Logan: Christian, thank you so much for taking the time to ⁓ visit with me. I was first ⁓ introduced to you on a ⁓ podcast with Brandon Crawford, actually. He's ⁓ he's done some bangers and done a really good job. And so ⁓ my mentor, Dr. Jack Cruz, is how I came across Brandon, and ⁓ there's so much amazing ⁓ information in in that space and what's going on. But you
Christian Drapeau: Okay.
Logan: You are one of the world experts on stem cells. You've been doing this a long time, a very important conversation. So what I would like to do in before we get into it, I'm I'm I'm super excited about this conversation is do do the whole introduction thing. Let's talk a little bit about the super basics of what a stem cell even is and ⁓ we're gonna we're gonna dive in.
Christian Drapeau: Okay. ⁓ I think the easiest way to understand what a stem cell is, is to look at all the other cells in the body that are not stem cells. So you take a cell of your muscle, of your skin, of your bones, like they're called somatic cells, meaning they are specialized, they do one specific thing, they will never transform, and they never they will never do something else. ⁓ and and to a large extent, they will also never proliferate, like expand. So at the other end of the spectrum you have a stem cell, which is a blank cell that is nothing by itself as a stem cell. I mean it's not entirely true, but but let's say they're a blank cell and they're real. Mission in life is that at some point in time they will transform into something else, ⁓ which could be bone, muscle, ⁓ skin, what we talked about, and they will be a supply of sort of raw cells to repair the entire body. Traditionally, they're known to be precursors to blood cells. This was discovered in the early 1960s, and at the time, the thought was that. They can become blood cells, but they're limited to just blood cells. And what really ⁓ constitutes like this rebirth in the whole world of stem cell research is the discovery that not only can they become blood cells, but actually they can become pretty much everything in the body. Not only they can, but they actually do this every day. It is the body's repair system. That's essentially what stem cells are.
Logan: So the importance of stem cells as far as regeneration and remodeling and having an optimized body ⁓ is is of the paramount importance. But what I have found is that we take these aspects, have truths, market it, and do some crazy stuff like what's going on in the world of peptides and stem cell replacement therapies, right? And it completely omits the cascade that's a s that is supposed to happen. So What I mean by that is I want us to go back a little bit, you brought up the 60s, let's go back there, with the work of Dr. Robert O'Becker. So, what Becker has proven is that it's an electromagnetic aspect. And so, like he even laid out the pluripotential stem cells coming from red blood cells, right? It was a reversion, which is fascinating. So the electromagnetic component on regeneration is vitally important, right? And this is where I was before, I don't know if it was before we were recording or not, the physics piece is fundamental. And you're able to take what you have done and help me hopefully bridge some of these aspects. So what about the release of stem cells and in an electromagnetic capability are are we missing when we try to inject stem cells and do some of this other crazy stuff?
Christian Drapeau: I mean, it's a question that has many, many layers. ⁓ let me let me try to go in various directions. Number one, you brought something that is fascinating in the sense that there's data, I don't know when it was done, but it was like a long time ago, ⁓ at least 30, 40 years, if not more, ⁓ when some scientists took r cut the paw. of a of a of a rat. We know that the salamander will regenerate their limbs naturally. So when you put an electrode in the wound where you've cut that paw, ⁓ you can record a certain potential, electrical potential. When you do this in a mem in a mammalian like a mouse for example, you get the reversal of the potential. So they were able to kind of reverse that potential to make it similar to what you find in a salamander and make that paw regrow. So so there is a there's a clear impact or relationship between electrical charges, polarization, and regeneration. We know that regeneration is driven by stem cells. ⁓ there's nothing else in your body that can regenerate tissues. It's stem cells. So that means there has to be like a really clear connection between polarization, electricity charges, and the role of stem cells, or at least their attraction to a specific area. We know today that pulse electromagnetic frequency that has been used for a long time to help repair joints for muscle injuries, bone fractures, everything pertaining to joints. and ⁓ it's been used for decades without a clear understanding of how it was working. Of course, the general understanding or explanation would be ⁓ you impart charges to cells so you help recharge membrane potential, you help recharge mitochondria. This sort of like directly this is where the mind would go. ⁓ and I'm sure it it does that to an extent, no, no question. But what we have found over the past five, 10 years is that if you look at the effect on stem cells, wherever you apply these electrical charges, you pool stem cells, you boost their ability to migrate in the tissue, you boost their ability to proliferate. And you also, if you take stem cells just in the test tube and you apply PMF to these stem cells, they will transform into muscle cells, tendon, ligaments, bones. ⁓ so so it looks like PMF, which is electrical charges, essentially magnetic charges, pretty much do most of their work through their impact on stem cells. So I'm putting all of this together and basically kind of going into along with what you said, which is there is a real link here between electrical charge. magnetic frequencies and our ability to repair. Now there was an another part to your question, which was ⁓ the the release of stem cells. So from the angle of releasing of stem cells, the I think the biggest conclusion that we can draw, it's a it's a big conclusion, but it comes from, I mean, hundreds, if not thousands of studies. There's a direct link between how many stem cells you have in your blood circulation. And the body's ability to repair. Now, electricity can change that, but if you just look at it at it very generally, you put more stem cells in circulation, you've boosted the ability of the body to repair. ⁓ and and repair in a very general sense, meaning sometimes stem cells may not go and actually do the repair, but they're going to regenerate blood vessels. They will recreate an environment that is much more, that brings much more capacity. For endogenous repair without necessarily stem cells doing the home repair on their own. So, what I mean by repair here is just like the overall capacity of the body to regenerate depends on stem cells themselves and what stem cells stimulate in the body.
Logan: Okay. Love it. ⁓ so you laid out ⁓ perfectly with the electrical charge. This is what I call field governance, that it brought the stem cells to the location of damage for regeneration, which is exactly what Becker proved, right? And he even like regenerated the end of a finger on like an eleven year old human, right? Like so like there there Yeah, so this is it's extremely important. So the the next thing that you you brought up was the
Christian Drapeau: W we we did the same.
Logan: the the movement of being able to have like elevated stem cells in blood. Well, we also have evidence in the literature, and this is I think where we're gonna be able to bridge this, that we can have elevated stem cells without regeneration. Like we're still not receiving it. So what I try to do is look at everything through this physics lens of signals and receivers. Okay. So we can have the receiver that a stem cell is, it is a receiver, and then it is drawn to whatever the signal is, the filth, like the el electromagnetic, and then
Christian Drapeau: Mm-hmm.
Logan: pulsed electromagnetic, which is what PMF is. And then it gets activated based on a certain field governance phenomena or whatever that input is. This is where I got really excited and wanted to talk to you. And I don't know if it was you or somebody on the team. When I was reading the description of mobilize, you specifically have in there that it is a impact on the endothelial glycocalyx, the ESL. This is one of the most
Christian Drapeau: Mm-hmm.
Logan: profound things. This is what that one statement is what got me so excited about talking to you. So why that is so important, I want you to go back a little bit on the what releases stem cells because we know that it's nitric oxide. Like we know nitric oxide is fundamental to allowing if a stem cell depot is released or not, right? And that that's that's one more layer that and I want you to take over on on the nitric oxide. But we know that we have stem cells created in the bone bone marrow. We know that they're packaged and they're stored in thymus, ⁓ liver, adipose tissue, and then that current, right, whatever the signal is, is going to draw towards the repair, but we have to have operating glycocalyx for it to get through and be in the appropriate place in the appropriate field. How do we rationalize this entire process? And if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me, say I'm wrong, or you disagree on anything.
Christian Drapeau: Mm-hmm.
Logan: How how do we rationalize this entire cascade? Because what I just said is if you've actually read this is for the listeners, if read and dove down into the literature, we know nothing happens with nitric oxide without a UV, a solar input first. So how do we square all this away?
