Cosmic Simulation Proven with Ancient Texts with Peter Canova

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Now let's dive in to today's episode. I like to
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welcome to the show, Peter Canova.
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How you doing, Peter, Good to see Alex.
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Good to see you too, my friend. Thank you so
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much for coming on the show. We're gonna have an
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exciting talk today about one of my favorite subjects, which
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is multiverse theory, ancient civilizations, ancient history, spirituality, all of
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it kind of connecting together. So my first question to
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you is, how does the multiverse theory align with the
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ancient spiritual views of reality?
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AI aligns really well. In fact, I'd go so far
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as to say that ancient spiritual traditions, particularly the Gnostic
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spiritual traditions that I concentrate in, really read like a
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textbook for quantum physics and the creation of parallel universes.
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If you read the Gnostic texts, it describes a process
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whereby different levels of consciousness are projected outward. In these
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levels of consciousness essentially are dimensions. There's separate dimensions of
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existence vibrating at different frequencies. So this was described pretty
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thoroughly in the Gnostic texts, and it really really fits
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very well.
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So can you kind of dig in a little deeper
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into this, into what the Gnostic texts are talking about reality?
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Because I know that about the Gnostic text but I'm
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not very well versed in it. So can you explain
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it to the audience a little bit?
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Sure? Well, first of all, maybe I should just explain
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who the Gnostics were, just to put everybody in the
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same picture. Gnostics were a both a pagan and a
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Judeo Christian mystical group. They predated Christianity, but when Jesus
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started his mission in Palestine, they became amongst the first
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Christians because they saw that he was teaching essentially a
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Gnostic message. And the Gnostic creation story really is about
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the fall of consciousness or spirit energy from a state
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of oneness into a state of multiplicity. And that multiplicity
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is really equal to the multiverse that we're talking about,
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because essentially what they said was that the one consciousness
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projected itself out into other points of consciousness, which you
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can call spiritual beings. You know, somewhat analogous to the
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Christian idea angels or archangels or whatever you know, separate,
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separate centers of intelligence in effect, and that each of
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these vibrated at a particular level and formed different sphere
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or dimension of existence. So essentially, what they were describing
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in non technical terms was the whole idea of a multiverse,
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of a layer of parallel universes that led really right
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on down to the physical dimension in which we believe
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to be our reality.
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So when you're saying parallel realities, are these this, We're
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going to go down some rabbit hole. Here's Peter. So
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from what I understand that, I've spoken to some spiritual
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masters that say that every thought or every major decision,
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let's say, not every thought, not like you know, a
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cup of coffee or not cup of coffee, any major
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decision splits you off into another. There's another version of
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you going off to see how that finishes off, Like
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did I take that job in New York? Or did
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I not take that job in New York? Did I
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date Susie? Did I date Susie? That kind of thing,
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and those kind of parallel realities are going off. Is
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this what they're talking about? Or is it more there
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are just a set level of like the there's ten,
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for lack of a better number, there's ten parallel realities
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to our current reality.
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Is that?
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Which one is it? Do you think?
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Yeah? Well, the first thing that you mentioned is really
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called the many world's theory, and that is a theory
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in quantum physics as well. And the Gnostics describe more
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of the latter one, you know, a not necessarily, I
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don't know if I describe it as fixed, I would
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say that it is more like that. But there's many,
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many of these parallel dimensions of you know, of existence.
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There's a multiplicity of them out there. They some Gnostic texts, Yes,
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you mentioned the number ten or eleven. They did mention that,
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which coincidentally is what quantum string theory says that there
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are ten or eleven major dimensions of existence. So, you know,
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neither quantum physics nor any of the ancient spiritual texts
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I can find are very precise in terms of saying,
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you know, what the numbers are. I think I think
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what they really concentrate on is the fact that what
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they're trying to say is, look, the reality that we
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perceive is not the only reality in fact, it may
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be the bottom rung of the ladder that there are
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many unseen dimensions of consciousness and intelligent energy that exist
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prior to us. And I think that's the major point
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that they're trying to convey, rather than you know, try
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and say, well this five thousand of these, or there's
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two thousand of these, you know, and so forth.
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So then would the concept of the ascended masters, which
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are like the Jesus, the Buddhas, the Joganandos of the
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world that walked once on Earth and ascended to a
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higher state of consciousness while on this, this, this and
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this reality. From spiritual texts like the Vedic texts and
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things like that, it's said that they are they rise
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beyond multiple layers, and they're still learning at other layers.
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So in other words, they might be God like here,
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but they are still going like on level six they're
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just starting, or a level set of reality dimension seven,
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they're just starting. Is that something that you've had any
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interaction with in your research?
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Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, I've run across that. That's
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not really what the gnostic techs say, but I am
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familiar with with that. You have to remember also, just
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as there are you know, various views in quantum physics,
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there's quite a variation, and you know, terms of spiritual traditions, Okay,
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generally speaking, they all point toward the same thing, but
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how you get from you know, A to Z is
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quite different in each of the spiritual traditions. So, yes,
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I am familiar with what you with what you just described.
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I think that there is no question that what it
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all boils down to is this. We started from one
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source consciousness. There that source consciousness fell in a series
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of limitations. And what do I mean by limitations? What
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I mean is delusions of consciousness. So, for instance, you
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have to have limited or dilution of consciousness in order
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to experience individual existence. Why well, simply because if you
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weren't differentiated from the source consciousness, you'd be the source consciousness,
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you'd be reabsorbed under the source consciousness, you'd be part
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of the everything. So that somehow the everything has to
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fool itself into thinking it's something. And the way it
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does that is by projecting limited portions of its consciousness
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out to create these different spiritual centers, to create these
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different parallel dimensions. So what it really is all about
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is limitation now taking that into consideration, by the time
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you get down to where we are, which I think
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is pretty low in the total poll, By the time
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you get down to where we are, you're talking about
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a lot of limitation of consciousness. So you know clearly
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what these masters are doing, or what anybody who's seeking
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enlightenment is doing, is increasing their rate of frequency, increasing
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their rate of consciousness in order to work their way
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back up the life are, you know, essentially acquire more awares,
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acquire more consciousness and therefore raise themselves or you described
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to begin that process of reascending.
