Episode 415 | Math Hoffa

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Speaker 2: But anyways, we are back. How's your week been? I've been with the Week every day. We see each other every day. You know exactly how my week's been.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Young Berg aka hit Maker episode is out right now with a great hit maker, great conversation.
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Speaker 2: If you haven't checked it out, it's hilarious.
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Speaker 4: He tells some very funny stories about he's He's like Maul said, off my yesterday. He's he's in that bow wow like Forrest Gump of hip hop type type area.
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Speaker 2: Origin is crazy. It's absolutely insight. His origin story is absolutely crazy, like going like being discovered by DMX and then being signed to DMX, then.
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Speaker 4: Being signed in one of Scott Yeah not in Violator. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's kind of nuts. But we've had Berg on a few times and he's still somehow always tells.
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Speaker 3: Us new stories every time he comes on. So he's great guest. Check that out how many songs he got dropped me today?
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Speaker 1: Twenty one?
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Speaker 2: He says, I think more than that, and say like thirty or forty or something. As you're listening to.
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Speaker 3: This, he's working. Man, got hit maker. I got to know what his pub dey look like. Life is good living in Miami. I might need to pay no mortgage. I might need to borrow.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, chilling. He putting forty songs. Let me borrow to today? Yeah, man, just borrow a song exactly many.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: We are sponsored by Boost right now. We have merch on sale at new roymul dot com. Also, if you want to hear this episode ad free, five dollars for the whole month. Every single episode is AD free. Where do you want to start? I don't want to start in a somber place, but I mean I feel like we do need to start by saying rest in peace to one of the greatest musicians, singers, artists of our time, di'angelo.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: This this was one of those this like when artists die or celebrities die sometimes like oh that sucks with this, this one like hurt, like I felt like I know him and I've never met him. Yeah, it's this. I don't even know where to begin on this one. How many times in the last ten years of podcasting I have we just discussed our Dmslow was one of our favorite artists ever. Anytime we have an R and B debate, first name we bringing up like he was one of them. Absolutely, Like you can't compare his voice or style to any other artist period, whether.
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Speaker 2: Be pop, R and B and Neils or whatever. He I mean, he was a goat with you.
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Speaker 4: Know, three albums that he spread out in each generation an era that he put an album out.
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Speaker 2: He changed the face of music during it.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely so yeah, I mean, uh, you know, condolences to his family, definitely, to his his son definitely, probably rough rough year for him, losing both parents so so prise, and condolences to his.
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Speaker 2: Son as well as his daughter too.
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Speaker 4: But did you ever have the privilege of meeting D'Angelo?
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Speaker 3: Uh, he was in the studio one night. I forgot whose session it was. He was in the studio, but we never I never had the the privilege of having an actual one on one conversation and kicking with kicking it with him and giving him his flowers. But you know, when you say di'angelo, you know for somebody growing up in the nineties, we call it the golden of music. R and B especially D'Angelo was was the guy that you know, absolutely changed the style. You know, you used to seeing musicians look a certain way. You know, I used to seeing musicians with the talent level of it. The Angelo would have corn rolls and you know, leather jackets and no shirt. Like it was like, you know, he just changed the style of what musicians look like, especially in the nineties, Like he just came in. It was, you know, just completely completely just changed the sound and the energy in R and B soul. So many people that are an extension of his talent and his musical genius. So receiving that news of his past and was definitely heavy, like you know, because the Angelo was never somebody that was ever really in the headlines. So it's easy to kind of like not think about the Angelo unless you like hearing his music or like you you know, he happens to be working on a new project. So when you know, I forgot who hit the chat and it was like the Angelo passed. I was like I read that. I was like, whoa you let me? Just reading that was just like that's somebody he wasn't expecting to just you know, reads passed away. But after privately, you know, battling the illness and things like that, you know, the family decided to keep that, you know, because he was again, he was not Dangelo, wasn't somebody that was ever really in the headlines. There wasn't nothing negative.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 3: It was just like if it wasn't about music, if he wasn't performing, you didn't know what D'Angelo was doing. And I think that's the way he wanted it. That's the way he you know, saw of his mystique and his aura was was strictly about the music and his talent. But so young, you know, to to to pass away at fifty one, and his talent, man, you know, obviously had to live on.
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Speaker 2: His music lives on. But yeah, di'angelo was was one of the greats.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 3: For him to no longer be with us, you know, so soon, it's just like it's just kind of like, you know, put you in a fag because you can't really like damn like that fast so soon, like, but you know, one of the greatest. Remember listening to you know, Lady and Brown Sugar being in high school like he was just a soundtrack. If you was like, had a crush on a girl, you had to play D'Angelo. You had to, like, you know, if it was a talent show, it was like, who's gonna see D'Angelo? Like, now everybody came, who's gonna try to do that? Everybody D'Angelo? Like he was just the coolest of the cool man. So prais and condolence is his family left an incredible legacy, you know, just somebody just had so much musical integrity and so much style and and and did it his way. So yeah, man, it's it's a terrible loss for the coaching and for music. But you know, his work is here, His his music is here, the people that he influences here, the artists that he worked would still here. So you know, his music and his art lives onf for sure.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: When I was working for Kevin Lyles, he was working with Dangelo, I guess you could say manager Dangelo at that time for the Black Messiah album and Dangel that you know obviously never came to the office, never was like, you know, part of any meetings or anything. But when I say anytime keV would play like a song from that album before it came out, Like we would all just gather around like the media room door like children and just put our fucking ear to the side to try to hear that shit. So like seeing that project from an office standpoint completely come together was like just an honor to be next to somebody that was working with Dangelo. Like I had nothing whatsoever to do. I was just in the office, But that was like one of the coolest times ever of like damn listening to a D'Angelo project right now, like nobody's heard, but yeah, sit with me and Dixon were in Electric Lady, which is a very famous studio in New York City where you know Dangel recorded most of his work, So aquariums from Fuck Eric Badoo, everyone you know recorded out of there. We like didn't work for like an hour and a half because we were just sitting there talk like like Dangelo sat right here. Yeah, Like we shouldn't be allowed it. It's fu like why are we why are we working in here? This is nuts, Like that's the same.
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Speaker 2: Mooth, incredible talent man.
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Speaker 4: So yeah, rest in peace again. I don't know if you have any Dangel memories, not like personal will.
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Speaker 5: Just like you guys covered everything.
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Speaker 2: He's a good job.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I did see, And I'm not sure if this was a rumor confirmed that prior to his death he was working on did it say like six different projects or something he was working on that wouldn't surprise me, So I mean hopefully that means, you know, we're still going to get D'Angelo music that he would want out, not just some ship that a label threw together with fucking old dat tapes. But he was probably battling pancreatic cancer, so it wouldn't surprise me if he was planning.
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Speaker 2: These projects for after his death.
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Speaker 4: So you know, I hope we get to at least here though sometimes so absolutely, but yeah, I don't really know how to turn turn them round Benzeno. This was just a perfect example of sometimes.
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Speaker 3: The angeloa Benzinos, because I know, I know that's absolutely crazy.
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Speaker 4: It's a perfect example of of a like sometimes honoring legends that have passed, like you should just sit out. Sometimes we don't need to know what, like what influences you had from him after his death, because I do believe that Benzino was influenced by Dangelo, all of us were. But I didn't need to see like exactly how Benzino was influenced.
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Speaker 6: Okay, I cannot Okay, no.
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Speaker 2: I don't think.
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Speaker 3: I don't think Benzino was influenced by D'Angelo about Benzino's music, nothing that I think. This is just what call it. This is cloud chasing. I think that's exactly what this is.
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Speaker 4: But he was doing it, yeah, he was. Come on, he was giving Dangelo his flowers before.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's yeah. He didn't just do that but Angelo died.
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Speaker 3: That would be fucking nuice. But oh he didn't just do this. No, it's still nice. So he had this in the vault. Matter of fact, I.
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Speaker 4: Think it's more disrespectful of doing this when D'Angelo is alive so he can see it. Why why he's just gonna have to put that ship somewhere on the screen. It's it's the untitled video when Dangelo is is shirtless with that shadow. But Benzino took that and put his own spin on it. Oh, this with him being shirtless, this is how does it feel?
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Speaker 1: Yes?
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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, listen, man, I mean I stayed correct.
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Speaker 3: This was before this video was out, before D'Angelo passed, Yes, and I stayed correct and when maybe Benzino was influenced by No.
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Speaker 4: He was suggesting, like, you know, he posted it when Benzino passed, like, hey, I've been influenced in my career by him.
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Speaker 2: Here's an example of how how it made him feel. Okay, and I saw it.
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Speaker 4: I saw Dangelo's son post something of you know, it's been a tough year. Thank you guys for having me in your thoughts and prayers. I'll definitely need it, Like keep keep telling me that. Do you think this made him feel any better? Like so some things, some tributes should just be like kept in the time. I'm sure he read Beyonce's post and was like, oh man, that's that's really cool to know that my pops, you know, influenced one of the biggest pop stars ever. Like those types of things I think help in grief and death. If I saw this, like that's gonna that's gonna delay like funeral.
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Speaker 2: Plans, I'm gonna be so angry.
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Speaker 6: I honestly, it probably gave him a laugh. It probably gave him like like.
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Speaker 4: Or him and his dad may have laughed at that together before. That could have been a good memory.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Like if that was out before his passion then Yeah, I'm pretty sure D'Angelo laughed at that.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. I also thought it's also crazy to think that James got the last recorded D'Angelo record that was put out font James Samuel for the soundtrack for the Book of Clarence.
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Speaker 2: It was the Jason Angelo record.
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Speaker 3: I Want You For Yeah, so that's that was the last one that was put out while he was alive, which is crazy to think. But now now that would make sense though, James working with Dan, oh, absolutely that makes it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure they had been talking about that for quite some time, even before that, because I think James even went in interviews and like, Hope didn't even know about it, and he just was sending him snippets and I think he said Hove was on the treadmill sending him bars while he was running on the treadmill because he had this d.
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Speaker 2: Angelo record, Like, yeah, I'll write for Dan. You got a d Angelo record? Yeah, I'll get on that for sure.
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Speaker 4: That's such a that's such a cool way for hip hop to age, like a guy in his fifties on a treadmill writing raps to a d' angelo record.
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Speaker 2: Yea for a movie called Book of Clarence.
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Speaker 4: And then sending them his voice notes to like someone's iPhone. That absolutely, But yeah, I wish you guys wanted to shame me so much when I thought Dangelo was down the hall for me those months ago.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I remember that. Yeah, you kept when you kept conveniently having to walk to the bathroom. Yeah, in the Dungeon net flux. Yeah, but I talked to that. But then when you told us that, I understood it, though, like I got it. Yeah, I was like, no, listen, that's that's Dangelo.
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Speaker 2: I get it.
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Speaker 3: But it's like, there's a way to go about that still, But I understood it's D'Angelo. Bro as a musician, as anybody, a producer, as an artist, if you have the opportunity to be in the same rooms, especially a studio, and just talk to DiAngelo and pick his brain about music, I mean, you definitely have to take that opportunity whenever you can, because you don't know when you'll have that opportunity.
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Speaker 4: Again, and because he had probably the most unique voice in R and B history, and be outside of like Marvin Gay, you know, when you're walking past a studio and like, all right, that's d Angelo and I've never heard that song, but what the fuck is going on in there?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 4: But yeah, Benzino, I guess we all we all grieve.