Christian Drapeau: Okay. Again, there's a lot a lot of layers in the question. ⁓ the the the the the main reservoir of stem cells is your bone marrow. So we find them. So go back twenty, twenty-five years ago, and it was the big question is like where can we find like these precious cells in the body? Fast forward twenty-five years later, they are everywhere. You walk on the street and you spit on the sidewalk, and there are probably stem cells in that spit. they are everywhere. So to say, you know, they're also like in the liver, in the thymus, and in the in in fat tissue, they are everywhere. So stem, every single tissue has its own stem cells. So the bigger question here is: where is which one is the reservoir that kind of feeds the rest of these stem cells? And that reservoir is the bone marrow. So it is where stem cells basically reside before they move into a tissue and become what is referred to as tissue resident stem cells. So cardiac stem cells. And we've known two types of these stem cells historically, meaning that we have seen that there are tissues that contain a population of cells that is self-duplicating and participate in the repair of that tissue. And we had seen this before in the muscles, we call them satellite cells. And we saw this in the liver, we call them oval cells. Now we realize it's everywhere. And now we're just calling them brain stem cells, pancreatic stem cells, ⁓ endotheal ⁓ epidermal stem cells for the skin. We should have called them hepathic stem cells and muscle stem cells. So so it puts everything back in the context, they are everywhere in the body. ⁓ so so that was one part of your question. Okay. The the the the the glycocalyx and the the nitric oxide nitric oxide I mean I may have to dive back in the literature to to look at it but but what I what I remember of the literature the the the the readings that I did of the of the literature on nitric oxide is that it's very much of a mechanic mechanistic mechanism of action. What I mean by this, if you increase blood flow in in small capillaries, you increase entrainment. And there is a population of stem cells on the bone marrow that is that could that is really just a a matter of ⁓ it's it's how could I say it's the it's the sum or the comp the the composition of the ability to adhere and cling to the bone marrow environment and how much they're entrained through the blood flow. So if you increase blood circulation, you are going to entrain the number of stem cells. But I don't think that nitric oxide is necessary for stem cell release. Like, for example, you will have some neurotransmitters. If you block norepinephrine in the body and then you use compounds that are known to trigger stem cell release from the bone marrow, you don't get stem cell mobilization. There's a message from the brain, or at least from the nervous system, that that is essential for the release, which I find fascinating because we know how the brain can affect healing. So, any case, so that connection is there. The reason why we brought mobilize is to understand that. When we release stem cells, let me take one step back. One thing that stem cell research has revealed, which I think is the most profound element that was discovered that is linked to stem cell research, although it's still like untalked about in medical science. And it's the fact that we experience aging as sort of a like erosion, like an old fence in your backyard, like every year. Under the sun, rain, winds, and everything, like it's a little bit more decrepit. And what we realize is that it's not the case. The body is constantly in a process of tissue turnover. We lose cells every day since the day you're born, and you replace them. That's the role of stem cells. So it's a very dynamic system. It looks like you have a small erosion, but it's simply because the balance between these two processes is a little bit. Over degeneration than repair. When you're young, it's the other way around. About like early 40s, late 30s, you lose that balance. You pass this threshold. And now you start to realize I don't repair as well as I used to. I don't recover as well as as we used to. So you lose that balance, but that process continues. It's a constant process of tissue turnover. ⁓ if you think of Yiroshima, if you kill all your stem cells. You don't live more than two, three months. ⁓ if if that. So my point with all of this is to say that if you have a chronic condition for two, three years and it's not repairing, it does it's not because you're not releasing stem cells, because you're still alive. Your liver is fine, your pancreas is fine, your skin is fine, so you are releasing stem cells. They do their job in their body. Why aren't they reaching the place where you need repair? And it's simply because either the signaling does not reach stem cells or they cannot reach that area. So it brings two elements. So we have a product that suppresses systemic inflammation because it's background noise, it's noise, because the same signal that you talked about before that stem cells are receptors, they are. So they receive a signal which is inflammation, which is essentially that the only reason for inflammation has a lot of bad effects, but but the reason for inflammation. Is to call stem cells to that area because there's an injury that needs to repair. Now, if it does not repair, that signal keeps going, it becomes systemic, it becomes background noise. So you release the stem cells, it's looking where it needs to go, but it's getting a signal everywhere around it. So it does not, it's unable to find where the problem is. So you need to suppress that systemic inflammation. And then you need to reopen the microvasculature to allow these relatively big stem cells. To be able to go in all the fine vasculature that now are in need of repair. So if you have a chronic condition somewhere, that chronic nature of the problem has affected the microcirculation. That area of your body is missing a lot of things, is affected by inflammation, is not receiving nutrients, oxygen, like everything. So it it goes down over time. So mobilize was built with four technologies all together: one, nitrokinase to increase blood fluidity, nitokinase. Alone at doses higher than what you have immobilized, but alone nato kinase have been shown to reverse arterial disease. ⁓ so it it can lead through a lot of benefits on the cardiovascular system. We have nitric oxide producer to increase the blood flow into blood vessels. We have a series of bioflavonoids and plant extract documented to help rebuild the environment of capillaries. Capillaries are passive, so they need to be flexible to really do their job. And then we have those famous polysaccharides to rebuild the glycocalyx because the glycocalyx is essential for stem cells to be able to engage in the process that will allow them to migrate in the tissue. If you don't have a healthy glycocalyx, you could have stem cells in your bloodstream, and they may just pass and not be able to migrate in that area to go and do the healing. So that's what mobilizes is to bring these four aspects of microcirculation. to really make sure that every place in your body have access to this power of repair.
Logan: That's that's what I was saying with the elevated stem cell blood count, we can still not have the repair. And I think that you laid that out with the the glycocalyx it precisely. And so
Christian Drapeau: Totally. But it's beyond, but it's beyond, Logan, it's beyond glycocalyx in the sense that in the early 2000s, we were probably 2003, I would think. ⁓ so after the first discovery that we did of a plant that was triggering stem cell release, the idea was already in my mind that there has to be a link between the number of stem cells in circulation and the development of age-related diseases. So we had access to about ⁓ what 200 patients with Alzheimer's. So we went and we quantified the number of stem cells in these people and and the idea was to correlate that with the degree of development of the problem. And we saw the reverse. And it's it's interesting because other groups have published that kind of we never published it. Other groups have published the same observation. There are Alzheimer's patients with very advanced Alzheimer's have a lot of stem cells in circulation. But what we found is that It's also coupled with a very high level of systemic inflammation. And these stem cells have lost the capacity to respond to the to the repair signal coming from the injured tissue. So they're there. They are in the bloodstream. They are unable to find where they need to go, and they're unable to leave the blood to go and do the repair. So they can be just there and be and be captured and locked if you want in the bloodstream.
Logan: Exactly, right? Like, and this is where I think that we we got to go circle back. The nitric oxide is fundamental for the optimization of stem cells. Like, there's nothing I'm more sure of in this world. I also know the photonic aspect is vitally important. So let me lay out two different things. We have the exogenous, we have the solar UV light that is paramount. So nitric oxide is.
Christian Drapeau: It is.
Logan: I think all the nitric oxide literature is a half-truth at best. Okay. I I don't think that we have the full picture because it is an atmospheric presence. Wheeler published this with the arginine paradox. This is Richard Wheeler, Edinburgh, that he laid out nitric oxide vasodilation and then the lower the blood pressure through UV exposure. This is where the arginine paradox came in. There was no dietary input at all, right? This is exogenous in there. What's happening is the atmospheric nitrogen in the blood is reacting at the glycocalyx with the UV as the input that then creates nitric oxide. That that's what's happening. And this is why it's a vasodilator. Now, the flip side of that is the endogenous. We can get through this is Roland Van Wick, this is Fritz Popp, this is a lot of the ultra-weak biophoton work, that we have these emissions from the mitochondria through metabolic metabolism, right? Like this is just where where different light spectra come up. Now what are we hitting? It everything has a signal and receiver every time. So these are signals because the mitochondria do a lot more than produce ATP, right? Like it is ⁓ they create CO2. This is a very important gas that goes in through the carbonic acid, carbon dioxide, bicarbonate axis. There's a lot that's going on there. It produces deuterium depleted water at comp at CCO, this complex four. So a lot of things are going on with the signal generation. This is the exogenous. This is my theory on why a so many of the plant compounds that you're seeing have the efficacy. They are what I have coined the phytophotonic, so phytoplant light. It is a chromophore. You're essentially been able to put in a optical absorption and emission condenser within the system that reestablishes everything that you're just laid in. And this is where we can see it historically. The other thing in it in in when you start looking at the emission and absorption spectra of aromatic amino acids or a lot of these botanicals, it's almost always in the UV range. It goes back to what I just said about the nitric oxide, the glycocalyx. So you have the internal light, this is ultra-weak biophotons, you have the external light, that's the sun. We have destroyed everything about the signals and receivers in biology. We cannot properly regulate deuterium, iron, oxygen, nothing. We don't understand the full fundamental capabilities. We think lacinoprille and beet juice somehow is going to cure the the fact that we live in an artificial environment. So my point of going through that tirade, I think the botanicals are massive bridger for a catastrophe that we have created in our life. But I think that it's working through optics. It's working through physics more than the chemistry.
