S02 EP11: Sean Lock

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Hello, I'm Josh Whitacombe.
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And I'm Rob Beckett.
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Welcome to Lockdown Parenting Hell. The show in which Rob
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and I discuss what it's like to be a parent
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during lockdown, which I would say can be a little tricky.
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Yeah! Yeah!
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So, in an effort to make some kind of sense
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of the current situation.
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And to make me feel better about my increasingly terrible
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parenting skills.
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Each episode we'll be chatting to a famous parent about
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how well they're coping.
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Or hopefully not.
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And we will be hearing from you, the listener, with
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your tales of lockdown parenting woe.
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Because let's be honest, none of us know what we're doing.
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Hello and welcome to Lockdown Parenting Hell with... Isabel, can
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you say Josh Widdicombe? Josh Widdicombe.
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Can you say Rob Beckett?
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Rob Beckett.
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Very strong.
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Can I guess, is that Northumberland?
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That is.
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North East, North East is it?
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Well, do you know what? They live in Scotland. I
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don't think she's Scottish, is she? That is.
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Sound a bit Geordie.
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That is Isabel, who's two and four months, or as
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she calls herself, from Paw Patrol. We enjoy the podcast
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and fall asleep to it, but it doesn't mean it's
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a B-list podcast.
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Oh, I think it does. I'm sorry. I think we
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might have to take them off the podcast.
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We'll put the rest of it on another day if
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we've missed it.
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I think if you are definitely catching up again, it
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does slip into A-list.
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Yeah.
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But you've got to be catching up on the last
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10 minutes. Yeah. You can't just ride it off as
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I've done that. That stinks of B-list. doesn't it it
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reeks of b-list it.
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Does reek of b-list that is vicky and david uh
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pickering uh who live uh in moray moray uh between
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aberdeen and inverness whoa that is far up north.
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That is well north in it that is like any
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norther you get south.
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And then do you want to hear something david is
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from lewisham No way!
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Yeah, you go. I tell you what, what an advert
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for Lewisham. I'm going to get as far away as
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fucking possible. It's a lovely area, Moray, up there.
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Yeah.
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Windy, though.
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Fucking window.
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Yeah.
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Have you done Aberdeen, Rob?
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I have done Aberdeen and I've done Inverness as well.
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I think I've got it. I think I'm meant to
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be going to Inverness.
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Oh, it's great. In the summer, it's amazing. It's light
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till about midnight.
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Well, I look forward to it in 2022. How are you, Robert?
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Um good pretty good back uh back on the ranch
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and uh you know all that sleep i thought i'd
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caught up on has immediately vanished it's not how it.
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Works it's annoying you can't bank it no because when
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you're what happens is and you get like you know
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if you get tired if you miss another night's good
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night's sleep it slowly drains away at you yeah isn't
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it but if you had a really good night's sleep
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and then you have one bad night's sleep it's immediately
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back to like 10 percent yeah I don't know how.
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That works, but yeah.
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Completely.
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Yeah.
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And what I've realised is the reason why couples sort
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of clash is that the parents are never truly both
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happy at the same time. Because you do things where some,
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like for us, Lou sort of does the getting up
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during the week and I'll get up Saturdays and Sundays.
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So all that means is Lou's got the ump all
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week and then he's buzzing on a weekend. Then on
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the weekend, I feel awful. So it's just sort of,
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you just sort of take turns in feeling awful. And
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is that what life is?
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Well, yes.
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It is.
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I think it is until they're about seven.
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Yeah, maybe that's it. It's just a short period of time.
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It's just a decade of your life, Rob. Lost, never
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to be got back. I had a tough one, tiredness-wise,
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on Saturday, Rob.
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Go on.
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Last leg, got back at 1.30.
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Oh, did you have a few beers in a blur, Doc?
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No, I'd had a couple of beers until I reached
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our legally allotted time when we had to leave, which
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was very.
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I'm going to say it.
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Don't let the 3am girls hear this. They'll be all
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over you. Hot goss.
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Having a beer as you're tidying up your stuff to
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leave the last leg is almost too close to real
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life that it's actually too tempting. Do you know what
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I mean? I don't miss it as much when I'm
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just locked in my house. But that one Friday when
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I'm allowed out and I can sniff that I should
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be in the green room is actually worse.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, than if you didn't at all.
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Than if I didn't at all.
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You know it's close. When we did filming for Rob
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and Romesh, what you did, if you go and film
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on location, was filming at an athletic centre and they
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had a canteen, a cafe, a restauranty place that we
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dropped all our bags and we were waiting there to
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film socially distanced. And then we had a catering company
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that did us food for our filming day and they
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just gave it to us on plates in this canteen.
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I was like... I'm out of dinner. I feel like
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I'm out of dinner. So weird.
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Do you know what? This thing that I prefer not
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to be almost experiencing the joy.
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Life. Life.
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Yeah.
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Do you know what blows my mind? Maybe I'll change
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with age. But parents that take their children to Glastonbury,
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I'd rather just not go, Rob.
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Do you know what? It depends on the age, because
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I would take, like, mine this summer, and there'll be, like,
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five and a half and three and a half to, like, Latitude.
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Yeah.
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But I couldn't do Glastonbury. It's too big.
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Imagine knowing that you're in the greatest party in the
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world and you're making a fucking wind catcher with your
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child in a circus field.
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See, that's the thing with Latitude. You're not at the
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greatest party in the world. Exactly. That's what makes it easier.
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LAUGHTER It's just quite a nice festival for posh people. Yeah, exactly.
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Latitude's good, to be fair. I do like it.
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It's a bit cold. They'll still book you.
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Don't worry. You don't have to backtrack. I don't want
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to lose that Latitude coin. But Glastonbury is get on it,
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go mad kind of festival. Where Latitude is, no one
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ever really gets on it at Latitude, do they?
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So my friend, she listens to the podcast, actually. Her
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and her husband will take their children to Glastonbury. They're
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children about 9 and 11, 8 and 10. That kind
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of age. And they'll do one night each going out.
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Yeah, but the.
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Imagine, Rob.
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Imagine if your night going out was the first night.
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LAUGHTER And you've just got to look after kids for
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three days.
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Yeah.
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Oh, no. The best way to do it is, and
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I've got some friends that are older that do this,
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they're in their mid-40s, and their kids are teenagers, so
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they can literally be left. They're at uni or whatever,
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and they don't even have to worry about getting a
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babysitter or whatever. They just go to Ibiza for a
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week and just go insane.
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I mean.
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And then it's just like, that is a 15-year build-up
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of wanting a big night out. LAUGHTER Yeah, it's a
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15-year build-up. Because when you have comedy crowds, the hardest
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audience I find is normally a mum and her mates
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on a first night out after having a baby. Because
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they're very nervous about leaving the baby. They're lightweight because
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they've not drunk as much because sometimes they've been breastfeeding
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or whatever. They're really excited to see their friends, but
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they're a bit emotionally strained. A bit stressed because they've
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left their kid and they drink too much and just
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go fucking mental.
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Well, do you know the worry there, Rob?
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Yeah.
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We haven't gigged in a year since we started doing
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this podcast. Welcome to your new audience, mate.
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Oh, God.
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That's going to be your tour audience.
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Yeah, it'll all be like inflatable cups, sashes, dick straws.
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Hendo Central, mate.
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Classic, classic hen do. What's the most popular hen do?
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Stretch limo, Rob Beckett live, and then Flair's nightclub.
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I'm going to get Stacey Solomon to open. She'll do
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20 minutes on loose women and Joe Swash. Yeah, I
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think I can't take them to Glastonbury. That's too much,
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I don't think. Not for me. I'd rather just leave
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them on their nan and granddad or something.
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Yeah, exactly. So how are parenting things going?
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For me, I've got a few things I've got to
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go through here because I've not given you much because
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I was in the flat one night for a bit.
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Screen time, it's getting out of hand, to the point
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now where they can recognise the sounds of TikTok trends.
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What?
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So there's a TikTok, you're not on TikTok, are you?
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No.
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So there's this TikTok, I'll get the sound for you, right,
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called Oh No. Oh No. And it's like, oh, let
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me turn that down.
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And it's used. So, oh, no, it goes, oh, no.
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You're a nightclub, Rob.
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Oh, no.
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No, that was just the advert.
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Oh, okay. I was going to say, mate.
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Because of my habits online, I'll get adverts for, like,
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JD Sports or, like, a nightclub or something really, like, young.
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And then it's, like, debt management.
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You know, this sound, oh, no, right?
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This sound is used on clips of people doing something wrong.
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This.
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Do you know this?
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No. No.
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So this is played, so if someone's walking along like
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an icy river, and just before they fall in, it
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plays this. So it's like a sound that's used on TikTok,
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and then someone will come along, and then, oh, no, oh, no,
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like that. So if I'm listening to TikTok, the girls
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run in going, oh, no, oh, no, oh, no, show
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me the oh, no, show me the oh, because it's
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normally slapstick full. So they're aware of TikTok trends, which
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I don't know if I'm creating some sort of Bill Gates,
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Zuckerberg super brain, or they will just, you know, be on,
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you know, Britain's Got Talent gambling apps or whatever. LAUGHTER
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The good news is, though, they like The Simpsons.
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Oh, that is good.
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They're into The Simpsons, which I like. That's a good thing.
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That's good.
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Good.
