EXPLICIT Books Are Being Marketed to Teenagers?! | The Disturbing Adultification of YA Books: Part One

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The amount of times I've seen like romance books that look cutesy, and then I open them.
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The pumpkin spice cafe.
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That is a key example of that.
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That pissed me off so much.
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So shocking.
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I mean, like at 16, we are doing those things.
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Correct.
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Oh yeah.
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But at 13, you're not.
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The writers are writing it for the older audience, but they're trying to market it for the younger audience for some reason, which I'm like, I don't get it.
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I think there's a pull for an older audience to market like as a YA.
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I don't know.
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I'm not gonna go in the YA section.
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Welcome back to Plato Squeeze where we sit, flip, and spill the tea.
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I'm Susanna.
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I'm Cass.
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And I'm Beth.
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So today's drink of the episode is a nice apple sangria.
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So good.
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Yeah, it's kind of an apple cider sangria mix.
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It's one that you can't taste the alcohol in.
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It's very dangerous.
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Yeah.
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Very dangerous, very fall-ish, and I'm gonna have sugar all over my lips.
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I know I was just thinking that I took a sip and I was like, hmm, crystals everywhere.
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But yeah.
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It's another one made with Cass's wedding wine.
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Yes.
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And it actually is good.
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It's good.
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It does, right?
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The white one's not the worst of the two.
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So I soaked the wine with the apple, and then also did honey, sugar, and cinnamon mixture.
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I melted it all down, put it all together, and let that sit for like the last 24 hours.
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So I know, right?
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I wouldn't know where to do it.
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So, and then I got some like actual homemade apple cider.
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Put that into it.
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Yum.
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Yeah.
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It's very good.
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Enjoy us.
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We're all in plaid, so it's very on on brightness.
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We're going with the fall theme today.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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No one in the comments saying it's not fall yet.
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You'll be like, well, it doesn't start until September 22nd.
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Fall is always here.
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Yeah, but if you start at September 22nd, like if it doesn't matter, Christmas starts in November.
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And technically, winter doesn't start until December 21st.
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There's the official dates, and then there's my dates in my heart.
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Fall starts in August.
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Mid August.
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A lot of people does, yeah.
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October.
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I just it's my favorite season, so I do want it to last longer.
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What is fall?
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Yeah.
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Oh, I know.
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It's perfect.
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Uh fall fest starts this weekend.
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Oh, there you go.
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Yeah.
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See, we're not the only one.
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See?
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Yeah.
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See, we're not alone.
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Alright.
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What is it?
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What about it?
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It looks like it's gray again.
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Is that whatever you use on?
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Oh, it's probably my your shimmery.
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No, I think it's the.
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You know what it is?
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It's my bronzer.
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It's a cream, but I think it doesn't dry enough before I I gotta change up my makeup routine.
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It just looks like you were rubbing noses with Edward.
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Colin?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, because it's very white and sparkly.
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He's not my preferred one, but I'll take, I'll take either of them.
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Okay.
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Today we have a topic that's gonna require a lot of nuance, but before we jump into it, uh, what are we all reading?
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Susie and I are definitely reading the same book.
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I'm not.
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Immortal Heart by Alexandra Bracken.
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Immortal Rose.
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Jeez.
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Immortal Rose by Alexandra Bracken.
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Love it.
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A lot of people in the book club are really liking it.
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Get past the prologue because that was rough, but it's good after that.
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I'm still trying.
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It's not really your type of book.
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It's not, but I'm I'm still trying.
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Can we please have appreciation moment for the edges of that book though?
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So pretty.
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I feel like the Girl Off Jeopardy.
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I get that reference now.
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But I haven't started reading our book of the month yet.
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September 7th.
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I know.
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It's just been, I think, with all of like the prepping for school and daycare and end of summer lot.
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It's just been, yeah.
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I feel like I haven't had any time.
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My kids don't let me read.
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But I'm still working on A Shadow and the Reaping by Brynn Weaver, which isn't has been very enjoyable.
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I just maybe have been getting like one to two chapters in a day.
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I thoroughly love her writing.
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I know.
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I know.
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It's not even a super long book, so the fact that it's taken me this long just shows you how little I've actually been reading.
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Maybe I will get to catch up.
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Maybe Beth.
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Maybe.
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Probably not though.
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What are you at?
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What?
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What is what are you at right now?
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What are you at?
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Uh percentage?
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Yeah.
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No, no.
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What how many books have you read this year so far?
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It's like a little follow-up date.
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I stopped looking.
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I'm reading for the enjoyment, Susanna.
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No, you're not.
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You're just a shade.
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Sadness over there.
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They just updated their layout and I'm loving it.
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Fable?
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Yeah.
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Look at the library.
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Your library.
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Oh, I've seen that.
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Yeah.
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I'm not a fan.
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I went 69.
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Six.
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Wow.
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Wow.
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Mine's loading.
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I've read 43.
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Okay.
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Now you guys got for me.
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Y'all got to guess what mine's at.
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Uh oh, I haven't actually checked recently.
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I'm gonna say I'm gonna say 86.
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Oh no.
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Come on, why do you have to shoot higher?
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I'm gonna say 78.
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I was actually gonna say 83, and then I was worried I was gonna lowball you.
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So it's 82.
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Although my my reader summary is different.
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I've never had this one before.
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Hope maker, your daring reading list includes fantasy, dystopian, and adventures.
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In these pages, you have discovered revolutionary hope and courage in times of change.
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Mines turn to daring romantic.
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As you read passionate romance and twisty thrillers, you find dangerous loves lurking in your stories.
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With these books, you've expanded your perspective with complex relationships.
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Dang, they must have updated their like things.
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Mine is very on brand right now.
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Mine is twist sharer.
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Twists follow you around from book to book.
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You've discovered dark secrets and psychological thrills, deepening your understanding of human nature.
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Nice.
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We have a little bit of housekeeping to update you guys with today.
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So we are gonna have some events out in the wild coming up.
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I was sweeping.
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I was literally thinking I'm gonna put some sweeping sound effects.
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But it looks video, and then you start giving the motion.
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It looked like I was shoveling.
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From the from like the like periphery, I was like, oh, we mow it.
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Oh my god.
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Jump.
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October 17th, we will be doing our well attending Dreadcon in Burlington, Ontario as VIPs for that event.
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We'll also be going, we're actually a sponsor for Pages and Pleasures, which is running in Ancaster on November the 14th.
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Uh, you can get your tickets for those now, by the way.
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We'll have a link.
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Yeah, but we are gonna be a sponsor for the Pages and Pleasures event.
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So the first one is November 14th, Ancaster, Ontario.
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The second one is December the 5th in Hamilton, Ontario.
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And they also are doing a fantasy ball that's not necessarily linked to the book fair on the Saturday, but if you'd like to join for that as well, we will also be there because stoked.
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We are fulfilling Suzy's prom bucket list.
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Her bucket list because she didn't get a good prom or didn't go to prom.
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I didn't go to prom.
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Yeah.
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And also I've been sending you guys fantasy balls for a while.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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So we'll have all those events.
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Yeah, and we'll have those linked down below if you'd like to buy tickets to any of those events.
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And we will have a fun little giveaway that's gonna be coming up for one of one of those as well.
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So keep your eyes peeled.
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For the Ancaster one, and I believe the December one, there are the VIP ticket options, which gets you into the venue for I think it's an hour beforehand.
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And you also receive like a little goodie bag filled with bookish things.
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And yeah.
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Yeah, it sounds like a lot of fun.
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Yeah.
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We're excited.
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Excited.
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Keep an eye out.
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Keep an eye out.
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We got things coming.
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Or ear.
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Yeah.
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Or your ear.
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Your ears open.
