Thirst Traps

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a cat snoring on my bed so if you hear something adorable that's it and there's a dead mouse under it
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, there was a dead mouse under it, which I like to imagine was a gift from Sad Cat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's kind of cute when you think about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, you know, there are four beds in this flat and to pick mine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I must be something special.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not to be the person that talks about her cat and how awesome she is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My cat is just genuinely awesome and she's just a princess and she's very sweet and like low maintenance and the one time she ever killed a mouse, she just like daintly put it in the middle of the door of my bedroom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She didn't put it on the bed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She didn't put it under the bed, she put it right in the middle as her little offering, and I was like, wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Aren't you so drool?
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's a real classy broad, that girl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a classy broad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Have you been watching me for you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I've just started.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I watched the first two episodes of the third season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had no intention of watching it, but then you got into like a viewing group of viewing situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a different show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sam Levinson obviously got incredibly bored with the show that he contractually has to make and decided to like make his
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what feels like his weird pathetic attempt at like a crime thriller.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ormen, PTA, type, Los Angeles, crime, multi stories, like, and I went back to watch the first episode of the first season of euphoria after I watched this new season because Ruth's character was so different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't believe that day I was doing this, really.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or any of them, like they're all huge stars now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, it's insane, but he clearly got bored of writing this character through completely because she now feels like a tabbed at like a Robert Altmanee kind of protagonist, like she's stumbling around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She basically, like, you can tell he just doesn't want to write women because there's a line where she's like, I'm basically a dude and she, so like spoiler alert, she becomes like a pin or she's like working for a pin and she's so horned up in a way that
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[SPEAKER_00]: Rose character on the original seasons felt like she was defined by her sort of anxiety and her relationship with Jules was like very complicated But in this she's like and it's like I don't God bless her loves Andrea She cannot pull it off like she's eyeing up all of the like strippers and like the women in the show It's not believable at all
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love Zendea, but she has her limitations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like she's really, she does really thrive in the role of Rue, especially with the drug addiction stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then, like, in other projects, you can see maybe the limits of her abilities.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm a sucker for a crime caper, I love a crime thriller, I love criminal underbelly, but to do that in, like, current ALA with a bunch of, like, Gen Z teenagers is just kind of like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It just doesn't feel it's just so lame.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's so derivative and you so like he just kind of stupid Sam Levinson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's Giving Riverdale and yes, it's just it's like well, what if we took the characters with these names and just put them in a completely different setting in context That has nothing to do with anything because like real
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[SPEAKER_00]: who I feel like if you were to give any merit to the original seasons, it's that the depiction of her addiction is like really well done, it's like fucking incredible in that role, like in those early seasons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's such like an in-depth representation of that whole situation in the show or like in this new season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, yeah, I got clean and then I like
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now I'm still relapsed, and I haven't been sober since.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's just functioning completely normal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's not a junkie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's not like, you know, like, on the original seasons, like, when all the lights change, and she, like, stops talking, and is, she's a completely, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a good person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just so funny because everyone during the second season, I haven't watched the third season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do not care.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It would just irritate me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to hear your opinions, like, I want you to see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'll watch it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny because like all of the feedback that people gave him in this from the second season was that the bet like he's at his strongest one He's writing about addiction because it's like he's writing from personal experience and all of the ruse stuff in the second season was what kept it afloat So to just abandon that is like you were such a prick
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's just so arrogant like it's like you've just betrayed everything that made you famous and you're too stupid to do anything else And here you are making like the stupid bastardized show and making just like a lukewarm like reheated version of way better material
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[SPEAKER_01]: that you can't pull off because you're not a visionary and it's like now knowing that he like all of the stuff that made Season 1 great was like mostly just because it was lifted from petrocolans and like from his collaborations with Labyrinth and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like okay, so what actually do you bring to the table?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Truly nothing he's a film bro
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[SPEAKER_00]: in the spirit of many enthusiastic but perhaps not especially talented or intelligent young film bros who happen to have like the right connections and daddy's money and now this insane HBO budget to get away with whatever ridiculous he bristic male filmmaker bullshit he wants to get away with and by the way like in this new season
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[SPEAKER_00]: his obsession with pushing sexual morales in like ways that actually aren't that interesting or groundbreaking or especially like helpful continues in this new season because like every character is working in sex work in some dimension and there's something so bleak about
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[SPEAKER_00]: Having this show full of these really originally rich and empathetic young female characters who are all going through these, you know, their unique experiences and like I think in a way that was handled kind of interestingly in the first season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The first season is great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we've flash forward five years later, and they're all... Jewels is a sugar baby.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cassie is doing only fans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maddie is a manager for people doing only fans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ru is like working for a pimp.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The only one who isn't doing that is Lexi, because she's working in TV, and who gives a fuck about that character monitor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The betrayal of the Cassie character to me is just one of the accused things ever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Taking this character who is like so affected by her own like objectification and sexuality and the way it makes her kind of implode or like the way that it makes her like hyper-sexual and then taking that and just turning her into such a character like a bimbo character is so evil like just cruel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hate when people have contempt for their characters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really hate that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's shitting on his own work because I think, like you're saying, there was so much nuance to that character originally, and there was, like, he was bringing, I think, a really interesting perspective to it, or, like, not perspective, but, like, I take on it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that was mostly coming out of his collaborations with...