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So would the stories of the yogis, let's say, the
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ancient yogis that we're able to do let's say, quote
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unquote magical things like levitation or biolocation or things like that,
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even within the last one hundred two hundred years. Their
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yogis that walk the earth, even currently we're working on
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the earth through our quote unquote enlightened beings. Is that
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what they were doing in a sense of like raising
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their vibration to the point where, for lack of a
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better word, they're neo and they're starting to see the
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code of the matrix, and they're learning how to manipulate
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it in ways that we just can't comprehend, so it
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looks magical to us.
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Yeah, I think that's a pretty accurate description. I mean,
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when you have these these type of phenomena, non ordinary phenomenon,
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I mean, to the extent that they're being expressed by
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these individuals, it means that they're they penetry beyond the
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illusion of the fact that we're material, because we're not material.
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What we are. What we are is a mixture of
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we are energy that has convinced itself that it is
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solid three D matter. Okay, and that's not just a
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spiritual statement, that's a quantum fact. I mean, we all know.
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I think all your listeners probably know enough to understand
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that what we view as solid three D objects, including
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our bodies, are actually not solid at all. They're composed
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of subatomic particles with vast quantities of space between them,
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and that are composed of light, energy and quantum. Physicists
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know at the very basis of reality there is no
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such thing as matter. All there is is a wave
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of quantum potential, a wave of energy. So energy is
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primary and matter descends from energy. Matter essentially is coagulated energy.
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It's energy that has slowed in vibration.
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So consequently, you look at something as simple as Einstein's
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equals and e equals mc square, the famous equation. What
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that equation is telling you that matter comes from energy.
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Energy and matter are interchangeable, and that's the basis of
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the atomic bomb. The atomic bomb is releasing that captive
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energy and matter and unleashing that tremendous amount of energy
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back into an atomic phenomenon. So yeah, I mean the
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gurus or the Yogi's or whatever you talked about that
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experience these that are able to manifest these phenomena. Yeah,
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they would have achieved a level of awareness that essentially
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has transcended them above the illusion of the fact that
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we are physical beings and they're able to manipulate energies
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at a higher level.
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I love that I've never heard you a head brought
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to that level because the concept of we're all energy,
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and you know, there a top level where there is
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mass amounts of space. But I love when you said
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that it's energy that has slowed down and coagulated to
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believe that it's solid that actually makes a tremendous amount
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of sense to me, because the higher the vibration, I guess,
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the less coagulated it is in many ways, which then
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goes along with what these these ancient stories of Yogi's
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or even Jesus's miracles in the Bible, and what he
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was doing. He was doing very Yogic things back then,
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these miracles because he was probably again he was the
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Neo and was seeing beyond behind the code, if it will.
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Well, one of the most astonishing things that I chronic
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or I talk about in my new book Quantum Spirituality,
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is that, you know, I demonstrate very graphically how the
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Gnostic Text predicted almost every major there quantum physics. And
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one of the most striking things that they predict is
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what's called the God particle. Now you may have heard
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of the God particle. It was in I think one
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of Dan Brown's movies. And twenty twelve they finally found
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the little bugger that they've been looking for for fifty years,
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called the Higgs boson. That's called the God particle. And essentially,
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what the Higgs boson does is that when matter enters
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into our universe, and incidentally, scientists don't know what I
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mean I should say when energy enters into our universe,
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scientists do not know what energy is. Okay, No, if
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you ask a scientist what is energy, they're either lying
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to you or they'll just be honest and say, we
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have no idea. They can manipulate it. They know how
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to manipulate it for certain purposes under limited circumstances, but
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they don't know where it comes from, and they really
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don't know what it is. Energy comes into our universe
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at a high rate of frequency. And what happens is
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that our universe is surrounded by a blanket and effect
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called the Higgs field, and the Higgs field contains these
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they're kind of almost like virtual particles Higgs bosons, and
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the Higgs bosons attach themselves to these high streams of
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energy and they begin to slow them down. So think
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of like, for instance, you take a gun and you
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start shooting it into a swimming pool. Okay, the water
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from the swimming pool slows the velocity of the bullet
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as opposed to the bullet traveling through just plain air.
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So the Higgs boson essentially acts in the same way.
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where they start to take on mass, they start to
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take on the characteristics of mass or matter. This is
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now pretty much scientific fact. So the Gnostics describe this
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exact process as of their One of these high Gnostic beings,
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basically an aspect of God or an aspect of the Source,
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falls into a dimension called chaos, which is really chaos
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is part of quantum physics too. It's chaos is basically
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unformed potential. It's potential, you know, in the it's in potentiality.
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It hasn't actually coalesced into an object yet, okay, but
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it's an object in potential. So this figure falls into chaos,
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and it's a high energy figure, and it's surrounded by
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what the text called proto matter, which is astonishing because
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that's like another word for virtual particles. So these virtual
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particles and potential swarmed around this high energy being and
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lowered her frequency. She starts crying out to Heaven, I'm
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becoming mass, I'm becoming matter. I'm becoming is led save me,
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how this interaction with that high energy stream slowed down
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by these virtual particles, leads to the formation of matter.
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It's like astonishing. It's an exact description of the God particle.
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So if we're all in agreement that we're all energy
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and really we should be able to just walk through
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walls or walk through anything, because there's really no matter
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quote unquote on a subatonic level. What is the organizing
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factor that makes Peter Peter and Alex Alex? What is
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the intelligence that is holding all of these protons and
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neutrons and electrons together to form this this these beings
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that are Peter and Alex.
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Okay, well, there's there's a short answer and there's a
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long answer to that. The short answer is that we
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are part of this stream of consciousness that descended from
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this one source. So if you take a look at
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the typical Judeo Christian version of creation, essentially it pictures
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human beings as these separate creations that were made out
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of the dust of the earth, and you know, we're
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kind of like these little wind up dolls that were
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placed down here, and oh, by the way, we sinned
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against God and pissed him off, and now we're forever
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trying to get back in as good graces, you know,
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kind of like here. So here's the difference. Pinocchio was
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a creation of Geepeto. Geppetto was the maker, Okioa was
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the thing that was made. That's the Judeo Christian version.
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But in the Gnostic and the mystical version, and this
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goes back to the Hindus also, that's not the way
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it was. We are actually emanations. That word emanation means
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a projection of an essence. It is of the same
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essence projected outward. Okay, so we are part of this
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conscious energy stream that was projected from the source itself.
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Now we get back into why do you perceive yourself
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as you or me? And why we perceive a world
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around us. It's because of this limitation I spoke about.