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I imagine you're like this. You love music and you
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love Blur and stuff like that. I imagine you really...
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I don't like music as much as you like music,
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but I imagine... you really want your kids to be
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into cool music, that you can go to gigs with
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them when they're older. Well, the reality is that won't happen,
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but you sort of want that. But you don't want
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to push it, because the more you push it, it's
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less likely. But they've sort of organically got into The Simpsons,
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where it was just on one day.
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I would love my children to be into The Simpsons, Rob.
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Yeah, so I just sort of put The Simpsons... The Simpsons.
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And Bluey. Bluey's a good one, but it's not as
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good as The Simpsons. But yeah, they're into The Simpsons.
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So I'm really happy about that.
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How much do they get it? Does it make enough sense?
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Well, it's so funny, though. Constantly funny. Do you know
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why I think it works? It's because Simpsons, there's no
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real narrative in each Simpsons episode. Something happens and it
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goes on to something else.
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it jumps quite quickly doesn't it like oh we're doing
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a puzzle we've lost a piece oh look what i
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found i'm looking for the puzzle piece i found this
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outfit that i used to wear when i was 20
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homer would say and then it does flashbacks and stuff
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so i think they're quite like it's snappy but i
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think it's just homer being silly it's almost like it's
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almost like daddy pig.
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Isn't it it looks yeah yeah it is in many
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ways he's the 90s daddy pig isn't he homer he
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is yeah You must be pleased about that.
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I'm very pleased about that.
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What would you most like your children to be into, Rob?
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And if you answer, I just want them to be happy.
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I'm hanging up.
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I want them to.
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If you could choose, what hobby would you most like
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to share with them? Would you want them to be
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Arsenal fans? Would you want them to be boxing fans?
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No, do you know... Golf? I know it sounds bad.
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I know you want to bond with your kids, but
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I quite like having stuff that is just like what
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Do you know what I mean?
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Yeah. Well, I can't wait till they're like 14 and
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just want to go shopping with their mum and I
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just watch football all day. I know it sounds like
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some sort of dad from the 70s, but I know
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we have to be all woke and thingy, but that
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is just normally what happens, isn't it? The daughters go
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shopping with their mums and the dad sits on their
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own drinking. That's what I grew up with. Oh, mate, Rob,
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is that your dream? No, no, I'm joking. I would
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miss that. I'm only messing because once, if they were
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doing that every week. But the thing is, I would
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go shopping with the girls and I'd love to go,
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like if it was a traditional sort of girly going shopping,
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going to the spa, which is sort of stereotypical activities.
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I would happily go to a spa. I'd go and
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get a manicure and a pedicure. I'd love all that.
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So I would happily do that with Lou and the girls.
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But also they'll be able to catch up with you
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because on their girly day out, they'll end up, getting
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a cock balloon and going to see rob beckett live.
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Yeah exactly good and joe what good on them if
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they're gonna enjoy himself but yeah i don't know i
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think i'd quite like them to have something that they
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loved that for me i love doing stand-up and like
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even if i won't get in sort of pain i'd
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always do it as my hobby so if they if
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they can find something that they love to do and
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it doesn't really feel like work that's what i'd love.
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Yeah i totally i i would say this though rob
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yeah if you somehow manage to send your career in
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a direction where you're just doing stand-up as a hobby
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with no way of getting paid. Yeah, that is bad.
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It's going to be bleak as hell.
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Yeah, it's your biac.
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People are going, you know that guy? Yeah. He used
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to play huge venues. Now he can't even get a
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fucking fee for this.
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We refuse to pay him and he still does an hour.
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We've had to start putting them on at five o'clock
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when they're filling in the venues. Well, what would be
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the best thing your kid could do that you follow
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them around the world doing?
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Right?
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So, like, you know, like, would it be, like, if
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they got into golf? Golf's quite a nice lifestyle.
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But, no, I think having a child who played sport
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would be too tense. It would always be tense, wouldn't it?
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Like, do you remember they used to cut to, like,
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you know, Judy Murray?
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She's never having a good time.
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Yes, but I think as I'm getting older, actually winning
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isn't that important.
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Really.
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Like you want to win and they'll want to win
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and you understand that they'll get nervous and really want it.
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But you've got to remember, Rob, you're not playing for
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the same prize money as Wimbledon.
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Yeah, I know. But I just, I was listening to
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a Johnny Wilkinson documentary. Have you listened to Johnny Wilkinson's
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like the way he's changed his mental approach to stuff?
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He's completely, he's done loads of therapy, I think, and
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just completely changed the way he's thought about stuff and
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how that his approach to his life when he was
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at his most successful was he was at his most unhappiest.
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when he was winning the World Cup, and about how
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he put too much pressure on himself. He thought that
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winning the World Cup made you be something, but actually
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it's what you feel inside and stuff like that. So
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I think, even if they did do sport, I could hope... No,
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I'm telling lies here. I'd be fucking screaming for him
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to win.
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I think, particularly in what we do, or if you're
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in an industry that's competitive, there's this kind of presumption that...
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that there is going to be something you achieve that
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will unlock a happiness in yourself.
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And it doesn't happen.
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And I think the realisation that that isn't the case
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is probably the most freeing thing that can happen to someone.
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100%, yeah.
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And I think we can both identify people that haven't
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had that realisation.
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No, and I hadn't at the start of my career,
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and I think I sort of have in the last
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year or so, and I think COVID's helped with that.
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But when you realise, actually, getting live at the Apollo
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or selling out your tour... or hosting the variety performance
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or getting a BAFTA or whatever those things are in
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your industry. It may be becoming a headmaster. It might
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be doing a million pounds worth of sales at your
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company or whatever it is. Once you reach those things,
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you actually get there and go, ah, that's not what's
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going to make me happy. It's your approach to the
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world that makes you happy. So I think I don't
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think I would be that tense watching them win a
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tournament because I know that they'd won it and it
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would kill them. But I just got to understand that
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they're on their journey to realise that that won't make
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them happy. And you can't tell them, can you? No
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one could have got through to Johnny Wilkinson before the
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World Cup final and go, this don't really matter, man.
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He'd be like, fuck off, I've.
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Got to win.
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I think what we're both trying to say, Rob, is
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that we didn't want to be number one Peter Crouch.
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You can have your fucking number one spot in the
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podcast show.
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I mean, yeah, sure. We were the biggest podcast in
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the country this year. Who cares, baby? I know we're joking, though,
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but genuinely, if we're doing this show, I just love
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doing it and I really enjoy it. talking to you
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and it's freeing and fun and I enjoy it. If
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we were 50th in the chart or 100 or one,
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it's nice to be one and it's good and you
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get benefits from all of that stuff and it's easier
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to put guests in that. But I am now, my
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approach since all of COVID and this may be a
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bit too deep is, I'm just doing stuff, maybe because
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I've been on my own for two weeks, but my
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approach now is to make sure that every day I
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wake up, I'm enjoying that day's activities and it's fun
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and I enjoy it because I can't waste any more
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of my life suffering with stuff just for the sake
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of saying, I did that. Do you know what I mean?
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Totally, totally, Rob. Couldn't agree more. That's genuinely... Maybe there's
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positives you can take out of the lockdown like that.
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Yes.
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And in four months when we come out of the lockdown.
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I think what it is, is the lockdown's made you
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realise everything's been taken away from us. If you think
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about all of our freedoms to the point of the
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other day, I went for a walk with a friend
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and I was like, oh, my other mate, his other
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mate worked in that building. Oh, does he want to
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come out as well? I was like, well, we're not
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allowed to do that. The fact that you can't walk
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through a park with two people is mad. And having
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all that taken away from you, it made me cherish
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and realise how amazing certain things are in life that
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you would have just disregarded as Like, you know, me
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and you do filming and they'll go, oh, you're going
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off to Portugal to film. And you're like, oh, God, well,
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I'll get that in here. Like, when the reality is, oh,
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my God, get to go to another country and meet
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new people. And all that stuff's sort of gone. So
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my approach now is to make sure that every day
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I'm doing something, I'm enjoying it and not just putting
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up with it for what someone else deems is a success.
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I think, do you know what?
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Yeah.
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We didn't expect this to be the intro to Sean Rock.
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LAUGHTER And you're going to get a very different vibe
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from him. Oh, wowee.
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If you're feeling chilled out and zen listening to this,
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just pause it and go and enjoy that feeling for
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a bit.
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Yeah, and then when you want to sort of swear
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at the world, come back and plug into a bit
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of locking. It's a good episode, isn't it, Joshua? Sorry
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for getting a bit serious. Got a bit serious there,
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but I think it's good sometimes, isn't it, Josh?
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Totally. I think that's, you know, that's what this is for.
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And I think the thing with Sean Locke is, of
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all the comedians, he's probably the one I most enjoy.
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watching and the one you're most excited to see what
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they say and he barely podcasts if he ever has
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podcasts so it was amazing when he said yes well
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I think he's.
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One of the best comedians this country's ever produced so
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do I so yeah enjoy Sean Locke he's got is
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it three kids two kids three three three three teenage
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kids yeah which is and the thought of having teenage
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Sean Locke's in the house well you'll find out how
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it's going.
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Hello, Sean Lock, how are you?
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I'm okay, thanks. Can you hear me all right?
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Is my mic on?
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Yeah.
