis: Like their husbands had a hard time wrapping their minds around that their their wives were now outperforming, out-earning them. They were like eclipsing them in terms of that. And so unfortunately, there there is still some of that happening. that it's like
daphne cam deep, compressed: Like their husbands had a hard time wrapping their minds around that their their wives were now outperforming, out-earning them. They were like eclipsing them in terms of that. And so unfortunately, there there is still some of that happening. that it's like
Daphne Davis: women are empowered and are making their own money and it's twenty twenty six and why are we even having this conversation? But
daphne cam deep, compressed: women are empowered and are making their own money and it's twenty twenty six and why are we even having this conversation? But
Daphne Davis: It's important because it's like still it's still happening. But yeah, it's still happening on camera. Like you describing that, I did watch The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives like everyone else on the planet. Mm-hmm. I did not. Besides Abby. I'm like a little contrarian where she's just like, I won't watch it. I feel like too popular. No, yes, and yes, and I was just like Is this gonna be triggering for me?
daphne cam deep, compressed: It's important because it's like still it's still happening. But yeah, it's still happening on camera. Like you describing that, I did watch The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives like everyone else on the planet. Mm-hmm. I did not. Besides Abby. I'm like a little contrarian where she's just like, I won't watch it. I feel like too popular. No, yes, and yes, and I was just like Is this gonna be triggering for me?
Daphne Davis: It probably might have been. It probably could have been. I'm not sure. But the scene that I'm thinking of is so
daphne cam deep, compressed: It probably might have been. It probably could have been. I'm not sure. But the scene that I'm thinking of is so
Daphne Davis: iconic in all the wrong ways because there's okay, let me paint the picture for people who are listening. Paint the picture for me too. So season one, my gosh, and we can just get into reality TV as well because let's do it. It's relevant. it's relevant. Reality TV can is so much deeper than like a silly thing to watch where people just argue with each other all the time. Because it literally will shed light on these societal
daphne cam deep, compressed: iconic in all the wrong ways because there's okay, let me paint the picture for people who are listening. Paint the picture for me too. So season one, my gosh, and we can just get into reality TV as well because let's do it. It's relevant. it's relevant. Reality TV can is so much deeper than like a silly thing to watch where people just argue with each other all the time. Because it literally will shed light on these societal
Daphne Davis: issues and these themes that people are experiencing in their homes and with their friends and it's like on camera. Yes. And depending on the show, I know there can be some coaching. But my personal belief is that the best season of reality TV to watch is the first season of any show. Because they don't yet have like when they're taping, they don't know what the success is going to be like. They don't know what the response will be. And they don't yet have like the show
daphne cam deep, compressed: issues and these themes that people are experiencing in their homes and with their friends and it's like on camera. Yes. And depending on the show, I know there can be some coaching. But my personal belief is that the best season of reality TV to watch is the first season of any show. Because they don't yet have like when they're taping, they don't know what the success is going to be like. They don't know what the response will be. And they don't yet have like the show
Daphne Davis: To talk about A, because in season two and beyond it becomes like a plot line to be like, well, in season one, you said this about me. That's not it. It's more real, I think, in the first season. In addition, they don't know how to be on a reality show. They don't they haven't been coached and they haven't had the experience and like the PR exposure to be like, Okay, this is something I do say on camera and this is something I don't say on camera. Yeah, like video training.
daphne cam deep, compressed: To talk about A, because in season two and beyond it becomes like a plot line to be like, well, in season one, you said this about me. That's not it. It's more real, I think, in the first season. In addition, they don't know how to be on a reality show. They don't they haven't been coached and they haven't had the experience and like the PR exposure to be like, Okay, this is something I do say on camera and this is something I don't say on camera. Yeah, like video training.
Daphne Davis: And so what they bring to the table is often in that first season very real and very raw. So prefacing with that, the first season of Secret Lives, the girls on the cast all go on a trip together to Vegas. Okay. And they take their husbands as well to Vegas. The producers
daphne cam deep, compressed: And so what they bring to the table is often in that first season very real and very raw. So prefacing with that, the first season of Secret Lives, the girls on the cast all go on a trip together to Vegas. Okay. And they take their husbands as well to Vegas. The producers
Daphne Davis: arranged for the girls only to go to a Chippendale show. Okay. Because of cour like, yeah, we have these Mormon housewives, influencers. Mm-hmm. What better T V fodder than to take to a Chippendale show? Most of them have never been. Yep. And they're like these twenty three year old girls with like three babies at home. Yes. Going to Chippendales for the first time. Like the tension. Right. The tension. The drama. Yeah, there's a character a character. A cast member.
daphne cam deep, compressed: arranged for the girls only to go to a Chippendale show. Okay. Because of cour like, yeah, we have these Mormon housewives, influencers. Mm-hmm. What better T V fodder than to take to a Chippendale show? Most of them have never been. Yep. And they're like these twenty three year old girls with like three babies at home. Yes. Going to Chippendales for the first time. Like the tension. Right. The tension. The drama. Yeah, there's a character a character. A cast member.
Daphne Davis: Jen in this episode, who immediately when they're told they're going to Chippendales, like you can visibly see her like tense. She's freaking out because she knows that her husband is going to be upset. Mm-hmm. Like that's immediately her orientation. Yes. He is upset, turns out. Mm-hmm. and they go on to have and it's been a while since I've watched it, so the details are shady, but they go on to have this
daphne cam deep, compressed: Jen in this episode, who immediately when they're told they're going to Chippendales, like you can visibly see her like tense. She's freaking out because she knows that her husband is going to be upset. Mm-hmm. Like that's immediately her orientation. Yes. He is upset, turns out. Mm-hmm. and they go on to have and it's been a while since I've watched it, so the details are shady, but they go on to have this
Daphne Davis: Monumental fight via text. He like won't come back to the house. He's texting her, she's reading it to her friends on this trip. He's calling her a slut, he's calling her the meanest names ever. His wife. Yep. Who pays their bills. Pays their bills. And that's part of their issue and part of their dynamic.
daphne cam deep, compressed: Monumental fight via text. He like won't come back to the house. He's texting her, she's reading it to her friends on this trip. He's calling her a slut, he's calling her the meanest names ever. His wife. Yep. Who pays their bills. Pays their bills. And that's part of their issue and part of their dynamic.
Daphne Davis: Throughout the whole season, and part of why he gets so upset about this Chippendales thing is like he doesn't have the control in their relationship. Yes. And he feels lost because she's making twenty thousand dollars an Instagram post. Yeah. And he's like and I just what do I contribute? Exactly. I'm just supposed to like take care of our kids or like what? Yeah. And so Yeah. Just to your point of like.
daphne cam deep, compressed: Throughout the whole season, and part of why he gets so upset about this Chippendales thing is like he doesn't have the control in their relationship. Yes. And he feels lost because she's making twenty thousand dollars an Instagram post. Yeah. And he's like and I just what do I contribute? Exactly. I'm just supposed to like take care of our kids or like what? Yeah. And so Yeah. Just to your point of like.
Daphne Davis: how it creates these relationship dynamics that can be tense when it's the woman who is now in the position of like providing for the family. Yeah.
daphne cam deep, compressed: how it creates these relationship dynamics that can be tense when it's the woman who is now in the position of like providing for the family. Yeah.
Daphne Davis: I imagine that a lot of people, especially if they're a successful creator or someone that you love to follow, I imagine that they've gone through some iteration of that in their relationship. A hundred percent. And it's interesting to to just see the people that have gotten divorced. Like I would say I'm in that camp. Yeah. That's that's a camp. And then there's the ones that, you know, they do have these incredible supportive partnerships.
daphne cam deep, compressed: I imagine that a lot of people, especially if they're a successful creator or someone that you love to follow, I imagine that they've gone through some iteration of that in their relationship. A hundred percent. And it's interesting to to just see the people that have gotten divorced. Like I would say I'm in that camp. Yeah. That's that's a camp. And then there's the ones that, you know, they do have these incredible supportive partnerships.
Daphne Davis: and their their partner is on board and they're like, let's build this together. which I just kudos to to all y'all who have done that. it's just it's so interesting to like see that dynamic. So you were talking about another thing that I've been thinking about this whole thing.
daphne cam deep, compressed: and their their partner is on board and they're like, let's build this together. which I just kudos to to all y'all who have done that. it's just it's so interesting to like see that dynamic. So you were talking about another thing that I've been thinking about this whole thing.
Daphne Davis: And hearing the words like authenticity and trust and performance. You were talking about as an example, reality TV, which I actually think is a really close overlap to creators. Yeah. Because you are putting your life on blast.
daphne cam deep, compressed: And hearing the words like authenticity and trust and performance. You were talking about as an example, reality TV, which I actually think is a really close overlap to creators. Yeah. Because you are putting your life on blast.
Daphne Davis: for people to see. You're basically your own reality TV show producer if you want to be. And everybody's brand is different depending on like what their angle is. But if you want to succeed as a creator these days, you have to be able to like expose yourself, be visible, be vulnerable.
daphne cam deep, compressed: for people to see. You're basically your own reality TV show producer if you want to be. And everybody's brand is different depending on like what their angle is. But if you want to succeed as a creator these days, you have to be able to like expose yourself, be visible, be vulnerable.
Daphne Davis: You know, and you were saying like the first season in your experience, I think you are a reality TV expert. I would say so. Yeah. I vlogged a lot of hours. You are I think a really good source to be like, here are the themes that I'm noticing. It's like it's so compelling and rich because like they're not trying to be something they're not they are not performing. Yeah. No one's been cast yet as the villain. No one has been cast as like the fan favorite. Mm-hmm. Yeah, they're not performing. They are being themselves.
daphne cam deep, compressed: You know, and you were saying like the first season in your experience, I think you are a reality TV expert. I would say so. Yeah. I vlogged a lot of hours. You are I think a really good source to be like, here are the themes that I'm noticing. It's like it's so compelling and rich because like they're not trying to be something they're not they are not performing. Yeah. No one's been cast yet as the villain. No one has been cast as like the fan favorite. Mm-hmm. Yeah, they're not performing. They are being themselves.
Daphne Davis: So, like, and that's a question I think like I have about the creator industry. And I'm so curious to see where it goes. And I'm curious to just hear your thoughts because I think you're a really savvy, like, media consumer. She is. She's the best. I like to consume media. But you do it with like such a great lens of like being lighthearted and fun. You can see the deeper themes, and sometimes it needs to be there, sometimes it doesn't.
daphne cam deep, compressed: So, like, and that's a question I think like I have about the creator industry. And I'm so curious to see where it goes. And I'm curious to just hear your thoughts because I think you're a really savvy, like, media consumer. She is. She's the best. I like to consume media. But you do it with like such a great lens of like being lighthearted and fun. You can see the deeper themes, and sometimes it needs to be there, sometimes it doesn't.