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we are vastly limited parts of that source consciousness. So
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we don't perceive ourselves. We've forgotten ourselves as part of
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that source in effect, and we think of ourselves as
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these separate creations. And another analogy. You know, this always
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gets into very dense stuff, So I always try and
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give people an analogy to help them understand. Think of
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a pure stream up in the mountains, a pure lake
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up in the mountains. You know, it's absolutely pristine, but
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it flows down the side of the mountain like a waterfall. Okay. Now,
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as it flows down the mountain, it starts to pick
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up dirt and contaminants and it gets down the bottom
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and it gets really muddy. But it's all part of
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the same stream. Okay. So the source itself is unlimited,
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but the stream itself picks up all kinds of pollutants
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and bad ideas and limitations and manifest is something that
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looks something different down at the bottom of the Mountain's
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that's what we are where the stuff at.
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The bottom doesn't stuff very appetizing.
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Sorry, we're bottom feeder. It's what can I tell you?
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So we talked a little bit about the many world's theory.
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Can you describe or does the many worlds theory reflect
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ancient ideas of alternate realities?
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You know, the many the many worlds theory? Again, you
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know you did accurately describe it in the sense that
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you know, for everything we do, every decision we make
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on alternate reality is created. Really, I have not run
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into any ancient spiritual traditions that describe that at all.
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That that's more. That's really more of a one of
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several competing theories and quantum you know, and quantum physics
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along with string theory and other other kinds of theories
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of multiverse and parallel universes. But I mean strictly speaking, no,
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I mean in terms of ancient spiritual tecks. I've really
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not run into anything that is described like that.
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this dimension that we live in currently, we have to
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deal with time and space, where quantum physics is starting
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to throw that a little bit. With quantum entanglement, time
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and space is starting to not be real anymore. So
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my question to you is, after speaking to so many
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people who've had I've had a lot of near death
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experiences on I've had quantum physicists on talking about the
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concept of reincarnation as a soul, and we're going a
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little bit more spiritual here, but it kind of goes
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I'll go back to the it'll get back to quantum
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physics in a second. The idea that there is no
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past life and there is no future life, that all
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lives are happening at the exact same time because there
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is no time or space on the other side, Is
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there anything in quantum physics that kind of can make
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sense of all of that at the exact same time,
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or have you heard of anything in your research. Absolutely,
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we'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
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and now back to the show.
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Yeah, I mean I think you're right. I mean, at
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the most fundamental level of reality, there is no such
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thing as space or time is There only is is,
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There's only consciousness, undifferentiated consciousness. The concept of space and
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time is again a function of the limitation. This is
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why I keep mentioning the word limitation, because it's apparent
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what we what we view as reality is an apparent reality.
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It's what it seems like reality to us. Okay, now
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you mentioned the matrix, you mentioned neo, so strong indications
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are that essentially we're living in a holographic projection. Okay.
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And the the thing about a hologram is you can
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slice and dice a hologram up into any kind of
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parts you want, but each little piece of that hologram
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contains the image of the hole. So, going back to
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quantum maintangment, how do you explain quantum maintaglement? What that
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is is like particles that are the essentially like hundreds
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of thousands or millions of light years apart can instantly
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communicate with one another. So you know, like, if there's
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an Alex on Mars and one here on Earth, and
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I pinched the one on Earth and one on Mars
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go's outs at the exact same moment, how does that happen?
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I mean, you guys aren't connected by strings or a
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fiber optics or anything else. He communicate, so it's happening
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at an energetic level, right, So essentially what they started
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developing this holographic universe that you're saying, You know what,
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maybe the way to explain this is that everything really
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is part of one hole and it's all happening at
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the same time time. The only thing is we're only
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perceiving one part, a one half, a one little piece
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of the equation. We're not seeing the whole picture. So
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if we saw the whole picture, we would probably be
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transcending time in space. And yet we're stuck in our
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little perceptive corner, not seeing the entire hologram, but just
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seeing seeing our little portion of the whole ground. I mean,
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you cited the Hindu tradition a couple of times. Now
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you probably know the story of the elephant right in
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the the blind Yes.
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Of course, yeah, yeah, yah, of course.
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They're all seeing the.
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Part of the whole right there are Yeah, exactly, So
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each of them feels a part of the elephant. That's
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the that's their reality that they're describing. You know, what
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they think is the reality. They're not seeing the whole elephant.
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So I think there's your answer right there. I always
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thought that was a beautiful analogy to explain.
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It with a up question. So this cosmic, this cosmic
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hologram that we're talking about here, I mean that is
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Maya in basically what the Hindus we're talking about seven
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thousand years ago. Is that fair?
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Yes?
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So then in ancient in other ancient wisdom that you've
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been able to see, or ancient civilizations, what other civilizations
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had these ideas of the great Illusion? I mean the
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two that I come up to mind always the Hindus
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with Maya and the Aborigine with the Great Dream. Do
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you have any other examples of that? The kind of
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really bring it home to people that this concept of
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a callographic, non real world that we live in is
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not just from nineteen ninety nine when the matrix came out.
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It's been around for quite some time.
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Yeah, I mean almost almost all the almost all the
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major religions. I mean, Gnosticism is a confluence of the
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Kabbalah of Persians, the Rostrianism of Hellenistic philosophy. It's really
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a combination of all those dreams and all those traditions
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describe some kind of process of oneness breaking itself up
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or limiting, limiting itself, descending down the ladder into multiplicity.
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And the multiplicity is duality or multiplicity is where the
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illusion arises because it all stems from one. I mean,
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you know, look, a lot of people think that Hinduism
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is a polytheistic religion. At its heart, it's not. It's
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mono theistic. And it's hard because there's one God, there
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is one entity, but it expresses itself in multiple forms. Okay,
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So I mean even you know, you have that in Christianity,
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where you know, it's the trinitarian Christianity. Now, Judaism on
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the surface has been more staunchly mono theistic, but that's
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an illusion too because if you look at the Kabbalah,
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which is the mystical tradition of Judaism, stemming back thousands
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of years. It's almost saying it's almost exactly the same
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as the Gnostics. It's they describe that, you know, reality
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as a contraction of the one mind, you know, producing
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these various you know, limitations and appearances of multiplicity, but
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it all boils down to one. It's all a matter
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of appearance. And that's where the maya or the illusion
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comes in.
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Is there any way that quantum physics and ancient wisdom
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kind of intersect when trying to understand consciousness?