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[SPEAKER_00]: actors and writers this is him doing full solo so yeah that's funny so she's an only her yeah she's an only man's model and she's marrying Nate and they live in this weird 70s style like McManshin the decor's really ridiculous of course because Sam Levinson just wants it to look like a 70s movie well exactly yes um and
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, the first episode has this way drawn out scene of Chloe Cherry and Zendaya shoving condoms full of drugs down their throat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it is so gratuitous to him for a dream style.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then, like, Chloe Cherry's character shits herself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is, like, you fucking hate women, don't you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it sucks, because you made us think that you didn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At first, and you tricked us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You tricked us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You tricked us, but, no, it's just, like, humiliating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's also taken the show so fucking long to be made.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, the first season came out six years ago, seven.
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[SPEAKER_01]: seven years ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's only on its third season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why is this taking so long?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like because wait, you're filming everything on 35 millimeter?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't understand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because this man has like unchecked ADHD perhaps and I don't know, I would think that if I'll like not to play the woman card, but I would think that if a woman director went ahead and pulled that shit and like made people wait this long for a follow-up season to such a big hit of a show that that role would get taken away from her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Someone else would be brought in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, for example, like the idol?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, well, yes, well, yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm very tired of stupidity and filmmaking these days.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm tired of stupid people getting projects greenlit and writing their own projects.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really just tired of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you need to be smart.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to be able to write your own film and I'm tired of these dumb dumb's writing their own stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll say it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a lot of taboo around calling people dumb and guess what some people are dumb.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Sam Levinson is dumb and not smart enough to write an entire series.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is just the outcome of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that and just like contempt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just boring because it's just swallowing so much space in an industry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: where shit could be better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I went to see a movie last night called Two Limits and Zumont, which means all I think it's like all the mornings of the world or all the mornings in the world, and it's like the French Amadeus kind of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's about like a French composer and his mentor and their relationship and his relationship with the mentor's dollars and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just, it's fascinating seeing a film that's just so restrained.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like a lot of 90's films.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were not doing crazy camera work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was all about like the acting, like there's such subtle acting happening here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so pulled back, but it's not boring.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, it's so hard for people to just strike a balance without these days.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like either you're getting this like full blown slopp, like you for a year, or you're getting like the most boring thing you've ever seen in your life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just would like something in the middle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I saw it at the rock scene.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll have to check it out, but I agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: D-Fun Sam Levinson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For real, though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lock him up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, I had complained about my eye floters in a previous episode, and I've been getting helpful input from our patrons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And update...
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[SPEAKER_00]: went to the optometrist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My eyes completely healthy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just happened to have a lot of floaters, unfortunately, and I static, which I didn't know was a thing, but it's kind of like tonight's for your eyes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My optometris was also like, you really shouldn't be wearing your glasses unless you're watching a movie or driving a night, which I don't do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So apparently I have 2020 vision.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good job, girl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do not have 20 to 20, but I have extreme dry ice syndrome, which I used to think was called a stigmatism, but that's not what a stigmatism is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I do have a stigmatism, actually.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I don't believe you, you're crazy, I'm kidding, but I have that eyes that I've had since I was in high school, and so fuck you Hannah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, I'm Hannah, and I'm...
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[SPEAKER_00]: Today, we're talking about thirst traps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maya, can you give a simple like popular definition of what a thirst trap is?
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[SPEAKER_01]: For my understanding of the thirst trap,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's when a person composes an image so desirable, so titillating that it gets the attention of the audience of their choice, I suppose, or that's the intention of taking this one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a photo or a post posted with the intention of, you know, yeah, generating attention.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Attention of a sexual variety.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Precisely, ding ding ding.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, it can seem like a pretty straightforward concept, but I know even from past conversations with you that what actually falls under that definition can sometimes be subjective.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, going into this episode, I had all these questions pertaining to like who posts their straps, who responds to their straps, and why we do either.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and to help answer them all, I decided.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was time to conduct rehashes first ever scientific study, which is an anonymous survey on thirst traps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to unpack the results of this study later in the episode, wow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But first, before we do so, I want to talk a little bit more about the concept of thirst in general.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, the history really of like the usage of thirst.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So obviously, when we use the word thirst in this context of the thirst trap, we are using it figuratively.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this kind of use for the word goes back centuries.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mary and Webster has like this really great article on the etymology of the term thirst where they pull these like uses of thirst from the 17th century.
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[SPEAKER_00]: stuff like hungry and thirst after God's Word, or you see my swords not thirst for your life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this article notes that words which often followed thirsty included was the knowledge and details.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so with that in mind, like, yet what is thirst in a metaphorical sense of oak for you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what does it convey?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Colonel hunger, I guess, or like a colonel yearning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I suppose, like, oh, I'm approaching you from a place of deprivation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I am thirsty, I'm dehydrated, I'm starving, and you are the object that can like fulfill that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That needs, that need in me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like a desire craving, longing,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like this use of thirst is very powerful and very evocative, and also, like, at least in the examples above, fairly neutral or even positive in their value.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I find it interesting because, would you say that today, especially on the internet, there's a negative connotation to the concept of thirst, or the word itself?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think there's a few things happening, but I think in the realm of like, we have a bonus episode of it's simps, but the idea of kind of like, frustrating yourself at the feet of of a person for sexual reasons is seen as kind of like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: in terms of male culture, like kind of non-masculine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, I don't know, I think in general culture, it's seen as kind of like pervy or like goony.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think that all of these new terms that are kind of coming out like gooners, and whatever are exposing a kind of fatigue with this kind of like horny culture of the internet, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the like the prevalence of sexual imagery and people surfacing for it, I suppose.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think also on the flip side of that, there's the idea of being thirsty for attention as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The first definitely has come to have this like sexual connotation within the context, or like within certain contexts online, that...