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Speaker 2: Different we do, that is very true. Or we do grieve differently.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Big l and the Massil album we talked about last episode, but they put out the first single with Nads you Ain't Got a Chance with a visual too that I.
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Speaker 2: Thought was really cool, just going through Old Harlem and the Old Queens.
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Speaker 4: First record is Fire out the Gate Massive Field again, yeah, Nads on the first single.
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Speaker 2: What is Massive Piel doing in twenty twenty five?
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Speaker 1: Man?
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Speaker 2: And we're getting the more nods and premotion?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Like nah, sat back and was like all right, because because Berg did say, you know the question he asked and I've been thinking about that since last night. Was like under thirty five, no legacy, Yeah, acts? Who are the rap? Who are the guys? Who are the top five? And I'm that ship, like I cannot believe I cannot name I could name one.
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean That's where I'm kind of mad. We were rights however many years ago when we were like, yo, do you think there's gonna be another Big three? Another rap supers? Like I can't see it.
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Speaker 3: I can see when we have in big one, like we was leaving fifty Hole Kanye Wayne, like we could see.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, there was like six people that were candidates in the beginning. Of course it switched and we got to a three, but we were all looking at five to six. Ship maybe even said like Wiz could have been that, I can't really see one right now.
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Speaker 3: It's crazy, man, And you know, I think, but we're haters.
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Speaker 6: I was gonna say they're gonna kick y'all ass ball and not talk about Playbo.
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Speaker 5: Cardi and Young Boy and White play Boy Cardi.
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Speaker 6: Listen, hey, I'm not talking about about what we I'm talking about. You're talking about rap superstars and let people.
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Speaker 4: They were Cardi's not a rapper to me, No, he's a He's like a noise okay, NBA.
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Speaker 2: Young Boy we brought we brought him up.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we brought Kodak up as well with well, how old is Playboy Cardi?
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Speaker 5: Thirty?
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Speaker 4: So even there, like I think what Berg was asking was like even younger than Cardi, I know. But even when we brought up like Travis, I agree with He's like I already see Travis is already getting to the legendary ship like.
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Speaker 3: I don't not a rapper that too, So I put I put Playboy in that same Travis Aaric rock star.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like you know what I mean.
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Speaker 3: It's it's not when I say I'm talking nas Jay Wayne. You know what I'm saying, like that type of those guys that rap like where where is it?
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Speaker 6: But but that's but that's what that young boy because you can't.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but he but he even said he was like he feels like young boy is more already like in his own legacy kind of thing already because he's been lit. Like that's yes, it is not new for you, young boy just catching on to it like been at his own you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 5: Looking for people after young like that's like rap.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, look take young boy, take young Boy.
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Speaker 5: I can't.
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Speaker 3: I was like, but what I'm saying even if you say yeah, young boy, okay, who else? Then what after that?
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Speaker 2: I said, Yeat? But got laughed at.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, I've seen footage of Yeat concerts.
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Speaker 2: Like he has a crazy fan base. I'm not saying he don't have a fan base. I'm talking about it.
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Speaker 4: Oh, he's an awful rapper, don't get me wrong, Like he makes terrible music in my opinion, clearly that doesn't matter because he's selling out more tickets than I could ever dream of selling.
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Speaker 2: I'm not trying to disrespect him in that way.
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Speaker 4: That's why I brought I didn't bring him up ironically like that would be considered rap now and he is dominating as far as streams and hard ticket sales like he is.
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Speaker 1: Shit.
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Speaker 4: I think the biggest record on the last Drake project was the one with E outside of first person Shooter, rod Wave.
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Speaker 2: Not a rapper, singer.
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Speaker 4: I give him his credit, Like he's definitely dominating the younger generation, but would you consider him a rapper?
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't consider Rod Wave rapper? Okay, yeah, rap.
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Speaker 4: He's almost like exclusively singing to me. Maybe he gets a little twelve off every now and then.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 5: But Dojah Cat is only twenty nine.
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Speaker 2: He brought up Doja No, Well he was talking about like mail on the mail side.
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Speaker 5: Oh okay, yeah, no.
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Speaker 2: Who Roddy Rich. I like Roddy Rich a lot, and he had.
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Speaker 3: Now we're just going see we just doing it now, we just googled.
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Speaker 2: Now, we just google rappers and we just named a name.
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Speaker 4: No, don't do that, because Roddy a few years ago it did look like the same way. Maybe we were looking at Sean wiz Wile a cole like Roddy had that moment for a year was like, oh, he could be if he keeps this pace up, he could be that. But then he put out the album that he even admitted fucking stunk, and it definitely like redirected his career and any type of steam that he had, and he just pushed his album back for like the seventeenth time.
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Speaker 3: I guess little Baby would probably be the one most people would probably it would be like a little Baby.
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Speaker 4: Because all y'all said we were moving into the little Baby era and I'm still waiting for the moving company.
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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like he would be one of the guys that people would name. It would be a little baby. Maybe even throw Meek in it. Well, no, howl is me me?
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Speaker 2: Is he's older than me?
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Speaker 5: Older?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Ok?
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Speaker 5: Yeah now old but yeah?
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Speaker 2: But so it will be like the little Baby. It would be guys like Gunna Gunn is definitely there, but it's gonna might be older is he? But is he wrapped the gun is older than thirty five.
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Speaker 5: I said, he might be. I'm not sure. I'll check.
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Speaker 2: Wait, he's thirty two, Okay.
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Speaker 4: I was gonna say, you can't be wearing like them them leather rain boots after thirty five, Like that's that's the that's a young man's sport.
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Speaker 2: Kanye do it Kanye like he's Peter Pan. I don't even know that.
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Speaker 1: I don't even know what that means all.
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Speaker 2: He doesn't talk about his innery, creative child. Oh man.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that was a you know, that was a great you know, like central Sir definitely stumped me with that one.
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Speaker 2: I was like, damn, I never really saying that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah you.
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Speaker 2: Oh no, what we young boy we're saying is there we're trying to anyone else we.
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Speaker 3: Named young boy, but he said name five. So I said, okay, young boy, cool, forgive me four more. Like we're sitting here, we don't even we just like, yeah, and that's crazy to say that. We can't even do that in rap, Like you can't name five of the guys under thirty five that are like.
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Speaker 2: The next legends, Like that's scary. That is scary.
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Speaker 5: Jack Jack Carlow Jack Carlow is not gonna be a legend.
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Speaker 2: Well, we're saying the next guy. Wait, and that's just say about somebody.
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Speaker 1: He ain't gonna be.
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Speaker 3: Had like you might have, but you might have an incredible next three year round he might.
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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I apologize, right, I'm just saying it doesn't appear to be on that trajectory for him.
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Speaker 1: I do.
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Speaker 2: I want the best for you. Got diamond records though, like he got it, he has successful.
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Speaker 5: A lot of people have divond.
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Speaker 6: We ain't gonna say a lot a lot of people have diamond records that have not had a successful full career, but they have a diamond record.
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Speaker 4: No hold on how much I think you're thinking that because he had so much output for like three years and took a break. Just because you're taking a break doesn't mean he's not doesn't have the same steam. Like if he comes out with another single, which he's clearly capable of, even the I'm Vanilla Baby shit popped right after all those other fucking diamond records, he's capable of like continuing that trajectory.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't like, you know, I don't like that, And I think Jack is talented, but I don't like that because you're naming records that are like samples and flips of big records. It's like that's a cheat code to me, Like give me your original sound, your original record that's a smash, that's a fucking hit, a classic record with no sample, Like give me that, Like when you say I'm vanilla like that, what was the name? What's the name of that recorde? Loving on great record? But we know that we know that song already, Like that's already a hit record that we've heard years ago.
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Speaker 4: Don't do that though, cause okay uh Kanye and Loupe Fiasco Touched the Sky coming into his second album, Like that was not even a sample flip, It was just the fucking song.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, But before that, Kanye had already had his own sounds, his own songs that didn't have like it may be samples in it, but not as heavy as the jack hap that was just that wasn't was that even.
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Speaker 4: I think older like a cover I think to older people, which I've talked about before, like when my my pots was never like against rapper was like a rap hater, but like a lot of the songs that I would listen to he'd be like, I know this fucking the real song.
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Speaker 2: Like hip hop is based off the sense of the break. I don't think we.
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Speaker 4: Should just put the rules for Jack there when all of our favorite rappers ever have gotten hit records with very very noticeable sam.
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Speaker 2: But noteble, so name another jack record? Well, pause the jack Man album First Class? Is that not another cover?
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Speaker 1: No?
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Speaker 2: His three biggest singles are for sure like big.
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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, Like I'm just I'm just saying that about Jack. Like I get it, he's talented and he has big records, but like Jack, got to give me Jack though, like, not the flip of a song that was already huge years ago, he bringing it back, putting his own spin on it.
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Speaker 1: I get that.
00:24:06
Speaker 3: That's part of hip hop, sampling and taking. You know, the break beat is the sample. But it's like, we need your sound, we need your song, we need your record, original record, like give us yours, not a flip on something else.
00:24:19
Speaker 4: I mean, well, that's why I kind of appreciated jack Man, which we you just have to part.
00:24:24
Speaker 2: I just wish he would call something else.
00:24:27
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like he went with the pop rap with come Home the Kids, Miss You did well, a bunch of singles. Churchill Downs was fucking one of the best records of that year too, without a crazy sample. Of course, you have one of the better Drake features in the last decade. But that'll help sometimes.
00:24:42
Speaker 3: But he went helps a little bit and just to shoot the video with him at the Kentucky Dirt I mean.
00:24:49
Speaker 4: Who directed that was one of the most fire videos I've seen quite some time. That shit was incredible. Who Jack got shooting on for that?
00:24:56
Speaker 1: No?
00:25:01
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, that's one of those like, well.
00:25:04
Speaker 3: That Drake versus that's what it's like, drag versus insane. I would like, you're you're ecstatic when that verse comes back as an artist, like Drake sent you that, but it's like, god, damn my nigga, Like, you whooped my ass on this record, Like yeah, but you're not mad because you know what it's gonna do, and you're coming out.
00:25:21
Speaker 2: To Kentucky to do the video with my mom. I'm not gonna play. But if I'm standing next to each other for the first time, like Jesus Christ, you whooped my ass.
00:25:31
Speaker 4: Yeah, we get to shoot in slow mo horses at the Kentucky Derby on a red camera like and even that.
00:25:37
Speaker 2: Like, I remember when jay Z was on.
00:25:38
Speaker 4: Wan Epstein and they had brought up that NAS line of uh and Eminem killed you on your own shit, j was like, well, I don't believe that, but okay, did I should? I want a bad m verse for my album? Right, It's like, yeah, of course, I'd like you to fucking give me your best feature verse ever. But jack Man was not any of the Like he was flipping soul samples and like Chipmunk and shit.
00:25:58
Speaker 2: But again, it felt more like.
00:25:59
Speaker 4: A mixed tape and it didn't have the same commercial success, but it didn't feel like that was even his approach. Yeah, but he did that on his own after Without Yeah, that his album.
00:26:10
Speaker 3: I thought that year with Churchill downs on Hurry Up, Come Home with Kids.
00:26:14
Speaker 2: Micheon on Kids, great project. I like that project.
