Predilections

WEBVTT
1
00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:37.399
Hey, folks, thanks so much for checking into the Neutral
2
00:00:37.439 --> 00:00:40.479
Zone Hotel. We are an unapologetically left leaning podcast the
3
00:00:40.560 --> 00:00:43.200
examines hockey at its best and worst. My name is Benjamin.
4
00:00:44.039 --> 00:00:46.320
My pronouns are he m. I'm a Montreal Canadian's not
5
00:00:46.439 --> 00:00:51.079
a charge fan, and I have not yet prepared a
6
00:00:51.119 --> 00:00:53.200
bit for tonight, so I'm just gonna kick on over
7
00:00:53.240 --> 00:00:53.759
to Madison.
8
00:00:54.520 --> 00:00:58.560
Hi. I'm Madison. My pronouns are she they. I am
9
00:00:58.759 --> 00:01:03.520
a University of Denver hockey and maybe an Avalanche fan,
10
00:01:04.280 --> 00:01:06.719
to be determined based on the result of the game
11
00:01:06.920 --> 00:01:07.959
happening as we record.
12
00:01:09.319 --> 00:01:13.159
And we've also got the truant SJA with us SJA.
13
00:01:14.959 --> 00:01:20.879
Hi, I am SJ. I am a various Seattle teams
14
00:01:20.959 --> 00:01:26.359
hockey fan. My prowns are they them, And I'm very
15
00:01:26.359 --> 00:01:31.200
pleased to report that the Everett Silver Tips are WHL champions.
16
00:01:31.519 --> 00:01:36.040
Yay, absolutely, so we can start there. I know you
17
00:01:36.040 --> 00:01:38.519
want to talk about the Tips a bit, but quite
18
00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:42.959
a powerful season from them. They basically dominated the entire WHL.
19
00:01:43.719 --> 00:01:49.079
Yes, that's right, so they Yeah, they basically killed it
20
00:01:49.120 --> 00:01:53.000
all season in the regular season, and then they only
21
00:01:53.120 --> 00:01:57.599
lost two games in the playoffs, one of which I
22
00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:01.120
was unfortunately at I'd like to prefer when they lose
23
00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:05.640
on the road. But yeah, they did drop that first
24
00:02:05.719 --> 00:02:14.319
game of the final against Prince Albert, but you know
25
00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:18.080
then they then they won the next four. So for
26
00:02:18.240 --> 00:02:22.520
all forgiven, all forgiven. Uh, yeah it was. It was
27
00:02:22.599 --> 00:02:27.199
such a great season. It's really nice to just like
28
00:02:29.080 --> 00:02:34.400
cheer for a winning team. I don't never had that before.
29
00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:41.919
Oh yeah, it was great. So they're they're now at
30
00:02:41.919 --> 00:02:47.560
the Memorial Cup. I've I've decided, so like first game
31
00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:51.520
of next season, they're gonna hang two banners. They were
32
00:02:51.520 --> 00:02:57.439
both the regular season champion and w HL champion. Cannot
33
00:02:57.439 --> 00:03:02.039
be mad totally. And if they if they win in
34
00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:05.719
the Memorial Cup, that would get three. They've never been
35
00:03:05.800 --> 00:03:08.479
to the Memorial Cup before. This is their first year
36
00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:14.919
as a WHL champions. But I think but they've got
37
00:03:14.919 --> 00:03:21.240
they've got quite a challenge against uh the Kitchener Rangers,
38
00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:24.000
or as I like to call them, the knockoff Rangers,
39
00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:30.360
because for some reason, they instead of creating their own
40
00:03:30.439 --> 00:03:35.120
brand identity, they just use the New York Rangers uniforms
41
00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:40.919
like identically, which is odd. Like they're not it's it's
42
00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:44.319
not junior b I'm not sure what's up with that.
43
00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:47.159
You can actually explain why if you want to know.
44
00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:50.080
Oh yeah, and gave me some throw me some history.
45
00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:58.159
Yeah. So, the original version of the Kitchener Rangers was
46
00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:01.639
the Gwelf built Moore mad Hatters, who were an official
47
00:04:01.719 --> 00:04:05.840
farm team for the Rangers, the New York Rangers. They
48
00:04:05.960 --> 00:04:11.319
basically got rebranded a couple times, once the Biltmore's sold
49
00:04:11.360 --> 00:04:18.079
them and once they moved. Their final rebrand was in
50
00:04:18.160 --> 00:04:21.079
nineteen sixty three where they rebranded to be the Kitchener Rangers,
51
00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:25.839
where they were still a farm team, so they were
52
00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:32.199
straight up moved to Kitchener at the encouragement of the Rangers.
53
00:04:32.839 --> 00:04:34.720
They may have given the guy who bought them in
54
00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:39.480
Kitchener some money, so when the Rangers moved to Kitchener,
55
00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:43.519
they were moved at the behest of the Rangers. They
56
00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:46.120
completely rebranded at that point of the Kitchener Rangers. And
57
00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:50.839
then four years later, when the Rangers and they arrest,
58
00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:53.360
the NHL exited the original six and kind of exited
59
00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:56.720
the original farm team system. They sold the Kitchener Rangers
60
00:04:56.720 --> 00:04:59.399
to the guy running the team for one dollar. But
61
00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:01.399
he I had to keep, you know, he already had
62
00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:05.120
the branding, and that became the Rangers. So that's why
63
00:05:05.160 --> 00:05:07.920
they were a Rangers farm team, and they were owned
64
00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:14.399
by the Rangers who turned them into a copycat and
65
00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:16.680
no one has been bold enough to get rid of it.
66
00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:28.439
So to be clear, this happened when the sixties. Yeah,
67
00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:34.480
I'm rubbing my head and yeah, okay, okay, well.
68
00:05:37.040 --> 00:05:39.120
If it makes you feel better. The team they replaced
69
00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:44.000
in Kitchener were the Kitchener Canucks, which had nothing to
70
00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:47.839
do with the Vancouver Canucks because they didn't exist yet.
71
00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:51.839
But you know, beautiful, they were actually a farm team
72
00:05:51.839 --> 00:05:52.600
of the Canadians.
73
00:05:53.160 --> 00:05:54.519
Hm.
74
00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:54.759
Hm.
75
00:05:55.800 --> 00:05:57.160
Branding is hard, you guys.
76
00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:00.480
Mad hatters is fun. They should go back to matters.
77
00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:01.560
I agree.
78
00:06:01.800 --> 00:06:05.079
If you go back to like those early years, there's
79
00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:08.319
all sorts of funky names in the OHL and the
80
00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:11.360
leagues that would become the OHL because you just get
81
00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:14.839
sponsored by someone. And then also there's a bunch of
82
00:06:14.920 --> 00:06:17.160
racist names because you know, well.
83
00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:18.879
Those are bad. Those should stay gone.
84
00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:23.040
Yeah, yeah, that's not shocking.
85
00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:26.120
So what you're saying is you're not worried about the
86
00:06:26.120 --> 00:06:29.439
Blazers or Shakuta me. You're worried about the Rangers.
87
00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:34.439
The Rockets or yeah, called the Rockets. Sorry, yeah, no,
88
00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:37.759
I'm not worried about I I you know, the Rockets
89
00:06:37.800 --> 00:06:45.879
have already lost twice. They did the Tips did beat
90
00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:53.079
Chakutami uh in the round robin, and they haven't played
91
00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:56.319
the Rockets yet. But I mean, they've already proven that
92
00:06:56.319 --> 00:06:58.680
they can beat the Rockets, like they did lose one
93
00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:03.079
game to them in the playoffs. But I believe that
94
00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:07.839
they can beat the Rockets. So if they only lose
95
00:07:07.959 --> 00:07:12.319
to Kitchener and the round robin, then they're still on track.
96
00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:17.279
It's okay to drop a round one round robin game,
97
00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:21.279
but it's gonna be tough. It's gonna be tough to
98
00:07:21.319 --> 00:07:26.920
beat Kitchener. And I fully believe that that they'll be
99
00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:29.839
in the they'll be playing them for the championship.
100
00:07:30.920 --> 00:07:34.360
It sure seems that way. I'm excited to see what happens.
101
00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:38.160
I am excited as well. I'm excited. I think I
102
00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:41.600
think the Memorial Cup would be a great seventeenth birthday
103
00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:43.279
present for Landon DuPont.
104
00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:48.399
Hell, you're gonna say yourself, and I was like, that's
105
00:07:48.439 --> 00:07:51.160
an insane by about your age.
106
00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:58.000
Yeah yeah, no, definitely not seventeen. Uh yeah, that would
107
00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:03.920
be great I'm also they they I don't remember who
108
00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:07.160
they brought on that. They were saying during the intermission
109
00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:11.319
panel that there are like multiple NC Double A teams
110
00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:16.279
holding a spot for DuPont, so he has to and
111
00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:19.120
he has to choose whether to go to the NC
112
00:08:19.279 --> 00:08:22.439
Double A or decide to stay with the Tips, like
113
00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:26.680
right after the Memorial Cup. He's basically told them nothing
114
00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:29.480
until the after the Cup is over.
115
00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:31.160
Huh.
116
00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:34.720
Do you think that's him saying if I don't win
117
00:08:34.799 --> 00:08:37.559
a cup, I will feel I have unfinished business.
118
00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:40.960
No, I think that's him saying, I'm in the middle
119
00:08:40.960 --> 00:08:45.919
of a tournament, go away. I need time to think, Okay,
120
00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:49.720
And I don't blame him. He's, you know, still a kid.
121
00:08:49.879 --> 00:08:51.039
He needs time to be busy.
122
00:08:51.679 --> 00:08:52.440
He's busy.
123
00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:57.200
He's busy. He's busy. And the Tips aren't going to
124
00:08:57.240 --> 00:08:59.639
be as good a team as they were this year.