Daphne Davis: Of like and for I'd like to make this relevant to our audience, it's like at what point has like this professional media public figure
daphne cam deep, compressed: Of like and for I'd like to make this relevant to our audience, it's like at what point has like this professional media public figure
Daphne Davis: Do you have to start like being like on screen Abby or on screen Daphne versus like, no, this is just who I am? Because I think like that's the whole argument in the media right now and the conversation at large is like this whole authenticity versus performance, like the whole thing with like ballerina farm. Like, is she actually doing all that stuff? No, she had probably has a huge production team in doing it. But like as a consumer, like you're expecting.
daphne cam deep, compressed: Do you have to start like being like on screen Abby or on screen Daphne versus like, no, this is just who I am? Because I think like that's the whole argument in the media right now and the conversation at large is like this whole authenticity versus performance, like the whole thing with like ballerina farm. Like, is she actually doing all that stuff? No, she had probably has a huge production team in doing it. But like as a consumer, like you're expecting.
Daphne Davis: You're wanting to connect with that person because they're supposed to be relatable. Even if they are aspirational, you still need to be relatable because you're just a person like me. But if you're being told you're a media company now, you kind of aren't. So like that's the tension that I'm grappling with right now that I'm like
daphne cam deep, compressed: You're wanting to connect with that person because they're supposed to be relatable. Even if they are aspirational, you still need to be relatable because you're just a person like me. But if you're being told you're a media company now, you kind of aren't. So like that's the tension that I'm grappling with right now that I'm like
Daphne Davis: What do we do with that? Like what's Yeah. And like what's your perspective on that, I guess? I mean, the people that I like to follow the most are the people that seem seem. Mm-hmm. Which is a huge like caveat to all of this, because I don't know them. Mm-hmm. So they seem to be the people who are just documenting.
daphne cam deep, compressed: What do we do with that? Like what's Yeah. And like what's your perspective on that, I guess? I mean, the people that I like to follow the most are the people that seem seem. Mm-hmm. Which is a huge like caveat to all of this, because I don't know them. Mm-hmm. So they seem to be the people who are just documenting.
Daphne Davis: And sharing their lives. And I like to follow people who are doing something interesting. Like what? I don't like I would love to follow people who are just like selling me something. Okay. Unless you know, I mean, I guess you yourself don't follow people because some people have a whole platform that's like, I'm here to sell you shit. No, totally. But you know what to expect. Right. But I like to
daphne cam deep, compressed: And sharing their lives. And I like to follow people who are doing something interesting. Like what? I don't like I would love to follow people who are just like selling me something. Okay. Unless you know, I mean, I guess you yourself don't follow people because some people have a whole platform that's like, I'm here to sell you shit. No, totally. But you know what to expect. Right. But I like to
Daphne Davis: Even if they are selling me something, it has to make sense with like the main thing and the main purpose that their life serves. Like which sounds like a crazy ask. Like as I'm saying that, I'm like, who's even doing that? But like, for example, I follow this
daphne cam deep, compressed: Even if they are selling me something, it has to make sense with like the main thing and the main purpose that their life serves. Like which sounds like a crazy ask. Like as I'm saying that, I'm like, who's even doing that? But like, for example, I follow this
Daphne Davis: a hiking enthusiast. She does like my tie lessons. She lives in Amsterdam. She's a badass. Yeah. She has like a clothing line. So she's selling her clothing line okay through her lifestyle content a lot of the time. Okay. She does a lot of brand partnerships, goes on a lot of brand trips and stuff. Okay. But the reason I like to follow her is because she seems like she doesn't take it that seriously. Mm-hmm. And it seems like a natural extension of the stuff that she would be doing anyway, even if there was not
daphne cam deep, compressed: a hiking enthusiast. She does like my tie lessons. She lives in Amsterdam. She's a badass. Yeah. She has like a clothing line. So she's selling her clothing line okay through her lifestyle content a lot of the time. Okay. She does a lot of brand partnerships, goes on a lot of brand trips and stuff. Okay. But the reason I like to follow her is because she seems like she doesn't take it that seriously. Mm-hmm. And it seems like a natural extension of the stuff that she would be doing anyway, even if there was not
Daphne Davis: a camera involved. So I don't know to your question of like what do we do? Like as creators, do we lean into ourselves and then maybe lose some of that? Right. Because by nature of sharing about it, it seems to dilute it a little bit. Right. Or do we protect parts of ourselves and go
daphne cam deep, compressed: a camera involved. So I don't know to your question of like what do we do? Like as creators, do we lean into ourselves and then maybe lose some of that? Right. Because by nature of sharing about it, it seems to dilute it a little bit. Right. Or do we protect parts of ourselves and go
Daphne Davis: like have this persona that's just our social media persona right and then risk like the disconnect with the audience. Right. And the authenticity piece. Because I don't know. I don't know either. But like I think this is like a relevant conversation to be happening because if the platforms and the brands right now are like, we want you to be authentic and we want we want your trust because you've built authenticity. It's like
daphne cam deep, compressed: like have this persona that's just our social media persona right and then risk like the disconnect with the audience. Right. And the authenticity piece. Because I don't know. I don't know either. But like I think this is like a relevant conversation to be happening because if the platforms and the brands right now are like, we want you to be authentic and we want we want your trust because you've built authenticity. It's like
Daphne Davis: Okay, if that becomes my most valuable one of my most valuable intangible assets, like how do I protect that? How do I how do I curate that? Which in itself is like completely antithetical to the whole point of authenticity in the first place. When you have to like plan right around something. Yeah. So it's just like understand like how yeah. What does it even mean? I know. Do you know who Meg Stalter is? No. She's a comedian. Okay. I was actually talking about her
daphne cam deep, compressed: Okay, if that becomes my most valuable one of my most valuable intangible assets, like how do I protect that? How do I how do I curate that? Which in itself is like completely antithetical to the whole point of authenticity in the first place. When you have to like plan right around something. Yeah. So it's just like understand like how yeah. What does it even mean? I know. Do you know who Meg Stalter is? No. She's a comedian. Okay. I was actually talking about her
Daphne Davis: last night because while we're in New York, I was like, how fun would it be to go see a show? Yeah. And have you heard of Mary? The Broadway show? Mm-hmm. It's about Mary Todd Lincoln. yeah. Cola School has started it. Yes. But right now, Mary is Meg Stalter. And so I was trying to describe to Meg Stalter is playing Mary. Yeah. That's what I mean. So I was trying to describe to Anthony like who Meg Stalter is. And I was like, she's this comedian.
daphne cam deep, compressed: last night because while we're in New York, I was like, how fun would it be to go see a show? Yeah. And have you heard of Mary? The Broadway show? Mm-hmm. It's about Mary Todd Lincoln. yeah. Cola School has started it. Yes. But right now, Mary is Meg Stalter. And so I was trying to describe to Meg Stalter is playing Mary. Yeah. That's what I mean. So I was trying to describe to Anthony like who Meg Stalter is. And I was like, she's this comedian.
Daphne Davis: She is kind of like Nathan Fielder in the sense that like she's constantly playing a bit. Like even her when she's not in a part, yeah, when she's on talk shows, she's playing this like persona that makes stalter. Yes. And I find that so interesting because it creates this layer of like
daphne cam deep, compressed: She is kind of like Nathan Fielder in the sense that like she's constantly playing a bit. Like even her when she's not in a part, yeah, when she's on talk shows, she's playing this like persona that makes stalter. Yes. And I find that so interesting because it creates this layer of like
Daphne Davis: Who even is she? Like like mystique. Yes. Like when she's just with her friends, is she this persona person? Like is there any truth in that persona? Yeah. Or is she fully just acting all the time? And if so, how exhausted is she? Right. 'Cause like that's the thing about putting up these personas and these appearances is like it takes effort to upkeep them.
daphne cam deep, compressed: Who even is she? Like like mystique. Yes. Like when she's just with her friends, is she this persona person? Like is there any truth in that persona? Yeah. Or is she fully just acting all the time? And if so, how exhausted is she? Right. 'Cause like that's the thing about putting up these personas and these appearances is like it takes effort to upkeep them.
Daphne Davis: And then especially imagine if you create this like empire and you run into people in the wild and you're making in person connections. Yep. You do not, I don't think, want to have to be operating from code switching who they think you are. To your persona. Yeah. Who they think you are all the time.
daphne cam deep, compressed: And then especially imagine if you create this like empire and you run into people in the wild and you're making in person connections. Yep. You do not, I don't think, want to have to be operating from code switching who they think you are. To your persona. Yeah. Who they think you are all the time.
Daphne Davis: So I would think, and I'm not a creator, but I would think if I were to build something, that it would be it would serve me best in all areas of my life if I just started from
daphne cam deep, compressed: So I would think, and I'm not a creator, but I would think if I were to build something, that it would be it would serve me best in all areas of my life if I just started from
Daphne Davis: being naturally who I am. But then that comes I know. How deep do we want to get here? Because we're going like this is what I do. I don't even care. I don't even know. We're going for it. We're doing it becomes this question of like, 'cause I think that's also what's gets lost a lot of the time in like coaching or in creators who get asked for their advice of like, how do I start this? And they're like, just be yourself. And that's what if you're being yourself and nobody cares. Like nobody's paying you to You just asked
daphne cam deep, compressed: being naturally who I am. But then that comes I know. How deep do we want to get here? Because we're going like this is what I do. I don't even care. I don't even know. We're going for it. We're doing it becomes this question of like, 'cause I think that's also what's gets lost a lot of the time in like coaching or in creators who get asked for their advice of like, how do I start this? And they're like, just be yourself. And that's what if you're being yourself and nobody cares. Like nobody's paying you to You just asked
Daphne Davis: think one or like ask slash made a really great observation I think about a huge issue that runs into it and like it's a fear. It's a fear. And but it's also like a real thing. And there have been conversations before, you know, even with our own in our own community that it's like how how do you do that? How do you build
daphne cam deep, compressed: think one or like ask slash made a really great observation I think about a huge issue that runs into it and like it's a fear. It's a fear. And but it's also like a real thing. And there have been conversations before, you know, even with our own in our own community that it's like how how do you do that? How do you build
Daphne Davis: like an interesting brand if you yourself aren't something that's like compelling to people. Yeah. Or even naturally like outgoing or naturally like I don't know. Like when I record stuff for Tastemaker, I have to like
daphne cam deep, compressed: like an interesting brand if you yourself aren't something that's like compelling to people. Yeah. Or even naturally like outgoing or naturally like I don't know. Like when I record stuff for Tastemaker, I have to like
Daphne Davis: remind myself to speak like speak faster. Like you know. There's a cadence. We even said that I mean like I'm the same way. Like when I was like, I feel like I should probably smile more. But yeah, but then that's the thing is it's like Aren't we tired of being told we need to smile as women? Clip that. Dear media, clip that. That's a joke. from my favorite podcast, which is Ride. Anyway.
daphne cam deep, compressed: remind myself to speak like speak faster. Like you know. There's a cadence. We even said that I mean like I'm the same way. Like when I was like, I feel like I should probably smile more. But yeah, but then that's the thing is it's like Aren't we tired of being told we need to smile as women? Clip that. Dear media, clip that. That's a joke. from my favorite podcast, which is Ride. Anyway.