00:26:18
Speaker 3: But even again, it's like a guy that I would at one point, and Rory knows how I feel about Kodak, I would have had him in that conversation.
00:26:27
Speaker 2: He's had his troubles, jail.
00:26:29
Speaker 3: You know, drugs, things like that, you know, just the real life issues that kind of got in the way of some of his trajectory. But I think Kodak to me, Kodak Black is better than all of these guys as far as rapping that that we're talking about, so you know, but you know, things get in the way that that. And to be a successful artist, and you know, you could have tested this world, it takes more than just talent.
00:26:53
Speaker 2: So many things have to align, Like.
00:26:55
Speaker 3: When you look at the greats, everything has to align, like how are they in their personal life? Like how serious are they about their crap? How focused are they? How dedicated are they to their talent. A lot of the times you see gods with a lot of talent, but their personal lives the thing, you know, their vices and things like that getting the way and you know it kind of interferes with their success. But to me, Kodak Black is you know, he's his talent level is insane. Yeah, And you go back to listen to a lot of his early shit, and I found out because you know, I was kind of I wasn't late to Kodak, but I was later than some people, like most people were, and listening to a lot of his shit when I started finding out he was eighteen nineteen doing those type of records, no features versus and hooks and melodies eighteen nineteen years old.
00:27:44
Speaker 2: That's not you don't see that much in rap.
00:27:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, where a dude is doing his entire project no features or a lot of his biggest records, no features. He's doing the verses and the hooks, coming up with the melodies. He's writing all his own shit. The thing, his content, the shit he was saying in his balls, I'm like being eighteen nineteen talking about the shit Kodak was talking about his talent levels insane.
00:28:08
Speaker 2: Again. Vice is getting the.
00:28:09
Speaker 3: Way of that a lot with a lot of these young guys, and unfortunately that's what the story is for Kodak, his vices that get in the way of his talent. But Kodak Black's talent level is I think he's better than ninety five percent of these guys we just named.
00:28:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, answer your point too.
00:28:25
Speaker 4: The superstar thing, Like, there's also the intangibles, like you can check every single box, but it's gonna sound corny sometimes the universe and timing just has to exist. Like things that you can't control whatsoever need to fucking time up. Yeah, because I've seen people check every box and I'm like, how the fuck did this not Work's the timing of where music was, what was going on. You just not catch what happened one month of one year. It can change literally everything as.
00:28:49
Speaker 2: Far as what a rollout is.
00:28:51
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
00:28:53
Speaker 2: I still think baby Team's gonna come back and say hip hop all right, do we have voicemails?
00:29:01
Speaker 4: Yeah, your voicemails.
00:29:06
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that's what you want to take you.
00:29:11
Speaker 4: I mean, I thought Keem had a potential on the first joint. I didn't think it was like a classic, but I didn't think it was bad. It showed potential. I just think you need to have like some more output with just some potential. Like if you put out like a classic out the gate, like a Channel Orange, yeah, you're giving some grace for some years to kick it, but not Team Keem mass the Whoomusico.
00:29:36
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:29:36
Speaker 2: I mean, in order to be in the conversation, you have to have music out.
00:29:39
Speaker 4: But if you talk to the internet and had the same conversation, King's name would be brought up as far as.
00:29:45
Speaker 2: Like who people think the next guys would be?
00:29:48
Speaker 1: He would.
00:29:49
Speaker 4: I'm not saying you have to agree, but King's name comes up often where I'm like one project.
00:29:53
Speaker 3: I mean I love when people tell me like name guys like yeah and not he because then the first thing I do is like, all right, send me let me hear it, like send me his ship, let me go. You know, sometimes I'm not always in tune with a lot of these dudes that people think it's dope, and I listen and I'm just like, all right, let me take off my illmatic ears. Oh for sure, let me take off, let me take off my reasonable doubt is, let me take off my ready to die do that out the gate. Yeah, Like, let me let me take these ears off. Let me just put some ear muffs on it. Yeah, and just listen to this and see what these guys are doing. But yeah, man, I don't know. Man, It's I'm kind of I'm kind of nervous for the future of rap and hip hop. I'm gonna be honest, Like after Berg said that yesterday, I got to think it last night, and I'm just like, damn, Like.
00:30:34
Speaker 6: It's nobody knows what to do, Like, no one knows where to take hip hop to evolve it.
00:30:41
Speaker 5: It's not charting the way it once used to.
00:30:44
Speaker 6: It's not as it's still obviously still the culture, but it's not as commercial as it once was.
00:30:49
Speaker 5: No one knows where to take it next.
00:30:51
Speaker 3: Like look at for example, this year the albums in the the artist were raving about is guys that's been in it thirty plus years. The clips mob d fucking nah waiting on nas joints. Like we talked about guys that have.
00:31:08
Speaker 4: I should Gibbs got twelve thirteen gigs, like these are the guys that has over fifteen years.
00:31:14
Speaker 2: Then these are.
00:31:14
Speaker 3: Guys that have been almost twenty. Yeah, it's like these are the elder the elder statesmen. These are guys that have been doing it so when they're still currently putting out the best music and the best albums and rapping and hip hop, I mean that that says a lot.
00:31:28
Speaker 2: Even Chances a veteran at this point, Chance is.
00:31:32
Speaker 3: A veteran, So you can't even put him in that under thirty because how old a Chance.
00:31:36
Speaker 4: Uh, probably around probably thirty four. Maybe it's like a year younger than thirty two.
00:31:40
Speaker 3: Okay, Chances thirty two, Oh much of it than I thought. So put Chance in that cad to put him in that conversation.
00:31:45
Speaker 2: Jied for sure. He had one of the best rap albums.
00:31:48
Speaker 1: This year.
00:31:48
Speaker 2: Same with Jed.
00:31:49
Speaker 4: I put Jid there as well, but even Jim's been around for a while at this point, and.
00:31:55
Speaker 2: Jed is thirty four, so he's like right there on that.
00:31:58
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:31:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's kinda wild.
00:32:00
Speaker 6: I mean, well, if we're talking, he'll be thirty five next week, So Jittery thirty five next week.
00:32:06
Speaker 1: So now we can't.
00:32:06
Speaker 2: Even really was a great younger.
00:32:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, his birthday's at Halloween, so he'll be thirty five.
00:32:14
Speaker 2: So it's like you can't even you know.
00:32:16
Speaker 4: People that rap like this and make this type of music, it takes longer.
00:32:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it definitely. It's almost like like not a thing anyheah too.
00:32:25
Speaker 4: So this type of shit is like almost where like stand up comedy has gotten where it's like guys don't really break until they're forty. Yeah, because even like Gibbs finally getting his just doing the last few years, but like Gibbs is making elite music for fifteen years. Yeah, but it's just it's that type of rap has now gotten to that place.
00:32:45
Speaker 2: Shit, how was Westside Gun? I will forty forty something?
00:32:51
Speaker 5: I was thinking like thirty eight.
00:32:52
Speaker 2: Done forty three years old? Jesus, Yeah, man.
00:32:57
Speaker 4: And I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I think that's great, but it just takes longer with.
00:33:02
Speaker 3: That and it's fun. You're talking about guys from my era. It was a different attention to detail, different respect for the for the art of it all. It was so these are guys that came up having to check certain boxes in order to be considered dope, you know what I mean. It wasn't like, oh, just get a record out of your basement, posting on fucking you know, TikTok and it goes viral and now you doing shows next month, and it's like, No, these are guys that really put in work and grind it for years and traveled and had to do things like but it shows because they paid attention to detail and have certain skill sets that you had.
00:33:38
Speaker 2: To have at one point. Yeah, man, Ice Spice, Bronx legend, you know, we love a Shanelli.
00:33:43
Speaker 6: Yeah, y'all was leaving women out of this conversation. I guess you're like, no, but we're talking about men. But like what we're talking about rap because the women been putting out good talent albums.
00:33:51
Speaker 2: But oh no, no, the point ain't running rap, know what?
00:33:53
Speaker 4: Burg how we got into that conversation was because Berg was saying, women, you can name the five women out the gate without even thinking about it. So then that's why he was like, well, what about the guys is trash right now?
00:34:05
Speaker 1: Oh?
00:34:06
Speaker 3: But the women or recent even said the woman. That's how we got into that. The women are clearly running right yeah.
00:34:11
Speaker 4: And I mean with Ice Pikes drop today like it just furthers his point.
00:34:16
Speaker 2: Bronx legend.
00:34:17
Speaker 4: You ain't even get the Destiny's Child b Kelly flip. You didn't even guess went way over your head.
00:34:23
Speaker 2: That's what's up. You ain't even know the song was gonna be called Baddy Baddie? Did you no?
00:34:28
Speaker 4: I didn't you shocked this morning like that? She took it there? All right, we have a guest coming on.
00:34:36
Speaker 2: Ship.
00:34:37
Speaker 4: We've we've been talking with with this guy for a while, trying to figure out when to go on his show or him to come on our show. Clearly having bag Fuel on is what sparked the entire thing.
00:34:48
Speaker 2: But Math is our guy.
00:34:51
Speaker 4: So when to take a quick commercial break, as per Peage, and when we come back, we will.
00:34:56
Speaker 2: Have the Math of interview hit it.
00:35:00
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00:35:49
Speaker 2: A man, we are in start.
00:35:51
Speaker 3: We are joined by Well he said it, I didn't say it. The best rapper podcasting in the world.
00:35:59
Speaker 2: Matt from the field.
00:36:01
Speaker 3: Then we had so first of all, we have been talking about us coming on your platform, you coming on our platform for a while, but in particular we had we had bag feeling shout out to our guys back fuel.
00:36:15
Speaker 1: Start like that. No, I'm just trying to tell as well.
00:36:18
Speaker 2: He really want to because I'm trying.
00:36:20
Speaker 3: I'm trying to I'm trying to lead up to how the conversation of you calling me and then it's.
00:36:25
Speaker 1: Like, no, no, no, please don't say that. I'm I wouldn't say it to be a pleasant, pleasant surprise.
00:36:29
Speaker 2: Okay, I wouldn't say what you said.
00:36:32
Speaker 3: But but in that conversation you called me after, that's.
00:36:34
Speaker 2: Okay, just be telling that.
00:36:40
Speaker 1: You called somebody watching the door down.
00:36:45
Speaker 3: We wanted to do this episode for peace, but I'm happy that MAP is finally here so we could talk our ship. But we were talking about you sending us music, yes, some of your music to review and talk about, and how you we were jokingly said, don't copyright us once we it up on YouTube, and you were saying how you don't understand how rappers don't allow people to react to their music and post videos.
00:37:07
Speaker 1: Right because okay, as a fan, right, you know, we grew up listening to a lot of rappers that are still dropping music. Yeah, and it just bewilders me that, like, yo, it's twenty twenty five, there's not many platforms that will promote your music anymore. Yeah, right, it's not being played on radio, like I can't remember it the lot. I don't think I've heard anything past King's disease too from nas on the radio at.
00:37:34
Speaker 2: All on radio? Okay, gotcha, gotcha? Okay, you know what I mean.
