ÜBER DIESE EPISODE
What if the key to achieving your biggest goals lies in embracing setbacks, building daily habits, and rethinking how you approach success?
In my conversation with Joey Lye, Chief Empowerment Officer of Joey Lye LLC, Olympic bronze medalist, and TEDx speaker, she shared incredible insights on goal-setting, mindset, and resilience. Joey’s story is one of determination—starting with her childhood dream of becoming an Olympian and the ups and downs that came with it. She talked about the power of mindset and how, even when she faced setbacks, she used breathwork, self-talk, and discipline to stay focused.
Her transition from athlete to leadership expert is fascinating. She helps individuals and teams develop stronger cultures through the same principles that helped her excel. What stood out to me was her emphasis on support systems and how setbacks clarify how much we want something. Joey also reminded me of the power of breaking big goals into daily actions and how we show up every day.
Her story is a reminder to dream big, use your resources, and trust the journey. Joey’s experience will leave you feeling inspired.
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Be bold, be balanced, and most of all, be well. See you next time!
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Welcome, welcome, welcome. I
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am so excited for the conversation that I am about to share with you all.
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I have with me someone who is absolutely phenomenal and is going to offer some
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really unique perspectives on goal setting and planning for y'all.
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I have with me Joey Lai and Joey is the Chief Empowerment Officer and founder of Joey Lai LLC.
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And this company's mission is to to challenge mindset, share perspective,
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and inspire intentional growth.
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Joey is a TEDx speaker, an Olympic bronze medalist, and does some amazing work
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around leadership, championship culture, and mindset.
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She's an expert when it comes to that. And so I can't wait to have her share
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her story with you all and for us to dig into all of this wonderful goodness. So let's do this.
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Do you want to feel less scattered and more focused, but the idea of goal-setting
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sounds like adding more pressure to your already pressure-filled life?
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If so, welcome to the Plan Goal Plan podcast. I'm Danielle McGue.
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I'm a professor, mom, planner addict, and recovering overachiever.
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After years of hustle and grind, I was tired of trying harder.
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I was ready to try easier.
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At the intersection of research, practice, and play, I found a purposeful path
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to planning and goal setting that is fun, simple, and sustainable.
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If you're ready to try easier, if you're ready to make memories and do meaningful work, grab a pen.
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I will equip you with tools and practices to clarify purpose,
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reclaim time, and achieve goals, playfully and lightly. Let's get started.
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Welcome, welcome, welcome. I'm so glad that you're here, Joey.
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Thank you so much for having me, Danielle.
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I'm excited to be here and share a little bit of my story with you. Absolutely.
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So like, let's start there. Tell me your story. Tell me, you know,
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I'm really interested in, you know, one, what's it just like to be an athlete at that level?
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But I'm also really interested in this transition of all of the skills and the
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knowledge that you gain being a high performer as an athlete and how the transition
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has been into taking that into working with people and leadership in the workplace.
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Place. So yeah, tell me your story.
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I'll start at eight years old. I had a third grade teacher who asked us to write
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a letter to our future selves.
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She held on to that letter and mailed it to us many years later.
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I was just about to graduate from high school and this letter appeared and it
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was my third grade self saying that I want to be a professional athlete.
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I had set that goal from such a young age. I had been working towards it.
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I was then at a high school that specialized in sport training,
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weightlifting, speed work.
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I have a autobiography that I wrote in high school and I titled it Future Olympian.
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So I just like to share those two little pieces of my youth because it shows
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how deeply rooted my goal of becoming an Olympian was.
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A lot of people had a lot of opinions about what that journey should look like.
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One of the things I'm most proud of my My former self for is sticking true to
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me and what I wanted out of my experience as I went through life.
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Growing up in Toronto, there wasn't a lot of information given to us at that
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time about pursuing sport in the U.S.
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I wanted to come play in the U.S. I learned that you can continue your sport
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career there and it'd be such a great opportunity. And all of these people started participating.
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Pouring in their opinions saying you should go D1. The only way to get where
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you want to go is to play Division I.
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What I decided as a high schooler was I want to get the best education I can
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while playing two sports that I love, softball and hockey.
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I let those two things dictate my college search, ended up at a small Division
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III school in Massachusetts called Williams College, where I was very challenged
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academically and got an amazing degree,
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had an incredible experience, experience and went on to graduate with a degree in psychology.
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My parents signed me up for a Team Canada tryout. There were open tryouts that year.
