Mission Evolution with Gwilda Wiyaka Interviews - NICOLE STRICKLAND - Ghosts, Spirits and the RMS Queen Mary

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host of Mission Evolution, Miss Gwildawieka.
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This is Mission Evolution, where we explore the expanding frontiers
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of human consciousness. I'm your host, Gwildoweka. Throughout history, the
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veil between worlds has been whispered about, feared, revered, and
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sought after. Today, advances in both science and spirituality are
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bringing us closer than ever to understanding the mysteries that
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lie just beyond the physical plane. What are spirits, why
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do they linger? And what can their presence teach us
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about our own evolutionary journey. Our guest this hour is
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Nicole Strickland, paramanormal researcher, afterlife investigator, author, and one of
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the leading voices in modern spiritual communication. With decades spent
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exploring haunted environments and studying the subtle interplay between consciousness
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and the unseen, Nicole brings a grounded yet deeply insightful
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perspective to the mysteries of life, death, and everything in between.
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Join us as we venture into the realms beyond the
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veil to discover what spirit encounters may reveal about our
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own path towards evolution. Her website is Nicole D. Strickland
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dot com. Nicole, thank you for joining us on Mission Evolution.
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Thank you so much for having me today at such
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an honor.
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It's an honor to have you, and this is such
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a wonderful topic and you're quite the authority on it.
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So, oh, we should have a good kind of view. Yeah,
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that's so kind of you. It's definitely. It's a very immersive,
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interesting topic for sure.
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So what first awakened your interest in the paranormal and
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spirit communication?
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Yeah, this is a question. I have to try to
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condense it because there's so much I want to say.
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But I've always I know this may sound weird, but
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I tell people that I think I was born to
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do this sort of work because I feel like I've
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always been open to it as far back as I
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can remember. We're talking four and five years old. That's
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actually when I had my first what I believe was
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an unexplainable encounter, and just the interest in spirit communication, ghosts,
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haunted locations, the paranormal in general has always been with me,
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and so I would read anything I could on the topic,
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watch anything I could, and so that interest stayed with
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me as I grew up. And then I had a
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very profound experience with the spirit of my maternal grandmother,
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Helen lo Pinto, which I've shared many times, and I'll
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just briefly talk about it. I was attending the University
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of Arizona, so this was in the year two thousand
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and so my grandmother called me the day before she
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passed and we had about a twenty minute conversation. I
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get a call the next day from my mom, her daughter,
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of course, and I knew something was wrong, and so
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that's when she said, you know, I love you so much.
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But Grandma passed away this morning, and so I got
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the next flight out to San Diego, where my family's from,
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spent a few days, and then went back out to Tucson, Arizona,
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where the U of A is, and I started having
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experiences in my apartment that I did not have prior
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to her passing, and so initially I chalked it up
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as well, I'm in an apartment, I'm upstairs, it's vibration,
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it's my neighbors, what have you. But it just was
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a succession of things. So hearing the front door knob
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and the doorknob to my bedroom almost twisting as if
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someone was there, but I couldn't see them. And then
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one night I felt I didn't see anything, but I
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felt a disembodied hand caress my face. It felt as
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though it came from someone that I knew and loved.
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And then all this happened within about a week. And
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then a week later, I think I was writing a
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paper and I was on my bed and I saw
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something in my peripheral vision, and when I looked, I
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saw my grandmother's spirit form. She looked about ten years younger.
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It appeared as though there was a spotlight shining against her,
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giving her that white halo effect. And she didn't say anything,
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but she looked, like I said, ten maybe fifteen years younger,
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wearing one of her favorite house dresses. And she just
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looked at me and smiled. And then I saw her
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de manifest if you will, with my own eyes, And
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so that is what catapulted me into actually investigating and becoming,
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you know, an act of paranormal investigator, a bit of.
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A defining moment for you. It sounds like, yeah, it
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really was.
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You know, I've had experiences prior to that, but that
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just was very, very profound. And when I think about it,
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I'm tossed between did I somehow project was that some
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sort of a like a grieving hallucination on my part
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because I was very close to her, or did she
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visit me? I think it's the latter. No one else
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in the family had an experience. It was only me
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that I know of, so I don't know. Maybe she
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knew somehow that I was open to and can you know,
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have we all have intuition, don't get me wrong, but
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that I could sense, you know, spiritual presences, and so
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maybe that's why I don't know.
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So you literally saw her like she was standing in
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the room, but she had a more of an etheric.
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Look she did. Yeah, she was solid. She wasn't translucent,
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but when I looked, it appeared as though there was
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like a white or a spotlight shining against her back,
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which gave her like a light halo around her body,
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if you will. And then she was solid just like
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you're looking at me or me looking at you. But
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she looked about ten or fifteen years younger. She looked very,
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very healthy and vibrant. She had a slight smile on
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her face.
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So did you have other visitations from her? And do
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you still or has she kind of crossed to the
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other side. It hasn't been around.
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I think she's definitely crossed. I do think she is
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spirit I can sense when she's around, but I have
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not actually seen her before like I did that first time.