Christian Drapeau: There's no doubt that light has an effect. There's no doubt that there are many cells that have chromophores. There's no doubt that light reaches inside the body and has an impact. But I'm not aware that production of nitric oxide depends on light emissions and many other things that are happening in the body. but but but it's not my expertise. So I I could not go on and and really ⁓ speak at length on and I have colleagues that can, ⁓ but on on the impact of ⁓ you know, photons inside the body or wavelengths we should say. 'Cause it's more f it's what it's more wavelength than photon.
Logan: And that's why this work is so important that we bridge it and we're able to take the chemistry mindset that we have in medicine and we bridge it over into the biophysics. This is where you talked about regeneration and why the fact that most ⁓ clinicians have no idea who Michael Levin even is, right? Like he has created the a another head on a C elegant based on a magnetic field. The same field that we're talking about that attracts stem cells to a damaged part of the body to repair it, he has proven that it is in embryology as well. Right? Like so when when we don't, when we when we as people that are trying to learn and help others, because I sincerely think that's exactly what you're trying to do too, and we don't know who Robert O'Becker is, we don't know who Gilbert Ling is, we don't know who May Wynn Ho is, we don't know who Fritz Popp or Roland Van Wick or the real work that Pastor or Albert St. Georgie had.
Christian Drapeau: Mm-hmm.
Logan: We don't have this groundwork, this framework to even understand to have discernment. And that's why I think that we have a catastrophe in health. I I think it is a omission of the truth based on ⁓ a system, a centralized system that is profiting from us being sick.
Christian Drapeau: I cannot comment a lot. I mean I mean there's no doubt that Electricity, I'm taking a very, very general term here. Electromagnetic frequencies, all of these. There's no question that there's plenty of evidence to show that. experimentally, but also ⁓ therapeutically. I mean, just talking about ⁓ what is the the name of that device? ⁓ Forgot the name, ⁓ but device that came from Germany quite some time ago. And ⁓ and they all work on emissions, electromagnetic emissions, and they are phenomenal and they're not included in mainstream medicine. I mean, I remember some years ago ⁓ I was in Bangkok in a lecture, and ⁓ somebody had one of these devices, and they were really like they wanted me to try their device. So at some point I had like 15 minutes. So I said, okay. So I sat in front of that device. I mean, all I had is I was touching some some electrodes. And within probably five, 10 minutes, it diagnosed some pain that I had in my knee, which is true. I had pain in my knee. And ⁓ but it was nobody would could see it. I could not rotate my knee. So anytime I would speak in front of a room as a speaker and I would turn, I would have to lift my leg and just like turn it at the hip because my knee could not take that rotation. And ⁓ and so he says, I said, Well, you it's nice to diagnose it. Can you treat it? He says, Yeah, we can treat it. He said, It will take twenty minutes, I had five minutes. So he did this treatment. I mean, this is all electromagnetic. Nothing touched me other than these two electrodes. I got up, I went to give the lecture, and as I'm giving the lecture, I realized that I can twist my knee and there's absolutely no pain whatsoever. And this is probably 15 years ago. So so I I mean I I've I've just seen enough along with what is in the literature to know that there's definitely there's a vast world in there and it has been crushed by by the pharmaceutical complex, you know, for lack of a better term. ⁓ it's like pass it's like, well, we're right now in the whole world of ⁓ what was it, ⁓ Darwin and Lamarck, you know, where Lamarck says you have acquired traits, Darwin says no, it's all passed down through generations. And now with epigenetics, we're realizing that Lamarck was not that that wrong. And so, in the same way, there was a whole science, a one or two centuries ago, that was using all of these electromagnetic devices with a lot of success. And it was crushed by by one industry that wanted to have the monopoly, and it was the biochemical industry, just like the antibiotic worlds crushed, you know, the the the ⁓ Homeopathy world with Pastor, just like like Darwin's world crush Lamarck. I mean, there's a lot of ex lots of examples like this in history ⁓ to show that the dominant world is not necessarily the the most, I wouldn't say the best or the most relevant. It's not the whole. There are other things aside that in some cases can be extremely effective. No question.
Logan: I I love that, I agree. What I have really come to term when you you you bring up kind of evolution, adaptation, creation, like when when we look at that, the framework that I use is field governance. So this is why I say Australia has a different field governance. And by field governance I mean the collection of signals. That's light, water, magnetism, resonance, temperature, and time. When those signals have a different biological effect on whatever receiver they're impacting. This is why an aborigine looks different than an Eskimo looks different than an Asian, right? Like we have or a Viking or a whatever, like you name it. Everybody has a different mitochondrial haplotype that has been expressed through the field governance of whatever that was. That's why there's different kinds of plants. That's why we have, you know, C three, C4, CAM photosynthesis. It is the field governance. So to your point, discussing the whole electromagnetic optimization with whatever that machine is, it's still Before we got on here, I told you going back down to El Salvador, and you're why? Why would you go to El Salvador? Well, because it is a field optimization experience. I'm going down there for health. So when we are grounded in an appropriately magnetically pinned environment with light inputs and we can optimize all of these signals, it is unbelievable what biology can do. It's unbelievable how we can heal. So to your point, is I needed the right signal in my knee with the circulating stem cells to then be able to go do their job. It is a complete and utter repair mechanism throughout the entire thing. So like that's kind of another layer to my whole point. Like we are sick because when Tesla lit up the power grid, we have completely you have the Carrington event and then Tesla lights up the power grid. And all of the things that have happened subsequently are a environmental impact on biology. So this is why we see the diseases escalating and they're now known as Diseases of modernization, right? Diseases of civilization. It is an artifact, a response of our environment.
Christian Drapeau: Would you say that what you're describing between races being sort of a field dominance or field impact, whatever ⁓ nomenclature you use, that you would see the same thing, let's say, but because you cannot do these studies in humans. You could not take, you know, you cannot do this in humans. but could you say that it's the same thing between, let's say, a German shepherd and a Chihuahua?
Logan: Similar, I think one of the best ways that we can actually look at it is through like Alan Turing, ⁓ Claude Shannon's work. We have a different series that's playing out, and then you can see it in a pattern. So, like the pattern of a giraffe, you can see it here too. And so you have different mitochondrial haplotypes that have a an impact. So if we are more magnetically pinned, we will have an uncoupled haplotype. This is going to be, say, European. This is we're gonna have a ⁓ coupled haplotype when we're more electrically or photonically pinned. This is gonna be equatorial. And this this degree of separation based on signal and slight input is why we see different adaptations, I believe, whole hard.
Christian Drapeau: Could you my point with this is could you record in one way or another this electromagnetic emission and then force a biological entity, an embryo of any kind, and make it develop into something that is more in line with the energetic imprint that you put on it?
Logan: Absolutely. ⁓ my Michael Levin's done it. Yeah, Michael Levin has proved that. Yeah, he he's done it. He has turned a different species based on the electromagnetic input for that. ⁓ it's a sea elegant. A different species. It was I mean it's sea elegant, right? It's a worm. It was from one, you know, subspecies to another, not genetically different, a different input. It's Mike Levin ⁓ species.
Christian Drapeau: I mean I it would be some it would be something to do if to to prove or disprove. And what what did he do? What species?
Logan: change ⁓ C. Elgin. Like the study's there. He's published it. So to your point, it this study has been done.
Christian Drapeau: Mm-hmm. Yeah, interesting. I mean, there's a lot of lot of things have been done like this. ⁓ gee, I was not prepared to talk about all of this, but there's a French man that did studies of that nature, essentially recording the electromagnetic imprint of something ⁓ and and imprinting it in digitally and be able to send digitally through email to send that imprint.
Logan: It's fascinating. Yeah it was Luke Martin.
Christian Drapeau: And use it later on in the lab and and really impact ⁓ have an impact biologically. There's the work of Yuri Crohn, who was what he did with passed a few years ago. ⁓ he was a friend of mine, and and ⁓ the work that he does was fascinating. He would he would basically record the electromagnetic imprint of any molecules which was essentially coming from not the electrons and the neutrons, but essentially the void. That is present, which is not the void. We know today in quantum physics, it's not the void. So whatever is there actually carries more the identity of the molecule than what in biochemistry we consider as, you know, just the molecules. And you recorded that imprint, let's say, on iron as an example. Put that into water, give that water to people who are anemic, and it reverses their anemia. They add an iron deficiency. And so the only thing that was provided, no additional iron. Just the imprint of iron. So so there and he has done a lot of a lot of people have done that work. So there's no no question that there is a an electromagnetic nature to ⁓ our biological life that goes far beyond what the biochemistry understanding or paradigm of life, you know, allows or wants to accept. No question.
