Lighting Upgrades P2: Quick Questions, Real Answers

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Joining me in the podcast studio today, we have our design engineer Eric.
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Hello.
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And our lighting designer, Sydney.
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Hi.
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Welcome, guys.
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All right, let's just do some quick rapid fire questions about lighting.
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I guess this would depend on the customer or the client.
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What rooms would you suggest, or do you find most people start with if they're gonna choose, hey, I want to upgrade my lighting and see how it is.
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What room would you suggest, or what room do you see people gravitating towards to try that?
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As like a sampler room just to test it out.
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I would go either primary bedroom or bathroom or both, or kitchen.
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And I'm hesitant on saying kitchen, usually because kitchen blends with living, blends with dining.
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So then your lighting temperature and color is going to be totally off if you start in the kitchen.
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But if you were to start in primary bed or primary bathroom, those are separate rooms, those are usually locked to a different portion of the house.
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So that's what I would say.
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Well, I can give you Sound Vision's rule.
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Oh, hi.
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Come on, rules.
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This is something slightly amusing that our salesperson thinks everybody knows, and come to find out that nobody knows it.
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It's called Pareto's Law.
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Oh, yes.
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I still don't understand Pareto's Law.
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I hear it all the time.
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Go ahead, Eric.
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Basically, Pareto's Law is 8020.
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So for our purposes, 80-20 in the house, 80 that we want to do in your home minimum is the living spaces.
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The high traffic.
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But yes, there you go.
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The high traffic rooms, kitchen, great room, living room, dining room, hallways for navigating at night.
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The master bedroom honestly is sometimes left off of that.
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And we rarely ever touch guest bedrooms, kids' bedrooms, or anything like that.
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Because it's if you're trying to save a little money, those rooms are just unnecessary.
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You can always add them later.
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Yeah, 100%.
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That's the thing.
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Yes, that is a great point.
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We at minimum want to do 80% of your house, and that sounds like a lot, but those areas, the main living areas and the hallways.
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After that, it's just bedrooms.
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Okay, bouncing off to your point.
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So someone's going to upgrade, they're starting with one room.
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What do we do?
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So are you talking about a new build or retro?
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Retro.
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Retro.
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This made most sense to me when I was first learning about DMF products.
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Is I called them bulb replacements.
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You don't have to open up the ceiling.
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There's no wiring that's changing.
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It's quite literally taking out the existing bulb and putting in a controllable, dimmable LED.
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Swapping out the bulbs.
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Yeah, a very unintrusive very in a retro situation.
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Correct.
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If we're keeping the layout, yes, we can 100% change the fixture and the bulb.
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Yes.
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Or just the bulb.
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Correct.
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Like if you have a six-inch can opening and you want that to go down to a smaller profile, four or even two, or even one, that's gonna involve a lot more work than just a simple replacement.
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A little mud in the switch.
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Yep.
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Okay.
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Some other little rapid fire questions.
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We're gonna do this or that, in your opinion, this is solely based on your taste.
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Warm dim or RGBW.
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Warm dim.
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Warm dim.
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Keypad control or app control on your phone.
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That's a hard one.
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Keypad, but keypad control.
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I would say keypad, but then the only caveat I have to that is if I were to be in bed at night and I forgot to turn the light off, app control.
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Ooh, that is a fair point.
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That's a great point.
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Going to make a point here that the fact that I am 30 years older than you, I like the tactile buttons.
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Well, yes.
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And so the question being, which would I prefer keypad?
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Would I use an app still?
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Yes, 100%.
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And exactly the thing she just said, you're laying in bed and you're like, oh crap, did I shut that light off?
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Or you know, that's also where automation comes in.
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Or you've pulled out of the driveway and you're like, oh crap.
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I forgot to turn that light off.
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Let me just let me just turn that one off real quick.
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So yes, I prefer keypads with sprinkled in app control.
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Maybe good.
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Good answer.
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Yes.
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Sums it up perfectly.
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Okay.
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Decorative fixture or architectural linear lighting?
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I don't think that's a this or that.
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I think they're two completely separate things.
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You have to have both.
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They're different layers of lighting.
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They both work together.
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Now, I will say, let's say this was a 100% concrete flat roof modern home.
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Architectural.
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Architectural, yes.
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You could your linear lights could replace chandeliers and stuff like that.
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Everything's mudded into the walls, everything's mudded into the ceiling, everything is clean, everything is crisp, everything is straight lines 100%.
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Any other type of house, they yeah.
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If you walk into a Nancy Myers-styled home in South Charlotte, I'm sorry, I'm going decorative all day long.