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So when you sense her, is it a smell? Is
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it a how do you pick it up?
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It's just her energy. I can sometimes I can smell
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her perfume because she wore a stay the old fashion
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like Sta Lauter, and sometimes I can smell that. But
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it's more or less just I think a soul recognition.
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I just know when she comes around. Oops, I'm sorry.
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And then she usually comes around anniversaries, holiday times, things
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like that. But she was very, very intuitive and sensitive herself.
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So I think you feel like it.
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Do you feel like you were probably more like her
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than the others.
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It could be in the sense of being able, being
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more in tune with my intuition, and just being able
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to sense spiritual energy. I think I do. I think
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that's passed down through the maternal line. My mom has
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it too. She's not able to recognize it as much,
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but I can tell. But my grandmother she there was
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definitely something there that she had. I wish that she
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was still alive today because I would sit down and
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you know, pick her brain and stuff. But yeah, for sure,
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I think I'm kind of that that general sense has
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passed down the line.
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How's your personal spiritual evolution shaped your investigative methods?
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You know, that's a very very good question. I when
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I started out, I was so interested in capturing evidence,
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like the next EVP, the next disembodied voice, the next
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anomalist photograph. And don't get me wrong, that's all very important.
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But as I've evolved, to me, what's more important is
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the rapport and the relationship that we as living in
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the mortal realm, can develop with the spirit world. And
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I do believe that there's an intertwining of the two.
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There's like this a parallel relationship between our world and
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the next, and we need to pay more attention to it.
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And I think that people are starting to realize that
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but it's really helped me to gain more of an
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appreciation for history. I've always loved history, but you know,
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the people that have walked the land before us. It's
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gained me more of an understanding and even an appreciation
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of the dying process, in the transition process that you know, physically,
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when our loved ones pass on, they're not there physically anymore,
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but that connection that sold a sole connection that we
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have with them that's very, very strong. And so it's
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really helped me to grieve and move through the processes
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of losing a loved one. In fact, I just lost
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two people in July, dear to me, my friend Eric, Yeah,
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my friend Eric two days apart, mind you, my friend Eric,
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and then the Honorary Commodore of the RMS, Queen Mary
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Everett Horde. So they passed in July two days apart.
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So investigating wise, of course, I approach it with and
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I don't want to sound preachy, but respect and reverence
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all the way. So I'm very meticulous in my you know,
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approaching paranormal investigations. I don't necessarily approach it with a
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cookie cutter approach. I base it on what's happening at
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that location. But I for me, like I said, going
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back to what I initially said, it's the rapport and
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the relationship that we can develop with these energies, to
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me is more important than just capturing you know, an
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EM or an EVP or anything like that.
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So you know that makes sense to me. It's like
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if you can talk to the dead, doesn't mean just
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because they're dead, it doesn't mean that they aren't people
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and they don't have feelings and they don't have a
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need to interact and have respect. And it seems like
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most of us are either ignore that it's there or
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terrified that it's there. Running around with our little instruments.
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You know, I have a sign right see.
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And that right there is a good You just brought
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up a good point. I think that in investigating, and
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this is what I should have said too to your
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previous question, I don't rely on too much on I
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do obviously rely on it, but not overly so like
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I did. Maybe in the beginning, where you have all
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these instruments out and you're spending all your time staring
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at the instruments, and then you miss out on what
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your intuition is picking up what your normal senses are
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picking up, and so I've learned to almost investigate more
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from an intuitive standpoint, and that's really really helped. Great.
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It makes a lot of sense because it's coming in
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through your facility, really right, right exactly? So from your experience,
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what exactly is a ghost? And how many kinds are there?
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Oh? My goodness, I you know we I'm guilty of
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this too. I think that we all use the words
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and spirit interchangeably, but I do think there's similarities and differences.
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This is just my opinion. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong.
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Ghost is what we also know as an earth bound entity,
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and obviously there may be a residual or psychic imprint
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component or an intelligent I don't like classifying them too much,
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but just for understanding purposes, intelligent varieties that we can
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actually communicate with in real time. I think a ghost
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is again the once living energy of a person or
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an animal, but yet they're not, either by choice or not.
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There could be many reasons they haven't, how do I
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put it, moved through the different ranks of spirithood and
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ascended to where they have full free will, Whereas I
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think a spirit, of course the once living energy of
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a human or animal, but that individual has evolved more
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into the higher ranks of spirithood and has more free will.
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That's kind of how I define the two. But there's
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there's so I don't I don't know how many classifications
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there are. I mean, there could be some classifications that
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we don't even know about. But in terms of ghosts
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or spirits, but you you commonly hear of, you know,
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the residual varieties, the intelligent varieties, or crisis apparitions, which
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are known to be entities that will appear, you know,
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right before after someone has passed doppelgangers. But it's like,
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there's so many classifications and I'm sure there's a lot
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more that we don't know yet about.
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We're going to have to take a station break, Nicole,
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and I will return very shortly, so don't you go away.
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This is Mission Evolution www dot Mission evolution dot org.
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Can ships be haunted? With this? Discussing investigating the paranormal?
