IT Came From OHIO - True Weirdness Hauntings and MORE from the Buckeye State!

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You're listening to Everything Out There with your host, Steve Stockton.
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Hello, friends. Steve Stockton here with you. Welcome to Everything
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Out There. And joining me on the phone tonight, downtown
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Terry Brown, the Cincinnati kid. Got a great YouTube channel.
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Tales of the Sonic Voyage. Go check that out. You
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can find that at Downtown Terry Brown on YouTube. He's
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going to regale us with some stories of hauntings and
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weird things that go on in Ohio tonight. Terry, how
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are you doing tonight?
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I'm good, Steve. Good to talk to you.
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Great to have you here. And loving that YouTube channel
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you've got. You've got everything over there. Old radio, spoken word, blues, psychedelia,
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classic rock, acid rock, a little bit of everything. Something
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for every taste over there.
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Thank you, sir. I appreciate that. I'm trying to keep
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some of the music alive, stuff that I liked when
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I was a kid. Things you don't hear on the radio.
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You know, when we were kids, you and I are
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about the same age. If you didn't hear it on
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the radio, you didn't even know it existed. Since getting
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onto YouTube the last five, ten years, I guess, I've
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discovered a lot of older psych bands and stuff that's
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out there. It's just really, really good that you just
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never heard about. And I'm trying to bring some of
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that out. And I've got some of those old albums too.
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And it's nice to keep the music alive, I guess.
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If I can reach a couple people out there, or
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even one person, that hears something that they've never heard
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before that they just really like and fall in love with,
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my endeavors have been successful. Just trying to keep it going.
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And I love that stuff. I listen to music constantly.
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Music's been a huge part of my life since day one,
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and always will be. Just love that stuff. So it's
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been going pretty well. I've been running 31 Days of
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Sonic Horror on Halloween. So I've been trying to upload
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like three different titles a day. One really good or
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creepy one at midnight. All Halloween themed or spooky themed.
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Another one during the day, about three. Usually kids titles,
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spoken word, something like that. And then another good one
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in prime time, 9, 10 o'clock at night. More accessible stuff,
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stuff you've probably heard, but you haven't listened to lately.
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Black Sabbath, things like that. It's been going real well.
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You've helped me a lot over.
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There, too.
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You've sent a lot of people. And I do appreciate that, sir.
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Oh, it's my pleasure. Like I said, I really dig
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what you're doing over there. And some of those horror-themed
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stuff you dug up, that was like pre-Goth type music.
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It was Goth before Goth was even a thing. And
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I'm loving it. And I've found a lot of albums
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over there that I'd never heard of before. and some
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old favorites, too, especially some of the Halloween stuff. You've
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got some of those spoken word kids' records that I
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used to have on vinyl, and then some of the
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sound effects, like thrilling, chilling sounds of the haunted house
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and the horror effects and some of that stuff. I
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love those albums.
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Yeah, me too. I've really enjoyed posting them up and
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listening to them again, because I had a lot of
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those as kids, too, and it's been years and years
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since I've listened to them. Good comments, good feedback on it.
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It's been fun.
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It's a growing community over there. I'm interested to see
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what you do.
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It's doing real well. I enjoy doing it.
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What's your plans after Halloween?
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Honestly, I love this time of year. I've got a
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lot of stuff in the can to get ready to go.
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That's what I was going to say. I'm looking forward
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to getting October over with in that regard to get
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back to Doing the stuff that I really, really like.
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The old Psych albums. I've got some more stuff. Some
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rare things. You were telling me you've got some live
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stuff I'm really interested in hearing. I'd love to post
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some of that too. Some rare concerts. Live Pink Floyd
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coming up. Moby Grape. Things like that. Skip Spence. I
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don't know if you're familiar with him. He's going to
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be one of the ones I'm going to hit first
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off the bat. That's an interesting story. Going into this
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last week of Halloween, the I've got some really creepy
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stuff coming up, especially at midnight. The last four or
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five days, I've got a certain band I'm highlighting that
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just is beyond creepy to me. It's going to be fun.
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It's going to be a fun lesson. It's going to
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be a little rough in some spots, I will say that.
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It's not the kind of stuff you enjoy listening to.
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Let's put it that way. Charles Manson album and Anton LaVey. Yeah,
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that's some really, really creepy stuff you've got coming up.
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Yeah, absolutely. Halloween, I'm looking to do probably a 24-hour marathon.
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Some old albums, some newer albums, some cartoons, holiday, you know,
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Halloween TV specials from the past, movies, things like that.
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But I'm going to keep it going pretty much all
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day long.
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Yeah, it's mostly audio.
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I did that on Friday the 13th with some old CDs.
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Some old movies and TV shows and stuff over there, too.
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I really appreciate those as well.
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Yeah, they kind of bring back memories. I'll say that,
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watching those again.
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Yeah.
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It's fun. It's really fun. I love Halloween, and obviously
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you do, too. I know that. It's your birthday. Happy
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birthday in advance there, sir, for you and Mulder.
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Oh, thank you.
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Halloween's the best time of year for me. I just
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love it.
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Yeah, it was that way as a kid. It's creepy time.
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Of course, creepy time is... Yeah, Halloween was like a
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military exercise for me and my friends. We planned, we
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strategized to get as much candy as we possibly could
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and create as much mischief and havoc as we possibly could, too.
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I need to do a show sometime about Halloween pranks.
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Oh, yeah.
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If the statute of limitations has ever expired on some
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of those.
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I'm with you there. I totally understand what you're talking about.
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Bring up toilet paper and soap and other things, eggs
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and things used to use in your arsenal on Halloween. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
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Well, it sounds like.
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For me, it's spooky time all year round for me.
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Yeah. Celebrate Halloween year-round, and thankfully, my wife, Nicole, she's
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the same way. We love everything dark and creepy and spooky,
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and every day is Halloween, or it can be. Getting
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back to that, the dark stuff and the spooky stuff,
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how did you get interested in everything grim and gory,
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the paranormal, the darker side, if you will? What led
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you into all that?
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Wow. I would have to say I think my father
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probably brought me into that. I've always been attuned to it.
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I guess you could say some people call it second sight,
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you know, the vision. I've always had a bit of that.
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I remember seeing things and hearing things back from way
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back when I was a small, small child. The first
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time I ever remember seeing anything, I was still a toddler.
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I remember the very first time I thought something was amiss,
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shall we say. I remember I was in my playpen.
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in my mom's room it was afternoon and i was
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just kind of hanging out and uh next door to
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me and he was about a month older than i
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jeff referenced him in at least one story um that
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you've already done narrated he was over there with me
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as well he they had him in the playpen while
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everybody was out of the room it was just him
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and i i guess we'd been sleeping and i i
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woke up and i was kind of hanging out there
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and it was one of those old uh wooden slatted
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kind of play pens. It had a rail across the
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top that I don't know how to describe this exactly.
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It had these little metal rods that were between a
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couple of top rods. And they had like these smaller
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bolts that were drilled out in the center and were
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onto the metal post with a spring underneath. So you
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could sit there and kind of swing, you know, kind
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of swing the ball back and forth and entertain yourself. Well,
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I remember laying there kind of half asleep, and I
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started hearing that spring noise. Got up, kind of raised up,
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and there was this older gentleman that I didn't know
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at the time kind of sitting in the chair over
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across the room looking at me and just making faces.
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He was smiling, and he just kept, you know, he kept,
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I remember, he was funny. I remember just laughing, and
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I woke my cousin up, or he woke up somehow.
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I don't know, but I was kind of, like pointing
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this guy out to him as a little small child.
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And he just seemed oblivious to him. Didn't really think
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anything of it at the time, I guess. That went
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on for a few minutes. Well, my mom and dad
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and Jeff's dad came into the room sometime shortly thereafter.
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And they were all standing around the room talking. Gentleman
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was still sitting over in the chair, just looking at
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me and smiling. And there was a point my mom
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went over and started to sit down. And I remember
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that really clearly. She started to sit right on top
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of this guy. And I just didn't know what was
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going on, you know. And I'm watching this with like
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wide eyes and she sat in the chair and this
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gentleman just disappeared. I thought that was really, really strange. But,
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you know, I don't know how old I am, but
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she was very young. Just kind of flabbergasted me, I guess.
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Later on, Jeff left. My family left the room. I
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remember seeing him again. He was just kind of wandering
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around the room, you know, just watching me. And I
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remember other times throughout the years as a small child
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seeing him. But I don't know, as I got older,
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I guess I just forgot about him. Didn't see him anymore. Yeah.
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think about it. Fast forward to, I'm probably 17. Brought
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my girlfriend over to my house one night. On a
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Friday night, we were out on a date and we
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came home. And my parents were going through stacks of
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old photo albums. My dad had tons and tons of
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the old photo albums. And they were the ones that
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You either pulled up the cellophane, you know, and stuck
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the picture onto the sticky back. Or he had ones
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that were, had like little glued corners on them that
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were stuck onto like instruction paper. We had tons of those.
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And they were all through them. And I'd looked through
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some of them before, but not all of them. I
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was sitting there. My girlfriend and I were both looking
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at it, watching my parents go through them and looking
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at the photos too. And my mom came across this picture.
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And it was a picture of my mom as a
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young girl and this lady next to her and an
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older gentleman. And it was the same gentleman that I
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had seen as a child. And it hit me at
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that moment. I had this recollection of him. And I
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asked my mom, I stopped, I said, who is that?
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And she said, well, that's Pepe. That's your grandfather. I
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had never met my grandfathers, but either one of them,
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they both passed away shortly before I was born. And
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she said, yeah, that's my father, that's Pepe. you know,
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that's when, you know, and she told me a story
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about it. And I didn't say anything to her at
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the time. But, you know, we went through the pictures
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and everything. Well, later on, we left. I told my
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girlfriend about it. We were both kind of freaked out
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about it. So that was kind of freaky. But the
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real kicker was probably, I don't know, I'm probably in
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my 30s at the moment. My parents had just passed away,
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both of them. My father passed away while I actually
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rode up a A story about that that you're familiar with.
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My mom passed a week later. And after my mom's funeral,
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my brother and sister and myself went all back to
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the house. And we were kind of going through all
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the stuff in the house. You know, you're going... Opening
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drawers and seeing what's this and what's that. And just
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kind of figuring out what to throw away, what to
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give away, what to keep. Well, I ran into... I
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found a big stack of old letters. And a lot
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of them were letters from my dad and my mom
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during World War II. Some were from other members of
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the family. I found a series of letters that were
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from my mother's father, Pepe, who at the time was
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in the hospital dying of some form of, I don't know, cancer, tuberculosis, something.
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He didn't have much longer. He was telling my mother
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that it was really disappointing to him that he would
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not be able to see her son, who was going
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to be born in a couple of months, which was me,
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and that he couldn't be there with us. But he
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would always watch out for us. He told her he
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would take care and he would watch out for me.
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And he'd be around. And that's when it really hit me.
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That floored me. Wow. I don't know. I don't know
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what else to say about that. That really, that brought
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it to my attention. Always seen things throughout my life, though.
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My dad was the same. There were a lot of
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times when I was a kid, I would hear things
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or see people that looked just as solid as they
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could be. And I would say something about it. My mom,
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my brothers and sister would just, you know, laugh it
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off them. Tell me what a great imagination I had. And,
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you know, I was just, I was crazy. I was,
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you're being silly. And as a young child, I tried,
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there were some times I really tried to get their
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attention to let them know that, you know, there's something else,
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something going on here. What, who is that person? Who's,
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what's happening? Why aren't you seeing this? My father pulled
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me aside one time and said, you know, he knew
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what I was seeing. He was aware of it. There
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were things that were meant for us to see that
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weren't meant for other people. And he probably kept me
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from going crazy as a kid. He really did. He
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let me know he was there for me and that,
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you know, there's other things out there in the world
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that a lot of people were just not meant to
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be aware of. And it's really not our place to
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try to make them aware of it. So I guess
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that's what started me down this road.
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Yeah, and your experiences were.
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I used to listen to a lot of these stories
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when I was.
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A kid. Mine, it wasn't my father, but my maternal
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grandmother that I had almost the same exact conversations with.
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And she explained, there's things that are just meant for
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you that only you can see. And sometimes you'll see
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something that's meant for somebody else, but you can see
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it too. And then other things you may see and
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you'll never know who it's for or what it's all about.
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at all, even in retrospect. And I found that to
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be true. Like you, my adventures started early. I saw
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little tiny Christmas lights flying around the house when I
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was still in a crib. And there were no flying
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lights in our house. I was trying to catch them.
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And my dad's like, what are you doing? And I'm
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trying to catch these lights, Daddy. But he couldn't see them.
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And then the first apparition I ever saw was... a
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little boy that ran into our yard and disappeared. And
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I didn't take my eyes off the spot, went right
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to the spot, nothing there, nothing I could have mistaken
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for a kid, no hole that a kid could have
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fallen in. I went and got a shovel and dug
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there to see if there was something in the ground,
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didn't find anything. And Cisco and I were talking about that.
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And literally I've still got that shovel and I'm still digging,
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you know, I'm always looking for answers. And you probably
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found this to be your experience too. We've got a
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lot more questions than when we started and it's not,
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about finding the answers anymore. It's on to the next
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set of questions.
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Absolutely. And I totally agree with that. There's just so,
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so many odd things out there, you know, and hauntings, people,
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people talk about hauntings and ghosts and there's so many
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different types, I guess you would say, you know, you've
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got your, your resonant images. It's almost like a VO tape.
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There's no connection. You can't, you can't interact with them.
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They don't interact with you. It's just like you're watching
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a video. of some kind of emotional impression that's happened.
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And then there's some that there's a lot of interaction.
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There are entities out there that are just lost. They
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don't know what's going on. They're not sure where they're at.
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They're not aware. They don't know what's happened. And there's
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other beings too. There's some bad stuff out there, honestly.
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I went through this life wishing that I didn't have
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the sight that I've had. A long time ago, I
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gave up trying to convince people of anything. I see
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what I see. I believe what I believe. If I've
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got a tumor and I'm just crazy, then that's what
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it is. But I don't think so. There's just so
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much out there that we don't know about. It's... And
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I don't know that we ever will. I hope so.
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I hope someday, you know, on the other side, we'll
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have answers to everything.
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Yep, I agree.
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Don't have it now, though. Yeah.
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If we had all the answers, the journey wouldn't have
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been half as much fun. I don't think it was,
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you know, it was frightening. It was exhilarating. But there's
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always something happening. And like you, I saw people that
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nobody else could see. And I didn't know that. There
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were two little boys that used to come down out
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of the woods. on the farm where i grew up
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and not a big farm is 26 acres but there
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were these little kids that would come down out of
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the woods and i would play with them down in
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an area we call the bottoms which is on the
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other side of a creek and we probably had a
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garden down there planting corn and stuff and i asked
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my dad about that much later in life i was
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probably in my 30s or maybe even 40 and i
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said who were those kids that i used to play
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with down there and he's like your imaginary friends? And
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I said, no, these were real children. And I told
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him the direction that they came from when they came
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down the hill. He said, there's nothing over there. He said,
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there's a sheer bluff on the other side of that
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ridge that drops off down into the lake, which used
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to be the Clinch River until TVA dammed it up
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and made Mountain Hill Lake. And he said, the only
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thing that was back over there, if you went off
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the top of it, he said, there used to be
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on the flat land over there on the other side
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of the river, There was an old church and a graveyard.
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And I was like, hmm, okay. So apparently I was
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playing with ghost kids and didn't even realize they were ghosts.
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And it was weird because at the time this would
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have been in the mid to late 60s, maybe into
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the early 70s. They didn't dress like kids that day.
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They had like short hair, like burr haircuts, like buzz cuts.
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And they had jeans with a cuffed way up. And
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little flannel shirts. And I think it's probably some kids
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that passed away from smallpox or cholera or something that
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had been buried in that graveyard back there. And when
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we'd been down there playing, I would hear a bell
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off in the distance, almost like a dinner bell. And
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they would just stop whatever they're doing and take off
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back through the woods and go out of sight. That's
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weird that the ringing of a bell but anytime we
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played down there if I got close to the branch
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the creek there they wouldn't get near it and you
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know that's the the myth apparently the legend is a
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ghost can't cross running water and other times when I
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wasn't playing with these little kids I'd be down in
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there and it started getting dark I would get just
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this overwhelming sense of foreboding, and I would run out
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of there, and my dad would build a little bridge
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across the creek there, and I didn't feel like something
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wasn't after me until I got across that bridge when
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I crossed the water. So that kind of makes sense.
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But that whole area, it was weird. There were seven
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natural springs, six of them that flowed out of hillsides,
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and one that was an artesian spring. Those flowed into
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a bigger creek, which... used to go into the river
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and then the lake. And the ditch near there, where
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I had several paranormal experiences that I've talked about, that
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was the old stagecoach road, the old dirt road through
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the air, dating back to revolutionary times and probably before that.
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But I think that people got ambushed there. People stopped
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along that road and went down there to the creek
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to get a drink of water. And especially, I believe,
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during the Civil War, because we used to find the
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mini balls, the fired balls, shells down there, cartridges, and
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things like that, found arrowheads and things down there. One time,
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there was an old tree that lightning had struck, and
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it rotted, and my dad and I were burning it,
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and when we rolled it over so the other side
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would catch, there was the tip of a Civil War-era
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bayonet that was broken off in the tree. So I
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don't know what all had gone down there, but it
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felt off. Wow.
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Wow. Yeah, the water, water has an attraction. I do
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believe that. When I grew up, we lived at the
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end of a cul-de-sac and I had a creek running
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right behind the house. And we went down the hill
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and probably, I don't know, 75 yards from my house
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was a running creek. And I saw there was just
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so many things that happened around that creek, not just
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behind the house, but up and down the creek. We
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played as kids. The kids in there were always in
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that creek. But there was always something happening or something
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going on on this nearby. There was a few miles,
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I guess, from my house heading south. It was called
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Second Creek. It still is. But it passed right through
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the middle of the graveyard on the very edge of town.
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It's the only graveyard we had. And there was an
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old stone bridge that created a cemetery. It was never
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used when I was a kid. In fact, we didn't
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even know it was there. Until one time we went
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that far down the creek and found it. I remember
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one time when it was summertime around the 4th of July.
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Because we were all running around at night playing games,
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you know, doing the ghost in the graveyard and that
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kind of stuff. But we had an interesting graveyard. It
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goes back a long time. Early, well, early mid-1800s, I guess.
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And the oldest graves back there. My friend, two of
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my friends and I decided we were going to go
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and we're going to, we're going to camp out in
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the graveyard at night, you know, kind of check things out.
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So we were making plans and everything, but we did that.
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We headed down one night, a couple of the other kids,
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the older kids in the neighborhood, a couple of boys,
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they'd heard what was going on. So they decided they
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were going to come down and.
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Mess with us.