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Keep your eyes open and your ears also open.
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Wait.
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Yes.
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Turned on.
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All right.
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Anyways, let's get into the episode.
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When you walk into the young adult section of a bookstore, what do you assume the word young means?
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Because the publishing industry generally uses YA for books written for teenagers.
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And we've had some people kind of come at us in the comments over what we've dis like we've said YA is.
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Yeah.
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And it's like, I'm not the one who's decided what YA is.
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I'm just saying what I was told.
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Exactly.
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Or even what we grew up with, like being YA.
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Yeah, but I think it's definitely changed.
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Evolved.
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Yes.
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It has changed.
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They have new categories for everything.
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But the American Library Association's Young Adult Division works with an age range of roughly 12 to 18.
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But in practice, YA has started to mean a lot of different things.
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It can mean a book written for teenagers.
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It can mean an adult book with a 19-year-old protagonist.
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Hello, Avatar.
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Sure.
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It can mean a fantasy romance with a cartoon cover.
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It can mean a book that adults happen to enjoy.
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That confusion would be mildly annoying if we were only arguing over bookstore shelving.
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So many people use the reading to like decide what books they're going to read.
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Librarians use it, teachers use it, teenagers use it.
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A 13-year-old who sees a book marketed as YA has been told something about who that book was made for.
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So these labels mean something.
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So in today's video, if you can't tell from the title, we are going to be talking about the disturbing adultification of YA books.
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Do you like how I said that word, right?
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Disturbing adultification was very good of you.
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Thank you.
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Those were two big words put together.
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Disturbing's not a big word.
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What do you think I am?
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When you combine things.
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I mean, you just you just like blade before that.
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So sometimes when you have words like that beside a bigger word, they can yeah.
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My throat's very dry right now, so I apologize if I sound annoying.
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This is alcohol, it's a little bit more than a little bit.
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No, it's not.
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There's water in there, ice cubes in it.
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It's hydrating, it's healthy.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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There's grapes and apples in there.
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It's basically a fruit salad.
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Yeah.
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We're talking about that.
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We're talking about explicit spice adult romances being recommended to teenagers.
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Innocent or illustrated covers that conceal the tone of the book.
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The amount of times I've seen like romance books that look cutesy, and then I open them.
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The pumpkin spice cafe.
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That is a key example of that.
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That pissed me off so much.
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So shocking.
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I should have done my research before that.
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I bought it because it like it looked cute.
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Cutesy.
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All of them are the same.
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Because don't they, isn't there like a series of like Yeah.
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There's like a Christmas.
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It looks like a Hallmark book or Hallmark movie in a book.
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It's definitely not that.
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It's very much not.
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So basically, that's it.
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And the idea that a novel becomes YA simply because its protagonist is young.
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Disclaimer time.
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Before anyone hears the first 30 seconds, actually, it's more like 12 minutes of this video.
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Um begins typing.
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This is not a book banning episode.
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We're not about censorship here, so don't get that twisted.
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And we're not saying teenagers can't read about sex, so on and so forth.
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All these different ideas and themes.
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YA should not have to become adult in order to keep adults interested.
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Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
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Okay.
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Quick disclaimer.
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Dis disclaimer.
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Disclaimer.
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This is what I get for bash zero.
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I literally thought it was my fault.
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I looked to see if I made a spell mistake.
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Did I miss the C in there?
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Oh.
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We usually record on Sundays, but now that we're in our season two and things have changed in all of our lives, we're recording on a Monday.
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So I think we're all just really thrown off right now.
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I'm really thrown off, yeah.
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I feel fine.
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I mean for you, Beth.
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I don't feel fine.
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We're all just a mess.
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I think it was gonna be like a just a straight chaotic mess for the next month, anyways.
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No.
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But yeah, the disclaimer is we're talking sexual content.
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We're talking about the sexual content.
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Without sexual content that involves possible minors, but we're gonna be nuanced about it.
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So if none of those things align with what you can handle, please skip.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Don't come in the con con The comment section and harass us.
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Holy cow.
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We have some questions that I'm gonna ask you guys.
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So when you see young adult printed on a book or displayed on a bookstore shelf, what do you assume that label is promising you about the intended reader and the content inside?
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I'm gonna assume, obviously, teenagers.
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Yes.
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Under 20.
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I was gonna say for me, it'd be yeah, it'd be like a teenager, usually high school age, would be at least the one of the, if not both the main characters.
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I'm gonna also say there's gonna be some maybe closed-door romance, but also slightly open.
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Because if we're gonna be honest, but I guess it depends on what age we're talking.
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It's hard.
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It's so hard because when I was like obviously 16, 15, 16, I was in the YA section.
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I was reading books with some spice in it.
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Even back then?
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Oh yeah.
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Like, well, I guess VC Andrews wasn't technically YA.
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No.
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But there was a light spice.
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I would say more of like a like I think you kind of said like a semi-closed door.
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There was like hot scenes in the backseat of a car, but not all the way.
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Yeah, like hand over the pants kind of idea.
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Yeah, the you know, they're figuring out.
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I mean, like at 16, we are doing those things.
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Correct.
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Oh, yeah.
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So that's but at 13, you're not.
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No, and I think that's the problem, like I was gonna say, I think that like it doesn't seem like a big age jump, but when you're in those developmental years, 12 to 18 is so different.
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Even like 12 to like 14 and 12 to 16.
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Yeah, okay, but okay, what I know we've talked about this before and I very much forget.
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What is the age gap for YA technically considered?
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12 to 18.
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12 to 18, yeah.
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Yeah, but I don't know if that's been changed because there's also new adult as well that came out, right?
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Yes.
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Yeah, but I thought new adult was like uh it was 18 to like 21.
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Yeah, something like that.
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Uh well 18 to 29, but said most for YA or new adult new adult.
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Oh, that means I'm not a new adult.
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So they said they target they target 18 to 29, but the focus is 18 to 25.
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Okay.
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So 12 to 18 is young adult.
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Is what and YA is 12 to 18 still.
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Yep.
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Okay.
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That's a big jump.
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That is a big jump.
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And then we also need like and I think there are and I think the issue too is that there are.
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There are authors series stories that are preteen that I would say is like a like a 10 to 13 age range, where there's like there's no spoys, spoise, there's no spice, they're interested in boys, and it's very much like the middle school dances go on, you know what I mean?
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Like that type of thing without the spicy moments.
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We could also get into, I know this is more centered around possibly spice, but like Hunger Games was technically YA, but there's some pretty dark themes in there for like I think it's the other thing too, right?
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Is like not necessarily that YA has spice, but YA can have some very dark stuff in it.
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I will even say like Harry Potter as well has some pretty dark themes.
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Like his parents were murdered.
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Yeah, there's this dark force that like is trying to kill him.
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Cold Wars cricket Robert Paddington movie, whatever his name is, he died.
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Yeah.
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So we we with all being sick went in to do a like a Harry Potter marathon and remember saying to Zach being like, I'm okay with the kids watching the first Harry Potter.
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They get dark after that.
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They start they do start to get dark because I get like first seconds fine.
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Oh no, because it's got the basilisk.
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Yeah.
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For like a three, four-year-old.
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Yeah.
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Like I took, I remember taking my three-year-old cousin to see Ratatouille, and he had nightmares after that.
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Ratatouille?
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Ratatouille.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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Something about the bad guy in it just freaked him right out.
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The chef.
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I was just like, my aunt was like, what happened in this movie?
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And I'm like, there's this rat, and he makes pasta.
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He's like so confused.
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But you just never know like what's gonna like upset a child, yeah.
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And so he had had like a nightmare.
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But yeah, like I was playing the same exact.
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I was like, and we have our almost four-year-olds watching Harry Potter.