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[SPEAKER_00]: Makes it a bit more specific than when it was used just to describe like any kind of desire or or wanting But there's also then they're steep Slingily used online to indicate that like you are desperate like You were not desiring for another person you're desiring to be desired Hmm in a sense, which I think that to me feels like the origin of this really like negative interpretation of I guess thirst
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Being attention-seeking in general, I think, is, like, looked down upon on the internet, but it's also, like, the most pervasive state of being on the internet.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the first entry for thirst on Urban Dictionary was in 2003 and the definition given was when y'all don't know what the deal is and you just thirst in for more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So here it's actually being used very similarly to the above like examples of you know a thirst for knowledge, but again there is already like this more negative connotation because you're desperate for more
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's not yet a metaphor for last.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then, three years later, in 2006, there's a new entry on Urban Dictionary under the word thirst, which uses it specifically to imply horaniness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Their definition was just, they are really wanting of a girl's and slash or my sister.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who I imagine is probably also a girl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They are wanting other girls slash my sister.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, they're wanting of a girl and slash or my sister is not like the entire description.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's nothing that comes before that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's really funny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're like somebody is thirsty if they are wanting of a, but right, right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Their definition of thirsty included someone is thirsty if which to me felt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, and they want my sister some bad if they want a girl or my sister And so I love this quote from Miriam Webster from the Miriam Webster article that I was mentioning before where they talk about thirst
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[SPEAKER_00]: in use in like that kind of a context and they say use of their see in this way keeps a vidity in the realm of the carnal with all that such imagery entails incorporating a sense of urgency, immediacy, and physicality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that kind of gets at what you were saying before as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like kind of transforms it from a want to a need, which I think is why it works so well to describe
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[SPEAKER_00]: sexual, or sexual longing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I'm in the desert, I see a mirage, and it's your booty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, someone right that in Sanskrit, I need my booty, you know, yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, there is see in certain contexts online become synonymous with horningness, of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this would make way for the thirst trap a few years later, with the advent of social media.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So those trapping picks up in the mid-2010s with the rise of like Instagram's popularity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People like Kim Kardashian, Amber Rose, and Drake become known for their thirst traps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is also like the time of aspects and like people debating if its feminists are not to like post naked on Instagram.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So to show whole.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the thirst trap is, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, obviously with the pandemic, there was a noted rise in people being horny on Maine, we're all trapped inside, we all need some kind of outlet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So people are posting more thirst traps, people are more responsive to thirst traps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's got to get their itch scratched, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And only time I've ever posted what I guess you could call it thirst trap was in the pandemic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's funny because I feel like there was this beautiful era of like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: 2015 to 2017, maybe 17 of this kind of post-girl's rise in diaristic, like confessional content, among women on Instagram, it was like kind of the era where women would film themselves, like dancing, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean camera.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of Petra Collins, like that kind of photo boothy, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I fully post in my video myself dancing with this prop gun, which looking back at it looks like fully a real gun, like it's like such a
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's such a convincing prop and I was like supposed to be ironic, but obviously not at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also with their strap, but I feel like that was when I was posting the most thursdays traps.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there was a lot of like kind of photo booths, pick, or like it would be like matching underwear sets.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I was kind of showing whole back then, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I kind of moved into like more swimsuit photos.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now it's just like, I don't know if I would post any of those in the same way, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, which I am sure we'll talk about, but yeah, for me it was pre pandemic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I didn't quite have that very, very, I feel like I was just like two cognizant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the pictures I was posting during that era were weird, but not especially sexy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, yes, no, I totally know what you're talking about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In the pandemic, I used to have to force Hannah, like, she'd be like, my, uh, I want to post a sexy photo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'd be like, okay, like, what do you want to do?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we'd like have an entire sit down discussion about how Hannah would post her thirst trap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, at the last minute, she'd be like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't do this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, except I did post one kind of I was like I wasn't wearing a shirt But you couldn't see the front.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like from my back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was a photo booth photo and it was like taken like from over the shoulder or something So you took your shirt off in the photo booth?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No like a photo booth like laptop photo booth
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[SPEAKER_00]: this was like in the pandemic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They worked a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got your desired attention.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not really my desired attention.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was more of like a surprise.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then okay, TikTok has also created this like whole news on earth, they're strapping, which like specifically for young men, which is the seductive lip sync.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is not really what this survey is going to be touching on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, we're old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The people are sent to our old work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is all about, like, good old fashion Instagram.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I just wanted to acknowledge the hard work of, like, butch lesbians and, like, pretty young men who are thriving on the thirst trap side of TikTok.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the hey mom is lesbians and they're like wife beaters and like gold chains and bobs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they were putting in hard labor on TikTok for a while there and like people eat it up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You could be corny as hell and the girlies love that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, Vinny Hacker from TikTok is on the new season of V4A and he's one of those boys that became famous for being like, oh, and like lip syncing at the camera.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why he pops up on my feet again and I was like, who is this guy?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I remember
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, like 19-year-old who blew up on TikTok, yeah, and I'm 10-year-old Chad, if you will.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A.S.E.