Daphne Davis: Yeah. So what if you're being yourself and the likes aren't coming in and the brand deals aren't coming in? What do you do then? Yeah.
daphne cam deep, compressed: Yeah. So what if you're being yourself and the likes aren't coming in and the brand deals aren't coming in? What do you do then? Yeah.
Daphne Davis: And it's like, is well then I think it's a hard conversation too of like, maybe this isn't for me. And I think it's this conversation too of like, if creators are now going to be treated as like celebrities and celebrity adjacent, think of all the people that go come to New York City and they or they go to LA to like make it big. Yeah. And the the story of I'm I'm a waiter in a restaurant while I'm waiting for like my big opportunity. And it's like creator.
daphne cam deep, compressed: And it's like, is well then I think it's a hard conversation too of like, maybe this isn't for me. And I think it's this conversation too of like, if creators are now going to be treated as like celebrities and celebrity adjacent, think of all the people that go come to New York City and they or they go to LA to like make it big. Yeah. And the the story of I'm I'm a waiter in a restaurant while I'm waiting for like my big opportunity. And it's like creator.
Daphne Davis: economy cuts out that middle person, but what it doesn't cut out is like how people will receive you and if you're able to succeed in that way and it's like this is still so new. We're starting to see that, but it's like how yeah, how do you get yourself to a level of fame, I suppose, that you're like chasing? Mm-hmm. Well in in a way, like you can get more
daphne cam deep, compressed: economy cuts out that middle person, but what it doesn't cut out is like how people will receive you and if you're able to succeed in that way and it's like this is still so new. We're starting to see that, but it's like how yeah, how do you get yourself to a level of fame, I suppose, that you're like chasing? Mm-hmm. Well in in a way, like you can get more
Daphne Davis: eyes on you through social media than people have ever had on them before. True. Like even celebrities. Mm-hmm. And creators are becoming celebrities. Yes. Like the Time One Hundred report. Mm-hmm. that just recom recognized the hundred like
daphne cam deep, compressed: eyes on you through social media than people have ever had on them before. True. Like even celebrities. Mm-hmm. And creators are becoming celebrities. Yes. Like the Time One Hundred report. Mm-hmm. that just recom recognized the hundred like
Daphne Davis: Creators of the year. okay. It's the creators of the year. Mm-hmm. Those are like household names. They're literally household names. Or I t I've talked about this before. Like my children are ages nine through fourteen and they exclusively watch YouTube. Mm-hmm. And like they don't care about celebrity culture because to them it's like the YouTubers and like their household names. Yeah. To that. And I like and I think that's kind of like the direction that it's going.
daphne cam deep, compressed: Creators of the year. okay. It's the creators of the year. Mm-hmm. Those are like household names. They're literally household names. Or I t I've talked about this before. Like my children are ages nine through fourteen and they exclusively watch YouTube. Mm-hmm. And like they don't care about celebrity culture because to them it's like the YouTubers and like their household names. Yeah. To that. And I like and I think that's kind of like the direction that it's going.
Daphne Davis: YouTubers and people who can capture an audience, but it's like, what are they doing that is so captivating?
daphne cam deep, compressed: YouTubers and people who can capture an audience, but it's like, what are they doing that is so captivating?
Daphne Davis: And did they just stumble into it? Right. Or was there a strategy behind it? Because I think like that's the story too, of like, well, just be yourself. And like, what the hell does that even mean? Because I just I don't know that I buy into that. Like you know, and they tell their stories of like I worked really hard for this. And there are strategies for that of how to manufacture stickiness and success. And here's the other thing. A lot of times
daphne cam deep, compressed: And did they just stumble into it? Right. Or was there a strategy behind it? Because I think like that's the story too, of like, well, just be yourself. And like, what the hell does that even mean? Because I just I don't know that I buy into that. Like you know, and they tell their stories of like I worked really hard for this. And there are strategies for that of how to manufacture stickiness and success. And here's the other thing. A lot of times
Daphne Davis: It's who you know and your connections for sure. I think we sometimes forget like how powerful your network is to like your success. but also like that's the power of the creator economy in a way too. It's like decentralizing that power and is giving people the ability to like create that for themselves. these are the things that keep me up at night. 'Cause I'm like, everybody can do it, but it's like, can they? In theory, I think.
daphne cam deep, compressed: It's who you know and your connections for sure. I think we sometimes forget like how powerful your network is to like your success. but also like that's the power of the creator economy in a way too. It's like decentralizing that power and is giving people the ability to like create that for themselves. these are the things that keep me up at night. 'Cause I'm like, everybody can do it, but it's like, can they? In theory, I think.
Daphne Davis: Yes. In theory the tools are there, the eyeballs are there. the platforms are there. There are avenues that anyone with a phone could pick up their phone and like use to create money or create a platform. But I think what this boils down to the question of like, okay, so what if you try and fail? Like what if you want
daphne cam deep, compressed: Yes. In theory the tools are there, the eyeballs are there. the platforms are there. There are avenues that anyone with a phone could pick up their phone and like use to create money or create a platform. But I think what this boils down to the question of like, okay, so what if you try and fail? Like what if you want
Daphne Davis: I think what I'm saying is I think that it comes back to why you do it. Because there's one path where you set out with monetization and
daphne cam deep, compressed: I think what I'm saying is I think that it comes back to why you do it. Because there's one path where you set out with monetization and
Daphne Davis: some level of fame as the goal. Yeah. And that's what you're working toward. And so if no one's watching and paying attention, it does feel like a failure. Yeah. But there's the other avatar, which is like I just like to bake. Yep. And I want people to bake my recipes 'cause I think they're good. Yeah.
daphne cam deep, compressed: some level of fame as the goal. Yeah. And that's what you're working toward. And so if no one's watching and paying attention, it does feel like a failure. Yeah. But there's the other avatar, which is like I just like to bake. Yep. And I want people to bake my recipes 'cause I think they're good. Yeah.
Daphne Davis: That feels more like altruistic. Like that path feels like mission driven. Yeah. And I also think that consumers, like I was saying, the people that I like to follow, I don't like to be overly sold. And I don't like to be sold if it doesn't make sense with the person who's selling it. And I think that's because consumers have this like spidey sense of like
daphne cam deep, compressed: That feels more like altruistic. Like that path feels like mission driven. Yeah. And I also think that consumers, like I was saying, the people that I like to follow, I don't like to be overly sold. And I don't like to be sold if it doesn't make sense with the person who's selling it. And I think that's because consumers have this like spidey sense of like
Daphne Davis: that person is in this because they want my money through some channel or other. Yeah. They want my attention. They want some part of me. Yep. You can feel that, right? Yeah. And I So that's what I would say. Like you have to not to say you have to have the right reasons, but I also like to go back to our gender question. Like, do women just have
daphne cam deep, compressed: that person is in this because they want my money through some channel or other. Yeah. They want my attention. They want some part of me. Yep. You can feel that, right? Yeah. And I So that's what I would say. Like you have to not to say you have to have the right reasons, but I also like to go back to our gender question. Like, do women just have
Daphne Davis: unfair expectations put on them in the content creator space. Like think about female creators and how they have to look and how they have to talk and what they have to do to capture attention versus like any Joe Schmoe man that picks up a phone and has something to say. Or even looking at like the difference of what type of food content women create broadly versus men and like how that's approached. And I think like
daphne cam deep, compressed: unfair expectations put on them in the content creator space. Like think about female creators and how they have to look and how they have to talk and what they have to do to capture attention versus like any Joe Schmoe man that picks up a phone and has something to say. Or even looking at like the difference of what type of food content women create broadly versus men and like how that's approached. And I think like
Daphne Davis: Right. The big takeaway here, and I think something we've been saying to our audience and our community forever was
daphne cam deep, compressed: Right. The big takeaway here, and I think something we've been saying to our audience and our community forever was
Daphne Davis: If you connect to your point to like why you're doing it and you genuinely want to help your audience and you want to teach them something and you want to give back, I think and you do it from like a layer of like empathy that truly is mission driven. I think that is the the connecting piece and factor. And I think that is just like a deeply like feminine energy that I think
daphne cam deep, compressed: If you connect to your point to like why you're doing it and you genuinely want to help your audience and you want to teach them something and you want to give back, I think and you do it from like a layer of like empathy that truly is mission driven. I think that is the the connecting piece and factor. And I think that is just like a deeply like feminine energy that I think
Daphne Davis: male, female, non-binary, whatever can embody. and I do think that is like the power of the creator economy in a way, because I do believe its roots are that come from that place. And like that gives me hope for the future too, to be like women can and should be leading. Absolutely. And I think the creator economy gives women
daphne cam deep, compressed: male, female, non-binary, whatever can embody. and I do think that is like the power of the creator economy in a way, because I do believe its roots are that come from that place. And like that gives me hope for the future too, to be like women can and should be leading. Absolutely. And I think the creator economy gives women
Daphne Davis: An advantage to do that. Yeah, I would agree. And it seems like women kind of created the creator economy. Which is a very feminine energy, like this creation aspect. Like it didn't exist until women started writing about their experiences and sharing them. And that's really beautiful. So cool. Yeah. Okay, well. We love women.
daphne cam deep, compressed: An advantage to do that. Yeah, I would agree. And it seems like women kind of created the creator economy. Which is a very feminine energy, like this creation aspect. Like it didn't exist until women started writing about their experiences and sharing them. And that's really beautiful. So cool. Yeah. Okay, well. We love women.
Daphne Davis: Go girls. Yeah, we love women of all variations and I just think it's cool that we can do this and like try to help everyone. Yeah. But I do think a large part of our audience is women and there's a reason for that. Because women are doing cool shit.
daphne cam deep, compressed: Go girls. Yeah, we love women of all variations and I just think it's cool that we can do this and like try to help everyone. Yeah. But I do think a large part of our audience is women and there's a reason for that. Because women are doing cool shit.
