S11 EP27: Jo Whiley

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Hello, I'm Rob Beckett.
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And I'm Josh Willicombe.
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Welcome to Parenting Hell, the show in which Josh and
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I discuss what it's really like to be a parent,
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which I would say can be a little tricky.
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So, to make ourselves, and hopefully you, feel better about
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the trials and tribulations of modern day parenting, each week
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we'll be chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping.
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Or hopefully how they're not coping.
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And we'll also be hearing from you, the listener, with
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your tips, advice, and of course, tales of parenting woe.
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Because let's be honest, there are plenty of times where
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none of us know what we're doing. Hello, you're listening
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to Parenting Hell with.
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Elliot, can you say Rob Beckett?
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Say Rob Beckett. Rob Beckett. Good boy. Can you say
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Josh Widdicombe? Josh Widdicombe. Josh Widdicombe.
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Gross enough.
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Do you know what? I love that. The juxtaposition between
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sort of North East Geordie to... Durham, posh.
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Hi, Rob and Josh. This is our 30-month-old son, Elliot,
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attempting your names. We've been patiently waiting.
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Two and a half.
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Two and a half. Waiting for the day we could
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finally record him saying your names to email in. We've
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been avid listeners since the beginning, even before we had
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our son. But listening to the podcast has helped a
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lot by hearing other people's stories on pregnancy, childbirth, the
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newborn stage and toddlerhood. Now we're in the throes of it.
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Stay sex-in-relatable. Rachel, Andrew and Elliot from Durham. Kiss.
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Lovely stuff.
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30 months. Oh, my word.
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You are struggling. You've been busy.
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Well, I'm gigging in the evening. Talk to me about
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your workload. What it is is because I'm doing my
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Southwest run at the moment, Rob.
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That should be easier, though, because it's near your house.
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Yes, it is and it isn't because it means I'm
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getting up and doing the school run the next day.
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I had that. Yeah, less traveling back, but you're not
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in a hotel resting.
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Exactly, yeah. So in a hotel, you can wake up
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at 8, 8.30. Yeah. But here, you're like, I'm up
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at 7 and I'm getting through the door at, I
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got in at like half 11, 12 last night.
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You've got to do shit.
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Yeah, exactly.
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I've got to change the disc plate on my lawnmower
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because it broke. Oh, no. Because I think the apple tree,
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the apples have fallen down and I think they're too
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hard and it broke the disc plate because it's trying
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to chop up apples thinking it's grass.
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Oh, my word. Country living. Country living, Rob.
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Country living. So where was you last night?
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Truro?
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Yeah.
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I had an interesting thing about robot cars, Rob. Do
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you want to hear this?
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Yeah, go on. You love AI.
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Go on. I do. I read this. The future, right?
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So when you've got a driverless car in 2040, if
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you don't need it for the day, you will be
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able to press a button, a share button, and then
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it will go out and it will do taxi work
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for you, and you'll be able to make a bit
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of money because you're not using your own car. Wow.
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Isn't that mad?
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That is, isn't it?
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The future isn't all bad.
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Do you know what?
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The future is bloody crazy.
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The future is wild, Rob. Now... Are you working.
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Oh, God, what's that?
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Am I working tonight? Talkie.
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Talkie! Oh, the princess there, sir?
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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The old princess. Am I working Tuesday? Yeah. Yeovil.
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Absolutely.
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Am I working Wednesday? Back on Exeter. On Saturday, doing
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it again on Wednesday.
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So you did Last Leg Friday. Yep. Was you working
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the Thursday?
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No, I watched the final of The Traitors on Thursday.
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Oh, that was good, wasn't it?
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I let my daughter stay up for that. Yeah. And
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then she tried to push it for Uncloaked. I was like,
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a joke's a joke, mate.
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That was one of the highlights of our trip to
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Japan was watching that.
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I'd say of all the shows, it's the best. My
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daughter's now eight.
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Yeah.
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I'd say it's the perfect grown-up and kids show.
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Yes.
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It's totally innocent. She totally gets it. It's not boring
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for the grown-ups, because as much as we like Gladiators
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or something, we probably wouldn't sit down and watch it ourselves.
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No, it's a lovely first show to watch as a family.
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But Traitors is so good for her age, and she
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loved it. And also, I really played on getting some
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messages from the Traitors for her. Oh, did you? Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Who did you get for her?
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Jonathan, Alan... Wilkinson.
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Lovely. Are you going to watch I'm a Celebrity with her?
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Will she like that?
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I'm not sure.
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Too grown up for her?
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No, I think she might enjoy it. Are you excited
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by that, Rob? Do you know who's in it?
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Yeah, it's been announced. Let's go through it.
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It's not my favourite show because I find it stressful.
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This is I'm a Celebrity. So this is what we do.
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We nick this off our friends, the Vaughans. Shout out
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to Vaughans. They get the Marks and Spencer's Christmas food.
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You're obsessed with the Marks and Spencer's Christmas food. You
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love it.
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It's a favourite thing of the year. And they get
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all of it. for the launch night of I'm a
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Celeb to taste it all to work out what it
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is they're going to get for Christmas.
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Bloody hell, I'm not into I'm a Celeb at all.
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I consume I'm a Celeb through you, Rob.
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Can I tell you who's in it?
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Shona McGarty. Okay.
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Kelly Brook.
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I'm still smiling from when she took my ticket to
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the Euros final.
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Martin Kemp. Okay.
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Martin Kemp.
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Eddie Caddy. Comedian Eddie Caddy. Lovely guy.
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I know who Eddie Caddy is. Yeah, lovely guy.
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Alex Scott. Yep. Ruby Wax. She's going to be a handful.
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There's your first where you go, that's a firecracker booking.
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Jack Osborne. And from You've Been Framed alumni, Lisa Riley. Oh,
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Lisa Riley. Don't you remember when she used to do
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You've Been Framed with her legs on the little chaise lounge?
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Of course, of course.
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I love Lisa Riley. I think I can probably tell
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you every host of You've Been Framed. I think it
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went Beedle. Yep. Riley. And then the one people forget.
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Wilkinson.
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Little Johnny Wilkes.
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Yeah, Wilko.
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And then Harry Hill.
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Yeah, not the rugby player.
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No, Jonathan Wilkes.
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Jonathan Wilkes. I said Wilkinson. Yeah, Johnny Wilkinson. No, no.
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Jonathan Wilkes.
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Jonathan Wilkes, Robbie Williams' best friend, was his job, I think. Yep.
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And can I just say on Lisa Riley? Yeah. I
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find it flabbergasting, to quote Kate Garraway, that Lisa Riley
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has never done I'm a Celebrity before. That feels like,
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that feels fucking mental.
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I feel like they must all be kicking themselves that
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Alison Hammond's done every reality show 10 years ago.
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Yes.
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She should be able to do The Return.
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Well, she wouldn't be doing them now, though.
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No, maybe.
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So, Lisa Riley. H, the rapper.
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Yeah.
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Vogue Williams.
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Yeah.
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Angry Ginge, the streamer.
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Do you know him? Sorry, what?
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Tom Reed Wilson. You know the receptionist from Celebs Go Day?
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I love Tom Reed Wilson.
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I did Sunday brunch with him. He is a lovely man.
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So, the weird thing here is, Who wins this?
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Okay.
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Now, my money normally goes on people that are in
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soaps or.
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Or McFly. Bands.
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McFly, Westlife, they always win because musicians, fans of music
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love it. And I think Martin Kemp has got to
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be in with a shout of winning it.
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Martin Kemp. Yeah, I'll buy that.
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I think more people are going to vote for Martin Kemp.
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The only thing is, these angry ginge... He's so popular
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and has a massive following with younger people.
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Sorry, you're going to need to explain Angry Ginge to me. No,
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but Angry Ginge, he's... But GK Barry didn't win.
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No, sorry, I don't think they've picked up the phone
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to vote or vote on the apps, but if KSI
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and all that lot get behind pushing their audience to
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vote for him.
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I don't think they're going to care that much, KSI
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and people like that, are they?
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They love Angry Ginge. That community, if all of them
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got together, they could win it easily. They just told
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all their followers to vote for him. But I think
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Martin Kemp potentially, because the kind of people that vote
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are Martin Kemp fans.
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Do you feel that is lacking a big name, a
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Killeen Rooney... a Matt Hancock, a Nigel Farage, a headline grabber.
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Do you know what? I think the big names are
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always open. Colleen Rooney, lovely woman, but she's not entertaining. Yeah.
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She's not an entertainer. Do you know what I mean? She's,
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you know, a mum. She's famous for being a footballer's wife.
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And you famously say mums aren't entertaining.
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That's your thing, isn't it?
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No.
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No, you've said that to me. Incorrect.
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Ruby Wax is a mum. She's very entertaining. Vogue Williams
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has a podcast. But like, see... I think you're better
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off getting people in that have got big personalities rather
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than big names. I hated all the Farage, Matt Hancock,
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all the politician ones.
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I didn't like that. So Rob is saying it here now.
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Martin Kemp, or if not Martin Kemp, the Angry Ginge.
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Do you want to see the odds? Shall we look
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at the odds?
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Yeah.
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Least likely, no offence, Eddie Caddy, lovely guy, but comedians,
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people never vote for comedians.
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Why don't they vote for comedians?
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So Martin Kemp, favourite, 4-1. Angry Ginge, 9-12, second favourite, Bosh.
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Tom Reed Wilson's up there.
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He's 16 to 1 on mine. Ruby Wax, 20 to 1.
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I don't know. Anyway.
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We'll see. Josh, Joe Wiley. Oh, yeah. We've got Joe Wiley.
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Excellent episode. We love Joe Wiley. What? Such a good voice.
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Oh, it's like caramel. Smooth. I bet she does some
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lovely voiceover work on adverts.
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Velvety hot chocolate, like you've put in one of those
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little battery-powered mini whisks they sell on TikTok.
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Do you know what? It's hot chocolate. It's not too hot.
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Stop keeping you in a Japanese cafe for an hour.
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Oh, lovely callback to Tuesday.
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Yeah, exactly. We're all part of one long narrative.
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Right, here's Joe Wiley. See you next week, Josh.
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Well, I'll see you afterwards. We do a bit after
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Joe Wiley.
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Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah, I'll see you for the
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bit that we've already called it.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. What? Ah? We're now going to sit
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here and we're going to listen to the Joe Wiley
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interview and then we're going to talk about it.
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We always do that. We listen to the full edit.
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We always do that.
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And then we have a little chat about what we felt.
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And then we have a meeting. We get bullet points
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of what we're going to cover. And then we press record.
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Yeah. And Michael then after that says, right, what five
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things can we improve for next week? Because never, ever
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let this drop. Never get your foot off the fucking gas.
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Jo Wiley, welcome to the show.
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Hello.
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Thanks for doing this.
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Nice to see you and hear you.
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You all right?
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Yeah.
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Do you know when you said that, I did think,
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you've got an iconic voice, haven't you, Joe? Because it's
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been in our ears for so long.
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And the name Joe Wiley, it's like that is radio.
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If you say Joe Wiley, it's almost like you've gone
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beyond a person into sort of just like functional mechanical
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aspects of what radio is. Do you feel that?
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That's weird.
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You've gone beyond a name.
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But saying my name is weird. My dad sometimes calls
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me Joe Wiley. And then my sister calls me that
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as well. And that's really weird. I'm always going, Dad,
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don't call me Joe Wiley. I'm your daughter. Just call
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me Joe. It's really strange.
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You always get double name. I would never think, hi, Joe.
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It's got to be Joe Wiley. Oh, God.
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That's weird.
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It's a good surname.
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Yeah, well, obviously, I used to love Pete Wiley. I
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used to love the mighty wharf.
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Do you like Wiley? I mean, obviously, Wiley's slightly now.
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Yeah, no, not tonight.
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No. No Wiley?
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No, we spell it differently.
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Yeah, he's spelled it differently. Yeah, Pete Wiley from White Rock.
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I really think no Wiley deserve more. Keep going.
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Jo, how many kids have you got?
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I've got four. I'm much further down the line than you. Yeah,
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I've got four kids.
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Are they Wiley's?
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They're Wiley Morton's, actually.
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Wiley Morton?
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Yeah, Steve's name is Morton. So, yeah, they've gone for
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Wiley Morton.
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Barney Morton or the.
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WMs we're always called the WMs like I never ever
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thought I'd have a hyphen in my name at all
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or my kids would but it just seemed to work.
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Yeah the WMs I like.
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How old are the kids show I mean, they're still kids.
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They're still my babies. India is 33. I've just had...
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Fuck off.
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Sorry, Jo, how old are you? What's going on here?
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I know, I know. I don't want to feel like.
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The weird bloke at the office do, but you definitely
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look too young to have a 33-year-old.
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I was so young when I had India. No, I
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wasn't actually. So India is 33, but she's still my baby, obviously.
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And then I've just had to text the two boys
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to check how old they are. So Jude is 26
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and he's going to be 27 at Christmas time. And
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then Cass is 24. And then Coco is just 17. Oh, wow.
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Wow.
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Are you empty nest territory or is the 17-year-old still there?
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Is the 24-year-old still there? What's the setup? Who's in
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the house?
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Right. The 33-year-old is still here. The 26-year-old is... He's
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just moved to London. The 24-year-old is still here. The
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17-year-old is still here. It's a commune. It's not so
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much a house. It's a commune.
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Full nest.
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It's still pretty full nest.
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Yeah, I'm not letting them go at all.
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I don't know why, but I... remember you i used
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to watch the glastonbury coverage quite religiously yeah and you
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used to take your what presumably india your oldest daughter
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yeah so you had india at kind of the height
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of yeah it would have been the mid 90s wouldn't
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it when you were kind of hosting glastonbury and you
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were kind of doing the evening session and stuff so
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was that quite different to your peers at that point.
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Yeah it was i was definitely the first one of
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my friends to have children and because I was so
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extraordinarily young. No, I had her in 93. So I
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was pregnant in 92 when I was working on The Word.
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So I was pregnant at the same time as Courtney Love.
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What a place to be pregnant.