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Right.
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However, the undercab in the kitchen or the toe kick in the bathroom, they all work together.
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They play nicely.
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I am not a fan of the modern home.
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I was born and raised in New England.
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I like me a farmhouse.
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And so, yes, chandeliers and wall sconces and stuff like that, I think, are amazing.
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And I love linear, and I would use linear, but it would not be the main like I don't want to look like I'm in Tron.
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Even though that's cool looking.
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Yeah, yeah.
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That's not for me.
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Like, I don't want linear running down my hallway and it turns on from one end to the other.
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That's super cool, but it's not my style.
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It's not my estate.
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Yeah.
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If you're walking up a stair, have each stair light as you're walking up it, like right before you get there, so it lights that step instead of all the steps turning on.
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It's like again, all that's cool, and we can do all that.
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That's not my specific.
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And it's fun stuff.
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I'm not like it's super fun.
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I personally wouldn't put it in my own home.
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Yeah.
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And most people don't want to pay for fun.
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Fair.
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We could do so much cool stuff with lighting.
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So much fun.
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But again, that's the people don't they don't see the value in it and they don't want to pay for it until it's all said and done, and they're like, uh, we should have done what she said.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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You're right.
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Precisely.
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What would you prioritize upgrading?
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Interior or exterior lighting?
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Interior.
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I figure this one might stump.
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It's it's a tough one.
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Okay, let's use my wife and I for an example.
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We're the only two that live in the house.
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We don't have children or something like that.
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And her and I like the lights in completely different temperatures, whatever.
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It's a nightmare.
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And so for me, curb appeal, I would want to upgrade the outside first because that's what most people are going to see.
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You know, we don't entertain a ton, so the interior lighting doesn't matter to anybody else but us, and the fact that we can't agree on it.
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So let's make it look nice from the outside.
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And if you're like the only house, I will say this.
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For example, in my neighborhood, we have an HOA, and the HOA president is like three doors down for me.
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Yeah, not a fan of HOAs.
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I understand their purpose, but I think most of them are not run correctly.
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Anyways, not gonna go off on a tangent here.
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I think everyone would agree with you.
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Yeah, our I will say that our HOA has always been.
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I've been hit multiple times for weeds and stuff like that, and it's always been justified.
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Oh I'm never, I'm never like it irks me, but it's like it's true, 100% true.
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But anyways, our HOA president is like three doors down for us, and they have these spotlights in their house that light up the whole front of their house.
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It's like that's not landscape lighting.
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No, no, that check out.
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That's literally just look at my house.
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Look at me, look at me.
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Yeah, and it's like I really want to, and again, it's a rental, so I can't, but I would love to properly light my house and just be like, you suck.
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I don't.
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I mean, I do not disagree with you by any means.
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I'm gonna flip it 180.
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Nick and I love a dim down light.
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Like we love a 2700 Kelvin.
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We both love it.
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The moody.
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Like we don't have to fight over our lighting levels, which is such a blessing because the more clients that I've had time talking to, it seems like that is always like a headbutting conversation.
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Just between the couple.
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Yes.
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My wife wants all the lights on.
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I want none of the lights on.
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If I walk by a room that the light is on and no one's in it, that is a very dad response from me, even though I get it.
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I was gonna say my father, why is this on?
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I have no children and I never have, but I have the dad instinct, and I'm like, why is this light on?
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That is so.
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What if the dog wants to go in there?
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The dog has better night vision than literally.
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But I'm so thankful that we love lighting at the same level.
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Yeah.
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So great.
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But then we also entertain a ton.
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So I chose interior for that reason.
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Now, trust me, exterior, that is very next in line.
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I'm gonna flip right to exterior because we're gonna entertain outdoors too.
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It has to be properly lit.
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So if you're starting at entertaining indoor, then you flow to the outdoor later in the afternoon when it's a little cooler.
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That needs to be properly lit with some good landscape lighting design.
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That's so fair about like the entertainment spaces because I immediately went into your duh, like oh, that's where I'm spending most of my time.
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I don't care about curb appeal.
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But the entertainment spaces, yeah.
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Well, in my house as well, it's the very end of a cul-de-sac, it's borderline woods behind me, so it is just a dark hole, and I have one light at the door.
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Oh my.
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So nothing lights the front of my house, not even the garage, and the garage sticks proud of the house.
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There's no lighting on the garage.
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So the only light, if you pull into the driveway, the only light is actually around a corner.
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So the driveway is going to be dark with the out of the car.
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But if I'm having no, mind you, there is a street light near my house, so it's not like my sea's good.