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I showed up at the tryout shaking in my boots. I had allowed society to tell
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me that Division III wasn't good enough. So I showed up wondering kind of why I was there.
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Was I wasting my time? You know, I hadn't prepared in the way that everybody
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tells you you should prepare.
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By the end of that open tryout, I'd been invited to the final camp.
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I got through that final camp, started getting more comfortable,
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started gaining that confidence back, started thinking maybe I can do this.
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And I ended up being one of the final cuts.
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That was a huge moment in my life. It really tested my resilience.
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It tested how badly do you want this goal? How much work are you willing to
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put in to put the jersey on to represent your country? I went back to my alma mater.
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I was working there. I started my coaching journey there, did everything I could,
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used every resource I had, went back the following year to the open tryout,
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ended up getting invited to the final camp and making the team and had a 12-year
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career, all the while coaching in the college world as well.
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Up until the pandemic, Olympic delay.
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We had that year delay for the Tokyo Olympics, which was another huge test.
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And then obviously getting to fulfill that dream of being an Olympian and stepping
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onto the podium with my teammates.
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And what an incredible journey. There's so many stories I could share from that journey.
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Then we get to that point where the Olympics are over, your dream has been achieved.
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Now what? And that transition piece, as you brought up, is an extremely challenging
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one for a lot of people in different stages of life.
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And I think as a high-performing athlete, having achieved that goal and coming
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off that high, making history for your country, now deciding...
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What's next. That was a huge, huge part of, again, testing me as a person and
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figuring out what do I really want to get out of this next chapter in my life.
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So figuring that out was definitely a journey. And one of the things that I
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realized was I love impacting people and that I had learned so many lessons
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along the way throughout my Olympic journey, through coaching,
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through being a teammate, being a leader on the team.
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And I was able to pull all of those lessons into a business that I've now created
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to inspire and help and challenge other leaders.
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That's amazing. I think there's so much in your story to unpack there.
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You know, one thing that strikes me is the way in which you had so many supportive
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people around you on your journey.
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Like I want to high five your third grade teacher for doing that activity and
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then like following through on it, like how powerful of an experience that had
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to who have been, you know, your parents signing you up for the tryouts, you know.
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And then I'm also really struck by these moments of, okay, I'm at these tryouts.
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I don't really know if I deserve to be here.
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And then having this moment where you get so close, right?
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And, you know, we have these moments where sometimes we aren't sure what we want.
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And then we get really close to it and doesn't happen. And that's when we're
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like, oh, no, I'm going for that.
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And, you know, I feel that I've had those moments in my life.
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And, you know, to hear that, you know, an Olympian athlete, you know,
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like also, you know, has had those moments is really interesting.
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And then also these moments where you do achieve the dream, then you have the
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sort of, oh, gosh, well, like, now what moment?
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And, you know, I'm really interested in kind of unpacking those three things
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of, you know, support and when it feels like you didn't quite make the goal.
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And then that moment of, oh, I did make the goal. Now what?
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The support was absolutely necessary.
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I think I talk a lot about you can't,
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anywhere in life that is worth being proud of without support from others.
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You can't achieve your biggest dreams without other people in your corner,
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whether that is family or friends or strangers.
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The number of strangers that helped me along my journey, I couldn't even count
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them for you right now. It is incredible.
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When and if you're willing to ask a question, reach your hand out asking for
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help, people want to be a part of that.
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People want to be a part of a passionate journey to help others achieve great things.
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And I encourage anybody listening who maybe doesn't have an intentional support
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system to start thinking, who's one person I can reach out to today that can
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help me get a little bit further within my goal?
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Yeah, yeah, I love that. And because I do think, particularly as women,
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we can be so hesitant to ask for help.
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I mean, I think that men also struggle with this, but for slightly different reasons.
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I think that, you know in some ways we've been taught to
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be the helpers not the one that is help and so
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you know it can take it can really feel vulnerable
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to learn how to go hey there's
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something that I want to achieve that's vulnerable in and of itself but then
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to say and I don't know that I can do it on my own who's out there to help me
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so I love that that like people want to be part of that journey and they want
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to be part of that story and so to give them an opportunity to do that I think
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is really important too.
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So tell me a little bit, because I'm sure that you had other,
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I almost reached my goal, but not quite moments or other moments that felt like failure.
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You know, what helped you get back up and motivate yourself to try again and go after it again?
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I think, as you mentioned, narrowly missing a goal gives you a big gut check
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of and a big reality check of how badly did I want this, right?