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So we were down there and we were kind of
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camping out, you know, kind of freaking each other out
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about things and, Hadn't really seen anything at the time
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or felt anything. Dave and Scott, the two kids, were
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trying to sneak up on us. So we knew they
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were coming. We heard them. So we had some fireworks
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with us and some bottle rockets and stuff. So we
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kind of went down toward the creek and then started
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lighting them off at them. And they got all freaked
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out and took off. And we thought that was great fun. Well,
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one of the boys that was working Right with me,
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we were hiding down at the bridge and we were
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under that stone bridge waiting for everybody to leave and
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kind of laughing about things and trying to keep quiet. Well,
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we sat down there for probably, I don't know, it'd
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probably been about 10 or 15 minutes after everybody left.
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We were still kind of down there throwing rocks in
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the water and just kind of listening to everything. And
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we heard, it was the sound of a bell, kind
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of a, I don't know, like a small tin bell.
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just ringing kind of erratically. And after that came the
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sound of horse hooves. And clear as a bell, we
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heard this group of horses come down through the field,
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which it was just field on the other side of
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this bridge. It sounded like horses were pulling a carriage.
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And they came and crossed that bridge over the top
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of us. went down into the cemetery. And we're listening
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to this, just scared to death to even look out
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from underneath the bridge. And it went maybe, I don't know,
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100 yards into the cemetery. And it stopped. And the
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bell stopped ringing. And we heard muted voices. Couldn't make
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out what they were saying. But they were definitely talking.
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And we decided finally we were going to go take
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a look at what's going on. going on here you
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know so we start climbing out and brian who was
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with me probably got about 20 or 30 feet up
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the hill in front of me and then he took
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off like a shot headed for the creek didn't say
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a word and was just gone i got up there
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i got up and looked and i can't say i
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saw much it was it was kind of foggy at
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that point um but there was definitely some kind of
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light down by where the old graves were. And when
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I came up, the voices stopped and it became dead silent.
477
00:26:09.859 --> 00:26:12.019
I took off after Brian not knowing what's all or,
478
00:26:12.180 --> 00:26:14.660
you know, just wanted to get out of there. I
479
00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:19.119
had just a bad, bad feeling. Years later, we never
480
00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:21.809
did find out what was going on there. But years later,
481
00:26:22.460 --> 00:26:26.910
I found out that that bridge, the only purpose that
482
00:26:26.990 --> 00:26:34.849
bridge ever served was to carry the hearse that would drive.
483
00:26:34.890 --> 00:26:38.490
There was an old horse-drawn hearse that came from that
484
00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:42.559
side of the field where the guy that dug the
485
00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:46.880
graves lived up there. He apparently had an old carriage.
486
00:26:47.819 --> 00:26:50.059
They would carry the bodies into the cemetery that way,
487
00:26:50.299 --> 00:26:53.039
and then he would do his business and bury them.
488
00:26:53.980 --> 00:26:57.779
I got with the old Winchester Historical Society, which is
489
00:26:57.799 --> 00:27:02.359
where I'm from. They had some old pictures and actually
490
00:27:02.460 --> 00:27:06.529
were talking about the old carriage that used to come across,
491
00:27:06.609 --> 00:27:10.809
and it actually had bells that hung off the front.
492
00:27:10.970 --> 00:27:13.410
They were on some wires, so it made a noise
493
00:27:13.690 --> 00:27:17.819
as they came toward the cemetery. That was really creepy.
494
00:27:19.779 --> 00:27:22.299
I'm not sure if we were just watching and hearing
495
00:27:22.339 --> 00:27:25.160
something in the past, but it was right by that creek.
496
00:27:25.980 --> 00:27:27.480
Yeah, that's frightening.
497
00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:28.380
Just so many things.
498
00:27:29.349 --> 00:27:32.690
East Tennessee, too, there was an area, Beaver Creek, that
499
00:27:32.730 --> 00:27:34.410
ran through there. And I think it goes all the
500
00:27:34.450 --> 00:27:38.559
way up into Virginia or somewhere. But everywhere along that creek,
501
00:27:38.619 --> 00:27:42.420
there are all kinds of hauntings and paranormal activity. And
502
00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:45.380
a very similar story. At one point, there were some
503
00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:48.740
guys down there that had either robbed the stagecoach or
504
00:27:48.819 --> 00:27:51.880
robbed the train and took off up the hill toward
505
00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:55.619
Beaver Creek. And they hid out in a cave. And
506
00:27:56.039 --> 00:27:58.180
their initials are still in there. You can go and...
507
00:27:58.579 --> 00:28:01.559
see that in the cave that's up there. But they
508
00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:04.680
eventually caught him and killed him right outside the cave there.
509
00:28:04.980 --> 00:28:07.900
But one night, my dad was out in there and
510
00:28:07.940 --> 00:28:11.240
he heard what sounded like hoofbeats, heard them coming up
511
00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:14.319
the hill, passed right by him there by the creek
512
00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:16.440
and went out of earshot. He said there was no
513
00:28:16.500 --> 00:28:18.960
horses there. I mean, he grew up on a 900
514
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:22.400
and something acre farm in Middle Tennessee. He was very
515
00:28:22.460 --> 00:28:25.390
well versed around farm animals. He said, I heard it,
516
00:28:25.450 --> 00:28:27.769
but there was nothing there. And that's one of the
517
00:28:27.809 --> 00:28:29.809
stories that if you go down there, I don't know
518
00:28:29.829 --> 00:28:32.559
if it's certain nights or certain time of night, you
519
00:28:32.579 --> 00:28:36.619
can hear those guys still replaying that over and over
520
00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:38.859
where they're trying to get through there on their horses
521
00:28:38.900 --> 00:28:41.259
to get away from the posse that was pursuing them,
522
00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:44.730
and they didn't make it. And there's something about the
523
00:28:44.789 --> 00:28:48.690
water like that. You're right. And you'd sent me another story.
524
00:28:49.130 --> 00:28:51.289
I think it happened around that same area where he
525
00:28:51.329 --> 00:28:53.630
grew up. I don't think I've gotten around to narrating
526
00:28:53.670 --> 00:28:56.319
that yet. It was the turtle man. Now, was that
527
00:28:56.480 --> 00:28:59.289
a supernatural thing or just a strange person that was.
528
00:28:59.289 --> 00:29:01.690
Out walking around? Yeah.
529
00:29:01.910 --> 00:29:03.410
Tell us a little bit about that one, if you would.
530
00:29:03.470 --> 00:29:07.789
No, it was definitely something. Okay, no, that's fine. That's
531
00:29:07.890 --> 00:29:15.210
one of the first recollections I have of a fact
532
00:29:15.289 --> 00:29:18.390
with another, it was a ghost, shall we say, or
533
00:29:18.430 --> 00:29:21.819
another entity. Didn't know it at the time. I was,
534
00:29:22.500 --> 00:29:25.480
it was summertime. Strangely enough, my dad, we had a
535
00:29:25.700 --> 00:29:27.920
bridge across the creek behind our house as well that
536
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:30.640
my father had built to hang out back there on
537
00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:35.549
that old wooden bridge out and down. Maybe fish off it.
538
00:29:35.630 --> 00:29:39.230
The water wasn't that deep. It was probably only four
539
00:29:39.250 --> 00:29:42.089
or five feet in some areas through there, and five
540
00:29:42.109 --> 00:29:47.539
would be deep for that. Creek was, oh, 40, 50
541
00:29:47.539 --> 00:29:50.480
feet wide through there, trees hanging over and everything. We
542
00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:57.180
were always in the water, turning over rocks, looking for crawdads,
543
00:29:57.220 --> 00:30:00.349
catching fish and stuff. Well, one summer day I was
544
00:30:00.650 --> 00:30:03.910
by myself and I was probably, I don't know, eight, seven,
545
00:30:03.970 --> 00:30:07.009
eight years old or something. And I was sitting down
546
00:30:07.380 --> 00:30:09.880
on the, on the bridge, having some lunch, you know,
547
00:30:09.900 --> 00:30:12.579
I had a sandwich and some, a drink or something.
548
00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:15.400
And I remember having a book on fish. It was
549
00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:17.640
like a library book that was on real colorful, had
550
00:30:17.940 --> 00:30:20.400
all kinds of fish, different types in it. And I
551
00:30:20.440 --> 00:30:22.380
was looking at that reading and just kind of hanging
552
00:30:22.420 --> 00:30:25.700
my feet off the side of the bridge and, you know,
553
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:30.559
enjoying the summer day. by myself back there. And I
554
00:30:30.619 --> 00:30:34.299
started hearing this thumping noise off in the distance down
555
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:37.839
the creek. Kind of a thunk, thunk, kind of almost
556
00:30:37.859 --> 00:30:43.539
a metallic sound. And I'd heard it before. Didn't know
557
00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:44.829
what it was. I put my stock in it. But
558
00:30:44.849 --> 00:30:47.480
I started looking down the creek, you know, and trying
559
00:30:47.509 --> 00:30:51.710
to figure out what this was because from my house
560
00:30:51.750 --> 00:30:53.950
there was another house, you know, I don't know, a
561
00:30:54.529 --> 00:30:57.579
quarter mile away. And then Really nothing. I mean, there
562
00:30:57.599 --> 00:31:01.640
were some other houses up from the creek, but no
563
00:31:01.740 --> 00:31:05.640
kind of industrial thing or no. There's just nothing. It
564
00:31:05.660 --> 00:31:07.920
just went into woods and, you know, went through the
565
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:12.609
fields and whatnot. So after a couple of minutes, I
566
00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:16.250
saw this guy coming through the middle of the creek
567
00:31:16.410 --> 00:31:20.609
and walking through the water. Had a pair of overalls on.
568
00:31:21.930 --> 00:31:23.990
Was in water about up to his knees, I guess.
569
00:31:24.250 --> 00:31:28.400
And he was walking along in the water. walking next
570
00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:31.559
to the bank and he had a big stick big
571
00:31:31.660 --> 00:31:34.829
long wooden stick with him and he stopped every now
572
00:31:34.869 --> 00:31:37.950
and then he would show the the stick down into
573
00:31:37.970 --> 00:31:41.509
the bank and you'd hear it thunk thunk you'd hear
574
00:31:41.549 --> 00:31:45.609
this thunk sound and i'd never seen this guy before
575
00:31:45.630 --> 00:31:46.970
and i was you know i don't know i was
576
00:31:47.029 --> 00:31:50.430
i was a real friendly personable kid i i knew
577
00:31:50.490 --> 00:31:52.079
everybody in the area and i wanted to go see
578
00:31:52.150 --> 00:31:53.799
you know who is this guy why is he doing
579
00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:57.059
this so i ran across the bridge took off down
580
00:31:57.079 --> 00:32:01.460
the side of the bank got down there and sure
581
00:32:01.500 --> 00:32:07.039
enough appeared this old scraggly looking guy i i said
582
00:32:07.059 --> 00:32:10.599
hello and you know introduced myself to him and looked
583
00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:13.119
as solid as he could be just some old guy
584
00:32:13.140 --> 00:32:15.599
and he said you know he said hello to me
585
00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:20.539
and asked him what he was doing and uh he
586
00:32:20.579 --> 00:32:23.440
was looking for turtles he's looking for some vittles i
587
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:27.950
remember him saying the word vittles because um I knew
588
00:32:27.970 --> 00:32:31.849
what that was. When I was a kid, we used
589
00:32:31.869 --> 00:32:36.670
to watch Gunsmoke every Monday night. They'd talk about that.
590
00:32:36.730 --> 00:32:39.619
That was a word that came up a lot. I
591
00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:42.400
used to hear it a lot on the Beverly Hills.
592
00:32:42.420 --> 00:32:45.859
They'd have company over for vittles. And I asked my dad,
593
00:32:45.900 --> 00:32:47.440
I said, where'd they get that word? He said, they're
594
00:32:47.460 --> 00:32:52.210
saying victuals, but it's vittles in the South or out West.
595
00:32:53.369 --> 00:32:59.769
Yeah. He said he was looking at turtles. Turtles was eating.
596
00:33:00.349 --> 00:33:04.059
And I knew there were some snapping turtles in there,
597
00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:07.960
and I thought that was, you know, okay. So I said, well,
598
00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:12.059
how do you catch them? Because he was dragging along
599
00:33:12.099 --> 00:33:15.500
with him a big, long, collapsed sack that was tied
600
00:33:15.539 --> 00:33:18.619
around his shoulder and waist, but it was hanging behind
601
00:33:18.660 --> 00:33:21.750
him just coming through the water. And it looked like
602
00:33:21.769 --> 00:33:23.190
it had something in it. I mean, it had some
603
00:33:23.250 --> 00:33:25.910
stuff because it had some weight to it. But I said, well,
604
00:33:26.029 --> 00:33:28.869
how are you catching them with a stick? You know,
605
00:33:29.089 --> 00:33:32.759
those things are mean. He said, well, let me tell you.
606
00:33:32.779 --> 00:33:35.700
He said, you come along here. He said, turtle. He said,
607
00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:37.880
a big old snapper will come up, and they'll find
608
00:33:37.940 --> 00:33:42.059
a hole in the side of the bank. And they'll
609
00:33:42.099 --> 00:33:45.200
go in, and they'll stay in there. And then they'll
610
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:48.740
be hiding. He said, I take my stick, and he said,
611
00:33:48.829 --> 00:33:52.059
I stick it in there. I hear it slunk. i
612
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:54.839
know so i i he said what i'll do is
613
00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:57.319
reach my hand down and grab that turtle pull him
614
00:33:57.480 --> 00:33:59.500
out and then throw him up on the bank and
615
00:33:59.539 --> 00:34:02.160
then i'll grab him put him in the burlap sack
616
00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:06.420
i thought this guy was nuts i said you know
617
00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:09.659
you you you're gonna you can't do that you know
618
00:34:09.699 --> 00:34:13.110
you're gonna you're gonna get bit turtles snapping turtles are
619
00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:17.679
nasty things you know um they uh I always heard
620
00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:20.420
when they go to bite down, they have to actually
621
00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:22.619
finish the bite before they can release again. I'm not
622
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:25.289
sure if that's true, but I've never really done research
623
00:34:25.349 --> 00:34:28.750
on it, but I guess their jaw is locked, you know?
624
00:34:28.809 --> 00:34:33.010
Yeah, I've heard similar things about snapping turtles. In all
625
00:34:33.050 --> 00:34:36.920
my adventures on the creek there, I found one, and
626
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:39.619
I poked it with a big stick, a limb, and
627
00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:41.559
it chomped down on the limb, and I carried it
628
00:34:41.619 --> 00:34:43.800
all the way home with it hanging onto that limb.
629
00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:45.860
And I took it and I showed my mother. I said,
630
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:48.610
look what I caught. And she said, that's a snapping turtle.
631
00:34:48.630 --> 00:34:50.250
You get rid of that. She said, if that gets
632
00:34:50.269 --> 00:34:52.610
a hold of you, it won't let go until it
633
00:34:52.650 --> 00:34:56.769
hears thunder. I'd never heard that either. But apparently, yeah,
634
00:34:56.809 --> 00:34:59.170
they've got a hell of a bite. And then they
635
00:34:59.210 --> 00:35:00.989
just will not. Like I said, I carried it the
636
00:35:01.030 --> 00:35:02.849
full way to the turtle on the end of that stick.
637
00:35:02.869 --> 00:35:04.210
And it was a big old turtle. That was the
638
00:35:04.230 --> 00:35:06.800
only one I ever encountered. But yeah, I wouldn't have
639
00:35:06.989 --> 00:35:08.559
reached under the bank and tried to grab one with
640
00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:09.079
my hand.
641
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:12.539
Oh, God, no. I was like, well, you know, what
642
00:35:12.579 --> 00:35:14.690
happens if you reach in and he's going to bite you?
643
00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:17.550
And he goes, nah, he won't bite you. He said,
644
00:35:18.030 --> 00:35:20.489
they go in head first. He said, they'll always go
645
00:35:20.510 --> 00:35:22.750
in head first, and they have to back out. I
646
00:35:22.789 --> 00:35:24.469
thought about it for a minute, and I thought, well,
647
00:35:24.590 --> 00:35:28.670
you know, what happens if the hole's big enough that
648
00:35:28.710 --> 00:35:31.909
that turtle gets turned around there? And he kind of
649
00:35:31.949 --> 00:35:34.050
looked at me, and he looked at the water, got
650
00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:36.300
a look kind of close to me, and he said, well, son,
651
00:35:36.860 --> 00:35:39.349
then you get back, and he pulled his hand up,
652
00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:42.139
and he was missing his three middle fingers on his
653
00:35:42.179 --> 00:35:46.349
right hand, and I fell backwards onto the bank. Just
654
00:35:46.389 --> 00:35:49.949
freaked out. And he was laughing, just cackling at the
655
00:35:49.989 --> 00:35:53.469
top of his lungs. And I started to climb up
656
00:35:53.489 --> 00:35:55.860
and he apologized to me. He said, I'm sorry, son.
657
00:35:55.880 --> 00:36:00.380
He said, I couldn't resist, you know. And he said,
658
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:03.380
you know, that's what happened to him. He got bit
659
00:36:03.519 --> 00:36:06.739
one time. And he said, nah, they never do that much.
660
00:36:07.619 --> 00:36:10.820
And sat there in the grass and kind of talked
661
00:36:10.889 --> 00:36:13.130
to him. And we had a nice conversation for about
662
00:36:13.210 --> 00:36:17.420
probably 10 minutes, I guess. And then my mom had
663
00:36:17.500 --> 00:36:22.460
this old kind of bronze dinner bell that was hanging
664
00:36:22.539 --> 00:36:27.889
off the door on the back porch. And when it
665
00:36:27.909 --> 00:36:30.090
was dinnertime, she would open the back door and hit
666
00:36:30.130 --> 00:36:31.630
that thing. And I'm telling you, if I was within
667
00:36:31.650 --> 00:36:35.210
a mile of the house, you heard that. And that
668
00:36:35.230 --> 00:36:36.710
was my cue to come home. I had to come
669
00:36:36.730 --> 00:36:39.719
home for dinner. So that thing went off. And I
670
00:36:39.739 --> 00:36:41.800
looked back at the house and I told him, I said, ma'am,
671
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:43.639
that's my mom. I got to, you know, I got,
672
00:36:43.699 --> 00:36:45.780
she's calling me for dinner. I got to go. And
673
00:36:45.820 --> 00:36:48.840
I said, you know, it was nice meeting you. And
674
00:36:48.860 --> 00:36:51.440
he said, yeah, you better go. He said, you don't
675
00:36:51.460 --> 00:36:55.059
want to get yourself in trouble. And I turned around
676
00:36:55.099 --> 00:36:57.119
and started to run up the hill, and I hadn't
677
00:36:57.159 --> 00:37:00.389
gone maybe 10 feet. And I stopped, and I thought,
678
00:37:00.409 --> 00:37:03.550
you know what? I don't know this guy's name. So
679
00:37:03.630 --> 00:37:07.469
I turned around to ask him, sir, what's your name?