00:37:38
Speaker 1: So, and you know, they some of them don't do that many interviews, so he ain't doing a lot of interviews, right, And lyricism to me is something that needs to continue. So if we have like a new audience or audience that follows us that maybe like twenty four or eighteen to thirty or what, they're not necessarily familiar with their music as much as you know, the other people we made interview, so to expose it to him, we don't get the chance to because we're getting hit with copyrights. So yeah, like go drop this project. I wanted to review app so as soon as I uploaded the video, Yeah, copyrights, And I'm like, damn, why haven't they figured out to not you know, allowed to allow it Like when Kendrick did that ship. That ship was genius during the battle, Yeah for sure, and he allowed the reactors to share monetization. It was genius.
00:38:39
Speaker 4: I mean, well, there's two steps to that, because you can just white label it where people won't get their video taken down and then the second step, which is the Montar ship. But as far as that first step, if you're an independent artist, I have no idea why you wouldn't white label all of your music. Yeah, the majors, that's a way deeper conversation. Like during COVID, remember we was just doing like G live jam sessions playing music and then they shut all that ship down. I was like, these majors are stepping over a dollar to get a penny, Like we're promoting music, Like, you're not losing money by us doing these jam sessions. It's a bunch of people in here going, oh, I don't even know this song?
00:39:14
Speaker 2: What is this?
00:39:16
Speaker 4: Just so you could keep a fucking point zero zero one penny from IG Live?
00:39:19
Speaker 1: Like it makes no sense. I've never that this should be somebody and that's on staff at these labels because it's not. It's not just majors, like you know some of just the distributors. They don't they don't even check to see like who's doing this ship? Oh this could be a million more streams, but what are you doing?
00:39:39
Speaker 7: Right?
00:39:39
Speaker 1: It's just crazy.
00:39:40
Speaker 3: So you had because we we we haven't really kicked it in years but you had to never really kicked it.
00:39:47
Speaker 1: Well, I mean what, we don't really kicked We ain't gonna be faked. No, no, no, no no, I'm not saying not saying.
00:39:53
Speaker 3: We've never met, never met uncomfortable.
00:39:58
Speaker 4: I've never met at a I've tweeted about mass podcasts since the inception of how much I liked it.
00:40:03
Speaker 2: We never I think we DMed each other.
00:40:05
Speaker 1: Like me for a second, I remember that.
00:40:07
Speaker 2: Oh, please give me the history lesson on this one.
00:40:09
Speaker 1: Both for y'all, both for y'all.
00:40:11
Speaker 3: I can find that tweet none the whole now, Math talking ship because me and Math go back to.
00:40:15
Speaker 1: Where he was doing total slaughter.
00:40:17
Speaker 3: And we was in that fucking brownstone in Brooklyn, and you was battling all the niggas for.
00:40:21
Speaker 1: A bed, me and you. I don't want nobody for a bed. To judge, I was.
00:40:27
Speaker 3: One of the few niggas that was really fucking with you in the house, like yo. You was like yo, these niggas in his corny. I was sitting there you right or wrong?
00:40:35
Speaker 1: First of all, which is legal, because you own bedroom, and it.
00:40:39
Speaker 2: Was why they give your bedroom, why they gave your own bedroom.
00:40:42
Speaker 3: You was in there trying to bully niggas. You was in there trying to bully niggas you wasn't.
00:40:46
Speaker 1: Fucking They gave me my own bedroom yea. It was the only one in the house that had his own bedroom from the rip, So I was good.
00:40:54
Speaker 4: And then and then what they did with Rex was fucked up. Like episode one that was foul.
00:40:58
Speaker 2: On, total slaughter. He had the bad on. He was in the basement. I think that was in the quartest.
00:41:02
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Rex knew what Tom it was, so he came with a verse that he had written and rehearse and.
00:41:09
Speaker 2: He knew what he was doing.
00:41:10
Speaker 1: Pick like that. That show totally depicted battle Rap in the wrong way.
00:41:15
Speaker 2: I feel like y'all all felt like that, like going what we're doing.
00:41:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody knew it was even real until the week up. Okay, we were phone calls like this ship real. Yeah, okay, y'all they set the money. We got to be there on Monday. Yeah.
00:41:31
Speaker 2: It was a cool experience.
00:41:32
Speaker 4: Yeah, the idea was cool. I just think they maybe rushed that execution of it.
00:41:36
Speaker 1: It wasn't a cool idea for battle Rap because it's like you put a bunch of battle rappers in the house. That's not what we do, bro.
00:41:42
Speaker 3: Like you know, they was going on for the whole make the making the band energy, trying to like reignite that whole wave of reality TV and a wash out.
00:41:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, so wash out. If there's gonna be any type of drama and battle rap, that's reality. Let that ship happen in the streets. That happened for real, you know what I mean. We ain't arguing in the kitchen the pancakes.
00:42:05
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
00:42:06
Speaker 4: We got a great battle because it was a Kashawan and who's the battle of it was? It was like bts. It wasn't even on the show. There was arguing the kids for like thirty minutes, right, but.
00:42:14
Speaker 1: They didn't battle. They popped ship and they battled later.
00:42:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We got to battle later.
00:42:19
Speaker 1: Mac made the money off for that. Yeah. I respected the battles that y'all got. H Can I say his name? Can I say?
00:42:28
Speaker 2: Sure Joe versus Hollow Trash. I thought I thought it was underwhelming from both of them.
00:42:35
Speaker 1: First of all, you don't battle holding a mic like this, yo, Mike check one too, yo, Yo. You guys to quiet down or I'm not gonna rap. I'm gonna walk off this. You don't do that. Don't tempt the battle crowd. Yeah, I forgot how to do. Not tempt the battle crowd. If you say, y'all, don't be quiet, I'm not spending these wraps.
00:43:00
Speaker 2: Be some crazy ship that was that Daylight that did some crazy ship at that one.
00:43:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, he came out in a costume. Oh there's a whole story behind that. I actually saved you saved that event from being shut down early for real. Yeah, because I think I battled disaster the week before and all that ship went down with you know, me out there thumping with six niggas, and the week after they like supposed to be in New York for total slaughter. So a lot of people that was around me was not happy with what happened, you know what I mean. So despite me saying chill, chill, I ain't gonna say I said, I ain't say chill. I just didn't say nothing. Right when Daylight we went up there to battle, and the spawn outfit that he was supposed to light hisself on fire, his hand shot out their hands arm. He's recovering from state. Shout out my man hands he's recovering from stage four cancer. Hands saw Daylight's homeboy and said, yo, what happened in Cali? And the nigga was like, yo, I had nothing to do with that, and he ran through the back door. He had the lighter fluid and the light. So Daylight had to improvise and like rip some of his clothes off and just fall on the floor. But he was gonna light himself on fire. Bro, I should have let him do it. We should have let him do it.
00:44:38
Speaker 2: I don't know. If I think he saved a lot of people's lives, I.
00:44:42
Speaker 1: Shouldn't let him do it? Is crazy. Look at what you look at him, yo, Yeah, we should have let him do it. Look get back smoky the battle.
00:44:57
Speaker 4: Did anyone like all right? He had the lighter fluid? Was there a fire extinguisher in sight at all?
00:45:02
Speaker 1: Yeah?
00:45:02
Speaker 2: Like, I don't. I just don't understand.
00:45:03
Speaker 1: Back in those days, I don't think he.
00:45:08
Speaker 3: Ain't think that far Daylight didn't think. They talked to the pyro expert about that. But what's your what to ask? What his why he thinks we didn't like him? We still never got to that.
00:45:16
Speaker 2: Math talking ship. I'm not talking ship anything.
00:45:19
Speaker 1: I don't fuck with you. Yeah, I don't like you, Joe. I've been waiting on a date for y'all to come on the part for seventeen seventeen years.
00:45:26
Speaker 3: Bro, Nah, I know you seventeen Yeah, I know you have not years, bro, No, you have died this nigga talking.
00:45:32
Speaker 4: Every time I talked to Mecca, I said, we're ready when y'all are, And I talked to Mecca pretty often, and this was back back to Mecca for he was on the shot, and that's my mass.
00:45:42
Speaker 3: You're not a day like, yeah, okay, that's like a personal friend of his.
00:45:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, i'mder staying like talking to me would have made that happen fair, you know.
00:45:52
Speaker 4: But I mean when I would run into somebody from the show more often, so I was always like, you know me, mom, happy to We probably supported it on social media on our pod. That's why I'm like, man, we ain't funk with you as crazy.
00:46:05
Speaker 1: There's no way I blamed y'all for what happened with you know these guys.
00:46:10
Speaker 2: Why you blamed us?
00:46:11
Speaker 1: Because I felt like people saw what y'all did and felt like we could recreate that.
00:46:19
Speaker 3: Oh that's what they felt like on your platform, right, yeah, but it was different with us though, Yeah, totally business the business was he didn't see it, Okay, you did, know what I'm saying, totally different, like y'all situation is like y'all started this front, right, Like you know what I'm saying, y'all started together. And no, not only that, but just the business side of it was totally different as well.
00:46:42
Speaker 1: Right by the time these guys got on the platform, they was like the third cast. Okay, you know what I'm saying. It was only there for nine months and the show was already three years old, right, So, but.
00:46:54
Speaker 4: I mean, do you feel like they contributed in that time though in a positive way?
00:46:59
Speaker 1: Definitely. I feel like everybody was to to to the most part, everybody was doing what they were supposed to be doing until they wasn't. And you know that, sometimes shit works out, sometimes it don't work out. For me, I got I got trust issues, you know what I mean. You're talking to somebody that got jumped in high school. And when I went back to take the state tests, I saw my cousin hanging with the niggas that jumped me.
00:47:28
Speaker 2: Hm hmm.
00:47:29
Speaker 1: So like and this is still a cousin that I got locked up later on later on for because he got stabbed when we was fighting some some blood niggas over beating up a homeless nigger. I okay, so we saw some blood niggas beating up a homeless nigga. We intervened. My cousin wild on them. So it's on and popping you on Eastern Parkway and Utica. One of these guys tried to stab me. My cousin stepped in a way he took the jug I didn't know until we got back to the crib and he lifted his shirt and I seen the blood pouring out, and every time he took a breath it will bubble up. Now being in this, is this the same cousin that you know back in the days did whatever. I still took my eyes to where them niggas was at by myself with nothing but a bottle. Cops s thought I had a gun and I ran down on a on a whole set and cops popped up phrase dropped the gun. I have a gun. I had a bottle that I broke in a T shirt. So for me, loyalty is something it's different, sis, It's serious for me. And when you start to play with that or you start to do things that I don't understand. Like it takes me to some place where it's like, yo, okay, I'm not I'm not going through this with you because you're not blood, you're not family, you're not you know what I mean. I'm gonna just clip this man. If you ain't mad enough to explain yourself, That's what it is like. So in that situation, I just felt like niggas was doing some weird shit at the wrong time.
00:49:16
Speaker 2: But weird in regards to what what do you feel is disloyal?
00:49:19
Speaker 1: Okay, funk Masterflex issues me a challenge. I'm like, yes, I get to music. I'm surrounded by so called music guys. We go to the studio. Everybody's giving me like opposite advice from what I feel I believe in myself. So I said, you know what, I like this record. I'm gonna send this record. Sent the record New York City. This is what New York sounds like. I see you, my brother. One of the proudest moments in my life. Might not mean shit other people.
00:50:00
Speaker 2: Right, but yeah, yeah, it's monumental ship.
00:50:08
Speaker 1: And then after that, a nigga taps me and say, yo, give me five thousand. I could get Clue to play it.
