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Welcome to Sunset Conversations, a BullfrogEntertainment
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Mark Florkowski. On the 15th and 30th of each
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info at BullfrogEntertainment .com Hey listeners
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mark, and I would like to welcome you to another
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episode of sunset conversations and this week
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Mark and I are going to be talking about sourdough
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starter as a pet I just want to thank everybody
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for the wonderful response to our first episode
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Which was about coffee really excited about sourdough
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as a pet. So yes Yes, very much. We we in fact
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love to hear from all of you our listeners So
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that let me start with a question Are any of
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you currently pet owners? Have any of you ever
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been pet owners? Or do some of you think you
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might want to be a pet owner? I myself have owned
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many pets since being a young child. It dates
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all the way back where a group of my friends
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and myself would go out and catch insects and
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display them to the neighborhood kids and just
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As a footnote after displaying them. We always
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did let the insects Go, so they didn't die in
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captivity Most of my life I've owned a dog up
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until recently about a year ago, which Jericho
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then passed away I've raised gerbils Tropical
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fish. I currently have a fish pond. It's got
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frogs, as you hear in the beginning of our podcast.
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That's one of my pet frogs. Buddy the pet frog,
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yes. And there's also about 60 goldfish that
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are in the pond. Mark, I believe currently you
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have some pets along with a history of pet ownership
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yourself, don't you? Well, glad you asked. It's
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kind of funny. He had a cat until I learned I
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was allergic to cats. And that didn't last long.
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Then over the years, we entertained having rabbits.
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We entertained having the gerbils and hamsters.
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Then we went into the interesting world of reptiles.
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Bearded dragon, etc. You got the bearded dragon
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from us. Oh, that's interesting. Son owned the
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bearded dragon. No kidding. And she took such
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good care of it that the bearded dragon was laying
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eggs. That's right. She never laid an egg in
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our house. And we learned bearded dragons, I
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guess, are like chickens. They don't need a male
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bearded dragon to produce eggs. Well, thanks
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for reminding me of that. And that was a wonderful
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time. After that, we did get into having a dog.
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We had her for 13 years. And since in the last
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five or six years, maybe longer, we've had a
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couple of cockatiels. And those two guys, Dusty
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and Dylan, they're just a couple of characters.
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That's awesome. Thanks for asking. Yeah, pets
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are cool. Yeah, pets are just awesome. And so,
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you know, during COVID, there was a time where,
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for whatever reason, People were looking for
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companionship in there and that wasn't really
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in my case, but in watching YouTube's and and
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things like that I for some reason decided to
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make sourdough bread and By doing so I learned
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that sourdough starter can actually Become a
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pet as well, which is quite quite interesting.
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I don't know it for me took time every morning
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checking checking the dough adding the water
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making sure it was bubbling correctly and I was
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making a lot of a lot of bread little did I know
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how attached you could become it's much more
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than as we'll tell you water and flour and my
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experience was fun but I have to admit it was
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short -lived because I am NOT a baker and although
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I enjoyed my sourdough Starter I did not ever
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give it a name and in the end I have to say that
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one day I woke up and said that's about enough
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of this taking care of the sourdough starter
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and I took the starter and made some delicious
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pancakes so Mark and I Would love to take you
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on the journey our listeners Because many of
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you may not even know or be aware that having
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sourdough starter as a pet even exists. And so
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join us as we take you on the journey of sourdough
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starter as a pet. Well, like I said, in the introduction,
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during COVID, I did become a sourdough pet, sourdough
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starter pet owner, and mine was also very short
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lived. Surprisingly, and not surprisingly, it
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happens to be a Ancient art in reality and mine
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was only in months in ancient time it's because
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of kovat and other various things has found itself
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as a resurgent and People are beginning to really
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enjoy doing sourdough baking. I did a query surprised
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to see that Sourdough bread goes back to Egyptian
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times yes yeah we're going to take a different
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take on sourdough bread here instead of coffee
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we're going to get more involved with the pet
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side right we're not going to tell anyone how
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to bake sourdough bread should you want to learn
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that our listeners that can go to all types of
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sources and bake all kinds of wonderful sourdough
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bread well our audience might not know me as
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well as you do mark and my confession is that
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during the covid time when This all became like
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a thing with people with bacon bread because
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it was tough to get bread, I guess. Well, I didn't
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even care about sourdough bread, but recently
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I got turned down to it. I think we were talking
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about it and I became a big fan of sourdough
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bread because of its being a healthier choice
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of bread. Yeah, it actually is. It actually because
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of the way it's produced with the natural yeast
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in the air. Um, it's got that, you know, distinctive
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flavor and texture to it. Oh yeah. And it becomes,
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it's like, uh, pumpernickel is another health
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type bread. Uh, rye bread is another health type
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bread as opposed to your typical, uh, just white
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bread. Yeah. And I guess during the gold rush
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days, uh, French bakers came to San Francisco
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and they found wild yeast in the area being the
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main key secret ingredient. Making a sourdough
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bread that I am so affectionate. Yeah, I mean
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just it's floating in the air. There's actually
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Somewhere I know in our notes. I have a date
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that again. We don't really deal with dates very
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often, but somewhere in the 1800s San Francisco
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like we had you just mentioned that became the
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the starter of the starter for America I guess
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yes, and there's still to this day a baker that
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originates from the 1800s That's making the sourdough
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bread from that original starter so and and may
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our listeners know that I Insisted that we make
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this our second Episode yes, this is the one
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of the reasons why because I really want you
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to tell this story About which I find to be very
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funny about the twist on how sourdough Starter
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mm -hmm is so much like having or owning a pet
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yeah it really really really is it's a simple
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thing of just water and flour and yet it comes
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alive starts to bubble starts to squeak um it's
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it's truly a pet uh we'd like to hear some of
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your stories as well again you can send us a
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email to the audience and tell us what you've
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learned in your production of doing a sourdough
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starter um but Like any pet, it does require
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regular care and attention. You can't just put
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water and flour into a mason jar and leave it
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alone. I know what you mean. We taught our kids
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how to take care of small animals or fish. And,
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you know, there's that same gut feel I have about
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responsibility. Yes. So that's why. I could never
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be a sourdough bread baker. Yes yes I mean that
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was you know like I say during COVID people were
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searching for companionship in that so that became
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their companion because it is a pet uh to them
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but it you have to you have to feed it sometimes
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daily oh yeah um you have to check it you have
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to smell it you got to make sure you got to take
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some of it out and freshen it um and you got
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to do a lot of baking Because otherwise you just
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keep getting bigger and bigger containers of
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sourdough starter well mark I really feel that
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you're doing the public a Service by announcing
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that there's something all this responsibility
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at the level of obligation Yes, say I could make
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you depressed if your sourdough starter kit Somehow
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came to its demise. Yes. Yes I mean if you're
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gonna treat it you want to just make sourdough
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once or twice You just make a starter and you
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do it and you're done But if you want to treat
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it as a this is gonna be in our home This is
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our pet then yes environmental conditions can
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be important. You need consistent temperature
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You find a location that is easily accessible
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to you out of the way Because although it's a
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pet You don't want your dogs, your cats, or anything,
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or your kids to be eating the raw sourdough starter.