125
00:08:59.679 --> 00:09:03.679
They're not be it is good next year. No, they're
126
00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:08.960
losing at least four other players to the NCAA are
127
00:09:09.159 --> 00:09:13.080
players who have already committed, and then they're going to
128
00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:19.879
lose Utinin and Bear to the AHL And yeah, that's
129
00:09:19.960 --> 00:09:21.679
that's a huge piece of the team.
130
00:09:21.519 --> 00:09:28.519
Gone airs An Islanders Prospect right, Detroit, Detroit, and Vietnam
131
00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:29.279
is Seattle.
132
00:09:29.600 --> 00:09:30.279
That's correct.
133
00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:36.840
That's US WHL playoff MVP. That's right, Elias Muetnam right correct.
134
00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:41.120
He did win the playoff MVP. Well deserved, well deserved.
135
00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:45.759
He really carried the offense throughout the playoffs. He was incredible.
136
00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:51.799
First player, first euro European born player to win the
137
00:09:51.879 --> 00:09:55.799
WHL MVP since dry Sidle in fifteen.
138
00:09:56.360 --> 00:10:02.559
Did he ever do anything, Leo, I don't think he's.
139
00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:07.559
Won anything like a cup or anything, so I would
140
00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:08.399
have remembered that.
141
00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:13.960
Well, well, maybe he'll maybe he'll be okay.
142
00:10:14.639 --> 00:10:15.519
I think he'll be fine.
143
00:10:15.799 --> 00:10:19.399
I think he'll be fine. We're not going to focus
144
00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:23.320
too much in the NHL this week. Either the Aves
145
00:10:23.480 --> 00:10:25.960
lose tonight and get swept or they got it out,
146
00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:29.399
you'll know by the time this drops, but we will
147
00:10:29.440 --> 00:10:32.759
have a reaction to that series next week. We'll also
148
00:10:32.840 --> 00:10:37.399
have a reaction to the Montreal Canadians Carolina Hurricanes series,
149
00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:40.080
which is two one in favor of the Hurricanes after
150
00:10:40.120 --> 00:10:44.679
the Abs did not put up a good performance last night,
151
00:10:44.879 --> 00:10:47.320
So we'll see if that sticks. But right now those
152
00:10:47.360 --> 00:10:50.519
series are kind of up in the air. A bit.
153
00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:53.000
The Avs obviously have the ability. I think they have
154
00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:55.039
the ability to do the reverse sweep.
155
00:10:55.720 --> 00:10:56.960
It is a possibility.
156
00:10:57.759 --> 00:10:59.720
It's a greater possibility than any other team in this
157
00:10:59.759 --> 00:11:02.480
play off, but it is a tall order.
158
00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:06.399
Is it possible? Is it still possible if they're holding
159
00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:09.480
cal mccarr's shoulder on with duct.
160
00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:11.679
Take and Nathan McKinnon's knee.
161
00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:13.639
Yeah.
162
00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:14.200
Yeah.
163
00:11:14.360 --> 00:11:17.759
McAra being a load bearing piece for the avalanche was expected,
164
00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:20.480
but I did not realize it was the entire.
165
00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:24.360
Load Yeah, big same mm hmmm.
166
00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:29.000
I have to wonder. I don't think they do anything
167
00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:32.480
about Bednar's job after this, but the heat starts to
168
00:11:32.519 --> 00:11:34.039
get it's turned on.
169
00:11:34.720 --> 00:11:37.120
Yeah, I think I give him one I think they
170
00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:38.399
would give him one more year.
171
00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:43.200
Yeah, this is a bad year to squander though, Yeah
172
00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:43.480
it is.
173
00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:46.399
So.
174
00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:48.679
With that in mind, we want to jump into PWHL
175
00:11:48.759 --> 00:11:50.960
news and we want to talk about the big news
176
00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:55.039
that broke today, which is the p w h LPA
177
00:11:55.879 --> 00:12:00.559
has voted to release players salaries. They did so quietly,
178
00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:03.639
simply by adding a link to their web page with
179
00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:08.000
a searchable database of every player's salaries. I think we
180
00:12:08.039 --> 00:12:10.200
all spent a little bit of time today poking around
181
00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:12.919
and looking at the salaries, and I guess I just
182
00:12:12.919 --> 00:12:16.600
want to get some thoughts. Was there anything that surprised you?
183
00:12:17.440 --> 00:12:22.440
Was there anything that didn't surprise you? Yeah?
184
00:12:23.480 --> 00:12:35.799
I thought I was surprised that Night was the only
185
00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:44.080
player on the Torrent making like over one hundred K,
186
00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:49.120
and then Carpenter makes ninety and then there's a big
187
00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:55.279
drop there. Eldridge made eighty four about so she would
188
00:12:55.320 --> 00:12:58.000
have kind of filled that gap, but she's now on Boston,
189
00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:09.279
and then after that it's basically Barnes and thanks Bilica Bilka,
190
00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:13.639
And like I was, I expected Bilka to be making more.
191
00:13:14.519 --> 00:13:16.600
You know, Gosling makes no money. I think she might
192
00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:21.480
still be on her original contract though. Uh so Gosling
193
00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:25.679
is gonna get paid this this summer. She's she's due
194
00:13:25.679 --> 00:13:31.759
for a big raise. Yeah, just a lot of we
195
00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:35.279
knew going in because we all knew that the average
196
00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:41.399
salary had to be around fifty eight, So we knew
197
00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:46.639
that they were chronically underpaid, you know, massively massively underpaid.
198
00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:50.240
Every single player in that league is underpaid. But I
199
00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:55.120
guess I expected Seattle at least to have had a
200
00:13:55.240 --> 00:13:57.799
few a few more of those players to be making
201
00:13:57.840 --> 00:14:01.000
more like I did. I expect Harpenter to be making
202
00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:04.799
over one hundred at least I expected Troeder to be
203
00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:10.519
making more than she does. Yeah, it's just really interesting.
204
00:14:12.799 --> 00:14:16.159
Yeah. So to be clear, Vancouver has nobody making more
205
00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:20.559
than one hundred thousand. Yeah, mash My and Venetia both
206
00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:28.200
make ninety. Toronto, Seattle, New York, Minnesota, and Boston have
207
00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:32.759
one person each making more than one hundred thousand. Montreal
208
00:14:32.840 --> 00:14:35.799
has two, one of whom was the recently acquired Abby Rock,
209
00:14:36.080 --> 00:14:41.600
and shockingly, Ottawa has three. Yeah.
210
00:14:42.039 --> 00:14:44.799
I think we were all surprised at how much more
211
00:14:44.799 --> 00:14:46.320
Emily Clark makes.
212
00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:47.279
Like she.
213
00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:51.279
Makes twenty thousand more than Hillary Knight.
214
00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:53.799
Yeah, slightly shocking.
215
00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:57.120
Yeah, now she does pay more in taxes.
216
00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:01.840
Oh well, I forgot the factor that in of course.
217
00:15:02.840 --> 00:15:05.639
Gabby Hughes making one hundred and five thousand shocked the
218
00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:09.279
hell out of me. I did not think should be
219
00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:14.840
anywhere close to that. But yeah, and obviously there's quite
220
00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:18.559
a lot of people who are making the minimum, which
221
00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:22.000
is thirty seven thousand. Then change a lot of teams
222
00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:24.240
the autow up at all their rookies who are getting
223
00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:29.360
minimum at thirty eight. You know, so from an average.
224
00:15:29.360 --> 00:15:31.960
Ottawa does have the highest payroll. They are the only
225
00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:35.759
team to exceed the average payroll, which teams are allowed
226
00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:38.200
to exceed the average by up to ten percent or
227
00:15:38.279 --> 00:15:41.039
be below the average by up to ten percent. All
228
00:15:41.080 --> 00:15:43.679
of their teams were below, but that is likely because
229
00:15:44.039 --> 00:15:47.799
reserve players have been signed, and reserved players seem to
230
00:15:47.840 --> 00:15:58.519
have uniformly signed a league minimum. Yeah. Yeah, so that's interesting. Yeah,
231
00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:00.679
let's talk more about the salaries. Knew that they were
232
00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:03.759
going to be in this range, but I'd really like
233
00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:06.279
your your feelings on what you're seeing.
234
00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:14.519
I had some uh like I knew the bait, like
235
00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:17.879
the you know, the general vibe of things from what
236
00:16:17.960 --> 00:16:22.639
we'd known previously. But I feel like this uh salary
237
00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:25.759
list broke maybe just people I know, but it feels
238
00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:28.960
like it broke containment in a way that uh maybe
239
00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:32.480
people who previously weren't to wear what PWHL players were
240
00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:36.879
making were like looking at it more closely. Because another
241
00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:39.919
one of the many hockey chats that I'm in was
242
00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:41.919
a bunch of people being like, why do I make
243
00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:46.639
more money as a desk jockey than like these hockey players?
244
00:16:46.679 --> 00:16:50.559
They like, this is really messed up, And yeah, I
245
00:16:50.559 --> 00:16:55.279
think it's unfortunate to just kind of look at how
246
00:16:55.960 --> 00:17:01.279
how underpaid, especially some of the star players are. But yeah,
247
00:17:01.320 --> 00:17:04.440
not too surprising. I am mostly really excited that they
248
00:17:05.319 --> 00:17:08.720
actually did publish the salaries. I think that's really cool.
249
00:17:10.039 --> 00:17:13.440
I know it's not common in lady sports, but I
250
00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:17.720
think it's I think it's good to have public salary
251
00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:24.240
information in sports hot take in all professions, but definitely
252
00:17:24.480 --> 00:17:29.759
for sports. I think it should be available, not only
253
00:17:29.799 --> 00:17:31.559
so we can talk about it, but also I just
254
00:17:31.559 --> 00:17:36.920
think it's a good bargaining chip for unions. Yeah.