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Is Nicole Strickland her website Nicole dot com. Nicole, let's
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talk about your experiences investigating the haunted ship Queen Mary.
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What first drew you to investigate the RMS Queen Mary
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and what makes you such a compelling haunted location.
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Oh my goodness, this is such a loaded question. I
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love it, and I oh with the Queen Mary, I
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could just go on all day and talk about it,
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So I have to condense. So my mom actually went
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on board the Queen Mary long before I did. She
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did ballroom dancing in an area that was when the
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ship was a luxury ocean liner. It was the Veranda
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grill that we know today, but then it was known
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as the Starlight Roof Club and so it's on the
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aft part of the ship there. You can access it
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from sundeck, and so she did ballroom dancing. So I've
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known about the Queen Mary, but my first sighting of
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her occurred during my college year. So it was our
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junior year and it was spring break and a friend
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and a friend and I decided to come back out
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to southern California to go on a three day carnival cruise.
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the Queen Mary there, and so I remember seeing it
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from the back seat of a car. And it's very
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hard to put this in words, but when I looked
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at it, I made a mental note and I said
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I will be back someday, and that day came in
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two thousand and five. And I try to describe this
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as descriptively as I can in my books or presentations
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that I do about the ship, But it was almost
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an instant soul to soul connection with the ship. When
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I first stepped on board, literally off the gangway and
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on a deck that's one of her hotel decks, I
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felt like I've been there before. Everything felt just beautiful
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and just so serene there, and I just it was
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an instant, instant love connection with the Queen Mary, and
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so that started everything. And at that point I started
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to research the ship's very very extensive, layered history and
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even her paranormal activity. And so I'm both into the
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history of the ship, pretty much everything about the ship,
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but also the paranormal aspect as well, and I've done
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several paranormal research or investigation projects on board in various
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areas of the Liner over the years, and paranormal wise,
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a lot of the same things that you can experience
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at other locations. It's very visual, so people will see,
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you know, full bodied, partially manifested apparitions of even former
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crew members, passengers, even World War II servicemen, you name it.
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can hear a lot of disembodied vocalizations things of that nature.
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People have been touched on board in my experience of
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researching the ship, and I've I mean, it's my second home.
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I've been there hundreds of times. I don't think any
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energy on there is negative or anything like that. It's
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a very loving, positive, embracing fuel, at least in my experiences.
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And so, but what makes the Queen Mary interesting to
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me is that her consistency of paranormal activity. Of course
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it may wax and wane, but it's consistent across the board.
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And I've talked to people that have had almost unique
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identical experiences weeks, months, and even years apart. So there's
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a consistency among her resident energies and just regarding her
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paranormal activity. But I think too, at the core of
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the ship's ghostly phenomena is her. There's this the ability
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that she has of being magnetic, not necessarily magnetic in
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the physical sense, but magnetic, and that she can receive
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and transmit almost like how crystals can. And so it
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makes her like a time capsule, if you will, So
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we're past, present and future kind of fuse so interesting.
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I have a friend it's a piano tuner, and she
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told me something so fascinating yesterday. Oh well, if you
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consistently tune a piano, the organic material in the piano
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will resonate with that and then hold the tuning. And
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I'm wondering how this applies to the Queen Mary, her
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sitting on water, and you know her just like you say,
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holding that frequency.
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I think there's and I try, I do discuss. I
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don't think there's one theory. I think there's a multi
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layered reason as to why the paranormal or why the
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ship has so much paranormal activity on this consistent basis.
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Of course, as we know history, her history is almost
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unprecedented for any ocean liner. But like you, like we
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were talking about earlier water being a component some of
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the materials that went into the ship, like the iron,
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the manganese's propellers, the court site and the former first
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and third class pool. My friend Tony Ashland too, he
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is an amateur radio operator, and he shared with me
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that he believes the Queen Mary's like a giant crystal
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radio because it has all the components for that within
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the ship, and so he feels he'd shared with me.
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One day, He's like, I do feel like you do, Nicole.
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I think it's she's one giant transmitter and receiver, but
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just other energies, just or other reasons too, people going
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in every day wanting to experience something paranormal. Then you
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bring in that psychokinetic sort of influence as well. But
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I think at the core of it is just her
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history and this magnetic sense about the ship. But I
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think there might be elusive reasons too that we don't
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know that only he knows. I do feel and this
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may not resonate with certain people, and that's fine, but
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I'm basing this just on my experience and knowledge of
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the ship. I do feel that there's a pretty strong
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sentient component to the ship itself.
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As you speak about her, I just keep goosebumping, and
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it is like you're talking about a person, and she
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feels like a person. How do you feel her wartime
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service and tragic events contributed to the paranormal activity reported
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on board?