Daphne Davis: Girl power. Yeah. Okay, well, that was kind of a heavy episode. And we kind of jumped all over the place. But it was like our car conversations too. Like as we're riding around places, like speaking to the authenticity piece, I hate that word so much, probably because it's just like who I am as a person. But it's And also because it's been co-opted. Like it's it's now got this attachment. Like appropriate. Yeah, that's very like
daphne cam deep, compressed: Girl power. Yeah. Okay, well, that was kind of a heavy episode. And we kind of jumped all over the place. But it was like our car conversations too. Like as we're riding around places, like speaking to the authenticity piece, I hate that word so much, probably because it's just like who I am as a person. But it's And also because it's been co-opted. Like it's it's now got this attachment. Like appropriate. Yeah, that's very like
Daphne Davis: I would say. And also like these are the conversations we're having, like sidebar chats in our rides and it at at meals and things. And I want to I want to have those conversations here publicly because I think those are the things people are caring about.
daphne cam deep, compressed: I would say. And also like these are the conversations we're having, like sidebar chats in our rides and it at at meals and things. And I want to I want to have those conversations here publicly because I think those are the things people are caring about.
Daphne Davis: Yeah, I agree. If we're thinking about it and wondering about it and asking these questions, I guarantee you that lots of other people are too. So we see you if that's you. Mm-hmm. And we're here for you if that's you.
daphne cam deep, compressed: Yeah, I agree. If we're thinking about it and wondering about it and asking these questions, I guarantee you that lots of other people are too. So we see you if that's you. Mm-hmm. And we're here for you if that's you.
Daphne Davis: And come to Tasemaker if that's you. That's true. Come meet people to have these conversations. Yeah. And like you said to your point, this is what women are talking about when they gather together. And it's important to make those spaces and make that time to do that. Love it. So do it. Do it. January, San Antonio.
daphne cam deep, compressed: And come to Tasemaker if that's you. That's true. Come meet people to have these conversations. Yeah. And like you said to your point, this is what women are talking about when they gather together. And it's important to make those spaces and make that time to do that. Love it. So do it. Do it. January, San Antonio.
Daphne Davis: Such a good marketer. We want to see you there. Daphne. We do. Please come. It's why we created it. and I just I love our community. I love it. It's incredible. Same. cheers to that. See you. We love you. Bye.
daphne cam deep, compressed: Such a good marketer. We want to see you there. Daphne. We do. Please come. It's why we created it. and I just I love our community. I love it. It's incredible. Same. cheers to that. See you. We love you. Bye.
daphne cam deep, compressed: Recording in progress.
Daphne Davis: Sound that haunts me, to me.
daphne cam deep, compressed: Sound that haunts me, to me.
Daphne Davis: Goo wake up in a cold sweat. When I hear that sound. Hi. Hi. We're talking about how much we love sleep because we're tired. We're tired because women need more sleep. Yeah. Now that women's help people give a hoot about it. Yeah. Tell me the recommendation again. I'm pretty sure it's like ten to twelve hours. Perfect, right?
daphne cam deep, compressed: Goo wake up in a cold sweat. When I hear that sound. Hi. Hi. We're talking about how much we love sleep because we're tired. We're tired because women need more sleep. Yeah. Now that women's help people give a hoot about it. Yeah. Tell me the recommendation again. I'm pretty sure it's like ten to twelve hours. Perfect, right?
Daphne Davis: Can I get like a prescription? Can I get a in writing? No, I do I love to sleep. And I do protect it and like prioritize it above anything else. Mm-hmm. man. I know when you like you don't sleep well, like it just ruins. Ten
daphne cam deep, compressed: Can I get like a prescription? Can I get a in writing? No, I do I love to sleep. And I do protect it and like prioritize it above anything else. Mm-hmm. man. I know when you like you don't sleep well, like it just ruins. Ten
Daphne Davis: Hours is kind of my sweet spot. Honestly, I perform best at ten. So what time do you go to bed? That has shifted dramatically. It used to be really early, like nine thirty. Okay. When I was teaching, because I had a lot of sleep and I had to get up early. Time did you wake up as a teacher? Well, when I was teaching here in New York, I had to be there at six.
daphne cam deep, compressed: Hours is kind of my sweet spot. Honestly, I perform best at ten. So what time do you go to bed? That has shifted dramatically. It used to be really early, like nine thirty. Okay. When I was teaching, because I had a lot of sleep and I had to get up early. Time did you wake up as a teacher? Well, when I was teaching here in New York, I had to be there at six.
Daphne Davis: Be there at six. Be there at six. So you would wake up at five forty five. That's what my nightmares are made of. Waking up and being like, I can't go back to sleep after this. Uhhuh. But then no, Utah was little more normal. I would wake up at like six thirty. Had to be there at eight. Okay. But now I'm sleeping until eight most of the time. I get it well see I have a
daphne cam deep, compressed: Be there at six. Be there at six. So you would wake up at five forty five. That's what my nightmares are made of. Waking up and being like, I can't go back to sleep after this. Uhhuh. But then no, Utah was little more normal. I would wake up at like six thirty. Had to be there at eight. Okay. But now I'm sleeping until eight most of the time. I get it well see I have a
Daphne Davis: Have a whole routine. What's the routine? As you do too, I'm sure. I should be. I sometimes do. I brush I was gonna say brush my face, wash my teeth. Accurate. Yeah. So I do that. And then I get in bed at probably like ten thirty, ten, and I read every night. What are you reading? Right now I'm reading a Rosamond Pilchner.
daphne cam deep, compressed: Have a whole routine. What's the routine? As you do too, I'm sure. I should be. I sometimes do. I brush I was gonna say brush my face, wash my teeth. Accurate. Yeah. So I do that. And then I get in bed at probably like ten thirty, ten, and I read every night. What are you reading? Right now I'm reading a Rosamond Pilchner.
Daphne Davis: novel I think that's her last name. she writes like really long, cozy British like like post-World War II. Grab like a a mug of tea. Exactly. They're so long cozy blanky. She literally follows the character through like their entire life, which I love. But I also just finished Demon Copperhead. It was the first time I read that
daphne cam deep, compressed: novel I think that's her last name. she writes like really long, cozy British like like post-World War II. Grab like a a mug of tea. Exactly. They're so long cozy blanky. She literally follows the character through like their entire life, which I love. But I also just finished Demon Copperhead. It was the first time I read that
Daphne Davis: I love Barbara King Silver. She's probably my favorite author. Incredible. And had never read Demon Coverhead. So I tore through that. I read that in like three days. A what? Yeah. You should you deserve like some sort of medal change. It like all I wanted to do. I was just like
daphne cam deep, compressed: I love Barbara King Silver. She's probably my favorite author. Incredible. And had never read Demon Coverhead. So I tore through that. I read that in like three days. A what? Yeah. You should you deserve like some sort of medal change. It like all I wanted to do. I was just like
Daphne Davis: I'm only like a quarter of the way through it. I mean I I started listening to it when I was when it first came out and was like How did it come out? A couple of years ago. and it was just so like emotionally heavy, I feel like that I was like, I need to take a break. Yeah, it is. I love but I love the narration was so good. Mm-hmm.
daphne cam deep, compressed: I'm only like a quarter of the way through it. I mean I I started listening to it when I was when it first came out and was like How did it come out? A couple of years ago. and it was just so like emotionally heavy, I feel like that I was like, I need to take a break. Yeah, it is. I love but I love the narration was so good. Mm-hmm.
Daphne Davis: Her stories are all she's incredible. I love that she uses which this kind of ties into what we want to talk about today. Everything you've said so far. I love what she how she uses her identity of like growing up in Appalachia. Like all of her stories take place in the south and near Appalachia and have to do with like the poverty around that and it makes the stories just so much richer.
daphne cam deep, compressed: Her stories are all she's incredible. I love that she uses which this kind of ties into what we want to talk about today. Everything you've said so far. I love what she how she uses her identity of like growing up in Appalachia. Like all of her stories take place in the south and near Appalachia and have to do with like the poverty around that and it makes the stories just so much richer.
Daphne Davis: Because she's using what she has experienced firsthand. Yeah. And I think sometimes people see that maybe as like a crutch when it comes to writing. And maybe even maybe content, I'm not sure. Mm-hmm. Where it's like, can't they like talk about something else? Like, can't they?
daphne cam deep, compressed: Because she's using what she has experienced firsthand. Yeah. And I think sometimes people see that maybe as like a crutch when it comes to writing. And maybe even maybe content, I'm not sure. Mm-hmm. Where it's like, can't they like talk about something else? Like, can't they?
Daphne Davis: you know, write about a character who grew up in a completely different, like other side of the world. I don't like It doesn't make sense. Why would they do that? I mean you can. You can use your imagination, you can research, but like, don't you feel that that misses a core part of like what makes a story compelling? Mm-hmm. I actually have had like very deep conversations with like my fellow writer friends because like our creators, like we have to write. Like that's to your point, it's like
daphne cam deep, compressed: you know, write about a character who grew up in a completely different, like other side of the world. I don't like It doesn't make sense. Why would they do that? I mean you can. You can use your imagination, you can research, but like, don't you feel that that misses a core part of like what makes a story compelling? Mm-hmm. I actually have had like very deep conversations with like my fellow writer friends because like our creators, like we have to write. Like that's to your point, it's like
Daphne Davis: People are coming to you because you're a real human being and they want to hear your lived experience. The sociologist in me will always say, Talk about your lived experience. I know that's up for debate, but I think that like that's your strongest, most compelling story. Like, yeah, you can go try to tell a different story or a different narrative about something and someone, but like you don't know because you haven't lived it. So you miss.
daphne cam deep, compressed: People are coming to you because you're a real human being and they want to hear your lived experience. The sociologist in me will always say, Talk about your lived experience. I know that's up for debate, but I think that like that's your strongest, most compelling story. Like, yeah, you can go try to tell a different story or a different narrative about something and someone, but like you don't know because you haven't lived it. So you miss.
Daphne Davis: so much of like that nuance and detail that's like at the core of those things that just keep you up at night thinking about a story or flipping a page or like to keep scrolling or to subscribe or whatever the action is because like it's that emotional thread that because you've lived it. Yeah. And I think Barbara King Solver is such a good example of that. Yeah. Because she's she like she gets the emotional intensity of it. Yes. Which we're
daphne cam deep, compressed: so much of like that nuance and detail that's like at the core of those things that just keep you up at night thinking about a story or flipping a page or like to keep scrolling or to subscribe or whatever the action is because like it's that emotional thread that because you've lived it. Yeah. And I think Barbara King Solver is such a good example of that. Yeah. Because she's she like she gets the emotional intensity of it. Yes. Which we're
Daphne Davis: We're talking about I you know, gender, I guess, in like d demographics of those things because to some people it's like, I don't wanna talk about that. Why is that relevant to what I'm doing as a creator? But I think like
daphne cam deep, compressed: We're talking about I you know, gender, I guess, in like d demographics of those things because to some people it's like, I don't wanna talk about that. Why is that relevant to what I'm doing as a creator? But I think like
Daphne Davis: It's such an important foundational piece to like understand the system that you're operating within and like how did it come to be and how does that impact you? Like that is obviously I'm very obsessed with that and that is how I like view the world. and so as I've been writing my own book and like thesis just about the politics of the creator economy.
daphne cam deep, compressed: It's such an important foundational piece to like understand the system that you're operating within and like how did it come to be and how does that impact you? Like that is obviously I'm very obsessed with that and that is how I like view the world. and so as I've been writing my own book and like thesis just about the politics of the creator economy.