Logan: Absolutely. I it's frequency. That's that input that's there. But to your point, and let me just kind of reiterate the reason that I have such a problem with the chemistry model and what it's omitting is that there is no physics understanding. And even within so like any study that we see, let me give you this example first. If we do not have light controls, we do not have any sort of a result that is accurate. Okay, so if we're studying a nocturnal mammal under blue light, That is a problem, right? So if we don't have light controls, if we if we can agree that circadian timing ⁓ matters, that hormone productions are tied to different cycles, that all of the things are actually predicated on light inputs, then maybe the light controls matter a lot and every study that we have is flawed. So there's that. The other thing with is a unbelievable omission is when we s take a step from like colloidial ⁓ physics ⁓ into the the relay of what you were talking about was you was an aqueous medium that was storing information. Luke Montignet is one that published ⁓ the papers of of DNA, actually transmitting DNA from completely different places. We do not have any work within dissolved gases or what Nikolai Bunkin and Dr. Barry Ninham have laid out with what's called the Bubston. This is that receiver inside of the aqueous medium that is in control of so much of these processes that are happening that we pay no attention to. And so if if if we are omitting one of the most important things such as the glycocalyx in all of this, the nitric oxide, the gas work, the dissolved gases, the bubston, like most people don't even know what a bubston is. It's been published there from Bunkin in Moscow for decades. So when when you bring this back in together, then we get a much clearer picture. And that is just not our reality. is we're not we're working on a broken foundation, Christian. And with I believe that you've you've figured out a great way of bridging the broken uhness of the environment we live in, but we're not going to absolutely accomplish anything in the psychosis of stem cells and peptides and these other inputs because we're not addressing the fundamentals.
Christian Drapeau: I mean, right now, all I could say, acknowledging that electromagnetic frequencies have a role to play, no question, right now in the studies that we have done, that we have done, that hundreds of scientific team teams have done throughout the world, ⁓ which is that regardless of electromagnetic exposure, meaning it's not an element that was controlled in any of the studies. So If something has an impact, ⁓ how could I say? Ignoring that component, we can tell that more stem cells in circulation equals equals better repair, equals delaying the onset of age-related disease. It has a very quantifiable impact. ⁓ I would t I would venture to say the most fundamental. What I mean by this is that. Take tons of antioxidant, take tons of anti-inflammatory compounds, do electromagnet PMF all day long. Nobody has ever done that. So we cannot, so that's an extrapolation. But my point is that there's nothing that I have seen having such a drastic impact in one's life as putting back, reactivating your repair system at an age where it has declined. Below a certain threshold. Let's say past forty five, fifty years of age, start putting more stem cells in circulation, just doing that, regardless of anything else, and the impact is pretty remarkable. We have studies that are actually hard to believe when you look at the results. but adding to this electromagnetic frequencies, there's no question that there's a role to play in there as well.
Logan: No, I think ⁓ I really think if if you regurgitate what we just did, like there there are some nuggets in here and it's it's optical. Like you you are putting in an optical signal where you whether there you you have you know realized that or not, that is bridging the decoherence of the system. Like I'm I'm actually more supportive of your supplements than about anything, and I am relentless. Because I think they're causing problems. I think 99% of the supplements out there are garbage and they're hurting people. And what you're what I think is happening there, and this is where we have to continue getting into more of the physics, Christian, it's cis, right? Chirality induced spin state. If you don't understand how, and this is what I meant earlier when I brought up ⁓ Pastor on chirality, the way optics work. and spin states and bringing in deuterium versus hydrogen is more to do than a ketogenic diet and taking magnesium, right? Like that is that is not the fundamental problem that we're solving. And so understanding the emission absorption spectrum of anything that we take and how it affects chirality, in my opinion, is one of the most important things we can understand if we're going to discuss a supplement. And I think natural botanicals is one of the safest ways I'm not screwed, man.
Christian Drapeau: I mean, if you if you if you just rely on nature, I mean the the science has been relatively I mean it's relatively well known. ⁓ you take a cheap supplement, you can phase that. But there there are plenty of supplements that really take into consideration cularity churality and spins and and will provide you with supplements that are usable by the body. Anything that comes from nature obviously has the right churality. ⁓ I mean it it is definitely relevant, but I think generally speaking Good companies in the industry have have taken that into con into consideration.
Logan: Yeah. I maybe. I hope, right? Like we we hope that we have some altruistic aspects, but I'd I think that most of the ⁓ complaints about allopathic medicine and pharmacy can be directly said about functional and supplement companies. I I really do. I think that if we're gonna hammer for the same thing, if we don't understand the fundamental aspect of what we just laid out for here, ⁓ forty minutes of discussing, ⁓ it's a big problem. And so the stem cells huge. I think what you've done is great. I will I will not tell anybody not to use stem region ⁓ at at this point at all. ⁓ but as far as what what you said what with the natural, this where we gotta be we gotta be careful too, is like when you start inputting synthetic anything, you change chirality. Like that that's just what happens. So when if it
Christian Drapeau: Well not not all molecules have a coral ⁓ have chorality, but but yeah, synthetic one of its biggest drawback is that. Yeah.
Logan: I mean this is the this was the problem with thalidomide. Like this this is this was a huge deal. This was the birth defects that goes back to what we were talking about with Levin and embryology. Is like when you change the optics within a system from a light right to a left handed molecule, it's a big deal. Right? Like a huge deal. And this is why we saw birth defects when thalidomide was given at a certain process within the the embryologic development. So my point is You you have figured out a way that it s appears and you have have the proof that we can raise elevated ⁓ stem cells in the blood. I'm not gonna argue that at all. The other side of it that I think that we have to be ⁓ cognizant so it's not disingenuous, is what you laid out specifically with some sort of electromagnetic ⁓ thing that allowed the stem cells to go to the right place, right? So To me, it's not one or the other. It's always signal and receiver. And if we don't match those up with coherence, we're going to get an aberrant or a a non existent effect. So I'm definitely not attacking your supplement company at all. I'm just saying we need to make sure that when we are trying to help somebody, that we're giving them the truth and we're not half truthing to sell something. And I'm not saying y'all y'all have done anything like that. This is more of a a blanket statement across
Christian Drapeau: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean, one of the biggest synergy that I that I use that I promote but I use is PMF. So you take you take stem regen, you release your own stem cells, and then pretty much every day I will do some form of PMF. Either a mat or just like the the big machine just applied, whatever, my neck, lower back, ⁓ whatever.
Logan: All medicine. I think you can do the same thing, you just go stand on a volcano. Alright, just get grounded, stand on the volcanoes and get the right log walk from Ontario. All right. I I love it. ⁓ what
Christian Drapeau: Yeah, but yeah, but it's a long walk. It's a long walk from here right now.
Logan: There's so much. I it is I've I feel like we sincerely are on the frontier and there's gonna be some breakthroughs that are gonna blow everybody out of the water, ⁓ very soon.
Christian Drapeau: Looking forward to it.
Logan: All right my friend, do you want to ⁓ wrap up with with anything, any wise words, the best thing that's helped you over the years? What's what's coming up next for for your work? What you got?
Christian Drapeau: I mean, right now what's coming next, so I'm working on a book essentially because because what I'm talking about is extremely solid, but it's like scattered in the scientific literature. It has not been brought together. And if you bring all of that together, ⁓ putting aside electromagnetic waves and or or imprints, ⁓ in terms of pure stem cell research, clearly stem cells are the repair system of the body. The number of stem cells in circulation basically dictates The body's ability to repair, that capacity to repair declines as we age. ⁓ and that decline in our ability to repair turns out to be one of the most fundamental causes of aging and disease formation. And when we really integrate all of this into our general understanding of human health, I think that it's going to change our understanding of wellness, health, aging, disease formation, longevity. And it should change even the way that we practice medicine. Just like electromagnetic frequencies should also change the way that we practice medicine. Like what I'm saying is not only to to stem cells, but when we understand them, really the role of stem cells in the body, it changes everything. How could you do anything with health if you have a health problem without starting by boosting your body's own ability to repair? It's like when you have an infection. Where do you start? Boost your immune system. If it doesn't work, then you can do other things. But you start by supporting your immune system. Start by supporting your repair system. So so anyway, so that's the work of that that book that I'm working on.
Logan: When's it coming out?
Christian Drapeau: Probably about in a year from now, I guess. Given the whole publishing cycle and all of that. Yeah, give it about a year.
Logan: All the fun stuff. All right, my friend. ⁓ Stimmer Jen, great ⁓ great work. You put out a lot of stuff. There's a lot of conversations. People can go back and listen. They want to get into the nitty gritty of of your products and and the great stuff. Like I I do ⁓ sincerely think that you are doing things the best ⁓ that you possibly can. And I I have a lot of respect for you, especially your experience, the work you put in and ⁓ you know it takes a it takes a lot to bring a product to market that you believe in and you're you're doing it for not to just make money. ⁓ and so it's it's it's amendable. So thank you.