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There is? Well, First of all, I have to say
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that for a long long time now, science has done
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their best to avoid the idea of consciousness. In fact, today,
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if you talk about consciousness and scientific circles, it's called
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the hard problem. That's how that's that's this common jargon
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to describe consciousness. That's called the hard problem. And it's
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called that for a reason because they can't explain it,
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and actually it really runs counter to scientific materialism. So
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we have to make a distinction in science because there's
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been a traditional science, just like there was traditional religion. Okay,
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there has been a traditional orthodox version of science, the
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religion that scientists so criticize. It's it's it. I get
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a kick out of this because there's a scientific orthodoxy
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that is every bit as dogmatic as the Catholic Church, Okay,
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and that that that's that scientific orthodoxy essentially tries to
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say that consciousness is the result of a physical process
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that somehow inorganic matter became organic, and they never describe
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how that happens. Uh. And then uh, you know, you
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have these single cell organisms that were crashing into one
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another and eventually combining into more complex forms and evolving,
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you know, and you know, leading to higher animal higher
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forms of animal life and eventually while a lot of
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consciousness happens. It's a ridiculous explanation. I mean, it's it's
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just it's so patently unscientific, and that's the way they
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tried to, you know, brush off the whole idea. Now
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there is a growing minority, but it's it's it's a
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current that is really happening in science now to understand
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that rather than a bottom up process that happened in
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a material basis, it's consciousness that came first, and that
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material the materiality is a result of consciousness starting from
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the top and working way down, working its way down
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to the bottom. So that that really makes a lot
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more sense from so many different points of view to
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view consciousness as primary over matter rather than matter creating consciousness.
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And there are a number of different theories, but all
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kind of pointing towards the same thing that are really
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being picked up and have been kind of stirring for
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decades now in science. Some of them are called panpsychism,
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which is the idea that consciousness is present in every
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single thing. It's only a matter of degree. So there's
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you know, the difference between us and a rock is
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a matter of degree of consciousness. There is a growing
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i think understanding that you get rid of so many
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paradoxes and unexplained phenomena that happened on a quantum and
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scientific basis when you start off with consciousness as your
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premise and then work your way down. So there is
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an interesting clash going on between traditional science and a
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burgeoning new view of consciousness, and it's going to be
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playing itself out you certainly from this point on.
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Why do you think that at this point in human history,
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to our knowledge at least, this awareness is starting to
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creep in, and not just in science and quantum physics,
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but these kinds of conversations are happening more and more
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in today's world than it would have one hundred years ago.
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Mind you, we understand the Internet, and there's a lot
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more easy it's all easier to get information. But why
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do you believe that there's this kind of awakening to
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a lot of these concepts and ideas.
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Well, in my mind, it's very simple reason. It's because
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prior to nineteen hundred, we had no understanding quantum physics.
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I mean, you know, you go back to some of
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the classical thinkers and classical philosophers. I mean, it's incredible
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to me that the Greeks had a concept of atoms
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thousands of years ago. The Greeks were brilliant, but by
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and large is science. Up until nineteen hundred, when Mock's
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Plank first started, the German physicists first started exploring the
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quantum world, there really wasn't a great understanding of the
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fact that we're composed of light energy. So all these
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discoveries in quantum physics now, and remember this, by and large,
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people have been living with different religious traditions, less so
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than spiritual traditions. The difference between religion and spirituality is
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that religion basically is think of it as a box
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and they say, we have all the answers in this box, right,
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and those boxers are usually full of dogmas and things. Spirituality,
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on other hand, is an open ended process where people
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can go in and they can, you know, have these
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spiritual understandings, but then they understand, you know, I want
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to move on to the next level. So so spirituality
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is more of a growth process. Religion is more of
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a stagnant process. But they still have had their concepts
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of things like the afterlife and the soul and so
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forth and so on.
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We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
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and now back to the show.
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But honestly, you you you've had people, the vast majority
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of people have had to take both religion and spiritualisdom
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on faith. Now, faith is something that you get secondhand
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from somebody else, so you can believe it or not
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believe it, right, and faith can also be very much
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manipulated because there's people with agendas out there and they
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use faith, you know.
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To stop it. Stop it, Peter, stop it. I can't
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believe you.
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Sorry to surprise you, Sorry to pop that on you,
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but you know faith, faith, and you know faith has
535
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its place, but it also has its drawbacks. Okay, what
536
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supersedes faith. The thing that supersedes faith is experiential knowledge. Now,
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what I mean by experiential knowledge is not stuff that
538
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you read in a book that's factual or wrote knowledge,
539
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and that has its place, too, But experiential knowledge is like, Okay,
540
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so I tell you that fire burns. Okay, now you
541
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can take that on faith, but you don't know for
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sure until you stick your hand in the fire. Once
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you stick your hand in the fire, you own that
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experience and then you know it to be a reality.
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So I think that most people have had to take
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things on faith. And it's like, yeah, I think so,
547
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but I don't know. That's what they tell me. And
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in all honesty, when you read spiritual texts or you
549
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read the Bible or any other religious scripture, you know
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you really have to take these things on faith, whether
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or not there's really something there. But I think what
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happened was with the rise of quantum physics from nineteen
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hundred on the rational part of people's minds, the left
554
00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:07.200
brains of people's minds, was being assaulted with new information.
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And that new information, as we've discussed today, started to
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support some of the things that these ancient traditions have
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said that, Hey, there ain't no such thing as a
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solid world in all reality, it's just the perception of one.
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You know, what we view as the solid world is
560
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really kind of like a disturbance or blip in the
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in the in the quantum energy field from which everything
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or everything arises. Yes, it's our limitations that prevent us
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from experiencing that, but people have experienced I've experienced it, okay.
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I mean, the reason why I'm an international businessman, the
565
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reason why I got into this, and the reason why
566
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I'm on your show, is because I had a series
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of vivid experiences that changed the course of my life. Now,
568
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in my case, they were spontaneous. Sometimes if you're lucky people,
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that happens to certain people. Most of the times, people
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have to arrive at these understandings through a more you know,
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a course of study, experimentation, meditation, and everything else, and
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then they start to have those experiences with extraordinary consciousness
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that lead them to understand, Hey, there's more to life
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than what I think there is. There really is something
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else out there. There's other forces out there that are
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at play here that affect this world. You can take
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that as an intellectual proposition, but again, once you get
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to the point where you've actually experienced these things and
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then you own it and you know it to be real.