680
00:37:07.530 --> 00:37:10.150
You know, it was nice meeting you. And there was
681
00:37:10.389 --> 00:37:15.590
nobody there. He was gone, completely gone. and he'd been
682
00:37:15.670 --> 00:37:19.670
standing in the Creek. There was no way he could
683
00:37:19.710 --> 00:37:22.760
have gotten out of that Creek. I ran to the
684
00:37:22.820 --> 00:37:26.179
edge thinking maybe he'd fallen down the water or something. No,
685
00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:29.420
there was no sign of him. There was no ripples
686
00:37:29.500 --> 00:37:34.440
in the water. It was, he was just gone. I
687
00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:36.539
think I stood there for about 10 seconds and then
688
00:37:36.579 --> 00:37:38.920
I turned around and just ran for the house as
689
00:37:38.980 --> 00:37:43.260
fast as I could. I was just freaked out. And, uh,
690
00:37:44.969 --> 00:37:46.489
Got to the house, sat and got in the dinner
691
00:37:46.510 --> 00:37:48.630
table and, you know, started trying to tell my mom
692
00:37:48.909 --> 00:37:50.590
what was going on. And she was just like, yeah, well,
693
00:37:50.630 --> 00:37:52.849
you know, you're OK. I don't have time for stories,
694
00:37:52.889 --> 00:37:57.599
you know, just eat your dinner. Dad came home shortly
695
00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:03.380
thereafter and I was telling him. And he said something
696
00:38:03.400 --> 00:38:06.199
about that, he heard noises, he said he'd heard that
697
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:08.909
something before, but he didn't know what it was. Well,
698
00:38:08.929 --> 00:38:11.050
after dinner, he said, well, come on, I'll go down
699
00:38:11.070 --> 00:38:13.269
the creek with you and we'll we'll see, you know,
700
00:38:13.309 --> 00:38:16.860
we'll look around. So we went down there together, didn't
701
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:21.300
see a thing, no sign whatsoever that he was ever there,
702
00:38:21.340 --> 00:38:24.769
that I ever saw anything. And that was those times
703
00:38:24.789 --> 00:38:26.590
he said, well, you know, maybe that was something just
704
00:38:26.610 --> 00:38:31.389
meant for you to see. Well, I looked a lot
705
00:38:31.570 --> 00:38:34.170
over the next couple of weeks. I'd look around the creek,
706
00:38:34.250 --> 00:38:37.380
I'd listen, nothing. There were times I did hear that
707
00:38:37.429 --> 00:38:40.699
thumping again. And one time, probably a couple of months
708
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:42.940
after that, I was sitting on my back, We had
709
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:46.219
like a big concrete patio back there with a grill.
710
00:38:46.340 --> 00:38:49.179
And it was a nice place to hang out. I
711
00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:52.489
was sitting back there with my friend Brian across the street.
712
00:38:52.690 --> 00:38:55.409
We're back there playing Hot Wheels, just rolling around, Army
713
00:38:55.429 --> 00:38:57.570
Man Hot Wheels, just having a good old time back there.
714
00:38:58.329 --> 00:39:02.289
And I heard that thumping coming up that creek. And
715
00:39:02.349 --> 00:39:03.989
he heard it too. I asked him, I said, do
716
00:39:04.010 --> 00:39:06.010
you hear that? He said, yeah, what is that? I said,
717
00:39:06.050 --> 00:39:08.219
come on. And I grabbed him and we took off
718
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:12.139
running down that hillside. Got to the creek, started looking around.
719
00:39:13.369 --> 00:39:16.940
We heard the thumping continue all the way down to
720
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:20.539
the creek. When we got to it, it stopped. Didn't
721
00:39:20.579 --> 00:39:25.869
hear it again. We probably walked down the creek on
722
00:39:25.969 --> 00:39:29.610
both sides of the banks and never did see anything.
723
00:39:30.500 --> 00:39:34.300
But he heard it. To me, that verified that I
724
00:39:34.340 --> 00:39:38.019
wasn't just nuts.
725
00:39:38.059 --> 00:39:40.760
That was your validation right there.
726
00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:47.920
My room, yeah, my bedroom was at the back of
727
00:39:47.940 --> 00:39:51.070
the house, so it looked down onto the creek. And
728
00:39:51.090 --> 00:39:54.050
I had, I had wooden, these red wooden shutters that
729
00:39:54.070 --> 00:39:58.039
you could close and lock and then pull the shutters
730
00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:01.360
kind of, you know, upward. So you couldn't see out,
731
00:40:01.420 --> 00:40:04.920
nothing could see in. There were times, a couple of
732
00:40:04.940 --> 00:40:07.659
times at night, late, when I would be laying there
733
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:11.909
in bed reading something, getting ready to doze off, knock
734
00:40:12.150 --> 00:40:15.309
that something, I'd hear that something down in the creek.
735
00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:18.280
Let me tell you, every time I did after that,
736
00:40:18.340 --> 00:40:21.400
I made damn sure that my window shutters were locked
737
00:40:21.539 --> 00:40:24.460
tight and I did not look out. Because if I did,
738
00:40:24.539 --> 00:40:28.159
I was afraid I'd look down. He'd be standing down
739
00:40:28.179 --> 00:40:30.300
there in front of me just waving that hand in
740
00:40:30.340 --> 00:40:36.570
my face and laughing. It's just, ooh. But that kind
741
00:40:37.269 --> 00:40:41.190
of messes me up when they talk, you know, you
742
00:40:41.230 --> 00:40:44.690
hear about ghosts not being able to cross running water.
743
00:40:45.860 --> 00:40:48.860
And that's a big thing. I mean, it seems to
744
00:40:48.909 --> 00:40:52.349
be true in a lot of cases. But here, this
745
00:40:52.449 --> 00:40:55.590
one was in the water. He was literally walking through
746
00:40:55.610 --> 00:40:56.409
the creek. Yeah.
747
00:40:56.489 --> 00:40:58.550
Not only could he cross it, he was standing. It
748
00:40:58.570 --> 00:41:00.199
sounded like he was standing waist deep in it.
749
00:41:01.550 --> 00:41:06.019
Yeah. Yeah, he was. Never forget that for a game.
750
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:08.239
I can close my eyes right now and just picture him.
751
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:11.480
Picture the face and everything about him as clear as
752
00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:13.239
it was that day when I first saw him.
753
00:41:16.150 --> 00:41:19.829
The thing with the fingers, though, that had to be frightening.
754
00:41:21.829 --> 00:41:23.750
Oh, it did. I mean, he put them right up
755
00:41:23.789 --> 00:41:26.250
in my face, and we just started laughing. Boy, I
756
00:41:26.289 --> 00:41:31.440
must have fallen back five feet right on my butt.
757
00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:34.760
And so that was a one-off. You hurt him after that,
758
00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:36.900
but you never did see him again. Is that correct?
759
00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:40.579
Correct. I never, never did. And I looked. There were
760
00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:43.349
a few times during daylight hours. when I heard that
761
00:41:43.409 --> 00:41:44.989
noise and I'd run down there and look, but I
762
00:41:45.050 --> 00:41:49.670
never did see him. Never did. And never, never had
763
00:41:49.710 --> 00:41:53.829
the feeling that he was looked. You're, you're, you're tuned
764
00:41:54.409 --> 00:41:57.510
to it. Like I am to some degree and probably
765
00:41:58.050 --> 00:42:02.139
maybe more. It's more than just a sight. You, you
766
00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:05.739
feel it when you're, when you're close to something or
767
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:12.440
there's something nearby, your body's telling you that they're there.
768
00:42:12.989 --> 00:42:14.989
You know it. It's an energy, at least with me.
769
00:42:15.010 --> 00:42:17.489
It's almost like an electrical charge.
770
00:42:17.670 --> 00:42:20.409
Yeah, exactly. That's how I would describe it. Almost like
771
00:42:20.949 --> 00:42:23.329
just a creeping sensation that goes up your spine or
772
00:42:23.349 --> 00:42:25.989
across your arms. But I can tell when I'm in
773
00:42:26.030 --> 00:42:29.139
the presence of something strange or weird because I get
774
00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:30.579
that prickling sensation.
775
00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:35.019
Yep. Yep. It starts, like I say, it's going up
776
00:42:35.059 --> 00:42:36.760
the back of your neck. It's in my shoulders. I
777
00:42:36.780 --> 00:42:43.050
start shaking. It's almost like I'm getting electrocuted. small degree.
778
00:42:44.230 --> 00:42:49.230
And sure enough, there'll be something. I'll see you here
779
00:42:49.269 --> 00:42:55.920
or just know something's there. Yeah. You can't get away
780
00:42:55.960 --> 00:42:56.239
from it.
781
00:42:56.360 --> 00:43:00.420
It's great. I wouldn't want it any other way. Sometimes, yeah,
782
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:03.440
it's annoying and frightening. I've been scared out of my
783
00:43:03.500 --> 00:43:07.210
wits before by stuff. But again, those are great memories.
784
00:43:07.289 --> 00:43:10.909
I wouldn't want to not be scared by I had
785
00:43:10.969 --> 00:43:12.829
something I couldn't see chase me out of a ditch
786
00:43:12.929 --> 00:43:17.789
a couple of times, several years apart. And years later,
787
00:43:17.809 --> 00:43:21.389
a Ouija board at a little house party I'd shown
788
00:43:21.469 --> 00:43:24.469
up at said that it was a water spirit or
789
00:43:24.489 --> 00:43:27.769
a water sprite. And I went to the library. This
790
00:43:27.849 --> 00:43:30.429
is pre-internet. Looked it up. Sure enough, it was a
791
00:43:30.449 --> 00:43:37.050
type of elemental that guards the water, a niad. And okay.
792
00:43:37.289 --> 00:43:40.110
And the people at the party didn't know that story.
793
00:43:40.170 --> 00:43:42.730
I never told it to anybody at that point, besides
794
00:43:42.769 --> 00:43:46.340
my parents. And yet these people working the Ouija board,
795
00:43:46.980 --> 00:43:49.340
and then all I said was they were going around
796
00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:51.920
the room asking people questions. I didn't know anybody at
797
00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:54.380
this little party, except the guy was with it. I
798
00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:56.420
only knew him from work and he didn't know the story.
799
00:43:56.920 --> 00:43:58.519
But when they got to me, I thought I've got
800
00:43:58.539 --> 00:44:00.440
a good one for you. All I said was what
801
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:03.610
scared me as a child with that incident in mind.
802
00:44:04.230 --> 00:44:10.010
And the Ouija board spelled out S-P-R-I-T-E. And they thought, oh, well,
803
00:44:10.090 --> 00:44:12.510
it's thirsty. It wants a Sprite. It wants something to drink.
804
00:44:13.050 --> 00:44:14.800
But like I said, I filed that away. My next
805
00:44:14.820 --> 00:44:17.760
day off, I went to the big library downtown and
806
00:44:18.380 --> 00:44:20.480
asked the reference librarian, what can you tell me about
807
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:23.119
a water Sprite or a water spirit? And that was
808
00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:26.019
what she came up with. So there you go. According
809
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:28.420
to the Ouija board, that's what I encountered. And it
810
00:44:28.460 --> 00:44:31.599
wasn't like a little fairy, a little gossamer wing something.
811
00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:33.900
First of all, I couldn't see it. It was affecting
812
00:44:33.940 --> 00:44:37.340
the tree limbs a lot higher than my head. And
813
00:44:37.699 --> 00:44:39.719
I could feel the ground shake when this thing came
814
00:44:39.780 --> 00:44:41.980
up out of the ditch, leaves knocking up in its wake.
815
00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:46.280
And that was when I was, I think, seven or eight.
816
00:44:46.980 --> 00:44:49.019
And then right before we moved away from there, I
817
00:44:49.059 --> 00:44:51.960
was 15 at that time. I walked back up there.
818
00:44:51.980 --> 00:44:54.380
I hadn't been there. I'd been near it, but not
819
00:44:54.420 --> 00:44:57.929
by myself. And I thought I was just kind of
820
00:44:57.969 --> 00:45:02.179
walking around the old home place there because we'd moved
821
00:45:02.420 --> 00:45:05.179
several miles up the highway to closer to where I
822
00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:07.059
was going to go to high school. I was just
823
00:45:07.099 --> 00:45:09.659
kind of out revisiting my haunts. We had 26 acres
824
00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:11.869
out there in the country. So I had a lot
825
00:45:11.929 --> 00:45:15.389
of tree forts and stone circles and places that I
826
00:45:15.449 --> 00:45:17.750
camped and cooked and stuff. I just wanted to take
827
00:45:17.769 --> 00:45:20.050
a last look at that. And I walked up to
828
00:45:20.090 --> 00:45:23.590
the edge of that ditch, Terry, and I said, it's
829
00:45:23.639 --> 00:45:25.980
just myself. I was wondering what that was that scared
830
00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:28.559
me when I was a kid. And I hadn't, Much
831
00:45:28.619 --> 00:45:30.239
more than got that thought out of my head, I
832
00:45:30.300 --> 00:45:32.860
turned and started to walk away, and I hear those
833
00:45:32.989 --> 00:45:35.550
leaves coming up out of the ditch again. I turn around,
834
00:45:35.570 --> 00:45:38.489
and here's this thing that I can't see tearing out
835
00:45:38.510 --> 00:45:42.409
of the ditch after me. And I didn't run screaming
836
00:45:42.429 --> 00:45:44.070
and crying into the house like I did when I
837
00:45:44.110 --> 00:45:46.409
was eight years old, but I didn't waste any time
838
00:45:46.449 --> 00:45:48.949
getting out of there. That's the last time I was there.
839
00:45:49.010 --> 00:45:53.760
That's been 45 years ago. I wonder if it's still there.
840
00:45:54.019 --> 00:45:56.860
And it never bothered anybody but me. My father and
841
00:45:56.880 --> 00:45:59.570
my brother both went up there. Looked around, they could
842
00:45:59.630 --> 00:46:02.929
see where something had broke the tree limbs and kicked
843
00:46:02.989 --> 00:46:05.650
up in the leaves. They're like, was it a bear?
844
00:46:05.769 --> 00:46:07.949
Was it a deer? No, I knew what all those
845
00:46:07.989 --> 00:46:11.610
things were. And I even had a friend over one
846
00:46:11.650 --> 00:46:13.230
time and I thought I'd use him as bait. I
847
00:46:13.269 --> 00:46:15.750
had him go stand up next to the ditch. And
848
00:46:15.780 --> 00:46:17.489
I stayed down the hill in a tree. I go
849
00:46:17.510 --> 00:46:18.920
up there and look in the ditch and see if
850
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:22.480
you see anything. And he's up there walking around. Don't
851
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:25.320
see nothing. So it didn't chase him. And then I
852
00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:27.539
even tried that. I had him stand down and I
853
00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:30.039
went up there. It didn't come out that time. Whatever
854
00:46:30.059 --> 00:46:32.820
it was, it only got after me when I was alone.
855
00:46:32.989 --> 00:46:38.190
And probably the second or third most frightened I've ever been. Now,
856
00:46:38.230 --> 00:46:39.550
did you ever have anything like that?
857
00:46:39.570 --> 00:46:42.650
Wow. Did you ever have anything that basically chased you
858
00:46:42.670 --> 00:46:46.210
or got after you? Yeah, actually, just a couple of
859
00:46:46.230 --> 00:46:48.030
years ago, I had some kind of weird thing going
860
00:46:48.110 --> 00:46:51.489
on here. And I still can't describe or explain that.
861
00:46:51.510 --> 00:46:55.510
It's been a year or two back on one of
862
00:46:55.630 --> 00:47:01.139
our lunar planets. you know, things that was going on
863
00:47:01.179 --> 00:47:03.059
at night, one night we had some kind of, I
864
00:47:03.059 --> 00:47:09.679
don't know if it was a lunar eclipse, something like that. Um, I,
865
00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:11.860
like I say, I'm, I'm up all night. Um, it was,
866
00:47:12.179 --> 00:47:13.699
I was off for a couple of nights, middle of
867
00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:19.119
the week. Um, it was around the 4th of July again. Um, and, uh,
868
00:47:19.900 --> 00:47:21.800
this was, this was really odd. And I still, I
869
00:47:21.820 --> 00:47:26.380
don't know. It still bothers me. Um, I was, it
870
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:34.039
was probably two in the morning, maybe. somewhere around that time, one, two. Everything,
871
00:47:34.059 --> 00:47:36.840
I think it was right after the 4th of July, because,
872
00:47:36.860 --> 00:47:39.719
you know, everybody had done fireworks and all that stuff,
873
00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:44.340
and I don't know. But I remember I looked out
874
00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:48.119
my back window, my back door, because I've got two
875
00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:52.570
big doors that are just glass. And I've got about
876
00:47:52.610 --> 00:47:55.250
five acres out there that goes back into some woods.
877
00:47:55.309 --> 00:47:57.010
It's just a big open field thing that goes back
878
00:47:57.030 --> 00:48:01.550
to the woods. only a couple of trees. There are
879
00:48:01.570 --> 00:48:06.070
some houses on the sides, um, but the backs of
880
00:48:06.090 --> 00:48:11.719
the houses and whatnot, um, down probably almost to the
881
00:48:11.860 --> 00:48:17.340
end of my yard, um, right into my neighbor's property.
882
00:48:18.699 --> 00:48:21.880
I saw these images of these, uh, some P it
883
00:48:21.900 --> 00:48:25.139
was like people that were just, I want to say
884
00:48:25.159 --> 00:48:27.389
they were almost, it was like a bunch of people
885
00:48:27.449 --> 00:48:32.900
gathered around, uh, uh, a fire or something. And they
886
00:48:32.940 --> 00:48:36.039
were dancing around it just out there. And I'm thinking, okay,
887
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:38.679
what the hell is this? You know, we're doing the morning.
888
00:48:38.699 --> 00:48:41.440
What's going on in my neighborhood? What that's new people
889
00:48:41.500 --> 00:48:45.420
move in shortly before that. And I'm thinking, okay, what's,
890
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:51.000
what's going on with this group. But I noticed really
891
00:48:51.099 --> 00:48:57.570
quick that they, as they were circling this, I want
892
00:48:57.590 --> 00:48:59.829
to say a fire, but there was no light really
893
00:48:59.869 --> 00:49:02.929
coming from the center. They were illuminated in almost like
894
00:49:03.079 --> 00:49:08.119
a fog-like way. But they were going in a clockwise
895
00:49:08.219 --> 00:49:13.159
direction around this center section. And as they would, I
896
00:49:13.510 --> 00:49:15.030
would see them on the left of it. And as
897
00:49:15.070 --> 00:49:19.230
they would go around, they would literally go into like
898
00:49:19.269 --> 00:49:25.639
an outbuilding. and through it um they weren't avoiding it
899
00:49:25.780 --> 00:49:29.679
they would disappear and then come out the other side
900
00:49:29.739 --> 00:49:32.960
now i'm looking at this thing going i'm what the
901
00:49:33.099 --> 00:49:34.760
what the hell am i seeing you know i'm i
902
00:49:34.860 --> 00:49:39.019
i need to check this out so i go outside
903
00:49:39.460 --> 00:49:41.750
You know, I quietly kind of open the door and
904
00:49:42.429 --> 00:49:44.170
go out and kind of go around my I've got
905
00:49:44.190 --> 00:49:45.849
a big pool out there. I kind of go around
906
00:49:45.929 --> 00:49:49.909
the pool and get to I've got a building out there.