255
00:17:37.319 --> 00:17:41.640
Yeah, previously it was available to the players upon request,
256
00:17:43.119 --> 00:17:50.519
but I think that like, Okay, so the PWHLPA they
257
00:17:50.680 --> 00:17:54.119
dropped these and they're it's searchable, it's on their website,
258
00:17:54.680 --> 00:17:57.440
but like they're not doing They didn't drop any like
259
00:17:59.119 --> 00:18:03.480
cap per cap, you know, and any really like analysis, right,
260
00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:06.240
they didn't. They're not showing the cap for each team.
261
00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:11.279
They're not giving you comparisons, they're not doing the kind
262
00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:14.640
of stuff that you They're not giving you the same
263
00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:19.000
interface as like puck Pedia does for NHL salaries, where
264
00:18:19.039 --> 00:18:22.200
you can really kind of understand the situation for a team,
265
00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:28.119
and making these available to the public gives those kind
266
00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:32.119
of public voices, especially media people access to be able
267
00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:35.440
to do that analysis and have it out in the world.
268
00:18:35.920 --> 00:18:39.559
And I think that really really benefits the players and
269
00:18:40.039 --> 00:18:44.079
it really benefits them like long term and as they
270
00:18:44.640 --> 00:18:47.920
start thinking about the next CBA as well, to have
271
00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:53.680
the fan base be galvanized and calling on the league
272
00:18:53.720 --> 00:18:58.240
to say, hey, you really should be paying more to
273
00:18:58.599 --> 00:19:01.119
the players.
274
00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:06.000
I have a few thoughts on this and to peggyback
275
00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:10.640
on yours their SJA. I do believe this move is
276
00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:14.920
about negotiating the next CBA. The next CBA so they
277
00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:19.279
have five more seasons under the current CBA, but really
278
00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:21.759
that's not a lot of time and union negotiations to
279
00:19:21.799 --> 00:19:24.440
get ready for what is going to be probably pretty contentious.
280
00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:30.119
When we look at the recent WNBA negotiations between their
281
00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:34.039
players association in the league, it was extremely contentious because
282
00:19:34.079 --> 00:19:38.000
the players wanted a salary or sorry, a revenue percentage.
283
00:19:39.319 --> 00:19:43.440
In the NBA, the NHL players get fifty percent of
284
00:19:43.480 --> 00:19:48.480
the league revenues. The WNBA settled for twenty percent, which
285
00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:51.839
was still like a I believe it doubled most salaries
286
00:19:52.680 --> 00:19:55.839
and allowed for some players to get multimillion dollar deals
287
00:19:56.039 --> 00:20:01.559
fairly easily. We do not know what the revenues of
288
00:20:01.599 --> 00:20:04.839
the PWHL are. We have no idea. We can guess.
289
00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:08.359
We can look at the ticket sales, we can look
290
00:20:08.359 --> 00:20:11.160
at the TV deals, and we can try to guess,
291
00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:14.920
but we really have no idea. What we do know
292
00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:19.960
now is what it costs to operate the league from
293
00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:26.279
a salary perspective, and we can take a guess at
294
00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:32.200
what that means from a revenue perspective. My guess is
295
00:20:32.279 --> 00:20:36.359
without a national TV deal in the United States, salaries
296
00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:45.839
probably consume of majority of ticket sale revenue. But once
297
00:20:45.880 --> 00:20:47.920
they get a TV deal, even if it's just you know,
298
00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:51.119
twenty five million dollars a year of ieon, that should
299
00:20:51.200 --> 00:20:54.000
move them into a situation where revenue sharing becomes more
300
00:20:54.039 --> 00:20:59.039
of a palatable and achieve a piece for the players. Yeah,
301
00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:03.559
but they're gonna forced the Walters to open their books, right,
302
00:21:03.640 --> 00:21:05.599
and that I think is going to be part of
303
00:21:05.640 --> 00:21:09.839
the challenge. That's what this is about. The second thing is,
304
00:21:09.880 --> 00:21:13.680
as much as you are correct in saying that these
305
00:21:13.720 --> 00:21:19.920
salaries are low compared to other sports, and certainly low,
306
00:21:20.359 --> 00:21:23.720
especially if you're a low end paid player making thirty
307
00:21:23.759 --> 00:21:27.920
eight a year, it is I think important to note
308
00:21:28.680 --> 00:21:32.480
that the predecessor leagues, namely the Canadian Women's Hockey League
309
00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:40.000
and the Premier Hockey Foundation Federation, they paid much less.
310
00:21:40.720 --> 00:21:44.200
The CWHL paid players a bursary of ten thousand dollars
311
00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:48.519
Canadian a year, which did not always get paid, and
312
00:21:48.759 --> 00:21:53.680
the average salary in the PHF was about thirty eight
313
00:21:53.720 --> 00:21:58.440
thousand American, So that's the minimum salary today in the PWHL.
314
00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:03.079
The PWHL so has their housing allowance, which pays between
315
00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:06.079
nine and ten thousand dollars American a year. They have
316
00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:10.480
per dems, they have bonuses for making the playoffs and
317
00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:13.039
for winning the cup and get into the finals and
318
00:22:13.160 --> 00:22:17.440
winning various awards. They have health insurance. They have health insurance,
319
00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:23.319
they have protected maternity leave. They have guarantee on things
320
00:22:23.400 --> 00:22:29.359
like hotels and flights and quality of bussing guarantee. That
321
00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:32.960
all these guarantees that didn't exist in those leagues previous,
322
00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:39.160
and those were most likely the negotiating team's priorities. And
323
00:22:39.240 --> 00:22:44.240
we know from the Rise documentary that they negotiated this
324
00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:48.119
CBA on the expectation the year one, the average ticket
325
00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:52.200
sales per game would be around one thousand tickets, so
326
00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:55.839
both sides did not expect the success the league has encountered.
327
00:22:58.400 --> 00:23:01.599
I really think the next CBA is going to be fascinating.
328
00:23:01.720 --> 00:23:04.599
But I think this is the opening sort of salvo
329
00:23:04.680 --> 00:23:07.640
from the PA. You know, this is what we're making.
330
00:23:08.799 --> 00:23:10.720
This will not stand in five years.
331
00:23:12.880 --> 00:23:15.559
I think fans having access to it is really going
332
00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:21.400
to be huge for those negotiations. Having like concrete numbers
333
00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:25.319
to point out for their favorite players and get upset
334
00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:31.880
about will make a big difference for that CBA negotiation.
335
00:23:33.960 --> 00:23:38.279
Yeah, I think fan engagement will help drive general public
336
00:23:38.319 --> 00:23:41.359
knowledge of what the salaries are. We've seen the same
337
00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:45.200
in other leagues, not just the NHL. There is a
338
00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:49.359
large segment of fans who cling on to player value
339
00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:53.920
as expressed in dollars, and I don't think anyone looks
340
00:23:53.960 --> 00:23:57.160
at the player value expressed in dollars in the PWHL
341
00:23:57.160 --> 00:24:00.519
and thinks that their player is worth that. The amount
342
00:24:00.519 --> 00:24:03.119
of merchandise a player like Mary Phillip Pulen or Hillary
343
00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:07.599
Knight moves in a year almost certainly exceeds one hundred
344
00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:12.200
and five thousand dollars per person. Right like there there
345
00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:13.720
are I.
346
00:24:13.640 --> 00:24:18.559
Think I think they've sold like twice that in just
347
00:24:18.680 --> 00:24:22.599
Hillary Night jerseys as her salary. Like if you go,
348
00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:26.160
if you go to a Torrent game, like every other
349
00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:29.960
person has a Hillary Night jersey at you know, two
350
00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:31.200
hundred dollars a pop.
351
00:24:32.119 --> 00:24:35.079
So yeah, for Hillary Knight's salary, it's five hundred and
352
00:24:35.079 --> 00:24:40.920
twenty five jerseys, right, Like, she doesn't she doesn't have
353
00:24:40.960 --> 00:24:43.920
to sell that many before her salary has been covered
354
00:24:43.960 --> 00:24:45.880
obviously the cost of jerseys and stuff.
355
00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:48.559
But well, I mean I can guarantee you she sold
356
00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:50.079
like ten thousand jerseys.
357
00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:56.640
So yeah, and and and that's sort of the uh.
358
00:24:56.720 --> 00:24:59.000
I think that that's that's a big percentage of what
359
00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:01.359
we're going to see the fight over the next CBA.
360
00:25:01.480 --> 00:25:06.720
Before this CBA was about getting the conditions required to
361
00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:12.480
be true professionals in and pay an acceptable amount of money,
362
00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:15.920
especially to people who in general are on national teams
363
00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:20.200
and receive national A bursaries. You know, like Kendall coins
364
00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:23.119
Cofield does not have to rely on the PWHL income
365
00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:27.880
it's sole income, nor does Laura Stacey or you know,
366
00:25:28.519 --> 00:25:30.160
Emerald smash Meyer or whoever.
367
00:25:32.200 --> 00:25:34.799
I do think that's like the biggest bummer about looking
368
00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:37.240
at the low end of the salaries just like those
369
00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:41.160
are the players that aren't don't have those deals. So
370
00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:46.160
it's just kind of like, oh, they're making desk jockey
371
00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:49.880
money and they're putting their bodies on the line in
372
00:25:49.960 --> 00:25:52.319
a way that a lot of people aren't. So hopefully
373
00:25:53.279 --> 00:25:56.599
that changes, because I think the people who have other
374
00:25:56.759 --> 00:26:01.079
forms of income are well, they just to be paid more.
375
00:26:01.119 --> 00:26:05.079
But it's also less of a like quality of life concern.
376
00:26:05.799 --> 00:26:10.519
I said it earlier, but there is a reason that
377
00:26:11.079 --> 00:26:15.079
and this is it, that so many women have only
378
00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:18.519
been able to stay in hockey because they came from
379
00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:19.480
wealthy families.
