Insert Coin: Xbox Cloud Gaming Hour Limits & Tariff Refunds Kept

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[music] multiple nerdgasm.
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>> All right, I'm going to apologize now. I'm a little hung over, so I may not be
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super heavy tonight. We'll see how we go. >> All right, I've been partying.
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>> I just drank far too much. I wasn't really partying. I don't know why I do
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it. [laughter] >> I'm fine drinking by myself. You put me
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with a lot of people and I have to drink more. >> I see. >> I drink by myself.
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>> Yeah. I mean, that's pretty normal. When you drink socially, you drink more, right?
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>> Yeah. >> Isn't that when to stop when I'm drinking by myself? >> Yeah. Yeah.
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>> I stop way way earlier. >> Yeah. Well, >> that's right.
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>> That's cuz you need to be able to still hold your Xbox controller. H
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cuz now I've just lost a day of Xbox. >> I don't know. [clears throat] You've
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been sick. You've been drunk. What are you doing, mate?
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>> I don't know. What am I doing with my life? >> Who knows? Well, what's been happening
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this week? Anything interesting? >> Um, I did read one article that really annoyed me.
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>> Go on then. >> It's me being upset also at Sony, but
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also Microsoft. >> Oh, excellent. So remember you had this whole little
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thing with tariffs of being on everything. >> Well, I I didn't I mean I I I dealt with
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it, but I didn't you know don't don't make it sound like it was my fault,
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mate. I had nothing to do >> when the went to court and the judge said, "Look, not legal."
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>> Yeah. No, you're not do that. Yeah. >> And they refunded all the money. >> Mhm.
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>> To the companies. >> Mhm. And the companies are going, "Well,
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thank you, but we don't think we should have to pass that along to people who
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paid us that money." >> Thanks. >> And I just
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>> Yeah, I don't like their argument. [gasps and sighs]
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>> I mean, the argument is seem Let me guess, right, their argument is because
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this I mean this is true. >> You agreed to pay that much.
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>> Yeah, you were happy to pay that. So >> yeah, >> what's the problem?
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>> I mean, that was that Yeah, there that was the price and you paid the price. I
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mean, I I don't like it either. I feel like that's very like
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>> it's on the nose because it's like, you know, come on. We're all Everybody was
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talking about how it was [ __ ] and no one wanted to pay it. No, but
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>> you can't pretend it was just like normal. But >> I also like the fact it's also to
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>> and people are willing to pay this amount, are they? Well, they did.
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>> So, why don't we just >> leave the price there for a bit? >> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. I know. I feel like it's like >> it's a gesture of goodwill. They could
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refund it and I think it would would do a lot for them, but I also think I mean,
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yes, legally, >> yeah, >> if you want they probably don't have to
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because yes, they they said tariffs here, the price of X is 10 bucks more or
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whatever. Yeah, you paid the 10 more and then the tariffs were like, "Well,
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okay." But that was the price at the time. >> Yeah. We didn't have an option.
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>> Yeah. So, I don't know. >> Would you have preferred us to not buy
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your product during that period? >> No, they wouldn't, but you you'd still
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have the money if you didn't. [laughter] >> Yeah. I just really think it' just be
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sort of a pretty great gesture to go, look, we're going to do something with it.
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>> I agree. I think it's Yeah, I think it's a bit shitty, but I also can see I mean
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their argument is not wrong. >> No, >> but it's just I just don't like it. >> Yeah,
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>> you know. Yeah. >> So, that's why I'm upset even with Microsoft.
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>> Microsoft needs the money apparently. Yes. So, yeah, they're they're scraping
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things back together. >> I do like in this article they do talk
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about like some smaller places that are No, we're we're refunding and doing all
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this. No, you're doing that because that's good marketing for you now. >> Yes.
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>> Yes. They need the goodwill. >> Like [clears throat] you're a small
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company, so this looks great. They're a big company.
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>> You're still going to buy their product. >> Yes. Yeah. You're not going to stop
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buying Xbox games over even though it annoys you. >> No. >> Yeah.
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>> But with Arctic, they might get a few more people going to them now because
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they go, "Look, we gave the money back." Yeah. >> So, you get more people looking into
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that. So, yeah, it's great marketing. >> Nintendo. Was Nintendo going to or not going to?
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>> Nintendo. Um >> I think not going to, right? Tariff, there's a lawsuit.
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>> Yeah, they're they're going um plaintiffs after court to invent. Uh
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they're saying Yeah. same thing like they want to dismiss it.
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>> Yeah. Nintendo was was early at uh saying, "What money?" >> Yeah. [laughter]
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>> What are you talking about? >> What What extra? That's just how much the thing cost.
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>> Yeah. Don't look over there at that truck backing up with the money from
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that that says love from Trump on it. >> Yeah. Which is also what it sort of
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seems some people are also saying. It looks like like Trump did all this and
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then the all these businesses are getting a kickback.
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>> I'm I'd be very surprised if he did that on purpose. [laughter] >> I mean,
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>> you don't think he thought that far ahead? I know people will claim that that he
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does things like that. >> Yeah. >> I mean, I would be shocked. [laughter] I
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would be shocked given everything he said about what the tariffs were for and
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all that. And we talked about that. I already know. I know. We don't have to go over it.
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>> Like the way he sold them to the public was businesses were going to pay more
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and that's where it was going to stop. >> Yeah. So, I would say this is not this
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is extra bad. >> Yeah. >> Oh, look. Well, not from the businesses,
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I suppose. I don't know, man. [ __ ] it. I don't know what I don't know what he's
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doing. I [laughter] don't know what he's doing. >> Well, anyway, there's that.
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>> I um did I send you that can I did I sent you that picture of the can of
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Mountain Dew. I said Trump's at it again cuz I got a can of Mountain Dew
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>> today because I've not looked. >> Have a look. Have a look at my um my
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Mountain Dew from yesterday. He's at it again.
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I got it out of the fridge and I was like I was like what the [ __ ] he to be
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clear that's not [laughter] >> I think it's just a Fourth of July
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>> thing but it's American dew and I was
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like what the [ __ ] is this [ __ ]
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>> Oh god yes right Ontario. >> Uh I've never heard of it. Never heard
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of it Luke. I think you'll find it's called Lake America.
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>> It wasn't named after Ontario. >> [laughter]
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>> Don't worry about it. Sorry. Do Do you think he knows that, Luke? [laughter]
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Don't worry about it. Um, in other Xbox news that people are
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annoyed about, >> and this is weird,
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uh, Microsoft have announced that Xbox cloud gaming, which is, you know, where
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you can play your games on their servers, which we've said is the future
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and we think is a good idea and I've used it and it works pretty well,
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>> except they've now imposed these monthly limits and I was like, "Oh, okay, that
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makes sense." But then I look at what the limits are and I'm like, "What the fuck?" That's
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>> So if you're a Game Pass Ultimate subscriber, aka the top tier,
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>> 15 hours a month, >> nothing. >> What are you talking about?
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>> Like I don't need more than that, but like >> no
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>> people who That's like half an hour a day. >> Yeah.
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>> Like there are people who I honestly thought that they were
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>> pivoting themselves to be look everything's going online. We're That's
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what it looked like in front of it and now it seems like no, we're going backwards.
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>> It's so odd. Premium 10 bucks an hour and then essential f sorry 10 hours a month.
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>> Yep. >> Uh and then essential five hours a month. Five hours a month. That's like
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nothing. And they This is This is a company that makes the [ __ ] games. They know like
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>> if you play video games I I don't get much time to play. I play more than five
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hours a month. >> I must do. >> Well, yeah. You'd have to. But yeah,
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that's not a lot. And now, but you can buy more, but I don't know how much.
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>> Like, no one wants to do that. Is this Is this a money grab?
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>> I I think it is. I don't think cuz they've got the numbers. So,
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>> and how do you go from >> stream as much as you want to now 5
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hours is all you get >> from like this is the future so we're
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going to embrace it and it's been like you know available to by the way you can
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only use it a little bit like why >> I thought you were encouraging trying to
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encourage people to do this >> I can understand the cost of it is
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probably they were probably eating a lot of the cost at the start >> sure
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>> and I think they've I realize it's not viable to continue that way, but this
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isn't going to work. >> So, how much do my GeForce uh what is it
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called? Cloud
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>> uh monthly limit. What is my monthly 100
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>> 100 hours like? >> And how much is that?
