Learning from Fire: What Scorched Earth Teaches Us About Renewal through Regeneration

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Ahoy!
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Captain David Gallimore welcomes you aboard the Regenerate Show, live Mondays,
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10 a.m. Pacific on K4HD Radio at K4HD. com. Now, here's
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your host, Captain Dave, your personal regenerator. All aboard!
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Ahoy, friends, and welcome to Episode 30 of the Regenerate Show.
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I'm Captain Dave, your personal regenerator. So this show is
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all about being a safe space for our guests. And
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today I'm going to be my own guest and I'm
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intending to be as vulnerable, true, not performative in the
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stories that I share about the messy middle of my
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own personal professional transformation. I'm not going to be focusing
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on organization today, but more personal and community. These are
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stories we need now more than ever to inspire us
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to grow into our better selves, to improve our health
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and to become more resilient, to better handle all sorts
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of disruption from AI to climate change, to economic and
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political uncertainty. So I point to hope today to provide
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a few simple strategies and tools that you can use
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to become someone who brings more resilience, purpose, authentic energy
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to the people that you love. And when you're ready,
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to our planet, our only ship. So what is regeneration? Well,
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my belief, it's the underlying nature-based framework of the show,
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and it draws from 4.5 billion years of life. And
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I learned to change that number from 3.8 billion after
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one of our guests, Jovan Barnovic, who we had on
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last week. And that's when the earth really became this
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ball But it was the vessel upon which life emerged.
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So I'm changing my, I can, I can be taught
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this old dog can learn new tricks. And so regeneration
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really draws from that original four and a half billion
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years when the planet was really formed. It's about restoring
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vitality across every living system, ourselves, our families, our teams.
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And what I want to talk a bit about is
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our communities today and working together. I believe we can
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move beyond mere sustainable living and In other words, do
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no harm to regenerative living, becoming like a healthy forest,
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nurturing across the seasons, a resilient and abundant life. Not
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just plants, but animals and probably human beings have lived
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in the forests. So regeneration shows up in many forms.
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For example, today I was on a call with my
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dear friend and colleague, Bert Eckert from Belgium. For those
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of you that are just now joining the Regenerate show,
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he was our second guest. back in February, and he's
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an expert in emotional management. But sometimes even experts need
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someone to simply listen and let them know they're seen, heard,
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and loved for who they are. Well, that's the work
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that I got to do today. So I created Regenerate,
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this show to lift up purpose-driven leaders, to connect them
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in bonds of love and adventure, creating, building leadership and impact.
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As a guide, a maritime captain, and a lifelong learner,
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I really feel the privilege that I get to live
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my ikigai, my reason for being, every day. So whether
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you're a longtime crew or joining for the first voyage,
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welcome aboard. I hope you discover something today that changes
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how you see yourself, and especially what's possible to improve
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the health of our people, especially our communities, our planet,
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and I think profit as well. And some of my
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friends that are in the environmental world world, they don't
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like it when I talk about profit, but profit allows
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us to fund the investments that are going to be
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required to be able to become more in harmony with
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our planet. So consider it your role model. And if
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you like this content, share it with others and be
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a teacher of regenerative living. So finally, here's my promise. First,
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we're going to have some fun today. Second, I hope
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to leave you inspired. And third, leave you with just
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one thing you can apply before you sleep tonight. So
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please grab a pen, digital or real, and transformations happen here.
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So our theme today is learning from fire. What scorched
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earth teaches us about renewal through regeneration? So learning from fire.
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But I want to start with a story. So last year,
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July 4th weekend, there were a number of young people
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at Lake Cushman, where we now call home, and they
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were having a great time at a place called Party Rock.
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And every July 4th, people bring fireworks into the national forest.
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So we're in the Olympics, and it's illegal to fire
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fireworks in a national forest for kind of obvious reasons.
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It's often filled with flammable fuels, everything from grasses and
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and bushes all the way up to trees that are
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20 to 25 feet in diameter. I mean, old growth,
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Douglas firs and cedar, they're, they're just majestic. But in
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July in the Seattle area, they're the driest they'll ever be.