00:50:16
Speaker 2: Well, who said that?
00:50:19
Speaker 1: Well?
00:50:19
Speaker 2: Also, that's illegal, so that's a leegend.
00:50:22
Speaker 1: Okay, then Clue in the club. He don't know nothing about it. I'm like strike one okay, okay, strike one got you. You know the show started like like the numbers started picking up crazy. We had a no, I'll say that, a strike three. So I'm like, yo, let's see if we get a situation. Yo, my many know we plugged in at Revolt. It's that the third let's go to lunch. Me sit down, Yo. This is my brother Math and you know this. I'm like, all right, cool, why ain't your brother right? My man Nigga introduced me to Jay Reid.
00:51:11
Speaker 2: If y'all don't know who Jay, that's fucking hilarious. Y'all know who j Red is.
00:51:15
Speaker 1: So Jay Reid sends me what's supposed to be a Revolt contract. Okay, I'm looking at the numbers. I'm like, this shit don't make no sense. Like we're doing better than this right.
00:51:29
Speaker 2: Now, Like why is what like twenty twenty one?
00:51:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, like twenty twenty, no, twenty twenty maybe whatever whatever year they left. It was like two three years ago. Yeah, they've been going like three years now. Crazy anyway, So I'm looking at the contract, I'm like, the fuck is this? This shit don't make no sense? Call them like yo. But first of all, they tried to manage me. I'm like, yeah, niggas ever manage a podcast before? Never, right, okay, so why y'all trying to man all right? Whatever? And I'm like, Yo, son, this ship, this ship seemed wacky. So shout out to my man, Smitty run the city, Uh Smitty CEO Smitty. I talked to him about it. He was like, Yo, you're trying to You're trying to get the puff hold on. Get me on the phone. We talked, send me the DM. I got his number. He's on the line. He's like, Yo, Dion, whatever they want, just figure it out to make it happen. So I'm like, il cool, just like yo, M and puff right okay, So Puff flugs me in with Dion. Shout out to Dion, great dude, he gave me some great advice. I didn't listen to it that yet. Don't worry, my nigga. We gonna make it right, right, So I said, Yo, I got a contract from y'all from before, from D D D D. He says, I don't know who the fuck that is. Stop talking to them immediately.
00:52:54
Speaker 3: Puff says this. So I'm like, and it was supposed to be a revote contract that you were looking at Strike two, Strike two, okay, third strike.
00:53:08
Speaker 4: Sorry to cut you off. Did you speak to them about that after though? Like after this you got that?
00:53:12
Speaker 1: And it's always, man, I don't know what they doing. Man, I don't know what they're doing, but we'll do the math on that later. So third strike bag Fuel was supposed to and I, yeah, I don't even like talk them about this, but you know, let me explain it. Bag Fuel was a show that they stopped, and I'm like, yo, let's focus on this shit. Me and Homie had a falling out and Heineken talk me into bringing them back. Energy was still kind of off. So one day trying to get in contact with them to shoot an episode, because you know how it be sometimes somebody come in town and they'd be like, yo, I got from this time that this time, and you're like, yo, the team, can we get to look can we make this happen?
00:54:04
Speaker 2: Last minute? Audible?
00:54:05
Speaker 1: Yeah? So I'm getting to the point where I'm calling three niggas ain't picking up. I'm like, yo, well we're trying to get that they're not picking up by saying nothing. Then I've seen a clip of Backfield, the show that was supposed to be stopped go up Okahinnick, and I'm like, Yo, this a brand new clip. Yeah it was thatso's idea, Like, all right, so I'm negotiating with Revolt Damn there begging Puff and Dion for more bread so everybody could be situated and y'all doing this. So for me, it's like, I don't understand it. Yeah, I didn't understand it, and maybe I didn't have the communication skills at the time to like sit down and say, like, I don't understand this, explain it to me, okay, But I never got a call. Nobody ever hit me up to say, yo, this is what happened. I just cut times. I cut times because I just felt like, yo, bro, I can't trust this situation.
00:55:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you based on the previous things that was happening, you finding out that that contract nobody from that side I ever even heard of that, and was like, so that was the final show for you right, okay, And.
00:55:37
Speaker 1: To be honest, like doing homework. We're talking about somebody, somebody almost lost their life doing shit like that. I don't got to say no names, they know who it is. But doing shit like that, you already almost died before he doing right? What he doing make it make sense? So for me, it just it just felt like before I lock in with these guys in a contract where I ain't have to deal with I'm gonna just cut okay.
00:56:12
Speaker 3: I mean well, I like the fact that you took some accountability and saying maybe your communication, you know, you could have done something different, but you were already kind of like feeling some way because things were happening, and then that this was another move that you kind of felt like, oh, y'all are doing funny shit while I'm over here trying to make sure we're all good. So let me just before we lock in the contract and then now we contractually have to be around each other, have to do the show together, let me just cut tas okay, gut tasu. But w is mech falling in all of that? He was here, he kind of felt like he was like yo, he showed it one day. The lights was off in the shop. He didn't know what was going on. He was like, yo, I'll just show up whenever they told me to show up. Like Mech's stance was really like, y'all was just there to work. I didn't really know nothing about the business side of it. Whenever Math would say, yo, pull up, pull up, I'll pull.
00:56:59
Speaker 2: Up, he said, what the public knows is what he knew. Mm hmmm.
00:57:10
Speaker 1: I kind of rather not speak on Mecca because we haven't spoken in life nine months.
00:57:21
Speaker 2: But why not why you just reach out and just have a conversation.
00:57:24
Speaker 1: It's not it's not by my doing. Okay, you did so, and again for me, just certain signs like I come from a lifestyle with hanging around, hanging around people that hang around. Other people come in your life absolutely so when I see certain things, like certain engagements, it just it takes me back to times where I'm like, I trusted this nigga and I walked in. Niggas set me up right, you know what I mean? And maybe that's something I need to work on, because like this ain't the streets. It's just seems yeah.
00:58:00
Speaker 2: But but but some of the same from where we're from.
00:58:02
Speaker 3: No Math, that's called trauma, is right, It's called trauma. And you still have a lot of trauma. You're still holding in a lot of trauma from you know, growing up in a certain environment, going through certain things, which is you know, unfortunately.
00:58:15
Speaker 2: A part of a lot of our lives.
00:58:17
Speaker 3: But like you said, this is something now, this is business, and this is you know, you have to communicate differently. You have to handle conflict or what seems to be conflict differently.
00:58:27
Speaker 2: But that not just you.
00:58:28
Speaker 3: Everybody everybody involved has to handle things differently and has to treat things like business. But certain things that you're saying, I totally understand now that are hearing this story. I understand where you're coming from now, Like, okay, you were looking at things and keeping certain moves and getting information from another side where it wasn't adding up to the information that people that are directly next to you are giving you, right, and now you're like, wait, hold up, that's not what y'all just told me. Like now it's like funny shit happening. They don't revolt, never even heard of this thing.
00:59:03
Speaker 1: But who's taking accountability for this? Right? Am I supposed to forget that this happened? Yeah? You know what I mean.
00:59:10
Speaker 4: I mean, if if Mex hits you tomorrow, would that be a conversation you would have at this point?
00:59:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I've been I've reached out, but you know, everybody has their own trauma. That's what I'm realizing. So whatever his reasons for not speaking to me are, okay, all right? Cool? If I reach out and you choose like it's not time for you yet, all right, it's not to respected. Yeah, you know what I mean. But for me, I just need people to understand how how my mind works and how I interpret certain moves, and it's like how it affects me. Like I feel like you look at somebody like fifty cents, loyalty for him must be a really serious thing, because at some point in met life to death, I kind of see things the same way, and I realized, like throughout the years, I've been moving like that, Like even in battle rap, you're doing what you hanging with?
01:00:10
Speaker 5: Who?
01:00:10
Speaker 1: Now? FU fuck with them niggas, you know what I mean. So you know, if niggas is watching this, I just hope they understand that side of me. Did know what I'm saying?
01:00:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I get it, and you know, you're breaking it down like that. It definitely gives me some clarity on the whole situation and talking to you know, bag Fuel, like hearing that side of it and then now here on.
01:00:34
Speaker 2: Your side, like I get it.
01:00:35
Speaker 3: It does seem like it literally was miscommunication based off of personal feelings and trauma that causes you to kind of like isolate and be like, I'm cutting that off.
01:00:46
Speaker 2: I'm not dealing with that.
01:00:47
Speaker 3: I'm not going down that road because I know where that could lead if it's funny shit happening, and I don't want it to go there, right, so you just rather just fuck it.
01:00:55
Speaker 1: I'm not fucking with nobody. This shit is weird. Yeah, you're doing weird shit. You're doing sneaky shit, and you can't get with you. No. I put it on the table, bro. If you feel this way, you know what I'm saying, Let's be men about it. Let's be men about it. If it's the money, asked me for a raise that never happened, right, that's never happened. How's it the money? It's not the money? Yeah? Yeah. I sat across from him at Angela Yeeze and I was like, yo, y'all said something about the money, And the first thing that came out was it was never about the money. I thought we was friends. If we friends, then what's up with this? Right? Right? Yeah, that's not friendly, you know what I'm saying.
01:01:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, now I'm not gonna lie. You was definitely you know, when you started your podcast, you know, based off of just your your history and battle Rap, for you to have the success that you had in podcasting, it was dope to see because I'm like, you know, Math, you had the you had the monica of he's the bully of battle Rap, he gonna come in, he might fuck the vent up, this, that and the third. But then seeing my expert opinion and the way you were on in the way you carry yourself, the way you were having conversations, the people that you had on it was a whole different side of you that I think that Battle Rap fans that.
01:02:08
Speaker 1: Found you got to see.
01:02:10
Speaker 3: They never knew that you had that side of you of like, Okay, Math can sit down and not fuck the room up and have a healthy conversation.
01:02:19
Speaker 1: Like I said, I think people misunderstood. You know, you see something from Afar, you don't know what it is. Close to it now now it's up close and personal. Now it's just not me versus your favorite battle rapper. You gotta share against me. Me sitting across from your favorite rapper. We're having a conversation, right, so you get to see a different side. It's not really a bully persona. I'm a protector. One of my earliest memories is it's me trying to fight a dude off my mom's because he was trying to rape her. You do you know what I'm saying, Like, up until the last time I even had to get active on anybody to a female out with my girl and some guys touching her inappropriately. M hm, that could go wrong. You know what I'm saying, Oh, you got the podcast that you shouldn't be out on the streets doing this. But I'm a protector, and I've always felt like I'm not gonna allow anybody to do nothing. I'm not gonna allow any give give niggas space or make niggas.
01:03:28
Speaker 2: Be do funny ship to harm anybody. I'm right, So.
01:03:34
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if you understand it, you understand it, if you don't.
01:03:37
Speaker 3: I listen a lot of this that you do were talking about I had no idea, but it's given me a lot of clarity on a lot of things. But I do like the fact that you recognize because that's a big part of it.
01:03:48
Speaker 2: And when did you start to recognize that that it is trump?