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It's a little bit different if you have a cat
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and the cat eats your goldfish. Well, bye -bye
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goldfish, but your cat will be okay. Right. Maybe
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a little tired and might need a little nap. If
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Sylvester will ever eat Tweety Bird, bye -bye
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Tweety Bird. Sylvester will live to see another
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day, having enjoyed a little bird for lunch.
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But this does not hold true when it comes to
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your sourdough starter. Well, you know, I didn't
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mean to get you ahead of yourself or get started,
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no pun intended, further down the road. But why
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don't you go ahead and tell us where you want
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to start with caring for sourdough as our pet.
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Well, first, you have to set up a feeding schedule,
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of course. You've got to add your fresh flour
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and add a little water. You've got to discard
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some of the old portion to keep it fresh. Environmental
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conditions, like I say, you want to have a consistent
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temperature. So you don't want to be moving it
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around your house. You find a nice, decent spot.
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You've got to keep an eye on it. Make sure that
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it is bubbling properly, that it rises. You'll
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be amazed when you just add the... the water
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and the flour looks like nothing and then you
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wake up the next day and it's like three times
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the size bubbling and making you know all kinds
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of you know like it's alive like it's alive that's
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literally alive if you really get into it you
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might want to name your sourdough bread and we'll
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get into some crazy names as we progress through
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this podcast one quick little story is there
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was a baker and he became very Attached to his
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sourdough starter. And so he actually named it
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the Salvador and This is a love story. It's actually
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a love story. Yeah, he He found it to be a relationship
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is a true love as he said he said about Salvador
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He said he feeds me and I feed him There's a
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little symbiotism there. It's a very symbiotic
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relationship, I guess. This baker even has imaginary
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conversations. And that's where, like during
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COVID, if people want a companionship, I mean,
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you talk to your dog, you talk to your cat. Yeah.
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Some people were talking to their sourdough starter.
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Yeah. It would bubble back at them. Well, now
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that's getting a little scary. It's very interesting.
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During feeding time. this guy would feed salvatore
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and uh you know make sure that he was eating
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properly and and looking healthy and smelling
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right and you know who knows to this day this
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baker probably has salvatore still in his kitchens
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bubbling away well i i actually wanted to ask
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a question because i find it very interesting
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that you can relate to the starter we do all
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of our relationships. So in every relationship
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has its ups and downs. So I'm very curious, you
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know, what could go wrong with your starter?
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Well, you can have it where it environmentally
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doesn't work well. It basically dies or it gets
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bacteria that isn't the good bacteria. And it'll
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talk to you. You'll know. You'll look at it one
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day and it's, you know, green in the gills kind
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of thing. you'll decide maybe I don't want to
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use this batch and again, it's easy enough to
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toss it and start the new one, but if you're
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successful You might want to go on a vacation.
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Well, there you go. Now there's one of the challenges
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of a relationship Separation. Yes, so you can
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be separated If it's a dog, for example, you
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send your dog to a kennel. We have a neighbor
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We have people that you know, allow your dog
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to come into their homes It's a whole new industry
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that started really, again, because of COVID.
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So now you leave your dog with a stranger in
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their home, though, rather than in a kennel.
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Right, where there's that emotional connection
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because... It's with the family. Well, there's
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a trust bond that's going on with the neighbor
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or family. Exactly right. Even with the kennel.
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Trust just isn't there. No. No, it's you feel
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like you're abandoning your dog and your dog
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isn't happy and that's the looks the dog is.
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Yeah, you know that the eyes are looking at you.
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Whereas, you know, your starter dough won't do
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that. But for example, if you're going away for,
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oh, with let's say a week's time, you can put
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your starter dough in your own refrigerator and
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you can do that any time actually. And you got
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about a week where it kind of quiets down. It
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rests. And you can go about your business and
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not have to worry about feeding it every day
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or baking as often as you did Well, you know,
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let me ask you a question about that. I have
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to get this I'm visual so I know how big my dog
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is Because my pet starter well depends on how
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much and how often you use it or dump out some
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of it to Refresh it because some people end up
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with a five gallon bucket or bigger Oh, wow.
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Of sourdough starter. Those are the people who,
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for example, the big boom of bakers, again, because
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of COVID. There's a multitude of bakers that
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became professional bakers because of their sourdough
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and because of COVID. They had so much of it
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that they decided to open shop as times got better.
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So, yeah, you do have that consideration. but
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otherwise if you're going away for a longer term
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and you want to keep it in your house you can
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freeze it and it won't die you know you can take
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it out and it'll preserve for you know a period
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of time exactly how long I'm I'm not sure but
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when you take it out it warms and you give it
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its feeding and it'll resume if you were in Europe
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I think it's Sweden and they may have some places
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in America I'm sure they do Think Sweden they
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actually have like hotels for your sourdough
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and so you can bring your sourdough to these
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people and While you're on vacation your sourdough
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will theoretically also be on vacation. Okay
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the under continental or Who knows maybe one
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day the Ritz -Carlton will have its own sweets
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for you can get real complicated not everybody
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has this ability but you can literally dehydrate
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your sourdough bread and then rehydrate it and
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i guess that probably works on the theory of
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dried yeast probably you know dehydrated and
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we can't call it inhumane no it's it becomes
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alive again um i'd like to freeze dry i can't
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oh i shouldn't say that i have to cut that out
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if you're driving in somewhere and you want to
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take your sourdough along with you you can of
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course do that and you bring yourself a cooler
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and you bring yourself some uh fresh water if
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you need to and some flour and your little uh
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mason jar and yes feed your starter while you're
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on the road yeah and i was just going to ask
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you a question about going back to refrigeration
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are there some guidelines keep in mind about
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refrigerating sourdough i don't know i think
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it's just you know your regular refrigerator
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and you got about a week okay So rests for about
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a week and after that it's it's still gonna be
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hungry So you have to take it out feed it and
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you'll see it, you know immediately begins to
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activate over Okay, you know a short period of
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time so you're back in business again having
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to take care of your so a few days or four or
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five days and it's going to start Yeah, I think
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I actually left mine for seven days. Okay at
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a time and you know experimenting and Grew in
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the flower added some water and following day.
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It was back bubbling away on the countertop.