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And I was like, Harry Potter's creepy in the as they get they get going.
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I was like, I would watch the first one on rerun at his age right now, and I think you're okay because it's magical.
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Yeah, he's also he's also a Scorpio.
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He is, yeah.
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He loves the scary things, like that maze that I had to take him through again on Halloween.
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That was pre that was creepy.
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Things jump out at you, and he was like, Wow.
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Like uh at Costco yesterday, like they had like the huge animatronic gargoyle and Dracula, and he's like, I want to touch it.
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Yeah, and I was like, Yeah, okay, go for it.
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Meanwhile, Ainsley, the last time we were there, freaked out, yeah.
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She did, and then we couldn't even be in the vicinity.
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If she could see them, she was crying.
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Wow.
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Oh, Ainsley.
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I was the kind of kid that like the soundtrack from Nemo.
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There's a certain song in Nemo in the soundtrack.
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My mom used to put it on a night for me, and I would skip it because it would make me scared.
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That's the kind of person I am.
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So I'm with Ainsley.
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The first part that I want to get into is how we have to establish that YA is technically not a genre in the same way that fantasy, mystery, horror is.
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YA is an age category, it's a categorization of who should be reading that book.
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That means they're supposed to be published with teenage readers in mind.
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Hi.
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Beth.
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Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys.
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Some of those are actually pretty creepy.
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Are they?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, the Hardy Boy definitely, well, because it's like all supernatural stuff.
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Yeah.
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The Hardy Boys.
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The Hardy Boys, I definitely found maybe a little bit darker than Nancy Drew, but Nancy Drew, some of her stories actually surprise me.
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I used to play the computer games.
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I actually have them on my PC upstairs.
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I'm talking the OG.
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I watched the show.
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They have a show.
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There was a very brief run of it.
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Yep.
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There was a movie.
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I would say, like, if the protagonist in the book is 17, people will think it's supposed to be a YA, like Finding 13, for example.
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The characters are younger, but that book is not meant for YA.
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So I I bit the bullet and I signed up for Fable Plus.
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Oh, you did?
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Congratulations.
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Did I miss that?
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I secretly did it.
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You didn't let us know?
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No.
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Like that's big news.
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It was kind of an accident.
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I signed up for the seven-day trial to see if it was actually that different, and then I forgot to cancel it.
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But it is that different.
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Um I haven't really been on there recently, so I know I've been bad on it.
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But but then you it could you could kind of do like a deep dive into a little bit of like your your reading.
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And so one of the things that you could go into is like start to look into a little bit more of like the genres and things that you like you're reading.
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And it said I'd read five YA books, and I was like, What?
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This is where it gets sticky.
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But I know binding 13 was one of them.
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Yeah.
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Because that was some something that we had talked about because someone had put in like they're like, Oh, like give me a list of YA books that are like are marketed as YA, but they're not actually YA.
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And someone's like binding 13, and like someone else was arguing be like, no, that's not marketed as YA.
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And I'm like, it's literally in the Fable app as YA as YA, which is nuts to me.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I haven't read it, but I've heard that it definitely has darker themes.
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The age group for YA is 12 and 18.
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12 year olds should not be reading binding 13.
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No, but an 18-year-old could handle it.
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Exactly.
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An 18-year-old could, but 12 could not, and that's crazy.
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That's wild to me.
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That's probably because the the girl in it is younger, like 16.
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They're 16, they're high schoolers.
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I know, but from 12 to 16 is also a huge jump.
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I know.
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Age-wise and maturity-wise.
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I have sugar already.
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Truly.
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So sorry to the viewers for my sugar lips?
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Yeah.
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So it says I've had I have seven YA books now.
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And it includes Destroy Me and Shatter Me.
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What?
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Yeah.
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I mean, Shatter Me is not there, it's not explicit.
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So Binding 13, The Kingdom of the Feared, Kingdom of the Cursed, Kingdom of the Week, Wicked.
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Those are the two.
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Those are all YAs.
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Yeah, and not quite dead yet.
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That one makes sense to me.
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That one does, yeah.
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The other ones are like, especially Kingdom of the Curse, that's spicy.
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Yeah.
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The last one's real spicy.
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Yeah, all three of them, YA.
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But she's a teenager in that too.
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That like it makes me feel like YA is categorized because the protagonists or the characters in that book are younger.
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But if that's classification for YA, then it by Stephen King is YA.
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Instance Around the House is narrated by an eight-year-old.
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Yep.
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That's YA.
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There's no way.
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I can't even handle that.
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One of our members in our book club, I think it was the one who's like, she asked if she should read it.
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I'm pretty sure she said she DNF'd it.
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Because of the writing?
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No, because she found it too scary.
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Oh.
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There's a study by HarperCollins and Nielsen, and they found that 74% of YA readers were adults, and 28% were over 28.
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Adults are not wrong for reading YA, and we're adults that read YA as well.
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Apparently.
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Some people have said that they like YA because there's no spice.
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If they're looking for well, there's supposed to be no spice.
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Yeah.
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At the same time, like because most of the YA or the people that are reading YA are adults, I feel like publishers have a very obvious financial incentive to tailor their books to attract adults.
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Right.
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Like they buy a lot more books than younger teenager would because their parents are not gonna buy them as many books as like we buy ourselves.
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Right.
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Are adults enjoying a category built for teens, or is the category being rebuilt around adults while keeping the teen label because it sells?
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That one.
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The second one?
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Yeah, I think so.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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I don't like that.
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No, well, I mean it's not right, but like when I was a teenager in the YA section, like we had books like um Twilight.
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Twilight, which is definitely YA.
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We had It's too YA for me.
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I need I want it I want some action.
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You love Twilight.
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I do love Twilight, but I wish there was more.
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They broke a bed.
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What more do you need?
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That was so.
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But Twilight, okay, pissed.
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But when you read Twilight, that altered your brain chemistry when you were that young.
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Now exactly.
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That's why I think rereading it is just not something you ever should do.
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I ruined it for myself.
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Yeah, like you need to keep it in its respectful place in your memory of how it made you feel.
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I agree.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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But then the Mortal Instruments was also YA, and there was like close-door rope from what I remember in there.
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And those were when we were teenagers.
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I feel like there was more teenage appropriate books in that section, whereas now it's definitely crossed some lines.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Got some more questions for you guys to answer here.
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So I'm ready.
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Do adult readers sometimes criticize teenage characters for behavior?
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Like teenagers.
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I actually recently have noticed more people complaining that teenage aged characters are not behaving like teenagers.
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Yes.
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Now that I think about it, just recently that's something that's kind of come up where it's like they seem too mature or too too mature for their age.
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Yeah, like how they act, how they respond, the things they say.
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Like the teenager's gonna say that.
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I've said it myself.
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I'm like, this does not seem like a teenager would say this.
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Like binding 13.
00:22:31.279 --> 00:22:32.960
Yeah, they're not gonna think like that.
00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:33.279
Yeah.
00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:35.519
We got that in when we read Forbidden Alchemy.
00:22:35.680 --> 00:22:41.119
People were saying that she was written too much older than she was, but I think that was more circumstantial with like she had to grow up.
00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:45.200
Both of them you have kind of like yeah, a harsher world, different lives.
00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:48.319
And I do think a lot of kids do grow up faster if you lived in that.
00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:50.799
But then Jet in Not Quite Dead Yet.
00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:52.319
You also have to think and Hunger Games.
00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:57.680
Katniss literally was like out hunting, like looking after her family, dealing with like the black market.
00:22:58.079 --> 00:22:58.799
Yeah, as well.
00:22:58.880 --> 00:22:59.039
Yeah.
00:22:59.279 --> 00:22:59.519
Right?