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Yes, yes, that's all you need.
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It's just a little street light.
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But it's like if you think about that, yeah, that's not inviting.
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Now, mind you, I'm not inviting anybody to my house, so it works for the colour.
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I was gonna say you've been uninvited.
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Yeah, don't come near.
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Works really well for Halloween because I do not want anybody coming to my door.
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But yes, my house is one of the darkest lots in the thing, and it's like, if it were my house, this would be different, but it's not, so I'm like, whatever, I don't care.
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Yeah, that's fair.
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The renting of it all.
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Okay.
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I liked that question.
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I love this.
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Like, I feel like so, full disclosure, listeners, we had a whole outline about these some of these topics, but you know, we decided just to kind of make it a little more rapid fire, more conversational, and I'm actually kind of pleased with what we've got out of this so far.
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Yeah, I like this formatting.
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Go with the flu.
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Okay, to end this, with all of this said, if someone wanted to upgrade their lighting in their home, so they come to us, they contact us, what happens there?
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Like, what are some of the things we suggest, we look at in the home?
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How do we approach upgrading or retrofitting an existing home?
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On a base level, someone walks in, hey, I want to upgrade this lighting.
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I have pretty standard four cans in a fan.
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What are some things that we suggest or look for when we go in that home?
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I would say, oh, that's so awesome.
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Thank you for contacting us.
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I'd love to schedule a site visit to your house and go around and audit every single light switch.
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I don't care if they say, Oh, well, I don't want to do this, or oh, we're thinking about that.
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Collect all of the information that you can.
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Because nine times out of ten, they're gonna be like, you know what, I do want to add that room.
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Or, oh, you know what?
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After listening to what you had to say, we are gonna include this space.
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And so you need to be able to have that information readily available.
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Yeah.
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But I would schedule a sightwalk, and that would be step one.
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Well, and I also disagree.
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Oh, what?
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That is a very, and I'm going to call this out, that is a very sort of designer sales thing to me.
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And I don't I'm not like that, and I don't like that.
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Okay.
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Let's hear it.
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Tell us.
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And the reason being, the first thing you said is I'd want to do, well, first thing you launched into the sales pitch.
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That's great that you want to do that, but Okay.
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Okay, this is a good one.
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She was doing a scenario.
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This isn't what I would truly, word for word, would say.
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I'm just very vaguely going over how this would work.
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The first thing that triggered my mind is that you said I want to do a site visit, which is fine.
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Okay.
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And I want to go through every light.
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And I'm like, no.
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My thought process is I want to have a conversation first to find out what your thoughts are.
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Okay.
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Then, because if you go like to me, and again, I'm a very logical individual, I'm a very specific person.
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When I hear things, it resonates with me a very specific way.
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So to me, that's like, okay, you're having this salesy conversation, and you're just like, I immediately want to, you know, set up this thing at your home and I want to go through all of your lighting.
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Oh, okay.
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And it's like, just calm down there, Turbo.
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All right.
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If I can change what I was just saying, I'm going to do that right now.
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Step one is let's have a conversation.
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How do you live in your home?
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Are you entertainers?
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Are you not entertainers?
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Yeah.
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Do you have a regimented schedule?
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Are you early risers?
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Do you guys have kids that you entertain?
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Like, how do you live in the house essentially?
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Yeah.
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And then figure out what would make sense to control from there.
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So typically, we're gonna go back to 8020, the high impact areas, high traffic.
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Where are you walking through most mornings?
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What does the school routine look like in the morning?
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Where what paths are you walking through your house?
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That's the conversation I would have first, Eric.
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And then I'd go through and audit those specific rooms to figure out okay, what lights are we truly wanting to control and include in this project?
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And to be honest, the reason why I brought that up, and I'm just I'm pointing out the difference of being a salesperson and what at Sound Vision we strive not to be, like that whole very like it's a scripted, like, oh, that's a great question.
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Let me, you know.
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So my point being is that when you come through our door, I don't want to be in your face.
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I want to sit down and I want to learn about you.
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And that's what Sydney would do.
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But yeah, when they come through the door, it's hey, how are you?
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Immediately you walk into our sort of living room setting, and I want to sit on the couch and I want to have a conversation with you.
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I'm not gonna immediately run you into our conference room and sit you down and show you a bunch of things like we show you all the cool stuff we have here.
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No, I want to sit down and get to know you guys.
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I exactly want to learn, but yeah, do you have kids?
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Do you entertain?
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Are you worried about the outside?
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You know, how do you use your lighting?
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Like, do you guys travel?
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Are you in the home?
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Yeah.