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The more disappointed you are, the more Or you realize that it's really what
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you're searching for. It's what you're working for. It's what you want.
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So for me, those moments, yes, they're disappointing.
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And they kind of helped me reassess that I'm on the right track.
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I went back after getting so close and getting sent home, getting handed that
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plane ticket in that meeting instead of a roster spot.
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I looked around me and said, how can I dig deeper? I went in the weight room,
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you know, three or four times a week. I was conditioning.
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I was eating well. I was getting to practice early and staying late,
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having coaches and other athletes help me train. I was begging my head coach
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to write me into practice as much as possible so I could continue getting reps
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that were going to help the team get better as well.
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The sprint coach on campus, I reached out to him and I said,
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hey, would you mind meeting up with me at the track and helping me with my starts?
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Like literally anything I could do to get a little bit better,
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I did that and utilized the resources. And I think that sometimes when we get
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what we want right away, we don't think outside the box. We don't use our resources.
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The saying that I have grasped onto is adapt and thrive.
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Anytime a challenge comes my way, obviously, yes, there's disappointment and
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frustration in the challenge, but I've trained my brain to jump right to that
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phrase, adapt and thrive. OK, so I didn't get what I want or it didn't go how I wanted it to.
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How can I adapt my mindset or my approach or a behavior in order to thrive in the long run?
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So I think challenges and not getting what we want really allow our true passion,
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our true work ethic to to come forward.
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Yeah, I really I really like that because I think that it's so easy to believe
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that if you need to adapt.
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That you're not cut out for it or that you're not good enough when actually,
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you know, it's just a sign that you maybe need to expand your resources and change your strategy.
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Strategy and that it's not, there's a lot of research that shows that when,
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when things kind of don't go as planned for women,
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they see it as a sign that they're just not cut out for it, as opposed to a
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result of the circumstances or them needing to change their approach,
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where like men are much more likely to go like, oh, I'm awesome.
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Like it just was, I need to shift up my approach.
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And so like, you know, when I think about working with women around goal setting,
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it is like, okay, when things don't go as planned, we just need to this shift
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our approach, that's not a sign that you're not cut out for it.
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And so I really like adapt and thrive, adapt and thrive.
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You know, one of my biggest moments, and this is kind of personal and pretty
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deep, but I want my listeners to know that, you know, if you're not an athlete,
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that there are all these ways that this like applies to you.
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And so, you know, for me, I didn't know that I wanted to be a parent until I
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was in like my mid thirties. I was just like, oh, you know, I've already got
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a really intense career.
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I'm busy enough. Do I really want to add anything else to my plate?
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And it actually wasn't until, you know, I miscarried the first time that I was
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like, yep, this is what I want. And.
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You know, like you described, I was like, OK, I need to learn about my body now.
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I need to figure out what's going on. And there is like such a deep commitment
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after that to I want to be a parent and I want to do it well.
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And like learning about my body.
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You're right that if that hadn't
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happened, I probably wouldn't have sought out support in other ways.
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I also probably wouldn't have learned certain things about myself.
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And so it is those moments are incredibly clarifying. Absolutely.
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Setbacks often give us that clarity that we don't have or cause us to think
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in just a little bit of a different way.
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Yeah. So I know that one of the things that you are phenomenal at is thinking
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through mindset and the importance of mindset and achieving those goals.
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So can you tell me a little bit about, you know, what are some of the most practical
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feet on the ground mindset things that people could do to help them if you're kind of struggling?
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Absolutely. I think People who meet me now in life, they assume I've been confident my whole life.
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That is a daily battle for me. It's something that I have worked on for so many
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years and continue to work on every single day.
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Two of the things that helped me a ton were breathwork and self-talk,
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being intentional with those two things.
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I started off by setting a timer on my phone every night for one minute and focusing on my breath.
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It was something that was achievable. It didn't feel overwhelming.
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I could do it, you know, the second I get into bed, help me kind of calm down from the day.
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And that practice of connecting with my breath helped me on the field.
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And now in life, when stressful situations are coming about,
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I can reconnect with my breath and kind of feel that calmness.
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Through that one minute, my mind wandered a ton. I couldn't even tell you how many times it
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is able to wander in one minute. And the practice of noticing that and coming
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back to the moment was so, so helpful and is so helpful for just my brain's
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ability to be present in the moment and to reconnect with myself.
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Self-talk wise, I think most of us have a natural tendency to talk to ourselves
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pretty terribly, right?
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When things aren't going perfectly, we are so cruel to ourselves.