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Thank you. This is an honour. You've only ever done
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one other podcast, Sean, so this is your second. This
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is very exciting. Thanks for doing it.
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Second podcast, yes.
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Can you give us a quick explanation of your set-up
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at home? How many kids have you got and their ages?
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Oh, God, I know this one. Now, I've got two daughters.
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One's 17. No, she's not. She's 16, but she'll be
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17 in March. I've got another daughter who will be
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15 this week, and I've got a son of 11
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who will be 12 quite soon.
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Do you teach them, Sean?
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No, no, because they're at an age where at any
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age it wouldn't be of much use, but their age is, yeah,
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they don't need me, which is quite good, actually, because
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I've got friends who've got younger kids who say it's hell.
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I'm really glad I've escaped that, but it's another. there's
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other issues, let's call it.
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What are the other issues?
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Well, you know, just living together in lockdown. It's hard,
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isn't it?
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It's really hard.
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I know possibly when people see three comics talking about parenting,
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they're assuming we're going to choose the humorous side of
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the topic.
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Yeah.
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But I'd like to counteract that and kind of balance that.
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I think it's terrible. I mean, it's really terrible what
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they're going through, kids. I really do. I feel for them.
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So it's fucking terrible for them. Terrible.
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When they're older, the issues are really about attitude and
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just generally what the troubles they're going through, which are
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compounded by lockdown. So I'm not being serious. I'd be
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loathe to criticise my kids, because I think they're doing
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an amazing, amazing job of coping with it. All they've lost,
494
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all the socialising, which is what you are as a teenager,
495
00:20:48.859 --> 00:20:51.369
a social being, and you want to find out about
496
00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:54.390
how to make friends and more friends and meet boys
497
00:20:54.450 --> 00:20:57.529
or girls or whatever. I know you can't call them that, whatever,
498
00:20:57.569 --> 00:21:01.359
can you? No. That's me off Channel 4 for a
499
00:21:01.400 --> 00:21:04.740
couple of years. Like, you know, the idea of a
500
00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:09.460
moody teenager. Yeah. They are moody. They're fucking moody. They're
501
00:21:09.480 --> 00:21:13.220
unbelievably fucking moody. Imagine how moody my teenager's going to be.
502
00:21:15.740 --> 00:21:19.190
You know, like, you're so, you know, genuinely, you know,
503
00:21:19.490 --> 00:21:21.349
upbeat and light. I'm sure you have your moments.
504
00:21:21.369 --> 00:21:21.529
Yeah.
505
00:21:22.130 --> 00:21:24.289
As we all do. But, you know, it's going to
506
00:21:24.329 --> 00:21:27.509
be very different. If you think of it as like
507
00:21:27.549 --> 00:21:31.750
a sort of a measurement, like, like, you're that moody,
508
00:21:32.230 --> 00:21:35.410
so they're going to be that extra bit moody. Mine
509
00:21:35.430 --> 00:21:41.049
are up there, way, they're touching the ceiling. So they're
510
00:21:41.069 --> 00:21:45.890
very moody, very, very moody, which I've learned to both
511
00:21:46.450 --> 00:21:50.930
understand and be completely ignorant of in the same day.
512
00:21:51.890 --> 00:21:55.049
You know what I mean? In the same day, understanding, thoughtful,
513
00:21:55.690 --> 00:21:59.890
considerate parent who is fully aware of everything they're going
514
00:21:59.910 --> 00:22:02.160
through And the other times of the day, you just think,
515
00:22:02.220 --> 00:22:10.470
you little fucking... LAUGHTER I can't, I don't... Oh, Christ,
516
00:22:10.529 --> 00:22:11.809
I wish I'd sent you to boarding school.
517
00:22:13.569 --> 00:22:15.109
How were they when they were little? Were you a
518
00:22:15.109 --> 00:22:15.809
hands-on dad?
519
00:22:16.190 --> 00:22:19.220
Well, yeah, to a degree. I mean, I was touring
520
00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:22.839
a lot. It's unstable, so it might... When I was
521
00:22:22.880 --> 00:22:27.180
at home, definitely. But, you know, there were periods where
522
00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:29.240
I was away for quite a long time.
523
00:22:29.759 --> 00:22:30.039
Yeah.
524
00:22:30.059 --> 00:22:33.890
So... it's quite strange for them really, because they would
525
00:22:33.910 --> 00:22:37.990
have me around and then I'd be gone for, you know, well,
526
00:22:38.009 --> 00:22:41.009
when you go on a tour, you're gone for, technically
527
00:22:41.029 --> 00:22:43.829
you're gone for three or four months, although you do
528
00:22:43.890 --> 00:22:48.259
come home, you know, but really you're away. In many ways,
529
00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:51.019
it'd be good to be gone for that period of time,
530
00:22:51.039 --> 00:22:53.700
but obviously your wife needs help and you come back
531
00:22:53.779 --> 00:22:57.079
and then you go away again. So, yeah, well, I
532
00:22:57.119 --> 00:22:59.980
was hands-on as much as I could and I enjoyed it.
533
00:23:00.539 --> 00:23:02.640
elements of it and other elements of it I found
534
00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:09.140
just awful. Just all the jobs and you're knackered and
535
00:23:09.160 --> 00:23:11.309
you've got more jobs and then there's more mess and
536
00:23:11.329 --> 00:23:14.210
then there's more this and that. So sometimes you would
537
00:23:14.250 --> 00:23:17.890
find it absolutely enchanting and other times, as any normal
538
00:23:17.930 --> 00:23:22.099
person would probably experience or maybe not admit, you just go,
539
00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:28.319
this is just, this is just shit. This is awful.
540
00:23:29.150 --> 00:23:31.630
It's got people moaning at me and shouting at me
541
00:23:31.670 --> 00:23:34.710
all the time. And I know in front of me
542
00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:37.500
the whole day there's just task after task after task,
543
00:23:37.740 --> 00:23:39.059
which I was never built for.
544
00:23:39.460 --> 00:23:43.099
How are you as well, like, with the sort of
545
00:23:43.259 --> 00:23:45.319
small talk at the school gates with the other parents?
546
00:23:45.339 --> 00:23:47.160
Because that's something that's unavoidable.
547
00:23:47.420 --> 00:23:49.660
Yeah, I'm all right with that. I'm a fairly good
548
00:23:49.700 --> 00:23:53.789
social animal and I like people. And I know you
549
00:23:53.829 --> 00:23:54.730
find that hard to believe.
550
00:23:56.740 --> 00:23:59.099
You're a great person to have a chat with, but
551
00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:01.980
if you had to line up some UK comedians and
552
00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:04.819
who would be more willing to have a small talk conversation,
553
00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:06.180
I wouldn't put you at the front of the list.
554
00:24:06.619 --> 00:24:08.140
No, you're right. You're right. Absolutely right.
555
00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:09.940
And I would be very mood dependent.
556
00:24:10.140 --> 00:24:10.420
Yes.
557
00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:11.019
Yes.
558
00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:14.319
And I could tell in your eyes whether to or
559
00:24:14.359 --> 00:24:14.960
not have the chat.
560
00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:19.019
Yes. I would be doing that very much deliberately. That
561
00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:22.309
would be very intelligent of you to spot that message.
562
00:24:23.369 --> 00:24:25.470
And I tone it, I get it just to the
563
00:24:25.549 --> 00:24:29.190
right tone. So it's not like, start running.
564
00:24:29.430 --> 00:24:33.430
Yeah, just a nod and a walk past at speed.
565
00:24:33.470 --> 00:24:37.200
Yeah, because I go, oh, gosh, you're doing your start
566
00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:40.039
running look. That's not good. You just want them to
567
00:24:40.119 --> 00:24:40.799
not talk to you.
568
00:24:42.029 --> 00:24:44.529
Have you been asked to do speeches or talks at
569
00:24:44.549 --> 00:24:45.289
your kids' schools?
570
00:24:45.690 --> 00:24:48.470
Yeah, I've done a few. I did a few quizzes.
571
00:24:48.910 --> 00:24:53.039
I did a few quizzes, you know, charities. Yeah. Which
572
00:24:53.119 --> 00:24:54.539
is nice to be able to help out.
573
00:24:54.700 --> 00:24:56.299
And do they watch you on telly, your kids?
574
00:24:56.619 --> 00:25:00.279
Yeah, I think they do now, but not... I don't
575
00:25:00.299 --> 00:25:01.359
think they choose that.
576
00:25:01.380 --> 00:25:02.759
You know what I mean? I don't think they go.
577
00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:08.450
Right, there's all of Netflix. We finally got them to
578
00:25:08.509 --> 00:25:12.789
start using the iPlayer again, and it's not an uncool, old,
579
00:25:13.210 --> 00:25:16.750
fuddy-duddy piece of software. Because they just had this thing
580
00:25:16.769 --> 00:25:19.390
that they would only watch Netflix. Really annoying. I'm sure
581
00:25:19.410 --> 00:25:22.930
it's a whole other topic. They have seen me, but
582
00:25:22.950 --> 00:25:24.490
I don't think they'd watch me by choice. Not at
583
00:25:24.509 --> 00:25:25.170
this age, anyway.
584
00:25:25.349 --> 00:25:28.109
And when they were smaller, Sean, I can't imagine you
585
00:25:28.269 --> 00:25:30.730
quaintly playing with a child and pretending you're having a
586
00:25:30.779 --> 00:25:33.339
tea party and stuff like that. Did you throw yourself
587
00:25:33.420 --> 00:25:34.660
into that? Was that your kind of thing?