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I was working on The Word and I was really
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heavily pregnant. And it was really strange because It just
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wasn't the done thing. So I remember when Courtney came
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on the show, I was like, oh my God, another
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pregnant human person. This is really good. Who's quite cool.
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And did you share parenting techniques with Courtney Love? Parenting tips?
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No, Amanda Ducadene. She was also pregnant around the same time.
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So I remember being in hospital and it was UCH,
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I think, in London. And they had pay phones on
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the wall. And when the midwives came along, she went,
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there's a phone call for you at the pay phone.
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And I was like wheeled along to the pay phone.
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And then this voice was like, Hi, it's Amanda. I've
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just had my baby. Have you had yours yet? And
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Amanda Ducadene called me. I know it was weird because
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she was quite a lot younger than I was.
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What, just called the hospital pay phone?
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Yes. I kid you not. I kid you not. So
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I've kept in touch with Amanda over the years, which
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is really quite lovely.
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Was bringing up India in that kind of situation... Was
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she exposed to a lot of that kind of world
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and stuff? Or were you living to.
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Payphones. Yeah.
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Payphones, yeah. Remember those. No, she was just part of
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the gang. Just like you, I think. You both take
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your kids on tour with you, don't you?
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Not all the time.
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Not all the time.
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I took them to a sound check on Saturday and
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they loved it. And then they asked if they could
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come last night. And I was like, I need a
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bit of space before the show.
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Yeah. No, but if you're on stage and you're doing shows,
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I understand. I mean, my kids won't come to shows
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with me now at all. But no, at the time
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I used to, because I carried on working. I remember
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because I was working on The Word, got pregnant, went
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and told the bosses. And I was really worried because
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it was like such a great break to be working
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on that show. And then going in and saying, oh God, actually,
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I'm going to have a baby. And I thought they'd say, okay, bye,
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see you. But they didn't. They were very progressive. It
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was Charlie Parsons and it was Planet 24. And they
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just went, oh. When will you be able to bring
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her in? How's that going to work? And so I
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just literally used to drive from Golders Green in London
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down to Parsons Green, I think it was, or wherever
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the word was. And India would just come to meetings.
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She'd crawled across the table. I had a mani. My
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friend Dave looked after her. So he'd just walk around
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the office all the time with her. And she just
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fitted in. It was just what we had to do.
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She probably behaved in all the coke heads on telly
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in the 90s at that point, roaming the offices.
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Can you imagine? Yeah.
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I love that our view of TV in the 90s
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is that you're not being sacked for being pregnant is
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considered progressive.
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Yes, I know.
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They were very progressive. They didn't sack me for being pregnant.
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Obviously being pregnant was a new thing around 93. Yeah,
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of course.
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But women weren't, you know, I think Janice Long, there
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was a lot of speculation about why she left Radio 1.
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I don't know the truth, but I know that she
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got pregnant. Annie Nightingale never talked about having kids. It
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just wasn't done. You just kind of, you just didn't
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talk about it. And it was only when I was
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doing Glastonbury with John Peel and he used to talk
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about his family and his children all the time, like
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when in between bits. And I just used to sit
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there thinking, oh my God, actually, it's all right to
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talk about your children. You can acknowledge your mother or father.
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And families are great and it's okay. And that was
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a massive turning point. Because it wasn't, I didn't really
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want to mention being a mother on the evening session.
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It definitely didn't feel like the cool thing to do then.
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So I really, I definitely did not talk about parenting
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or nappies or anything like that when I was there.
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What time was the evening session? Seven till 10?
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Seven till nine.
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Yeah. Seven till nine.
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How did that fit in with parenting then? Well, you
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basically got out of all the bedtimes.
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No, I missed the special evenings with my daughter. Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. No,
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it was all right because I'd be at home.
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It's good for daytime, yeah.
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It's good for daytime, but it's not good for the evening.
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I mean, it's the same now. I'm still on air
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seven till nine and it's really hard on the kids. And,
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you know, I really miss being with them in the evenings. Sorry,
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I've got a kitten in the room with me now
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and it's just jumping up trying to attack the leads.
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Oh, get a kitten involved. That's fine.
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He might appear.
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Because I think with the kids though, like when they're young,
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like Josh was saying, it is a bit like hard
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going when you've got to do the bed routine and
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they're getting up and stuff. But when they get older
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and they're teenagers or whatever and they're at school, that's
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quite an important time because you don't really see them
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in the morning as they leave. They're at school all
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day or at work or college. And then if you
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have to go out as soon as they get in,
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it puts a lot of pressure on weekends because otherwise
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you just don't see them.
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It's pretty hard. When I was doing the live lounge,
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I remember after doing the evening session and then I
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had Jude and Cass and I just used to have
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to take them into work with me. So we'd go
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into the live lounge. I would literally take the television
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out of the kitchen and I'd put it in the
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car and then I'd put whichever child it was. I
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think it was probably India. Put her in the car
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as well. I'd drive into Radio 1. I'd take her in,
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give her to somebody. I'd take the TV in. I'd
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plug that in in the live lounge. Then I'd do
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my show and then we'd all go home again. That
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is incredible. Because I had to. I didn't have my
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mum and dad around. They weren't there. They didn't live
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in London. And I wanted to be with them as
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much as possible. No iPads. I know. No phones, no
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mobile phones. She's 33. I'll remind you, it must've been her.
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So yeah, it was the only thing I could do
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was take the TV.
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Yeah.
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And did they meet some incredibly exciting people that they
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didn't realise were incredibly exciting?
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Yeah, they must have done. I've got a photograph of
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Jude when he was tiny with Michael Stipe.
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I thought you were going to drop Jackson then. That
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was a cliche.
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There were a few people I could mention, but I'm
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not going to just yet. Which ones have been cancelled?
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We've taken those photographs off the wall.
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Bill Cosby, Hawaiian Steve, and he came into town.
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He did a great cover, didn't he? Yeah. Are they
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impressed by, because you have kind of, you know, been
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making cool radio with cool bands and solo artists for
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30 years, doing Glastonbury, doing all this kind of stuff.
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That's quite exciting for kids, right? Or are they underwhelmed?
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It's just their life. They don't know anything any different
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at all. So these people that they meet are just friends.
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Shall I say Chris Martin, he has met them a
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lot of times because he's done a lot of my
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radio shows and a lot of charity events and things
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like that. So he's just someone that they know who
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is a really nice person. We went to Glastonbury once,
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and I think they played on the Pyramid Stage. And afterwards,
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he came to say hello. And he ended up, he
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was like, oh, where's India? Where's India? Because he'd known
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her for a long time. And I said, well, she's
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in bed in the caravan with Georgia, her friend. And
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he was like, oh, I'll go and see them. And
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so he went in there and ended up reading them
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a nighttime bedtime story.
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After he'd headlined Glastonbury? Yeah. Yeah.
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Which was very, very sweet.
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Yeah, that is incredible.
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Some people are really famous and it's very exciting. Like
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Coco meeting Billie Eilish was a massive, massive event.
493
00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:34.460
For Billie Eilish.
494
00:19:35.400 --> 00:19:37.420
For Billie Eilish, yeah. She was blown away.
495
00:19:37.579 --> 00:19:41.079
Are you the Coco Wiley?
496
00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:42.160
Yeah, yeah.
497
00:19:42.180 --> 00:19:42.720
Coco WM?
498
00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:45.589
Yeah, Coco WM, as she's known. But on the whole,
499
00:19:45.609 --> 00:19:48.369
they don't know any different. People are people, aren't they?
500
00:19:48.609 --> 00:19:51.329
Is it tiring having to know what music's called?
501
00:19:52.450 --> 00:19:53.750
Is it tiring? Really tiring.
502
00:19:53.950 --> 00:19:55.930
You just get your head around one and then that's shit.
503
00:19:55.990 --> 00:19:57.769
And then this is the new thing. And do you
504
00:19:57.789 --> 00:20:00.059
have to fake it a bit sometimes when you go, right,
505
00:20:00.380 --> 00:20:02.619
this is a new thing. Everyone's excited. I'm not that bothered,
506
00:20:02.650 --> 00:20:04.299
but I've got to sound like it because everyone else
507
00:20:04.339 --> 00:20:06.779
loves it. Give it the full welly.
508
00:20:07.140 --> 00:20:08.700
I mean, I'm really lucky with my show because I
509
00:20:08.740 --> 00:20:10.299
play the kind of stuff that I really like. So
510
00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:11.759
it's not like I'm on Radio 1 now and I'm
511
00:20:11.779 --> 00:20:13.569
having to play stuff that I know nothing about.
512
00:20:13.609 --> 00:20:16.609
Yeah, I tell you what, Greg James's face must ache.
513
00:20:17.470 --> 00:20:19.329
I listened to Greg this morning. He was playing a
514
00:20:19.349 --> 00:20:20.609
couple of things. I was like, what?
515
00:20:20.869 --> 00:20:21.009
Oh, God.
516
00:20:21.750 --> 00:20:24.829
He can't possibly know or care about all the new singers.
517
00:20:25.789 --> 00:20:27.349
I had that exact thought this morning.
518
00:20:27.670 --> 00:20:31.650
It's weirder if he does, isn't it? The four-year-old bloke
519
00:20:31.690 --> 00:20:33.890
that knows what all the 15-year-olds are listening to.
520
00:20:34.730 --> 00:20:38.119
I'm really grateful I've got Coco. I mean, last year
521
00:20:38.160 --> 00:20:41.319
was amazing for women singers. So from Chapel Roan to
522
00:20:41.660 --> 00:20:45.519
Phoebe Bridges and umpteen different singers, songwriters. And so she
523
00:20:45.539 --> 00:20:47.089
was introducing me to loads of those because she was
524
00:20:47.150 --> 00:20:50.750
obsessed with them, which has been very, very handy. But yeah,
525
00:20:50.869 --> 00:20:53.309
I don't play banging techno kind of stuff that I
526
00:20:53.410 --> 00:20:55.430
don't understand on the radio. Thank God.
527
00:20:55.549 --> 00:20:56.049
Oh, that's good.
528
00:20:56.150 --> 00:20:58.980
One more music question. Do you ever... Can you separate,
529
00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:00.819
because you say obviously Chris Martin, I mean, he's well
530
00:21:00.859 --> 00:21:03.400
known as being a very nice man. He's lovely and stuff.
531
00:21:03.460 --> 00:21:09.000
No, if you're having an affair, he's not. A little grass. Snitch.
532
00:21:11.420 --> 00:21:13.759
Terrible last bloke you want to see.
533
00:21:14.799 --> 00:21:16.980
Can you separate the music from the people? Have you
534
00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:19.359
ever met, you don't need to name names, but have
535
00:21:19.380 --> 00:21:22.740
you met a band that you love the music of
536
00:21:22.779 --> 00:21:25.740
and then they're absolute wankers and it's ruined it for them?
537
00:21:25.940 --> 00:21:26.910
Or does it not ruin it?
538
00:21:27.369 --> 00:21:29.450
Well, it ruined it for a long time. And then
539
00:21:29.509 --> 00:21:31.809
ultimately I was like, the music is just too good
540
00:21:31.849 --> 00:21:34.269
for me to hate them forever. So I'll quite like them.
541
00:21:34.950 --> 00:21:36.970
Obviously I'm not mentioning names at all. You can play
542
00:21:36.990 --> 00:21:38.410
a guessing game, but I won't.
543
00:21:38.470 --> 00:21:40.670
But it's good they're back together and playing stadiums, isn't
544
00:21:40.710 --> 00:21:41.009
it Jo?
545
00:21:41.250 --> 00:21:46.279
It's very disappointing. No comment.
546
00:21:47.980 --> 00:21:52.319
And with your kids, would you consider yourself then, you know,
547
00:21:52.339 --> 00:21:54.640
you're saying that your daughter's talking to you about music
548
00:21:54.680 --> 00:21:56.539
and all this kind of stuff. And obviously, you know,
549
00:21:56.599 --> 00:22:02.029
Chris Martin, Do you struggle to become like the normal parent?
550
00:22:02.109 --> 00:22:04.609
Are you down with the kids or are you kind
551
00:22:04.650 --> 00:22:07.589
of stern? And, you know, is there a hierarchy or
552
00:22:07.609 --> 00:22:08.619
are you trying to be their friend?
553
00:22:09.180 --> 00:22:11.119
I think I am their friend. I mean, they take
554
00:22:11.140 --> 00:22:13.299
this out of me constantly. I, you know, I'm also,
555
00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:14.220
I'm the object.
556
00:22:14.240 --> 00:22:15.019
That's what you want.
557
00:22:15.180 --> 00:22:16.859
I'm not the cool mum. They take Mickey out of
558
00:22:16.880 --> 00:22:17.960
me all the time.
559
00:22:18.279 --> 00:22:19.880
I think that's the best thing you can have as
560
00:22:19.940 --> 00:22:22.150
a parent is to be the butt of the joke, right?
561
00:22:22.289 --> 00:22:23.869
Yeah. You don't want to be living in fear of the,
562
00:22:23.990 --> 00:22:26.220
you know. of the parent like that you can't take
563
00:22:26.460 --> 00:22:27.220
the piss out of.
564
00:22:27.339 --> 00:22:28.980
Oh my god no no no no that's how I
565
00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:31.769
want it to be I'm absolutely and I'm not strict
566
00:22:31.809 --> 00:22:34.089
I've never been strict I've only ever been laid back
567
00:22:34.130 --> 00:22:35.809
and I'll let them do whatever they like there's never
568
00:22:35.829 --> 00:22:39.089
been any like major rules or we're not we're so
569
00:22:39.170 --> 00:22:42.710
not uptight and we'll have loads of parties and I
570
00:22:42.750 --> 00:22:44.859
think we've brought them up pretty well so that they
571
00:22:44.920 --> 00:22:47.220
know what rules and how not to get into too
572
00:22:47.259 --> 00:22:49.339
much trouble and to come and talk to us so
573
00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:52.940
I think they're obviously all very different personalities very very
574
00:22:52.980 --> 00:22:56.630
different But no, I could never be the strict parent.