380
00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:24.400
And there are certainly a lot of women who will
381
00:26:24.440 --> 00:26:27.119
not stay in the sport as long as they're physically
382
00:26:27.160 --> 00:26:31.559
capable from a perspective of their body's health and from
383
00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:35.599
a perspective of being able to maintain, you know, with
384
00:26:35.720 --> 00:26:40.359
the rest of the league, because the financial reasons aren't there.
385
00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:47.160
As example, had a brand retired today and she's only
386
00:26:47.200 --> 00:26:48.160
twenty seven.
387
00:26:50.720 --> 00:26:50.920
Yep.
388
00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:55.079
So she said, I'm going to go be a doctor.
389
00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:59.680
And I've loved hockey, but the Olympic cycle is over.
390
00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:04.240
I've done three years here. It's time to go do
391
00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:07.200
something else. And that's probably going to happen to these
392
00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:08.480
salaries triple.
393
00:27:08.839 --> 00:27:14.960
Right, exactly. Yeah, the PWHL isn't competing with other leagues
394
00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:18.759
for players, they're competing with the regular workforce.
395
00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:22.200
Yep. All of these.
396
00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:25.519
Almost all of these women have college degrees.
397
00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:36.279
Yeah, and I think at the end of the day,
398
00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:38.240
it's going to be interesting when the league does get
399
00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:42.279
to the point of basically allowing players to skip college,
400
00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:46.279
because I wonder how many might. But that is well
401
00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:48.160
down the road. We'll have to see what happens to
402
00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:50.079
the next CBA. But if they're able to get a
403
00:27:50.359 --> 00:27:55.759
revenue percentage, it'll be pretty easy to imagine salaries going
404
00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:58.039
up by three or four times overnight.
405
00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:01.599
They are really interesting thing. They don't have a minor
406
00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:05.920
league system either. No, there's no feeder outs that feeder
407
00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:12.319
system really outside of college hockey and Europe. Yeah, and
408
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:16.480
they don't pay anything in Europe, so.
409
00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:18.880
Yeah, they pay more in the SDHL now, but they
410
00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:20.920
do not pay a meaningful salary.
411
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:22.119
Yeah.
412
00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:24.359
It's interesting and we'll keep an eye on it as
413
00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:26.720
it develops, and it will be interesting to see how
414
00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:32.079
aggressive the PWHLPA is updating these as they go through
415
00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:36.160
expansion and resignings. Because a lot of new contracts are
416
00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:39.839
about to drop. This league has mostly free agents. They're
417
00:28:39.880 --> 00:28:42.759
going to go and draft like one hundred women into
418
00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:45.720
this league. A bunch of them will get contracts. So
419
00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:47.920
I wonder how aggressive they're going to be about keeping
420
00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:48.960
this whole thing up to date.
421
00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:54.640
I bet they do a batch update at after expansion closes.
422
00:28:55.119 --> 00:28:57.960
Maybe that would make the most sense. I hope to
423
00:28:58.000 --> 00:29:02.720
see it updated as much as possible, but a batch
424
00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:04.079
up dates he was reasonable.
425
00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:08.240
I think one thing we will see now that these things,
426
00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:14.119
now that this is explicitly public, is insiders quote unquote
427
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:18.519
insiders are going to start reporting salaries good when when
428
00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:21.319
contracts are signed, because the agents are just going to
429
00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:24.440
tell them. They're going to get it from agents, and
430
00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:25.799
the agents are going to be like, well, it's going
431
00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:29.200
to be public anyway. And then we'll we'll have people
432
00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:33.559
like Hailey Salve and say, oh, Alex Carpenter signed a
433
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:36.759
new deal for one hundred and five thousand dollars. It's
434
00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:39.480
two years with hopefully Seattle.
435
00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:44.880
We talked, did we talk about Troy Ryan last time?
436
00:29:46.640 --> 00:29:49.880
I don't believe you did, after having listened to that episode.
437
00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:54.000
We also haven't mentioned that the Torrent need a new coach.
438
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:58.119
And hockey Yeah, okay, let's start with Troy Ryan. So
439
00:29:58.839 --> 00:30:02.119
Peter WHL has named Troy Ryan both general manager and
440
00:30:02.319 --> 00:30:05.039
head coach of p WHL San Jose.
441
00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:13.160
That's interesting. That's my commentary on that.
442
00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:17.200
Was squandering those great team colors.
443
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:23.000
It's just so funny that he just basically got canned
444
00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:28.200
from Hockey Canada, the women's team, coaching the women's team,
445
00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:29.880
and he's like failing up.
446
00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:36.240
And Gina Kingsberry both got are no longer with Hockey Canada.
447
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:39.559
But don't worry, Brad Triuliving's on the committee to replace him.
448
00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:44.200
That all overwhel Cassie's there too. Cassie loves the committee.
449
00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:48.200
She's on many committees, as many as she can get
450
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:48.880
herself on.
451
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:53.119
It's true. I admire that about her. She really hustles
452
00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:54.640
for those committee positions.
453
00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:56.039
I can.
454
00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:59.319
I can see giving Troy Ryan a shot at general manager,
455
00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:02.119
because I mean, maybe he'd be good at it. Who knows,
456
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:05.440
he's already a league employee. Yeah, but giving him both
457
00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:10.039
roles is bizarre. It's bizarre, right because they wouldn't not
458
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:12.000
can Clee do both when he wanted to?
459
00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:16.079
Yeah, he explicitly wanted to They told him he absolutely couldn't,
460
00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:19.440
and then they hired I don't even remember her name
461
00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:24.319
to do anything to like not to sign contracts, like
462
00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:27.680
that's her job is signing contracts. She's not choosing players.
463
00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:34.519
So I'm curious if we'll see a similar like will
464
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:37.279
they simply move Geena Kingsbury into the coach's spot she
465
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:39.960
used to coach, you know, in Toronto.
466
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:45.440
It's just bizarre. I don't understand it, may you know what?
467
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:47.680
And also it makes the lee look cheap.
468
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:50.720
That's what I thought. I was like, this is so
469
00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:55.240
I don't know. It feels like such a let down
470
00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:57.880
to be like, oh, we're gonna have a GM head coach, Like.
471
00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:02.319
Come on, this isn't junior high. Yeah, And I can't
472
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:07.079
imagine doing this in the first year. There's so much
473
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:10.279
they have to set up still, Like that is it
474
00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:12.759
really is two full time jobs.
475
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:18.599
Maybe Troy doesn't have a personal life and this is
476
00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:20.599
it for him. This is the only thing he cares about.
477
00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:23.839
It must be he also he's got us hire some
478
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:26.599
great assistance because he's gonna need him.
479
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:32.440
I would be concerned if I was a San Jose fan,
480
00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:36.759
because I don't see how he does both jobs well,
481
00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:43.319
especially coaching, a job he's never particularly done well. I
482
00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:45.720
look at the amount of talent on those Toronto teams
483
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:47.559
and the fact that he couldn't ring goals out of
484
00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:53.440
them this year. That deeply concerns me. Who do you
485
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:57.839
think Troy is gonna offer his big franchise contract to.
486
00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:02.839
Come after the who should go on protection lists?
487
00:33:03.920 --> 00:33:06.319
I know? But do you think he's gonna go for
488
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:07.799
Daryl Watts?
489
00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:13.680
Yeah? I think he could. Yeah, I don't know if
490
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:19.440
Darryl Watts wants to play for him, we'll see.
491
00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:20.119
Yeah.
492
00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:24.400
And she wants to play in Toronto anyway.
493
00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:26.680
If only Toronto was getting another team that could also
494
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:27.519
offer a big.
495
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:31.359
Contract, yeah, I wouldn't be shocked if she went to Hamilton.
496
00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:36.319
Ye me either to franchise be the franchise player there.
497
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:43.920
Now. Okay, Steve Rourke fired in Seattle, s JA your
498
00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:45.200
reaction whoo.
499
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:52.440
Yeah, he didn't know what he was doing. I can't.
500
00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:52.960
He was.
501
00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:57.359
He was underqualified when he was hired. He he never
502
00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:00.480
made adjustments. The only time he ever changed the lines
503
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:04.519
when when players got injured. They were a one line
504
00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:10.480
team all year and they couldn't They could never they
505
00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:13.679
couldn't defend, they couldn't break out of the zone. Like
506
00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:15.800
you just you just sat there and you watched them
507
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:20.119
just get cycled on endlessly, and it was so depressing.
508
00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:27.280
And I was like, this team has Hillary Knight and
509
00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:35.400
Alex Carpenter and Hannah Bilka and I just Julian Gosling
510
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:41.280
and like they just and he just like completely like
511
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:48.480
there their first round pick, Jenna Buglioni. She spent the
512
00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:51.760
entire year either on the fourth line or scratched. She
513
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:55.440
sure as hell didn't get any development done. He didn't,
514
00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:59.559
he wasn't. He certainly didn't help her step into the league.
515
00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:03.880
Just like a total whiff of a pick. So, and
516
00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:07.079
I don't know whether to put that on Jenna who.
517
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:11.280
You could tell that she really struggled with the amount
518
00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:15.280
of contact allowed in the PWHL. She's so small and
519
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:18.800
anytime she took contact, she would just go flying across
520
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:25.239
the rink. Just tiny person. But he didn't help her adjust,
521
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:28.000
like he wasn't coaching her.
522
00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:31.000
Yeah, smaller players have been successful in this league.
523
00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:35.360
Yeah, Kayla Barnes is no bigger than she is. But
524
00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:39.280
you know what, she doesn't take contact. She knows how
525
00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:43.440
to skate around it. I would just.
526
00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:48.559
Think of Amanda Boulie plays for Montreal on their third pair.