588
00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:35.259
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
589
00:25:35.339 --> 00:25:40.200
And I enjoyed all that. I love playing games. I
590
00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:45.130
love a good Nerf war around the house. I've got
591
00:25:45.150 --> 00:25:48.069
my own Nerf gun. Really? Yeah, my wife got it
592
00:25:48.089 --> 00:25:48.950
for me for my birthday.
593
00:25:48.970 --> 00:25:49.569
It's brilliant.
594
00:25:50.359 --> 00:25:51.460
It's a really powerful one.
595
00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:54.799
They are fun. They are fun. But you can really
596
00:25:54.980 --> 00:25:56.700
buy your way to the top of an earth war.
597
00:25:57.299 --> 00:25:59.039
It's an arms race.
598
00:25:59.380 --> 00:26:01.619
It's just a shame I didn't have them when I
599
00:26:01.640 --> 00:26:03.640
was a kid. I imagine how happy I would have
600
00:26:03.660 --> 00:26:06.450
been when I was a kid. You had a gun
601
00:26:06.470 --> 00:26:10.059
that actually fired and was... considered to be safe it's
602
00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:13.809
an amazing achievement though hats off to Mr Nerf I
603
00:26:13.829 --> 00:26:17.490
think he's a man isn't he he's like he's like
604
00:26:17.509 --> 00:26:19.569
what do you want for the chocolate factory but instead
605
00:26:19.589 --> 00:26:22.650
they're just making guns you've got Oompa Loompas.
606
00:26:22.250 --> 00:26:24.490
They are actually firing tiny Oompa Loompas that's what the
607
00:26:24.519 --> 00:26:27.680
bullets are well yeah yeah I.
608
00:26:27.500 --> 00:26:29.380
Love playing with my kids yeah yeah I used to
609
00:26:29.420 --> 00:26:30.119
really enjoy that.
610
00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:35.480
And what about disciplining them? Are you a soft touch
611
00:26:35.500 --> 00:26:37.400
or are you the one that's in charge of telling
612
00:26:37.420 --> 00:26:37.690
them off?
613
00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:39.359
No, I'm a bit all over the place, to be honest.
614
00:26:39.519 --> 00:26:41.400
I'm not very good, but I'll be honest with you.
615
00:26:41.619 --> 00:26:44.650
I'll be very honest with you. I would say, looking back,
616
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I'm not a very good parent. No, seriously.
617
00:26:49.230 --> 00:26:50.089
What about you say that?
618
00:26:50.109 --> 00:26:53.130
I would say because I'm inconsistent, which I don't know
619
00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:55.599
whether that's a common thing. But I would say, yeah,
620
00:26:55.619 --> 00:26:57.779
I would say my wife's obviously a much better parent
621
00:26:57.799 --> 00:26:58.059
than me.
622
00:26:58.980 --> 00:27:03.700
And really has taken on the reins of dealing with
623
00:27:03.859 --> 00:27:07.700
their behavior, because I would go one way, one minute,
624
00:27:08.019 --> 00:27:14.980
I'd be reacting quite strongly towards their misbehavior, their rudeness, their.
625
00:27:14.940 --> 00:27:19.150
Just, just, oh, they're just, they're. You know, sometimes I
626
00:27:19.170 --> 00:27:22.130
just go, what the hell are they doing? Why am
627
00:27:22.710 --> 00:27:24.210
I living with these awful people?
628
00:27:24.930 --> 00:27:27.670
What would prompt that? What kind of behaviour would it be?
629
00:27:27.730 --> 00:27:29.430
Not being polite?
630
00:27:29.470 --> 00:27:33.759
Just shouting at you, demanding, you haven't done something, you're this,
631
00:27:33.819 --> 00:27:35.890
you're that. I mean, my kids are an age where
632
00:27:35.910 --> 00:27:40.339
they swear, and I have to admit, over the years,
633
00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:46.150
a few words have tumbled from my lips. LAUGHTER which
634
00:27:46.230 --> 00:27:48.509
I'm not the most proud of. And so they use
635
00:27:48.569 --> 00:27:51.930
those with, you know, justifying. If I swore in my house,
636
00:27:52.089 --> 00:27:55.369
I'd just literally get a whack around the head at
637
00:27:55.490 --> 00:28:00.750
any age. Well, maybe at 17 or 18. But, you know,
638
00:28:00.789 --> 00:28:03.130
you would get a clout and that's, well, I'm quite, oh,
639
00:28:03.190 --> 00:28:06.380
I'm all quite from a different sort of era. So
640
00:28:06.759 --> 00:28:08.430
I'm a bit confused when they start swearing at me.
641
00:28:08.440 --> 00:28:11.799
I think you're supposed to hit people when they swear.
642
00:28:11.819 --> 00:28:11.900
Yeah.
643
00:28:15.089 --> 00:28:17.529
But I go, I know you can't do that anymore.
644
00:28:17.769 --> 00:28:22.319
Shout back at them. So would you.
645
00:28:22.220 --> 00:28:25.140
Say you're a mood-dependent parent where if you are in
646
00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:26.380
a bad mood, you'll... Yeah.
647
00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:30.400
I think I am. I think I'm really disappointed in
648
00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:35.930
myself in that way. Yeah, I would say I'm an
649
00:28:36.230 --> 00:28:40.390
inconsistent parent, yeah, which I think isn't good and I
650
00:28:40.430 --> 00:28:43.099
think is due to the parenting I had, you know.
651
00:28:43.769 --> 00:28:46.609
So I would say I had very inconsistent parenting in
652
00:28:46.650 --> 00:28:50.009
many ways. A lot of unfortunate stuff happened. So I
653
00:28:50.049 --> 00:28:53.420
don't have a consistent parenting template.
654
00:28:53.980 --> 00:28:54.400
Yes.
655
00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:57.319
It's what you need. I think, you know, if you
656
00:28:57.359 --> 00:29:01.740
had that template, you kind of know how to play
657
00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:05.059
the game. And I think that, you know, rather than
658
00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:10.319
break the cycle, I've kept it going. But just reduced
659
00:29:10.420 --> 00:29:12.309
it slightly. Yeah, yeah, toned it down a bit.
660
00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:12.980
Took the edge off.
661
00:29:13.380 --> 00:29:15.049
Yeah, toned it down, took the edge off.
662
00:29:15.789 --> 00:29:17.650
So were there things that you wanted to do as
663
00:29:17.690 --> 00:29:20.730
a parent to like discipline kids or, you know, how
664
00:29:20.789 --> 00:29:22.730
to treat your kids? And then your wife would be like, no,
665
00:29:22.750 --> 00:29:24.390
that's not what you do, but that's what you were
666
00:29:24.470 --> 00:29:26.700
used to. Or was you aware of it?
667
00:29:26.970 --> 00:29:29.990
Every hour of the day. Well, not every other day,
668
00:29:30.009 --> 00:29:34.839
but I'd say she tells me, no, for God's sake.
669
00:29:35.819 --> 00:29:36.819
Why have you done?
670
00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:41.200
Have you got the exam? of when that's happened?
671
00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:44.119
Every day. Well, just, she said, why do you engage
672
00:29:44.140 --> 00:29:46.089
with them when they start shouting at you? You don't
673
00:29:46.180 --> 00:29:49.390
get into an argument with a 15-year-old. You just ignore them,
674
00:29:49.430 --> 00:29:55.750
walk away. yeah you know i had.
675
00:29:55.829 --> 00:29:57.460
A really good point.
676
00:29:57.470 --> 00:30:00.160
Do you quite enjoy that confrontation and a point of
677
00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:03.039
an argument if you think you're right back and forth.
678
00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:05.259
Yeah i i think i don't think i enjoy a
679
00:30:05.319 --> 00:30:09.160
confrontation but i don't have any um i don't have
680
00:30:09.220 --> 00:30:11.380
a i don't reject it as an idea i think
681
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:13.140
a lot of people just go they don't i can't
682
00:30:13.180 --> 00:30:15.890
do confrontation i don't like confrontation yeah i don't have
683
00:30:15.990 --> 00:30:18.630
any kind of um I don't embrace it, but I
684
00:30:18.670 --> 00:30:19.289
accept it.
685
00:30:19.470 --> 00:30:20.650
Yeah, you don't find it difficult.
686
00:30:20.670 --> 00:30:22.390
Yeah, it's part of everyday life.
687
00:30:22.470 --> 00:30:27.930
Yeah, and I suppose my children are a bit like that. Well,
688
00:30:28.170 --> 00:30:31.349
my daughters are. And I would say that that would
689
00:30:31.390 --> 00:30:36.769
be personality, just that what's what you're given, an extension
690
00:30:36.829 --> 00:30:40.039
of it. But also I would say a good portion
691
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:42.799
of that is due to how both of us have
692
00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:48.589
parented them, but possibly my influence has been greater. A
693
00:30:48.609 --> 00:30:51.609
lot of people would probably be nodding at some of
694
00:30:51.630 --> 00:30:54.170
the things I'm saying. I'm sure it's more common than
695
00:30:54.809 --> 00:30:59.549
is admitted. Yeah, yeah. And I think that we need
696
00:30:59.569 --> 00:31:03.000
to sort of admit that, you know, we fuck up
697
00:31:03.140 --> 00:31:07.740
on a daily basis, you know, monthly basis. So I'd
698
00:31:07.779 --> 00:31:10.220
say I fucked up, but I do still really enjoy
699
00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:13.089
my kids and I still– you know, have a really
700
00:31:13.130 --> 00:31:20.890
good laugh with them. But then seconds later, we're actually....