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Maybe not quite as dry as they'll be in August,
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but certainly very dry. And so it's just a tender
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or a problem to happen. Last July, some kids were
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shooting off fireworks. And one of the bottle rockets landed
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on a very dry part of a very steep slope.
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Mount Rose is the mountain. And within minutes, that fire
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was raging. It took a few hours, but it climbed
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very quickly and very broadly up to the top of
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Mount Rose. And almost 10 years later, you know, just
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slightly shy of 10 years. So the previous July 4th
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of 2016 was when we had a similar incident where
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young people were firing off fireworks and that triggered Bear
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Gulch Fire number one. And so nearly 10 years later,
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there was Bear Gulch Fire number two. And our cottage
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is only about a mile and a half away. Now, thankfully,
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our son, Ian, excuse me, Gets me all choked up
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just talking about it. Our son Ian and his two
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dogs were here at the cottage at the time. And
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so they were able to be a scout for what
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was going to unfold over the course of several months.
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In hindsight, he put himself at risk. We had several
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discussions about the air quality because a fire that big,
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it actually grew to 22,000 acres. So it was almost
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three times bigger than the 2016 Bear Gulch fire. And
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because of the prevailing winds from the Southwest and the
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fire was Southwest of us, a lot of that smoke
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came into Lake Cushman developments and into our cottage. He's
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a smart man. And so he stayed indoors and he
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had these HEPA filters. So he was able to, maintain
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a reasonable air quality inside the house, inside the cottage.
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But it was absolutely frightening because when you think about it,
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if the prevailing winds were doing what they often will
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do in the wintertime, which is to come rise at
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some 15, 20 miles an hour, gust to 25 miles
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an hour, it doesn't take very long to cover that
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mile and a half with a fire. And it's the embers, apparently,
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as we've been learning over the years, that is the
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biggest risk. So when the wind was blowing the smoke
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away from our cottage, Ian was up on the roof
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and installing different protective measures under the soffits and in
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the venting and in our fireplace. And he had a
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go bag. He was ready in case the authorities requested
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that people leave. On the other side of Lake Cushman,
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the residents were mandated to leave and sadly many lost
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their homes or their structures that they had on the
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other side of the lake. I would say that through
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the ordeal, the Forest Service and I would say it's
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the Department of the Interior, they really responded quickly. We
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had probably more than our fair share of firefighters and
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airplanes that were swooping down and picking up water and
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then taking off again and dropping that water on the fire.
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And they ran sortie after sortie after sortie for weeks.
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So I felt a lot safer. My son felt a
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lot safer because of all of the attention that this
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particular fire was getting. In the 10-year-old version of it,
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Bear Gulch Fire 1, the authorities had way higher by
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a And so ours kept raging. But apparently it was
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just naturally more contained. Not sure why. And it was
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not until that following fall, winter. So that fire went
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the whole winter before it was really put out. Whereas
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this fire, the 2025 fire, it was largely contained before
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the winter snows. The rainy season certainly helped in October
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and November. And then when the snows came in December,
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that's what put the fire out. And my hat's off
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to the amazing people, firefighters on the ground, the community
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that came together. it was really a remarkable outpouring of
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how a community can work together when their collective backs
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are against the wall. That gives me hope for the
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future in terms of how the community came together. And
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my own son, Ian, I'm so proud of him. He
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did a lot to meet the firefighters with water and food.
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He bought dozens of different foods for them and Many
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of them wanted to have some chewing tobacco, so he
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would buy that. Whatever the firefighters needed, he was there
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for them. I just love that about my son. He's
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got a huge heart, but he does something. He makes
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things happen. And on Facebook, boy, I'll tell you, the
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outpouring of love and support was pretty remarkable. I don't
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think I saw any negatives. trolling or any negative comments
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to what was happening. So it was really a great moment,
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I think, for our community that really did come together.
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And like I mentioned just a moment ago, it gives
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me hope that maybe we can work better together when
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we have a common enemy. Can I call it that?
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Certainly fire is one of the scariest things. And you're
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basically only about six minutes away from in a mile
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and a half, given how, how the embers can really
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fly at, at just at the roof, at just at
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the treetops. And that's what catches a fire. So it's,
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it's just an amazing experience. Now, obviously there's a lot
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of ramifications to our community about how do we keep
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the environment safe? I can only imagine how much wildlife
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was lost. You know, mammals and, Insects and, of course,
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all of the trees and shrubbery, grasses and things, and
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the streams that have been polluted from all of that.