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I know this stuff to be real and my gut
581
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because I can cite you multiple instances of why I
582
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think that's real because of what I've been through. But
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everybody has to get to that place through a different door.
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And I do think that the development of quantum physics
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now gives us a scientific or kind of left brain
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approach to understandings of what we've had to take on
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faith for thousands of years. So I think it's that
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moment in nineteen hundred that started to shift things.
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What were If you don't mind me asking would you
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like to share some of those spiritual experiences that you have.
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It, well, yeah, I don't mind. I mean it all
592
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started off when I was in my twenties and I
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found out that I was a medical intuitive, and I
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was I went to a group that at that time
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taught something called ESP, which has kind of fallen out
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of the lexicon nowadays extrasensory perception, but that's what it
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was called back then. And you know, I was sitting
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opposite somebody in a chair and just talking like I'm
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talking to you, and and they they were able to.
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This group had a collection of index cards where the
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people who had been through this course, and there were
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quite a few back then. I had to bring in
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the name of an individual with either a medical, psychological
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problem or whatever, and they would have the information on
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this card. So one person would have the card and
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the other person would essentially try and give the reading
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what was going on. So it was pretty controlled because
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the person who had the car was not allowed to
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lead you on in any way, and any response that
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you gave, if it was incorrect, they didn't want to
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discourage you by saying, hell, no, you really miss that one.
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They would just simply say I don't have that information here.
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But if you hit on something, they were able to say, yes,
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I have that information, like what else can you tell me?
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So the very first case that I got was a
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gentleman who actually happened to be living in Miami Beach
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where I am now, and he was seventy four years old,
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and they just gave me his name agent address. And
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the very first thing that I was attracted to was
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the area of his heart and it looked to me
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like his heart was tilted at a funny angle, causing
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the a order to be pinched. And I said, I
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told them that. They said, well, what does that mean
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to you? And I said, what it means to me
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is a blockages in the order. And they said that's correct.
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They said, what else can you tell us? And I said, well,
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I feel something like metallic in the bottom quadrant of
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his heart. I think he had a pacemaker installed. And
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they said, that's correct. Can you tell us what year
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the pacemaker was installed? So I see in my mind,
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I see the hands of a clock spinning wildly. But
632
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then they stopped dead at ten o'clock, which indicated to
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me ten years prior. And so I stated, you know,
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ten years prior, and that was correct. So once I,
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once I got over the rational kickback of what I
636
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was doing, and I was just able to let it
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go and experience it, it opened up just a whole slew
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phenomena that I would experience remote viewing, clairvoyance, claire audience premonitions.
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You know, I actually used this to save my life
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in Africa one time. I was actually working in Nigeria
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in the nineteen seventies and it could be a pretty
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dangerous place over there, and there wasn't very good transportation,
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and we had to go from one city down south
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up north. It was about an eight hour nine hour
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trip through the jungles because the airplanes weren't working day,
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which was pretty frequent, And we were just about to
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get into one of these transports that you know, carried
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you know, probably another half a dozen people. And the
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guy I was with, I felt something very strong and
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I saw I don't want to get in here, and
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he said, well, you know what, we got to be
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up here, we have an appointment. I said, I don't care.
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There's something wrong, and he thought I was crazy, but
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I was crazy enough to prevail upon him and I
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you know, and you know he didn't, he didn't get
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in what we found out the next day that that
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same transport was attacked by brigands in the jungle and
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a couple of passengers were killed. So I but I
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had I had things like this, you know. I mean,
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I don't I don't want to sit here and give
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a recital of this, but these are the kind of
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things that I was happening. So what was happening? I mean,
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I was obviously communicating, you know, with some higher form
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of energy.
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And so then when you started to understand this about yourself,
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how did you deal with it on a psychological standpoint?
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I mean, this is not this is not normal this. Yeah,
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I was going to say this is not normal talk
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back then. Even it's not normal talk now, but it's
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a little bit more understood and more mainstream now than
671
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it was back when you were having When it was
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happening to you, I.
673
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Had a very very difficult time for a while because
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I became like a psychic sponge. I literally would know
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conversations almost word for word ten minutes before they were
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going to happen. You know, I was on an airplane
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and I had a stack of probably one two hundred
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pages of documents, and I got off the airplane and
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I had a flash in my mind at pages ten
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and eleven were missing somehow, And I went back on
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the plane and sure enough, ten and eleven and fall
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underneath the seat. So, you know, it wasn't a good
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thing because I didn't want to be in people's heads.
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I didn't want to invade their thoughts. But if somebody
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shook my hand, I know all kinds of things about them,
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the things that I didn't necessarily want to know, and
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it was really difficult and I had physical issues over it,
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and I actually went to London to the British Spiritualist
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Association in Belgravia Square to try and get some advice
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and some help at that time. So for a while
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I just kind of fled it, you know, and then
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later on I kind of came back. I didn't really
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want to be in that level of knowing. It was
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too much. It was like a having a spigot turned
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on and the water just gushing out, and I didn't
696
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want it to be like that. But I will say so,
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you know, I decided to write books to describe these
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experiences in order to help other people have an understanding
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of these things. And I wrote a trilogy which became
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a twenty five time award winning trilogy, and the first
701
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book of that trilogy is about an African nun who
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becomes the first female pope at a time when American
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iron Or going into a nuclear war. Well, at times
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I felt that that book I didn't even write that book.
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I felt it was written for me. And Old Times
706
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Magazine ended up doing an article on all the geopolitical
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predictions that came true in the book, and they were
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you know, a dozen that you know, you know, predicted
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an irongoing nuclear or the Second Gulf War, the fact
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that there would be a third world pope that was
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an Italian, that would come from the Third World, and
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Francis was the first one, and that he would take
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that that that pope would take a name that wasn't
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a typical papal name, and that was the first time
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to that all all these things were predicted in Pope Analysa.
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We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
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and now back to the show.
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So you know, I still use it, and I still
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use it in my writings and I get information. But
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that's good that I'm kind I feel a little bit
721
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more in control of that. I no longer want to
722
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be at the point where I shake your hand and
723
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I know your whole history.