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Yeah, I Think active and healthy if we could
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only feed our cats and dogs once a week would
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that be nice. Yeah Put your dog in the refrigerator
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Now what if you what would you do if it was longer
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than that you had to be absent Well at that point
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then like I say you can give it to a neighbor
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you can find again you can probably Research
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places that would take your sourdough bread and
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care for it Or like I said take it with you Okay,
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so we're doing if you're driving to Florida for
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example, and you're gonna take a three -day trip
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or wherever driving Take the sourdough with you
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and you can feed it on the way you stop at McDonald's
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and your sourdough, you know food The backseat
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the first thing that came in my mind was freezing
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it Can you freeze it? You can freeze it, yes.
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And that won't hurt it? No. No, like I said,
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freezing is fine. And then you can thaw it out.
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You can thaw it out. Yeah, like I said, dehydrating
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you can do. That's, you know, again, you're,
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you know, you need a dehydrator to do that. And
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that's a little bit more crazy advanced. So I
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don't know that a lot of people would be doing
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that. The biggest thing with sourdough was, again,
00:21:28.609 --> 00:21:32.890
with the rise of social media. Again, COVID had
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a huge expansion. to sourdough because people
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were home and so social media began showing sourdough
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and people would do youtube videos on their sourdough
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starter and then of course show the breads that
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they were making yeah today if you go like the
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whole foods there's i think sometimes four or
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five different varieties of sourdough absolutely
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true they have ancient sourdough and they have
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olives incorporated into the sourdough and they
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have the original san francisco Sourdough and
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I think there's even a rye bread sourdough. I
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think you're right and I have to How many of
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those have you tried virtually all of them? In
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fact when I get least of off and my wife enjoys
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it the most but this is the San Francisco standard
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sourdough It's probably the least often that
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I purchase now. Okay, and I purchase all these
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other varieties the Mish the ancient grain. Yeah.
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Yeah There's another one Cartland or something.
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Yes I find it very fascinating that there are
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so many varieties. Before we started talking
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about this, I only thought that there was San
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Francisco sourdough. You thought that was it?
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Yeah. Again, who has an emotional attachment
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to theoretically their bread? I did not develop
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that personally because I didn't live that long.
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I mean, I made bread. I'm not a baker. during
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the social media time, during the COVID time,
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it was critical for people to develop this relationship
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and so it was important that they learned how
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to take care of their sourdough starter. One
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thing to remember is if you really get into it,
00:23:20.759 --> 00:23:24.680
like I had mentioned, sourdough starter can live
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like a really long time and so of just like that
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baking house that has their starter from like
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the year 1849 in San Francisco. Your long living
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companion can be like compared to deciding to
00:23:41.690 --> 00:23:46.089
have maybe a parrot or a turtle as a pet. So
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it could very well outlive you and you could
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hand down to your generations of family your
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pet sourdough starter. It would be well worth
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finding out the name of the bakery that's in
00:24:00.430 --> 00:24:03.690
San Francisco. I think it's Bodine. Yeah, you're
00:24:03.690 --> 00:24:07.029
right. I think it is Bodine. What's very interesting
00:24:07.029 --> 00:24:10.230
in my mind as we're talking about it is to think
00:24:10.230 --> 00:24:13.589
about the simple fact that that baker probably
00:24:13.589 --> 00:24:17.210
has made out much better on the San Francisco
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Gold Rush than maybe 99 .5 % of the miners did.
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How about it, right? Maybe even better than Levi
00:24:24.450 --> 00:24:28.299
Strauss did. That's yeah, that's right. I mean
00:24:28.299 --> 00:24:30.599
that's amazing because people had to eat right,
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you know And it was a very you know, simple process
00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:37.740
and in producing The bread and look worse, you
00:24:37.740 --> 00:24:42.079
know, look what's got him today Quite amazing.
00:24:42.279 --> 00:24:44.180
I don't know for our listeners again, if you
00:24:44.180 --> 00:24:46.579
have any stories about your starter different
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types of breads that You guys produce names any
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names that you come up with I have to admit I
00:24:53.039 --> 00:24:58.109
did not in the in the end name my starter. I
00:24:58.109 --> 00:25:01.450
would look at it and kind of mumble to it in
00:25:01.450 --> 00:25:03.150
the morning and say you're looking good but I
00:25:03.150 --> 00:25:06.009
did not come up with a name and if the grandkids
00:25:06.009 --> 00:25:08.869
were over I'm sure they would have but again
00:25:08.869 --> 00:25:13.390
it was COVID. I had a nameless starter and we
00:25:13.390 --> 00:25:16.029
got along just fine again until I made pancakes
00:25:16.029 --> 00:25:19.329
out of the last of it one day. Well that's a
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I don't know what kind of an ending call that
00:25:22.130 --> 00:25:25.549
there's an adjective for that obviously the starter
00:25:25.549 --> 00:25:29.190
had not given you enough emotional support to
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make you want to stay yeah I got my emotional
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support elsewhere and it was not from my starter
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in my case that whole process of giving it characteristics
00:25:37.869 --> 00:25:41.769
of the name and all the affection that goes along
00:25:41.769 --> 00:25:44.430
with it yeah you know it's all kinds of categories
00:25:44.430 --> 00:25:46.730
of all kinds of names like funny names so you
00:25:46.730 --> 00:25:50.509
can call your starter dough Bread pit. I like
00:25:50.509 --> 00:25:54.670
that one. That's a good one. Clint Yeastwood
00:25:54.670 --> 00:25:57.950
would be a good one or Jane Doe. Oh, yeah. What
00:25:57.950 --> 00:26:03.150
about Jane Doe? Yeah, that's a Vincent van Doe
00:26:03.150 --> 00:26:05.269
Those are kind of interesting. That's four winners
00:26:05.269 --> 00:26:08.650
right there for for pop culture type names Let's
00:26:08.650 --> 00:26:11.230
say oh, this is one of my favorites because I
00:26:11.230 --> 00:26:14.130
I have to admit one of my all -time favorite
00:26:14.130 --> 00:26:20.779
characters is spongebob, so Spongebob sour dough
00:26:20.779 --> 00:26:26.319
pants for your Star Wars fans Luke Rye Walker
00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:30.519
Because yes, you can make Rye bread out of sour
00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:34.420
dough Hey, are you people that are in listeners
00:26:34.420 --> 00:26:38.619
that are in the historical type names about?