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>> It is 200 bucks a year. >> Okay. >> Something like that.
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>> Yep. Uh, I got a discount at um,
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4th of July maybe. I paid like half paid like 100 bucks.
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>> If Game Pass Ultimate was 100 hours a month, that would be making more sense.
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>> I I wouldn't I'd be like, "Okay, fair." And I think less people would complain.
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I think 15 is just like insane. Like it's ridiculous. Game Pass Ultimate are
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the in theory your >> they should be their the top tier
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customers in theory, right? That's what that's what they want people buying.
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Game Pass Ultimate 15 hours. Like what the [ __ ]
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>> Like I thought you wanted people to use this. >> Yeah.
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>> Like this basically if if I was gonna play if I was like, "Okay, I want to
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play Xbox. I don't have an Xbox. I want to play just on the cloud. All right.
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What can I do?" Like you can't It's not viable. >> It's not viable anymore. And I think
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it'll turn people off. >> Yes. >> Playing like, "Oh, that's no good." >> Yeah.
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>> I can't I can't do it. Yeah. >> It's not enough hours, so I'll just go
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back to Xbox or I won't play at all. And I don't know change. This is going to change.
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>> It's Yeah, I think this is insane. I I I don't I just don't understand where this
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came from. >> Um I don't know if Sony has an
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equivalent to this. The cloud thing. I think they do. I've not used it. Um Sony
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Cloud Gaming. Do they have a thing? Yes, they do. Sony's cloud gaming allows
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PlayStation Plus members to stream. Yeah, but there's no limit. no limit
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like it was. So >> yeah, you just >> Is Sony going to start doing it soon as well?
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>> Maybe you just have to have a a PlayStation Plus membership like it used
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to be with M with Xbox >> Microsoft. Yeah, you pay your monthly
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fee and this was a benefit of it. >> In a blog post, Microsoft said it was
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making the changes because the cost of providing cloud gaming has grown as more
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people use it and play for longer. Yeah, of course. But
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>> you But that's what you want.
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>> Yeah. >> I mean, I guess it's tough. Like, if
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they're being realistic and this is what this is really what all they can afford
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to offer, [ __ ] All right. I guess this is not the future yet. >> No.
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>> Like, and then maybe this is good because it is it is a reality check. Maybe that like
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>> No, this isn't the future yet. this isn't viable as
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>> like yeah we've yeah with everything with like the AI building everything and
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taking up all the resources probably costing them a lot of resources to
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>> money time and they've just yeah this is maybe the first effects we're seeing of
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this bubble starting to burst >> well I yeah because I think the AI thing
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is is going to be similar like the the base plans of of the AI you know like
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you know your $20 a month chatgbt or claude >> like those have to go away at some point.
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>> Yes. >> There's not >> Yeah. >> maintainable. Like these companies are
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[ __ ] burning cash. >> Like the $20 is basically you're paying
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so they can sort of learn off you at the same time. Like there's a benefit that
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they're getting at the start, but towards the end >> Yeah. But like
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>> that $3 that's going away. There's no way. >> Like they are not making any money off
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that. No. >> Like quite the opposite. >> And the amount of money that they're spending.
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>> Uhhuh. So maybe Yeah, you're right. and and and driving the cost of all the
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hardware up and and so yeah, I mean this is all unsustainable.
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>> Well, that's why like all the like the RAM places are going, look, we're not
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going to start making more factories or anything cuz
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>> we in 3 years by the time we set it up. >> Yeah. >> You're all out of business.
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>> There's no guarantee that that any of these people buying it will be around by
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the time they get this new factory up. Yeah, it's true. [sighs and gasps]
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>> When do we get super cheap RAM again? >> Maybe. Yeah, I know. Someone put uh the
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I'm glad I don't need any I don't particularly need any storage at the
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moment which is good. I'm glad that I >> like for example my when I bought my new MacBook
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I say new. When did I buy this? Like it's been a few years now. >> I was like
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>> I'm going to be an idiot and I'm going to get a 4 terbte SSD in it.
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>> It's a Mac. So I paid up out the [laughter] ass for it because for some
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reason Apple's just like you know what [ __ ] you. [laughter] they were already like
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>> for some reason Apple's SSDs are just three times the cost of anyone else's.
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>> It's ridiculous. There's no justification for it except it's just
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whatever. Um so but I did I got 4 TB so I'm good like on hard drive space in my
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laptop. Uh I'm good. You know, my server's got uh if I'm more sensible about what I
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pack up pack back up onto it instead of just being like [ __ ] it just put
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everything on there. I've got tons of room like I don't need anything. But >> yeah,
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>> that will eventually run out. And then somebody said memory uh camera memory
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cards, too. I've got >> I bought >> I've got three camera cards that I could
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swap between if I need to. >> Y but if I needed to buy a new one, >> man, it's up as well.
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>> It's like a dollar a gigabyte at the moment. Like 128 gigabyte SSD card is
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like $128. It's [ __ ] ridiculous. >> You're just buying them for fun at some
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point. I swear to God, they were like they were like 30 or 40 bucks each first
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time and it's like far out. >> That's a It's weird that that's gone up in price.
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>> Yeah. >> I didn't think that would be impacted.
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>> Everything, mate. And uh as we've said before, the
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prediction is that next year it's going to get worse before it gets better
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because yes, so a lot of this stuff is going to have to change or go away or
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whatever, but not yet. It's going to get worse first. It's going to get worse and
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then it's going to come time to repay some of these loans
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factories to increase production because they think this bubble's going to burst
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and then they're going to have built all these factories and then all the
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business is going to disappear overnight >> and it's not like they can like
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making a lot of money right now but are they still gonna you know Yeah.
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doesn't and eventually the RAM companies will be like, "Well, I guess we better
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build some more shit." >> Well, yeah. Camera memory cards are stupidly expensive.
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is if you need something, buy it now. Do not wait. >> It's going to get worse.
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>> Exactly. Unless you think you're not going to need it for 2 or 3 years, like
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as strange as it may sound, now is a still a good better time to buy.
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>> I'll stick with what I've got and I'll just change cards at the moment. I think
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I can survive with that. It's not like I use my camera that often.
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>> No, but even a computer, if you need a computer, people, a lot of people out
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there might be thinking, "Oh, wait. It depends. It depends. You might have to
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wait a long time. You might have to wait at least another year or two." >> Yeah.
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>> Before anything changes. The only good thing is is computers last
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longer than they used to. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> When we were growing up, it was like
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every six months you needed to upgrade something to get the next game to work. >> Yeah.
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>> That was a horrible time. >> Yeah. I bought this Mac in November 2023
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according to the specs here. So that's what almost almost three years ago now. >> Yeah.
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>> Uh I mean I have no reason to to upgrade it. >> No, >> it's it's perfectly fine.
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>> Yep. and my phone too. Well, my phone is my camera at the moment, but
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>> I have no reason to get a new phone. So, >> I guess I'm okay for now. >> For now,
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>> who are coming to the end of their >> Yeah. >> life cycle and
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>> buy on their on their old computer. And then I hate to say it, now might be a
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good time even though it doesn't seem like it because next year >> is worse time. Yeah.
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>> Um yeah, so cloud gaming
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>> maybe not. >> Uh in other game news, what do we got
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here? Um oh, the uh the Witcher. >> I saw this as well.
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>> A lot of good Witcher stuff going on. and >> but also one bad one.
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>> It's not bad as such because I didn't know this was even happening. And so
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it's good news in that this is this is a thing that is happening. It's just on hold.
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>> The Witcher aka the first game >> is being remade
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>> by the City Project Red. >> Yes. Um, >> which I'm hoping that it's being
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completely remade and they're making it to be more like Witcher 3 because I would imagine
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>> Witcher is hard. [laughter] >> Yeah, I know. I never finished it. I got
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very close to the end, which I know because I watched a playthrough of the
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end because I was like, I just need to know what happens. >> Yeah.