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[SPEAKER_01]: as a Chad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like a surfer, actually.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All those guys are also kind of skinny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually can be to be honest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't know who they were at the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am embarrassed to say who a 19-year-old Chad was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they got a surfer, Chad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, in the years since we've left lockdown, have you noticed any shifts in the culture of their strapping or its prevalence?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love when you say trapping, like as if people are trapping, um, okay, well, I guess, yes, I've seen it decline.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe this is just in me like this is actually really gotten me thinking about my own posting habits and I feel like I used to post myself a lot more I guess I still post about myself, but I think my Instagram has become a lot more intertwined with my career Whereas like a few years ago, it was a lot more just like me signaling to other people that I think I'm hot, I guess
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, and I guess like maybe the older I got the last comfortable I am being like sexy on the internet, which kind of bums me out like I don't I don't want to feel that way I still want to feel like being sexy and I'm not old But yeah, I've seen a bit of a decline.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there is kind of like a distinctive aesthetic in New York if there's traps where it'll be like soup
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[SPEAKER_01]: Burso Burso Burso Burso skinny girls who look very young but like some of them aren't even and they post kind of like Just a little like nipple pictures.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like wife-beater-nope-raw-type vibe That's a kind of a big thing here or like thai-gap photo The thai-gap photos are back Jesus Christ
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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of been not in the same way, like it's a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little more like emo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But does emo's here too?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would say that that's kind of the vernacular of like New York thirst trap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of the vibe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, like in a more general sense, like I feel like that fashion Nova era, maybe it's just not on my feet as much, but the photos don't feel as thirst trap, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like girls used to be posting photo booth photos of like themselves nude, but like scratching out the nipples.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was like the body positivity era was a lot of people posting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We had the specific experience of being in these really art hoey type.
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[SPEAKER_00]: yeah spaces where that was something you do and you would also have this sort of you could always just be like no it's not a thirst trap this is me like expressing like bodily autonomy or something yeah I'm celebrating my body it was this kind of like editorial mag era
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[SPEAKER_01]: huge Montreal, like Galshikira type, like, yeah, low-fi.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I follow this girl now called Harry, I think her name's Harry at Richardson, and she, I really like her, she's like a, kind of like a sex writer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she, every time she posts like a new essay, she just has this, like, kind of cute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Way of posting it, we're gonna be the essay and then she'll have a themed photo booth photo to go with it of herself And it feels very reminiscent of that era.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think her writing's great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think her name's like hats Richard Sennon Instagram But she's kind of like breaking that back in a big way and I I just don't like that era like I like the way it looked I just think that like we've become much more sex-negative so like if I was to post Some ethereal soft like semi nude photo on Instagram It just wouldn't go down the same way as it used to
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, also all of my excited family has like just gotten on Instagram and they all found me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just unblocked my brother, sorry Nigel, because during that era was like, we cannot be seeing this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, simply, my mom just got Instagram and she follows like 10 people, and it's like me, my yeah Whitney Rose from the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, like three Irish influencers of Ryan Reynolds fan account and like a few pro-Palestine pages.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Whoa.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kate, she's cool as fuck, first of all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but she doesn't follow back her own, like, sister who she's 11 months apart with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like, she or anyone else from our family, but she follows Maya.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's so cool, I love her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Your mother's so is alcohol.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Whitney Rose shout is really like specific.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not even our favorite like housewife.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why she follows what they wrote.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe when you post their jobs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My mom goes, I don't even know where you see that someone's followed you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, like, come, anyways, airing out her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now that we've, you know, had this great pre discussion, it's time to dive into my scientific research.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, let me first explain my methodology to you all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I crafted an anonymous survey which I sent out to my primary group chats and asked my friends to pass a log.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the research world, this is called a snowball sampling method.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The survey counted for participants gender, sexual orientation, and relationships that is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are 41 respondents in total.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 63.4 identify as male and 36.6 identify as female.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to focused on recruiting men that I didn't really focus on recruiting anyone else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 50% of male participants identify as straight 23% identify as gay
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[SPEAKER_00]: 15.4% identify as bisexual and 11.5% identify as other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry to the many beautiful sexualities in the Pride flag that I just didn't have the ability to write them all out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 60% of female participants identify as straight and 40% identify as bisexual.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am sorry to the lesbians, I didn't do a good job at recruiting you either.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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[SPEAKER_00]: More than half of female participants were single, and then 26.7% were dating, 13.3% were engaged, and 6.7% were married.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know who the one married person is, high-men too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, high-man too, I didn't ask for the ages of the respondents because I knew everyone filling it out would fall between the ages of 25 and 35, so you can assume that they fall into that age range.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Most of the respondents are British or Canadian, but there's a few Americans turned in there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And before we go further, as if our tone isn't conveying it, I feel like it should make you very clear that this survey was mostly just for fun, and that my methodology is very flawed, and I have no background in this kind of research.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, I dropped all of the classes that were supposed to teach me how to conduct it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a bit, and I hate it, and that's why I'm not an academia anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, numbers, graphs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Research is the word, but thank you for all of those who do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would also like to take a moment to thank my beautiful research assistants by name, Becca, Abbey, Jojo, Megan, Manjulika, Lucy, and most of all, Alexa.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and my yet she did also assist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But most of all, I want to thank my friend, Alexa, who's a beautiful genius and a true woman in STEM and who turned all of my data into this incredible research report that has color-coded graphs and like summaries and it's
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[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, the funniest thing I've ever seen in the world so thank you so much Alexa for taking your own time to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So while we go over the results of the survey, my yeah, we're gonna go like question to question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna have you answer the questions as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're growing question by question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So question number one, you've already answered this really.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Have you ever posted a therstrap?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Intentionally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like so many times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lock her up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Lock me up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to show hole when we're in Ireland together next week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we're going to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to show hole with the sheep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Majority of respondents said that they had intentionally posted a therstrap, but it was like a very, very small margin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So 60% of women said that, yes, they had intentionally posted a therstrap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And 53.8% of men feels a bit low to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think?