Daphne Davis: I used to be really resistant, I think, to I mean, I would share the story. I've shared it a million times with the our community that already exists of like how I came into this space. Yeah. But I think the interesting thing, and I've also talked to my fellow like female writer friends about this, is like with the conversations of trad wives and seeing people like Ballerina Farm and Nara Smith and Yesteryear and you know, all of those things that have popped up.
daphne cam deep, compressed: I used to be really resistant, I think, to I mean, I would share the story. I've shared it a million times with the our community that already exists of like how I came into this space. Yeah. But I think the interesting thing, and I've also talked to my fellow like female writer friends about this, is like with the conversations of trad wives and seeing people like Ballerina Farm and Nara Smith and Yesteryear and you know, all of those things that have popped up.
Daphne Davis: It's like people I think are getting really curious about like where did this come from? Like why is this a part of this world? And like 'cause people are obsessed with it, like secret lives of Mormon wives, like all of those things. Yeah, they're getting a franchise. Yeah. But they're like going everywhere. Because Mormons are everywhere. Because Mormons are everywhere.
daphne cam deep, compressed: It's like people I think are getting really curious about like where did this come from? Like why is this a part of this world? And like 'cause people are obsessed with it, like secret lives of Mormon wives, like all of those things. Yeah, they're getting a franchise. Yeah. But they're like going everywhere. Because Mormons are everywhere. Because Mormons are everywhere.
Daphne Davis: And so that is what we're here, honestly, probably to talk about. And we can say that because we were Mormon. Yeah, and we actually had a really good conversation about this. And here's the thing. like I have a very specific
daphne cam deep, compressed: And so that is what we're here, honestly, probably to talk about. And we can say that because we were Mormon. Yeah, and we actually had a really good conversation about this. And here's the thing. like I have a very specific
Daphne Davis: belief that the creator economy foundationally, I mean, I can't definitively prove this, but like based on my own lived experience, that so many roots of the roots of the creator economy where it got its foundational underpinnings and footage like start, like a big part of the start of it, I mean not all of it, is based in Mormon mommy bloggers that are essentially like trad wives. Yeah. Myself included. Yeah.
daphne cam deep, compressed: belief that the creator economy foundationally, I mean, I can't definitively prove this, but like based on my own lived experience, that so many roots of the roots of the creator economy where it got its foundational underpinnings and footage like start, like a big part of the start of it, I mean not all of it, is based in Mormon mommy bloggers that are essentially like trad wives. Yeah. Myself included. Yeah.
Daphne Davis: I'm just yeah, so it's like gender and religion are such a huge component of the creator space. And whether you're Mormon or not, like I think a lot of people in our community are women, right? And it started a food blog as a way to like talk about feeding their families and to be, you know, being like a provider of of sustenance and meals to their children and their spouses and whomever. And also
daphne cam deep, compressed: I'm just yeah, so it's like gender and religion are such a huge component of the creator space. And whether you're Mormon or not, like I think a lot of people in our community are women, right? And it started a food blog as a way to like talk about feeding their families and to be, you know, being like a provider of of sustenance and meals to their children and their spouses and whomever. And also
Daphne Davis: Having something to do, like when your kids grow up and your kids go to school and suddenly you have like six hours of the day to yourself. And you want to contribute financially to your household. But like But you've been raising babies for the past six years. Yeah. Six plus years. And like that's the story I think I've had so many offline conversations with women in our community about this. And sometimes I'm like, do we talk about that? Like, does anybody care? But like I think
daphne cam deep, compressed: Having something to do, like when your kids grow up and your kids go to school and suddenly you have like six hours of the day to yourself. And you want to contribute financially to your household. But like But you've been raising babies for the past six years. Yeah. Six plus years. And like that's the story I think I've had so many offline conversations with women in our community about this. And sometimes I'm like, do we talk about that? Like, does anybody care? But like I think
Daphne Davis: I think that like of course we care. Like why does why is that the conversation that like when we're at dinner together at like one of our events or after parties or whatever, when we do meet in person at Tastemaker, it's like that, you know, is like ever the thing that everybody wants to talk about. Yeah.
daphne cam deep, compressed: I think that like of course we care. Like why does why is that the conversation that like when we're at dinner together at like one of our events or after parties or whatever, when we do meet in person at Tastemaker, it's like that, you know, is like ever the thing that everybody wants to talk about. Yeah.
Daphne Davis: So how does it usually come up though? Like 'cause it feels quite vulnerable. It's very vulnerable. And even talk like even teeing this up, like I feel the energy shift a little bit. Like this is kind of a heavy not heavy, but it's like not quite so lighthearted, you know? Yes. Because it's speaking to something, like you said, like a core piece of someone's identity. Yeah. So when you're out in the wild and you're talking, you're having conversations with tastemakers or with other people in your network or even your friends, like
daphne cam deep, compressed: So how does it usually come up though? Like 'cause it feels quite vulnerable. It's very vulnerable. And even talk like even teeing this up, like I feel the energy shift a little bit. Like this is kind of a heavy not heavy, but it's like not quite so lighthearted, you know? Yes. Because it's speaking to something, like you said, like a core piece of someone's identity. Yeah. So when you're out in the wild and you're talking, you're having conversations with tastemakers or with other people in your network or even your friends, like
Daphne Davis: How does it usually come up? Yeah. Who opens the door first? So I think like you have to I think be disarming enough as a person to be able to have vulnerable conversations, which like I'm that type of person. And then I'm like, I don't I wanna talk to you about like who are you? Like what makes you tick? And like why are you you? So that I acknowledge some of that is a me thing. But I think that like people want to be heard and they wanna talk about it because it comes up, for example, I had a conversation,
daphne cam deep, compressed: How does it usually come up? Yeah. Who opens the door first? So I think like you have to I think be disarming enough as a person to be able to have vulnerable conversations, which like I'm that type of person. And then I'm like, I don't I wanna talk to you about like who are you? Like what makes you tick? And like why are you you? So that I acknowledge some of that is a me thing. But I think that like people want to be heard and they wanna talk about it because it comes up, for example, I had a conversation,
Daphne Davis: With somebody in our community at one of our dinners, and we were just, you know, she's been coming to our events for years and years. And I sat next to her. I'm like, I've never sat down to actually talk to you before. Tell me about your life. And we were just talking about like going through divorce because I got divorced, you know, five years ago and just like the vulnerability and complexity of that.
daphne cam deep, compressed: With somebody in our community at one of our dinners, and we were just, you know, she's been coming to our events for years and years. And I sat next to her. I'm like, I've never sat down to actually talk to you before. Tell me about your life. And we were just talking about like going through divorce because I got divorced, you know, five years ago and just like the vulnerability and complexity of that.
Daphne Davis: And we started talking about just like how grateful she was that she had her blog and her
daphne cam deep, compressed: And we started talking about just like how grateful she was that she had her blog and her
Daphne Davis: company that she had built as a as a creator that she was able to like support herself. And I just thought like to me, like I'm like that is just the best thing I could ever hear. That it's like we're empowering women to be in a position to do that. But then I was also curious that I was like, you know, asking questions maybe that I shouldn't ask, but I can't ask myself. But I'm like, what was your your former partner's like response to that?
daphne cam deep, compressed: company that she had built as a as a creator that she was able to like support herself. And I just thought like to me, like I'm like that is just the best thing I could ever hear. That it's like we're empowering women to be in a position to do that. But then I was also curious that I was like, you know, asking questions maybe that I shouldn't ask, but I can't ask myself. But I'm like, what was your your former partner's like response to that?
Daphne Davis: And
daphne cam deep, compressed: And
Daphne Davis: Just the hearing that it's like sometimes in these traditional models, even outside of Mormonism, like you and I know that like oops, I just hit the mic. Like that I'm so excited that like being raised in like a certain religious environment, like you're taught that your gender roles are, you know, I'll raise the children, you're the provider. And in this day and age it looks a little different. I don't I know that not everybody subscribes to that. But in more traditional households, that's not just with that, and these women who come from that, it was
daphne cam deep, compressed: Just the hearing that it's like sometimes in these traditional models, even outside of Mormonism, like you and I know that like oops, I just hit the mic. Like that I'm so excited that like being raised in like a certain religious environment, like you're taught that your gender roles are, you know, I'll raise the children, you're the provider. And in this day and age it looks a little different. I don't I know that not everybody subscribes to that. But in more traditional households, that's not just with that, and these women who come from that, it was
Daphne Davis: Like their husbands had a hard time wrapping their minds around that their their wives were now outperforming, out-earning them. They were like eclipsing them in terms of that. And so unfortunately, there there is still some of that happening. that it's like
daphne cam deep, compressed: Like their husbands had a hard time wrapping their minds around that their their wives were now outperforming, out-earning them. They were like eclipsing them in terms of that. And so unfortunately, there there is still some of that happening. that it's like
Daphne Davis: women are empowered and are making their own money and it's twenty twenty six and why are we even having this conversation? But
daphne cam deep, compressed: women are empowered and are making their own money and it's twenty twenty six and why are we even having this conversation? But
Daphne Davis: It's important because it's like still it's still happening. But yeah, it's still happening on camera. Like you describing that, I did watch The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives like everyone else on the planet. Mm-hmm. I did not. Besides Abby. I'm like a little contrarian where she's just like, I won't watch it. I feel like too popular. No, yes, and yes, and I was just like Is this gonna be triggering for me?
daphne cam deep, compressed: It's important because it's like still it's still happening. But yeah, it's still happening on camera. Like you describing that, I did watch The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives like everyone else on the planet. Mm-hmm. I did not. Besides Abby. I'm like a little contrarian where she's just like, I won't watch it. I feel like too popular. No, yes, and yes, and I was just like Is this gonna be triggering for me?