527
00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:54.920
She's very good and she's literally SJA height one esj
528
00:35:56.760 --> 00:36:00.159
Alex savasco on Ottawa, who is maybe five foot two
529
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:03.360
on skates. And I watched her poll making Keller to
530
00:36:03.400 --> 00:36:08.039
the ice in the semis. She did loop her arm
531
00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:11.880
into Keller's and like literally kind of wrestling like judo thrower,
532
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:18.440
but she still pulled it off. Skilled Keller. Keller is large,
533
00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:20.440
large lady.
534
00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:24.039
Yeah, that's a compliment, by the way.
535
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:27.519
Yes, not not a negative thing.
536
00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:32.199
She tall, yep, strong, mm hmmm.
537
00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:34.320
Yeah.
538
00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:36.840
Yeah. So no, it sounds like they're going to get
539
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:37.360
a new coach.
540
00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:40.599
I mean they're they're definitely going to get a new coach.
541
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:43.599
I really hope they do a better job on the
542
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:47.159
higher this time. Don't pick a failed coach out of
543
00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:48.199
men's junior hockey.
544
00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:54.400
Oh there's a lot of rumor that Hayley Irwin's going
545
00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:56.079
to get one of the open coaching slots.
546
00:36:56.400 --> 00:37:01.440
Hey, she was. She ably took over while Carla McLeod
547
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:06.159
was out this year. I would not be sad about that.
548
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:09.400
No, I think I would. I would miss Haley on
549
00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:13.199
the Charge For sure, Charge were well coached team.
550
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:15.000
Mm hmm.
551
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:21.679
Yeah, they certainly punch above their weight this year. Yeah. Yeah,
552
00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:26.480
and the was that another change? No, I wanted to
553
00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:31.480
talk about Gina and Mike Troy, but that we already
554
00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:32.079
touched on that.
555
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:39.559
We got new gms in Vegas and Hamilton. Did we
556
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:41.239
get gams for all the teams?
557
00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:41.599
Yes?
558
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:51.320
Yes, okay, Megan Duggan for Hamilton, uh, Marion Marion Rium
559
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:59.239
for Detroit, and Dominic Dida for Vegas and Troy Ryan
560
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:05.280
for That's San Josie. So all the general managers have
561
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:09.599
been named, which is good because the expansion will be
562
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:14.599
beginning in early June. As of June first, existing general
563
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:19.519
managers will be able to negotiate with players on expiring contracts.
564
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:23.599
The general managers may extend players and then we'll get
565
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:26.880
to choose three of their under contract players to protect.
566
00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:32.559
Players who are not under contract may be offered franchise
567
00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:41.039
and efos Expansion Franchise offers and FPOs Foundational Player offers,
568
00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:45.800
and then if the expansion teams do not get to
569
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:47.840
five players with those offers, they will get to pick
570
00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:52.000
off of their twenty team list, which will exclude protected
571
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:56.760
players obviously, so just a question who do we think
572
00:38:56.800 --> 00:38:57.639
is getting protected.
573
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:03.320
I think that Hillary Knight is going to resign in
574
00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:07.840
Seattle based on certain things that she has said publicly
575
00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:11.559
to media outlets and on podcasts, and I think she's
576
00:39:11.599 --> 00:39:16.440
going to get a spot. I think Bilka is going
577
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:24.480
to get one of those initial three, and I think
578
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:29.920
I think the third one is going to depend on
579
00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:38.480
whether Gosling or Carpenter wants to resign, Otherwise I think
580
00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:39.519
it'll be Barnes.
581
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:49.679
Yeah, yeah, I could see that. I think all that's correct.
582
00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:58.719
Travior's not here, so my guess is Vancouver will protect.
583
00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:01.039
Let's take a peek their sheet.
584
00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:04.599
And I think they're gonna Gardner. I don't think she
585
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:07.400
has a contract, but I think she'll She'll resign.
586
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:14.159
Yeah, sign Gen Gardner, Protector, Protect Sophie Jakes, and if
587
00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:16.679
you can convince Sarah Nurse to sign you sign her.
588
00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:17.599
Yes.
589
00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:22.480
But I would not be surprised if Sarah Nurse is
590
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:26.159
holding out for a found expansion franchise offer.
591
00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:28.719
Yeah, I wouldn't put it past her.
592
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:33.199
Those have to be one hundred thousand dollars or more
593
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:37.480
and the player has to accept if they get one.
594
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:40.519
But they choose how long it's for, and if they
595
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:45.840
choose multiple years, they get twenty thousand cash. I assume
596
00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:49.519
that Jana Hefford shows up with like a bucket and
597
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:52.679
just like scoop one hundred dollars bills onto you.
598
00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:56.079
Well, what how else could it be?
599
00:40:57.159 --> 00:41:01.840
Well, it could be a very largely large check. But
600
00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:06.440
I say that, but I'm actually not sure that these
601
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:07.519
players are old enough.
602
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:11.079
To know what a check is an awful awful thing
603
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:13.400
to bring up. They could also just have one of
604
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:16.360
those giant bags with like a dollar sign on it,
605
00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:19.880
they just like bring you to your house.
606
00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:27.039
If they were to give like a player like Nicole
607
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:30.840
Gosling one of these checks, she could always call up
608
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:32.760
Jostly on the Rock, who I believe is the only
609
00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:34.559
player in the league is ever cashed one.
610
00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:43.639
I mean so so nowadays, if you want to like
611
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:45.679
deposit a check, you have to you just you can
612
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:47.119
just you don't have to go to the bank anymore.
613
00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:49.119
You can just take a picture of it with your phone.
614
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:52.599
They probably don't know what that function is on their
615
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:56.039
banking app, but I think the Rock probably knows and
616
00:41:56.119 --> 00:41:58.519
she can out I've used it.
617
00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:00.280
I don't think like.
618
00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:05.840
You are you are older than the media.
619
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:08.960
I am older than most of the PWHL though, so,
620
00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:12.719
but I mean there's there's got to be like a
621
00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:13.679
few players.
622
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:19.719
I don't believe that Hailey Win has ever used any
623
00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:21.199
sort of physical currency.
624
00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:22.079
Absolutely.
625
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:28.440
I think that if she can't venmo something, she gets confused.
626
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:31.119
Do they have Venmo in Canada?
627
00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:38.639
Absolutely not, we have I don't think. In nineteen eighty four,
628
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:42.960
Canada's banks created an interconnecting network called the Interact Network
629
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:47.000
to enable bank to bank transfers. And it's completely free
630
00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:49.079
and bundled with all of our banking apps.
631
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:50.800
That's so cool.
632
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:55.679
Yeah, And when I send someone something, it doesn't put
633
00:42:55.679 --> 00:42:58.760
it online for other people to see. What the fuck.
634
00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:04.119
Emojis I've never used. I've never used Benmo.
635
00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:07.360
Oh man, that's how I tip my nail lady. I
636
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:07.840
can put it.
637
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:10.400
I can put emojis in, but only the person getting
638
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:12.280
the money season Oh.
639
00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:18.079
Yeah, I literally just it's like a pizza or nails. Yeah.
640
00:43:18.920 --> 00:43:22.599
When I went to my parents place on Sundays, some
641
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:26.119
guy was having a yard or Saturday last week, some
642
00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:28.639
guy was having yard sale and he had cash only
643
00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:31.559
on the sign. And when I drove by the next day,
644
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:36.920
the cash only had been removed, and sure people kept
645
00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:42.079
asking to take bank transfers like INTERAC, and he eventually
646
00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:44.400
gave in, because who carries cash.
647
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:45.880
Nobody has cash anymore.
648
00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:48.840
I don't have any cash. I'd have to go to
649
00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:52.440
the ATM. Yeah, I'd have to look up my pin
650
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:56.119
number so that I could use the ATMA and then
651
00:43:56.199 --> 00:43:57.639
go Yeah.
652
00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:01.039
KK Harving has never paid cash for anything in her life,
653
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:03.800
So that's that's just how it is.
654
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:07.119
Do they even teach counting money in schools anymore?
655
00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:12.360
They don't definitely don't take don't teach balancing a checkbook.
656
00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:15.239
I didn't teach that to me either. They don't have
657
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:18.719
pennies anymore in the US, so everything's messed up.
658
00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:21.280
That's like the one thing Trump did that's good.
659
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:24.519
We definitely didn't need the pennies anymore.
660
00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:29.079
No, I will never forget having pennies slapped into my
661
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:33.079
hand in twenty seventeen in Indianapolis and staring at them
662
00:44:33.760 --> 00:44:36.760
for a solid twenty seconds before looking at going right,
663
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:37.880
you still have these.
664
00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:44.000
When I was in Delaware, they don't have sales tax there,
665
00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:46.559
so I got an Arizona iced tea and their ninety
666
00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:49.559
nine cents and they gave me a penny and I
667
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:54.239
was like, or yeah, it was surreal. I was like,
668
00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:55.480
I don't know what to do with this.
669
00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:00.480
Is there a leave a p hr?
670
00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:05.079
Right?
671
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:07.440
Man, must be nice not to have sales text.
672
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:12.719
I mean it's a good place to shop mm hmm.
673
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:15.400
Yeah, but it's also nice to have healthcare, so I'll
674
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:15.960
keep the sales.
675
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:18.559
I mean they're not going to get that in Delaware anyway.
676
00:45:18.679 --> 00:45:25.079
So all right, Toronto, who would you retain if? Who
677
00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:26.559
would you protect if you were Toronto?
678
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:30.440
Okay, I have to remember who's on that team.
679
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:33.039
I posted a link to the spreadsheet in the chat.
680
00:45:33.679 --> 00:45:42.559
I'm working on. I'm clicking, I'm clicking, Uh, Turnbull protect Turnbull.
681
00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:45.679
I think it depends on if they can resign Darryl
682
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:52.440
Watts or not fast. I think it's fast Kirk and
683
00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:58.719
Watts or Turnbull mm, which means mm al Ta could
684
00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:03.079
be moving now and then she can take her body
685
00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:04.199
checking gifts elsewhere.
686
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:05.679
I love that gift.