701
00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:24.759
It sounds quite like a Mediterranean family that are quite passionate.
702
00:31:24.779 --> 00:31:27.079
I tell them I love them every day, you know,
703
00:31:27.099 --> 00:31:30.579
more than once a day. And I apologise to my
704
00:31:30.619 --> 00:31:31.579
kids when I'm out of order.
705
00:31:31.640 --> 00:31:34.960
I think that's important. I think that's a very new
706
00:31:35.059 --> 00:31:38.400
thing where maybe your parents wouldn't have apologised if they'd
707
00:31:38.440 --> 00:31:39.579
done something wrong. Ever.
708
00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:39.740
Ever.
709
00:31:40.269 --> 00:31:40.950
Ever. Yeah.
710
00:31:40.970 --> 00:31:43.049
And how does it go when you apologise to them?
711
00:31:43.150 --> 00:31:45.039
Do they apologise to you as well, or is it?
712
00:31:45.420 --> 00:31:49.980
A little bit, but more, it's just, it's nodding and
713
00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:53.119
you go, well, sometimes my daughter says, now, I bet
714
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:56.319
you after this, when you've finished, You're going to just
715
00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:58.599
come back and say sorry in about half an hour.
716
00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:01.089
She hasn't got quite as gruff voice as I'm doing.
717
00:32:02.990 --> 00:32:03.890
And she's right.
718
00:32:03.910 --> 00:32:04.369
You know, I do.
719
00:32:04.390 --> 00:32:07.369
You know, sometimes it is predictable, but at least I do.
720
00:32:08.269 --> 00:32:12.029
Yeah. Well, I think as well, lockdown, hormones, teenage daughters
721
00:32:12.069 --> 00:32:14.579
in a house, it's... You know, it's a boiling pot.
722
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:16.220
It's really tough on them.
723
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:18.880
And it must be frustrating, you know, especially when you're
724
00:32:18.900 --> 00:32:21.319
looking at your kids learning from home and not being
725
00:32:21.339 --> 00:32:24.359
with their friends and stuff like that. When COVID ends,
726
00:32:24.380 --> 00:32:26.160
as it were, and there's no restrictions or lockdowns, is
727
00:32:26.180 --> 00:32:27.539
there one thing that you'd like to do with your
728
00:32:27.579 --> 00:32:30.180
family or your kids? Would you want to go on
729
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:32.009
a big family holiday together or would you want a
730
00:32:32.029 --> 00:32:32.650
bit of time away?
731
00:32:32.670 --> 00:32:35.210
Away. So I think all of us need a break.
732
00:32:35.950 --> 00:32:37.690
So you'll send them on like travelling alone.
733
00:32:38.549 --> 00:32:40.450
Well, my eldest will be old enough to go off
734
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on her own. She'll be 17. with mates, obviously. And, well,
735
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I think probably what we'll do is, like, my wife
736
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will take one away to do something they like doing
737
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and I'll go away with my son.
738
00:32:53.470 --> 00:32:58.220
Yeah. Do you take your kids' football, Sean? I know
739
00:32:58.240 --> 00:32:59.859
you're a big Chelsea fan and you've got a season ticket.
740
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Do you take them to football?
741
00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:02.779
Yeah, I do. I do take them, yeah, yeah, yeah.
742
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:05.440
Is that a real nice bonding thing to do?
743
00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:07.359
It is, yeah. I take my daughters as well.
744
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Yeah.
745
00:33:08.059 --> 00:33:12.069
My eldest one is because she is so... difficult is
746
00:33:12.089 --> 00:33:14.609
to decide to support Man City. The nations need to
747
00:33:14.630 --> 00:33:15.690
know where Manchester is.
748
00:33:16.029 --> 00:33:17.170
Just to wind you up, is that?
749
00:33:17.710 --> 00:33:18.670
Yes, yeah, yeah.
750
00:33:18.690 --> 00:33:20.430
So would you say your eldest is the one you...
751
00:33:20.490 --> 00:33:23.029
Is she similar to you then in personality and you clash?
752
00:33:23.049 --> 00:33:24.809
Yeah, she's most similar to me, yeah.
753
00:33:24.910 --> 00:33:26.980
Yeah, okay. And she's a Man City fan?
754
00:33:27.410 --> 00:33:30.410
Not really, but, you know, she's anything that makes my
755
00:33:30.809 --> 00:33:31.450
mouth twitch.
756
00:33:31.630 --> 00:33:36.910
LAUGHTER Has she got other little things she does to
757
00:33:36.930 --> 00:33:39.329
try and wind you up, Sean? Is it like, I
758
00:33:39.369 --> 00:33:41.369
used to put those tomato sauce on my dinner to
759
00:33:41.390 --> 00:33:41.970
annoy my dad?
760
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Yeah, yeah.
761
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They do loads of stuff like that. They do loads.
762
00:33:45.250 --> 00:33:48.400
They just, they know your buttons. They know you really well.
763
00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:51.500
They know you inside out. They've observed you in a
764
00:33:51.579 --> 00:33:54.240
really interesting way because they've observed you as their brains
765
00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:58.500
have developed. So you're deeply imprinted upon them, obviously, but
766
00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:03.259
also they've just been watching you be different. fucking useless
767
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:09.980
idiot over and over again. So they start watching you going, oh, God,
768
00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:12.239
you know, he's done that, he's done this or he's
769
00:34:12.260 --> 00:34:15.300
done that. So I think they've been observing you for
770
00:34:15.340 --> 00:34:17.199
a long, long period of time as well. So they
771
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:19.800
know you inside out. If you ask them to do something,
772
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like after every meal, I don't think it's a lot
773
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:24.260
to ask. I don't think it's a lot to ask.
774
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:27.590
It's just take your plate up to the, we don't
775
00:34:27.630 --> 00:34:29.829
ask them to wash up because that's just too much
776
00:34:29.869 --> 00:34:32.119
of the battle. We've given up on that. but just
777
00:34:32.179 --> 00:34:34.179
take your plates from the table to the sink. Would
778
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:37.420
you do that? Could you manage that? Yeah, yeah, I'll
779
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:38.500
do that. I'll do it in a minute. I'm just
780
00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:44.090
going to do something. Well, no, but you're getting up. Yeah,
781
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:46.650
but I've just got to do this. You know, just
782
00:34:46.710 --> 00:34:49.230
little things that just constantly wind you up. And every
783
00:34:49.269 --> 00:34:51.610
day we have to ask, to the point now where
784
00:34:51.630 --> 00:34:53.809
I just go, I just take the plate up and
785
00:34:53.829 --> 00:34:57.000
I can't be bothered with the acrobat. So they do
786
00:34:57.059 --> 00:34:59.139
win in that respect.
787
00:34:59.420 --> 00:35:00.980
With them being on their phones a lot, do you
788
00:35:01.019 --> 00:35:03.579
have rules on social media and their phones, how long
789
00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:04.199
they can be on?
790
00:35:04.659 --> 00:35:07.360
Yeah, and that's the big point of conflict. That's the
791
00:35:07.420 --> 00:35:10.539
main point of conflict is switching their phones off because
792
00:35:10.579 --> 00:35:13.179
my wife has control over their phones from her phone.
793
00:35:13.579 --> 00:35:14.480
Oh, wow.
794
00:35:14.699 --> 00:35:17.659
Yeah, you can do that quite easy. You set their
795
00:35:17.699 --> 00:35:21.130
phone contract up through yours. Don't ask me how she's
796
00:35:21.170 --> 00:35:25.429
done it. So she can control not just how long
797
00:35:26.010 --> 00:35:29.539
their phones are switched on, but also what apps they
798
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:33.619
have and how long they have on those apps. Oh, wow. Oh, wow.
799
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Yeah.
800
00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:36.739
So what's the main app that they... There's a.
801
00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:40.900
Lot of Instagram, obviously, TikTok, Depop, those kind of things.
802
00:35:41.179 --> 00:35:43.699
But what we did with our eldest, we said, 16,
803
00:35:43.699 --> 00:35:47.400
we said, right, okay, we'd agreed with her, you have
804
00:35:47.460 --> 00:35:51.440
control of your phone and you can monitor it, but
805
00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:54.960
it's your job to monitor it. But she still had the...
806
00:35:56.260 --> 00:35:58.139
and she was only 10 hours a day on it.
807
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:01.639
After three months of this, we said, you can't control it,
808
00:36:01.670 --> 00:36:06.869
can you? She's like, yes, I can. We go, well... No,
809
00:36:06.929 --> 00:36:11.369
you can't, can you? You're 10 hours a day. 10 hours.
810
00:36:12.010 --> 00:36:14.309
I mean, my eldest, I think, is particularly more addicted.
811
00:36:14.369 --> 00:36:16.969
My middle one is less. She's more inclined to go
812
00:36:17.030 --> 00:36:21.420
off and do stuff. She's actually more, she makes things.