Daphne Davis: It probably might have been. It probably could have been. I'm not sure. But the scene that I'm thinking of is so
daphne cam deep, compressed: It probably might have been. It probably could have been. I'm not sure. But the scene that I'm thinking of is so
Daphne Davis: iconic in all the wrong ways because there's okay, let me paint the picture for people who are listening. Paint the picture for me too. So season one, my gosh, and we can just get into reality TV as well because let's do it. It's relevant. it's relevant. Reality TV can is so much deeper than like a silly thing to watch where people just argue with each other all the time. Because it literally will shed light on these societal
daphne cam deep, compressed: iconic in all the wrong ways because there's okay, let me paint the picture for people who are listening. Paint the picture for me too. So season one, my gosh, and we can just get into reality TV as well because let's do it. It's relevant. it's relevant. Reality TV can is so much deeper than like a silly thing to watch where people just argue with each other all the time. Because it literally will shed light on these societal
Daphne Davis: issues and these themes that people are experiencing in their homes and with their friends and it's like on camera. Yes. And depending on the show, I know there can be some coaching. But my personal belief is that the best season of reality TV to watch is the first season of any show. Because they don't yet have like when they're taping, they don't know what the success is going to be like. They don't know what the response will be. And they don't yet have like the show
daphne cam deep, compressed: issues and these themes that people are experiencing in their homes and with their friends and it's like on camera. Yes. And depending on the show, I know there can be some coaching. But my personal belief is that the best season of reality TV to watch is the first season of any show. Because they don't yet have like when they're taping, they don't know what the success is going to be like. They don't know what the response will be. And they don't yet have like the show
Daphne Davis: To talk about A, because in season two and beyond it becomes like a plot line to be like, well, in season one, you said this about me. That's not it. It's more real, I think, in the first season. In addition, they don't know how to be on a reality show. They don't they haven't been coached and they haven't had the experience and like the PR exposure to be like, Okay, this is something I do say on camera and this is something I don't say on camera. Yeah, like video training.
daphne cam deep, compressed: To talk about A, because in season two and beyond it becomes like a plot line to be like, well, in season one, you said this about me. That's not it. It's more real, I think, in the first season. In addition, they don't know how to be on a reality show. They don't they haven't been coached and they haven't had the experience and like the PR exposure to be like, Okay, this is something I do say on camera and this is something I don't say on camera. Yeah, like video training.
Daphne Davis: And so what they bring to the table is often in that first season very real and very raw. So prefacing with that, the first season of Secret Lives, the girls on the cast all go on a trip together to Vegas. Okay. And they take their husbands as well to Vegas. The producers
daphne cam deep, compressed: And so what they bring to the table is often in that first season very real and very raw. So prefacing with that, the first season of Secret Lives, the girls on the cast all go on a trip together to Vegas. Okay. And they take their husbands as well to Vegas. The producers
Daphne Davis: arranged for the girls only to go to a Chippendale show. Okay. Because of cour like, yeah, we have these Mormon housewives, influencers. Mm-hmm. What better T V fodder than to take to a Chippendale show? Most of them have never been. Yep. And they're like these twenty three year old girls with like three babies at home. Yes. Going to Chippendales for the first time. Like the tension. Right. The tension. The drama. Yeah, there's a character a character. A cast member.
daphne cam deep, compressed: arranged for the girls only to go to a Chippendale show. Okay. Because of cour like, yeah, we have these Mormon housewives, influencers. Mm-hmm. What better T V fodder than to take to a Chippendale show? Most of them have never been. Yep. And they're like these twenty three year old girls with like three babies at home. Yes. Going to Chippendales for the first time. Like the tension. Right. The tension. The drama. Yeah, there's a character a character. A cast member.
Daphne Davis: Jen in this episode, who immediately when they're told they're going to Chippendales, like you can visibly see her like tense. She's freaking out because she knows that her husband is going to be upset. Mm-hmm. Like that's immediately her orientation. Yes. He is upset, turns out. Mm-hmm. and they go on to have and it's been a while since I've watched it, so the details are shady, but they go on to have this
daphne cam deep, compressed: Jen in this episode, who immediately when they're told they're going to Chippendales, like you can visibly see her like tense. She's freaking out because she knows that her husband is going to be upset. Mm-hmm. Like that's immediately her orientation. Yes. He is upset, turns out. Mm-hmm. and they go on to have and it's been a while since I've watched it, so the details are shady, but they go on to have this
Daphne Davis: Monumental fight via text. He like won't come back to the house. He's texting her, she's reading it to her friends on this trip. He's calling her a slut, he's calling her the meanest names ever. His wife. Yep. Who pays their bills. Pays their bills. And that's part of their issue and part of their dynamic.
daphne cam deep, compressed: Monumental fight via text. He like won't come back to the house. He's texting her, she's reading it to her friends on this trip. He's calling her a slut, he's calling her the meanest names ever. His wife. Yep. Who pays their bills. Pays their bills. And that's part of their issue and part of their dynamic.
Daphne Davis: Throughout the whole season, and part of why he gets so upset about this Chippendales thing is like he doesn't have the control in their relationship. Yes. And he feels lost because she's making twenty thousand dollars an Instagram post. Yeah. And he's like and I just what do I contribute? Exactly. I'm just supposed to like take care of our kids or like what? Yeah. And so Yeah. Just to your point of like.
daphne cam deep, compressed: Throughout the whole season, and part of why he gets so upset about this Chippendales thing is like he doesn't have the control in their relationship. Yes. And he feels lost because she's making twenty thousand dollars an Instagram post. Yeah. And he's like and I just what do I contribute? Exactly. I'm just supposed to like take care of our kids or like what? Yeah. And so Yeah. Just to your point of like.
Daphne Davis: how it creates these relationship dynamics that can be tense when it's the woman who is now in the position of like providing for the family. Yeah.
daphne cam deep, compressed: how it creates these relationship dynamics that can be tense when it's the woman who is now in the position of like providing for the family. Yeah.
Daphne Davis: I imagine that a lot of people, especially if they're a successful creator or someone that you love to follow, I imagine that they've gone through some iteration of that in their relationship. A hundred percent. And it's interesting to to just see the people that have gotten divorced. Like I would say I'm in that camp. Yeah. That's that's a camp. And then there's the ones that, you know, they do have these incredible supportive partnerships.
daphne cam deep, compressed: I imagine that a lot of people, especially if they're a successful creator or someone that you love to follow, I imagine that they've gone through some iteration of that in their relationship. A hundred percent. And it's interesting to to just see the people that have gotten divorced. Like I would say I'm in that camp. Yeah. That's that's a camp. And then there's the ones that, you know, they do have these incredible supportive partnerships.
Daphne Davis: and their their partner is on board and they're like, let's build this together. which I just kudos to to all y'all who have done that. it's just it's so interesting to like see that dynamic. So you were talking about another thing that I've been thinking about this whole thing.
daphne cam deep, compressed: and their their partner is on board and they're like, let's build this together. which I just kudos to to all y'all who have done that. it's just it's so interesting to like see that dynamic. So you were talking about another thing that I've been thinking about this whole thing.
Daphne Davis: And hearing the words like authenticity and trust and performance. You were talking about as an example, reality TV, which I actually think is a really close overlap to creators. Yeah. Because you are putting your life on blast.
daphne cam deep, compressed: And hearing the words like authenticity and trust and performance. You were talking about as an example, reality TV, which I actually think is a really close overlap to creators. Yeah. Because you are putting your life on blast.
Daphne Davis: for people to see. You're basically your own reality TV show producer if you want to be. And everybody's brand is different depending on like what their angle is. But if you want to succeed as a creator these days, you have to be able to like expose yourself, be visible, be vulnerable.
daphne cam deep, compressed: for people to see. You're basically your own reality TV show producer if you want to be. And everybody's brand is different depending on like what their angle is. But if you want to succeed as a creator these days, you have to be able to like expose yourself, be visible, be vulnerable.
Daphne Davis: You know, and you were saying like the first season in your experience, I think you are a reality TV expert. I would say so. Yeah. I vlogged a lot of hours. You are I think a really good source to be like, here are the themes that I'm noticing. It's like it's so compelling and rich because like they're not trying to be something they're not they are not performing. Yeah. No one's been cast yet as the villain. No one has been cast as like the fan favorite. Mm-hmm. Yeah, they're not performing. They are being themselves.
daphne cam deep, compressed: You know, and you were saying like the first season in your experience, I think you are a reality TV expert. I would say so. Yeah. I vlogged a lot of hours. You are I think a really good source to be like, here are the themes that I'm noticing. It's like it's so compelling and rich because like they're not trying to be something they're not they are not performing. Yeah. No one's been cast yet as the villain. No one has been cast as like the fan favorite. Mm-hmm. Yeah, they're not performing. They are being themselves.
Daphne Davis: So, like, and that's a question I think like I have about the creator industry. And I'm so curious to see where it goes. And I'm curious to just hear your thoughts because I think you're a really savvy, like, media consumer. She is. She's the best. I like to consume media. But you do it with like such a great lens of like being lighthearted and fun. You can see the deeper themes, and sometimes it needs to be there, sometimes it doesn't.
daphne cam deep, compressed: So, like, and that's a question I think like I have about the creator industry. And I'm so curious to see where it goes. And I'm curious to just hear your thoughts because I think you're a really savvy, like, media consumer. She is. She's the best. I like to consume media. But you do it with like such a great lens of like being lighthearted and fun. You can see the deeper themes, and sometimes it needs to be there, sometimes it doesn't.
Daphne Davis: Of like and for I'd like to make this relevant to our audience, it's like at what point has like this professional media public figure
daphne cam deep, compressed: Of like and for I'd like to make this relevant to our audience, it's like at what point has like this professional media public figure
Daphne Davis: Do you have to start like being like on screen Abby or on screen Daphne versus like, no, this is just who I am? Because I think like that's the whole argument in the media right now and the conversation at large is like this whole authenticity versus performance, like the whole thing with like ballerina farm. Like, is she actually doing all that stuff? No, she had probably has a huge production team in doing it. But like as a consumer, like you're expecting.
daphne cam deep, compressed: Do you have to start like being like on screen Abby or on screen Daphne versus like, no, this is just who I am? Because I think like that's the whole argument in the media right now and the conversation at large is like this whole authenticity versus performance, like the whole thing with like ballerina farm. Like, is she actually doing all that stuff? No, she had probably has a huge production team in doing it. But like as a consumer, like you're expecting.
Daphne Davis: You're wanting to connect with that person because they're supposed to be relatable. Even if they are aspirational, you still need to be relatable because you're just a person like me. But if you're being told you're a media company now, you kind of aren't. So like that's the tension that I'm grappling with right now that I'm like
daphne cam deep, compressed: You're wanting to connect with that person because they're supposed to be relatable. Even if they are aspirational, you still need to be relatable because you're just a person like me. But if you're being told you're a media company now, you kind of aren't. So like that's the tension that I'm grappling with right now that I'm like
Daphne Davis: What do we do with that? Like what's Yeah. And like what's your perspective on that, I guess? I mean, the people that I like to follow the most are the people that seem seem. Mm-hmm. Which is a huge like caveat to all of this, because I don't know them. Mm-hmm. So they seem to be the people who are just documenting.
daphne cam deep, compressed: What do we do with that? Like what's Yeah. And like what's your perspective on that, I guess? I mean, the people that I like to follow the most are the people that seem seem. Mm-hmm. Which is a huge like caveat to all of this, because I don't know them. Mm-hmm. So they seem to be the people who are just documenting.