575
00:22:56.970 --> 00:22:59.029
How much are you doing for a 33-year-old that lives
576
00:22:59.069 --> 00:23:00.690
in your house then? Because it's almost like having a
577
00:23:00.710 --> 00:23:03.880
lodger because you're not really being mum. Yeah, so are
578
00:23:03.890 --> 00:23:07.240
you still doing the washing for them? Are you telling
579
00:23:07.259 --> 00:23:09.039
them to tidy their room?
580
00:23:09.480 --> 00:23:11.640
No, what's happening, she lives here with her boyfriend, so
581
00:23:11.660 --> 00:23:14.099
they're just buying a house. We've now got to that stage.
582
00:23:14.140 --> 00:23:17.000
So her and her boyfriend, Alex, are living around here
583
00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:18.799
and they're buying a house. So at the moment, but
584
00:23:18.839 --> 00:23:22.220
she's scary. India is a photographer, food photographer. a really
585
00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:24.740
good cook. So she's like Gordon Ramsay in the kitchen.
586
00:23:24.779 --> 00:23:27.230
So if ever it gets to mealtime, so I'm just like, Oh,
587
00:23:27.269 --> 00:23:28.950
I'm backing off. I'm getting out of here because she will,
588
00:23:29.450 --> 00:23:30.930
she's got a knife in her hand. And if I,
589
00:23:31.009 --> 00:23:33.450
if I do something wrong, then she's, she's trouble.
590
00:23:33.750 --> 00:23:38.259
It says so much about our culture that a 33
591
00:23:38.259 --> 00:23:42.039
year old, like when you were like, she's buying a house.
592
00:23:42.059 --> 00:23:44.839
It was like, Oh, that's impressive. Like it's so mad
593
00:23:44.900 --> 00:23:48.109
that it's come to the point. where it's that difficult
594
00:23:48.170 --> 00:23:50.529
for people below our generation to buy a house.
595
00:23:50.890 --> 00:23:51.450
It's a nightmare.
596
00:23:51.529 --> 00:23:53.730
It's wild, isn't it? Sorry, I ended up just making
597
00:23:53.750 --> 00:23:54.809
a political point there.
598
00:23:54.930 --> 00:23:57.089
No, it's true though, because only a couple of generations ago,
599
00:23:57.410 --> 00:23:59.339
my nan and granddad would be like, well, I remember
600
00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:02.039
I met your nan when I was 17, we got
601
00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:04.079
married at 18, we had three kids by 25 and
602
00:24:04.099 --> 00:24:06.259
bought a house at 22. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How did
603
00:24:06.299 --> 00:24:06.759
that happen?
604
00:24:07.059 --> 00:24:10.019
It's been really interesting watching her grow up and just
605
00:24:10.039 --> 00:24:13.359
seeing the difference. So yeah, she's 33, but she wanted
606
00:24:13.380 --> 00:24:15.559
to have a career and she's Had an amazing life.
607
00:24:15.579 --> 00:24:17.700
She's done loads of traveling. And time, the years just
608
00:24:17.740 --> 00:24:20.789
go by really quickly. And you're suddenly going, oh my gosh, yeah.
609
00:24:21.170 --> 00:24:23.650
And trying to buy a house in London was absolutely impossible.
610
00:24:23.789 --> 00:24:24.910
It's wild, isn't it?
611
00:24:24.950 --> 00:24:26.849
They're hopefully going to have a house. But at the moment,
612
00:24:26.869 --> 00:24:30.210
they're hanging on living here, which I have no problem with.
613
00:24:30.230 --> 00:24:31.000
Are you loving it?
614
00:24:31.430 --> 00:24:34.160
I love it. Yeah, yeah. I'm constantly in fear of
615
00:24:34.220 --> 00:24:35.380
the empty nest syndrome.
616
00:24:35.700 --> 00:24:36.059
Are you?
617
00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:36.160
Yeah.
618
00:24:36.940 --> 00:24:38.109
Aren't you?
619
00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:45.230
Yes. And my daughter turned eight in October. And- I
620
00:24:45.269 --> 00:24:49.819
was like, Jesus Christ, that's halfway to 16. Yeah. But
621
00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:51.380
do you know what I mean? You're like, we are
622
00:24:52.039 --> 00:24:56.430
halfway to like 16 feels like the age where they're
623
00:24:56.910 --> 00:24:58.029
not a growth. But do you know what I mean?
624
00:24:58.049 --> 00:24:59.609
That feels like the age where.
625
00:24:59.410 --> 00:25:02.009
You can buy a cigarette from a shop and walk
626
00:25:02.049 --> 00:25:04.170
out smoking in front of your face. And legally, there's
627
00:25:04.230 --> 00:25:04.809
nothing you can do.
628
00:25:05.049 --> 00:25:05.650
Oh, exactly.
629
00:25:05.730 --> 00:25:06.500
They just go, yeah, that's me.
630
00:25:07.329 --> 00:25:10.250
It's like a clock ticking down all the time, you know,
631
00:25:10.390 --> 00:25:13.869
with Coco being 17. Being 17, I was like, oh
632
00:25:13.910 --> 00:25:16.609
my God, that really does feel old. 16 actually felt okay.
633
00:25:16.609 --> 00:25:18.740
17 feels proper grown up, yeah.
634
00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:20.160
You've just given Josh another year.
635
00:25:20.180 --> 00:25:24.019
Yeah, it's okay. 17, then it's all over. But no,
636
00:25:24.059 --> 00:25:27.680
she's really happy living here. But my idea is that
637
00:25:27.700 --> 00:25:30.039
you make the house as fun as possible and they
638
00:25:30.059 --> 00:25:32.140
never want to leave. That's what we've always tried to do.
639
00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:33.839
Just make it, you know. Do you want to party?
640
00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:36.019
You can have a party. You don't want to go
641
00:25:36.039 --> 00:25:37.700
to bed? You don't have to go to bed.
642
00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:38.740
Isn't that a bit.
643
00:25:38.859 --> 00:25:39.279
Desperate.
644
00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:41.599
Yeah, is it a bit desperate and pathetic?
645
00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:44.759
Yeah, absolutely. Because that's what me and Lou want to do.
646
00:25:45.380 --> 00:25:49.119
But is it a point where you're just like, please don't... When.
647
00:25:49.420 --> 00:25:51.609
Does it become a hostage situation?
648
00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:54.430
Yeah, exactly. When do they just feel sorry for us?
649
00:25:56.029 --> 00:25:57.970
When they're just turning up because of pity.
650
00:25:59.960 --> 00:26:01.759
But kids don't do anything out of pity, do they?
651
00:26:01.779 --> 00:26:05.500
Because kids are, oh God, I always say they're selfish,
652
00:26:05.539 --> 00:26:08.410
but they've got to be to survive and to be adults.
653
00:26:08.450 --> 00:26:10.670
They need to be selfish. But sometimes the way they
654
00:26:10.710 --> 00:26:13.329
behave is like a dagger in your heart. I mean,
655
00:26:13.349 --> 00:26:14.549
they might just be saying they're going out for the
656
00:26:14.609 --> 00:26:17.589
night and maybe I overreact. I'm like, you're going out tonight.
657
00:26:18.250 --> 00:26:20.039
But I just always want to do everything with them
658
00:26:20.059 --> 00:26:21.539
because they're my favorite people in the world and we
659
00:26:21.559 --> 00:26:23.720
have so much fun. And they really like each other,
660
00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:26.460
like the four of them. They're each other's best friends.
661
00:26:26.819 --> 00:26:28.539
Have you got a WM WhatsApp group?
662
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:30.680
Oh, there's loads of different ones.
663
00:26:30.779 --> 00:26:32.839
There's always the ones where some people are in and
664
00:26:32.859 --> 00:26:33.799
some people are out.
665
00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:37.259
And I know definitely there's a siblings one, which when
666
00:26:37.299 --> 00:26:39.819
I found out about that, I was like, sorry, can
667
00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:41.380
dad and I not be part of this? What do
668
00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:42.269
you say about us?
669
00:26:42.289 --> 00:26:44.869
We'll make this WhatsApp group fun. I've got loads of memes.
670
00:26:45.869 --> 00:26:48.109
What are you saying about me in that siblings group?
671
00:26:48.750 --> 00:26:49.470
That's all it is.
672
00:26:49.569 --> 00:26:51.890
I reckon if you, if you read that siblings group,
673
00:26:51.950 --> 00:26:53.890
it would probably be the worst day of your life.
674
00:26:54.170 --> 00:26:54.839
It would destroy me.
675
00:26:55.319 --> 00:26:56.319
Oh, it would destroy me.
676
00:26:56.539 --> 00:26:58.859
It would destroy me. Oh, my God.
677
00:26:59.019 --> 00:27:01.769
What are the house rules then with people? Obviously, there's
678
00:27:02.390 --> 00:27:03.930
three of them living there. Well, four of them with
679
00:27:03.950 --> 00:27:06.589
the boyfriend. And you've got a 33-year-old that obviously comes
680
00:27:06.609 --> 00:27:08.950
and goes as she wants. But then there's a 17-year-old
681
00:27:08.990 --> 00:27:10.970
where there's sort of ground rules. And I imagine the
682
00:27:11.009 --> 00:27:13.279
ground rules for the 17-year-old are a lot more lenient
683
00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:15.359
than they were for your eldest.
684
00:27:15.619 --> 00:27:17.599
There were no rules. We've never had rules.
685
00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:20.400
Well, I imagine if I asked your eldest... she would
686
00:27:20.460 --> 00:27:23.119
go the 17 year old gets away with murder compared
687
00:27:23.140 --> 00:27:24.259
to me I don't think.
688
00:27:24.099 --> 00:27:26.259
So I really really don't think so I kind of
689
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:27.779
want to go and get her now to have her
690
00:27:27.819 --> 00:27:30.569
in here and she can join in the conversation or we.
691
00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:33.309
Wait till this goes out that siblings group's gonna be flying.
692
00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:35.029
Oh I know can you yeah they were like you're
693
00:27:35.069 --> 00:27:36.829
doing that show what are you gonna say about us
694
00:27:36.910 --> 00:27:38.569
I was like I will say nothing bad at all
695
00:27:38.609 --> 00:27:42.170
honestly no India would probably definitely say that well everybody
696
00:27:42.210 --> 00:27:45.470
says that um because Coco's my my youngest and my
697
00:27:45.509 --> 00:27:47.690
baby obviously that yeah they probably do think she gets
698
00:27:47.710 --> 00:27:50.599
away with murder but I think they've all got away
699
00:27:50.619 --> 00:27:52.660
with murder all their lives. I'm now paranoid about what
700
00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:53.259
I'm going to say.
701
00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:54.259
Oh, no.
702
00:27:54.299 --> 00:27:55.779
Well, you know, you can only say the truth.
703
00:27:56.480 --> 00:27:59.019
At what age do you start charging them keep?
704
00:28:00.019 --> 00:28:05.180
Okay, that's the thing. Because India went to college. She
705
00:28:05.200 --> 00:28:08.509
went to Falmouth and had a really great time. Two
706
00:28:08.549 --> 00:28:10.029
of my kids went to Falmouth, so we know it
707
00:28:10.069 --> 00:28:12.009
quite well. It's a really nice place.
708
00:28:12.029 --> 00:28:13.569
Did they stay there after uni?
709
00:28:14.130 --> 00:28:16.450
No, well, India just keeps returning. She loves Cornwall so
710
00:28:16.529 --> 00:28:19.410
much because she had such a great time. And Cass
711
00:28:19.470 --> 00:28:21.230
loves it down there as well. So yeah, it's a
712
00:28:21.309 --> 00:28:23.279
really nice place. So, but when she came back, we've
713
00:28:23.299 --> 00:28:25.720
got these little like stable blocks. And so she stayed
714
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:27.460
in one of the flats for a while and she
715
00:28:27.500 --> 00:28:30.519
was kind of commuting and we did charge her rent
716
00:28:31.099 --> 00:28:32.440
and that did not go down very well. And I
717
00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:34.039
don't think we're ever, ever going to be allowed to
718
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:37.400
forget that. And it was, it was kind of, it
719
00:28:37.420 --> 00:28:40.329
was a difficult thing in Steve and mine's relationship because
720
00:28:40.349 --> 00:28:41.930
I would have let her stay there for free. I
721
00:28:42.069 --> 00:28:43.769
can't bear the thought of charging our kids to do
722
00:28:43.849 --> 00:28:46.319
anything at all. Whereas he was like, no, we must
723
00:28:46.359 --> 00:28:48.319
be grown up and we must charge rent. And now
724
00:28:48.380 --> 00:28:51.039
India will never, ever, ever let us forget that at all.
725
00:28:51.559 --> 00:28:53.079
Have the others have never been charged rent?
726
00:28:53.740 --> 00:28:56.630
Not yet. No. None of the others have. That's the problem.
727
00:28:56.650 --> 00:28:58.650
This is why India's got this massive chip on our shoulders.
728
00:28:58.710 --> 00:29:00.150
How long was she paying rent for then?
729
00:29:00.529 --> 00:29:02.589
Oh, I don't know. I don't know. A couple of years.
730
00:29:02.630 --> 00:29:03.950
I don't get involved in the money side of the
731
00:29:03.970 --> 00:29:06.880
family at all. A couple of years? But she's now
732
00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:09.440
living there rent free. So it's all fine. We're redressing
733
00:29:09.460 --> 00:29:09.900
the balance.
734
00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:12.859
Right. I imagine that, Jo, you were paying it into
735
00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:14.789
her account as she was paying it out because you
736
00:29:14.809 --> 00:29:15.710
felt so guilty.
737
00:29:15.829 --> 00:29:18.069
Yeah, me. Yeah, I know. I do have that arrangement.
738
00:29:18.089 --> 00:29:18.970
I'm so like that.
739
00:29:19.329 --> 00:29:21.670
And you and Zoe Ball have got a podcast, which
740
00:29:21.710 --> 00:29:23.009
has gone huge.
741
00:29:23.369 --> 00:29:24.609
Yeah, no, it seems to be doing all right.
742
00:29:24.630 --> 00:29:24.849
Yeah.
743
00:29:24.890 --> 00:29:26.960
People seem to be quite liking it, which is good.