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And then not to mention all of the carbon that
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was emitted into the atmosphere. That's going to be adding
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to our carbon footprint up in the atmosphere. That's only
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going to cause even more, in my opinion, in the
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consensus of science around the globe, CO2 and methane are
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two of the gases that are contributing significantly to our
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rising average global temperatures. And we'll put in the show
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notes some of the references to that. So part of
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what I wanted to share next, when we go to our,
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after we come back from our commercial break, I want
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to talk a little bit about, you know, what are
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the lessons from Bayer? How does a scorched earth teach
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us about renewal through regeneration? Rebel, if you'd be so
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kind to just roll the commercial and then we'll be
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right back.
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You're listening to Regenerate with Captain Dave, your personal regenerator
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on K4HD Radio. We'll be right back. Are you feeling overwhelmed?
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Are you ready to regenerate and live the life of
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Let's get back to regenerate right here on K4HD Radio
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for more life-changing transformations. Here's your host, Captain Dave, your
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personal regenerator.
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Welcome back, friends. So if you're just now joining us,
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I'm my own guest today. Brilliant, of course. And I'm
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talking a little bit about now how fire and all
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of the ramifications of fire, what scorched earth, can teach
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us about renewal through generation. And I shared a short story,
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or maybe not so short, of the Bear Gulch fire
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at Lake Cushman in the summer into the fall and
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winter of last year, 2025, and how devastating it was
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and how scary it was, but how the community rallied
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and we came together and a lot of resources to
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the credit of the Interior Department and the local and
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regional and state firefighting community. They brought their A game,
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and I'm so grateful. So I did say before the
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break that we were going to go into some of
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the regenerative lessons learned, but I forgot that I wanted
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to talk briefly about this year's challenges with fire. So
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this summer, fire went planetary. For example, over 267,000 people
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were evacuated from Spain and France in a matter of days.
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And First Nations communities had to be airlifted out of
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northwestern Ontario by the Canadian Armed Forces. And firefighters from Mexico,
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Costa Rica, New Zealand, Australia came across oceans to help
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because no country has enough crews alone. And so when
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it's the winter down under in the southern part of
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our planet, they have firefighting resources that are now freed up.
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And so thankfully they were willing to come and help us.
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And I think the reverse will likely be happening in
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our winter when the fire season is far less and
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we can send our resources to help fight fire in
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New Zealand, Australia, and other parts of the world. So
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smoke is this great equalizer. 345 million people were exposed
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to unhealthy air this summer versus a comparable 2023 season.
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There were over 70,400 deaths reaching people who never saw
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a flame. And that, perhaps, was the biggest awakening that
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I had during our 2025 fire. It's the smoke that
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can kill, not just the flames and the heat. And
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of course, there must have been millions of animals that
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lost their lives, an unknown number. And we often don't
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get to grieve those losses because we don't see those animals,
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those insects. So not everything is a record, but it's
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volatility and it's a rising baseline, longer, fiercer fire seasons.
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Communities that have never before evacuated are now doing so routinely.
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And so it's my prediction, And I hate to be
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the Dave Downer about this, but I do believe that
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this is going to be more of our future. And
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so we can either be Pollyanna about it and not
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be aware of all of the real risks. We can
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just own and keep living lives. But fire doesn't care
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if you're beautiful or ugly, if you're wealthy or poor,
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if you're stupid or ignorant or just, want to be
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an ostrich and put your head in the sand, it'll
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kill you. So Mother Nature doesn't really have an emotion
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about this. We do when we get impacted by it.
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But yeah, Mother Nature, she's going to do what she's
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going to do. And we can either be realists and
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then do something about what's likely going to be our future,
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or we're going to have a really, really hot and
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dangerous fire season. And it's going to be basically... 24-7
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around the globe, because when it's our summer, the risks
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will be in the Northern Hemisphere. And when it's the
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Southern Hemisphere summer, the risks are going to be down under.