813
00:36:21.619 --> 00:36:25.960
She sews a lot and does constructive stuff and paints
814
00:36:26.059 --> 00:36:29.000
and does things like that. But my eldest one, yeah,
815
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:31.139
she'll get really stuck into her phone.
816
00:36:31.449 --> 00:36:35.130
I find it amazing. The thought of how to decide
817
00:36:35.429 --> 00:36:38.550
when my daughter, whenever she gets the age, it feels
818
00:36:38.570 --> 00:36:41.349
to me like it's so foreign from the experience of
819
00:36:41.409 --> 00:36:43.690
me growing up when it was TV or maybe a
820
00:36:43.929 --> 00:36:48.309
computer game. Because I know what effect it's had on
821
00:36:48.369 --> 00:36:51.730
me in the last 10 years, my smartphone. It's completely
822
00:36:51.789 --> 00:36:54.590
changed my ability to concentrate or my ability to kind
823
00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:57.849
of do anything really. Or when I'm not with it,
824
00:36:57.980 --> 00:37:00.630
I do feel... Like withdrawal symptoms, really.
825
00:37:01.090 --> 00:37:03.389
And you smoke. When you smoke, it's bad for your lungs,
826
00:37:03.429 --> 00:37:05.389
so you're not allowed to do that until you're older. But,
827
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:08.320
you know, the phones are terrible for your mental health
828
00:37:08.380 --> 00:37:10.639
and your development, but it's sort of free reign.
829
00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:12.719
Yeah, it's OK, because we never had the debate, because
830
00:37:12.739 --> 00:37:15.980
the technology came in so quickly. Yeah. And because it's
831
00:37:16.019 --> 00:37:19.139
not something you directly imbibe. There was never a debate
832
00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:22.900
about it in society. It's like, I find that frustrating.
833
00:37:23.219 --> 00:37:25.900
You know, it's really interesting that the heads of most
834
00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:29.489
of these big tech companies don't let their kids... use
835
00:37:29.530 --> 00:37:33.050
phones because they know how, they're designed to be addictive.
836
00:37:33.090 --> 00:37:35.510
The like button and all that, designed to be addictive.
837
00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:38.639
But what it is, is because parents didn't have the
838
00:37:38.659 --> 00:37:41.880
debate and parents, there's the soft parents who go, yeah,
839
00:37:41.900 --> 00:37:43.920
you can go on your phone all the time. So
840
00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:47.610
the other kids eventually feel the pressure to go on
841
00:37:47.630 --> 00:37:50.809
their phones all the time and be on their phones. So,
842
00:37:50.829 --> 00:37:53.230
you know, it's that kind of peer pressure, but it
843
00:37:53.449 --> 00:37:57.920
is something that's so powerful that It should be, at
844
00:37:58.900 --> 00:38:00.760
least there should be a discussion about banning them.
845
00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:04.139
So does your eldest daughter, when you talk about that
846
00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:05.610
on the phone, does she just sort of palm it
847
00:38:05.619 --> 00:38:08.489
off as, oh, you're just behind the times, you don't understand,
848
00:38:08.550 --> 00:38:09.409
you're older and stuff?
849
00:38:10.269 --> 00:38:12.909
Sometimes she goes, yeah, you're right. Other times she'll just
850
00:38:12.989 --> 00:38:14.070
fess up and she'll just go.
851
00:38:15.349 --> 00:38:16.730
Because what it is, you don't have the.
852
00:38:16.690 --> 00:38:19.429
Relationship with the content. You have the relationship with the device.
853
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:22.179
That's what's really interesting about it. Not the content. The
854
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:25.800
content is irrelevant. You know, the content, that's why, you know, YouTubers,
855
00:38:25.820 --> 00:38:27.800
you know, you may have met a new YouTuber. How
856
00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:33.440
shit is a YouTuber? How low is the standard of
857
00:38:33.559 --> 00:38:37.820
work that they present to their audience? How piss poor
858
00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:40.940
are they? You know, you think of any YouTuber that
859
00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:46.280
would raise anything other than just a mild, but they've
860
00:38:46.340 --> 00:38:49.659
got millions of followers because their followers have no are
861
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:52.960
not discerning in any way they're the least discerning audience
862
00:38:52.980 --> 00:38:55.059
ever created.
863
00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:56.730
They rely on the regularity of like if i go
864
00:38:56.789 --> 00:38:59.570
there i know i'll get that and the quality is
865
00:38:59.690 --> 00:39:02.030
never really that bigger issue it's just that it will
866
00:39:02.050 --> 00:39:02.889
always be there.
867
00:39:02.969 --> 00:39:05.190
If you if you showed me a youtuber with one
868
00:39:05.650 --> 00:39:07.630
cell of talent i'll be shocked.
869
00:39:10.090 --> 00:39:13.840
To be fair, the big ones are the way they
870
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:16.340
produce content, like KSI and people like that, I think
871
00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:20.300
could be good. But it's a bit like sketch comedy, YouTube.
872
00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:22.980
The good ones are incredible, but there's some absolute dog
873
00:39:23.010 --> 00:39:23.610
shit knocking about.
874
00:39:23.659 --> 00:39:27.570
I had a look and I didn't sense that, but
875
00:39:27.989 --> 00:39:30.280
maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm harsh on my harsh guy.
876
00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:36.900
I was going to say, are your kids into YouTubers then, Sean?
877
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:37.949
Do they love watching YouTube?
878
00:39:37.969 --> 00:39:40.289
No, they're not. They go on Depop, they look at clothes,
879
00:39:40.309 --> 00:39:41.110
and then they go on Instagram.
880
00:39:41.130 --> 00:39:44.869
Yeah, because didn't you move, like, down to the coast
881
00:39:44.909 --> 00:39:46.150
and then come back to London?
882
00:39:46.590 --> 00:39:46.929
Yeah.
883
00:39:46.949 --> 00:39:49.050
Was that a chart? Was it the kids didn't get
884
00:39:49.090 --> 00:39:50.510
on with it, or was it more just as a
885
00:39:50.550 --> 00:39:51.440
family didn't like it?
886
00:39:51.469 --> 00:39:55.719
No, it was when we moved. We lived in Bow,
887
00:39:56.099 --> 00:39:59.039
and then we moved out to Lewis. And I don't
888
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:03.079
really know why. We just thought, I just, number one,
889
00:40:03.159 --> 00:40:05.719
we're We were talking, my wife was always saying, we
890
00:40:05.739 --> 00:40:08.250
could spend our whole life in London. It might be
891
00:40:08.269 --> 00:40:09.949
good to experience something else. And then you just don't
892
00:40:09.969 --> 00:40:12.670
realise what you've set in motion just by just amusing
893
00:40:13.170 --> 00:40:16.570
thought with a glass of wine on a sofa. Next minute,
894
00:40:16.610 --> 00:40:18.010
you've totally screwed up your life.
895
00:40:18.050 --> 00:40:21.909
So what was it like?
896
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:23.480
It was awful.
897
00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:24.039
Was it?
898
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:26.789
Awful. No, there's nothing wrong with Lewis.
899
00:40:26.809 --> 00:40:29.190
It's a lovely town. It's just it wasn't right for us.
900
00:40:29.210 --> 00:40:33.510
It wasn't. We're city people. And I knew within half
901
00:40:33.550 --> 00:40:36.349
an hour of moving there, I hadn't really prepared myself
902
00:40:36.409 --> 00:40:41.070
mentally because I'm a stupid bloke. But my wife had
903
00:40:41.130 --> 00:40:45.269
obviously done all the preparation and the emotional preparation. And
904
00:40:45.369 --> 00:40:48.210
so we got down there and as these blokes were
905
00:40:48.230 --> 00:40:52.070
humping our furniture into the house. One said, oh, lovely
906
00:40:52.110 --> 00:40:54.369
garden you've got there. I see you sitting there in
907
00:40:54.769 --> 00:40:56.409
a lounge with a drink. That would be lovely, that.
908
00:40:56.429 --> 00:41:01.480
I was thinking, oh, God. Oh, no, that's what my
909
00:41:01.539 --> 00:41:04.400
future is. It's just sitting on a fricking lounger in
910
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:09.280
my lovely garden. Now, I walked around the house, and
911
00:41:09.340 --> 00:41:10.780
it wasn't a night. It was a bigger house than
912
00:41:10.820 --> 00:41:12.659
we had, a much bigger house than we had in London,
913
00:41:12.780 --> 00:41:15.880
but with a proper-sized garden. I remember sitting there and thinking,
914
00:41:16.539 --> 00:41:18.639
I don't remember this being part of the plan, living
915
00:41:18.699 --> 00:41:21.159
in a massive big, you know, this was never what
916
00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:24.360
I wanted. And then I just sort of was sort
917
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:27.760
of really upset, not upset, but, you know, thinking, oh, Christ,
918
00:41:27.780 --> 00:41:29.659
I don't want to, what have I done? And my
919
00:41:29.699 --> 00:41:33.760
wife said to me, you can't undermine something we've made,
920
00:41:33.820 --> 00:41:37.530
we've done, we've done this together. We're going to see
921
00:41:37.590 --> 00:41:39.849
it through and you'll just have to bite your lip.
922
00:41:39.909 --> 00:41:41.550
So I did, I bit my lip for a year
923
00:41:42.170 --> 00:41:43.650
and then she came to me and she said, I
924
00:41:43.690 --> 00:41:44.590
can't live here either.
925
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:48.769
And what did you feel at that point, Sean?