00:26:39.059 --> 00:26:48.500
Thomas loaf Jefferson or Edgar Allen dough So,
00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:51.279
Mark, you know, in our previous podcast, we learned
00:26:51.279 --> 00:26:55.079
that there were health benefits to coffee. And
00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:58.440
in this podcast, of course, sourdough starter
00:26:58.440 --> 00:27:02.400
as a pet. We know that it's been shown that having
00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:07.500
a pet also has some health benefits to them for
00:27:07.500 --> 00:27:11.140
us. As it turns out, not only do you get the
00:27:11.140 --> 00:27:14.619
health benefits while it is a pet, but once you
00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:18.259
cook your pet into a nice loaf of sourdough bread,
00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:21.539
you get additional health benefits. Why don't
00:27:21.539 --> 00:27:25.039
you tell our listeners what you found those health
00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:27.359
benefits to be? I really want to tell you these
00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:30.599
five things about health benefits for sourdough
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:32.960
bread. And I'm going to just rattle them off.
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:36.380
First one is improved digestibility. Number two,
00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:39.599
better blood sugar management. Number three,
00:27:39.900 --> 00:27:43.420
enhanced nutrient absorption. That's a tough
00:27:43.420 --> 00:27:47.400
one. Four prebiotic properties. I don't even
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:49.799
know what that is and then number five potential
00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:53.880
antioxidant benefits and Let me just go in reverse
00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:58.000
order with these because to me Antioxidant benefits
00:27:58.000 --> 00:28:01.220
is pretty cool because there's so much stuff
00:28:01.220 --> 00:28:04.660
that we eat. That's basically Just junk food.
00:28:05.180 --> 00:28:08.859
So our bodies miss all these natural nutrients
00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:12.680
Antioxidants that come from all the fresh fruit
00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:16.880
and vegetables and healthy foods that We all
00:28:16.880 --> 00:28:22.779
rarely eat which is pretty cool so number two
00:28:22.779 --> 00:28:27.240
Going backwards is prebiotic properties. I don't
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:31.099
know anything about prebiotics except that Okay,
00:28:31.299 --> 00:28:33.420
good bacteria. All right. I know my wife eats
00:28:33.420 --> 00:28:36.859
a lot of yogurt like daily so and I know that
00:28:36.859 --> 00:28:39.769
that Little cup is so filled with like millions
00:28:39.769 --> 00:28:51.650
or billions of bacteria and So there's an enhanced
00:28:51.650 --> 00:28:55.970
nutrient absorption now I've read about this
00:28:55.970 --> 00:28:58.190
on all kinds of supplement labels and I gotta
00:28:58.190 --> 00:29:00.950
tell you my doctor does not believe in supplements
00:29:01.690 --> 00:29:04.750
but i know that like black pepper is on so many
00:29:04.750 --> 00:29:07.150
of these supplements that in order for you to
00:29:07.150 --> 00:29:10.509
absorb whatever the thing is from you know some
00:29:10.509 --> 00:29:13.769
kind of hokey supplemental uh make you better
00:29:13.769 --> 00:29:18.809
stuff that you know it seems that sourdough helps
00:29:18.809 --> 00:29:22.190
your body to absorb other nutrients whatever
00:29:22.190 --> 00:29:25.910
those could be well for example i believe it's
00:29:25.910 --> 00:29:29.390
minerals and i think these three minerals obviously
00:29:29.390 --> 00:29:31.700
we all need I know when I was in the hospital
00:29:31.700 --> 00:29:35.099
once they gave me extra magnesium for whatever
00:29:35.099 --> 00:29:37.839
reason and uh wasn't extra because I didn't have
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:41.619
enough I guess gave me enough magnesium and sourdough
00:29:41.619 --> 00:29:46.240
uh is giving you more iron more zinc and yes
00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:49.940
more magnesium wow I think with all those uh
00:29:49.940 --> 00:29:53.500
metals maybe uh it'd be good for batteries yeah
00:29:53.500 --> 00:29:57.660
or watch out for uh going through what TSA yeah
00:29:57.660 --> 00:29:59.640
that's for sure you won't get through the machine
00:30:00.309 --> 00:30:03.269
So better blood sugar management. I think that's
00:30:03.269 --> 00:30:06.609
important to a lot of people because everybody
00:30:06.609 --> 00:30:09.329
seems to be dealing with some kind of blood sugar
00:30:09.329 --> 00:30:14.289
problem. We all eat the wrong stuff and it leads
00:30:14.289 --> 00:30:19.450
to chronic diseases. Then the last or the first
00:30:19.450 --> 00:30:22.390
thing was improved digestibility, which is what
00:30:22.390 --> 00:30:24.849
really attracted me to sourdough bread in the
00:30:24.849 --> 00:30:29.319
first place. Because, you know, What they say
00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:33.039
is that your better gut health leads to a better
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:39.039
overall health Exactly so mark those five benefits
00:30:39.039 --> 00:30:42.759
are absolutely fantastic Again going back to
00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:46.519
our previous podcast. It looks like you may become
00:30:46.519 --> 00:30:51.299
are also our medical warnings expert and I believe
00:30:51.299 --> 00:30:54.380
sourdough although it is Fantastic and has some
00:30:54.380 --> 00:30:57.440
great health benefits. There's also some health
00:30:57.440 --> 00:30:59.380
warnings that I guess we should tell our listeners
00:30:59.380 --> 00:31:03.119
about. Well, warnings will be warnings, won't
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:06.839
they? And I think the most important advice to
00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:11.359
that is to do everything in moderation. And that's
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:14.380
also important with sourdough bread, that it
00:31:14.380 --> 00:31:18.759
should be eaten, consumed in moderation. And
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:23.200
as part of a balanced diet, specific health effects
00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:26.579
may vary depending on individual factors. in
00:31:26.579 --> 00:31:29.839
the type of flour that's used in the bread. Rye
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:32.259
bread is probably better than white bread. Could
00:31:32.259 --> 00:31:36.579
be. More fiber. Definitely. That's really awesome.
00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:39.559
I'm so glad everybody can have a pet and health
00:31:39.559 --> 00:31:43.160
benefits that exceed what your standard pet might
00:31:43.160 --> 00:31:47.839
give you. And at an affordable price. Yes, yes.
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:54.769
Let's go get some sourdough bread. The doorbell
00:31:54.769 --> 00:31:58.789
rings. The dog starts barking. The baby is crying.
00:31:59.190 --> 00:32:02.650
With all this chaos, the one thing calm and bubbly
00:32:02.650 --> 00:32:08.849
is your sourdough starter. It is bubbling quietly
00:32:08.849 --> 00:32:13.289
as it sits in its mason jar on your kitchen counter.
00:32:13.990 --> 00:32:17.170
As pet owners of sourdough starter, at times
00:32:17.170 --> 00:32:20.329
our lives can be hectic. And we can go crazy
00:32:20.329 --> 00:32:23.829
as we learn taking care. of all the other things
00:32:23.829 --> 00:32:27.950
we need to. This includes our pets. Even so,
00:32:28.170 --> 00:32:31.349
we still acquire a love and a satisfaction of
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caring for them. Mark and I hope our listeners
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who might be unfamiliar with pet ownership are
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not discouraged from giving sourdough as a pet
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an opportunity to be shared at their homes. Remember,
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you can have fun with your starter. If you have
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kids, they may end up helping care for it. Or
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they may even take it to school. It's a science
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project. That all of you learn that sourdough
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starter as a pet can be fun and entertaining.