907
00:49:49.929 --> 00:49:53.880
It's also the man cave. I get to the side
908
00:49:53.900 --> 00:49:56.460
of that and I'm watching it and it's just they're
909
00:49:56.539 --> 00:49:59.219
still continuing. They're just going on. I'm not hearing a thing.
910
00:49:59.539 --> 00:50:03.309
Absolutely nothing. So I stepped out from the house a
911
00:50:03.349 --> 00:50:06.230
little bit from the building. got maybe 10 feet out
912
00:50:06.269 --> 00:50:09.170
of the yard. And all of a sudden the group
913
00:50:09.250 --> 00:50:12.760
of them just stopped and then just started coming at
914
00:50:12.780 --> 00:50:16.739
me fast. And I'm telling you what I turned around
915
00:50:16.860 --> 00:50:19.960
and I just ran like hell to the house, got
916
00:50:19.980 --> 00:50:22.719
the house, slammed the door shut, pulled the blinds down
917
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:24.400
and then just went into another room and get away
918
00:50:24.420 --> 00:50:27.280
from the door. Right. 10 minutes after that, I come
919
00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:30.420
back and I'm looking out the door, you know, kind
920
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:31.300
of peeking around.
921
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:33.440
Nothing, nothing.
922
00:50:33.480 --> 00:50:37.389
You know, I, I, I'm not going out. I'm just
923
00:50:37.449 --> 00:50:40.340
looking because it was bad. Whatever. I had a really
924
00:50:40.380 --> 00:50:43.239
bad feeling about whatever this was that was this group
925
00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:49.579
of whatever. Jason, probably 20 minutes after that, I'm going
926
00:50:49.619 --> 00:50:52.090
back and forth, back and forth, the door to the,
927
00:50:52.190 --> 00:50:55.349
you know, in the house. It starts up again. I
928
00:50:55.409 --> 00:50:58.650
see it going on again. Went out a second time.
929
00:50:59.250 --> 00:51:03.960
Same thing happened. I came in the house. that thing
930
00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:06.059
and i did not go back toward the door the
931
00:51:06.099 --> 00:51:07.739
rest of the night i still to this day i
932
00:51:07.780 --> 00:51:09.750
have no idea what was going on i mean i'm
933
00:51:09.789 --> 00:51:13.369
almost picturing some kind of like indian ritual thing or
934
00:51:13.429 --> 00:51:16.389
something but i don't know i don't know but i
935
00:51:16.429 --> 00:51:19.909
know it wasn't good and they they there was definitely
936
00:51:19.929 --> 00:51:22.519
a connection there i mean they they they knew i
937
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:24.340
was there and they did not like it and they
938
00:51:24.380 --> 00:51:28.340
were coming for um that was that was nothing i
939
00:51:28.360 --> 00:51:33.460
mean i just that that was scary They did. They did.
940
00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:38.079
Whatever it was. It was probably six or seven. I
941
00:51:38.099 --> 00:51:39.079
saw six or seven.
942
00:51:40.119 --> 00:51:42.099
Back in the 70s, there was an old Peter Fonda
943
00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:44.539
movie called Race with the Devil, where they were out,
944
00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:46.599
I think it was at a campground or a national
945
00:51:46.639 --> 00:51:49.429
park with an RV, came across a bunch of cultists
946
00:51:49.489 --> 00:51:52.150
doing some sort of ritual, and then got chased. And
947
00:51:52.170 --> 00:51:54.170
that's supposedly based on a true story.
948
00:51:54.250 --> 00:51:54.909
Yeah.
949
00:51:55.070 --> 00:51:55.989
Things like that happen.
950
00:51:57.730 --> 00:52:00.909
Wow. This was... I don't get that kind of feeling, though.
951
00:52:00.949 --> 00:52:02.730
I mean, I don't think it was... If it was cultists,
952
00:52:03.170 --> 00:52:06.429
it was from way back. I mean, they were... They
953
00:52:06.469 --> 00:52:11.199
weren't solid. It wasn't like a... You know, I could
954
00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:13.360
tell that it was almost... At first, I wasn't even
955
00:52:13.420 --> 00:52:15.860
sure I was seeing it. I mean, it's just like, okay,
956
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:19.780
my eyes aren't that great. But, you know, is it
957
00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:22.099
a projection of something? Is somebody watching a movie out
958
00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:24.619
there or something and, like, showing, you know, on the
959
00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:27.070
side of one of the buildings or something? It was.
960
00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:32.260
They weren't corporal. Let's put it that way. You could
961
00:52:32.300 --> 00:52:38.329
tell there was a misty quality about them. But yeah,
962
00:52:38.469 --> 00:52:42.050
I did not want that interaction. They were not happy.
963
00:52:42.210 --> 00:52:43.949
I know that. I could feel that.
964
00:52:45.250 --> 00:52:48.719
And you mentioned going through the outbuilding. That's a hint
965
00:52:48.760 --> 00:52:52.599
that they weren't corporal, that they were some sort of
966
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:53.820
etheric entity.
967
00:52:56.239 --> 00:52:59.519
Yeah. There's a lot of weird stuff around here. I
968
00:52:59.559 --> 00:53:02.880
live right next door to an old... It was an
969
00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:05.840
old school that was abandoned. It was kind of refurbished,
970
00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:08.969
restored into a house years ago, but then hadn't been
971
00:53:08.989 --> 00:53:11.809
lived in. It sat there abandoned for probably 30 years.
972
00:53:12.809 --> 00:53:14.650
There's a lot of weird stuff over there, too. I
973
00:53:15.449 --> 00:53:18.969
used to see a little girl. The whole place was
974
00:53:19.010 --> 00:53:22.949
surrounded by really tall pine trees. You almost couldn't see
975
00:53:22.989 --> 00:53:25.090
it from my house. You could see it from the road.
976
00:53:26.869 --> 00:53:29.739
And we'd always... we'd always see things going on over there.
977
00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:31.739
I mean, we'd kind of, you could kind of look
978
00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:37.230
certain times that you could see to the house. It
979
00:53:37.250 --> 00:53:39.730
was always a weird thing that one, one summer I
980
00:53:39.730 --> 00:53:42.449
remember seeing this really odd. It was almost like a
981
00:53:42.489 --> 00:53:46.230
recording of you could at night, certain time of night,
982
00:53:46.250 --> 00:53:48.840
you could look in through the trees into this window
983
00:53:48.860 --> 00:53:52.940
and you would see someone coming down some stairs. They'd
984
00:53:52.980 --> 00:53:55.539
turn around and then they run back up the stairs,
985
00:53:55.599 --> 00:53:58.469
but there's no stairs there. There was no stairs in
986
00:53:58.510 --> 00:54:01.690
that room, but it just, it continued. It would just
987
00:54:01.710 --> 00:54:07.000
go on and on and on for hours. I remember
988
00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:09.260
my son out there who was pretty young at the
989
00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:11.000
time and had him watching it with him. I'm like,
990
00:54:11.039 --> 00:54:13.639
do you see that? He goes, yeah. Somebody's probably watching
991
00:54:13.659 --> 00:54:16.090
tea or something. My son, there's nobody, nobody lives there.
992
00:54:16.690 --> 00:54:18.949
You know, there, there, the electricity was on. There was
993
00:54:18.989 --> 00:54:20.869
always electric in that place because certain lights would come
994
00:54:20.949 --> 00:54:25.260
on at certain times. Um, it was odd. I remember going,
995
00:54:25.300 --> 00:54:28.280
I'd spend a lot of hours kind of over nearby,
996
00:54:28.340 --> 00:54:31.579
but during the day there were, there were times I
997
00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:35.320
remember I'd be out mowing the front yard. Um, I'd
998
00:54:35.340 --> 00:54:39.239
be on my ride and there was, I'd see this
999
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:42.079
little girl standing in the, in the bushes, kind of
1000
00:54:42.099 --> 00:54:44.599
in trees, just watching me holding this little teddy bear,
1001
00:54:44.619 --> 00:54:48.530
just kind of watching, wearing this like a yellow dress. Um,
1002
00:54:50.110 --> 00:54:51.869
and I figured it was a kid or something. I
1003
00:54:51.889 --> 00:54:54.530
don't know. You know, and I, well I'd seen her
1004
00:54:54.590 --> 00:54:57.690
quite a few times and then at one point I
1005
00:54:57.710 --> 00:54:59.429
thought well you know I'm going to at least say
1006
00:54:59.489 --> 00:55:02.210
hi you know I mean she's always standing there watching
1007
00:55:02.230 --> 00:55:06.389
me I stopped the mower probably 30 or 40 feet
1008
00:55:06.429 --> 00:55:10.820
away I guess and got off and started walking to
1009
00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:12.179
her and I got within about 10 feet of her
1010
00:55:12.199 --> 00:55:16.579
she just disappeared into the trees didn't move just like
1011
00:55:16.820 --> 00:55:19.280
faded away at that point I knew what I was
1012
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:24.219
looking at but There's been a lot of weird things
1013
00:55:24.260 --> 00:55:27.179
going on over there. Just about two years ago, maybe
1014
00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:29.599
a year, year and a half, some people finally bought
1015
00:55:29.619 --> 00:55:32.039
the place. I know it was the story we got
1016
00:55:32.059 --> 00:55:33.719
because I had talked to neighbors about it and asked
1017
00:55:33.760 --> 00:55:35.780
them about it when we first moved in. They said, no,
1018
00:55:35.820 --> 00:55:39.539
no one's ever lived there. The history that they told
1019
00:55:39.619 --> 00:55:44.360
us was that this pilot had bought it. It had
1020
00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:48.730
recently gotten divorced, I guess. This was back in the 60s,
1021
00:55:48.780 --> 00:55:53.650
maybe the early 70s, and renovated it. had it made up,
1022
00:55:53.889 --> 00:55:56.349
you know, where he was going to live there. Um,
1023
00:55:56.650 --> 00:55:58.269
and he had a girlfriend and they were going to
1024
00:55:58.329 --> 00:56:00.989
move into it. And then he got killed in a
1025
00:56:01.010 --> 00:56:04.989
car wreck, car wreck. Um, and I guess the girlfriend
1026
00:56:05.050 --> 00:56:10.150
inherited the place, but never lived there. Um, so it
1027
00:56:10.190 --> 00:56:13.699
just sat unused for all these years. Then about a
1028
00:56:13.699 --> 00:56:17.320
year or so back, um, she must've passed away because
1029
00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:22.349
the place got sold. Um, And they started doing some renovations. And, man,
1030
00:56:22.650 --> 00:56:24.949
when they did, I'm telling you what, there was all
1031
00:56:24.989 --> 00:56:26.230
kinds of activity going on.
1032
00:56:27.050 --> 00:56:29.550
Yeah, Nicole had reminded me. And a lot of it
1033
00:56:29.590 --> 00:56:31.769
was coming to ask you to tell the story about
1034
00:56:31.809 --> 00:56:34.130
the house that was having renovations. That must be it
1035
00:56:34.309 --> 00:56:35.929
that you're in the middle of right there.
1036
00:56:37.590 --> 00:56:42.210
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. They didn't live there when they were renovating.
1037
00:56:42.230 --> 00:56:44.250
They were redoing it, and they would come work for
1038
00:56:44.269 --> 00:56:46.179
a few hours during the day and then leave. So
1039
00:56:46.570 --> 00:56:48.840
they did that for about three months before anybody finally
1040
00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:52.909
moved in. And activity picked up big time over here.
1041
00:56:54.489 --> 00:56:57.829
You know, they knew there was a connection. I mean,
1042
00:56:57.929 --> 00:57:01.349
I had connected with her and there's a couple other
1043
00:57:01.389 --> 00:57:06.309
things over there. We mutually knew that we existed. Let's
1044
00:57:06.349 --> 00:57:09.510
put it that way. And I don't know if you've
1045
00:57:09.610 --> 00:57:13.920
encountered this or not, but it's been my experience that
1046
00:57:15.139 --> 00:57:20.989
when you run into a cognizant entity, that is not
1047
00:57:21.050 --> 00:57:26.460
just an image that's, you know, a video that's repeating itself.
1048
00:57:26.579 --> 00:57:32.000
It's something that's actually there. When they know that you
1049
00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:36.389
know they're there, they will turn their attention towards you.
1050
00:57:38.030 --> 00:57:42.510
They will continue to try to get your attention or,
1051
00:57:42.530 --> 00:57:48.550
I don't know, just, in some cases, I think they're
1052
00:57:48.610 --> 00:57:52.280
looking for help. And they are. I shouldn't say I
1053
00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:54.340
think they are. I know they are.
1054
00:57:55.059 --> 00:57:57.900
Yeah, there's a reason they're trying to get your attention here.
1055
00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:01.409
We've got some friends that just bought an old house
1056
00:58:01.489 --> 00:58:05.730
in Connecticut. And the day they started renovations, the place
1057
00:58:05.789 --> 00:58:10.750
went nuts. They've got a doorbell that's totally disconnected that rings.
1058
00:58:11.269 --> 00:58:14.429
They've heard knocks at the door. Terry, they captured something
1059
00:58:14.489 --> 00:58:17.969
on their doorbell camera. It looks like a snowstorm outside,
1060
00:58:18.409 --> 00:58:21.380
but there's no wind blowing. It wasn't raining that night.
1061
00:58:21.400 --> 00:58:24.320
There wasn't leaves. I don't know what it was. I
1062
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:27.619
showed it to a paranormalist friend of mine, Cisco, and
1063
00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:30.539
she said it's energy, that they've opened up some kind
1064
00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:34.019
of energy vortex there, and all these things are coming through.
1065
00:58:34.039 --> 00:58:36.320
They're upset because the house is being messed with.
1066
00:58:39.889 --> 00:58:45.309
Right. Totally believe it. We had some motion detector cameras
1067
00:58:45.369 --> 00:58:47.510
outside our place for a while. I was kind of
1068
00:58:47.829 --> 00:58:51.929
checking on some stuff. and uh it still kills me
1069
00:58:52.010 --> 00:58:54.460
we uh my wife called me at work one night
1070
00:58:54.519 --> 00:58:57.420
was just freaking out about these people that were in
1071
00:58:57.440 --> 00:59:00.159
the yard you know they were around her house there
1072
00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:02.519
was this older couple they were in the backyard they
1073
00:59:02.559 --> 00:59:05.590
were you know all these she'd seen these shots. And
1074
00:59:05.989 --> 00:59:09.559
I got home and pulled them up and started looking
1075
00:59:09.619 --> 00:59:12.719
at them. And they were real faded. It wasn't, there
1076
00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:15.519
was no, these were ghosts. It was clear to me
1077
00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:18.820
that these were ghosts. She's like, no, you know how,
1078
00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:21.780
I figured maybe that it was just taken, you know,
1079
00:59:22.019 --> 00:59:25.239
that it was taking images or pictures every so often.
1080
00:59:25.260 --> 00:59:28.070
So it only caught them, you know, small images of them.
1081
00:59:28.150 --> 00:59:31.050
And I'm like, no, that's not how it works. okay
1082
00:59:31.670 --> 00:59:41.150
give me a second here um but uh to my
1083
00:59:41.429 --> 00:59:46.329
great horror and dismay um we had uh we lost
1084
00:59:46.510 --> 00:59:48.869
pictures we had there was probably a dozen of them
1085
00:59:49.150 --> 00:59:53.070
really good ones um and uh they were we didn't
1086
00:59:53.150 --> 00:59:55.710
save them they were on whatever cloud this was with
1087
00:59:55.730 --> 00:59:59.530
the service we were using and uh like a week
1088
00:59:59.590 --> 01:00:02.070
later if we didn't say when they were gone and
1089
01:00:02.429 --> 01:00:07.440
they went it's still i still god it still still
1090
01:00:07.460 --> 01:00:09.679
bothers me a lot that we don't have those but
1091
01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:12.079
yeah there was an older couple clear as day just
1092
01:00:12.139 --> 01:00:15.110
kind of looking around it had been the yard was
1093
01:00:15.130 --> 01:00:16.909
getting kind of bad i'll have to say that um
1094
01:00:17.130 --> 01:00:19.289
our mower had died and i was i had i
1095
01:00:19.349 --> 01:00:20.949
had hired a service to come in they hadn't been
1096
01:00:20.969 --> 01:00:22.510
there for about two weeks and the yard was getting
1097
01:00:22.530 --> 01:00:25.070
looking really bad and honestly these people were standing out
1098
01:00:25.090 --> 01:00:27.119
in the yard looking at the grass and stuff looking
1099
01:00:27.159 --> 01:00:31.019
like hmm, what's wrong with these people? Why aren't they
1100
01:00:31.059 --> 01:00:34.719
mowing this grass? They looked like they were not happy
1101
01:00:34.739 --> 01:00:39.960
with us. But that was freaky. That was a freaky issue, too.
1102
01:00:41.219 --> 01:00:43.000
We've had all kinds of weird things going on around here.
1103
01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:46.280
There's always something that I'm not going to really go
1104
01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:49.869
into here that has not been good, but it's been
1105
01:00:49.889 --> 01:00:54.449
around for several years. And I think the result of
1106
01:00:56.389 --> 01:01:00.449
we had this old mirror that Chris's mom, my wife's
1107
01:01:00.489 --> 01:01:03.730
mom had given us years back when she passed away.
1108
01:01:04.130 --> 01:01:05.730
And I'm not sure where she got it. It was
1109
01:01:05.769 --> 01:01:09.489
just like a piece of mirror, great big thing. She
1110
01:01:09.510 --> 01:01:12.039
was one of those people that went to all kinds
1111
01:01:12.079 --> 01:01:15.900
of auctions and sales and collected like everything in the world.
1112
01:01:17.420 --> 01:01:20.659
But we had one night, it was on a weekend.
1113
01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:24.119
I had spent the night out in the man cave
1114
01:01:24.170 --> 01:01:25.570
kind of doing some stuff and she came out and
1115
01:01:25.590 --> 01:01:28.269
spent the night. night out there when we came in
1116
01:01:28.289 --> 01:01:31.230
the next morning and that mirror was just all over
1117
01:01:31.250 --> 01:01:34.250
the floor, just completely shattered into just a million pieces.
1118
01:01:34.269 --> 01:01:36.389
I don't know if the cats knocked it off or what,
1119
01:01:36.469 --> 01:01:41.460
but as soon as that happened, things geared up in
1120
01:01:41.500 --> 01:01:45.300
this house and not in a good way. And it's,
1121
01:01:45.579 --> 01:01:48.159
it's subsided quite a bit over the last few years.
1122
01:01:48.800 --> 01:01:51.820
I've kind of learned how to deal with it. I
1123
01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:56.489
will say take its power, but it's, it's still here.
1124
01:01:57.119 --> 01:02:00.559
And I've tried everything in the world to get this
1125
01:02:00.619 --> 01:02:07.599
thing gone, and it's not leaving. It's not so bad
1126
01:02:07.659 --> 01:02:09.440
right now, though. As I say, I've learned how to...
1127
01:02:10.639 --> 01:02:14.570
I think I've learned how to deal with it. It's
1128
01:02:14.630 --> 01:02:17.789
not been an issue for quite a while. But it
1129
01:02:18.150 --> 01:02:19.610
caused all kinds of damage.