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I yeah, I think all of that contributes, and that's
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what I should have mentioned this earlier, she's seen practically
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every emotion. She's witnessed every emotion on board, from elation
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and pure luxury to like, for example, the prisoners of war,
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the German and Italian prisoners of war that were kept
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on board, and there were areas below the water line
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where they were kept and bread and water were lowered
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in buckets, and as the ship sailed through various hot climates,
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and she wasn't she didn't have air conditioning because she
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was designed for the North Atlantic route for her a
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luxury ocean liner days. But when the ship during the
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war sailed to these very you know, Australia, Middle East
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and so on, no air conditioning. So a lot of
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these guys succumbed and there were many deaths, probably not
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all of them were reported either. But I do think
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that you know, in regards to the paranormal activity on board,
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yes there may be some leftover emotion from some that
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have passed away on board but that are maybe still
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have that memory. But that doesn't make them malevolent or
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anything like that. It's just the experiences have haven't been
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so good for them. And then on the other hand,
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you know, you have people lavish luxury sailing across this
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magnificent ocean liner. So I think there's all of the
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historical tapestry that circles the Queen Marys or part of it,
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all of that contributes. It's like giant pieces of the
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puzzle trying to put them together.
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She seems very multi dimensional, well, as was her life,
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no doubt.
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Right.
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What areas of the ship have you found to be
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the most paranormally active and can you describe some of
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the standout experiences you've had there?
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Oh yeah, sure, I've had so many experiences. I'll pick
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a few, But I think anywhere on the ship is
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fair game. You can have an experience anywhere. I believe
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that the highly traveled to spots like on the tours,
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for example, they naturally get more reports. So these would
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include the former first and third class pool, and you
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might say third class. What happened so during in the
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late fifties, when air travel became prominent for the affluent,
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they actually opened up the first class pool to third
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class passengers because the second class already had its pool
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as well. So just wanted to make mention of that.
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But former first and third class pool is a giant
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hub shadow. People have been spotted. There's a little I
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shouldn't say she's little, but she is little. Her name
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is Jackie. She's probably the most well known aboard the
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Queen Mary. She's around six or seven years old. We
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do not know her origins. The late Peter James, who
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is sadly no longer with us, actually coined her in
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the early nineties and felt that she drowned in the
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second class pool. But to my knowledge and other researchers
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I know that have delved into this, we cannot find
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any origins to Jackie. But for whatever reason, she's very intelligent,
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very engaging, around six or seven years old. She almost
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looks like she could be a sister to Shirley Temple.
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But I've questioned, you know, could she have passed away
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as an adult and come back and you know, as
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a child. I don't know. There's so many questions, but
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she's very engaging, seems to be drawn to certain individuals.
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I've seen her, I've communicated with her. I'm very familiar
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with her voice. Let's see, the boiler rooms and the
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aft engine room are very popular. The isolation ward to
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a lot of the places that they'd take you on
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for the tours. Just like I said, naturally get more reports.
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But there are several resident energies and there are a
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few that are documented deaths. So William Eric Stark, for example,
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was a senior second officer and he actually was fighting
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a cold. This was I believe I should know this
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off the top of my head. I think it was
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forty nine when he passed away, and he actually thought
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he drank gin but it was actually carbon tetrachloride, so
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he passed away a few days later. He's been seen
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and spotted and heard. There's an eighteen year old crew man.
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I'm not going to say his name just because the
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family doesn't want us to say his name, but he
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hailed from Skipton, North Yorkshire. Joined the Queen Mary in
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nineteen sixty six, was a fireman and bilge cleaner working
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the boiler rooms and sadly, on July tenth, in the
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early hours of the morning nineteen sixty six, he was
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found wedged in watertight door number thirteen on the starboard
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shaft alleys side. He has been spotted. I've seen him myself.
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There's a doc there's a picture of him, so I've
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seen him. It's almost as if his pictures come to life.
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I've heard him so, but there's there's Peter James once
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said that he felt that there were over six hundred
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ghosts and spirits on board. But it's hard to put
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a number because I think the Queen Mary, there's energies
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that travel through her may not stay, but then there
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are those that are connected with her history and of
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for whatever reason, some have chosen to stay, maybe some
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have not so but I've had so many different it's
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hard to pick one. But I've seen full bodied apparitions.
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I've disembodied voices. I've even heard my name being called
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several times like male female voices. Hi, Nicole, Nichole's here,
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things of that nature, usually within the first five or
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ten minutes of me arriving. It's weird, but just so
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many some of my most profound encounters have occurred on
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the Queen Mary.
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Do you think that they, because you've gone so often,
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start to build a relationship and recognize you.
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I think that that's possible. I mean, I'm trying to
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be as humble as I can about this, but I
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do think it's yeah, I do.
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Well. It's unusual for someone to do paranormal investigation and
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also have that compassion connection on a person to person level,
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isn't it.
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Yeah, And that's yeah, that's true. And just with the
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Queen Mary, it's you know, every location that I've investigated
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is important, and I've always learned something from every case
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I've worked on. But there's such a strong personal connection
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to the ship. So I think that that, you know,
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it's maybe felt as well, you know, by the other side.
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So she seems to just I don't know when as
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you speak of her, it's like a safe harbor, if
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you will.
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That's a good way to put it. Yes, that's how
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I feel. That's absolutely how I feel. On board.