Daphne Davis: And sharing their lives. And I like to follow people who are doing something interesting. Like what? I don't like I would love to follow people who are just like selling me something. Okay. Unless you know, I mean, I guess you yourself don't follow people because some people have a whole platform that's like, I'm here to sell you shit. No, totally. But you know what to expect. Right. But I like to
daphne cam deep, compressed: And sharing their lives. And I like to follow people who are doing something interesting. Like what? I don't like I would love to follow people who are just like selling me something. Okay. Unless you know, I mean, I guess you yourself don't follow people because some people have a whole platform that's like, I'm here to sell you shit. No, totally. But you know what to expect. Right. But I like to
Daphne Davis: Even if they are selling me something, it has to make sense with like the main thing and the main purpose that their life serves. Like which sounds like a crazy ask. Like as I'm saying that, I'm like, who's even doing that? But like, for example, I follow this
daphne cam deep, compressed: Even if they are selling me something, it has to make sense with like the main thing and the main purpose that their life serves. Like which sounds like a crazy ask. Like as I'm saying that, I'm like, who's even doing that? But like, for example, I follow this
Daphne Davis: a hiking enthusiast. She does like my tie lessons. She lives in Amsterdam. She's a badass. Yeah. She has like a clothing line. So she's selling her clothing line okay through her lifestyle content a lot of the time. Okay. She does a lot of brand partnerships, goes on a lot of brand trips and stuff. Okay. But the reason I like to follow her is because she seems like she doesn't take it that seriously. Mm-hmm. And it seems like a natural extension of the stuff that she would be doing anyway, even if there was not
daphne cam deep, compressed: a hiking enthusiast. She does like my tie lessons. She lives in Amsterdam. She's a badass. Yeah. She has like a clothing line. So she's selling her clothing line okay through her lifestyle content a lot of the time. Okay. She does a lot of brand partnerships, goes on a lot of brand trips and stuff. Okay. But the reason I like to follow her is because she seems like she doesn't take it that seriously. Mm-hmm. And it seems like a natural extension of the stuff that she would be doing anyway, even if there was not
Daphne Davis: a camera involved. So I don't know to your question of like what do we do? Like as creators, do we lean into ourselves and then maybe lose some of that? Right. Because by nature of sharing about it, it seems to dilute it a little bit. Right. Or do we protect parts of ourselves and go
daphne cam deep, compressed: a camera involved. So I don't know to your question of like what do we do? Like as creators, do we lean into ourselves and then maybe lose some of that? Right. Because by nature of sharing about it, it seems to dilute it a little bit. Right. Or do we protect parts of ourselves and go
Daphne Davis: like have this persona that's just our social media persona right and then risk like the disconnect with the audience. Right. And the authenticity piece. Because I don't know. I don't know either. But like I think this is like a relevant conversation to be happening because if the platforms and the brands right now are like, we want you to be authentic and we want we want your trust because you've built authenticity. It's like
daphne cam deep, compressed: like have this persona that's just our social media persona right and then risk like the disconnect with the audience. Right. And the authenticity piece. Because I don't know. I don't know either. But like I think this is like a relevant conversation to be happening because if the platforms and the brands right now are like, we want you to be authentic and we want we want your trust because you've built authenticity. It's like
Daphne Davis: Okay, if that becomes my most valuable one of my most valuable intangible assets, like how do I protect that? How do I how do I curate that? Which in itself is like completely antithetical to the whole point of authenticity in the first place. When you have to like plan right around something. Yeah. So it's just like understand like how yeah. What does it even mean? I know. Do you know who Meg Stalter is? No. She's a comedian. Okay. I was actually talking about her
daphne cam deep, compressed: Okay, if that becomes my most valuable one of my most valuable intangible assets, like how do I protect that? How do I how do I curate that? Which in itself is like completely antithetical to the whole point of authenticity in the first place. When you have to like plan right around something. Yeah. So it's just like understand like how yeah. What does it even mean? I know. Do you know who Meg Stalter is? No. She's a comedian. Okay. I was actually talking about her
Daphne Davis: last night because while we're in New York, I was like, how fun would it be to go see a show? Yeah. And have you heard of Mary? The Broadway show? Mm-hmm. It's about Mary Todd Lincoln. yeah. Cola School has started it. Yes. But right now, Mary is Meg Stalter. And so I was trying to describe to Meg Stalter is playing Mary. Yeah. That's what I mean. So I was trying to describe to Anthony like who Meg Stalter is. And I was like, she's this comedian.
daphne cam deep, compressed: last night because while we're in New York, I was like, how fun would it be to go see a show? Yeah. And have you heard of Mary? The Broadway show? Mm-hmm. It's about Mary Todd Lincoln. yeah. Cola School has started it. Yes. But right now, Mary is Meg Stalter. And so I was trying to describe to Meg Stalter is playing Mary. Yeah. That's what I mean. So I was trying to describe to Anthony like who Meg Stalter is. And I was like, she's this comedian.
Daphne Davis: She is kind of like Nathan Fielder in the sense that like she's constantly playing a bit. Like even her when she's not in a part, yeah, when she's on talk shows, she's playing this like persona that makes stalter. Yes. And I find that so interesting because it creates this layer of like
daphne cam deep, compressed: She is kind of like Nathan Fielder in the sense that like she's constantly playing a bit. Like even her when she's not in a part, yeah, when she's on talk shows, she's playing this like persona that makes stalter. Yes. And I find that so interesting because it creates this layer of like
Daphne Davis: Who even is she? Like like mystique. Yes. Like when she's just with her friends, is she this persona person? Like is there any truth in that persona? Yeah. Or is she fully just acting all the time? And if so, how exhausted is she? Right. 'Cause like that's the thing about putting up these personas and these appearances is like it takes effort to upkeep them.
daphne cam deep, compressed: Who even is she? Like like mystique. Yes. Like when she's just with her friends, is she this persona person? Like is there any truth in that persona? Yeah. Or is she fully just acting all the time? And if so, how exhausted is she? Right. 'Cause like that's the thing about putting up these personas and these appearances is like it takes effort to upkeep them.
Daphne Davis: And then especially imagine if you create this like empire and you run into people in the wild and you're making in person connections. Yep. You do not, I don't think, want to have to be operating from code switching who they think you are. To your persona. Yeah. Who they think you are all the time.
daphne cam deep, compressed: And then especially imagine if you create this like empire and you run into people in the wild and you're making in person connections. Yep. You do not, I don't think, want to have to be operating from code switching who they think you are. To your persona. Yeah. Who they think you are all the time.
Daphne Davis: So I would think, and I'm not a creator, but I would think if I were to build something, that it would be it would serve me best in all areas of my life if I just started from
daphne cam deep, compressed: So I would think, and I'm not a creator, but I would think if I were to build something, that it would be it would serve me best in all areas of my life if I just started from
Daphne Davis: being naturally who I am. But then that comes I know. How deep do we want to get here? Because we're going like this is what I do. I don't even care. I don't even know. We're going for it. We're doing it becomes this question of like, 'cause I think that's also what's gets lost a lot of the time in like coaching or in creators who get asked for their advice of like, how do I start this? And they're like, just be yourself. And that's what if you're being yourself and nobody cares. Like nobody's paying you to You just asked
daphne cam deep, compressed: being naturally who I am. But then that comes I know. How deep do we want to get here? Because we're going like this is what I do. I don't even care. I don't even know. We're going for it. We're doing it becomes this question of like, 'cause I think that's also what's gets lost a lot of the time in like coaching or in creators who get asked for their advice of like, how do I start this? And they're like, just be yourself. And that's what if you're being yourself and nobody cares. Like nobody's paying you to You just asked
Daphne Davis: think one or like ask slash made a really great observation I think about a huge issue that runs into it and like it's a fear. It's a fear. And but it's also like a real thing. And there have been conversations before, you know, even with our own in our own community that it's like how how do you do that? How do you build
daphne cam deep, compressed: think one or like ask slash made a really great observation I think about a huge issue that runs into it and like it's a fear. It's a fear. And but it's also like a real thing. And there have been conversations before, you know, even with our own in our own community that it's like how how do you do that? How do you build
Daphne Davis: like an interesting brand if you yourself aren't something that's like compelling to people. Yeah. Or even naturally like outgoing or naturally like I don't know. Like when I record stuff for Tastemaker, I have to like
daphne cam deep, compressed: like an interesting brand if you yourself aren't something that's like compelling to people. Yeah. Or even naturally like outgoing or naturally like I don't know. Like when I record stuff for Tastemaker, I have to like
Daphne Davis: remind myself to speak like speak faster. Like you know. There's a cadence. We even said that I mean like I'm the same way. Like when I was like, I feel like I should probably smile more. But yeah, but then that's the thing is it's like Aren't we tired of being told we need to smile as women? Clip that. Dear media, clip that. That's a joke. from my favorite podcast, which is Ride. Anyway.
daphne cam deep, compressed: remind myself to speak like speak faster. Like you know. There's a cadence. We even said that I mean like I'm the same way. Like when I was like, I feel like I should probably smile more. But yeah, but then that's the thing is it's like Aren't we tired of being told we need to smile as women? Clip that. Dear media, clip that. That's a joke. from my favorite podcast, which is Ride. Anyway.
Daphne Davis: Yeah. So what if you're being yourself and the likes aren't coming in and the brand deals aren't coming in? What do you do then? Yeah.
daphne cam deep, compressed: Yeah. So what if you're being yourself and the likes aren't coming in and the brand deals aren't coming in? What do you do then? Yeah.
Daphne Davis: And it's like, is well then I think it's a hard conversation too of like, maybe this isn't for me. And I think it's this conversation too of like, if creators are now going to be treated as like celebrities and celebrity adjacent, think of all the people that go come to New York City and they or they go to LA to like make it big. Yeah. And the the story of I'm I'm a waiter in a restaurant while I'm waiting for like my big opportunity. And it's like creator.
daphne cam deep, compressed: And it's like, is well then I think it's a hard conversation too of like, maybe this isn't for me. And I think it's this conversation too of like, if creators are now going to be treated as like celebrities and celebrity adjacent, think of all the people that go come to New York City and they or they go to LA to like make it big. Yeah. And the the story of I'm I'm a waiter in a restaurant while I'm waiting for like my big opportunity. And it's like creator.