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[SPEAKER_01]: hmmm, now it feels like higher than I expected for men to be honest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying, just do wait and see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Question number two, can straight men post their straps?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I know like like obviously the answer is yes, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: I pose this question, and I only pose it to female participants, because I've long been very curious about straight men and they're approached to thirst dropping, because I would argue that what falls under the definition of a thirst drop for a straight man differs greatly from any other demographic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Totally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not really showing whole.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's more about like the vibe than anything else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but there is like a street normie man who posts dick imprint gray sweat pants photos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and we should never forget about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we should be thinking about the types of men also.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 80% of the female participants responded, yes, straight men can pose their straps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, if we go back to the number of respondents who admit to posting a thirst drop and account for sexual orientation, only 38.5% of straight men said, yes, they have posted a thirst drop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And all of these men were either single or dating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what do we think of this disparity?
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[SPEAKER_00]: If majority of women, like the vast majority of women really say that yes, straight men post their straps, but then only 38.5% of straight men admit to having done that, do we think either one or the men lying, or two, do we think that the women are interpreting certain posts as thirst inducing that the men aren't cognizant too?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, well, here's the problem with your methodology.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you, did you, did you provide it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not what I asked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not the question on the table.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you provide a standard definition of what other strap is?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I figured the world don't a grown-ups, we've been on the internet, we know that there's not so part of the one of the variables of your study, but one of the variables of your study could be how do people interpret their straps and so therefore you intentionally just hold tight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so therefore you intentionally with held certain information from your participants, which is okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you should hold tight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you should shut your
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, you guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is our worst most unhinged episode today, and I fear that some of my friends that helped me with this might be like I'm gonna listen to Hannah's podcast for the first time and start with this I know we false idea of what we usually do on this show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a one-off and I'm running on four hours of sleep so
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, me too babe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So to answer your question earnestly, as best I can, I think that there's a disparity in intention here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like there's a different an understanding in thirst trap from the poster and thirst trap from the spectator.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, moving on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, three questions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So okay, three,
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[SPEAKER_00]: What does a straight male thirst trap look like?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I said, for the respondents who said, yes, for the women, straight men camp, post a thirst trap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What does that look like?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, to me, it's like growing boy waste.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if there's like a photo of a, like, if a guy takes a photo, like it's a selfie and it's kind of like his midrift is in it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not his like exposed midrift, but like he's showing boy waste.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like to me, I'm like, oh, you're,
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[SPEAKER_01]: you're trapping.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But this is so subjective.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, but of course.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but it'll be like living in a carousel and he's like just walking to the store in this carousel dump.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in the photo, it just like happens to place emphasis on like, oh, like his arm or like, oh, his groin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the more I say that's out loud, the less I'm like, oh, that happens all the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It almost never does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, but I get what you're saying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Among the boys, I know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do I need to give you some descriptions from female respondents?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what they said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So only 6.7% of respondents said their faces, or like mentioned anything to do with their faces, which I thought was interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 13.3% mentioned something to do with their outfits.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So someone said maybe in a suit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is the only acceptable time, and then someone else said fit pick with esoteric music.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 30% mentioned something that showed off their personalities, such as showing off a scale in a way that is sure to attract people, or photo with the puppy, or a small child in brackets fake empathy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so this is more like an aura form though, this isn't a thirst trap because there's nothing to do with like horniness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, I think that the photo that I like that guys post
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[SPEAKER_00]: But this is the, so 40%, mentioned something about showing off their bodies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So shirtless gym selfie, shirtless pic selfie, that's like mugs serving face, skin showing sweating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So those, I think perhaps this highlights the disparity in definitions of what is or isn't a thirst rap, however, I think if I may defend my methodology,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I chose to keep definitions vague, so that I could maybe surmise from the respondents answers how they personally interpreted these things and what fell into those categories.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, and so in this case, I think it's very interesting because I think what I found generally is like it is a trend with a lot of the female respondents is that there's a bit more of like a sex positive and like more forward tone to their answers and so the fact that 40% we're talking about their bodies like that that was the most popular kind of angle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: says something, but I also do think that it does speak to the fact that for some women, the thing that is making you like long after a guy, or honestly maybe get horny for a guy, is the fact that he like just made a really great, like whatever, solid dressing or some shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's like the classic lady being objectified and man having like imminence and transcendence and objectivity and subjectivity, like it's like, okay,
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[SPEAKER_01]: we're attracted to like the male subjectivity and I want to see his face and I want to see the music he listens to and I want to see his you know and then I think like a pretty dominant feeling among men because of however society structure is like I want to see her ass you know like doesn't matter for faces in it
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[SPEAKER_00]: As.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'd love a disembodied as.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I also think that going back to my question that you didn't really answer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I answered you question that you moved on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that this might account for the disparity because maybe perhaps these men were operating from a definition of, you know, a thirst trap is you posting a hot photo of yourself and not necessarily
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[SPEAKER_00]: realizing that these were also elements that women interpreted as thirst inducing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was my answer to your question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a difference in intention between the poster and the spectator.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was however when I wrote the survey, or I had a migraine, but you know, so when I asked the straight men who checked the survey, who said they had posted their traps,
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[SPEAKER_00]: to describe the thirst traps that they post, these were the responses.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Post break up into the post in brackets last slide of a dump.