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>> Um, and it was clunky. >> Yeah,
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>> I really enjoyed it. It's very good. Like there's things about it that are
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just great that that they even abandoned later. Um like the way that in in the first
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Witcher game, uh this is in the second one a bit too. It just kind of went away
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in the third one. Um when you're going to battle a creature,
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like if you get hired, you know, there's not not just Well, even your average
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drowners and whatnot, you you you have to figure out what their weaknesses are first.
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>> Yes. Yep. And then put that oil on your blade and
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>> Exactly. So, in the first Witcher one, you got to get books and you've got to
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read the books. You got to figure things out. >> Did it hold your hand like The Witcher 3
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did like he might want this in in in a lot of ways it doesn't hold your hand.
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then there's also that very funny thing. This is my favorite thing about it,
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whereas if you're rude to people, they just won't talk to you anymore. And in
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particular, the first village you go to, there's a dwarf who's the blacksmith.
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cunt." And he won't talk to you ever again. And then you can't talk to a
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blacksmith until you progress to the next [ __ ] chapter in the game. >> So beware.
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>> And Yeah. And you really want to upgrade your weapons in that [laughter] game.
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>> Too bad you're racist. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But no. Yeah. It's sort of a shame
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it's on hold, but >> Yeah. Yeah. So, it's on hold. They can
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focus on Witcher 4 and new expansion stuff. Yeah. Um, but >> that's fair.
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>> Yeah. But it does confirm that it is happening, which is good news cuz
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>> I think everybody said >> The Witcher could do with it, the first
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one, cuz it's a great game, great story. >> It is. >> Uh, and a lot of people haven't
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experienced it because once you go back to it from Witcher 2, Wer 3, and even
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Witcher 2. >> Yeah. You can't you can't go back. And it's
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really a shame because a lot of people don't get to if you would Yeah. If
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someone's going to play that now after playing like The Witcher 3 for their first game.
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>> Yeah. >> No, no. Wouldn't work. >> No. No. No. It's Yeah. It's very different.
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>> It's built on It's a modified version of I think the Neverwinter Nights engine.
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>> Oh, wow. >> It's Yeah, it's very clunky and old at this point.
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>> again. the story in it so good. Like I really enjoyed it.
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there's plot points in it where it's very non I guess it doesn't hold your
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hand in the plot either. >> There are certain things about it that
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you're just kind of left like it'll present you with the facts. >> Yeah.
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it's like you need to be following the story and then you'll at the end you'll
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understand what happened but if you don't do that you'll be like okay like
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go do this do that >> same with movies I think >> you can't you couldn't sit down a casual
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player couldn't play the game >> you need to commit
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these days you've got somebody there who just explains the plot to you at certain
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points just in case. Just in case you're not putting these pieces together
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yourself. Yeah. Yeah. The first game doesn't have that. >> No. >> Yeah.
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>> You need to if you don't read that piece of paper in your infantry, you're going
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to be very confused about what the [ __ ] is going on.
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for which this year, I think, >> and the remaster. I can't believe
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there's a [ __ ] remaster. So interesting. >> So nice of them.
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uh this one not so nice. Apparently there is a re-release of James Pond.
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weeks ago. Uh I don't think we talked about it, but some company I think it
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was on Kickstarter. Um there's a I think or is it No, it's just happening I think.
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>> Okay. >> It even got crowdfunded. It's a remake
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remaster remake of um the of the James Pond games. It's called
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James Pond Legacy: The Pond is Not Enough collection and it's they put a
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trailer and some concept art out and it's all very AI looking.
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>> Oh. >> And uh they said no. No, it's not. And
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then they released a bunch of um progress shots of the art and stuff like
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that that people were like, >> "No, you've just made in between things
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of the original art from the, you know, the old old Amigga version or whatever
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>> Oh god. Yeah. I'm looking at the the timeline of the
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cow. I don't just traced that. >> Exactly. [laughter] You just traced it
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and erased things from the AI one to make it look like it was a progress
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shot. [gasps] So now the um the original creator of um James Pond has come out
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because I guess he has nothing to do with this. And he says, "I hope they
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choke on an AI generated fishbone." He calls it disrespectful and soulless
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because uh yeah, very strange. Um Oh yeah, there is the progress shot. Yeah, it's [ __ ]
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stupid. >> Yeah, it's like so supposed like you you
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can clearly see that AI doesn't get that the arm cannon is supposed to look like
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a um a milk. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
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>> Yeah. It's It's very obviously. I mean, if it's not AI, they've just done a
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terrible job. >> Yeah. If it's not AI, this is not the game people are imagining.
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>> This is a thing at the moment, though. I say I say I I think this is AI uh
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>> because they've got enough people with eyes on it that it's sensible. But
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there's a subreddit called uh I think it's is this AI? And that people do now have trouble
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>> and they get it and it's they just can't tell and then so they post it and they
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go is this AI or is it not and then there'll be an argument about it in the sub it's like
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>> it used to be very easy all you do look at the hands.
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>> Yes. But now AI sort of got the hang of that a little bit more and now it's
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going to focus more on the background and >> but there are tools that can tell you
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like OpenAI has a tool that if you >> give it the picture it can tell you oh
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OpenAI tools we used to make this or whatever. So those that's pretty handy. But
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>> um in some cases, yeah, I think it's not so simple because the other thing people
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do and I think there's a question about whether this is okay. Like if you're an artist
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and you have AI do a draft >> and then you elaborate on the draft, is
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that okay? >> Luke, >> I [laughter] don't know.
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>> I think a lot of people would say no. I I'm leaning towards no because
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>> I don't know because a lot of people use that for writing too now. Journalists
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and stuff use it for writing too. So I think it's it's I mean I would argue
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it's the same thing. You're having the AI figure out the broad strokes of a thing
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and then you're going in and and enhancing it with your flavor.
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>> At the end of the day, I don't think it's going to matter. M
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>> Elon Musk is going to build his billion robot army. They're going to put AI in
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that and we're just replaced. So >> yeah. Yeah. Guess get used to it.
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>> It just We're all replaceable now.
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>> I saw someone post on um a read subreddit the other day. They made a a
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game. They said, "Oh, they made a little adventure game." And then uh link to it
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on Steam and then the screenshots. It's obviously all the art is AI generated
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and then people were like >> uh maybe rethink this like because the
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question is that art's AI generated so what else did you did you make any of this yourself
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>> because it is you literally can at this point sit down and say make me a game
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and it will >> but then it might just be a case of he did make the game but
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>> didn't know the art side. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, and and that's that's
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fine. Like you you have to disclose that on the page and like you know some
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people don't mind it, some people don't like it.
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>> Like but it's just I don't know. I feel like at a certain point
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>> like if you didn't do any of it, >> then how are you selling it?
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>> Yeah, maybe don't Yeah, maybe don't put it up because it's kind of That's a
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little embarrassing, isn't it? >> I don't know. It's weird. I It's weird. >> Yeah.
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Don't no don't care for us. >> But no, this James Pond, I honestly
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think this is not It's nice that they're going back and remaking this game
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because I do remember James Bond, but going back and making it to even if this
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is their intended outcome for what it's going to look like.
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>> It's not taking me back to remember that game. It looks horrible.
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>> Clearly, no one likes it. >> Yeah. would have come better with like that
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still having that retro feel to it instead of this >> 3D that's big right now. Yeah, that
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stuff's big. >> Use um >> so why not go down that path? That would be fine.
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>> Yeah, arguably better. But >> yes, what do we know?
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>> Nothing apparently. >> Yeah. >> Do you know what I do know? >> What do you know?
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>> You don't own your games, mate. [sighs]
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>> Yes. Unfortunately, that is true.
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>> Sony has come out and said people are
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aware of it and uh and uh they've got this class action lawsuit.
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>> Mhm. And um the lawsuit says that Sony or the PlayStation store doesn't make it
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obvious enough that players are merely purchasing a revocable license to play a
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game, aka they can take it away from you >> rather than owning the game. Uh it says
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specifically fails to clearly and conspicuously disclose to consumers at
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the point of sale that these transactions do not convey ownership of
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the digital game. It argues the company relegates this information to
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inconspicuous text or separate agreements to that consumers are not
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required to affirmatively acknowledge. Sony says, "Nah, mate, you knew what you
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were getting into." >> Uh, which is a load of crap, but also true at the same time.