Christian Drapeau: Thank you.
Christian Drapeau: Okay.
Logan: You are one of the world experts on stem cells. You've been doing this a long time, a very important conversation. So what I would like to do in before we get into it, I'm I'm I'm super excited about this conversation is do do the whole introduction thing. Let's talk a little bit about the super basics of what a stem cell even is and ⁓ we're gonna we're gonna dive in.
Christian Drapeau: Okay. ⁓ I think the easiest way to understand what a stem cell is, is to look at all the other cells in the body that are not stem cells. So you take a cell of your muscle, of your skin, of your bones, like they're called somatic cells, meaning they are specialized, they do one specific thing, they will never transform, and they never they will never do something else. ⁓ and and to a large extent, they will also never proliferate, like expand. So at the other end of the spectrum you have a stem cell, which is a blank cell that is nothing by itself as a stem cell. I mean it's not entirely true, but but let's say they're a blank cell and they're real. Mission in life is that at some point in time they will transform into something else, ⁓ which could be bone, muscle, ⁓ skin, what we talked about, and they will be a supply of sort of raw cells to repair the entire body. Traditionally, they're known to be precursors to blood cells. This was discovered in the early 1960s, and at the time, the thought was that. They can become blood cells, but they're limited to just blood cells. And what really ⁓ constitutes like this rebirth in the whole world of stem cell research is the discovery that not only can they become blood cells, but actually they can become pretty much everything in the body. Not only they can, but they actually do this every day. It is the body's repair system. That's essentially what stem cells are.
Logan: So the importance of stem cells as far as regeneration and remodeling and having an optimized body ⁓ is is of the paramount importance. But what I have found is that we take these aspects, have truths, market it, and do some crazy stuff like what's going on in the world of peptides and stem cell replacement therapies, right? And it completely omits the cascade that's a s that is supposed to happen. So What I mean by that is I want us to go back a little bit, you brought up the 60s, let's go back there, with the work of Dr. Robert O'Becker. So, what Becker has proven is that it's an electromagnetic aspect. And so, like he even laid out the pluripotential stem cells coming from red blood cells, right? It was a reversion, which is fascinating. So the electromagnetic component on regeneration is vitally important, right? And this is where I was before, I don't know if it was before we were recording or not, the physics piece is fundamental. And you're able to take what you have done and help me hopefully bridge some of these aspects. So what about the release of stem cells and in an electromagnetic capability are are we missing when we try to inject stem cells and do some of this other crazy stuff?
Christian Drapeau: I mean, it's a question that has many, many layers. ⁓ let me let me try to go in various directions. Number one, you brought something that is fascinating in the sense that there's data, I don't know when it was done, but it was like a long time ago, ⁓ at least 30, 40 years, if not more, ⁓ when some scientists took r cut the paw. of a of a of a rat. We know that the salamander will regenerate their limbs naturally. So when you put an electrode in the wound where you've cut that paw, ⁓ you can record a certain potential, electrical potential. When you do this in a mem in a mammalian like a mouse for example, you get the reversal of the potential. So they were able to kind of reverse that potential to make it similar to what you find in a salamander and make that paw regrow. So so there is a there's a clear impact or relationship between electrical charges, polarization, and regeneration. We know that regeneration is driven by stem cells. ⁓ there's nothing else in your body that can regenerate tissues. It's stem cells. So that means there has to be like a really clear connection between polarization, electricity charges, and the role of stem cells, or at least their attraction to a specific area. We know today that pulse electromagnetic frequency that has been used for a long time to help repair joints for muscle injuries, bone fractures, everything pertaining to joints. and ⁓ it's been used for decades without a clear understanding of how it was working. Of course, the general understanding or explanation would be ⁓ you impart charges to cells so you help recharge membrane potential, you help recharge mitochondria. This sort of like directly this is where the mind would go. ⁓ and I'm sure it it does that to an extent, no, no question. But what we have found over the past five, 10 years is that if you look at the effect on stem cells, wherever you apply these electrical charges, you pool stem cells, you boost their ability to migrate in the tissue, you boost their ability to proliferate. And you also, if you take stem cells just in the test tube and you apply PMF to these stem cells, they will transform into muscle cells, tendon, ligaments, bones. ⁓ so so it looks like PMF, which is electrical charges, essentially magnetic charges, pretty much do most of their work through their impact on stem cells. So I'm putting all of this together and basically kind of going into along with what you said, which is there is a real link here between electrical charge. magnetic frequencies and our ability to repair. Now there was an another part to your question, which was ⁓ the the release of stem cells. So from the angle of releasing of stem cells, the I think the biggest conclusion that we can draw, it's a it's a big conclusion, but it comes from, I mean, hundreds, if not thousands of studies. There's a direct link between how many stem cells you have in your blood circulation. And the body's ability to repair. Now, electricity can change that, but if you just look at it at it very generally, you put more stem cells in circulation, you've boosted the ability of the body to repair. ⁓ and and repair in a very general sense, meaning sometimes stem cells may not go and actually do the repair, but they're going to regenerate blood vessels. They will recreate an environment that is much more, that brings much more capacity. For endogenous repair without necessarily stem cells doing the home repair on their own. So, what I mean by repair here is just like the overall capacity of the body to regenerate depends on stem cells themselves and what stem cells stimulate in the body.
Logan: Okay. Love it. ⁓ so you laid out ⁓ perfectly with the electrical charge. This is what I call field governance, that it brought the stem cells to the location of damage for regeneration, which is exactly what Becker proved, right? And he even like regenerated the end of a finger on like an eleven year old human, right? Like so like there there Yeah, so this is it's extremely important. So the the next thing that you you brought up was the
Christian Drapeau: W we we did the same.
Logan: the the movement of being able to have like elevated stem cells in blood. Well, we also have evidence in the literature, and this is I think where we're gonna be able to bridge this, that we can have elevated stem cells without regeneration. Like we're still not receiving it. So what I try to do is look at everything through this physics lens of signals and receivers. Okay. So we can have the receiver that a stem cell is, it is a receiver, and then it is drawn to whatever the signal is, the filth, like the el electromagnetic, and then
Christian Drapeau: Mm-hmm.
Logan: pulsed electromagnetic, which is what PMF is. And then it gets activated based on a certain field governance phenomena or whatever that input is. This is where I got really excited and wanted to talk to you. And I don't know if it was you or somebody on the team. When I was reading the description of mobilize, you specifically have in there that it is a impact on the endothelial glycocalyx, the ESL. This is one of the most
Christian Drapeau: Mm-hmm.
Logan: profound things. This is what that one statement is what got me so excited about talking to you. So why that is so important, I want you to go back a little bit on the what releases stem cells because we know that it's nitric oxide. Like we know nitric oxide is fundamental to allowing if a stem cell depot is released or not, right? And that that's that's one more layer that and I want you to take over on on the nitric oxide. But we know that we have stem cells created in the bone bone marrow. We know that they're packaged and they're stored in thymus, ⁓ liver, adipose tissue, and then that current, right, whatever the signal is, is going to draw towards the repair, but we have to have operating glycocalyx for it to get through and be in the appropriate place in the appropriate field. How do we rationalize this entire process? And if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me, say I'm wrong, or you disagree on anything.
Christian Drapeau: Mm-hmm.
Logan: How how do we rationalize this entire cascade? Because what I just said is if you've actually read this is for the listeners, if read and dove down into the literature, we know nothing happens with nitric oxide without a UV, a solar input first. So how do we square all this away?