1130
01:02:19.630 --> 01:02:21.869
I have a check there. It sounds like maybe sage
1131
01:02:21.909 --> 01:02:25.030
or smudge. I lived in a place one time where
1132
01:02:25.809 --> 01:02:28.679
there was... words like bubbling up out of the paint
1133
01:02:29.239 --> 01:02:32.239
in the bathroom and uh i put uh at a
1134
01:02:32.539 --> 01:02:36.929
pastor's recommendation i put uh the bible on a laptop
1135
01:02:37.030 --> 01:02:39.570
and set that in there and let that play 24
1136
01:02:39.570 --> 01:02:42.869
hours a day and that seemed to quieten down fighting
1137
01:02:42.889 --> 01:02:45.650
it down whatever it was but that was a weird
1138
01:02:45.710 --> 01:02:49.190
place was an old house in uh portland and uh
1139
01:02:49.349 --> 01:02:51.710
probably from the late 1800s early 19 i tried to.
1140
01:02:55.300 --> 01:02:59.039
I've tried to sage, smudge. I've went around the property,
1141
01:02:59.099 --> 01:03:02.679
the house. I've tried all that stuff. There was one
1142
01:03:02.739 --> 01:03:05.809
particular time that really got me. This was when it
1143
01:03:05.829 --> 01:03:10.309
was going really strong. I'd come home from work, and
1144
01:03:11.070 --> 01:03:13.389
my son had went to school. My wife headed off
1145
01:03:13.409 --> 01:03:17.829
to work, so I was alone in the house. I
1146
01:03:17.869 --> 01:03:21.269
went into the bathroom, got in the shower. taking a shower,
1147
01:03:21.289 --> 01:03:23.190
you know, I've got like a, one of those glass
1148
01:03:23.329 --> 01:03:26.750
crystal lights kind of sliding doors that, you know, you
1149
01:03:26.769 --> 01:03:29.329
can't see through real well, but you can see through.
1150
01:03:31.750 --> 01:03:36.679
I was washing my hair, rinsed my face off, opened
1151
01:03:36.739 --> 01:03:40.460
my eyes, started to turn around and there was clear
1152
01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:42.980
as a bell, this woman standing right on the other
1153
01:03:43.019 --> 01:03:45.960
side of the glass, staring right at me. And let
1154
01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:48.719
me tell you, I screamed like a little girl. I
1155
01:03:48.760 --> 01:03:51.280
probably jumped two feet in the air, let out a scream,
1156
01:03:51.760 --> 01:03:54.300
threw my head back under the water, washed the rest
1157
01:03:54.320 --> 01:03:55.659
of the soap out of my face, opened my eyes,
1158
01:03:55.679 --> 01:03:56.500
and there was nothing there.
1159
01:03:57.199 --> 01:03:57.679
Oh, man.
1160
01:03:57.820 --> 01:04:04.829
That freaked me out. That really freaked me out. Yeah,
1161
01:04:04.869 --> 01:04:07.730
I don't like those, like, hello, you know, turn around
1162
01:04:07.750 --> 01:04:09.929
the corner and there's something, or you go into the
1163
01:04:09.969 --> 01:04:12.730
bathroom in the middle of the night and look up
1164
01:04:12.849 --> 01:04:15.949
and there's something behind you in the mirror. That's not fun.
1165
01:04:16.070 --> 01:04:23.119
That's never fun. I don't know. As I say, it
1166
01:04:23.159 --> 01:04:29.260
hasn't been so bad lately. It's hard to do, but
1167
01:04:30.409 --> 01:04:36.090
I have to say, they draw their power by you
1168
01:04:36.170 --> 01:04:41.889
and your emotions. Your emotions are definitely an energy drain
1169
01:04:42.010 --> 01:04:46.820
for them that they pull from it. The more you
1170
01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:53.429
can ignore it, or step away from it and not
1171
01:04:54.239 --> 01:04:59.860
get emotionally involved with what's happening less power they have
1172
01:05:01.659 --> 01:05:04.559
i firmly believe that that's that's probably been my saving
1173
01:05:04.599 --> 01:05:05.320
grace here.
1174
01:05:05.940 --> 01:05:08.400
Yeah and fear is such a base human emotions and
1175
01:05:08.460 --> 01:05:10.559
i i think they feed off that that's why they
1176
01:05:11.099 --> 01:05:14.000
they try to scare you there's a clive barker story
1177
01:05:14.019 --> 01:05:15.599
it's in books of blood i think it's called the
1178
01:05:15.639 --> 01:05:18.590
demon and uh It was a fictional story, but he
1179
01:05:18.630 --> 01:05:21.780
talked about an infestation where this thing tried every way
1180
01:05:21.820 --> 01:05:25.119
in the world to bedevil this guy and get his
1181
01:05:25.159 --> 01:05:27.960
attention and stuff, and he just ignored it. And that
1182
01:05:28.019 --> 01:05:29.119
drove the demon crazy.
1183
01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:39.590
Yeah, that's pretty much my philosophy or my workings of it.
1184
01:05:40.289 --> 01:05:42.349
Sometimes I'll be sitting here at night on my days off.
1185
01:05:42.389 --> 01:05:44.469
I'll be watching a movie at night, and I'll see...
1186
01:05:45.769 --> 01:05:48.969
See her clear as a bell, walk by the doorway,
1187
01:05:49.110 --> 01:05:53.059
you know, the open hallway. And I just, I see
1188
01:05:53.119 --> 01:05:54.219
it out of the corner of my eye and that's
1189
01:05:54.239 --> 01:05:57.699
where it stays. I'll just sit there and start reciting
1190
01:05:57.739 --> 01:06:00.659
something in my head or, you know, playing some music
1191
01:06:00.900 --> 01:06:04.980
or doing something and just totally, completely ignore it. And
1192
01:06:05.179 --> 01:06:09.449
it seems to fade quickly. I've got a few cats
1193
01:06:09.489 --> 01:06:12.170
around the house too, and they're really good at letting
1194
01:06:12.190 --> 01:06:15.550
you know when something's up. you know, as well as
1195
01:06:15.880 --> 01:06:20.780
you feeling that energy that's starting, the electrical charge, letting
1196
01:06:20.800 --> 01:06:22.940
you know something's there. The cats are really good at
1197
01:06:22.960 --> 01:06:27.440
letting you know there's something coming, you know. They'll come
1198
01:06:27.480 --> 01:06:30.360
over and start, you know, almost like protecting you, like,
1199
01:06:30.679 --> 01:06:33.730
you know, walking around your feet, jumping up in your lap,
1200
01:06:33.769 --> 01:06:38.250
kind of looking off in certain directions, and you know
1201
01:06:38.289 --> 01:06:43.949
something's there. Yeah, they're good. They're good little watchdogs.
1202
01:06:44.269 --> 01:06:48.010
Yeah, they are. I've seen that before where they're watching
1203
01:06:48.050 --> 01:06:51.429
something that you can't see, but there's definitely something going
1204
01:06:51.550 --> 01:06:55.929
on that they're tuned into. And I've had experiences with
1205
01:06:56.090 --> 01:06:58.760
animals that have passed on. I went and spent a
1206
01:06:59.119 --> 01:07:01.780
night with a friend of mine one time and slept
1207
01:07:01.840 --> 01:07:04.960
in a spare bedroom. And I felt a cat come in,
1208
01:07:05.039 --> 01:07:07.719
hop up on the bed and curl up down at
1209
01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:10.380
my feet. And the next morning I got up, he
1210
01:07:10.420 --> 01:07:12.659
was cooking breakfast for us. And I said, if you
1211
01:07:12.699 --> 01:07:15.570
were looking for your cat last night, it came in
1212
01:07:15.619 --> 01:07:17.969
the spare room with me and slept in there. And
1213
01:07:17.989 --> 01:07:19.929
he's like, Steve, he said, that cat's been dead for
1214
01:07:19.969 --> 01:07:22.829
three years. He said, but I feel the same thing.
1215
01:07:22.869 --> 01:07:24.829
He said, I feel it purr. I feel it get
1216
01:07:24.889 --> 01:07:27.070
on the bed. I feel it brush up against my
1217
01:07:27.110 --> 01:07:29.250
leg in the darkness. He said, there is no cat
1218
01:07:29.289 --> 01:07:34.610
here anymore, at least not in its actual form. You
1219
01:07:34.670 --> 01:07:37.090
ever had any experience with an animal ghost?
1220
01:07:37.340 --> 01:07:40.900
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, exactly that. I've lost a lot
1221
01:07:40.920 --> 01:07:45.039
of cats through the years um here and in some
1222
01:07:45.079 --> 01:07:47.300
other spots and there there's definitely a couple of them
1223
01:07:47.380 --> 01:07:50.760
roaming around here i'll get that exact same sensation i'll
1224
01:07:50.780 --> 01:07:53.699
be you know walking through the house at night or
1225
01:07:54.440 --> 01:07:56.239
anytime during the day i'll be sitting there all of
1226
01:07:56.260 --> 01:07:57.719
a sudden i'll feel one of them you know kind
1227
01:07:57.739 --> 01:08:00.440
of brush against my ankles or something i'll reach down
1228
01:08:00.460 --> 01:08:02.300
to pet thinking it's one and i'm thinking it's one
1229
01:08:02.320 --> 01:08:03.739
of the the few that i have here and there's
1230
01:08:03.780 --> 01:08:06.710
nothing there i look over and my cats are sleeping
1231
01:08:06.769 --> 01:08:09.469
on the sofa over there or something and it's like
1232
01:08:09.590 --> 01:08:13.320
okay And on the bed at night, too. You'll feel
1233
01:08:13.340 --> 01:08:17.050
them sometimes. You'll be laying there and you'll feel them
1234
01:08:17.090 --> 01:08:20.569
jump up and then just curl up and even actually
1235
01:08:20.609 --> 01:08:24.890
hear the purr. I've heard that purr before. And no,
1236
01:08:24.949 --> 01:08:30.619
there's nothing there. There's nothing physical. They don't want to leave.
1237
01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:34.300
They're your family. They love you and you love them
1238
01:08:34.340 --> 01:08:37.550
and they're there for you. They stick around.
1239
01:08:39.000 --> 01:08:41.680
Now, there's a couple other stories of yours that I
1240
01:08:41.720 --> 01:08:45.520
have narrated that have gotten just a tremendous response. And
1241
01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:47.720
not only is it the tale, but the way it's written.
1242
01:08:47.739 --> 01:08:50.229
You're a fantastic writer. And speaking of, you and I
1243
01:08:50.239 --> 01:08:52.350
are going to be doing a book together here shortly.
1244
01:08:52.369 --> 01:08:55.729
I'm looking forward to that collaboration. But uh one of
1245
01:08:55.750 --> 01:09:00.300
the most popular stories ever as am i 13 past
1246
01:09:00.359 --> 01:09:04.119
midnight is uh the story of jimmy you want to
1247
01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:07.020
touch on that one just briefly for our radio audience here.
1248
01:09:09.539 --> 01:09:11.199
Yeah i'd be i'd be happy to and thank you
1249
01:09:11.220 --> 01:09:14.100
for those kind words i i appreciate that i uh
1250
01:09:14.359 --> 01:09:18.229
um well when i write i really try to it's
1251
01:09:18.350 --> 01:09:23.579
it's almost like i'm I try to, I really try
1252
01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:29.199
to remember everything that happened in every moment of those encounters.
1253
01:09:30.539 --> 01:09:32.560
And it's almost like painting a picture. I want to,
1254
01:09:32.779 --> 01:09:35.460
I want to lay everything out and let you see the,
1255
01:09:36.479 --> 01:09:40.770
the surrounding area and what's, you know, what I want
1256
01:09:40.789 --> 01:09:43.310
you to put, put you in my spot. And I
1257
01:09:43.590 --> 01:09:47.170
try my best to do that. And it's easy to
1258
01:09:47.210 --> 01:09:52.729
do to a point. Cause I had, Those encounters, they
1259
01:09:52.810 --> 01:09:56.489
stay with you. Everything is so clear. I mean, you
1260
01:09:56.529 --> 01:10:00.310
can remember everything from what you had for lunch to
1261
01:10:00.409 --> 01:10:03.829
the feeling in the air, the color of the leaves,
1262
01:10:04.029 --> 01:10:11.640
everything around you. Jimmy was a special guy. When I
1263
01:10:11.659 --> 01:10:15.100
was real young, I was just out of high school,
1264
01:10:15.619 --> 01:10:18.399
I started working for this photo lab down in Cincinnati.
1265
01:10:19.090 --> 01:10:21.430
And I was doing everything for them, but mainly running
1266
01:10:21.449 --> 01:10:27.630
deliveries at first. We had a lot of commercial accounts downtown,
1267
01:10:27.789 --> 01:10:32.289
so I was always running downtown. We were out of
1268
01:10:32.329 --> 01:10:35.930
Walnut Hills, so maybe five miles out of town. But
1269
01:10:36.250 --> 01:10:39.130
I'd be running downtown two, three times a day. Well,
1270
01:10:39.149 --> 01:10:41.750
there was one old building on Fifth Street that I
1271
01:10:41.810 --> 01:10:47.189
used to go to. And I remember going in. First
1272
01:10:47.229 --> 01:10:50.960
time I went in, there was... When I walked in
1273
01:10:51.020 --> 01:10:53.380
the bottom and went down there and there was, there
1274
01:10:53.399 --> 01:10:56.390
was an old elevator, one of the old hands operated elevators.
1275
01:10:56.630 --> 01:10:59.430
And I'd experienced those before. There was one over on
1276
01:10:59.770 --> 01:11:01.329
the other side of town that I dealt with that
1277
01:11:01.810 --> 01:11:02.829
you just walked in and you had to run it
1278
01:11:02.890 --> 01:11:06.430
by yourself, which was kind of fun, actually. You know,
1279
01:11:06.449 --> 01:11:08.170
you try to get that, you'd start it and pull
1280
01:11:08.189 --> 01:11:10.699
the lever down and it would go up and, you know,
1281
01:11:10.920 --> 01:11:13.739
pull it back and it would stop and back and forth,
1282
01:11:13.779 --> 01:11:15.439
back and forth until I finally got it to a
1283
01:11:15.460 --> 01:11:17.920
point I could step out of it. But this one, um,
1284
01:11:19.989 --> 01:11:23.810
had an operator there was this old guy and his
1285
01:11:23.850 --> 01:11:26.750
name was jimmy and he had been in that place
1286
01:11:26.989 --> 01:11:30.189
for many many years um he started working there as
1287
01:11:30.260 --> 01:11:33.800
a kid back in maybe the 30s i guess um
1288
01:11:34.840 --> 01:11:36.159
and he was an old man at this point but
1289
01:11:36.699 --> 01:11:40.199
big jovial nice guy the elevator it was it was
1290
01:11:41.100 --> 01:11:42.819
it was open in the front except for like a
1291
01:11:42.840 --> 01:11:47.789
half door um it was like a red crushed velvet
1292
01:11:48.250 --> 01:11:52.069
everywhere in in this elevator but you almost couldn't see
1293
01:11:52.149 --> 01:11:56.640
the the the walls because of everything that was in
1294
01:11:56.680 --> 01:12:01.119
there jimmy had it was like his personal shrine he
1295
01:12:01.159 --> 01:12:04.739
had collected you know he had photographs and pins and
1296
01:12:04.819 --> 01:12:09.750
buttons and ribbons and and everything in the world you
1297
01:12:09.770 --> 01:12:13.689
could imagine just into the walls ceiling everything in that
1298
01:12:13.869 --> 01:12:19.079
in there it was it was amazing the walked into
1299
01:12:19.119 --> 01:12:23.039
that thing and uh walked in introduced himself told me
1300
01:12:23.060 --> 01:12:24.279
who he was and asked me where i needed to
1301
01:12:24.340 --> 01:12:25.640
go and i said you know i need to go
1302
01:12:25.659 --> 01:12:29.020
up to the fifth floor um he invited me in
1303
01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:31.880
started talking to me and started showing me some of
1304
01:12:31.920 --> 01:12:35.619
the things in in his uh in his elevator or
1305
01:12:35.640 --> 01:12:39.359
in his little world um just the nicest guy he'd
1306
01:12:39.399 --> 01:12:42.350
ever wanted me and you know we'd get up to
1307
01:12:42.390 --> 01:12:45.149
fifth floor he'd open the door for me and tell
1308
01:12:45.189 --> 01:12:46.989
me showed me where to go and i'd head down
1309
01:12:47.010 --> 01:12:51.810
there um, do my business, you know, hand off my stuff,
1310
01:12:51.890 --> 01:12:54.810
come back and, and have another conversation with Demi on
1311
01:12:54.829 --> 01:12:56.710
the way down. And, and I just really liked him.
1312
01:12:56.810 --> 01:13:02.500
He was just a really, really nice personable guy, jovial individual. Um,
1313
01:13:04.380 --> 01:13:07.020
through the, the, the year. So when I was down there, he,
1314
01:13:07.060 --> 01:13:10.140
you know, I'd come back every other week. So, and, um,
1315
01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:13.039
you know, he would always regale me with, with stories
1316
01:13:13.119 --> 01:13:15.869
about the things in his elevator. Um, I remember he
1317
01:13:15.890 --> 01:13:17.880
had a picture of him with, uh, One of the
1318
01:13:17.939 --> 01:13:20.560
Reds pitchers. Gosh, the name escapes me right now. But
1319
01:13:20.659 --> 01:13:26.659
he had thrown back-to-back no-hitters for the Reds. Maloney, I think,
1320
01:13:26.720 --> 01:13:27.199
or Holmes.
1321
01:13:27.619 --> 01:13:27.960
I don't know.
1322
01:13:28.439 --> 01:13:31.810
It's been a while. But it was a picture of
1323
01:13:31.850 --> 01:13:33.590
Jimmy and Younger standing with him.
1324
01:13:33.649 --> 01:13:34.529
And, you know, it was signed.
1325
01:13:34.569 --> 01:13:37.010
And he was telling me all about that. He had
1326
01:13:37.050 --> 01:13:40.489
other pictures of him with Pete Rose and, you know,
1327
01:13:40.529 --> 01:13:44.699
Johnny Bench and just other people. And he loved his Reds.
1328
01:13:45.930 --> 01:13:47.640
We'll have all kinds of red stuff in there. He
1329
01:13:47.659 --> 01:13:50.760
was a big red swing. Um, as I was too,
1330
01:13:51.079 --> 01:13:55.159
and still am. Um, but he was very proud of
1331
01:13:55.199 --> 01:13:58.689
everything in there. Um, I remember he had to hate
1332
01:13:58.699 --> 01:14:00.270
one of the things he had a picture of, of
1333
01:14:00.329 --> 01:14:02.609
him at one of the, at the world fair in Chicago.