00:22:59.599 --> 00:23:08.400
Like she definitely seemed way above like beyond her years, but again, like different worlds in not quite dead yet was written much younger than what her age was.
00:23:08.799 --> 00:23:13.039
She seemed way more juvenile, yeah, than the what was she, 29 or something?
00:23:13.200 --> 00:23:13.920
Like yeah.
00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:16.400
So you find if she's 29 and you're like, what?
00:23:17.119 --> 00:23:18.079
It's really hard.
00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:24.720
Like some books that are written for teenagers and have teenage protagonists, yeah, adults will read them and be like, they're juvenile, but like what do you expect?
00:23:24.799 --> 00:23:30.079
And then other I feel like now, more so, I've seen more criticism about them being more mature, like what you said.
00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:31.680
So I've seen both.
00:23:31.839 --> 00:23:40.720
Yeah, but because I think the writers are writing it for the older audience, but they're trying to market it for the younger audience for some reason, which I'm like, I don't get it.
00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:45.039
I think there's a pull for an older audience to market like as a YA.
00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:45.440
I don't know.
00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:47.039
I'm not gonna go in the YA section.
00:23:47.119 --> 00:23:51.599
No, you'll catch me in the dark romance section or the th where all the thrillers are.
00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:54.240
I mean, I'll be in the kids section because they won't let me leave.
00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:59.200
If I'm if I'm reading a YA, it's because I didn't even know it was labeled as a YA.
00:23:59.359 --> 00:23:59.440
Yeah.
00:23:59.680 --> 00:24:01.200
And I couldn't even tell it was a YA.
00:24:01.279 --> 00:24:02.480
Like well, that's why I was shocked.
00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:03.359
What you just read.
00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:03.920
Yeah.
00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:06.000
Like I've I've read YA this year.
00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:06.400
Yeah.
00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:07.039
Seven.
00:24:07.279 --> 00:24:07.519
Right?
00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:07.759
Yeah.
00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:08.720
Seven YA.
00:24:09.119 --> 00:24:09.519
Crazy.
00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:16.480
Do you think publishers are aging up YA characters, themes, and romance because adults have more spending power?
00:24:16.720 --> 00:24:16.960
Yes.
00:24:17.519 --> 00:24:18.240
I was actually gonna say that.
00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:18.880
Hands down.
00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:19.119
Yeah.
00:24:19.279 --> 00:24:20.160
They're going where the money is.
00:24:20.319 --> 00:24:20.480
Yeah.
00:24:20.559 --> 00:24:21.279
I'm not surprised.
00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:30.000
Although, to be fair, as a 16 to 18-year-old girl who was working every weekend and whenever she could, and she had lots of spending money and no bills.
00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:33.279
I did so much damage at the bookstore.
00:24:33.519 --> 00:24:34.319
Yeah, same.
00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:36.319
I actually wasn't a big reader back then.
00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:39.039
Like I read, but I wasn't like a reader like I am now.
00:24:39.279 --> 00:24:41.680
My sister wouldn't share her books with me usually.
00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:42.720
I had to go buy my own.
00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:45.839
So if it was a book was really good, we would have me.
00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:47.920
That's sister behavior.
00:24:48.079 --> 00:24:48.799
That's typical.
00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:50.640
She's so like you have to read this.
00:24:50.720 --> 00:24:55.440
And like, but like if she were to like lend me a book at that time, she maybe she could still be like that.
00:24:55.599 --> 00:24:57.440
This book had to come back pristine.
00:24:57.680 --> 00:24:59.039
Yeah, I I'd be like that too.
00:24:59.119 --> 00:25:01.519
And I like to eat while I like read, so yeah, you're chaos.
00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:03.759
My sister used to like steal my underpants.
00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:05.279
She used to steal my clothes.
00:25:05.440 --> 00:25:06.000
That's weird to me.
00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:07.279
She put them back in my drawer dirty.
00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:08.079
Clothes make sense.
00:25:08.319 --> 00:25:08.960
That's so weird.
00:25:09.440 --> 00:25:10.079
Underwear is a line.
00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:10.720
Yeah.
00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:11.440
That's a line.
00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:11.839
Yeah.
00:25:12.079 --> 00:25:13.279
She's she's wrong for that.
00:25:13.519 --> 00:25:17.279
My makeup, so many times my makeup would be gone in the morning and be like, where is it?
00:25:17.519 --> 00:25:18.240
Makeup makes sense.
00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:19.279
Makeup kind of, yeah.
00:25:19.359 --> 00:25:20.559
Yeah, but I bought it myself.
00:25:20.720 --> 00:25:21.440
I know, I'm just saying.
00:25:21.759 --> 00:25:22.400
Underwear is weird.
00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:22.799
That's weird.
00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:23.200
Yeah.
00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:25.200
Having a brother is infinitely easier.
00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:26.400
Is it for the most part?
00:25:26.799 --> 00:25:27.440
In your case, yes.
00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:29.200
Yeah, I just pretended he didn't exist.
00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:31.759
I loved my brother.
00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:33.680
I loved my brother when he got older.
00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:36.160
He was a bit of a dweeb and annoying when he was younger.
00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:38.319
We're there's also eight years between Nate and I.
00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:40.319
Yeah, there's six years between my Nate and I.
00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:42.799
There's 13 years between me and Max.
00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:43.680
Yeah, it's different.
00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:44.640
Yeah.
00:25:45.519 --> 00:25:47.039
Now we're gonna get into the sexuals.
00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:48.160
Sexual conjugals.
00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:51.359
One side says teenagers should know what sex is.
00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:52.799
Stop clutching your pearls.
00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:54.960
We've seen that on our comment sections too.
00:25:55.279 --> 00:25:55.599
All the time.
00:25:55.759 --> 00:25:59.359
And then the other side says there should be no sexual content in a book for teenagers.
00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:00.160
Don't put it on the internet.
00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:02.480
You know, our kids help make parents' lives easier.
00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:09.519
I just think it's so hard to, it would be so hard to satisfy everyone and their needs in a in the 12 to 18 range.
00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:09.920
Yeah.
00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:14.079
It literally is because like teen we've talked about how teenagers have attraction.
00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:18.799
They are sexually active for the most part, unless they're raised in a very strict Christian household.
00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:20.000
And even then, probably.
00:26:20.559 --> 00:26:29.359
And some people's argument has been, and I like I've talked about it, like I learned about some of the ins and outs of a sexual relationship from books.
00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:30.480
Yeah.
00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:32.799
So you can't police and censor everything.
00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:37.119
They're gonna get it from somewhere, which you can refer to back to one of our last episodes about that.
00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:39.440
We go more in depth about that.
00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:41.359
I'll link it somewhere up here.
00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:45.680
I think it's because the the range of age is just so drastic.
00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:46.160
Yeah.
00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:47.039
That's the problem.
00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:51.039
Like 12 years old to 18 is a jump in maturity.
00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:54.799
Well, like literally like 10 to 12, I was reading the babysitters club.
00:26:54.880 --> 00:27:03.119
And like 12 to like 14, then we kind of started to dive into some questionable content after that.
00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:04.079
Full scent.
00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:04.400
Yeah.
00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:11.920
So I think it needs to be just, I want to say like like maybe even like 15, 16 to 19 or 20.
00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:13.839
Or do like a 15 to 25.
00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:15.359
Well, that's even a big jump, too.
00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:16.240
That is, yeah.
00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:17.680
I like 15 to 20.
00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:21.039
No, I'd say like 18 to 25 would be the best.
00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:22.000
And then 12.
00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:23.039
Like 15.
00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:24.240
12 to 15.
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:24.480
Yeah.
00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:25.519
16, whatever.
00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:26.799
12 to 15 year olds.
00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:31.920
I think like a yearning that kind of book, like a very much yearnful, very sweet book.