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[SPEAKER_00]: selfie where I thought I looked good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Me looking laying, which is British for, I guess, like, hot, and then in brackets merging out the sea, sweaty after sport, building stuff, in and out the set of brackets.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're like, out of the sea is so cute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Damn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's merging out the sea, merging out the sea is extra cute.
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[SPEAKER_00]: selfie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was another one, and then the last one was in quotations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Look at this cool thing I'm doing, or look, I'm still alive and still looking healthy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, this is how men describe their thirst traps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, what are your thoughts?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like now that we've heard how women are thinking about male thirst traps versus...
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[SPEAKER_00]: The meager vague responses from me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the men are just conceiving of it is like Okay, I'm posting something that is meant to get general interest, you know, and I think that that is
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[SPEAKER_01]: The ways that we derive general interest or regenerate general interest from people are so different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's so heavily gendered because women have been taught that telegenerate interest is to do it sexually.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, to receive sexual interest, versus like men have not been taught that because they are not like the view to subject, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so they are like, okay, I'm gonna generate interest by like, she'll probably like this if I show her how cool my salad making skills are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: also to me like okay so with with our male friends you know one of them has been dumped before like you've even heard it through the grapevine because they've suddenly posted a photo of themselves the quality of the photo can vary the you know context of the photo all of that it doesn't really matter it's just that they're suddenly making a solo appearance on their Instagram that you know
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[SPEAKER_00]: The photo itself isn't really what's enticing the attention.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, they're the particulars of the photo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it serves as a bat signal to the women of your local area.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That, like, you might have gone to high school with, and there was a sort of vibe that never got acted on, or, you know, this, like, third times removed acquaintance, or your barista or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's very rare that straight men will just post a selfie, like, when they're in a relationship.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I'm thinking about all the times I was posting through the straps and I was like damn I was in a full blown committed relationship for a lot of that era Like which you very healthy relationship.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were in a screw pulls about that between us, but like I yeah, it's interesting to think about that because women are liars
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[SPEAKER_00]: and men live under rock when they're really just the two genders they're like Patrick has emerged from his rock he merged out the rock into you he literally literally you know how the rock flips up and he's still stuck to the rock that's why man posting to a shitty photo is to grab money's gone through break up so none of these just want to see i really provided new insights but they they're just kind of
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[SPEAKER_00]: out of their jobs, or when it comes to the art of thirst, I don't think they need to be skillful or very intentional or very creative at a listening thirst to, and so the lack of insight from my participants kind of showcases that, because even though they don't think they're posting thirst traps, the ladies say otherwise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it doesn't help when women are constantly like, why are you posting yourself?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, why are you as a man?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why do you have a photo of yourself on there?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think a lot of women also do a lot of, you should have no posts if you're a man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You shouldn't even have Instagram.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I do think it's a little bit disincentivizing, I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Totally I and I in fairness like I think when a guy is good at Instagram I'm like that's a red flag and then when a guy doesn't have it in Instagram I'm like that's a red flag Should we totally honestly like there was this guy for my college?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna keep this as big as possible who I perceived we all perceived to be quite nerdy and then out of college
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[SPEAKER_01]: he posted this like ripped shirtless photo and everyone's opinions of him completely did it wasn't like it was like a complete flip where it was like oh he's hot and then everyone had a crush on him after that like he was kind of crazy so that was like a really effective thirst drop like it worked and it was so clearly a thirst drop he's like flexing
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, comparatively, when I asked men who didn't identify as straight to describe their thirst traps, the answers were very different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, we get slight mouth open looking up to calmer, wearing a tank top with my hair looking good and scrunching my eyebrows just a bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, gosh, shirtless or in my underwear, or showing off my figure in order to get validation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, the gays are honest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The gays are so hot, dude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it drives me crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They drive me crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You gazed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You gazed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is there trying to care for me?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the gaze look amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have it on lock and they're being sexy and sexual and I support them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the heteroes are just like withering away and turning it to husks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, and they're like responding to other people being sexy, like in a positive enthusiastic way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, game men are like really, they've, they know what they're doing, and they're good at it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: allies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So question number four.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What is your primary reason for posting a thirst trap?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the respondents were given five options.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Revenge on earthing secret admirers, bathing a specific crush, confidence boost, or other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So which is yours?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which do you pick?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mine is 100% bathing a specific crush.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then like the unearthing secret admirers is just like, that's happened
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[SPEAKER_00]: What is your success rate with that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Depends on the crush.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes the crush is like eager and willing so, and like supportive, sometimes the crush sucks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really depends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's when you know the crush is not worth it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If the crush is not engaging with it, you're kind of like, well, it's screw you anyway.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, don't you know this was for you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't I have to really, I'm like, I'm gonna beat for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You'd be grateful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do I need to write your name on something?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Me, I would say, not that I mean, famously I don't post those traps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I would think I would probably do it to either on earth secret admirers because I'm curious or for a confident boost because who doesn't need one of those?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The little times you have posted, it has been for confidence boost, I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think usually like the thought of a crush seeing a thirst trap that I'm posting like makes me feel embarrassed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hannah's thirst traps that she's posted where she's like, oh my god, it will be just like her fully closed holding a drink.