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Your starter can even give you companionship
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as we learned. You can go on vacation and not
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worry. You can take your sourdough with you.
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And if not, it will be okay when you return.
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It's easier than caring for many other types
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of pets. Bad weather? No problem. No poop bags
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required. Only a knife and butter. Or a fork
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for sourdough pancakes. Thank you. Mark and I
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really appreciate and thank you for tuning in
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Welcome to Sunset Conversations, a BullfrogEntertainment
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Mark Florkowski. On the 15th and 30th of each
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info at BullfrogEntertainment .com Hey listeners
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mark, and I would like to welcome you to another
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episode of sunset conversations and this week
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Mark and I are going to be talking about sourdough
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starter as a pet I just want to thank everybody
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for the wonderful response to our first episode
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Which was about coffee really excited about sourdough
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as a pet. So yes Yes, very much. We we in fact
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love to hear from all of you our listeners So
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that let me start with a question Are any of
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you currently pet owners? Have any of you ever
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been pet owners? Or do some of you think you
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might want to be a pet owner? I myself have owned
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many pets since being a young child. It dates
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all the way back where a group of my friends
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and myself would go out and catch insects and
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display them to the neighborhood kids and just
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As a footnote after displaying them. We always
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did let the insects Go, so they didn't die in
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captivity Most of my life I've owned a dog up
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until recently about a year ago, which Jericho
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then passed away I've raised gerbils Tropical
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fish. I currently have a fish pond. It's got
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frogs, as you hear in the beginning of our podcast.
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That's one of my pet frogs. Buddy the pet frog,
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yes. And there's also about 60 goldfish that
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are in the pond. Mark, I believe currently you
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have some pets along with a history of pet ownership
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yourself, don't you? Well, glad you asked. It's
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kind of funny. He had a cat until I learned I
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was allergic to cats. And that didn't last long.
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Then over the years, we entertained having rabbits.
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We entertained having the gerbils and hamsters.
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Then we went into the interesting world of reptiles.
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Bearded dragon, etc. You got the bearded dragon
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from us. Oh, that's interesting. Son owned the
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bearded dragon. No kidding. And she took such
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good care of it that the bearded dragon was laying
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eggs. That's right. She never laid an egg in
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our house. And we learned bearded dragons, I
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guess, are like chickens. They don't need a male
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bearded dragon to produce eggs. Well, thanks
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for reminding me of that. And that was a wonderful
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time. After that, we did get into having a dog.
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We had her for 13 years. And since in the last
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five or six years, maybe longer, we've had a
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couple of cockatiels. And those two guys, Dusty
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and Dylan, they're just a couple of characters.
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That's awesome. Thanks for asking. Yeah, pets
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are cool. Yeah, pets are just awesome. And so,
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you know, during COVID, there was a time where,
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for whatever reason, People were looking for
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companionship in there and that wasn't really
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in my case, but in watching YouTube's and and
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things like that I for some reason decided to
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make sourdough bread and By doing so I learned
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that sourdough starter can actually Become a
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pet as well, which is quite quite interesting.
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I don't know it for me took time every morning
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checking checking the dough adding the water
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making sure it was bubbling correctly and I was
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making a lot of a lot of bread little did I know
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how attached you could become it's much more
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than as we'll tell you water and flour and my
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experience was fun but I have to admit it was
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short -lived because I am NOT a baker and although
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I enjoyed my sourdough Starter I did not ever
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give it a name and in the end I have to say that
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one day I woke up and said that's about enough
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of this taking care of the sourdough starter
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and I took the starter and made some delicious
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pancakes so Mark and I Would love to take you
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on the journey our listeners Because many of
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you may not even know or be aware that having
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sourdough starter as a pet even exists. And so
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join us as we take you on the journey of sourdough
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starter as a pet. Well, like I said, in the introduction,
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during COVID, I did become a sourdough pet, sourdough
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starter pet owner, and mine was also very short
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lived. Surprisingly, and not surprisingly, it
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happens to be a Ancient art in reality and mine
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was only in months in ancient time it's because
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of kovat and other various things has found itself
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as a resurgent and People are beginning to really
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enjoy doing sourdough baking. I did a query surprised
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to see that Sourdough bread goes back to Egyptian
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times yes yeah we're going to take a different
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take on sourdough bread here instead of coffee
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we're going to get more involved with the pet
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side right we're not going to tell anyone how
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to bake sourdough bread should you want to learn
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that our listeners that can go to all types of
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sources and bake all kinds of wonderful sourdough
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bread well our audience might not know me as
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well as you do mark and my confession is that
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during the covid time when This all became like
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a thing with people with bacon bread because
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it was tough to get bread, I guess. Well, I didn't
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even care about sourdough bread, but recently
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I got turned down to it. I think we were talking
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about it and I became a big fan of sourdough
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bread because of its being a healthier choice
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of bread. Yeah, it actually is. It actually because
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of the way it's produced with the natural yeast
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in the air. Um, it's got that, you know, distinctive
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flavor and texture to it. Oh yeah. And it becomes,
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it's like, uh, pumpernickel is another health
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type bread. Uh, rye bread is another health type
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bread as opposed to your typical, uh, just white
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bread. Yeah. And I guess during the gold rush
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days, uh, French bakers came to San Francisco
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and they found wild yeast in the area being the
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main key secret ingredient. Making a sourdough
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bread that I am so affectionate. Yeah, I mean
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just it's floating in the air. There's actually
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Somewhere I know in our notes. I have a date
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that again. We don't really deal with dates very
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often, but somewhere in the 1800s San Francisco
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like we had you just mentioned that became the
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the starter of the starter for America I guess
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yes, and there's still to this day a baker that
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originates from the 1800s That's making the sourdough
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bread from that original starter so and and may
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our listeners know that I Insisted that we make
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this our second Episode yes, this is the one
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of the reasons why because I really want you
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to tell this story About which I find to be very
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funny about the twist on how sourdough Starter
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mm -hmm is so much like having or owning a pet
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yeah it really really really is it's a simple
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thing of just water and flour and yet it comes
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alive starts to bubble starts to squeak um it's
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it's truly a pet uh we'd like to hear some of
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your stories as well again you can send us a
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email to the audience and tell us what you've
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learned in your production of doing a sourdough
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starter um but Like any pet, it does require
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regular care and attention. You can't just put
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water and flour into a mason jar and leave it
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alone. I know what you mean. We taught our kids
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how to take care of small animals or fish. And,
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you know, there's that same gut feel I have about
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responsibility. Yes. So that's why. I could never
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be a sourdough bread baker. Yes yes I mean that
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was you know like I say during COVID people were
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searching for companionship in that so that became
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their companion because it is a pet uh to them
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but it you have to you have to feed it sometimes
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daily oh yeah um you have to check it you have
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to smell it you got to make sure you got to take
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some of it out and freshen it um and you got
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to do a lot of baking Because otherwise you just
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keep getting bigger and bigger containers of
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sourdough starter well mark I really feel that
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you're doing the public a Service by announcing
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that there's something all this responsibility
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at the level of obligation Yes, say I could make
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you depressed if your sourdough starter kit Somehow
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came to its demise. Yes. Yes I mean if you're
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gonna treat it you want to just make sourdough
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once or twice You just make a starter and you
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do it and you're done But if you want to treat
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it as a this is gonna be in our home This is
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our pet then yes environmental conditions can
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be important. You need consistent temperature
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You find a location that is easily accessible
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to you out of the way Because although it's a
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pet You don't want your dogs, your cats, or anything,
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or your kids to be eating the raw sourdough starter.