1334
01:14:02.649 --> 01:14:06.369
And I forget the year, but, um, I remember the
1335
01:14:06.409 --> 01:14:09.770
picture was like a big tire. It looked like great big,
1336
01:14:09.800 --> 01:14:11.399
like good year tire or something, but it was a
1337
01:14:11.420 --> 01:14:14.220
Ferris wheel. Um, And he told me he got to
1338
01:14:14.260 --> 01:14:16.039
ride on that. And it was really cool. It was
1339
01:14:16.060 --> 01:14:23.770
like a postcard. Anyway, so got to know him. He
1340
01:14:23.810 --> 01:14:26.270
would drop me off. Every time I would get up
1341
01:14:27.329 --> 01:14:28.989
on the fifth floor, I'd go out the door. I'd
1342
01:14:29.010 --> 01:14:32.010
go out the elevator and turn left and head down
1343
01:14:32.149 --> 01:14:37.489
toward what was a big, there's a huge glass window
1344
01:14:37.510 --> 01:14:41.010
at the end of the hallway with a little bench
1345
01:14:41.029 --> 01:14:44.699
and an old radiator there. Well, the door I went
1346
01:14:44.739 --> 01:14:48.079
to was on the left, right before you got to
1347
01:14:48.100 --> 01:14:52.090
the window, probably 10 feet away from it. And every
1348
01:14:52.119 --> 01:14:54.750
time I'd hit in the hallway, Jimmy would say, he
1349
01:14:54.789 --> 01:14:56.949
had told me, he said, you know, be careful when
1350
01:14:56.970 --> 01:14:59.449
you go down there, stay away from the window. And
1351
01:15:01.250 --> 01:15:02.829
he'd say, it's not safe.
1352
01:15:04.310 --> 01:15:04.609
Okay.
1353
01:15:04.970 --> 01:15:06.850
You know, so I'd go down, I'd go into the
1354
01:15:07.979 --> 01:15:10.840
office and do my thing and come out, head back
1355
01:15:10.859 --> 01:15:14.710
down and, you know, and down we'd go. Over the
1356
01:15:15.710 --> 01:15:18.489
months and year, we got to know each other and
1357
01:15:18.529 --> 01:15:21.529
have discussions. Every single time I'd walk out of that
1358
01:15:21.569 --> 01:15:25.060
elevator on the fifth floor, he would say, stay away
1359
01:15:25.079 --> 01:15:25.659
from that window.
1360
01:15:26.319 --> 01:15:27.039
It's not safe.
1361
01:15:29.260 --> 01:15:32.920
Well, there was one particular day down there. It was
1362
01:15:32.960 --> 01:15:38.380
late in the afternoon. Raining, torrential rain coming down. And
1363
01:15:39.140 --> 01:15:41.500
finding a place to park in Cincinnati is not easy sometimes,
1364
01:15:41.579 --> 01:15:43.699
especially during the day. You got to park blocks and
1365
01:15:43.739 --> 01:15:44.199
blocks away.
1366
01:15:44.220 --> 01:15:44.579
You have to.
1367
01:15:44.560 --> 01:15:48.619
Drive around in circles trying to find a spot where
1368
01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:50.039
you can just pull in and park real quick and
1369
01:15:50.060 --> 01:15:52.670
then just run to where you need to go. So
1370
01:15:52.689 --> 01:15:54.390
I ended up parking a couple blocks away, I think,
1371
01:15:54.430 --> 01:15:56.670
and I took off and ran through the rain, got
1372
01:15:56.689 --> 01:15:59.550
through the rain and ducked underneath all the awnings as
1373
01:15:59.590 --> 01:16:04.239
I could and got to the building and went in.
1374
01:16:06.069 --> 01:16:08.689
and Jimmy was there and, uh, you know, said hello.
1375
01:16:09.029 --> 01:16:11.069
And as you went into the elevator, it was actually,
1376
01:16:11.390 --> 01:16:15.609
it was like a snack bar behind you. Um, that
1377
01:16:15.789 --> 01:16:19.189
where they sold, you know, cigarettes and candy and whatever. Um,
1378
01:16:19.550 --> 01:16:23.409
it was like a, a big high bar. Um, and
1379
01:16:23.430 --> 01:16:25.869
there was occasionally there was a guy standing back there,
1380
01:16:25.890 --> 01:16:29.090
but I never really got to know him at the time. Um,
1381
01:16:29.989 --> 01:16:32.350
cause I was in and out. Jimmy was like the
1382
01:16:32.369 --> 01:16:36.189
only one I really talked to. Um, Anyway, I went
1383
01:16:36.250 --> 01:16:39.569
down there and got in the elevator and said hi
1384
01:16:39.609 --> 01:16:45.229
to Jimmy. You know, water, I'm soaking wet. He just automatically,
1385
01:16:45.250 --> 01:16:46.989
you know, shuts the door and brings me up to
1386
01:16:47.029 --> 01:16:48.670
the fifth floor. He knows where I need to go.
1387
01:16:49.750 --> 01:16:52.489
Asking me how I was. And he would always wait
1388
01:16:52.529 --> 01:16:55.350
for me as we would get out. You know, I'd
1389
01:16:55.369 --> 01:16:56.670
get out of the elevator and head down there and
1390
01:16:56.689 --> 01:16:58.390
he would just wait there for me to get my
1391
01:16:58.689 --> 01:17:03.329
business done and come back and only take a minute. Well,
1392
01:17:03.430 --> 01:17:06.909
on that day, we got to the top and I
1393
01:17:07.229 --> 01:17:09.970
stepped out and there was another, a ding, like a,
1394
01:17:10.760 --> 01:17:13.340
you know, from the elevator that went off and Jimmy
1395
01:17:13.380 --> 01:17:15.840
stepped back in and kind of looked up at something.
1396
01:17:15.859 --> 01:17:21.409
There were like buttons on the, the elevator inside. Um,
1397
01:17:21.909 --> 01:17:23.270
and he said, Oh, I've got to go. He said,
1398
01:17:23.289 --> 01:17:27.350
that's somebody, somebody else needing, needing me. I'll be right back.
1399
01:17:27.850 --> 01:17:31.579
So he got in and closed the door and took off. And, uh,
1400
01:17:33.140 --> 01:17:35.279
wow i'm getting chills on the back of my head
1401
01:17:35.359 --> 01:17:40.260
about this um i went down went in and got
1402
01:17:40.300 --> 01:17:42.600
rid of my you know package and i came out
1403
01:17:42.659 --> 01:17:44.970
and jimmy still wasn't there so i was kind of
1404
01:17:44.989 --> 01:17:49.590
hanging out and went i walked over toward the window
1405
01:17:49.670 --> 01:17:54.369
kind of carefully because i know it wasn't safe um
1406
01:17:55.460 --> 01:17:57.359
I got there and there was like, you know, there
1407
01:17:57.380 --> 01:18:00.359
was one of the big old radiator, you know, like
1408
01:18:00.399 --> 01:18:02.439
they used to have to heat things. I don't think
1409
01:18:02.460 --> 01:18:03.800
it was even in use at that point, but it
1410
01:18:03.960 --> 01:18:06.449
was more of a decoration probably, but it was, you know,
1411
01:18:06.489 --> 01:18:09.380
it was still there. Big wooden bench sitting next to it.
1412
01:18:10.029 --> 01:18:14.789
And then this huge glass window. And I kind of
1413
01:18:14.810 --> 01:18:16.609
got up to it and I'm looking out and I'm
1414
01:18:16.649 --> 01:18:19.510
watching the rain and, you know, seeing the city and
1415
01:18:19.569 --> 01:18:23.130
people running around, cars going by down below. Rain was
1416
01:18:23.170 --> 01:18:26.710
just coming down. And I'm looking at this window. I thought,
1417
01:18:27.029 --> 01:18:30.210
you know, I wonder what's not safe about it. It
1418
01:18:30.289 --> 01:18:33.460
seems pretty solid. There's no way to open it. It
1419
01:18:33.500 --> 01:18:38.060
was just solid black, like sealed into the side of
1420
01:18:38.100 --> 01:18:40.109
the wall. Well, I looked down.
1421
01:18:40.100 --> 01:18:42.180
And there was another.
1422
01:18:41.600 --> 01:18:44.409
Hallway that went on down to the right. So I
1423
01:18:44.409 --> 01:18:47.729
kind of walked down that a little ways and looked.
1424
01:18:47.729 --> 01:18:50.670
There was another officer or two down there, but nothing
1425
01:18:50.689 --> 01:18:55.569
going on, no one in the hallway. So I walked
1426
01:18:55.640 --> 01:18:59.119
back up and, again, looked out the window, nothing, you know,
1427
01:18:59.159 --> 01:19:02.279
just raining, and thought to myself, it's kind of weird.
1428
01:19:02.300 --> 01:19:05.380
I wonder why he always says it's not safe. And
1429
01:19:05.399 --> 01:19:12.510
I started to kind of slowly walk back toward the elevator, and... Suddenly,
1430
01:19:12.569 --> 01:19:18.090
there was a bright burst of lightning, followed by a crack,
1431
01:19:18.109 --> 01:19:22.659
a really loud crack. And right after the flash hit,
1432
01:19:23.159 --> 01:19:32.640
I turned around to look toward the window. Wow. Yeah,
1433
01:19:32.930 --> 01:19:37.109
I'm getting the chills. Clear as a bell. I can
1434
01:19:37.130 --> 01:19:40.350
see it now as clearly as I could see it then.
1435
01:19:40.979 --> 01:19:43.819
And it sounds like you're reliving it as you're telling it.
1436
01:19:43.859 --> 01:19:46.439
That's the way I do with some of mine, especially
1437
01:19:46.460 --> 01:19:49.699
my black-eyed kids encounter. I relive that every time I
1438
01:19:49.729 --> 01:19:52.010
tell it. It's almost like PTSD, if you will.
1439
01:19:52.050 --> 01:19:58.590
Oh, yeah. Yeah, it is. I looked down, I turned around,
1440
01:19:58.750 --> 01:20:02.069
and there was a girl standing kind of with her
1441
01:20:02.090 --> 01:20:07.390
knees bent on that bench wearing blue dress, looked like
1442
01:20:07.409 --> 01:20:10.210
an older blue dress, And she looked at me and
1443
01:20:10.329 --> 01:20:14.189
looked me dead in the eye. I mean, we locked eyes.
1444
01:20:14.289 --> 01:20:18.869
And she had this horrible, frightened look on her face.
1445
01:20:20.050 --> 01:20:22.609
And she turned her head and went out that window.
1446
01:20:23.810 --> 01:20:27.069
And I was frozen for maybe a second. And then
1447
01:20:27.130 --> 01:20:30.909
I went running toward it. And when I got to
1448
01:20:30.930 --> 01:20:34.300
the window, I actually threw my head. toward it because
1449
01:20:34.340 --> 01:20:36.279
I wanted I was trying to look out and I
1450
01:20:36.779 --> 01:20:38.260
I didn't have this in the story but I slung
1451
01:20:38.300 --> 01:20:40.340
my head against that glass man it almost knocked me
1452
01:20:40.359 --> 01:20:43.220
I hit it so hard there was no way anybody
1453
01:20:43.239 --> 01:20:45.920
could go through that glass there was no way anybody
1454
01:20:45.939 --> 01:20:49.159
went out that window um it was solid I mean
1455
01:20:49.199 --> 01:20:50.970
it was solid it was like a double pane of
1456
01:20:51.250 --> 01:20:55.130
solid thick glass I I'd said before and and I
1457
01:20:55.189 --> 01:20:57.409
still think if I had had a cinder block I
1458
01:20:57.449 --> 01:20:59.729
could have thrown it at that window and it probably
1459
01:20:59.770 --> 01:21:05.920
wouldn't have broken it and was nothing he wasn't down
1460
01:21:05.960 --> 01:21:10.550
there there was i i have i was just in
1461
01:21:10.630 --> 01:21:13.770
shock complete shock and i was freaking out trying to
1462
01:21:13.789 --> 01:21:15.149
figure out what what do i do what do i
1463
01:21:15.170 --> 01:21:18.449
do where'd she go what happened and about that time
1464
01:21:19.029 --> 01:21:23.050
i heard this ding behind me and before i could
1465
01:21:23.090 --> 01:21:28.149
turn around i heard jimmy running down that hallway i
1466
01:21:28.300 --> 01:21:30.460
i i didn't know a man that big could ever
1467
01:21:30.520 --> 01:21:33.529
move his family next thing I knew he had his
1468
01:21:33.590 --> 01:21:36.369
hand on my shoulder and was pulling me back toward
1469
01:21:36.409 --> 01:21:45.489
that elevator, pulled me into it. And I, I'm just, just,
1470
01:21:45.689 --> 01:21:48.359
I don't remember what exactly, if I said anything at
1471
01:21:48.399 --> 01:21:51.319
that point, but he pulled me back in, shut the door,
1472
01:21:52.600 --> 01:21:54.460
hit the, hit the lever to go toward the bottom.
1473
01:21:54.659 --> 01:21:57.180
And then it started shaking on me, shaking my shoulder
1474
01:21:57.199 --> 01:22:01.340
on Terry. He, or just going, Hey, Hey, Hey, you know? And, uh,
1475
01:22:03.520 --> 01:22:05.970
about halfway down i think he stopped he just stopped
1476
01:22:06.010 --> 01:22:09.050
it in the middle of some floors and it was
1477
01:22:09.109 --> 01:22:11.949
about that time that i came back to my senses
1478
01:22:12.550 --> 01:22:14.390
it was like i suddenly i was just able to
1479
01:22:14.729 --> 01:22:16.789
talk and everything and i started i started telling him
1480
01:22:17.310 --> 01:22:19.409
really fast just what was when there was a girl
1481
01:22:19.770 --> 01:22:22.130
up there somebody jumped out the window i'm just going
1482
01:22:22.149 --> 01:22:24.069
and going and he's going terry terry it's okay it's
1483
01:22:24.090 --> 01:22:28.270
okay terry stop it's okay you're okay i know what
1484
01:22:28.300 --> 01:22:35.619
you saw And I remember him calling me Terry. I
1485
01:22:35.640 --> 01:22:37.460
brought him back to it more than anything else because
1486
01:22:37.479 --> 01:22:39.340
he never called me by name. He always called me kid.
1487
01:22:40.199 --> 01:22:43.359
So he's a kid, you know, see you later, kid. Never,
1488
01:22:43.500 --> 01:22:46.140
ever had he called me by my first name. And that,
1489
01:22:47.060 --> 01:22:49.239
that stopped me. And I looked up at him and
1490
01:22:49.270 --> 01:22:52.590
he goes, I know what you saw. You saw Gladys,
1491
01:22:52.630 --> 01:23:00.180
didn't you? I think I said, like, what? And At
1492
01:23:00.220 --> 01:23:02.319
that point, he kind of, he turned around and there
1493
01:23:02.340 --> 01:23:05.539
was a little bench that was in that elevator with him.
1494
01:23:06.260 --> 01:23:09.239
I guess where, you know, he'd sit down and relax. Well,
1495
01:23:09.380 --> 01:23:12.550
he lifted the lid. He had like a little cushion.
1496
01:23:12.560 --> 01:23:14.850
And he lifted up the lid and he pulled out
1497
01:23:14.869 --> 01:23:20.310
this little book. Little leather book. And he reached inside
1498
01:23:20.350 --> 01:23:23.449
it and he pulled out this picture. And he handed
1499
01:23:23.489 --> 01:23:29.210
it to me. I remember taking, I, ugh. I can
1500
01:23:29.229 --> 01:23:31.420
remember taking it, and it was one of those old
1501
01:23:31.479 --> 01:23:34.079
pictures that had like scalloped edges all the way around it,
1502
01:23:34.140 --> 01:23:36.500
and it was worn out. It was really worn.
1503
01:23:36.539 --> 01:23:37.020
You could tell.
1504
01:23:37.039 --> 01:23:41.229
It was almost hard to see because you could tell
1505
01:23:41.279 --> 01:23:44.130
it had just been handled so much over the years.
1506
01:23:46.649 --> 01:23:48.970
And there was that girl. The girl that I had
1507
01:23:49.029 --> 01:23:52.140
seen go out that window was in that picture, big
1508
01:23:52.180 --> 01:23:57.520
smile on her face, just looking at me. And that
1509
01:23:57.560 --> 01:24:02.279
was when Jimmy told me about Gladys. He told me
1510
01:24:02.319 --> 01:24:08.100
back during World War II, she should be growing and
1511
01:24:08.119 --> 01:24:11.319
working there for a little while. And they'd gotten to
1512
01:24:11.359 --> 01:24:17.979
be pretty good friends. Gladys had recently gotten married. And
1513
01:24:18.100 --> 01:24:22.699
World War II had started and it was in its
1514
01:24:22.800 --> 01:24:26.649
throes for us. Her husband died. I'm not sure at
1515
01:24:26.670 --> 01:24:28.510
this point if he'd gotten drafted or enlisted. I think
1516
01:24:28.529 --> 01:24:35.779
he got drafted and went overseas. Well, there was a
1517
01:24:35.819 --> 01:24:38.340
day when Jimmy was working, and he said it was
1518
01:24:38.380 --> 01:24:41.779
a day very much like that day. It was raining
1519
01:24:41.899 --> 01:24:47.210
and really dark and stormy out. I guess Gladys had
1520
01:24:47.229 --> 01:24:49.829
gotten word either earlier that day or the night before
1521
01:24:49.850 --> 01:24:53.310
that her husband would not be coming home, that he
1522
01:24:53.350 --> 01:24:57.359
had lost his life somewhere. on a battlefield in Europe.
1523
01:24:59.930 --> 01:25:04.069
Sometime during the day, without anyone knowing, I guess she
1524
01:25:04.170 --> 01:25:07.649
had went out into the hallway, went to that window,
1525
01:25:07.689 --> 01:25:09.609
and before anybody could stop her, she jumped out and
1526
01:25:09.630 --> 01:25:13.909
took her own life. I guess she couldn't live with
1527
01:25:13.930 --> 01:25:19.210
the fact that he wouldn't be coming home. As I said,
1528
01:25:19.229 --> 01:25:23.590
Jimmy was working there that day. She hit the pavement.
1529
01:25:25.000 --> 01:25:29.229
didn't die right away I guess they went out and
1530
01:25:29.270 --> 01:25:32.850
they tried to take care of her but before medical
1531
01:25:32.909 --> 01:25:37.810
services could arrive at the time she died there right
1532
01:25:37.829 --> 01:25:45.560
there on the sidewalk it was Jimmy you could I
1533
01:25:45.600 --> 01:25:52.140
could tell it affected Jimmy a lot I really think
1534
01:25:52.180 --> 01:25:54.550
he was he was in love with her to some
1535
01:25:54.569 --> 01:26:01.050
degree um but he said over the years there were
1536
01:26:01.090 --> 01:26:03.689
people seeing exactly that same thing and he had seen
1537
01:26:03.729 --> 01:26:06.529
it he had seen her quite a bit and he
1538
01:26:07.329 --> 01:26:10.109
was okay with that with seeing her not seeing her
1539
01:26:10.130 --> 01:26:17.789
go out the window obviously but yeah that uh that
1540
01:26:17.869 --> 01:26:24.600
that was something that really that hit me um another
1541
01:26:24.659 --> 01:26:28.590
kind of weird thing in there. He, uh, he always, um, well,
1542
01:26:28.600 --> 01:26:31.069
not a weird thing, but a little thing. He always
1543
01:26:32.510 --> 01:26:36.130
would give me, offer me a butterscotch lifesaver when I'd like,
1544
01:26:36.270 --> 01:26:39.109
I'd leave. He'd always go here, you know, have one.