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't believe I did that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know I was going to this survey, I've been really not judgmental, but just like, wow, like, what, none of you guys say you post those traps, and then I had to be like, bitch, you got off your high horse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're out of the third shop era, but I really, I've just been yearning so much for the 20 times recently, like, I just, I have me yearning and fun, and I, I just would love to go back to the photo booth era, selfie, like, confessional girl, like, reading, fame sick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to start reading that and also I took photo booth photos today on my laptop, but they didn't look very good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not kidding, but usually Hannah and I do a preliminary call before this because we know we're going to waste time if we start talking right when we're supposed to start recording.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And while we're talking, Hannah texts me like three selfies and just like, should I post these doesn't say it out loud?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're in the middle of the conversation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She tells me, should I post these?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were kind of clear both of us have selfie face.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If Hannah catches herself in a mirror, her face immediately contorts into a very specific face.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know that I was getting roasted today on this episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I want to avoid sunscreen back to my pool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I'm very sponsored.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A very small minority said revenge, which I'm like, I was hoping I'd get more revenge answers, same with unearth and secret admirers, the people aren't curious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Around a quarter said baiting a specific crush.
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[SPEAKER_00]: nearly half said confidence boost and then 13% said other which both of these responses are from you know queer men and I wanted to read them because they're both great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The first one is seeing something in an image of myself that surprises me in seeming to have a potential angle usually unperceived which often transpires to remain unperceived by others on being posted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that!
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the second one was not baiting a specific crush, but more like checking in on circles of Homo attraction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's also awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Call these are great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is really a W for the gaze today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My main takeaway is like, all right, game end have it figured out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So number five was how often do you fall for a thirst trap?
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[SPEAKER_00]: My yeah, be honest, how often do you fall for a thirst trap?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, from men, uh, not all, well, there's not the men I'm interested in aren't really posting themselves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So almost never,
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[SPEAKER_00]: But like okay, what about one of these like hey guys, I'm nearly single so like this is what my face looks like because I haven't posted a photo of myself since 2017 Like what about one of those pictures?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love when someone just I just love when people I know post like I love when my friends show whole on the internet or even post a selfie It's my favorite thing to ever see but
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[SPEAKER_01]: with men.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean like, no, because I just am very specific with who I'm interested in and so if I'm not interested, like if I'm not thinking about you, I'm not going to be like, oh yeah, this person, it's so rare.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like an Instagramless man personally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I need to just have like one photo on there and it's of like a bug.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But also, I don't, you know, I want to encourage the men of Instagram to get out there and to show whole.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we might not be interested in you and we probably think you're a loser.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I know some girls who like that kind of thing I guess, yeah, someone's on there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and post how you want to be yourselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, please.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the most frequent response from women was that they sometimes fall for a thirst trap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: While the most frequent response from men was that they rarely fall for a thirst trap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, keeping in mind that majority of my female respondents were single versus a smaller percentage of male respondents, which might make for this disparity in responsiveness, but still interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The ladies, the ladies might be generally more susceptible, all the more reason to pose whole.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm better just more sex-negative these days, and that's my take away from this to be honest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're so in like a ladies don't object to play yourself era, and I think it's so boring.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Sam Lovin's is not helping.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's like, yes ladies objectify yourselves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's making everyone more sex-negative, I'm like you're ruining it for everyone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, then question number seven, do you follow anyone specifically for their thirst traps?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna assume your answer is no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, if Adam Freeland posting like his videos and counts as that, but yes, but no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, and maybe that's the thing is that really like, maybe he feels confident enough in his intelligence that he can also allow himself to be objectified, whereas other men are like, you know, they don't want to be just known as a husk, there's something more going on inside of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the same way the same level has ruined it for women.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, so true, and those are two of the how many four horsemen of the apocalypse?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, who are the other two?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Me and your babe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we're taking everyone down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so the majority of respondents did not follow someone specifically for the third straps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, a greater portion of men followed people for the third straps than women.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which makes more sense and following for Thursday's traps was more commonly reported among men who were single or dating, which also makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, the men are saying they don't fall for Thursday's traps, but they follow for Thursday's traps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's just so like, well, no, more men than women follow for Thursday's traps, but it's still the minority of men.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like 34.6% true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and this is including the gaze.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, oh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, question number eight, do you consider a betrayal if your partner likes someone else's their strap?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It depends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I had an ex who, like, there was someone in our mutual circles who she was posting similarly, like, this was back in the, like, 20 times, but like, similarly kind of a serial, diaristic, you know, like, Rd.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nudes, and she's great, like I really like her, but he liked one of her, like, nude photos, and I was like, it's just, like I, that was like, kind of, I think one of the first fights we have, but I was like, it's a little too close to home, like I don't really like when you like it someone's thirst trap who is like in our social circles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and he was like, sorry about that, like, yeah, I won't do that again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If it's just like influencers to be completely honest, I don't care at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, maybe I'll think you're a little bit goony if you follow like a million baddies on Instagram, but like, I don't really care.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think people should be allowed to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: have sexual desire and to find pleasure from where they find pleasure like as long as you're not cheating on me like I don't consider that cheating I don't I don't really care if it's just like a random influencer if I think she's kind of lame that I'm like questioning you know right my self like I like why are you following this lame person like