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It's a little bit different if you have a cat
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and the cat eats your goldfish. Well, bye -bye
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goldfish, but your cat will be okay. Right. Maybe
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a little tired and might need a little nap. If
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Sylvester will ever eat Tweety Bird, bye -bye
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Tweety Bird. Sylvester will live to see another
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day, having enjoyed a little bird for lunch.
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But this does not hold true when it comes to
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your sourdough starter. Well, you know, I didn't
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mean to get you ahead of yourself or get started,
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no pun intended, further down the road. But why
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don't you go ahead and tell us where you want
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to start with caring for sourdough as our pet.
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Well, first, you have to set up a feeding schedule,
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of course. You've got to add your fresh flour
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and add a little water. You've got to discard
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some of the old portion to keep it fresh. Environmental
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conditions, like I say, you want to have a consistent
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temperature. So you don't want to be moving it
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around your house. You find a nice, decent spot.
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You've got to keep an eye on it. Make sure that
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it is bubbling properly, that it rises. You'll
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be amazed when you just add the... the water
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and the flour looks like nothing and then you
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wake up the next day and it's like three times
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the size bubbling and making you know all kinds
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of you know like it's alive like it's alive that's
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literally alive if you really get into it you
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might want to name your sourdough bread and we'll
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get into some crazy names as we progress through
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this podcast one quick little story is there
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was a baker and he became very Attached to his
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sourdough starter. And so he actually named it
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the Salvador and This is a love story. It's actually
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a love story. Yeah, he He found it to be a relationship
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is a true love as he said he said about Salvador
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He said he feeds me and I feed him There's a
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little symbiotism there. It's a very symbiotic
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relationship, I guess. This baker even has imaginary
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conversations. And that's where, like during
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COVID, if people want a companionship, I mean,
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you talk to your dog, you talk to your cat. Yeah.
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Some people were talking to their sourdough starter.
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Yeah. It would bubble back at them. Well, now
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that's getting a little scary. It's very interesting.
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During feeding time. this guy would feed salvatore
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and uh you know make sure that he was eating
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properly and and looking healthy and smelling
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right and you know who knows to this day this
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baker probably has salvatore still in his kitchens
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bubbling away well i i actually wanted to ask
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a question because i find it very interesting
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that you can relate to the starter we do all
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of our relationships. So in every relationship
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has its ups and downs. So I'm very curious, you
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know, what could go wrong with your starter?
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Well, you can have it where it environmentally
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doesn't work well. It basically dies or it gets
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bacteria that isn't the good bacteria. And it'll
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talk to you. You'll know. You'll look at it one
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day and it's, you know, green in the gills kind
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of thing. you'll decide maybe I don't want to
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use this batch and again, it's easy enough to
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toss it and start the new one, but if you're
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successful You might want to go on a vacation.
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Well, there you go. Now there's one of the challenges
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of a relationship Separation. Yes, so you can
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be separated If it's a dog, for example, you
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send your dog to a kennel. We have a neighbor
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We have people that you know, allow your dog
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to come into their homes It's a whole new industry
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that started really, again, because of COVID.
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So now you leave your dog with a stranger in
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their home, though, rather than in a kennel.
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Right, where there's that emotional connection
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because... It's with the family. Well, there's
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a trust bond that's going on with the neighbor
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or family. Exactly right. Even with the kennel.
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Trust just isn't there. No. No, it's you feel
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like you're abandoning your dog and your dog
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isn't happy and that's the looks the dog is.
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Yeah, you know that the eyes are looking at you.
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Whereas, you know, your starter dough won't do
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that. But for example, if you're going away for,
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oh, with let's say a week's time, you can put
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your starter dough in your own refrigerator and
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you can do that any time actually. And you got
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about a week where it kind of quiets down. It
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rests. And you can go about your business and
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not have to worry about feeding it every day
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or baking as often as you did Well, you know,
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let me ask you a question about that. I have
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to get this I'm visual so I know how big my dog
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is Because my pet starter well depends on how
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much and how often you use it or dump out some
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of it to Refresh it because some people end up
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with a five gallon bucket or bigger Oh, wow.
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Of sourdough starter. Those are the people who,
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for example, the big boom of bakers, again, because
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of COVID. There's a multitude of bakers that
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became professional bakers because of their sourdough
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and because of COVID. They had so much of it
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that they decided to open shop as times got better.
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So, yeah, you do have that consideration. but
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otherwise if you're going away for a longer term
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and you want to keep it in your house you can
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freeze it and it won't die you know you can take
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it out and it'll preserve for you know a period
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of time exactly how long I'm I'm not sure but
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when you take it out it warms and you give it
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its feeding and it'll resume if you were in Europe
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I think it's Sweden and they may have some places
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in America I'm sure they do Think Sweden they
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actually have like hotels for your sourdough
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and so you can bring your sourdough to these
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people and While you're on vacation your sourdough
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will theoretically also be on vacation. Okay
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the under continental or Who knows maybe one
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day the Ritz -Carlton will have its own sweets
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for you can get real complicated not everybody
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has this ability but you can literally dehydrate
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your sourdough bread and then rehydrate it and
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i guess that probably works on the theory of
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dried yeast probably you know dehydrated and
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we can't call it inhumane no it's it becomes
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alive again um i'd like to freeze dry i can't
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oh i shouldn't say that i have to cut that out
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if you're driving in somewhere and you want to
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take your sourdough along with you you can of
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course do that and you bring yourself a cooler
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and you bring yourself some uh fresh water if
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you need to and some flour and your little uh
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mason jar and yes feed your starter while you're
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on the road yeah and i was just going to ask
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you a question about going back to refrigeration
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are there some guidelines keep in mind about
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refrigerating sourdough i don't know i think
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it's just you know your regular refrigerator
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and you got about a week okay So rests for about
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a week and after that it's it's still gonna be
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hungry So you have to take it out feed it and
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you'll see it, you know immediately begins to
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activate over Okay, you know a short period of
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time so you're back in business again having
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to take care of your so a few days or four or
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five days and it's going to start Yeah, I think
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I actually left mine for seven days. Okay at
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a time and you know experimenting and Grew in
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the flower added some water and following day.