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Well, it's time for us to take yet another station break,
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Nicole and I will be right back, So to continue
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this discussion, please stay there. This is Mission Evolution www
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dot Mission evolution dot org. What did ghosts have to
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do with evolution? This is Mission Evolution, Mission evolution dot org.
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With this discussing hauntings, is Nicole Strickland Nicole, how can
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understanding the afterlife contribute to evolution of human consciousness? Oh?
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This is this is a great question and I actually
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tried to somewhat not answer it but give my own
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personal input on this and my one of my last books,
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Afterlife Chronicles like and this goes back to what I
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was saying before about there's, in my opinion, there's this
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strong interplay or parallel relationship between the afterlife and our
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world and I and I feel in many ways that
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the spirit world, of course is more highly advanced, has
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knowledge that it can help you know bestow to us
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living in the mortal realm. Are we allowed to know
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all the secrets of the afterlife? I don't think so.
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But it's I think if we pay attention more to
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what the spirit world is trying to teach us, because
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I think we're getting on that on that end, we're
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getting more into a soul to soul communication. I think
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if we try to pay attention to it more, we
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will reap the benefits and just gain more knowledge. I
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think that it's there's a pearness to it in my
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opinion that I think it's it's hard to put the words,
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but that it's it's trying to teach us to be
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the best versions of ourselves that we can. So in
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that case, I think that that that can definitely benefit.
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But I think also just having a general understanding of
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the dying process and knowing that when our loved ones
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cross and pass, that they're all still a part of us. Right,
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there's soul, the soul. I do believe that the soul
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survives death, kind of more along the lines of like
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noetic science. So I think that that can really help
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as well. But yeah, there's that's a great question, great question.
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Our paranormal experience is catalysts for personal or collective awakening?
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I think so. I think that if an investigator, I
486
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think it depends on the well, No, you can have
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an investigator that really is open to heating the messages,
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but that doesn't mean that it wasn't attempting to impart it.
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So yes, I do, I do in many respects. I'm
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trying to There was an example I was just going
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to say, and I totally forgot what was. I hate
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that when my brain does that, but I think it
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can teach us a lot about ourselves. Like for me,
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as an example, I've always had this love of history,
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but it's enabled me to have even more of an
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appreciation of history. And I know this may sound hopy,
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but I've been able to become more aware of my
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own soul, my own desires my own intuition. So it
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has helped me with personal growth in that capacity, and
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I think that that it can help others as well.
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The question is, are others open to it like I've been?
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And maybe if they're not realizing messages that are trying
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to be imparted, then maybe, I mean, maybe the soul
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can grasp it. But if their ego is so strong
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and it's kind of like not preventing that but dampening it,
506
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I guess that can be a problem.
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One thing that's becoming glaringly obvious and I think has
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for a long time is the consumer greed the Native
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Americans called the Watiko virus. But basically, you know, the
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preoccupation with how we look and what we have, and
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when you die, none of that goes with you. It
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matters what can what can humanity learn from these encounters
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about our true nature?
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See, that's just it. That that is, you know, that
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is such an important point. And I think there's a
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constant investigating the paranormal and being open to the other side,
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and being open to communicating with loved ones or even strangers.
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If we go on, you know, these investigations, we don't
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necessarily know who's who's at those locations. But it's a
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constant kind of wake up call I think for us
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to be alerted that, you know what, we need to
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move more toward UH quality as opposed to quantity. And
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I was just going to say, oh, this is what
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I was going to say too, and it leads me
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to say, and I talk about this a lot, and
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I don't want to sound arrogant or anything like that,
527
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but in the field of the paranormal entertain the entertainment industry,
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in my opinion, often exploits it, and you're getting more
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of the superficial idea about it instead of delving deeper
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to the heart of the matter. You know, it's not
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about views. It's not about constantly trying to throw fear
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and terror in our face or misrepresenting the spirit realm.
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It's not anything about that. It's you know, if we
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can as as a paranormal community and even in those outside,
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realize that it goes deeper than that, I think that
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that is what's going to really propel this field forward.
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But this constant superficiality around it, exploitation around it, is
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I really I don't know if it's going to advance
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as long as that, as long as that is occurring.
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But yeah, I'm going on a tangent. I'm sorry, no problem,
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you do a nice soapbox. She just go on, Oh
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my gosh.
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What ethical guidelines speaking of which are essential when you're
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investigating active spiritual environments.
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Oh, absolute para ethics. And my teammate Ali and I
546
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talk about this all the time. Well, obviously, you know,
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you have to not just think about ethics in regards
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to your teammates or the location, or your clients, but
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the spirits themselves, the energies that you're working with, So
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you know, constantly approaching it with the golden rules, so
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to speak, being respectful, being reverent, not provoking, not demanding
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anything like that, but also with your clients. Being upfront
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with your clients. You want to let them know about
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the processes that you're going to be going through the
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methodology and I hate to say this, but I'm a
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paper pusher, so you know those forms, those investigation permission forums,
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those liability waivers, things of that nature. Have those on hand,
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But just treating the whole process with respect but also
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with dignity, I think it goes a long way. That's
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the general ethical framework. But then you know, being honest
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a lot of what applies to any other job in
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real life. But you know, on an investigation, making sure
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that teammates are you know, abiding by the standard operating
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procedures or certain protocols, things of that nature is important.