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365 days of the year, are you out of town most of the time?
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Are you is this your primary residence?
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Yeah.
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So we want to learn all of that stuff first in a very conversational manner to sort of get our heads around what you're needing.
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For sure.
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With all that information, then I can go, oh, okay, I've already got a plan.
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You know, we can either talk about that plan or yes, I'd love to do a site visit to see what we're working with here, to see where I can, you know, make changes or do whatever.
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And then, yes, I can then give you a proposal and then we can talk about, okay, well, that's too much.
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All right, great, let's just do these rooms or whatever the case may be.
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Right.
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Which is pretty much the Sound Vision way with any of our clients.
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We really want to gauge who you are because these are very personalized solutions.
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This is your home.
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You are not the same as the last client.
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We want to work with you and what works best for you.
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And this doesn't just apply to lighting, this applies to the full gamut that we provide here at Sound Vision.
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It's not just sectioned off to lighting by any means.
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Yeah, absolutely right.
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We are not the four cans and a fan of the AV world.
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Like, do you want speakers in your garage?
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Most people don't.
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I would.
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So it's like four percent of people who want speakers in their garage because they're tinkerers, right?
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But the other 80, 90, 40 or whatever it is, don't.
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And that's fine, you know.
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But we want to figure out how you use the house.
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Some people want honestly, speakers in their powder bass.
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Yes, makes no sense to me whatsoever.
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Can I explain that to you?
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Actually, no, I'm sorry.
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I know what you're gonna say.
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I don't think you do, but I think I do know what you're gonna say, and I'm gonna go ahead.
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I understand that's ridiculous, and it doesn't make any sense.
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There is a logical explanation on why to have sound in a powder bath.
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Go ahead.
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Okay, I have two for you.
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One of them being there's a big game on, you don't want to miss a single play because you have to go to the bathroom.
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You don't want to miss the touchdown.
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So, speaker in the powder bath.
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If you are big entertainers, if you're not, okay, sure, doesn't apply.
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Two, background music or noise.
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Actually, I'm throwing three.
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Also, three, if you listen to audiobooks around the house and you're getting stuff done around the house, like you're you're doing laundry, you're setting up for entertaining later, and you have to go to the bathroom, you can still listen to the book.
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Now I know you're gonna say, Well, you can use headphones for that.
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Yes, you could.
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You could have AirPods.
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I was not gonna say that, but these are three options that come to my mind.
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Go ahead, Eric.
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I just want to say you're killing me, smalls.
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The entertaining thing, that would be my reasoning as well.
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Okay, no, do you Eric?
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You can't miss a second of something that you need audio in your bathroom.
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If you're not a big sports person, then sure.
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Whatever.
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But if there's a big game on, I don't care what sport it is, you don't want to miss a second if you're a big sports person.
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I can understand, okay, if you're having a party or something like that, but you know, we do live in a technological world where you can pause it and then you can catch back up or pause the Super Bowl.
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No, and that's a different scenario.
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But you're gonna have speakers in your house 365 days a year for one night.
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No, I watch a lot of sporting events.
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Yes, there's multiple events.
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No, but I agree.
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I think that it's an extra avid luxury of imagine you're hosting people and they go to the bathroom and there's just this smooth little jazz in the background.
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You're like, oh, that's nice.
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I'm gonna tell you the true reason why speakers are in the powder bath.
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Nobody, and this is fact.
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Cut it if you want.
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Nobody wants to be heard going to the bathroom.
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So if there is music.
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Yes, Eric, that's what I was just split.
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I wasn't gonna say it, but that's why there's music in the bathroom.
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And I wasn't gonna get into the nitty-gritty bathroom.
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Especially a party.
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Let's not sugarcoat it.
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That was the reasoning behind point number two.
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I just wanted to see if you were gonna say it because I know you cannot.
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I wasn't going to.
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But thank you for saying that.
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Yeah, thank you for stating what we were all thinking.
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P you.
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Oh my gosh.
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Oh god, now I lost my train of thought.
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Okay, I think we can go ahead and wrap up.
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Well, if there's anything we want listeners to take away from this episode, is that having an existing home doesn't mean that you're stuck with lighting that's already there.
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You might not need to open every wall, replace every fixture, or upgrade the entire house.
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What we suggest is starting with spaces that matter most, understand what you're working with, and create a plan that can grow with your home.
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You don't have to renovate your home to rethink how it's lit.
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Anything else you guys want to add before we get out of here?
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I don't think so.
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I think I'm good.
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No, all good.
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All right.
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Well, thank you guys for joining me, and we hope you listeners enjoyed.
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