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So the question that I've been thinking about for this
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show is, what does fire teach us about renewal? Fire
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exists in nature before men and women figured out how
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to take a flint and a rock and create a spark.
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or before we rub sticks together to create heat, which
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then turned into flames. So Mother Nature had invented fire,
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you know, hundreds of millions of years. Let's just say
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we were born from fire, the crucible, 4.5 billion years,
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according to Javan. So fire is just part of nature.
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So with renewal... what I understand after doing a little
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bit of research a few years ago is you've got
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trees that have serotonin cones. So the jack pine, the
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lodge pole, they only open and become what they were
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meant to become, a tree. inflames heat. So they actually
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are designed, they come to life only in fire. And
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the fire following after the devastation where plants and grasses
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and trees have been consumed by the fire, the first
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life that starts to emerge are wildflowers. Weeds, you might
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call them, but many in the forest are really beautiful wildflowers.
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And they provide the beginning of that nutrient cycle. And
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because the tree canopy has been cleared, so that light
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now is available to those nascent plants. And so they thrive.
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And apparently the ash is a pretty good soil nutrition,
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soil nutrient. So the destruction and the renewal are part
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of the same event, but they're just on different timelines.
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We also know that, um, there have been peoples, the
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indigenous peoples from around the globe that really used fire effectively.
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I think good fire, if you want to call it that.
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So they did cultural burning, you know, tens of thousands
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of years of stewarding the land with fire rather than
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against it. Now they had that opportunity to use fire to,
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you know, clear the path, if you will, and regenerate
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with new life, new plants, new animals, because they were
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more nomadic and they could move away from the fire
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that they might have set purposely to clear the forest
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so that when they came back in a few years,
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it would be more plentiful with new life, new berries,
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new foods to be able to hunt and gather from.
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So a century of us now, recently, sophisticated, developed world
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citizens where we have chosen to suppress fire for a
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lot of very good reasons, right? Many more rural communities
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now have homes and businesses and factories and solar farms.
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I suspect that there'll be data centers that are going
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to be built in places that are might not be
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the best places to build them, but the land is
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cheap and so they're going to build them. But the
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fuel load has been building in that century of allowing
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human beings to control the environment rather than letting the
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environment do what it has done for millennia. And so
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with all of that increase in fuels, we're basically feeding
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these megafires. And this is part of why I'm so
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attracted to regeneration is we human beings acting outside of nature,
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thinking that we can control nature. I think we're waking
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up to the fact that as much as we would
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like to control nature, nature is going to do what
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nature is going to do. And so it's a lesson
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of what happens when we serve ourselves and sever ourselves
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from nature's logic. And so what's fascinating to me, it
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takes a little bit of humility, but Primitive, when old
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white guys like myself talk about, oh, how sophisticated I am,
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the sophisticated practice is really the one that's doing the harm.
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The primitive practice or the indigenous practice, I think that's
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more accurate, more respectful. The indigenous practice is much more
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aligned with nature's logic and not severed from other nurturers.
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So from forests to humans, this idea of regeneration, um,
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there's this pattern where nature runs after catastrophe and she
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doesn't rebuild the same. She rebuilds healthier and more diverse
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and therefore more resilient. Isn't that interesting? So I've seen
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this when our family has gone on hikes, um, not
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just after Barragulge fire number one, but also Barragulge fire
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number two, um, the forest is just alive with life
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and that's very exciting. And it's accelerated the death of
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the older growth that just was not serving the greater
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good in the forest. Now there's still a lot of
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old growth trees that have survived. Yay us. And that's nature, right?
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Calling through the herd, if you will, or using evolution, um,
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those plants and animals that can adapt faster, they're going
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to thrive as a result of that catastrophe. So regeneration
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is not sustainability, right? Sustainability is holding steady. You sustain
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a note, that is not moving forward. Whereas a regenerative
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approach is leaving the system more alive than nature found
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it at the beginning. And so When you think about
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fires and how it relates to us as individuals, we
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have our identity, we have our view of the world,
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our roles, we hang on to these identities as certainties.
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But sometimes the world is changing around us, isn't it?