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>> Mhm. >> It's only really just become apparent that people are now starting to
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understand, oh, we don't we're buying a license. We're not buying the actual
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game. It's only >> Yeah. I mean, we know because we've
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talked about this a lot over the years. Uh, but I don't think it's common knowledge.
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>> No. And look, when you do go on to something that says confirm purchase,
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you assume you're buying that product. >> When there's a buy button, people think
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it's buy, but you're not. You're buying a license. And it does say it, but it's not like
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>> it's not for they basic. They've got a screenshot of the Sony page here. And by
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selecting confirm purchase, you agree to complete the purchase in accordance with
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terms of service and you first acknowledge that the purchase of this
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digital product amounts to a license subject to a software product license agreement.
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>> People don't know what >> No, no. I'm buying the game.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. Because that's how it's always worked
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>> traditionally and people didn't realize it was different. >> Yep. >> Yeah.
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>> What was the first thing that really I think hit people was mythbusters.
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I think was the big one that sort of hit people where that was taken off some
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product and it was just no, we're taking it away from everyone. Like it's not
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just you can't buy it anymore. Even if you purchased it, it's gone. >> Yeah.
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>> That's the first big one where people started to find out that it's Yeah. You're not
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>> I mean this has happened on iTunes for a long time. I think it was just not as
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common and not as like um not as I guess
405
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>> I I I think with iTunes it was something not new.
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00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:41,279
>> Terminator 2 was the big one a long time ago. >> I um I'd purchased the Scott Pilgrim
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soundtrack. >> Oh yeah. >> And then I went to go listen to once and
408
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,120
a few of the songs were gone and I went, "Oh, that's odd." But thought nothing of
409
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:51,120
it and then it wasn't until a lot later went, "Oh, hold on. They lost the rights
410
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,799
to that." And I >> Yeah. I bought albums on on iTunes many
411
00:31:54,799 --> 00:31:59,519
many many years ago and they're not >> available anymore like and they just are
412
00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:01,840
gone now and it's like hang on a minute >> like
413
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:06,159
>> I think you got hit when you transferred to America.
414
00:32:06,159 --> 00:32:10,559
>> I did. Yeah, they fixed that though. >> They did fix that eventually, but yes, I
415
00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:14,080
did. I had to keep both accounts and I had to switch between them for a while
416
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,200
until they allowed you to do a transfer. But they did fix that.
417
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:22,159
>> Yeah. Oh, okay. Um but the big one was Terminator 2 because
418
00:32:22,159 --> 00:32:28,320
at some point Terminator 2 was available on um iTunes and I had bought it through
419
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,600
Movies Anywhere. Movies Anywhere was that one. It's owned by Disney I think
420
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,240
where you buy and it gives it to you on all the platforms.
421
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,640
>> Yeah. But something happened and um the
422
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:43,200
license I think for whatever company had the license before lost the license and
423
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it got transferred to another one and it basically just disappeared from a bunch
424
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,120
of people's libraries and I guess it wasn't as big as a news of a new story
425
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,480
at the time because it was just that one movie and it was kind of a niche >> Yeah.
426
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,760
>> thing. But that was the one of the very early ones that I was like, you know
427
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,679
what, [ __ ] this. I'm not buying these on here anymore. >> Yep.
428
00:32:59,679 --> 00:33:04,320
>> Cuz I'm not buying them. >> No. And because the annoying thing is
429
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:09,440
like when Xbox was selling movies, I was occasionally buying like, "Oh, I'll buy
430
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that. It's five bucks on special. I'll buy it and I might watch it one day."
431
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,320
But then it got to a point like, "No, if I'm buying it and by the time I feel,
432
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,240
oh, I might be ready to watch this in 10 years time, it
433
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,760
>> probably won't be there." So, I've just >> Yeah. [clears throat and cough] I used
434
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:28,240
to think >> my thinking now is right if I have to
435
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:33,840
buy it I'll just rent it because unless right if it's with with the way that I
436
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,120
consume movies right if I'm going to watch a movie
437
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,799
>> I'll either sit down and I'm going to watch it right now. >> Yep.
438
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:43,760
>> Or I can't guarantee when I'm going to watch it.
439
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,799
>> So it's not worth me buying it on one of these platforms where like you said it
440
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:52,720
might be gone by the time I get around to watching it. So, unless I'm sitting
441
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:58,799
down right now if I can't get it from somewhere else [laughter]
442
00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:03,760
>> then I'll just rent it because it's like what two or three bucks instead of 10
443
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:08,399
and like I don't know if I'm going to watch it next week. So, [ __ ] it. Like
444
00:34:08,399 --> 00:34:11,040
I'm certainly not going to watch a movie twice. Do you know what I mean? I don't
445
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:15,839
have time for that anymore. So, there's no buying them is kind of pointless.
446
00:34:15,839 --> 00:34:20,000
Well, that's why that's why there's sort of this resurger of people going back to
447
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,040
physical media, but even then, you're
448
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:28,879
not guaranteed because >> well, think about all those people had
449
00:34:28,879 --> 00:34:32,960
those big VHS collections. And we know someone who has a big VHS collection. >> Yeah.
450
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,240
>> Buying a working VHS is actually hard to do now. So,
451
00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:40,320
>> I've got one, but yeah, it's I mean, they don't make new ones, I don't think.
452
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,000
Well, they probably do now. They might do, but it's going to be the same. Like
453
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:49,280
they can just stop >> making Blu-ray players >> or like uh HD DVD. >> Yeah.
454
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,720
>> What are you going to watch those on? That went away. >> Your laser disc.
455
00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:57,440
>> Yeah, Blu-ray could go the same way. And will eventually obviously Blu-rays.
456
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,119
Well, look at Sony. They're not putting the drives in the [ __ ] PlayStations anymore.
457
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:03,119
>> How long do you think they're going to make Blu-ray players?
458
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:08,640
>> And remember, the reason why Blu-ray was such a big thing was because of the um
459
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:14,000
PlayStation 3. Yeah, >> cuz it came with a Blu-ray player. >> Yeah. So, I think
460
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,839
I think unfortunately this is inevitable. >> Yes.
461
00:35:17,839 --> 00:35:22,880
>> Um I think just stop buying them. [laughter]
462
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:28,400
Teach these [ __ ] a lesson. You have to That's a the um what's that argument
463
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:33,280
about? Um, people say, "I I pirate it because I
464
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:40,160
want to I don't want to pay them, but I want to um send them a message
465
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,200
>> kind of thing. I still want to watch it, but I I don't want to pay for it." But
466
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,000
then the thing is that if they see everybody's pirating it, they know you
467
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,480
want it. And so what they actually try to do is prevent you from pirating it.
468
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,800
>> Like they're not that they're not making it easier.
469
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,079
>> Yeah. You're not actually making the stand you think you are. No, it's
470
00:35:56,079 --> 00:36:00,160
sending a mixed message to them because it's like you're saying that like this
471
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,640
thing has no value to you, but you're still getting it illegally, which means
472
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,720
it obviously does because you're risking you're risking
473
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:14,960
>> things like if it didn't mean anything, you just >> would boycott it completely.
474
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:21,760
>> Not watch it. Like, yeah, done. >> You're not f not convinced this workound
475
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:26,720
in your head is making this moral, >> right? So, I don't know. I think this whole
476
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:31,440
digital thing, there's not much we can do about it. It certainly makes me rethink
477
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:36,480
buying as many things though, like you said, because I I now before I'd be
478
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,119
like, "Oh, this is on sale. I'll grab it." Now, I think
479
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:41,760
>> am I ever going to get around to playing this? >> Yes.
480
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,760
>> And if I can't guarantee that I'll get around to playing it, well, then
481
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,200
>> this could be a waste of money because it could disappear tomorrow. >> Yep.
482
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:54,480
>> So, unless I'm going to play it right now, >> I'm not I'm not >> Leave it there.