744
00:29:26.980 --> 00:29:30.599
It's filled a hole which didn't exist, really, which is
745
00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:34.549
It's really honest in the sense of you're both at
746
00:29:34.630 --> 00:29:36.769
a certain time in your life that I don't think
747
00:29:36.849 --> 00:29:42.329
is talked about much in podcast, which is kind of, well,
748
00:29:42.910 --> 00:29:44.470
Difficult to put a label on.
749
00:29:44.490 --> 00:29:45.730
Go on, Josh.
750
00:29:45.769 --> 00:29:46.390
What are we?
751
00:29:46.450 --> 00:29:46.829
What are we?
752
00:29:46.849 --> 00:29:47.089
Go on.
753
00:29:47.289 --> 00:29:49.829
Stage of life. Late 20s.
754
00:29:49.890 --> 00:29:51.950
Is it late 20s? I think it is.
755
00:29:52.009 --> 00:29:53.450
A woman of a certain age.
756
00:29:54.289 --> 00:29:56.970
That difficult 30th birthday coming up. It's always a little
757
00:29:56.990 --> 00:29:57.690
bit of a head fuck.
758
00:29:57.690 --> 00:30:00.599
39 again, I think it is.
759
00:30:01.059 --> 00:30:01.279
Yeah.
760
00:30:01.339 --> 00:30:04.240
All these people who are 39 again and who are
761
00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:07.839
having to deal with everything that's kind of chaotic in life.
762
00:30:07.900 --> 00:30:09.960
So the kids growing up and how you deal with
763
00:30:09.980 --> 00:30:13.759
that and then trying to grapple with aging and how
764
00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:17.279
you look, how that changes and your body, how that feels.
765
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:21.009
And then your parents and then work and your friends
766
00:30:21.089 --> 00:30:25.130
and people dying and people being bought. It's like all
767
00:30:25.170 --> 00:30:27.160
the crazy chaos of life that you have to deal with.
768
00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:29.390
You have no choice. And we just discussed that.
769
00:30:29.509 --> 00:30:31.619
I don't think people have heard you and Zoe talk
770
00:30:31.630 --> 00:30:34.039
about that kind of stuff, because obviously on the radio shows,
771
00:30:34.059 --> 00:30:36.859
you're either really talking about music in depth or like,
772
00:30:36.940 --> 00:30:38.900
especially with Zoe on The Breakfast Show, it's like, get
773
00:30:38.940 --> 00:30:43.430
everyone up and excited for, you know, for work and school. Jolly, jolly, jolly. Whereas,
774
00:30:43.450 --> 00:30:44.690
you know, some of your clips, I've seen some of
775
00:30:44.730 --> 00:30:46.269
this stuff and it's like really honest and some of
776
00:30:46.309 --> 00:30:48.569
it's quite like heartbreaking stuff you talk about. It's really
777
00:30:48.589 --> 00:30:51.710
important things. to chat about but like did you feel
778
00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:53.599
comfortable being that honest at the start or did it
779
00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:55.720
feel a bit different because you know you don't really
780
00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:56.900
like you say you never even used to talk about
781
00:30:56.920 --> 00:30:59.380
having kids at the start of your radio i think we.
782
00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:01.220
Had the same thing didn't we as well that we
783
00:31:01.259 --> 00:31:03.119
got more well we got more and more honest as
784
00:31:03.140 --> 00:31:05.140
we felt comfortable.
785
00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:06.640
With it i think neither of us had ever done
786
00:31:06.660 --> 00:31:09.670
podcasts and we didn't listen to podcasts um at all
787
00:31:09.690 --> 00:31:11.529
so we didn't really know what we were doing we
788
00:31:11.549 --> 00:31:12.470
were just sitting.
789
00:31:12.170 --> 00:31:16.240
Very rude of you We've been plugging away for years, Joe.
790
00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:20.309
Legacy media, legacy stars just jumping on the hot battle
791
00:31:20.349 --> 00:31:22.549
wagon with all their towels of woe.
792
00:31:26.369 --> 00:31:30.309
Guilty. Listen, Zoe asked me if I wanted to do
793
00:31:30.329 --> 00:31:32.099
it and I was like, yeah, I think so. Everyone
794
00:31:32.140 --> 00:31:35.240
keeps saying I should do a podcast. And you're basically,
795
00:31:35.259 --> 00:31:36.799
you're sitting in your room in your house, aren't you?
796
00:31:36.859 --> 00:31:39.599
So you feel really relaxed and you don't, you don't
797
00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:42.259
actually think that I think for about the first Two months,
798
00:31:42.299 --> 00:31:44.299
I didn't actually think anyone would listen or watch what
799
00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:46.160
we were doing. So I was just talking to Zoe.
800
00:31:46.539 --> 00:31:48.599
And then it was only when people kept saying, I
801
00:31:48.619 --> 00:31:50.299
think you might have mentioned me in your podcast the
802
00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:53.240
other day. My 90-year-old neighbor, Roy, I was saying how
803
00:31:53.259 --> 00:31:55.539
we have these parties that never stop and go on
804
00:31:55.579 --> 00:31:58.220
all night. And I said, I worry about my neighbor, Roy,
805
00:31:58.240 --> 00:32:00.349
because he's 90 years old. And then I went to
806
00:32:00.390 --> 00:32:01.849
visit him when it was his birthday. And he was like,
807
00:32:02.130 --> 00:32:03.930
I hear you talked about me on your podcast about
808
00:32:03.950 --> 00:32:05.789
the noise that you make and keep me awake all night.
809
00:32:05.809 --> 00:32:07.150
I was like, oh, shit.
810
00:32:07.829 --> 00:32:10.250
There is that feeling that you are just talking to
811
00:32:10.289 --> 00:32:12.630
a mate and then I know this sounds like kind
812
00:32:12.670 --> 00:32:16.009
of naive and glib, but it is still a surprise
813
00:32:16.049 --> 00:32:18.049
when people have listened. Do you know what I mean?
814
00:32:18.109 --> 00:32:20.630
And people have heard what you've said about them, I think.
815
00:32:21.109 --> 00:32:23.250
I don't know. It's just, it's very easy to open up.
816
00:32:23.349 --> 00:32:25.210
And obviously, because I've known Zoe forever and we've had
817
00:32:25.230 --> 00:32:28.210
very similar lives and we've got similar stuff going on.
818
00:32:28.769 --> 00:32:30.900
There are differences. I've kind of got a lot of
819
00:32:30.950 --> 00:32:33.779
chaos because the kids are around and it's, I don't know.
820
00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:35.779
I was hearing you talk before we started to do
821
00:32:35.819 --> 00:32:37.740
this and life is just so busy, isn't it? It's
822
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:40.759
really manic. And trying to keep your head afloat when
823
00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:43.700
everything else is going on is quite hard. And Zoe
824
00:32:43.740 --> 00:32:45.750
lives in a city because I'm in the countryside. So
825
00:32:45.789 --> 00:32:48.369
our lives are kind of parallel, but also quite different.
826
00:32:48.390 --> 00:32:49.869
So we've just got loads to talk about.
827
00:32:50.089 --> 00:32:52.089
So are you proper middle of nowhere, Jo?
828
00:32:52.509 --> 00:32:56.009
Well, we're outside of Milton Keynes. We're near Silverstone. It's
829
00:32:56.049 --> 00:32:58.289
not in the middle of nowhere, but it's far enough away.
830
00:32:58.349 --> 00:33:00.430
So were you ferrying your kids a lot when you
831
00:33:00.450 --> 00:33:03.619
were a mum? Like, of younger kids before they could drive?
832
00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:06.259
Well, to school and to clubs and stuff like that, yeah.
833
00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:08.359
You have to, don't you, when you live in the countryside?
834
00:33:08.380 --> 00:33:08.460
Yeah.
835
00:33:08.869 --> 00:33:11.849
Like every party, every party is about half an hour away.
836
00:33:12.569 --> 00:33:14.009
So you're like, oh, of course I'll come and pick
837
00:33:14.029 --> 00:33:16.529
you up at two o'clock in the morning. That's absolutely fine.
838
00:33:16.549 --> 00:33:17.609
So do lots of that.
839
00:33:17.890 --> 00:33:19.450
That's what we have to do. We're a bit further out.
840
00:33:19.470 --> 00:33:22.250
So it's like, it's fine because the school's like 25
841
00:33:22.250 --> 00:33:24.410
minutes away, which is sort of fine. But then if
842
00:33:24.490 --> 00:33:26.559
a party or an event's happening like the other side
843
00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:29.380
of the school, because obviously people live, however, in a
844
00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:31.279
radius of it. It's like, you could be looking, staring
845
00:33:31.299 --> 00:33:32.980
down the barrel of like 25 minutes to the school,
846
00:33:33.319 --> 00:33:35.160
another 25 minutes past. You're like, this is a 50
847
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:38.420
minute journey here for an hour and a half party.
848
00:33:38.859 --> 00:33:40.680
Yeah. Oh, no, you write off your evenings. It gets
849
00:33:40.700 --> 00:33:42.380
to the weekend. You're like, oh, yeah, well, what will
850
00:33:42.420 --> 00:33:43.759
I be doing? Will I be watching TV? No, I
851
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:45.119
won't be watching a film. I'll just be trying to
852
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:47.880
stay awake. And then I'll be going out at one o'clock.
853
00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:49.569
But you do it. If you choose to live in
854
00:33:49.589 --> 00:33:52.170
the countryside, then you tend to, you kind of have
855
00:33:52.210 --> 00:33:52.710
to do that.
856
00:33:52.890 --> 00:33:54.289
I think I'll be fine with that, really, because I
857
00:33:54.329 --> 00:33:56.990
like a podcast. I like a drive at night. Boxing
858
00:33:57.029 --> 00:33:59.150
finishes at about 11. I'll jump in the car, go
859
00:33:59.170 --> 00:34:00.950
and pick them all up. I've got no, I'm quite
860
00:34:00.970 --> 00:34:01.930
looking forward to that, actually.
861
00:34:02.069 --> 00:34:02.849
How old are your kids?
862
00:34:03.450 --> 00:34:05.680
Well they're 10 and 8 in a couple.
863
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:07.440
Of weeks 10 and 8 okay but yeah there's.
864
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:09.340
A lot of ferrying going around have you like I
865
00:34:09.340 --> 00:34:10.880
said you know your podcast and you've been a bit
866
00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:13.219
more honest and stuff the kids complained about anything you
867
00:34:13.260 --> 00:34:15.880
spoke about and you've had to take out or have
868
00:34:15.900 --> 00:34:17.639
a longer chat with them about it because obviously you're
869
00:34:17.659 --> 00:34:18.639
talking about everything.
870
00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:20.199
Yeah no Jude complains that I don't talk about him
871
00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:25.969
enough because he he quite likes attention he's my writer
872
00:34:26.010 --> 00:34:27.929
he's the artistic creative one in the family so he's
873
00:34:27.949 --> 00:34:30.750
always like I think you've mentioned me yet. Coco is
874
00:34:30.909 --> 00:34:32.969
obviously quite a, you know, she's a 17 year old
875
00:34:32.989 --> 00:34:36.010
girl and she's around a lot. So I'm constantly talking
876
00:34:36.030 --> 00:34:37.650
about her. And the other day we had a party
877
00:34:38.130 --> 00:34:40.130
and the kids were just carrying on. It was half
878
00:34:40.170 --> 00:34:41.730
six in the morning. Did you see it?
879
00:34:42.030 --> 00:34:46.360
This sounded like, Jo, the drama you went through in
880
00:34:46.380 --> 00:34:49.260
your own head is exactly how I would have lived
881
00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:50.159
it as well. Yeah.
882
00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:51.760
What happened? I've not seen this.
883
00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:54.340
So where we live, we're in a barn conversion. We've
884
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:57.059
got a little shed, which we call the minuscule of sound.
885
00:34:57.099 --> 00:35:00.659
And that is where The kids take over and they DJ.
886
00:35:01.179 --> 00:35:03.429
There are lots of budding DJs in my family. So
887
00:35:03.449 --> 00:35:05.449
they'll DJ and it'll go on all night long. It'll
888
00:35:05.489 --> 00:35:07.730
finish at about seven o'clock in the morning. And when
889
00:35:07.769 --> 00:35:09.070
I get up in the morning, there are just bodies
890
00:35:09.130 --> 00:35:11.489
all over the place. And there's been general carnage. It's
891
00:35:11.510 --> 00:35:13.630
a bit like Glastonbury after Glastonbury has been packed away.
892
00:35:13.650 --> 00:35:17.670
It's everywhere. And it got to about six o'clock and
893
00:35:17.690 --> 00:35:20.500
I was like, be the cool mum, be the cool mum.
894
00:35:20.539 --> 00:35:21.360
Don't go downstairs.
895
00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:21.860
Don't shout.
896
00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:24.780
But there were a few voices that were just so loud.
897
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:25.699
And I kept thinking, oh my God.
898
00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:27.420
Had you slept at all by this point?
899
00:35:27.730 --> 00:35:29.070
I slept, yeah, I slept for a little bit, but
900
00:35:29.090 --> 00:35:30.610
then they just kept waking me up all night long.
901
00:35:30.650 --> 00:35:33.179
So then I had to go downstairs, put some clothes
902
00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:35.690
on for the sake of the kids. And I was
903
00:35:35.710 --> 00:35:37.389
trying to be so nice about it. And I was like,
904
00:35:37.469 --> 00:35:39.929
hey guys, could you just kind of calm it down
905
00:35:39.969 --> 00:35:42.550
a little bit? And then the next day Coco was like,
906
00:35:43.250 --> 00:35:45.449
my friends are terrified of you now. How could you
907
00:35:45.489 --> 00:35:46.849
have spoken to them like that? And I was like,
908
00:35:46.889 --> 00:35:48.369
oh my God, I could have spoken to them so
909
00:35:48.409 --> 00:35:48.989
much worse.
910
00:35:49.409 --> 00:35:52.219
I just wouldn't enjoy the feeling of having to go
911
00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:54.059
down and be the party pooper.
912
00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:56.340
Like I said about my neighbor, Roy, they live really
913
00:35:56.460 --> 00:35:58.860
close by and I was really worried. I'm always really worried.