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But I think at the hallmark, or at the at
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the core, I should say, is the respect and the
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dignity that these investigations deserve. And so we're very big
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on that.
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What about confidentiality, I mean, you know what that is.
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This went on, but I really don't want to talk
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to them about that.
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Thank you, you just reminded me. I knew there was
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something I was forgetting. Confidentiality is important, and I'll tell
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you this, much like I've had a couple of cases
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where people wanted us to investigate because they wanted media
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attention and only that. So I declined it. I didn't
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tell them why, I just said, you know, declined it.
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I had another case where the manager of one of
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our famous theaters here wanted to in San Diego, wanted
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us to investigate, and I said, well, I need written
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permission from the owner of the premises, and she just
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kept you know, dishing me around and I, you know,
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kind of giving excuses, and I said, until we get
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that written permission, we can't. We can't do anything. But
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confidentiality is huge. You know, if a client and we
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have that, we have actually that on our form, you know,
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for them to check I give written permission for you know,
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blah blah blah blah, San Diego Paranormal Research Society to disclose.
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But even then it's it's I, even if they give permission,
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it's I tend to not ever disclose certain things. But
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but if they do check on there, I do not
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wish anyone else to know about this. Then we're strict
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on that that confidentiality is between us and the client.
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But even going a step further and in the spirit realm,
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for example, let's say, and this has happened a couple
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of times where we were doing an EVP session, for example,
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and we say, you know, if you know, is it
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okay if we talk to you? Is it okay if
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we you know, ask some questions, and we usually do
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an opening sort of statement to kind of set the intent.
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And if we get an answer of no, or let's say,
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do you want us to leave? And we get an
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answer of yes, we will do that, we'll leave, so
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just granting the same respect that you would to somebody.
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In the flesh, right right, Yeah, Do do paranormal researchers
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have a responsibility in your view, to help spirits heal
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or move on?
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I think so. I think you know, every case is different,
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but I think that there is a general understanding that
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you know, and we always on our cases we'll say
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is if there's anything you know we can do for you,
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please let us know. Now, sometimes you don't always get
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a response that that doesn't mean they didn't want it,
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just maybe they'dn't have enough energy to come through. But
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I think so. But in order to like maybe help
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them like pass on or not not pass on, but
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transition to a higher spirit rank or whatever. That that's
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where it gets a little tricky for me, because I
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don't I don't want to do something that I don't
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necessarily have permission to do. You know, it is the
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will of the entity in my opinion, if it knows,
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if it knows it can move on and doesn't want to,
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well then we shouldn't interfere with that. But if there's
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enough I don't want to say proof, but if if
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there's enough evidence to suggest that maybe they do want help.
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Then at that point, yes, to try to help them
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go through the motion so they can evolve greater if
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you will.
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So, I know there are whole practices and particularly ancient
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practices that oh yeah, with the helping the dead to cross,
631
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like psychopomping.
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Oh, you feel that a.
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Person needs a certain amount of training to do it effectively.
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I this is this is an interesting question. If a
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person is operating from not an ego point of view,
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and is operating from a a soul level of kindness
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and wants to do good. In that case, maybe if
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they aren't as experienced as maybe other practitioners, I think
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they deserve a chance. But it's the ones, even if
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they have amazing experience, if their heart is not in
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the right place, or you know, they're doing it for
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out of selfishness or anything like that, then that's when
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I raise my hand and go like, wait a second.
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So but I think yes, I mean, I think obviously
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experience does help.
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Of course, I'll bet you have to dance around ajenda
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a fair amount as well. No, how do cultural beliefs
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influence the interpretation of hauntings in spiritual contact? Oh?
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That's a good one. Yeah, you know, I've researched this
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a lot, and going back, there's always been this universal
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idea that it's just different in the interpretation with different cultures.
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But there's this universal idea that dates back, you know,
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thousands of years that okay, once someone dies, okay, what's left?
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What do we do with the body? Or what happens
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to the soul? I do think there's like a general
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agreement that we're understanding that the soul evolves, but it's
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just the practices and how to handle the body or
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exactly what happens to that soul is a little different
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with different cultures. But you know, and it brings me
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to actually paranormal investigating. And when you're out on a case,
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you have to be aware a little bit of some
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of the religious or the cultural predispositions. You know that
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like Catholic religion for example. I want to get too religious,
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but the kind of the people are brought up to
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believe if they pay heavy attention to that religion that okay,
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ghosts are evil and this and that. So you have
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to kind of work that into if you're doing like
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for example, private residence or even a business or historical case,
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look at what those cultures are and look at what
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the understanding is and just kind of work around it.
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So it's definitely not something to ignore.
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Makes perfect sense, and it's time for us to take
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it up a station break at least a with us
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is Nicole and I continue to explore unseen worlds. This
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is Mission Evolution www dot Mission evolution dot org. Do
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go stay mad. This is Mission Evolution, Mission evolution dot org.