483
00:36:54,480 --> 00:37:01,200
That's changed my buying habits. >> Yes. >> Yeah.
484
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,920
Uh Steam >> has had a data leak.
485
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:11,520
>> That's quite a big data leak. >> 12 terabytes is quite big. Uh and I
486
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:16,320
don't I mean how the [ __ ] did they do this? Um a public accessible a publicly
487
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:21,839
accessible end point. >> Uh and no hacking was required. Somebody
488
00:37:21,839 --> 00:37:27,280
has managed to slurp up 12 terabytes of data from both complete and beta
489
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:32,320
versions of games including HalfLife uh was it part three the you know the
490
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,160
expansion that never came out the canceled one. >> Yep.
491
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:42,160
>> A bunch of stuff and third party games too. And uh yeah it's very strange.
492
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:47,040
>> Wow. Like how do it's it's sort of strange it's sort of sat there
493
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,680
unprotected for so long and someone finally found it.
494
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:54,119
>> Yeah. 12 terabytes is
495
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:59,680
>> just a lot. [gasps] >> Yeah. They found a build of Left 4 Dead
496
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,119
from several months ply prior to its actual release which features a
497
00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:06,079
different hard voice lines which never featured in the retail version and
498
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:10,640
sections of the map that were altered. >> How did people have so much time to go
499
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:17,040
through all this stuff? >> Well, yeah. I don't know.
500
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:22,560
like to sit down and go compare it to the the game that's released to the what
501
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:27,680
they found and compare the different lines that were in it and weren't. And
502
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:32,480
>> um it's the Valve related content creator Gabe Follower. Is Gabe Follower
503
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:38,800
his name or what he does? [laughter] >> I'm guessing it might be what he does. I
504
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:45,800
just think it's funny >> because that could also be a a name.
505
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:51,920
No, it it can't be. It's too on the nose for it to be an actual name.
506
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,280
>> He's just he's following Gabe Mule. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't know. It's very
507
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,119
interesting. Uh cuz that's like I said 12 terabytes is a [ __ ] lot and
508
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:04,000
somebody's just managed to slurp that down without >> having
509
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:09,359
they were I don't think they doesn't seem like they were too concerned with what the
510
00:39:09,359 --> 00:39:14,079
>> what the information was there. If it's like 12 terabytes just unprotected.
511
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:18,880
Well, it says Valve transitioned to a different storage system in 2013, which
512
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:23,267
is why the data ends at that point, which is I guess lucky for them
513
00:39:23,267 --> 00:39:26,560
[laughter] because otherwise it would have been even more. >> Yeah.
514
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,079
>> And so maybe this is just some legacy system that's just
515
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:36,960
>> sat there forgotten about or >> 13 years. >> Yeah. Uh includes the entire Steam
516
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:43,280
library from 2003 and 2013. from between 2003 to 2013. Not
517
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:49,119
just Valve games, it's the whole Steam library was only 12 terabytes.
518
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:54,720
>> Yeah, that's interesting, right? >> At one point. Yeah. >> The 2013 that seems small.
519
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:59,680
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Cuz [clears throat] Yeah. Anyway, yeah.
520
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:06,240
Definitely wasn't Games Today. >> No. >> Which Val hasn't commented on it, but uh
521
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:10,960
that's a thing that's happened. >> Yeah. I don't think there's much for him to comment on.
522
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:15,200
>> No. Yeah, we [ __ ] up. >> Yeah. >> Should have probably uh
523
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:21,920
>> you found that heard that >> we've now fixed it. >> Well, presumably they have. Yeah.
524
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,320
>> The only thing that the only thing that I think they'd really have to come out
525
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,480
and talk about is if there was customer data in there.
526
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,520
>> Yeah, it doesn't sound like it. Well, I
527
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:38,480
guess unless you count um the game publishers as customers, which they are.
528
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,320
>> They are, but I don't think it's got their bank account details in there.
529
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,560
>> Probably not. Probably not.
530
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:51,839
Um uh I've been watching, uh Silo. Did we [clears throat] talk about this last week?
531
00:40:51,839 --> 00:40:55,440
>> We We have. How is it going? I think the last episode just came out.
532
00:40:55,440 --> 00:41:00,880
>> I watched it last night. Last episode of this season. There's one more season. Yes.
533
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:06,560
>> And uh let's just say without spoilers, we got some answers last night,
534
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:12,000
>> but just some more questions as well. It's very good. It's very good.
535
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,680
>> So, it did answer some of these questions that you were sort of like
536
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,319
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. >> Last week you were talking like you're
537
00:41:18,319 --> 00:41:21,920
hoping that these are all going to pay off because it's setting some stuff up. That's
538
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:27,040
>> I have a pretty good idea. I have an idea of I don't I don't know how to spoil
539
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:33,280
things. Um yes answer a good picture of how things work. Now
540
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:39,119
>> the questions remaining are mostly why and
541
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:42,800
who's responsible for this? >> Those are the main questions I have now.
542
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:47,680
Why is it like this and who did this? >> Okay,
543
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,920
>> it's very good. But but the the functional questions about how things
544
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,839
work are mostly answered now, I think. >> Well, I'm going to start watching it now
545
00:41:55,839 --> 00:41:59,040
that the last episode's out. So, I'm going to renew Apple. Apple, you're
546
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:03,599
drawing me back in >> because Seance didn't. So,
547
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:09,040
>> I I I got Silos's better than for me. I'm enjoying it. I like it better than
548
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:15,440
Severance. I like Se a good bit, but uh >> yeah, Silo like we're doing like like I
549
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:20,640
probably mentioned, we're re-watching all of it. >> Uh and we're So, we've been watching
550
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,400
season 3 as it came out. Started re-watching from the start. We're now
551
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,960
back up to season three [laughter] in our rewatch and it actually gets a
552
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:34,400
little confusing because it would >> we started last night's episode and
553
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,760
luckily they have a little recap before but I had to do a little little mental
554
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:43,920
reset of like hang on >> last episode which which last [laughter] episode was
555
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:49,440
the one before this one like >> no I can't wait to watch it because
556
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:55,680
season two while I liked I didn't mind it did lose me a little bit. It felt a bit
557
00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:00,319
>> I think >> on the rewatch I really liked season 2 but I think the
558
00:43:00,319 --> 00:43:04,880
>> the reason is that you don't quite understand
559
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:09,760
why things are important. >> Yeah. until the end of it. And then on a
560
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:15,280
rewatch, I actually got more out of it because you're you're going, "Oh, okay. Okay."
561
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,440
>> Like, >> okay. All right. Maybe a rewatch, but I'm looking forward.
562
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,079
>> It's important. I guess there's a reason that it's
563
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:27,920
>> do showing you what it's showing you kind of thing. >> Okay. >> Yep. All right.
564
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:32,160
All right. Apple, you getting my money again. >> And they've filmed season 4 already. I
565
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,920
don't know if we talked about that. It comes out summer next year. And then uh that's
566
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,520
>> it's sort of weird that this is happening now like for for so long like
567
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,520
with severance where like filming was put up oh we haven't even started
568
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,040
filming next season it's years away and now we've got like this which oh we've
569
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:51,440
already filmed it and same with Star Trek Strange News World that's already filmed and
570
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,760
>> yeah I think with something like this it was very popular. They're like okay
571
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,960
we're going to make all of it. We know that we are now. Let's just do it
572
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:04,800
because Rebecca Ferguson is very [ __ ] busy. Yes. And >> she's more expensive now.
573
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,560
>> Yeah. So, let's just get everyone and like Common and all the other actors
574
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,079
presumably. I think a lot of the actors in this will probably go on to do bigger
575
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:16,319
things as well. >> Yeah. >> So, let's just get them all in and get
576
00:44:16,319 --> 00:44:18,640
it done because we know we're going to do it. Let's just spend the money.
577
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,640
>> Why? We can keep paying him what we're paying them.
578
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,319
>> Yeah. It's not going to be cheaper [laughter] in two years. So, let's just
579
00:44:24,319 --> 00:44:29,680
[ __ ] do it. Yeah. No, I'm happy about it.