687
00:46:05.960 --> 00:46:06.440
I know you do.
688
00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:09.800
I need to like fix it those that has like
689
00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:13.880
the text on top of it instead of just having
690
00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:15.079
to like know what she's saying.
691
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:19.000
Now, it is worth noting that none of those people
692
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:24.199
we said are under contract. The entire signed contract list
693
00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:27.320
for Toronto for next year is Jesse Comfort, Natalie Spooner,
694
00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:33.639
Emma Gentry, Ellis Shelton, and Jesse McPherson. They have five
695
00:46:33.719 --> 00:46:35.199
players under contract next year.
696
00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:38.519
Man, that is a team that is going to see
697
00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:39.079
some changes.
698
00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:41.440
Yeah, they kind of need it.
699
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:45.880
Well, getting rid of Troy Ryan was a great start.
700
00:46:48.320 --> 00:46:53.920
Yes, what about the Mini Sota Frost?
701
00:46:55.719 --> 00:46:59.039
Well, I hope they don't protect Brittic Curl because I
702
00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:00.519
would love her to go somewhere else.
703
00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:02.599
I mean I think they will.
704
00:47:03.559 --> 00:47:04.599
You mean Las Vegas?
705
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:08.440
I mean, honestly, anywhere, but the team that I root
706
00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:11.639
for would be nice, but like Vegas would be especially perfect.
707
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:20.960
Goodness, she is under contract. I think they're gonna they're
708
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:24.719
gonna desperately try to resign Heisei.
709
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:26.280
They should.
710
00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:29.360
I don't know if Heisei is gonna want to stay
711
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:32.639
because she is definitely deserves How much.
712
00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:35.519
Did she make She was high up, but she was
713
00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:41.840
over one hundred Minnesota nine seven.
714
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:45.320
And seven dollars, second highest paid on the team.
715
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:49.000
I think that Heisei should definitely be making over one
716
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:51.159
hundred k next year, So if they offer her that,
717
00:47:52.679 --> 00:48:00.719
then maybe she stays otherwise she should get a found
718
00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:02.440
a franchise player offer.
719
00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:03.280
It's agreed.
720
00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:08.039
If Taylor Heisei is available on June fourth or whatever
721
00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:10.360
the day is, they're allowed to start offering these things.
722
00:48:11.360 --> 00:48:15.880
I show up at her hosts with a Venmo for Lesader.
723
00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:23.400
Yeah, Kelly panic. I think they're going to try to
724
00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:23.960
resign her.
725
00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:25.360
They should.
726
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:32.519
And I think they'll protect Coin. Yeah, I protect you.
727
00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:34.519
They don't want to have Coin in the position of
728
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:38.000
having to have to take another offer.
729
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:41.199
Coin is going to go and coin that will be protected.
730
00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:44.480
There's no way they protected coin last year, and I
731
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:49.280
thought that was extrenuous because Coin is in that sort
732
00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:53.840
of level where she'll only move she wants to. I
733
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:56.840
don't think that any of the GM's are going to
734
00:48:57.119 --> 00:49:02.119
try to steal Kendall coind of like pool En Jenner Knight.
735
00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:04.239
I think they only move if they want to.
736
00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:10.079
I don't think that Souva Joe is under uh it
737
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:13.920
is shameless. Shame has has the shame to not try
738
00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:15.440
to like force exactly.
739
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:18.480
I think people would would to move over. I don't
740
00:49:18.519 --> 00:49:21.239
think this is the NHL where everybody's made a handshake
741
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:24.679
to like not try to steal other players.
742
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:28.199
You misunderstand me. What I'm saying is that Suva Joe
743
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:30.639
couldn't do that because she's not allowed to offer these deals,
744
00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:34.920
right like she's not she she is she protected pool
745
00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:41.039
M because she assumes every other GM is like her M. Yeah,
746
00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:45.000
but yeah, no, I think that's right. I think it's
747
00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:46.239
going to be curl.
748
00:49:48.239 --> 00:49:48.320
Hi.
749
00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:53.440
See if they can resign her coin panic maybe least
750
00:49:53.559 --> 00:49:56.440
Deckline possibly have a lot.
751
00:49:56.320 --> 00:49:59.559
Of good players on that team, A lot of signed
752
00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:00.639
players on that too.
753
00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:05.280
One of the goalies, maybe, Yeah, Rooney over Hensley. Hensley
754
00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:06.920
makes Wayne more than Rooney too.
755
00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:09.960
Yeah, yeah, I mean I love to see it as
756
00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:11.079
a local goal But.
757
00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:16.159
Yeah, I get the bag. But I think if you
758
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:19.159
if you protect someone, you're protecting Rooney if you can come, Oh.
759
00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:24.400
Yeah, you shouldn't. You should not protect Kensley. Yeah, all right.
760
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:29.679
We touched on it the Montreal Victoire p WHL champions.
761
00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:31.559
Who do you protect?
762
00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:40.280
Same the same three players they protected last year, Stacey,
763
00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:42.360
Polan and Dabien.
764
00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:45.199
What if poole ND's the injury means she's going to
765
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:46.400
miss most of the next season.
766
00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:50.320
Yeah, Polane would be the biggest maybe to me on
767
00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:50.960
that list.
768
00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:56.440
I think you protect her anyway.
769
00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:01.360
If it is the same, I get that. If but
770
00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:03.760
let's say they're not going to protect Poolan, who do
771
00:51:03.840 --> 00:51:06.840
you pick Rock? Do you pick Gosling?
772
00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:08.960
I would pick Rock.
773
00:51:10.119 --> 00:51:11.360
I would pick Gosling.
774
00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:13.840
Do you think.
775
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:18.880
I think uh? I think Rock is going to walk
776
00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:20.159
for money?
777
00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:24.480
Do you think she gets an expansion franchise player offer,
778
00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:27.159
the big one? S?
779
00:51:29.480 --> 00:51:32.960
Maybe? You know, she got that foundational offer from New
780
00:51:33.039 --> 00:51:36.440
York and then it didn't really work out for her
781
00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:37.320
in New York.
782
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:39.599
But that deal worked out pretty good in Montreal.
783
00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:44.079
But that deal worked out pretty good in Montreal. Uh,
784
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:45.559
tough call.
785
00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:49.760
Yeah, so Vije has A has some tough calls to
786
00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:53.280
make there. I think I could see Gosling getting a
787
00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:55.800
f PO as well, Like I think someone will make
788
00:51:55.840 --> 00:51:57.960
if she's available, someone will give her a good offer.
789
00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:08.000
Yeah, for sure. The nice sirens, Philly A obviously, what
790
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:09.519
the we Wou's.
791
00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:12.760
So curse?
792
00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:21.519
Somehow it'll be he'll just he'll protect three defenders.
793
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:26.320
The protection was last time was kind of bad ship.
794
00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:27.480
Yeah.
795
00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:30.159
Yeah, I feel like they're very hard to predict.
796
00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:35.920
It'll be you know, it'll be Philly A and Bourbonet
797
00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:37.960
and Nylon person for some reason.
798
00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:42.280
Didn't he protect Neilan Pearson last time?
799
00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:43.239
Yeah?
800
00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:46.880
Oh my god, that's what That's why I said it.
801
00:52:48.599 --> 00:52:54.119
If it were me, I would protect philiate, Kaltenkova and O'Brien.
802
00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:57.639
If they don't predict kalten Kova, they're crazy.
803
00:52:58.599 --> 00:52:59.480
Yeah they should.
804
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:02.719
If caltain Kova or O'Brien is available, they are a
805
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:05.079
strong ef O target.
806
00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:06.039
I would.
807
00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:16.880
I would build my entire life around Christina Calvinkova. I've
808
00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:18.960
never felt so obsessed.
809
00:53:18.519 --> 00:53:23.840
With someone, not even Ranya sells a line.
810
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:29.800
From one glance, Oh okay. The second I saw her,
811
00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:35.519
I went, oh, she's going to be big. I do
812
00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:38.880
love Rodya though. Don't don't worry Ronya. You're always first
813
00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:39.400
in my heart.
814
00:53:41.159 --> 00:53:42.880
I'm sure she was very concerned.
815
00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:52.800
She's just listening to the podcast, like, no, okay, oh good, no, uh.
816
00:53:54.679 --> 00:53:57.360
No, but no, Calvinkova, I think is is a megastar.
817
00:53:57.639 --> 00:54:01.480
She has everything. Yeah, and I think O'Brien is really, really,
818
00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:06.000
really good. Yeah. I would have no qualms building a
819
00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:09.840
team around O'Brien. New York has a lot of good pieces.
820
00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:12.119
I think you protect them all, and if that means
821
00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:15.880
you lose MICA's Andy hart or Kale Osborne, you deal
822
00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:28.280
with it. So Borston, the Borston boats, uh.
823
00:54:29.800 --> 00:54:35.920
Frankel, Mueller, Keller, Haley win Walks.
824
00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:41.079
The only way I can see that not being Keller
825
00:54:41.320 --> 00:54:45.400
is if Keller wants to go to Detroit. If if
826
00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:47.719
she says, I want to go to Detroit, she ends
827
00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:51.880
up taking an EFO to Detroit. Otherwise Haley Winn has
828
00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:54.960
just like I think, all four teams make Haley Win
829
00:54:55.199 --> 00:55:01.719
their EUFO unless like a Calton Kova is available. Why
830
00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:03.719
would it be anyone other than Haley Win. She is
831
00:55:03.880 --> 00:55:10.280
the perfect backs stopt to build a team around. Yeah,
832
00:55:10.360 --> 00:55:14.760
she's young, She's already been nominated for Defender of the Year,
833
00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:20.360
drives play, she's great at keeping pucks away from Frankel.
834
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:24.559
I just do not understand why would be anyone else.