Christian Drapeau: Okay. Again, there's a lot a lot of layers in the question. ⁓ the the the the the main reservoir of stem cells is your bone marrow. So we find them. So go back twenty, twenty-five years ago, and it was the big question is like where can we find like these precious cells in the body? Fast forward twenty-five years later, they are everywhere. You walk on the street and you spit on the sidewalk, and there are probably stem cells in that spit. they are everywhere. So to say, you know, they're also like in the liver, in the thymus, and in the in in fat tissue, they are everywhere. So stem, every single tissue has its own stem cells. So the bigger question here is: where is which one is the reservoir that kind of feeds the rest of these stem cells? And that reservoir is the bone marrow. So it is where stem cells basically reside before they move into a tissue and become what is referred to as tissue resident stem cells. So cardiac stem cells. And we've known two types of these stem cells historically, meaning that we have seen that there are tissues that contain a population of cells that is self-duplicating and participate in the repair of that tissue. And we had seen this before in the muscles, we call them satellite cells. And we saw this in the liver, we call them oval cells. Now we realize it's everywhere. And now we're just calling them brain stem cells, pancreatic stem cells, ⁓ endotheal ⁓ epidermal stem cells for the skin. We should have called them hepathic stem cells and muscle stem cells. So so it puts everything back in the context, they are everywhere in the body. ⁓ so so that was one part of your question. Okay. The the the the the glycocalyx and the the nitric oxide nitric oxide I mean I may have to dive back in the literature to to look at it but but what I what I remember of the literature the the the the readings that I did of the of the literature on nitric oxide is that it's very much of a mechanic mechanistic mechanism of action. What I mean by this, if you increase blood flow in in small capillaries, you increase entrainment. And there is a population of stem cells on the bone marrow that is that could that is really just a a matter of ⁓ it's it's how could I say it's the it's the sum or the comp the the composition of the ability to adhere and cling to the bone marrow environment and how much they're entrained through the blood flow. So if you increase blood circulation, you are going to entrain the number of stem cells. But I don't think that nitric oxide is necessary for stem cell release. Like, for example, you will have some neurotransmitters. If you block norepinephrine in the body and then you use compounds that are known to trigger stem cell release from the bone marrow, you don't get stem cell mobilization. There's a message from the brain, or at least from the nervous system, that that is essential for the release, which I find fascinating because we know how the brain can affect healing. So, any case, so that connection is there. The reason why we brought mobilize is to understand that. When we release stem cells, let me take one step back. One thing that stem cell research has revealed, which I think is the most profound element that was discovered that is linked to stem cell research, although it's still like untalked about in medical science. And it's the fact that we experience aging as sort of a like erosion, like an old fence in your backyard, like every year. Under the sun, rain, winds, and everything, like it's a little bit more decrepit. And what we realize is that it's not the case. The body is constantly in a process of tissue turnover. We lose cells every day since the day you're born, and you replace them. That's the role of stem cells. So it's a very dynamic system. It looks like you have a small erosion, but it's simply because the balance between these two processes is a little bit. Over degeneration than repair. When you're young, it's the other way around. About like early 40s, late 30s, you lose that balance. You pass this threshold. And now you start to realize I don't repair as well as I used to. I don't recover as well as as we used to. So you lose that balance, but that process continues. It's a constant process of tissue turnover. ⁓ if you think of Yiroshima, if you kill all your stem cells. You don't live more than two, three months. ⁓ if if that. So my point with all of this is to say that if you have a chronic condition for two, three years and it's not repairing, it does it's not because you're not releasing stem cells, because you're still alive. Your liver is fine, your pancreas is fine, your skin is fine, so you are releasing stem cells. They do their job in their body. Why aren't they reaching the place where you need repair? And it's simply because either the signaling does not reach stem cells or they cannot reach that area. So it brings two elements. So we have a product that suppresses systemic inflammation because it's background noise, it's noise, because the same signal that you talked about before that stem cells are receptors, they are. So they receive a signal which is inflammation, which is essentially that the only reason for inflammation has a lot of bad effects, but but the reason for inflammation. Is to call stem cells to that area because there's an injury that needs to repair. Now, if it does not repair, that signal keeps going, it becomes systemic, it becomes background noise. So you release the stem cells, it's looking where it needs to go, but it's getting a signal everywhere around it. So it does not, it's unable to find where the problem is. So you need to suppress that systemic inflammation. And then you need to reopen the microvasculature to allow these relatively big stem cells. To be able to go in all the fine vasculature that now are in need of repair. So if you have a chronic condition somewhere, that chronic nature of the problem has affected the microcirculation. That area of your body is missing a lot of things, is affected by inflammation, is not receiving nutrients, oxygen, like everything. So it it goes down over time. So mobilize was built with four technologies all together: one, nitrokinase to increase blood fluidity, nitokinase. Alone at doses higher than what you have immobilized, but alone nato kinase have been shown to reverse arterial disease. ⁓ so it it can lead through a lot of benefits on the cardiovascular system. We have nitric oxide producer to increase the blood flow into blood vessels. We have a series of bioflavonoids and plant extract documented to help rebuild the environment of capillaries. Capillaries are passive, so they need to be flexible to really do their job. And then we have those famous polysaccharides to rebuild the glycocalyx because the glycocalyx is essential for stem cells to be able to engage in the process that will allow them to migrate in the tissue. If you don't have a healthy glycocalyx, you could have stem cells in your bloodstream, and they may just pass and not be able to migrate in that area to go and do the healing. So that's what mobilizes is to bring these four aspects of microcirculation. to really make sure that every place in your body have access to this power of repair.
Logan: That's that's what I was saying with the elevated stem cell blood count, we can still not have the repair. And I think that you laid that out with the the glycocalyx it precisely. And so
Christian Drapeau: Totally. But it's beyond, but it's beyond, Logan, it's beyond glycocalyx in the sense that in the early 2000s, we were probably 2003, I would think. ⁓ so after the first discovery that we did of a plant that was triggering stem cell release, the idea was already in my mind that there has to be a link between the number of stem cells in circulation and the development of age-related diseases. So we had access to about ⁓ what 200 patients with Alzheimer's. So we went and we quantified the number of stem cells in these people and and the idea was to correlate that with the degree of development of the problem. And we saw the reverse. And it's it's interesting because other groups have published that kind of we never published it. Other groups have published the same observation. There are Alzheimer's patients with very advanced Alzheimer's have a lot of stem cells in circulation. But what we found is that It's also coupled with a very high level of systemic inflammation. And these stem cells have lost the capacity to respond to the to the repair signal coming from the injured tissue. So they're there. They are in the bloodstream. They are unable to find where they need to go, and they're unable to leave the blood to go and do the repair. So they can be just there and be and be captured and locked if you want in the bloodstream.
Logan: Exactly, right? Like, and this is where I think that we we got to go circle back. The nitric oxide is fundamental for the optimization of stem cells. Like, there's nothing I'm more sure of in this world. I also know the photonic aspect is vitally important. So let me lay out two different things. We have the exogenous, we have the solar UV light that is paramount. So nitric oxide is.
Christian Drapeau: It is.
Logan: I think all the nitric oxide literature is a half-truth at best. Okay. I I don't think that we have the full picture because it is an atmospheric presence. Wheeler published this with the arginine paradox. This is Richard Wheeler, Edinburgh, that he laid out nitric oxide vasodilation and then the lower the blood pressure through UV exposure. This is where the arginine paradox came in. There was no dietary input at all, right? This is exogenous in there. What's happening is the atmospheric nitrogen in the blood is reacting at the glycocalyx with the UV as the input that then creates nitric oxide. That that's what's happening. And this is why it's a vasodilator. Now, the flip side of that is the endogenous. We can get through this is Roland Van Wick, this is Fritz Popp, this is a lot of the ultra-weak biophoton work, that we have these emissions from the mitochondria through metabolic metabolism, right? Like this is just where where different light spectra come up. Now what are we hitting? It everything has a signal and receiver every time. So these are signals because the mitochondria do a lot more than produce ATP, right? Like it is ⁓ they create CO2. This is a very important gas that goes in through the carbonic acid, carbon dioxide, bicarbonate axis. There's a lot that's going on there. It produces deuterium depleted water at comp at CCO, this complex four. So a lot of things are going on with the signal generation. This is the exogenous. This is my theory on why a so many of the plant compounds that you're seeing have the efficacy. They are what I have coined the phytophotonic, so phytoplant light. It is a chromophore. You're essentially been able to put in a optical absorption and emission condenser within the system that reestablishes everything that you're just laid in. And this is where we can see it historically. The other thing in it in in when you start looking at the emission and absorption spectra of aromatic amino acids or a lot of these botanicals, it's almost always in the UV range. It goes back to what I just said about the nitric oxide, the glycocalyx. So you have the internal light, this is ultra-weak biophotons, you have the external light, that's the sun. We have destroyed everything about the signals and receivers in biology. We cannot properly regulate deuterium, iron, oxygen, nothing. We don't understand the full fundamental capabilities. We think lacinoprille and beet juice somehow is going to cure the the fact that we live in an artificial environment. So my point of going through that tirade, I think the botanicals are massive bridger for a catastrophe that we have created in our life. But I think that it's working through optics. It's working through physics more than the chemistry.
Christian Drapeau: There's no doubt that light has an effect. There's no doubt that there are many cells that have chromophores. There's no doubt that light reaches inside the body and has an impact. But I'm not aware that production of nitric oxide depends on light emissions and many other things that are happening in the body. but but but it's not my expertise. So I I could not go on and and really ⁓ speak at length on and I have colleagues that can, ⁓ but on on the impact of ⁓ you know, photons inside the body or wavelengths we should say. 'Cause it's more f it's what it's more wavelength than photon.