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We know that from just picking up the news or
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watching social media. And just like the dinosaurs, died off
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because they were not able to adapt. My belief is
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that we human beings, should we choose not to adapt
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fast enough, there's no guarantee that we'll be on the planet.
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Mother Nature, again, this is the sixth life-changing epoch. There
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have been five previous epochs where about a third of
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life has been killed off. in ice ages or in
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fire so this is our sixth one of these and
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we know that we're in a receding ice age so
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that we know you know mother earth is just getting
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warmer based on her cycle as she's orbiting around our
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sun and and our sun is orbiting around other celestial
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bodies so it's kind of that perfect storm that seems
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to be happening at this time in our history on
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earth We've got Mother Earth getting warmer on her own.
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And then we human beings, based on the science that
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I've read, and I do believe it, that we human
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beings have our finger on the scale and we're accelerating
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these changes. So we have an opportunity to look at
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our identities, look at our lifestyles and say, hmm, how's
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that going? How's that working out? And what do we
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need to burn? What do we need to shed? What
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do we need to allow to emerge? And that's really
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why I gave up the corporate crazy back in January
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of 2022. My identity, and Javan and I talked about
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this a little bit last week in our episode around
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regeneration and living your values, designing your life rather than
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life designing you, and And I told a story about
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how my identity was so tied to my income and
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my title and what company brand, you know, IBM or
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Boeing or Capgemini or T-Mobile. My identity was wrapped up
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in all of that. Certainly my identity was also greatly
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influenced by my family. I do everything because of wanting
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to serve and support my family. And thankfully, um, My
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wife feels the same, and so we've never been more
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aligned on how do we help ourselves and our children
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by strengthening and nurturing, regenerating, if you will, our family.
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By the way, Margaret returned from several months up in
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Alaska supporting our daughter Catherine with her, Margaret's and my Granddaughter, Daisy,
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who's just a ball of fire, unintended, and helping our daughter, Catherine,
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prepare for the birth of our second grandchild, Calvin, who
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has 10 fingers and 10 toes, big old head of hair,
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and healthy lungs. So he's peeing and pooping and just
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what one-month-olds should be doing. So Margaret's returned, and I'm
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so grateful. If you're listening... Maggie, I'm so grateful, more
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than you even can know. Because when you are doing
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a lot of what your best friend and partner also does,
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everything from project work with us, my son and I,
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as well as shopping and cooking and cleaning, and she's
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an amazing chef, but she's also a creator. And it's
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been fun since she returned on Monday to see her
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regenerate her own spaces and create her own new habits
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and new rituals now that we're at this location rather
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than at our old home at Dashpoint. So I'm really,
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really grateful that our family is together and never been closer.
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So I'm a bit of an optimist about this. I
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do think that regeneration in real life is a thing,
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but it's not a solo act. So If you think
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about the Spain and France and other parts of the globe,
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I think the Canadians, they had a very difficult time
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as well. You know, devastation, it crosses borders and so
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did the help. So resilience, you know, this is a
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regenerative truth. Resilience is really a shared capacity we build
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together person by person, like my son, who was helping
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the firefighters the best that he knew, meeting them where
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they were, the community that came together. And at the
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end of the day, we are better together. So I
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want to leave you with three things to think about
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that hopefully you're inspired from this conversation to maybe take
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a step or two. So the first thing is selfish,
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but I frame this in the light of putting my
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own mask on first. which is what you've probably been
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hearing whenever you get onto an airplane before it takes off.
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They remind us to put an oxygen mask on first. Why?
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Because if there isn't any oxygen in the airplane and
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there's a crisis and you're trying to serve everybody else,
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it's not going to be a few more tenths of
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a second before you passed out and now you're no
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good to anybody, especially yourself. So building that resilience before
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the fire, build resilience before the fire. I think is hard.
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It's simple. It's a simple idea, but it's not easy.
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So what does that mean to build resilience before the fire? Well,
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it's really taking a hard look at our health. And
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are we doing the things day to day that are
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regenerating us, renewing us, recharging us, or are we on
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the work, work, work treadmill that so many Americans are on?
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And in my conversation with Barrett, He was telling me that, yeah,
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in Europe, they have a very different view of vacation.
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It's not like a long weekend and then they're back
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to work, crazy, crazy hours. They'll take a month off.