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It was back bubbling away on the countertop.
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Yeah, I Think active and healthy if we could
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only feed our cats and dogs once a week would
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that be nice. Yeah Put your dog in the refrigerator
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Now what if you what would you do if it was longer
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than that you had to be absent Well at that point
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then like I say you can give it to a neighbor
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you can find again you can probably Research
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places that would take your sourdough bread and
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care for it Or like I said take it with you Okay,
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so we're doing if you're driving to Florida for
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example, and you're gonna take a three -day trip
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or wherever driving Take the sourdough with you
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and you can feed it on the way you stop at McDonald's
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and your sourdough, you know food The backseat
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the first thing that came in my mind was freezing
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it Can you freeze it? You can freeze it, yes.
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And that won't hurt it? No. No, like I said,
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freezing is fine. And then you can thaw it out.
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You can thaw it out. Yeah, like I said, dehydrating
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you can do. That's, you know, again, you're,
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you know, you need a dehydrator to do that. And
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that's a little bit more crazy advanced. So I
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don't know that a lot of people would be doing
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that. The biggest thing with sourdough was, again,
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with the rise of social media. Again, COVID had
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a huge expansion. to sourdough because people
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were home and so social media began showing sourdough
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and people would do youtube videos on their sourdough
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starter and then of course show the breads that
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they were making yeah today if you go like the
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whole foods there's i think sometimes four or
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five different varieties of sourdough absolutely
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true they have ancient sourdough and they have
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olives incorporated into the sourdough and they
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have the original san francisco Sourdough and
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I think there's even a rye bread sourdough. I
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think you're right and I have to How many of
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those have you tried virtually all of them? In
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fact when I get least of off and my wife enjoys
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it the most but this is the San Francisco standard
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sourdough It's probably the least often that
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I purchase now. Okay, and I purchase all these
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other varieties the Mish the ancient grain. Yeah.
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Yeah There's another one Cartland or something.
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Yes I find it very fascinating that there are
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so many varieties. Before we started talking
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about this, I only thought that there was San
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Francisco sourdough. You thought that was it?
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Yeah. Again, who has an emotional attachment
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to theoretically their bread? I did not develop
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that personally because I didn't live that long.
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I mean, I made bread. I'm not a baker. during
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the social media time, during the COVID time,
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it was critical for people to develop this relationship
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and so it was important that they learned how
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to take care of their sourdough starter. One
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thing to remember is if you really get into it,
00:23:20.759 --> 00:23:24.680
like I had mentioned, sourdough starter can live
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like a really long time and so of just like that
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baking house that has their starter from like
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the year 1849 in San Francisco. Your long living
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companion can be like compared to deciding to
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have maybe a parrot or a turtle as a pet. So
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it could very well outlive you and you could
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hand down to your generations of family your
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pet sourdough starter. It would be well worth
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finding out the name of the bakery that's in
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San Francisco. I think it's Bodine. Yeah, you're
00:24:03.690 --> 00:24:07.029
right. I think it is Bodine. What's very interesting
00:24:07.029 --> 00:24:10.230
in my mind as we're talking about it is to think
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about the simple fact that that baker probably
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has made out much better on the San Francisco
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Gold Rush than maybe 99 .5 % of the miners did.
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How about it, right? Maybe even better than Levi
00:24:24.450 --> 00:24:28.299
Strauss did. That's yeah, that's right. I mean
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that's amazing because people had to eat right,
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you know And it was a very you know, simple process
00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:37.740
and in producing The bread and look worse, you
00:24:37.740 --> 00:24:42.079
know, look what's got him today Quite amazing.
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I don't know for our listeners again, if you
00:24:44.180 --> 00:24:46.579
have any stories about your starter different
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types of breads that You guys produce names any
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names that you come up with I have to admit I
00:24:53.039 --> 00:24:58.109
did not in the in the end name my starter. I
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would look at it and kind of mumble to it in
00:25:01.450 --> 00:25:03.150
the morning and say you're looking good but I
00:25:03.150 --> 00:25:06.009
did not come up with a name and if the grandkids
00:25:06.009 --> 00:25:08.869
were over I'm sure they would have but again
00:25:08.869 --> 00:25:13.390
it was COVID. I had a nameless starter and we
00:25:13.390 --> 00:25:16.029
got along just fine again until I made pancakes
00:25:16.029 --> 00:25:19.329
out of the last of it one day. Well that's a
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I don't know what kind of an ending call that
00:25:22.130 --> 00:25:25.549
there's an adjective for that obviously the starter
00:25:25.549 --> 00:25:29.190
had not given you enough emotional support to
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make you want to stay yeah I got my emotional
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support elsewhere and it was not from my starter
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in my case that whole process of giving it characteristics
00:25:37.869 --> 00:25:41.769
of the name and all the affection that goes along
00:25:41.769 --> 00:25:44.430
with it yeah you know it's all kinds of categories
00:25:44.430 --> 00:25:46.730
of all kinds of names like funny names so you
00:25:46.730 --> 00:25:50.509
can call your starter dough Bread pit. I like
00:25:50.509 --> 00:25:54.670
that one. That's a good one. Clint Yeastwood
00:25:54.670 --> 00:25:57.950
would be a good one or Jane Doe. Oh, yeah. What
00:25:57.950 --> 00:26:03.150
about Jane Doe? Yeah, that's a Vincent van Doe
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Those are kind of interesting. That's four winners
00:26:05.269 --> 00:26:08.650
right there for for pop culture type names Let's
00:26:08.650 --> 00:26:11.230
say oh, this is one of my favorites because I
00:26:11.230 --> 00:26:14.130
I have to admit one of my all -time favorite
00:26:14.130 --> 00:26:20.779
characters is spongebob, so Spongebob sour dough
00:26:20.779 --> 00:26:26.319
pants for your Star Wars fans Luke Rye Walker
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Because yes, you can make Rye bread out of sour
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dough Hey, are you people that are in listeners
00:26:34.420 --> 00:26:38.619
that are in the historical type names about?