01:03:53
Speaker 1: Just looking back because it's a recurrent thing that happened in my life m hm, reoccurring where it'll be me and a group of people, and then it be me by myself, be me and a group of people, then it be me by myself, and just looking back, like how did I judge this? How do other people judge this? Okay, they don't understand that I see it this way. The only people that understand that it's niggas that that have been through certain ship, Like now fuck with that? Like the street niggas around me is like, nah, fucking niggas And I'm like yo, but and this I guess this is this is something different, But in a way it's not mm hmm because the same way that I could be open about certain ship, I feel like other people should be too. Right. So if I'm reaching out to you, you've got a problem, let's talk about it, right, I shouldn't be sitting downstairs at Quad for hours, you not answering your phone, you know what I'm saying. Mm hmm.
01:05:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, because with somebody like you, now you you start to thinking, yeah, it starts going different places like yo' what's has up?
01:05:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like now you're going to yeah.
01:05:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, it's just this year and I gotta think. I gotta thank God. I gotta thank God because that's that's part of it. That's what gives you that that understanding, that that strength, because going through stuff like that, you feel alone, you feel you know what I mean, not not necessarily a victim, but you're like, damn, I gotta handle this ship or deal with the ship on my own. And this year has been a crazy year for me. Crazy yeah, both personal and business, both personal and business like health wise, I find out uh stuff about stuff about my health that requires urgent attention, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, the end of last year, me and my wife, she ain't got a ring on my wife, we lost a child. It was it was just a rough Sorry, the lights going out in the shop. It's just like nigga, stop, It's just like God telling me stop, stop, look around. She just falling apart. Stop. You think about this. You try to keep this going, go take care of that, you know what I mean? So for everybody else, because I haven't been as vocal because I'm not the type to go vent. So I don't trust people, you know what I mean. Even saying this ship right now, it's like I might actually all to delete something later.
01:07:02
Speaker 2: Well, I it's appreciated that you sharing it.
01:07:03
Speaker 1: You did what I'm saying, So I don't. I don't trust things on vents. So they look at it like, MA just heat just on his own ship. Everybody deals with their own ship. That's why I'm realizing, like whatever they was going through at the time, maybe.
01:07:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was that yeah, and that real way, that's what we're we're looking at.
01:07:25
Speaker 4: That's also what was kind of rough sometimes with this podcast and ship, where you are so open about your life, but there's certain ship you I got to keep to myself. Y'all may not understand in the comments what the fuck I'm going through at the time. Everyone judgmental of every move you make. It it's like you don't even know what I'm dealing with on the other side in my life. Here's another because you think I put everything out on a microphone, Nah, I don't the ship that I'm going through that I would never fucking tell you about.
01:07:49
Speaker 3: Here's another layer to it all. And I do appreciate you, Math for getting so vulnerable with us. But the very interesting thing about you, Math is you come from a world where.
01:08:02
Speaker 2: They'll weaponize your trauma against you.
01:08:04
Speaker 1: Definitely battle round Definitely they'll hear you say something to be like, what is this episode is two rounds?
01:08:13
Speaker 3: This episode is too real?
01:08:16
Speaker 2: Ship though? This is two.
01:08:17
Speaker 1: Rounds, right, this episode is two rounds.
01:08:20
Speaker 3: But the fact that you're at a place now in your life where you like, because.
01:08:25
Speaker 1: Like you just said, we all got our ship. Yeah, we're all going through ship. People watching right now all going somebody is.
01:08:32
Speaker 3: Like yeah, but they and somebody is hearing this and saying, damn, mathis this dude that always got this persona too?
01:08:40
Speaker 2: But he he dealing with real ship too.
01:08:43
Speaker 3: He going through real shit too. And you saying that that's God cutting the lights off. It's powerful, bro, because that's real, Like yo, bro, relaxed, sit down, go handle this. This is more important. So I just appreciate you understanding that, and and you know to know that you're looking at it like that and that perspective is very healthy. You're looking at it from a very very healthy point of view, a very healthy perspective.
01:09:08
Speaker 2: You have to you have to, man, because listen, this.
01:09:11
Speaker 1: Is otherwise what do you get? The fuck do you end up? Well?
01:09:13
Speaker 2: Outlets?
01:09:14
Speaker 4: Are you using to process that type of stuff? I'm not saying publicly anything like that, Like, how are you with everything that's going.
01:09:21
Speaker 2: You've gone through this year?
01:09:23
Speaker 1: I have, I have. I have some good mentorship. That's good, some good mentorship people that keep me level headed. And people don't understand like the episodes I've been doing what they call him bucket at man, uncle Seth. Okay, ye, like when I'm going through and he just listen, man, you're doing it to yourself. Man, right right, why are you even stressing about that? Man? Right? You don't don't forget you. You did this and you did that and sometimes I need to hear that. How long have you had a relationship me and Seth? About twelve years now? Oh?
01:10:01
Speaker 2: Goody somewhere you really know?
01:10:03
Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, so you know my girl, my kids, you know, thank God for my daughters because your girl dad, Yeah, I'm a girl dad. You don't know that I thought you don't have no sons. Yeah, I got two sons.
01:10:24
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
01:10:26
Speaker 1: I thought you just had a old girl, right, Nah girl, Dad, I love my girls. Man Yeah again. Protective yeah, protector. Yeah, that's worried about that too, Like, yeah, how do they.
01:10:38
Speaker 2: Do everything just being on the internet at old fucking times.
01:10:42
Speaker 1: Uh, Pooty, Poody sees this ship all the daughter. She don't go looking at my ship.
01:10:48
Speaker 2: Okay.
01:10:49
Speaker 1: Pooty's like she's the researcher my dad. You know what I'm saying, Like, Pooty is a protector. Yes, Poody is the second me. He's the second me, you know what I mean. And I realized, like my purpose at this point is making sure they're good, absolutely, and that comes first and foremost, absolutely above everything. Well, first I got to make sure I'm good because if I ain't good, right, But once I put myself back in that perspective, it's helped me, Like, Okay, now I can I'm going to the shop and I'm doing episodes. This is the purpose, you know what I'm saying. Before It's like I kind of lost that, but I kind of lost that, but I got it back.
01:11:49
Speaker 4: At what point you felt like you lost it? You're saying more the passion of even wanting to do the ship.
01:11:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you've had that talk of not wanting to do it, like with yourself.
01:11:59
Speaker 1: I honestly wanted to get to the point where other people go host the show and I just fade into the background because for me, it's years of stuff. But when when we lost the kid, I was telling people, I was like, Yo, I'm not mentally I'm out of here. I'm wearing a fucking mask right now, you know what I mean? And I don't think they understood the depth of it. I think you would have to be a parent understand what that feels like. So yeah, so there's a lot of misunderstandings between these situations. We commended to have a reunion episode. But you know, if it's at the point where you know, you go your way, I go mind. I know I still have my purpose and whatever your purpose is, I hope you're living in that, and I wish it was the best. Just don't use me anymore, right you know?
01:13:07
Speaker 8: Yeah?
01:13:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes total sense. That makes understand that.
01:13:10
Speaker 4: I mean, ship with with with all that perspective in that hindsight, what's the direction of the show now, because you know you went through different casts, you went through everything that you were going through personally.
01:13:21
Speaker 2: I love you got a lot of the battle rap guys on. I love that.
01:13:24
Speaker 4: I think that a reoccurring character on everything.
01:13:28
Speaker 2: Zi is one of the greatest personality. It's hilarious. That's the part to me, is you and.
01:13:37
Speaker 3: Zip are the perf because y'all, y'all are like Ying and Yang, but like y'all are also so similar in a lot of ways.
01:13:45
Speaker 2: Is it is just a good dude to like. I think Zip is a star.
01:13:48
Speaker 3: I think star Zip is a star, And I think that y'all can both help each other in ways that y'all not even y'all don't even recognize yet.
01:13:55
Speaker 1: I mean I would, I would love to matter f. I don't have a problem with helping. Yeah, you know what I mean. He texts me he has to be about equipment and all that. Yeah, I'll tell him. Yeah, this is a nigga that said that I got pistol punching the face and took my gun and pistol. You know what I'm saying, the fact that y'all was able to sit down, Yeah, that wasn't about that.
01:14:14
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying, Like I love that part of it. Like once I saw y'all sitting down, I was like, I love this ship, which I will give Math credit. People do do that bully mentality with him.
01:14:23
Speaker 4: He battled those again, like you've done a lot of redemption ship that I feel like people overlook.
01:14:28
Speaker 1: But it's not in that regards, you know, Yeah, what's the best big.
01:14:33
Speaker 2: Of an asshole? I feel like people make you out to be something definitely not like.
01:14:36
Speaker 3: When I it's still a different but like some qualities, but we forget that a lot of the time. The Internet, you know, and YouTube and things and social media comments, like a lot of these people really don't come from, you know, the place we come from.
01:14:56
Speaker 2: So somebody like me from where I'm.
01:14:59
Speaker 3: From and then where you from looking at you, I understand it.
01:15:02
Speaker 1: I get it.
01:15:03
Speaker 2: I'm like a nigga. I grew up with niggas like this.
01:15:05
Speaker 3: Like I know Math is not a bad guy. Like I tell you, I'm like, Math ain't a bad guy. Math ain't gonna let you just do anything and just you know, just just just fuck him over.
01:15:14
Speaker 2: And you know he ain't gonna let that happen.
01:15:16
Speaker 1: Either Adam and I was about to, Yo, you're gonna give me a date when y'all, I.
01:15:22
Speaker 4: Was wondering why we wasn't invited to the what they call it the slaughter House of podcasts, Potter House, like Potterhouse was like.
01:15:32
Speaker 1: I got cut out of it. I got cut out of it.
01:15:35
Speaker 3: But this is why Math is funny because Math has saying ship like, I'm like your Math, we're gonna do the show, like we definitely come to do it.
01:15:42
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking if.
01:15:43
Speaker 3: You know me, you know if I say that, because I don't do interviews nowhere, So if I tell you I'm coming to do an interview with you know, for.
01:15:48
Speaker 2: Last I said any time you're ready, I'm ready to that's my nigga.
01:15:51
Speaker 1: We're gonna do Math but Math.
01:15:52
Speaker 3: But because Math don't know and Math is still thinking again it's industry ship.
01:15:56
Speaker 1: He like what nigga win that is know what I'm saying. Your map queens flipping your button flash back?
01:16:03
Speaker 2: No, no, no, never, never that happened.
01:16:06
Speaker 3: We definitely were definitely coming on and do your ship because yeah, no, definitely we're definitely coming to do my extraitent opinion because again, we just we fuck with what you're doing. And I love the way you came back bringing the battle rap guys on having. I love the conversation you and Goods had.
01:16:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was great. I love seeing y'all talk and have the conversation y'all had.
01:16:25
Speaker 1: Part of the redemption.
01:16:26
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yes, having.
01:16:29
Speaker 1: The conversations explain let me explain.
01:16:32
Speaker 3: Right right right, And I think I think you doing that going that angle with, especially with the guys that you done went to wars with and have years of you know, just back and forth. Let's sit down and have a conversation and let's talk about it. Because we're all older, we all men there, we all have families, we're all trying to take care of our families, trying to protect our families and things like that. So seeing you have those conversations, I'm not gonna lie fuck with that.
01:16:56
Speaker 1: Man, that's like some super dope shit you're doing that. It's necessary, Absolutely, it's necessary. I might not be the most knowledgeable person about the music industry or you know, half of the topics that most podcasts talk about. Well, one thing I understand is that these conversations become an example. Yeah sure, yeah, And if you watch me, and you a math hoffa fan, and you've been following me for years, and you see me do that, maybe it might influence you to do that in your own exactly. You know what I mean exactly. So that's my contribution tomorrow, audience.