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We're continuing our discussion with Nicole Strickland her website, Nicole D.
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Strickland dot com. Nicole, what lessons have spirits taught you
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about healing and forgiveness?
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Yeah, that's that's a lot, I think. I think if
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I had to summarize this, it's it's the understanding that
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our time here on Earth, being in the living realm,
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is limited, but there's a whole another journey that awaits
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us beyond this life and maybe beyond the next whatever,
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so on and so on. So it's taught me to
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really pay attention to more so to the things that
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matter in life, and paying more attention to, you know,
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delving looking within and listening more to my my the
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wisdom that we all have that innate wisdom. So that's
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that's what it's taught me, just to pay attention more
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to that.
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Have you found it, since you know, opening your senses
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up to do the investigations and everything, that you're actually
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more privy to energetic things going on around you in
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your world.
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That's absolutely. It's so funny how that works, because I
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don't know if funny is the right word, but I've
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always been open to it. I've always been a little
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more perceptive, I think than I don't want to say
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than the average but I guess I have to say
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that than the average person. But yes, just delving into
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this work, you do find that your senses heightened, even
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that sixth sense that we have, but the clairvoyant see
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has gotten you know, more fine tuned as well as
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you know all the others said to Claire's the Claires
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specifically more for me, you know, the Claire audience, the clairvoyance,
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and the Clare sentience for sure, And I just think
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that that exposure helps to just fluff that out a
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little bit. But again, for me, I have a passion
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to do this work. I'm not in it for greed
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or for superficiality. I really have a true, honest passion
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to do this work. And so I think if you're
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coming from that standpoint, then it's you're going to find
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that those senses even grow faster.
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We don't get in our own way.
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Huh yeah, I mean it's all I do get my
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own way a lot, but I'm trying. It's taught me
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to really pay attention more to what matters.
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How much how much of developing that has to do
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with letting go of our self doubt.
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I think it's all part of that. I think there's
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it's it's all. It's like a tree and there's just
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different the branches all connect to the same tree. It's
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all part of that. And I just think not just
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the paranormal, but just growing older and being more exposed
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to life itself helps with that. But again it goes
727
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back to that understanding that you know what this is
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not it you know, materialism, it doesn't matter. I mean,
729
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we all want things and stuff like that, but when
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you're on a paranormal investigation, you're dealing with those that
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have passed on, and so it's just that constant reminder
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in your head, this isn't forever, so you know, pay
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attention to what matters like. I feel like I'm repeating myself.
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My grandmother used to always say, shrouds don't have pockets, okay,
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and I love that.
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I love that.
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Yeah, you're welcome to use it. He's crossed. I'm sure
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she'd be delighted.
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Oh my gosh, Oh you're so kind, so she.
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Have you ever experienced a case that transformed you on
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a soul level?
742
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Oh? Boy? I think all of them have to a
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certain extent. I'm trying to There's been so many that
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I've done. I will yes, I think all of them
745
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have to an extent, But the ones that stand out
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for me again Queen Mary related. But also we had
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tenure at a haunted rancho here, the Rancho Buena Vista
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Adobe up in Vista, California. And if you're don't know
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where that is, if but you're familiar with southern California,
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it's east of Oceanside and west of San Marcos. It's
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about thirty minutes north of San Diego. So we did
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a paranormal tours there for ten years, and they were
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fundraising tours, so the money went back into the Adobe,
754
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and so we would lead guests on basically how we
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would run a paranormal investigation of the site, so we
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did that. We also did some private team investigations there
757
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and the consistency there and especially with audio, even with
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instrumental transcommunication, and that's a little bit more subjective. I mean,
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there's a lot of things you have to take in
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with that because it can really be audio paradilia, so
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to speak. But month after month after month, we would
762
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get the same vocalizations from the same individuals that were
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introducing themselves as actual owners or people that resided on
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the rancho many years past, and it had gone through
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several owners over the years, and then the city of
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Vista purchased it in nineteen eighty nine. But that just
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blew our mind to be able to have that consistency,
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the intelligence and to communicate. There were even cases there
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where we would take an EVP or disembodied voice capture
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that we obtained, then we would compare that to research
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to see if there was any validity, and of course
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we were able to find that in historical records about
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the rancho. So that's that's an example. The ones where
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you have a departed family member that has passed and
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the client wants to reach them that we've had cases
776
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like that and those are very heartwarming.
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So how can people use paranormal encounters as a tool
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for innergrowth?
779
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Oh my gosh, I being I think at the core
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what comes to me because there's like so much I
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want to say, but at the core of it is
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the golden rule. Just as you want to treat the
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energies with the golden rule, that's how you should apply
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to people in your life. For example, you don't want
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to go up to a stranger and just start rambling
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off questions. I mean, that's just kind of rude, you know.
787
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But and the same with paranormal research. That's why when
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you're going to do an EVP session, have that statement
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of intent, introduce yourself, have that statement kind of setting
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the positive, respectful tone. So it helps a lot with
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many might say, well that's weird, but it does help
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a lot, I think with intra and interpersonal growth, just
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having more of a communication that is honest and comes
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from you know, your true inner self as opposed to
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something that's just blatant ego or something that doesn't sit
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right with with how your soul wants to be.