1545
01:26:39.189 --> 01:26:44.180
I'd pop one and say, thanks. You know, um, that
1546
01:26:44.220 --> 01:26:47.060
day we got to the bottom. He, you know, he,
1547
01:26:47.460 --> 01:26:49.739
he told me the story. He put the, put the
1548
01:26:49.760 --> 01:26:53.760
picture back in to its case and back into the chair. And, uh,
1549
01:26:55.010 --> 01:26:57.529
kind of tapped me on the back and said, you'll
1550
01:26:57.550 --> 01:27:00.170
be okay. You're all right, aren't you? And I said, yeah,
1551
01:27:00.670 --> 01:27:03.909
I'm fine. He said, all right. I said, well, he
1552
01:27:04.010 --> 01:27:05.829
started the elevator up and we got to the bottom
1553
01:27:06.989 --> 01:27:11.909
and I started to head out and he stopped me
1554
01:27:12.430 --> 01:27:15.869
and he handed me about a half a roll of
1555
01:27:16.310 --> 01:27:20.170
Butter Scotch Lifesavers. You guys hear? I want to have these.
1556
01:27:20.189 --> 01:27:23.930
I said, thanks. And he goes, they were her favorites too.
1557
01:27:25.479 --> 01:27:30.250
I think I'm starting to tear up here now myself.
1558
01:27:32.409 --> 01:27:35.949
Yeah, I can tell it really affected you. And it's still,
1559
01:27:35.989 --> 01:27:38.569
to this day, not only what you saw, but just
1560
01:27:38.609 --> 01:27:42.390
the relationship you had with Jimmy. What a wonderful memory.
1561
01:27:43.489 --> 01:27:48.500
Yeah. Well, and there was more to it than that.
1562
01:27:49.239 --> 01:27:53.739
You know, I got back to the car. I headed
1563
01:27:53.779 --> 01:27:55.649
back to work. And it was toward the end of
1564
01:27:55.689 --> 01:27:57.649
the day. I went in and I didn't say anything
1565
01:27:57.670 --> 01:28:01.430
to anybody. Um, everybody, there were only a couple of
1566
01:28:01.449 --> 01:28:11.479
people left anyway. Um, over the next few months, um,
1567
01:28:13.500 --> 01:28:15.739
I went down, I kept going back down. Um, didn't
1568
01:28:15.760 --> 01:28:19.439
see her again. Didn't ever have a feeling like she
1569
01:28:19.479 --> 01:28:25.159
was there nearby, but, um, One time when I went down,
1570
01:28:25.199 --> 01:28:27.050
I mentioned something about, there was a place they stopped
1571
01:28:27.060 --> 01:28:30.670
for lunch called Acropolis Chili down in Clifton. And I
1572
01:28:30.729 --> 01:28:33.810
mentioned to Jimmy that, you know, I'd been there. He
1573
01:28:33.890 --> 01:28:36.189
had said something about, oh gosh, he loved those, the
1574
01:28:36.210 --> 01:28:38.710
beef and eggs. He loved the beef and eggs, which
1575
01:28:38.810 --> 01:28:40.670
was my favorite. He said, oh, those are the best
1576
01:28:40.689 --> 01:28:44.319
in the world. Well, after that, every time I knew
1577
01:28:44.359 --> 01:28:45.739
I was going to go down there, I would stop
1578
01:28:45.760 --> 01:28:47.220
at Acropolis and get him a beef and egg and
1579
01:28:47.239 --> 01:28:49.079
a dill pickle. He always liked the dill pickle, too.
1580
01:28:49.560 --> 01:28:50.979
And I brought that to him. And I gave it
1581
01:28:51.000 --> 01:28:54.000
to him the first time. He was just beside himself.
1582
01:28:54.119 --> 01:28:57.020
Tried to pay me for it. And I'm like, nope, nope, nope.
1583
01:28:57.090 --> 01:29:02.140
This is a gift. This is for you. You're my friend. Um,
1584
01:29:03.579 --> 01:29:05.079
so every time after that, when I'd go down, I'd
1585
01:29:05.119 --> 01:29:06.600
do the same thing when I could, you know, if
1586
01:29:06.619 --> 01:29:08.159
I had the cash, I would stop and pick it up,
1587
01:29:08.859 --> 01:29:14.640
bring it to him. Well, probably six months, eight months,
1588
01:29:14.699 --> 01:29:17.920
maybe after that came a day that, you know, I
1589
01:29:17.939 --> 01:29:21.779
hadn't been down there, maybe a couple of weeks, maybe
1590
01:29:21.859 --> 01:29:24.739
a month. Um, and I had a delivery down there.
1591
01:29:25.810 --> 01:29:27.909
I started cropping, let's have the cash, picked up a
1592
01:29:27.930 --> 01:29:32.350
beef and egg, dill pickle and headed down toward, fifth
1593
01:29:32.369 --> 01:29:35.770
street well i went in and went in and suddenly
1594
01:29:35.789 --> 01:29:38.170
went in the door something felt something felt wrong something
1595
01:29:38.189 --> 01:29:43.350
felt different um nobody was in the lobby at all
1596
01:29:43.560 --> 01:29:47.659
which is typical um but i walked down and i
1597
01:29:47.779 --> 01:29:50.680
passed a little snack bar and as i did i
1598
01:29:50.720 --> 01:29:54.560
turned to go into the elevator and i had the
1599
01:29:54.600 --> 01:29:59.039
shock of my life hit me there the elevator was
1600
01:29:59.079 --> 01:30:02.260
sitting there and it had like a um I had
1601
01:30:02.270 --> 01:30:05.840
like an old, kind of one of those old ropes,
1602
01:30:05.880 --> 01:30:07.659
like you'd see at a theater, one of the old theaters.
1603
01:30:07.720 --> 01:30:09.500
You'd be going in and they'd kind of direct you
1604
01:30:09.520 --> 01:30:11.739
in a queue line. It was over the front of
1605
01:30:11.760 --> 01:30:14.079
the door. And there was a sign that said it
1606
01:30:14.119 --> 01:30:17.869
was out of service. And I looked into the elevator
1607
01:30:18.210 --> 01:30:27.409
and it was empty. It was absolutely devoid of every button, picture, ribbon, everything.
1608
01:30:27.680 --> 01:30:31.539
It was just an empty elevator. And empty meaning no gym.
1609
01:30:33.350 --> 01:30:35.689
And I stood there for a minute just looking at it.
1610
01:30:36.390 --> 01:30:38.770
And I heard the noise, this noise behind me and
1611
01:30:38.800 --> 01:30:43.579
the snack bar. And I turned around and this gentleman
1612
01:30:43.619 --> 01:30:47.939
who I'd seen many times before was standing there. And
1613
01:30:47.979 --> 01:30:52.520
he informed me that Jimmy had passed away just a
1614
01:30:52.560 --> 01:30:56.979
week or two before. And the owners of the building
1615
01:30:57.020 --> 01:30:59.430
decided that they weren't going to, they were just going
1616
01:30:59.439 --> 01:31:01.159
to shut down the elevator and make everybody use the
1617
01:31:01.199 --> 01:31:04.079
stairs because they weren't going to. They weren't going to
1618
01:31:04.520 --> 01:31:07.800
continue running it. It was probably a safety hazard anyway,
1619
01:31:07.840 --> 01:31:15.199
but they saw enough of Jimmy that they continued his
1620
01:31:15.260 --> 01:31:24.239
job until he wasn't there anymore. So I remember turning
1621
01:31:24.720 --> 01:31:27.279
to the right and walking down to the stairwell, which
1622
01:31:27.319 --> 01:31:31.310
I'd never used. Walked up the stairs and went and
1623
01:31:31.350 --> 01:31:36.329
delivered my package and came back down and started thinking about,
1624
01:31:36.590 --> 01:31:38.989
you know, all the conversations and all the times I'd
1625
01:31:39.010 --> 01:31:42.750
had with Jimmy and all the things I didn't get
1626
01:31:42.770 --> 01:31:47.260
to talk to him about. Got to the bottom, stopped
1627
01:31:47.300 --> 01:31:49.340
at the elevator again and just kind of looked in,
1628
01:31:49.359 --> 01:31:57.739
was thinking about it and the guy behind me said,
1629
01:31:57.779 --> 01:32:01.250
you know, yeah, we miss him too. He was family.
1630
01:32:01.369 --> 01:32:04.689
He's a part of us, you know? And Started to
1631
01:32:04.710 --> 01:32:06.739
walk away, and I realized I still had that sandwich
1632
01:32:06.800 --> 01:32:13.600
in my hand. So I turned around and walked back
1633
01:32:13.680 --> 01:32:15.239
up to the bar, and I stuck my hand out,
1634
01:32:16.000 --> 01:32:20.630
and I said, hi, I'm Terry. And I took his hand,
1635
01:32:20.649 --> 01:32:22.789
you know, and shook it. And I remember he took
1636
01:32:22.829 --> 01:32:24.189
my hand in both of his hands and kind of
1637
01:32:24.210 --> 01:32:26.289
shook me back, and he said, I know. He said,
1638
01:32:26.329 --> 01:32:28.310
I know who you are. He goes, my name's Frank.
1639
01:32:30.310 --> 01:32:32.779
And I said, here. And I gave him a sense,
1640
01:32:32.880 --> 01:32:37.710
this is for you. And he said, thanks. And I
1641
01:32:37.770 --> 01:32:40.720
turned around to just walk off. And he stopped. And
1642
01:32:41.569 --> 01:32:43.100
he said, wait a minute. And he kind of reached
1643
01:32:43.140 --> 01:32:45.680
behind the counter. And he came up with a box.
1644
01:32:46.060 --> 01:32:48.880
And it was an old candy box. It was all
1645
01:32:48.960 --> 01:32:53.199
ripped open. And there were probably five or six rolls
1646
01:32:53.220 --> 01:32:57.159
of butterscotch Lifesavers in it. And he said, here, these
1647
01:32:57.199 --> 01:33:03.199
are for you. They're from Jimmy. I don't even remember
1648
01:33:03.239 --> 01:33:05.579
getting to my car. I don't know how I got there,
1649
01:33:05.760 --> 01:33:09.659
how long it took me. You know, I don't know.
1650
01:33:10.399 --> 01:33:14.560
I just remember kind of waking up, sitting in my car,
1651
01:33:17.380 --> 01:33:22.930
and just Brian thinking about it. You know, it really
1652
01:33:22.970 --> 01:33:25.229
hit me, which is really odd. I thought it was
1653
01:33:25.270 --> 01:33:28.069
odd at the time. I don't know. I didn't know
1654
01:33:28.090 --> 01:33:30.390
Jimmy's last name. I never asked him his last name.
1655
01:33:30.569 --> 01:33:33.590
Didn't know. I just knew it was Jimmy. That bothered me.
1656
01:33:33.829 --> 01:33:39.880
Still bothers me to a point. Drove back to work
1657
01:33:39.899 --> 01:33:44.060
at some point. Got there and one of my bosses,
1658
01:33:44.300 --> 01:33:49.189
I had two bosses, Jim and Jim. Instant individuals. I
1659
01:33:49.199 --> 01:33:52.609
could tell all kinds of stories just about them. But
1660
01:33:53.970 --> 01:33:57.329
one of the Jims was the only one still there.
1661
01:33:57.630 --> 01:34:00.680
And I walked into the place and just kind of
1662
01:34:01.609 --> 01:34:05.710
wandering around the building, you know, through the hallway and
1663
01:34:05.909 --> 01:34:10.250
just trying to, I don't know, just trying to come
1664
01:34:10.270 --> 01:34:14.270
to terms with everything that had happened. And Jim was
1665
01:34:14.329 --> 01:34:16.890
sitting in his office with the door open. And as
1666
01:34:16.909 --> 01:34:21.260
I went by, he yelled, hey, Harry, come here. Okay.
1667
01:34:21.340 --> 01:34:24.760
And I walked in, you know, and I'm standing there
1668
01:34:24.800 --> 01:34:27.800
and he said, did you get all the letters and everything?
1669
01:34:27.840 --> 01:34:31.470
I said, yeah, yeah, everything's fine. And he At that point,
1670
01:34:31.510 --> 01:34:34.550
he noticed I was still carrying this box of Lifesavers.
1671
01:34:35.350 --> 01:34:38.949
He said, you must have seen Jimmy. And he kind
1672
01:34:38.989 --> 01:34:41.029
of reached out his hand if he wanted one. So I,
1673
01:34:41.029 --> 01:34:45.590
you know, peeled one off and gave it to him
1674
01:34:45.630 --> 01:34:49.550
and plopped down the seat next to him. And he
1675
01:34:49.590 --> 01:34:52.029
was asking me some questions about Jimmy, about, did he
1676
01:34:52.069 --> 01:34:53.810
show you this picture? Did he show you that picture?
1677
01:34:53.829 --> 01:34:55.970
I said, yeah. He goes, yeah, you know, we were
1678
01:34:56.010 --> 01:34:58.069
talking about, he was talking about what a good guy
1679
01:34:58.090 --> 01:35:00.869
he is. And that he had known him for years
1680
01:35:00.930 --> 01:35:06.989
down there. And then I told Jim what happened. And
1681
01:35:07.020 --> 01:35:14.460
we were both, you know, we were both upset. And,
1682
01:35:14.479 --> 01:35:17.720
I don't know, we just talked a little bit about
1683
01:35:17.779 --> 01:35:19.920
some of the things Jimmy had shown us and everything.
1684
01:35:20.039 --> 01:35:22.079
And I even asked him if he knew what Jimmy's
1685
01:35:22.100 --> 01:35:24.039
last name was. And he said he didn't. But he'd
1686
01:35:24.060 --> 01:35:28.970
known him for years. He was such a good guy. So,
1687
01:35:30.920 --> 01:35:34.560
I got ready to go. I reached down and I
1688
01:35:34.600 --> 01:35:37.800
left one of the rolls of lightsabers on his desk.
1689
01:35:39.159 --> 01:35:41.800
And I started to walk out and he started to
1690
01:35:42.020 --> 01:35:48.670
unwind the old, you know, string around it. I remember
1691
01:35:48.710 --> 01:35:51.550
when I got out to the door, he goes, Gary?
1692
01:35:53.210 --> 01:35:59.060
Turned around and said, yeah. He goes, be safe. Never
1693
01:35:59.100 --> 01:36:02.060
heard him say those words before. never heard him again.
1694
01:36:02.979 --> 01:36:05.640
And he just kind of giggled, kind of laughed and
1695
01:36:05.720 --> 01:36:08.060
popped up, popped one of those lifesavers in his mouth
1696
01:36:08.159 --> 01:36:10.920
and went back to what he was doing with a
1697
01:36:10.939 --> 01:36:18.439
big smile on his face. Yeah. Um, Jimmy was a
1698
01:36:18.460 --> 01:36:23.489
special guy. He really was, um, a long time. For
1699
01:36:25.449 --> 01:36:28.229
three times that I went down, I'd still do the
1700
01:36:28.250 --> 01:36:32.369
sandwich ritual. And, uh, buy a sandwich and bring it
1701
01:36:32.390 --> 01:36:38.270
down to Frank. Um, the third time, I think maybe third,
1702
01:36:38.289 --> 01:36:42.229
maybe fourth time I had done it. Frank told me,
1703
01:36:42.250 --> 01:36:45.409
he said, you know, I really appreciate the gesture, but
1704
01:36:46.170 --> 01:36:51.659
I'm not really a beef and egg guy. I don't really,
1705
01:36:51.699 --> 01:36:54.619
don't really care that much. Uh, he said he's more
1706
01:36:54.680 --> 01:36:57.939
ham and cheese, dude. So after that, I brought him
1707
01:36:57.960 --> 01:37:01.050
ham and cheese when I came down there. Um, He
1708
01:37:01.109 --> 01:37:05.069
told me the story. He said, you know, the first
1709
01:37:05.130 --> 01:37:09.449
time you gave me that sandwich when I left, he
1710
01:37:09.489 --> 01:37:12.350
said he opened it up. You know, they're wrapped in cellophane.
1711
01:37:12.399 --> 01:37:15.180
He pulled the cellophane off and he sat there on
1712
01:37:15.199 --> 01:37:16.720
the counter and kind of looked at it and he
1713
01:37:16.760 --> 01:37:19.039
said he just couldn't eat it. He said he just,
1714
01:37:20.779 --> 01:37:22.779
he knew it wasn't for him, that it was for Jimmy.
1715
01:37:23.020 --> 01:37:25.579
It was Jimmy's sandwich and he just didn't feel right
1716
01:37:26.600 --> 01:37:29.500
eating it. So, He said he wrapped it back up
1717
01:37:29.640 --> 01:37:32.239
really carefully in the cellophane, put it back in the
1718
01:37:32.260 --> 01:37:35.550
brown paper bag, rolled it back up, and just set
1719
01:37:35.590 --> 01:37:40.329
it down behind the counter. Well, Frank opened and closed
1720
01:37:40.369 --> 01:37:44.609
that building in the morning and at night. He was
1721
01:37:44.630 --> 01:37:48.850
like the first guy in, last guy out. All office buildings,
1722
01:37:48.890 --> 01:37:51.569
nobody lived there. It was just, you know, he would
1723
01:37:51.630 --> 01:37:55.050
open it up, he'd get a snack bar going and everything,
1724
01:37:55.069 --> 01:37:57.859
and then people would start showing up. Well, as he
1725
01:37:57.939 --> 01:38:01.939
left that first night, he said he was just getting
1726
01:38:01.979 --> 01:38:08.399
to leave. And he's like, you know, I'm going to
1727
01:38:08.840 --> 01:38:11.439
put that sandwich in the elevator. And he said he
1728
01:38:11.460 --> 01:38:13.399
would be on the counter and got the bag and
1729
01:38:13.420 --> 01:38:18.119
just set it on the bench inside the elevator. And
1730
01:38:18.140 --> 01:38:22.460
he laughed a little bit and he went home. So
1731
01:38:22.479 --> 01:38:24.319
he got back the next morning. He's the first guy in.
1732
01:38:24.920 --> 01:38:28.550
No cleaning crews, anything like that. So he got in,
1733
01:38:28.569 --> 01:38:31.569
he started everything. up, got about his business. And he
1734
01:38:31.609 --> 01:38:35.289
said maybe an hour or so into it. Maybe two
1735
01:38:35.329 --> 01:38:38.810
hours in. After dinner, he remembered that he put that
1736
01:38:38.829 --> 01:38:40.590
sandwich in there. He thought, you know, I better get
1737
01:38:40.609 --> 01:38:43.970
that out of there before it spoils or rats get
1738
01:38:44.010 --> 01:38:48.100
into it or whatever. So he walked around the counter,
1739
01:38:48.539 --> 01:38:51.520
went to the elevator, reached in, And there was no
1740
01:38:51.579 --> 01:38:55.939
bag to be found. Nothing. He said he looked everywhere.