00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:35.759
Fade to black, you know, don't even kiss in there.
00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:37.759
You know, that's my take on that.
00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:40.559
Don't even touch, don't even look in my direction.
00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:42.000
Save room for Jesus.
00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:42.400
Yeah.
00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:43.680
Jesus is watching.
00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:52.079
There is a very big difference between like mentioning sex in a fade to black scene or a scene centered on emotion and again yearning tension.
00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:57.359
And then a prolonged graphic scene written primarily to have arousal.
00:27:57.599 --> 00:27:57.920
Correct.
00:27:58.160 --> 00:28:01.920
Do you think those types of scenes should be categorized as YA?
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:03.279
Not for a 12-year-old.
00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:09.359
Yeah, like if uh That's where I'm saying, like, that's where it gets like really shady to me.
00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:10.400
So 12, no.
00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:11.519
13 year olds.
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:14.880
You know, I still think very young.
00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:18.720
It's so hard because like it's so hard because I know.
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:21.279
I was 13 going into high school.
00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:28.000
When you go from elementary school to high school, things are so different.
00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:28.400
Yeah.
00:28:28.799 --> 00:28:36.880
What you talk about, what you're around, what older kids talk about around you, the things that they do, one another, things that they do in public.
00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:39.039
It is shocking.
00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:53.359
Very 16 is like it's kind of hard, I think, as like a 13, 14 who's going into the bigger school, the older school, like that, like to say, like, no, we shouldn't have that in their books because it's their everyday life.
00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:55.119
Like, that is life for them, really.
00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:58.480
I think it's just so it's just a very I don't even know.
00:28:58.640 --> 00:28:59.599
I don't know what I'm trying to say.
00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:04.000
Yeah, like my ex lost his virginity when he was like 12 or 13, which is wild.
00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:06.319
Like I had friends, I never lost my virginity.
00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:08.079
I lost my virginity when I was like 19.
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:09.759
Dang, late bloomer, look at you.
00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:11.839
I was still late bloomer.
00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:12.720
Yeah.
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:15.119
You you're like Mary and Joseph.
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:16.319
Yeah.
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:18.640
But I had conception two times.
00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:21.519
I had friends in high school that lost theirs at 13.
00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:23.200
That's where it's very hard.
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:29.759
But I think the problem comes from parents not wanting their kids to read those things as well, which is fine.
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:35.599
I think, especially when you start to make it such a taboo topic, that's when things kind of get sticky.
00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:36.000
Yeah.
00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:36.319
Yeah.
00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:39.359
Cause they want, they're like, I can't read about this or I can't know about this.
00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:48.640
Or if you have if you have the closed door and you have it all romanticized to a point that's also, I don't think you're like you're kind of giving them the wrong idea too.
00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:48.960
Yeah.
00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:49.519
You know what I mean?
00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:58.160
Like I had so many friends, like when they were starting to lose their V cards, and like it became a thing as well of like, oh, like, did you finally lose it type of thing?
00:29:58.400 --> 00:30:04.559
And the stark reality of what that's about compared to what you read about.
00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:05.119
Yeah.
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:05.759
You know what I mean?
00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:06.720
It's very different.
00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:07.039
Yeah.
00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:11.039
Should a content advisory be standardized, or is that too subjective?
00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:12.720
I just like the tricking shit.
00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:13.759
I don't see why not.
00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:14.559
Just to be safe.
00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:14.960
Yeah.
00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:15.759
Just put it in there.
00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:20.319
Like if the parents are, you know, buying the book for the kid, they can just look on the inside.
00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:25.920
Or even something on like they like some kind of standard, this is the content, like in the back of the book.
00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:32.880
When you look at like the little blurb about what that book's about, like have a this book includes and have like a little just like a little list.
00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:37.200
So you could like flip to it and like maybe it should be like a age advisory.
00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:42.400
This book is recommended for 12 to 15, 15 to 18, 18 up.
00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:46.960
Like it this is marketed as YA, but these are the ages we would recommend the story for.
00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:49.039
Yeah, if you're younger than that, don't read it.
00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:52.160
But if you're like an adult and you want to read that, I think that's completely different.
00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:53.599
Yeah, like two very different things.
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:56.000
I also think there's like a mental health aspect too.
00:30:56.079 --> 00:31:04.079
Like there are some YA books that have certain ideations or like 13 reasons why was a YA book.
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:04.799
That's crazy.
00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:15.200
That to me needs to be marketed, and also there has to be some sort of warning because if there's a young person that's even having thoughts like that, it could be damaging, I think.
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:21.359
And they read this and it's like not glorifying it, but it's just so it's something that could be sensitive to them.
00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:22.000
Yeah.
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:24.400
And like even give them ide well, I don't know.
00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:31.279
We've talked about things not giving people ideas, but like for someone that young, I think it could give them ideas.
00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:37.279
Well, that's why people were saying, like, if young people read Haunting Adeline, it could give them ideas, and yeah, we never disagreed with that.
00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:38.319
Yeah, for sure.
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:43.920
That's why I think what Beth was saying, like that advisory, like having that in the back would be so helpful.
00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:44.240
Yeah.
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:47.119
And it should, I think that should be like across the board for any book.
00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:51.920
Yeah, it's just hard because like teenagers are gonna read the advisory and be like, cool, and still reading.
00:31:52.400 --> 00:32:07.839
On the flip side of the not teenager thing of parents, just adults, of say like child loss, and some books too, like there is no advisory, and then you get to a part and say you've gone through something horrifying in your life, like losing a child, miscarriage, whatever.
00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:12.480
If you're reading a book and then all of a sudden, like you did not expect that in the book, yeah.
00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:13.279
Right?
00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:18.319
Like it's can be I I just think across the board there should be this book includes yeah and ages.
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:28.000
We might get some flack for this section, but the most obvious example of a book that's marketed as YA that should not be marketed as YA is Avatar by Sarah J.
00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:28.720
Mass.
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:31.440
And we'll probably get some comments about it.
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:40.400
But when the first Avatar book was published in 2015, it came through Bloomsbury Children's and was widely marketed and shelved as YA.
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:44.799
And the books already contained sexual content, primarily in the second book, though.
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:45.759
I think it's more.
00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:46.079
Yeah.
00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:49.200
I was gonna say the first book was pretty tame.
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:51.440
I think there was like one scene with Tamlin.
00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:56.000
Yeah, and then it grew more explicit, like Court of Silver Flames is like a whole other ballpark.
00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:56.720
Oh, yeah.
00:32:56.960 --> 00:33:01.359
It received a lot of flack because of the age that it was marketed as.
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:12.000
Uh, in 2020, ahead of the Court of the Silver Flames, Bloomsbury reissued the earlier books with new covers and shifted the series into its adult publishing program.
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:15.200
And then Silver Flames was published as an adult fantasy.
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:19.519
Now, this is a conversation that keeps being brought up, especially when we have this conversation.
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:22.480
Like people have a problem with that, even though it was remarketed.
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:27.839
Court of Silver Flames and a Court of Thorn Thorns and Roses are vastly different.
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:29.519
Yeah, yeah, very much different.
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:30.960
So, questions for you guys.
00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:42.799
If a series begins in YA but becomes substantially more explicit in later books, should the entire series move to adult or should the individual and like books be separated?
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:43.680
That's tough.
00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:44.559
That is tough.
00:33:44.720 --> 00:34:01.279
Because I think there's also the aspect of like when you're reading a series, you could start out as a YA, and then as the books come out from year to year, you're also growing with the books and the characters, which includes different themes in those books.
00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:02.640
So there's that aspect.
00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:10.719
But if you're a Y now in that case, though, it should, I would say at least per book, it should be based on maybe the actual story itself and not the series.