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Whereas we think about when somebody else has a struggle or a hiccup or makes
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a mistake, we're right there saying to them, you've got this. Don't worry about it.
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Everything's going to be fine, right? It's such a different narrative.
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What I did was I started practicing positive self-talk while brushing my teeth.
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Every time I picked up that toothbrush, that was a reminder for me to look myself
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dead in the eye in the mirror and tell myself how great I was,
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how badass I was, that I was going to go get this goal.
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I was going to work hard today. I was going to put in the effort.
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I was going to be the best version of myself, get one percent better.
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Just practicing that narrative was so impactful.
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Noticing the times of day that my brain kind of jumped to that negative place
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in all of the different things that we were doing in preparation for the Olympics.
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If I was doing a conditioning drill on a treadmill, that's that was the worst time to be in my brain.
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I do not enjoy running. And then you're asking me to run in place like I'm not
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going anywhere, my brain took a pretty bad place.
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So being able to notice those moments and intentionally switching from,
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oh my goodness, I don't want to be here.
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Why do I have to do this? To, no, I'm going to attack this challenge.
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I'm going to get after this today. This is going to help me be better.
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I am going to beat this treadmill. I'm going to win right here.
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And so those two things, the breathwork and the self-talk, that awareness of
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working on those tools and then noticing places within my every day that I could
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kind of pull those tools into my life.
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Both of those things are such practical and achievable things,
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right? Let's start with one minute and pay attention to our breath.
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Let's talk to ourself in kind ways while we brush our teeth.
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And I, you know, I really, really like that. And I like that then that translates
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into becoming aware in other places.
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And how do you just like pay attention to when those negative self-talk does creep in.
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I love that you started by talking about how, you know, people think that you
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must just be this really positive, confident person.
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I have a client who is so phenomenally successful.
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It's so interesting for me to like work with her because she is like,
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I have negative self-talk every single morning and I have to catch myself and
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rewire myself to talk to myself differently every single morning. I was like, really, you?
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Like, you're so positive all of the time. And to sort of say that,
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you know, even for the people that it appears to be easy, they're doing a lot
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of work over and over and over again to get there.
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And I know like being trained as an academic, I had realized that many of the
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ways that you were taught like as a student to be considered smart in class
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is like, here's your reading.
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Well what is it that you can kind of pick apart that
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the author said and I had really trained my
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brain to find problems with things that other
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people were saying and that like my value then
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was in pointing out those problems and maybe offering a solution sometimes maybe
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not even the solution part sometimes and I realized that that had creeped into
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the way that my brain had worked in all parts of my life so I was doing that
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to my husband I was doing that with my kids I was doing that with myself.
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And, you know, I had to really break myself and say that identifying problems
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isn't always the most valuable thing that I can offer.
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And it's been a whole complete retraining where I don't want to like ignore problems, right?
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But I also know that that wasn't healthy thinking for me. And so I think about that so, so, so, so much.
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So I want to go to this transition that you talked about, you know,
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moving from, hey, I just accomplished a huge life goal, like a goal that I was
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speaking into existence in third grade.
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And now I've done it. Now what?
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You know, tell me a little bit about how you move through that.
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For probably about four months after the Olympics ended, after coming down off
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the high, you know, we had lots of celebrations.
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We got flown out pretty quickly because it was the pandemic.
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So getting back to the Athletes Village at 2 a.m. after the medal ceremony.
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I was on a bus at 6 a.m. that same morning to come home, went,
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flew straight to a wedding, got to celebrate a friend, you know, show off the hardware,
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was at home for about a week, lots of celebrations with people,
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went to the homeland to visit my family, another week of celebrations.
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And then coming down off that high, the next four months was pretty tough.
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Like, what is my purpose in life now? I've done this. I...
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Will I ever feel that high again, right? Will I ever achieve anything that great again?
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And the realization that maybe not is pretty tough to digest and swallow.
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I was lucky enough to be around some of my teammates for about six weeks during that time.
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And the four of us would get together once a week and just talk about how sad
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we were and talk about how tough this time of our life was and just allow ourselves
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to feel that sadness and to feel the uncertainty of,
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will we ever feel as though we have a purpose again?
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I think allowing myself to feel that and not trying to force myself to jump
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right into something new right away was great.
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As I sat in or laid in bed most mornings, you know, not really wanting to get out of bed.
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Thankfully, one of my dogs was with me, so I had to get out to take him outside.