926
00:41:49.070 --> 00:41:52.570
I was just delighted. I think I leapt up and
927
00:41:52.789 --> 00:41:55.949
hugged her and danced around the living room.
928
00:41:56.889 --> 00:41:58.449
And how old were the kids at that point?
929
00:41:58.929 --> 00:42:00.739
My eldest was about nine or ten.
930
00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:03.679
Oh, so they hadn't started secondary school. But you had
931
00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:06.679
to change their primary schools and then move back again.
932
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:09.900
Yeah. So when we moved back in 2014, we were
933
00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:13.980
lucky we got into a primary school around where we
934
00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:17.110
live now. And they are all really grateful. None of
935
00:42:17.130 --> 00:42:21.969
them miss it. Oh, good. But it's a lovely place
936
00:42:22.010 --> 00:42:24.550
and the people are really nice. There's nothing wrong with
937
00:42:24.570 --> 00:42:29.059
the place. It just wasn't right for us. But I
938
00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:31.119
would always warn people, I say, you know, you think
939
00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:34.340
of this idyllic life. There's only so many fricking walks
940
00:42:34.380 --> 00:42:34.900
you want to go on.
941
00:42:35.340 --> 00:42:37.960
I'm genuinely going to, I cannot wait for Rose to
942
00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:39.840
listen to this episode because this is what she needs
943
00:42:39.889 --> 00:42:40.199
to hear.
944
00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:41.780
Oh, she wants to go, does she? Where does she
945
00:42:41.820 --> 00:42:42.130
want to go?
946
00:42:42.139 --> 00:42:43.780
Well, no, she doesn't want to go, but I think
947
00:42:43.820 --> 00:42:46.440
it's that same thing. It's that kind of, you know.
948
00:42:46.500 --> 00:42:47.969
You're... Idealising, yeah.
949
00:42:48.050 --> 00:42:51.550
Yeah, exactly. And the reality, actually, is that.
950
00:42:51.889 --> 00:42:56.170
Boring. It's really boring. It's fucking... If you want something
951
00:42:56.190 --> 00:43:00.469
that's dull, then move out. No, that's wrong, because I'll
952
00:43:00.489 --> 00:43:02.900
be upsetting loads of people. Ah, sod it. Sod it,
953
00:43:02.969 --> 00:43:03.409
upset them.
954
00:43:03.880 --> 00:43:06.420
When have you ever cared about upsetting people?
955
00:43:06.500 --> 00:43:09.420
Yeah, I know, but, you know, they buy tickets, don't they?
956
00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:15.960
Was it the people or was it just the amenities
957
00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:17.780
or was it, what was it?
958
00:43:17.949 --> 00:43:20.769
I mean, it's just boring. It's nice in the sun.
959
00:43:20.789 --> 00:43:21.849
I'll tell you what it is.
960
00:43:21.909 --> 00:43:22.369
It's the winter.
961
00:43:22.389 --> 00:43:27.769
The winter's awful. It's just dark. That's it. You've got
962
00:43:27.809 --> 00:43:33.559
about four hours of daylight and then it shuts down.
963
00:43:34.059 --> 00:43:36.559
It's just a small place. I wanted to be in
964
00:43:36.619 --> 00:43:38.809
a city. I'm a city person. So there's nothing wrong
965
00:43:38.829 --> 00:43:41.710
with that. I found it, for me, I missed all
966
00:43:41.730 --> 00:43:44.789
my mates, my family. Now, I'm so glad I moved back.
967
00:43:44.969 --> 00:43:47.769
Yeah, and I think it's good, though, to admit sometimes
968
00:43:47.809 --> 00:43:49.929
if you've made an error rather than just gritting your teeth.
969
00:43:50.409 --> 00:43:53.909
When talking about your friends, did you sit around as
970
00:43:53.949 --> 00:43:56.380
a family? One of your good friends is Bill Bailey.
971
00:43:56.429 --> 00:43:59.079
Did you sit around as a family and watch Strictly
972
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this winter?
973
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:01.679
Yes, yeah, it was great, wasn't it? It was brilliant.
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It's one of the great pleasures of the week, really.
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Are you tempted yourself for next year, Sean?
976
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:08.719
No, no, I don't think so. He phoned me up
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and asked me about whether he should do it or not,
978
00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:12.710
and I said, no, I don't think you should do it.
979
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:14.320
I don't know if he needed to make that phone
980
00:44:14.380 --> 00:44:16.039
call to get your response to that.
981
00:44:16.380 --> 00:44:20.150
No, I said no, but they're very, very different people.
982
00:44:20.170 --> 00:44:21.150
I mean, it's all the grinning.
983
00:44:21.250 --> 00:44:22.929
I couldn't do all the freaking grinning.
984
00:44:23.010 --> 00:44:23.510
No, yeah.
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And all the sort of, they didn't have to do
986
00:44:25.849 --> 00:44:27.329
as much this year because they were all sort of
987
00:44:27.469 --> 00:44:30.349
isolating people, wait a minute. But normally they're all sort
988
00:44:30.369 --> 00:44:31.710
of like standing around.
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00:44:31.989 --> 00:44:32.869
Hugging and yeah.
990
00:44:33.349 --> 00:44:37.429
Hugging and grinning and grinning and hugging. And everyone's so
991
00:44:37.860 --> 00:44:41.139
freaking upbeat on the show. So Bill handled it really well.
992
00:44:41.179 --> 00:44:43.260
Bill was a very good counterpoint to that. And he
993
00:44:43.300 --> 00:44:44.619
handled it his way.
994
00:44:44.780 --> 00:44:46.260
But you're a good dancer though. I saw you at
995
00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:48.960
that Prince concert. You like dancing. I love dancing. I
996
00:44:48.980 --> 00:44:50.219
think you could do well at it.
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00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:53.159
I think, yeah, I probably could learn the dance. I
998
00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:55.099
would like to learn to dance, but then I think
999
00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:57.199
to myself, if you want to learn to dance, go
1000
00:44:57.260 --> 00:44:58.679
and get some dancing lessons.
1001
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:03.139
You can afford it, Sean.
1002
00:45:03.179 --> 00:45:06.710
You can treat yourself. Go and get a dancing lesson.
1003
00:45:07.030 --> 00:45:09.889
You don't have to put yourself through the humiliation of
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00:45:09.949 --> 00:45:15.349
a TV show. But Bill asked me, and I said, no.
1005
00:45:15.610 --> 00:45:18.320
I said to him, look. I said, also, what about
1006
00:45:18.360 --> 00:45:21.179
the curse of strickling? And he said, yeah, well, I've
1007
00:45:21.199 --> 00:45:24.119
looked into that. I found out that most of the
1008
00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:27.929
people weren't very happy in their relationships. And I said, well,
1009
00:45:27.949 --> 00:45:33.250
of course they said that. I said, they're not going
1010
00:45:33.269 --> 00:45:34.670
to say I was really happy in.
1011
00:45:34.630 --> 00:45:40.329
My relationship, but look at what I've just pulled. I just,
1012
00:45:40.369 --> 00:45:43.449
you know, I couldn't help myself, but I was really happy.
1013
00:45:43.989 --> 00:45:45.389
Of course they're unhappy.
1014
00:45:45.409 --> 00:45:47.579
I said, they're bad at that. I said, and also,
1015
00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:50.880
at the start of Strictly, they were probably very happy
1016
00:45:50.940 --> 00:45:53.900
in their relationship, but week in, week out, a dancer
1017
00:45:53.980 --> 00:45:57.199
rubbing themselves up and down your thigh, for eight hours
1018
00:45:57.260 --> 00:45:59.619
a day, up and down, up and down.
1019
00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:05.300
And after a while you go, actually, I really like this.
1020
00:46:06.820 --> 00:46:09.219
This makes me really happy. I said, I don't think
1021
00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:12.550
I was very happy at home. Because my husband does this,
1022
00:46:12.630 --> 00:46:15.949
just rubs himself up and down against me. So I said,
1023
00:46:16.070 --> 00:46:20.630
I don't think that's the reason. But he's very... upright,
1024
00:46:20.690 --> 00:46:21.570
standing citizen.
1025
00:46:21.809 --> 00:46:23.309
Have you got any more questions, Josh, or should I
1026
00:46:23.309 --> 00:46:23.929
do my final?
1027
00:46:24.030 --> 00:46:26.809
No, I'd like your final question, Rob. I'm interested in
1028
00:46:26.849 --> 00:46:28.289
Sean's response to it.
1029
00:46:28.309 --> 00:46:30.230
Well, this is an opportunity, Sean, if there's something that
1030
00:46:30.269 --> 00:46:34.449
frustrates you about the way your partner parents, but you
1031
00:46:34.489 --> 00:46:37.099
can't really say it to her face without a row
1032
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:38.619
and shooing, but if she did listen back to this,
1033
00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:40.619
she could go, oh, that is a fair point and
1034
00:46:40.659 --> 00:46:43.260
I might change that behaviour. Is there something that your
1035
00:46:43.300 --> 00:46:45.480
wife does parenting-wise that you don't agree with?
1036
00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:49.460
Oh, God, no, not really. She's kind of like, Got
1037
00:46:49.500 --> 00:46:51.909
it pretty nailed down, really. She's pretty good at it.