01:17:35
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01:18:48
Speaker 4: Before we Let you Go, I had a lot of people hit me on a battle rap take up.
01:18:52
Speaker 2: We recently had.
01:18:54
Speaker 4: I think your third round against Hollow is top five probably of all time.
01:19:02
Speaker 2: And this was coming off.
01:19:03
Speaker 3: The oh we spoke about that years ago.
01:19:07
Speaker 2: Let me land it.
01:19:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, we were talking about hit Man versus Mook and that third round from hit Man when he was bringing up the allegations, and I was saying, the difference between the response of how everyone looked at Hollow fucking crazy after that third round versus how nobody gave a fuck about the allegations about Mouk was one of the wildest things I've seen in battle rap. And I'm a battle rap casual fan because I know that the hardcore fans would kill me if they ever said, I'm a fan. I'm not like y'all. I'm a casual fan. I love battle rap, but I'm not that deep into it. But I have to give some pushback and criticism of that fan base, Like y'all didn't give a fuck about that third round unless everything Hollow did that you said with some foul as shit. You smoked that round from a creative but to a fact level was crazy. Everyone was like, yo, Hollow's fall as fuck. I didn't see one person.
01:20:03
Speaker 1: Say I'm gonna tell you why, all right, hollows. The difference between Hitman crafting around like that me crafting around like that is Hollow's whole image was loyalty over money, so bra So if you're gonna battle Hollow and you attack his loyalty, the fans are gonna give you that. That's the point, right murder Mook was never out here like I'm the best.
01:20:36
Speaker 7: Hunts been easy, phenomenal.
01:20:47
Speaker 9: Dad wasn't doing that. You shut up the move that's he wasn't doing that.
01:20:58
Speaker 1: So so one and we when we hear it, it's like, wonder is the people that's skeptical is it real and two, it's like, is this gonna win you this battle? Like I feel like what hip Man did was kind of like what I call it dem mock the death touch, Like he's gonna walk away, but maybe he's gonna battle somebody down the line that's gonna know how to take that information and use it against him the right way. The way hip Man did it, it was like, all right, you're not gonna win the battle like this, bro, Nobody believed that he was the greatest dad. We saw him getting arrested. You're just you're just kind of telling us what we already like, you know what I mean. We saw in the crib, like okay, all right, nobody thought was like the best dad in the world. So yeah, you got any got anything else for us? And it was like, yo, I get that.
01:22:00
Speaker 2: I guess.
01:22:00
Speaker 4: The last question I want to ask is what I've seen recently from just pod fans, is that your focus more on music than you are on podcasting, and people may want more potting from you than music, just of what internet comments is, but it's just internet comments.
01:22:19
Speaker 2: Is that more your focus or is potting more your focus?
01:22:23
Speaker 1: It's hard for me to accept that. Rap. It's like a hobby.
01:22:30
Speaker 2: Now it's hard to accept that, you know, I think that was the beautiful thing.
01:22:35
Speaker 1: Though it's not beautiful if you still be dreaming about this podcast, you know.
01:22:51
Speaker 2: Not to say we sit here and gossip.
01:22:54
Speaker 1: Shout out the platinum, shout out the S five. I pretty much paid the rent for two years because I love creating music. I don't think people really ain't never really seen me in that element, you know what I mean. I bring in multiple producers and have shit orchestrated in it. And you know, I got one hundred and eighty records sitting around a ton of features that I haven't released. I got to get over this fucking complex. But in a way, I ALWASO have to accept that this is the primary child.
01:23:28
Speaker 2: But to me, that's that's perspective.
01:23:30
Speaker 4: I think that's actually the blessing of the whole shit, where rap being a hobby should be looked at as a positive thing, where you could keep your overhead and your bills and make sure your kids are good based off doing the pod shit. Now you've got free range to do what the fuck you want with music. You don't got to chase shit. You don't have to fucking all right, I gotta make this type of song because this is what's going to be profitable. Like, I think that puts you in the best position ever to make music because it's not your livelihood. Like to me, that's the blessing. Like, thank god I could be a podcaster, so I could finally not look at music as it has to be a monetary value.
01:24:04
Speaker 2: There right in this process you could create. I can do what the fun I want to do, just creating.
01:24:09
Speaker 3: It, not from a place of like, you know, surviving, like I got to do this to make money and to survive and live. Like you can create from a space of you know, I just want to have fun with this ship and create dope music.
01:24:21
Speaker 1: But then for me, it's somebody connected to my music, and I want to shout out my bro Hands. I told Hands years ago, I'm talking about early NYB days, battling wrecks, all that shit. I said, Yo, if I ever got in a position where I can introduce you to the world, I'm gonna do it. So when the podcast started picking up, I started a label, DFG Records, and I signed my bro and we've been all over the place recording and all that. When he got stage four, cancer. When he found out that he had stage four cancer, it threw me. But he's fighting and he's beating the ship, so hopefully we'll get his music out soon. But you know, it's a different I'm connected to people that I feel like I have to do it for, so.
01:25:17
Speaker 2: It can't just be a hobby, right.
01:25:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Hands is like he's like the locks rolled up in one person. Brooklyn, Yeah, Brooklyn Hands.
01:25:26
Speaker 3: About to say, I feel like I heard of this Hands Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah.
01:25:31
Speaker 1: All J pain to me is like Hans Junior really really because that pain, No, the first thing that came was Hands, and they the vocal tune and all that. I'm telling you, like, you have to check them out, all J. You get mad at me if you want, you can't smoke me. The one of us. So what you going through? Pain is nice?
01:25:54
Speaker 2: Now that pain is one of them.
01:25:56
Speaker 1: Dude. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, that's cool. Just me alone. Time ago, it was so corny. Oh my god, this nigga shot a video. He had on a three quarter leather vest with no shirt, looked like a like a lost Jodasy member. When in the part where he dissed me, he threw a center plot into a puddle. You lucky you took that ship down over the end of that nig. You are so lucky.
01:26:27
Speaker 3: That gotta be funny, though, like we living like the moments when you got this, like as you're old, and be like, yo, what what the because in my mind I'm still picturing this center block falling a puddle in slow motion and it just splashed, and I'm.
01:26:41
Speaker 1: Like, what the fuck this got to do with me? Dog? The fuck is this me?
01:26:50
Speaker 10: Yo?
01:26:50
Speaker 1: This is somebody?
01:26:52
Speaker 3: Like that art form of dissing each other is so crazy when you go back and just look at it and be like, yeah, was.
01:26:58
Speaker 1: That what was that? That rain man? But what was that rain Man?
01:27:04
Speaker 10: He was.
01:27:06
Speaker 1: Rain Man took a shot in the three quarter eleven vests and no ship.
01:27:12
Speaker 4: I got it to a math while he's here. I've had so I have a two year old daughter, right, and sometimes I, like, you know, sleep next to her crib with it open, just just so she could go to sleep with me there. But I put my AirPod in, so I put on like a podcast sometimes that.
01:27:27
Speaker 2: Should helped me go to sleep.
01:27:29
Speaker 4: So I put on some of y'all ship and then you know, you can't really do the algorithm ship.
01:27:33
Speaker 2: So sometimes I go back to an old Math.
01:27:36
Speaker 4: Episode so I'll be halfway already do and it's.
01:27:48
Speaker 1: Hard for complaints about that shot.
01:28:01
Speaker 4: And not be feeling bad for me because mech claims being that he is a backpack rapper, and I'm like Dan Matt is lying in his rhymes he hanged with the backpackers.
01:28:12
Speaker 3: No more.
01:28:14
Speaker 4: The amount of times I've jumped up next to my daughter's crib based off that first.
01:28:18
Speaker 2: Part when it goes from one.
01:28:19
Speaker 4: Interview good time she was asleep, I was trying to make sure I wasn't getting shot in the crib yo yo map.
01:28:29
Speaker 3: Let's talk about somebody like we were just finishing smack Man. The importance of Smack not just to batter rapp culture, but to our culture period. And when he's let it do for years, coming from the DVD era to now having the caffeine app and things like that, what he's doing with the how important is it that we continue to support people like Smack that have been doing it for so many years and have created so many opportunities for people in the culture.
01:28:56
Speaker 1: I think it's very important, But at the same time, I think it's important to support the culture period. Shout out to Smack. I was one of the battle rappers on the DVD absolutely battling Iron Solomon. I had the DVD, of course, the viral ship with Dose and.
01:29:17
Speaker 2: One time I actually feel like you were not wrong whatsoever.
01:29:20
Speaker 1: One time?
01:29:20
Speaker 4: Which time at the dose one? Okay, the serious thing I to have, like that's wrong if you ever met him. No, that's actually hilarious response, which I respect. Like ship, yes.
01:29:39
Speaker 1: Fair ship.
01:29:40
Speaker 4: When everyone's wilding out back in the day and I was like, you know, somebody put their whole fucking bring of their hat in your nose.
01:29:44
Speaker 2: You're not gonna hit them.
01:29:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely gave me the Scottie pit. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But it's very important because I feel like battle rap in a way, Smack, you r L all other Battle League support lyricism, and we can't let this ship die, bro, We just can't. We grew up loving the bars and something something happened to you chemically, like your mind expanded when you heard a dope bar, or you figured out a complex metaphor, you know what I mean. And it takes a level of intelligence, and I feel like there's a there's a lot of motherfuckers depending on who you listen to as far as rap, like I kind of tell like where you're at mentally.
01:30:36
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's why I think a lot of great lyricists have become good podcasters. Not only it made sense why your ship popped, it's the same part of the brain why a lot of great lyricists have become great businessmen.
01:30:49
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm mmm. So I feel like it's an element that needs to stay now when I say support all all leagues, because there's only so much Smack can do and it's a lot of talent. So sometimes you need an RBE, you need a TBL, you need these other leagues. That's like, yeah, gonna keep shit going, you know what I mean? So yeah, Smack shout out to Smack. What he did. I was the first battle on U or L Me and Rex. So to see where it is now, it's like credible, incredible. They've been trying to get me to come back, but you ain't.
01:31:28
Speaker 2: You ain't gonna jump back in the ring.
01:31:30
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about it. Who would it be on Edge? But this episode, I don't know if I want to hear this ship back.
01:31:37
Speaker 3: You know, man said listen man, you because you got you got like you said, you you got a lot of shit on other niggas too that you can go home and start crafting too. Yeah, but who is the one battle that you would jump out there for, like, yeah, we gotta do this, Like, who's the one guy that you would be like all right for him?
01:31:55
Speaker 2: Because we know they'll be big. It'll be a moment Jada kiss, Oh so you're not even going to yeah, just.
01:32:01
Speaker 11: Through you right, Yeah, I'm wait hold of it, just like I wasn't Expectator. Yes, I was like a ten million yeah Jacob, I mean yeah.
01:32:15
Speaker 1: But all right seriously, because I don't think Jada would.
01:32:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think he's in that moment.