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But as I sat around, I started to think, you know, what did I love most about coaching sports?
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What did I love most about working in the college space? And it was the impact
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on others. Is there a different way I can channel that same purpose?
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It might look really different. I'm not going to be training on the field every
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single day. I'm not going to be now coaching people on the field every single day.
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How and where can I have that impact? And so I just started very slowly.
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I didn't dive into my business wholeheartedly from the get-go.
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Started working on a website a little bit and just talking to some friends and
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former colleagues who were still in the college space to say,
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hey, is this something you would hire me to do to come in and share some of
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the lessons that I've learned?
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So that kind of came together slowly, piece by piece.
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And probably eight months after the Olympics had ended, I had put together an
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LLC, had reached out again, just started creating a support system to help me
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kind of get this off the ground.
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Learned that there's a small business development center and they have offices
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all over the country and give free business consulting.
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That was incredible to learn. So it almost started mirroring my athletic journey of, okay, what
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what is it that I want? What do I love doing? And now do I have a system of
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people around me who can support me?
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Can I learn what this system might look like? Can I meet some new people?
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Can I get some new resources and started kind of building and just allowing
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myself to have a slow build in that and to understand that I didn't become an Olympian overnight.
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I wasn't going to have a booming business overnight. Can I start to put small
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pieces together that I won't get overwhelmed by, but it'll start building something that I'm proud of.
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I love that you gave yourself space to really explore and to see this as a process
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and a journey that you had that in your athletic career as well.
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And it happened over time. And so that this nice transition is also going to take time.
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And I really don't think that we talk enough about the fall that happens after
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an achievement because it is really hard to do something at such a high level.
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It requires so much focus and so much of all of your life goes into that that
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it's really difficult to not intertwine our achievements and our identity.
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And what I love is that you, one, had friends
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going through it with you and that you gave yourself
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space to sort of more to achievement because like
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that's also something we don't talk about so like there might be grief
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attached to achieving things and not
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just in the sacrifice of achieving things but
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actually in the achievement things and you
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know that in that moment you also asked
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yourself where are the transferable skills where
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are the things that are you but they're not necessarily
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connected to the activity right that you
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can put that in other places I know I went through a
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similar thing you know with teaching I you know earned tenure and
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I was like oh now I get to kind of choose what to
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do with my career and I had no idea and I've had to really go yes I'm a teacher
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but how I teach might be in the classroom but it also might be coaching people
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one-on-one it might be this podcast it might be public speaking and that how
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I teach shifts and evolves as well and so So,
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you know, kind of to recognize that that's in you,
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but not attached to the achievement that you made is so empowering.
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So, you know, I have some just questions about the ways that I know that goal
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setting is such a huge thing in athletics.
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And but how you might go about it might be a little bit different or,
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you know, like thinking about, you know, I have some good friends that work
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in athletics at the university that I'm at.
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And, you know, the way that you can like yell at people on the field is so different
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than the way that you might yell at and encourage someone in the office.
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So can you tell me a little bit about like, what are some of the things that
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you're like, oh, this works so well?
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To take from, you know, the environment of athletics and move it into other contexts.
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And like, here's something that like, nope, we just ain't doing that here.
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I think for me, the three pillars that I've kind of carried with me are leadership,
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mindset, and team culture.
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Those things that I learned about, was immersed in during my athletic journey
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are so transferable to every other space in life, to just my everyday life, to the business world.
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Old, building a team within a corporation is so similar to building a team on the field.
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Obviously, the activity is very different. You still need to build trust.
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You still need amazing and clear communication.
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You still need values and an understanding of what those values look like.
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And so I think being able to understand the things that made us successful as
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Team Canada softball, coming from when I joined the team in 2010,
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the culture that that team had was not going to win us a medal at the Olympics.
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And the intentional work that went into Roop and evolved over time is what made us successful.
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That's true in businesses too. You see some of the most successful companies
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out there and how they interact with their clients, how they interact with other
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people within their company, how they communicate, the clarity that exists there.
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So that's something that I have found a lot of joy in bringing from my athletic
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career into the business world and helping leaders within their organization understand the tools.
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The different personalities that are present, the different communication styles,
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and how much that impacts the building of trust within a team.
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Yeah, I think that when we think about goals, a lot of times we approach it
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from this very smart goal, let's collect data, let's have milestone kind of place.