580
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:35,280
>> Ah, man. Great show. >> Yeah. >> Really like it.
581
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:41,359
>> It's good. Well, there's another show you have on here. Have you actually watched this?
582
00:44:41,359 --> 00:44:48,160
>> No, I will, but this is sad. Uh, Spider Noir. >> Um, which I do really want to watch. I
583
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:52,480
just haven't gotten around to it yet. It's been cancelled after one season
584
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,839
despite the fact that it's been nominated for a bunch of Emmys
585
00:44:55,839 --> 00:45:01,280
>> and uh and everybody loved it. >> I think it was one of these shows that
586
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,040
>> like it's winning awards, everything, but the problem is is no one was
587
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,960
actually watching it. >> Is that true? Maybe it's true. Yeah.
588
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:13,680
>> I watched the first episode and it didn't draw me in. >> Oh, really?
589
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:19,200
>> Yeah. You haven't watched it at all? >> No, I haven't. That's fair. The reason I
590
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,960
haven't watched it is not I probably would have except I wanted to watch it
591
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:27,200
with Jenna and with who watches Zyo. >> So [laughter] it's like it's not like
592
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,599
that I'm putting it off as such. It's just a put it in.
593
00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:35,680
>> But the way with television shows now it's not like in the old days where you
594
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:41,359
with week to week they you get all of it and they watch very closely to see who's
595
00:45:41,359 --> 00:45:47,200
and they make the decisions very quickly now. >> Well, silo's been week to week.
596
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:53,280
be killing me. Um I imagine cage is probably expensive too. >> Yes.
597
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:58,400
>> Imagining that that's the case. >> I don't know anymore.
598
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:05,119
>> Yeah. Do people take a pay cut for TV? I think some TV is prestigious enough now
599
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:09,920
that people do take a pay cut, but >> something like this.
600
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:14,720
>> Like this isn't He's It's not 1990s anymore where Nicholas Cage
601
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:19,760
>> That's fair. That's fair. Yeah. >> Like what was I don't It's been a while
602
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,839
since we've really seen him in anything. >> That's true. >> I can remember.
603
00:46:23,839 --> 00:46:26,800
>> That's kind of a joke. >> Not saying that he's cheap, but
604
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:32,720
>> No, no, no. I know. He's done a lot of [ __ ] >> Yes. >> Over the years.
605
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:37,440
>> Have you watched um >> releasing movies, couple of movies every year?
606
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,400
>> Have you seen what's the one? Um The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent.
607
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Have you seen that movie? >> No. >> Oh, you've got to watch it. The one with Pedro Pascal.
608
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Oh, that's the one where that scene comes from, isn't it?
609
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>> Yeah, you've got to watch it, mate. It's so good. It's such a funny movie.
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00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:58,720
>> It's really good. >> I will watch it. Oh, will I? Can I watch
611
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:05,040
it on anything? >> Oh, interesting. Yeah, just buy it. Buy [laughter]
612
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:11,040
buy it. >> Uh, Amazon available rental purchase.
613
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:16,319
Ephol rental purchase streaming. No currently subscriptions.
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00:47:16,319 --> 00:47:21,839
>> Yeah. Sucks. >> That does sucks. [snorts]
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00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:25,920
Um, you [clears throat] mentioned Star Trek. >> Yes.
616
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:30,800
>> There's some news here that I'm like gh about.
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>> They're making a new Star Trek movie. >> And
618
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>> are they making the R-rated one from >> Tarantino? >> Tarantino. Yes.
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>> No. >> No. >> This is um what are these guys? Uh
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00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:52,640
these guys did the Dungeons and Dragons movie, right? Okay. That was a good movie.
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00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:58,160
>> But the problem is this is the pitch. >> The new Star Trek movie will explore bad
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apples in Starfleet. That's not Star Trek. There's no like Star Trek.
623
00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:09,119
>> We've already sort of had that movie. >> Yeah. And it's [ __ ] Like that's not
624
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:12,319
that's Don't do that. That's the whole point of Star Trek is that No, no, no,
625
00:48:12,319 --> 00:48:15,680
no. Human, humanity's figured itself out. >> We're all working together. Gene
626
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,680
Rodenberry would not sign off on this movie. >> Like, what are they doing? Like, no, no,
627
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this isn't Star Trek. Star Trek is them out in the universe solving like
628
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:28,480
problems with aliens and like >> Yes. Enforcing our will upon the rest of the universe.
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00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,119
>> Yeah. Humanity is supposed to be a utopia at this point. They figured
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everything out like like this whole thing where there's like >> conspiracies and stuff.
631
00:48:36,319 --> 00:48:40,400
>> The conflict shouldn't be internal with Star Trek. And then when they show like,
632
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,800
oh, there's all these like poor people on Earth. No, no, no. That's the whole
633
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,760
point is that we supposed to have figured that out. Stop it.
634
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:52,400
>> Cuz we got replicator technology, which means you take away worrying about food
635
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,079
and everything. And >> yes, >> that's why there's no money on Earth.
636
00:48:56,079 --> 00:49:00,640
>> That's what Star Trek is. [laughter] Stop it.
637
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>> Like anyway, so I don't know. I just think this is
638
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:10,640
stupid. Yeah, it's but it's the only Star Trek that's
639
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,559
in development at the moment. >> Y >> there's nothing else in development which
640
00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:17,920
>> I'm heartened by the fact that all of the comments on this were like no
641
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:23,040
thanks. [laughter] >> Yeah, >> stop it. Stop trying to make gritty dark
642
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:29,520
Star Trek. That's not what the all the successful Star Trek movies aren't this.
643
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:35,754
They're the ones where they go out into space and they do cool [ __ ] >> Yes. [laughter]
644
00:49:38,974 --> 00:49:45,440
>> [sighs and gasps] >> Rant finished. >> Yeah. I'm just trying to have a look
645
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,440
like Yeah. Everyone sort of like Yeah. Like Jean Roder's vision was to point to
646
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:54,960
the light in the future of space exploration. >> Mhm. I just think it's odd.
647
00:49:54,960 --> 00:50:01,119
>> I mean, it's not odd. It's what it's f it fits with what people are into
648
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these days, I suppose. I just feel like that not everything has to be like that.
649
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:11,119
>> I'm just wondering are these two fans of Star Trek
650
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or if they just Yep. This would be a good career move for us. >> Yeah.
651
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:22,880
>> So, I think you you look at like J.J. Abrams was honest about it. He was more
652
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of a Star Wars fan than a Star Trek fan. And that comes across when you look at
653
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:30,400
the Star Trek movies he did because they're more like Star Wars movies which
654
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,800
>> Yeah. They've got that fast pace. It's Yeah.
655
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:39,760
>> And I think like that worked like they were probably more popular
656
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,119
than they would have been otherwise because of that. But I do think it
657
00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:50,079
changed what they were. >> Yes. >> Like >> Yeah. >> So, but I guess it's a business. It's
658
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:53,359
not a >> It's a business. We'll just have to wait and see.
659
00:50:53,359 --> 00:50:57,760
>> Mhm. But hopefully with all the feedback they're getting, maybe they will just
660
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they won't. >> Maybe we can have another go at this. [laughter]
661
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,920
But no, they've already got this already locked in. >> Probably. >> Yeah,
662
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:10,400
>> I don't know. I like I said, I just read the headline and I was like, "No thank you.
663
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:16,480
>> No thank you." >> Um, in other science fiction news, uh,
664
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,960
let's do this one first. Ridley Scott,
665
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:25,599
that's weighed in. And uh oh, >> that article's not loading.
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>> Article's gone. >> That's fine. I read it. I know what I
667
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,240
know what Ridley I've seen a few articles about. I'll find another one before we uh
668
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:36,240
>> Okay. So, it's it's I haven't rec. It's out there.