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And he and his wife and family took six weeks off,
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which he said that was a little bit too long
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for him. I can appreciate that. But if you do
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get your vacation time and you don't take it because
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you're building it for some future need, The research is
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really clear that that's probably not serving your health. Secondly,
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building resilience is understanding what your why, what your purpose,
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your meaning in your life. And we've talked about this
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topic several times, starting with the first episode with Matthew
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Graham and rewiring identity, but having a clear why and
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purpose and meaning in rewiring my identity. And we've talked
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at length about purpose and why with core values. That
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was about four or five episodes ago. And then most recently,
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the ikigai, the reason for being. What are you gifted at?
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What are you passionate about? What does the world need?
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And what can you be well compensated? And I include
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in that compensation freedom and inner peace and community, if
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those are values for you. as well as for me,
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not just money, not just medical insurance or bonuses or
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some of that financial wealth, but wealth in the broader
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sense of inner peace and freedom, which I think many
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of us are sorely lacking. I feel grateful that I
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have found that again. And I'm so grateful for my wife, Margaret,
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and our family supporting me in doing that. So another
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of these next actions that you could consider taking is
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within your family, your team at work, or if you're
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at a nonprofit or a team that you might be on,
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or like a sports team that you're on when you're
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not working, is this idea of regenerative leadership. So making
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decisions that leave people and place and profit, I think
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all three of those need to come together. And some
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even add purpose, a fourth circle in the Venn diagram
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that need to come together to create more thriving in
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those teams and organizations and to design the organization, the
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environment to be able to adapt going back to the dinosaurs.
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One of the reasons that they perished is they were
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not able to adapt to the climate change after that
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huge meteor struck the planet and created basically almost an
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instantaneous winter. I don't know that anybody could have adapted
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to that. But this idea that if we don't kind
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of think about how might we adapt, like what Ian
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did with covering holes in our infrastructure at the cottage
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that would allow embers to come in, if we don't
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proactively adapt our environment, then we're really at the beck
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and call of those embers. Those embers are going to
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do what they're going to do. And if we haven't
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done anything to mitigate that risk, then they have reentry
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into all the little holes and crooks and crannies. And
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once those embers get inside your structure, there's a lot
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of flammable material, a lot of accelerant in our homes
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that then just cause them to burst into flames. So
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it's not just about efficiency. It's also about how do
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we adapt. And then finally, at a planet and community level,
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how could we provide mutual aid as a way of life.
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So how many of you know your next door neighbors?
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I'm guilty of this as somebody who was a road
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warrior and working all the time. I didn't really nurture
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relationships with my next door neighbors. And yet, if you
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believe as I do now that we're better together in
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the event of, say, an earthquake in the Seattle area
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or a fire, God forbid, you know, who's got what resources?
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So many of our neighbors were grateful to know that
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we at 23,000 gallons in a pool, not for drinking water,
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but for other purposes that they might need. And certainly
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we could boil the pool water to create fresh water.
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So knowing the local resources, knowing your environment, what's happening
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with the streams, the rivers, the lakes, and knowing the
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capabilities of each of our neighbors, ourselves as well, those
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small compounding acts that can buy time for us to adapt.
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So in closing, yes, fire is incredibly scary and it's devastating.
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And for those that have lost lives, their loved ones
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who have lost their favorite pets, their property, my heart
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goes out to you. And I feel like our family
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dodged a really big fiery bullet. So for next week,
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next show, We're going to be continuing to talk about regeneration.
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And I can't wait to see you next Monday at
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10 a.m. Pacific, 1 p.m. Eastern, 6 p.m. CET on k4hd. com
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or on your favorite podcast platforms just a few days later.
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So check out our website, theregeneratepodcast.com. Thank you for investing
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your valuable time. And on behalf of Rebel Medler, our producer,
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bless you, Rebel, again, And our Talk4Media team, stay healthy,
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stay safe. We need you. We're better together. Now let's
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go regenerate.
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Thank you for listening to Regenerate with Captain Dave on
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K4HD Radio. We invite you to give yourself grace and
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embrace the messy middle. See you every Monday at 10 a.m.
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Pacific time. Until then, you got this. Thank you.