Daphne Davis: economy cuts out that middle person, but what it doesn't cut out is like how people will receive you and if you're able to succeed in that way and it's like this is still so new. We're starting to see that, but it's like how yeah, how do you get yourself to a level of fame, I suppose, that you're like chasing? Mm-hmm. Well in in a way, like you can get more
daphne cam deep, compressed: economy cuts out that middle person, but what it doesn't cut out is like how people will receive you and if you're able to succeed in that way and it's like this is still so new. We're starting to see that, but it's like how yeah, how do you get yourself to a level of fame, I suppose, that you're like chasing? Mm-hmm. Well in in a way, like you can get more
Daphne Davis: eyes on you through social media than people have ever had on them before. True. Like even celebrities. Mm-hmm. And creators are becoming celebrities. Yes. Like the Time One Hundred report. Mm-hmm. that just recom recognized the hundred like
daphne cam deep, compressed: eyes on you through social media than people have ever had on them before. True. Like even celebrities. Mm-hmm. And creators are becoming celebrities. Yes. Like the Time One Hundred report. Mm-hmm. that just recom recognized the hundred like
Daphne Davis: Creators of the year. okay. It's the creators of the year. Mm-hmm. Those are like household names. They're literally household names. Or I t I've talked about this before. Like my children are ages nine through fourteen and they exclusively watch YouTube. Mm-hmm. And like they don't care about celebrity culture because to them it's like the YouTubers and like their household names. Yeah. To that. And I like and I think that's kind of like the direction that it's going.
daphne cam deep, compressed: Creators of the year. okay. It's the creators of the year. Mm-hmm. Those are like household names. They're literally household names. Or I t I've talked about this before. Like my children are ages nine through fourteen and they exclusively watch YouTube. Mm-hmm. And like they don't care about celebrity culture because to them it's like the YouTubers and like their household names. Yeah. To that. And I like and I think that's kind of like the direction that it's going.
Daphne Davis: YouTubers and people who can capture an audience, but it's like, what are they doing that is so captivating?
daphne cam deep, compressed: YouTubers and people who can capture an audience, but it's like, what are they doing that is so captivating?
Daphne Davis: And did they just stumble into it? Right. Or was there a strategy behind it? Because I think like that's the story too, of like, well, just be yourself. And like, what the hell does that even mean? Because I just I don't know that I buy into that. Like you know, and they tell their stories of like I worked really hard for this. And there are strategies for that of how to manufacture stickiness and success. And here's the other thing. A lot of times
daphne cam deep, compressed: And did they just stumble into it? Right. Or was there a strategy behind it? Because I think like that's the story too, of like, well, just be yourself. And like, what the hell does that even mean? Because I just I don't know that I buy into that. Like you know, and they tell their stories of like I worked really hard for this. And there are strategies for that of how to manufacture stickiness and success. And here's the other thing. A lot of times
Daphne Davis: It's who you know and your connections for sure. I think we sometimes forget like how powerful your network is to like your success. but also like that's the power of the creator economy in a way too. It's like decentralizing that power and is giving people the ability to like create that for themselves. these are the things that keep me up at night. 'Cause I'm like, everybody can do it, but it's like, can they? In theory, I think.
daphne cam deep, compressed: It's who you know and your connections for sure. I think we sometimes forget like how powerful your network is to like your success. but also like that's the power of the creator economy in a way too. It's like decentralizing that power and is giving people the ability to like create that for themselves. these are the things that keep me up at night. 'Cause I'm like, everybody can do it, but it's like, can they? In theory, I think.
Daphne Davis: Yes. In theory the tools are there, the eyeballs are there. the platforms are there. There are avenues that anyone with a phone could pick up their phone and like use to create money or create a platform. But I think what this boils down to the question of like, okay, so what if you try and fail? Like what if you want
daphne cam deep, compressed: Yes. In theory the tools are there, the eyeballs are there. the platforms are there. There are avenues that anyone with a phone could pick up their phone and like use to create money or create a platform. But I think what this boils down to the question of like, okay, so what if you try and fail? Like what if you want
Daphne Davis: I think what I'm saying is I think that it comes back to why you do it. Because there's one path where you set out with monetization and
daphne cam deep, compressed: I think what I'm saying is I think that it comes back to why you do it. Because there's one path where you set out with monetization and
Daphne Davis: some level of fame as the goal. Yeah. And that's what you're working toward. And so if no one's watching and paying attention, it does feel like a failure. Yeah. But there's the other avatar, which is like I just like to bake. Yep. And I want people to bake my recipes 'cause I think they're good. Yeah.
daphne cam deep, compressed: some level of fame as the goal. Yeah. And that's what you're working toward. And so if no one's watching and paying attention, it does feel like a failure. Yeah. But there's the other avatar, which is like I just like to bake. Yep. And I want people to bake my recipes 'cause I think they're good. Yeah.
Daphne Davis: That feels more like altruistic. Like that path feels like mission driven. Yeah. And I also think that consumers, like I was saying, the people that I like to follow, I don't like to be overly sold. And I don't like to be sold if it doesn't make sense with the person who's selling it. And I think that's because consumers have this like spidey sense of like
daphne cam deep, compressed: That feels more like altruistic. Like that path feels like mission driven. Yeah. And I also think that consumers, like I was saying, the people that I like to follow, I don't like to be overly sold. And I don't like to be sold if it doesn't make sense with the person who's selling it. And I think that's because consumers have this like spidey sense of like
Daphne Davis: that person is in this because they want my money through some channel or other. Yeah. They want my attention. They want some part of me. Yep. You can feel that, right? Yeah. And I So that's what I would say. Like you have to not to say you have to have the right reasons, but I also like to go back to our gender question. Like, do women just have
daphne cam deep, compressed: that person is in this because they want my money through some channel or other. Yeah. They want my attention. They want some part of me. Yep. You can feel that, right? Yeah. And I So that's what I would say. Like you have to not to say you have to have the right reasons, but I also like to go back to our gender question. Like, do women just have
Daphne Davis: unfair expectations put on them in the content creator space. Like think about female creators and how they have to look and how they have to talk and what they have to do to capture attention versus like any Joe Schmoe man that picks up a phone and has something to say. Or even looking at like the difference of what type of food content women create broadly versus men and like how that's approached. And I think like
daphne cam deep, compressed: unfair expectations put on them in the content creator space. Like think about female creators and how they have to look and how they have to talk and what they have to do to capture attention versus like any Joe Schmoe man that picks up a phone and has something to say. Or even looking at like the difference of what type of food content women create broadly versus men and like how that's approached. And I think like
Daphne Davis: Right. The big takeaway here, and I think something we've been saying to our audience and our community forever was
daphne cam deep, compressed: Right. The big takeaway here, and I think something we've been saying to our audience and our community forever was
Daphne Davis: If you connect to your point to like why you're doing it and you genuinely want to help your audience and you want to teach them something and you want to give back, I think and you do it from like a layer of like empathy that truly is mission driven. I think that is the the connecting piece and factor. And I think that is just like a deeply like feminine energy that I think
daphne cam deep, compressed: If you connect to your point to like why you're doing it and you genuinely want to help your audience and you want to teach them something and you want to give back, I think and you do it from like a layer of like empathy that truly is mission driven. I think that is the the connecting piece and factor. And I think that is just like a deeply like feminine energy that I think
Daphne Davis: male, female, non-binary, whatever can embody. and I do think that is like the power of the creator economy in a way, because I do believe its roots are that come from that place. And like that gives me hope for the future too, to be like women can and should be leading. Absolutely. And I think the creator economy gives women
daphne cam deep, compressed: male, female, non-binary, whatever can embody. and I do think that is like the power of the creator economy in a way, because I do believe its roots are that come from that place. And like that gives me hope for the future too, to be like women can and should be leading. Absolutely. And I think the creator economy gives women
Daphne Davis: An advantage to do that. Yeah, I would agree. And it seems like women kind of created the creator economy. Which is a very feminine energy, like this creation aspect. Like it didn't exist until women started writing about their experiences and sharing them. And that's really beautiful. So cool. Yeah. Okay, well. We love women.
daphne cam deep, compressed: An advantage to do that. Yeah, I would agree. And it seems like women kind of created the creator economy. Which is a very feminine energy, like this creation aspect. Like it didn't exist until women started writing about their experiences and sharing them. And that's really beautiful. So cool. Yeah. Okay, well. We love women.
Daphne Davis: Go girls. Yeah, we love women of all variations and I just think it's cool that we can do this and like try to help everyone. Yeah. But I do think a large part of our audience is women and there's a reason for that. Because women are doing cool shit.
daphne cam deep, compressed: Go girls. Yeah, we love women of all variations and I just think it's cool that we can do this and like try to help everyone. Yeah. But I do think a large part of our audience is women and there's a reason for that. Because women are doing cool shit.
Daphne Davis: Girl power. Yeah. Okay, well, that was kind of a heavy episode. And we kind of jumped all over the place. But it was like our car conversations too. Like as we're riding around places, like speaking to the authenticity piece, I hate that word so much, probably because it's just like who I am as a person. But it's And also because it's been co-opted. Like it's it's now got this attachment. Like appropriate. Yeah, that's very like
daphne cam deep, compressed: Girl power. Yeah. Okay, well, that was kind of a heavy episode. And we kind of jumped all over the place. But it was like our car conversations too. Like as we're riding around places, like speaking to the authenticity piece, I hate that word so much, probably because it's just like who I am as a person. But it's And also because it's been co-opted. Like it's it's now got this attachment. Like appropriate. Yeah, that's very like
Daphne Davis: I would say. And also like these are the conversations we're having, like sidebar chats in our rides and it at at meals and things. And I want to I want to have those conversations here publicly because I think those are the things people are caring about.
daphne cam deep, compressed: I would say. And also like these are the conversations we're having, like sidebar chats in our rides and it at at meals and things. And I want to I want to have those conversations here publicly because I think those are the things people are caring about.
Daphne Davis: Yeah, I agree. If we're thinking about it and wondering about it and asking these questions, I guarantee you that lots of other people are too. So we see you if that's you. Mm-hmm. And we're here for you if that's you.
daphne cam deep, compressed: Yeah, I agree. If we're thinking about it and wondering about it and asking these questions, I guarantee you that lots of other people are too. So we see you if that's you. Mm-hmm. And we're here for you if that's you.
Daphne Davis: And come to Tasemaker if that's you. That's true. Come meet people to have these conversations. Yeah. And like you said to your point, this is what women are talking about when they gather together. And it's important to make those spaces and make that time to do that. Love it. So do it. Do it. January, San Antonio.
daphne cam deep, compressed: And come to Tasemaker if that's you. That's true. Come meet people to have these conversations. Yeah. And like you said to your point, this is what women are talking about when they gather together. And it's important to make those spaces and make that time to do that. Love it. So do it. Do it. January, San Antonio.
Daphne Davis: Such a good marketer. We want to see you there. Daphne. We do. Please come. It's why we created it. and I just I love our community. I love it. It's incredible. Same. cheers to that. See you. We love you. Bye.
daphne cam deep, compressed: Such a good marketer. We want to see you there. Daphne. We do. Please come. It's why we created it. and I just I love our community. I love it. It's incredible. Same. cheers to that. See you. We love you. Bye.