00:26:39.059 --> 00:26:48.500
Thomas loaf Jefferson or Edgar Allen dough So,
00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:51.279
Mark, you know, in our previous podcast, we learned
00:26:51.279 --> 00:26:55.079
that there were health benefits to coffee. And
00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:58.440
in this podcast, of course, sourdough starter
00:26:58.440 --> 00:27:02.400
as a pet. We know that it's been shown that having
00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:07.500
a pet also has some health benefits to them for
00:27:07.500 --> 00:27:11.140
us. As it turns out, not only do you get the
00:27:11.140 --> 00:27:14.619
health benefits while it is a pet, but once you
00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:18.259
cook your pet into a nice loaf of sourdough bread,
00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:21.539
you get additional health benefits. Why don't
00:27:21.539 --> 00:27:25.039
you tell our listeners what you found those health
00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:27.359
benefits to be? I really want to tell you these
00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:30.599
five things about health benefits for sourdough
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:32.960
bread. And I'm going to just rattle them off.
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:36.380
First one is improved digestibility. Number two,
00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:39.599
better blood sugar management. Number three,
00:27:39.900 --> 00:27:43.420
enhanced nutrient absorption. That's a tough
00:27:43.420 --> 00:27:47.400
one. Four prebiotic properties. I don't even
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:49.799
know what that is and then number five potential
00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:53.880
antioxidant benefits and Let me just go in reverse
00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:58.000
order with these because to me Antioxidant benefits
00:27:58.000 --> 00:28:01.220
is pretty cool because there's so much stuff
00:28:01.220 --> 00:28:04.660
that we eat. That's basically Just junk food.
00:28:05.180 --> 00:28:08.859
So our bodies miss all these natural nutrients
00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:12.680
Antioxidants that come from all the fresh fruit
00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:16.880
and vegetables and healthy foods that We all
00:28:16.880 --> 00:28:22.779
rarely eat which is pretty cool so number two
00:28:22.779 --> 00:28:27.240
Going backwards is prebiotic properties. I don't
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:31.099
know anything about prebiotics except that Okay,
00:28:31.299 --> 00:28:33.420
good bacteria. All right. I know my wife eats
00:28:33.420 --> 00:28:36.859
a lot of yogurt like daily so and I know that
00:28:36.859 --> 00:28:39.769
that Little cup is so filled with like millions
00:28:39.769 --> 00:28:51.650
or billions of bacteria and So there's an enhanced
00:28:51.650 --> 00:28:55.970
nutrient absorption now I've read about this
00:28:55.970 --> 00:28:58.190
on all kinds of supplement labels and I gotta
00:28:58.190 --> 00:29:00.950
tell you my doctor does not believe in supplements
00:29:01.690 --> 00:29:04.750
but i know that like black pepper is on so many
00:29:04.750 --> 00:29:07.150
of these supplements that in order for you to
00:29:07.150 --> 00:29:10.509
absorb whatever the thing is from you know some
00:29:10.509 --> 00:29:13.769
kind of hokey supplemental uh make you better
00:29:13.769 --> 00:29:18.809
stuff that you know it seems that sourdough helps
00:29:18.809 --> 00:29:22.190
your body to absorb other nutrients whatever
00:29:22.190 --> 00:29:25.910
those could be well for example i believe it's
00:29:25.910 --> 00:29:29.390
minerals and i think these three minerals obviously
00:29:29.390 --> 00:29:31.700
we all need I know when I was in the hospital
00:29:31.700 --> 00:29:35.099
once they gave me extra magnesium for whatever
00:29:35.099 --> 00:29:37.839
reason and uh wasn't extra because I didn't have
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:41.619
enough I guess gave me enough magnesium and sourdough
00:29:41.619 --> 00:29:46.240
uh is giving you more iron more zinc and yes
00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:49.940
more magnesium wow I think with all those uh
00:29:49.940 --> 00:29:53.500
metals maybe uh it'd be good for batteries yeah
00:29:53.500 --> 00:29:57.660
or watch out for uh going through what TSA yeah
00:29:57.660 --> 00:29:59.640
that's for sure you won't get through the machine
00:30:00.309 --> 00:30:03.269
So better blood sugar management. I think that's
00:30:03.269 --> 00:30:06.609
important to a lot of people because everybody
00:30:06.609 --> 00:30:09.329
seems to be dealing with some kind of blood sugar
00:30:09.329 --> 00:30:14.289
problem. We all eat the wrong stuff and it leads
00:30:14.289 --> 00:30:19.450
to chronic diseases. Then the last or the first
00:30:19.450 --> 00:30:22.390
thing was improved digestibility, which is what
00:30:22.390 --> 00:30:24.849
really attracted me to sourdough bread in the
00:30:24.849 --> 00:30:29.319
first place. Because, you know, What they say
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is that your better gut health leads to a better
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overall health Exactly so mark those five benefits
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are absolutely fantastic Again going back to
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our previous podcast. It looks like you may become
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are also our medical warnings expert and I believe
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sourdough although it is Fantastic and has some
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great health benefits. There's also some health
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warnings that I guess we should tell our listeners
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about. Well, warnings will be warnings, won't
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they? And I think the most important advice to
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that is to do everything in moderation. And that's
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also important with sourdough bread, that it
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should be eaten, consumed in moderation. And
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as part of a balanced diet, specific health effects
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may vary depending on individual factors. in
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the type of flour that's used in the bread. Rye
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bread is probably better than white bread. Could
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be. More fiber. Definitely. That's really awesome.
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I'm so glad everybody can have a pet and health
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benefits that exceed what your standard pet might
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give you. And at an affordable price. Yes, yes.
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Let's go get some sourdough bread. The doorbell
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rings. The dog starts barking. The baby is crying.
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With all this chaos, the one thing calm and bubbly
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is your sourdough starter. It is bubbling quietly
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as it sits in its mason jar on your kitchen counter.
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As pet owners of sourdough starter, at times
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our lives can be hectic. And we can go crazy
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as we learn taking care. of all the other things
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we need to. This includes our pets. Even so,
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we still acquire a love and a satisfaction of
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caring for them. Mark and I hope our listeners
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who might be unfamiliar with pet ownership are
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not discouraged from giving sourdough as a pet
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an opportunity to be shared at their homes. Remember,
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you can have fun with your starter. If you have
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kids, they may end up helping care for it. Or
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they may even take it to school. It's a science
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project. That all of you learn that sourdough
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starter as a pet can be fun and entertaining.
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Your starter can even give you companionship
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as we learned. You can go on vacation and not
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worry. You can take your sourdough with you.
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And if not, it will be okay when you return.
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It's easier than caring for many other types
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of pets. Bad weather? No problem. No poop bags
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required. Only a knife and butter. Or a fork
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for sourdough pancakes. Thank you. Mark and I
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really appreciate and thank you for tuning in
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