669
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:41,520
>> No, no. Ridley Scott said that. Um [sighs and gasps] so, there's other
670
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:46,000
articles about Did we talk about this part of it? Okay. He's coming back and
671
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,119
he's going to do the third one of the movies that he was, you know, he did
672
00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:53,359
Prometheus, Alien Covenant, and then he was going to do a third one and then no
673
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one liked Alien Covenant, so he went away. >> Yes,
674
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:03,200
>> he didn't think Romulus was that good, which I agree with. But now he being
675
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Ridley Scott thinks he's obviously required to come back and do the one he
676
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was going to do with >> I didn't mind Robbie Listen. I thought
677
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it was definitely better than his last movie. >> I think Romulus was all I also think
678
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Romulus was better than Alien Covenant even though I didn't like it that much. Um and I
679
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>> but he's definitely >> sadly Scott used to be one of my
680
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favorite directors. These days I'm like okay old man back in your box. Like [laughter]
681
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I don't have any confidence in your taste anymore. So, he's gonna do one
682
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,079
>> set after Covenant where >> I know I'm not gonna rant about this
683
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:48,319
again. I I rewatched Alien Covenant a couple of years ago. I had so many problems with it.
684
00:52:48,319 --> 00:52:53,440
>> It doesn't explain a whole bunch of [ __ ] >> I don't think making another movie after
685
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:59,280
is going to make it any better. >> No. Well, I'm unless it's the movie in
686
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between that movie. Those two movies. >> The one that I want
687
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>> you see her flying around on a spaceship with a head and a bag.
688
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:12,880
>> Yeah. No, it's not. It's going to be David after Covenant when he somehow
689
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,319
managed to [ __ ] swallow
690
00:53:16,319 --> 00:53:21,760
that thing with the alien embryo in it. just [gasps]
691
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:26,319
>> but look it does to me this is >> to me this is just sort of showing that
692
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they are just rubber stamping his name onto movies as a producer >> or
693
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,720
it is possible he's just talking [ __ ] and this isn't actually going to happen
694
00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:42,400
>> well he was producer of Alien Romulus >> No that's fair he does he's still got a
695
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,400
lot of pull but >> I think his name's just on it but it's
696
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got nothing to do with him actually being a part of it
697
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,000
>> well he does and he doesn't, right? Because the whole point of this was,
698
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this is why I think this whole thing is stupid. He didn't want to make any more
699
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alien movies. He wanted to make a movie about aliens seeding humanity, like a
700
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Charity of the Gods style movie. Nothing to do with Alien or anything like that,
701
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,440
>> but he came but he put it in the Alien universe or some
702
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,960
>> No, because they wouldn't let him make it. They wouldn't give him the money.
703
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,440
And then he was like, "I want to make this movie." And then they were like,
704
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:20,559
"No, we want you to make an alien movie." So, he took that script that was
705
00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:23,920
uh if you if you read what the original script was, it was literally a prequel
706
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:30,400
to um Alien and it was quite good. >> Yep. >> And then he said, "All right, I'll make
707
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,359
that then." And they were like, "All right, great." And then he went took it
708
00:54:33,359 --> 00:54:36,480
away and he went, "Fuck you." And he just changed it [laughter] all into what
709
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,760
he wanted to do. >> Which is which is why it doesn't fit
710
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,599
with Alien properly anymore because he was like, "I don't want to do that."
711
00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:47,440
>> But I'll take your money though. >> Right. He doesn't give a [ __ ] that it
712
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:52,480
doesn't make sense. >> No. So,
713
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:56,960
yeah. I just cuz the the only real thing that tied it into Alien was there was an
714
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:02,000
alien at the end for some reason, >> right? It was intentionally disconnected
715
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:06,960
from Alien because he didn't Yeah. And then >> and then for some reason Alien Covenant,
716
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,880
he was like, you know, actually it is connected to Alien, but in a stupid way,
717
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,240
not in [laughter] a good way. And now he wants to make a third one to really tie
718
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:19,440
it in to show, you know, it's all >> Yeah, >> we'll wait and see. I don't I don't
719
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think it's going to get I don't think maybe his p is dying off.
720
00:55:25,359 --> 00:55:30,640
>> Maybe. Although executive producer on a lot of stuff.
721
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:35,680
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> All right. I'm going to put this article in place of the other one.
722
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,680
>> Yeah.
723
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:45,440
Uh, I put it in the wrong section. Let me put it right up here. Sorry. I know
724
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:49,359
this is not interesting to people. [laughter] All right. And then this one
725
00:55:49,359 --> 00:55:55,280
can [ __ ] off. [snorts] There we go. All right. Excellent. Now I can read the
726
00:55:55,280 --> 00:56:01,359
article. >> This one's a bit more harsh on Ridley.
727
00:56:01,359 --> 00:56:04,400
The headline for this one is Ridley Scott wants to help Alien after Romulus
728
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:08,799
was better than his films. [laughter] Not wrong. Well, actually, I like
729
00:56:08,799 --> 00:56:14,799
Prometheus. I like Prometheus despite Yes. I It's one of those things where I
730
00:56:14,799 --> 00:56:19,280
know why it's the way it is. So, I'm like I can just ignore the fact that
731
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,119
it's like Yes, it's >> I still remember for the longest time
732
00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:27,119
people were on like the Space Ax and No, the Space X made sense.
733
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:29,599
>> Yeah, that was not the biggest problem with that movie.
734
00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:34,160
>> No, the the problem with that movie is that he was he just said, "Oh, yeah. Oh,
735
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,760
yeah. I'll make it that alien movie." And then he just made it turned it into
736
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,960
what he wanted. Like that was the problem is it should have been one or the other.
737
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,760
>> Yeah. >> It should have been the alien movie that they had written which was the script
738
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:52,720
quite good >> or Ridley Scott's movie about aliens creating humanity. >> Not this hybrid.
739
00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:58,880
>> When when he smooshed them together [laughter] he [ __ ] it up. That's the problem.
740
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:05,520
>> And we never got the sequel we wanted. >> No. Sad news.
741
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:09,839
>> Star Wars fans. Yeah. Phil Tippet,
742
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famous Phil Tippet who uh who created many many many many of the special
743
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,640
effects for the Star Wars films and and other films
744
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:24,160
>> uh has gone bankrupt and has have to shutter his studio. >> Oh god. >> Uh
745
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:28,960
>> I sort of can understand why with everything going to
746
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:35,760
>> I thought it was a big resurgence of practical. >> You would think so. Um
747
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:41,359
but uh yeah, no he created stopmotion animation. Um
748
00:57:41,359 --> 00:57:44,079
sorry, a Hollywood effects wizard with a specialty in stopotion animation has
749
00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:47,200
rendered aliens, machines, and monsters across Star Wars, Robocop, and Jurassic
750
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Park. In 1984, he and his wife found a Tippet Studio, a visual effects shop
751
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:56,160
that has contributed to dozens of blockbusters. Like they've done so much
752
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:00,799
stuff over the years, like just really, really incredible special effects stuff. True.
753
00:58:00,799 --> 00:58:05,280
>> You have seen their work. I mean, I'd be surprised if you're a Star Wars fan, you
754
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:09,760
don't know the name Phil Tippet because he's such just such a big part of
755
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:14,000
everything. Um, but just not people
756
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:20,480
aren't, I guess, using the stuff that he um does anymore.
757
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,760
Sort of a shame because now whenever you see a movie come out that's all
758
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:29,359
practical effects, people go, "This looks so much better." >> Right. Yeah. Because
759
00:58:29,359 --> 00:58:32,960
it's it's just looks different on camera. like the fact that it's physically there.
760
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:39,599
>> Yeah. >> Um but so so they've had to um shut down the
761
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:43,680
company, but they're selling off a bunch of stuff. Um
762
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,480
which I I don't know exactly under what
763
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:51,520
circumstances, but like if Oh, it's in
764
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:56,880
the past, [ __ ] Did this already happen? >> Yeah.
765
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:01,040
>> Just publish it so that actions already happened. Yeah, they liquidated all of
766
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,799
the stuff. So, if you click here, I'll put this I'll put this in here as well
767
00:59:04,799 --> 00:59:07,839
if you want to have a look and be sad about the fact that you didn't get any
768
00:59:07,839 --> 00:59:10,240
of this stuff. >> There was no way I was going to be able
769
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,920
to afford any of this stuff anyway.