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:11.119
Yeah.
00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:16.400
So like A Court of Thorns and Roses definitely was, in my opinion, more YA for sure.
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:16.719
Yep.
00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:17.679
When it first came out.
00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:20.639
Mist and Fury, no, especially chapter 40, what's it, 42?
00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:21.599
Mist and Fury.
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:26.559
Mist and Fury and uh Wings and Ruin and then Silver Flames.
00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:27.519
Frost and Starlight.
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:33.039
I think there's a Frost and Starlight was like it was a blip of a book, but I just feel like that's a tough one too.
00:34:33.679 --> 00:34:39.760
I think as the author writes, the story adapts, and then it probably changes her vision.
00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:40.320
Yeah.
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:42.000
So which is fine.
00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:42.559
Which is fine.
00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:46.000
Yeah, I just think it needs to be marketed appropriately for sure.
00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:51.440
Well, I mean, we can bring it back to Twilight, beginning books up until breaking dawn after they get married.
00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:58.800
But even those scenes were very close, they eventually do show them, show that side of things.
00:34:59.039 --> 00:34:59.280
Yeah.
00:34:59.440 --> 00:34:59.599
Yeah.
00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:02.079
But I still think it was more YA appropriate.
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:04.159
Like Mist and Fury and all that.
00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:06.000
That's that's explicit.
00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:08.880
That is some juice, you know, juiciness.
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:09.199
Yeah.
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:14.320
I think now that all the books are out, I think it should be labeled adult fantasy.
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:14.559
Yeah.
00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:26.800
Because even if you are a young adult now, let's say Akatar was still labeled as young adult, and you were like, if you read all the books back to back, if it's it's one thing if you're starting it and then the next year the next book comes out and you're growing with the series.
00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:27.599
That's what I was saying.
00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:28.559
Like that's different.
00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:31.440
But if you're a young adult, all mostly all the books are out.
00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:31.760
Yeah.
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:34.159
It's not that true.
00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:34.559
Yeah.
00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:38.880
I think maybe it there should be a per book as the series is being worked on.
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:42.480
Once the series is complete, then I think you need to look at it as a whole.
00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:53.360
Yeah, like once one book is classified as more adult fantasy, the whole series needs to be put with it because who's gonna put a court of thorns and roses in the YA section?
00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:56.079
That young adult is gonna read it and be like, ooh, I want to read the next one.
00:35:56.480 --> 00:36:00.639
You need to go to the 18 plus yeah, like it just I think it just needs to be one.
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:01.920
Yeah, for sure.
00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:02.960
Story as a whole.
00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:04.960
Let's say you started a series of 14.
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:09.679
Would you assume that every sequel in that series would remain appropriate for the same audience?
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:11.039
Like just off the top of your hat?
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:11.519
No.
00:36:11.679 --> 00:36:12.880
Well, for me, I'd say yeah.
00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:13.199
Yeah.
00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:20.559
Like if I was reading a book, let's say the Pumpkin Spice Cafe was normal and not as exquisite as it is.
00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:26.320
Like, I would assume that the rest of the books in that series would be the same as the first book.
00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:26.880
I don't know.
00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:29.920
I just feel like because character development, so you just can never know.
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:37.039
Yeah, but a lot of times, like you do, if you're if you have like a solid YA, it stays within kind of like that window.
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:37.760
You know what I mean?
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:43.039
Like for a lot of books that kind of keep with the same um themes, themes, yeah.
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:50.320
So we mentioned earlier about the covers and the cover discrepancy versus the content of the book.
00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:58.800
A lot of romance books are like this, where the covers are very cartoonish and they look very like Hallmark-esque and they're spicy.
00:36:59.920 --> 00:37:01.039
Spiciest books I've ever read.
00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:02.079
I'm like, what the heck?
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:03.519
Yeah, there's a lot like that.
00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:07.119
Yeah, it's different when you're looking online and you're on Fable or Goodreads.
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:08.079
You can see the spice reading.
00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:08.400
Yeah, yeah.
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:08.639
Yeah.
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:13.440
But in the store, you have the bourbon on the back of the book and it doesn't really tell you the spice level or anything.
00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:14.400
Yeah.
00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:16.320
Never judge a book by its cover.
00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:16.960
Exactly.
00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:17.679
I do though.
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:19.599
But like that wasn't always the case.
00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:26.639
Like typically, like dark romance, for example, or you know, erotica would have like a shirtless man on the cover.
00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:27.840
Yes, very good.
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:32.480
They're usually they're usually dark, they're in some kind of like compromising position.
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:32.960
Yes.
00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:36.079
Yeah, it was very clear what that book was about.
00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:37.599
What it was gonna contain.
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:45.920
Now, those kind of books can have like flowers on them, like soft elements, little illustrated people, a little like very cute on the cover.
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:46.639
Exactly.
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:52.719
Yeah, they're not childish per se, but they do give off like a YA vibes.
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:54.559
They give fluffy hallmark.
00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:56.639
And I hate hallmark, but same.
00:37:56.960 --> 00:37:59.360
But uh it's like I can't say the same.
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:00.320
I like it all.
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:07.039
But the phrase, don't judge a book by its cover, which is what you just said, yeah, has never been less practical, of my in my opinion.
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:11.280
Publishers expect us to buy books based on their covers, but they're very misleading.
00:38:11.519 --> 00:38:12.159
Very misleading.
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:16.079
The Mind Fox series, terrible covers, yeah, awful covers.
00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:19.199
I never, if I wasn't like hearing about people raving about it.
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:21.280
I didn't give you dark spicy romance.
00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:21.840
Oh, it did.
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:24.960
But I'm just saying they were not like I judged for sure.
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:27.039
I was like, I was like, We all judge.
00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:27.519
Ew.
00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:31.440
But I I think it should be reflective of what's in the book, at least.
00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:32.960
Great book series, though.
00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:41.199
Do you think publishers have a responsibility to make an adult book's tone visible through its cover, or should readers never rely on a cover to judge content?
00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:43.760
I honestly think readers should never rely on a cover.
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:45.039
Use critical thinking.
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:45.440
Yes.
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:47.840
But also publishers need to do better, in my opinion.
00:38:48.079 --> 00:38:53.599
I just think, I think, again, if we have the the list on all books, no matter the cover.
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:56.079
I just think there needs to be a little bit, maybe a little bit more transparency.
00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:58.000
Front transparency, yes.
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:00.159
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00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:44.559
New Adult, that category should have solved this whole issue, but it didn't.
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:52.559
New Adult generally describes stories about people in the transition between adolescence and adulthood, roughly college age to early 20s.
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:55.360
It has never been adopted as consistently as YA.
00:39:55.599 --> 00:39:59.119
In many physical bookstores, there is no new adult section.
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:07.679
Mostly those books are shelved in adult romance or fantasy, is basically more like a euphemism online for YA, but with explicit sex.
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:08.480
Yeah.
00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:11.360
I don't even think that's a category on fable, is it?
00:40:11.519 --> 00:40:12.159
I don't think it is.
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:13.360
I don't think it is either.
00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:15.760
And there's no like section in the bookstore?
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:16.159
No.
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:17.840
It's all just under YA.
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:19.519
Like romance or fantasy, typically.
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:21.280
So there's a YA section.
00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:21.599
Yeah.
00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:26.000
Then they probably have the new adult in with the adult fantasy.
00:40:26.239 --> 00:40:26.800
That's what I'm saying.
00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:27.039
Yeah.
00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:27.360
Okay.
00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:27.519
Yeah.
00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:28.639
So they clumped them all together.
00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:30.880
Yeah, which why even have this category?
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:32.639
Yeah, you're not going to do anything with it.
00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:33.199
Yeah.