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're doubting their tastes and therefore like yeah, then I'm like totally It's like when you look at someone's axis and you kind of want them to be cute because you're like well, then I'm cute, you know But no, I have I have a pretty long leash without I don't really care that much
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[SPEAKER_00]: I most of the answers I got were like a large percentage of them were people saying that it was only under certain conditions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if it was someone they had a romantic past with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh totally, yeah, I weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if it was someone that they kind of knew or yeah, if things were weird in the relationship or it was like a pattern of behavior.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Similarly to you, very few people said yes, 26.7% of women did and 7.7% of men said yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The most popular answer for both men and women, though, was no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So our last question, what makes a good therstrap?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the most interesting one for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Final question is that I ask everyone to describe what makes a good therstrap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the responses from all the women and queer men generally touched on the positive qualities that a therstrap can have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So people mentioned confidence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They mentioned creativity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They mentioned technical elements, which I liked, like lighting and posing,
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[SPEAKER_00]: They mentioned good outfits, hot bodies, and sexiness, which would be the key ingredient you would think in a thirst trap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Only a handful touched on things that they didn't want to see in thirst traps, like pretension or dushiness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was generally like positive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On the other hand, there are responses from straight men went in a very different direction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So here's my little word cloud of adjectives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've got implied, coi, deniable, naive, subtle, and unintentional.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, this makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that it's coming from this desire among men for women to be kind of like, demure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that that's an element of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not a mere of personality, but I do think that there's something like or radically charged in the desire from men to women.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, cuinness and unknowingness, and I even had a sexual demeurness, I would say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that men find that when it's like all out there on the table, that's like unattractive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can kind of see that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think that there's something gendered about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think it's like individual men's, like, there's something wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's necessarily why I do think that there's a gendered element to it in, like, expectations of women.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the way that a role like desire is derived from straight men of women.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It makes sense to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think that because of this general culture of like anti-gooning, like this general response to like gooning and simping and like this over-abundance of porn, there is just like a general reaction among men to not be like overtly, horny and thirsty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's like a backlash culture, a counter-cultural mist,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've talked to them, and I know about this, like while you were doing this episode, and that was kind of what I got from them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's interesting when we juxtapose it to the body positivity, kind of a sex positivity era, with that we've talked about in like past episodes, like the Sasha Gray one, where
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was kind of like in like men during the indie series era capitalizing on women's like over sexual Like you know sexuality in this Terry Richardson era of like yeah queen like show it all Like it's it's we've really like kind of swung around from that and I find that interesting There's like a desire among men to kind of like protect their own like sexual urges Yeah, and in some ways I think it's like well-intentioned because it's like yes There isn't abundance of like sexual imagery that doesn't feel like actually tethered to sex or feels very divorced from it
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got that, but then part of it sometimes feels a little bit like stop showing off your body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I almost wonder if it's also this idea of like they want to feel like they're the ones who like discover what is kind of sexy or interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, because you know how women love medium ugly men.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We love to be like, I've discovered that this guy is attractive, and that makes him all the more attractive to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's my little project.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder, it's not quite the same, but if similarly, the idea of not knowing you're posting it, they're struck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That came up a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if men want to be able to look at a picture of a woman and be like, she doesn't even realize that she's so sexy right now, simply by
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[SPEAKER_00]: making eye contact with the camera or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I completely got that, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that the rawdicism is very much tied up in that, in like what you can't see and what you can't have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think, yeah, the element of discovery in it, there's something also cute about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm not saying that it's an inherently negative thing that men answer this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I do think it's kind of like wholesome and cute as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel that way, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, yeah, I go what you're saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I've been thinking a lot about like how we're in this supposed like era of yearning, which I don't actually know if I fully believe is actually happening because I don't really feel like the landscape of like sexual relations between men and women have really shifted that greatly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't think anyone's horny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, but the thing is, is the yearning is supposed to be the replacement of hornyness, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like what Thurse was, maybe to the 2010s, yearning is to the 2020s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's this like long-standing sort of watching someone from a distance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like not the person who likes your Instagram, like story Thurse trap, it's just someone who views it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry to amend that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think anyone's feeling things at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the general like guys it is not being characterized by feeling well i think like people are trying to be like this is the new trend in dating which is like actually just like heavy like liking someone instead of just going on a billion hinged dates basically but they've packed it up as urinating but i do think that perhaps you know if we're thinking about thirst drops that people are drawn to that you know actually are perhaps defined by their
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[SPEAKER_00]: then that might be more like an act of yearning or like some kind of thing related to yearning culture, which I don't necessarily believe in, but I think like in the way that it's being packaged in these think pieces and like trend article forecasts, but like as reflective, I guess, of the more Victorian sexual politics of our current era.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bring back Drake, Dick, Imprint, sweatpants, 2016.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Coachella, whatever happened to be be all drizzy.