770
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:19,280
>> Tip it stuff cuz I'm guessing it didn't sell for
771
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:23,920
cheap. Probably not. So, there. Click through there
772
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:28,481
and then you can see uh scroll down and then have a look at some of the stuff that
773
00:59:28,481 --> 00:59:35,119
>> [gasps] >> And then if you expand that out, >> yeah,
774
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:41,599
>> AT80. And it's an AT80, not an adat. >> Just a lot of stuff. Like so much stuff.
775
00:59:41,599 --> 00:59:46,640
Some of this is obviously actual movie props and like little stop motion
776
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:52,240
animation figures from things. Uh some of it is toys based on things that he
777
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:58,079
made. Oh, the Cronin from uh Hellboy. His helmet. like again just they just made so much
778
00:59:58,079 --> 01:00:02,079
>> I think I know why he went bankrupt. He must have been renting so much space to
779
01:00:02,079 --> 01:00:08,960
store all his [laughter] stuff. [cough] >> But yeah, it's just uh Yeah, it's just
780
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:15,359
sad. It's a shame. >> Yeah, just so much stuff. Yeah, just this all
781
01:00:15,359 --> 01:00:21,440
went for a fortune. I know it. >> Oh, of course it always does.
782
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:25,040
But [sighs] yeah, >> I would love it more.
783
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:30,040
you would you would have appreciated it.
784
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:39,200
>> But yeah, >> mission. >> Well, before we head over to the
785
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:44,640
afterparty, there is something I want to mention. It's followup. >> Okay.
786
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:50,960
>> About our friend Alec Baldwin. >> Has he shot anyone else?
787
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,480
>> Not that I'm aware of. He's not been caught shooting anybody else. >> Um,
788
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:58,720
>> you still you got to run into him one day and you have to get an interview.
789
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:05,359
>> I'll do my best. Yeah. Uh, well, there's a documentary coming out about the trial and
790
01:01:05,359 --> 01:01:07,839
>> about the trial. >> Yeah. And I think this could be good
791
01:01:07,839 --> 01:01:11,599
because, uh, I watched the trial
792
01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:16,400
>> and it was slow and boring
793
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:20,720
mostly, but with bits of very compelling stuff happening.
794
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:25,119
>> Yep. particularly around the story about, you know, the bullets and how
795
01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:29,359
somebody turned in the bullets and said these were given to me and I was told
796
01:01:29,359 --> 01:01:32,000
just to hold on to them and blah blah blah. There's a whole thing about how
797
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:37,760
basically the the cops [ __ ] up. >> Yeah. >> Um and that's the reason
798
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:43,920
basically uh >> it all just got thrown out. Got thrown out, didn't it?
799
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:47,920
>> It got well the case against him was dismissed with prejudice. AK Yeah. Yes.
800
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:53,040
Thrown out. He can't be charged with this crime ever. It's he's he's done. It's he's free.
801
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:58,559
>> Yeah. >> Uh and no, I mean, he wasn't
802
01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:02,720
responsible. [clears throat] >> I I don't think like I know that yes, he
803
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:09,040
pulled the trigger and and he went on TV and said he didn't, but that was just he
804
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,760
was not mentally well and because of it all like
805
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:15,200
>> and that was the worst thing his manager or whatever did for him is get out there
806
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,000
and talk about it. >> I think they told him not to. I think
807
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,440
they told him not to and he said, "No, I'm going to do it." >> Oh. >> Yeah.
808
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,640
>> Yeah. It's the worst thing he ever did >> because he said a bunch of stuff that
809
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:28,160
made no sense and then and he just didn't need to because the reality of it
810
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:31,520
was that it turns out >> I'm sure this documentary will reveal
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the details. Okay, this is my recollection of it. Yep.
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>> There were people on set using the guns to shoot at cans and stuff like that
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when they weren't supposed to. >> The armorer I think had the real bullets
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after basically a real bullet got left in the gun. >> Mhm.
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>> Many many people are responsible down the chain for that and ends Alec Balden
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and you know people will make the argument he should have checked.
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>> It's not his job. We can discuss whether It's someone's actual job to go, "This
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gun is safe." He goes, >> "I think if you're on set and you're an
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actor, I guess I know he's a producer as well, but on that particular in that
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moment, he's an actor on set and he's been handed a gun, right? He should be
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able to assume >> yes, >> this is safe because someone I'm on a
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set. I'm on a film shoot. I'm going to be pointing this at people. I'm pulling
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the trigger. >> I should be able to assume somebody's double checked that this is safe." I
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don't think you can blame him. That's just my opinion. Um, >> no, I I agree with that.
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>> And then the the trial they found that
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the bullets had been given to somebody to take care of, aka hidden, I
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[laughter] think. Uh, and then that person had eventually thought
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something's not right. Took them to the police >> and the police filed them under the
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wrong case number. They made a new case by mistake or were trying to for
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whatever reason. >> Yeah. >> They they filed under a different case
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number and then the bullets disappeared for a while and then during the trial
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the the subject of the bullets came up and the prosecution tried to say, "Oh
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no, that's not relevant." And the judge said, "I want to see the bullets. Bring
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the bullets." And so they bring literally bring the bullets into the
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courtroom and they compare them to the bullet that shot
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>> uh what's it the cinematographer and the same bullets and the judge was like you
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[ __ ] up like >> case dismissed with prejudice like yeah
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he cannot be tried now it's impossible >> which I for me he should never have been
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on trial. The armor was the one >> and I think if they had the bullets it
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would have been very different. That's what the judges the whole point was that
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the judge said like you [ __ ] this case up like we should have had these bullets. >> Yep.
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>> It would have been very Well, so she did get prison time
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>> and I think she's appealing on the basis that that that happened. But I don't
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know that that'll work because the evidence [laughter]
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that made Alec Baldwin innocent makes her look guilty. So it's kind
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>> makes her even guiltier. >> Yeah, maybe just leave it. Like you were
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the armorer who was letting people [ __ ] around with the guns. >> Yeah.
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>> And then were in charge of making sure that the guns were safe and the gun
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wasn't safe. Like that's little >> her own. >> I can understand her thinking, well,
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hang on. If they [ __ ] the case up, does that mean I also
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>> get So, but I I don't know that would go well because like again, the evidence
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that messed the case up >> incriminates her. So, >> yes.
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>> Yeah. So anyway, this documentary about the court case and presumably about the
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the shooting itself uh has been
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uh let's see let's see the rights have been given to Rory Kennedy um who is a
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Oscarinning documentarian and so he will be making this documentary the trial of
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Alec Baldwin. Well, documentary I'm guessing most of the footage has already
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been filmed in. [snorts] >> Well, it's I assume it's footage of the
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court case. Yeah. And then probably interviews and stuff, too. >> Yeah.
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>> Okay. I I I probably might watch this. >> Oh, it's coming out in October,
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actually. You know what? There you go. It's even It's even more uh more
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complete than I thought. It's coming out in October. >> Excellent. >> Yeah.
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>> Got a couple of months. >> I think it'll be interesting because
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like I said, mostly the court case wasn't very interesting, but there were
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a few moments that I'm glad I saw. >> Yes. because they were just so to me like [gasps]
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>> like >> well that's what court cases are. They're not not a lot happens for a lot
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of it and then >> cuz even with even just interviewing
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someone um asking them questions, you have to set a lot of questions up to
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confirm who they are and what their job is like until you get to the important stuff.
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>> Yeah. And just watching the judge question the prosecutor about those
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bullets and watching her clearly realize, oh [ __ ] [laughter] like we
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screwed this up. And then the moment when the judge said, yeah, case
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dismissed with prejudice. And you can just see Alec Baldwin being like, oh my
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god, thank [ __ ] that's over. Like, >> well, he's probably having that over,
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but even like he went through a lot during that time. Like he at the end of
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the day, he did shoot someone and he's not h that would have been hard on him.
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>> Yeah, I know. People People were very hard on him about it. >> Oh, hello.
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>> Why? What's up? >> Okay, just a minute. Well, on that note,
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let's head to the after party. After >> party, this needs to take a couple of
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minutes and then we'll head to the after party. >> All right. Um,
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>> oh, patreon.com/multiplurgism. That's where that is for $5.
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