1038
00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:57.260
I mean, I think she probably doesn't recognise her errors
1039
00:46:58.199 --> 00:47:01.409
as readily as I do. So when she fucks up,
1040
00:47:01.429 --> 00:47:04.510
because she obviously will inevitably screw up at some point. Yeah.
1041
00:47:04.809 --> 00:47:06.489
Say the wrong thing. I don't think she's very good
1042
00:47:06.510 --> 00:47:08.510
at sort of going, yeah.
1043
00:47:08.550 --> 00:47:09.250
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1044
00:47:09.289 --> 00:47:12.469
That was a bit of a... But she has to
1045
00:47:12.510 --> 00:47:14.510
be this kind of rock at the centre of the thing,
1046
00:47:14.530 --> 00:47:18.079
so maybe that's... That's the reason she, you know, once
1047
00:47:18.119 --> 00:47:21.679
you start picking away at the rock, you know, what
1048
00:47:21.900 --> 00:47:22.460
are you left with?
1049
00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:26.730
Yeah. What would she say about you, do you think,
1050
00:47:26.849 --> 00:47:27.949
that frustrates her the most?
1051
00:47:28.309 --> 00:47:29.809
She just came in the room right behind.
1052
00:47:29.869 --> 00:47:31.289
No, no joking, lads.
1053
00:47:31.349 --> 00:47:33.909
She just took, there's a printer next to me. And
1054
00:47:34.130 --> 00:47:38.929
as I was talking about her, she just crept in
1055
00:47:38.989 --> 00:47:40.829
and crept out. Thanks, guys.
1056
00:47:41.289 --> 00:47:45.860
Thanks a million. Oh, dear.
1057
00:47:45.980 --> 00:47:53.360
That's my afternoon. I was hoping to have non-stop sex
1058
00:47:53.460 --> 00:47:56.760
all afternoon, and now you've ruined it. No.
1059
00:47:57.090 --> 00:47:59.530
Thanks, Sean. That's been amazing. Thanks, that's perfect. Thanks, Sean.
1060
00:47:59.550 --> 00:47:59.849
So good.
1061
00:48:00.050 --> 00:48:01.070
Nice to speak to you, fellas.
1062
00:48:01.150 --> 00:48:01.969
Oh, thanks so much.
1063
00:48:02.010 --> 00:48:02.610
Cheers, Sean.
1064
00:48:02.670 --> 00:48:02.769
Bye.
1065
00:48:05.610 --> 00:48:08.010
Sean Lock there, Josh. I was a bit scared of
1066
00:48:08.030 --> 00:48:10.010
doing that one, because I love Sean, but he's quite
1067
00:48:10.030 --> 00:48:10.809
a scary man.
1068
00:48:11.130 --> 00:48:15.969
I'd say he's up there with my favourite comics in
1069
00:48:16.230 --> 00:48:16.630
the world.
1070
00:48:16.670 --> 00:48:16.969
Oh, yeah.
1071
00:48:17.389 --> 00:48:18.130
But he's also.
1072
00:48:19.289 --> 00:48:21.409
He is the Roy Keane of comedy.
1073
00:48:21.949 --> 00:48:23.619
Yes.
1074
00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:25.940
You like him, he's a pally, but you can get
1075
00:48:25.960 --> 00:48:27.059
a bit nervous with him.
1076
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:29.619
Let's be honest, we were all surprised when he said
1077
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:30.280
yes to doing it.
1078
00:48:30.659 --> 00:48:31.380
Yeah, exactly.
1079
00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:37.070
LAUGHTER I thought the response would be, do a fucking podcast,
1080
00:48:37.139 --> 00:48:37.590
fuck off.
1081
00:48:37.909 --> 00:48:40.530
Yeah, I bet. That's what I was expecting, or no reply.
1082
00:48:40.590 --> 00:48:42.889
He's probably a bit bored in lockdown, to be fair.
1083
00:48:42.909 --> 00:48:45.269
It sounds like him and his eldest daughter are two.
1084
00:48:45.449 --> 00:48:49.210
He's basically bred another Sean Locke that's younger and got
1085
00:48:49.250 --> 00:48:50.530
more energy than him to argue.
1086
00:48:50.730 --> 00:48:52.090
But do you know what? I think that that's a
1087
00:48:52.130 --> 00:48:55.539
really good, like, to spot your faults and be self-analytical
1088
00:48:55.760 --> 00:48:57.960
as a parent. I think it's a really big thing
1089
00:48:58.019 --> 00:48:59.139
to do. Do you know what I mean?
1090
00:48:59.179 --> 00:49:02.300
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I thought it was quite interesting,
1091
00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:06.400
his approach. But, yeah, like, it's hard, though. It must
1092
00:49:06.420 --> 00:49:10.199
be terrible for people with teenagers because that is the age, 17, that,
1093
00:49:10.219 --> 00:49:12.670
you know, to go out and do things and get
1094
00:49:12.690 --> 00:49:14.530
a job and meet people and all that. And it
1095
00:49:14.550 --> 00:49:16.809
must be frustrating watching your kids not be able to
1096
00:49:16.829 --> 00:49:19.210
do that and then getting frustrated and arguing with you
1097
00:49:19.250 --> 00:49:20.980
just because... they would normally be out the house at
1098
00:49:21.019 --> 00:49:21.400
this point.
1099
00:49:21.579 --> 00:49:25.420
Exactly. I think, you know, in a weird way, we are...
1100
00:49:25.860 --> 00:49:28.829
very lucky at the stage in our lives we're at
1101
00:49:28.969 --> 00:49:32.510
for this lockdown having a having kids our age where
1102
00:49:32.530 --> 00:49:35.610
then where we're not under pressure really to be getting
1103
00:49:35.690 --> 00:49:37.989
ready for gc not not really we're not under pressure
1104
00:49:38.010 --> 00:49:39.679
at all to be getting them ready for gcse and
1105
00:49:39.699 --> 00:49:43.539
they don't really they're not worrying about it or any.
1106
00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:44.900
Of that i think if you look at the top
1107
00:49:44.940 --> 00:49:47.079
trumps and like the best age to have if you're
1108
00:49:47.099 --> 00:49:49.320
having kids in lockdown i think it'd be year five
1109
00:49:49.380 --> 00:49:52.090
of primary school yeah where it's like nothing serious has
1110
00:49:52.110 --> 00:49:54.170
happened there's no big school coming they're old enough to
1111
00:49:54.190 --> 00:49:57.969
sort of navigate the laptop and unmute themselves and do
1112
00:49:58.010 --> 00:50:00.849
the lessons but um well i.
1113
00:50:00.750 --> 00:50:03.210
Think the top trump is no kids the top trump
1114
00:50:03.230 --> 00:50:04.150
is no kids what.
1115
00:50:03.989 --> 00:50:06.469
I would say though it's top trump's no kids but
1116
00:50:06.590 --> 00:50:08.809
if you're not working or whatever or you're being made
1117
00:50:08.849 --> 00:50:11.869
redundant on furlough the days are long do you know
1118
00:50:11.889 --> 00:50:12.989
what i mean yeah.
1119
00:50:12.869 --> 00:50:14.929
Yeah rob it must be awful having really long days
1120
00:50:14.949 --> 00:50:17.079
with just your hobbies to do that must be fucking
1121
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:23.099
terrible just long days stretching into oh maybe I'll cook
1122
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:25.860
maybe I'll do earlier on I had to decide between
1123
00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:30.340
exercise or a shower that was my option.
1124
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:32.280
I know and I've actually I've actually got my eldest
1125
00:50:32.300 --> 00:50:34.750
with me now because Lou's had to go to the
1126
00:50:34.769 --> 00:50:36.610
doctor do you want to come and say hello quickly
1127
00:50:36.929 --> 00:50:38.809
on the podcast come here come and say hello to
1128
00:50:38.829 --> 00:50:42.190
Josh hello come and sit up here let you just
1129
00:50:42.210 --> 00:50:43.889
say hello and take why don't you say thanks for
1130
00:50:43.929 --> 00:50:48.980
listening and you can finish it say hello hello Here
1131
00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:50.079
you go. You can say hello to Josh.
1132
00:50:50.139 --> 00:50:50.539
Hello.
1133
00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:51.440
How are you?
1134
00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:54.300
And if you say thank you for listening. Thank you.
1135
00:50:55.010 --> 00:50:58.050
For listening. No? You've gone shy?
1136
00:50:58.230 --> 00:50:58.369
Yeah.
1137
00:50:59.929 --> 00:51:02.510
Yeah. Right, I'll be out in a minute. One second. Right,
1138
00:51:02.530 --> 00:51:03.550
we're going to have to go now, Josh.
1139
00:51:03.610 --> 00:51:06.409
No, no. I understand. I don't feel it. I think
1140
00:51:06.449 --> 00:51:08.030
it would be unprofessional for me to say we need
1141
00:51:08.050 --> 00:51:10.210
to talk about Sean Locke for ten more minutes when
1142
00:51:10.230 --> 00:51:13.750
you're looking after your child. Thank you, everyone, for listening.
1143
00:51:14.670 --> 00:51:15.650
See you next time.
1144
00:51:15.710 --> 00:51:16.309
See you on Tuesday.
1145
00:51:16.650 --> 00:51:17.269
Right, bye.
1146
00:51:17.309 --> 00:51:18.070
Cheers, bye.
1147
00:51:18.090 --> 00:51:18.159
Bye.