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Well. In this era of social media and all that's brought,
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you know, the respect seems to have gone helped the window,
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I know, I know, and it's from what you're saying.
800
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It's like the if you start treating, you're walking into
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their home.
802
00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:12.000
Well that's I know, yeah.
803
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Yeah, that's amazing. So what makes misconceptions about spirits or
804
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hauntings would you most like to dispel?
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Well, again, this goes back to the entertainment industry, and
806
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I don't want to criticize it. I don't because there's
807
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pros and cons but this consensus that I don't know
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if it means to do this, but it just it's
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like this obsession around ghosts and entities being nothing but
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evil and terrorizing and something to be afraid of that
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I want, you know, to dispel. Also the overclassification I
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think of some energies. For example, let me give an
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example to try to explain what I'm saying. Let's say
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someone finds a couple scratch marks on their skin and
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they automatically assume, oh my gosh, that was something evil
816
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that did that, someone wanted to harm me, when in fact,
817
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maybe that's not the intent at all on the spirit.
818
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It's what we project and due to our fears of
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the unknown. We're ascribing that to the spirit. Maybe it's
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a you know, if you touch a hot stove, you're
821
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going to get a red mark. And it is thought that,
822
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you know, ghostly energies have some sort of are made
823
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out of some sort of electrical electricity, you know, component
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or whatnot, ionic energy, what have you. So maybe is
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that like a biological reaction of maybe if it touched you,
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your skin got I don't know, but this overclassifying and
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over assuming that if you have an experience that you
828
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deem negative, that it's absolutely negative on the part of
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the spirit to want to do that. So those are
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two things that come to mind.
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When we're so into fear and polarization. Then don't we
832
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interpret the experience that might be neutral as something evil?
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That's very that's That's a much better way to put
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it than I did. But yes, I think.
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So, yeah, where do you feel paranormal research is heading
836
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in the next decade?
837
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Oh my goodness. I I think it's going to advance
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in the sense of technology. But then I wonder, Okay,
839
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how is AI going to influence this. I think there's
840
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going to be pros and cons to implementing or over
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implementing AI.
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Uh.
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I mean I want it. I want it to advance
844
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as it should, but I think that there's going to
845
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be you know, for example, then the entertainment industry's influence,
846
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reliance on technology, all of this. I just find that
847
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that may dampen into a little bit. I don't want
848
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to be negative, but I do see that I do
849
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see more and more people getting interested in it, and
850
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I would hope that for those people that there's a
851
00:52:04.679 --> 00:52:08.800
genuine interest in it and it's not motivated by greed
852
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or superficiality. So that's I'd like to think that it's
853
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heading in a very positive direction. But there's just some
854
00:52:17.559 --> 00:52:20.760
little kinks there that I think need to be worked out.
855
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Do you think that, you know, right now we're all
856
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busy trying to prove it exists. Once we back off
857
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:32.199
and say, well, it exists and then can just experience it,
858
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do you think that'll show improvement on the relationship that people.
859
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But no one that is beautifully said that is wonderful.
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I yes, I have backed off from that because I
861
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don't think if it was provable to us in the
862
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mortal realm, I think we would have already done it.
863
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And I don't think that that's what matters. I think
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what matters is the journey and the experience. And I
865
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and I I believe and I could be wrong, that
866
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the afterlife gives us signs and glimpses, but it's not
867
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meant to give us everything. And as I don't think
868
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us in the mortal realm are meant to understand everything
869
00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:20.519
until we get there. But that's my thought. But yes,
870
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if we do back off from having to prove and
871
00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:27.320
prove and prove, and then there's this competition going on, right,
872
00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:29.480
that's beautifully said. I agree with you.
873
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:32.679
Well, Nicole, it's about that time in the program when
874
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I get to ask you what's your mission?
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My mission is continuing to do what I do. It
876
00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:43.159
reminds me of the starfish poem. You can't help everything,
877
00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:45.679
but if you can help one and get it back
878
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:49.000
to safety. That's where I'm at, just following my passion
879
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and sharing my passion for this field with everyone and
880
00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:57.440
hopefully be a little educating in the process.
881
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So well, Nicole, bless you for this very, very beautiful
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00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:02.000
work that you're doing in the world.
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Thank you so much for having me on. It's been
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such a pleasure.
885
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It has been a true joy that concludes our journey
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with Nicole Streichland, investigator, teacher, and explorer of the spirit world.
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Her work reminds us that consciousness extends far beyond the
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boundaries of physical existence, and that interaction with the unseen
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may be guiding humanity towards a deeper understanding of who
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we truly are. For more information about Nicole, her books, research,
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and upcoming appearances, visit her website at Nicole D. Strickland
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dot com. To discover more about our own ongoing exploration
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of human potential and consciousness, visit us at www Mission
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evolution dot org. And, as always, may you find your
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path and may your path lead to evolution. This is Golduweyeka.
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Until next time, stay curious, stay aware, and keep evolving.