724
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So it sounds like if I'm going to use the
725
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analogy of the water that you did before with consciousness,
726
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it seems like, well, we're incarnated, We're thrown from consciousness,
727
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pure consciousness, into the material space, and depending on where
728
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we are, where we have evolved to depends on the
729
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level of how deep we go. Some people always go
730
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all the way down to the bottom of the floor
731
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with the pressure, and that it's really hard to move
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the vibrations extremely low, let's say, down there. And then
733
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as you start to evolve spiritually and start understanding more
734
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and more of how the game is played, what the
735
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rules are, you start evolving. Hence the Yogis or Jesus
736
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or these ascended masters start to going up to the
737
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point where you finally can break through the water again
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in an incarnation and understand, ah, I see everything. Is
739
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that a fair analogy of what our soul is kind
740
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of going through?
741
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Well, you know, I believe it's probably true that souls
742
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come in at different levels of consciousness, coming to the
743
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earth at different levels of consciousness. So maybe that's why
744
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some people, you know, have spontaneous experiences like I had,
745
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and for other people, you know, it's more more of
746
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a difficult process. I mean, that would make logical sense,
747
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just to account for the you know, the account for things. However, however,
748
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the good news is that everybody can assent. Everybody has
749
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that ability to trace their consciousness back towards the source
750
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consciousness and you know, achieve potentialities that you know, we
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would say are remarkable for turning around you know, people's
752
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people's lives and the factors that are involved there. You know,
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besides let's say level of soul awareness, of soul growth
754
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that you reincarnate with. You know, the factors that evolve
755
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:45.960
there have a lot to do with things like your desire,
756
00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:50.119
your motivation, your ability to be open minded to use
757
00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:54.360
visualization to you know, there's a in the book Quantum
758
00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:58.920
Spirituality I write about, you know, the factors of meditation
759
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and that help the people to propel them to have
760
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these kind of extraordinary experiences. And there are different factors
761
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:09.079
you know, that can be played with that can accelerate
762
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people's growth.
763
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Now, so when you were explaining what happened to you,
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it sounds like almost that you were when you came
765
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in in our incarnation. You were at a higher level,
766
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but were unaware that you were at a higher level,
767
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unlike someone who was training and going up and evolving
768
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and understanding slowly these abilities coming to them. These were
769
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thrust upon you and you weren't prepared for them, which
770
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probably was part of your evolution as a soul to
771
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deal with it in this lifetime. Is that a fair statement.
772
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I think it could be a fair statement. Yeah.
773
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Yeah. So that's how because I've talked to so many
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different people who've had these extra sensory perceptions, whether it's
775
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a psychic medium or a channel or even your death experiences.
776
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Some of them it's a smooth transition. Other ones are like,
777
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I feel like I'm going crazy because I hear voices.
778
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So it's just different levels of ability. But some are
779
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just aware of those abilities and can control them so
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much easier, and other ones it's just kind of thrust upon.
781
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It'd be the equivalent of me, all of a sudden
782
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being being able to be Michael Jordan and well even better. Yet,
783
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if I was given a billion dollars tomorrow, I don't
784
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know how I would deal with that because I'm not
785
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prepared intellectually, maybe emotionally, maybe spiritually on what that kind
786
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of responsibility and energy coming towards me in a life
787
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I would be able to deal with. Where you give
788
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that to Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos, that's just a
789
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Saturday morning for them.
790
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Yeah. I mean there was a time when I was
791
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younger where I felt I had one foot more in
792
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another world than this one. I was starting to lose
793
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my perception of myself as being part of this world,
794
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and I was like floating off into the wherever. Yeah,
795
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and I felt very detached from from, you know, from
796
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this world if I I'm often wondered if I had
797
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died at that time, I might not have even noticed it.
798
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And I tried. It got to a point where its
799
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too very difficult to operate. Uh. And I think that
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the whole trick to this thing is you have to
801
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operate within the material world. I mean I never subscribed
802
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to that as set ascetic asthetic, not aesthetic but a
803
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s c e. T. I see, you know, the monastic
804
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kind of existence where you just go off in a
805
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cave and you know, you meditate. So I mean, to me,
806
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the whole idea is you take that consciousness, but you
807
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use it within this world. You use it for something,
808
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you use it within this world. So I never really
809
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understood that kind of you know, monastic thing, at least
810
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not for any great period of time. Because to me,
811
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you know, I feel that human beings are the fingers
812
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of God touching the face of this world, and that
813
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our task is to spiritualize the material and bring the
814
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experience of the material back to spirit. It's like a
815
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two way communication. You know what, Higher consciousness gets the
816
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experience that it couldn't have of being in physical form
817
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through us. But by the same token we when we
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become more enlightened, we can handle this world in a
819
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more spiritual way and raise the vibration of this world.
820
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So human beings are actually a very important bridge between
821
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consciousness and matter, and that's a much more exalted position
822
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than what Judeo Christianity has left us with as a
823
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human beings. Is these kind of lowly you know, separate
824
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pinocchios running around here trying to get back in God's
825
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good grace.
826
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Well, I mean it was just what Jesus said. I mean,
827
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everything I could do, you could do in more the
828
00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:48.239
Kingdom of Heaven is within you. But these have been
829
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all bastardized by the powers that be for control purposes,
830
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to control the public. Because if I tell you that, like, oh,
831
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you have all the power to talk to God, well
832
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why do you need me?
833
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So you see what you just described. What you just
834
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described was gnosticism and the fall of gnosticism. The original
835
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mystical Christian message was just as you described it, and
836
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it was bastardized there were two streams of Christianity. Okay,
837
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there was the inner mystical Church, and then there was
838
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the outer church, the Church of the Platitudes, the Beatitudes,
839
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the mass consumption church. And we know that for a fact,
840
00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:27.440
that's not speculation because in the Bible it says that
841
00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:30.239
unto the disciples he gave the keys to the Kingdom
842
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:33.079
of Heaven, but unto those without he spoken parables. And
843
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we have further evidence of that in the writings of
844
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:39.199
the early church fathers, so Clement of Alexandria and Origin,
845
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who were both early Christian bishops of Alexandria, which was
846
00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:44.440
a major Christian center at that time, Alexander, the Greek
847
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city of Alexandria and Egypt, affirmed that Jesus had an
848
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inner mystical teaching that was not taught to the masses
849
00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:53.000
because they would not be most of them wouldn't be
850
00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:55.800
able to understand it. So there was a mystical church
851
00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:58.159
right from the very beginning. And if you read the
852
00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:01.119
Gnostic Gospels, what you're seeing is what the original Jesus
853
00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:07.039
was teaching. Uh. What what happened? What happened, unfortunately, was
854
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:11.559
that just as you said, uh, the outer Church, which
855
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:19.039
had a lesser understanding, started dogmatizing and codifying and you know,
856
00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:22.480
messing around with the mystical teachings, and they twisted it
857
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:24.519
in such a way as to create a hierarchy of
858
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:28.320
power of bishops, of priests, of bishops, and everything else.