914
00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:01.019
And I'm the only person who worries. Nobody else worries
915
00:36:01.059 --> 00:36:03.099
at all. Steve, my husband, is as deaf as it
916
00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:05.679
could possibly be. So he Once he's gone, he's gone.
917
00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:07.869
He doesn't hear anything. I'm the one with the conscience
918
00:36:07.889 --> 00:36:11.530
who's worried about the neighbors. So one time, the minuscule sound,
919
00:36:11.550 --> 00:36:13.190
it was really kicking off and you could just hear it.
920
00:36:13.190 --> 00:36:15.750
It was like a rave, like literally like a rave.
921
00:36:16.230 --> 00:36:17.989
And people from miles around were going, oh yeah, they're
922
00:36:18.010 --> 00:36:20.780
having another party. And it got to about five in
923
00:36:20.820 --> 00:36:22.719
the morning and I just went downstairs in my pants
924
00:36:22.780 --> 00:36:24.599
and I walked into the minuscule sound and I just
925
00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:28.480
screamed at everybody, can you just turn this music off?
926
00:36:29.030 --> 00:36:30.989
And all I could see was India's new boyfriend at
927
00:36:31.010 --> 00:36:33.070
the time just staring at me, looking like the most
928
00:36:33.090 --> 00:36:35.449
terrified person in the world. And he was like, yes,
929
00:36:35.469 --> 00:36:39.190
we'll turn it off, Miss Wiley. And that was probably
930
00:36:39.489 --> 00:36:42.969
my worst parenting moment, like absolutely losing it. Yeah, and
931
00:36:42.989 --> 00:36:44.789
I didn't want to be that person, but then I
932
00:36:44.829 --> 00:36:45.789
turned into that person.
933
00:36:46.050 --> 00:36:48.750
Yeah, I mean, 7am of the week in the shed
934
00:36:49.030 --> 00:36:51.880
with the music. Because the sound travels in the countryside.
935
00:36:52.179 --> 00:36:52.590
It does.
936
00:36:52.699 --> 00:36:54.019
No, it does. Just the bass.
937
00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:56.179
Does Roy say it's too loud? Has he ever complained?
938
00:36:56.500 --> 00:36:58.480
Thankfully, Roy is deaf and he said he just takes
939
00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:00.039
his hearing aids out, so it's OK now.
940
00:37:00.380 --> 00:37:03.690
Oh, so you're making the disabled person adjust, are you?
941
00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:04.219
Yes.
942
00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:11.289
LAUGHTER Roy seems like he's pretty chilled.
943
00:37:11.429 --> 00:37:13.530
Oh, he's great. No, I love Roy. He's really good.
944
00:37:13.690 --> 00:37:14.170
He's very chilled.
945
00:37:14.210 --> 00:37:15.849
I never really bothered with neighbours when I lived in
946
00:37:15.889 --> 00:37:17.570
the city because if I moved too much, there was
947
00:37:17.610 --> 00:37:19.860
too many of them. But actually, in the countryside, it's
948
00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:21.579
quite nice chatting to the people that live nearby.
949
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:23.719
You see, I always worry. I don't want to be
950
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:26.079
that person who the taxi driver is going, I had
951
00:37:26.119 --> 00:37:27.619
that Joe Wiley in the back of my cab the
952
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:29.199
other day. Bitch. I don't want that.
953
00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:32.019
I'm tormented by that as well, Joe. Because what I'll
954
00:37:32.059 --> 00:37:36.309
do in cabs, I know this is like awful celeb chat,
955
00:37:36.510 --> 00:37:40.159
but Because I don't want to be asked about what
956
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:42.639
Jimmy Carr is like or why I got into comedy
957
00:37:42.659 --> 00:37:45.130
or all the usual questions that you get asked. I
958
00:37:45.150 --> 00:37:47.130
go front foot if I think they're going to talk
959
00:37:47.170 --> 00:37:49.929
to me and just start asking them lots of questions.
960
00:37:50.369 --> 00:37:51.070
That's a good technique.
961
00:37:51.449 --> 00:37:51.630
Yeah.
962
00:37:52.130 --> 00:37:53.389
Musical taste. I always do that.
963
00:37:53.409 --> 00:37:54.449
Do you? Yeah.
964
00:37:54.469 --> 00:37:56.650
Which bands do you like? And then you don't really
965
00:37:56.670 --> 00:37:58.190
have to speak then because they just talk for the
966
00:37:58.210 --> 00:37:59.650
whole of the journey. So that's quite useful.
967
00:38:00.369 --> 00:38:01.309
Oh, yes. That's good.
968
00:38:01.329 --> 00:38:04.210
Get something they're passionate about. If they've got a football
969
00:38:04.250 --> 00:38:06.510
team air freshener, I'm away. Yeah.
970
00:38:07.309 --> 00:38:10.010
Yeah, exactly. Just ask what they think. That is really good.
971
00:38:10.150 --> 00:38:12.409
Oh, West Ham aren't doing very well, are they? And
972
00:38:12.449 --> 00:38:15.030
then I can just look at my phone. Absolutely weird.
973
00:38:15.409 --> 00:38:16.840
I don't know if I've told this before, Josh. I
974
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:18.619
was in a car once and, you know, if you
975
00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:20.599
do lots of TV shows, they normally use one or
976
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:24.179
two of the same companies. So you get reoccurring drivers
977
00:38:24.219 --> 00:38:26.219
or different companies. I was in a car with a
978
00:38:26.219 --> 00:38:27.679
bloke once and I was chatting to him. He went,
979
00:38:27.699 --> 00:38:28.699
you're actually all right, you are.
980
00:38:29.110 --> 00:38:29.780
I went, oh, thanks.
981
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:31.389
I went, why did you say that? He went, well,
982
00:38:31.409 --> 00:38:32.949
a couple of the drivers think you're a prick.
983
00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:43.340
Jo, I feel you're on my side of the people
984
00:38:43.380 --> 00:38:44.679
pleasing starter.
985
00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:47.710
I am until someone makes my tea wrong. And then
986
00:38:48.349 --> 00:38:50.610
something happens inside me and I'm like the Incredible Hulk.
987
00:38:51.030 --> 00:38:52.889
And I hate it about myself. And this is one
988
00:38:52.909 --> 00:38:54.530
of the things that the kids take Mickey out of
989
00:38:54.570 --> 00:38:57.889
me for all the time. But yeah, if someone makes
990
00:38:58.190 --> 00:39:00.079
me a milky tea, I'm just like, okay, don't say anything.
991
00:39:00.099 --> 00:39:00.659
Don't say anything about it.
992
00:39:00.659 --> 00:39:01.960
Talk to me about your tea then, Jo.
993
00:39:01.980 --> 00:39:04.820
It's basically hot water. You get the tea bag, you
994
00:39:04.860 --> 00:39:07.000
dip it in. You take it out pretty quickly after
995
00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:07.699
about three seconds.
996
00:39:07.739 --> 00:39:07.900
Really?
997
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:09.929
And you just put a tiny dash of milk. Dash tea,
998
00:39:09.969 --> 00:39:11.820
I think they call it. Like a grey tea.
999
00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:12.860
A strong tea.
1000
00:39:13.219 --> 00:39:14.559
No, no, it's not strong tea.
1001
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:16.780
Jo, how would you feel if someone removed the tea
1002
00:39:16.820 --> 00:39:18.019
bag with their fingers?
1003
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:20.659
Oh, I wouldn't mind that as long as it was
1004
00:39:20.739 --> 00:39:22.320
only in there for a certain.
1005
00:39:22.099 --> 00:39:25.889
Amount of time. You grubby music lot. You're all in
1006
00:39:25.949 --> 00:39:31.360
caravans backstage dipping your fingers in everyone's PG tea. You
1007
00:39:31.380 --> 00:39:33.760
got a fist in your fucking twinings.
1008
00:39:33.780 --> 00:39:36.000
I don't care.
1009
00:39:36.539 --> 00:39:39.019
Joe Wiley's real Rob. She lives in the country.
1010
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:43.400
She's birthed a cow probably. No, I was going to
1011
00:39:43.420 --> 00:39:45.019
say when, when people do talk to you, when they
1012
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:46.440
do recognize you, cause I do quite a lot of
1013
00:39:46.500 --> 00:39:49.780
swimming and open water swimming sometimes. And, And I really
1014
00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:52.440
like the fact that nobody cares whether anyone is naked
1015
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:54.559
or not when you're getting changed. You know, if you
1016
00:39:54.579 --> 00:39:56.179
go in a lake or a river or something like
1017
00:39:56.219 --> 00:39:58.889
that or a Lido and then everyone goes into changing rooms.
1018
00:39:58.909 --> 00:40:00.570
I was in Brighton at the weekend. We went to
1019
00:40:00.610 --> 00:40:03.010
the Lido there. And it's like men and women and
1020
00:40:03.030 --> 00:40:05.739
they're all getting changed at the same time. And there's this. Like,
1021
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:08.909
nobody particularly cares if you're trying to put your pants on.
1022
00:40:08.949 --> 00:40:12.389
Is this the sex place you're at? Men and women
1023
00:40:12.449 --> 00:40:13.769
are just getting naked together.
1024
00:40:14.550 --> 00:40:16.639
If people are swimmers, they just don't care.
1025
00:40:16.659 --> 00:40:18.079
Rob would like the exact part. Have you got the
1026
00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:19.019
what three words?
1027
00:40:21.179 --> 00:40:23.019
Certainly, sir. Coming to get changed. I want everyone to
1028
00:40:23.059 --> 00:40:25.659
like me. That's absolutely fine. Not a crossword. So is
1029
00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:29.389
it all the open water swimmer crew get naked, just
1030
00:40:29.650 --> 00:40:30.170
all genders?
1031
00:40:30.469 --> 00:40:33.210
Yeah, they just kind of get changed in little tents
1032
00:40:33.250 --> 00:40:35.929
and you carry on talking. You're like, oh, you're crossing
1033
00:40:35.949 --> 00:40:38.199
the channel and you're doing this. And everyone's just showing
1034
00:40:38.219 --> 00:40:40.579
all their bits. And sometimes people do recognize you. And
1035
00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:43.320
sometimes I'm thinking, I probably shouldn't be in this kind
1036
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:46.340
of state really talking to people, but it's fine. Nobody
1037
00:40:46.380 --> 00:40:47.239
particularly cares.
1038
00:40:47.260 --> 00:40:49.769
I can't believe I found another reason not to do
1039
00:40:49.849 --> 00:40:54.840
open water swimming. So you're in this impromptu tent to
1040
00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:57.519
go in the lake or wherever, yeah? You're getting changed
1041
00:40:57.559 --> 00:40:59.719
and the man's getting changed. Now, will the man turn
1042
00:40:59.980 --> 00:41:01.400
to put his trunks on so you just see his
1043
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:02.980
bum or is he just full bush?
1044
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:05.820
Yeah. No, it's not full frontal. It's normally bums that
1045
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:06.599
you see. Bums.
1046
00:41:06.739 --> 00:41:10.730
I think face on bums is... But face on is
1047
00:41:10.769 --> 00:41:13.570
just too relaxed. That's too European for me.
1048
00:41:14.349 --> 00:41:17.469
What's your attitude in a gym changing room, Rob, in
1049
00:41:17.550 --> 00:41:20.369
terms of... Does this make me a prude, but I
1050
00:41:20.409 --> 00:41:23.500
will almost... Put the shorts, say I've got a towel on.
1051
00:41:23.900 --> 00:41:24.079
Yeah.
1052
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:27.550
I'm almost putting the shorts over the towel and then
1053
00:41:27.570 --> 00:41:30.269
having to pull the towel out of the shorts.
1054
00:41:30.409 --> 00:41:31.349
No, that's too much.
1055
00:41:31.369 --> 00:41:32.909
No, you're just drawing attention to yourself.
1056
00:41:32.929 --> 00:41:33.949
Yeah, that's mental.
1057
00:41:33.969 --> 00:41:36.369
The message you're putting out is like, look at me,
1058
00:41:36.389 --> 00:41:38.730
I'm too awkward and I'm too embarrassed and I've got
1059
00:41:38.769 --> 00:41:40.070
something of a complex about my body.
1060
00:41:40.150 --> 00:41:43.429
I've been putting that message out for 18 years professionally, Joe. Yeah.
1061
00:41:44.929 --> 00:41:47.519
Look, I don't wander around naked, but I'll stand in
1062
00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:50.260
front of the locker, facing the locker, stripped down with
1063
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:52.920
my bum facing the room. Yeah. So people see my
1064
00:41:52.940 --> 00:41:55.250
bare bum. You could potentially get a profile shot of
1065
00:41:55.269 --> 00:41:56.809
my dick if they crane their neck.
1066
00:41:58.210 --> 00:42:00.489
Which I'd say is the worst angle.
1067
00:42:00.510 --> 00:42:02.360
A terrible angle. The side on.
1068
00:42:02.500 --> 00:42:03.559
And obviously it's been cold.
1069
00:42:04.099 --> 00:42:07.969
Yeah. In Japan, they're all naked in the toilet. We
1070
00:42:07.989 --> 00:42:09.630
went swimming. My kids had to go in a separate
1071
00:42:09.750 --> 00:42:14.550
one because they're girls. And if you're over six, you
1072
00:42:14.570 --> 00:42:16.769
can't go in with your parent. But all the men
1073
00:42:16.949 --> 00:42:20.130
were just walking around completely naked and going in this
1074
00:42:20.389 --> 00:42:22.750
onsen thing, like there's a jacuzzi thing and like a
1075
00:42:22.750 --> 00:42:27.690
steam room. But like, I couldn't believe how bald all
1076
00:42:27.710 --> 00:42:30.630
of the men's bodies were, apart from some of the
1077
00:42:30.670 --> 00:42:34.630
biggest badger bushes I've ever seen. And I've been around
1078
00:42:34.650 --> 00:42:38.789
the world. I couldn't believe how thick and dense the
1079
00:42:38.829 --> 00:42:42.400
pubic region was compared to no hairy chests, no hairy backs.