835
00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:30.360
And she's twenty three years old, so she'd be in
836
00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:38.039
this league for the next fifteen years. Yeah, I think
837
00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:40.440
that she is like the number one target for all
838
00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:46.119
these new franchises. I'd think, yeah, of course, what do
839
00:55:46.239 --> 00:55:47.800
I know. I'm not Troy Ryan.
840
00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:56.400
Would you protect would you protect Win over Frankel or Mueller?
841
00:55:57.719 --> 00:55:59.199
Would you protect her over Mueller?
842
00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:00.440
No?
843
00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:06.480
If if I was the GM of Boston. I would
844
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:11.760
protect Mueller, Win and Frankel and say Sion heard a Keller.
845
00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:17.000
That's not just because I disliked making Keller, and to
846
00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:23.599
be clear, I dislike making Keller, but I think that
847
00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:27.519
if you want to win in this league, you need
848
00:56:27.719 --> 00:56:31.440
a young, dynamic forward to build around, a young dynamic defender,
849
00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:36.239
and a young dynamic goaltender. And of all the teams,
850
00:56:36.679 --> 00:56:38.360
Boston is the only one that has all three of
851
00:56:38.400 --> 00:56:39.000
those already.
852
00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:43.320
I would I agree with that. I think the right
853
00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:46.039
choice in terms of building a team would be Keller.
854
00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:49.440
I don't see them doing that, but.
855
00:56:51.559 --> 00:56:55.320
Yeah, yeah, And Jesse Eldridge is getting a contract, a
856
00:56:55.400 --> 00:56:58.039
big contract somewhere. She could even get an EFO. I
857
00:56:58.119 --> 00:57:01.360
think she had a good enough year well.
858
00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:03.440
Once she uh got away from Seattle.
859
00:57:04.840 --> 00:57:10.119
Sorry once it wasn't Seattle, it was Steve Rourke.
860
00:57:10.760 --> 00:57:14.039
Of course I know this.
861
00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:19.360
I'm crossing my fingers that's true.
862
00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:24.320
And I believe that just leaves our beloved Ottawa charge
863
00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:28.679
second in the PWHL playoffs first in your hearts.
864
00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:31.400
Mm hmm, that's right.
865
00:57:33.519 --> 00:57:38.079
I I mean Gwyneth Phillips will get protected. M h
866
00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:42.880
I think that's that's that's a given, and I believe
867
00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:45.960
they will protect Ronnia Savellinen and Rory Gilde.
868
00:57:47.559 --> 00:57:50.239
Oh they're gonna let Leslie walk.
869
00:57:50.920 --> 00:57:51.639
That's interesting.
870
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:54.360
Leslie is thirty years old. And while she had a
871
00:57:54.440 --> 00:57:58.320
fantastic year, and she did have a fantastic year, don't
872
00:57:58.320 --> 00:57:59.719
get me wrong, I.
873
00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:00.960
Forgot get that. She's thirty.
874
00:58:02.039 --> 00:58:05.280
God she she only scored three years and the two
875
00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:11.119
three goals and the two years combined previous. So if
876
00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:13.960
you have only a handful of these high level contracts,
877
00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:18.000
do you offer it to her or do you go
878
00:58:18.119 --> 00:58:20.320
and find a player who has a more established track
879
00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:26.239
record compelling point. Now, she could go, Don't get me wrong,
880
00:58:26.920 --> 00:58:28.679
It would not surprise me to see a team offer
881
00:58:28.719 --> 00:58:34.519
her an FBO payer eighty thousand a year. But it
882
00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:37.159
would also not surprise me if she didn't go.
883
00:58:39.559 --> 00:58:41.679
You know who's going to get a nice raise next
884
00:58:41.760 --> 00:58:44.719
year regardless, Like she's not going to get protected, but
885
00:58:44.800 --> 00:58:49.000
she's going to get a nice raise. That Nuza Katarova
886
00:58:49.320 --> 00:58:52.840
wherever she's playing, Oh.
887
00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:55.199
Yeah, she'll she'll be like a sixty thousand dollars a
888
00:58:55.280 --> 00:58:58.320
year player next year, yeah, sixty five.
889
00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:00.480
Some of the I hope she stays in in Ottawa
890
00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:02.679
she I think she'll have options.
891
00:59:03.280 --> 00:59:09.199
They posted a picture of her in the merch store
892
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:13.280
at the CTC after like the day after the finals,
893
00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:15.400
just buying as much stuff as she could to take
894
00:59:15.440 --> 00:59:16.119
home to Russia.
895
00:59:16.960 --> 00:59:19.840
Ah, so I bet like every single person in her
896
00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:20.840
family wanted merch.
897
00:59:21.159 --> 00:59:23.920
Yeah, I hope that. I hope she comes up. I
898
00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:26.440
hope she was back. She seemed to really have fun
899
00:59:26.719 --> 00:59:28.400
in so much as she's capable of it.
900
00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:31.719
You know, there's only so much that Russians can do.
901
00:59:33.800 --> 00:59:36.280
The look on her face on her birthday picture where
902
00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:39.199
she's just like has this kind of slight smile and
903
00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:43.360
just like yeah, you get the sense she doesn't like
904
00:59:44.239 --> 00:59:45.719
being the center of attention.
905
00:59:45.639 --> 00:59:51.239
Very much, but she wont herself. Some fans this yet.
906
00:59:51.480 --> 00:59:55.000
Do you know what she loves doing? Scoring goals? She does?
907
00:59:58.079 --> 01:00:02.639
That's pretty cool. I agree with you. But yeah, I
908
01:00:02.960 --> 01:00:08.360
could see them protecting Leslie and not protecting Bill Day
909
01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:10.880
or Satelline, And my heart would be broken if they
910
01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:13.480
didn't protect Ronya because she'd go someone would sign her.
911
01:00:14.480 --> 01:00:14.639
Well.
912
01:00:14.719 --> 01:00:18.480
I mean, I think they wouldn't protect Leslie over either
913
01:00:18.639 --> 01:00:22.960
Clark or Hughes. No, probably Hughes. They should hold on
914
01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:25.079
to Hughes. She's only twenty six.
915
01:00:25.239 --> 01:00:27.920
They really think highly of Gabby Hughes, and she is
916
01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:30.280
I think one of the better shutdown centers in the league.
917
01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:38.679
But we'll see what Mike does. But I would hold
918
01:00:38.679 --> 01:00:40.760
on to the defenders because I think they are awesome.
919
01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:43.760
I think again, I believe you build a team for
920
01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:47.800
the back end. Even though Brion Jenery is nominated for
921
01:00:47.840 --> 01:00:49.440
Player of the Year, she makes one hundred and twenty
922
01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:51.840
two thousand, so EFO would have to match that. That
923
01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:56.239
is a lot to commit. And I think, once again,
924
01:00:56.320 --> 01:00:58.440
she's one of those handful of players that's kind of
925
01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:00.599
earned their right to shoot the show. She ends up
926
01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:02.280
in Hamilton next year, it's because she wants to be
927
01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:02.840
in Hamilton.
928
01:01:05.039 --> 01:01:07.679
Where do you think like? I think so. I think
929
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:10.320
Joscelyn Lrock is going to get another contract next year
930
01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:13.559
because the league is expanding so much. But she is
931
01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:15.760
like fully over the hill.
932
01:01:16.039 --> 01:01:17.159
I think she's back in Ottawa.
933
01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:18.960
Do you think she's back in Otawa?
934
01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:25.079
Yeah, her stuff's here. Yeah, she is beloved. Mike seems
935
01:01:25.079 --> 01:01:27.480
to really like her. I don't think she makes nearly
936
01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:29.519
as much money next year. I think she takes all Oh.
937
01:01:29.599 --> 01:01:32.679
No, yeah, she's got to take a pay cut.
938
01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:34.719
Good veteran presence in the room.
939
01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:39.280
And once Carla moved her down to the second pair,
940
01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:42.719
she was not nearly as brutal, brutally exposed as she
941
01:01:42.960 --> 01:01:46.480
was on the first pair, even though in the playoffs
942
01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:49.920
Carla went back to her way too much. And I've
943
01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:55.199
thoughts about that, but you know, I think the.
944
01:01:55.239 --> 01:02:00.199
Playoffs can really expose of coaches like deep Sea did
945
01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:02.239
air fallacies.
946
01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:04.000
Yeah, they're they're pre elections.
947
01:02:04.840 --> 01:02:08.719
Yeah, their pred elections is such a good word, thank you.
948
01:02:11.480 --> 01:02:14.840
Yeah, So we'll see by this time next week, should
949
01:02:14.840 --> 01:02:21.639
we should roughly know who's being protected. We'll definitely have
950
01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:26.119
some news on resignings. And yeah, it's going to go quickly,
951
01:02:26.920 --> 01:02:30.119
So buckle up, folks, because there's four new teams in
952
01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:32.400
town and forty players have to join them before we
953
01:02:32.480 --> 01:02:34.199
get to these get to the draft.
954
01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:40.079
So fast, it's so it's a whirlwind.
955
01:02:41.559 --> 01:02:45.280
It's wild. It's going to be a wild, wild process. Yeah,
956
01:02:46.280 --> 01:02:50.320
but yeah, I'm I am. I am excited, though as
957
01:02:50.400 --> 01:02:52.239
much as I will miss some of the players who
958
01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:54.079
are on the charts this year that end up going,
959
01:02:54.159 --> 01:02:56.320
and certainly there are a few that if they went,
960
01:02:56.480 --> 01:03:01.639
I would be deeply hurt. M there's a lot of
961
01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:03.400
players coming, like, this is going to be an incredible
962
01:03:03.480 --> 01:03:06.000
draft class and so good.
963
01:03:06.320 --> 01:03:07.360
It's going to be so good.
964
01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:09.199
There's going to be lots of players to love.