859
00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:31.280
Of course, the Gnostics said, well you need that. You know,
860
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:34.320
the Church is not an intercessor between us and God.
861
00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:37.280
We have a direct line of communication if we you know,
862
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:39.440
we're but aware of it, we can have a direct
863
00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:41.480
line of communication. We don't need all the all the
864
00:48:41.559 --> 00:48:46.360
you know, all this whole circumstance. Yeah, and you know,
865
00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:50.280
you interposing yourself between us and God. Of course, that
866
00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:53.440
was a major threat to the developing Orthodox Church, and
867
00:48:53.480 --> 00:48:58.000
eventually they had to eradicate the mystics, so we lost
868
00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:02.880
We could have been as advanced in our spiritual understanding
869
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:05.199
as some Hindu thinking in the West, but we lost
870
00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:09.559
that with the eradication of the Gnostics, and we lost
871
00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:12.559
that with the eradication of our Judaeo Christian mystical tradition.
872
00:49:12.920 --> 00:49:15.360
That's something I've always wondered because in the Hindu tradition,
873
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:18.800
the mystics and the mystical aspects of it has been
874
00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:24.440
around thousands of years and pretty in there. It wasn't
875
00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:28.360
really just a touch too much, but there is I've
876
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:33.320
heard rumors, but I've heard rumblings of the mystic the
877
00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:37.159
mystics in Judaism, you know, the and and also in
878
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:40.760
christian and Christianity, but not as much in Christianity as
879
00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:43.639
it was the mystics in Judaism. But it is something
880
00:49:43.639 --> 00:49:47.480
that is really just kind of stampered down and put
881
00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:50.920
into the back room and not allowed to come up.
882
00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:52.960
But it is there without question.
883
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:55.880
Okay, Okay, So so yeah, you really hit on something here.
884
00:49:55.920 --> 00:50:01.599
So take the three Abrahamic religions, is Christianity, Islam. Okay,
885
00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:07.880
Judaism had the Kabbalah, Christianity had the Gnostics, and Islam
886
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:12.920
had the Sufis. So those three, those three, the Sufis,
887
00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:17.239
the Gnostics, and the Kabbalists were the mystical traditions, the
888
00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:21.239
inner core or mystical traditions of each of their outward religions,
889
00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:23.719
and in fact, they had more in common with one
890
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:27.159
another than they had with their own outward traditions. Okay,
891
00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:33.199
the Sufis, the Gnostics, and the Kabbalists were pretty much
892
00:50:33.199 --> 00:50:35.320
saying the same thing that I've described to you here.
893
00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:38.800
What I described as Nastisism, you know, could easily be
894
00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:45.840
interchangeable with Islamic Sufhism or Judaic Kabbalism.
895
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We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
896
00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:53.360
and now back to the show.
897
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So the Christian tradition, though, was much more suppressed, and
898
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that's why you don't hear as much from them. You know.
899
00:51:04.039 --> 00:51:08.239
Somehow the Kabbalah was able to you know, survive, and
900
00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:12.800
the the Sufis were able to survive into the modern age.
901
00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:16.599
But the Catholic Church did an incredible job with Rollman
902
00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:20.159
efficiency of eradicating the mystical tradition, and that's why you
903
00:51:20.239 --> 00:51:24.440
don't hear as much about it. But the Gnostic Gospels,
904
00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:28.400
there was a big find in nineteen forty five, the
905
00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:31.239
same year that the atomic bomb came into his existence.
906
00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:34.320
And I do not think this is a coincidence that
907
00:51:34.840 --> 00:51:37.800
they found a major case of the Gnostic Gospels, and
908
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:40.440
for the first time we were able to hear the
909
00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:44.480
voices of the Gnostic masters, whereas prior to that primarily
910
00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:46.559
we had to understand the Gnostics through the writings of
911
00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:51.719
their enemies. The church fathers describing them. So, you know, gnosticism,
912
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:57.199
Gnosticism is making its way back into the mainstream. You know,
913
00:51:57.280 --> 00:52:00.360
I'm not the only one who writes about gnosticism. There's
914
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a lot of scholars out there, Elaine Pagel's, Paguel's and
915
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:07.159
Stephen Haller. You know, there's a lot of people out
916
00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:11.599
there that write about gnosticism. In fact, if you google
917
00:52:11.639 --> 00:52:13.280
it or you go to Amazon Books, I'm sure you'll
918
00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:17.599
find scores of books on gnosticism. But the Gnostic wisdom
919
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:20.199
is coming back into the mainstream to our benefit.
920
00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:23.719
And I mean it was the Roman and the Roman
921
00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:26.360
Catholic Church. And by the way, plase forgive me. When
922
00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:28.679
I went to Italy and I went to Vatican City,
923
00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:33.079
at that one moment I realized all my life I
924
00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:34.840
was raised a Roman Catholic. I was like, oh my god.
925
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I never connected Rome with Catholicism. I just never connected
926
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to me, like, oh my God, it was Constantine. It
927
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was a Roman emperor who set all this up and
928
00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:47.159
started in the Council of Nice and all this kind
929
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of stuff and getting rid of a lot of the
930
00:52:49.239 --> 00:52:51.559
Gnostic text and getting rid of all the mystical stuff,
931
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and God forbid, reincarnation is in there, and all that
932
00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:57.360
kind of stuff was pulled out. It is something that
933
00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:00.679
is that information is slowly starting to seep its way
934
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back into the mainstream because of shows like this, because
935
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of the freedom of information that we have now with
936
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the Internet. And I also don't believe that that's an
937
00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:12.440
accident that it's happening at this point.
938
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Yeah, yeah, it's pretty accurate what you described. So essentially,
939
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Constantine saw a way to unify the Roman Empire, which
940
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was fragmenting socially and politically, and he saw the religion
941
00:53:27.320 --> 00:53:28.920
as a tool to do that. And what way to
942
00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:31.920
snap people online better than you know, to religiously, I mean,
943
00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:35.760
you make fanatics out of them. So yeah, that had
944
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a lot to do with it. And the consuls that
945
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happened afterwards, you know, the Chalcedon and Icea and everything else,
946
00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:47.280
started to describe what it meant to be unorthodox Christian
947
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Orthodox meaning right thinking in Greek. Okay, so you had
948
00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:54.079
the Orthodox Catholic Church back in those days. I mean
949
00:53:54.119 --> 00:53:58.039
they eventually they separated into the Eastern Roman Empire became
950
00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:02.440
Orthodox in the Western Roman Empire was Catholic, but originally
951
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they were Orthodox Catholic h And yeah, they the very
952
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:12.559
word itself, orthodox means right thinking. Heretic means someone who
953
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ain't thinking right.