01:32:19
Speaker 1: I would love, however, the Legends only thing that I did with Method Man, yeah and Nikki Jam I would love, like because I know there's a like I interviewed ghost Face and Ray last night, and ghost Face wants to do that ship. He wanted to jump in the ring. He wants to do that ship. Ray was like kind of like, yah, man, I don't you know what I mean? Ten million, you know what I mean? But I feel like there's a lot of rappers just like Yo. I would love to put myself to that type of challenge. I feel like the Legends only ship. It's like it's more artistic than your career is over.
01:32:58
Speaker 2: After Yeah, you know, I almost like Big three rap thing with.
01:33:03
Speaker 1: And it's this like half of the guests that I've had on the show watch battle Rap and that's why I was able to get them, you know what I mean. So I would love to do something like that, Like.
01:33:16
Speaker 3: Ghost Face makes sense because battle rap, like you said when you when you battle recks on your the first where battle rap was there, you know you came up with, battling was different than it is now.
01:33:30
Speaker 1: Now.
01:33:30
Speaker 3: It's more like like spoken word poetry.
01:33:33
Speaker 2: It's a lot more.
01:33:36
Speaker 3: Theatrics and two it and things like that. You come from straight going to somebody block. Let me hear your boss, right, So somebody like ghost is very animated. He has a lot of character that has a lot of personality. He makes sense in that ring because what people like to see today in battle rap. Ghost Face has been that problem his entire career.
01:33:56
Speaker 4: He also was one of like the clearest voices ever, like where Ray has like a un orthodox flow and that would be that may be weird on on the stage. Ghosts like he's made for the U r L stage.
01:34:08
Speaker 2: Now he wants he want to cry you.
01:34:12
Speaker 1: Whatever y'all do. Don't battle ray On, he said on the show about what type of battle rap he would be battle. Do not battle ray On. That's all I'm saying. Are we gonna do voicemails with math?
01:34:28
Speaker 5: All right?
01:34:28
Speaker 2: Let's so so maw.
01:34:29
Speaker 3: We got callers that call only voicemails to ask for advice, asks crazy ship, So we're gonna do one with you.
01:34:34
Speaker 2: We could all give him some advice together. You've got mail.
01:34:38
Speaker 10: So I was born with a defect that pretty much makes it impossible for me to get erections because I have a leak in my veins and down there pumps in it just right back out. So you can't get directions obviously because bluff slow doesn't stay where it needs to stay, and so I trying to get surgery on it done to try to tie the vein up.
01:35:04
Speaker 1: This a man like, we're still why still playing this? Bro? I want to hear why the fuck is he acting? Y'all? He's like, you know, hegas like, yeah, these niggas look like they got erect out this folks. You know they went through something. Let me ask these niggas.
01:35:26
Speaker 2: I got to.
01:35:29
Speaker 10: Look, said, my real last option is trying to get a prosthetic. We's not this guytic penus because when you get the prosthetic, you don't get any more natural erections. You still come and everything, and you still feel everything that is the doctors, but you don't get natural erections. And I feel like that's such an important part of.
01:35:55
Speaker 8: Being a man, is just being able to get hard on you know, of it down and baby d would you like be with the guy that has a prosthetic penis?
01:36:06
Speaker 10: Like if you knew about it, would like to tear you.
01:36:11
Speaker 2: All right. I don't want to apologize for laughing. I like too the condition. It was a natural reaction. I apologize for laughing.
01:36:17
Speaker 5: Yes, it's not.
01:36:20
Speaker 2: You can start stopping first.
01:36:23
Speaker 1: He's not funny.
01:36:28
Speaker 6: Funny what if you did couldn't get hard Would you think that this guy's.
01:36:33
Speaker 1: Yes, that wouldn't be calling. Let's start there the best kept secret in the world, nigga, would I A.
01:36:41
Speaker 6: Wouldn't figure out the secret because he called anonymously.
01:36:44
Speaker 5: We don't have his name.
01:36:46
Speaker 12: Say his name with the doc in the d n V. He said, get this nigga, honey back, Bro, what is going on in fact exists?
01:36:59
Speaker 1: Niggah.
01:37:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have kept that to myself and just got the prosthetic and nobody would have ever known.
01:37:04
Speaker 2: That would have just been my secret to the grade.
01:37:06
Speaker 6: Is it a prosthetic or is it a penis pump? Like do you have to squeeze.
01:37:09
Speaker 8: Your laws up?
01:37:11
Speaker 4: But I don't even know what that means? Name Frank, that was a battle triple on me personally.
01:37:22
Speaker 6: If you want to know if I would date somebody with a prosthetic, as long as it wasn't too weird looking inside and as long as I.
01:37:29
Speaker 4: Mean, you probably still prostheticic though I really don't even know what the funk that is.
01:37:32
Speaker 6: Like, that's what I'm saying. I don't think he's got a prosthetic, like I think he's.
01:37:35
Speaker 4: Getting like the way like when soldiers come home after they get their leg blown off, Like it's that version of a dick.
01:37:42
Speaker 2: It's Lieutenant Dan of dis Yeah, it's the same.
01:37:45
Speaker 1: What are we talking about, bro?
01:37:47
Speaker 2: Like, well, not if you can still feel it though he could do numbers though he.
01:37:52
Speaker 4: Could anyway you talk about that ship, that might be the best option if you could still feel it still come and you like you break all the time.
01:38:03
Speaker 3: Oh, it's in searching of a prosthetic balloon device. It was the order to obtain.
01:38:08
Speaker 2: Okay.
01:38:08
Speaker 3: So it's like a rebox, like a pumping up. It's like a rebox pump. Okay, first group.
01:38:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
01:38:22
Speaker 2: I would have just got that ship and not told nobody.
01:38:24
Speaker 6: Man, Yeah, I think you squeezed the balls when you want to get hard, like it's like a pump.
01:38:28
Speaker 1: This is where we're going.
01:38:30
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, sir, I would just say get it and then don't tell nobody.
01:38:35
Speaker 6: Don't no half flashed dick, like we've been there before.
01:38:37
Speaker 1: That ship is ass half flashed?
01:38:40
Speaker 3: What what that's when it's like not all the way a little medium, Yeah, like you ain't all the way up, but you are right.
01:38:46
Speaker 5: Slim through a keyhole.
01:38:48
Speaker 2: You get it done.
01:38:50
Speaker 1: Jello to the wall, a lesbian less lesbian.
01:38:54
Speaker 2: Let's being all right, man, listen, man, we appreciate you, no advice, no wed one.
01:39:02
Speaker 4: We apologize for laughing to Yeah, get the surgery and and and you know, just get to it. Go crazy because now you can just get hard whenever you want. Pause like you good nigga name is frank little.
01:39:16
Speaker 5: I'm so sorry that we have you.
01:39:18
Speaker 2: Can you your question when maybe a third round against against him with this information that.
01:39:22
Speaker 3: You old bat battle wrap about the prosthetic.
01:39:26
Speaker 2: You can't battle wrap. I have the prosthetic, and niggas find out. Yeah, because I heard Mooke give Iron Solomon.
01:39:31
Speaker 3: He was about to say something, whoa, whoa, whoa.
01:39:36
Speaker 4: I heard a whole round where Mooke talked about Iron Solomon having one ball.
01:39:40
Speaker 1: I wouldn't spend that. If I was Mook, I wouldn't. I would have been like, nah, I ain't. No, I'm not going that angle right doing my nigga Like you're inadvertently making the crowd think about this niggas j T. Yeah, why what, I'm just.
01:39:54
Speaker 2: Leading with how you got the balls?
01:39:55
Speaker 1: Sad?
01:39:55
Speaker 2: Next week's like, I don't even know if it was worth that line.
01:39:57
Speaker 1: Yeah it was.
01:39:57
Speaker 2: It wasn't really worth and I mean they should have done five rounds.
01:40:00
Speaker 1: Like you move on some terrible angles man, He's dope, but terrible.
01:40:06
Speaker 2: Before we leave, give me your mount rushmore a battle.
01:40:09
Speaker 1: Rat math HAF for math, half for MATHILF for math, half for math.
01:40:11
Speaker 2: All right, the next mountain over.
01:40:13
Speaker 3: Next the question of who I would battle. Yeah, you said Jadakiss and then and I.
01:40:19
Speaker 1: Was really serious about the Jada Kiss ship. I did that ship. I said that years ago, and he kind of sent me a d M like what is you talking? I did you know? Just that's just for kicks. I would definitely I think murder Mook would be the battle I say I'm going to do.
01:40:37
Speaker 4: I was hoping that would be the one that you did, so that's the one. I've yeah that from that Mook is more active. I felt like you and him makes the most sense at this point with the history, with y'all legacy, that that ship just makes just so many that's that's the one that that's so many years a battle rat history right there on like battling each other. Jesus like everyone's waiting again for part two of Move and Lux. To me is math and Move now in this era is the one that everybody would wait for.
01:41:07
Speaker 1: I think I think his pen is at now skipping over that iron Solomon and ship. Where his pen is at? Now, that's what I would need to like really push myself, you know what I mean.
01:41:23
Speaker 3: And he's not I think just man, he sounded drinking. He's not drinking his ship and I'm not drinking fire.
01:41:29
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, we'd be too sober assed fire so staged. Yeah, gotta be crazy people get me the Battle of tay Rock. But I'm like, tell you, I like, but.
01:41:40
Speaker 2: I just think.
01:41:41
Speaker 1: I think.
01:41:41
Speaker 2: I think with you and Mok is just more there.
01:41:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, because tay Rock doesn't even understand how bad of a matchup that is. Like you're the guy who almost fights niggas versus.
01:41:57
Speaker 2: The God, Like, what are you gonna say to me?
01:42:02
Speaker 1: Shut up? Shut up, get somebody to hold you back.
01:42:05
Speaker 4: But I mean, I also hear you on that because as much as I liked tay Rock, I hated when he was battling Daylight and like was appreciating his bars. I hate it when Iron Solomon a battled Disaster and kept complimenting him, Like, I just don't.
01:42:21
Speaker 2: I just don't like that type of ship.
01:42:23
Speaker 4: It's supposed to be, like y'all are supposed even if you're lying, if it's if it's wrestling each other, Like, yeah, I think it's.
01:42:30
Speaker 1: That's the problem. That's the problem. For me to be motivated, it's either got to be somebody who I feel like, yo all right, I got to push the pen or I really don't like you. If I really don't like you, you die. The battle is better. Yeah you're dead.
01:42:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, well man, if we appreciate you, man, this conversation was beautiful, man, A lot of clarity. Yeah, man, this was this was long overdue. So we definitely I appreciate y'all. Yeah, man, I appreciate you. We definitely gotta come. I don't know, Damn, we talked about so much real ship here the fucking we talk about math.
01:43:01
Speaker 4: No, it's gonna be the I come up with something that's the thumbnail should be the therapy session of Math.
01:43:12
Speaker 3: Definitely was the therapy session for Math. But seriously, Math, man, I appreciate you just being vulnerable and having this conversation with us. Man, it was beautiful. I think that a lot of people are going to learn a lot from you, a different perspective of math, a different side of math. Love everything you're doing. Love to love to revamp the way you came back. Definitely keep bringing the guys from the Battle culture on there and having those conversations, because that, to me is super fire. Seeing y'all sit down and have those conversations away from the battle arena and yeah, we come to do your ship, so we'll see you in a minute.
01:43:45
Speaker 1: Give me I'm that nigga.
01:43:47
Speaker 2: He's just ginger.
01:43:48
Speaker 1: That's math high, absolute