00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:35.519
Totally misunderstood what you were saying there, obviously.
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:36.239
Had to work together.
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:36.400
Okay.
00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:38.159
You you I got there.
00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:40.239
You you did said exactly what I was trying to say.
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:40.559
Okay.
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:42.079
In cast terms.
00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:47.599
There's a button on here called Mafia's Dirty Secret, Small Town Contemporary, New Adult Romance.
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:48.320
Oh, there you go.
00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:50.800
All it says though on Fable that's under is romance.
00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:52.239
Yeah, that's saying.
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:55.039
Like they just clump it all in with the other romance.
00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:55.920
So what's the point?
00:40:56.159 --> 00:41:00.800
So young adult is still primarily the main category for like 12 to 18.
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:01.119
Right.
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:03.280
Even though new adult was supposed to like kind of fix this.
00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:03.519
Yeah.
00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:03.679
Yeah.
00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:05.039
Confusion and did not.
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:10.960
Would stronger categories like teen, mature young adult, new adult, and adult actually help readers?
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:13.840
Or would adding more labels create even more confusion?
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:15.519
I think it would create more confusion.
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:16.960
Oh see, I think it would help.
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:17.519
Do you?
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:18.239
Ooh, okay.
00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:24.400
I think there I think there I think because there's there's so much happening in those years, I think there needs to be a further breakdown.
00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:25.280
I guess, yeah.
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:26.159
That makes sense.
00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:26.559
Right?
00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:31.039
Because I think there's just so much change as you go from child to adult.
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:35.760
There's so much in between that that I think you you do need those very specific groups.
00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:36.320
Yeah.
00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:45.280
It sounds like it could be confusing, but I do I do think that if you had those as actual genres like to break things up, I think it'd be less confusing for people.
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:45.920
I don't know.
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:57.360
We had a comment in our comment section from a girl who was saying that she was at the bookstore and she saw a mom with her younger daughter, and she had a stack of books that she was going to check out.
00:41:57.519 --> 00:41:59.199
One of them was Haunting Adeline.
00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:00.079
For her daughter?
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:00.639
Correct.
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:02.880
And the other one was Credence by Penelli Pete.
00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:06.320
And then, like, I'm sorry, that's on the parent.
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:15.199
Like, but but if you do a quick search if they were under more of an age-appropriate genre, maybe she wouldn't have done that.
00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:17.840
But isn't Haunting Adeline in the dark romance section?
00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:19.199
It could just be under romance.
00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:19.920
I mean, it could be.
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:20.559
Oh, I don't think so.
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:21.199
I don't really see it.
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:23.599
It could also depend on the bookstore to have a.
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:26.079
Like Coles doesn't really have a dark romance section.
00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:28.000
It's just all they probably should.
00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:28.480
They should.
00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:28.800
Yeah.
00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:31.519
Because ain't nothing romantic about haunting Adeline.
00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:32.719
Credence?
00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:35.519
Great book.
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:36.559
Masterpiece in my mind.
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:37.920
Never never met it.
00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:39.599
But her daughter's gonna have some learning.
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:43.920
Her daughter happens that she may not want to have is gonna have questions.
00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:50.159
So it's just like, I don't even know if the amount of different sections is gonna help.
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:51.119
I mean, they're gonna be.
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:54.719
I know some people have talked about like workers at the bookstores.
00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:57.440
They don't pol they don't know, but some people have talked about that.
00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:06.559
Like, oh, like if you go to the library, if you go to like the bookstore, that like if a teenager is buying this book that is someone may deem inappropriate or 18 plus that they should be carded.
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:07.119
You know what I mean?
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:08.320
Like where where's the line?
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:10.880
Like where I don't know, it's just it's it's difficult.
00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:13.599
I think that there should be the different minute.
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:16.480
If you guys have a solution, let us know in the comments.
00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:17.679
Yeah, we don't have any answers.
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:19.840
We're just we're just confused here.
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:24.480
I don't think there's ever any perfect right way of fixing the problem.
00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:28.800
No, and obviously, like teenagers deserve books that don't treat them like children.
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:29.199
Yes.
00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:34.320
Even if you're 12, but they also don't deserve a category that's being tailored mostly to adults either.
00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:34.800
Yeah.
00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:36.960
Just for marketing and financial gain.
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:37.280
Yeah.
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:43.039
I think when it comes to the younger crowd, it definitely needs to be more thoroughly.
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:47.519
Maybe like a breakdown of like what's included in that, you know what I mean?
00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:54.960
Like, yeah, okay, if this genre, this chunk, whatever is going to be marketed towards 12 to 14, this is what's going to be included in that.
00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:55.280
Yeah.
00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:55.519
Yeah.
00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:59.679
If it goes, it's a little spicier than that, or if there is like darker themes.
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:03.280
Yeah, darker themes and it it automatically gets bumped to the next.
00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:03.920
Mm-hmm.
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:15.920
If you could change one thing about the way YA books are written, marketed, labeled, or shelved, or even recommended online, what change would you do to give the category back to teenage readers?
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:16.960
That's a tough one.
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:18.159
I feel like they should tell us.
00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:21.280
We have a lot we have teenagers who are here, because especially them.
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:24.159
A lot of them have chimed in on how they feel about Twilight.
00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:24.559
Right.
00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:25.280
You tell us.
00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:25.679
Yeah.
00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:27.199
Teenagers that listen to.
00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:28.800
Because we don't know apparently.
00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:29.920
It's been a while.
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:30.960
Tell me what you want.
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:32.639
What do you mean?
00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:34.400
Hasn't been that long.
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:38.239
It has been as just as long for me and it has as it has been for you.
00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:38.719
Shut up.
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:41.360
Alright, then I can ask you guys this one.
00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:44.400
What book felt written for you when you were a teenager?
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:46.880
And do you think it would still be marketed as YA today?
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:47.440
Twilight.
00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:48.559
It would still be marketed as YA?
00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:49.119
100%.
00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:49.679
Yeah.
00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:50.639
I was thinking of the same thing.
00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:52.079
That was the epitome of YA.
00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:52.320
Oh.
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:53.039
So good.
00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:54.480
Hunger Games.
00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:55.519
No, Hunger Games.
00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:56.320
Days Runner.
00:44:56.559 --> 00:45:00.239
Hunger Games to me, although I was fine when I read it, it's very heavy.
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:01.280
It is very heavy.
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:06.400
So, and you're talking about like kids killing kids, which is a whole other ball game.
00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:08.960
But I didn't even think about it about it because you were a kid.
00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:10.000
I was a teenager.
00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:14.880
Yeah, like we were the same age as the the kids of the book, but it does deal with darker themes.
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:15.199
Yes.
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:18.320
Would you feel weird rereading like Hunger Games now?
00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:18.719
Yes.
00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:19.599
No, I have done it.
00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:20.320
Have you?
00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:20.800
Yeah, I haven't.
00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:21.679
I haven't feel weird.
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:23.280
I feel weird going to see the movies now.
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:23.920
Really?
00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:25.280
I watch the movies every so once.
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:28.559
Zach and I watch the movies at least once a year, if not more.
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:30.960
I've had an inkling to rewatch the Hunger Games.
00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:31.599
Yeah, so good.
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:32.400
Especially with the new movies.
00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:35.360
I'm on my own over here, solitary island.
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:36.719
You should be over here.
00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:37.519
I should.
00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:39.760
Get off my couch.
00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:42.719
Now we want to hear from you.
00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:48.480
Do you think YA has become too adult, or do you think people underestimate what teenagers can handle?
00:45:48.639 --> 00:45:55.599
Is there a book you were shocked to find in the YA section, or an adult book that people constantly mislabel as YA?
00:45:55.840 --> 00:45:59.360
Keep the conversation nuanced and respectful in the comments, please.