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You and I, sir. You and I, sir are heretics, obviously.
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Yeah. The heretics actually were the ones who kind of
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had the you know, we're kind of really clued in. Unfortunately.
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It's it is fascinating how this is all coming. Do
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you believe that that the that there is a conscious
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awakening and consciousness of humanity, even though there is all
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this insanity happening in the world, that there is this
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kind of shift in opening and awakening.
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Yeah, And I think a lot of it has to
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do with a recognition of the sacred femine. I mean,
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look years ago, a couple of decades ago, when I
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go to consciousness gatherings like Whole Life Expo or you know,
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any of these consciousnesses, Yeah, it would be like to
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you know, they be two hundred people that are going
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be one hundred and ninety nine women in me and
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now you go to these and it's pretty much equal.
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And I think what's happening is that things kind of
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cycle around, and the feminine principle of life has a
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lot to do with relying on intuition and feeling as
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opposed to rational, analytic and logical. So we've been in
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that rational, analytical and logical mind state for many, you know,
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centuries now, and I think that people are starting to
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understand that subjective consciousness is probably even more important gateway
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to understanding reality than science is. But let me just
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say they're equal, Okay, at the very least they're equal.
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You can approach reality from a scientific standpoint, which takes
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a look at nature and then kind of works its
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way up, or you can approach it from a subjective standpoint,
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which is getting insights and intuition that come from the
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top and then working your way down and eventually they
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meet in the in the middle somewhere. So metaphysics to
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me is just as important as physics itself, as quantum physics.
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And you know, you have a left brain in a
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right brain, right, okay, So the right brain is your
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more intuitive and feeling nature where it resides, and in
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the left brain it's more analytical and logical. I think
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what's happening now is people are becoming more balanced. So
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instead of being one or the other, I think we're
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becoming both. And in fact, the psychologist Carl Jung said
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exactly that when you you know, you merge that left
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brain and right brain, that's when you become an actualized being. Well,
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that's the same thing that Jesus said in the Gnostic Gospels.
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He said, when the male becomes the female and the
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female becomes the male, and the two become one, then
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you will move. Then you will realize the kingdom Hem,
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and then you will move mountains.
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Now, Peter, I'm gonna ask you a few questions, ask
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all my guests, what is your definition of living a
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fulfilled life?
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Well, I think something that makes you feel good. I
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think doing something that that that that makes you feel worthwhile, helpful,
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in service to others, performing something that a task that
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is transcends yourself. Uh. And that has a lot to
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do with, you know, being of service to others. I mean,
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you know, I mean honestly, what I'm doing now being
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on your show and everything takes away from my business life, Okay,
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but I'm happy to do that because I feel, you know,
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I'm what I'm trying to do is help other people
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get to the point where they have this these experiences
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with higher or extraordinary consciousness, because then I believe they
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become better human beings. I believe it helps their their
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lives out and so that's why, you know, that's why
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I do this. So for me, you know, that's that's fulfilling.
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If I were simply going about business and earning money
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all the time, well that would be great. There's nothing
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wrong with money, let me tell you, But that would
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not be for me, not be a fulfilled life.
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If you can go back in time and talk to
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little Peter, what advice would you give him?
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You know, I I think I would probably have said,
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be a little bit more at ease with the world.
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I always felt when I was young, a sense of alienation,
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that that something was wrong here that I didn't I
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didn't really fit in, that that they had to be
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way more than what you know I was. I was,
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I was feeling, and and it really, in some way,
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in some ways that was good because maybe maybe that's
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what was my spark, you know, that led me on
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to this, I mean, or maybe that was the early
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indication of where my later life would had. Was this
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feeling of alienation or something else is going on here,
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And emotionally I probably would have said ease up a
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little bit you know, don't let it worry you so much,
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you know, don't be so don't don't be so concerned
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about it. Just go with the flow and we'll let it,
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let it unfold itself. I probably would have said, Yeah,
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that's what I probably would have told myself.
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How do you define God or source energy?
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Consciousness? Consciousness that expresses itself through the vehicle of light
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and light is a conveys intelligence, you know, and intelligence
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means intention. So really there is information that is encoded
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in light energy, just the same way that DNA encodes
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the information that shapes our body. I believe that light
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energy encodes the information that shapes our world, It shapes
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our universe, that shapes creation. So that God essentially is
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that consciousness that conveys itself through those mediums.
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And what is the ultimate purpose of life?
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Like I think I said it before, I think the
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ultimate purpose of life is to as human beings, is
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to spiritualize the material, bring the experience of the material
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back to spirit.
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And where can people find out more about you and
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the work that you're doing. We'll be right back after
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a word from our sponsor, and now back to the show.
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Yeah, I think the best place to go is uh
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my website Petercanova dot com. That's p E T E
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r c A n O v A dot com. Uh.
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It tells about my works, the trilogy that I mentioned
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and my my new book, Quantum Spirituality, which incidentally the first.
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My publisher just entered it the first of a number
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of book contests, the American Book Fest. They entered it
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in four categories and at one in all four categories.
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So it's a it's a it's a real it's a
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real dot connector. I mean, it encompasses quantum physics, the
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01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:57.400
ancient spirituality, we've been talking about, union psychology. It takes
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several different disciplines and correlates them and shows how they're
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saying the same thing and giving the same indicators. So
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really what it is, it's like our roadmap for people
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who are on a spiritual journey, and it kind of
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has sign points that indicate things to look at, things
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to consider, directions to go and to enhance your spiritual growth.
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I cannot tell anybody how to conduct their own spiritual life,
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but what I can do is set up an arena
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of knowledge and information for them to work in and
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then launch themselves off on their own path.
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Peter, it has been a pleasure and honor talking to you,
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my friend. It was a very fascinating conversation and hopefully
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it's going to help a few souls out there. So
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I appreciate you, my friend.
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Thank you for having me.
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Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today.
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If you feel called to explore this conversation further, you'll
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