1080
00:42:42.780 --> 00:42:43.739
But then massive bush.
1081
00:42:44.059 --> 00:42:46.619
Massive. Yeah, I was expecting sort of fairly low key
1082
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:47.360
pubic area.
1083
00:42:47.460 --> 00:42:49.019
Is that genetic or is that?
1084
00:42:49.300 --> 00:42:51.559
I didn't ask. You know, there's a language barrier. We're
1085
00:42:51.579 --> 00:42:53.159
both naked.
1086
00:42:53.889 --> 00:42:54.849
You're trying not to look.
1087
00:42:54.869 --> 00:42:57.409
I can point at the bush and go, how? Why?
1088
00:42:58.550 --> 00:42:59.250
But yeah, it was mad.
1089
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:02.219
Joe, would you ever, this is a question.
1090
00:43:02.300 --> 00:43:03.579
So your kids are at uni or got jobs?
1091
00:43:03.940 --> 00:43:07.019
We're going to ask you a question that's related to this.
1092
00:43:07.099 --> 00:43:08.860
I'm not going to, you know, I'm not going to
1093
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:11.320
throw anyone under the bus and say that some people
1094
00:43:11.380 --> 00:43:14.980
do do this. Would you, what was your husband's name again? Mark,
1095
00:43:15.019 --> 00:43:16.179
was it? Steve.
1096
00:43:16.219 --> 00:43:17.090
Steve Morton, come on.
1097
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:18.079
WM.
1098
00:43:18.139 --> 00:43:19.119
Steve Morton.
1099
00:43:19.659 --> 00:43:23.559
Would you ever, if he asked, shave his back in
1100
00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:24.139
the garden?
1101
00:43:25.139 --> 00:43:28.019
No, I don't touch his bobby hair at all. Who
1102
00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:28.559
did that?
1103
00:43:28.989 --> 00:43:31.070
Oh, okay. Tell me the story.
1104
00:43:31.489 --> 00:43:32.289
It's not a one-off.
1105
00:43:32.610 --> 00:43:36.079
Oh, I see. So Lou regularly does this for Rob.
1106
00:43:36.219 --> 00:43:38.000
Shears him like a sheep in the garden.
1107
00:43:38.019 --> 00:43:40.199
I've got a really hairy chest and a hairy back.
1108
00:43:40.659 --> 00:43:44.920
Quite minimal pubes. The complete opposite of the Japanese. So, no,
1109
00:43:44.940 --> 00:43:46.900
I get hairy back. I shave my own chest because
1110
00:43:46.940 --> 00:43:49.320
it gets so thick that the T-shirts get a bit bouncy.
1111
00:43:49.340 --> 00:43:51.320
It looks like a sort of, you know, like that
1112
00:43:51.420 --> 00:43:53.239
extra level of padding on a mattress, you know, the
1113
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:55.860
little mattress topper. So I shave my front and then
1114
00:43:55.880 --> 00:43:57.659
I can't get to my back. Lou does my back.
1115
00:43:57.960 --> 00:43:59.679
And we normally do it in the garden and the
1116
00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:01.050
wind just take the hair.
1117
00:44:02.429 --> 00:44:03.650
Like a sheep being sheared, yeah.
1118
00:44:03.769 --> 00:44:09.329
You've got a hairy back. Me? No, Steve. You can
1119
00:44:09.369 --> 00:44:11.639
answer as well, do you? Is that why you're going
1120
00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:13.980
full front at the open switch Lido changing?
1121
00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:17.820
We're looking for exclusives to clip up for Instagram.
1122
00:44:17.969 --> 00:44:19.889
As far as I know, I do not have a
1123
00:44:19.909 --> 00:44:23.230
hairy back. Hairy toes, but not a hairy back.
1124
00:44:23.269 --> 00:44:25.869
Is that because it's been shaved or you've never had one?
1125
00:44:26.230 --> 00:44:26.710
Waxed.
1126
00:44:27.889 --> 00:44:29.949
Me and Rob have heard a rumour around radio too
1127
00:44:29.989 --> 00:44:33.219
about your hairy back. We thought we'd just bring it
1128
00:44:33.260 --> 00:44:36.139
in subtly into the conversation.
1129
00:44:36.619 --> 00:44:41.440
I really, really hate, in India we'll always Veet, Steve's back.
1130
00:44:41.500 --> 00:44:42.780
Like if we're having a party or if we're going
1131
00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:44.920
on holiday, he's always like, Indy, can you do this?
1132
00:44:45.219 --> 00:44:45.980
And she wasn't there.
1133
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:48.199
So you are farming that out to the poor girl
1134
00:44:48.219 --> 00:44:49.440
that you're charging rent for.
1135
00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:50.659
Yes.
1136
00:44:50.940 --> 00:44:52.380
So which one's Veet? Is that?
1137
00:44:52.579 --> 00:44:55.639
It's a cream. I've done it before, but it stinks.
1138
00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:57.449
And then you basically put the cream on the back.
1139
00:44:57.699 --> 00:44:58.650
Then you use a bit of plastic.
1140
00:44:58.690 --> 00:45:00.269
So it's like a waxing. No.
1141
00:45:00.289 --> 00:45:02.809
There's a chemical in it that the hairs fall out. Oh.
1142
00:45:02.809 --> 00:45:04.110
And then you scrape it.
1143
00:45:04.530 --> 00:45:06.829
It's like a foamy chemical that just burns the hair
1144
00:45:06.889 --> 00:45:08.610
off and then you just scrape it off. But you
1145
00:45:08.650 --> 00:45:10.769
can't ever get rid of the foam. It stinks. It
1146
00:45:10.809 --> 00:45:12.530
stinks so badly, no matter how much they.
1147
00:45:12.429 --> 00:45:14.769
Say it's fragrance. And has he got patches or is
1148
00:45:14.789 --> 00:45:17.170
it a full sort of... Sorry, I don't feel like
1149
00:45:17.329 --> 00:45:19.710
we're giving a lot of Steve out there. In patches,
1150
00:45:19.750 --> 00:45:21.150
I think Veet's quite good. But if you're doing a
1151
00:45:21.190 --> 00:45:22.650
whole bag... I fear Rob's.
1152
00:45:22.429 --> 00:45:25.389
Back is such a problem that it would overpower the Veet.
1153
00:45:25.769 --> 00:45:28.010
It's not a problem. Lou did it before I went away,
1154
00:45:28.090 --> 00:45:31.000
six weeks. So it's once every six weeks. Lou needs
1155
00:45:31.019 --> 00:45:33.360
to shave my back. But in winter, sometimes we stretch
1156
00:45:33.380 --> 00:45:34.840
that out a bit because it's too cold to go
1157
00:45:34.860 --> 00:45:35.420
in the garden.
1158
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:37.820
Could I just say the way you phrased that, once
1159
00:45:37.889 --> 00:45:40.750
every six weeks, Lou needs to shave my back, puts
1160
00:45:40.789 --> 00:45:43.389
it on Lou. It should be once every six weeks,
1161
00:45:43.789 --> 00:45:46.289
I need my back shaved and Lou does it for me.
1162
00:45:46.769 --> 00:45:47.760
Yes.
1163
00:45:48.400 --> 00:45:49.659
Desperate to shave my back.
1164
00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:51.030
She needs it.
1165
00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:52.039
She needs it.
1166
00:45:52.389 --> 00:45:54.550
How far down your arms? Because this is what I'm
1167
00:45:54.590 --> 00:45:57.699
always intrigued by. I sometimes watch from a distance. But
1168
00:45:57.739 --> 00:45:59.360
how far down your arms do you go? Because that's
1169
00:45:59.699 --> 00:46:01.900
always the point that Steve's like, should I go any further?
1170
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:02.500
What should I do?
1171
00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:06.159
So you've got a weird non-hair T-shirt situation.
1172
00:46:06.300 --> 00:46:08.519
So I've got a little bit there, but that is
1173
00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:11.030
quite minimal. So it's just a quick little trim up.
1174
00:46:11.030 --> 00:46:11.769
Oh, there's the kitten.
1175
00:46:12.170 --> 00:46:12.789
There's the kitten.
1176
00:46:13.050 --> 00:46:14.590
So I haven't got really hairy arms. It's a little
1177
00:46:14.610 --> 00:46:16.849
bit there. But the back, again, if I don't shave it,
1178
00:46:16.849 --> 00:46:18.650
the back gets bouncy on the T-shirt.
1179
00:46:18.690 --> 00:46:21.380
Yeah. Your kids must have so much fun.
1180
00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:23.920
I like bouncing castle on my back.
1181
00:46:23.940 --> 00:46:25.199
Let's go and bounce on daddy's back.
1182
00:46:25.219 --> 00:46:27.260
So India does it for, have you never done it
1183
00:46:27.300 --> 00:46:27.900
for Steve then?
1184
00:46:28.219 --> 00:46:29.619
No, no, I wouldn't.
1185
00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:30.360
You're just not into that.
1186
00:46:30.380 --> 00:46:31.099
It's disgusting.
1187
00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:32.320
No, it's disgusting.
1188
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:32.739
Yes.
1189
00:46:32.820 --> 00:46:34.429
And Lou doesn't want to do it for Rob.
1190
00:46:34.590 --> 00:46:36.969
I always say, look, I'm happy to return the favor, Lou.
1191
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:40.070
If you need anything trimming, I'll go down there and
1192
00:46:40.090 --> 00:46:40.449
get it done.
1193
00:46:40.489 --> 00:46:41.530
She never takes you up on it.
1194
00:46:41.670 --> 00:46:42.880
She never takes you up on it.
1195
00:46:43.929 --> 00:46:45.869
I can trim, I can wax, I can vee, whatever
1196
00:46:45.889 --> 00:46:47.110
you need, babe. Whatever you need.
1197
00:46:47.590 --> 00:46:50.320
Jo, have you enjoyed joining the world of podcasting?
1198
00:46:50.539 --> 00:46:52.460
Yeah, I have, yeah. Yeah, because you meet a whole,
1199
00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:55.320
a much wider amount of people. For some reason, everyone
1200
00:46:55.360 --> 00:46:56.659
wants to talk to me now when I go out.
1201
00:46:57.579 --> 00:46:59.480
Maybe because I'm giving so much more of myself in
1202
00:46:59.500 --> 00:46:59.980
the podcast.
1203
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:02.639
I think it feels like people know you far.
1204
00:47:02.699 --> 00:47:03.400
Not you, one.
1205
00:47:03.559 --> 00:47:07.070
One, yes. People know you so much more through the
1206
00:47:07.110 --> 00:47:10.590
podcast than they would if you're, you know, saying, here's
1207
00:47:10.610 --> 00:47:13.309
the new song from Fontaine's DC or whatever do you
1208
00:47:13.329 --> 00:47:15.269
know what I mean no absolutely I think I found
1209
00:47:15.309 --> 00:47:18.389
that definitely is that actually the more you give across
1210
00:47:18.409 --> 00:47:22.349
of yourself actually it's not exposing but actually it's quite
1211
00:47:22.570 --> 00:47:23.889
endearing maybe.
1212
00:47:23.750 --> 00:47:26.050
Well you're sharing experiences aren't you that we're all going
1213
00:47:26.070 --> 00:47:28.119
through so people love to just come and chat about
1214
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:31.219
um yeah whatever they're going through that you've you've talked
1215
00:47:31.260 --> 00:47:33.320
about on the podcast so it's been nice it's been
1216
00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:34.239
really it's good.
1217
00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:36.019
Apart from hairy back seems to be only me.
1218
00:47:36.420 --> 00:47:38.219
Can't wait for that conversation to come up when I'm
1219
00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:40.639
in the supermarket next time I think.
1220
00:47:40.059 --> 00:47:43.119
Steve will say to you Well, how comes Lou does
1221
00:47:43.179 --> 00:47:44.840
Rob's back, but you won't do my back?
1222
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:46.380
It'll be a firm fact no.
1223
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:47.239
Really?
1224
00:47:47.260 --> 00:47:48.579
It's never going to happen.
1225
00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:50.400
What about a little beard trim? It's a bit of fun.
1226
00:47:50.460 --> 00:47:53.550
It's quite mindfulness. It's like adult colour and in book.
1227
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:55.809
India likes doing it, so it works.
1228
00:47:55.989 --> 00:47:56.349
It works.
1229
00:47:56.510 --> 00:47:57.590
Okay, fair enough.
1230
00:47:57.610 --> 00:47:59.889
Rob, also, I've got a voice note from Lou, and
1231
00:47:59.969 --> 00:48:01.769
I'm going to say it. I'll save it for the
1232
00:48:01.829 --> 00:48:03.449
one where it's just us, but she doesn't like it
1233
00:48:03.469 --> 00:48:05.019
as much as you claim she likes it.
1234
00:48:05.030 --> 00:48:07.710
I don't claim she likes it. It's a necessary evil.
1235
00:48:08.739 --> 00:48:11.380
I don't like dragging three bins of cardboard out every
1236
00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:14.579
other week because she's been shopping again. But I love
1237
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:15.460
her and I do it.
1238
00:48:15.900 --> 00:48:16.940
Oh, hello, Victor Mildrew.
1239
00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:20.780
I don't love it, but I do it.
1240
00:48:23.389 --> 00:48:26.710
Joe, with your kids and music, because I think that's
1241
00:48:26.750 --> 00:48:28.550
a real, it's a thing you can share with your,
1242
00:48:28.769 --> 00:48:31.429
like even like we were listening to the new Taylor
1243
00:48:31.449 --> 00:48:33.789
Swift album when we were driving yesterday. And it's really
1244
00:48:33.869 --> 00:48:37.179
nice to share that with my daughter who's singing along.
1245
00:48:37.219 --> 00:48:39.849
And that's a real, Touch point. Do they have the
1246
00:48:39.889 --> 00:48:42.010
same taste in music as you or have they kicked
1247
00:48:42.070 --> 00:48:44.550
against you and your indie sensibilities?