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:00.960
Or this one will come for you.
00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:04.079
She might look cute, but I won't stop her.
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:05.039
You won't stop me?
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:05.360
No.
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:06.159
Oh, this is new.
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:07.760
I've been saying that a lot recently.
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You're like, We've learned you can't be tamed.
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Throw caution to the wind.
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Yeah.
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I've actually been really nice in the comment section lately.
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Have you?
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Yeah.
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Do you think so?
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:16.559
Yeah.
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There's been some spicy comments.
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Well, I mean, if you're gonna throw shade or spice at me, not the good spice, the rude spice.
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I guess, like, but I read sometimes comments differently, I think, than sometimes you do, where I'm like, oh, they've come up this very nicely.
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And you're like, throwing down, how dare you say that?
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I'm like, ooh, I'm gonna leave this comment.
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:39.840
Yeah, that's true.
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:41.679
Susie's done it too.
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You can be riled up.
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No, you do it.
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She's like, she usually asks for permission before she responds.
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Yours, I find in the wild as I'm going.
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She just responds.
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She'll like send us screenshots of her response after she's already said it.
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No, I'll only do that with the older episodes.
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I'll just respond all willy-nilly.
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It doesn't matter anymore.
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From the past.
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Okay.
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Keep it respectful.
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Okay.
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Be nice.
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Listen, if you want respect from us, then just give it to us as well.
00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:09.679
Yeah, it's common courtesy.
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Honestly, that's all we have.
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If you're gonna do it, maybe give maybe give a trigger warning at the beginning.
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I'm saying this respectfully so that Cass doesn't just take it.
00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:19.840
Well, no, there's a way of saying things respectfully.
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:26.719
And then there's a way of saying, some people like I do think like how they write it, it comes off like it's to us, but it's like more to like the general public.
00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:35.840
And then they'll say, like, oh, this is like I love you guys, this isn't towards you, it's towards this person or towards these people who are commenting this, and it's like, oh, okay.
00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:38.320
Just sometimes some clarification would be nice.
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Yes.
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From me or then the commenters, the subscribers, the people.
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The people, you guys.
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So you guys got us all hot and bothered over here.
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On to lines we love.
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Lines we love.
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Ew.
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Ew.
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Ew, David.
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I'm gonna do a book club pick, our book club pick, Immortal Rose by Alexandria Bracken, page 239.
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And yeah, anyway, you already know it's a romance book, so I'm not spoiling anything.
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Neither of us seemed to want to acknowledge that our hands were a scant hair from each other on the table.
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I need only to let my smallest finger drift just that little bit to the right to hook over his.
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There was a healing scab on it, I saw, bruising on the others.
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:24.719
I didn't know why I was surprised.
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He might have been a tough, but he was a man who courted fights, relished them.
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Yes, well, I said.
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After I'd mustered a bit of steadiness, I lived to confound and torment.
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On the contrary, he murmured, I find you endlessly fascinating, maddening.
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:42.239
The edge of his finger ghosted along mine, enthralling.
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Do you see why I'm having a hard time getting into her?
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That's very anti-Cass.
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I'm still trying.
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He called it maddening and enthralling.
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I haven't DNF'd it yet because the magic system is very cool.
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You had her at maddening, you lost her at enthralling.
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What enthralling's the best part is attacking?
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Enthralling?
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Okay.
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Don't tell me I'm wrong.
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It's true.
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So true.
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Y'all are I'm enjoying.
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Susie, I'm trying.
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Sorry.
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I'm like 30% in.
00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:14.960
Well, hopefully, I'll be rejoining you guys this week, and then I can check with you.
00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:15.840
You weigh in, please.
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Please validate me.
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I feel like when I was reading it, I was like, I think Beth will like this because it's giving like kind of Nora Roberts'.
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:24.719
Everyone in the everyone in Fable's enjoying it so far.
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:26.719
It's Nora Roberts without Nora.
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About like better.
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Without Nora.
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:30.800
Yeah.
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Everyone in book club's enjoying it.
00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:33.440
Yeah, they love it.
00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:35.840
The prologue was the only part that like they really started.
00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:37.519
Yeah, the prologue was brutal.
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Mine is from Incidents Around the House, page 41 by Josh Mallerman.
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It's good advice.
00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:44.559
It would never be me, but it's good advice.
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:48.000
Just kind of goes with what we just talked about.
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If there's one thing I can convey to you, one thing that would take root in you, just like the need to eat and sleep, it would be this.
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Try to stay kind as long as you can.
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For all your life, always be mindful of what others are enduring.
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And whatever you do, most of all, don't allow someone else's meanness, someone else's cruelty to get inside.
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That's for you commenters when Cas comes for you.
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Just hold on to that.
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I'm actually very nice.
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That was very fitting.
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I am actually a very nice person until you mess with me.
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Bully me all the time.
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What is it?
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How many times do I have to do all last night?
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You and Nathan.
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Oh last night.
00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:22.320
That's family though.
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:25.519
If you someone doesn't leave the kitchen table crying, then you're not familying, right?
00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:29.519
Yeah, but if I'm not like just like ripping on you, I don't love you.
00:50:29.599 --> 00:50:30.719
I don't like you enough to like.
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:31.760
I do it to the kids.
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They just don't know.
00:50:33.280 --> 00:50:34.559
It's my love language.
00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:34.880
Yeah.
00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:36.000
I get that now.
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Eight years ago, I would have been like crying.
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:38.400
Yeah, but look at you now.
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You're tough.
00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:40.559
You got me thick skin.
00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:42.880
Resilient.
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I've got resilient.
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So strong.
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Thick skin.
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Resilient.
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You got that for me.
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Tattoo, guys.
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Thick skin.
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Look at that.
00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:53.119
So thick.
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That's my doing.
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I did that.
00:50:56.400 --> 00:50:58.079
You made me who I am today.
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So thankful.
00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:00.000
You're welcome.
00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:01.440
I need a good.
00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:03.039
Especially in these parts.
00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:04.639
Yeah.
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:06.079
These comments sections.
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These streets.
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I banned myself from looking the rest of the day.
00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:10.719
Oh, yeah, good call.
00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:11.360
Yeah.
00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:11.920
All right.
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:14.320
I did The Lunatics by Novessa Allen.
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This is page 223.
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:22.079
And if you contain yourself like this and stop suppressing, shifting to obe form might become easier for you, less painful, and less confusing.
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:22.639
I grinned.
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:24.239
I might not have to sit on you next time.
00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:26.880
He half-litted his eyes and sent me a scorching smile.
00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:28.880
You're more than welcome to sit on me anytime you can.
00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:30.960
See, this is the energy, Susie.
00:51:31.199 --> 00:51:32.239
I just hit my mic.
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:33.280
This is the energy.
00:51:33.679 --> 00:51:34.159
You're passionate.
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Not not a not a not a enthralling.
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Finger grace.
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That's what he did in that show.
00:51:41.519 --> 00:51:43.280
Also, I have one that I'll save it for next week.
00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:46.000
It's also a nice good one from A Shadow in the Reaping.
00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:46.480
Nice.
00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:48.960
I'll have more quotes that Cass hates.
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:49.920
What?
00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:52.159
This is what Susie read us.
00:51:55.039 --> 00:51:56.159
And it was enthralling.
00:51:56.480 --> 00:52:02.400
It was the first time they were like we're in like the time to read about any kind of thralling is gonna have has to do with vampires.
00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:04.159
And you have to think of the times.
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:05.840
It's like Bridgerton.
00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:08.800
It's scandalous to even touch a finger without a glove on.
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:10.480
That's true.
00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:10.880
Yeah.
00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:14.320
You can't even be alone in each other's company.
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