Logan: And that's why this work is so important that we bridge it and we're able to take the chemistry mindset that we have in medicine and we bridge it over into the biophysics. This is where you talked about regeneration and why the fact that most ⁓ clinicians have no idea who Michael Levin even is, right? Like he has created the a another head on a C elegant based on a magnetic field. The same field that we're talking about that attracts stem cells to a damaged part of the body to repair it, he has proven that it is in embryology as well. Right? Like so when when we don't, when we when we as people that are trying to learn and help others, because I sincerely think that's exactly what you're trying to do too, and we don't know who Robert O'Becker is, we don't know who Gilbert Ling is, we don't know who May Wynn Ho is, we don't know who Fritz Popp or Roland Van Wick or the real work that Pastor or Albert St. Georgie had.
Christian Drapeau: Mm-hmm.
Logan: We don't have this groundwork, this framework to even understand to have discernment. And that's why I think that we have a catastrophe in health. I I think it is a omission of the truth based on ⁓ a system, a centralized system that is profiting from us being sick.
Christian Drapeau: I cannot comment a lot. I mean I mean there's no doubt that Electricity, I'm taking a very, very general term here. Electromagnetic frequencies, all of these. There's no question that there's plenty of evidence to show that. experimentally, but also ⁓ therapeutically. I mean, just talking about ⁓ what is the the name of that device? ⁓ Forgot the name, ⁓ but device that came from Germany quite some time ago. And ⁓ and they all work on emissions, electromagnetic emissions, and they are phenomenal and they're not included in mainstream medicine. I mean, I remember some years ago ⁓ I was in Bangkok in a lecture, and ⁓ somebody had one of these devices, and they were really like they wanted me to try their device. So at some point I had like 15 minutes. So I said, okay. So I sat in front of that device. I mean, all I had is I was touching some some electrodes. And within probably five, 10 minutes, it diagnosed some pain that I had in my knee, which is true. I had pain in my knee. And ⁓ but it was nobody would could see it. I could not rotate my knee. So anytime I would speak in front of a room as a speaker and I would turn, I would have to lift my leg and just like turn it at the hip because my knee could not take that rotation. And ⁓ and so he says, I said, Well, you it's nice to diagnose it. Can you treat it? He says, Yeah, we can treat it. He said, It will take twenty minutes, I had five minutes. So he did this treatment. I mean, this is all electromagnetic. Nothing touched me other than these two electrodes. I got up, I went to give the lecture, and as I'm giving the lecture, I realized that I can twist my knee and there's absolutely no pain whatsoever. And this is probably 15 years ago. So so I I mean I I've I've just seen enough along with what is in the literature to know that there's definitely there's a vast world in there and it has been crushed by by the pharmaceutical complex, you know, for lack of a better term. ⁓ it's like pass it's like, well, we're right now in the whole world of ⁓ what was it, ⁓ Darwin and Lamarck, you know, where Lamarck says you have acquired traits, Darwin says no, it's all passed down through generations. And now with epigenetics, we're realizing that Lamarck was not that that wrong. And so, in the same way, there was a whole science, a one or two centuries ago, that was using all of these electromagnetic devices with a lot of success. And it was crushed by by one industry that wanted to have the monopoly, and it was the biochemical industry, just like the antibiotic worlds crushed, you know, the the the ⁓ Homeopathy world with Pastor, just like like Darwin's world crush Lamarck. I mean, there's a lot of ex lots of examples like this in history ⁓ to show that the dominant world is not necessarily the the most, I wouldn't say the best or the most relevant. It's not the whole. There are other things aside that in some cases can be extremely effective. No question.
Logan: I I love that, I agree. What I have really come to term when you you you bring up kind of evolution, adaptation, creation, like when when we look at that, the framework that I use is field governance. So this is why I say Australia has a different field governance. And by field governance I mean the collection of signals. That's light, water, magnetism, resonance, temperature, and time. When those signals have a different biological effect on whatever receiver they're impacting. This is why an aborigine looks different than an Eskimo looks different than an Asian, right? Like we have or a Viking or a whatever, like you name it. Everybody has a different mitochondrial haplotype that has been expressed through the field governance of whatever that was. That's why there's different kinds of plants. That's why we have, you know, C three, C4, CAM photosynthesis. It is the field governance. So to your point, discussing the whole electromagnetic optimization with whatever that machine is, it's still Before we got on here, I told you going back down to El Salvador, and you're why? Why would you go to El Salvador? Well, because it is a field optimization experience. I'm going down there for health. So when we are grounded in an appropriately magnetically pinned environment with light inputs and we can optimize all of these signals, it is unbelievable what biology can do. It's unbelievable how we can heal. So to your point, is I needed the right signal in my knee with the circulating stem cells to then be able to go do their job. It is a complete and utter repair mechanism throughout the entire thing. So like that's kind of another layer to my whole point. Like we are sick because when Tesla lit up the power grid, we have completely you have the Carrington event and then Tesla lights up the power grid. And all of the things that have happened subsequently are a environmental impact on biology. So this is why we see the diseases escalating and they're now known as Diseases of modernization, right? Diseases of civilization. It is an artifact, a response of our environment.
Christian Drapeau: Would you say that what you're describing between races being sort of a field dominance or field impact, whatever ⁓ nomenclature you use, that you would see the same thing, let's say, but because you cannot do these studies in humans. You could not take, you know, you cannot do this in humans. but could you say that it's the same thing between, let's say, a German shepherd and a Chihuahua?
Logan: Similar, I think one of the best ways that we can actually look at it is through like Alan Turing, ⁓ Claude Shannon's work. We have a different series that's playing out, and then you can see it in a pattern. So, like the pattern of a giraffe, you can see it here too. And so you have different mitochondrial haplotypes that have a an impact. So if we are more magnetically pinned, we will have an uncoupled haplotype. This is going to be, say, European. This is we're gonna have a ⁓ coupled haplotype when we're more electrically or photonically pinned. This is gonna be equatorial. And this this degree of separation based on signal and slight input is why we see different adaptations, I believe, whole hard.
Christian Drapeau: Could you my point with this is could you record in one way or another this electromagnetic emission and then force a biological entity, an embryo of any kind, and make it develop into something that is more in line with the energetic imprint that you put on it?
Logan: Absolutely. ⁓ my Michael Levin's done it. Yeah, Michael Levin has proved that. Yeah, he he's done it. He has turned a different species based on the electromagnetic input for that. ⁓ it's a sea elegant. A different species. It was I mean it's sea elegant, right? It's a worm. It was from one, you know, subspecies to another, not genetically different, a different input. It's Mike Levin ⁓ species.
Christian Drapeau: I mean I it would be some it would be something to do if to to prove or disprove. And what what did he do? What species?
Logan: change ⁓ C. Elgin. Like the study's there. He's published it. So to your point, it this study has been done.
Christian Drapeau: Mm-hmm. Yeah, interesting. I mean, there's a lot of lot of things have been done like this. ⁓ gee, I was not prepared to talk about all of this, but there's a French man that did studies of that nature, essentially recording the electromagnetic imprint of something ⁓ and and imprinting it in digitally and be able to send digitally through email to send that imprint.
Logan: It's fascinating. Yeah it was Luke Martin.
Christian Drapeau: And use it later on in the lab and and really impact ⁓ have an impact biologically. There's the work of Yuri Crohn, who was what he did with passed a few years ago. ⁓ he was a friend of mine, and and ⁓ the work that he does was fascinating. He would he would basically record the electromagnetic imprint of any molecules which was essentially coming from not the electrons and the neutrons, but essentially the void. That is present, which is not the void. We know today in quantum physics, it's not the void. So whatever is there actually carries more the identity of the molecule than what in biochemistry we consider as, you know, just the molecules. And you recorded that imprint, let's say, on iron as an example. Put that into water, give that water to people who are anemic, and it reverses their anemia. They add an iron deficiency. And so the only thing that was provided, no additional iron. Just the imprint of iron. So so there and he has done a lot of a lot of people have done that work. So there's no no question that there is a an electromagnetic nature to ⁓ our biological life that goes far beyond what the biochemistry understanding or paradigm of life, you know, allows or wants to accept. No question.