1248
00:48:45.050 --> 00:48:47.130
No, no. Indie went through the Spice Girls when I
1249
00:48:47.150 --> 00:48:49.059
was obviously you can imagine I'm on the evening session
1250
00:48:49.219 --> 00:48:52.019
and India's obsessed with the Spice Girls. And that was
1251
00:48:52.059 --> 00:48:53.699
quite a difficult one. I had to go to some
1252
00:48:54.079 --> 00:48:55.619
an evening with the Spice Girls. I think we sat
1253
00:48:55.639 --> 00:48:57.639
next to Richard and Judy at the thing. And I
1254
00:48:57.659 --> 00:48:59.800
was obviously sitting there like hiding behind my fringe, hoping
1255
00:48:59.820 --> 00:49:01.969
that nobody would see me. So the Spice Girls was
1256
00:49:02.010 --> 00:49:03.570
a difficult thing, but I've come around to quite like
1257
00:49:03.590 --> 00:49:04.989
the Spice Girls now in hindsight.
1258
00:49:05.170 --> 00:49:07.050
Yeah, I think I like the Spice Girls.
1259
00:49:07.090 --> 00:49:07.409
Yeah.
1260
00:49:07.530 --> 00:49:07.849
I do.
1261
00:49:07.929 --> 00:49:09.690
But no, not really. No, we like the same kind
1262
00:49:09.710 --> 00:49:11.829
of music. We went to Taylor Swift.
1263
00:49:12.610 --> 00:49:14.030
Did you think it was a bit long?
1264
00:49:15.289 --> 00:49:19.210
There was one album that she did. Was it Folklore? No, Island.
1265
00:49:20.019 --> 00:49:21.820
Love that hour in the middle because you had an
1266
00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:24.650
opportunity you knew you weren't going to miss anything good
1267
00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:27.400
You could go to the merch for the kids, get
1268
00:49:27.420 --> 00:49:29.940
drinks for the kids, whatever it is. I had an
1269
00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:32.440
hour to myself. I am all for that hour in
1270
00:49:32.460 --> 00:49:34.440
the middle. That hour, it should go, look, if you're
1271
00:49:34.460 --> 00:49:37.150
here with someone and you're not into this, fuck off now.
1272
00:49:37.409 --> 00:49:39.429
You're not going to like it. You won't know any songs.
1273
00:49:39.710 --> 00:49:41.670
Do a bit of admin on your phone. I wish
1274
00:49:41.690 --> 00:49:43.489
you just said that. It went, look, basically, fuck off now.
1275
00:49:43.550 --> 00:49:45.010
Come back in an hour. I'll do all the ones
1276
00:49:45.050 --> 00:49:45.269
you know.
1277
00:49:45.730 --> 00:49:48.070
You probably saw Steve in the merch queue because he
1278
00:49:48.110 --> 00:49:49.610
disappeared for about an hour and came back with like
1279
00:49:49.800 --> 00:49:51.199
armfuls of T-shirts.
1280
00:49:51.219 --> 00:49:53.460
My thing about concert music is I just wish they
1281
00:49:53.480 --> 00:49:54.760
were all honest about what's happening.
1282
00:49:55.590 --> 00:49:56.030
You know what I mean?
1283
00:49:56.050 --> 00:49:58.199
Like with your fake encores are coming, you know, cause
1284
00:49:58.219 --> 00:49:59.599
you know, they're going to come back on again. Cause
1285
00:49:59.619 --> 00:50:02.679
I've not done that song. They released the lineup. That's
1286
00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:03.909
a weird doorbell, isn't it?
1287
00:50:04.059 --> 00:50:06.260
Sorry. Sorry. I'm the only one in.
1288
00:50:06.300 --> 00:50:07.500
My fancy musical.
1289
00:50:08.579 --> 00:50:08.940
Oh, he's gone.
1290
00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:09.539
He's gone.
1291
00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:11.139
Yeah. Cause I think I love what Oasis did where
1292
00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:12.900
they said it started that. That's when cast are on.
1293
00:50:13.019 --> 00:50:15.400
That's when they're on. We're on here. This is the songs.
1294
00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:17.469
See you later. How much more fun is that? Because
1295
00:50:17.690 --> 00:50:19.010
then you can pick a song to go for a
1296
00:50:19.030 --> 00:50:20.429
piss in. I know.
1297
00:50:20.929 --> 00:50:23.090
Which one's... Okay, you went to Oasis.
1298
00:50:23.530 --> 00:50:23.780
Yes.
1299
00:50:23.889 --> 00:50:25.000
At what point did you go for a piss?
1300
00:50:25.420 --> 00:50:27.079
Well, no, I went for a piss in between the
1301
00:50:27.099 --> 00:50:28.579
interval because I knew there was that... You know, they
1302
00:50:28.619 --> 00:50:31.099
go off... Not the interval, the waiting for the encore bit.
1303
00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:32.989
I had a quick piss then. But there was a
1304
00:50:33.010 --> 00:50:36.150
song that I thought was... One of the Noel Gallagher
1305
00:50:36.230 --> 00:50:38.690
ones that I was like... Sorry, you didn't like it? No,
1306
00:50:38.730 --> 00:50:40.510
it was amazing live, but I was a bit like.
1307
00:50:40.789 --> 00:50:41.650
Half the world away?
1308
00:50:42.190 --> 00:50:44.769
Josh, what was Noel Gallagher's section of Oasis? There was
1309
00:50:44.789 --> 00:50:47.619
a song that I thought was going to be shit live,
1310
00:50:47.739 --> 00:50:48.119
but was.
1311
00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:48.900
Little by Little.
1312
00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:51.869
Yes, Little by Little live was amazing. I was like, oh,
1313
00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:54.219
that's a bit nothing-y, that song. But that was one
1314
00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:55.900
of the biggest songs when we were there.
1315
00:50:55.940 --> 00:50:58.929
Yeah, that caught me by surprise. I've never really liked that,
1316
00:50:58.969 --> 00:50:59.800
but it was a real moment.
1317
00:50:59.889 --> 00:51:02.309
It was the only one they did that was post...
1318
00:51:02.429 --> 00:51:04.269
be here now as well it's like he's gone that's
1319
00:51:04.289 --> 00:51:07.429
the only song since 1997 that I'm proud of.
1320
00:51:07.590 --> 00:51:09.050
No but I think he knows it works with a
1321
00:51:09.050 --> 00:51:10.610
big crowd yeah it does it's one of them ones
1322
00:51:10.750 --> 00:51:13.329
through experience he's gone that always smacks even though it's
1323
00:51:13.389 --> 00:51:14.730
not one of the most famous ones.
1324
00:51:14.730 --> 00:51:17.010
Do you talk to musicians about parenting like would you
1325
00:51:17.090 --> 00:51:19.860
like if you were like you've got I don't know,
1326
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:22.639
Richard Ashcroft in or whatever, would you be like, how's
1327
00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:25.550
the family? Is it, or is everyone too cool for that?
1328
00:51:25.769 --> 00:51:27.530
No, no, no. In fact, I did that exact thing
1329
00:51:27.550 --> 00:51:28.949
a couple of weeks ago when he was in session.
1330
00:51:29.369 --> 00:51:29.530
Yeah.
1331
00:51:29.570 --> 00:51:31.570
Because our kids have grown up. It's really quite sweet
1332
00:51:31.590 --> 00:51:33.630
now because the kids are kind of similar ages and
1333
00:51:33.650 --> 00:51:36.699
some of them have met at various festivals and things.
1334
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:38.920
So yeah. And it's always interesting to talk to them
1335
00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:41.059
about how they are because you get, this is why
1336
00:51:41.079 --> 00:51:42.880
you do this podcast. You get a different side of people,
1337
00:51:42.900 --> 00:51:43.340
don't you?
1338
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:43.940
Yeah, totally.
1339
00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:46.199
I remember interviewing Noel and him talking with so much
1340
00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:50.289
pride about Anais and her being a photographer at the time. And,
1341
00:51:50.869 --> 00:51:53.039
and it was just really lovely just to see a
1342
00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:55.119
nice soft side of Noel. So yeah.
1343
00:51:55.340 --> 00:51:58.000
Cause you can't, he can't keep up that act. of
1344
00:51:58.059 --> 00:52:02.079
that nonchalant megastar music genius where it's like, well, that
1345
00:52:02.139 --> 00:52:04.760
is the real thing that brings everyone back down to earth,
1346
00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:05.360
whoever you are.
1347
00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:07.619
He can't go, she's not as good as me, which
1348
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:09.929
is his stock response to everything else.
1349
00:52:10.789 --> 00:52:15.329
I imagine Noel Gallagher's shit at photography. His massive boomer
1350
00:52:15.369 --> 00:52:18.389
leather case on his phone. He's getting lots out of it.
1351
00:52:18.710 --> 00:52:21.429
He took 30 incredible photos in the 90s, and ever
1352
00:52:21.469 --> 00:52:23.360
since then, he's been struggling to match it.
1353
00:52:23.420 --> 00:52:27.559
LAUGHTER It's more difficult now because the people that I'm
1354
00:52:27.579 --> 00:52:29.760
interviewing invariably are the same age as my children. So
1355
00:52:29.780 --> 00:52:31.360
now I just, I'm the typical two of them. I
1356
00:52:31.380 --> 00:52:32.900
can't kind of go, well, how's your child?
1357
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:34.039
Are you getting enough sleep?
1358
00:52:34.340 --> 00:52:35.139
Yes, exactly.
1359
00:52:35.469 --> 00:52:37.250
Don't let the pressure get to you. Is someone looking
1360
00:52:37.329 --> 00:52:38.949
after you? Who's looking after the numbers?
1361
00:52:38.969 --> 00:52:40.949
Yeah. Yes. That must be so hard because I think
1362
00:52:40.969 --> 00:52:43.030
in music, it's a much bigger thing. We're like these
1363
00:52:43.110 --> 00:52:46.079
megastars at 17, 18, earning all this money. And then
1364
00:52:46.099 --> 00:52:47.760
you see them walk into a room and you must
1365
00:52:47.820 --> 00:52:50.139
be able to judge now if they're being looked after
1366
00:52:50.179 --> 00:52:53.159
properly or there's those leeches from the music industry all
1367
00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:55.239
over them. And is it hard not to just go,
1368
00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:57.699
I don't think they've got your best. You need a breaker.
1369
00:52:57.719 --> 00:52:59.340
They're working you too hard or, you know.
1370
00:52:59.530 --> 00:53:02.750
Oh no, I definitely have those conversations. Just like, my
1371
00:53:02.789 --> 00:53:05.030
main one is normally, has Elton John phoned you yet?
1372
00:53:05.070 --> 00:53:06.849
Is Elton looking after you? Because he seems to be
1373
00:53:06.889 --> 00:53:09.230
this kind of, This godparent that's coming to so many
1374
00:53:09.250 --> 00:53:11.809
people's lives, just checking out that they're okay. Like Lola Young,
1375
00:53:11.849 --> 00:53:14.900
I was worried about her, but apparently she's living at
1376
00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:17.739
his house, so that's okay. With Sam Fender.
1377
00:53:17.780 --> 00:53:19.300
She fainted, didn't she, on stage?
1378
00:53:19.460 --> 00:53:20.159
Yeah, yeah.
1379
00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:22.900
And then Lewis Capaldi, obviously, he's famously, you know, had
1380
00:53:22.940 --> 00:53:24.980
troubles and stuff like that. It must be so difficult
1381
00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:26.199
to have that much attention.
1382
00:53:26.590 --> 00:53:29.409
Oh my God, nightmare. But people like Lily Allen and
1383
00:53:29.550 --> 00:53:31.269
Amy and Adele, when they were starting out, they had
1384
00:53:31.289 --> 00:53:33.710
the same thing. And no one really talked about it.
1385
00:53:33.730 --> 00:53:36.070
Like there wasn't that much care about people's mental health
1386
00:53:36.150 --> 00:53:37.949
or the pressures they were under. You just said the NME.
1387
00:53:38.570 --> 00:53:39.110
Can you imagine?
1388
00:53:41.199 --> 00:53:44.420
Did you, because I did a thing and there was
1389
00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:50.860
an actor and they had an entourage and I would
1390
00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:54.000
have turned up for this either on my own or
1391
00:53:54.079 --> 00:53:57.159
maybe with my PR who I'd have thought, why are
1392
00:53:57.179 --> 00:53:59.400
you here? And they had an entourage of 21 people.
1393
00:54:00.909 --> 00:54:03.380
And I wanted to say to them, you are paying
1394
00:54:03.480 --> 00:54:03.920
for this.
1395
00:54:04.219 --> 00:54:05.280
Yeah, I know, I know.
1396
00:54:05.300 --> 00:54:07.099
Please understand.
1397
00:54:07.500 --> 00:54:08.760
They're not here as mates.
1398
00:54:09.059 --> 00:54:13.199
You've got 21 people on your payroll for a promo interview.
1399
00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:15.070
At best, they're all on the train.
1400
00:54:15.449 --> 00:54:15.949
Yeah, yeah.
1401
00:54:16.309 --> 00:54:18.989
At worst, they've all got their own Mercedes driving them home.
1402
00:54:19.369 --> 00:54:20.389
Yeah, I know.
1403
00:54:20.869 --> 00:54:23.190
Joe, it's been a joy speaking to you. Your podcast,
1404
00:54:23.550 --> 00:54:26.829
do you know what? People think that there's like established,
1405
00:54:27.010 --> 00:54:30.340
there is established podcasts, but Once every kind of six months,
1406
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:32.820
one breaks through and becomes part of the kind of
1407
00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:37.199
main furniture podcast. Dig It has done that. I'm very
1408
00:54:37.260 --> 00:54:41.300
pleased because, you know, you and Zoe are very nice people.
1409
00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:45.210
And also, crucially, you know, it got us two free
1410
00:54:45.250 --> 00:54:48.550
guests to promote. And that is very difficult for us.
1411
00:54:48.900 --> 00:54:50.639
We always end on the same question. Rob, would you
1412
00:54:50.679 --> 00:54:52.210
like to do the final question? Yes.