965
01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:14.639
I've I have, however, made a grave mistake about this
966
01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:19.239
upcoming GET draft. I have set my heart on Laila Edwards,
967
01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:25.599
and I know that I know, I know, I know
968
01:03:26.000 --> 01:03:29.920
I'm letting myself in for hurt. But I want Laila
969
01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:32.400
Edwards to be a Seattle Torrent so bad.
970
01:03:36.039 --> 01:03:43.239
Really mhmm, really interesting, mm hmm. I hope that you
971
01:03:43.360 --> 01:03:44.800
get the second pick. I really do.
972
01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:50.199
She's cool, She's so cool. I like her so much.
973
01:03:53.679 --> 01:03:56.159
M h there is.
974
01:03:56.880 --> 01:04:05.559
I think the draft is really deep. But Ottawa is
975
01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:12.280
gonna be picking probably like eleventh, so I don't think
976
01:04:12.280 --> 01:04:14.079
we're gonna get as much help as the top three
977
01:04:14.199 --> 01:04:15.559
or four teams. That's for sure.
978
01:04:16.519 --> 01:04:19.599
Being too good makes you really not care about the draft, Like,
979
01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:22.079
if you're a good team, you're like this, we'll see.
980
01:04:22.760 --> 01:04:24.599
Yeah, I mean, but you still have to care in
981
01:04:24.679 --> 01:04:27.039
the PWHL because it's such a short term league.
982
01:04:27.440 --> 01:04:27.920
That's fair.
983
01:04:28.119 --> 01:04:33.639
But even then it's like they at least in the PWHL. Also,
984
01:04:34.159 --> 01:04:36.800
they only hold rights for two years, it's not seven
985
01:04:37.239 --> 01:04:42.039
like the NHL, so you can these players, you can
986
01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:42.960
pry them.
987
01:04:42.840 --> 01:04:47.599
Away, which is good and healthy for players.
988
01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:51.079
Yeah yeah, And there's something that says these players that
989
01:04:51.199 --> 01:04:53.199
you lose won't come back in a year or two.
990
01:04:54.079 --> 01:04:57.000
The league is not permanent, although for the first time
991
01:04:57.159 --> 01:04:59.440
we could see some four year contracts doled out.
992
01:04:59.679 --> 01:05:03.039
So I think we will see four year contracts, and
993
01:05:03.159 --> 01:05:05.199
I think we're going to see the league stabilize at
994
01:05:05.239 --> 01:05:09.639
twelve teams. Yeah, for I don't know, four or five
995
01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:10.480
years at least.
996
01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:13.239
That's maybe longer. That's kind of what I've said to
997
01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:17.199
a few people is like, this is the year they
998
01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:18.880
build the team that you're going to be able to
999
01:05:18.920 --> 01:05:20.039
have around for a while.
1000
01:05:20.920 --> 01:05:25.559
Yeah. Yeah, we're back up to like so before the
1001
01:05:25.639 --> 01:05:30.079
p WHL came in, and it was the the PHF
1002
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:37.320
and the PWHPA, you know, they had about thirteen teams
1003
01:05:37.480 --> 01:05:44.000
worth of players that were quote unquote playing professional women's hockey.
1004
01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:49.599
You know, PWHPA wasn't a league, but there were they
1005
01:05:49.639 --> 01:05:52.800
still played exhibition games. So we're getting back to that number.
1006
01:05:53.840 --> 01:05:58.440
And when when the PWHL bought the PHF and folded
1007
01:05:58.480 --> 01:06:02.519
it and then they only created six teams. People were
1008
01:06:02.559 --> 01:06:07.280
really upset because of how many jobs were essentially going away,
1009
01:06:08.039 --> 01:06:11.400
how many fewer opportunities there were. So I think getting
1010
01:06:11.480 --> 01:06:14.320
back up to this number is really is good, and
1011
01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:19.719
I'm really thrilled that they've done it so quickly instead
1012
01:06:19.719 --> 01:06:21.840
of dragging that process out over ten years.
1013
01:06:24.440 --> 01:06:27.320
Yeah, and I think it's the success the league, the
1014
01:06:27.360 --> 01:06:29.079
amount of fans have come in the door that have
1015
01:06:29.159 --> 01:06:30.880
really allowed it to grow at the speed it has,
1016
01:06:31.760 --> 01:06:35.199
combined with the incoming talent. But I'm excited for twelve teams.
1017
01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:38.079
I think we stick there until after the next CBA
1018
01:06:39.440 --> 01:06:43.679
and then we probably are looking at sixteen teams pretty
1019
01:06:43.719 --> 01:06:46.079
quickly after that. But I'm good for three or four
1020
01:06:46.159 --> 01:06:50.599
years of relative stability, probably at the Canadian Entire Center
1021
01:06:51.079 --> 01:06:54.239
to watch my beloved Ottawatch Archs whomever that may constitute.
1022
01:06:55.360 --> 01:06:57.480
Yeah, you're supposed to get an announcement on that.
1023
01:06:57.519 --> 01:07:00.360
Soon, Yeah, Mike said, the next week or two at
1024
01:07:00.400 --> 01:07:03.400
the end of year press conference. So we'll see, but
1025
01:07:04.239 --> 01:07:07.039
everyone is expecting it to be the Canadian Tire Center.
1026
01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:11.280
I think it's just a matter of making the final
1027
01:07:11.360 --> 01:07:12.199
deal with end Lower.
1028
01:07:12.679 --> 01:07:13.360
Yeah, exactly.
1029
01:07:14.119 --> 01:07:16.079
I wouldn't be shocked if they were, like, instead of
1030
01:07:16.199 --> 01:07:19.920
just trying to do a deal for CTC, they were
1031
01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:24.519
like explicitly doing writing some stuff in for Lebretton Flats,
1032
01:07:25.559 --> 01:07:27.800
making sure to get in on the ground floor of
1033
01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:31.320
that be involved in the Like I'm mad they could
1034
01:07:31.360 --> 01:07:34.400
get they could get their locker room built for Trump
1035
01:07:34.440 --> 01:07:38.880
Scratch at LeBreton to be really be what they want
1036
01:07:38.920 --> 01:07:44.760
it to be. That's the way to go, man, secure
1037
01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:45.400
the future.
1038
01:07:47.280 --> 01:07:49.559
So, SJA, did you want to read a statement before
1039
01:07:49.599 --> 01:07:49.920
we end?
1040
01:07:51.760 --> 01:08:02.119
Okay, So, as you all know, I missed last week's
1041
01:08:02.280 --> 01:08:09.480
podcast recording and I was fined one hundred thousand dollars
1042
01:08:09.599 --> 01:08:13.679
and the second round pick. I missed a really great
1043
01:08:13.719 --> 01:08:18.760
opportunity that night to connect with Neutral Zone Hotel fans
1044
01:08:19.239 --> 01:08:26.319
and share with them, you know, our victory, well, at
1045
01:08:26.399 --> 01:08:30.159
least the Silver Tips victory in the WHL playoffs. I've
1046
01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:34.119
always felt in a playoff series, when you win, you
1047
01:08:34.279 --> 01:08:37.960
really galvanize your bond with your fan base. And we
1048
01:08:38.119 --> 01:08:41.560
missed that opportunity. I missed that opportunity by not having
1049
01:08:41.680 --> 01:08:46.560
myself available to go on the podcast. And that's that's
1050
01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:52.520
on me. That's that's my failings as a podcaster. So
1051
01:08:55.039 --> 01:08:59.239
the other host has spoken on the matter, no other
1052
01:08:59.359 --> 01:09:04.359
explanation will be given. I'll say I was wrong. I will.
1053
01:09:04.439 --> 01:09:07.319
It will not happen again. I will never ever ever
1054
01:09:07.439 --> 01:09:10.479
miss another podcast. Maybe next week, who knows. I haven't
1055
01:09:10.479 --> 01:09:14.680
excited yet. Yeah, so I won't be taking any questions
1056
01:09:14.920 --> 01:09:15.439
at this time.
1057
01:09:16.039 --> 01:09:18.600
Okay, well, I think we are prepared now to complete
1058
01:09:18.680 --> 01:09:23.960
your appeal. So after further review, we the neutrals Own
1059
01:09:24.039 --> 01:09:27.560
Hotel board has decided to recind the one hundred thousand dollars.
1060
01:09:27.640 --> 01:09:33.399
Fine, however, because I can't really afford it.
1061
01:09:36.560 --> 01:09:40.199
However, the second round pick remains forfeit.
1062
01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:42.479
Okay, you know what. That's fair.
1063
01:09:43.439 --> 01:09:48.119
Keep that in mind in the next draft. All right, folks,
1064
01:09:48.199 --> 01:09:51.000
on that bombshell. I think it's time to end. So Hey,
1065
01:09:51.079 --> 01:09:53.319
this has been the neutral z Own Hotel which is written, hosted,
1066
01:09:53.359 --> 01:09:55.800
and produced by us, the Neutral Zone Hotel Crew. You
1067
01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:57.800
can find out more at our website neutrals Own Hotel
1068
01:09:57.840 --> 01:09:59.640
dot com. You can go to neutrals Own Hotel dot
1069
01:09:59.680 --> 01:10:02.760
com US discord to join our discord. We're on Instagra, No,
1070
01:10:02.840 --> 01:10:05.640
we're on Instagram anymore. We're on Blue Sky on YouTube
1071
01:10:05.640 --> 01:10:07.880
at neutral Zone Hotel, that Peace Got on Social and
1072
01:10:08.239 --> 01:10:10.760
that Neutral z Own Hotel. And if you are having
1073
01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:12.399
a great time as you listen to this on your
1074
01:10:12.399 --> 01:10:14.960
podcast platform a choice can we said five stars thumbs up,
1075
01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:17.720
specially button ring the bell, all the cool stuff to
1076
01:10:17.720 --> 01:10:20.439
say that you're having a good time folks. Thanks for
1077
01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:23.039
checking in and we will see you again next week.
1078
01:10:23.319 --> 01:10:23.760
Take care,