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And things like culture, team culture team
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building trust feel like very soft skills and
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so I think sometimes too we don't
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think about how we can make those goals that we can set and that you can also
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you know I'm always like these are my wishy-washy goals right and that we need
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those too and that there are ways that you can make sometimes I'm like we have
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our to-do goals and we have our to-be goals and how are
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we going to be together and as a team
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so that then we can achieve these other things and that
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is integral to the process and so
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you know how have you found people like
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have you found it more difficult to move people through some of that team building
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and trust and that culture building aspects versus maybe like some of the this
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is what we're going to accomplish goals yeah I think presenting it in a way
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of understanding that there is a big tangible goal that we want to reach.
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And then what does that look like within our daily behaviors in order to work toward that goal?
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So yes, we can have that huge goal, just like.
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We as Team Canada, our goal was to win the gold medal at the Olympics.
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That was our goal. Did we achieve it? Not quite. We ended up still making history
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for our country, which was really cool.
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But we did not achieve making history for our country by only focusing on winning that medal.
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We said, in order to win that medal, what do we have to do today and the next
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day and the next day and the next day and broke it down into such small, actionable items.
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And a lot of it came down to the culture, right? How are we going to show up
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for each other every day?
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How are we going to approach our training every day? What does this look like in action?
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And we very seldom talked about that gold medal.
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It was there. Our team's mission was the gold medal mission.
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We knew that was there. But the conversations we had were around those more
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impactful everyday behaviors.
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So I think once people start to grasp that and understand how impactful today
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is to working toward that big goal that we have set, the buy-in comes quite quickly. I love that.
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I do think that, you know, working in organization, it can be,
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you know, you get together and maybe you have a goal setting committee or you
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have a strategic planning committee and, you know, people write a mission statement
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and they set those goals.
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But then trying to translate that into the daily practices,
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like how does that impact our routines and rhythms and the way that we talk
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with each other and really get infused into the nitty gritty of how we're living
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with each other is sometimes I think a big gap for people.
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And so I love that you have found a way to translate the big goal into the daily
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practices of making that goal happen.
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You know, if you were if you were to give my my listeners one piece of advice
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on goal setting or planning, like what would that be?
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I would say don't sell yourself short. number one absolutely
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freaking go for it like the number of people in my
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life who said wait you you're five foot three
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as a grown human and you still have a dream of being an
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olympian if if i had allowed those people to dictate the kind of goal that i
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set for myself who knows where i would be right now i think dream the big dream
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set that goal even if you don't reach that exact goal just like we didn't get
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the gold medal but we got the bronze
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and it was still pretty freaking cool and And at the end of the day,
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the journey is the destination. That's such a cliche saying.
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After being on that journey for so many years and getting the medal,
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standing on the podium, what made it special was the journey.
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It actually wasn't the destination.
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And it's just a different way to look at those big goals we set for ourselves.
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Do I want this? Do I really want this? What am I willing to do for it?
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For it? And am I motivated to do something about it today?
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And when that motivation isn't there, because it often isn't,
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right? Motivation comes and goes.
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Do I have the discipline to do just one thing today that is going to get me
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one step closer to that goal?
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Yes. Thank you so much. I think that I'm so passionate about helping women understand
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that we are capable so much more than than we expect of ourselves.
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So we expect extraordinary things from the people around us. And we believe in them.
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Like you said earlier with self-talk, we'll pump them up. We'll be amazing encouragers for them.
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But, you know, there's all sorts of research that talks about ways in which women,
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you know, don't have those expectations for themselves or are risk adverse or,
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you know, struggle with the confidence and, you know, the journey,
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just commit to the journey and,
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you know, show up and try to be 1% better.
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And I think it's amazing where that can take you. So if my listeners wanted
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to connect with you, if they were interested in working with you,
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how could they do that, Joey?
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My website is probably the easiest way to do that. joey.com.
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So that's J-O-E-Y-L-Y-E.com.
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Lots of information and ways to contact me there. Awesome. I'll make sure that
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I put that in the show notes.
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And I just want to say, it has been such a joy to get to know you.
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We got connected by my friend Evan.
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So shout out to Evan. And I'm so glad that he thought that we would connect because we have.
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Yes, this was awesome. Thank you so much for having me.
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If this podcast has inspired you, guided you, or just made you laugh,
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the number one way that you can thank me is by leaving a written review for
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the show over on Apple Podcast.
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I'm seriously tickled every time that I hear from you all. So pop onto Instagram
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and follow Plangle Plan and digital message me.
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I want to say hello. I want to geek out about all things planning and goal-setting.
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Keep sensing the possibilities y'all.