1413
00:54:52.289 --> 00:54:54.309
Now, what is the one thing that Steve does as
1414
00:54:54.349 --> 00:54:56.769
a parent that you think, oh, my God, you're amazing, incredible,
1415
00:54:56.829 --> 00:54:59.030
so lucky to have you as my kid's dad? And
1416
00:54:59.050 --> 00:55:00.710
what's the one thing he does where you go, hmm,
1417
00:55:01.250 --> 00:55:03.489
don't really like that. That's annoying. And if you stop that,
1418
00:55:03.670 --> 00:55:05.329
I'd appreciate it. And if he was to listen, he
1419
00:55:05.369 --> 00:55:07.309
might also go, yeah, she's got a point there.
1420
00:55:08.570 --> 00:55:12.110
The thing I love about him is that he's massively exuberant.
1421
00:55:12.300 --> 00:55:14.260
And we call him Disco Steve because he brings the
1422
00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:17.530
party to everything. Every gathering, wherever we are, if we
1423
00:55:17.550 --> 00:55:19.840
go out for dinner, if we go any time anybody
1424
00:55:19.880 --> 00:55:22.219
comes around, he just has so much energy and so
1425
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:24.880
much charisma. And he's just like a big kid. And
1426
00:55:24.940 --> 00:55:27.199
I really love that because I quite like taking a
1427
00:55:27.219 --> 00:55:29.519
back seat and I'm happy for him to just shine
1428
00:55:29.559 --> 00:55:32.760
and entertain everybody. And that's why we work. But the
1429
00:55:32.780 --> 00:55:34.699
kids love him so much because he's so much fun.
1430
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:37.840
What do I not like about him?
1431
00:55:37.860 --> 00:55:39.690
It's the back, isn't it? It's the back.
1432
00:55:40.010 --> 00:55:42.389
It's the back. It's the heavy back. No, it's the
1433
00:55:42.409 --> 00:55:45.650
selective hearing. It's the, oh no, he can never find it. No,
1434
00:55:45.690 --> 00:55:48.929
now I've started a list. He can never find anything
1435
00:55:49.309 --> 00:55:50.329
ever anywhere.
1436
00:55:50.349 --> 00:55:51.269
Yeah, I'm like that.
1437
00:55:51.289 --> 00:55:53.880
Where are my pants? Where is my phone? Where is
1438
00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:58.000
my breakfast? Anything and everything. He cannot find it. And
1439
00:55:58.039 --> 00:55:59.460
I would just literally just pick it up and just go,
1440
00:55:59.829 --> 00:56:01.630
here it is, and just give it to him straight away.
1441
00:56:01.650 --> 00:56:03.269
And does he ask you for it as well? Does
1442
00:56:03.289 --> 00:56:04.170
he ask you where it is?
1443
00:56:04.210 --> 00:56:06.610
No, he's very, very loud. So he just, he doesn't ask.
1444
00:56:06.650 --> 00:56:08.789
He just stomps around the house in a very loud voice,
1445
00:56:08.829 --> 00:56:12.289
just going, where is my phone? And so I could
1446
00:56:12.340 --> 00:56:14.760
do without that in my life, but otherwise he's brilliant.
1447
00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:16.420
I tell you what he never loses, the life and
1448
00:56:16.460 --> 00:56:20.019
soul of the party. Disco Steve, our DJ until 7am,
1449
00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:23.280
popping around Roy's to take his hearing aids off. Take
1450
00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:23.780
these off, son.
1451
00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:27.039
You too, because your kids are younger. I'm almost envious
1452
00:56:27.059 --> 00:56:29.199
of you because You have so much ahead of you,
1453
00:56:29.300 --> 00:56:33.000
like them growing up. I love every different stage of
1454
00:56:33.079 --> 00:56:35.320
being a parent. It's just so much fun. And I'm
1455
00:56:35.340 --> 00:56:37.429
at the stage now, which I also, I really, really love,
1456
00:56:37.820 --> 00:56:40.710
but it's my kids and they've now got partners. So
1457
00:56:40.730 --> 00:56:43.090
they've become part of our extended family as well. So
1458
00:56:43.130 --> 00:56:45.449
it's like the family just, it grows and it grows.
1459
00:56:45.510 --> 00:56:46.409
Grandkids as well.
1460
00:56:46.869 --> 00:56:47.349
And yeah.
1461
00:56:47.670 --> 00:56:48.269
Not far off.
1462
00:56:48.590 --> 00:56:50.800
God, I can't wait. I really can't wait. But it's
1463
00:56:50.820 --> 00:56:52.699
just like this party that gets bigger and bigger and
1464
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:55.420
bigger with more different interesting characters coming in all the while.
1465
00:56:55.840 --> 00:56:57.880
It's just the best thing in the world.
1466
00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:00.550
You've got four kids. If you say all of them
1467
00:57:00.570 --> 00:57:03.510
have two each, it's a lot of fucking babysitting out there.
1468
00:57:03.969 --> 00:57:04.289
I know.
1469
00:57:04.309 --> 00:57:07.949
I can't wait. They'll be coming into Radio 2 with me.
1470
00:57:07.969 --> 00:57:11.969
In telly in the boat. No, this worked for me
1471
00:57:12.010 --> 00:57:13.829
when mine were young. I'm bringing the telly.
1472
00:57:14.230 --> 00:57:16.030
Uncle Dermot's going to do a dance for you.
1473
00:57:16.389 --> 00:57:20.130
Uncle Dermot's dancing. Is there anything else you want to
1474
00:57:20.150 --> 00:57:22.269
promote apart from the podcast? Is there anything else?
1475
00:57:22.329 --> 00:57:24.590
Oh, 90s anthems. You could mention that, the gigs that
1476
00:57:24.610 --> 00:57:24.730
I do.
1477
00:57:24.750 --> 00:57:26.849
This sounds like my scene. Talk to us quickly.
1478
00:57:26.869 --> 00:57:28.860
When I'm not doing my show on Monday, Thursday, then
1479
00:57:28.949 --> 00:57:31.099
invariably on a Friday night, I'll be somewhere in the
1480
00:57:31.119 --> 00:57:33.519
country doing the 90s anthems. And that's really taken off
1481
00:57:33.559 --> 00:57:36.000
as well. Like the podcast, it's just hit a nerve.
1482
00:57:36.019 --> 00:57:38.000
And there are so many people who grew up listening
1483
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:40.860
to pulp and james and oasis.
1484
00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:42.719
And oh my god inject it into my veins.
1485
00:57:42.519 --> 00:57:44.019
So how does it work talk me through is this
1486
00:57:44.059 --> 00:57:46.940
like a like a sort of a theater that we
1487
00:57:46.980 --> 00:57:48.500
would do that kind of gig.
1488
00:57:48.420 --> 00:57:51.659
Rob she's doing similar theaters so you're doing the g
1489
00:57:51.739 --> 00:57:57.349
live you're doing cambridge corn exchange york barbican cliffs pavilion
1490
00:57:57.389 --> 00:57:59.690
south end all the ones we know rob and.
1491
00:57:59.650 --> 00:58:02.869
They're seated are they seated downstairs and upstairs It varies.
1492
00:58:02.929 --> 00:58:05.269
It's better if they're not seated because everyone dances. They
1493
00:58:05.309 --> 00:58:06.840
take the seats out so everyone's dancing.
1494
00:58:07.179 --> 00:58:07.519
Brilliant.
1495
00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:10.619
It's quite a show. We've got massive screens and lots
1496
00:58:10.699 --> 00:58:14.030
of effects going on. It's really, really brilliant for nostalgia.
1497
00:58:14.949 --> 00:58:19.289
We show loads of old videos and TV stuff intercut
1498
00:58:19.309 --> 00:58:19.889
with the music.
1499
00:58:20.110 --> 00:58:21.989
Why did we waste time talking about your podcast to
1500
00:58:22.030 --> 00:58:24.369
your kids? I want it in 50 minutes of this chat.
1501
00:58:24.489 --> 00:58:26.769
Josh will be there at the AG Live. Excellent.
1502
00:58:26.789 --> 00:58:28.760
The cheese and grain in Frome.
1503
00:58:29.030 --> 00:58:31.159
I'm going to be there on Friday. They are rabid.
1504
00:58:31.219 --> 00:58:33.219
That's sold out, Joe. That's sold out.
1505
00:58:33.300 --> 00:58:33.699
I know.
1506
00:58:33.860 --> 00:58:35.559
But don't worry, you're coming back.
1507
00:58:35.820 --> 00:58:37.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been there like every year for
1508
00:58:37.820 --> 00:58:39.059
the past five, six years.
1509
00:58:39.369 --> 00:58:41.050
Actually, you're coming back the following October.
1510
00:58:41.090 --> 00:58:41.570
So it's difficult.
1511
00:58:41.650 --> 00:58:44.050
I won't book it in quite yet because it's difficult
1512
00:58:44.110 --> 00:58:46.539
to know what I'm up to on the 2nd of October, 2026,
1513
00:58:46.539 --> 00:58:47.039
but you know.
1514
00:58:47.219 --> 00:58:48.800
But I can put you on the guest list anytime.
1515
00:58:48.880 --> 00:58:50.460
It's fine. You don't have to get tickets.
1516
00:58:50.579 --> 00:58:52.760
Oh, thank you. Yeah. Do you ever do Exeter?
1517
00:58:53.199 --> 00:58:56.360
No, we haven't done South. Have I done Exeter? I'll
1518
00:58:56.380 --> 00:58:58.789
speak to my agent. I'll speak to the school Steve.
1519
00:58:58.809 --> 00:59:00.289
Do you ever do London?
1520
00:59:00.690 --> 00:59:02.349
We're trying to get a London date in. I'll see
1521
00:59:02.369 --> 00:59:03.730
if I can make that happen for you as well, Rob.
1522
00:59:03.750 --> 00:59:04.809
So it's nice and easy for you.
1523
00:59:05.230 --> 00:59:06.250
Or probably Churchill.
1524
00:59:06.710 --> 00:59:09.739
Never played there. Never been asked to. They're really, really
1525
00:59:09.780 --> 00:59:13.159
fun nights out. People just reliving their youth. That's what
1526
00:59:13.179 --> 00:59:14.239
it is. With the mates that they used to go
1527
00:59:14.260 --> 00:59:16.800
to uni with, they kind of get together, have massive reunions.
1528
00:59:17.139 --> 00:59:21.480
My bars apparently sell more than most people's.
1529
00:59:21.639 --> 00:59:21.960
Do they?
1530
00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:22.300
Yeah.
1531
00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:23.920
That's why I keep getting asked back.
1532
00:59:25.489 --> 00:59:26.110
Oh, my word.
1533
00:59:26.150 --> 00:59:27.769
They love a drink, those 90s kids.
1534
00:59:27.989 --> 00:59:28.510
Oh, my word.
1535
00:59:28.530 --> 00:59:31.449
There's a Spotify playlist on your website. I'm going to
1536
00:59:31.489 --> 00:59:33.130
listen to that while I work this afternoon.
1537
00:59:33.309 --> 00:59:34.090
Okay, enjoy it.
1538
00:59:34.409 --> 00:59:35.070
Cheers, Jo.
1539
00:59:35.090 --> 00:59:36.030
Take care, bye.
1540
00:59:38.690 --> 00:59:41.429
Jo Wiley. There we go. I love Jo Wiley. She's nice,
1541
00:59:41.469 --> 00:59:41.840
isn't she?
1542
00:59:42.219 --> 00:59:44.960
She looks and sounds exactly the same as when I
1543
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:47.099
was 10.
1544
00:59:49.230 --> 00:59:51.679
Not me when I was 10. No, no, you're different now.
1545
00:59:51.889 --> 00:59:52.110
Yeah.
1546
00:59:52.340 --> 00:59:54.139
You're a different beast. You're all man.
1547
00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:56.239
I didn't look like Joe Wiley when I was 10.
1548
00:59:56.239 --> 00:59:58.000
That would have been quite an odd start.
1549
00:59:58.019 --> 00:59:59.400
Same colour hair. You was very blonde.
1550
00:59:59.619 --> 01:00:01.440
I was very blonde. She's kept her blonde.
1551
01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:04.019
Different voice, though. She's got, you know, the perfect voice
1552
01:00:04.039 --> 01:00:04.559
for radio.
1553
01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:05.820
Would you say she's husky?
1554
01:00:05.860 --> 01:00:08.159
And you've got the perfect voice for a cartoon character.
1555
01:00:10.039 --> 01:00:11.400
Tell that to my fucking agent.
1556
01:00:11.969 --> 01:00:13.340
Well, you do old Big Lizard, didn't you?
1557
01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:14.500
I do old Big Lizard, yeah.
1558
01:00:14.699 --> 01:00:15.519
Is it called Big Lizard?
1559
01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:16.400
It is called Big Lizard.
1560
01:00:16.420 --> 01:00:18.679
Yeah, Big Lizard, yeah. It feels like Big Lizard is
1561
01:00:18.739 --> 01:00:21.579
me getting something wrong, like... Yeah, yeah. It's Godzilla, Rob.
1562
01:00:21.980 --> 01:00:24.960
Yeah, yeah. I was in Godzilla, yeah. Jurassic Park 3.
1563
01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:27.280
Josh Widdicombe does the voice of Godzilla in Godzilla.
1564
01:00:27.699 --> 01:00:28.219
Spread it around.
1565
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:30.139
Josh, you're going to be all over that 90s show,
1566
01:00:30.159 --> 01:00:30.389
aren't you?
1567
01:00:30.900 --> 01:00:33.090
Oh, God. If only she was coming to Exeter. Now,
1568
01:00:33.199 --> 01:00:37.809
the London-centric media, Rob, don't get me started on the London-centric.
1569
01:00:37.829 --> 01:00:39.000
The throne's near you, isn't it?
1570
01:00:39.230 --> 01:00:42.099
Yeah, it is. Go there. Yeah, I will. When in Frome,
1571
01:00:42.119 --> 01:00:44.179
that's what I'll say.
1572
01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:46.670
Oh, that's good. I can't believe I've never done that
1573
01:00:46.710 --> 01:00:48.030
as an opening joke in Frome.
1574
01:00:48.409 --> 01:00:50.789
When in Frome.
1575
01:00:50.829 --> 01:00:51.929
See you next week, Josh.
1576
01:00:52.110 --> 01:00:52.449
Bye.