1741
01:38:56.010 --> 01:38:58.649
He looked in the garbage cans. He looked everywhere in
1742
01:38:58.670 --> 01:39:03.409
the place. The bag was gone. The next two times
1743
01:39:03.489 --> 01:39:05.869
I brought him the sandwiches, he said he did the
1744
01:39:05.930 --> 01:39:09.350
exact same thing with the exact same result every time.
1745
01:39:10.750 --> 01:39:12.050
And when he was telling me about it, we both
1746
01:39:12.250 --> 01:39:14.729
kind of started laughing about it. And I said something about, well,
1747
01:39:14.750 --> 01:39:16.890
maybe I ought to continue to bring beef and eggs
1748
01:39:16.949 --> 01:39:20.289
down because I didn't want to offend Jimmy. Maybe he
1749
01:39:20.310 --> 01:39:26.069
was still enjoying, you know, the meal. And I did
1750
01:39:26.090 --> 01:39:29.489
that one last time after that. And soon after that,
1751
01:39:30.250 --> 01:39:34.909
I left. I left the business. The two Jims broke
1752
01:39:34.949 --> 01:39:41.130
up their business and went their separate ways, unfortunately. And
1753
01:39:41.170 --> 01:39:43.609
that was it. I never went back. I never found
1754
01:39:43.689 --> 01:39:49.300
out if, you know, Jimmy accepted my final offer. in
1755
01:39:49.319 --> 01:39:54.619
the elevator, but I think he did. In my mind,
1756
01:39:54.819 --> 01:39:55.100
he did.
1757
01:39:55.300 --> 01:39:55.600
He did.
1758
01:39:55.619 --> 01:39:56.680
Yeah.
1759
01:39:56.979 --> 01:39:57.229
That's it.
1760
01:39:57.239 --> 01:39:57.760
I agree.
1761
01:39:58.000 --> 01:40:01.300
And I like to think that he was enjoying that
1762
01:40:01.380 --> 01:40:05.000
beef and egg sandwich with a dill pickle in the afterlife. Now,
1763
01:40:05.319 --> 01:40:07.640
I do have one question, and you may not know
1764
01:40:07.659 --> 01:40:10.739
the answer to this, but what happened to all the
1765
01:40:10.779 --> 01:40:14.439
things that Jimmy had decorated the elevator with, all that
1766
01:40:14.520 --> 01:40:17.020
in there, all those photos and things? Do you know
1767
01:40:17.060 --> 01:40:18.010
what ever became of that?
1768
01:40:22.329 --> 01:40:24.590
I have no idea. And that is like one of
1769
01:40:24.609 --> 01:40:27.529
the biggest regrets in my life. I really, really, if
1770
01:40:27.630 --> 01:40:29.600
I could, if I had a time machine, one of
1771
01:40:29.640 --> 01:40:31.159
the things I would do is to go back and
1772
01:40:31.220 --> 01:40:33.939
ask that, you know, find the owners or ask Frank,
1773
01:40:33.960 --> 01:40:35.380
you know, what happened to all that stuff?
1774
01:40:35.399 --> 01:40:36.760
You hope that they didn't do something.
1775
01:40:36.779 --> 01:40:39.420
Jimmy was single. He wasn't. Yeah.
1776
01:40:39.520 --> 01:40:41.079
Take it down and throw it in the garden.
1777
01:40:41.100 --> 01:40:41.619
Yeah.
1778
01:40:41.680 --> 01:40:45.770
I mean, that was literally Jimmy's life plastered on those walls.
1779
01:40:45.829 --> 01:40:51.119
Yeah. Yeah. I, I would, I would, I can't tell
1780
01:40:51.159 --> 01:40:54.529
you what I'd give for just one of those items that,
1781
01:40:54.750 --> 01:40:57.590
you know, used to show me just to have that.
1782
01:40:58.010 --> 01:40:59.609
To be able to just hold it in my hands.
1783
01:41:01.010 --> 01:41:01.210
Yeah.
1784
01:41:01.649 --> 01:41:06.909
Oh, yeah, absolutely. That would have been fantastic. But honestly,
1785
01:41:06.949 --> 01:41:09.350
just one thing. Just one thing.
1786
01:41:10.239 --> 01:41:10.479
Yeah.
1787
01:41:10.640 --> 01:41:12.979
Probably wouldn't have been the picture of Gladys, but maybe.
1788
01:41:13.659 --> 01:41:14.239
But you never know.
1789
01:41:14.279 --> 01:41:16.300
I don't know. That would have been strange if it was.
1790
01:41:16.399 --> 01:41:20.229
The photo of Gladys because he had that experience. Now,
1791
01:41:20.270 --> 01:41:23.390
I'm curious, does that building still stand in Cincinnati? You
1792
01:41:23.430 --> 01:41:25.470
said it was like one of those old Art Deco
1793
01:41:25.710 --> 01:41:27.050
buildings with a marble hallway.
1794
01:41:27.149 --> 01:41:32.640
I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. I've
1795
01:41:32.720 --> 01:41:39.840
not been downtown in many years. There's a lot of
1796
01:41:39.880 --> 01:41:42.239
construction in the area. I would not be surprised if
1797
01:41:42.319 --> 01:41:44.039
that's gone. I need to go down and look. That's
1798
01:41:44.079 --> 01:41:46.439
one of the things I keep telling myself. If it
1799
01:41:46.460 --> 01:41:49.000
was a parking garage or an apartment.
1800
01:41:48.579 --> 01:41:51.680
Building or Or some cookie cutter BS that they like
1801
01:41:51.699 --> 01:41:54.819
to tear those old beautiful places down and replace them with.
1802
01:41:55.430 --> 01:41:57.689
That's such a great story. I mean, it's creepy.
1803
01:41:57.989 --> 01:41:58.810
Yeah.
1804
01:41:59.289 --> 01:42:02.029
It's heartwarming. You hit all the bases on that one,
1805
01:42:02.050 --> 01:42:02.470
my friend.
1806
01:42:04.149 --> 01:42:08.210
Well, thank you. You know, it's, I don't know. It's
1807
01:42:08.270 --> 01:42:14.479
Jimmy's story, not mine. Yeah. I hope to see him
1808
01:42:14.520 --> 01:42:19.310
again someday. I hope to meet up with him again. Definitely.
1809
01:42:19.729 --> 01:42:20.630
That'll be one of those.
1810
01:42:20.649 --> 01:42:22.829
I wish I would have gotten it.
1811
01:42:23.569 --> 01:42:25.710
I think Jimmy will be waiting there on the other
1812
01:42:25.750 --> 01:42:27.930
side for you, but maybe the turtle man too with
1813
01:42:27.970 --> 01:42:29.390
his missing fingers.
1814
01:42:29.430 --> 01:42:33.489
I hope so.
1815
01:42:33.909 --> 01:42:35.520
That story, everybody.
1816
01:42:35.920 --> 01:42:37.840
Yeah.
1817
01:42:38.979 --> 01:42:42.220
Everybody that's listened to that just loves my narration of it.
1818
01:42:42.239 --> 01:42:45.539
And then they laughed, they cried, they were scared. It just,
1819
01:42:45.579 --> 01:42:49.069
it really, hits just a whole range of emotions there.
1820
01:42:49.090 --> 01:42:51.550
It's such a wonderful story. And you've got another one
1821
01:42:51.569 --> 01:42:54.260
that's even similar to that. I won't have you go
1822
01:42:54.310 --> 01:42:57.180
into the full thing here. We're running out of time
1823
01:42:57.300 --> 01:42:59.960
for tonight, but I'll have to have you back sometime,
1824
01:42:59.979 --> 01:43:01.880
especially after we get our book ready to come out.
1825
01:43:02.279 --> 01:43:04.920
But The Smoking Ghost in the Delta 88, that one,
1826
01:43:05.359 --> 01:43:08.600
I've got that up on 13 past midnight too. And
1827
01:43:09.340 --> 01:43:12.079
it's not as poignant and as touching or as scary
1828
01:43:12.140 --> 01:43:15.500
as the Jimmy story, but that's a pretty creepy story too.
1829
01:43:16.500 --> 01:43:19.010
I had an encounter that I talked about on Shannon
1830
01:43:19.020 --> 01:43:22.430
LeGros' Halloween show coming up about where I saw just
1831
01:43:22.510 --> 01:43:25.949
a cigarette going down the road one Halloween night. But
1832
01:43:25.989 --> 01:43:30.550
this was a ghost in a car smoking. And that's
1833
01:43:30.609 --> 01:43:32.680
a frightening story too. All true.
1834
01:43:34.220 --> 01:43:40.539
Yep. We were talking about, you were mentioning the sprite
1835
01:43:40.579 --> 01:43:47.159
in the ditch too. There's one story I'm still anxiously
1836
01:43:47.180 --> 01:43:51.100
will hope that you'll narrate and praying these days you'll
1837
01:43:51.119 --> 01:43:55.420
get to it um of my father and i um
1838
01:43:56.899 --> 01:43:59.710
and with an encounter we had um with a a
1839
01:44:00.350 --> 01:44:02.310
with a creature i i guess you would call you
1840
01:44:02.949 --> 01:44:09.430
i would call him the fey um that um that
1841
01:44:09.470 --> 01:44:15.289
we both had um on separate occasions um Yeah, I
1842
01:44:15.310 --> 01:44:17.850
won't go into that story because I'm really hoping one
1843
01:44:17.869 --> 01:44:19.210
of these days that we get around.
1844
01:44:19.229 --> 01:44:21.390
I will narrate it. I apologize.
1845
01:44:21.569 --> 01:44:24.090
You did a fantastic job.
1846
01:44:24.149 --> 01:44:24.859
To get to it.
1847
01:44:24.850 --> 01:44:25.609
Oh, you're fine.
1848
01:44:25.760 --> 01:44:28.979
I want to narrate everything you've sent me and some
1849
01:44:29.020 --> 01:44:31.800
you haven't sent me yet. I'll narrate those two as
1850
01:44:31.819 --> 01:44:34.460
soon as I get them. But it's just, it's the
1851
01:44:34.539 --> 01:44:37.399
story and the way that you tell it. Now, is
1852
01:44:37.420 --> 01:44:39.119
that the one where you guys are traveling in the
1853
01:44:39.260 --> 01:44:42.560
RV and you're picking cactus spines out of your rear end?
1854
01:44:43.039 --> 01:44:49.090
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a long one.
1855
01:44:49.590 --> 01:44:51.710
And you got to play some of that for your
1856
01:44:51.770 --> 01:44:53.890
sister before she passed away. And I wish I could
1857
01:44:53.909 --> 01:44:56.109
have had the whole thing done, but I was in
1858
01:44:56.149 --> 01:45:00.789
a real state of flux in a not good situation
1859
01:45:00.829 --> 01:45:02.569
in Oregon. And I was getting ready to get out
1860
01:45:02.590 --> 01:45:07.380
of there and get to out of the frying pan
1861
01:45:07.439 --> 01:45:09.920
into the fire in New Mexico. But now that I'm
1862
01:45:09.960 --> 01:45:12.600
here in new England and things have settled down and
1863
01:45:12.619 --> 01:45:14.479
I have you know, a place where I can be
1864
01:45:14.560 --> 01:45:19.010
creative and create an atmosphere conducive to that. I want
1865
01:45:19.029 --> 01:45:22.590
to narrate all those. And if you'd like, we can
1866
01:45:22.609 --> 01:45:24.789
put those in the book that we're working on and
1867
01:45:24.810 --> 01:45:26.970
then I'll make an audio book out of it.
1868
01:45:27.819 --> 01:45:34.380
There you go. That'd be good. You know, I think
1869
01:45:35.279 --> 01:45:39.010
what really brings them to life is your narration. What
1870
01:45:39.060 --> 01:45:40.970
else in the world that I would rather have?
1871
01:45:41.939 --> 01:45:50.770
Wow. I appreciate that. You even told my wife that
1872
01:45:50.810 --> 01:45:52.970
you considered me a brother and would take a bullet
1873
01:45:53.069 --> 01:45:57.510
for me, figuratively and literally. And I appreciate that, brother.
1874
01:45:57.750 --> 01:45:58.550
You're something else.
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I believe I would. I really do. You're a good man, Steve.
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You've meant a lot to me over the last few years.
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Before I heard you.
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Telling your stories and making a connection with you. I
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didn't really talk about my experiences and just everything. I
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didn't really tell people about that kind of stuff. The
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01:46:26.770 --> 01:46:31.210
only person I ever talked to about the paranormal things
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in my life was with my father. And he's been
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gone since 98, 97, 98. My condolences on your life.
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You tell people something, you tell people things like that,
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and they look at you like you've got three heads.
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You're crazy. You really are the person that brought that
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out in me and has enabled me to be able
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to talk about the experiences I've had. That means a
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lot to me.
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You have such a loquacious style and just the attention
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to detail. I've recounted some of my experiences. I've had
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01:47:07.939 --> 01:47:10.500
people say, you've got to be making this up because
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nobody can remember that much detail. But like you, it's
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burned into my brain. I remember every single little thing
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that I've been able to recall while recounting these experiences.
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That's how much impact it had on me and on
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my life. I mean, it's like a snapshot, literally. And
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I can look at that mental image and pick little
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details out. And it's just, that's the way it was.
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Believe it or not, that's my experiences. I know what
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I saw. I know what I felt. I know what
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I experienced. And you're the same way.
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Yeah. Absolutely. Yep.
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Yep.
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I am. You and I are very similar in a
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lot of ways.
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Same age.
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A lot of the same likes. Yeah. Kindred spirit. I
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01:47:55.939 --> 01:47:56.939
feel like you're a kindred spirit.
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Definitely kindred spirit or brothers from another mother or something
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like that. We definitely have a connection there. And just
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some of the experiences you shared. We had a graveyard
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that we played into. I didn't get to talk about that.
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It was from the 1800s. It was abandoned. And my grandfather,
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01:48:14.449 --> 01:48:17.050
when he sold that property that it was on, he
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told the person, you know, you own this property, but
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nobody owns the graveyard. So that just gave all of
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us kids free reign. And we built a clubhouse in
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the edge of the graveyard. We didn't build it over
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any graves or anything. But other kids wouldn't mess with us.
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They're like, that's those crazy kids that have a clubhouse
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in the graveyard. Don't mess with them. So we left
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our own devices on. had a two-story clubhouse in there
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with multiple rooms and little ante rooms and things off
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of it. It was, I wonder if that's still there.
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I've never been back since I moved away from there,
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but I don't see any of that still there, but
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there were old, old gravestones in there. And then some
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of them you couldn't even read. They'd been there so long,
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but amazing place. What a great place to grow up
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and to have places like that, you know, the Creek
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and the woods and, And all that to where you
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could have these fantastic outdoor adventures. My only sibling, an
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older brother, he was 17 years older than me. So
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I was basically raised an only. By the time I
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was cognizant, he'd moved out and married and gone. I
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became an uncle when I was four. So I had
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all those woods. I just, I made my own fun
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most of the time. And that's, I think, where I
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get my imagination and my creativity was because I wasn't
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around kids until I started kindergarten. And then I hated
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every second of it. I like mine still to this day,
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with the exception of my wife. I prefer my own
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company to that of others. Present company excluded, too. If
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you ever make it to Ohio, if you ever make
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it to New England, we need to at least have
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a coffee together.
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Oh, yeah. I'm going to have to make a trip
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up there. I've got family up there. I don't know
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if they're still around. Most of them, to be honest
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with you, they're probably not. But I need to make
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the trip up there. I've got, I've got, um, had
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fans up there. Um, but yeah, similar here too. My, uh,
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my brother was 14 years older than I was and
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my sister was seven. So I was kind of raised
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an only child too.
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Um, yeah. And it does something to you. It spoils you.
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Exactly. As far as being creative. You need to take
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Nicole on a trip.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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There's some places in Ohio.
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You need to take Nicole down there and trip sometime
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and check this out.
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There was places that as a child, we went through Ohio.
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My parents were antique dealers. And we'd go on buying
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trips sometimes, Ohio, go to estate sales and things like that.
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I have wonderful memories of rural Ohio and suburban Ohio.
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And I don't know if you ever listened to The
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01:50:56.369 --> 01:51:00.479
Belief Hole. But they're from somewhere in Ohio. And they've
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moved into a new studio in an old haunted house
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or something like that. I love those guys. And maybe
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we can all meet up sometime and have a live
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stream or a storytelling session or something.
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Oh, that'd be awesome. I know you turned me on
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to them. I like them a lot. I listened to
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that train episode not too long ago. And that was
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really good. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I live probably 20 minutes away from Waynesville. which is
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like they consider the most haunted town in Ohio. It's,
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it's a fun place. Um, Halloween, they always do a
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ghost walk on the night and, uh, and up to it. Um,
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they'll have a couple of weeks where we can go
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on ghost walks and things like that. It's, it's got
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a lot of history.
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I love it.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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It's a boring place. Yeah.
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The, the, the big cities, the, of course, probably Rust
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Belt now, but back in the day, you know, Dayton, uh,
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There was a lot of industry and things there, and
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I had cousins that left Tennessee and moved up there.
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Oh, yeah.
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But I wouldn't know them if I passed them on
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the street, haven't seen them since the 80s. But I
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01:52:08.949 --> 01:52:11.090
didn't care for the city too much. I've had some
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good times in Cincinnati, but I'd have to make a
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trip up there. I was looking here. There's a lot
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01:52:17.069 --> 01:52:19.720
of haunted locations up there right in Cincinnati, and I'm
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01:52:19.770 --> 01:52:23.500
sure all throughout Ohio, but definitely be a great place
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to do a road trip someday.
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Yeah, we've talked. You come this way, I'll definitely take
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01:52:29.800 --> 01:52:32.359
you out on the tour of stuff in the area.
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When I lived in Oregon, you had sent me a
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care package one time from Ohio. There was some Skyline
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01:52:39.789 --> 01:52:44.149
Chili in there. Tried to send some crystals, but that
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01:52:44.189 --> 01:52:51.470
didn't work out too well. I did enjoy the other
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stuff you sent. Terry, we're just about out of time here.
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I want to thank you for joining me on this
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episode of Everything Out There. We'll have to have you
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back again sometime to tell some more stories, and I'll
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keep everyone abreast of the book that we're working on.
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We'll talk more about that off the air. Again, I
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hope you have a safe and happy Halloween, and thank
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you for taking the time out of your day to
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join me here on this episode of Everything Out There.
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People can find you on YouTube. It's the at symbol,
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downtown Terry Brown. That's your YouTube channel, Tales of the
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01:53:27.340 --> 01:53:30.079
Sonic Voyage. And I believe I'm the one that gave
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01:53:30.119 --> 01:53:32.779
you that, Sober K. I gave you that nickname. I
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01:53:32.819 --> 01:53:34.979
called you that one time, and it kind of stuck.
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You are.
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Yep.
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It had been used a few times in the past,
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but it didn't in many, many years. Yeah, but I
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got to point it to you.
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I appreciate that. Again, have a good night, Terry. Have
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a safe and happy Halloween.
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I'm really looking forward to working on the book.
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Indeed. We'll talk to you again soon. I'm Steve Stockton,
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and I'll see you a little farther on down the trail.
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Have a good night.
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Thank you.