Logan: Absolutely. I it's frequency. That's that input that's there. But to your point, and let me just kind of reiterate the reason that I have such a problem with the chemistry model and what it's omitting is that there is no physics understanding. And even within so like any study that we see, let me give you this example first. If we do not have light controls, we do not have any sort of a result that is accurate. Okay, so if we're studying a nocturnal mammal under blue light, That is a problem, right? So if we don't have light controls, if we if we can agree that circadian timing ⁓ matters, that hormone productions are tied to different cycles, that all of the things are actually predicated on light inputs, then maybe the light controls matter a lot and every study that we have is flawed. So there's that. The other thing with is a unbelievable omission is when we s take a step from like colloidial ⁓ physics ⁓ into the the relay of what you were talking about was you was an aqueous medium that was storing information. Luke Montignet is one that published ⁓ the papers of of DNA, actually transmitting DNA from completely different places. We do not have any work within dissolved gases or what Nikolai Bunkin and Dr. Barry Ninham have laid out with what's called the Bubston. This is that receiver inside of the aqueous medium that is in control of so much of these processes that are happening that we pay no attention to. And so if if if we are omitting one of the most important things such as the glycocalyx in all of this, the nitric oxide, the gas work, the dissolved gases, the bubston, like most people don't even know what a bubston is. It's been published there from Bunkin in Moscow for decades. So when when you bring this back in together, then we get a much clearer picture. And that is just not our reality. is we're not we're working on a broken foundation, Christian. And with I believe that you've you've figured out a great way of bridging the broken uhness of the environment we live in, but we're not going to absolutely accomplish anything in the psychosis of stem cells and peptides and these other inputs because we're not addressing the fundamentals.
Christian Drapeau: I mean, right now, all I could say, acknowledging that electromagnetic frequencies have a role to play, no question, right now in the studies that we have done, that we have done, that hundreds of scientific team teams have done throughout the world, ⁓ which is that regardless of electromagnetic exposure, meaning it's not an element that was controlled in any of the studies. So If something has an impact, ⁓ how could I say? Ignoring that component, we can tell that more stem cells in circulation equals equals better repair, equals delaying the onset of age-related disease. It has a very quantifiable impact. ⁓ I would t I would venture to say the most fundamental. What I mean by this is that. Take tons of antioxidant, take tons of anti-inflammatory compounds, do electromagnet PMF all day long. Nobody has ever done that. So we cannot, so that's an extrapolation. But my point is that there's nothing that I have seen having such a drastic impact in one's life as putting back, reactivating your repair system at an age where it has declined. Below a certain threshold. Let's say past forty five, fifty years of age, start putting more stem cells in circulation, just doing that, regardless of anything else, and the impact is pretty remarkable. We have studies that are actually hard to believe when you look at the results. but adding to this electromagnetic frequencies, there's no question that there's a role to play in there as well.
Logan: No, I think ⁓ I really think if if you regurgitate what we just did, like there there are some nuggets in here and it's it's optical. Like you you are putting in an optical signal where you whether there you you have you know realized that or not, that is bridging the decoherence of the system. Like I'm I'm actually more supportive of your supplements than about anything, and I am relentless. Because I think they're causing problems. I think 99% of the supplements out there are garbage and they're hurting people. And what you're what I think is happening there, and this is where we have to continue getting into more of the physics, Christian, it's cis, right? Chirality induced spin state. If you don't understand how, and this is what I meant earlier when I brought up ⁓ Pastor on chirality, the way optics work. and spin states and bringing in deuterium versus hydrogen is more to do than a ketogenic diet and taking magnesium, right? Like that is that is not the fundamental problem that we're solving. And so understanding the emission absorption spectrum of anything that we take and how it affects chirality, in my opinion, is one of the most important things we can understand if we're going to discuss a supplement. And I think natural botanicals is one of the safest ways I'm not screwed, man.
Christian Drapeau: I mean, if you if you if you just rely on nature, I mean the the science has been relatively I mean it's relatively well known. ⁓ you take a cheap supplement, you can phase that. But there there are plenty of supplements that really take into consideration cularity churality and spins and and will provide you with supplements that are usable by the body. Anything that comes from nature obviously has the right churality. ⁓ I mean it it is definitely relevant, but I think generally speaking Good companies in the industry have have taken that into con into consideration.
Logan: Yeah. I maybe. I hope, right? Like we we hope that we have some altruistic aspects, but I'd I think that most of the ⁓ complaints about allopathic medicine and pharmacy can be directly said about functional and supplement companies. I I really do. I think that if we're gonna hammer for the same thing, if we don't understand the fundamental aspect of what we just laid out for here, ⁓ forty minutes of discussing, ⁓ it's a big problem. And so the stem cells huge. I think what you've done is great. I will I will not tell anybody not to use stem region ⁓ at at this point at all. ⁓ but as far as what what you said what with the natural, this where we gotta be we gotta be careful too, is like when you start inputting synthetic anything, you change chirality. Like that that's just what happens. So when if it
Christian Drapeau: Well not not all molecules have a coral ⁓ have chorality, but but yeah, synthetic one of its biggest drawback is that. Yeah.
Logan: I mean this is the this was the problem with thalidomide. Like this this is this was a huge deal. This was the birth defects that goes back to what we were talking about with Levin and embryology. Is like when you change the optics within a system from a light right to a left handed molecule, it's a big deal. Right? Like a huge deal. And this is why we saw birth defects when thalidomide was given at a certain process within the the embryologic development. So my point is You you have figured out a way that it s appears and you have have the proof that we can raise elevated ⁓ stem cells in the blood. I'm not gonna argue that at all. The other side of it that I think that we have to be ⁓ cognizant so it's not disingenuous, is what you laid out specifically with some sort of electromagnetic ⁓ thing that allowed the stem cells to go to the right place, right? So To me, it's not one or the other. It's always signal and receiver. And if we don't match those up with coherence, we're going to get an aberrant or a a non existent effect. So I'm definitely not attacking your supplement company at all. I'm just saying we need to make sure that when we are trying to help somebody, that we're giving them the truth and we're not half truthing to sell something. And I'm not saying y'all y'all have done anything like that. This is more of a a blanket statement across
Christian Drapeau: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean, one of the biggest synergy that I that I use that I promote but I use is PMF. So you take you take stem regen, you release your own stem cells, and then pretty much every day I will do some form of PMF. Either a mat or just like the the big machine just applied, whatever, my neck, lower back, ⁓ whatever.
Logan: All medicine. I think you can do the same thing, you just go stand on a volcano. Alright, just get grounded, stand on the volcanoes and get the right log walk from Ontario. All right. I I love it. ⁓ what
Christian Drapeau: Yeah, but yeah, but it's a long walk. It's a long walk from here right now.
Logan: There's so much. I it is I've I feel like we sincerely are on the frontier and there's gonna be some breakthroughs that are gonna blow everybody out of the water, ⁓ very soon.
Christian Drapeau: Looking forward to it.
Logan: All right my friend, do you want to ⁓ wrap up with with anything, any wise words, the best thing that's helped you over the years? What's what's coming up next for for your work? What you got?
Christian Drapeau: I mean, right now what's coming next, so I'm working on a book essentially because because what I'm talking about is extremely solid, but it's like scattered in the scientific literature. It has not been brought together. And if you bring all of that together, ⁓ putting aside electromagnetic waves and or or imprints, ⁓ in terms of pure stem cell research, clearly stem cells are the repair system of the body. The number of stem cells in circulation basically dictates The body's ability to repair, that capacity to repair declines as we age. ⁓ and that decline in our ability to repair turns out to be one of the most fundamental causes of aging and disease formation. And when we really integrate all of this into our general understanding of human health, I think that it's going to change our understanding of wellness, health, aging, disease formation, longevity. And it should change even the way that we practice medicine. Just like electromagnetic frequencies should also change the way that we practice medicine. Like what I'm saying is not only to to stem cells, but when we understand them, really the role of stem cells in the body, it changes everything. How could you do anything with health if you have a health problem without starting by boosting your body's own ability to repair? It's like when you have an infection. Where do you start? Boost your immune system. If it doesn't work, then you can do other things. But you start by supporting your immune system. Start by supporting your repair system. So so anyway, so that's the work of that that book that I'm working on.
Logan: When's it coming out?
Christian Drapeau: Probably about in a year from now, I guess. Given the whole publishing cycle and all of that. Yeah, give it about a year.
Logan: All the fun stuff. All right, my friend. ⁓ Stimmer Jen, great ⁓ great work. You put out a lot of stuff. There's a lot of conversations. People can go back and listen. They want to get into the nitty gritty of of your products and and the great stuff. Like I I do ⁓ sincerely think that you are doing things the best ⁓ that you possibly can. And I I have a lot of respect for you, especially your experience, the work you put in and ⁓ you know it takes a it takes a lot to bring a product to market that you believe in and you're you're doing it for not to just make money. ⁓ and so it's it's it's amendable. So thank you.
Christian Drapeau: Thank you.
